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Everybody, this is Jordan Seculo, guest hosting for Sean Hannity today.
I want to thank Sean and Linda for letting me do this.
If you know about uh the seculos, you may know my dad, Jay Sekulo, chief counsel of the ACLJ and one of the lead attorneys for President Trump.
Uh, I am the co-host of his radio broadcast, Jay Sekulo Alive.
I've appeared a number of times on Sean's radio and television broadcast.
Uh, and uh I'm also on President Trump's legal team, was on it for the Mueller, the entire Mueller investigation, and for whenever we do have the impeachment trial.
We've also got three cases right now uh up at the Supreme Court on behalf of President Trump uh that'll be argued in March.
So very busy when it comes to our legal work, but we're happy to be here today to talk to you.
We put together a really awesome show for you uh to talk about where we stand with this impeachment.
We've got a former ambassador uh that President Trump nominated, who's now running for U.S. Senate, to talk about what it was like as an ambassador.
He was an ambassador to Japan, what it was like working with the State Department, why he is so opposed to this impeachment.
So we'll talk to him.
But coming up, we've got Congressman Louis Gohmert from the House Judiciary Committee, Greg Jarrett, of course, talking about some new information that came out on Friday that John Durham, the U.S. attorney, uh that Bill Barr appointed, turned Joe Barr appointed, is now looking into John Brennan, the Obama CIA director, and his contact about the dossier and Russia.
And I just want to remind you that anytime John Durham is investigating someone, he's doing so for criminal purposes.
That's why U.S. attorneys investigate for criminal purposes.
They're not like Inspector Generals.
So we're gonna talk to Greg Jarrett, uh, Fox News legal analyst and author of the bestseller Witch Hunt about that.
Then Ned Ryan from American Majority, it's a great organization.
They trained candidates across the country.
He's got a new book out.
We'll talk about that.
Uh Ambassador Bill Haggerty.
We are talking about him.
He was the ambassador to Japan.
Just finished his mission there.
He's uh declared now for U.S. uh Senate uh candidate in Tennessee.
Uh we're gonna talk to him about the impeachment, but also again, what it was like working with that State Department and uh those government bureaucrats as well.
And uh we're also throughout the broadcast.
If you uh ever listen to Jay Secchio Live or you know us at American Center for Law and Justice, you know Than Bennett, our director of government affairs, who is almost on radio with us every day.
He's almost like a second co-host, if you will.
Uh he's got a new book coming out uh later this year, but he's also going to be on to break down some of the what's going on in the House and the Senate, specifically when it comes to uh judicial nominees.
Unbelievable numbers when it comes to how well President Trump working alongside Chairman Graham of the Judiciary Committee, uh, of course, Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader.
And uh we've uh you've got uh today on the broadcast, another Senate Judiciary Committee member, Senator John Kennedy, one of my favorites, Republican from Louisiana.
He'll also be joining us uh to talk about the impeachment, uh, the judicial nominations.
Listen, these are issues that are so important, but we'll get his inside take on where he thinks we're going when Congress returns.
You know, as the attorneys, we were kind of preparing for a January 6th, probably a start date trial around then in the U.S. Senate, but with Pelosi's stunt, shredding the Constitution, uh uh trying to this quid pro quo game with the U.S. Senate.
And by the way, Mitch McConnell is having nothing of it.
He's saying we got to cut this charade out.
We gotta absolutely cut this charade out.
Uh So that's what we've got coming up on the show today.
Those guests will be joining us.
And we're also going to provide you analysis throughout the show.
But I do want to tell you a little bit more.
If you're not as familiar with me, my name again, it's Jordan Seculo.
I am the executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, ACLJ.
We are a legal, uh nonprofit legal organization, conservative legal organization.
We do uh primarily focus on constitutional law and uh issues from freedom of speech, religious liberty, uh life.
Uh, we have a big government affairs team in Washington, D.C. We have offices across the United States and international offices across the globe.
Uh I also co-host the J Secio Live Radio Broadcast, which is heard uh Monday through Friday on about a thousand radio stations.
And don't worry, we don't conflict with the Sean Hannity show.
And uh I I do want to remind you too, I am an attorney.
Um so I'm also uh outside of the role of ACLJ, I'm also uh part of President Trump's legal team going back to the beginning of the uh Mueller investigation, through the report, through his testimony, and have stayed with that team now that we're in impeachment.
I also authored, which I think is really cool because Sean uh promoted the book a lot when it first came out.
It's still pretty much brand new, the next red wave.
And I co-wrote it uh with two attorneys at the ACLJ, one uh Matthew Clark, another Benjamin Sisney.
Now, Ben was also on the president's legal team for the Mueller investigation.
So I don't know any other book available now, political book available now, written by two members of President Trump's legal team who went through the Mueller investigation, who uh remind you in this book, and knew it was coming in this book, by the way, that they were not going to be done when Mueller was done, that the deep state would keep coming.
And of course, that's become reality now with the this impeachment, if you want to call it that.
I mean, these articles, abuse of power, what abuse, and obstruction of Congress by, hey, the Supreme Court's taking up three cases.
I wonder how the Supreme Court feels about a president being impeached for the Supreme Court taking up three cases to determine if Congress is right or if the president is right in his assertion of privilege.
Sound like obstruction to you?
So that is why I think you know, everybody out there, Sean wrote on on the cover of the book, the next red wave is a must read for anyone who cares about America.
For anyone who cares about America.
You can find the book at the nextredwave.com.
If you're if you're an Amazon Prime member, I think you can still get it in time for Christmas for your friends and family.
It's a great book, uh, again, uh for your conservative friends and family, and it's a guide to victory.
It's how conservatives can beat leftist aggression, rhino betrayal, and deep state subversion, which will continue on, uh, we believe, when Donald Trump is re-elected into his uh second term as well.
And we also want to make some gains in the House, maybe take back that House of Representatives.
We're gonna talk to Than Bennett, the ACLJ's director of government affairs about that.
So a little bit about me there.
Uh uh, I also do a lot of focus on our international work.
We've got offices in Europe, Africa, uh, uh, Russia, and some places we don't talk about because of the security of those individuals.
And so we do a lot of work with those Americans who have been imprisoned abroad uh because of their faith and gotten them released, working with administrations.
And let me tell you, the Trump administration has done an excellent job at doing that.
Um I do want to kind of remind people that the ACLJ is a totally nonprofit organization.
So when we do the work that we do and we represent a client, and we um we get phone calls all day or ACLJ.org forward slash help is where people go.
And especially even during the holiday season, you know, people ask, can I put my nativity scene out?
Can I put the menorah out?
And uh happy Hanukkah to everyone celebrating Hanukkah and uh an early Merry Christmas to those of you uh preparing for uh Christmas Eve uh tomorrow.
But we get those right up until Now, and we have attorneys always ready to answer, always ready to fight if necessary.
So we stay very busy throughout the year.
But we do all this work at absolutely free.
We're a nonprofit organization.
So whether it's the government affairs work on Capitol Hill, whether it's the legal work all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of an individual, on behalf of a city or town, or community or school district, uh, or on behalf of someone like you.
We do it for absolutely nothing.
So it doesn't cost you anything to have great legal uh a great legal team.
And we have a great legal team.
Just ask President Trump.
Uh, because we've got three cases of the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of him, three cases granted uh by the U.S. Supreme Court.
But uh, so let me encourage you.
Uh this month is really important for the ACLJ, and I want to thank Sean for having me on and Linda for booking me on as well, because this is our most important month financially to prepare for the new year.
And if you donate at ACLJ.org, that's ACLJ.org, you'll see on the top of the page it says matching challenge.
And this is what's really cool.
So if you donate to ACLJ at ACLJ.org, uh, whatever you donate today, that could be like $20.
I mean, and that means something.
I want to remind all of you, like a campaign.
We're very small uh donor-based, we're not big donor base, we're small donor-based.
So $20, $30, $40, those kind of donations really matter.
So if you donated $25 right now, that's what you're charged on your credit card at ACLJ.org.
