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Uh there's gonna be the witnesses will take the stand out in Nevada.
And um we're gonna have full coverage of this tonight.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court.
Now they declined to take the case that I've been telling you about.
That's a very strong case based on if somebody wants a ballot, absentee or mail-in, they have a process and it's an application that must be signed on to.
Um, and it's interesting that they didn't flip.
All that happened is they said you got to go through the process, the court processes, you gotta go to the lower court first, but we're very interested.
Three of the seven are saying, yeah, yeah, this is merit here.
Don't uh we don't want people saying we're kicking this down on a lower court because it didn't have merit.
Uh so it was not sent down to a lower court because of the merits, just the opposite.
They believe there's a case there, and uh, and that the process has to be followed.
So then that is an important development.
Now there are also uh there's a lot going on in the state of Georgia today in hearings that have been going on there.
We have people in the courtroom.
Uh one of the things, Linda, we can bring people a little bit behind the scenes is since election day.
You know, we we've been we've been looking into all of this on a very deep level.
It's been pretty much a 24-7 job.
And one of the things that we were able to first discover was all these laws about partisan observers.
We've gone all over all of this in detail with you and dead people voting and votes being found in Georgia and the still found votes yesterday in New York.
I mean, it's it this is madness.
It's absolute madness.
And, you know, we're gonna bring back the the truck driver.
Remember this guy, Jesse that we had on.
He's the guy that drove hundreds of thousands of ballots from Beth Page, Long Island into, you know, uh Harrisburg and Lancaster P.A. Uh then we're also gonna talk to Ethan.
He's the guy in Wisconsin that, you know, was a U.S. Postal Service subcontractor.
And he uh he had a nightly uh run with the Postal Service, and then you know, interesting, he was shocked the day of election day.
He had no idea why, but they didn't have any ballots that day, but then the next day they're telling people to backdate ballots and send them in.
Well, in other words, change the postmark.
Well, that would be illegal just in and of itself.
And then it's you know, now you got more crimes on top of it.
If you're talking about ballots, uh that's over a hundred thousand votes.
That would change the election in Wisconsin.
You know, the numbers of people that we're talking about, for example, in the state of Nevada.
This is this is not a small amount of people.
They're talking about a hundred and thirty thousand seven hundred and nine illegal ballots they believe were cast in four separate categories.
And this is part of a real court hearing today where people will be sworn in uh under obviously penalty of perjury and giving sworn testimony and have to face cross-examination.
That begins out in Nevada.
Forty-two thousand two hundred and eighty-four people appeared to vote twice.
Uh when they cross-check the similar names, addresses, date of birth of uh to the record of who voted, and twenty-three thousand uh ballots were mailed in uh to mailed to voters with non-Novada addresses or people out of the 30-day residency requirement, and forty another 44,000 ballots were cast from commercial addresses, non-existent addresses, and vacant properties.
Wow.
Amazing.
And 1,506 voters deceased, but their ballots were all counted.
And they analyzed all of this.
And uh anyway, that that is all coming up in the case that's going on there.
So you got a lot of big news going on around the country.
And uh, and this is gonna be interesting by the time we get on Hannity, nine Eastern Tonight on the Fox News Channel.
So we'll also meet the truck driver again.
He's gonna give us more details.
Apparently, there's there's more evidence.
I'm not sure if they're ready to share it.
Now there is a video today.
Linda, why don't you explain it?
Because I think you do a better job of explaining it than I do.
And there's more videos and screenshots now that we have that will show on Hannity tonight, but explain it.
There's a lot of video that's happening today.
I think the first thing that you know the the general public needs to be aware is that despite the fact that your mainstream media is not running all of these amazing hearings, and we're talking about it for you here on radio, these hearings are happening.
You're you're you're you know, you're your fellow citizens.
Why is this different than us vetting Obama or doing what's going on?
No, it's always used.
It's always us, and everybody's saying, Oh, I can't believe you're doing that.
And then you know, a year later, it's like, oh yeah, you were right, you know.
Although they never say it out loud.
Can you just tell people what have I been saying privately behind the scenes to everybody?
Where are the people?
How many times have you heard me say, where are they?
I need to talk to them.
Affidavits are fine.
You're telling us what's in the affidavit.
Can we talk to the real people?
These people that we're putting on TV and radio every day, they are compelling.
The the their stories are all compelling.
And you know, when you actually hear it, how many times did I say we need to talk to the people?
How many?
A lot.
You're very you say things a lot.
Yeah, I do.
I do kind of repeat myself.
But uh the point, but I do it on purpose because I'm like, this is critical.
When you can put a face to an affidavit, a legal affidavit signed under the penalty with the penal under the penal threat of a penalty of perjury.
Let me tell you something.
I don't think you're gonna have uh can you get maybe 15 hardcore politicos that would lie because they want a certain result.
I think you can get some.
But see, but see here's the thing that that I think is is being missed, not by you, but some but by so many.
You know, you're talking about this new tape that we have today.
So in Georgia, they're having Senate committee hearings to talk to all of these various people that had these very strange experiences, you know, and irregularities and anomalies, and you're not allowed to see this, and you can't do that.
And these are people that have done have run voting in Georgia for years.
You know, they they volunteer their time or they get paid a small salary, and they believe it's their civic duty to go and help people vote and cast their vote for their for their candidate.
And all of a sudden they're not allowed to be poll challengers, poll observers, they can't get in.
And then they plead video today in the hearing, and it shows that these people are scanning in ballots, it's from a suitcase underneath the table.
There's no one around, there's no observers, there's nobody overseeing anything.
And they actually played it in front of the Georgia Oversight Committee.
And they're like, here is what's happening.
This is what's going on.
I got an affidavit from a guy who's been doing independent uh election research for 20 years in the state of Georgia.
He doesn't have you know his foot in either camp, you know, blue or red.
You know, he's kind of like right down the middle.
And he's like, I have proof that I'm going to present today in my affidavit, my signed affidavit that says that I've been doing this for 20 years, and I have proof of you know, votes being switched.
However, many, it doesn't matter.
You know, there are people, their votes matter, and it's it's like they just don't want them to matter.
The only ones that matter are the ones that they, you know, fraudulently put in.
And they're, I mean, they're destroying evidence, they're getting rid of evidence.
There are trucks that are shredding hard drives, there are trucks that are shorting laptops.
I mean, you look anywhere on social media.
I mean, if it's on Twitter or your YouTube or Facebook before they take it down, Paul or in Rumble, there's tons of videos.
There's tons of people putting out this information.
And you have this girl Melissa Carone, who was on our show the other day, and she's you know, having this explained.
we've got to get deeper and support these other big tech companies.
Let me just finish this one thought.
She says to the to the gentleman that you know, asking her the question from the day is she she says, I'm sorry, I signed an affidavit, you know, that I would go to prison if I lied, you know, and you did you?
And he just looks at her like, uh oh.
You know, no, I didn't.
You know, it's Christina did that.
No, that was Melissa Carone in Michigan.
Okay, though she's great too.
Well, the the point is, though, is that now that you know we we only go with the things that we can independently verify in this program, and which is why, you know, we we did focus on Dominion.
We did focus on, you know, you never have the media and liberal Democrats like Warren and Wyden and Klobuchar, and conservatives from Texas, like the Secretary of State, uh and and AG, uh, all ever agreeing.
They did on Dominion and the Princeton professor is an expert.
They all agreed that there's there's problems, and then you have to ask yourself, why would we ever use it?
And you know, I'm I'm still waiting.
I know that they they have people, and you've actually talked to some of them that are that can't speak publicly and haven't signed affidavits yet, but they want to, but they're afraid.
Yeah, they're going to sign affidavits and they're going to do that, but there's a lot of people who are on the inside and they basically are trying to get the information to us in a way where they're still able to, you know, feed their family and pay their mortgage.
And and that's the choice.
What's the real concern?
And that's a real concern.
So once they put their pension.
I'm not being critical.
I just think but I think the audience needs to know that.
You know, when somebody says, No, I can't give that to you right now, you know.
Think about if you were the person that was giving the evidence.
If you were the person who was going to put their name out there like Jesse or Ethan or the getting the crap kicked out of them, and you know, that's kind of we signed up for that world.
Let's be honest.
We get that every day.
But I signed up for that.
You signed up for that.
You know, that's the fact that you have a microphone in front of you.
You sign up for it.
It's absolutely to be you know, legal observers that were never allowed to observe the, you know, we discovered the laws first.
It was we that was one of the first deep dives we got into law, and we just said, Oh my God, it's partisan observers.
Get to get to watch and start to finish, blah, blah, blah.
You know, went through all those different laws.
And then I'm like, well, those laws weren't followed.
Well, you know, to me, that was a much bigger deal than it was to other people.
All right, so we're we're looking at all of this.
