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If you want to be a part of this extravaganza, I'm going to sum up everything that's going on here around the country and the issues we're paying the most attention to that we believe have the most merit as of this time.
And credit to everybody.
I'm not critical of anybody, anybody's independent effort.
Those that have worked hard to expose things that I don't think any of us ever thought we'd be seeing in our lifetime.
You know, when you look at, you know, there's 250 separate ongoing investigations of voter fraud in Georgia alone.
I mean, it blows my mind.
And you know, if you watched over the the weekend fight for Trump, I mean was the loudest chant they had.
Listen to this over the weekend when the president was in Baldasto.
We have that standing by somewhere.
Um I'm watching this and I'm listening again to the governor down there.
Oh, yeah, we need signature verification, et cetera, et cetera.
I'm like, well, why aren't you why don't you bring the legislature back in session?
Because there's a lot of problems down in Georgia beyond the 250.
I mean, this consent agreement that after the lawsuit, I mean, understand how much thought was put into this by the Democrats in Georgia.
And you know, this this goes back to early this year.
The Georgia Democratic Party, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committees, all lining in a lawsuit, you know, and then this consent agreement with the with the Secretary of State that literally allows two separate signature verification systems.
Well, that would be an equal protection provision violation of our constitution.
I think a strong constitutional argument can be made on it.
And that they seemingly are so tone-deaf and more interested in just battling Donald Trump as establishment figures, meaning Kemp, the Secretary of State, the Lieutenant Governor, that they're not they can't see the forests through the trees, and that being an obligation to ensure number one that yes, they make sure that everything, anything that was done inappropriately be discovered.
And then it needs to be fixed heading into the January 5th election.
Um, and the only way to make that happen would be through a special session, which the governor says he has no power to make any of these changes.
Well, you've got senators now petitioning to make that happen.
You know, this the deal that was made based on that lawsuit had huge dramatic impacts on what what we've watched witnessed down in Georgia.
I mean, how do we get thousands of ballots weeks after the election showing up in Georgia?
Oh, sorry, we found thousands more.
How does this keep happening, but only in certain states, the ones that matter?
You know, then you have the statistical anomalies that yeah, Joe Biden underperforms Obama and Hillary Clinton in terms of minority voters and percentages, uh, except for, oh, let's see, Georgia and Philadelphia and Detroit and Milwaukee and Nevada.
I'm like, oh, that's an accident.
Oh, how convenient for Joe.
I didn't know it was that popular that he got 15 million more votes than Barack Obama and 15 million more than Hillary.
So, but the this literally has, if you are a mail-in voter in Georgia, well, they changed it so that the state database with your signature on it, that they don't verify it like they do with with people that vote in person.
If you vote in person in Georgia, you gotta show a voter ID, number one.
Number two, your signature verification goes through the signature that you have on file with the state of Georgia.
Now, why they would then change that standard for mail-in ballots because of a lawsuit by Democrats is inexplicable.
It should be fixed.
It can be fixed.
There's no desire to fix it.
This is what weak Republicans do.
What Rhino Republicans do.
There's your governor.
And that would be easily resolved.
It's not that hard.
Then they also agreed to these ballot drop boxes.
We would nobody has any idea.
They didn't even break down in Georgia.
Well, how many votes were put in these ballot drop boxes?
And then the signature verification then became, well, if you vote in by mail, there's no voter ID requirement.
There's you don't have your signature verified by the state database that has your signature in it.
They lowered that standard, but only for mailing voters.
Where as long as the application signature for the ballot and the ballot signature match, that was enough.
Why would they do that?
Now, why would they put all these drop boxes all around the city?
Who's monitoring it?
Now you're talking about chain of custody issues that have come into play.
Um so we're following that case, obviously very closely down there.
And it's it's it just seems like the people of Georgia, there are people that say, well, why am I voting again?
Well, you can't say that down there.
I'd like to give you the option, but the the stakes are so high and they're so radical.
Raphael Warnock and John Ossoff are so extreme that the whole country is depending on Georgia to get out and vote for Purdue and Loffler.
And I don't care if you like them or not at this point, just to stop this radicalism and stop packing the courts and ending the legislative filibuster in DC statehood and uh the beginning of a process, probably to even eliminate the Electoral College.
Um now, so we're watching Georgia.
We're watching, I've I've been most interested in the Supreme Court case in Pennsylvania.
Why?
Because the state legislature there in the lead up to this election, you know, allow for mail-in ballots, which now we know the rejection rate in 2016 was literally 27 times higher than it with far fewer mail-in ballots than it is now.
Well, the only problem is the state constitution is very clear that they don't allow for for mail-in ballots in the state of Pennsylvania.
It appears, at least we're getting signals from Justice Alito, the Supreme Court, that they're going to weigh in on this decision and to extend the mail-in ballot deadline and everything else.
They've asked for briefs to be followed.
But if the Constitution of Pennsylvania, which explicitly says that you can't have mail-in balloting, and then they go ahead and they they decide to legislate that you can anyway.
Well, that would then be unconstitutional by definition.
We're following that case.
The Wisconsin case is fascinating because they don't allow state law prohibits, explicitly prohibits early voting.
Yet people just decided to bypass the law and in the process, literally not even follow the requirements to get an absentee ballot for people, which would require a signature and an ID and everything else in between.
And there's even a precedent lawsuit with this with the Wisconsin Supreme Court on that case.
Then you got the case in Nevada, which we went into a lot of detail last week, about 130,000 uh ballots that Republicans have been questioning.
Uh the latest out of Arizona was we have a couple of things happening there.
Later when we get off the air today, uh you've got a couple of dozen members uh and members elect of the Arizona legislature, joint statement they're making at the state capitol about decertifying the results.
Uh according to news that just broke out in in Arizona as well, Dr. Kelly Ward, chairman Of the Arizona Republican Party, she's taken her battle to reverse the certified results.
And she filed a notice of appeal with the state's highest Supreme Court late Friday.
The Supreme Court confirmed receipt of the case today, said it would decide the matter without oral argument.
So I don't know how to interpret that, whether you can interpret anything about that.
Um, so those are the cases that we're paying the most attention to.
But uh, you know, there's other big broader issues that are in play here.
And a lot of this is gonna have to do with well, what kind of Republican party do you want moving forward?
And this is now where the rubber's gonna hit the road for the Republicans.
Donald Trump gave Republicans finally a backbone.
Donald Trump showed them that if they fight for people, this tw nearly 20% increase in his vote totals, nearly 20% is unprecedented.
Remember, uh Obama lost millions of voters from tw 2008 to 2012.
You know, so that there's something that's gone on here.
Now, are people voting for Trump the Republican?
No, they're not actually.
They're voting for Trump the fighter, Trump the disruptor, Trump the iconoclast, Trump the the guy that fought to keep his word, and the guy that's always under fire.
Why is that?
Well, you know, what why did more votes for a Republican Party with minorities since 1960, leading into the 64 Civil Rights Act and the 65 voting rights act?
What happened here?
Why the guy that said build that wall and built it got more Hispanic Americans voting for him than any Republican in the modern era?
Why?
And the answer couldn't be more clear.
Is because what did the president run on?
America first, secure borders, lower taxes, less bureaucracy, originalist justices, energy independence, freer, fairer trade deals by securing tr better trade deals.
That helps our manufacturers, our farmers, that helps working class Americans.
That's why he was able to set record low unemployment for every demographic in the country.
Securing our borders, that's that's that's less competition for jobs in America.
That means better wages, better standard of living for every American, especially those Americans that have been left behind.
President also, you know, if Republicans really want to win over states that are not in play for them now, and they really want to be the party of working class Americans, which is the only direction I see available to them.
Allow the Democrats to be the party of coastal elitism, and if that means Rhino Republicans, so so be it.
I don't have anything in common with those people anyway.
I've never liked those people.
But working men and women that have their jobs protected, that have their borders protected, that you know, understand that you know we're not gonna go down the socialism hell hole with false promises and and a loss of freedom in the process.
Americans want to be left the hell alone by government.
Americans that just want opportunity in a ladder.
Well, that now begins to expand out because the economic policies of the president are proven winners, especially for those Americans that have been left behind, uh, especially by blue state governors and mayors that have governed their states into the ground.
Well, there's a reason he was able to set record low unemployment for all these demographics.
One, securing the borders, less competition for job, two America first, three, you know, the push for energy independence, the bringing back manufacturing through free and fair trade.
You know, these are policies directly impacting the lives of Americans.
And that is the that would be the bold Republican party.
Not what not you don't want a watered-down version of what the Democrats, their socialism that they're offering.
What did I say?
Socialism, it's history of failure.
I don't care what name it's under, I don't care when it's been tried, how it's been tried, whatever variation or manifestation it's taken on.