That's all you've donated.
But we have a group of donors that say, hey, we're gonna match every donation that comes through in the month of December.
So they'll match your 25.
So for us and the ACLJ and the work that we do, that $25 that you donated effectively becomes $50.
You can do the math based off what you're able, if you're able to financially contribute uh today at ACLJ.org and be part of that matching challenge.
But just to remind you, today we're gonna get into impeachment.
Where does it stand?
You know, I talked about it uh over the weekend on Fox, where the the different options.
Has the president been impeached?
I mean, we're we've actually got that question now being asked by serious legal scholars, including us.
We got Alan Dershowitz asking it.
We have Noah Feldman, who was one of those professors uh from Harvard who testified uh that he wanted President Trump impeached, but now has written an op-ed saying the president hasn't been impeached yet because Nancy Pelosi hasn't sent it over to the U.S. Senate.
And then there's that other option of does the Senate have to wait?
Well, constitutionally, no, because the House has the sole power to impeach.
The Senate has the sole power to try.
But there's some rules issues there.
We're going to get into that as well.
Why the Senate can't just so quickly uh start a trial.
We've been researching this, analyzing this as well at the ACLJ and on be in our work on behalf of President Trump.
So coming up again on the broadcast right away, a great friend of Sean Hannes, a great friend of the seculos and of the American Center for Law and Justice, uh, Congressman Louis Gohmert.
He was on the House Judiciary Committee.
Uh he got to question those expert witnesses.
I kind of put that in quotes since three of the four uh were the anti-Trumpers.
Uh, but now that one has said, well, maybe impeachment hasn't occurred.
So he's gonna come on next.
He's a Republican from Texas and also a former judge.
And so, and I know he's someone who has hosted this broadcast before, so it's great to have Congressman Gohmert joining us.
We'll get Than Bennett in the conversation as well.
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That's a big question, right, folks.
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Hey, welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
This is Jordan Seculo.
I am the executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, the co-host of radio show Jay Sekio Live.
I sure I'm sure a lot of you know that name.
Uh both uh my dad and I appear on Sean's broadcast, radio and TV pretty regularly.
And of course, uh uh my dad, I co-host uh a broadcast with him Monday through Friday that does not conflict with the Sean Hannity show.
We would never want to do that.
Uh so you can listen to both shows each day.
Uh, you can catch our show and then Sean's show.
And uh I'm also on President Trump's legal team.
I was there for the the Mueller investigation and now for the impeachment, which we thought we were going to maybe still will have some try uh date for when the Senate will have a trial uh fairly uh fairly soon, but who knows?
Because right now Nancy Pelosi is literally just shredding through the Constitution and playing this game.
Remember how they told us they had to do they had to do it so fast, they couldn't wait on the courts.
They couldn't wait on the courts to decide on executive privilege.
This had to move quickly.
Can't wait on more witnesses.
Republicans get no witnesses, no due process.
And now they vote on the impeachment and they're not rushing it over to the U.S. Senate.
Why?
It's don't believe them, it's because, oh, they want these witnesses, they want those witnesses.
Those are the same witnesses that are in court right now.
It's because they're scared, they're scared to death of having to try and defend.
I wouldn't want to be the lawyer or the house manager that tries to defend uh Article uh Article one of their impeachment account, which is abuse of power, uh, based off of hearsay, presumptions, and I mean policy differences.
And then you've got the Article 2, obstruction of Congress.
And let me explain that to you very quickly.
Obstruction of Congress under their definition is not the statutory criminal obstruction of Congress.
You know, there is one.
You can actually obstruct Congress and be breaking the law.
They didn't include that.
You know why?
Because they would have to prove in the Senate trial that the elements were met to obstruct Congress.
And guess what isn't actually obstructing Congress criminally?
Going to court to assert your constitutional rights and letting the courts decide who is right and who is wrong.
And if the courts decide you are wrong and someone has to testify, or some documents have to be handed over, then you hand them over, you let the person testify.
You're not obstructing anything.
See, Nancy Pelosi wants the Senate to do what the House would not.
But that whole game, that whole game of we've got to rush this over, it's just absolutely absurd.
I want to bring in Than Bennett very quickly, ACLJ's director of government affairs, uh Congressman Louis Gohmert from the House Judiciary Committee's joining us in the next segment.
And Than, I mean, it it's just such a game because we were told, oh, we have to rush through this, and now all of a sudden we've got all this time.
Yeah, she's trying to have it both ways.
Jordan trying to say he is impeached, but not send it over.
Look, I think there's a very good argument to make that if the last action by the House was one saying we are not done with impeachment.
Uh Jordan, then I guess he's not impeached.
All right, folks, we'll be right back on the Sean Hannity show.
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Hey, welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
This is Jordan Seculo, and we are getting some breaking news actually right now on the Sean Hannity show.
And I want to thank Sean and Linda for having me today as a host.
I've been a guest a number of times.
It's great to be hosting.
I am a radio show host in one of my other jobs as a co-host of uh Jay Sekio Live, heard Monday through Friday.
And uh again, I'm an attorney with the ACLJ, our executive director, and on President Trump's legal team.
Uh a bit of breaking news, and it's great to have uh Congressman Louis Gohmert joining us now, a Republican from Texas, member of the House Judiciary Committee, uh, who really uh defended the president well, questioning those law professors.
Congressman Gohmert, it's great to have you on the Sean Hannity show.
You're a great friend of Sean's, a great friend of the ACLJs and the seculos, too.
Well, thank you, Jordan, and thanks for all you and the ACLJ dude.
You guys are just great.
And it's always good to talk to you on or off the air.
But uh, yeah, there is breaking news.
Are you talking about uh the Democrats saying uh they may need McGann's testimony to pursue other articles of impeachment later on?
Yeah, I mean, this is the headline.
It just broke on Fox News, and uh, I'll get your reaction, Congressman Gilmer, because I think this goes to this idea.
And we heard it first from kind of the the outliers like Al Green, Congressman Green, who's been wanting to impeach since day one, but then we heard it from Adam Schiff saying he was gonna keep keep investigating.
And now the top lawyer for the House Judiciary Committee, Democrats, revealed Monday that there's a possibility lawmakers could could pursue even more articles of impeachment against President Trump.
Hmm.
Is that why Nancy Pelosi is not handing over the articles?
I mean, the headline is this House Dems raise prospect of new impeachment articles in court battle over McGann testimony.
Now, Congressman Gohmert, to me, is this just another ploy to hold on to these articles of impeachment because they don't want them tried at the U.S. Senate.
I mean, what's your thoughts on this?
Well, I think uh it's there's more than one reason for it.
But for one thing, uh, either the Democrats mean it that they intend to continue to keep uh throwing articles of impeachment up, and uh that's very it's very possible they could send down the ones they have now, even though they know they're not going anywhere, though they didn't prove anything that was impeachable.
Uh they could uh keep sending additional articles for new trials, but you know, Jordan, your experience.
You know, whether it's a civil case or a criminal case or an impeachment case, you don't keep throwing up stuff that you think may um just make people hate the person you're going after and eventually try to find one that will stick that you can convict.
That is outrageous.
It is a an abuse of Congress, it's an abuse of the law, and it's an abuse of the Constitution.
And uh I I really think we're gonna need to go after people, uh, including the speaker.
Uh, this is just outrageous uh to to put this country through this kind of stuff when each time they've got Nothing.
And in fact, I would submit that this kind of garbage in their briefing to the uh court on uh Don McGann testifying is another fraud upon the court.
There's no way that they would do this, and if they did, it itself would be a fraud.
So it's just so outrageous what the Democrats are doing.
They should they're showing that in their zeal and their efforts to get power and keep power in the House and win the presidency next year.
They don't care about the country.
They don't care about preserving this little experiment in self-government, or as they keep they keep bringing it up in their speeches on the floor about uh about uh Franklin's comment, a republic, madam, if you can keep it, but they're doing every can everything they can to destroy the republic.
I'm not sure that most of them or many of them at least know what a republic is.
