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It's either 3030 or it's we choose truth over facts.
And then of course, then it gets really ugly.
Poor kids is just as bright as white kids.
Yeah, crazy, creepy.
This is more than a gaff prone Biden.
It's a disaster for the Democratic Party that's unfolding before their eyes.
We even have Democrats in Iowa.
Iowa Democrats historically, they want a more establishment candidate to vote for.
And it is looking like a deep panic, has said in to the Democratic Party.
And as I've been telling you, I mean, I'm I'm watching the media very, very closely these days, and I'm telling you, it is uh what whatever the talking point of the day is, they're gonna lock in and they're gonna stick to it, and they're gonna speak in one voice, whether it's Russia, Russia, impeachment, impeachment.
Um, the crisis at the border is not a crisis at the border.
What do they call it?
A they called it a miss something.
I forget what they call it.
A manufactured crisis at the border, impeachment impeachment, then of course, stormy stormy, racist racist, and they don't stop.
You know, now it's you got you know, what do we have here?
The talking point all week long.
Donald Trump is a racist, he wants an all-white nation.
You know, liberal morning Joe.
Obama, uh, you know, literally Joe saying on their show, they're trying to keep America a majority white country.
Julian Castro, they're clearly trying to establish a whiter nation.
Uh, this Katie K BBC lady, whatever her name is.
It's about keeping America white.
And and then, of course, you have what Nicole Wallace claiming that, oh, Trump is planning the extermination of Latinos.
Uh this is insanity.
Um, but it is all they've got.
They don't have ideas.
Muller let them down.
Muller's life raft never came even when he went to testify, even though everybody knew he was not fully up to speed to testify, but they didn't care.
So they're stuck with what?
Joe Biden?
Poor kids are just as bright as white kids, and you can't go to a 7-Eleven or Duncan Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.
And uh for the first time ever, you know, we have somebody that is articulate and clean and bright, an African American.
This is storybook, man.
I mean, who talks like this?
Not remembering Margaret Thatcher is no longer the prime minister.
She's long gone in Great Britain, or saying that he was vice president and he met with the kids from Parkland.
No, you weren't vice president.
That was 2018.
You're out for two years.
And so there is a panic here.
Even New York magazine, low key local party officials expressing concern this weekend in Iowa that Biden's on stage performance and the notion of his electability are in question.
He's not verbally compelling.
The Madison County Party chair told the Washington Post there's starting to be real fear that cannot that he cannot hold his own in a debate against Donald Trump.
The party chair from Grundy County wished that he'd get his mojo back and reminisced over Biden of 2012 when he debated then vice presidential hopeful Paul Ryan.
Um, I don't think they're gonna get out from underneath this at all.
Remember, he also said after the shootings, the ones that took place in El Paso, Texas, and then hours later, Dayton, Ohio.
Well, he referred to those having taken place in Houston and Michigan.
That's how bad this is getting.
And by the way, it wasn't the first time that he referred to Theresa May as Margaret Thatcher.
That was the second time that he made that blunder.
Um, then he's got his own record as vice president, which is a disaster.
Nobody ever talks about that.
Everyone thinks that they're just gonna be able to gloss over the failing uh record of Biden and Obama.
That's not gonna work either.
He's a gaff machine of second, and then all right, so then what are you left with?
You're not left with a whole hell of a lot.
You got well, Kamala Harris and she wants Medicare for all, and you can't keep your your own health care insurance.
Uh, we're doomed.
That means we will all be under the government system.
Let me tell you what that means.
We can't afford it.
It would take up nearly the first 10 years, it takes up the entire budget.
And I am concerned about budget deficits.
First thing we've got to do is build up our defenses, become energy independent.
Yeah, we got to get a hold of the budget.
Um, which will happen, in my opinion.
Um, but I digress for a second here.
We have a lot of news.
We are expecting a report.
John Solomon, investigative reporter, and the executive vice president of the Hill will join us.
We expect that the first of what might be at least three, maybe four full reports that'll be coming out.
The one will be somewhat anticlimatic tomorrow.
This is information we've already known about Comey, top up top secret classified information.
That would be the information that was in his house that the FBI retrieved a month after he was fired.
That was the information that he leaked to his professor friend to the New York Times for the purpose of getting a special counsel appointed.
This referral, of course, for prosecution has not been pursued.
And then also the issue of a lack of candor in that specific case, but that is that is the lowest hanging of fruit, and the issues that are behind it are so significant, which would include a premeditated systemic fraud committed, a knowing fraud against in the Pfizer court application process, uh, which means that they were warned fully.
That will be the Horowitz report on that.
There may be a separate report on all of the leaking from within the intelligence community and the DOJ and the FBI.
That too will be coming out.
And probably the biggest and most damning report of all is going to be the outsourcing of intelligence.
Maybe we'll call this the Bar Report or the Durham report or the combination thereof.
And that means that that which is illegal, spying on Americans without warrants, spying on a presidential candidate, a transition team, and a president, and outsourcing that illegal activity to our allies, oh, let's say in Italy, Great Britain, and Australia, uh, is all likely to be exposed and explosively so.
So don't I we we are real realistic here?
Don't expect tomorrow's report to be the big uh kahuna.
Wait for FISA, wait for this report on the outsourcing of intelligence gathering and the abuse of power at levels that we never dreamed of.
And literally the powerful tools of intelligence that we entrust to the 99% of these brave people that work at the NSA and the CIA, and then of course, our law enforcement with the premier, the world's premier law enforcement is our FBI.
They've been damaged because of the actions of a few at the top, abusing their power and trying to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then unseat a duly elected president because they don't like them.
And the same with the intelligence community.
We have the premier intelligence gathering services in the entire world.
We are the envy of the world.
Say all you want about Russian interference.
Whatever we do to them is, I'm telling you, a thousand times more powerful.
And don't think we don't spy on our enemies.
We do, and thank God we do, but those powerful tools of intelligence can't be turned on political opponents, or we're not gonna have a country.
You cannot abuse these tools of intelligence as powerful as they are.
We need them for our enemies, both foreign and domestic, to protect our constitutional republic.
And it appears that all of this abuse of power not only will come out, will be exposed, and every source I have tells me confidently it'll shock the conscience of and soul of the American people, and it will all be exposed.
So we'll get into all of this as the uh program unfolds here today.
We we just have a lot on our plate.
Um, well, this uh we have town hall.com.
You know, Democrats, they never seem to get tired of accusing ICE agents of mistreating um illegal immigrants.
Have you ever noticed that?
I bet you won't hear Chuck, Nancy, Ocasio Cortez, or or any of the squad, uh ever utter a peep about or of protest about what just happened to an 11-year-old girl in Maryland because two illegal immigrants have been accused of raping an 11-year-old Maryland girl over an extended period of time, and the two illegals, both in their late 20s, were friends with the victim's older brother, and the first allegedly raped the girl in July of 2018.
Now, this is why I always go out of my way to say, I look, me and O'Reilly were talking about this yesterday.
It's true.
I've been down to the border 14 times.
I have been at the Rio Grande.
I have been all the way across the border through San Diego.
I've been in the drug warehouses.
I've been up in helicopters with these agents trying to protect our border.
I have been out on boats with them.
I have been on all terrain vehicles with them.
I have been even on horseback, and I nearly fell off out there with them.
One of the agents saved me.
I've been there when people are arrested.
I've been there when drug uh dealers and gang members have been arrested.
And I have the video to prove it.
I've been in there.
When you see the drug warehouses, you can't believe it.
And what I don't understand is that if we now know definitively that 90% of America's heroin crosses that southern border, and that we're losing nearly 300 Americans a week because of the use of heroin and opioids.
And now we've got a lot of the fentanyl that is killing, you know, thousands of people every month in this country.
Uh that's crossing our southern border.
And then we have, well, I sat through the security briefing with then Texas governor Rick Perry, and we had all the border professionals, and they put together an incredible PowerPoint.
And in the PowerPoint, they pointed out in a seven-year period, 642,000 crimes committed against Texans alone, and some of those crimes as severe as murder, rape, and violent assault.
And this is happening because we're not vetting people at the border.
I'll concede the 99% want what we all take for granted.
The greatest single best country God, our creator, has ever given man.
And the only reason we have this freedom is as a gift from God, protected by the toughest, meanest, most powerful military on the face of this earth.
That's why we have freedom.
So if we're gonna let people in, we have a right to vet them.
We have a right to know that they have a means of taking care of themselves.
Democrats, they're running on the notion that you can be in the country 30 seconds and you're gonna get free medical care, and you're gonna get free access to our educational system, and you're gonna get everything free, free, free.
Well, we can't afford it, number one, and they're insisting that we take it.
But I'm worried first about the 1%.
Build the wall, put the door in the wall, and that's what the president is doing.
And with the president with his emergency orders, he has successfully now won the court battle, and that means that he will be reallocating defense funds to continue his building of the wall, repairing of the wall, which is going on now as we speak.
And we had one of the top agents on what was it last week saying he expects by 2020 that some 500 miles of fence will be fixed and repaired and new wall will be up and it will be more secure than it's ever been, and we'll probably still have more to do.
But it's just the beginning of all of this.
You know, then you got people like you know, Mayor Pete, Mr. Buddha judge, you know, he helped immigrants for ice raids.
We have states like California, cities like San Francisco, cities like New York City.
They actually help illegal immigrants break the law.
Even criminal aliens that get out of prison, they won't cooperate with ICE officials to deport the criminals.
We're not talking about children here.
And never mind the ridiculous notion, will somebody please, please take Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez uh to Auschwitz and let her see and study and learn what a concentration camp is like, and then we can send her to the detention center that Fox News' Griff Jenkins went to,
the one with the soccer field and the wreck facilities, the one that had the TVs and the telephones for those being detained, the ones with the beds and the blankets and the pillows, the ones that provided the doctors and medical attention and medicines and the baby formula and the diapers and everything else that was required.