I don't care if it's the you know, Mao Revolution or the Bolshevik Revolution or the former Soviet Union in Hungary, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, uh, East Germany.
I don't care if it's the Castro brothers, I don't care if it's Venezuela.
It's never gonna work, no matter and but the promises are all the same.
We'll steal from this group of people, give it to this group of people, and we're gonna promise you everything's free.
And all those promises never get fulfilled.
There's more poverty, more misery, and then it's just a matter of the degree to which you've given up your freedom in the process.
That's the end result of it.
It happens every time, without exception.
It'll happen here.
Can't happen here.
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How loud that is.
Now, this is where weak Republicanism fails spectacularly.
They are out of touch and have been out of touch with we conservatives forever.
We have been looked down upon by them.
We are mocked by them.
We're hated by them.
You know, there's an article I'll get into it later.
Matthew McConahate.
Yeah, yeah, liberal Hollywood really is just condescending jackasses to half the country.
It's not Republicanism.
The reason Republicans won races is because Donald Trump fought.
The reason Trump got nearly 20% more vote is because he fought and delivered.
Maybe it's not quite the sophisticated style of your average idiot Republican, but it doesn't, it's not Republicanism.
It's about conservatism, it's about liberty, it's about freedom, it's about the Constitution.
It is way more fundamental.
And Americans, you know what?
They may not agree, but they respect you if you fight.
And if the Republican Party wants a future, you know, and they they're gonna have to learn the lessons of Donald Trump.
He gave them a spine, he gave them a backbone, and he forged a path.
And the path is is stop with the talk and get the job done.
You know, how many times do you hear about we're gonna have tax cuts, we're gonna have this reform and that reform.
How much did Trump have to do on his own?
You know, getting rid of regulation after regulation, fighting for the tax cuts, fighting for the wall money.
You know, could they wouldn't get to give it to him one way, found another way to get the money for the wall.
Energy independent for the first time in 75 years.
How many Republicans ran on that?
Here's the list of judges.
I'm gonna pick from this list.
Get that done too.
Check.
We're gonna protect American jobs.
How?
Well, one, secure the border.
Two, we're gonna negotiate free and fair trade, which means uh you're not gonna cut our farmers and our manufacturers out of your markets with massive tariffs and not pay a price for it.
Did we end up with some type of uh trade war?
No.
No.
Protectionism, no.
We ended up with better deals.
That's called negotiating for the on behalf of the American people.
You know, all the evidence you need to know how Republicanism fails.
It's you know, just look at Republican show votes in the House on repealing replacing Obamacare.
65 votes in the Senate 2015, straight repeal.
When it matters in 2017, seven of the Senate Republicans go vote exactly the opposite of what the way they voted just two years prior.
And it's like, I don't think half these idiots get it.
I really don't.
And I think they just, you know, oh, I hope the controversy goes away.
This is painful.
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This just breaking, by the way.
Senator Ted Cruz announcing that if this case goes before the U.S. Supreme Court out of Pennsylvania, that he would argue that case.
By the way, that that's a big huge development because Ted Cruz is brilliant.
Uh arguing that and by the way, this this is on the constitutional merits of this.
This is the one that I've been saying is a real case, just like the Wisconsin case is a real case.
Frankly, they're all real cases.
You know, it is mind-numbing to me that, you know, I one of the first things is this, you know, we kind of all get our bearings after what happens.
You know, you go to bed on election night, go back for a second, and you know, you got these massive hundreds and hundreds of thousand vote leads, and then all of a sudden they just start chipping away.
Big chunks, little chunks, littler chunks, little, and just, you know, then they all get to, you know, the Biden column, and it's like, okay, what just happened?
And then you realize everything.
Now, what was the real worry and concern we had going into this election?
Is that all of these, that's why it was a big deal that the Secretary of State in Pennsylvania wants to count ballots whether they're postmarked or not, three days after election day.
You don't get to change the laws after the game's played.
You just don't.
And the Mike Kelly lawsuit, this is the one that I would hope the Supreme Court picks up, is that it has to do with the General Assembly in Pennsylvania in 2019, enacting what is known as Act 77, a measure that would that vastly expanded mail-in voting statewide.
The problem with that act of the legislature in Pennsylvania is it directly overrode provisions regarding limits to absentee voting that are specifically outlined in the Pennsylvania Constitution.
And if you want to change the Constitution in Pennsylvania, well, that requires going through the lengthy process of enacting a constitutional amendment, which includes approvals of two consecutive legislatures followed by a successful statewide referendum.
And the bar is quite high, which means that on constitutional merits, which is how cases ought to be desired if we're going to be a society that actually has a real Supreme Court, not stacked by Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, and the radical left.
You know, their Democrat Mark Elias uh last month called the lawsuit privileged.
No, that's not frivolous.
And he's not worried about what date the briefs are due.
Well, they ordered the court, the court ordered the Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court, ordered state officials not to take steps to uh perfect the certification of the election pending the resolution of that lawsuit.
And the Supreme Court overrode that injunction three days later.
The Pennsylvania State Supreme Court.
This is now a case if if it was argued by Ted Cruz, I think would be massive.
But I'm I'm just telling you, this you can see it, the schism, the divide that has now existed for a long time with the within the Republican Party.
And we saw it frankly all throughout the rise of Donald Trump.
And these guys scratching their heads, and they never understood it.
We've understood it from the beginning.
Look, right on this program, I put a lot of regard into what that what I am telling you is what I know to be true.
And there were so many out there that when I said no, he will govern conservatively, I mean, they they they thought I was nuts, and I was brutally attacked for a long time.
And then all of a sudden the proof is in the pudding, and the agenda was implemented, and the promises were kept, and the fight was engaged.
Frankly, at a level I'd never seen in my lifetime.
Now, I I know that there are some people that would prefer that there'd be less tweeting.
I I think there's so much feigned BS over, oh, I'm so offended by the tweet.
I'm so offended by what the president said.
You know, at what point is there going to be like huge buyer's remorse in this country if this this Biden Kamala thing comes to fruition?
Probably about three seconds, and you're gonna realize wow.
You know, we we go from a president full of life and vigor and passion and engagement to somebody that you're rarely gonna see that's gonna be basically a vehicle of every radical left socialist wish list ever created in the United States, even far more radical than it had ever been stated before.
There's stated policies of Bernie, Bolshevik Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, AOC, uh Pelosi, Schumer, you know, everything's on the table.
Georgia's not important, Georgia's important.
You know, but this is this is the difference.
Well, we've got to act a certain way.
No, you gotta, you know, I always said there's only one answer.
You know, the only way you're gonna counter the mob and the media is to basically become the media.
People have to have other options.
I would actually that single-handedly, you know, what would I attribute my any success I've had in this business to?
It's the fact that we go our own way, independently, and we we tell the truth.
Yeah, and at times I put it all in the line.
If Donald Trump didn't govern conservatively, and I told you he would, you would abandon me because I wouldn't have had I wouldn't have credibility with you.
You know, when we vetted Obama, nobody else would.
Got the crap kicked out of me.
I had Newt Gingrich telling me I was gonna my career is gonna be over if I keep pushing this.
And I said, Well, I gotta tell the truth.
You know, with the Russia, there weren't many of us that were unpeeling the layers of that onion every single day.
We were.
We started vetting the Biden criminal, you know, uh, fundraising family corruption when Peter Schweitzer's book Secret Empires came out in 2018.
I remember reading it, and and my jaw dropped because he does such impeccable research for all that he does with the government accountability institute.
I mean, he's incredible.
And and so we read it, we stayed on it.
The media didn't touch that either.
And a lot of Republicans are very sensitive.
Well, well, what what what are we supposed to do when we see thousands of ballots showing up weeks after election day?
There are states today still counting votes that they haven't counted from election day.
How is it all of these other states did it perfectly?
How is it you have all of these statistical questions and anomalies that are beyond bizarre?
Why do we have laws written?
And I think we were the first to break open this the statutory language in just about every state we're talking about, how partisan observers are allowed to watch the vote counting from beginning to end.
How many more people do we have to have whistleblowers do we need to bring in that are saying nobody got to see anything and they were thrown out of the room?
How is it that video tape didn't jar the conscience of a nation?
Wait a minute, the media is kicked out, we can see it on video.
Then the the observers are kicked out, and underneath the tables hidden are our suitcases full of ballots, and then the mob wants to tell us, no, that's all normal.
Doesn't look normal to me.
Media wasn't brought back in for the counting, nor were the other observers brought back in.
That makes, you know, this little suspicious side of Sean Hannity say, what the hell is going on here?
You know, we can't have two signature verification systems.
You can't have, you know, chain of of custody of ballots, you know, just missing in action for days and weeks at a time.