But for example, Ethan, the truck uh Jesse, the truck driver is going to tell you about, you know, he transported 280,000 ballots from Beth Page, New York to Pennsylvania.
Uh Ethan, the postal service subcontractor who picked up a load, didn't pick up one up on election day, but the next day they were talking, they wanted the these ballots backdated.
How many?
A hundred thousand he's talking about.
And you have the the court cases moving forward.
You know, and a lot of people aren't paying attention, but you know, today's December 3rd.
It's one month ago uh today that the election took place, but in a month and two days, then you're gonna have the Senate runoff.
Uh anybody that is telling people in Georgia, by the way, not to involve yourself, do not listen to them.
That is bad advice.
That is really dangerous advice.
You know, there's a story on Fox News today how the Stacy Abrams group is now under investigation for voter fraud.
By the way, a woman that is praised by Democrats, she never conceded her 2018 loss in the gubernatorial race, and she's heralded as a hero.
People say, well, Donald Trump is not gonna concede.
I said, Well, he's just following Stacy Abrams' uh lead.
Uh, but the the Georgia Secretary of State, one decent thing he's done, he should have he should get rid of these stupid drop boxes that nobody's watching, chain of command and and chain of custody are big issues when you're talking about voting ballots.
Uh, and of course, the the dual the signature verification systems that he allowed and agreed to, that was dumb.
And again, the governor could call a special session, has been unwilling to do so, but people out there cannot allow that to influence whether they're gonna go out and vote in the sense these senatorial races.
This is too important.
I mean, it's all on the line in Georgia.
Anyway, but they are investigating these groups, including America votes and vote forward and the new Georgia project funded by Abrams, previously chaired by uh the Senate candidate Raphael Warnock, who's got some pretty extreme radical views.
And anyway, this idea of registering individuals who are ineligible to vote in the runoff or encouraging people to move to Georgia.
If you're there 30 days, you have a legal right to vote.
Uh yeah, that will be investigated, and when that happens, people are going to be arrested.
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Uh now, the Trump campaign, uh, just to update you for today, uh a judge granting the Trump campaign access to look at the testing material that were used to test the voting machines.
The other side has been stonewalling.
Judge will up likely ask why today.
We expect that, and they won't why, you know, why they wouldn't give access.
Trump campaign arguing Nevada, there are more stringent rules for gaming and voting and irregularities that need to be looked into regard to signature match voting machines.
The judge will look at the motion to dismiss from the other side.
Uh I don't think it's going to be granted.
Uh the Trump campaign has listed 31 witnesses, three are experts, witness experts that testified today.
Some there are Jane Does who've asked to testify privately for security reasons.
Uh, you have a Washington Examiner piece out today.
Again, we talked about the video tape now that has emerged in Georgia that we'll show you tonight.
Uh we're efforting the uh an attempt to get this video that apparently now exists.
Key Native American leaders, according to the Washington Examiner, working with the Biden campaign, uh offered tribal members and associates visa gift cards, jewelry, other quote, swag to vote in the presidential election, according to several videos being used by the Trump campaign's effort to challenge out in Nevada.
One long video, officials from Reno, Sparks Indian Colony are shown offering a raffle for gift cards and values of 2500 bucks, 250, 500 to those who can prove they voted.
Uh other gifts include bracelets, necklaces, earrings, t-shirts, masks, and if you come here to vote or if you're voted already, uh Reno Colony is having a raffle.
Said their spokesperson and one spokeswoman in one of the videos.
Uh also saying there are a lot of great things uh to push you guys to get out there to vote and challenge you to get out there to vote in the same video she's shown wearing a Biden Harris anti uh uh Biden Harris antivirus mask and in front of a Biden Harris campaign bus.
And that is apparently gonna be shown out in Carson City and out in Nevada in that case in that challenge out there in their briefing paper.
The campaign referred to a Native American votes for dollars scandal, and a shocking number of states have discovered the groups claiming to support the Native American community have engaged in uh what would be yeah, illegal, that might be called bribery.
Anyway, uh we'll see if that comes emerges today.
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So we went over the Wisconsin uh Supreme Court decision.
They just they were very, very clear they were not basing a decision uh to push this down to a lower court today, uh based on anything to do with the merit of the lawsuit.
Actually, quite the contrary, three of the seven, you know, seem to indicate, yeah, this seems to be a real case here, and another, you know, indicating you just have to follow the process.
So that would be four of seven, potential majority.
Uh then we've got the legal case that is now in gonna be an open court with witnesses later this afternoon in in Nevada that we're following.
Uh we are now watching the hearings that have been going on all day in Georgia.
We're following that.
Well, again, we're gonna have updates on all of these tonight at by nine o'clock Eastern on Hannity on Fox, both in Nevada and in Georgia now, videotapes uh have emerged that are beyond interesting.
Uh in one case in in Georgia, uh Linda will tweet it out, but you got footage from Georgia showing suitcases that are filled with ballots pulled from under a table after supervisors told workers to leave the room.
Four people four people stayed behind to keep counting votes.
Whoopsie Daisy.
Apparently, uh Linda, there's another tape as well where uh that we know newly acquired surveillance tape from the state farm arena in Georgia.
Uh also apparently after people have been sent home, there's a feverish counting of ballots.
I don't know if that has been released yet, but I've been told that that tape exists in reality, and that is gonna also be released.
And videotape out of uh now Nevada that we're we're looking at that's gonna be apparently presented this afternoon.
We expect uh about a vote buying scheme.
Washington examiner describes it as key Native American leaders working with the Biden campaign, and we're just I was going through uh all of that new information.
So uh it's uh it's it's just you know a pretty amazing developments when you think of it.
Now, in the course of this program today, we have a lot of a lot of witnesses, again, all of them have signed affidavits that'll be on this program today, all of them uh under the penalty of perjury, and this is what's so fascinating about all of them.
We've been hearing from the media.
Uh, okay, show us the evidence.
Show us the proof.
Show us the evidence.
Show us the proof.
Well, you know, let me go through this for the dumb people that are liberal out there that may not understand how the system works.
When somebody looked there, and I didn't finish this thought earlier.
There might be some people that are just pure politics that for partisan purposes, do I think they'd be capable of signing a false affidavit, knowing that they're lying for the purpose of benefiting their political point of view.
I I do believe there are some people that'll do anything in life and cheat anywhere they can.
I do believe that.
It's a dumb thing to do.
Um, it's like people, friends of mine, you know, ask me all the time about taxes.
How do you say I'm like, yeah, you gotta pay them.
I said you take all your legal deductions, then you gotta pay.
And if you don't, you're really stupid because you're now opening up a legal vulnerability in your life that's you know, whatever the amount of money you gotta ask yourself, is it worth it?
The answer is no.
And by the way, I I just happen to know um, you know, a lot of dumb people that have not taken this stuff seriously, and and even sm uh otherwise smart people.
And, you know, I always tell you know, my financial guys are like, I don't want to be a broke athlete uh in the course of my life, if I'm making some money and I can save it, I want to save it.
And I'm saying it in a nice way, but you know, I know they've managed, you know, sometimes athletes think their careers are going on forever, and it doesn't, they spend and spend and spend and buy homes and cars and they're generous as can be, but then they end up, you know, at the end of their career, they don't have anything.
And it's it's sad because you only have X number of years your body can take being beaten up on a football field or a hockey rink or in the octagon.
So, you know, but the same thing goes for you know, other financial endeavors, you know, people want to take shortcuts.
I'm like, I don't like to pay my taxes, I don't like the laws.
I I want to fight to change them all, and I can't stand what's about to happen to the country if Joe Biden ever becomes president, and you know, then the states like New York, you have Como saying, Yeah, we're gonna probably raise taxes higher than California.
Okay, that is an invitation, leave the state, just leave.
And you already see the mass exodus out of New York City and state, and it's only gonna get bigger.
They're chasing people away.
And, you know, it's not a it's not a good idea.
But you gotta follow laws, and but so when you we're dealing with, okay, maybe a dozen people, two dozen people that would be willing to lie.
I I'd believe that's possible because people can be stupid.
People break laws all the time.
I'm like, you know, I used to have a heavy foot.
I don't want to speed anymore because I don't want to ever hurt anybody.
So I try not to.
You know, I pay attention to it.
Um try and keep my devices away from me anytime I'm in a car because they're just too distracting.
We've all had that experience.
You're trying to text and drive or whatever, look at a text.
You know, you could very easily take your eyes off the road.
Don't do it.
It's a dumb idea.
They ought to have these kill switches that phones can't work in cars, if you want to know my take on it.
Um, and so, you know, certain things that you do just to be smart.
Just like I've said, you know, I'm not against the masks for the short period of time, so we can go to baseball games and football games, and also, you know what?
I'm not really worried about corona for me.
I'm just not.
How many scares have we had in the course of this thing?
A lot.
And, you know, where you know, you just it's happened to many of us.
