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Oct. 2, 2020 - Sean Hannity Show

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Scalia: Is It More Dangerous To Keep The Economy Closed?

Labor Secretary, Eugene Scalia, joins to discuss the economy, the jobs numbers out today and the effects of COVID on our nation’s economy. Should we be opening up the country?The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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	All right, glad you're with us at 800-941 Sean.
	You want to be a part of the program on this Friday, 32 days, and you are the ultimate jury.
	You know, it's amazing what you see in people at moments when even somebody gets a virus and the reaction, a lot of it very predictable.
	Um, you know, a normal person would, if anybody gets sick, okay, we might disagree politically, but we wish you the best.
	Or but that that's not the case, which by the way, I I'd actually rather and prefer people be honest in and not being a bunch of phony hypocrites and act like they really give a rip when they don't.
	I mean, that's one thing I've said about Bill Maher that I actually like.
	He's not gonna sit there and say, uh, yeah, I'm really our thoughts and prayers go out to the Trumps because he hates them and he's gonna continue hating them.
	I I prefer raw honesty over the phony uh, you know, statements of some people here.
	Look, good people will wish the first lady and the first family and the president of the United States their best wishes, their thoughts, their prayers, with a full understanding of what we have been as a country and a world dealing with as a result of uh this virus that China inflicted upon the nation.
	You're gonna have the typical people and the mob, the media, the institutional forces that hate Donald Trump, including prominent Democrats.
	Uh, well, they will predictably go out there and and try and exploit this for some type of political gain.
	How they get there, I don't know.
	I mean, is there anything?
	Is there any lines, boundaries that exist anymore?
	I'm kind of thinking, not really.
	I don't think they exist.
	Um, but the a normal person wishes everybody good health.
	Um, and and we send our best wishes to the to the president, uh, the first family, Melania Trump.
	Uh, I think all good, decent Americans, and I believe we are really good, decent people.
	The American people have proven over and over again how extraordinarily nice, kind, generous that we are.
	I mean, and as now as we race towards uh a vaccine as we've advanced with therapeutics for COVID-19.
	You know, what have we seen?
	We we share our findings with everybody.
	If it's FISA, if it's Moderna, if it's AstraZeneca.
	Remember, all these companies are in third and final phase human testing trials for vaccine.
	If you just stop and you think, well, the first case of coronavirus in America was identified on January 21st of this year, and here we are on October the second, thinking about the fact and that we are close to a vaccine.
	Uh we've advanced therapeutics to pretty sophisticated levels.
	We know how to treat this disease.
	We know how to treat aspects of this disease that we didn't know how to treat in the beginning.
	I mean, some people, their immune system goes into system overload, and they've figured out how to deal with that, where even when you're beyond any threat from the virus, that your own body kind of turns against itself.
	And we've had many doctors on this program explain what can happen and how to do it.
	Uh we've we've gone over exhaustively on this program.
	Uh the one published study about hydroxychloroquine that got quoted the most is the one that got pulled.
	And we've gone over anecdotally and and then also the different studies that have taken place on that.
	By the way, Dr. Oz will join us for a full hour, second hour today.
	We'll get a full update on therapeutics, vaccine, everything you want, need to know uh about coronavirus.
	Uh, and in the meantime, even while fighting off COVID, President Trump will be probably three times more engaged than you know, uh bunker baseman Joe took the day off yesterday because the day before was so so stressful.
	Um, but anyway, look, it's a we've lost 200, a little over 200,000 Americans.
	It's the worst pandemic since 1917 and 18.
	It was a part of the debate.
	Joe would not have implemented the travel ban.
	I think really dumb on his part, caring more about what China would think of us, caring to score cheap political points.
	It's it's hysterical xenophobia and fear mongering, uh, saying that almost through the end of March, uh, hiding almost the whole time.
	I guess you're never gonna get sick if you hide in your basement bunker.
	Uh, nobody likes the virus.
	It is an invisible enemy.
	China did unleash this on the world.
	They had the opportunity to bring in the world's finest medical researchers and scientists and doctors to help contain this.
	The only thing they contained was travel out of Wuhan province to the rest of China and from the rest of China into Wuhan province, while they simultaneously uh allowed in, you know, people to travel all over the world from Wuhan, uh, which is unbelievable.
	Um pretty pretty sad.
	Um, and and how bad do you want?
	I mean, how much do you want to hear here?
	You know, do you want to hear?
	Apparently, Washington Times is reporting that Congresswoman Talib, part of the squad uh earlier today, slamming the president following his COVID-19 positive diagnosis, saying his deadly lies contributed to the deaths of too many Americans.
	He still won't wear a mask, she tweets out.
	He only cares about himself and his life, not those around him.
	Well, he could have gone into hiding also, but he went out there working every single solitary day.
	And, you know, I I know that there is a segment of society that would love a perpetual shutdown.
	And, you know, I guess if we if we live all of our lives, we I guess we could live in a bubble.
	Uh, but who's going to build the bubble if everybody shuts down?
	It was sort of like in the midst of the worst moment of this virus.
	Uh, you know, I I said many many times that if those that were manufacturing all of the PPE, the shields, the masks, the gloves, the ventilators.
	Imagine if they shut down for their own safety.
	If they shut down, what would have happened to New York and New Jersey and all these hard-hit states?
	Michigan, Pennsylvania.
	Uh what would have happened?
	What if the farmers decided it's safer to stay inside and not farm?
	What if the Packers didn't pack the trucks up with the food and the medicines and the supplies that we all need?
	What if the drivers didn't want to drive because they they thought it was safer not to drive?
	Well, uh, well, we say, well, okay, there, those are essential workers.
	Um life is is hard.
	I we were going over this yesterday.
	It is difficult.
	It is challenging.
	There's not a single person in this world that will go through life and not be hit hard with something.
	It's it is inevitable.
	It is part of the life process.
	It is something we all live with.
	It is something we all go through.
	The people, uh every single person I've ever met in my life that had had a significant serious cancer diagnosis in their life, they usually end up being the most thoughtful because life becomes became for them for a period if they're on the other side of it.
	You know, um, something that was extraordinarily precious, more precious than they otherwise would think of on a normal day.
	We don't wake up every day and say, ah, ah, we live in America.
	Oh, I'm healthy.
	Let me let me go out there and spread the good news.
	I'm I'm healthy today.
	But once you face the possibility that you might not be healthy, and then you get your health back again, you kind of appreciate life a little bit more.
	So, you know, then you got, let's see, oh, we got a great, who is this?
	A former top campaign Stafford of both Hillary and Barack Obama.
	She's facing a fierce backlash for a tweet wishing death to President Trump, uh, who revealed hours earlier that he and the first lady had tested positive.
	It's been against my moral identity to tweet this for the last four years, but I hope he dies.
	Zara Rahim wrote 37,000 followers in a now deleted tweet.
	I feel free, she writes in a subsequent tweet.
	This effing rules read another tweet, which included a selfie of her smiling and throwing up a peace sign.
	By the way, her Twitter account was set to private on Friday morning.
	I wonder why.
	Um, so anyway, our prayers go out.
	It's um we've we've made advancements.
	Um the White House physician has said the president will be carrying out his duties without disruption, despite testing positive.
	Uh obviously quarantine with the first lady, so there'll be less contact, I'm sure, with the president for the next 14 days, following specific protocols.
	Knowing Donald Trump as we do, I would expect that he's probably gonna share with everybody what his course of treatment will be.
	The New York Times has been slammed for suggesting the president might not remain on the ballot after the coronavirus diagnosis.
	National press don't want to be called the enemy of the people, Curtis Hauke wrote.
	New York Times slammed Friday for suggesting the president might not be able to remain on the ballot following this positive coronavirus test.
	Why not?
	Uh why would that be?
	You know, many critics have even sent the president well wishes, and they deserve credit for being human.
	Uh if he becomes sick, it raises questions about whether he should remain on the ballot at all.
	New York Times toilet paper Times reporters Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman right after noting that the president's positive test throws the nation's leadership into uncertainty.
	You know, now we're getting the successive uh power now uh things.
	Ex-Y Dr. Ronnie Jackson said there's plenty of time between now and the October 15th debate.
	The commission on presidential debate said next week's uh debate between the vice president and Kamala Harris will move forward.
	Uh a lot of good Americans.
	You see the goodness in people just overflowing, and and even from some people on the left uh sending the best wishes they can to the to the president and the first lady critics, those seizing on the president's positive coronavirus test uh test to mock and lecture uh the president on all of this.
	You know, the president gets tested every day.
	Everybody that's around the president has been getting tested every day.
	You know, is it a fail-safe system?
	It's is it a perfect system?
	No, but it's been one that has served them pretty well pretty much all throughout this pandemic.
	And so, yeah, it's um it is what it is.
	These people are who they are.
	They cannot control themselves, they don't want to control themselves.
	And this was a big point that I was making about all of those feigning outrage that a real raw debate broke out, and all of a sudden everybody gets the vapors.
	You have Hollywood reacting to the news with you know, karma 2020.
	Wow.
	You don't have anything better to say.
	Um, it just it just shows you the celebrity look left.
	What have I been saying?
	I said institutional forces, the likes of which we've never seen before, and that is the Democratic Party in unison.
	Very few variations.
	That's the media mob, the 99.9%.
	That's the Hollywood elite as well.
	Just every second minute hour of every day, they have done nothing but hate on this president, and then they feign the selective moral outrage if the president fights and battles back.