Yeah, that you were going to compare that to Auschwitz and get away with it?
Well, Buddha judge, we now found out that, you know, when he was mayor, one of the mayor's challenges and models for America's future is two terms of mayor at South Bend.
You know, he found creative ways to navigate within the structures of what the real law is about and bring undocumented immigrants and their families into the city's fold, and he partnered with local nonprofits and he instituted a community resident card uh program to help undocumented South Bend residents open bank accounts, fill, get prescriptions filled, know your rights.
I mean, they're doing everything they can do to aid in the bed.
Why are these lawmakers never willing to enforce the law?
If they want to change the law, good luck.
Go to the American people, make your agenda known and try and get these laws implemented.
But no, they just make them up as they go along.
All right, as we continue on, 800 941 Sean.
Now, when uh we're joined by John Solomon and his investigative report, Justice Department documents obtained by Judicial Watch, this is just breaking, show that the wife of Bruce Orr, the fourth highest uh person inside the Justice Department at the time,
that his wife and uh Nellie Orr, working for Fusion GPS as a researcher into all things Donald Trump and this phony Russia conspiracy theory, that she pretty much acted as a virtual campaign uh mole for Clinton inside the Justice Department, uh, also feeding the FBI one bogus Russia gay conspiracy theory after another, even after Trump had won the presidency in 2016.
Oh, where did it all come from?
The documents show Bruce Orr discussing information obtained through his wife Nellie, including the dirty Clinton bought and paid for phony Russian Trump dossier, and a spreadsheet that tried to link President Trump to dozens of Russians.
And Nellie Orr's spreadsheet purports to show linkages between Trump, his family, and criminal figures, many of whom were Russians, and the list of individuals allegedly linked to Trump include a Russian that was involved in a gangland killing and Uzbek Mafia Don,
a former KGB officer suspected in the murder of Paul Tatum, a Russian who reportedly buys up banks and pumps them dry, a Russian money launderer for Sergei uh Magnitsky, a Turk accused of shipping oil for ISIS, a couple who lent their name to the Trump Institute, promoting a get rich quick scheme, and a man who poured him a drink and others.
Well, isn't that nice?
Then they also, Bruce Orr emailed himself a document entitled Manafort Chronology, another Nellie Orr fusion GPS document, which detailed Manafort's travel and interactions with Russians and other officials.
Jeez, and I thought two hookers urinating in a bed in the Ritz in Moscow is going to be a big deal.
We'll have more with John Solomon coming up.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
800-941 Sean is our number if you want to be a part of the uh program.
I am telling you this is full on panic as it relates to what's going on in the Democratic Party and with Joe Biden.
And it's not like they have a lot of other options here.
I mean, there are now people say, well, maybe we really need to look at Buddha judge because Kamala Harris is now tied herself to such radical extremism, and of course, AOC and the squad and everything in between.
But I look, I I think in a very smart and nice way, David Axelrod, he's not a dummy.
He's a pretty smart guy, and he orchestrated the whole yes, we can hope and change mantra of of Obama, but you got to give Obama some credit.
I mean, number one, he didn't have a media that would ever vet him, but he had a dynamic personality and a forceful delivery and energy that you know that caught on, and people began to believe the slogans and so on and so forth.
You know, Bernie Sanders is out there, you know, with his socialism.
Are we gonna go to the 80-year-old socialist from Vermont is gonna beat Donald Trump in this economy?
I don't think so.
And then Bernie accusing Israel of racism and threatening to cut off USA.
Uh, that's not gonna fly.
He's obviously throwing in with the Omar Talib crowd, which is, I don't think good politics.
You got a poll in New Hampshire now showing Biden is sinking there.
Um Sanders leads the field to New Hampshire with the 21% gravis marketing poll released today.
Sanders following is followed by Biden with 15, Elizabeth Warren with 12.
I would think that Warren might come up there.
Then, of course, not only has Kamala Harris bought into the new Green Deal and Medicare for All, and you have no choice for insurance.
I didn't think she was particularly nice to the older lady when she was calling out bingo numbers in Iowa the other day.
Seemed like she didn't want to hear it when the lady said, Don't take away my health care.
And anyway, so the Washington Post even had to call out Elizabeth Warren won 1024 and Harris four Pinocchios for spreading their anti-Cop Ferguson smear because they both were got were given four Pinocchios by the Washington Post,
which by the way, somebody needs to give Pinocchios to the Washington Post for their two years plus years of lying and conspiracy theories and false reporting and propaganda and misinformation and the political hatchet job they do pretty much every day on the president, just like the faked New York Times.
But anyway, but even in this case, their fact checker, who checks the fact checkers, gave its harshest rating of four Pinocchios to uh both Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, who uh were claiming that Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri was murdered by in 2014 by Officer Darren Wilson.
Now, the only problem is they ignored the Justice Department findings, and on top of that, they gave what is just an absolute false narrative that had been debunked repeatedly by eyewitness after eyewitness in that case.
Now, Brown had, you know, this this idea that Brown had been murdered by Officer Wilson.
No, he wasn't indicted for the crime.
The Obama administration's Justice Department, they issued an 86-page report.
They concluded there was no credible evidence at all that Wilson wasn't telling the truth, and that Brown was killed in self-defense as he was charging after him full on after he, in fact, had reached into the police car.
Remember, the first shot went off.
He reached in, tried to grab Darren Wilson's gun.
That's where the first shot went off.
This is after the robbery that we had on videotape.
And remember, the person that said hands up, don't shoot, if I recall correctly, was the guy that was also involved in that incident in the in the grocery store, the convenience shop.
And instead, they had witness after witness after witness, uh, all testifying, and many of them fearing reprisal uh when they told the truth and they told the truth that in fact, yeah, it was Michael Brown charging at Darren Wilson who's telling him to stop.
And the guy had no choice in that particular matter.
His career was ruined because he just left.
He said, Who needs this?
You know, I'm gonna tell you something.
This is understand these are really interesting new dynamic times.
And I think all of it really comes down to the fact that America chose, I believe rightly, to elect the president who was a disruptive force and a threat to all things that are the swamp, all things that represent the status quo,
all things that are the sewer, all things that are the establishment, which is not serving the American people well, and that's why the iconoclast Donald Trump was elected.
And I think Donald Trump is clearly with the people that went out in 2016 as popular, if not more popular than he was when he ran in 2015 and 16.
And I think one of the reasons people, number one, in spite of the media and their constant harping on whatever false talking point narrative of the day, manufactured crisis crisis, impeachment, racism, stormy uh Russia, Russia.
You know, they see what has happened here.
They see that the media mob had a real Russia interference story and real Russian lies purchased, real Russian lies leaked for the per to the Washington Post, among others.
Let's fact-check that, Mr. Kessler.
Um, and people like Michael Izikov, uh, you know, he'll he'll pretty much print anything that's fed to him to create circular reporting.
It was all the same source, the dirty Clinton paid for Russian dossier that was never verified.
This, of course, all after they they rigged an investigation when the evidence was overwhelming, slam dunk, incontrovertible, that Hillary Clinton violated the espionage act, committed numerous other felonies associated with top secret classified information On a private server, and that was all covered up on her behalf.
And then, of course, an obstruction case, which was slam dunk, and that's her deletions of subpoenaed emails and the destruction of the hard drive, bleach bit, and the hammers on devices and the removal of SIM cards.
Nobody in the media mob felt like telling that story.
Just like they don't seem concerned, the I believers in the case of Lieutenant Governor in Virginia.
But they cared about Kavanaugh.
All of this is political.
All of these people are so interconnected that they basically speak in one voice every single day, whatever the narrative of the day happens to be.
And I'm going to tell you something.
This is the biggest campaign contribution that will ever be given in the history of any presidential race.
And that is the rot that exists in print media like the Washington Post and the New York Times, the rot that would represent the big three networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC.
I mean, how does MBC have an anchor that has a job today after saying Donald Trump has a plan to exterminate Latinos?
And that's that's pretty much daily fare for the people in the media.
Whatever the talking point of the day is, you can pretty much guarantee that they're gonna go out with it and they're gonna spread it and they're gonna run with it, and they'll never fact check themselves.
They're never gonna say, oh, I think we're wrong.
Oh, I think we got this wrong.
I think we need to apologize.
I think we need to issue a correction.
It's been two and a half years of this never-ending lying that has gone on, and they just continue on with it.
And whoever emerges as the 2020 candidate for the Democratic Party, they're gonna end up supporting.
And they're gonna support in a major way, and they're not gonna care.
You know, one of the more interesting anecdotal bits of evidence about Trump's popularity has to do with a report that just came out.
61% of the money that's being raised directly by the Trump campaign, this election cycle, that's all coming from small donors.
Well, I think that would be the people that are waiting, you know, at seven o'clock in the morning or even earlier the night before and tailgating and hanging out in the pouring rain in the hopes that they may get one of the 20,000 seats in whatever arena Donald Trump will be speaking at at a rally later that night.
Well, it seems like they're pretty energized.
I don't think that people that voted for Trump in 2016 are disappointed in terms of him keeping his promises.
There are a few disgruntled people.
I mean, I know nobody's ever gonna please everybody out there, but I mean, he did keep his word on judges for the court, and he did pick from the list he gave us ahead of time as it relates to Supreme Court justices and constitutionalists.
He did give us the biggest tax cuts in history, followed through on that.
He's eliminated more uh Washington government bureaucracy in in less than three years than had been done in the last 33 years.
I mean, we've been piling on all these burdensome regulations.
It's costing us a fortune because business passed the cost on to us, and I've never seen anyone is as active as this president in recruiting big companies to spend their dollars in this country and build their factories in this country and the manufacturing centers in this country than this president.