No, I'm not I don't know either.
Now that they're all uh they're turning towards their uh their socialist colleagues running for president who they don't want us to focus on, so I think they like us focusing more on impeachment instead of uh which socialist is leading in the polls in the Democrat primary.
But at a certain point, I mean, Congressman, I f I first wanted to ask you before this breaking news, and I think this plays into it some, but but just initially, uh what do you think Nancy Pelosi's really doing with this stall on not turning over the articles?
I mean, she's even got liberal professors, one that you questioned, who supported impeaching the president, can't stand the president, want him out of office, saying he hasn't even been formally impeached because you haven't sent uh you haven't sent the the articles over, you haven't named your managers, you haven't delivered it to the Senate.
You got people questioning is the president even impeached?
You have others saying could the Senate just start a trial?
Uh what is she thinking?
Well, uh, she is thinking as she always uh normally thinks, at least uh, and that is about leverage, about political power.
She's not thinking about the constitution, and that's not usually an issue for her, no matter how many times she talked about it.
She's thinking about leverage, and she thinks she's got it.
That gee, we've uh the House voted to impeach the president, and now by golly, uh McConnell, you're gonna give us what we want in the way of witnesses and trial.
Uh, you're gonna bring witnesses that we didn't have the courage to bring.
We're gonna uh demand that you are are more uh uh allowing of us to do things in the Senate we wouldn't allow ourselves to do.
Uh it's she's looking for leverage.
That's that's what it is, and she knows this is going to be a failure in the Senate because it's a disaster.
And by the way, you bring up uh the professor, one of the professors would question, uh, I'm sure you're talking about Feldman because he came out and said uh, and he was from Harvard.
Uh but that man is a liar.
He sold his soul for a political position, and it's one of the reasons that I'm so concerned about uh if this is a guy, liar as he is, lying actor as he is, then uh you know, he doesn't need to be teaching people at Harvard.
You know, Harvard is supposed to be a great bastion of learning.
This guy comes in and says that he's reluctant to mention impeachment.
He's reluctant to talk about impeachment.
Or the Democrat said, Well, I know you're reluctant to talk about impeachment.
He's never that's a flat out lie.
He has been mentioning impeachment gratuitously since uh that Trump was sworn in.
And and so, and he's put it in tweets.
This man has never been reluctant to talk about it.
He's a liar, and also, like I say, uh, you can't trust his legal opinions anymore when it involves something political because the man is for sale.
He his soul is bought and paid for, and he's gonna say whatever he thinks will help bring down Trump.
So it's it's really an embarrassment.
And uh people can say what they want, but Feldman is the embarrassment.
As we're talking to Congressman Louis Gomer, he's on the House Judiciary Committee.
President Trump commended him for his uh his speech after the the hearing, and and really he was talking about uh how Ukraine did interfere in uh 2016.
Uh and that uh you got up there in front of the f on the floor of the house, you said this is spouting Russian propaganda on the floor of the House.
You actually have kind of flipped it on the Democrats.
Yeah.
Nadler Nadler said that, and that was a lie, and it was uh I mean, he says I it really disturbed him that a member would be spouting Russian propaganda.
Look, as I went over and told him on the floor, uh the person who's helping Russia is you.
Russia wants this nation divided, and you by what you're doing, doing everything you can to divide it.
That's what Russia wants.
Yeah, they don't care about who the president is, they care about uh a divided country, Congressman.
They care about well, I I think this this idea like this breaking news that the House Democrats have raised the prospect of new impeachment articles in a court battle.
It was a last minute filing today, uh, right before the you know the Christmas Eve holiday, they file this.
It's the idea, Congressman.
I'm worried about even uh because I I do think President Trump will be a re uh re-elected.
I don't take that uh for granted.
I think we have to work hard to get that done.
We do.
Uh I even think the House is in play now because of this impeachment.
I and I wasn't so sure of that maybe uh uh four or five months ago.
But but is this perpetual impeachment if the House, if Democrats continue to control the House?
Is that is that what we're gonna live under now?
Yes, it is, as long as uh we have a Republican president.
Uh, even if it were Mike Pence, it wouldn't have mattered.
If Ted Cruz had been elected, they were already beginning the investigations.
They were gonna come after them.
That's gonna be their tactic from now on.
And if the American people want to preserve this republic, uh and by the way, uh, we had two those two uh law professors from Harvard and Stanford referred to this as a democracy.
Well, the Athenians had a democracy, then uh Rome improved on it as a republic, and that's what we have.
We have a democratic republic, but uh I'm sure it's just uh a matter of them not being uh sufficiently educated in their positions at Harvard and Stanford.
So we gotta be forgiving of their ignorance.
So for Americans out there for Congressman, that's why one of the reasons I wanted to have you on today, you know, they're preparing for Christmas, obviously.
Um they they know that Congress is back uh you know January 6th, and and you return, but we don't now have a trial date to start.
And this is still hanging over the head of of the president, it's hanging over all of our heads in the sense of of anybody involved in politics, and we're in we're now what uh just uh three hundred and uh sixteen days out from the general election.
I mean, Democrats are gonna start voting soon.
How should people, you know, that the average person they care about politics, they're listening to us talk right now.
How should how should they what should they expect from Congress over these next six weeks?
Well, it's it's gonna be terrible.
It just like it has been.
Uh, you know, and uh for those who believe in the power of a prayer, and I know you do, I tell them pray for God's mercy because this country won't stand up if we get justice.
Uh it is outrageous what's been going on, and they can expect that to continue because the majority, at least the leaders of the majority, uh I mean, it's like a child having control over something and they're concerned about losing it.
They would prefer to destroy it than let somebody else have it.
And and that's kind of where we're headed for.
It's either we keep get the power, we keep the power, we get the white house, or we're gonna destroy this place because that's what they're in the process of doing.
We can't keep functioning like this.
No, it's so divisive, and yet we were gonna talk about a little bit later in the broadcast how the Senate during this whole impeachment uh process in the House, they've been confirming judges at like record numbers.
So the Democrats are not even focusing in it on.
It's interesting to me, Congressman Gomer, because the Democrats usually would use issues like that.
They'd want to they'd really be into those circuit court nominees trying to hold those up and fighting back against those.
But they are so obsessed with this president and trying to label any of you or people like me who support him and defend him as the enemy that they're like they're ignoring the fact that the entire federal judiciary and your former judge, the entire federal judiciary is changing uh right before their eyes, and they're paying no attention to it.
They're not.
They're self-focused on uh as Matt Get said, pinning the tail on their latest theory.
Uh, they want to take down this president, and they've lost sight of all the other things that we could be doing together.
So I think you can expect that to continue, but uh it appears that the American public, at least a part of it, has not uh thought Republican before when it comes to voting.
They are opening their minds to that because uh you know they're being revealed uh as to who and what they really care about.
Well, Congressman Gomer, let me thank you for taking the time uh to join us today on the Sean Hannity show, and uh thank you for all of your work.
Um before President Trump was present, uh was present in Congress.
You've been a great ally for the ACLJ, a great uh friend of of the seculos of of Sean Hannity.
Thank you for all of your work pre and post-Trump and right now for defending the president.
Have a merry Christmas, Congressman.
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We're going to talk more about it with Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst, who's coming up soon, so you don't want to miss the action-packed second hour of the Sean Hannity show.
This is Jordan Seculo, executive director of the ACLJ, member of the president's legal team.
And we just got that breaking news while we were on with Congressman Gohmert about the Democrats in their court filing saying they want to bring more impeachment articles.
You heard me right.
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Unbelievable, folks.
But guess what?
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Welcome back to the second hour of the Sean Hannity Show, folks.
Thanks for joining us.
This is Jordan Seculo, guest hosting for Sean today.
I want to thank Sean for giving me that opportunity, as well as Linda and the whole Hannity team, the whole radio team.
I am the executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, an attorney with that legal organization.
You also know, probably know uh my dad's name, Jay Sekulo.
I co-host a radio broadcast with him Monday through Friday called Jay Sekio Live.