	Well, I actually like a fighter for president.
	I like the guy that fought to beat the caliphate, fought to take out Solomonny, fought to take out Baghdadian associates, fought to take out the Al-Qaeda leader in Yemen, uh, is willing to fight Iran and their aggressive actions as well.
	Fought for the money for the border wall, fought for his Supreme Court candidates, fought for his tax cuts, uh, fought for energy independence and achieved it.
	Uh, fought to break down the bureaucracy.
	Um, yeah, I kind of like people that fight for what they promise they're gonna do.
	But some people, I guess, are offended by it.
	Uh anyway, 800-941 Sean Tolfrey uh telephone number.
	You want to be a part of the program.
	We're gonna have Dr. Oz for a full hour today.
	Just go over this.
	We haven't updated uh you on coronavirus in a while, and uh we'll have the very latest, uh, especially as it relates to vaccines and better therapeutics if people in fact still do contract this virus.
	Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
	And I'm Carol Markowitz.
	We've been in political media for a long time.
	Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, A little insane.
	That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
	We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
	We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
	So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
	You're our kind of people.
	Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
	Gotta love the ever compassionate, loving left in this country, Michael Moore.
	It's possible that Trump is lying about having COVID-19 to gain sympathy.
	Patricia Arquette fearing Trump will downplay coronavirus as just a bad flu after testing positive.
	Washington Post tweeting uh after the news broke, imagine what it will be like to never have to think about Trump again.
	Yeah, they had to delete that.
	Fake news CNN's Don Lemon.
	Is this a moment of reckoning for the president and this administration?
	Um, didn't people at his network have it?
	Wish everybody there the best.
	Um it's it's just a lot of this is so predictable.
	Now you got Schumer and Feinstein.
	They well, why let any good uh crisis go to waste, right?
	Rom Rambo deadfish.
	They're now seizing on the Trump team COVID outbreak to delay Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation.
	Of course, why not?
	You know, let's, you know, we can always look at the upside here for us politically.
	Uh the CDC, this is what I had pointed out the other day.
	Seven months ago, the CDC's estimates were that COVID fatality was at 3.4%, meaning if you contracted the virus, you had 3.4% chance of dying.
	CDC released new figures as of last Friday, and they put the fatality rate less than a half of 1% for everybody under 70.
	Uh, the president's 74, and at that point, it's you know, people over 70 that have underlying conditions and compromised immune systems.
	Mortality rate there is 5% high, but it that was the one thing that remained constant.
	Over there at the New York Toilet Paper Times, I'll get into more detail in the next segment on this.
	There, they're already dancing in the aisles over the idea that Trump's COVID diagnosis means his re-election bid is doomed.
	Man, that's these people, man, they cannot help themselves.
	They really can't.
	Uh, how about we just wish them, you know, a speedy recovery?
	Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and your wife today.
	Ah, it's too much to ask.
	Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
	And I'm Carol Markowitz.
	We've been in political media for a long time.
	Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
	That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
	We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
	We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
	So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
	You're our kind of people.
	Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
	All right, 25 till the top of the hour, 800-941.
	Sean, you want to be a part of this extravaganza?
	Pelosi is out there.
	So compassionate.
	I knew it wouldn't take long before the Democrats, you know, start playing politics with this Schumer, Feinstein.
	Oh, that we now must delay.
	Um, we've got to delay uh the hearings of Amy Coney Barrett now.
	No, we don't.
	I mean, we don't.
	Um, I don't know.
	But I thought maybe they'd at least wait a day before politicizing it.
	Now remember Nancy Pelosi, come to Chinatown, you know, towards the end of February of this year, right?
	Come, it's it's fine, it's safe.
	The same person we see without a mask violating the the rules out in San Francisco, then lashing out at the salon owner as she needed to get her her hair done without a mask on inside the salon with the video.
	And, you know, now criticizing the president for uh his disdain for the severity of the coronavirus.
	Well, if he didn't care about the coronavirus, why did he put the travel ban in effect ten days after the first case?
	That makes sense to you.
	Why did he put the first quarantine in place in over 50 years?
	Now Pelosi suggesting the president's repeated reluctance to wear the mask.
	Well, why didn't you wear it in the salon?
	You know, just like this representative in front of the Pennsylvania governor saying, Yeah, I just wear it for show, not because I really believe it.
	Going into crowds, unmasked, all the rest was sort of a brazen invitation for something like this to happen, she said.
	We must have spatial distancing.
	We must be wearing our masks.
	We must have sanitation because it can help crush the virus and stop the spread.
	So maybe now that people who see the president of the United States with all the protection that he has and the first lady still having this exposure, it might be a, as you say, a learning experience.
	But more than learning, it has to be something that is acted upon.
	This is tragic.
	It's very sad.
	But it also is something that that uh again uh going into crowds, uh, unmasked and all the rest was sort of a brazen invitation for something like this to happen.
	Sad that it did, uh, but nonetheless hopeful uh that it will be a transition to a saner approach to what this virus is all about.
	By the way, Hope Hicks, and this I confirm with numerous people, and you can see it on Marine One.
	There's video that we were running last night, and it was running all over Fox last night.
	I I did call into the Fox News channel as the news was breaking.
	Um, and uh you see her on Marie One, she nobody in the White House wore her mask more religiously than Hope Hicks.
	Nobody.
	Um, it's uh you know, it is what it is.
	I mean, people are gonna be who they are, and that is that Democrats are Democrats, and they just, you know, politics trumps everything else here.
	Um you have uh Senator Chris Murphy.
	If the president can't be out there on the campaign trail for up to two weeks, then he's gonna have to rely on his surrogates, and unfortunately, one of them is Vladimir Putin.
	You know, much more serious about the Russian threat given today's news.
	If President Trump can't be out there on the campaign trail for the next two weeks, then he is going to rely on his surrogates.
	And unfortunately, one of his surrogates is Vladimir Putin.
	So you are likely going to see this campaign ramped up by Russia over the next few weeks to try to substitute for the president's absence on the campaign trail.
	Does any of this surprise you?
	Because none of it surprises me.
	I mean, it's it's just it's a standard fare for this radical left that we have in this country.
	Uh all right, back to the New York toilet paper Times.
	They're now dancing in the aisles seemingly.
	Uh, that, well, this might mean the president's re-election bid is doomed.
	Uh anyway, they they New York Times with his health and the country's stability at risk, strategist, even senior aides to the president.
	By the way, anonymous sourcing, again, shocker, said he would face a harsh judgment from voters based on the announcement that he contracted coronavirus, inviting significant questions about his cavalier attitude toward the pandemic.
	You know, this whole thing got started with, you know, the president saying publicly, yeah, he downplayed the virus, but his actions showed otherwise.
	Nobody thought he should put the travel ban in effect ten days after the first case.
	Nobody thought the subsequent travel ban should be put in.
	Nobody thought that the president would should go forward with the first quarantine in 50, whatever many years.
	Anyway, it goes on.
	Um that it's hard to imagine this doesn't end his hopes of reelection, said Rob Stutzman, a Republican consultant.
	Oh, I don't even know, I might know this guy, I don't even remember him.
	Even if Mr. Trump does not fully uh does fully recover after his isolation period, millions of Americans now are uh already voting, mail in ballot, in person, early voting.
	For all the drama 2020 has delivered, the presidential race has largely been impervious to events, including impeachment, the virus, unrest of and over racism, severe economic distress.
	Mr. Biden has enjoyed a steady lead, but an incumbent president testing positive for a potentially deadly disease is of a greater order of magnitude.
	Okay.
	That's the New York Times.
	Washington Post columnist blasting Melania Trump.
	Why?
	She thanked Get Well Wishers.
	Not making this up.
	Jennifer Rubin claims she's a Republican.
	That's a joke.
	Until recently, dubbed herself a conservative.
	That's a joke.
	Lashing out at the first lady after Melania thanked people for sending love her way after she tested positive.
	Thank you for the love you're sending our way.
	She posted on Twitter.
	I have mild symptoms, but overall feel good.
	I'm looking forward to a speedy recovery.
	Anyway, then Ruben quickly replied, the first lady, you know, accused her of not caring about children.
	You may not give an F about children.
	The MSDNC contributor wrote, but decent people care about one another.
	So, oh boy, she sounds like she cares an awful lot about people.
	And of course, Trump's uh activism as first lady is centered on children, and she's visited children and staffers at many hospitals.
	But you know, I guess none of this matters to the radical left.
	It is shocking.
	There's one eight, I guess, and of Hillary, former White House Obama White House staffer, Hillary Clinton's former 2016 national spokesperson.
	It's been against my moral identity to tweet this for the past four years, but I hope he dies.
	Jeez.
	Okay, they're such good people.
	That's so nice.
	Uh Tom Arnold shared Hope Hicks's cell phone number after she tested positive.
	Wasn't that nice of Tom Arnold to do that?
	Well, pretty sick.
	Um, White House chief COVID advisor Scott Atlas predicts the president will make a full rapid recovery.
	Most people do.
	And of course, we hope that.
	We'll get the latest from Dr. Oz when he comes up on uh later in the program today.
	Um, so that's like the news from Lake Wobagon or the swamp or the sewer.
	But we do have an election in 32 days.
	The president will be back out on the campaign trail, is my very strong belief and conviction.
	And, you know, but there are other leftists out there that are, you know, cheering the news about the president, whole picks.