He has no problem getting on the phone and asking CEOs, well, what I what what's what's getting in the way of you building here and not Mexico?
You know, what are we doing wrong?
Tell me what's hurting you.
How can how can government better serve you?
Because he wants those Americans and those towns in Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan.
He wants those those people to have jobs, and lo and behold, we have the best employment situation since 1969.
There's nobody in the media that's gonna report that.
A few of us, talk show hosts, we'll report it.
You know, record low unemployment again, another record for African Americans in the last week and a half.
Record low unemployment, Hispanic Americans, guy that has a plan to exterminate Latinos, according to MBC.
You know, record low unemployment, record low unemployment for Asian Americans, women in the workforce, youth unemployment.
Youth unemployment is important because that means kids aren't going to be on the streets getting in trouble.
When I was young and I had a job, I wasn't getting in trouble.
That's good.
Learn how to work, learn what real life's about.
Every kid can use that opportunity in life.
But now 61% of the money raised, well, that would be anecdotal that Donald Trump isn't losing the enthusiasm he had in 2016.
So he got rid of the regulations.
He kept his promises on judges.
He gave us the biggest tax cut in history.
You see, he kept his word and negotiated better trade deals.
He's doing it with our European partners.
He's done it with Canada and Mexico.
He's now in the middle of a fight that he's going to win with China at some point.
We're getting concessions.
It's not where we want it to be.
It's not the best in terms of stability for the stock market.
Not that I really most people really care about the stock market that much.
I mean, I honestly, it's the stock market for 80, 70% of Americans is all these numbers are meaningless.
You know, let's let's first get to survival.
I would like to see America, and I think the best thing this president has done is opened up our energy independence for the first time in 75 years.
And by that is the single biggest wealth creator resource we have as a country.
If you want to raise the standard of living of every American, we got all the oil, natural gas, clean coal that we could ever want.
And if we start taking it out in larger and larger quantities and shipping it abroad and providing the energy needs, the lifeblood of every economy on the face of this earth, that alone will raise the standard of living of every American.
Because that industry is paying big money, career jobs in basically every aspect of the energy energy process or the energy industry, starting with you know, those that that drive the energy in trucks are being trained and being paid 80 grand a year without any overtime.
And then you have as much overtime as you can ever want.
But of course, that's not that story is not going to be told by the media.
They just, you know, how can we hate Trump today?
Let's call him.
How can we call him a bigger racist today?
It goes on.
And by their standards in the media, well, then Bernie Sanders responsible for the Scalish shooting.
Elizabeth Warren, the Dayton shooting.
All the Democrats that say they're concentration camps.
Well, the shooting that has taken place uh in San Antonio in the ice facilities, well, they'd be responsible for that.
Their rhetoric caused it.
Or the other attacks, for example, in July of 2019, when the Washington Ice facility facility, you know, was was shot at.
He had a man accused of hurling in incendiary devices at that Washington Ice facility.
He was shot by police.
Or the one in Arizona, the suspect in the shooting involving ice special agents were identified there.
Then you've got, of course, Democrats.
You have Representative Gutierrez calling ICE agents Cestapo.
Uh, is he responsible then for what happened in San Antonio?
Or this, you know, liberal resistance.
And it says ICE, the American Gestapo or Ocasio Cortez, uh, Alexandria Casio-Cortez, the Congresswoman from Queens, New York, doubling down on dumb and stupid and comparing the detention centers to concentration camps.
Will somebody please take this woman over to Auschwitz?
And somebody that we have plenty of video to show her what a real concentration camp looks like.
And then we can go take her to the one that Griff Jenkins went to with the soccer fields, the wreck facilities, the phones, oh, the computers, and let's see, what else did they have there?
Other recreational facilities.
They had medical care, they had beds, they had blankets, they had pillows.
That's not what Auschwitz was.
That's not a concentration camp.
Pretty unbelievable.
You know, Democratic uh Congresswoman called Ice Gestapo of America, this vet Clark, Congresswoman.
Was she responsible for what's happening?
What about all these people like Mayor Pete?
He helped prepare immigrants when ice raids were coming.
What about these the aiding and the betting in sanctuary cities and states?
You know, Donald Trump, modern-day Gestapo, said almost every day by people on NBC, ABC, CBS.
They don't care about the truth.
They'll never tell the truth.
And that's why so many people hate them.
But the question will be as it is every election, are you better off than you were four years ago?
Donald Trump lost many of his supporters.
I don't think so.
And what about the people, best employment situation since 1969?
The millions of millions now off of food stamps, out of poverty, out of work, now working.
Will they consider voting for Donald Trump because they have a better situation?
I think the answer is yes.
Good luck to Crazy Uncle Joe and company.
Frankly, angry to learn of the MCC's failure to adequately secure this prisoner.
We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation.
The FBI and the Office of Inspector General are doing just that.
We will get to the bottom of what happened, and there will be accountability.
But let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein.
Any co-conspirators should not rest easy.
The victims deserve justice, and they will get it.
They deserve justice and they will get it.
That the commitment from the Attorney General Barr uh as it relates to the Epstein death in jail.
Many, many questions remain.
Uh there are two stories that we are following with investigative reporter and executive vice president, columnist for the Hill, uh John Solomon.
One has to do with Epstein.
We now have memos uh showing the DOJ has been warning for decades about really serious stark problems inside the federal prison system.
The issues in Epstein's death uh closely resemble those in high profile inmate suicide probe from 24 years earlier.
Why haven't they fixed it?
You see, internal internal reviews uh frequently flagging security issues like security camera blind spots.
Uh you had the the the unions fumbling contraband surge policies for 10 years despite safety concerns.
Uh the question is, well, what high profile people was Epstein talking about when he talked to a New York reporter uh saying, Oh, yeah, I've got a lot of dirt on a lot of people.
And um, with all the media out there and their sick, twisted and ugly conspiracy theories, once again, it's hard to get to the truth.
We don't know what the answers are at this moment, but we'll get there.
Anyway, John Solomon joins us on this, and we're also expecting what is the first of what will be at least three major reports that'll be coming out, reports two and three will be the massive bombshells we've been predicting for over two years.
Uh John Solomon, let's start on the Epstein case.
Yeah, absolutely.
Listen, there's a lot of things that are still uncertain in the factual narrative that we need to all build before we come to final conclusions.
But one thing is certain the Justice Department for 25 years has been repeatedly and chronically warned that its Bureau of Prison Bureaucracy suffered from serious shortcomings.
And these warnings began shortly after another famous suicide in prison back in 1995 in Oklahoma City, right after the Oklahoma City bombing aftermath.
Uh uh a gentleman named Trinidad hung himself in a jail after being beat up.
Uh, and the the uh significant failures of the uh prison bureaucracy to protect him, uh, to properly investigate his death to administer potential life-saving help to him when he was still partially alive, uh, mirror so closely what happened to Epstein.
And it when you read through these 25 years of inspector general reports and internal memos, they make clear that the Bureau of Prison hasn't learned much, hasn't changed much in its behavior in 25 years between these two epic deaths in prison.
The words of Epstein, I have dirt on powerful people, well connected.
Um, one of the interesting things the media won't focus on, there was one guy that did stand up to him in a in a pretty bold, dramatic public fashion, and that was Donald Trump 16 years ago when he threw Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.
You know, for all the people speculating that, oh, Donald Trump had him killed the Deborah Messings of the world.
I mean, the the the conspiracy theories are obscene and absurd, but yet after all we've been through, fairly predictable, I guess, at this point.
Uh, probably if there was dirt on Donald Trump, uh, I doubt Donald Trump would have publicly humiliated him in the high society of Palm Beach, which, as you and I both know, uh means so much to so many.
Where you stand in the pecking order is everything.
But we also have this issue of guards that are overwork.
Now we have reports in the paper today that in fact these guards may very well have been sleeping.
Um there is massive overtime demands that are mandatory.
And I I know this from my own life and my mother, it was mandatory.
She do 16-hour shifts we seven days a week, week in and week out.
You know, uh how and but to wake this woman up for her next 16-hour shift, she had the la an alarm clock, and when it went off, the whole neighborhood thought a bomb went off in our house.
It was so loud.
It was the only way she could get up.
Only way to get up because she was so tired.
But that's how tired these guys are.
And because nobody wants to work in these prisons, and then one report today that prison guards fell asleep, and then they falsified records to cover it up.
That's that's again it's very similar to what we saw in the Oklahoma City case.
Listen, uh, one of the things I found in these memos, there are 5,000 prison jobs that the Bureau of Prisons has had trouble filling uh over the last couple of years.
That's a red flag right there, right?
If you're down five thousand staff positions, you know you have to be cutting corners in order to make ends meet.
Uh there's going and and we can go through many things.
Listen, it took ten years for the Bureau of Prince to come up with a policy uh to uh fight the rapid growth of contraband, which is a way that someone can commit suicide or a crime or murder in prison.
Contraband, one of the biggest threats to prison guards and to the prison population.
Ten years to come up with a plan when they instituted the IG found, boy, it is full of holes.
In fact, here's one hole.
Uh the cameras that are supposed to protect the guards have giant blind spots, which and the prisoners know what those blind spots are.
They can jump someone and never be caught on camera.
If you take ten years to build a plan and you still have holes like that, you're not serving the American people.
The bureaucracy.
You're right, but John, even further than that, they have the means of installing a camera in every single cell.
Um and in such a way is they're not going to be able to damage the camera, or if they start to try, you'll be able to run in there and stop them.
But more importantly, you you could have one prison guard, one correction officer watching a hundred cameras, and they'll know if somebody's trying to commit suicide in seconds.
What you see here is the neglect of the permanent bureaucracy of the Justice Department.
The same bureaucracy that gave us the Shiraz that was the Russian investigation.