But, you know, I'm more I would be more concerned about ever passing it on to an innocent person, an older person, or maybe somebody who was more likely to get sick with a pre-existing condition, grandma, grandpa, whoever's in your life, mom, dad, you know, there is that percentage of people that are that this thing sticks to.
Now it's not the vast majority, thank God.
It's not young people by a long shot.
It can happen with young people, very, very rare.
And you just make good decisions in life.
Anyway, so I would think when you have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of signed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury, you're not gonna get that many people to lie.
There's not that many people that would do that.
And if they would, they're dumb.
That would be dumb.
They're not helping anybody by ever doing that.
Uh, but I don't think I actually think just the opposite.
I think it's actually hard for for people that have been coming forward that know the penalty if they were to lie, but they feel compelled to tell the truth because they believe in law and order and free and fair uh elections, and they saw things or were treated in such horrific ways and laws were being violated, they feel compelled to talk.
And we're gonna talk to a number of them in the course of today's show.
Just like we're gonna talk to a number of them on TV tonight, because that would actually be called evidence.
If you're in a court of law, let's say it's a murder case, and you have one eyewitness.
I saw this guy walk up behind this old lady, put the gun to the back of her head and pull the trigger and Kill this person in cold blood.
Now that's the only let's say the gun was never recovered.
Let's say there's no other forensic evidence available.
But the testimony, is that the person?
Yes, I see it clearly.
Have any doubt?
Okay, then you get cross-examine.
A jury can convict, send somebody to jail for the rest of their life, or even the given the death penalty based on the testimony of an eye witness.
That's evidence presented in a court of law.
You know, liberal media, the mob has been where's the evidence.
By the way, I'm I've been frustrated.
I'm not gonna lie, because we had the affidavits.
We were bringing Kaylee McEnaney on TV every night.
We've been covering the story here.
We've been looking at everything that we can confirm, we've confirmed.
I mean, we've we've gone through a lot of this in in great detail, and and we talked about all of this uh because it's it's been important, but you know, we always are independent and forge our own way, and I have to for my own, you know, my own integrity, and I insist on on vetting everything with my teams, my radio team, my TV teams, and sometimes we were a little slow.
Wouldn't you say how many times do you remember, Linda?
We had the story, we had you know, we had two sources independently confirming it, but we'd still wait sometimes.
Remember, we would say just oh yeah, I remember.
And you were my favorite thing is that the one that was the most you were the one that was usually most annoyed, true or false.
Oh, always right, because you felt I was uh being at times maybe too cautious, right?
Yeah, I would say that's an understatement, but sure.
But but but in the end, we did get everything right, didn't we?
Yes, we didn't.
I listen, I default to you.
You have you know, we have to follow our gut, you typically do, and and you're right sometimes, a lot of times.
But okay, I'm right more than something.
We're always right.
We were never wrong on Obama the.
No, I didn't mean on the issues, I just mean on waiting.
Because sometimes I would have split the difference, you know, I wouldn't wait at quite a bit of a lot of people.
Sometimes but but you we ended up making sure that everything on the phony Russia collusion thing was true.
We first started vetting Biden family corruption when we first we had the first interview with Peter Schweitzer.
And that guy's amazing.
I mean, with the work that GI does, forget about it.
You know, Secret Empires, we we interviewed him, we had the first interview on radio and the first interview on TV in 2018.
We've been all over this.
The media didn't do quid pro quote Joe and Zero Experience Hunter in Ukraine, and they ignored it.
They ignored Hillary's dossier.
They ignored the Pfizer warrants based on the phony dossier.
You know, they ignored all of the abuse of power and corruption.
They ignored quid pro quo Joe and Zero Experience Hunter and and Biden family uh corruption and the China deal and the Ukraine deal and the Kazakhstan deal and the Russia deal.
They ignored it all.
And we the Project Veritas has the you know tapes that there is the fearless leader of fake news CNN bragging, we're not gonna cover that Biden family story.
I bet if it's Trump they're covering it, I mean just shows how phony and abusively biased they all are.
But so, you know, sometimes it takes us a little bit longer.
I I I but I've been as frustrated as many of you because we've been unpeeling the onion about okay, this is what we can tell you about Dominion.
And we're we actually have a lot of other information, but we can't Linda, you even agree on this that we just aren't ready to go with it yet.
You know, we're we're in the process of doing our due diligence, which it takes time, unfortunately.
And you know, this whole process has been frustrating, waiting to hear from real people behind the real legal affidavits signed under penalty of perjury is is I've been wanting to interview the the people for a long time, and now that we are interviewing them, they're just like everything else that we do independently.
They're their stories have been compelling.
And it's all over the place.
Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, you know, now out in Arizona and elsewhere.
It is it is beyond, you know, compelling.
You know, the media does what they always do.
They, you know, we we learned we were the ones that found the laws about partisan observers legally in the statutory language in every one of these states allowed to observe in the entire vote counting process.
You know, chain of custody if ballots is not being followed in Georgia, signature verification issues.
We discovered all that.
You know, all the new ballots that were just pulled out of thin air here, there, and everywhere.
You know, Democrats trying to unilaterally in Pennsylvania change the law and extend the counting of votes of of late votes with without postmarks.
You know something, Sean?
You know what I think is something that we should talk about?
We haven't actually talked about it at all.
What is we have no receipt for our vote, right?
So, like you take your paycheck.
A friend of mine said this to me the other day, and I was like, man, that is such a great analogy.
It's like you take your paycheck.
If you're going to put in the ATM machine, you take a look at it, it screenshots it for you, you approve it, and you get a receipt that you put this money into this machine on this day at this time, and this is how much you put in, and this is your balance, right?
But imagine if somebody said, Oh, yeah, we're not going to give you any of that confirmation.
You're just going to put it in.
You go, I'm not doing that.
That's crazy.
That's exactly what you do with your vote.
You go, you take the time, you fill it out, you do everything right, then you put it in a machine, you have absolutely no idea where it goes.
Listen, here's one other thing.
There's a reason they don't use these machines in Canada.
There's a reason.
You know, and look, look at like the Wisconsin case, which I explained in detail, or look at the case in Nevada, which I've explained in detail.
Look at the case that they're trying to get in the U.S. Supreme Court.
Uh, Ted Cruz did the best summary of this of anybody, and I know the great one did too also, uh, Mark Levin.
Pennsylvania Constitution requires in-person voting, except in narrow defined circumstances.
The pat the Pennsylvania legislature legislature passed a law that you know purportedly allows universal mail-in voting.
Problem is the Constitution expressly prohibits it.
That's now a legal constitutional issue.
That's a real issue.
Just like if you in the state of Wisconsin, you have to sign an actual application before you get handed an absentee ballot.
Hundreds of thousands of people didn't follow the legal process.
That's a problem.
You know, so we we literally now are watching and following all of this, and it's now beginning to get very real.
Now, I I'm I'm not even gonna venture what the possible outcome is here.
I'm just not going there.
I'm just saying we're gonna pursue facts and truth.
You know, the Georgia Senate is is states they're holding their hearing fraud hearings today.
It's powerful what's going on.
We'll have it all, you know, summed up for you tonight.
Um just crazy stuff, and it's sad.
It's it breaks my heart to be honest, that you know, all of this can happen in the U.S. Hearing from real people like they're cool people, they're fellow Americans, they're awesome Americans.
And you could just tell that, you know, they're they're in a state of shock, and that many of them were treated horribly just for doing like a civic duty and taking time out of their busy day and volunteering to do this.
They're not getting paid.
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All right, glad you're with us, 800 nine-four one Sean.
If you want to be a part of this extravaganza, we're following cases now all over the country today.
Uh and I'll tell you everything is now changed dramatically.
Now that the people behind the affidavits that we've been telling you with exist and what they've been saying, it's just not as powerful as real people that sign real affidavits under penalty, the threat of penalty of a perjury, or these these witnesses that'll be sworn in in Nevada later.
Um, and we'll have full coverage of that tonight.
And this video that exists apparently that the Washington Examiner's talking about in terms of uh uh uh Native American group out in uh leaders working with the Biden campaign out in the state of Nevada, and then the Georgia video that I told you were going to air tonight, and then Georgia having hearings in the Senate uh today that have been blockbuster.
We'll give you full update and report there.
Uh then we have the Wisconsin Supreme Court decision, and it was they were very clear.
We are not making, we're not kicking this to a lower court based on the merits.
No, we just that's what the process the law calls for.
Actually, we do see merit pretty much three of the seven, and one was just saying, no, you just got to follow the process.
So a lot of progress, that coupled with the Pennsylvania case, which I've gone into detail, kind of like the Wisconsin case, where in Pennsylvania, constitutional law was not followed.
It's clear.
The same thing, the Constitution does not allow all these mail-in ballots.
The state legislature did something that was unconstitutional.