You got to protect the integrity of the election.
This is simple stuff.
You know, how many when are we going to clean up the roles that people that live in locations that don't exist or commercial locations, or we have veterans all that voted that are born January 1st, 1900?
You know, how many more instances such as these are we gonna have to discover before people realize that none of this is normal?
None of this lends itself towards fairness, credibility.
None of it.
You know, so or the case in Wisconsin, which is okay, they have a state law that expressly prohibits early voting, and it's bypassed by hundreds of thousands of ballots just being handed out before election day that they don't even require the basic process of signature uh and I voter ID and signature verification to get the ballots.
Well, that would not be a legally cast ballot by definition if you care about law.
Um, and these are the things that some of us are looking at and saying, what the hell?
And that's why people are saying fight for for Trump, fight for free fair elections that we have confidence and integrity in.
You know, how many more times do we have to stand back and just watch this?
You know, forget about everything else.
Every measure, every every statistical anomaly, it would be impossible.
Would say, no, no way.
If you get, you know, of the 19 bellwether counties, Trump wins eight of them.
I'm sorry, eighteen of them.
Biden wins one.
Trump's average 15%.
If you look at the 58 biggest bellwether counties in the country, Trump wins 51 of 58 by significant margins.
Do you did any of you ever think that Joe Biden would be more popular than Barack Obama by 15 million votes?
Or the Hillary Clinton would be more that he'd be more popular than Hillary.
How bad is it when a media protects a guy that we all know everybody who's talking about it?
I'm just one of the few people dumb enough or brave enough to talk about it.
Joe is weak, frail, and cognitively struggling.
Okay, there's a huge cover-up in the mob and the media.
That's who they are.
You have 250 open election integrity cases.
How is it that they ignore zero experience hunter and quid pro quo Joe?
How did that happen in an election?
You know, how is it we expose you know premeditated fraud on a Pfizer court?
Only one person held accountable to date.
Well, they weren't allowed to have a grand jury because of the COVID, blah, blah, blah.
Everything's gonna come down to COVID.
By the way, I talked to Mayor Giuliani last night, in spite of reports, he's actually doing very well.
In light of the fact he's 76 years old and he did contract uh COVID-19.
He's in our prayers as anybody else's.
You know, there's a I'll tell you, and that's another thing.
You know what the governor of New Jersey said?
If you don't like my coronas virus, coronavirus lockdown, move.
Okay.
Now they're shutting down California completely again.
Um, this guy, Max Bar, Staten Island, he's gonna be on Hannity tonight.
He's they've got video after they're making these allegations about a running with the cops, but all these people, they know the risks.
They're making up their own minds.
At this point, You know, I've given my recommendations.
My strong recommendation protect grandma, grandpa, ma and dad, especially if you're coming back from school or if you've been exposed or potentially exposed.
And, you know, we want to get life back to normal as soon as possible.
Well, it's going to happen with the vaccine and the therapeutics are better than ever.
And don't listen to the media when you when you're looking and researching if you need therapeutics.
My advice is consult with real doctors who've been on the ground dealing with real COVID cases.
Because they know because they're watching it every day.
And we've brought them on the air, at least, you know, we're one place.
But you know, they're using this as a as a means to become more restrictive against everybody.
Um anyway, so we're we're watching all this.
It's just the this is a very tough time.
This is also a critical time in our history.
If we don't, if we don't now implement complete voter ID requirements, if we don't stop this madness of voting three, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight weeks out of an election, counting votes, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six weeks after an election.
And we don't, and we don't develop a system where we have voter ID, signature verification, you know, clean up the voter rolls of of any anomaly that shouldn't be there, following the laws written, the constitutions of these states.
And you know, we can do it because a lot of states did it perfectly.
The ones that didn't do it, well, was it by design?
It certainly wasn't through an effort on their part to get it right, because it's not that hard to do.
None of what we're talking about is that complicated.
This is what's frustrating.
You know, so many people.
Linda, yes, you got two seconds.
Two seconds.
I just want to tell people if you want something to do today, go to Freeroots.com, go forward slash keep fighting.
That's a grassroots effort so that we can reach out to GOP leadership, senators, Republicans, governors, and then reach out to our electors and let them know that we are not happy and we want to decertify.
Okay.
When we're watching that effort actually later this afternoon in Arizona, we'll talk about it in uh in our five o'clock hour today, Eastern time.
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It is the 7th of December and January 5th are the two Senate runoffs in the great state of Georgia.
This was front and center at the debate with Kelly Loeffler.
Uh over the weekend that she was having with uh Reverend Warnoff.
And uh, I gotta tell you, it was a very, very interesting uh debate on a lot of levels.
But also at the rally when the president was there Saturday night, you know, everybody keeps saying fight back, keep fighting, you know, for free, fair elections.
Uh let me play that for you.
And also video again, we have the suspicious boxes pulled out from under the table in Georgia.
We're not getting a satisfactory explanation from anybody on this.
And the one thing that I thought Kelly Loffler was right about in the debate is the president has every right to challenge the legality of the votes, especially thousands of ballots Showing up weeks later, and then the you know, well, let's throw out the observers and the media uh and then we'll pull out the suitcases and then we'll count them without the observers in the room.
And we have two signature verification systems, one for in-person voting and one for mail-in voting.
And mail-in voting standard, you don't have a photo ID requirement, nor do you have to check with the state database of what your signature on file looks like.
That's ridiculous.
Anyway, let's play that.
All right, so fight for Trump was the cry of the crowd on on Saturday night.
I mean, with a lot of information as we've been going over the record of uh Raphael Warnock.
I mean, it is radical, it is extreme, it is beyond the pale, and and Kelly Laughlard uh Luffler did point it out during the debate numerous times, a lot of it here to weigh in on it.
We have Matt Towery, syndicated columnist and polster, insider advantage, uh who knows Georgia as well as everybody anybody I know.
John McLaughlin is with us.
Uh he's looking at, you know, why is it that the governor and he even says he wants signature verification, but says he has no other authority to involve himself.
Well, he actually does.
It's called bringing into session the the legislature and letting them make the fixes before the January 5th runoff.
Uh anyway, thanks uh to both of you.
John, let's get your take on the state of the these two Senate races at this moment.
Well, well, all the published polls which match up with what what I'm seeing is it's a dead even race.
And and so here we are about to head into another dead even race where there's a huge cloud over the November results that were cast in Georgia because of the signature verification.
Plus, what's worse is even the drop boxes.
Because it's been widely it's been reported, but not widely by the mainstream media.
They don't talk about this.
The drop boxes were you know privately funded.
There's no records.
There were 300 drop drop boxes, of which the state Secretary of State can't tell you how many ballots came in by mail.
He can't tell you how many came in by drop box, because they didn't keep track of it.
So you've got uh hundreds of thousands of votes.
It was about six hundred thousand votes came in in these drop boxes, and people don't know who handled them, when they were picked up, when they were dropped off.
I I heard they're supposed to be under video surveillance.
Am I did I hear wrong?
Uh right.
They're supposed to be under video surveillance, but they were also supposed to keep logs uh as to who picked them up, dual control.
You know, you pick up the drop box ballots.
Where do you go?
Do you go someplace and sort out the ones for Biden?
Well now you have a chain of custody issue.
Why why don't both sides have observers at the drop boxes 24-7 or at least have the ability online to watch them?
Exactly.
And we did, and it was reported in the Georgia store.
We did a poll of post-election voters that was done November 25th.
And out of the 800 people in the poll, 12% told us that they voted in these drop boxes.
And and they voted for Biden 73 uh to 27.
If they voted uh by mail, the U.S. postal mail, it was Trump 50 to 49.
Now, if that's the case, these drop boxes were clearly used by the Democrats to have the mail-in game beat the Republican ground game.
And there's still no chain of custody, there's still no logs.
So the legislature needs to come in and fix that along with the signature verification.
And that's why in the same poll when we took it, 58% of all Georgian voters want a special session of the leg legislature to fix the signature verification.
Only 38% were opposed.
Well beyond the Republican base, well beyond the Trump voter base.
So there's a the majority of uh Georgia voters are very concerned about the security going uh going forward on the January 5th election.
And the governor needs to get them in tomorrow and get this fixed.
Well, the governor has been steadfast in his absolute arrogance on this.
You know, he finally said, Well, it's uh I have no say in this whatsoever.
That's just not true, Matt Towery.
Uh he could bring the legislature back in session.
Uh I think John is right, chain of custody.
By the way, Also, everybody needs to show a voter ID.
If you're voting by mail, you don't have to show that.
And signature verification.
It has to be, you know, equal protection, equal laws apply to everybody, not two standards, one for in-person voting and one for mail in voting.