You have people collecting checks and bonuses and patting themselves on the back with awards who do not do the American people any good.
They don't serve, they don't use common sense the way you and I have to run our businesses and our lives every day.
The you know, we call it the deep state, we call it the permanent bureaucracy, but at some point, someone like Attorney General Barr has to hold these people accountable in a way that's painful.
And I believe the Epstein uh moment is going to be a flashpoint in that accountability process, as is the ongoing John Durham probe at Russia about the Russia case.
I think in both places that pure permanent bureaucracy with has gotten a free ride, bad performance, rewarding themselves.
They're going to be held to account for the first time in a very long time.
And all that neglect from the Obama years of the Justice Department and even earlier is finally going to be put on the table and fixed.
I think that's the big hope for the American people.
Well, and the problem is is you've got, you know, people out there, celebrity Tebra Messing actually saying Trump finally made good on his promise to kill someone and shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue or Michael Moore.
I guess a country dumb enough to elect Trump is stupid enough to believe that Epstein committed suicide.
Uh and they did it, you know, on the traditional Friday night, early Saturday morning dunk uh document dumb time when they know the fewest number of people will follow it.
And then Rosie O'Donnell, you know, genius that she is, uh saying, well, uh Jeffrey Epstein's worms have opened and they will be crawling over some very powerful people.
Oh, that well, sorry, that was meathead Rob Reiner.
But let me move on to the next bit of uh information.
So let me give you what I'm hearing.
Because while we do compare notes quite a bit, you're busy, I'm busy, and we kind of catch up at moments when we're getting to a critical point.
Um last night you kinda accidentally on purpose, because I know you let out of the bag that there is a pretty quickly, didn't you?
I did.
I mean, unfortunately, you know, uh our friendship allows for that.
I loved it.
But we expect maybe the first and what we expect to be what I am told will likely be three separate reports.
That's correct.
Report number one will be a follow-up.
This will be from the Inspector General Horowitz.
Right.
As it relates to Jim Comey violating the espionage act.
Yep.
Yeah, and their determination that he was lacking candor, in other words, lying.
That would be what Papadopoulos, Manafort, Cohn were all charged with and spend time in jail for.
Um that is that is what we know it to be the most minimal by far.
It doesn't even compare to the level of what we're heading into.
Um the uh I a hundred percent.
I agree.
I think this is the first opening salvo.
It's a narrow investigation looking at how James Comey handled his um uh memos from his meetings with the president about the Russia case, many of which were classified, one which was or several that were leaked to his lawyers, one leak to the media that had classified information and we already broke the story a couple weeks ago.
We know that he was referred for prosecution.
DOJ declined prosecution because they thought it was a weak case.
They're looking at other more serious matters with Comey.
Let me stop you here.
They thought it was a weak case in this sense.
They did not want to start with a case that wasn't a guaranteed slam dunk conviction, and and as you look at intent, that word intent becomes in in a courtroom, um, a word that would have been focused on by the defense like a laser beam and proving intent is very difficult to do.
Yeah, absolutely.
And beyond intent, there's a second issue here, which is the classification uh of the document that was actually leaked to the media, which is the most egregious of the examples in the Comey's handling, uh, was a document that didn't have markings on it saying it was classified until after he returned it to the FBI.
Now, in fairness, he stole the document from the FBI, gave it to his lawyers before it had gone through the review process.
That's bad conduct.
But it's very hard for a jury to say, well, listen, it wasn't Mark classified when he leaked it.
All right, we get he didn't follow the rules, but uh we can't prove that he knew it was classified when he sent it.
That's why the prosecutors made the decision they did.
It's i they would have made this decision whether it was Jim Comey or Joe Smith.
And I and I think prosecutors do this every day.
You have discretion when you realize that a jury might not grasp or might not appreciate the nuances of the case.
That doesn't mean Jim Comey's out of out of uh trouble in any way, uh or shape or form.
The his testimony before Congress is still being examined for truthfulness and his conduct in signing that first FISA warrant, what he knew before he signed it, what the FBI allowed itself to represent that we now know not to be true.
Uh those are things that are more serious issues that I still think lingerie.
Okay, so if we were gonna if we were gonna name the reports, we would say likely Thursday, not a hundred percent.
I hear it's likely Thursday.
That's what I'm hearing.
Yep.
All right, which is the minor Comey report by Horowitz.
Then we're gonna get the full Pfizer report.
What is your timeline for that?
That will be the one that will prove beyond any doubt premeditated fraud in order to get a a FISA application, denying American citizens uh their constitutional rights and due process, and literally committing a premeditated fraud on the court for also the purposes of spying on a opposition party campaign, a president elect, and then a president of the United States.
That will be big.
That will be, I think that will be mid-September to early October is the time frame I'm hearing from people that are in the know.
But in between that FISA report and the Comey report, there could be a second report, an interim report that comes out that takes a look at the culture of leaking inside the FBI and the practice of FBI agents allowing for a leak to occur and then using the leaked information, the newspaper or media report that comes from it as potential evidence.
They're looking at that as well.
That could be a separate report given the the breadth of evidence I'm told they found in that in that practice.
So that would be the circular reporting that we've discussed often.
That would be the their media allies, conspiracy theorist hacks, like, oh, let's say Michael Izakoff, who's a conspiracy theorist and a propagandist who just prints whatever that he's told to print.
I actually am hearing something a little different.
We'll compare notes, we'll come back.
John Solomon, executive vice president of the Hill investigated reporter, uh, and we uh we are awaiting what will be at least three reports, maybe now based on what he's telling me, four, but we'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll continue.
All right, as we continue with uh John Solomon, investigative reporter, executive vice president of the Hill.
All right, so you're saying that the second report, again, Thursday we expect the Comey stuff, which we pretty much already know.
There might be one on the the systemic leaking.
That's separate and apart from what I had known was going to be a part.
Then we've got the FISA uh inspector general report, which will show premeditated fraud after numerous warnings that the information paid for by Hillary was false and they purposely misled a FISA court on Multiple occasions.
Um, but I also know that there is uh an undertaking that has been going on all through Europe.
And that in this undertaking, we might be getting to the origins of the Russia Trump conspiracy, and it might involve top intelligence people that were outsourced sourcing, intelligence gathering, spying on Americans to our allied spying agencies,
uh, things that they knew would be illegal for them to do, and that these agencies fully participated in, and there was some type of reciprocity going on, which means the powerful tools of intelligence were turned on the American people by some very high-ranking intelligence people.
Yeah, listen, uh uh, a few weeks ago, Attorney General Barr used a very specific term I've never heard used before, political surveillance.
That is a term that doesn't belong in the lexicon of the Justice Department or the FBI or the intelligence community here in America.
There is some suggestion that uh uh an efforts were initiated overseas, either with the encouragement or wink of eye of the United States to spy on certain political figures, bring intelligence in that would create the basis for an investigation.
A lot of work needs to be done before we nail down the facts on that.
But there is clearly an inquiry looking at this sort of loose network of foreign private foreign country intelligence agencies working loosely with U.S. intelligence, perhaps to carry out this dirty trick that was carried out on Donald Trump during the 2016 election.
Now I have some breaking news for you.
Just a few minutes ago, the Justice Department has released uh the memos that Nellie Orr prepared for her husband Bruce to give to the Justice Department and the FBI.
When people read these memos, they're gonna roll their eyes.
You want to talk about tinfoil hat conspiracy data, these spreadsheets that were put together uh on Manafort and Donald Trump's hideous connections to Russia as they're portrayed in there.
Laughable.
Most of them were laughed out of the box by the Mueller investigation.
But for the first time, we now know exactly what Nellie Orr, contractor for Fusion GPS in Hillary Clinton, provided her husband and used her husband as a conduit to get dirt on Trump to the FBI during and after the election.
Uh, and when people read what it is, you'll wonder why the FBI ever accepted this information in the beginning.
It's very troubling stuff.
Another example of that conflict of interest we've been talking about.
Stay right there.
John Solomon, investigative reporter, executive vice president of the Hill.
We'll keep him onto the other side of this break.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour, 800 941 Sean, our toll free telephone number.
Uh he has graciously agreed to stay longer with us.
Our friend John Solomon, investigative reporter, executive vice president of the Hill.
Uh we gave you his breaking news on the systemic prison power uh problems that have now gone on for decades and have not been resolved on the federal level, uh, and eerie similarities to other suicides that had taken place twenty, twenty-five, thirty years ago.
Uh, but also we are awaiting uh the first of what will be at least three reports uh of abuse of power and corruption, uh maybe as early as even tomorrow as relates to James Comey.
This is information we kind of knew about, but now we'll get the formal inspector general report on Comey, the information uh that was in fact classified that he took to his own home a month after he left office.
It was the home was raided uh by his former employees at the FBI.
He was apparently interrogated at the time, and those documents had no right being there.
Those are the documents that he ultimately leaked to his journalist friend of Columbia, his professor friend who then was told to leak to the New York Times for the stated purpose of getting a special counsel appointed, which happened to be his BFF Robert Muller, who had been applying for the job that Comey left or was fired from uh just the day before he became special counsel, which is a conflict in and of itself.
Anyway, so we expect that report tomorrow, as John just explained in the last half hour.
No real bombshells here.
My sources telling me that there's a reason they have found evidence that in fact the espionage act was violated by keeping those classified documents and that Comey himself showed a lack of candor, which means he lied to the FBI, correct?
Absolutely.
Uh certainly wasn't forthcoming.
I think the actual allegation that the report focuses on, I'm told, is the fact that when the FBI came, his own agents came to pick up these documents, Sean that he had taken from the FBI improperly.
He failed to tell them that they weren't only in his possession, that he leaked them to other people.
So that delayed the FBI from discovering for some time that there was a leak of this classified information beyond just James Comey removing him from his office.