Uh, and don't worry anybody everybody, it's uh before Sean's show, so you can listen to both of our shows.
Uh we're usually broadcast at noon uh to 1 p.m. Eastern time.
And you can find out more about that at our website, ACLJ, that's ACLJ.org.
But I'm also on President Trump's legal team, and uh have been on that team since the Mueller investigation, leading into now what is the impeachment trial, which we don't yet have a date for.
Uh, and things keep getting interesting, like that breaking news.
We just discovered that the House Democrats have raised the prospect of new impeachment articles, new impeachment articles.
This was in a court filing.
Um, this idea, we asked Congressman Louis Gohmert, will it be perpetual impeachment if House Democrats remain in power if Nancy Pelosi remains speaker after the 2020 election if when Donald Trump is re-elected?
He said yes.
I mean, it was very clear about it.
This idea of perpetual politically based impeachment.
So again, I encourage you to check us out at ACLJ.
I'm also the author of uh The Next Red Wave: How Conservatives Can Beat Leftist Aggression, Rhino Betrayal, and Deep State Subversion.
I thank Sean for endorsing the book.
He's right on the front cover, his endorsement a lot, and that is in bookstores.
Now they restocked it for the holidays.
And I think on Amazon Prime, you can still get it delivered for Christmas.
But right now on the broadcast, on the Hannity Show, uh, one of uh really my favorite guest and someone I'm on with a lot when we talk to Sean, both on the radio show, the TV show, and someone I've uh I've worked with a long time.
Uh, when he's been in the host chair, and I've been in the guest chair, and that is Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst.
He's the author of the best seller, Witch Hunt, the story of the greatest mass delusion in American political history.
Greg, it's great to have you on the Sean Hannity show, and it's it's uh nice to be asking you the questions this time.
Nice change uh of uh pace, isn't it?
Jordan, great to be with you.
Thanks for having me.
Greg, I wanted to ask you about this story.
It broke on Friday, really over the weekend, and so it didn't get a ton of cover.
Nothing is getting as much coverage as the impeachment, and then we're getting close to Christmas, but this one seemed pretty big to me, and something right up your alley.
And the headline is in the Washington Times.
It's that the ex CIA chief, John Brennan, is under scrutiny and U.S. attorney Durham's probe.
It goes on to say that U.S. attorney John Durham is examining the role former CIA director John Brennan played in the early stages of the Russia investigation and requesting Mr. Brennan's call logs, emails, and other documents from the CIA.
The veteran prosecutor is said to be interested in Brennan's views of the salacious and unverified dossier compiled by British ex-spy Christopher Steele.
So, Greg, your reaction that we've got a U.S. attorney, they're there to investigate crimes, is now looking into and and is, I guess, subpoenaing or requesting information first.
Maybe, maybe we'll have to subpoena information from the ex CA director, John Brennan.
Your thoughts.
Well, there are so many villains in this morass of misbegotten deeds.
And it was Clinton's Hillary Clinton's ally, John Brennan, who was CIA director in uh early spring of 2016.
Uh, as I write in my book, Instigated and Fuel the Russia hoax by collecting foreign source information on then candidate Donald Trump that of course proved to be utterly bogus, uh, much of it contained in the dossier.
And but he was undeterred, and he exploited those phony tips to create an interagency task force of different intelligence agencies, including the FBI, which was fundamentally a spying operation, Jordan, uh, despite U.S. laws prohibiting the CIA from targeting U.S. citizens uh domestically.
And that's why some members of the Trump campaign were lured overseas where Brennan's cabal could spy on them more freely and where undercover informants like Stefan Halper could be deployed without any legal limits.
And so it is entirely appropriate that John Durham be looking at not just the communications uh of John Brennan as CIA director, but the false representations he may have made uh during his congressional testimony about his conduct.
And we've got that.
I just want people, here's the flashbacks.
May of 2017.
Greg just mentioned it.
This is uh former Congressman Trey Gowdy questioning former CIA director John Brennan on the dossier by 18.
Do you know if the Bureau ever relied on a steel dossier as any uh as part of any court filings, applications, petitions, pleadings?
I have no awareness.
Did the CIA rely on it?
No.
Why not?
Because we we didn't.
We it wasn't part of the corpus of intelligence uh information that we had.
Now, Greg, we're we're being reported is that Mr. Durham is reportedly looking into the conversations Mr. Brennan had with other top officials, including, of course, he's everywhere, ex-FBI director James Comey about the dossier and Mr. Brennan's private statements contradicting his public comments.
So going right at the heart of that questioning is now a U.S. attorney who investigates criminal conduct, not just uh is not just a uh an inspector general.
This is this is getting serious for some pretty uh high up former officials.
Oh, it is.
So, you know, the question is was that false and misleading uh testimony to Congress?
Um are there now documented uh private conversations that believe what he told Congress?
And I and I think they're also Durham's gonna focus on two other things.
Um the handing over of dossier information by Brennan to Harry Reid, who then wrote a letter to James Comey, alleging collusion with the Trump campaign, leaking it to the media to damage the Trump campaign.
And the other is the extent to which, and I write about this extensively in my book, that Brennan and Clapper um, you know, saw to it that the dossier information was contained in some form in the intelligence community assessment report in January of 2017.
Now both of them have denied it at different points in time, then admitted it, then a point then pointed the finger of blaming each other.
Uh and so, you know, there's a lot for a guy like Durham to sort through, but it does suggest that uh deceptions and lies and false representations were made.
Well, and Greg, it goes to your your bestseller Witch Hug that you were talking about, but the the idea here too, uh the inspector general's report, which at first, you know, the the Comeys of the World were celebrating and they were the liberals were celebrating.
Oh, look, see, there was nothing wrong.
And then they started actually reading the report, and Jim Comey said he was wrong, and by the way, he wasn't vindicated.
And we're learning that all of this, this this renewed scrutiny of Brennan uh by uh U.S. Attorney Durham is because of the IG report.
It's not like that report was so mundane And that the way the Democrats and the left were celebrating it, uh, it's it's uh again, it is leading U.S. attorneys to open new lines of investigation.
It's true.
This is the real investigation by uh Attorney General Barr and John Durham.
Durham has the power to compel witnesses, convene a grand jury, seek indictments, he's expanded his probe into a criminal investigation, added news staff members.
You know, uh you know this as a lawyer.
This indicates he may already have found some evidence of potential corruption and lawlessness.
Right.
Uh and so, you know, if I were people like John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, and others, Andrew McCabe, you know, I think I'd keep my criminal defense attorney on speed dial, because you know, the the more information that Durham uncovers, uh, the more it's likely that people who engaged in lawlessness will be held uh to account for that.
You know, Comey was at the helm of all of the uh three of the four warrants to surveil.
And then, of course, as you just pointed out, Jordan, he claimed vindication, which was utterly delusional, but but typical of the self-righteous, sanctimonious, vinglorious James Comey.
And of course, two days later, Horowitz knocked Comey down to size when he said, No one who touched this is vindication.
Is has been vindicated.
And then uh, you know, it was uh a poor choice for Comey to agree to be interviewed uh by my colleague Chris Wallace, who shredded him.
Yeah, I mean, these guys love to talk, Greg.
I mean, that's the thing.
Comey loves to talk.
Uh McCabe takes a CNN role, you know, during the impeachment.
I mean, and I'm sitting there going, you gotta just uh stop talking.
Disappear for a while.
Let this play out before you start, especially before you start writing up and saying I'm vindicated.
That's just absurd.
Yeah, what's amazing to me is that CNN hires these knuckleheads.
You know, I mean, why in the world would you hire uh Andrew McCabe, who's fired for lying not once but four times, fired from the FBI, and is currently the subject of a criminal uh investigation and referral uh over his various purported lies.
I mean, why if you're CNN, you're gonna put a guy who got fired for lying on the air to weigh in on anything.
I mean, how does that guy have any credibility at all?
And of course, also in the payroll at CNN is James Clapper, uh the former, you know, it's like the parade of horribles, the deep state actors, and they keep coming around.