Well, that'd be the same thing in Wisconsin, and that is that if you want to apply for an absentee ballot, you have to sign for it, and hundreds of thousands did not.
And there's a court case, there's precedence there that they ruled in favor of what the Trump campaign is arguing in this court.
That is fascinating.
Anyway, former Speaker of the House, Duke Gingrich is with us.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing well, and I have to say, as a historian, uh, I am astonished and fascinated by how this thing just keeps opening up and opening up and opening up, and every day there's something new, some new witness, uh, some new insight, some new revelation, not just in one or two states, but you know, across the country.
I mean, this is truly uh I think without any question, there are more election questions in 2020 than any election in American history.
It's a it's astonishing.
How could it not be when we've never had this level of mail on ballots?
Now, when there was the Baker Carter Commission in 2005 and they released their findings, they were very clear.
The New York Times has been very clear.
Anyone that has a brain, frankly, understands that potential vote uh vote fraud potential rises dramatically when you have all these mail and ballots.
But now we know all of these laws were not followed now.
And I and I'm listening to these whistleblowers, these witnesses, one after there are hundreds and hundreds of them, and it's blowing me away.
Well, and my guess is there's gonna be more and more because you know what the real key to this kind of breakdown is the first couple of people have to have a lot of courage because they're alone.
And then there are a few more people, and then there are a few more people, and all of a sudden it gets to be really easy to continue down this road.
And I think that's what you're seeing happen now, uh, is that uh there's just a real breakthrough in terms of uh what's going on.
Uh and that I I wouldn't be at all surprised the next week to see even more witnesses, even more affidavits, even more videos, uh, and it's just gonna keep growing for a while.
Did you see the videos that were released in in your beloved state of of Georgia?
I mean, it's it's pretty unbelievable.
Um video footage, Georgia showing suitcases filled with ballots, Newt, pulled from under a table after supervisors told poll poll workers to leave the room.
Four people stayed then behind to count the ballots they took out of the suitcases.
Oh, yeah.
This is you know, I mean you have uh, of course, the the eyewitnesses who've now sworn affidavits about putting entire truckloads of ballots across the state line.
By the way, that that driver is is joining us in the next half hour.
Well, and think and think about the risk that that driver's taking.
I mean, you know, there's really a an effort to bully the country into shutting up.
it's all hostile, and it's basically trying to say, don't tell the truth, as opposed to, gosh, look at all the witnesses.
Maybe we should really be investigating this.
You know, I I call I'll I'll bring people into our private relationship for a second here in terms of you know, you've always been the historian in this relationship, not me, and you're the the professor in the relationship, not me, because that's that's actually your real passion and your real love.
And I called you one one day, maybe it was one night, I think I might have woke you up.
I forgot what time you were on.
Um and I I was I was telling you how frustrated I am that we weren't hearing from the people, but just that well, this is coming, this is coming, this is coming, and and it's certainly powerful when people sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury, but then when you actually hear from the real person, and it's not one person, it's hundreds and hundreds of them in every single state that we're talking about.
Well, you can imagine what we're going through is the equivalent of a national zero, in which the American people is the jury, you know, you you hear the first five, you think, well, that's kind of strange.
You hear the next 15 or 20, you start to think, gee, maybe something's there.
What do you do when there are 300, 400, 500?
What do you do when there are videos from multiple states?
I mean, at what point do you just break and say, you know, this is totally wrong and it has to be fixed.
And I think the country is moving in that direction despite every effort of the left-wing propaganda media to stop it.
I think the country's talking to itself, and that's why you're seeing more and more people show up as witnesses who you know who love the country more than they're afraid of being uh isolated.
You know, um I'm looking at this, and here's the sad part for me is that yeah, you look at all the states that get this right.
And and I made this point very early on.
I think we were the first show to find I actually spent the time and I had my team Linda remembers my I was I was adamant one day that I wanted the laws in every state about uh the ability of partisan observers to to observe the process, and every state had the word partisan observers shall have the right to observe the counting from start to finish, absentee ballots, you know, voting machine ballot, everything.
And that no state actually enforced that law.
Nothing nobody, people testifying under oath, signing affidavits that they were six, twenty, a hundred feet away, or not even allowed in at all, one person after another.
Now these people are telling how horribly if you're a Republican partisan observer, you were treated and kicked out of rooms and not allowed in the door, and one person for for eighty counting tables, and you, you know, you can nobody can read anything from six feet away or twenty feet away.
And it's it's unbelievable the the abuse that was was handed out to people that volunteer to ensure integrity in our elections, and it's everywhere.
It is on a mass scale.
Now the most fascinating statistical thing I see is well, you know, I didn't know Joe Biden was this popular, Mr. Speaker, because he got 15 million more votes than Obama and 15 million more than Hillary in 2016.
And Hillary actually outperformed Joe Biden with minorities in every major city, except Milwaukee, except Detroit, except Philadelphia, except Fulton County, Georgia, except in Nevada.
Now, I don't know.
I'm just saying what a what a wonderful great coincidence for him, you know, that oh, he magically pops to these these dramatic percentages above Obama and what Hillary got with minority voters, just in those key cities.
well you know first of all i don't think any serious person believes that that's true there That uh that Biden somehow got 10 million more votes uh than Barack Obama did.
But beyond that, I think you have to really raise a question about the whole underlying structure.
I mean, all these machines, you know, we've had 10 or 15 years now of a steady decay in the integrity of our elections.
And we've seen tremendous efforts by the left to make sure that you couldn't know who the person was, you couldn't guarantee the identity, you couldn't ask for a for a photo ID.
Uh just go down the list.
And then we have machines that are operating through Barcelona, Spain, to Frankfurt, Germany, and now we're running all sorts of weird things about the machines.
I mean, how could the United States turn the children of its elected leaders over to a series of systems uh that are this clearly weird?
I mean, they may or may not be corrupt, they're clearly weird, and it makes no sense.
And I think it's calling on all of us to to insist on an honest election program, and I think in the next two years, this will be one of the major reform movements in the country.
Uh, I do agree with you, and it doesn't unfortunately, you know, help in this election, and the damage is done, you know, and then you have states that are desperately like Georgia.
You love Georgia, that are desperately trying to destroy and shred the hard drives of these machines.
Now, they had problems in the primary.
You never see the liberal media, liberals like Elizabeth Warren, Klobuchar Wyden, uh, conservatives like the Secretary of State AG of Texas, uh, and a liberal tenured professor that's a uh voting machine expert, all agree on one thing.
They all agreed on the Dominion machines.
Um let's go to your state of Georgia.
We got in one month and two days, these two Senate runoff races, and I am very concerned whether or not, and you know Georgia as well as anybody.
We that's where we first well, we actually met in Alabama, but we had four wonderful years there together when you became Speaker.
And I love Georgia, and I love the people of Georgia.
And I'm just worried that that Stacey Abrams pack machine that's being investigated, uh, apparently, according to the Secretary of State, that nothing's changed.
Nothing.
The governor refuses to call the special session.
These hearings today are blockbuster there.
Well, look, I I I think that, and I've said this today over several different occasions.
Every conservative in Georgia owes it to America to show up and vote for Senator Purdue and Senator Loffler.
I mean, no one should kid themselves about what's at stake here.
If you end up with two radicals, and and my newsletter on Friday uh describes um San Francisco John Ostaf and explains why I use that term.
Now, their first fundraiser going into the runoff was in San Francisco.
He's raised more money in California than he has in Georgia.
Uh he is totally committed to the Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, left-wing worldview.
And of course, Warnock is even more radical.
So nobody should be confused about this.
This is this is the most important runoff election in American history.
It will decide the entire shape of the next four years.
Uh, and it is vital that conservatives turn out.
I'll also tell you, because I spend time on this every single day, uh, I had a very good briefing today from the Republican National Committee, which has brought in some real professionals to begin to work on the whole issue of ballot security and making sure that this thing is done correctly.
And I feel a little better tonight that we finally have first class people actually focused on making sure that we get an honest count.
But but I think nobody should kid themselves.
Any conservative who stays home is helping Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and the radicals take control of America.
Listen, we both have a mutual friend, Matt Towery.
Uh another guy, uh, the two polsters that got right got it right in 2016 and 20, Matt Towery and Robert Cahale, they're both from Georgia.
They're both telling me they think the Republicans are underdogs, both of them.
Well, I I think they're I think they're underdogs, but I think they'll win in the end because I think the the reality is when you look at how radical Warnick is probably probably The most radical person ever nominated by a major star party for the Senate.
And then you look at how Ossip is essentially the wholly owned creature of San Francisco and Silicon Valley.
And in his um special election, he got something like 88% of his money in the last two months came from outside Georgia.
This guy has no relationship to Georgia.
And so I think it is really, really important that we focus on uh getting this thing done.
Well, the president's going down there this weekend.
It should be fascinating to watch, huh?
