Sean Hannity Show - Knowing George Floyd

June 10, 2020 - Sean Hannity Show

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Knowing George Floyd

Pastor Patrick “P.T.” Ngwolo Lead Pastor of the Resurrection Houston, which was George Floyd’s church. Pastor PT discusses his congregant George Floyd and the nation’s response to his murder. The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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	All right, glad you're with us.
	Thanks, Scott Shannon, 800-941-Sean.
	You want to be a part of the program 146 days until you become the ultimate jury.
	There's more at stake in this tipping point election than I can even begin to start with today.
	We will be going through all of this in detail, and I have a lot to say about it in the next 146 days.
	And you could see all the forces in the mob and the media.
	You can see all of the forces in the Democratic Party align to do anything that they can do to stop the reelection of Donald J. Trump as president.
	And what are they offering?
	Well, a version, a vision of America that will make this country, in my view, you know, unrecognizable.
	Free market capitalism will be replaced by radical extreme, predictable failure in socialism.
	Socialism has been tried all throughout the world.
	It has always failed.
	They will upend the rule of law and the Constitution.
	We will get rid of the lifeblood of the world's economy, energy independence, and we will tell everybody everything's for free.
	None of that will ever happen.
	We'll go back to policies of appeasement, terms of foreign policy, rather than peace through strength, rebuilding our military.
	You'll have radicals on the courts.
	They even want to stack the courts and they want to get rid of the Electoral College.
	They do all of this.
	It has never been a more clear choice than this one, where this country is going to go.
	By the way, some sad news, but it's really, I don't think it's very surprising.
	But we now have the coronavirus task force has now been warning governors that with all these protests going on, a lot of people at them, some of them, many of them, don't have masks on.
	We have 70 coronavirus testing sites have been destroyed during the riots.
	Our figure now is 749 police officers with the quote, we're told peaceful protesters.
	And there are many peaceful protesters that are showing genuine outrage.
	What happened with Mr. Floyd?
	But then you have, well, those that have been violent, those that have been looting, those that have been involved in arson, those that have been throwing bottles and rocks and bricks and Molotov cocktails at the police.
	749 now have been injured, 22 concussions alone in Washington, D.C.
	We have lost the lives of a number of officers.
	Over 20 some are people, other people have been killed.
	We're going to talk about this with the pastor, lead pastor of Resurrection Houston, which was George Floyd's church.
	His pastor will join us later in the program.
	Also, my sensei, sensei Glenn, we're going to talk about the lack of training with some police departments and how that can go a long way in terms of helping people better understand, number one, the human anatomy so something like this never happens again.
	And what are the ways to get compliance if people just had a little bit more training?
	You know, some people are saying, well, Hannity, he advocated getting a different kind of gun, a non-lethal gun to shoot people.
	No, for self-defense, where if God, you know, people have made mistakes and where it has projectiles that have tear gas and varying pepper sprays.
	It's the burner gun.
	We put it up on Hannity.com, burner.com, but, you know, and I purchased my own.
	I like that it is non-lethal.
	I think it could help police forces have another option in their arsenal that doesn't include a bullet that will kill somebody.
	And again, if our goal is ultimately to save lives and yet keep law and order, that certainly could be part of the equation.
	I don't have all the answers.
	I do believe police cams are a big part of it.
	That's good for the officers.
	It keeps them honest and it's good for the public because they, you know, it's now all on tape.
	Anyway, by the way, so we're watching Dr. Fauci underscored concerns about the protesting leading to the spreading of coronavirus.
	I guess we'll start knowing in a couple of weeks.
	We are seeing some signs that, in fact, that might be true.
	We know that coronavirus hospitalizations have gone up in some states following Memorial Day, like Texas, North and South Carolina, California, Oregon, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Utah and Arizona.
	Those are some places, 19 states now seeing coronavirus cases on the rise.
	COVID-19 surge in Texas is sparking some reopening.
	I've been telling my audience, people here, just be careful.
	I know some people that didn't like that.
	I said, I'm going to wear the mask if it keeps other people around me safe for the time being.
	If we can open the country, we've got to get the country opened up completely.
	Dr. Fauci admits coronavirus has become his worst nightmare and not close to over yet.
	And so, you know, we've seen the impact on businesses.
	Certainly, a lot of the protesting has not helped in that regard at all.
	And I would just urge all of you to, you know, be careful.
	Don't think this is over because it's not.
	And I know, by the way, one of the most insane things that I have seen in terms of the battle over election 2020, we have Terry McCalloff.
	I mean, literally, he's saying that Biden needs to stay in the basement.
	He can't make it.
	Oh, we got to get the vice president out of the basement.
	He's fine in the basement.
	Two people see him a day.
	His two body people.
	That's that.
	And let Trump keep doing what Trump's doing.
	It's hard for the vice president to break through.
	You've got the COVID crisis.
	He's not a governor, doesn't have a National Guard.
	He's not the president, doesn't he have the briefing room?
	He needs to come out strategically.
	And when he says something like he did on race relations two days ago, it needs to have a big impact, thoughtful.
	And that's what we're preferring that he actually do at the time.
	He's doing a lot of local.
	He's talking to two, three governors a day.
	He's doing roundtable, Zoom calls.
	He's doing with local officials.
	And a lot of it's being done in those six battleground states that we have going forward.
	Yeah, keep him in the basement.
	He's fine in the basement.
	Two people see him a day.
	It's his body people.
	I'm not sure.
	That's exactly.
	He said, New York Post had an article today that there is Biden saying systemic racism in law enforcement all across the board, he said.
	There's been some pushback from a lot of police officers that are fed up with being demonized.
	You know, I think one of the things you're going to sadly see out of all of this is that we're now going to be in a situation where police officers are not going to want to do their job.
	I was warning about this when all these cops, all these attacks in New York City, and they're throwing water at cops.
	They're dousing them with huge, massive buckets of water.
	And then there's no follow-up and nobody, you know, nobody's arresting them.
	The whole idea is, okay, what are you going to do?
	Ask yourself the question.
	What are you going to do if they defund the police?
	Who are you going to call?
	And it's a question I never thought we'd ever have to ask because I think the answer is fairly transparent.
	The answer is you're not going to call ghostbusters.
	You're going to be there alone.
	And what I'm hearing from some of these politicians and defund the police, I mean, they don't even have an answer.
	So who are you going to call if you don't have the police there?
	Now, I guess it's in part based on an assumption that all cops, it's not all cops at all.
	Even Democrats like Leo Terrell, he agrees with me on all of that.
	Police unions now, there was a piece on Foxnews.com decide to defund the Democrats who accepted their massive campaign contributions.
	Numbers published for Open Secrets, which is run by a watchdog group called the Center for Responsive Politics, shows that among current members of the House and Senate, a handful of Democrats have received more campaign donations from police groups since 94 than any other current members by a significant margin.
	Two of their top recipients, Patrick Leahy, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, and the two top in the House, Bill Pascrell, New Jersey, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.
	So as the numbers come, and Democrats in Congress, et cetera, et cetera, now people are saying no.
	You had a Manhattan real estate agent fired for urging New Yorkers to move to, quote, riot-free Florida.
	Not sure exactly why somebody said that, but I think there is definitely, you know, I can see anecdotally in New York, a lot of people don't want to go back after coronavirus and the screw-up.
	I mean, you can't have a more colossal screw-up.
	You can see the protesting continuing into the night a lot of nights.
	More recently in Brooklyn, New York, Dan Bongino, who's going to be on Hannity tonight, he actually had a chance to go before Congress today and warned against defunding the police.
	He said the special agents I work with and remain friends with to this day, the Secret Service joined members of the NYPD because he was there as well.
	And then he reminded everybody of what happened on September 11th, 2001.
	It's amazing sometimes.
	He's right because how short are our memories?
	He said the defund movement will target a lot of these heroes and saying that there are the police, these people.
	It's not some mass that will be impacted.
	The real heroes in real time right now removing those heroes from your communities, my community will do nothing but ensure chaos and destruction.
	I mean, they're even talking about conflict resolution where you have the perpetrators of crime and the victims of crime, you know, sitting in a room together or sending, well, let's send psychologists out.
	I'm like, do you really think that's going to work?
	Because there are a lot of people that have been trying to take advantage of what's sadly been going on.
	I don't think that's going to work in any way, shape, matter, or form.
	We have some deep state news.
	Rogue judge Emmett Sullivan goes completely off the rails.
	And, you know, I don't know who has the jurisdiction over Judge Sullivan, whether it's the DOJ or the Supreme Court, whoever it is, they need to remove this judge at this point from the bench because it's now become a total obnoxious three-wheel-ring circus.
	His misconduct in the Flynn case has been, frankly, atrocious.
	He's not willing to go.
	I guess, you know, we know that John Gleason, the attorney and retired judge that was appointed by Sullivan to submit a brief, we already knew what his opinion was, whether prosecutors should be able to dismiss their case against General Flynn.
	Remember, Brady material was withheld.