Yeah, Georgia has so many problems, Sean.
I don't even know where to begin, and it's my native state, as you know, and I served in in its legislature at one time.
Um the governor does have the ability to call the legislature into into session.
In fact, he is the only one who can really do it.
The only other way that the legislature can have a special session is if two-thirds of the House and the Senate decide to go in special session where there aren't enough Republicans to get that done, and probably not enough strong Trump Republicans to get that done.
The governor has refused to do it so far.
He doubled down this weekend.
Uh and now the lieutenant governor of Georgia has joined in with him and come out with a statement saying the election was fair and everything was great, and we don't need a special session.
So now you've got two of these guys just doubling down.
Their Facebook, certainly the governor's Facebook uh is just lighting up with comments from people who are upset with him.
I think the the a tremendous number of these voters who are Republicans, they're turning these voters off.
They've got to do something.
Well, they're going to end up having an effect on this U.S. Senate race as well.
And that's a really big thing.
Are they going to or are they?
I mean, your poll had Purdue up one, Loffler down one.
Uh Trafalgar interestingly had had Loffler up by a few and and Purdue down by by one.
The survey USA had both Republicans down.
Well, it's it's a very precarious situation, and and the real key to it is do you get the Trump voters who were at that rally who were still were screaming at day to Purdue, fight for Trump.
I mean, I'll give you give some free advice to both of these U.S. Senate candidates right now.
They need to come out today and ask the governor to call a special session.
They need to stand up for Donald Trump.
If they do that, I think these voters will see them doing that and they will love it.
But if they continue to sort of tap dance around this issue, this is going to continue to be a problem because I don't think that Brian Kemp is going to take this legislature into a special session as much as he should.
I don't think he's he's shown no signs of a John McLaughlin.
No, and in fact, I mean I spoke to uh I used to work for Governor Deal and I spoke to his chief of staff Chris Riley last week, and this was going on.
They were trying to get these types of reforms when Governor Deal was there, but the drop boxes are are they they're they're ripe for fraud because they're they're a tool that you can use for ballot harvesting.
So you have no idea where these ballots are coming from and who's touched them there, and then the government doesn't keep track, they're paid for by Zuckerberg.
So it was a tool that the Democrats were using to skew the skew the ballots, crave fraud.
Without a doubt, they stole the election in Georgia from President Trump.
And now Mitch McConnell should be calling Governor Kemp and he should be telling them we want a fair election.
We want to make sure that this election does not get stolen before January fifth.
And and and Senator McConnell and every Republican has to call on Governor Kemp, not to because he's using the excuse about changing the electors for President Trump.
That's fine.
You know, Governor Kemp doesn't believe that Donald Trump uh, you know, won Georgia.
The rest of us do.
He doesn't believe it.
That's fine.
But you better fix the the ballots before January fifth because we've lost our president because of this fraud, and now we're about to lose control of the U.S. Senate because of this fraud, and people are investing and and Georgians are voting, they want to know their vote counts, and it's secure, and it's not going to be canceled by some fraudulent ballot that's cast via a drop box that nobody's monitoring, that they don't have a chain of custody, that that there's Republicans right now.
I've been talking to Doug Collins.
There's Republicans who think they voted on November 3rd, and the records are showing they didn't vote because they dropped their ballot into a drop box.
And what are you seeing numbers-wise in Georgia?
Just dead even.
Dead even, dead even.
So if it's a dead even race again, they could steal it.
So this is, you know, it's the definition of the.
You know, by the way, Robert Cahaley, we all know from Trafalgar, uh, actually factored in three point seven percent fraud in his latest poll.
I'm like, great.
Now we have to weigh the issue of what uh what are the odds of fraud in any given em uh election.
It's not funny.
I mean, now we are fraud.
You can't call dead people.
You can't, and you can't call people that aren't there that are manufacturing ballots.
Apparently you can, that's the point.
I can't get them in the bowl, but they got him to vote.
But the uh but the terrible thing is this is terrible for the country.
And the president, the media, he the president wisely in his rally, played the video of Fulton County, where all of a sudden they send the Republicans home, and this is high tech ballot stuffing.
They break out the boxes from underneath the uh underneath the desks or whatever, and all of a sudden they're counting tens of thousands of ballots in Fulton County and it's a video, but not according not according to the Secretary of State Governor or Lieutenant Governor Matt Tower.
That apparently is okay.
Well say see so this is where this really gets into deep machination.
So Gabe Sterling, who is the head of the election division there, a fine individual he interned I think or worked in my campaign when I was nominee for lieutenant governor.
But but Gabe ha because he works for a Secretary of State who's who's taken a position completely opposed to the president on this has followed followed a same the same route and I will say Gabe was a supporter of Jeb Bush and did not want to see Donald Trump elected in 2016.
I do know that.
So you've got people who aren't really in love with the president in the first place and they're the ones who are making these decisions.
Well the reason I I bring that up is that other people in the Republican Party know all of this down in Georgia.
This is not a big secret.
So they're getting frustrated with the party leadership they're getting frustrated with the governor and the Secretary of State and the the people who are going to pay the price for this if they don't get it fixed are going to be the two candidates for the U.S. Senate.
That's why I say those two candidates need to ask the governor right now to give a special session to call a special session.
Maybe the governor would move if they were to request that Matt Towery how is this going to play out?
Well a lot of it's in the hands of the Georgia politicians right now and and the how they react to the situation President Trump has faced there.
I agree with John I think that election was stolen in Georgia.
I don't know about the other states but I know Georgia I I poll Georgia I know how it operates and I don't think that was enough enough fair fight.
I think Bolton County was a disgrace and I think anyone who says otherwise is is just not not wanting to see Matt are you hearing from your friends in Georgia that at least they're gonna watch the the drop boxes at least now they will have uh observers at every location and lawyers at every location is there really going to be partisan observers allowed to watch every vote being counted.
You know Sean I haven't heard a word from anyone they're they're so busy fighting over the election from November third and they're trying so busy trying to get these candidates elected that once again I'm afraid we may be facing the same problem we had on November third and that is there's nobody guarding the hen house.
So it's it's a very sticky situation.
I'm gonna look more into that but right now the the people the the supporters in Georgia the the the people who really are the grassroots of the Republican Party they are incredibly demoralized and something has got to pick them up because to to John's point earlier they don't know that their vote is even going to count.
They don't know that they they some some people are saying well I'm not gonna go vote why would I go waste my time doing that well that's not good for these senators for people to not believe the electoral system is fair and honest and and to go into another election with with that cloud over it again is just unbelievable.
All right John where do you see this headed?
I mean d will the Trump voters now in light of Kemp being so arrogant and the Secretary of state and lieutenant governor being so arrogant uh are they gonna ignore that knowing the importance of this these two Senate races.
Well the Trump voters are coming back out the president was there but the president's not on the ballot and the problem is these drop off boxes like I said governor deal we never had them while he was governor and they'd put him in because of COVID and it wasn't done by the legislature and there was about it was done by the Secretary of State.
He agreed to that consent agreement.
Right.
With Zuckerberg and it being funded by their group, this is a tool for ballot harvesting and ballot fraud.
So you've got 600,000 ballots that were cast in November on this, of which President Trump, according to our poll, would have only gotten 159,000.
And Biden would have gotten 432,000, roughly 273,000 vote margin.
And President Trump lost only by 12,000 votes because it's rigged.
These ballots are all in, you know, they're down in metro Atlanta, very few out in the rural areas, very few out where Trump voters live.
And they're very accessible to fraud by Trump.
by the Democrats and the legislature and Governor Kemp and the lieutenant governor are now ignoring this and it's got to be fixed along with signature verification otherwise the good Trump voters when they come out and the Republicans come out and they're casting their ballot for January 5th otherwise their ballots are going to be canceled by a fraudulent vote.
So I gotta let you both go but John McLaughlin and Matt Tower will be watching very closely.
Thank you all for being with us eight hundred nine four one Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
A lot of your calls coming up next half hour, and then we'll go to the state of Arizona, get an update from Andy Biggs out there and Jake Hoffman out there as we continue.
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Actually, it was fascinating to see a little bit of sanity come out of Hollywood.
So Matthew McConaughey, um, apparently was doing Russell Brand's podcast.
Didn't Russell Brand for a while hate us for some reason, Linda.
I don't remember what that was all about.
Do you?
Well, he's insane, so we could start there.
Yeah, no, I mean he he was, I guess, married, I guess, for a while to Katy Perry, and that didn't work out.
Okay, I don't know anything about their mental state.
I just the one who sued the nuns, wanted that property from the nuns.
You know what I mean?
No, that's right.
The n the nuns, she's suing the nuns ruin them.