Yeah, it it it's amazing to me.
And and Clapper got his job because he's the guy who leaked the dossier information to CNN in early 2017 and was immediately uh given a paid position at CNN in gratitude.
Uh I mean, who would listen to these guys?
I mean, Clapper has a long and distinguished history of lying to Congress and should have been prosecuted.
You know, Greg, it is always great to have you on.
I always enjoy being on with you as a fellow guest uh on uh television on Sean's show as well, being interviewed by you before.
Uh Greg, I I gotta encourage everybody as we're coming to a break here.
Greg's book, Witch Hunt, the story of the greatest mass dilution in American political history.
Buy it today.
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Let me bring in Than Bennett, the ACLJ's director of government affairs.
He's got a new book coming out uh soon.
We're gonna talk about later in the broadcast.
But Than, uh, we were talking just about the judicial issue with the U.S. attorney issue.
I wanted to focus in just for a minute with some positive news.
Uh, we mentioned it briefly with Congressman Gilmer about how many judicial nominations President Trump has gotten confirmed through the U.S. Senate with Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham.
Yeah, Jordan, this really is the untold story in Washington, D.C. Everyone seems to be focused and understandably so on the the debate over whether Speaker Pelosi will send articles of impeachment over to the Senate.
Uh Jordan, that actually may be the very best argument for why Speaker Pelosi should hang on to them, are the judicial nominees that the Senate is considering while it waits for her to decide.
Let me just throw a couple of data points off of you.
There have been a hundred and eighty-five of President Trump's judicial nominees confirmed by this Senate since he took office.
Of course, two of them were for the Supreme Court of the United States.
Fifty of them, Jordan, are for the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
And just a side note with those, that is now one in four of every circuit court judge was nominated by President Trump.
And that may actually, Jordan, as you know, be the most important level of the federal courts because it is the last stage for most cases.
And then 133 district court nominees from President Trump have been confirmed.
One note on that, Jordan.
13 of those district court judges were confirmed last week.
What was the House of Representatives doing last week?
They were voting on articles of impeachment.
So while we debate whether or not Speaker Pelosi has to send the articles over, I actually think there's a very good argument to make, and leader McConnell is making it.
Look, Nancy, hold on to those as long as you want.
I'm just gonna go ahead and continue remaking the federal judiciary.
I mean, President Obama only confirmed 55 circuit court judges in eight years.
Two terms.
President Trump's already on track to surpass that in his first term.
We'll be back on the Sean Hannity show with Ned Ryan.
Welcome back to the Sean Hannity show.
This is Jordan Seculo, executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, a member of President Trump's legal team.
And I wanted to feature one of uh our government affairs director at the ACLJ, Than Bennett.
He was just talking about uh judicial nominees uh after we were talking to Greg Jarrett and about how during all this impeachment time there's been this unbelievable amount of judges confirmed to the courts.
And in fact, President Trump right now is at a number of uh uh 50 circuit court judges that have been confirmed.
That's one in four circuit court judges in the whole country are President Trump's nominees.
President Obama only got 55 of those confirmed in two terms, eight years.
That means that the president is on track to surpass that before his first term in office.
And I think he'll be re-elected if we all work really hard, and we stop just being the silent majority and start being a little bit more of the vocal majority and more proud of our support for President Trump and what he's done.
Because let me go to Than Bennett.
He's the he's uh is one of he's on the JSEC Yo Live broadcast regularly.
He is our director of government affairs in Washington, D.C. He's got a new book coming out soon, but I would do want to talk about the judges' issue first.
Than this this number is is is really staggering because usually, usually, this is where the left is up in arms.
They're they have lost now uh three different circuit courts, which have been, we say lost, they've been flipped to Republican majority nominees, the second circuit, the third circuit, the 11th circuit.
And if President Trump's re-elected, he's pretty close to being able to flip that crazy out of control Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals too, Than.
I I think he is gonna flip the Ninth Circuit if he gets another term, Jordan.
I think staggering is also the right uh term for the number of circuit judges at 50.
Uh uh, Jordan, not only did they flip the three circuits that you talked about, but 10 of the Ninth Circuit judges are now have now been nominated by Donald Trump.
So there's only 29 seats on that circuit, Jordan, and we have thought about it for decades.
In fact, uh through the ACLJ, you and I have been parts of many, many cases that have intentionally been routed through the Ninth Circuit because it was a reliable left-wing liberal stamp on no matter what the issue was.
If it went to the Ninth Circuit, the left was going to win.
Uh, Jordan, that has already started to change because as you know, a lot of these cases are not decided by the entire court.
There's an on-bok panel and you get a random draw.
Well, now that that margin has narrowed so dramatically, 13 of the 29 judges have been nominated by Republicans.
We're starting to draw friendly panels, including on cases like pro-life cases.
Uh Jordan, but you talk about the overall makeup.
It's now on down to 16 to 13 with one more term from Donald Trump.
Not only will Republicans outnumber Democrats on that court, but Jordan, I think more than half of the judges will have been nominated by President Trump himself.
You let me thank Sean uh for allowing me to host today, uh, bringing on some of our team too, and and Than Bennett, uh, our government affairs director.
As you can tell from the ACLJ, and you know this if you know my dad, if you know my work, Than's work, and the the policy analysts we have, the government affairs team, and of course the excellent attorneys.
I mean, the president tapped us to be his attorneys, so I think you know that speaks volumes.
We're just the international criminal court defending the interest of the U.S. armed forces.
Uh, so that speaks volumes.
The court actually specially requested us uh to be there.
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Let me get back to Than Bennett because Than, you've got uh you've already you're you've already written one book.
You've written a second book.
It's it's available for pre-order on at Amazon.
The book is entitled My Fame, His Fame, Aiming Your Life and Influence Toward the Glory of God.
It releases March 10th, but people can pre-order it now.
And I think it's a good contrast between you as government affairs director, like in the trenches for ACLJ.
And then the faith side.
This will be your second book about your journey in faith.
Yeah, well, Jordan, I appreciate that.
Look, you said your book is going to prepare people for the political conversations they're going to have at Christmas.
My book is probably going to spark some different conversations around your holiday tables.
But look, I mean, I think the same is true for you.
I certainly hope that my faith is what inspires my politics and not the reverse.
So this is going to be a book that's going to give you a glimpse into that.
You're right.
It releases on March 10th.
It can be pre-ordered at MyFame, His Fame Book.com.
But Jordan, just very quickly, it explores this idea that all of us, each one of us, was created for fame, but we have confused the type of fame that we are supposed to pursue, that we're supposed to channel, and that we're supposed to amplify.
So I think it'll be a challenging read.
I think it'll be challenging for those who already have a faith walk, and then maybe those uh who don't as well.
But I appreciate that.
Uh, appreciate Sean being able to uh let me mention it as well.
But yes, if people want to take a look, it's at MyFame, His Fame Book.com, and it'll be out on March 10th.
And you've got a previous book uh available too.
So if people are interested in maybe purchasing your first book now, tell them about that one as well.
Yeah, that's uh it's called In Search of the King, and it is a it's a call for people to really change their lives from an idea of an intellectual academic pursuit into a life of service and and noticing the needs of those around us and serving them, uh, really deepening your fake faith walk.
You can get more information for that one at ThanBennett.com, and of course, it's available everywhere, books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles and the rest, but it's In Search of the King by Than Bennett.
So again, folks, I encourage you to get both because you can buy In Search of the King right now, and then you can pre-order at Amazon at the same time.
Than's new book, which will be out March 10th, My Fame, His Fame, aiming your life and influence towards the glory of God.
And it I think for, you know, we've playing the Christmas music around the holiday season.
You take that break from politics, even from our government affairs director who's, you know, in the war every single day with us to take that break.
Remember what's also uh truly most important.
And uh, and Than's done a great job with this uh kind of other part of his life and his writing.
So, Than, I appreciate you uh coming on, not just to talk about judicial nominees, but to talk about uh your faith walk and the books because you're writing very openly about it as well.
Thank you, Than.