So that's the lack of candor.
It's a lack of candor by omission.
But when you're the former FBI director, you owe it to your bureau to tell your agents who work hard every day everything you did with something when you know they came to your house to collect something that you shouldn't have had in your possession.
It's a it's one of the things that I think will come out in that report as early as tomorrow.
I want to stay on this and we'll go through each of the items individually because I don't want people we don't give false hope to people, and we're not raising people's expectations.
We know exactly what this portion on Thursday we expect will be released is going to deal specifically and only with this issue of Comey.
And in fact, they they did recommend uh a potential uh charges in this case.
The Attorney General had denied.
Now there are mixed reports from sources I have that that referral for potential prosecution was not even denied by Barr, but that decision had been made prior to Barr's arrival.
I've heard that.
I don't know it to be true.
Do you?
What I do know is that the recommendation had been floating around and surfaced with many people, but the final decision was made after Barr was attorney general.
But yet here it doesn't matter when everybody inside the Justice Department was in agreement that this was not the sort of case you should bring.
And here's one of the reasons why.
If James Comey stole these documents, leak classified information, and he gets acquitted, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the bureaucracy about the handling of classified information.
You bring these cases, one to punish the person, two to send a message to others who might be tempted to do the same thing, and this didn't have the sort of circumstances that a jury would likely convict on.
And so you don't take that risk.
There are many other uh mechanics.
Okay, so we're we're hearing the exact same thing.
Then we're gonna have the Michael Horowitz FISA report.
The this has been delayed because of new circumstances.
Uh I we now know that Durham spent some sixteen hours, finally Christopher Steele, who again the bulk of information, the Grassley Graham and Nunez memos pointed out in the FISA applications, the original application in October 2016, the three subsequent applications thereafter, three of the four signed by James Comey himself, but the bulk of information was the phony dossier.
And to reinforce your reporting, you're the one that discovered everybody at the Justice Department and the FBI at the highest levels were warned not to trust that information.
Hillary had paid for the dossier, it was unverified, and Steele had a political agenda hating Donald Trump.
At the top of a FISA application is the word verified.
That would mean a premeditated fraud committed on a court for the purposes of getting a backdoor channel into the Trump campaign, the Trump transition and later Trump presidency, and also denying Carter Page, and I don't think this is insignificant, his constitutional due process rights.
Is that a hundred percent?
You know, there's a document that doesn't get a lot of focus, Sean, that is so potentially powerful and understanding how far off the FBI was from its normal means.
When they shut down Christopher Steele, they did what's known as human source uh validation report, what they thought of Christopher Steele, his body of work.
And here is what that report, which a lot of people haven't looked at, it's released under FOIA a long time ago.
It's so powerful.
It said that his information was only minimally corroborated, meaning they didn't corroborate most of what he ever told them.
Two, that they only had a medium confidence in the quality of his work.
To know that that's where the FBI ended up with Christopher Steele, and yet to go into the court before that and tell the court this is a solid guy.
We have every reason, we have no derogatory information about him.
Trust us when we say we verified this stuff about Carter Page.
It's why you gotta let a spy on Carter Page.
It really shows how far from the truth the FBI was in that application.
And when James Comey signed his name to that application, he extended that fraud, he extended that misinformation, he extended that uh inappropriate contact with the court in a way that should never have happened.
He holds the ball on that first FISA.
Okay.
Then we've got now you're saying you believe there might be another report that I'm not that acutely aware of that would involve the systemic leaking of classified top secret information.
Uh I think this might go back to your original report reporting with me, and that involved, and that was in March of what year, 2017.
Okay.
Uh which would be surveillance, illegal, uh unmasking, uh leaking of raw intelligence is am I over the target on that.
That's right.
And in some cases, it might not even be classified information they're leaking, but if they leak something so that they then can turn around and pretend it's evidence that they found independently, it creates that circular reporting we've been talking about.
We know that went on with Christopher Steele.
Christopher Steele and Simpson leaked information.
The FBI then used an article based on that leak, the Yahoo article by Isakoff to support its FISA warrant when they knew it came from the very source that they uh uh that was Christopher Steele.
That culture of leaking and that possible activity of using leaks to further warrants and court filings is something that the Inspector General is looking at, and I'm hearing that he's found enough that he might spin off uh uh uh a singular report just on that culture of leaking.
Okay.
Now the next uh aspect of this is that then we have again, so number one is Comey.
We know that Thursday.
Number two is the big Horowitz FISA investigation, premeditated fraud committed on a court.
I've got to believe that there will be people that will be charged in that case.
Certainly there should be a grand jury put forward, I would expect charges, would you?
Uh I'll wait to see.
I uh so far I've seen no evidence of uh criminal act action, meaning the impanelment of a grand jury witnesses getting subpoenas.
So hey, John, are you saying that they might get away with premeditated fraud committed on a FISA court for the purpose of spying on a presidential campaign transition and presidency?
They might get away with that without being charged?
No, here's what I'll say is that right now, at this point, early in the in the Durham case, there's no sign as a reporter that I would be looking for that there's a criminal grand jury going on.
We don't hear of a grand jury, we haven't heard subpoenas.
But listen, at the beginning of an investigation, the first thing you do is you get all your facts together.
That's why they've been in Europe.
When they come back from Europe, if they impanel a grand jury, then you can begin to infer they found criminal activity.
If we're three months from now, still no grand jury.
I think as a reporter, my professional assessment would be it doesn't look like they're going criminal on this.
It's early.
Remember, Durham only got this assignment a couple months ago.
There was a mammoth amount of evidence to review that had never really been looked at in the Rosenstein uh sessions Justice Department.
And I think we should hold our powder, watch what happens.
But for the public, what we ought to all be looking for are the first grand jury subpoenas.
That will be the first and most declarative sign that there could be criminal culpability in the Russia case.
All right.
Now this is where we now have all of this time that has been spent abroad by the Department of Justice, by the prosecutor for Massachusetts, Mr. Durham.
And what I'm hearing is there at the end of the FISA report from the inspector general, that things have gone a lot deeper and gotten a lot more a lot more corruption and a lot more abuse of power has been uncovered and will be exposed.
And what I'm suggesting is you're suggesting a third report that might involve leaking.
I'm suggesting a third report that might involve uh things way beyond the st in terms of the origins of the Russia investigation.
The use of foreign intelligence services to spy on Americans, the outsourcing of that which would be illegal by our own intelligence officials, uh done on purpose for the purpose of impacting a presidential election and unseating a duly elected president, and that the people at the highest levels in the intelligence community under Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the ones that would be held responsible for that.
And that call it the Durham Report, the Bar Report, the Bar Durham report.
That that would be the explosive one.
Yeah, and I think what's most important about that is remember the Justice Department Inspector General can only look at Justice Department employee conduct.
You've got NSA, CIA, many other intelligence assets, maybe foreign allies or foreign private uh intelligence corporations like Orbis and others that were involved.
Uh the great thing about the Durham Bar investigation is that it's far more expansive than what the inspector general at justice can look at.
And I would expect that the the Bar Durham report will be the final word, the most comprehensive word.
It will incorporate what the IG found, what we learned from the great congressional investigations, and then all the stuff that went on in Europe that now seems to be the most important and new focal point of this intelligence review.
When I when you hear the word political surveillance used by our attorney general, he's signaling he has found something very troubling.
That's a very explosive term to be using.
Okay.
Now, listening closely As you have been doing, I've been doing my own little digging here.
We all have our own little sources that we we we get information from.
Sure.
That to me might actually be the linchpin to all of it.
And it actually would fit because it would go back to your original reporting about surveillance, unmasking, leaking raw intelligence on a level that I don't think in March of 2017 either of us thought we'd get to.
Yeah, when you look at the the smartest people on this, the people that have looked at the classified information that you and I can't see, people like Devin Nunez, they have always suggested that there was an intelligence operation.
It was possible that an intelligence operation preceded the FBI opening its formal case on July 31st, 2016.
That's why there's these questions about the professors, Miss Suit and Halper and other people who are getting involved with uh Carter Page and George Papadopas long before there was an FBI investigation, Alexander Downer.
I think it's that period of time.
I would say February to uh June of 2016 that the Bar Review is digging in on because it's gotten no scrutiny up to this point.
That could be some of the most explosive and interesting information about where people might have been coloring outside the line.
We don't know yet, but there are certainly hints that people were in the intelligence community, private or or government were coloring outside the lines, and that's where I think Bill Barr is gonna finish his investigation in that space of time.
So maybe the Durham Barr report at the end that would be perhaps even the most explosive.
Certainly going to be the most comprehensive and most important because at the end of the day, you want your intelligence community working the right way, not cheating and intervening in an uh in an American election.
Yeah, that would be pretty bad.
And I think it all happened and it's all going to be revealed.
Uh all right, John Solomon, investigative reporter, executive vice president for the Hill.
I know final moments.
Uh I didn't think this was gonna last the full hour, but our friend John Solomon, investigative reporter, executive vice president uh for the Hill.
Okay, so assuming let's go through timelines last thing here.
So we expect maybe Thursday, the comey stuff.
That has to do with the documents we already know about.
Then it's gonna be the the Horowitz Pfizer report, which we expect to be very damning.
And then we might have a separate investigation and report on the leaking, and we might have an even bigger explosive report on the abuse of intelligence spying on Americans, outsourcing intelligence gathering and spying on Americans by our allies.
That matches everything that I'm hearing on the inside.
Now though things can change in these investigations.
Right if a criminal inquiry begins, the Bar Durham report could be delayed until criminal prosecutions occur.
But right now, the sequencing is exactly as you have laid it out, uh, Sean.
That's what I'm hearing from Justice Department officials, from FBI officials and others that I talk to.