All right, Mr. Speaker, by the way, thanks for talking me off the ledge the one night because I was getting so so uh so mad we weren't actually hearing from the people yet, but we're now hearing from them, finally.
All right, 800 nine 800 941 Sean.
Now that truck driver who took the ballots from Long Island to Pennsylvania, he's he's gonna be back, Jesse, and also the United States Postal Service contractor that is uh signed an affidavit, about a hundred thousand votes.
Uh the post uh postal service was uh saying they need to uh change the the date.
Um the postmark uh will join us, and then three other here uh not here say real whistleblowers and um and eyewitnesses that signed affidavits will be joining us.
They're they'll speak in their own words, tell you what they saw.
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All right, 25 till the top of the hour, 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, uh let me go to another Pennsylvania poll watcher talking about voting irregularities uh there.
I want to remind you that the testimony in court today, Nevada eyewitnesses is taking place.
Uh we'll have full coverage tonight, nine Eastern on Hannity News you won't get anywhere else from the media mob.
Uh also we're following the state of Georgia today.
We have a huge update on the uh the now the Supreme Court of Wisconsin didn't take the case, but they said, oh yeah, we're really interested in this case, but you got to just follow the process and go through the lower court first.
Uh very favorable uh my read of it all, and Ryan's previous will update us.
I told you that was a real case.
Um, but here's uh Greg Stenstrom, uh a Pennsylvania poll watcher talking about the uh irregularities that he saw.
And then we had a in addition to having a forensically destructive process, the uh all all custody seats are gone now as well.
And as of today, there's uh over, excuse me, as of the today, uh there were 47 U.S. B sticks missing, and now we understand there's 64 U.S. B sticks missing, which comprises thousands of votes, which are now in question.
All right, joining us now, we bring back to the program Jesse and Ethan.
They're ballot fraud whistleblowers.
They were United States Postal Service subcontractors who saw a lot of the irregularities surrounding the election and ballots on election day surrounding it.
And uh anyway, uh they're talking about witnesses in the form of again affidavits, video interviews, uh that is now being used uh by this uh Amistad uh project that I've been telling you about and their litigation about you know election integrity, how to uphold laws in key states.
Uh anyway, Jesse, thank you for being with us.
Welcome back to the program and Ethan, thank you.
Uh thank you.
Thanks for having me again.
I appreciate it.
Um's my day.
My days are very stressful.
If you really care, if you want a real answer how are you doing?
You know how people say, how are you?
And I'm like, do you really care?
No most of us ask the question.
We don't want to hear my days suck, but uh they're just busy but like you like all of yours.
Why don't I go back?
I want to you let's just remind people, Jesse, of your story and then we'll eat them we'll let you do the same thing because I think it's important because there's been a lot of reaction to both of them.
Jesse.
Yeah, there has been a lot of reactions.
I kind of just kind of stay off of everything.
I see what people show me, but I just kind of stay off.
You know, I've been the day, stay level-headed.
What I do is I have people that reach out to me, like through Messenger and stuff, and send me messages and let me know that, you know, appreciate what I'm doing and whatnot.
I don't know.
It's been a wild few weeks for me here, brother, I tell you that much.
Yeah, well, explain, but give more specifics.
Go through your day that day.
So that day, whenever everything happened, everything started out normal.
It was a normal day.
I went to Lancaster, picked up my tractor, drove over, got my trailer, secured my load.
And so I picked up my trailer, got my slip, and off I rolled to Best Page, New York.
I got there.
I checked in with security.
I went and dropped my trailer in the door.
I walked in.
That's when everything got weird.
I went over.
I gave the lady, the expediter, my slip.
And whenever I gave her my slip, she said, hey, guess what?
She's like, you have mail-in ballots that you're taking back today.
And I said, what?
And she's like, you have a bunch of mail-in ballots that you're taking back today.
And I was like, oh, really?
And she's like, yeah.
I was like, that's pretty cool, you know, like sweet.
I thought I was doing something for like the election, you know?
And well, anyways, so anyways, I go to the trailer and I watch them unload it.
And then I watch them bring ballots in.
And the first two ballots were for Lancaster.
They were kind of tall, tall ballots.
Hold on a second.
And they're kind of tall ballots.
And you know they're for Lancaster also because on the front of them, they have these white placards or piece of paper.
It says Lancaster.
Then there's a scan code there where they, when they take it off, they can scan it in when it gets to its destination.
So they're in there.
They're kind of tall.
And, yeah, and so anyways, I take them off or they put them on.
then the next pallets um there's a by the way let me let me just if I made Jesse and you're you're looking at the pallets and then Beth Page Long Island used to say I'm I'm look yeah I watched all of them go in I watch all of them go in just because I like to see how my trailer is secured or loaded.
Yeah, you've got to load it the right way.
Right?
Yep.
I do that just because I don't want to load it heavy on one side or heavy loaded in the back or in the front.
Right, you've got to do it the right way.
Trucking is a lot more complicated than I think people know, and everything we get is because you guys work and deliver everything we have in every store and everything that comes to our homes.
But I want to ask you this.
But when you saw them loading ballots, Pennsylvania voting ballots in Bethpage, New York, did that not right away raise in your head, what the hell is this?
No, it honestly got it thin because I don't know the process.
It didn't raise anything.
I didn't think about it at all.
To be honest, I was excited that I was doing something to help out the election.
I was like, that's what I was thrilled about.
about it wasn't so later, it wasn't until later that I thought I was sitting there, I'm sitting, I'm like, why am I taking these pallets?
You know, like why am I taking these pallets out of New York into uh into Pennsylvania?
And you went to Lancaster and Harrisburg, correct?
Yeah, and the into Harrisburg.
Yeah, all right.
So my question then is, and I but it's probably a long shot.
At any point, did you take a picture of the loan?
No, I didn't I didn't take a picture because all right, so whenever when it's when it'll seal it up, I can't gain access to it.
They put a seal around it, sometimes they put it in a box that you can't open, right?
Yeah, I can't I can't.
That protects you, that protects them.
Um what about so then you then you have this it you get there and you're offloading and and they're taking forever, and you're waiting for the normal processes, which you get a slip that they accept a delivery, and then you had a six-hour wait time, you get paid for that time.
That's not free time.
You they have to they have to pay for it if they delay you, and they did, but then they didn't want to give you either slip.
Jesse, did I lose you?
We might have lost Jesse there.
We'll get him back.
Ethan, now when you you you bring us into the great state of Wisconsin, and you know, you're talking about a hundred thousand votes in your case.
Tell us what you saw.
Uh, could you repeat that?
Yeah, you you bring us to the state of Wisconsin, and what you witnessed impacts uh about a hundred thousand ballots.
What happened that you saw?
Well, I uh would do a uh uh nightly certified run with my job to uh the United States Postal Service lobby in Madison, Wisconsin.
And while I was doing that You're a you're a subcontractor.
Yep, as uh subcontractor for UMS, which is United Mailing Services, based out of Wisconsin.
Um but I was uh I had a nightly certified run to the USPS, and uh on my certified run the night after the election, the lobby supervisor asked me if I'd forgotten to bring ballots the previous night on election night.
I had no ballots to bring in on election night, so I thought that was very weird.
And you know, when I had no ballots on election night, I didn't think anything of it end of the election.
Yeah, uh all right, so you know what's fascinating about your your story to me is that now it's November 4th, and then you then you heard and were told what?
Well, I was told that uh 100,000 ballots had gone missing in the state of Wisconsin, and an order came down from the Wisconsin, Illinois chapter of the school guys listen to go looking for those ballots.
Yeah.
And and so, okay, and now they're back then you heard an order to backdate them because uh we should have gotten them there earlier, right?
Yep, because it if they had been uh received by the Postal Service uh honor before election day, then they would have been postmarked for the third and they would have been able to get into election official.
But since they got in on the fourth, they would have had to be backdated, and and that's what a second postal service employee told me when I asked them about it just to see if I was gonna get in trouble because I thought maybe I had forgotten the ballots and I wanted to make sure I was covering myself and my job.
Uh, you know, the I I just can't believe, you know, I'm sitting here and like and I'm listening to you and I'm listening to Jesse, and I'm like, uh I I mean this is unbelievable to me.
Now, did you assume at the time that that would be vote fraud?
When the first uh USPS employee spoke to me, it didn't really occur to me, but after I spoke to the second one and I found out that they had backdated them, I realized the severity of the situation, and that in some sort of way there was some sort of fraud going on.
Uh Jesse, let me go back to you because we were talking about whether or not you had a chance to take a photo of any of these things.
Or uh if you didn't weren't able to take a photo or didn't think of it at the time, you just thought, oh, I'm just delivering ballots, and it didn't occur to you till later.
Uh wait a minute, this doesn't make sense to take them across state lines from New York and Beth Page, Long Island to Pennsylvania.
Um, do you have any access or ability to access the GPS system showing that you took this route?