	I hope they both die.
	It's all over the place.
	This is your compassionate, loving liberal left in America.
	By the way, the jobless rate fell for the fifth straight month in a row, creating another 661,000 new jobs.
	Guess what?
	Now the unemployment rate is below 8%, 7.9.
	They are predicting now the the Atlanta Fed that third quarter GDP growth can be as high as 32%, which would be by far a record set in this country.
	Uh Hillary voters in Michigan.
	This was in the New York Post today.
	The road to the White House, again is going to run through a lot of rural blue-collar communities in Michigan and in Wisconsin and even Minnesota now and in Pennsylvania.
	And Biden has uh increasingly leaned into his working class roots, which is a joke.
	I mean, is that how Hunter made all his money?
	Uh, a different story on the ground, though, because a number of Clinton supporters on the fence about Biden now have switched to Donald Trump.
	I'm a Donald Trump supporter, and I can't tell any of my friends said Kathy Connolly, 72 semi-retired real estate agent, voted for Clinton four years ago, said she didn't approve of Trump's handling of the pandemic or his name calling, but for her, the biggest issue is the economy after she was widowed, and Trump made my life easier with the stock market.
	By the way, the stock market was a little wobbly at the start of uh business today, and it recovered nicely.
	Last time I checked, I'll I'll look at it in a minute.
	As far as uh some things I don't like him, but as far as his policies, I like them.
	I think it's for a lot of people.
	Maybe you don't like his style, but he got the job done.
	And this, you know, this is my whole point here.
	Voter uh Registration, by the way, data in battleground states are showing a huge boost for the president.
	Republicans added 195,652 voters in Florida.
	Democrats only 98,000.
	That is a big jump.
	Pennsylvania Republicans added 135,000.
	And Democrats 57,000.
	Democrats only 38,000.
	More good news.
	But you know, again, I can't tell you what's going to happen.
	Um, you know, in uh at the end of the day, couldn't anybody really tell us?
	But I'm gonna tell you this election is this this is meaningful.
	This is to me, it's you know, a five-alarm fire going off of my head uh in terms of the urgency and the importance of this election, because everything that we we hold dear and that we cherish, preserving, protecting liberty and freedom is all on the ballot.
	Second amendment rights are on the ballot, check and checks and balances are on the ballot.
	You want limited government?
	That's that's on the ballot, too.
	You got the most radical ticket of any major party in the history of this country.
	Now they're talking about court packing and and they're not hiding it.
	Now they're talking about ending the legislative filibuster, and they're not hiding that either.
	Everything's on the table, Chuck is saying.
	I guess that means eventually eliminating the electoral college.
	So New York, California, New Jersey, and Illinois will pick the every president.
	I don't think that's going to go over particularly well either.
	And every other scheme and plan that they have, but you know, court packing.
	Oh, great.
	Well, let's take over an entire branch of governments and put on liberal activist justices.
	Let's turn DC and Puerto Rico into states so we have a Senate majority of Democrats in perpetuity, which is what their hope is.
	You know, what that that they're saying these things.
	And Joe just says, uh, I'm not going to answer the question and fall into the trap.
	Pretty unbelievable.
	No matter how many times the president did it again on my show last night, disavowed the KKK, white supremacy, the proud boys.
	I don't, I don't even know anything about this group.
	Um, and and every other, you know, any other I don't I don't like racist period.
	I have no tolerance for racism or anti-Semitism or any of this crap.
	I don't want anything to do with these people.
	Nobody does.
	No normal person does.
	But there are people out there that buy into radical views of some kind.
	The justice system, uh, good luck to us.
	You gotta watch all these other issues involving, for example, you know, voter fraud.
	They should concern all of us.
	Democrats are starting, interestingly, to have second uh thoughts on mail and ballots themselves.
	New York Post pointed out, you know, please do not vote by mail unless it's absolutely necessary.
	So says a powerful state lawmaker who is urging New York residents to vote early and in person in the wake of the Board of Elections of New York, absentee ballot mailing fiasco.
	Yeah, they just happened to print a botched hundred thousand uh absentee ballots bound for Brooklyn voters.
	Well, are we now proving over and over again that this isn't good?
	Anyway, 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
	All right, so much to get to.
	Dr. Oz, we're gonna talk a lot about update you.
	We haven't done it in a while on uh coronavirus, where we are with therapeutics, where we are in this pursuit of a vaccine.
	Remember, final stage human trials began in late July.
	We have anecdotal evidence.
	What are we learning?
	Apparently they have the optimal dose that they figured out.
	Apparently, antibodies are being created, just like in phase two human trials.
	Uh, nobody's dying.
	There appear to be no serious complications at all from any of the third phase human trials going on, and just minor negative symptoms, maybe an increase in temperature, uh, a headache or uh some muscle aches, but that's about it.
	They have different uh variations on it.
	When one case you need two shots or doses of it, and another case you need one dose, but nobody, you know, everyone apparently is creating antibodies according to what we're reading.
	Hey there.
	I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
	And I'm Carol Markowitz.
	We've been in political media for a long Time.
	Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
	That's why we started normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
	We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
	We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
	So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional SAS.
	You're our kind of people.
	Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday.
	On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
	Hi, hour two, Sean Hannity Show.
	Glad you're with us, 800 941 Sean.
	You want to be a part of the program.
	32 days, and you are the ultimate jury.
	You decide.
	And what is uh in my view, the biggest tipping point election in history?
	Uh still our top story today is uh the president, the first lady um testing positive for COVID 19.
	Nancy Pelosi, well, the Trump administration's behavior has been bra a brazen invitation.
	Oh, aren't people so compassionate sometimes?
	And fake news CNN blaming the president.
	It's you know are we gonna make everything, you know, pol political?
	Uh but anyway, listen to uh some of the friendlier cuts from the media mob.
	We must have spatial distancing, we must be wearing our masks, we must have sanitation because it can help crush the virus and stop the spread.
	So maybe now that people who see the president of the United States with all the protection that he has and the first lady still having this exposure, it might be a l as you say, a learning experience.
	But more than learning, it has to be something that is acted upon.
	This is tragic, it's very sad.
	But it also is something that going into crowds uh unmasked and all the rest was sort of a a brazen invitation for something like this to happen.
	Sad that it did, uh, but nonetheless hopeful.
	Uh Carl, in large part uh it's his own der dereliction is um partly to blame for this.
	He chose to go out to rallies, he chose to uh downplay masks, he chose to not social distance.
	President has downplayed this pandemic, he's admitted to that.
	His logic was he wanted to stay positive to help America get through this highly infectious and deadly disease.
	All of this, of course, happening during an election year.
	But this morning, the president's learning in the worst possible way.
	You can't argue your way out of this pandemic.
	The president's positive test comes after months of a dangerous gamble, downplaying COVID-19, floating public health regulations, and minimizing the dangers of the virus.
	All right, that is you know, wasn't that the same Nancy Pelosi, by the way, that we saw without a mask, uh breaking the the rules out in San Francisco so she can get her hair done.
	Uh oh, yeah, the same person.
	Okay.
	Um, why put people politicize?
	Dr. Oz and I have often talked about when there is the intersection of politics and medicine, politics always wins.
	Anyway, Dr. Oz is back with us.
	We're going to take some calls from him for him if you want to join us, 800-941 Sean.
	Uh, we have a lot of ground uh to to get to today.
	Obviously, anybody that gets this, we you've been through this now for all of these many months, Dr. Oz, and you've been on the cutting edge and you've talked to doctors all over the world.
	We now know where we are in terms of therapeutics and vaccines, uh final stage testing for a number of them.
	Uh let's look let's take a snapshot of where you see the virus now versus where we were when you were on every day for a while.
	Well, we've gotten much better, primarily through the protocols we use of treating people who get ill.
	The virus itself hasn't changed that much.
	It is very infectious, and as evidenced by the fact that the most proper man in the world, most protected man in the the world just got it.
	So we can sneak through, and as much as we try to test our way to safety, uh there's no SAP substitute for the actual preventive strategies.
	And if you could go live by yourself in a in a in a hut somewhere, it'd be the safest, but that's not feasible, so we're all struggling with how much social distancing, what can happen, and that's why we ask you for a snapshot.
	Uh it looks like in Europe they're definitely uptic, but the countries are better prepared than they were.
	In some countries we're not seeing major changes.
	Sweden is an interesting example of country that took a very different approach.
	Uh other countries like Turkey where my family's from, not seeing major changes, China not seeing major changes where they're you know pretty much open And doing everything.
	So what that means to me is we can do better.
	Uh there are uh uh examples we could follow, but at the end of all the discussions that we would ever have around this virus, we need the vaccine.
	And I'm optimistic since we've near the ending of the two tr two big thirty thousand people trials, they're enrolled now pretty much.
	So we had just have to wait, you know, six weeks.
	Let's see, make sure it's safe.
	That's really critical for everyone listening, because we don't want any vaccines out there that create issues because no one's gonna take them, and then we gotta make sure they're effective.
	And then the president's already said with you know with pretty quickly roll them out so that first responders, the vulnerable populations will get them.
	That by the way will take the edge off this virus.
	If the rest of us have to wait a little longer till we have enough vaccines, it's okay as long as people who are most vulnerable are protected.
	Let's stick with the vaccine here for a second.
	Phase two trials showed us a couple of things.
	Number one, antibodies were created in the patients that took part of those trials.