Uh there's someone else I want to bring on, another good friend of mine.
We've worked in politics.
You know, one thing I didn't say is that I worked on before law school and even after a number of campaigns.
Uh the Bush campaign in 04, the re-election campaign.
Uh the uh I worked for Mitt Romney in 08, and that may not be as popular these days, but it was a little different then.
Uh I I actually was early on.
I was with uh Jeb Bush, and then he did not last long in that that race.
But uh again, uh been a strong supporter of President Trump.
And I worked on a lot of worked for the RNC when we flipped seats in Georgia.
So I I got to know Ned Ryan through that and through all those political campaigns and and work and especially uh working together on Bush's uh uh re-election campaign.
He is a grassroots and conservative activist.
He's the founder and CEO of American Majority.
This is an awesome nonpartisan political training group, and it identifies and molds the wave of liberty-minded candidates.
So it goes out there and finds people to run for office.
Ned, it's great to have you on the Sean Hannity show.
I'm it's great that Sean's letting me uh uh host today.
And I want to give you an opportunity to talk about first uh American Majority and then your new book, which is it was which is out now.
No, Jordan, great to be with you.
No, America Majority, we've been around 12 years now.
It's it's pretty crazy to think about 12 years.
But we went out and and we're really looking at the left.
And I tell people I'm admire of the left strategy and tactics, and again, uh 180 degrees opposed to uh to their actual goals, uh, policy-wise.
But what the left's been doing is been identifying and training people at the state and local level for years, identifying them, training them, kind of building up their farm team of local leaders to run for higher office later.
And so I was looking at what the left was doing and said, we've got to do this.
We've got to do this for freedom-loving, you know, liberty-minded people.
So we go out with America Majority.
We identify and train people to run for school board, for city council, for mayor, for county commission, state house, state senate.
First of all, because state local impacts our lives so much on the day-to-day, but also build a farm team for higher office.
And then once we got going with America Major, I was like, you know, we've got to really train the activists to be better at what they do and build coalitions, do get out the vote, really hold their elected officials accountable.
So we've been in all 50 states.
We've trained about 50,000 people, and uh it's been it's been quite the adventure.
But no, you're right.
Got a new book that just came out as well.
It's great listening to Than.
I've known Than for years, worked for my dad.
He was in my dad's office uh for a while became over before he came over to ACLJ.
So Than's an awesome guy, but uh you know, wrote a book not too long ago uh called Restoring Our Republic.
It just came out about 10 days ago.
And Jordan, it was one of those things where beginning of this year, I do a lot of TV, do a lot of opinion writing, and I was thinking we we we know that socialism is wrong, right?
We know that it is antithetical to our founding in in many ways, in fact, every way it's un-American.
What do we know?
Do we know what we're fighting for?
And so I really wanted to write a book and say, hey, here's our republic.
This is what our founders intended.
This is what inspired them to put these various pieces of machinery in.
But I was also thinking, Jordan, I think in some ways what we're experiencing right now with this craziness in Washington, DC, the seeds of it were planted about a hundred years ago when the progressives dropped their administrative st administrative state governing philosophy inside of our constitutional republic, and then lo and behold, as it's building building and building and building, Donald J. Trump shows up and goes, I'm a constitutionally elected president.
I'm the one that decides what takes place in this in the executive branch domestically informed policy-wise, and the administrative actors said, No, we don't think so.
We're the ones that decide.
That's not what our founders intended.
No, it's not.
And Ned, you know, what what upset me?
I mean, I got literally, I was angry when during some of this uh the questioning during the impeachment uh hearings, and they would ask some Democrat Congressman would ask uh you know, did the president divert from your talking points at all?
And like is that impeachable?
I guess it is now, you know, it's like an impeachable offense for the commander in chief, duly elected, to not follow the talking points of unelected bureaucrats who probably hate his guts.
No, and you know what the thing is I was thinking about the other day, Jordan, is you can draw a direct line from Woodrow Wilson to Lieutenant Colonel Venman, right?
Where you have these unelected bureaucrats who've been in power over the years, and again, this has been building and building.
And I point out in the first chapter of the book, we don't even know the size of our government.
We don't.
We we know that there's somewhere over 430 departments, agencies, and subagencies, people with millions of career federal government employees, but we don't even know the exact size of it.
Well, over the years, this administrative state has been given more and more power as Congress has ceded authority, has the executive branch has ceded it authority, and at some point we have to make a decision.
You know, what path do we want to go down?
Do we want to go back to our constitutional republic, or do we want to go down this path of an administrative state?
But the point I'm making the first chapter is because people always ask me, Jordan, well, why should we care what the founders thought 200 years ago?
Why should we care what they put into our founding documents?
Are their thoughts still relevant for today?
And you know why they are, Jordan?
Because they got human nature right.
And I tell people the more things change, the more they stay the same.
And the reason the founders should be studied and learned and be we should appreciate what they did for us, is because they knew that imperfect human nature should never be trusted with consolidated power.
And so what they did is they realized we have to diffuse power.
We have to diffuse power not only in the federal government, but as down to as local a level as possible.
At the same time, they felt that they could create a republic that would be the steward and protector of our God-given rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
And the big shift that took place in the early 20th century is progressive showed up, and they trusted human nature, and they thought they should consolidate power and they should put administrative state in place that could then advance, and I'm saying in quotes, progress, and that was their governing philosophy.
The only problem, Jordan, with this is at some point, these people inside the administrative state think that they're the ones that are going to decide they've been given so much power, so much money, so much control at a certain point, and we've given them so much control, they think, well, we're the ones that decide.
Yeah.
Our founders never intended that.
You know, it it's it's why people need to get your new book.
Again, the book is titled Restoring Our Republic: The Making of the Republic and How We Reclaim It Before It's Too Late.
Author is Ned Ryan.
Ned, where's the best place to go uh to get the book?
You know, they can go to Amazon.com, uh, order it.
And again, I I'm telling people, if it doesn't get there in time for Christmas, listen, it's a great book to read coming into 2020 because Jordan, I truly believe 2020 is going to be one of the most momentous elections of our lifetime.
We need to know what we're fighting for.
Yeah, I absolutely believe that.
And I think we have chance to see a next red wave.
That's my new book.
I'll talk about it more later.
And and Ned, it's great to have you.
And I hope people are seeing these connections.
You know, Ned Ryan talking about how Than works for his father when his father was a congressman and on our team.
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And it's why I thought, you know, we should get him on today, because the whole impeachment thing is swirling around foreign policy, foreign affairs.
And our guest now is uh former ambassador uh uh Bill Haggerty.
Ambassador Hagerty uh was the U.S. ambassador to Japan.
He was appointed by President Trump.
Uh uh served as ambassador from August 2017 to 2019.
He's held uh positions in state government in Tennessee.
He was a businessman, and he is now uh a declared candidate for the U.S. Senate in Tennessee uh in 2020.
Ambassador Haggerty, it is great to have you on the Sean Hannity show with Jordan Sekulo.
Jordan, it's great to be with you.
Thanks very much.
Ambassador, first I want to I I want to get to your campaign in a moment, uh, because I think it's it's interesting uh as as someone following your race closely, uh the issues that you're talking about.
But I want to ask you first about something that's so relevant to everybody, and that's this idea of you know that the president and you're a strong supporter of the president, he nominated you to the position of ambassador to Japan.
You were the Tennessee victory uh chair for the Trump campaign.
Uh the idea again that the president is being endorsed me for the Senate seat, too.
Yes, he has he's endorsed in a in a situation which is unusual.
Uh uh so I mean uh uh good for you, ambassador to get that endorsement uh because it is unusual, even when it's someone very close to the president that he endorses uh when there is any kind of primary anything like that.
So he's already endorsed ambassador Haggerty.
So you're you're listening to the uh candidate uh Trump endorsed candidate for U.S. Senate in Tennessee, Ambassador Haggerty, who's on the Sean Hannity show.
But you dealt with the foreign policy world.