	Now both sides wanted to dismiss it.
	Attorney General Barr disputes all of this and saying that he doesn't have the authority to reject the government's request to do it.
	The argument is that it's always been understood that decisions whether to pursue an individual through the prosecution process or holding them criminally accountable is vested in the executive branch and not the courts, Bill Barr said.
	And federal rules of criminal procedure state that the prosecutors may dismiss a case with leave of court.
	And that's what he's now asking, but apparently the judge is unwilling to do.
	It's really getting out of control.
	In terms of other 2020 news, Joe Biden seems to forget that he held public office for 40 years.
	He says, we can't leave this moment and once again turn away and do nothing.
	We need justice.
	We need action.
	We need reform.
	Well, he was there when the Cambridge police incident happened, when Ferguson happened, when Trayvon and George Zimmerman happened, when Freddie Gray in Baltimore happened.
	He's been there for 40 years.
	He says he's ready to be president on day one.
	Okay, maybe he can come out of his bunker and tell us why we should believe that.
	Because I don't see somebody that has the alertness.
	I don't see anybody that has the stamina, the strength.
	I mean, if he's doing just a couple of Zoom calls a day and only two people around him every day, and the best strategy is to stay in your bunker in your basement, I don't think that is exactly any agenda that we can have faith in in terms of the American people.
	It's nuts.
	But anyway, we'll see.
	Here's some sad news as a result of a lot of the writing that's gone on and the arson and the looting and everything else.
	Here's a headline on the blaze: backlash against Democratic leaders began and longtime business now leaving Minneapolis after being destroyed in the riots.
	And, you know, we now know they have a veto-approved vote to defund the police there.
	Now, a long-time manufacturing business is immediately relocating away from Minneapolis after the leaders of the city failed to protect the city.
	There is the owner of Seven Sigma.
	They produce high-performance polymer and metal components and assemblies, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
	They're now relocating his business.
	Minneapolis allowed officials allowed his factory to be destroyed.
	He's going on to say, and he's like, well, why am I going to rebuild?
	They don't care about my business.
	They didn't protect our people.
	We were all on our own.
	Factory was unfortunately destroyed by a fire.
	Protesters targeted a neighborhood apartment complex that was under construction.
	And according to the owner of the store, they said in his business, firefighters did not bother fighting the flames.
	The fire engine was just sitting there.
	They wouldn't do anything.
	So the city's first survey of property damage shows nearly a thousand commercial properties in Minneapolis were damaged, 52 businesses completely destroyed, 30 other locations that sustained severe damage.
	And owners and insurance experts estimate the cost will exceed $500 million.
	And that would make the Twin Cities riots the second costliest civil disturbance in U.S. history, trailing only Los Angeles in 1992.
	That was the year the Rodney King case.
	You know, so that's not good.
	Then you have infighting in Chicago, explosive new audio tapes emerged from there showing how chaotic everything was when there was rioting going on there and people taking to the streets of Chicago last week.
	Mayor Lightfoot telling one local leader that he's 100% full of beep after complaining about the looting.
	When downtown is in lockdown, our neighborhoods are next and our failure to fully get ready for what is going on in our neighborhoods.
	We're seeing the destruction.
	We're thinking that it's going to, what, somehow end tonight.
	We have seen where in other cities, this has gone on for days and days.
	We've got to come up with a better plan.
	We need to come up with at least, you know, the next five days and try and stabilize our community.
	Said an alderman, once they were done looting and rioting, he goes on, whatever else, what's going to happen tonight?
	God help us.
	What happens when they start going after residents, going into neighborhoods, or on and on and on?
	I think you're 100% full of beep.
	Then he responded, F you then.
	Who are you going to tell me that I'm full of beep?
	I mean, wow, these are your leaders.
	You know, Chicago, what have they done to fix the violence there?
	Nothing.
	What have they done to better their schools?
	Nothing.
	Decades, Democratic rule, institutional failure.
	All right, 800-941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program today.
	Seattle, now the latest city to abandon a police precinct.
	They've given us the precinct.
	Seattle police backs away.
	Protesters take back the East Precinct.
	We'll remain staffed, apparently, according to the announcement.
	But anyway, the officers being dispatched from mobile locations away from the 12th and Pine precinct.
	The building is empty, windows covered with plywood.
	By morning, the wood was covered with graffiti, giving the precinct an unexpected continuity with much of the rest of the neighborhood as many other businesses still in the process of trying to reopen as a result of COVID-19.
	Capitol Hill, quote, is now an autonomous zone, forms around apparently the empty precinct.
	I'm trying to understand that headline.
	But we have some councilwomen unlocking the doors for protesters to flood City Hall, demand that the Democratic mayor resign amid calls to defund the police.
	That's a Minneapolis.
	MYPD police prepare to leave the force.
	Top brass saying that Top Brass has abandoned them.
	Minneapolis police have now made the third arrest in the third precinct arson.
	Homicides in Los Angeles have gone up 250% compared to last week.
	Quote, stop treating us like animals and thugs, said the New York Police Union, snapping at critics.
	So far, we have 700 as of yesterday, 49 police officers around the country now injured.
	A number of them have been killed, a number of them with severe injuries.
	I know, for example, in D.C. alone, 22 with concussions because of the rocks and the bottles and the bricks and the Molotov cocktails that we have watched.
	The video of the suspected looters at Macy's Herald Square, we now apparently are making identifications of the people involved in that.
	We have San Francisco and their transit agency.
	In other words, the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, they announced yesterday they will no longer transport San Francisco Police Department officers to protest over the death of George Floyd after photos and videos and social media showed buses filled with officers in riot gear.
	The agency said, and they went on and on here, that we transport everyone at MTA, make sure our services are available for critical needs.
	But this week, the agency said it wanted to be agents of change, along with no longer conveying officers to anti-police brutality protests.
	Anyway, they said in a statement that they plan to advance their agency-wide implicit bias training and other equity trainings that provide us, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	Bottom line is they're not allowing police to use transit.
	I mentioned LA a moment ago.
	California homes displaying American flags.
	There is a report, CBS Los Angeles.
	Police are investigating out there a string of arsons targeting certain homes that have American flags on display.
	And at least four homes were targeted in one neighborhood early Saturday morning.
	And so far, police say they don't quite know the motive.
	But if it burned longer, they said it would have caught the house on fire.
	They put one flag at one house on fire.
	And so much for freedom.
	You know, the show Cops has now been canceled.
	We have Democratic leadership.
	They don't know what to say anymore about the defund the police movement because they know that's a big part of the Democratic base.
	And so, for example, Schumer has asked the question, the idea of defund the police, should members of Congress stop using it altogether.
	I agree with Senator Sanders.
	He goes to the number one socialist and other colleagues who said, of course, every city needs a police department, but there must be full equality under the law.
	What does that even mean?
	Do you support it or not?
	Do you support the police or not?
	And every police officer now is like standing there, like, okay, we're being hung out to dry, but yet this is a job that doesn't exactly pay a whole lot of money.
	And now, if we're not going to be defended and we're trying to protect innocent lives and we're having rocks and bottles and bricks hurled at us and Molotov cocktails hurled at us and precincts now being set ablaze, why are we even doing this?
	You're seeing now mass, mass walkouts and mass resignations among police officers saying it's not worth it.
	You know, one thing I could say, there's certain jobs where, and this has been my experience with friends of mine that are police officers, family members that became police officers.
	This wasn't just a job for them.
	This was a calling for them.
	You know, certain people are called to medicine, doctors, nurses, et cetera.
	Every cop I know, most of them dreamed of doing this since when they were young.
	Same with pilots.
	Pilots, they dreamed about flying in jets since they were little kids.
	Some wanted to be in a hospital setting and work in an emergency room just to save people's lives.
	Some people are wanting to be teachers since they are children or they have a great experience with that one teacher that changed their lives forever.
	Those are callings.
	That's not just a profession.
	And in most of these jobs, same with firemen, paramedics.
	They want to do it because they love it.
	Now they're saying if they're not going to get the support to do their job and they're just going to be in a position where they're being assaulted for trying to maintain order, well, I think you're going to see a lot more of that.
	The sad thing is, is after especially New York, the dousing of officers with water and the mayor not really seemingly to give a hoot about it, doing anything about it, or arresting the people on video that we could prove did it and charging them with assaulting the police, then, you know, at some point, they have to ask, what's the cost-benefit analysis here?
	We don't get paid all that much in these departments, a lot of them.
	What are we doing this for?
	And can anyone blame them?
	And why do we always forget?
	We always seem to forget.
	What happened on 9-11-01?
	Because I remember, I'll never forget that while everyone, these towers are hit with, you know, terrorist attacks and these planes fly into these buildings and everybody in the building that could is racing, running down the stairs of the World Trade Center towers trying to get out.
	You know, then you have this other group of people that probably in the back of their head, we know for a fact some of them had it in their heads because they made final calls and left messages for loved ones on their phones saying, I might not make it back.
	I love you.
	I love the kids.
	Goodbye.