	Uh they did bel they felt at the time that they had found the the ultimate or optimal dose of vaccine that was necessary to create the antibodies.
	Uh nobody died and the side effects were minimal.
	Um now that the these third stage final human trials have gone on, uh the fact that they've continued, can we assume from that fact that they also have the optimal dose down that also antibodies have been created, nobody's died.
	You had one st one one stop for about a few days, but it was not vaccine related, they determined, and that the side effects I read, for example, in the AstraZeneca study showed either minor headaches, minor or muscle sore, and that was about as bad as they saw.
	That's what I've been reading.
	What have you read?
	Uh I think you got it pretty well, Dr. Hannity.
	You guys have cool.
	Doctor, my mother my mother wanted me to be a doctor, Dr. Oz.
	She would be more proud, she's more proud of you than me, trust me.
	But the the upshot is the vaccine uh in the stage one and two, where you expose it to a few people primarily to make sure it's safe before you give it to 30,000 people, did b since they were able to check blood levels, did create antibodies.
	In fact, that's true of almost all the vaccines that are out there, and there are more than half a dozen in already large scale clinical trials.
	Um and the side effects have been, you know, very manageable.
	The one bad one was this uh Seneca transverse myelitis, which was worrisome because that's the kind of complication that uh existed in a prior vaccine and made everyone worried.
	Uh but at its very at the very core of all this, uh w you can't prove that it works until you've got fifteen thousand people get the vaccine, fifteen thousand people don't get the vaccine, they live their lives for a couple months.
	You notice, oh my goodness, the people who got the vaccine ha had half the number of COVID-19 cases.
	That's what we're looking for.
	And that's hard to tell from the fifth the f the safety pup trials.
	You have to actually do these larger called pivotal or stage three trial to figure that out.
	Now, it's not just the United States.
	These companies are often doing trials in other countries as well.
	AstraZeneca is a good example.
	Uh there's they're Chinese vaccines, they're there are different countries making different vaccines and trying them in South America and Asia.
	So the world is aggressively pursuing vaccines.
	It is almost inconceivable to me that we wouldn't find a vaccine that works at some level.
	Some of them require two shots, some will be one shot.
	There'll be other factors that might determine which country uses which vaccine, but we're gonna have a lot of vaccines out there uh and hopefully have many solutions we can pick the best ones depending on your age and you know and other factors.
	You know, when the politics gets involved in it, now the president had talked about mass production of the vaccine.
	First of all, I I do think we need to pause and and think about how profound this is.
	January twenty-first is the first identified case in coronavirus, and here we are.
	It's October the second, and now we're in final stage trials of a of a vaccine.
	Never in history has anything like this ever happened.
	Um I know there will be people suspicious of a vaccine.
	I'll get to that in a second here, but I mean it is a testament to the incredible genius and brilliance of medical researchers and scientists and medical professionals and people like yourself uh that have have moved, you know, uh the president calls it operation warp speed.
	This is warp speed, and I think it's just a tribute to everybody in terms of uh uh an all hands-on-deck health mobilization that we should really be proud of.
	We should definitely be proud of it and uh and celebrate each other for a change instead of beating each other up.
	It's unprecedented.
	It is the mobilization effort that is almost unimaginable.
	These are these are five year programs, five years, and here we are in less than one calendar year.
	We're going to have a vaccine, we're hopeful hopeful, that can they can start to to change the the destiny of the world with this COVID nineteen.
	And a couple derivative benefits just want to highlight.
	All this research helps cancer, and it helps other ailments because the technologies that are being accelerated are ones that we can use for other ailments that are also based at cells level problems.
	So the same things like a cell is a cancer at a cell level, right?
	I mean, one cell turns rogue, becomes sociopathic, damages other cells, doesn't listen, it becomes a cancer.
	And virus makes a cell behave like that.
	So we are able to use these technologies for other purposes.
	And I also believe there's a benefit of getting people to work together who normally didn't.
	It's also wonderful for the government to not cut corners but cut red tape.
	And I've been speaking to the members of the task force on the show continuously.
	And it is it these are wonderful people who are just uh unbelievably impactful.
	You're not used to thinking about government uh employees as making a big difference one by one, because it's all together they make things happen.
	These guys are individuals have stood forward.
	One took care testing, one took care of communications, one is running infections, and they've been able to pull their resources and get stuff done, which is the best of America.
	You know, as I I watched one thing remain consistent.
	I think it was last week or the week before I saw the C D C numbers.
	If you're below the age of 70 and you contract the the virus, the odds of you dying from it was extraordinarily low.
	I think it was uh zero point uh three or four percent.
	Um and you know, but if you're over seventy and you have underlying conditions and you have a compromised immune system, then things get very complicated or can get very complicated very quickly with a five to six percent mortality rate.
	Yeah, the mortality rate drops uh dramatically when you're younger.
	That's why kids have almost no issues.
	Young adults, trivial generally, they're exceptions, but generally.
	And then, of course, as you get above seventy, you you said the number, I think, correctly.
	The president will hopefully not have any major issues.
	His survival rate is well over 90 percent, but he's much higher risk than his wife, for example, and for age and weight, and being a male, because males also have bigger problems, and that's the natural history of this virus.
	However, he's not the highest risk category, which are folks who are even older, even more comorbidities with diabetes or hypertension, because Sean, when you have an inflamed body, which is what happens is you carry those morbidities around as you're older.
	That inflammation you can cope with as long as you you know everything's functioning correctly.
	But when you had a virus like COVID-19 into the mix, you supercharge inflammation.
	And a lot of people don't realize this, but the major crisis is not the virus for most people.
	It's the overreaction of your body to the virus.
	You and I have been involved in the care of many people of you know, friends that just you know are struggling, and it wasn't there's no virus left.
	It's just the bodies.
	But by the way, this is important what you're saying here, that there's an overreaction of the immune system in some people.
	And when that happens, uh it there's two things.
	First off, it causes blood collapse, it causes damage to organs, and that leads to a lot of the complications we see.
	But the good news is you can stop that.
	We have medications like steroids, which you've all used for inflammation of your skin, right?
	If you've got a rash, well, it also happens to work in your body if you've got COVID 19.
	And we've got clinical trials showing benefit there.
	There are blood thinners sometimes are valuable to prevent the end stages of this inflammation.
	So there's medications that we can use to help those groups.
	That's why the mortality of the virus has dropped pretty dramatically.
	Uh and and it is uh blunted the impact of the virus, certainly through the Sunbelt states over the summer.
	And I'm hoping as we get more of these cases in you know in this in the which we're gonna get in the fall, it won't be nearly as problematic as it was back in March and April.
	All right, Dr. Oz is with us, so we're gonna keep them for the hour.
	I I want to get to uh Dr. Owls when we get back, uh specifically in the case of the president, the first lady, or anybody that gets this this, well, I guess invisible enemy as the president calls it.
	What advice, specific advice you'd give them?
	Maybe maybe it's different advice for different ages.
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	Uh He'll remain with us for the next half hour as well.
	Let me go into this new therapeutic.
	The president had mentioned it in my interview with him last night.
	This is before he knew the results, and he had mentioned that he and the first lady had been tested.
	But let's go to there is a new company out that has showed promise.
	I forget the name of it.
	It was uh it just came out this week, and they're showing great promise.
	Do you know what that one is about?
	I don't.
	You're ahead of me.
	It's not rare, by the way.
	You can seem to get like an early warning system.
	You text me at two in the morning with ideas that are proven right by Dawn, but I would never have heard of them.
	Yeah, by the way, that's Dr. Oz pretty much calling you're a friendly host a loser.
	Um, which is all true.
	I plead guilty to the above.
	Um, but uh we've had some of our best conversations at two or three in the morning, Dr. Oz, as this has all gone through.
	Um, so I what I really want to set up though for people, and I I it it just seems so random and so odd, and it's like here, there out of anywhere that somebody can get this sometimes.
	Why is that?
	Well, the reason this virus is in our radar screen, it's not because it's so deadly.
	To your earlier point, the mortality rates in younger people uh is small, is low enough that we wouldn't have panicked, but it just spreads so aggressively because when it mutated, it it it it it had these little little um tips of it's called corona because it's shaped like a crown.
	But imagine little spikes on the dis on a sphere, and those spikes have the unique ability to unlock doors in your nose, cells that are that can be influenced.
	And when they unlock those cells, they get into them and they rapidly get the cell to reproduce these virus particles, and then of course they explode and off they go.
	It so be but because we don't even know what's happening, and because it spreads so rapidly and doesn't take very much to get you sick, the virus is very well adapted to spread.
	Now the current version of the virus is a little different from the one that hit China initially.
	Actually, maybe less problematic in some ways, but it spreads so aggressively that after it gets enough people, it'll find some weak members of our of our herd, of our species, people in nursing homes, people with multiple chronic comorbidities like hypertension or diabetes, uh obesity, and those are the folks that it really uh it hits hard.
	The younger people who've had problems often had some genetic weakness that we don't even know what it is yet, that predispose them to a much worse complication than we would normally have expected.
	Stay right there.
	Somebody finds out, like the president, the first lady late last night, they have this.
	Let's talk about the therapeutic option uh now that we've talked extensively about the vaccine.
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	All right, glad you're with us 25 till the top of the hour.
	We continue our discussion with the uh top news story today.
	The president first lady testing positive for COVID 19 for the coronavirus.
	All right, we we talked a lot about the vaccine.
