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It is going to be one of those news days, and there is a lot to get to, and a lot happening, and uh we're gonna break it all down for you.
Uh the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, uh, is going to be with us for the full hour coming up in the program later today.
Um, and he released a letter.
It is it is amazing to watch, and you're gonna see a media meltdown and a coordinated assault because the media that has lied, the Democrats that have lied,
those that have advanced with hysteria and anonymous sources and breathless reporting and lies for two and a half years, as all of the information that is now about to come cascading down upon them, and we're getting more and more every day.
They are not going to be able to handle the pressure of what's going to happen.
And it is just attorney General Barr mentioning that, yes, confirming that the Obama administration did spy on the Trump campaign, is sending people over the edge.
And then when you add to that, Barr saying he has formed a team to review the FBI.
This isn't gonna be against rank and file FBI guys, but a team of FBI officials to look at the decisions that were made all throughout these investigations throughout the summer, the probe of the Trump campaign, what led up to it, et cetera, and the Justice Department.
Um their world because they have been wrong on a level that has never been seen in media history.
They had an opportunity to cover the biggest abuse of power scandal in their lifetime, and they preferred to remain in their bubble of hate and rage and tinfoil hat conspiracies in the hopes that they could eliminate Donald Trump and have him impeached.
And now the boomerang is happened.
Uh we'll get to all of that.
I'm gonna get back to this letter in a second.
I'm gonna get back to what is coming in a second.
Also, you saw earlier today, Julian Assange was taken out of the Ecuadorian embassy and uh apparently has been charged with a conspiracy.
There's going to be extradition battles, I assume, going on with his lawyers, etc.
Um, under arrest, facing extradition to the U.S. for a conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for agreeing to assist Chelsea Manning.
Remember, it was Obama that pardoned Chelsea Manning and hacking a Department of Defense computer.
The Department of Justice released the following on Assange.
The indictment alleges that in March of 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network, a U.S. government network used for classified documents communications.
Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with her duties as uh an intelligence analyst at the time, was using computers download uh classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that was not in their possession, rightly, and in their possession.
Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the disclosures.
Um, you know, that's what it basically is.
Um it is interesting to watch the reactions to all of this.
Ecuador's former president, Rafael Carrera, uh blasted his successor, Lennon Moreno, as a traitor for allowing the arrest of Julian Assange, quote, the greatest traitor in Ecuadorian and Latin American history.
Uh uh Moreno was uh allowed the British police to enter our embassy in London to arrest Assange.
Moreno's a corrupt man, but what he has done is a crime that humanity will never forget.
And anyway, the arrest was released as a video of it.
Uh Glenn Greenwald is raged against this and is battling journalists.
It is the criminalization of journalism.
Everybody's gonna have to make up their own decision on Julian Assange, et cetera, et cetera.
And what happened?
Let me just raise one sidebar issue before we get into some of the issues involved here, because it does raise a lot of questions because let's take, for example, the WikiLeaks publication of the DNC hack emails.
And I asked Julian Assange this.
Well, remember, we went, we took the time, we flew to London, we went to the Ecuadorian embassy.
By the way, it is an amazing, you know, it if you would think that maybe this is uh he lived in like 300 square feet.
You know, basically the equivalent of a you know, small, maybe one bedroom apartment.
Nothing extravagant.
Stayed there, obviously, because he had strong feelings about his work.
And remember, the original reason that he went there went away as it related to allegations and charges that were brought against him.
This is seven years.
You know, but those allegations went away, and then it was became an issue of what the United States was going to do.
So, but here's the question because first let me let me let me play.
I I dug in pretty deep on the issue of did you get this from Russia, Russia's sources?
And here's his question and an answer that was on Hannity.
Russia, give you this information or anybody associated with Russia.
Uh our source is not a state party.
Sorry.
Uh the answer for our interactions is no.
You did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta's emails.
Can you tell the American people a thousand percent you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?
We we can say we have said uh repeatedly uh over the last two months uh that our source uh is not the Russian government, uh, and it is not a state party.