	I mean, do we forget them?
	We're just going to go with a narrative now that we don't need police.
	We're going to defund the police.
	Well, what does defund do?
	Defund means that you don't have police.
	I mean, they've got rent to pay.
	They got mortgages to pay.
	They got kids they got to send to school.
	Save for the college of their kids.
	You know, they've got bills to pay.
	Now they're what, going to have to leave their profession?
	Or even a worse side of that is they're going to turn their eyes and they're going to, they're not going to, they're not going to put themselves in harm's way.
	That's dangerous also for the general public.
	And why is it this always, you know, when you have 749 cops hurt here and then you have this, you know, broad sweeping slander and besmirchment of all officers, you know, I thought we were not that type of people or society.
	You don't say, you know, all anybody.
	You know, I went during, for example, not comparing the two situations, but whenever we talked about the investigations into the deep state, I always said 1%, not the 99%.
	Say with the cops, too.
	Yeah, there are some dirty cops out there.
	I'd say 1%.
	Leo Terrell, he disagrees.
	He says it's 2%.
	I don't have the actual number, but I do know those people that are dedicated to protecting and serving their communities and the people that live in the communities.
	And then you get back to that fundamental question at the end of the day: who are you going to call and what are you going to do?
	Now you see a spike in gun sales everywhere.
	And then I get criticized for saying, well, there are non-lethal alternatives for police because unfortunately, and I'll get into this with my martial arts trainer, my sensei, later in the program today, that are not trained well.
	They just are not.
	And for a lot of people that are on the job, unfortunately, their only option happens to be a deadly force, a gun.
	Okay.
	You know, why do they not have the training?
	If somebody is handcuffed, and even if, you know, even if they're still being difficult, you're in control of that situation.
	You don't need to ever do what happened in the case of George Floyd.
	Where's the training?
	And the idea that there might be a non-lethal alternative that can stop people but not kill them, like the burner gun that I've been talking about.
	It's on my website, Hannity.com.
	I just purchased, I'm a purchaser.
	I'm a consumer.
	I bought and purchased this product because I saw it and I liked it.
	And I think it's a good alternative.
	And I think it's something that maybe even police officers can use rather than deadly force, but as ways to protect themselves in situations, because those stupid stun guns, I don't think they work at all.
	You got to be like three feet, four feet, five feet away.
	And then the wires come flying out.
	You only got one shot at it.
	So I think looking for non-lethal alternatives, so you're not just stuck with either deadly force or nothing might be something that people can consider.
	Do I want people to use non-lethal force?
	No, unless their life is in jeopardy, unless they've got to defend themselves.
	You know, one of the things that I learned as a martial artist, a student of the arts, is that I'm trying to de-escalate everything.
	I have the ability to defend myself.
	I'll walk away.
	You can curse me out.
	I'll walk away.
	If you get in my grill and I step backwards again and again and again, and now you're now an imminent threat, I have the ability to defend myself, but I don't want that situation to ever occur.
	Nobody does.
	Democratic leadership, they don't know what to do.
	Biden now broad brush saying federal aid to police.
	I mean, I don't know where these comments are coming from.
	It's Los Angeles.
	You have a Democrat wants to pull all funding from the LAPD.
	According to the mayor, they want to take away $150 million.
	It's, you know, now the American people that want law and order, that understand that, you know, if you want to get rid of bad cops, weed out the bad cops.
	Apparently, this one particular cop involved in this incident, Amy Klobuchar, had a chance to deal with him and didn't do anything.
	I think there were, what, 10 separate, 10 other issues leading up to this.
	Linda, was it 10?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why didn't they do something about that?
	It's funny, too, because there's been a lot of conversation about that, about whether it was 10, 17, 19.
	But the bottom line is if there's more than one, if you mess up once or twice, okay, you know.
	But when you have that many, there's a problem.
	We need to look into this.
	It needs to be addressed.
	Yeah.
	Like after the first offense.
	And then the determination has to be made.
	Listen, there are some people, we've all known people in our lives that are loose cannons.
	You need a certain patient temperament to be in a position of power like this.
	You just do.
	And anyway, what does that mean?
	That means that if you don't have the right temperament for the job, like, for example, you can't be an emergency room nurse or doctor if you crack under pressure.
	You can't be a fireman if you're afraid of a ladder.
	You can't be a cop if you got a temper issue in your life.
	You need people that stay cool, calm, collected under pressure.
	They have, once, and again, we go back to the very first days of this, what Dan Bongino said.
	Once somebody's handcuffed, it's over.
	Whatever happened up to that point to get in that position, it's over.
	You now have total control.
	Now, maybe it's going to take longer to get somebody in a police car.
	And, you know, maybe, you know, there are so many, you know, Japanese jujitsu, part of what we learn, or Brazilian jiu-jitsu jujitsu.
	You know, I'm telling you, just a few manipulations of your digits, your fingers, or your wrist.
	And I'm telling you, you're going to get people to comply, but they're not given that training.
	And I'll go over that with Sensei Glenn in a little bit.
	Well, the cancel culture, I'm not even getting into that today, but I mean, that's now pretty much all over the place.
	Let's cancel this, let's cancel that.
	I think that I believe people are smart enough to be able to make decisions on their own and determine what is acceptable for them to watch and not watch.
	You know, the great beauty of all these options on television is I can't make you watch my TV show.
	I have to do a good show for you to watch my TV show or listen to this radio show.
	And we work hard at it every day.
	News, information, opinion, presented in as entertaining a way as we can.
	News you won't get from the mob.
	That's pretty much what the niche we have here on radio and TV.
	And we end up being right.
	They always end up being wrong.
	Sad.
	I mean, we have an information crisis.
	It's hurting the country.
	But I think that, you know, people can decide if they want to watch a show, not watch a show.
	They can listen to a show, not listen to a show.
	You have more options than ever before.
	You got DVR, you've got Hulu, you've got Netflix, got Apple TV, you got, you know, HBO, Showtime, all the networks.
	Let people decide for themselves what they want to watch.
	I don't think that we need government getting in the way every single time telling us what we can watch, what we can't watch.
	And, you know, well, I don't like this show.
	Let's cancel this.
	Let's cancel that.
	Let's cancel that.
	How about we let the people decide?
	I think people are wise and smart.
	And, you know, let them make the decisions for themselves and live in a free country.
	People say all the time, oh, we got to get the vice president out of the basement.
	He's fine in the basement.
	Two people see him a day.
	He's two body people.
	That's that.
	And let Trump keep doing what Trump's doing.
	It's hard for the vice president to break through.
	You've got the COVID crisis.
	He's not a governor, doesn't have a National Guard.
	He's not the president, doesn't have the briefing room.
	He needs to come out strategically.
	And when he says something like he did on race relations two days ago, it needs to have a big impact, thoughtful.
	And that's what we're preferring that he actually do at the time.
	He's doing a lot of local.
	He's talking to two, three governors a day.
	He's doing roundtable, Zoom calls.
	He's doing with local officials.
	And a lot of it's being done in those six battleground states that we have going forward.
	If you agree with me, go to Joe 30330.
	I'm here to ask you for your help.
	Where I come from, you don't get far unless you ask.
	My name's Joe Biden.
	I'm a Democratic candidate for the United States Senate.
	Look me over.
	If you like what you see, help out.
	Give me a look, though, okay?
	We choose truth over facts.
	Play the radio.
	Make sure the television, excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night.
	The phone.
	Make sure the kids hear words.
	No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman.
	We have to just change the culture, period, and keep punching at it and punching at it and punching at it.
	Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.
	But if Donald Trump is re-elected, Freddy and Slip, Donald Trump does pose an excellent threat to this.
	It's not hypothetical.
	We hold these truths to be self-evident.
	All men and women created by gold.
	You know the thing.
	My son, the one who, my deceased son, was the Attorney General of the United States.
	And before that, he was a federal prosecutor in one of the largest offices in the country, in Philadelphia.
	Look, tomorrow's superstar, Tuesday.
	And I want to thank you all.
	I tell you what, I'm rushing ahead, aren't I?
	I just spoke at Dartmouth on health care at the medical school.
	I guess I wasn't actually on the campus, but the people from the medical school were at the I want to be clear.
	I'm not going nuts.
	I'm not sure whether it was a medical school or where the hell I spoke, but it was on the campus.
	And folks, you know, all those Democrats who won against incumbents, from Jimmy Carter to a guy named Clinton, to a guy named Obama, my good friend, guess what?
	They had overwhelming African-American support.
	Although I admit Soley and his wife at an event in Los Angeles back in the spring, late fall, early, I mean, late spring, late winter, early fall, early, anyway, you know what I mean.
	Skipping and support our campaign.
	Text Joe 2-3, excuse me, I got to get this right.
	Joe 2-3-0-3-3-0.
	I was a Democratic caucus.
	You ever been to a caucus?
	No, you haven't.
	You're a lion dog-faced pony soldier.
	You said you were, but here you go.