Anyway, so McConnell rightly points out the obvious, but you never hear it out of Hollywood, and that is just how condescending the people in Hollywood are patronizing that they are and how they treat conservatives, and how hypocritical it is of them to expect the president's supporters to immediately accept the 2020 election results, especially with all that we know is gone on.
Um, after they they never accepted the 2016 election results.
And he talks about what he he discovered and noticed a condemnation of criticism of ordinary working people in the entertainment industry when it comes to politics.
They're like, you know, a kind of off-handedness, like, oh, you're a dumb.
You're voting for Brexit.
You're voting for Trump.
I don't like it.
I don't like to hear it.
Uh Brand seemingly agreed with him, although I thought he was pretty left-wing himself.
Anyways, McConaughey replying, there are a lot of people on the liberal left that absolutely condescend, patronize, and are arrogant towards uh 50% of the country.
And he pointed out how some of the Hollywood his peers struggled to accept the results of the 2016 election.
Now the roles are reversed.
Uh yeah, he says, I'm sure you saw it in the industry when Trump was voted in four years ago.
They were in denial, and that was real.
You know, some of them were in absolute denial.
Um, well, we all see, you know, we have eyes to see.
It's not that hard.
Trying to, you know, I'm watching Ocasio Cortez.
I mean, she's pretty fascinating to watch.
She's now selling tax the rich sweatshirts for 58 bucks.
And it's embracing the slogans on her apparel, you know, abolish ice.
Drink water, don't be racist.
Also, she is like the mother of the new Green Deal.
So, I don't know.
I guess she's gonna sell what?
Green New Deal, baby onesies, they said in the New York Post.
Uh, or dog collars, or I guess they are selling them, apparently.
Well, shouldn't she give them away?
She's exactly that's what I was gonna get to.
Shouldn't they give them away?
She should in fact what she should do.
I've got a great marketing idea for the card.
By the way, they've already They've only raked in 17.3 million in donations this campaign uh cycle.
Uh-huh.
So here's my idea.
You ready?
Yeah, I'm ready.
I think that that uh AOC, as she is affectionately termed, should go to the border and she should give out her t-shirts for free to all of the illegal immigrants because that's what she fully embraces.
That's what she should do.
She should welcome them with her product on her dime and go down there and say, along with all the other free stuff, I'm going to make all of our taxpayers give you.
Here's a free t-shirt from my line.
Typically it would be $58, but for you it's free.
I think she goes on blasting Republicans in the Senate never having had physically difficult working class jobs.
That's just not true.
What she's saying.
Because I know the backgrounds of many of these guys, and well, I guess there are a few of them that come from money.
She says the thing that these conservative senators don't seem to understand is I've actually had a physically difficult working class job.
Linda, you know my whole life story.
There's no way she worked harder than me.
I don't believe it.
And I'll compare my resume on working all those jobs she's talking about with against hers any day.
Listen, I guarantee.
So anybody who's been a waiter or server, a bartender, worked in a restaurant in any capacity, knows all about pulling tips.
I guarantee she was the one who coasted.
Everybody else hustled, and she got a part of those tips and she didn't do nothing.
We used to pull them as the as bartenders.
We did do that.
Yeah, we all did.
And then we, you know, we paid out, you know, the bar back and the bus boy.
That's what you do.
It's the right thing to do.
You know, guys at the front.
Well, they actually used to give us some of their tip money because we were making their drinks, and this was a place that had daiquiries and pina coladas, and you know, well, she's the one talking about crying in the walk-in refrigerator.
If you're crying in the walk in refrigerator, you're not working.
You're crying.
What's in the walk-in refrigerator?
Oh my god.
Who had time?
I mean, you should be in the middle of a rush.
There's no crying was racing and running down the bar.
I mean, I remember running down the bar.
It was so busy.
Dude, exactly.
I remember running around the kitchen.
Same thing.
Someone didn't give her cocoa.
She got real sad.
She had to find the walk-in fridge.
You know, it's it's tough to do that.
What does she think?
She's the only person that has ever done, you know, real blue-collar jobs that are alike.
Well, she's part of that society, that whole idea that it's all about me and I'm very special, and I'm the only one that's ever suffered, and only I know the right way, and everybody else has to follow me.
You know, she doesn't understand compromise or listening to alternative thought or ideas or anything.
Listen, even the Trump kids who I've gotten to know very well, Don and Eric and and Ivanka, and and even now Baron, um the father never handed them stuff.
They if they were going on a trip, they were in coach and and Donald Trump with his wife was in first class.
He wasn't putting him up in first class.
Um and they had to work or else they didn't get paid.
They had to bring in money or they did not, there's no big trust funds for the kids.
Um again, the point is it a child does not get to pick the opportunities to which it is born, whether it is born to privilege or poverty, it is not a child's choice.
So why are we blaming children for the places in which they're born?
Let's just help them get ahead wherever they're from.
If they have a leg upgrade, then we don't have to give them quite as much because maybe they've got a little bit more money and they can do a few more things.
And the kids in poverty, let's try and help them out all we can.
Why isn't it just a lot of people?
What Republicans have got to see there's a guy, Josh Hammer, wrote a piece uh in the New York Post today about this.
It really caught my attention how Republican populace have a bright future.
You know, the the Republican Party now has to keep up.
Let the Democrats be the party of coastal elites.
That's that is AOC's party.
That's who they're catering to.
And but if you look at even the breakdown demographically in the vote, and again, if you take coronavirus out of this thing, I think with we have a whole different election completely.
You know, Joe wouldn't have been able to hide the whole time, number one.
But you know, look at the president dramatically increasing votes with African Americans, with working class Americans, with Hispanic Americans.
There's a reason for it, is policies protected them.
When when you secure your borders and you negotiate Free and fair trade deals, and you fight for American workers and American manufacturers, and you say America first, that helps working men and women.
That's why he was able to set record low unemployment for groups that historically have been left behind when liberal Democrats implement their socialist redistribution policies.
It's really that simple.
Um and that that is the that it would be the new revitalized Republican Party, the the America first party.
That's who if they want to win elections first, that you gotta fix the broken, dilapidated, you know, messed up voting system we have, uh, or else you won't have a shot.
But then you've got to make the appeal that you then we gotta make one more point.
Yes, ma'am.
And this is something that nobody has brought up, including us.
And I think it's a very valid point.
Maybe or else you wouldn't bring it up, would you?
Of course.
So one of the things that nobody's highlighting is that in these voting machines, there's all these strange percentages.
People are not percentages.
We're we're one person.
We're an integer, we're not decimal points.
There should be no decimal points.
Did half a person vote?
Did somebody bring their small child with them?
They don't count for a full vote yet?
No.
Each person counts for one vote.
That just shows you how messed up our voting machines are and how corrupt the software is.
That's all you need to know.
Uh look, I've got I've been through these numbers so many different ways and times.
It just, you know, it's frustrating.
I know, it's nauseating.
They don't want to hear it.
They don't care because they got the result they wanted.
That's that's it.
By any means necessary.
Anyway, Catherine in Florida.
Catherine, how are you?
Good.
How are you doing, Sean?
I'm good.
What's going on?
So, yeah, I'm down here in Miami.
I'm a frontline COVID nurse, uh, pandemic nurse, I guess you would say.
And my husband's a um frontline police officer down here in Miami.
And uh, we're, you know, die hard uh Republicans.
Both of them.
Now, have you been able to avoid getting this thing, even though you're on the front lines?
That's pretty tough.
Yes, thank God.
Thank God, because let me tell you, I work at a government hospital, and it president Trump was amazing from the first week that we got our first COVID case.
We had no problems getting PPEs, we had no problems getting ventilators.
He was an amazing, amazing force to be reckoned with.
He protected us like unbelievable.
You don't hear about this in the media.
He was just a savior.
What he did with COVID is unprecedented, and he doesn't get enough credit.
And if Biden thinks that he's gonna come along and take uh advantage of all the work that Trump has done, no, we will let him know that that is not the case.
Long Island next weekend through NYU and Langone, I know, uh, we'll have over a hundred thousand vaccines just next week alone.
Nassau County alone.
Um, and that's downplaying.
I'm gonna be the one of the first ones to be vaccinated in a couple weeks.
Listen, I'll tell you what I think.
I think distribution should be very simple.
Frontline health care workers like you and your husband.
Next, the elderly, the most vulnerable, those with pre-existing conditions and underlying or compromised immune systems.
And I'm not sure why, but I keep reading again and again and again that this is disproportionately hitting and impacting most negatively in minority communities.
I'd go there third.
Go where the need is, go where it would be most useful, and then the general population at large, and starting with older people moving down to younger people.
Now, there's gonna be people that don't want to take it, and they don't have to.
They should not be forced.