	Let now let's talk about therapeutics.
	Let's say you are the doctor of the president.
	You are uh the doctor for the first lady.
	Um, what would be your first line of defense, your best recommendation for them, or or frankly, generally speaking, anybody that gets it, or maybe it would be different based on age and health conditions.
	Tell us some of those variations if you have them.
	All right, so let's talk about people who don't have COVID 19, but are living their lives so they're automatically potentially exposed.
	So I think everyone listen who can hear my voice right now.
	Ought to be on vitamin D, which is the only item that we've sh uh b uh be able to show reduces the incidence of the common cold or flu and common colds coronavirus is relative, so it might be beneficial here.
	And there's some data from Europe that higher vitamin D levels in populations corresponds to less problems of COVID.
	So vitamin D, a thousand to twelve hundred international units a day is what we've been telling folks on the show, and it's uh it's again as a safe dose.
	Or get some more sunlight, up to you.
	Vitamin C a thousand milligrams a day, pretty mu uh routines being given to people in a clinical setting, but I think it makes sense to take it prophylactically.
	And then the one that's really important is zinc.
	And zinc is important because it allows your immune cells to uh to rapidly respond.
	So you want rapidly responding immune cells to attack the virus if it comes in.
	And so giving somebody zinc and you only need to take about ten milligrams a day.
	It's in a lot of multivitamins, and so uh use i i and I know you're going there anyway, so I'll bring it up.
	If you're going to take hydroxychloroquine, and that needs to be checked with your doctor, it needs to be prescribed, and there are potential reasons why people might not want to take it.
	But if you're going to take it, and it hasn't been proven, but it it it it's a protocol from many other countries, then you should take it with high dose zinc to get the maximal benefit.
	Okay, and how much hydroxychloroquine?
	Now, Dr. Daniel Wallace, who you and I both have quoted fairly extensively, is the uh uh foremost expert, I would argue, on hydroxychloroquine.
	He has the largest lupus practice in the country, inherited that.
	Um forty-two years uh he also helps rheumatoid arthritis patients, and he's worked with anti-malarials.
	He's written four hundred plus peer reviewed articles.
	He's been dispensing this drug for 42 years.
	Hydroxychloroquine is sixty-five years old.
	Um he said a loading dose of six hundred milligrams followed by as many as thirty to sixty days of four hundred milligrams.
	W the that his words, the risk is nil, very different than what we heard from the one study that eventually ended up getting uh uh pulled I believe it was from JAMO, if not mistaken.
	Uh it was in the Lancet.
	I I gotta say my my personal philosophy is we don't know.
	And I don't think it's even worth debating whether it works or not, because that we haven't done the clinical trials that uh uh in in a way that would make anybody convinced one way or the other.
	And it's a shame because we should have done the clinical trials.
	I was pestering uh Didier Raoult, who's the French doctor who popularized uh hydrosochloroquine in the West, uh and I just yesterday we're getting into an argument saying you really should do a clinical trial, and he says, I'm I think uh it's unethical.
	I'm getting success without it.
	Why should I?
	Because the reason you have to do it is because we just don't know.
	And that's why I would never tell anyone to take it or not take it based on evidence because we don't know.
	However, to your point, uh I do believe it's safer than has been portrayed in uh the press, just based on the experience with with uh it's used for lupus, but also for malaria, where there's probably a billion people who've taken the drug.
	All of it's then done, it doesn't prove that it works.
	But I know that it's a national protocol.
	There are countries that uh that routinely, as soon as you come into the emergency room, you're given the medication together in Turkey, for example, where my family's from, uh you're given that medication plus uh remdesivir or or antiviral.
	That's still that's your national protocol.
	And they give it to everybody uh who tests positive for COVID nineteen.
	Does it work?
	So they're taking hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir together.
	Together, which is not an unreasonable thing to do.
	You there are a lot of people who uh believe that you need to take an antiviral relatively early to slow the viral progression.
	And if you're going to take uh something like hydroxychloroquine, it might work in a different pathway, so they don't they don't seem to overlap.
	But again, it hasn't been proven.
	At least Remdesivir had one clinical trial showing that when taken early in the course of the illness, it's shortened the illness, which is why I would certainly want to think about remdesivir for the president because of his risk factors.
	But you know, he if he has truly mild symptoms right now, most people would do nothing.
	Just because most people do just fine getting through the virus on their own.
	So why create any potential issues in drug side effects by introducing any medication?
	Uh dis early in the course of its uh This is the first time that I heard that hydroxychloroquine and remdisovir could be used together.
	That's news to me.
	But again, you also talk about with hydroxy in particular using zinc at a hundred milligrams a day uh for five five days.
	Uh what is the dosage of hydroxy and what is the the optimal dose of remdisovir?
	Well, I I I mean I I I think the dose of hydrasochloroquine you gave of six hundred milligrams or four hundred milligrams, depending on the doctor's choice is fine.
	But I don't want to give people doses because you can't do this on your own.
	You did a doctor No, this has to be with a doctor.
	I agree.
	You have to consult your own doctor.
	If I tell you you've the dosing, you'll try to go out and get it yourself and try to dose yourself, and I don't want people doing that.
	This is these are not.
	Yeah, you know what my doctor says to me, you'll get a kick out of this.
	I'll call him, I say, Well, uh, this is going on, this is going on, and uh I read this, this, and this, and you'd go, okay.
	So do you want to listen to me who's done this his whole life, or would you prefer to listen to Dr. Google?
	Which is a pretty good line.
	That's very good.
	It's his way of basically telling me to shut up.
	I don't know what I'm talking about.
	That's what it takes, believe me.
	But but here's the thing I do want to emphasize.
	Oh, that's all everything I talked about now, is sort of nice, but the real lifesaver is actually the reduction of the inflammatory reaction that is killing so many.
	Because it's not the virus often, it's the overreaction as we're discussing.
	So the ability to use steroids, which everyone knows might be beneficial for other ailments that you might have rashes on.
	That has really made a big difference because if we see that people are beating the virus, but then their immune system now is overreacting, beating them.
	You can use steroids in pretty sizable doses and slow that down.
	And that has been really valuable in the clinical.
	Tell me which particular steroids out there, starting, I guess, with prednisone and some others.
	Well, what particular steroids are you talking about?
	Well, dexamethasone was the one used in these trials.
	But again, for the listeners, it you I you can't dose yourself.
	You can't just go buy some prednisone and try it out.
	Don't be a chemistry lab.
	Because you know, you don't know how to we're not advising that.
	I agree.
	We're just telling you to talk to your doctor, right?
	You're cracking me up.
	There are steroids.
	Yeah, they're steroids that have been used in really sick people in the hospital and dramatically changed their natural history.
	And and it it's you know, it's a such a simple treatment.
	But until we understood that that's what the virus was doing to you, we couldn't be even contemplate using it.
	Because on the surface, you wouldn't give steroids to someone fighting infection because it weakens your immune system, which is why you don't want to take steroids early in the course of this illness, because your body should be allowed to beat it first.
	But if you beaten it and you didn't stop beating it, that's when doctors very carefully will start to say, you know what, maybe today, for the first time after a week and a half or whatever it is of watching you, we think you should for the first time try steroids.
	So that would be brought in later if there seems to be an immune system overreaction, which you rightly point out, because I know people that this has happened to, um, and and people that I that actually you know, because I asked you specific questions about specific people, and you were always very generous with your time and and knowledge and help and um and and by the way, you were usually right, but that would be a a later course if in fact you were struggling, say respiratory struggles of some kind, right?
	Exactly.
	And I think we've also gotten much better about ventilators and we're using high flow oxygen instead of putting ventilators in people so that it allows your lungs to to bounce back a little more on their own without overwhelming them with the being ventilated, which sometimes forces too much air into the lungs.
	There's lots of subtle things we've learned about the management of critical people with COVID nineteen, and that's why the mortality rate has dropped so much across the country.
	All right, quick break.
	We'll come back more with Dr. Oz on the other side as uh we continue our uh long discussion updating all things COVID nineteen in light of the news of the president and first lady.
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	And as we continue with Dr. Oz uh in light of today's breaking news about the president and first lady testing positive for COVID nineteen.
	Now Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have tested negative today, uh and they're now back out on the cam tra campaign trail.
	Uh i there was not any uh close proximity to the president.
	There was distance between them.
	And that's four days later.
	Is that about enough time to determine that there's no way the president could have given if he had at the time uh asymptomatic if he had COVID that he could have passed it on to the former vice president?
	You don't know.
	And I d I hate to be a buzzkill on this, but it's been three days.
	He was twelve feet away.
	I I tried to measure it uh just looking at their heights, I think that's about the right number.
	And that's I that's appropriately socially distanced.
	So by C D C protocols, there's no need for it pres for Vice President Biden to quarantine or do anything.
	However, no one knows what the impact of standing twelve feet away from someone who may have had COVID nineteen and having you know a shouting match back and forth uh for ninety minutes will do.
	You know, we just don't know.
	And so is there a possibility, I'll be it small, that if the president was expressing virus, which again, it doesn't seem like he had any symptoms at all, and hopefully he had no virus because he'd been checked before he went out to to debate.
	But we only know what happens, you know, a couple two days, two two and a half days later when he got tested again.
	So in theory he was an infectious.
	But if he was, and if he was debating for an hour and a half, there's possibility that virus could have gotten into the air around Vice President.
	See, but the thing is is both of them tested negative on Tuesday.