	So, folks, you want to nominate a Democrat, a lifelong Democrat, a proud Democrat, and a Biden-Bama Democrat because we cannot get re-elect.
	We cannot win this re-election.
	Excuse me, we can only re-elect Donald Trump.
	We can do that.
	We did that.
	We've been through this before with the coronavirus.
	We've been through this before, excuse me, we've been through this before with dealing with the viruses at the N1H-15s, as well as what happened in Africa.
	You know, there's a during World War II, you know, where Roosevelt came up with a thing that was totally different than the, it's called, he called it the, you know, the World War II.
	He had the War Production Board.
	Because they're, well, it's not just me, Joe.
	I'm sure you're doing, everybody's doing the same.
	Everybody's doing the same thing.
	We will do it.
	And we really are.
	We got to.
	It's just.
	But you got to, I mean, we got to reassure.
	Look, my message to everybody I talk to is we're going to get through this.
	To this moment, presidents' ratings have always gone up in a crisis.
	But, you know, that little expression, the proof of the, you know, it's going to be in the eating of the pudding.
	You know, what's it going to look like?
	All right, all things simple man, billoreilly.com.
	That was Terry McCullough actually saying, yeah, no, I really like it that Biden, we need, we prefer him to stay in his basement and hide.
	That's a great strategy for a presidential candidate, I guess.
	But anyway, that's what he's saying.
	BillO'Reilly.com, all things Bill O'Reilly.
	We're 146 days away from an election.
	You wouldn't know it because we go from one crisis to the next crisis to the next crisis.
	But I don't know if there are a lot of simple answers at this moment in history, Mr. O'Reilly.
	I think there's a bigger picture that people can understand.
	I wrote a column called If There's a Will about What Will Happen If Joe Biden's elected president.
	And you know me for a long time.
	I'm not a party guy.
	I mean, I'm a registered independent, and I'm not promoting one party over another because I think both parties are flawed.
	But by the way, I actually agree with you.
	I'm not a Republican.
	No, I'm a registered conservative.
	And you know why?
	Because Republicans are weak.
	They really are.
	I think they're going to let you vote, Hannity, though.
	I think there's a movement underway by Governor Cuomo to surround your house and all that.
	And by the way, my vote in New York is really going to take the election far.
	It's really going to be impactful, Bill.
	The problem is that we have one-party states in New York and California.
	But anyway, look, if you read my column on billoreilly.com, I lay it out in a very methodical, dare I say simple fashion that this is absolutely what's going to happen if Joe Biden is elected.
	Because, yes, the Democrats know that he can't undergo the rigors of the campaign trail.
	So you're not going to see a lot of them out there.
	He'll do some cream puff interviews.
	He'll do some tweeting, zooming, whatever that is.
	He'll do.
	You're not going to see him run around the diner.
	I can't let that go.
	You don't know what a Zoom call is, Bill?
	Please.
	I have no idea what Zoom is.
	No idea.
	I thought it was running fast.
	Hey, that guy's Zooming.
	I don't know what any of that is.
	I believe you, by the way.
	All right, keep going.
	All right, it's too complicated for a simple man to figure out what Zoom is.
	So anyway, look, you know, you have a president who is, as you put it, hurtling from one crisis to another.
	Whatever he does is going to be demonized.
	So he could be good.
	He could be bad.
	We'll never know it.
	News media will never report it accurately.
	Whatever he does is going to be horrible.
	I didn't like the tweet on the Buffalo guy.
	I thought that was a mistake.
	I think Mr. Trump has to clear his head a little bit and say, look, not about me.
	They're going to try to make it about me, they're the media, but it isn't.
	It's about the country.
	Let me ask you this.
	Let me go back to the election here for a second, because this is a choice election.
	Now, we always say there's never been a bigger choice, never been a bigger choice.
	Okay.
	There really hasn't in this case.
	In this case, it's true because you've got radical extreme socialists that want to eliminate oil and gas, the lifeblood of the world's economy.
	They are promising things that can never come true.
	Every socialist experiment, I have a whole history of the failure of socialism in my book that's coming out in August, early August, August the 4th, Live Free or Die.
	And when you look at it, it mirrors exactly the rhetoric, the promises straight on down the line that never, never, ever were fulfilled.
	And then it ends in, oftentimes, poverty for sure, suffering guaranteed, and even worse than that, in other situations, it can end in death of innocent people.
	So that is in play here versus free market capitalism and a military, believing in a military that can beat back evil forces around the world rather than an impeasement philosophy.
	It's every single thing is right down the middle, Bill.
	And if we lose, the country will become unrecognizable if they're successful.
	See, I think you're being too nice, Hannity.
	I think you're being too nice.
	Well, that's the first I've ever been accused of being too nice.
	Okay, I'll play.
	Go ahead.
	I'm sitting here and I'm going, look, socialism has never worked.
	Nobody can point to a country that has a socialistic government that's been successful.
	Sweden and the Netherlands are not socialists.
	Okay.
	But what's happening here in America on June 10th, 2020 is Stalinism.
	Do you realize that Paramount just took the show cops off the air?
	Do you realize that the student government at Michigan State University just endorsed looting?
	Do you realize that an economics professor at the University of Chicago is now maybe fired for saying looting is wrong?
	This all happened in the past 48 hours.
	I leave my show on billorilly.com with it tonight.
	We're in Stalinism here.
	We're way beyond socialism.
	We're in a zone where if you disagree with the far-left loons, if you disagree with them, they are coming to destroy you.
	You're better not say anything in public.
	This is not a new phenomenon.
	The cancel culture.
	It's not enabled by the media.
	The media is enabling it.
	That's the new wrinkle.
	But look, they've always enabled it to an extent.
	But it was a marginalized philosophy.
	It was the outskirts.
	But what you're saying is this is now taking over more mainstream than it's ever been.
	You know, one of the scarier things that if you look at these polls of young people, that their support for radical socialism is quite high, alarmingly high.
	In other words, they could actually at some point achieve a victory buying into the false promises of all of these things, and then all of the predictable failure that would follow.
	A big part of it is groupthink, cancel culture, attack anybody that doesn't agree with you.
	I mean, we've lived this reality for decades, but now it's far more acute than it's ever been.
	I don't fear that because I went through the Vietnam era and I saw the radical SDS and all of these people, and most of them changed as they got older, and they wised up a little bit.
	But I don't think the media is ever coming back.
	I don't see how that's the path back.
	How do you go from being when you have television networks like CNN enabling the overthrow of this system, applauding when people get out and say, defund the police,
	when you have corporations like AT ⁇ T, which owns CNN, applauding this, encouraging this, that's way, way beyond any dopey kid running around saying power to the people.
	And that's where we are in America.
	And that's the problem.
	The people have to vote not on Trump, on their country.
	That's the vote coming up in November.
	What's frustrating to me is that we have, we always say the states, you know, we have 50 separate experiments where states have the freedom to experiment with new ideas, et cetera, et cetera.
	But if you look at the states in particular that are blue states run by blue state governors for decades, mayors in big cities, Chicago, an example, New York, an example, Los Angeles, an example, San Francisco, an example.
	What do we see?
	Decades of liberal rule, and we see more violence.
	We see the worst public schools.
	Baltimore, Bill O'Reilly, they spend the third highest per capita spending in America for students in high school.
	Can you believe there are 13 public high schools in the city of Baltimore and not a single child in any of those 13 schools are proficient in math?
	And here's the problem.
	Now they want to institutionalize this nationally.
	Now, I think this is such that it's almost like there are irreconcilable differences and philosophy that have emerged in this country.
	And then you add to that, well, they want to add more judges.
	And then you add to that on the Supreme Court.
	They want to stack the court.
	Then they want, you know, pure democracy.
	And they're not going to have the Electoral College.
	All right, let me let you answer that on the other side.
	BillO'Reilly.com, all thingsO'Reilly.
	All right, as we finish with BillO'Reilly.com is with us all things simple man Bill O'Reilly.
	All right, I got a question for you.
	This is more random.
	So what does Bill O'Reilly Simple Man like do on a weekend?
	You don't like to fish.
	You don't play golf.
	What do you do?
	What do you do for, what does Bill O'Reilly do for fun?
	Okay, so I'm an outdoors guy.
	I like the water.
	Fishing I like.
	I'm not, you know, Huck Finn, but I like it.
	So I'll go out and I'll fish.
	I also play softball.
	You didn't know this, but I'm one of the best pitchers that you've ever seen, particularly for my age.
	I'm an amazing physical.
	Are you in a softball league?
	I'm on a team on Eastern Long Island run by a construction company.
	Would they let me play on your team?
	Could I play a couple of games on your team?
	You could, but you're going to frighten people.
	I'm a great athlete.
	You want me on your team?
	I'm going to hit home runs and I'm going to be the best center fielder you got out there.
	I saw the kung fu stuff you do.
	You're an amazing guy.
	All right.
	BillO'Reilly.com.
	Thank you, Simple Man.
	You're not simple, Bill.
	We always appreciate having you.
	We'll take a quick break.