You know, um now you get people that you go from the anti-vax, you know, crazies out there, uh, because I think it's a little nuts.
I'm not anti-vax, but Linda kind of is a little bit.
Um, and but I think people have to have the choice of whether they they look, people are gonna decide what risk they're comfortable with.
At this point, everybody knows about social distancing and masks.
They know they know what the risks are.
We also know what the the options are available from Rem disavere to Rengenon, you know, make your own decision with your doctor on any of that or hydroxychloroquine and azithromyosin and zinc.
You know, everybody's got to make up their own mind.
And but if you're not gonna I know so many people they call me and ask me, now what were you saying on TV and radio about This stuff, I feel like I'm like I'm like here.
Here are the articles I most rely on.
The ones that I think are the most valuable.
Here are the studies that I think are the most valuable.
And I pass them on, but ultimately people have to decide.
But uh, will you get the vaccine when it's available?
Absolutely.
I already signed up to be one of the first ones to get the vaccine.
And as far as uh hydroxy and the remdiziver, I could tell you firsthand, you know, I'm not a scientist.
I'm on the front lines, and I've dealt with hundreds and hundreds of patients.
And I can tell you that I have seen them circling the train, probably going to die, get remdizivere or get plasma and immediately turn around and get better.
It's amazing.
Happened right before my eyes.
I would about hydroxychloroquine.
Did that work too?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It all depends.
You know, everybody has a different system that reacts differently to different types of medications.
But I definitely have seen it work firsthand.
I could attest, I have seen it work myself.
And it's amazing how the media wanted to politicize the whole thing and make all Americans be afraid to take it because Donald Trump suggested it.
Donald Trump has saved nothing.
They've done a great disservice.
That Lancet, I think it was the New England Journal of Medicine.
Those two those two medical studies that they pulled on hydroxy were damaging, and then politicizing it was damaging in my view.
And again, I'm not pushing for it.
I'm not advocating it.
No, but it's the 65-year-old drug who's the one guy that knows more than anything about it and has dispensed it for 42 years.
Dr. Daniel Wallace, I know, uh he convinced me.
And it's not just him, then it's the doctors that I've interviewed from Harvard and Baylor and Princeton and all over the country, and Dr. Roz and our medical aid team, and they've all said pretty much the same thing in some way.
Um, but you can't even have the discussion.
And look, if people want to go into a bar in their local bar and they don't and they're willing to take the risk at this point, you're not gonna stop them.
I mean, then the idea that you're shutting down these economies again, it's gonna have a devastating impact on everybody.
Um, you're proving every single day that if you take the proper precautions that you're gonna be okay.
And I'm listening to people like you.
Anyway, you're a hero.
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We uh go back a quick whip around the the varying states and what's happened.
Not only have we gone over in in great detail the statistical, you know, the bottom line is it's not quite impossible when you know President Trump gets 20% more vote in 2016 than 2016 in 2020 when the rejection rate goes to 0.003% in Pennsylvania, uh 27% less rejection rate of mail and ballots, then you increase the ballots dramatically.
Um we've explained in detail the Pennsylvania uh case that the U.S. Supreme Court, which would challenge the the constitutionality of the state legislature passing something that is in direct conflict with the exact wording in the constitution there.
Uh, We're obviously watching the issues in Georgia with no chain of custody as it relates to these ballot box drop-off points.
Number one, signature verification, number two, which you can't have, you know, we look looking for equal application of our laws and equal justice and equal protection, even.
You could use that as the constitutional argument.
I think it would be a good fit there.
Uh the Wisconsin case, the state laws very clear.
They don't allow mail-in balloting balloting, but over 200,000 mail-in ballot ballots were just handed out without even going through the proper procedure.
There's court court precedence there.
Um I mean, we're watching all of this.
We know that uh finally that some movement has happened in Georgia too, 250 cases.
In Michigan, a judge has allowed the probe and the forensic analysis of these uh Dominion vote tabulation machines.
Um we know that you know, if we're gonna have free and fair elections, we ever have want confidence in, we've got to bring in voter ID and after all these irregularities for everybody.
Um then we're watching the efforts out in states, even like, for example, uh Arizona, which we've spent a lot of time talking about uh right after this program ends today.
Uh they actually have a big rally that's going on.
We heard over the weekend what happened in the state of Georgia fight for Trump.
they were chanting pretty loud.
Anyway, so the joining us now uh is Jake Hoffman.
He is a representative of Arizona's 12th legislative district, our good friend Congressman Andy Biggs, he's the chairman of the Freedom Caucus.
If you go to my account at Sean Hannity on Parlor, uh you can find a link to this effort by John Hoffman and another guy, Richard Manning, to push for a free and fair election.
This is about the state of Arizona.
Anyway, so they have more than two dozen members of the Arizona legislature making a joint statement uh as it relates to the discussion of decertification out there of the election results.
Uh they join us both now.
Thank you.
Uh Andy, are you a part of this as well?
I am they they are doing the heavy lifting, and I'm with them uh in spirit and support.
This is state, it has to be a state legislative action, and I am with them.
They're doing the right thing, doing Lord's work.
And your takes, tell us what the efforts about, Jake.
Uh yeah, thanks, Sean.
Thanks for having me.
Look, ensuring the integrity of Arizona's election, it's not just sound, it's not just a matter of sound public policy, it's a civil rights imperative.
And that's why we've got a broad coalition of Republican legislators and legislators elect, members elect, who will be standing together unified, calling for the decertification of our election results.
You know, elections have consequences, and unfortunately, uh there's two radical Democrats in charge of Arizona elections.
We've got Secretary of State Katie Hobbes and Adrian Fontez, the Maricopa County report recorder, and they have mucked this situation up so badly that we don't have certainty in the outcome of our election.
And in that situation, our duty is to decertify, not send any electors forward.
And should she refuse to decertify, we're gonna call on Congress to contest our electors come January.
And Andy, what what do you get to do on a national level, or are you just offering other logistical support?
No, on the national level, we continue to fight and uh and push our governor and others to get us a true forensic audit, not just in Arizona, but in these other states as well.
That's what's gonna help you understand whether it was a good election or not.
We all understand those of us on this phone, those of listening to you, we know there was fraud in this election.
This will tell us where the fraud was and what we need to do to remedy it.
And then the second thing gets to what Jake was talking about.
How is Congress respond to states that either change slates um or don't send any electors at all?
And we have to be prepared to respond to that.
Would that happen potentially out in Arizona, Jay Hoffman?
Well, we can only hope so.
I mean, look, we've got uh, like I said, it's a Democrat Secretary of State, and so uh I'm I'm not super confident that she's gonna be willing.
She has aspirations to run for higher office.
I'm not confident that she's gonna be willing to uh you know go against the Democratic machine and Joe Biden uh or you know, future President Kamala Harris, let's call it.
Uh but what I can say is that we're gonna we're gonna make the demand because that's our job as legislators.
We have to stand up and be counted and show that we're we're representing the voice of the people, and she's the one with the power to decertify.
Uh well, I mean, and I would assume she's not gonna do that.
Where's the governor, Governor Ducey on this?
Well, so the governor perceivably uh has taken the position that uh, you know, his role under state statute was to observe the canvas and to transmit it to the FEC.
And so since he did that, he's he's been very quiet.
We would love his support in this effort.
Uh we would be absolutely welcome uh if he joined us uh either in spirit or uh, you know, at the press conference today to call on on Katie Hobbs to uh be certified.
All right, we're gonna be watching it out there.
How many new Freedom Caucus members do you think are coming in with this uh increase of Republicans in this election, Andy?
Nine or ten.
Nine or ten new freedom caucus members?
Wow.
Yeah.
We're really really piped pumped up about it.
Uh psyched that we think we're gonna have uh uh a a whole lot of interest.
We're gonna get be able to get accomplished uh things that we hadn't been able to get accomplished before.
But uh yeah, a lot of strong new members, exciting new members that uh that that you're gonna like watching, Sean.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, we're gonna uh look forward to meeting uh all of them and we need people in uh DC that are fighters.
Uh appreciate it.
Thank you both.
Andy Biggs, thank you, and Jay Kaufman, thank you.
800 nine four one Sean.
All right, let's go back to Georgia where Lisa is standing by.
Lisa, thanks for checking in.
How are you?
You got a big uh two big runoff elections, January fifth.
What's going on?
Hi, Sean.
Um I have been doing phone banking for um Westler in Purdue, and most people that I talk to are are really motivated to go vote, but then you've got that group that I mean they feel demoralized because of all this fraud.
And I just feel like I mean our leaders aren't really doing anything, obviously.
But I feel like the Republican Party's really gotta lean in and just you know, help us here because I mean the things that Matt Brainerd found, for instance, with the you know, people voting in two states and people disguising P.O. boxes as addresses, and all of that's just not real data.