Oh yeah, there we was we I'm I'm really confident in the um in the evidence that we have and with Phil Fine and his team.
Um this is just the tip of the story here that's coming out.
Like everything else, there's a lot of stuff that we're holding back on.
Um because you got the end of the day, you need to remember that.
Jesse, we have a rule on this show.
No holding back on your friend Sean Hannity.
Well, at the end of the day, they're they're they're they're playing we're not playing checkers anymore.
We're playing chess, all right.
So we have to play the same kind of game that they are.
Uh this is a pretty big organiz uh pretty big organization for them to orchestrate this.
It wasn't just one or two people.
You're you're saying that you now have more information that'll shed a lot more light on these hundreds of thousands of b ballots that you transported from Beth Page Long Island to Pennsylvania.
Say say that, say that question again, sir.
You're telling us that there will be a lot more information and evidence coming out regarding your load of hundreds of thousands of ballots that you drove from Beth Page Long Island to Pennsylvania.
You're saying there's there's a lot more evidence coming.
There'll be more evidence coming out.
Just there will be more evidence.
So gosh, I hate not knowing.
I like to know.
I like to know everything.
That's what I do for a living.
I and I and I believe you like to know.
But right now it's not a good idea.
I'm not, I'm just messing with it.
So now let me ask you this.
Now, since they didn't give you these slips, which is part of the normal procedures, and you by the way, you need to get paid.
Um that's part of the process for you to get paid, and they wouldn't give them to you.
What'd you do then?
Well, uh I sent a text to my boss telling them the situation, telling them that I'm talking uh talk to that they won't give me a late slip or a uh uh uh a sli uh my ticket or a weight slip, and um and they're telling me to take the load to Lancaster, and uh and my boss uh he was asking who the expediter was, and he said uh so just let me know the hours and you'll get the paid.
And I told him it was a transportation supervisor.
So uh um I have all that, but I mean it's just uh the whole thing.
So your boss was being cool about it, like yeah, they should give it to you, but um, we're still gonna pay you.
Yeah, he the the the he the I got I believe I got paid him in.
I know I got paid, but um uh yeah, he's just say he just basically told me he asked for who it was that told me to leave and um and then asked for my hours.
Well this had to be like a 14-hour day for you by the end of the day, right?
That was more like a 16.
Yeah, I mean, it was a long day.
Um, listen, as soon as you can, please update us.
Our audience wants to get an update from you when you get the when you're available to share that new evidence, we want it uh to be shared if you can.
Uh Ethan, same with you.
Thank you for telling your story.
Very courageous.
Have uh either of you had any threats from anybody real quick.
Ethan?
Uh say that again.
Have either of you faced any uh threats or criticism, Ethan?
Yeah, uh hey, let me let me jump in real quick because I I'm literally getting ready to take another interview here.
Um what I will say about that is that I have had you what we'll we'll let you guys go, but we'll have you back soon.
How's that?
All right, Ethan and uh Jesse.
Thank you guys.
Yeah.
Thank you, Sean.
Thanks, guys.
We'll continue.
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We have a lot going on around the country today, uh, not the least of which the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
Very encouraging.
Uh we are not saying there are not merits here.
Looks like there is, blah, blah, blah, blah, but the has to go to the district court first before we see it.
We look forward to getting it.
Uh, I thought that was promising.
I've been telling you the Wisconsin case is going to be big.
Then in Pennsylvania, if the U.S. Supreme Court takes it, we've gone over the constitutional issues involved in that case.
That's big.
Uh, then we have all this evidence being presented out in Nevada today.
Uh yeah, enough votes that would overturn that election out there, which would, by the way, those three states would then bring us to 269 uh electoral votes each.
Biden and Trump.
Uh long shot, of course.
Possible.
Yeah.
Of course.
If you believe in the rule of law.
Anyway, here's the president in part of his speech yesterday.
Many very smart people have congratulated me on all we've done.
The biggest tax cuts in history, Space Force, and so much more.
But then they went on to say, as big and as important as these events were, the single greatest achievement in your presidency will be exactly what you're doing right now.
Voter integrity for our nation.
It's more important than any of the things that we discussed.
If we don't root out the fraud, the tremendous and horrible fraud that's taken place in our 2020 election, we don't have a country anymore.
So with the resolve and support of the American people, we will restore honesty and integrity to our elections, and we will restore trust in our system of government.
Thank you.
God bless you, and God bless America.
Now we're going to get to some uh whistleblowers, witnesses that have been testifying in just a minute, but I want to just sum up uh as we have Michigan witnesses, uh, again, all s all signing affidavits under the penalty of perjury.
Well, that's called evidence.
Everybody, where's the evidence?
Well, that would be in a court of law.
That would be evidence.
Uh that would be the testimony of eyewitnesses uh then put under cross-examination.
That's that can that's enough.
Uh and one witness, eyewitness could actually uh end up in the conviction of somebody for murder, for example.
Listen.
So as we as we began to look at that, my team focused on um anomalous patterns where votes were entered in amount of time that was physically impossible for the tabulation machines to process the votes.
And so we found four four spikes in in the analysis that um exceeded the uh the tabulation machine's ability to process that amount of votes in a in a timeline.
And that was in Kent County, Macomb County, Oakland County, and Wayne County.
And um again, this this data was uh from Dominion and um published, you know, in uh in open source.
So those anomalies pointed us to uh a couple other things that uh some of your previous witnesses uh who I just heard tonight, but uh the uh the incremental um the incremental absentee vote uh punches uh were uh there was a big a big move from 652 on the morning of the fourth, uh 16,000 um absentee votes were processed.
Between 652 and 749 uh local time on the fourth, an additional two hundred and thirteen thousand four hundred and twenty-nine absentee votes were processed, and this aligns with uh some of the observations that the previous witnesses made.
And then uh uh at uh 1115 and a time 1115 that same morning in a time period of about eight minutes, uh, which correlates to the time our previous witness uh Miss uh Jesse testified uh there was fifty-six thousand and ninety-eight votes processed in an eight minute period.
Now each one of these uh machines um can process about twenty thousand votes an hour.
So you can do the math yourself or it's it's it's in our affidavit.
So the anomalous activity led us to believe that uh just looking at the data uh that there were red flags for fraudulent activities, and uh we have uh subsequently asked to to for our team or someone else to do the forensic analysis to determine exactly what happened.
All right, joining us now to discuss, uh she testified herself.
Uh Christina uh Caramo is with us, and also Dr. Linda uh Tarver is the president of Tarver Consulting.
Uh Christina was a poll watcher in Michigan.
Uh Ian Norton is with us with the Amistad project, and uh also with the Thomas Moore Society.
Thank you all for being with us.
All right, Ian, let me ask you what your your project is now involved in.
You're representing two female Michigan voters, uh Angelic Johnson and and your representing who's also with us, Dr. Linda Lee Tarver, claiming election officials rob them of their votes by illegally undermining a fair election.
Tell us the lawsuit.
That's right.
Thanks for having me.
Uh this is an important case.
You know, my clients lawfully voted in Michigan, and uh they cast good votes.
And and unfortunately, when you allow for illegality or unlawfulness or illegal votes, as we've seen here on a widespread scale throughout the state, it waters down those good votes of my clients and others.
And so people talk about integrity, they talk about fairness, but it doesn't mean much unless it's also accurate, right?
The popular vote doesn't mean anything if you're if you're counting people who didn't actually vote in favor of those who did.
And so we've we've seen widespread uh problems, widespread i illegalities, and we've got just in my case, more than three dozen eyewitnesses.
You know, you you mentioned evidence.
You know, this is what we call direct evidence.
This isn't even circumstantial evidence.
That's when the experts and the data guys, you know, make uh you know, crunch the numbers and and and do the extrapolations.
But when you have direct evidence of people seeing with their own eyes, serious irregularities, not following the statutes as written.
Instead, you've got unelected bureaucrats, unelected election officials uh making it up as they go or doing it how they wish it was written.
Uh that's an abusive process, and that's why we filed suit in the Michigan Supreme Court.
Uh we were aggrieved, my clients were aggrieved with with those irregularities, and they want the Michigan legislature and others to do their job, their constitutional duty uh to make sure that every vote, uh I should say every lawful vote counts, and that theirs don't get watered down.
So many that we saw uh not just on election day itself, but in other cases uh throughout the night and throughout the next day, uh veterans' ballots being pushed off to the corner, not being treated the same way in one county as another.
It's really shocking.
And and for for being a guy from Michigan myself, you know, I grew up here, uh, you know, I I I went away for a while uh to other places like Florida and came back home.
I've spent my whole professional career trying to get back home, and now that I got here, uh, you know, I'm almost embarrassed because we can't even count.
It's really shameful.
And and of course we can count, and we shouldn't be so naive to think that we can't can't do those things.
It's because we don't want to look, right?