Uh, I think the period of September to December will be a very uh uh explosive time of revelation, and and really launch a discussion about what we want our intelligence community to do and what we don't want them to do in future elections.
I suspect one of the big headlines we will get out of this, regardless of prosecutions or anything else, is that there will there will be new rules imposed on the Justice Department, the intelligence community, the FBI about when they get involved with something that comes from a rival campaign, when they get involved into elections.
Those things were clearly missing in the Obama administration.
That blindness led us to two and a half years of wasted investigation.
Uh really great opportunity now to make sure this never happens again.
All right, John Solomon, thanks so much for being with us.
We'll have the latest on all of these developments tonight on Hannity, but we expect that first piece to come out tomorrow.
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All right, there it is.
There is a meltdown.
The head of the Iowa Democratic Party stating publicly they're pretty much every Democrat in Iowa and they want a more establishment Democratic candidate in a full panic over Joe Biden's disastrous weekend.
Now, 3030 is just the tip of the iceberg.
I mean, you're talking about a gaffe machine of, you know, poor kids are just as bright as white kids.
You know, it's the first time ever.
I mean, that you have an African American that's articulate and bright and clean.
Wow, that's storybook, man.
And then, of course, we have him mistakenly saying he was vice president meeting the kids after the Parkland shooting.
Uh, he wasn't vice president in 2018.
We choose truth over facts.
Yeah, we got that one.
You can't go to a Dunkin' Donuts or a 7 Eleven unless you have a slight Indian accent.
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Uh, and it goes on and on and on.
And you have to wonder well, did Joe Biden lose his fastball, or did he even really ever have one?
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I don't know how he did it.
He was once the press secretary for President George W. Bush.
I think the hardest job of anybody in Washington ever to deal with these idiots in the media mob.
How are you?
I'm doing great.
How did you handle that without like one day not on loading on them?
I mean, I I mean, you must have the patience of Joe.
I couldn't do it.
I could not do that job.
Well, you know, Sean Reporters love Republicans, and so it was an easy job.
They were just balls at me all day long.
I would return them.
Yeah, Bush lied and people died.
I know.
Here we go.
Um there we go.
You know, it is funny.
Um, I know that you, even you have said, you know, maybe Donald Trump shouldn't fight back as often as he should.
I don't think people look at the other side of the equation, though.
Um, you know, just look at like yesterday or in the last week.
Uh, he has a plan to exterminate Latinos.
That was said by a host on MBC.
Or, you know, uh on on Crazy Liberal Morning Joe that the administration is openly trying to keep America a majority white country.
Or Julian Castro, they're clearly trying to establish a whiter nation.
And you look at manufactured crisis, manufactured crisis, stormy stormy, racist, racist, Russia, Russia, impeachment, impeachment, and you just see this rage, psychosis, hatred that is every second minute hour of the day.
It's never been this bad.
And yeah, Trump fights back, but nobody talks about how often he gets hit.
Look, I I wrestle with this a lot, Sean, because I think it's the biggest criticism I have heard about Republican style that Trump, thank goodness, fights back, and there's merit to that.
But there's not merit to it every day.
And here's what I'm getting at.
Nobody in politics will ever make the moonies on the left go away.
Trump won't, Bush won't, Trump's successors won't, nobody will.
They'll be out there saying these ridiculous things like Biden said about put y'all back in chains.
It doesn't matter who you are, they'll say it.
The issue to me with the president, though, is does he sometimes fight back well and win the day?
Or does he sometimes fight back so hard by polarizing his opponents, but particularly for suburban college-educated women and people in suburbs?
Republicans are losing those people.
Donald Trump is losing those people.
Can he win an election without those people?
So it's a question of degree, Sean.
I want to fight back.
And I think without his personality, you never have a president who takes on China the way he's doing it.
No smooth talking politician would ever do it.
So there are things about his personality.
But didn't America that also make him effective.
There are also things that can go too far, and it ought to be said.
Listen, I think the people that have gone the furthest over the edge, it's a combination.
They literally are tied at the hip, which would be the media mob that just rages...
You know, uh just uh every single day.
We've had two and a half years of lies, propaganda, conspiracy theories, all proven false.
They still can't let it go.
And then they just move on to the next talking point that happens to be coordinated with the Democratic Party.
But I think the American people knew full well who they were electing.
They were electing an iconic clastic outsider and a disruptor that was gonna take on the whole sewer swamp culture of Washington, and he was gonna break a lot of dishes.
And I think the guy that has kept every promise, tax cuts, cutting and ending burdensome bureaucracy, originalist justices fighting for the wall, making us energy independent, better trade deals.
You know, go down the list.
This guy fought for every one of the promises he made, which I can't, you know, a lot of most politicians don't do that.
They don't fight that hard.
And I think people now are grown accustomed to his style.
I 100% agree with everything you just said.
But here's what we even better.
He does everything you just said without having said about four congressmen go back to the country where you came from and improve those countries before you come and criticize me.
Without the case, well, we're gonna get we gotta get that comment right.
He says, All right, well, you can go back to the country you came from, fix it, and then come back and then come back and show us how.
That's what I just said.
Okay.
But it would have been better if he never said go back to the countries where you dot dot.
It would just would have been better.
Because what happens when you talk like that, you send signals to other people who are immigrants or first generation Americans saying, Am I supposed to go back if I disagree with the president?
Is he targeting me?
It's not just about those four Congressmen.
It's a signals you send to others in society.
Well, hang on.
Are we dealing with a bigger issue though when you talk that the there is a foundation to this of virulent anti-Semitism?
Um what seem like sympathetic comments to radical groups that want to destroy us and Israel.
Um again, this context and texture to everything.
And uh the president has been very clear many, many other times that he wants the wall to stop the 90% of heroin and the cartels and you know the MS 13 types from getting in, but he wants a big door so that immigrants can come in.
And he said that how many times?
All agree with, all agree with.
But my my point is if you're coaching a baseball team and your team hit a bunch of home runs and is doing really good things well, but they made three errors.
You work on those errors during the week, you drill so you don't make the same errors again.
You keep hitting your homers, but you gotta stop making the errors.
I'll concede the point.
Let me concede your point.
I would say that every one of us can learn and do better, and but I don't think it's realistic in in Trump's case, this in to this extent that he's gonna fight all day for what he promised the American people, and he's gonna get hammered the way he gets hammered.
Look, I thought George W. Bush got the crap beat out of him every single day.
And I uh George W. Bush, much to my chagrin, didn't fight back harder.
Uh I know him to be a nice, good, decent man.
Mitt Romney is a nice, good, decent man.
And they still said he was a racist and a misogynist and a horrible person and a false caricature was painted against him.
They did the same thing to a guy they said they liked, John McCain.
John McCain ran for president, John McCain got the crap kicked out of him by the media, and then when he became a little anti-Republican again, he was loved by the people that called him racist and everything in between.
So this is a very predictable pattern that Democrats use.
Used to be every two and four years.
Now it seems like it's every day.
Yeah.
And I don't disagree with anything you said there again.
I'm with you on all of that.
And we're probably a lot closer than it sounds like Sean.
I really do think the difference comes down to finesse.
Hit your homers, be tough, but don't do anything that goes too far.
And I submit to you for every time for every five homers he hits, one time he goes too far.
That's it.
I actually I don't think that's bad advice at all.
I really don't.
I think you're I think what he's doing, and what frustrates me about Republicans is that I'll give you a quick example.
How many votes did we have to repeal and replace Obamacare when they knew that Obama was never going to go along with it and they'd never pass it?
What, 60, 65, 70 votes?
And and the Senate in 2015, they they pass a complete, Clean repeal bill.
Then when it matters, seven of those Republicans, when they had the chance to do it, and Donald Trump would have signed it, seven of those Republicans backed off.
They didn't really mean it.
And what I see is in the Republican Party, I see a lot of weakness.
I don't see the passion to fulfill promises and advance the country and get the job done.
And I see the president out there often alone doing the heavy lift of really trying to implement the conservative policies that Mitt Romney said he stood for, but he didn't win.
And it's frustrating to see the internal fight from people like him.
And you can go on to other issues as well, moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
He's done a lot of things taking that we've all dreamed about that politicians talk about and never do.
And that's one of the reasons I've warmed to President Trump.
It's one of the reasons I recognize that maybe rhetorically he can go too far, but look at his policies.
Look how effective they've been, look how successful they are, and look how tough he has been where we need to be tough.
And I admire that and I like that.
So I think Trump is winning people over, but at the same time, I look at elections as saying you got to win over a majority.
You can't come close.
You can't get 47 or 48%.
You better get 49 or 50 percent or 51%.
And it's right on these margins that you can lose a close election.
And I want him to win.
So I'm not going to be afraid to criticize him when I think he's done something that hurts himself and sends a wrong signal.
And I do recognize he is up against really a democratic media complex.
The degree to which the press goes to minimize and soften what the Democrats do wrong, and then to pounce on the president is fierce.
It's one of the reasons he calls them a fake news.
He's tired of them.
I don't blame him for that.
Uh but if I was on the inside giving him advice, I would try to point out, and it's ineffective.
Nobody can give him advice, I think.
But I would try to say you you gotta just be wise in your criticisms.
You don't have to pulverize your opponents.
You need to beat your opponents.
I'd say it a different way.
I think you're right, and a lot of your your I think I don't even think it's really criticism.
I just think it's stylistic differences.
And I would say we don't need to hear every thought that crosses his head.
Um I think that's probably true of everybody.
Uh we'll take a break more with Ari Fleischer, former press secretary for President George W. Bush, now owning his own consultancy company and doing very, very well.
Quick break, right back, and uh we'll continue.
All right, as we continue, Ari Fleischer is with us, media consultant, political aide.
He was also White House press secretary.
Um I look at this crop of 2020 Democratic hopefuls, and I see the most radical, the most extreme, uh, those that have bought into some version of the new Green Deal, which would to me be a disaster for the country.