Our president is now being impeached over foreign policy uh decisions with bureaucrats who didn't like his policies, heard, you know, overheard things about his policies, or just presumed thing about his policies.
Uh, what was it like for you serving as an ambassador for President Trump?
You know, it was terrific serving with President Trump as his ambassador to one of our most important strategic allies in the world.
If you think about it, Jordan, Japan houses more men and women of the U.S. military than any other country outside of the United States.
We've got a pretty tough neighborhood over there with North Korea, Russia, and China right at the doorstep.
And representing our nation with President Trump leading our foreign policy was uh just just a night and day difference.
If I think back to the previous administration, there were what their strategy was called was leading from behind.
And I don't think the Japanese could tell where we stood or whether we're gonna stand behind our treaty obligations to protect and defend that nation.
Not so with President Trump.
What was it like with the with the bureaucracy?
You know, because we're seeing some of these bureaucrats, and I don't maybe you didn't experience that.
It seems like you had a great experience in a very important country, but we're seeing these these bureaucrats and these you know for intelligence officials.
I mean, they're they're doing everything possible to take this president down.
And really, I think they know they can't actually get him convicted and you know in an actual impeachment trial.
They're just trying to dirty him up before the campaign, and they they're trying everything possible to then make his coattails uh less important uh for candidates like you.
But you were there.
You dealt with those foreign policy folks.
Uh was it kind of a bizarre world?
Or do you did you did you trust them, or is it kind of a uh trust but verify situation?
Well, Jordan, I have to say, and that I think that that's where that's where these um bureaucrats need to be very clear.
One person sets the foreign policy for the United States, that's the president of the United States.
And as is important as his appointee in a critical strategic relationship like Japan, I spoke on behalf of the president, but only uh consistent with his policies that he said.
And everybody on my team was extremely clear that that was the way it was gonna go.
Uh, you know, every time the North Koreans launched a missile over Japan, I was the one standing there on national TV, articulating our policy and making it clear to the Japanese public that we are there to abide by our security treaty with them, that we're gonna protect and defend the region just as we always have.
I think that is that was a sense of calm and clarity that the Japanese public strongly needed.
And with this president, we're able to deliver that message loud and clear.
Now, after your role as ambassador came to an end in in August of uh 2019, uh in 2019, you have uh decided to launch it's at uh teamhaggerty.com, a campaign for U.S. Senate.
As you said, you have been endorsed by President Trump.
Uh tell people why you've decided to go from you know the business world uh to uh ambassador uh now uh in the Senate campaign.
Well uh the president uh has reminded me that I'm the only member of his administration who he's endorsed to be on the ticket with him next year.
Uh it's important.
It was uh it was a big decision to do that pull me from that role and and uh uh get me to come back home and do this.
But I am very honored to have his endorsement.
And the reason I'm doing this is is he knows that I'm a Christian conservative that's going to stand with him to continue to build our economy.
I've got a business person's perspective on things, an outsiders' perspective, very much like he does.
And he wants somebody that will be very effective at helping him continue to grow the economy, somebody who loves my home state of Tennessee, of course, and will stand strong on issues that matter to us, uh like like securing our borders, the second amendment, life.
The men and women of our military need to be taken care of.
The president knows I love him and will do everything I can to do that.
So I'm here to stand with them and to stand for the freedoms and the opportunities and the strong Tennessee conservative values that uh that he knows I'll bring to bear in the U.S. Senate.
I know one of the issues that you your campaign has focused on as well is this bogus impeachment effort by the House, and we see this delay by Nancy Pelosi, and now there's breaking news that they may want to bring more articles of impeachment.
Fast forward to uh Senator Haggerty.
Yeah.
And and you're dealing how would you be dealing with this if you were in the Senate now?
Well, Jordan, I just have to say you you know if this were a Democrat president, given the accomplishments that President Trump has delivered, they'd be etching his name on Mount Rushmore right now.
He's probably already been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and the first lady would be on the cover of every magazine.
Instead, they can't stand the fact that he's winning.
In fact, this has been going on since the day the president crossed 270 electoral votes.
And I was there, as you mentioned.
I I was there during the transition.
We uh moved into Trump Tower, and I remember them shouting every evening.
They'd organize and shout, not my president.
This has been going on for a long time.
And you know, the Washington Post, I think it was 19 minutes after the president was inaugurated, put up their um their editorial saying impeachment starts right now.
So I think I can see very clearly what this is, and it's uh it's a failed attempt by the Democrats to undo the results of the 2016 election.
They've not been able to stand or tolerate that loss.
I always remind people, Ambassador Haggerty, that in Senate races, especially, but in in all congressional races, now we're in national broadcast here on the Sean Hannity show, uh, that that all of these races matter.
So whether you are in Tennessee listening right now or you're you're outside uh in a different state in the country, we need good senators, we need good representatives in both the the U.S. Senate and the House, and and how can people support your campaign?
If they're excited about someone who's already been endorsed by President Trump for U.S. Senate, how can they support your campaign?
Where should they go?
Well, Jordan, it's critical that we hold the Senate, and I appreciate you giving me this opportunity.
They should go to Bill Haggerty, H A G E R T Y T N. Bill Haggerty T N for social media and teamhaggerty.com is where they can uh find us on the on the web.
But uh on on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, on Snapchat, Bill Haggerty TN.
Uh place to find me in Team Haggerty.com.
Jordan, thank you so much.
We actually uh ambassador, we go to the same church.
We've been praying for your family for a long time while you've been ambassador, and it's glad to have you back and running for the U.S. Senate.
Great to have you on.
We'll be right back on the Sean Hannity show.
Welcome back to the Sean Hannity show.
This is Jordan Seculo, and let me tell you, folks, in this last half hour that's coming up, you don't want to miss.
He's one of my favorite U.S. Senators, John Kennedy of Louisiana.
And he sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
So he's gonna join us when we come back from the next break.
You don't want to miss it completely live.
And I know Senator Kennedy's gonna have a lot to say about what Nancy Pelosi's doing, But also a lot to say about this new report, again, that broke while we were on the air today on Sean's show that the House Democrats have raised the idea in a court filing of filing more articles of impeachment against President Trump.
And we talked to Congressman Louis Gohmert about the idea of perpetual impeachment.
You know, elections have consequences.
I wrote about it in my new book, The Next Red Wave.
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Because in this, in this book, we talk about how they're going to keep coming.
The perpetual deep state.
And now they're using the impeachment tool to be their way of going at the present.
They know that the Republican controlled Senate is not going to convict the president, especially of articles that are so weak.
I think Nancy Pelosi is embarrassed to send anyone over to the Senate to try and defend them against attorneys like us.
You know, it'd be attorneys like uh Pat Sipollone, the White House counsel, uh Jay Seculo, who's got three of President Trump's cases up at the U.S. Supreme Court, uh, people like me, you know, and all the lawyers behind us on the president's team who we've already handled Bob Mueller, who had that endless budget and the Mueller report.
They got nothing because the president did nothing wrong.
So you think Adam Schiff wants to go up against uh Pat Sipaloni and Jay Seculo, maybe, you know, and be questioned or be questioned by people like our next uh guest who's coming up next, Senator Kennedy from Louisiana.
I don't think so.
But at some point, I think we've got to move forward, and we're gonna talk about that with Senator Kennedy, our final guest on the Sean Hannity show today.
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Now, it is an honor to be joined by U.S. Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana.
Senator Kennedy, thanks for being with us on the Sean Hannity show, hosted by uh me today, Jordan Seculo.
Uh good afternoon, Jordan.
Merry Christmas, happy new year, happy Hanukkah.
Uh, thanks for having me.
Merry Christmas to you, Senator Kennedy.
I want to go right to the to these issues.
One, we saw breaking news during the show today that House Democrats in a court filing have said that they are pursuing potential additional articles of impeachment uh in in relation to testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn,
this idea of perpetual impeachment and the idea that you're on the the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the articles of impeachment have not been delivered to you, and now we're learning from the Democrats' own lawyers in the House that they're gonna be they want maybe to pursue more articles of impeachment against our president uh leading up to the election.