Now remember, this is where I think Greenwald has actually touched on an issue that nobody would dare touch.
I have always wondered, always, I thought, okay, so they're investigating where the hack came.
Look, Devin Nunes will join us later.
He warned us all that the hostile regime, Russia, they're hostile.
They have a history of interfering or trying to interfere or create chaos in elections.
He warned in 2014 they would do it in 2016.
Nobody in the Obama administration gave a rip.
Remember, this all happened in the Obama years.
And they have done this to other countries.
And it's fascinating how Ukraine has been desperately trying.
They have admitted that they did interfere in the 2016 elections.
Don Solomon's investigative reporting has been telling us, and they desperately want to give us the evidence of it.
Which would mean I again is it's sort of like liberals only care about you know, issues of me too or sexual harassment if they can bludgeon a Trump Supreme Court nominee.
But they're they're stone cold silent when there are significant real serious allegations of rape and violent sexual assault by a Democrat, the lieutenant governor of Virginia.
They don't care about the issue.
They only care if they can use the issue.
Do they care about America's security?
And I think this is a very key question.
And those countries that work to influence our elections, they care about it.
I care about it.
I talked about yesterday.
You want to beat Putin, I know how to beat Putin.
You want to run Russia and make it an insignificant country, but for the nuclear weapons they have.
put that aside for a second, although you really can't.
We just got to up our production.
We have more energy resources, the lifeblood of every economy than everybody else.
How ironic we're talking about eliminating gas and oil when we are now for the first time in 70, 75 years, the number one producer of oil and natural gas.
We figure out a way to take care of our friends in Western Europe at the right price.
Guess what?
Putin's out of business.
That is the entire economy is based on it.
And it would render though that those bad actors insignificant.
But what Greenwald is interesting, I've I've never understood.
If they wanted to get a feel about Russia's influence in the investigation in the election or chaos production in the election, uh, why did they never go and ask Assange?
Now I would have thought that he probably, guessing, he probably, whoever, wherever he got this information from, doesn't it make sense to think that he probably has some forensic footprint of where it all came from.
Now, I do talk to intelligence people.
Most of them seem convinced it was a Russia or Russia connected source for Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.
He denies it adamantly, asked him again and again in that interview, and then it raises this question.
You know, remember the well, the New York Times ended up printing all those emails, and the Washington Post printed all those emails.
You can't forget the history of the Pentagon Papers.
I mean, you know, it was given a top secret Department of Defense study of U.S. political military involvement in Vietnam from 1945 to 1967.
And if you look at the history of it, the Vietnam War is dragging on.
More than 500,000 U.S. troops in Vietnam by 1968.
You have military analyst Daniel Ellsberg worked on the study.
He came to oppose the war, decided that the information contained in the Pentagon Papers, top secret, should be made available to the American public, and he photocopied the report in March of 71 and gave it to the New York Times.
Stolen military documents, almost identical to the whole Assange issue with Chelsea Manning.
And the New York Times published it in a series of scathing articles based on the report's most damning secrets.
And it was, you remember, this all started in 67 at the request of then U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
And you have this team of analysts working for the Department of Defense, preparing a highly classified document and a study about our involvement in Vietnam from the end of World War II to present day.
They're called the Pentagon Papers.
That's the official report of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Vietnam Task Force, later becoming famous as the Pentagon Papers.
Anyway, contained 3,000 pages, narrow 3,000 page narrative along with 4,000 pages of supported documents.
It was finished in 69.
It's fed to the New York Times in 71.
And Ellsberg changes his opinion.
So it becomes a big Supreme Court case after the Times publishes the front page articles based on the information contained in the Pentagon papers.
Anyway, then the after the third article, the Department of Justice got a temporary restraining order against further publication of the material, arguing it was detrimental to U.S. national security.
Anyway, and then in the famous case, New York Times versus the U.S. and the Washington Post, they joined forces to fight for the right to publish.
Now think about that.
If it's again the charges about Chelsea Manning, tell me what the difference is here.