And I don't see anybody, I think the hopes had always been on Joe Biden, but we see gaff after gaff.
I think there is a very public reevaluation of whether or not Biden's up to this task.
I don't think he is personally.
David Axelrod hinted he doesn't think so either.
Uh, what are your thoughts on it?
I love campaigns, and this is one reason why.
Because people get to see the American people get to see for themselves what their choices are.
And at the presidential level, you really can't hide.
People see your flaws and your strengths.
And we're seeing a lot of splaws on the Democratic side.
And their flaws begin with their ideas for America.
They are a party that has increasingly moved into an overwhelmingly socialistic, redistribute, give everything out for free direction.
And it's the ruination of America if you go too far down that road, which they're all pushing.
My goodness, they said at the debates and raised their hands that somebody who enters America illegally this morning should get government provided taxpayer paid for health insurance this afternoon.
How bad would that be for America?
So we're seeing their ideas on display, abolish private insurance.
It's the whole socialistic agenda that they've all fallen for, and they're advocating these debates are the best thing to ever happen to Republicans.
Um do you who do you think it ultimately wins then?
Who do you think is the front runner now?
And if you had to make a prediction, who?
Well, I do think Biden will collapse, and then I think it's likely going to be either Sanders, Warren, or Bud Edge.
I I don't rule Him out.
Uh somebody's got to fill the sand the Biden void, which I think is inevitable.
And I don't think anybody can answer that yet because too many future events will define it.
Those are going to be their debates.
But I do know is going back through history.
You know, Republicans, 16 candidates run in 2015-16.
Five of them dropped out in 2015, the year before the election.
So we're going to have a number of Democrats drop out here in 2019.
And then as the field whittles, that's where Biden becomes most vulnerable.
I agree.
All right, Ari Fleischer, as always, appreciate your insight.
Thanks for being with us.
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We have uh Mark Furman at the bottom of the hour.
We'll dig a little deeper into this Epstein, uh, the irregularities, as the attorney general has said, and all that's gone on here and what the FBI's up to.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
We've been monitoring the situation out of uh Philly and uh hoping that we the initial reports were not true.
It turns out in fact they are.
At least four Philly police officers shot.
We now have a massive police presence um in and around the Temple University uh section of Philadelphia.
It's the section, you know, in the nice town section of of uh Philly, according to officials, a massive police response has now descended in the area of North Philly.
At least one of the suspects is in custody.
Numerous reports, we don't want to rush the reporting on this as ever, but uh numerous reports that one of the gunmen may in fact be holed up inside of a nearby building, and the police are acting as if that in fact is the case.
Uh this all happening in the last half hour.
The audio that has been obtained, I heard in one of the reports came in from a panicked officer, and officer calls for everything you've got, SWAT long gun, a law enforcement officer can be heard saying on the audio,
uh officer shot, officer shot, Sky Force 10 was over the scene as an unidentified gunman firing well, what some have reported as hundreds of shots, others firing and local news uh coverage there in Philly saying dozens of shots being fired uh nearly 30 minutes uh into this whole thing, and as uh the police officers then descended on the corner of 15th and Butler Streets in uh downtown Philly.
Uh you can see the officers in crouched positions behind cars blocked off surrounding streets.
And at this point, we just don't know if it's contained yet, but we do know that at least four police officers we can report have in fact been shot.
One report, again, I don't want to get out ahead of this, is that one officer was shot in the head.
You hope I hope and pray that God that's not true.
Um, but that was uh the report from one of the news services that uh that uh is out there.
A lockdown is also in effect at Temple University's health sciences center campus, and the school put out an alert for their students to take shelter in the place.
The story is uh just developing as we speak.
Uh Linda, what are you hearing on your end?
You're talking in my e here, I can't hear you.
Yeah, sorry about that.
So, you know, I'm I'm actually from Philly, as most people know.
You know this area well.
Why don't you describe the area?
Because it it this is some of this area is not a nice part of Philly, and then in other parts there's been a lot of things.
Yeah, this isn't one of them.
Nice town is not a nice area.
Tyoga, it's a tough neighborhood.
There's a lot of drugs, a lot of poverty.
You know, people how far away did you grow up from there?
Uh about 20 minutes.
So it's it's not this is not a good neighborhood.
Um, and I actually did my MBA at Temple University and did my residency about two blocks from here.
So it's it's just not a really good neighborhood, and and I'm assuming, you know, there's usually a large police presence in the area to begin with because they know there's a lot of narcotic activity there.
But the fact that, you know, this many cops have been taken down and they still don't have all of the shooters in place, you know, it's still an ongoing situation.
Um, you know, but we're we're keeping our eyes and ears to the ground.
I know we have Jonathan Gillum on the line who uh also was a police officer and can speak to this a little bit, and I'm gonna keep doing some.
I got one reporter, a friend of mine that lives in Philly literally saying that people reported hearing over a hundred shots being fired in that area.
Uh Jonathan Gillam, I'm looking at the images now.
I mean, it looks like the entire Philly police force is now descended on this area, uh, but we can confirm, in fact, four Philly police officers have been shot, and we do believe at this moment there's still one person, one of the shooters missing.
If I can jump in for one second, it's actually five officers.
It's now five police officers.
Five police officers, yeah.
Um, and uh you want to and you have to wonder off the top of your head, Jonathan Gillum, if in fact this is an ambush.
It could be.
You know, a lot of these uh neighborhoods where these drug uh dealers live and and uh drug trafficking is pretty heavy.
Uh they they have believe it or not, these bad guys have uh tactical plans in place, and they have a lot of people that they can call on.
And I'm not, you know, we're still not exactly sure what it is, but just going off of the neighborhood, the way it's been described, the crime rate there and the type of crimes that are there.
I think we can rule out terrorism as probably the the fact of what's going on.
This is probably a domestic issue, or uh that had to do with drugs or something that blew up, or it's a lot of people.
Well, let me just add, we we're now being told officially this is an ongoing incident.
It is not it is not under control at the moment.
Uh five officers now issued and it's ongoing.
Witness heard so many gunshots, others describing it, well over a hundred shots uh heard fired.
Yeah, and in this type of situation, what's happening is we are going to be hitting this.
Uh this is not typically something that law enforcement uh is involved with is this type of an overwhelming res response from a bad person or bad people.
So uh they're going to be hitting this in a fluid situation.
I'm sure tactical units are there, and they're gonna have to start using what's called a blocking force, which they call in the military law enforcement, they may call it different things, where they're gonna try to cordon the area off where this is happening so that they can isolate that to that area.
And that's the first thing that they probably want to do is make sure that whoever these people are don't get out of that area so that they can contain the firefight to that area.
And so I would imagine that's happening simultaneously with the tactical units getting ready to engage if they're not engaged.
We're getting a little more information.
The shooting began after police responded to narcotics activity as we were talking about.
Stay right there, Jonathan Gillam, former Lieutenant Commander of the MYP counterterrorism unit, Bill McGrawy.
Uh, that gives us a little piece of the puzzle, but whenever you hear that number of police officers shot, it sounds like either the type of raid that we're talking about or an ambush of some kind, or the type of activity.
If it was a narcotics bust, uh it seems to have gone awry very quickly, uh, Bill McGraw.
Yeah.
Yes, John.
You know what, you know what jumps to my head sometimes.
Uh they they they set up offices in an ambush, you know.
They'll call in a drug sale man with a gun, they wait for the cops to show up, and next thing you know, they're being ambushed.
And as Jonathan said, you know, they're trying to set up and coordinate right now and try to locate those guys.
And it's a it's a it's a shame because this is the second incident with a cops in the last what week.
It's it's it's unbelievable.
We also saw what happened in Philly.
I went through a great detail, all the rhetoric that has been used against ICE officers.
We had the the San Antonio late at night, they were shooting into one of the the ICE offices down there.
Uh we've had a number of these incidents.
We had the case in Washington, DC, where you had these devices that were sent into the Washington office in Tacoma.
Uh that guy ended up being shot.
He was hurling these uh throwing these uh devices, throwing them into a Washington State Immigration Detention Center.
We had another incident in May of 2018, and the rhetoric has been so far over the top.
Um, you know, we have uh Congressman Gutierrez calling ICE agents Gestapo.
We have liberal websites calling ICE the American Gestapo, we're calling detention centers that have beds and cots and blankets and medical care and soccer fields and wreck facilities and TVs and phones and baby formula doctors and diapers were comparing them to uh Auschwitz and concentration camps.
The rhetoric against police have gotten so far out of control.
Um I don't know if it's the what's involved here.
It sounds like this is a bust that has gone very, very badly or an ambush.
We don't know.
Yes, and people and and you because of the left's rhetoric, and I hate to put politics into it, but we have to call it what it is, right?
Look, You look at the presidential debate.
What was said on the presidential debate?
Cops are bad, and we want to release criminals.
So you have this sentiment that you could do whatever you want, the cops.
Don't worry about it.
They're the enemy, they're the bad guys, throw water on them, ambush them, shoot them, whatever it is.
And this is the sentiment that's going on in the United States.
Yeah, let me go to we have some of the audio now that has uh been picked up.
Uh, and I want to play this for our audience here.
If you're just joining us, we have now five police officers confirmed shot in what it was an apparent narcotics raid that went badly.
Here is some of the audio uh on the radio, police radio scanners uh in Philly.
I heard so many gun shots that it was I got scared, and I lifted my window up to see what was going on, and I left out of the house because I was scared.
Did you how many gunshots did you hear?
Over a hundred.
Over a hundred gunshots.
Did you see people running?
They were running here, they were scurrying, they were afraid.
Over there where they are uh they have them held up is a playground with children play.
Terrible.
How do you feel about this happening here?
Four officers we know.