	When we come back, speaking of my martial arts, my sensei, Sensei Glenn, is up next.
	We're going to talk about exactly, he'll do it a lot better than I can, explaining the conversations we've been having about police and training and the danger of one's neck and what cops need to learn and don't know about more of that and much more straight ahead.
	All right, 25 to the top of the hour, 800-941.
	Sean, you want to be a part of the program?
	If you heard me talking a lot recently about my love of, as a student of martial arts, I've talked a lot about my sensei.
	We call him Sensei Glenn.
	And so what I've been learning now for seven years, and I train four or five days a week, hour, hour and a half a day, and it's something that's become a real passion.
	It's also the way I work out, learn a lot about self-defense.
	We do a lot of situational practices.
	For example, four years ago, we had the great Chuck Liddell, Iceman Liddell.
	He came down to our dojo, and we trained with him a day.
	But that's a long time ago.
	It's a blend of eclectic blend of arts, Krab Maga, Kempo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, boxing, situational street fighting at sticks, blades, firearm defense.
	Anyway, Sensei Glenn, glad you're with us.
	North Shore Martial Arts is the name of the dojo, and the answer is he doesn't have any room if you're looking to have him as your sensei.
	How are you, sir?
	Hello.
	I'm great.
	Thank you.
	By the way, now, since the first day we train, every day we respect each other in the arts.
	We show respect.
	We literally put a fist in our other hand.
	We bow in.
	We bow out.
	If we're doing weapons work of any kind, we turn our weapons down to let our training partners know that, okay, we got to watch each other here.
	We're not here to kill each other.
	Correct?
	Long before George Floyd, we have talked a lot about how law enforcement is not trained properly.
	And as this has gone on, we have talked about this particular case.
	You agree with me, first off, that I can't even, I cannot understand for the life of me.
	The neck is the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy, correct?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay.
	And for somebody to put a knee on somebody's neck like we all watched for seven minutes, 55 seconds, but it went on longer is a death sentence.
	It would always be a death sentence every time, pushing the face into the pavement like that.
	Yes.
	Look, you know, I've been training with you for over seven years.
	I've been teaching law enforcement for over 20 some odd years.
	And by the way, you've done this 37 years, right?
	Yes.
	I've been training.
	And by the way, he graduates law school, and then he opens up his dojo.
	It's his passion.
	It is my passion.
	You know, I'm lucky that I found something I truly love.
	I love teaching and I love sharing with people such as yourself.
	I became great friends with you and I really enjoy sharing it.
	So in any event, long story short, I have been training law enforcement for over two decades, and they take it upon themselves past the academy to go.
	And that's where me and you have been discussing that, is that their training, it's not necessarily that they're getting trained wrong, is that they just don't get enough of it.
	And that's a problem.
	That's problem number one.
	Number two is if they had more training, and me and you discuss the neck all the time, and everything should be to a degree.
	So, you know, you have blood chokes and air chokes, and you can use the ground to choke.
	You can use someone's t-shirt and choke them.
	You can pass them out.
	And if you hold that blood too long, like when you pass someone out with the blood choke, if you do hold it too long, this is what happens to Mr. Floyd.
	And unfortunately, he did that, and he stayed on it.
	And obviously, because me and you, we put each other out.
	I do with the rest of my students.
	See, my doctor's going to hear that you put me out, which is true.
	And then I'm going to get yelled at again.
	Why do you do that to me?
	Why are you making my life a living health?
	I know your doctor.
	I know your doctor because he trains as well.
	He does.
	And he's, by the way, the only black belt in your dojo.
	Yeah.
	Let me tell you.
	It takes 14 years to become a black belt, it seems.
	But let's go over this quickly.
	For example, self-defense measures here we're talking about.
	We're not talking about aggressive action.
	First thing I'm going to do is I'm going to back off and I'm going to step backwards and I'm going to try and avoid any type of confrontation, if at all possible.
	But if it is imminent danger, then we have, for example, specific targeted strikes for self-defense, right?
	Correct.
	You know, I'll elaborate a little on that.
	So I try to train everyone specific for what their needs are.
	So for you, more of a self-defense person, you're not getting into the ring.
	You're not getting into the octagon.
	You're not in law enforcement.
	So for you, who is a nationally known person, internationally known person, we want to make sure that you're safe and you can handle yourself and you'd be safe.
	You're not looking to start anything, but you can protect yourself.
	So everything is to a degree.
	So if I teach you something that's how to choke somebody out, it's because I feel at that point that's your last alternative and you have to do it.
	Or if you have to strike someone on the side of the neck just to buckle them a little bit, to stun them, because when you stun the blood flow on the side, you'll see their knees buckle a little bit.
	You can follow up or leave, de-escalate.
	So the point is there is no one touch, one death kill, anything like that.
	But when you start learning a little bit about the anatomy, it helps.
	It helps a lot.
	And if I can increase your odds of winning that encounter or surviving that encounter with some knowledge of the anatomy, then we did our job.
	Okay.
	I would say that as a student, and by the way, I train more than any other student, right, in your dojo.
	Yes, yes.
	By far.
	Okay.
	So but even still, I just describe myself as a student.
	I could do this 30 more years and I'm still going to be a student.
	But the reality is.
	You are getting good, my friend.
	You are getting good.
	Well, and it's also been something that keeps me in shape.
	It keeps me engaged.
	It is, let's take the very specific case.
	We see George Floyd on the ground, knee on the neck, handcuffed, eight minutes.
	Now, let's start at what point things went wrong there and what should have happened.
	What would you train officers if they came in?
	They said, all right, what was done wrong there?
	How would we handle this?
	What would you tell them?
	Yes.
	I have been teaching this for over two decades.
	I currently train and have trained many law enforcement.
	So basically, if someone is not cuffed and you need to get that person under control, if they're not cuffed, obviously your fiduciary responsibility at this point is a little different than that they're cuffed.
	So you need to get them cuffed for the safety of yourself and the public.
	So obviously, then it goes to a degree of what you can and cannot do to get them into cuffs.
	So we don't want to discuss that at this point because Mr. Floyd was already cuffed.
	So now he's already cuffed.
	So at this point, he's not really fighting back.
	He's not kneeing you, kicking you, head-butting you, spitting at you.
	All right.
	So he's cuffed and you have four officers there.
	So at this point, he is just trying to resist.
	He didn't want to get into the car.
	He got heavy and he fell to the ground.
	So it's like picking up a kid who doesn't want to pick up a 70-pound child who doesn't want to get lifted.
	You'll be shocked how heavy they can get.
	So in the event, Mr. Floyd is down at this point.
	He's cuffed.
	He's really not a threat.
	We all know that.
	He is not a threat at this point.
	And by the way, my general feeling on law enforcement is just like you.
	They're all my friends.
	99.9% of them are great men and women who want to serve their community and help.
	There's no doubt in my mind, and I'm not just saying that.
	So now, with that being said, in this example, is when he was cuffed at this point, we know we saw what Chauvin did and the rest of them.
	So now Chauvin is putting his knee on his carotid artery on one side.
	The other side, he's on the ground.
	The ground is like if I was doing a triangle choke where I'm using both my legs or an arm to lock up that person.
	That ground is actually choking or putting pressure on the other side of the neck.
	And now Chauvin's knee is doing the other side with the other arm, law enforcement, putting their knee on his spine.
	So he's getting compressed, his diaphragm, he can't breathe.
	He's yelling, he can't breathe.
	And we know from training it all day long, I can just strike you there and you can feel it.
	So if I put you on the ground and I put my knee in there and I kept pressing it, you're going to see the guy start to fade out.
	I've done it.
	I know it.
	When we grapple live, you see it happening.
	So that was the mistake right there.
	He was cuffed.
	He was under control.
	If you had to sit with him for five minutes on the ground, de-escalate, have a conversation, whatever you got to do at that point, he wasn't a threat.
	And eventually things would calm down and then you could take care of the way it should have been taken care of.
	So in my opinion, that's where we need to help him.
	So what happens at a targeted strike?
	For example, if I took the back of my hand and I were to do a targeted strike that would include one side of a carotid, there's two in your neck and maybe a part of the jaw.
	Aren't the odds pretty good that even though it's a half a second interruption in blood flow, that that person would go to their knees and buckle?
	Yes, there's no doubt.
	When you can, you just take a brain.
	Yes, any of your listeners, you see, you just take your thumb and go hard to one side of your neck without pressure to the other.
	So if you pop that and you just hit the blood, figure out also the jaw, that's an added bonus as far as far as knockout.
	But in any event, you just hit that side, one side of the neck where the blood goes to the brain.
	You see your, I've had it done to me and have done it many times.
	Your knees buckle.
	You just go straight down.
	When you get hit in a jaw, sometimes you go backwards.
	Here, you're hitting the neck, you go down.
	And I want to reiterate, there's no guarantee that if you do this to someone or vice versa, it's going to get the same outcome every time.
	So say I'm in a situation and somebody starts to shove me, and let's say I did an arm drag into a rear naked choke and I locked it in.