You can't you can't trust what you can't verify, and you can't count what you can't see.
And here we've got a situation where you know regular people are being kicked out uh of the counting rooms, uh whether they're bipartisan challengers or GOP challengers, uh, they're being kicked out of the county room in favor of paid consultants or or you know, partisan Democrats.
And and look, this shouldn't be about party, uh, this should be about process, and right now election integrity demands a closer look at the process.
You're also, by the way, claiming in your suit that they sent out in in the in this state um uh in Michigan, uh 355,392 unsolicited ballots.
By the way, that gets out into the you know, the real lawsuit in the state of uh Wisconsin, which is that the people actually have to sign up and apply for and make application for these ballots if they're not gonna vote in person.
And in fact, they didn't do it.
And as a matter of law and court precedence, uh in the past, uh those have not been accepted ballots in the end.
And there's uh a lot of them in Wisconsin.
Enough to turn the election over three times over.
So that's a big charge.
Yeah, it's it it's shocking.
Those numbers surprised even me.
But what we did is we took uh the the state's own election records that said who did you send these ballots to, and we called those folks, and we have those folks uh recorded calls, and then you if once you call enough people, the data scientists tell me it's statistically significant, right?
And you get up to 95% certainty.
Well, this is with 99% mathematical certainty that it's over three hundred and fifty-five thousand unsolicited ballots.
Well, Michigan was pretty smart.
You know, they passed a law that said if you want to vote by mail, if you want to uh that's not that's not allowed, right?
You can do an absentee ballot.
That's a little different.
And they say to do that, you gotta sign it once, you gotta sign it to get the ballot, and you've got to sign it again to turn it in so that the vote counts.
So you sign it twice.
And here we've got evidence of unsolicited ballots being flooded into the system.
That's somebody who didn't sign for it, didn't even ask for it.
And the only question for that is either a mistake, either a mistake, or uh widespread i illegality, lawlessness of people trying to harvest ballots for other folks.
And the numbers go on.
There are other examples, like for example, uh the head of elections, Jonathan Brader, a partisan Democrat, admitted under oath in an affidavit that he sent out seventy-four thousand ballots.
This was as of a month before the election, as of October the seventh, seventy-four thousand he sent out uh based on a uh an email request alone.
So no signature requirement, but just sending it out because somebody checked a box on an email form.
You know, the statute says you need a signature.
You're supposed to compare that signature to the one we have on file, and then you're supposed to compare it a third time uh once it comes back in.
And and based on the eyewitnesses on the ground uh throughout the state and little townships, uh, you know, like Canton Township, you know, or or bigger areas like uh Detroit and in PCF arena and other places throughout the state, they weren't checking those signatures on the back end either.
Precincts were uh were just packing the stuff up and sending it to be counted, notwithstanding those clear statutory requirements.
And that uh we all know does violate the law and Bush, you know, back in two thousand said you've gotta treat everybody the same.
You gotta treat those votes the right way, and you can't water it down with bad ones.
I don't know if you can add a lot to what your lawyer just said, Dr. Linda Lee Tarver.
Well, I I'm grateful to be here and Ian is doing a great job for us, but uh in terms of adding on to what he said, there is so much um fraud in and decades worth of fraud here in Michigan.
So in my I'm retired state employee after 34 years, 29 years with the Michigan Department of State, and seven years um performing election integrity.
And so as a private citizen now, um and a voter, I was appalled that what was known for many decades as problems that have still not been resolved.
But this Secretary of State, a Democrat, in her official capacity, appears to have broken the law herself for mailing out ballots that she knew um were unsolicited, and in that capacity, there needs to be repercussions.
We also know that there was a court case in October of 2020 saying that the poll challengers, because of COVID, the poll challengers who have a uh legal right to inspect and uh evaluate the process, a legal right to be there and to observe to uh report to challenge and to uh ensure integrity of the election, because that is where the the crux of the integrity is on election day.
There the parameters that they're not gonna follow the law, at least we have some eyes in there, we have uh a voice in there, we have challengers in there, and those challengers were not allowed to stand within six feet, some ten feet, and some were put out.
And the law in Michigan says that those challengers must be protected and they must not be intimidated from doing their job.
And we want people, because it's a misdemeanor, and we want people to go to jail this year.
This is a year That people need to go to jail for violating Michigan election law.
We have a criminal code, and we need to make sure that we are using it.
I'm asking the lawmakers to look at Detroit.
The absentee voting um precinct that the TCF Center in just in the downtown Detroit, that is the uh discussion, I believe that the president was talking about.
At the TCF Center, all of the absentee voters' ballots for Detroit are there.
And 71% of those precincts cannot be recounted because they have errors.
And because they have errors, uh, no one can recount them.
They can't be recounted.
There are flaws, there are errors.
They consider them uh clerical errors or technical flaws, but they need to be opened up.
The boxes need to be open so that we can see and affirm the illegal activity that was going on.
At four, we were told by witnesses at 4 a.m. in the morning, uh, boxes of found ballots from Detroit were brought in and tabulated.
We were told by eyewitnesses that people were seeing multiple ballots run through multiple times.
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, uh Ian Northern with us with the Amistad Bah program and project at Thomas Moore Society.
He's representing Dr. Linda Lee Tarver, president of Tarver Consulting.
By the way, also uh member at large for the National Federation of Republican women and board member of Black Voices for Trump and a former Michigan Civil Rights Commissioner.
Uh and Christina uh Caramo is back with us.
Uh she's been on TV the last two nights, and she's really become a viral sensation.
Incredible, incredible arguments she has been making is she was uh one of the the observers of of this shift show, if you will, everything that was happening on the ground in Michigan.
Uh Christina, great to have you here and back, and thank you for being with us.
And I don't know if you realize just how viral you've gone, but it's been pretty uh pretty intense.
Yeah, thanks for having me again, Sean.
I'm glad people are listening.
You know, I was at the TCF Center for 37 hours, and I was there first on Monday, because on Monday, they our legislators approved a process where they could start processing the ballots, not counting them.
Monday, it seemed normal, at least I thought.
But when I got there Tuesday through Wednesday, I was in 37 hours.
Sean, it was so emotionally overwhelming what I witnessed.
What I witnessed was just, it was just, it was horrible.
And what's so sad is our no local news media outlets are totally trying to discredit us.
And like I've said before, if we we're asking for an investigation, if we were lying, we wouldn't ask for an investigation because all we would say would be even easily disproven.
And and what's so sad is one of our local news media outlets tried, and it's it's funny.
I I actually on their list did mail the email, they said that it wasn't true.
Their poll watchers weren't being thrown out.
The poll talenters weren't being thrown out.
They said that wasn't true.
And I'm literally like, I watched it with my own two eyes.
And what was really scary is Democrats, they had little operatives in there that were like trying to sow discourse and fear amongst the workers to get them to turn against us.
It was really, it was really, really a sad situation.
And like the ballots that showed up in the middle of the night.
I mean, the city has no accountability.
Where what's going on?
Like ask them what why did that happen?
You know, I remember when the truck showed up, we were just all so surprised.
Like, what is going on?
And all these ballots just appear out of nowhere.
And it's just like no answers, no accountability.
And I I think some people are having a hard time processing, you know, what we are saying because we're we've been taught since we were children to trust our institutions, to trust authority because they know what's right, they mean good by us.
People cannot fathom a well-organized conspiracies to overthrow our republic.
They they can't conceptualize it.
So they just rather consider us liars because it's fall flying in the face of their worldview that if it was true, then the the news media would tell us it's true.
I'm not necessarily just calling us liars with no investigation.
And so the the thing about it is between the people being tossed out, um, you know, even one thing that was really upsetting when the people were uh knocking at the door saying, uh, stop the count, stop the count.
There were people saying that they're trying to intimidate you guys, they're trying to intimidate you guys.
Well, the the city, I don't know who gave the goal green light for this, they actually came the door shut to keep the people out.
And what's so scary about that if a fire order broker or any other type of emergency, we were trapped in.
And and something with somebody could have got seriously hurt or killed.
I mean, there was so much impropriety that needs to be investigated.
And like Dr. Tarver said, open the boxes.
If the city has nothing to hide, if the Secretary of State has nothing to hide, open the boxes.
Do you believe with all your heart Christina that it that illegal votes were were being counted?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Like Lewis, they've been discussed is like the hand king of ballots, where they were literally adding people to the voter roll.
And what was so shocking, and I remember it, I mean it's horrible, Sean.
I felt so powerless.
I walked over to one of the tables where this is happening to challenge the vote, and the woman looked at me and said, Oh, there's already been a challenge.
We've already gotten approved.
And I'm watching her hand key and name into the voter roll.
So it I mean, people act like it's so irrational.
How do we know that's even a uh actual person who cast his vote?
How do we not know that this just isn't a ballot that showed up and they're adding in the name?
So when people say, Oh, well, there's only it's only they they concentrate on the amount of ballots that's off.