You're scared?
I'm scared.
All right.
Now, what we know at this time that the Temple University Health Sciences Center campus, it's in and around this area.
Fox 29 Philly is in lockdown.
The shooting began after police responding to a narcotics activity that was going on.
Probably a lot of tra a lot of money, a lot of drugs involved here.
Uh, as you just heard some of the witnesses saying over a hundred shots have been fired.
We now can confirm five police officers shot in the area around this part of Temple University.
It's called Nice Town, the section of uh Philly, this part of the town was uh where this all went went down.
Uh we have a massive police presence, and what we're told is this is active and ongoing.
In other words, I believe one person has been taken into custody, and they suspect that there is there are others involved that are hunkered down inside at least one of the buildings surrounding the area, but we don't have any confirmation.
But the police are acting at as though that is in fact the case.
As of right now, we have two of the officers were taken to Temple University.
One of the officers went to Einstein, which are the two local hospitals there, they're both great hospitals, and two of the other officers have been transported, but it's not being reported where they are.
Mayor Jim Kenney and the police commissioner Richard Ross are also both heading to Temple University.
Um the Philly helicopter over uh the scene could be seen taking one man into custody, but we're not sure what that person's role was in the incident, and it happened on the uh 3700 block of North 15th Street.
So it looks like um the police captain is on the sign Kimbrew, he's there, and all of the police officers are now uh sheltering and telling people to shelter in place, as well as what you mentioned about the Health and Science Senator being in lockdown as well.
One witness called it like a scene you would see in war, Jonathan Gillam.
Uh, if it's a narcotics raid of some kind, probably high dollars if you're talking about the type of weaponry and the type of criminal activity that would bring it to this level, right?
It could be, yeah, probably most likely so.
And I'll tell you one thing that's that people need to understand about this that are in and around that area is that this type of a situation, once they get these guys, and of course they probably know who they are because that's who they were targeting.
Once they have them locked down, it's different than a terrorism type of incident where they must keep pushing forward because they know people are going to be killed.
In this situation, if there's no hostages, the police can uh stand back, lock the area down, and that's where they negotiators still work because now they can just wait the guys out and not take any chances on losing life.
And I I do want to say one thing, I heard you know, the the people that were the witnesses that were talking there a minute ago.
If you ever find yourself in a shootout, which most people never will, if you're outside and you can find an indention in the ground that's eighteen inches or deeper, your survivability rate goes up fifty percent because of the way bullets travel, and people should always remember that if they ever hear bullets going off and you're outside.
If you get away, flee, but if you're caught in it, try to find some invention in the ground to get down into it.
The Temple University Health and Science Center campus is on lockdown.
That is the exact area where this took place.
Some witnesses saying over a hundred shots have been fired.
Police are telling everybody that this is an active and ongoing situation.
And uh basically what looks like the entire Philadelphia police force is on the scene now.
Five police officers confirmed shot, like a scene you would see in a war, one witness saying, and the shooting beginning after police responding to narcotics activity.
Uh not known.
Well, an area that it happens to be known for a lot of uh drugs and violence and crime, unfortunately, one of the cities that we need to get cleaned up in this country that we talk so often about, but the situation again is active and ongoing.
Um I'm looking at at the scene right now, and I could tell you that there are at least what look like a hundred police cars surrounding this one particular area.
Now, we're also being told is that people are being told not to leave their homes, that there is an active fire fight actually ongoing.
That just that just crossed the wires as we speak.
And so it's an active shooting situation if you're in and around this part of Philly.
Uh please take the proper precautions and shelter and let the police do their job.
This is what they are trained to do.
And their presence is heavy.
You can see the way they're cordoned off.
Let me just paint a picture here for you.
That the way that they're cordoned off is you can see that they're hiding specifically behind certain areas and a certain block, so that would probably mean that they are aware of where the likely well shooter is there.
Bernie Kerrick is with us, former MYPD commissioner.
Uh, Commission, uh, I know you've lived through a lot of bad times.
Five cops shot, pretty scary.
It's active, it's ongoing.
More shots being heard even as we speak, according to live reports that are coming in.
Over a hundred shots fired.
Um a narcotics bust apparently gone bad.
What can you tell us?
Well, I think what they're gonna have to do and and what they're doing now, you'll see them stabilizing a certain area.
Um they want to identify where the shooter is, where the gunshots are coming from, um, take care of the injured, um, and then get anybody else out of the way.
You know, one when you have one of these things, Sean, the k the key thing is take care of everybody as it stands right now, but then you know, you're gonna probably try to wait this guy out unless you can make him pop his head out and take him out in the process.
That's probably gonna be unlikely.
So we might be in a a standoff situation for quite a period of time.
Walk us through what normal procedures would be, at least when you were running the MYPD uh uh from your perspective as commissioner.
You know what?
In in this time, in the aftermath of 9-11, even the everyday average patrolman uh are trained for active shooter scenarios where they're gonna go and they're gonna go first.
Uh, you know, historically you would wait for a SWAT team or a special operations unit.
That's no longer the case, which is why you see a bunch of these, you know, the everyday sector car patrolmen, so to speak, up front.
Um now you'll have special operations come in.
They'll put up drones, they'll put up the, you know, they'll start collecting camera information from the surrounding area, um, and they'll identify where this person is uh or people, depending on how many.
Um, and then you work on getting to them.
Uh but the but the first and foremost is get the injured cops out of there.
Anyone else that's in the way, get them out of there as well.
We're seeing images now of uh emergency response teams, literally, an ambulances racing out of the area.
Uh assumedly they are taking them to the hospital as we speak.
Stay right there, Commissioner Carrick.
Uh, we have more audio from some of the witnesses.
Let's listen to what they say they heard.
And so we'll make the one-on-one in your priorities.
South fired at police inside the property.
Inside the property.
This means North.
Right now.
You can hear commission, you can hear the the gunshots in the background there.
Reports of over a hundred shots fired.
So this was this sounds like a shootout in the middle of this uh apparent narcotics investigation raid, whatever was going on.
Do you think it is there any chance this was an ambush?
I don't know if it was an ambush, but you know, the normal narcotics rate, You may have a guy, you know, fire at the cops as they're trying to do an entry or something like that.
Somebody doing a hundred rounds, Sean.
This is somebody that was sitting and waiting.
This is somebody that had, you know, a stockpile of ammo and weapons, perhaps.
Um, you know, somebody that may have anticipated the cops coming uh, you know, to their door.
Um that's not the norm in in a drug uh you know bust scenario, so to speak.
So it's going to be interesting to find out what happened later.
Um, but for now, uh, get those injured cops out of the house.
Here's what we know though else get shot.
We know the shooting began after police responded to narcotics activity.
Police are confirming that this situation remains active and ongoing, which means that one of the shooters at least is at large.
Uh if somebody holes up inside a uh a building, and maybe even that building has food, water, or supplies of some kind, there's no telling how long a standoff like that could go on for, true.
And Sean, let me jump in for one second.
The shots were being fired from inside of a house on that street.
So they were firing from a window at the cops.
Right, as the cops were pulling up.
So, Commission, I ask you again, you know, the that would mean how long does this go on for?
Well, listen, it's gonna go on until they can get the person out of there.
What the the the primary thing right now is to make sure nobody else nobody else gets hurt on the outside.
So they need to secure down the area.
They need to evacuate the houses next to that.
They need to create uh a uh a secure zone to make sure the guy doesn't or people don't escape, uh, can't get out of there and and disappear into the uh into the night.
Um so that's what they're gonna be working on.
Um but if it's coming out of a house, this is this could be a group, Sean.
You know, they were doing a narcotics arrest.
This could be a group that anticipate, you know, in in the drug rivalry arena in the cartels, you know, they're always uh stocked up with ammunition and guns, anticipating a rip, anticipating, you know, another drug.
Let me let me add a couple of other things that are just coming through.
Uh well, this didn't take long.
Kamala Harris suggesting her 2020 gun control policies would have stopped the shooting that took place in Philly today.
I mean, uh it really it's still ongoing.
Can somebody inform the presidential candidate this is still ongoing?
What we're also hearing is we're getting a little bit more details.
A suspect, again, narcotics related, in a home shooting uh in the upper floors, two cops with two suspects already restrained and trapped in the upper floors.
So this might even be worse than initially thought.
Maybe the main reason why the police are telling us the situation is active and ongoing.
Three suspects restrained also appears to be shooting at cops who are outside the home from inside the home.
So there's things going on inside and outside, and we don't have any clue at this moment what what's going on inside the area where and the home in particular that is now cordoned off by the police.
Um this could be this could be lasting quite a while, Commission.
It could be lasting quite a while, and the guys inside are gonna be extremely important with regard to intel, feeding the people outside what's in there, you know, what's in the house, where the uh where the adversary is, where you know, special agents from the ATF are on the scene.
If it is a police hostage situation, is that a possibility, Commission?
It could be.
Um, you know, look, uh everything is speculation at this point.
But when you have two officers in the house with other suspects and they can't get out, that's a major, major problem.
So you'll have ATF, you're gonna have the FBI show up.
Um, it's gonna be uh a major problem.
And who knows how long it's gonna go.
Yeah, unbelievable.
If you're just joining us, by the way, witnesses hearing over a hundred gunshots.
Uh we have some of them that we just played on tape moments ago.
It's in and around the the Temple University Science Center, which is on lockdown.
It's active and ongoing, and reports that at least one of the shooters is inside and it's going on as we speak.
This all in response to police responding to a narcotics traffic uh narcotics deal that is was going on in particular at the time in this particular home.
Um a number of suspects were now being told are involved in all of this.
Some are in custody, but some are at large.
And several officers injured, active and ongoing.
Our thoughts and prayers are with the city of Philly, these families, these policemen, and these brave nurses and doctors, may they do their best work.