	How fast would somebody, if I had it locked in, then you know what I mean, it wouldn't even take 100% pressure.
	How long would it be until that person passed out?
	By the way, the first thing that I'm going to say, that was a great description.
	I'm dragging to a rear naked choke from a shove, which is exactly the drills we work on.
	So they're sitting in.
	Number two, once you get a rear naked choke in, if someone is fighting back, it does not want to be choked within 15 seconds.
	once it gets deep and he's fighting out of it within 15 seconds he starts to pass out however and we'll see in an octagon by the way if that's locked in and and the person that even quicker Yeah.
	And a lot of guys will just get passed out.
	You see it in the octagon, or others will just tap out because they know it's coming any second.
	That's correct.
	And you will see the reps.
	If you watch in the UFC, you know, people get to see when someone's getting choked out and you start to see their eyes roll, the reps immediately, immediately in, it pushes him off.
	There's a reason.
	You can't keep the blood, you know, frozen from the brain that long.
	That's what's going to happen.
	Exactly what happened with Mr. Floyd and Chauvin.
	Or a triangle choke.
	I mean, these are the things that, again, unless your life is in imminent danger, you don't go here, correct?
	Or somebody's assaulting you, or if you need to quickly extricate yourself from danger.
	You know, these are tactics, techniques.
	Then it's a matter of, okay, how far are you going to engage in that situation?
	Once the threat is non-existent, what you teach me is get out of that situation, extricate yourself, and remove yourself as soon as possible.
	You don't want to stay around there.
	Yes.
	Like I always try to say, and one of my instructors from 38 years ago and had hit home, always have an objective and the outcome of this altercation.
	Sorry, so everyone's objective because I train law enforcement, I train security, I do security, bouncers, things like that.
	Usually if there's some guy that looks really mean behind me, it's him.
	It's you.
	I don't look that mean, but we can, you know, whatever.
	So the bottom line is you need to have an objective, right?
	You know, and specifically if you're a professional at the job.
	All right, got to take a quick break.
	My sensei, Glenn, Sensei, Glenn will continue on the other side.
	North Shore of martial arts and Hannity tonight at nine.
	All right, as we continue, my personal martial arts trainer, my sensei, sensei Glenn, North Shore Martial Arts, been doing this now for seven years with him, joins us.
	Let me go to those questions.
	Somebody's handcuffed.
	They're on the ground like Mr. Floyd was.
	Let's talk about some of the things you have taught me over the years as it relates to Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
	For example, things that I can do with a person's fingers, we call them digits or wrist locks or a Kardagashki lock.
	All of these things will result in instant submission.
	And they're simple to learn.
	I mean, you got to practice them.
	You got to keep updating your skills.
	But these are not very complicated moves.
	We work on a lot of these and we work on them in combinations.
	It gets complicated, but just simple things that can be taught.
	You did it this morning.
	We did a lot of it this morning.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So I will say one thing I'll correct.
	That's Japanese, the art that we're working on with the small joints, the fingers, the wrist, the elbows, things like that.
	That is Japanese jiu-jitsu.
	Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu took Japanese jiu-jitsu, all that, and put it to the ground.
	So when we're standing up, we refer that from the Japanese arts of Japanese jiu-jitsu.
	It was also from the Chinese arts.
	Law enforcement learns come alongs, goosenecks, things like that.
	But between fingers and gooseneck, yes, there's compliance there that you can do.
	So if someone particularly is cuffed and you need to do a small joint manipulation just to kind of keep him in line and to follow so you can safely, for him, for you and the public, do your job.
	That is something that should be added.
	And if they are not coughed at that point, but you have them basically under control, these things work.
	I've done them.
	They work great.
	There's no guarantee, but they work.
	And a little training like that, I believe, will help a lot.
	So what would it take for every police department to hire somebody like you?
	And there really aren't many people like you, to be honest, but people that could help in the training so that everybody, number one, knows about the danger involving chokeholds, et cetera, et cetera.
	And yet other techniques that would result in taking control of a situation, but not killing somebody.
	Right.
	You know, from my years of training with law enforcement is their academy covers their basic moves with it.
	And they go, everyone that I've trained over the course of the two decades of training them, but doing the arts for 37 years since 1984, is that they go outside and they go to guys like me.
	So maybe that should be, you know, it's just my opinion.
	Maybe law enforcement, that should be part of the package that everyone is working on now.
	A little bit more training on hands-on, because with skill, hopefully this will get minimized.
	Sensei, Glenn, thank you.
	North Shore Martial Arts, and thanks for all you've done for me, sir.
	Ooz.
	It's a pleasure.
	You're great.
	Ooh.
	I'll see you tomorrow.
	Have a great day.
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	The pastor, lead pastor of Resurrection Houston, Pastor P.T. in Guolo is going to join us in the next hour as George Floyd's pastor.
	Quick break, right back.
	We'll continue.
	Stay right here for our final news roundup and information overload.
	I think if we want real reform, like real reform that can change communities, it starts with law enforcement and partnering with them.
	I'm not demonizing.
	We can't let some bad apples represent something that's a core of any community.
	All right, news roundup information overload hour, Sean Hannity show.
	We'll get to your calls coming up this hour.
	That was Jerome Smith discussing law enforcement reforms.
	He works for the president.
	He, along with Mark Meadows, the chief of staff, Jared Kushner, they had conversations yesterday, specifically with Senator Tim Scott and some other prominent senators about what reforms might come.
	Joining us now is the pastor, Pastor Patrick P.T. in Guolo.
	He's the lead pastor of the Resurrection Houston Church, which was George Floyd's church.
	And obviously they had the service and burial for George Floyd yesterday.
	Apparently he was also very good friends with George Floyd.
	First of all, Pastor, all our thoughts and prayers are with you and his family and all of his many friends.
	And this should not happen in this country.
	And I'm going to get into some of the details in a second, but it's certainly a shock to the conscience of a country.
	I'll say that.
	Well, thank you for having me.
	You were very close friends with him.
	Now, you get all these different reports.
	I'd rather ask the people that knew him.
	I don't trust the media, to be very honest, even though I work in the media.
	You were his friend.
	You read this story.
	He had lost his job because of coronavirus, went to Minneapolis in search of a new life.
	Tell us about him and where he was and how close you were to him and his life.
	So I met George while I was trying to plant the church, Resurrection Houston, in the third ward area.
	It is literally moments away from where he grew up, the CUNY Holmes Project.
	And I was trying to break into that place.
	I'm not from there.
	And so the Bible calls the people who help you break into a neighborhood.
	It calls them persons of peace, men of peace, sons of peace, whatever you want to use.
	And so, man, he literally basically told us, man, if it's God's business, it's my business.
	And he opened up the neighborhood for us to be able to do work there.
	People trusted us because they knew him, because we knew him.
	He's loved.
	He's admired.
	He was respected.
	He had been through the wars and had seen things.
	And he was able to mentor people who were there.
	But then also, I mean, for me personally, provided a pathway for me to do ministry in the CUNY Holmes Project.
	So he was a great instrumental figure in the things that myself and others were doing in that neighborhood.
	And man, his journey on redemption was amazing.
	The fact that he was able to get to Minnesota and do the work that he was trying to do as far as get his commercial driver's license.
	And man, it just seemed like he was cut off in the middle of his prime.
	I just had my martial arts instructor.
	I've been a student of arts now and training four or five days a week for seven years.
	And one of the things we were talking about is: unless your life is in jeopardy, the most vulnerable part of a person's body is the neck.
	And for over eight minutes, you know, you see George Floyd's face being pounded into the pavement.
	And the autopsy bore this out by Dr. Baden, you know, with the facial abrasions that he had.
	That's how hard his face was in the pavement.
	And nobody can live through that.
	That is a predictable, that is a death sentence.
	If that type of force is used, it's a death sentence.
	And we spent a lot of time talking about that.
	As you now spent a lot of time with the family and friends, and what are some of the reforms you would like to see in terms of how there is interaction between police forces and people in communities?
	There has been a diversity, diversification of many of the large city police force where you have a majority, minority officers.
	That's taken a long period of time to happen, but it has happened.
	What would you like to see?
	Well, Sean, I mean, in your business, you've got the FCC as accountability, right?
	You've got every year they promulgate some rules.
	And, you know, I'm sure most of us don't read them.
	You probably don't read them.
	I usually accused of being a rule breaker, Pastor.
	I'm one of those that have sinned and fallen short, guys.
	No, I got you.
	But, you know, in my moonlight as an attorney, they've got a state bar.
	For the police officers, one of the things that even in my city, the Citizens Review Board, accountability with real subpoena power is something that has been illusory, even in my city.
	And I think, man, just real accountability from people who are not politicians would go a long way to because these things, well, things like this should never happen.
	But when these things happen, there should be the ability for people to hold the police officers who are taxed, who are being paid by our tax dollars.
	We should be able to hold them accountable.
	Well, they're being held accountable in this case.