I mean, it just wreaks of politics.
Well, to me, Jordan, it it it wreaks of uh of partisan rage.
Um let's talk about what the speaker's done first in terms of holding up the articles.
Uh we've moved as one pundit put it this weekend, we've moved to from f folly to farce.
Uh what I hear the speaker saying is speaker saying, Look, Senate, I am prohibiting you from hearing something that you really don't want to hear unless you do it in a way that I approve of.
Um that's odd.
Very odd.
I mean, sell crazy somewhere else.
We're all stocked up here.
Uh that's just crazy.
And they knew Senator, I mean, Senator, they knew if they passed these articles of impeachment that Republicans were in control of the U.S. Senate.
It's no surprise, no hiding the fact.
I mean, and that there just wasn't, I mean, even the polls, there's just not any bipartisan support at all for these two articles of impeachment.
I think they they're just scared.
I don't think they really want to defend them.
And I mean, I'm on the president's legal team.
I I would love to go up against and and have them cross-examined on, you know, this idea of obstruction of Congress by going to court, considering the president who uh we represent in the Supreme Court case has just had three cases granted.
So is the Supreme Court now obstructing Congress too?
If if you good question.
If you ask privately, uh most senators, they're not gonna say it publicly, but most senators, nine out of ten senators will tell you that they don't want to hear this case.
And the tenth is lying.
So the speaker has no leverage.
Does she really think that that Senator Jones would like to hear this case in the middle of his race?
I don't know.
I don't think the Democrat from Alabama wants to hear that and vote on that.
No, I don't.
I I mean it's ludicrous.
What I think we ought to do uh is is turn to the speaker and say, look, um, thank you very much.
We're gonna send you a fruit basket.
In the meantime, we're going back to work.
And I think we ought to take up the USMCA and the surprise medical billing bill and uh the prescription drug reform bill and start our hearings on the rogue agents at the FBI, call uh FBI director Wraith and go out about our business.
And then if at some point the Speaker doesn't send us the articles, because I can assure you the Senate is not going to do whatever the Speaker tells us to do, not even Democrats will do that, then we can just move to dismiss the proceedings.
Now, if they want to continue on and do additional impeachment proceedings, that's that's nothing more in my judgment than partisan rage.
But it it's also important to look at the deeper damage that's done here.
What the Speaker is doing is treating impeachment, she's trivializing it.
She's treating it as just another partisan political weapon, and that's not in the common good of America.
But one thing that is pretty awesome that you've been able to do while the House has been focused, and basically all Democrats, even the Senate have kind of only been fo and the media, the liberal media has been focused solely on this impeachment show, which now you know is a rush, it was a rush, it was a rush, it must be done now.
He's a national President Trump's a national security threat to our country.
I mean, that's in their documents.
Uh, but we're not actually gonna uh send this over to the Senate.
So it was such a rush, and he's obstructing, but we can't wait for those cases, and that's obstruction, and but we've got to do this now, and except we don't.
And you though, on the judiciary committee, while that's all that whole show has been going on, have been hard at work.
And we talked about today on the show, but you've been confirming judicial nominees from President Trump.
And it's been unbelievable to see the number of judicial nominees.
I mean, Senator Kennedy, you President Trump and Judiciary Committee working alongside, you all have been able to confirm 50 circuit court nominees already.
President Obama only confirmed 55 in two terms.
You're doing the work in the Senate, and I agree.
I think when you come back, just get back to doing your job.
I think we've confirmed some fine men and women.
Uh we've confirmed people who understand that the role of a judge is to tell us what the law is, not what it ought to be.
Uh we we haven't confirmed a single person who's going to try to rewrite the Constitution every other Thursday to satisfy a political agenda that he or she can't get by the voters.
I think most Americans do not want judges to be super legislators.
They want them to be judges.
And and those are the kind of people that we have confirmed.
And I'm very proud of that.
We've also spent a lot of time on uh Inspector General Horowitz's report.
We've got more work to do.
The FBI is the premier law enforcement agency in all of human history, but it's clear that at Mr. Comey's FBI, they had some rogue agents.
And uh they need to be held accountable.
And I'm still waiting uh for our FBI Director Ray, in whom I have confidence, but I'm still waiting to uh to see what actions he's gonna take.
I I uh I said uh in front of uh General Horowitz, I said, what does it take to get fired around here?
You know, it's it's it's easier to divorce your spouse than get fired around this place.
That's part of the trouble in Washington.
No, and it's been the trouble of getting rid of the when you say you're gonna drain the swamp, you see how the swamp comes back at you, and they've come back at President Trump very aggressively.
Well, we we can't control what Speaker Pelosi is gonna do here.
And, you know, I my approach to this is look, I don't hate anybody.
I may disagree with people, but I don't hate them.
I don't hate Speaker Pelosi.
But I do think that she needs to step back and try to govern with knowledge and wisdom, not with appetite and ambition.
Partisan rage is not a reason to try to overturn an election by the American people.
It's just not.
And She is inviting the Congress to impeach every future president for political reasons, and that's not right for America.
Final question to you, uh Senator, is this.
And it's one thing that concerns me.
I, you know, I get the moving forward with the work of the Senate, but it does, it does concern me, is that if impeachment just hangs over the head of the president by Pelosi holding on to it, um, if it, you know, how long can that go on?
Because again, general election voters, they may not be as uh, you know, just up to speed on everything.
They hear he's been impeached, and they think, oh, oh, I can't vote for him, or that's bad.
And be and there's no trial, so he hasn't had an opportunity to be acquitted.
I mean, how long can that go on?
And does that concern you at all?
And do you think the Senate will have a plan at some point if she just keeps stalling?
Well, good question.
Two points.
Number one, if she ever does send the case to us, we will be fair to both sides.
Sure.
Uh we we will not we will not treat the speaker as she treated the president and total absence of due process in the House.
In terms of how long this can go on, the short answer is I don't know.
I have read a number of um essays by some very intelligent people that say at some point the Senate can go, okay.
Um, we're just gonna move to dismiss.
You haven't sent them to us yet, but we're gonna move in in a prophylactic way, say preemptive way.
We're gonna say we're gonna move to uh to just dismiss.
I don't know if that's a legal option, but I I do know this.
Um the American people are are not stupid.
Now, many of them don't have time to read Aristotle every day because they're too busy earning a living and trying to teach their kids morals.
But they can see through this.
This is just partisan politics, and I think most Americans see that, and no disrespect, but I I think politically, I think Speaker Pelosi is just kicking her own butt here.
I I don't understand.
I totally agree with you.
It is very odd.
I mean, Senator, it's never worked in political history.
It's always backfired.
You know, I used the has to hashtag on Twitter, impeachment backfire, because it's like the poll numbers just keep going down and down and down.
But uh just my final uh statement to you as uh as we're finishing out this segment is I do hope you have the opportunity uh to sit and try this.
Uh, because uh people like you, I know will do a great job.
You'll be fair, but you'll be tough, and it'd be great for the American people to see you, Senator Kennedy, and some of some of your other colleagues uh be able to be part of the trial so they can see what the second stage of this and what serious uh impeachment uh and trial of impeachment looks like.
We will be fair to both sides.
I can I can assure you of that.
We will not uh do what Speaker Pelosi has done.
I mean, I've said this before.
The House proceedings were were rigged were rigged as a carnival ring toss.
And and it was a it was an embarrassment to our constitution, in my judgment.
And that's a statement that I think you ought to agree with, whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, or an independent.
Absolutely.
Senator Kennedy, thank you for spending this time with us and Merry Christmas.
And to you too, Merry Christmas.
We'll be right back on the Sean Hannity show.
All right, folks, this is Jordan Sekio.
Let me thank Sean Hannity, Linda, and the Hannity team, our production team, all of you out there listening today, all of our guests, uh, for joining us.
Uh, this is the first time I hosted uh Sean's show.
It was great.
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And I encourage you, pick up my new book, The Next Red Wave.
Have a Merry Christmas, everyone, and a happy Hanukkah.
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