I mean, are all those voters gonna vote again?
I mean, we're just really concerned and we just want to feel our like our vote counts, and we just when people tell us, oh Georgia, you can't.
So what percentage of the people when you when you are talking to them are are expressing this to you.
I mean, it's you know, I would say probably about one out of ten that I reach, you know, does either say something about Trump and how upset they are about that, or you know, just about is my vote gonna count.
And I you know, I'm just basically telling them you can't be stuck on Trump.
You've got to look forward to this election.
It's you know, it's it's so important.
And you know, most of them understand that, but I just I feel like there's a lot that may sit home if they don't think their vote's gonna count.
So I just feel like we've got to lean in.
We can't just say vote.
We've got to figure out what we're gonna do.
My understanding is we can challenge these ballots if we if we challenge them before their process, but once they're separated from the envelope, it's too late.
You don't know who that person voted for, if that makes sense.
So I just hope somebody in the Republican Party, and maybe David Schaefer, who's the head of the Republican Party in Georgia, he seems to be more open to doing things than our governor and uh and the Secretary of State.
So I just want to, you know, Ron McDaniel, somebody out there, please help us, because um I just don't know if we're gonna have a good outcome if we don't because I feel like the Democrat Party's gonna even go harder um since November third.
There's no telling what they've registered.
Um, you know, I I hear people that used to live in Georgia that are getting um solicitations to, you know, to get an absentee ballot, and they don't even live here anymore.
So um anyway, I'm just really concerned about it.
I just really um I I'm just looking forward to the Senate race because it's just so important, not just for us, but for the whole country.
I I couldn't agree with you more.
I mean, um and yeah, I think I feel the same frustration as everybody down in Georgia with the governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Secretary of State.
Um and it's just uh the the bad deal that was this consent agreement uh that the Secretary of State agreed to, and the fact that the governor just arrogantly Says he can't do anything when he can, you know, look, this is not that complicated.
It really isn't.
You know, it's very, very clear.
We have two signature verification systems in Georgia.
The violation of the equal protection provision of Constitution.
You have to have one standard.
You have to have photo IDs.
These drop boxes, if you're gonna have them, they've they've gotta have chain of custody um monitoring the entire time by both parties, not just one.
If you if the law as it does allow and require the statutory language requires partisan or observers, watch the vote count.
Well, make, you know, put in place, you know, taking into account COVID and social distancing necessary to do it, put in place a system that takes that responsibility seriously.
And they better have enough poll watchers and enough lawyers, and every vote does need to be observed, and they ought to be watching these drop-off areas now, so you don't have these, you know, ballot harvesting opportunities for people that we already know would do anything and everything to to win and following the law is not one of them.
Um anyway, Lisa, thank you.
All right, back to our phones.
Pete, Indiana next Sean Hannity Show.
What's going on?
Hope hopefully I've got a maybe at least a partial solution for the runoff election down in Georgia.
Uh I'm a former United States Marshal, and I don't speak for the agency, but this is just some uh past perspectives on that.
Uh if the president and the attorney general would initiate a special assignment for deputy marshals, they could be sent from all over the country uh into those those big metro areas in Georgia to monitor everything that's going on down there.
Uh prior to they'd be uh briefed by the U.S. attorneys in that area and uh as to what what uh election laws are applicable and which ones they can enforce.
I think that'd be a great stopgap measure for this uh this runoff.
I mean, you're just making too much sense.
I mean, you would think now that after in light of you know them finding thousands of ballots in Georgia out of nowhere weeks after the election, you would think with 250 separate investigations going on about voter fraud alone, you would think about now what we know about the drop boxes, now we know about you know, no need for voter ID if you're a mail-in voter, but you have to have it if you're an in-person voter.
You have one set of standards that are rigid and str and stringent uh for in-person voting, but you don't have the same signature verification standard for mail-in voting.
You know, you gotta have the same standards.
You know, these are easily solvable problems before January 5th.
This is not a heavy lift.
And if it means you're going to instill faith, trust, and confidence in the integrity of an election, yeah, Pete, you're right.
We ought to be doing it.
The fact that they're not is speaks, you know, volumes about who they are.
If Democrats do win control of the U.S. Senate, there'll be pressure to increase the size of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Would you support adding more justices to the Supreme Court to offset President Trump's recent appointments?
And do you think there needs to be term limits for justices on the bench?
As I move all across the state, Greg, people aren't asking me uh about the courts and whether we should expand the courts.
I know that's an interesting question for people inside the beltway to discuss.
But they're wondering when in the world are they gonna get some COVID-19 relief.
So I am one wondering if you can answer the question.
Do you support expanding the Supreme Court?
I'm really not focused on it.
All right, back to our busy telephones.
Uh Jeff in North Carolina, what's up, Jeff?
How are you?
Hey, Sean.
Thanks for taking my call, sir, and thank you for all you can do for all my all my brothers and sisters still wearing the uniform.
Thank them for all they do for us.
Yeah, they're the heroes.
What's going on?
Enforcement here.
Uh, just a quick observation.
Um, you know, over my career, I've worked hundreds and hundreds of, you know, felonies, drug cases, some of them even escalated to federal crimes.
Um, I would have loved to have had half of the evidence that has come about in these uh voter fraud cases, you know, with the sworn affidavits, eyewitness testimony.
Uh just don't understand where the Department of Justice is with something that has just kind of fallen in their Lap and other people have already did all the heavy lifting on it.
I don't know why it's taken so long.
I do know that that key witnesses now are being interviewed, and these are my sources that I know that I trust, like with the deep state and exposing the Russia hoax, but I have sources telling me that now finally they've gotten around to people within the Department of Justice and the FBI interviewing some of these people that have even been on this program.
Well, it's a little late to be honest.
I mean, you know, we've known about these people for a month.
Exactly.
And I don't know where all the my all of my Republican friends are that pretty much owe their being in office to President Trump.
And you know, they've been just crickets.
Yeah, like Governor Kemp in Georgia.
We'll start with him.
Um anyway, Jeff, thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for all you and your your brave friends and law enforcement and family do every day.
25 till the top of the hour, 800-941 Sean.
You want to be a part of this extravaganza?
By the way, New York City, billion dollar cut to the police.
Let's see, shooting levels up a hundred and twelve percent since twenty nineteen.
You think it's an accident?
Uh no, I don't think so.
You know, Chicago this weekend, we had 30 shot, four dead in Chicago.
Unbelievable.
Welcome to Welcome to the Great World of Liberal uh America.
Good grief.
God help us.
Joe Biden and Kamala's America.
All right, let's get to our busy phones.
800-941 Sean.
Uh, if you want to be a part of this extravaganza, Sharon is in Michigan.
Sharon, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
Listen, I I feel like many Americans, I'm terribly upset.
And we were just watching TV, and there was a gal from Michigan who was on the Michigan Board of Canvassers, and because she would not vote to certify the elections, her life has been threatened, her children's lives, and this is not the first time in listening to all the hearings how this has happened.
We as Americans are afraid of this country becoming communistic.
We're halfway there.
When your life is what did I say in Live Free or Die?
What was I saying in the lead up to this election?
I kept saying that I referred to a chapter in the book, and I didn't write the book for 10 years for a reason.
I don't like to write, but I needed to get this down because I saw all of this as a danger that could possibly occur.
And what is what is socialism, its history of failure?
What is that all about?
You're describing it in great detail, Sharon, and that is that any name it's been used under, any form it's taken, any manifestation of it.
I don't care if it's Mao's revolution or the Bolshevik Revolution or the former so former Soviet Union satellite states of Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Poland, East Germany.
I don't care which form it's taken.
The the Castro brothers, Venezuela, Chavez, it doesn't matter.
They promised the same thing.
We're going to take from one group of people, and we're going to take from the rich, we're going to give to the poor, and they always end up being more poor.
There's more poverty, there's more misery.
There ends up with and then it's a question in the end of how much of your freedom did you give up in the name of false security?
That is the path.
We have to, because they're in bed with them.
I mean, and the media.
I'm not saying all politicians, but the American people are the ones that are going to have to raise up to stop it.
Yeah, by the way, he's right.
Whoever said wishy-washy Republicans is right.
Yeah, we're back to wishy-washy Republicans.
You're not that's not wrong.
You know, what one of the reasons we have we speak so often about Reagan's, you know, is it a third party we need?
No, we needed a revitalized second party with no pale pastels, but bold colored differences.
Donald Trump gave the Republicans a backbone.
Donald Trump showed them a vision.
Not only a vision that we they could win, but the country wins.
Conservatism, I've not been wrong my whole career.