I mean, I think in that sense, Glenn Greenwald is right.
If it's about journalism, if it's about getting information, well, if the information is true, now think about this.
If WikiLeaks publishes it, and it's copied and pasted like most media do this all the time.
You don't even know it.
They just don't even give uh attribution half the time.
But if uh if this case, the impact of that decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, I'll get into it in a second here.
Why wouldn't that apply in this case?
And I've never understood.
If you want to know if he got it from Russia, why didn't you you're doing an investigation this deep this long?
Why did nobody look for that forensic footprint?
The only person that tried, to my knowledge, was Dana Rohrbacher.
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All right, so you have the confidential what's becomes known as the Pentagon Papers.
Then you have the lawsuit that ensues with all the information, the New York Times versus the United States v U.S. Uh, after they published a series of front page articles, the U.S. Justice Department gets a temporary restraining order against further publication.
Now, by the way, I mean, let me stop and say one thing.
The fact this this country better wake up.
And I mean this, and they better recognize, and New Kingrich touched on this on radio the other day, that if we don't start defending ourselves against these cyber attack whatsoever, there comes a point where it's shame on you, shame on you, shame.
No, it's shame on us.
This has been going on way too long.
Where are the defenses?
That's what made Hillary's email server with top secret classified special access program information, likely hacked or told by six foreign countries.
What?
North Korea, Russia, Iran, uh, you know, China.
Come on.
It's not brain surgery.
And it is we have got to take this seriously.
It is part of our national security and the defense of our country.
And these and it and we are compromising potentially.
Look at the testimony that was released this week when it was discovered that Hillary had the classified emails.
I'm like our our entire foreign policy relationships go up in smoke as a result.
Sources and methods are put in in danger.
That means lives are put in danger.
At some point, we gotta say this is a top national security priority.
All right, 25 till the top of the hour.
Devin Nunes for the full hour of you just joining us.
He has now sent a letter to the Attorney General uh Barr uh saying that uh for more than two years, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence conducted a wide-ranging investigation into the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
As part of that investigation, Committee Republicans identified several potential violations of law.
Given the sensitivities surrounding the matter, I will have my staff contact the department arrange a time for Representative John Ratcliffe and me to brief you directly on the eight criminal referrals.
I appreciate your consideration in this matter.
He'll join us at the top of the next hour.
Uh, Congressman, I know um what's his name?
Uh Congressman uh Meadows from uh North Carolina said uh there's gonna be more.
Now we also have today the Obama White House counsel, Greg Craig, Gregory Craig.
He has now been charged by federal prosecutors on two separate issues.
One having to do with being indicted on charges of lying and hiding information related to his work for Ukraine, and two charged by the Justice Department's foreign Agents Registration Act or FARA.
Remember, this is a law that was rarely used until Manafort.
And it was all brought up again during this whole Russia thing.
And the foreign agents registration act, or Farr, as they call it, and faces five years in prison for each of the charges.
Now, what this is just interesting.
Interesting in as much as we've had up to now a two-tier justice system.
Interesting because we've not had equal justice under the law.
Equal application of our laws.
Interesting that you watch a meltdown, and it's going to get louder and more extreme as the news media now begins to understand the that they have been wrong on a spectacular level.
That they've missed the biggest abuse of power corruption scandal in American history.
And with the information that I know is coming, that I know some of you have been impatient.
When, Hannity?
When?
And what's what's going to happen?
I don't, I look, we've been unpeeling the layers of this onion with this ensemble cast on radio and TV now for over two years.
The media, the Democrats have been pushing nothing but lies and tinfoil hat conspiracy theories for two and a half years.
Because four separate investigations have now shown there's no evidence of any Trump Russia collusion.
The FBI nine-month investigation, Page and Struck, nope, no there, there.
Lisa Page, we didn't have anything before Muller took this over.
We've been digging for nine months.
Began in July of 2016.
Muller was appointed in May of 2017.
They didn't find anything.
Not a single thing.
But not only are the criminal referrals coming out, and likely more than the eight that Devin Nunes talks about today, and he'll join us at the top of the hour.