	I know, but that if we the problem with the testing, uh I mean, first of all, the testing is good because it means that they weren't expressing virus at the moment, which gives me the most confidence that the vice president wasn't exposed to the the uh the to the president.
	But uh once most people test positive, they've already been expressing the virus for again a couple hours, a couple of days.
	You can't it depends when you got tested.
	So you don't you know, unless you magically catch that moment when the first virus comes out of your body and test it, you're gonna miss the window.
	That's the risk for testing.
	That's why you cannot test yourself to safety.
	Because no matter how much you test, there's always going to be that time between when you first start developing viral illness before you have symptoms and before you get tested where you could infect others.
	So let's just play this out.
	You get exposed to somebody and Tuesday, election night.
	I mean uh debate night, right?
	And then four days later on average is when people start to express virus, we'll usually catch it by day five.
	So there's that one day period in between.
	Many people won't get tested on day five, so they get tested on day six, seven, or eight.
	So now you've got a four-day window when you're actually expressing virus in your body when no one can find it.
	And that's why I keep hammering.
	Although we have to test, it's really important because it identifies secret hidden cases, right?
	The president would never have known he was ill.
	He only has mild symptoms now.
	He would have written it off to a long work week.
	But by testing, you identify people and can get them to isolate.
	But it it's uh it's it's not the same as truly self-distance, you know, distancing you for yourself from other people, wearing masks appropriately.
	Those those facts those do matter because you'll never gonna overwhelm the benefit of that.
	Yeah, um by the way, I I used it anecdotally for a long time, and a lot of people kind of criticize me for saying I don't have a problem wearing the mask at all.
	As a matter of fact, anecdotally, uh in the middle of the worst of this, as you recall, uh, I I thought going into my local grocery store and drugstore every week and seeing everybody masked up and nobody got the virus, it told me that probably works.
	I I got I I was I with you in the middle of the worst of the words.
	By the way, I got the crap beat out of me often because for saying that.
	Well, you're you're brave.
	Uh and people don't give you credit for it because you say things that you know get on the people's skins on both sides.
	That's how you know you're actually speaking the truth, is you know, people care what you're saying.
	But I think your wisdom is there.
	There is there's no way we can get listen, I've spoken to folks on the on the White House Task Force and over and over again on the show.
	And when I asked them, give me the basics.
	What do you wish everyone would do?
	Don't give me fifty things.
	Just give me two things.
	It's wear mask, avoid super spreader events.
	So don't go mosh pit diving in the middle of uh party.
	Because that's the problem.
	You just ruined my weekend plans.
	I was about to go marsh pit diving this weekend, darn it.
	But if you're gonna be exposed To people on a subway, uh, on a plane, because you have to.
	Uh you're gonna live your life, wear a mask.
	And we've been back in the studio for a month now.
	We test meticulous, I get tested three times a week.
	All my camera folks, they never take their masks off.
	I forgot what they look like.
	Yeah, you know, they've we've been together twelve years.
	Everyone is is as careful as they can be, because we don't want to stop the production of the show.
	And if you really care, wear a mask.
	We're gonna have to.
	No, we can't have you down.
	We the America needs to know how hard all throughout this whole process, uh, the many, many n sleepless nights on the phone with people from all over the world just trying to accumulate as much information as possible.
	And as you often said, it's you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had.
	So much hope now for the vaccine, and and we got to stand back and look at look at that that progress and be happy and celebrate the goodness, the greatness, the advancement in medical research and scientists and medical professionals, because you guys are amazing in what you do every day.
	Um, Dr. Oz, as always, you've been amazing.
	Thank you so much for spending so much time with us today.
	We really appreciate it.
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	All right, news roundup and information overload hours.
	Sean Hannity show.
	A lot of news today.
	Uh as uh the president, by the way, will be holding a virtual, I guess, rally tonight.
	Um, if it's happening during Hannity, we will uh dip in and out of that.
	We'll be covering it live.
	We'll let you know what time that has all taken place.
	Uh pretty interesting after the diagnosis yesterday.
	Um, you know, one thing that has been f a uh a pretty bizarre phenomenon to me, I I don't waste a lot of time talking about these the people that thought they were Republican.
	You know, uh got for example, you have Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace.
	I've known them for years when they were running John McCain's campaign, um, and when Nicole uh Wallace worked for George W. Bush.
	Uh, I knew her then.
	I have nothing against either one of them.
	They're allowed to have their own political opinions.
	Uh I remember Joe Scarborough when, you know, one day in particular when the 2000 election took place, calls me.
	I was walking around my backyard as he's telling me they're stealing this election from George W. Bush.
	Uh, he claims he's a conservative.
	Uh I would beg to differ with that.
	I think he is not at all.
	Um, but you have this whole the Lincoln project group of people.
	Um, everybody's entitled to their own political views, but you're not going to tell me that all of these people that that rage against Trump, and it is rage, that are backing Biden, but yet calling themselves publicly Republicans is believable to me.
	Because they're they're now they are now actively going against the single greatest governing conservative we've had in our lifetime, and that being Donald Trump.
	And they are supporting, well, let's be honest, the weak, frail, uh cognitively compromised Joe Biden, a guy that won't even answer a question about stacking the court, sending the legislative filibuster.
	He won't take a stand well, the stands that he has taken are what the Bolshevik Bernie manifesto, as we discussed earlier, and and all these other radical stands and eliminating oil and gas and the new Green Deal and open borders and amnesty, and we know his weakness on foreign policy, i.e.
	the mullahs and Iran getting 150 billion dollars in cash and other currency, and we getting nothing.
	Um, but that is what would happen if they have their way in just 32 short days.
	Um there's actually a book that has now been written about this.
	I'm gonna get to the author in a second here.
	Um, because I think it's I I just think it's a critical moment uh for all of us to ask, you know, ask yourself do you really believe the the people when they when they talk about this?
	Let's go to, for example, the president talking about mail infraud.
	I don't hear any former Republican speaking out, and I've got to imagine if it was John McCain or Mitt Romney or a more moderate or rhino republican that they would be feeling this way.
	This is gonna be all over.
	This is in Virginia, this is in New Jersey.
	It's a very, very sad thing.
	And hopefully we can win by a lot, because I have no doubt that they're gonna be doing a number.
	I have no doubt about it.
	And the press knows that too.
	You know, they access so sacrosanct.
	They uh ex oh, it's so terrible.
	He's talking about our democracy.
	They know what's going on.
	It's really a shame.
	If the if the other side did this, you would see everybody would be arrested, put in jail.
	You have to see what's going on.
	Yeah, now let's listen to who the people I was talking about.
	These are these are people that identify themselves as Republicans, but they will buy into the most radical extreme socialist views and ideas that would turn this country on its head.
	If in fact Biden, Bolshevik Bernie, Kamala Harris, AOC ever get power.
	Just listen to them.
	Hi everyone.
	It's four o'clock in New York.
	America's Mad King George woke up to devastating reviews this morning of his latest turn on the world stage at the G7 Summit.
	Donald Trump, I truly believe doesn't know any better.
	I truly believe he's the hamburger eating Zamboni riding loon that we see on TV and on Twitter.
	What we should be doing is shunning these people.
	Shunning shaming these people is a statement of moral indignation that these people are not fit for polite society.
	I think it's absolutely abhorrent that any institution of higher learning, any um news organization or any or uh entertainment uh organization that has a news outlet would hire these people.
	In every instance, uh the administration has been found to be lying on all these issues.
	They they couldn't be more vile than if they were monkeys hurling their excrement at each other in a cage.
	The Republican Party is as far as I can tell is is is gone dead and buried in it's probably never coming back.
	Doesn't exist.
	All right, the party uh Trump has to be burnt down.
	There's a book on it, and I found it fascinating, actually.
	It's called Disloyal Opposition.
	Uh how the uh hashtag Never Trump Right tried and failed to take down the president, Julie Kelly.
	Uh thanks for being with us.
	Well, it uh you know, in one sense that they are working probably as hard, if not harder, than the radical Democratic Socialist at defeating Donald Trump.
	I mean, you've got powerful institutional forces, all of the Democratic Party.
	You've got all pretty much all the media, 99%, and you've got all of these never Trumpers, the Lincoln Project, the the Joe Scarboroughs, all these, you know, MSDNC so-called Republicans that aren't Republicans at all, uh, the same people that would urge us, Julie, to suck it up for the good of the party and support the rhino.
	That's exactly right, Sean, and thank you so much for having me on.
	It's important that people realize in uh the loop that you're playing of Jennifer Rubin and Nicole Wallace and Max Boot, these people are uh illusion artists, right?
	So they can only be valuable or get their gigs on the Washington at the Washington Post or on MSNBC and CNN, giving this false impression that they're conservatives and Republicans who oppose Donald Trump and they somehow represent a large swath of the Republican Party.
	So they're really fraudsters, but they act in one of the chapters in my book is called useful idiots.
	They act as useful idiots to the left, and it just helps fuel this nonstop uh campaign crusade against the president.
	And in the meantime, here they are, as you point out, supporting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
	They supported Democrats in 2018.
	They want Democrats to take over every uh every branch of government and the courts.
	They're already preparing to cite the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett.
	They're really contemptible people.
	And honestly, I would rather I will take the left over the never Trumpers, because at least with the left and the Democrats, you know who you're dealing with.