I've been right my whole career in terms of conservatism works If applied properly.
What is conservatism?
Lower taxes.
Trump did it.
Less bureaucratic regulation.
Trump did that too.
Securing our borders.
Trump got that done.
Energy independence.
How many years have we on this program talked about becoming energy independent?
For the first time in 75 years, Trump got that done.
We want originalists on the Supreme Court.
We want free trade, but we want fair trade.
He got that done with virtually every country we needed to negotiate with.
Then you add to that peace through strength.
We built up our military.
And yes, he didn't have to go to war with anybody.
Now we've got geopolitical foes that are looking at a weak, frail, and cognitively struggling, you know, Joe Biden.
And I think what they see is something called weakness.
You know, now we're gonna have a new Iranian deal.
Good God help us, right?
But what can we as individuals do?
Because we're the ones that have to stop it.
Washington's not gonna stop it.
They don't want to stop this good thing to regret.
The single most important thing now on our agenda item is to get a real election reform.
Now, the legislature in Georgia, the legislature in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin are Republican.
They need to reform voting.
We need to have voter ID, strict laws.
We have to have strict chain of chain of custody uh mandates for every state.
You've got to have very strict and and standards on on signature verification on if you're gonna vote mail in, if you're gonna vote absentee, we have to have the laws followed.
You can't just rewrite laws before elections the way this was done in Pennsylvania, or you can't just ignore laws like they did in Wisconsin and then other places.
You know, we're not gonna just put a million new drop boxes in random locations and not keep our eyeballs on them.
I don't trust people enough.
Well, I agree.
But I hope something can be h can change before Biden even gets in.
I mean, is it gonna go to the you know I think who is who's the guy in the background?
Would that be your husband?
Yes.
Okay, tell him you gotta contact all the weak Republicans because that's why they're not getting it done.
We've done that.
We've done that.
Yeah, what's your name, sir?
My name is Ken.
Canon?
Ken.
Ken.
Ken, okay.
Ken, by the way, you married way up with Sharon.
I'm just saying she's really out of your league.
We've been married for 60 years, Sean.
Oh, God bless you.
That's awesome.
Good for you guys.
Listen, I'm I I I agree with you.
I don't, you know, Republicans.
Remember, we before Trump, these Republicans, 65 show votes, repeal, replace Obamacare.
When the moment of truth came, they weren't ready and they wouldn't do it.
You know, seven Senate Republicans in 2015 had voted for straight repeal of Obamacare.
Seven of them changed their mind when it mattered, when it really mattered two years later, the exact same bill.
Right.
You know, look at how many Republicans ran from Trump the whole four years.
Oh, he's controversial.
Oh, he, you know, he speaks his mind.
Oh, he tweets.
Well, uh, I think America's gonna have buyers regret pretty quick missing the tweets that so greatly offended them.
They weren't offended by it.
It was feigned outrage.
You know, and all of this, this guy had to accomplish getting the crap kicked out of him every day by a corrupt deep state, people that abuse power, and literally a Democratic Party that never accepted the results of the 2016 election, and Republicans that are still to this day afraid of their own shadow.
I I have no use for them.
I really don't.
I, you know, we're either gonna fight to protect the gifts of this country or we're not.
And, you know, unfortunately, you know, a lot we we've discovered a lot that I never thought could happen in the last four years in this country.
You know, I'm not speaking for my, you know, it's my job, but it's not a job for me.
It's a vocation for me.
And that is, you know, just it took a lot of work exposing the deep state.
It took a lot of work exposing FISA abuse and the dirty dossier and everything that we discussed for such a long period of time.
It took a lot of work fighting back on the Ukrainian hoax.
You know, we have to now get out, energize, organize.
We have millions of us, seventy-four million of us, and you gotta find these guys that are worthy of your votes and put them in office.
I really don't have a lot of use for the Brian Kemps of the world.
Anyway, 800-941 Sean is our number.
You want to be a part of the program.
Thank you both, Ken and Sharon.
Uh let's say hi.
Uh Moses of New Joyce.
What's up, Moses?
How are you, sir?
Yeah, Sean.
You know, the one thing I wanted to talk about, Sean, like, you know, like just looking back at everything that's going on.
And, you know, you just touched upon it.
Donald Trump is basically the only one fighting.
He's giving the Republican Party a backbone.
And you know what?
Republicans, they don't necessarily have to fight aggressive.
What they need to do is just simply respond to the attacks being leveled against them against the Democrats.
You know, we had an unconstitutional impeachment.
You have Adam Schiff releasing phone records of other members of Congress, right?
You have Nancy Pelosi, she's holding up relief to the American people when it comes to like, you know, the um all these bills that they with when it comes to COVID and the response.
Like, you know, how are Republicans not saying to the American people, listen, when I vote no on a bill, this is what I'm voting no on.
Not on the bill itself or the deceiving name, but this paragraph, this is where your money's being spent, all the pork in these bills.
This is why I'm voting no.
And take away that talking point away from the Democrats.
You know, these Republicans have to go on all these mainstream media networks and stop having interviews and start having debates and expose them right to their face, the same way James O'Keefe is doing it.
Right now, Republicans, they're simply just too scared.
And they need to they need to take advantage of the backbone that Donald Trump has given them.
Win or lose.
Listen, the Republican Party needed a spine transplant.
And Donald Trump forged the path for them.
And many of them, you know, are running in a million other directions.
But there's I don't see anybody that can replace them, not even come close to it.
And if they don't learn the lessons, it's not Republicans that got voted for in this election, even down ballot.
It was it was the principles of what the president has been fighting for.
And that's America first.
That's less bureaucracy.
That's lower taxes.
That's originals on the court.
That's secure borders, that's energy independence.
It's all of the above.
Big time AJ Houston, Texas.
What's going on, baby?
What's going on, big time?
Big time Sean.
Hey, first of all, I want to thank all our troops and everybody that served.
And this is what they get.
This is what they fought and died for.
Is this what they protecting our country for?
The fraud and cheap that's going on in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
Is this it?
And is the Republicans going to sit around?
Um, you know, I ramble because I've been a while now.
They sit in the Republicans sit with a Republicans sitting around, ain't nobody saying nothing.
Ain't nobody getting but a few.
And we're gonna just let this election be stolen from us, the people like this.
I mean, I love we're gonna try to take Georgia them to Senate seats, but we won the White House, Sean, hands down, and these people know it.
They know it, and we can't let them get away with this.
If they get away with this, they're gonna get away with the other one.
So therefore, I'm urging everybody, everybody, get out and call the.
I mean, it ain't they look like they ain't even taking our calls.
They look like they ain't even paying attention to us.
But they need somebody need to get off the bazaki and get out there and call this out.
I mean, we got time, like you said.
We still got time.
And we ain't gonna give up into the fat lady saying, and I said it, and this just the way it is.
This is a joke what we it ain't no joke.
It's criminal what these Democrats have done to this election system.
It's ridiculous.
And the media, oh my God, thank God, Sean.
Uh I I'm gonna be nice.
I'm gonna be nice.
Uh, because of No, I'm the reason I'm letting you talk big time, AJ, because you're talking for a lot of people here.
You know, and you're expressing yourself extraordinarily well as always, like you always do.
And that is that we, you know, we all feel the same frustration.
I feel every bit of anger that you do.
And you know, there's just too many instances of this, and there's there's too been too casual of a an acceptance of it by by too many people that look I'm gonna be very blunt here.
You know, there's the Republican Party and then there's the conservative movement, the America First movement we'll call it.
And I'm not a Republican, I'm a conservative.
I'm part of I believe in America first.
I believe in all the things that the president did successfully to help this country get back on track and create jobs and end burden some bureaucracy, trade deals, borders, energy, you know, justices.
I mean, all of it.
And unfortunately, you know, the it's it's and I listen to this group of lunatics on the left that were protected by the mob.
I mean, it gets beyond frustrating to me.
I it's very hard knowing what we know and what we've discovered, uh, to see this happening in our country.
And everybody should be angered and outraged.
And you know what?
Half the country, as long as they get the result they want, they don't care.
They don't care.
Sad.
Right, Hannity, tonight, nine Eastern Fox News.
Uh, we'll load it up.
We're gonna do our whip around the different varying states and all of the the issues and legal challenges uh that the administration is going through.
We'll update you in Wisconsin with Ryan's Previs, the constitutional arguments with Alan Dershowitz, Newt Gingrich and Lindsey Graham, and Kaylee McEnaney.
Uh then we've got this Staten Island bar owner arrested.
Uh we'll tell you about what's going on in his case.
Uh, update you tonight, and his lawyer will join us all exclusively nine Eastern Hannity Fox News, set you DVR, see you tonight.
Thanks for being with us back here tomorrow.
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