But now there is a full freakout happening within the deep state.
Those people that abused their power.
You know, those people that helped Hillary get elected and rigged an investigation, those people that were responsible for a fraud committed against the Pfizer court, those responsible for violating the constitutional rights of Carter Page, those that were involved in spying on the Trump campaign.
You know, then we're going to get on top of the bar investigation, which I believe once it begins will be exhaustive.
If we care about truth and we care about laws and we care about the weaponry of intelligence not being turned on the American people, we better get to the bottom of it.
Or else there will be coups that happen in this country by people that think that they know better than we, the people who ought to be president.
The people that refer to us as the smelly Walmart people or irredeemable deplorables or you know, bitter Americans clinging to their God, their guns, their Bibles, their religion.
Those that support Donald Trump that like the success of Donald Trump, that see America thriving on the world stage with strength again, etc.
But after that, you're gonna get the bar investigation, the Horowitz report, the Hoover report, more of this testimony.
I mean, it has been so enlightening the last couple of weeks, thanks to Congressman Doug Collins of Georgia and all that we learned this week with the testimony, no, the fact that the general counsel, the FBI, yeah, they tested four 40 emails of Hillary's, just 40.
And they found four labeled, classified, top secret that she had on that late on that hard drive.
Clearly, that met the standard of gross negligence.
Never and you want to meet the standard, all these people hoping they get a sentence out of the Mueller report about obstruction of justice, which by the way, it took seconds for Rod Rosenstein and Attorney General Barr to say, well, they don't have the it doesn't rise to the level, but they'll cling to that, but they'll ignore subpoenaed emails, 33,000 deleted emails.
We now know the actual date, the date when it happened.
And in other words, the the acid wash of the hard drive.
We we know when that happened, and nobody seems to care in the media.
It's just like they Don't care about the issue of women and sexual assault unless it's a Republican, they can bludgeon.
Otherwise, all the I believers would be out there believing the women that claim that they were raped and violently assaulted by the lieutenant governor of Virginia.
You know, there are this clear evidence.
Barr is right.
We have gone over this exhaustively.
When they got, when they went before, remember Bruce Orr's testimony, thanks to Congressman Collins, Nelior's testimony, Bruce Orr testifying behind closed doors.
He warned everybody in the FBI, Upper Echelon, DOJ, warned them all that in fact the dossier was Clinton paid for, but put together after funnel money to a law firm, to an op research firm, to a former MI6 foreign national by the name of Christopher Steele, that nobody verified it.
We now know it's unverifiable because under an interrogatory, Christopher Steele himself, he acknowledges he doesn't know if any of the dossier is true, but it was the quote, bulk of information, according to the Grassley Graham Nunes memos of the application to get a Pfizer warrant to deny Carter Page's constitutional rights.
They committed a fraud on the court, and they used bought and paid for Russian lies to do it.
How ironically.
You know, all of this.
Well, Barr has gone off the rails.
Well, wait till all this other information comes out.
They have no idea how hard they're gonna get hit with truth that we have been revealing for two years plus on this program and on TV.
When those FISA applications come out, Americans will see for themselves what we've been telling you.
Gang of eight materials, the FBI acknowledging.
Uh, yeah, we really messed this up.
Wait till you see their own acknowledgments of such the 302s, you know, the conversations with Orr, Steele, and others.
You know, now we've got Ukraine.
Ukraine is begging to give us evidence that they interfered in the 2016 election.
But because it favored Hillary, they don't want to go there.
You know, it's when you look, it's the spying that occurred.
The evidence is overwhelming.
It is incontrovertible.
What do you think?
Why did why would career people put that didn't want Trump elected put their everything on the line?
Number one, they thought Hillary was going to win.
Everything's predicated on that.
Number two, they wanted to have an insurance policy just in case they lost.
So you you go before a Pfizer court, look at the first Pfizer warrant.
You don't put bold letters Hillary paid for this.
Just that asterisk might have a slight political taint to it.