	These people are flat out frauds, and they are funded, as I point out in my book, not by the right, but by left-wing billionaires who are pouring tens of millions of dollars into their never Trump projects.
	Where is all of that money coming from?
	Because there's spending in a lot of money.
	I I I don't really pay as much attention to uh this because you know, look, I'll be honest, Julie.
	I take the opinion if you if you want to be a never Trumper and you want to tell everybody you're a Republican, I don't believe you, but you know, you're free to do and say whatever you want and spend as much money as I guess you can raise.
	Well, where are they being funded from?
	Well, as I point out in my book, one of their major funders is a billionaire named Pierre Omidiar.
	He is the founder of eBay, and he is funding tens of millions of dollars, pouring them into these never Trump projects, people groups headed up by folks like Bill Crystal, Evan McMullen.
	Um, some people might be hearing about this group called Republican voters against Trump.
	Um it's funded by Mr. O'Midiar, uh, an umbrella group of Bill Crystals funded by Omidiar.
	But uh the reason why people should pay attention is because they are, for example, spending eight to ten million dollars in Florida running ads with Republicans or people who are purported to be Republicans, giving their endorsement for Joe Biden and explaining why Donald Trump is the worst person and he should not be the Republican candidate for president.
	And so they are going into these swing states, pretending that they are Republicans, putting up people who claim to be Republicans, but their money's coming not from conservatives or Republicans, but from left-wing billionaires who are associated with other billionaires such as Tom Steyer, George Soros.
	They're all in this operation together.
	But if you're just an average person who's not obsessing over this, and you see these ads running in Ohio or in Florida or Pennsylvania, you're really kind of can be left with the impression that there are a lot of Republicans opposed to the president.
	When these are just paid flax uh to give voters this fake impression.
	You know, I I it just is amazing to me because I I don't believe for a second that they believe uh in any of this.
	I I saw Nicole Wallace, I mean, it was her and Steve Schmidt that ultimately made the decision for John with John McCain uh in terms of picking Sarah Palin and she's trying to do penance and and her deeply she deeply regrets it.
	Uh I don't think she should deeply regret anything because Governor Palin gave John McCain a a boost that he desperately needed, and that was he did not have a lot of support within conservative ranks.
	And, you know, I I still believe in my heart he would have been a better president than Obama, just like I think Romney would have been a better president than Obama.
	But with that said, uh I don't think any either one of them were particularly strong candidates, especially in 2012.
	I think we could have won that race.
	Absolutely right.
	And how infuriating now to see Mitt Romney turn on the president in so many ways.
	You know, here's the man who really lost what most of us believed at the time was a winnable race, and now he is turning on the Republican Party who supported him, volunteered for him, donated to his campaign in you know, helping the left and the Democrats try to take down Donald Trump.
	And their role was even more insidious shunt.
	You know, I watch you all the time and and so appreciative for your coverage of the Russian collusion hoax.
	But these never Trumpers were really the first people to peddle the collusion hoax, and they continued throughout 2016 and all the way through the Muller report, they just seized on every single little bombshell, lying to the American people and their readers and their listeners and viewers that this was a legitimate crime when they knew that it wasn't.
	And so they have really acted as an insidious player in this non-stop permanent coup uh against Donald Trump.
	But they've not just turned against the president, they've turned against the Republican Party.
	They've turned against the Republican rank and file.
	And at a you know what my point is just stop claiming you're a Republican or a conservative.
	Just stop.
	Let me just be honest.
	You're a liberal Democrat.
	You're supporting a socialist.
	Well, honestly, you're supporting a weak, frail, cognitively challenged, radical socialist who will probably be controlled by the hardest left uh leaders in the party.
	And it's funny, even if you pull up old tweets, say of Rick Wilson, who's now working with Steve Schmidt and others on the Lincoln project.
	If you look at his old tweets about Joe Biden, I mean, they're completely 180 degrees, obviously, than what he's saying right now.
	But Sean, as I pointed out in my book, and to your point, they're not Republicans or conservatives.
	Someone like Jen Rubin, who really is one of the more contemptible of the bunch, they have pivoted on every single conservative opinion they ever had, from pro-life to uh the second amendment to climate change, tax cuts, the budget, you name it.
	There is nothing conservative or Republican about these folks anymore.
	Um, and it's sort of a shame that these media outlets, and we know why, they don't want us on there defending Donald Trump or his agenda or the Republican Party.
	They want these folks to act as they're useful idiots.
	The big question, Sean, is what happens when Donald Trump is not president anymore?
	Where does the Jennifer Rubin go?
	Stay right there.
	We we we gotta take a break.
	We'll come back.
	Uh the book is phenomenal.
	I mean, it's it's something I've been interested in.
	I don't spend a lot of time talking about the Never Trump or crowd, because I just don't care about any of them.
	They mean nothing to me.
	Disloyal opposition, how the Never Trump Right tried failed to take down the President.
	And they're by the way, they're trying hard to do so in 32 days.
	And as we continue, Julie Kelly is with us talking about the Never Trump Right or New Book, Amazon.com bookstores everywhere, disloyal opposition, how the Never Trump Right tried and failed to take down the President.
	Although I don't I would argue they're not right.
	I would argue that they've always been left.
	That's right.
	Uh they most of them have been, and they continue to, you know, Bill Crystal had that famous tweet right uh about eight two years ago where he claimed he had found his inner socialists and found his inner feminists.
	And like, come on, you've had that all along.
	You just sort of use the Republican Party as your vehicle to fame and attention and power, quite frankly.
	Um and so as a detail in my book, they're not conservative, they pivoted on every position.
	Some of them were in on the character assassination of Brett Kavanaugh.
	Some of them jumped on the social media mob.
	Again, think about this, Sean.
	You have pro-life teenagers, right?
	These are the sort of young people that the conservative movement has claimed to want to raise for the past three decades.
	Here you have young young people traveling in the dead of winter from Kentucky to Washington, DC, take on a social cause.
	It is wildly unpopular uh among their their friends, their young friends.
	But they did so, and then here you had top conservative movement, pundits, uh magazine editors jump on the social media mob against these kids.
	That for me was really a defining moment about their motives, their thought process, and just who these people really are at their core.
	I gotta let you go.
	It's a great book.
	Uh Amazon.com bookstores everywhere, disloyal opposition, how the never Trump Right tried failed to take down the president.
	Julie, fascinating analysis.
	I've they they have puzzled me because the fact they claim something we know is not true is pretty amazing.
	Uh eight hundred nine four one Sean, our toll free uh telephone number as we continue.
	All right, twenty-five till the top of the hour, eight hundred nine four one Sean, you want to be a part of the program uh on the issue of opening up the economy, uh, which is a top, top priority for most Americans, and opening up save it uh you know, safely, of course.
	Uh we have a day when Andrew Cuomo is warning of a potential spike in coronavirus cases.
	Uh in the fall, U.S. Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia said he believes some parts of the country have been too cau cautious regarding reopening the economy.
	Uh let's go to uh the president saying Democrats in these states where it is safe need to open up.
	You take a look at what's happening in some of your democrat-run states where they have these tough shutdowns.
	And I'm telling you, it's because they don't want to open it.
	One of them came out last week.
	You saw that.
	Oh, we're gonna open up on November 9th.
	Why November 9th?
	Because it's after the election.
	They think they're hurting us by keeping them closed.
	They're hurting people.
	People know what to do.
	They can social distance, they can wash the hands, they can wear masks, they can do whatever they want.
	But they gotta open these states up, and he'll close down the whole country.
	This guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country.
	Our country is coming back incredibly well, setting records as it does it.
	We don't need somebody to come in and say, Let's shut it down.
	All right, that was the president in the debate the other night, Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia has uh weighed in on this that we do and we know how to reduce transmission and and open safely, you know.
	But don't we all wish there was no risk in life?
	Of course we do.
	Nobody wants one death in anything.
	Nobody wants car accidents either or plane crashes.
	And it's a matter of uh do you just freeze life and and how do you survive then?
	Remember in New York, at the worst of this, I would always talk about well, if the if if the people that manufactured the medical equipment, if they shut down, New York would have been dead.
	If farmers stopped farming, if packers stop stopped packing and truckers stop trucking, well, what would be in the stores in New York, Long Island and New Jersey and and some of these other early states that were hit so hard?
	You wouldn't survive.
	You know, well, we say they're essential workers.
	Okay, well, what do we learn?
	You know, I I said it so many times at the peak of all this and the epicenter of all of this that I'd go to my local grocery store once, twice a week.
	I'd see every single person there every single week, and I they all had their masks on.
	They all had the plexiglass up and many wore shields and and goggles, but nobody got COVID 19 by following those protocols.
	Uh now, some people have you know no appetite.
	They they just they they choose not to wear the mask.
	I personally recommend have been recommending it, but that's my choice.
	I'm not gonna sit there, but stores would have the right to tell you not to go in.
	Anyway, Eugene Scalia is the labor secretary here to uh uh talk a little bit about this, and then we'll get to your calls in a minute.
	First of all, I was a big fan of your father, um, the late Justice Antonin Scalia, who I think was one of the most brilliant judicial minds in the history of the country with an incredible wit, uh knowledge and humor that that's almost unparalleled.
	Uh thank you for being with us.
	Uh Sean, thank you.
	It's great to join you.
	And yeah, thanks for those kind words, and obviously uh we're thrilled to uh see uh one of my father's clerks and one that he uh thought so highly of uh now nominated for the Supreme Court.