They say, Oh, it's only 300 ballots is off.
Well, if the voter roles are off and you have illegal ballots, of course it's not gonna show that talent is off.
It's not gonna show it if the person is in there illegally.
So that's why the boxes need to be open, like Dr. Tarver said, you need to get inside and see our vote.
There needs to be a forensic audit.
Are those voter roles correct?
And what about the votes?
Still those match up.
And we can clearly see Secretary Benson is hiding.
Just a just an unbelievable story.
Ian, where do you stand the legal process of uh making what Christina's talking about a reality?
Yeah, so you know, Sean, thank you.
You know, we we sued directly to the Michigan Supreme Court with a special statute in Michigan because in Michigan's constitution, they wrote it in two years ago that everyone in Michigan has a right to uh to an audit in our constitution and we have the right to safeguard that accuracy and integrity I talked about earlier.
Now, I can't throw somebody in jail, right?
This is a civil lawsuit.
I'm just doing my part to get them their rights, their due.
But I do call upon the others to to ask these hard questions of the head of elections, ask these hard questions of the Secretary of State.
Why aren't you releasing the rest of the data?
Why aren't you allowing an independent audit?
Why are you telling your people in a memo that we acquired as of two days ago, 12 1 to destroy uh ballot boxes and destroy evidences?
Those should be preserved by statute under law for a period of two years under federal law.
Why are you telling uh local precincts?
This is coming right from the top.
This is coming from the head of the election.
And you have the letter to back the back you have this this directive to violate the law and you have a copy of it?
Yeah, I do.
And and so we're trying to prove that it's authentic, but you know, to me, you know, it's it's one of those challenges.
At least ask that question.
What is going on here?
These are simple questions to ask, right?
The chain of custody is something that even small kids can understand, right?
Who's got the stapler?
Who's got the pencil?
You know, did you bring your own book to school today, Johnny?
Right?
Little kids understand chain of custody and it's used all over.
You know, when we did elections in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places around the world, you know, we had a chain of custody.
Now there was a place that was known to be lawless, and we imposed a Republican uh representative democracy.
People dipped their finger in ink and you could hold it up and it would last for a couple of days.
And you knew that that one person voted one time and one time only, right?
They couldn't present the five.
Yes, I remember.
Yeah, the purple finger.
You remember the visuals in your head.
Here you can't do that throughout Michigan because we have evidence of people voting more than once.
We have people who say they voted, but their votes were thrown out.
We have other people who say they didn't vote, and yet there's a been a ballot cast in their name.
Where are the purple fingers, so to speak?
And that's all stuff that's only in the hands and and of those election officials.
And so to me, just ask those hard questions.
Let's get those log books.
They should be signatures on there.
When you put something in a ballot or take it out, you're supposed to sign for it.
This is not that tough.
Yeah as long as you're paying attention.
You know, Michigan, you know, Michigan's known for its cold winters, and sometimes you know, sometimes winter comes early, and I'm afraid that our lawmakers, the people uh, you know, the popularly elected officials in the legislature are hibernating right now, and they really need to sit up straight, pay attention, and do the heavy lifting now before we just rubber stamp something uh lawless or illegal.
It's really it's really sad to see.
Um and and Dr. Tarver and and and others, Christina and others coming forward, paying attention, wanting the best for their own communities, wanting the best for everyone.
Uh those are people of goodwill.
And I would encourage anybody if you've seen something, you know, right, see something, say something, uh pay attention here because if you don't do it now, I'm afraid that it's just going to get worse in the future.
And that's why it's a little bit of a let me ask this question of Christina then.
What has been the reaction now that you very publicly now pointed out everything that you've been seeing that shouldn't be happening in in as an election observer.
You know, a lot of times the people they attempt to say that I'm lying, you know, and I like I was saying before, I think it's because they they're they thoroughly believe that the news let me let me just interrupt you quickly you did sign an affidavit and you know that you you do so if you lie in it that you do it with with the understanding the penalty of perjury exists for you, right?
I under yep and I understand all of that.
And that's the part to me, Sean, our biggest fight is the information war.
To me that is our number one fight.
Because if most of the public knew what was happening, they would rise up.
But our local news media outlets keep saying that oh these aren't credible these are unverified.
That's why we're asking for an investigation.
It's like the public has they throw common sense out the window.
So when someone says these are unverified, okay, yeah that's right.
So verify them by conducting an investigation.
Then you will verify what we're saying.
But they don't they don't even want to do that.
They don't want to take the time because the fix is in.
I don't know what their direct relationship is, but what was even more upsetting like for example one of our Wayne born Wayne County board of canvasers, our local MBC affiliate went outside his home and show his address.
So this this is the kind of new instead with Pity he lives in.
So this is the what we're dealing with here.
And so now when you have the news media trying to discredit us, the people think we're liars.
They're sending me hate messages.
I mean most of the messages have been positive but a lot of them are hate messages because they're just they're so consumed with the fact that Donald Trump is just so not the fact that what they think is a fact that Donald Trump is just such a terrible person and that anybody who's complicit in supporting him and perpetuating this evil must but by default be evil themselves.
So they're just consumed with this irrational hatred that they're not interested and they can't even conceptualize how logical it is to just ask have an investigation.
It's like a Sciap is being ran on the American people.
It's it's actually quite scary because what else can the media convince people to do?
You know I've I've dealt with this my whole career Christina.
Look we did something that no one else did we vetted Barack Obama.
You know we we were we got the Russia story right.
There there was Russian interference.
It was Hillary's dossier and that was used then to acquire FISA warrants the bulk of the information to get Pfizer warrants to spy on a candidate Donald Trump to his transition team and then his presidency.
We've been vetting the Biden family corruption business since 2018 and Peter Schweitzer's secret empires.
We we we ask questions that nobody else would ask about.
Why is Biden hiding in the basement the entire time?
You know, this is I think what what we've always done differently.
That's why we're independent and and we go our own way.
And now, Dr. Linda Lee Tarver, you, like Christina, are going your own way.
What's been the reaction to you?
The reaction for me has been very much the same.
But in reality, I'm convinced that our president has won this election in Michigan.
I believe that he overwhelmingly received the votes.
And the activities and illegal activities that have taken place is demonstrating the desperation that the Democrats have had and the fear that they've had that he would win re-election handily.
and I'm just waiting for the the truth to come out and prosecutions to follow.
You know it just is a sad thing when you consider in the stakes are being so high and you know all of these witnesses signing affidavits all under the the penalty of perjury uh we uh we we had a whole impeachment in this country and and as a lawyer uh Ian you would understand this based on one whistleblower that would ended up being a he anonymous hearsay whistleblower.
And here you've got hundreds of people signing these legal affidavits and hundreds of people testifying.
And that media is so corrupt they ignore them or call them liars.
Just dismiss them.
Well, you know, Sean, I think you're seeing that as part of kind of a crassness and a cancel culture that's in full effect, right?
Uh you're seeing, you know, people latch on to different things and do so do so in a way that's really unprecedented.
I mean, um, at least at least recently.
Look, but you know, the last time this happened, you have to go all the way back into the history books into the late 1800s.
But this sort of thing has happened before.
And that's why, you know, people talk about a popular vote and democratic process, but you know, we have a super majoritarian document, the Constitution, that says when this sort of thing goes wrong, there are ways to fix it.
And the way to fix it is to make sure that you're that you're doing it right, to make sure that it is accurate, to make sure that it has integrity, and you go back to the last good election you had before you had the the taint of um widespread irregularities and illegalities as the case may be.
And when you do that, then it's up to the legislatures to step in and take back the power that they delegated to these so-called election officials, these so-called experts.
Uh they had one job to do.
And it doesn't appear that they did it very well.
So let's ask those hard questions.
Let's get it right.
And then once you once you separate out the bad votes from the good ones, right?
The the ones that are lawful from the unlawful, uh, the sheep from the goats, if you will, once you once you do that work, instead of rubber stamping a fraud, now everyone has confidence that those votes that are counted are accurate and fair.
And when you do that, let the chips fall where they may.
Right?
This shouldn't be in the middle of the year.
That's what they that's what they desperately don't want to have happen and and have run out the clock.
The only thing that's been frustrating me, I mean Linda and I had a long discussion about this today, uh, is uh we have been how many how many doors have we knocked on to start hearing from these witnesses from what day one?
And it's it's taken a while.
I understand it is a process to all this, but I want to thank you all.
Ian, thank you.
Christina, you're now my co-host.
Uh, we'll have to pay you soon.
Uh thank you.
And Dr. Linda Lee Tarver, thank you for being with us.
We really appreciate it.
This is very important for the country to hear from you, and and we appreciate you sharing your experience.
And there's so many of you that are doing it, and everybody else is ignoring it.
We won't.
All right, that's gonna wrap things uh up for today.
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We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
We break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
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