	One of the things I think is good for communities and I think is good for officers themselves is body camps.
	That's something that you can do easily, you know, both on themselves and also in their cars.
	So we have a frame of reference.
	I mean, this would be a very different court case if we didn't have the seven minutes, 55 seconds on tape, and it went on even longer than that.
	And I think certainly training is a part of the equation.
	We have a citizens review board in New York City, and I've not really seen a lot of good come out of it over the years.
	And unfortunately, like everything in politics, it becomes politicized.
	And you have people with agendas everywhere.
	It's sad, actually.
	But I think that, you know, I look at other more, I look at underlying problems.
	You know, every weekend, you know, we have all these people being shot and killed in Chicago, for example.
	And it's gone on for decades, Pastor, decades.
	And now, you know, nobody's ever tried to fix the problem.
	And I don't understand that.
	And then we have all of these big cities where we spend more per capita per child than any other industrialized nation on the earth.
	And we have in Baltimore, for example, the third highest spending city per student in the country.
	And they have 13 public high schools, Pastor.
	And not a single child in those schools is proficient in math.
	I mean, how do we fail at that level?
	And then they just keep re-electing the same people that don't fix it.
	I don't get it.
	So, Sean, you may or may not agree with me on this, but institutional racism is something that is alive and well.
	And I think it's at the very fabric and core of most of our, not all, I'm sure not all, but most of our institutions.
	And I think there needs to be a reevaluation as to whether these institutions are working for.
	But here's what I want to ask you.
	Most of the cities that I'm talking about, where the violence is at record high levels and it's predictable and it happens every weekend and nobody ever deals with it.
	I remember once on TV scrolling the names of all the people that were shot in Chicago during Barack Obama and Joe Biden's term.
	And the president, vice president at the time barely mentioned it.
	You know, these are cities and states that have been run for decades by Democrats.
	They claim to have a monopoly of compassion for minorities and they're not fixing the problem.
	How do you not fix those problems?
	To me, I'm a fixer.
	Fix the problem.
	So, Sean, can we do both and not just either or?
	Can we look at crime in the cities and accountability from people who are in power, who we entrust with our okay, you can do both, but don't we first have to stop the water from coming onto the boat?
	We have to stop the violence.
	Defunding the police, Pastor, is not going to stop violence.
	Well, I mean, common sense reallocation, if that, you know, every year you, as a, you're, you're a business and you reallocate where you put your resources, whether it's going to be production or marketing or advertising.
	It's the same thing with the police.
	We should evaluate what we're using our money for.
	Like, for instance, you talked about body cams.
	As a moonlighting criminal defense attorney, I can't tell you how many times that those cameras have been off.
	And I'm like, well, wait, those cameras should be on.
	These are simple.
	Amen.
	Mandatory.
	And they ought to have a live view, right?
	Let me ask this.
	So I was debating Al Sharpton one year at his National Action Network headquarters.
	Really, you know, we packed a room.
	We had thousands of people outside banging on the door.
	Let us in, let us in.
	And I started out, and I said, Reverend, let me ask you a question.
	I said, do you believe in God the Father of all creation?
	Yes, I believe that.
	I said, do you believe that Jesus is the son of the living God and took on the burden of man's sins to reconcile us to that one God?
	Yes.
	And it's like, well, why do we disagree on everything else if we believe in the exact same creator?
	No, I get you.
	You agree with me, right?
	You believe what we believe.
	I believe I believe in it.
	And I bet you're better Christian than me.
	No, no, no.
	I'm definitely not.
	I believe Christianity isn't, the narrative isn't perfectionist redemption.
	So we've all got stories and we've all got past.
	And that's what makes us rich and unique in Christ.
	He can take us from one place and bring us to another.
	And I agree with you that we serve one triune God.
	But I also agree that that one triune God displays himself not just in his unity, but in his diversity.
	He's one and three.
	So that there can be a diverse community of people with different ideas, but still working together to be one in their diversity.
	And so, you know, you can look at the differences of opinions and say, well, shouldn't we be one?
	But then if you look at God and see that he's one and three, you can say, okay, we can be unified in our diversity.
	Let me ask this then.
	Is this a correct observation?
	And if it's not, tell me I'm wrong.
	I don't, you know, I've noticed, I've lived in five different states, a lot of times you have Christian churches.
	Let's stay with, and I'm a believer in freedom of religion, but Christian churches in particular.
	Let's go.
	This is a great conversation.
	Go ahead and listen.
	So in one area, it's predominantly African American.
	In another area, perhaps it's predominantly white.
	Why don't we start in the churches and say, okay, well, if that's the case in this neighborhood or that neighborhood, why don't we like, you know, why don't we, we'll come visit your church one week?
	You come visit mine.
	Wouldn't that be helpful?
	Man, Dr. Michael Emerson writes on this.
	You should have him on.
	He talks about the churches being divided by race.
	It's a great idea.
	In our city, the beginning of the church in our city in Houston, it was one, the Methodists were the first to get here.
	They had First Methodist Church.
	In First Methodist Church, they had the white worshipers were in the front, the black worshipers or the slaves were in the back.
	Eventually, they split off into two churches, the slave church, and then they had the First Methodist Church.
	That church now is called Antioch, I believe.
	And so when you think about that, we have typically been divided in white and black ever since slavery, even before slavery.
	And so you see the fault lines of tension, division in the back of the churches.
	But couldn't we start there if you believe on the religious side?
	Because you agree with my observation.
	No, we definitely need to start there.
	I think if we start there, it'd probably be a pretty good start, right?
	No, we definitely need to start there.
	And then you build out from there.
	And then we add three more churches here, here, there, and everywhere.
	And then when we all get to know each other and we have this common denominator of faith, hopefully that could unite the country.
	I'd like to see that.
	What do you think it would take for maybe white churches in particular to give up power and say, hey, let's unify these churches?
	Listen, I would personally, now I'm going to admit something I shouldn't admit, Pastor, but I don't get to go to church that much because I'm so busy.
	But I would love that idea in a heartbeat.
	I think it's a great idea.
	We have a commonality here.
	And it's not just a commonality, it's the commonality.
	It's our humanity coming together.
	Because how can we raise the conscience of a nation if the church who is the conscious of the nation is divided?
	The one thing that this case is not, it's not Republican Democrat.
	It's not liberal conservative.
	There's universal agreement, except for maybe a few lunatics in their underwear, keyboard warrior psychos.
	Everybody agrees this should never have happened.
	Everybody is shocked by this.
	This is a human issue.
	All right, but I got to look.
	Why don't I hold you over a few more minutes?
	Then we'll get to people's calls because I like this conversation, Pastor.
	And we do me one favor, too.
	Please send my thoughts and prayers to George Floyd's family and the prayers from my audience to them that this can't happen again.
	That this should never have happened and can never happen again, ever.
	I will do so, and I'll hang on.
	I'm here.
	All right.
	Pastor Patrick Inglolo, he's the lead pastor of the Resurrection Houston Church.
	That was George Floyd's church.
	More on the other side and your call straight ahead.
	All right, 25 to the top of the hour, 800-941.
	Sean, you want to be a part of the program?
	Pastor Patrick P.T. in Guolo is the lead pastor of Resurrection Houston.
	That was George Floyd's church.
	His burial was yesterday.
	The service was carried, I know, on Fox yesterday.
	Pastor, I didn't know you were a criminal defense attorney, I believe you said.
	And you've been watching what we've all been watching, and that is we've seen riots.
	We've seen arson.
	We've seen looting.
	We now, the total is 749 police officers have been injured.
	They've been hurling not the peaceful protesters, those agitators.
	They've been throwing rocks, Molotov cocktails, and bricks at the cops.
	We have over 20 dead now, including a number of police officers that have died.
	And I want to get your thoughts on that and also your thoughts on this idea, defund the police.
	Okay, let's go with the first one.
	So, man, Martin Luther King would say rioting is the language of the unheard.
	Now, while I empathize with the fact that people feel like they have not been heard and not have been taken advantage of, I probably, while empathizing would fall on the line of active nonviolence and would say, hey, if we keep going with active nonviolence as a method of progress,
	I think that we would do the same or better than if we were to allow our basic impulses to take over and to be violent.
	On the issue of defund police, I think it's the naming that probably gets people, and I think it probably was done intentionally, but I think when you look underneath the surface, it's about let's analyze and look at what we are doing with our police resources.
	Is $100 million going to community policing?
	So the name is catchy and it gets your attention, but I think it's more so about, man, what are we doing with our taxpayer dollars?
	Well, I mean, the reality is if you say defund, that means you defund.
	I mean, you heard the city council leader.
	I mean, they now have a veto-proof defund.
	And when the mayor said he did not agree with that, you know, my next question is, who are you going to call?
	Now, look, I'm trained in the use of a firearm and have carried a firearm with me for the, you know, since I'm 20 years old, legally, of course.
	I'm trained in the use of a firearm since I'm 10.
	I've been doing seven hard years of martial arts, mixed martial arts training.
	Most people don't have that.