	Yeah, I mean, uh we know that uh, for example, your your dad would always talk about being an originalist, a textual uh textualist, a a constitutionalist, and very different from this idea of judicial activism or surpassing or bypassing other co-equal branches of government and legislating from the bench.
	Um opening the economy and opening it safely.
	I mean, it's you're threading a needle.
	There's no perfect way to do it.
	We all know that, but it is happening and it's happening successfully in many parts of the country.
	Well, that's right.
	Here's how I put it.
	Uh we we have to continue to reopen safely, but we have to reopen for safety's sake.
	In other words, we we we you know, we we know we can reopen safely.
	We're doing it across the country.
	Uh but uh one of the reasons to be reopening is it uh it does promote uh health, well-being uh uh as long as we do it safely.
	We've seen evidence, for example, of uh uh opioid and other drug overdoses increasing.
	Uh there's new uh data coming out about you know so tragic uh suicides in the military that are being attributed to uh increased isolation.
	So so many reasons uh to uh reopening uh doing it safely.
	And uh, you know, we saw uh more news today about the progress we're making.
	Uh we put out our monthly jobs report in the private sector.
	We added nearly 900,000 uh more jobs in in August.
	We've now brought back more than half the jobs we lost, Sean, but I'll tell you that um uh I'm sorry, September jobs report was dragged down uh a bit by job losses in education, about 350,000 fewer jobs uh than uh we would have expected uh in education in September because of the school closures.
	Well, it's important.
	Now, when you're working with these businesses, it's amazing how they've adopted.
	I mean, uh I like for example, some of the restaurants now, um, number one in New York, at least for the summer, they opened up outdoors.
	Uh now some of them have 25 percent capacity, but no restaurant can really survive.
	There was an estimate that 50 percent of restaurants in New York will be gone as a result of of COVID-19 and the and the long uh drawn-out shutdown that they've had.
	I I don't know how those businesses ever come back.
	Well, uh restaurants, as you know, always operate on a on a tight margin.
	It has been hard for them.
	Uh it's part of the reason why the paycheck protection program uh was so important, but it's part of the reason why uh we need additional help uh through the paycheck protection program going forward, which uh Nancy Pelosi and the uh Democrats have uh made so difficult to do.
	Uh I I do think there are uh some states that uh can uh go farther in allowing the restaurants to open.
	Uh as you know, New York just in Manhattan just let uh restaurants start having a low level of uh uh in Restaurant dining uh uh earlier this week.
	So um th a lot of jobs there in leisure and hospitality, which includes restaurants.
	We added a lot back in September, but I think we can make more progress uh by reopening more safely.
	Uh not not being uh over cautious as as we uh move forward against the virus.
	Yeah.
	Well, uh, you know, I'd like to see all that happening.
	Where do you see third quarter growth?
	The Atlanta Fed, I believe was the one that came out, and they they project it could be as high as uh thirty-two percent growth in in GDP, which would shatter any previous record in the history of this country.
	Well, uh yes, I think we are seeing estimates of that rage, maybe even just a little bit higher.
	Uh and you know, we'll see those numbers soon.
	I'll tell you though, and uh when you uh in addition to the employment numbers we're seeing, we uh got news yesterday about growth in manufacturing.
	We've seen consumer confidence going up, the uh uh uh residential real estate market, uh new home sales has has just been going gangbusters.
	So there are a lot of signs of vitality in the economy right now.
	Another really interesting development is just the extraordinary number of new business openings.
	Uh record number of new business openings uh over the summer, uh reflecting people who were responding to the virus uh with optimism uh and with entrepreneurialism, by the way.
	Well, we really appreciate the update.
	Uh when we get these third quarter GDP numbers, it's gonna tell an even bigger story.
	Uh Mr. Secretary, thank you for being with us.
	Um I I was a huge fan of uh your dad's.
	I'm I'm now a fan of yours too.
	I've watched your work closely, and uh please my best to your mom and and the rest of your family.
	Thanks very much, Sean.
	Have a good weekend.
	All right, you too.
	800 nine four one Sean is our number quickly.
	We'll get to a couple of calls here.
	Uh let us say hi to Scott.
	He's in Louisiana.
	Scott, hi, how are you?
	Glad you called, sir.
	Great, Sean, it's an honor to talk to you today.
	I just wanted to tell you that uh the Supreme Court nomination thing, after everything the snivelling Democrats have pulled over the last four years, they deserve absolutely no consideration in the confirmation process whatsoever.
	And I'd like to also submit that uh the coronavirus probably is the number one reason we need to get her confirmed before the election.
	Well, listen, I agree with you.
	I I'm I was a little surprised Mitch McConnell didn't guarantee that because Lindsay Graham has been very clear as the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee that they that Amy Coney Barrett will be out of committee.
	I think she said by the 22nd of October, which means that they can vote on her I think as early as the 26th, which I think they should do expeditiously, and you know the Democrats would do, and you know, they're like petulant children now and they're throwing a hissy fit every day in a temperatantrum by screaming uh they're uh all the everything's on the table.
	Ending the legislative filibusters, packing the courts.
	Uh I guess they'll move forward eventually with eliminating the electoral college, at least they'll attempt it.
	That'll be more difficult.
	Um and they and Pelosi, we can impeach the president any day for any reason.
	I mean, the the the vile hatred of all things Trump, you know, just continues to to just wreak havoc on the country, and they seemingly don't care, do they?
	No, they don't.
	But I have confidence in Mitch.
	I mean, look what happened with uh with my uh uh the last Supreme Court justice the Democrats wanted to put forward, I forget his name, but uh, you know, Mitch wasn't gonna have it, and he knows this is of extreme important.
	So I I'm I'm not counting out Mitch yet.
	No, I'm not either.
	All right, Scott, Louisiana, thank you for being with us.
	San Antonio Peter is next.
	Peter, hi, how are you?
	Glad you called.
	Hey, Sean.
	Hey, thanks for everything you do.
	Um, the reason the reason I called, I just wanted to I mentioned your collar because of all that's been going on with uh the studies.
	I am currently an orthopedic surgeon here in San Antonio, and I am part of the phase three study.
	You are oh yeah.
	I've listened I did phase the phone.
	Which can I ask which study, which company, AstraZeneca, Moderna, which one?
	Pfizer.
	Pfizer.
	Okay.
	By the way, Pfizer seems to have made the most progress.
	Well, I you know, I do my research.
	I'm I'm 67 years old.
	You know, I did phase one stuff when I was in med school.
	You know, you have brothers or somebody who's doctors, medical students are one step above a rat lab rat and one step below a monkey.
	So we basically would do phase one studies for some income as med students, you know, just to see what the safety was.
	You know, that we'd take a drug or a shot.
	I did phase two uh for Ebola, and that's basically to see how much to give people.
	And um I felt it was important because I had a forty percent mortality rate.
	And that in case I had to take care of Ebola patients.
	Um and I took a very high dose.
	Um but it turned out to be very valuable.
	But uh but my understanding Peter is that if you're in this final phase of of of trials that there's half the group that gets a placebo and the other half in fact gets the vaccine do you know if you've gotten the vaccine at this point?
	Yes.
	I had a temperature of 99 that night um so I know I got it.
	My wife had no reaction whatsoever.
	But see that's the whole point.
	Everybody says safe but effective I feel we've worked out the safe part.
	You know I'm not stupid at 67.
	So have you been tested for antibodies yet?
	Uh today I did.
	Oh so you don't know the answer yet?
	No, I ran 99.
	I usually run 97.
	Um did you get one shot or two?
	I got two and both times I went to ninety-nine which is um you know well that means you probably got it and what I'm what what phase two trial showed is that though that people that took it they might have a slight reaction like you did or muscle soreness or even a headache uh but that was it nobody was dying and everybody was producing antibodies I would assume when you get the calls back and let us know if you got the antibodies.
	Well the phase three the other thing about it is it may take a while because in Ebola it was night and day they weren't over there and the people that got vaccinated didn't have any problems and the people that didn't get vaccinated a lot of them died so they stopped phase three within three weeks.
	The problem in San Antonio it's not really a problem is we don't have that much disease around as much.
	So and we're still being protective I still wear a mask and gloves because I don't want my patients to get anything I still take D, C, and zinc like Dr. Oz mentions and so it may take months because it's basically efficacy which group gets the most and which one doesn't and at some point I think they should probably release the vaccine the only risk you'd have is it doesn't work um to people.
	I'd give it to my mother tomorrow she's 93.
	Yeah look I mean and the fact that they have in place the means of mass production of this especially the most vulnerable would get it first I think is right is is just smart and also mass distribution using the military as the president has talked about that's pretty good too.
	Anyway well thanks for sharing that with us appreciate it Peter um and wish you and your your wife the best and uh thank you for being brave in doing that because you're helping your fellow man out by doing it.
	And by the way when you sign up for these trials you know there's a risk always associated with it.
	And all these people they they bravely do it anyway and they do it in the hopes that they can help in in finding an answer for other people if they get sick.
	All right that's going to wrap things up for today hope you will always set your D V Rine Eastern tonight Hannity on Fox the left's vile bile hatred the media mobs hatred it just the venom that comes out now we'll talk about all of that.
	Also we're going to get a medical update from our medical aid team Dr. Oz Dr. Ronnie Jackson call Rove he gives us his take with Ari Fleischer 32 days out on Monday it is only 29 days and you are the ultimate jury.

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