	A lot of people are even afraid of guns, period.
	That's why I mentioned a non-lethal alternative that I have purchased, which is called Burner B-Y-R-N-A.
	It's on my website, if you want to look at it.
	And I paid for my own, but everyone says, oh, you're doing this for money.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm just telling you, we need non-lethal alternatives, but who are we going to call?
	Who will people call?
	You know, what about grandmas and grandpas?
	What about our older moms and dads?
	They don't have the ability to deal with criminals, breaking into their house at midnight.
	Who are they going to call?
	What are they going to do?
	No, I agree with your sentiment in that I've lived in country.
	Well, I'm from a country that doesn't have local police forces.
	And so what happens is people who have the resources are able to get private bodyguards or whatnot.
	And so, and then also you're not able to enforce the rule of law.
	So here, I mean, I don't think that it is a practical reality to say no policing.
	I do think that we should be more thoughtful about how we use the resources to make sure that we have effective policing.
	Let me ask you this.
	Okay, you want to be the host.
	Pastor, you take over.
	Okay, I just have a question, though.
	Should the same person who patrols the streets for criminals, should they be the same people who are responsible for being the first on the scene when someone is on an accident or getting the cat out of the tree or when someone has a mental illness?
	Should they be the ones answering those calls?
	Or should we have mental health professionals doing that?
	I mean, let's take this scenario.
	Home invasions are real, right?
	People break in and whatever it is.
	The bottom line is police work is extraordinarily dangerous.
	Every time they pull somebody over, they have no idea what's on the other side of that window when that window opens.
	They don't know.
	That's why I like, for example, the cameras.
	I don't see any alternative except better training, body cams, certainly the training and understanding of what is acceptable and unacceptable for us.
	I mean, George Floyd was in handcuffs, Pastor.
	He wasn't at that time resisting.
	He was saying, I can't breathe.
	You know, okay.
	Now, let's say somebody's in handcuffs and they're thrashing themselves and spitting in cops' faces.
	I mean, with little effort, just simple restraints and martial arts moves, you can gain very quickly compliance.
	And that's what I spoke with my sensei on this program earlier today about.
	And so it's not that hard.
	They don't know how to do it, Pastor, and they've not been trained properly.
	And it frustrates me because this did not have to happen.
	No.
	What do you think was behind the actions of that particular person?
	I have no earthly idea.
	My answer is: what the hell was this guy thinking?
	I am telling you as a martial artist student, it is a death sentence, Pastor.
	I just look at it.
	That's what it was.
	What do you think the fellow officers were doing, not responding?
	It's inexplicable to me also.
	I have no clue.
	I can't answer that question.
	What do you think?
	So if the officer to me had multiple infractions on his record, how did he get a gun, in your opinion?
	How did he get a gun?
	Listen, in my opinion, I think we all need answers to all of that.
	You know, it also took on a political taint to it because Amy Klobert dealt with this guy apparently in the past.
	I heard that one or two of the cops there too were like on day four on the job, probably just clueless.
	And I can also tell you that we don't train officers well at all.
	You know, one of the reasons I mentioned this burner, which is a gun, but it shoots projectiles that have tear gas and pepper sprays in it.
	And when it hits, for example, somebody, you don't kill them, but you can hurt them.
	And they become incapacitated because their eyes are, you know, they can't see and you get to escape.
	And if you made a mistake, at least the guy's not dead.
	And I'm not advocating people just start shooting these things.
	I'm saying only if your life's in danger here.
	Well, do you think that, well, because I've run into this issue where a guy leaves a police force, probably because he's got a mark, goes to a smaller police force in a smaller area, Mayberry, for lack of a better word, and the record doesn't follow him.
	The only time you know what he has in the presiding jurisdiction is if you do some type of public information act.
	So that, you know, with these police unions, these guys could have histories a mile long, but just be passed on to different police departments and nobody knows the wiser.
	Well, listen, I like the dialogue with you, Pastor.
	I'm sorry that you lost a congregant, a friend.
	My heart goes out to Mr. Floyd's family.
	This should never happen in America.
	Like the rest of America, the conscience of a nation is shocked.
	And we can be so much better than this.
	Just like we've got to stop violence in big cities.
	We've got to start educating, seriously fixing a corrupt educational system that has failed our children for decades.
	You know, if the education in my mind that comes from the Latin derivative, it might surprise you.
	I was a seminary student at Duke to bring forth from within.
	Well, that kind of predicated on the belief that God put it there, isn't it, Pastor?
	That is true.
	You know what?
	God put it there.
	It's a school's job.
	We got to bring it out.
	That's it.
	Bring forth.
	It's already there.
	God put it there.
	And every child, every man, woman, and child on this earth, the same God.
	That's what I believe.
	And that's why it's so frustrating.
	You have a political divide.
	And I get upset as a conservative when, you know, every two, four years, conservatives and Republicans are racist and sexist and misogynist, and they're xenophobic and homophobic and Islamophobic.
	And they want dirty air and dirty water.
	And they want grandma and grandpa to eat dog food and cat food before a Republican leader throws them over a cliff when they're in their wheelchair.
	I don't want to be friends with any of those people that believe that.
	And I don't know conservatives that way.
	Here's something that both of us would agree on.
	So I don't believe that any president, Democratic or Republican, has dealt with the issue of institutional racism because I think that that issue, while, yes, it could be divisive, there's an opportunity for a president, either this one or the next one or whatever, to deal with this issue head on and to initiate.
	I think you should go see the president.
	I think you should go beyond let me tell you.
	I was happy.
	We were seeing prior to coronavirus, what do we see?
	Record low unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, women in the workplace, youth unemployment, African American youth unemployment, record after record after record.
	The answer is success and success has to begin in church and with an education.
	Forget all this crap.
	How about we get the basics in first?
	Reading, writing, math.
	That's it.
	Remember, you ever watched the movie Lean on Me?
	I did.
	I interviewed the real Joe Clark.
	Okay.
	How was that?
	He loved his students, loved them.
	And it was his passion.
	Threw out all the troublemakers, all the drug dealers, anybody involved in bad activity.
	And he said to the students there, we are going to succeed together.
	And he kicked everybody's, you know what?
	And it worked.
	And he succeeded because he loved them.
	We could duplicate that, Pastor.
	You can lead that movement.
	I'll follow you.
	We could.
	I've got one other question.
	I love how you start interviewing me on my own show.
	Go right ahead.
	Okay.
	These school systems, you know, where I live, I live in the middle of Houston, Texas.
	I have family there, you know.
	Oh, you do?
	Okay.
	I'm going to send them over to your church.
	Okay, send them, please.
	Some of these, because we work on the property tax system, a place like HISD, depending on where the school is located, is going to have less money than, I don't know, let's say Cinco Ranch, which Katie Cinco Ranch, which, you know, the average person probably makes $100,000 or more.
	And so what do you think about the inequity of education based upon the money and resources?
	Well, anyway, listen, I enjoyed our conversation together.
	And my men are this audience's thoughts and prayers are with you and George's family.
	And we can't have this happen again.
	And we've got to work towards a more perfect union.
	I think Jesus would like that, Pastor, but you're closer to him than I am.
	I'm just the guy that says guilty, guilty, guilty.
	We're as close as beggars are to where they can find bread.
	Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
	I believe all that.
	You know, we've got to, we can become, you know, we have made incredible strides in this country.
	We still have a long way to go.
	You know, but we have, this is the United States of America.
	We're capable of doing anything.
	I believe that.
	We are a city on a hill.
	There's never been a country in the history of mankind, Pastor, that has accumulated more power than this one.
	And as my friend Barry Farber would say, abused it less.
	And I add, there's never been a country in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power and used that power, not perfectly, no perfect countries, for the advancement of the human condition than the United States of America.
	You agree with that?
	I definitely agree.
	And I think that it has the opportunity, although we've come, you know, there have been measurable strides.
	We've got some way to go because I think as King's dream of the beloved kingdom, I think we've got to learn to use that power in a loving fashion so that those who may not have those, the poor, the immigrant, the folks on the outside may have the opportunity to be a part of that community so that we can say that we have, and most people may not agree with me on this,
	we're trying to build the kingdom of God here on earth.
	Well, we've got a long way to go.
	His will be done.
	Yeah.
	Amen.
	All right, Pastor.
	God bless you.
	Thank you so much for being here.
	God bless you, man.
	Our prayers for everybody.
	All right, sir.
	God bless you.
	Thank you.
	All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
	Great Hannity tonight, 9 Eastern.
	Deep State News.
	We'll get an update and also the DOJ and how they are handling the issue of the treatment of police now in the aftermath of the rioting, etc.
	Their spokesperson, Pastor Daryl Scott, Sarah Sanders, Congressman Kevin McCarthy, we have Matt Gates, we have Geraldo Solomon, Leo and Larry, and Lawrence Jones, Nine Eastern, Hannity Fox News.
	We'll see you tonight, say you DVR.
	Back here tomorrow.
	Thanks for being with us.

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