Okay.
But if you said, you know, you have to testify that it is true to the best of your knowledge.
But we now know the dossier's been debunked most of it.
And secondly, we know that the dossier was a bunch of Russian lies put together by a guy that hates Trump and continue to try and influence even the special counsel's office using Bruce Orr as a conduit.
They missed all of this because they don't care.
It was to bludgeon.
It was political.
They were they were motivated by rage and hatred, both the media and Democrats.
They can't even stop, even though we have four separate, you know, the FBI nine-month investigation, the House Intel Committee investigation, the bipartisan Senate Intel Committee investigation, and now the Muller report, no collusion.
You know, but there's Adam Schiff, the one guy caught on tape colluding with Russians, thinking he can get dirt so he can influence the elections.
You know, uh what is the nature of the compromising materials?
Uh then the big says uh naked Trump, naked Trump.
Does Vladimir know?
Yeah, but Vladimir Kosts, you know, is uh Butchabah, uh he knows it all, he's seen it all.
Can you get him to us?
He's the only one.
But the fact that they would commit a fraud against the court, deny Carter Page his constitutional rights, wiretap him, get a backdoor through every computer, all into the past, and right into the Trump campaign.
Everything is for grabs at that point.
Never mind the fact, and it goes deeper than that.
Uh, is a great piece that was put out by Byron York.
Headline pretty much says it all.
Barr is right, spying did occur on the Trump campaign.
And he reminds us, Stefan Halper, the FBI engaged him as an informant.
New York Times reported, agents involved in the Russian investigations, asked Halper, an American academic teaching in Great Britain to gather information on Paige and Papadopoulos, another Trump campaign foreign policy advisor.
Halper went beyond Page and Papadopoulos, also seeking information from Trump campaign aide Sam Clovis.
Wasn't clear whether Halper and the FBI's had the FBI's blessing to do Clovis.
The Halper case is more evidence that spying occurred.
Of course it did.
Then of course, the insurance policy, you know, we haven't even touched the rigged investigation part of this.
And that is, we learned through all of these closed door testimonies.
Yeah.
Well, number one, the James Baker thought Hillary should be indicted.
He was talked out of it by everyone else that loved Hillary.
Okay, then what happened there?
What happened with the investigation?
Okay, it began, you know, uh midterm exam.
But what do we know?
They were writing an exoneration of May of 2016 before her ex before she's interviewed or 17 other people are interviewed.
She's allowed to bring two other people into the interview with the FBI.
The interviewer is Peter Strzok, the guy that says Hillary needs to win 100 million a zero.
I can smell the Trump Walmart voters, Peter Strzok said.
And we know, in fact, that 18 USC, once they identified top secret classified information on that mom and pop shop bathroom closet, that's the law.
It is clear she violated it.
18 USC 793.
And what do you think?
You want obstruction?
These people don't care about obstruction.
Just take like they don't care about the women stories or believe the women against the lieutenant governor of Virginia.
Because it's not, it doesn't benefit their political narrative.
Yeah, when you delete 33,000 subpoenaed emails, and then you have, we know the date of the hard drive being acid washed now.
Yeah, well, sure.
And then bust up devices, remove SIM cards.
It all comes together.
Now that has to, if we have equal justice under the law, equal application under the law, that all has to happen immediately.
And that's what they're all afraid of, because they've all been wrong.
Back to this Assange thing for just a second.
So the Pentagon Papers, anyway, is a task force at the request of then defense secretary Robert McNamara.
47 volumes, 3,000 pages, 4,000 pages of supporting documents.
Anyway, Daniel Ellsberg served in the Marines.
And anyway, he ends up giving it to the New York Times after he concluded, you know what, this wasn't the right war to fight.
After three reports, the New York Times is sued by the U.S. government.
And uh, you know, the now referred to as the Pentagon Papers.
And this happened after the third article was reported.
And anyway, they joined forces with the Washington Post for the right to publish June 30th.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that the government had failed to prove harm to national security, and the publication of the papers was justified under the First Amendment's protection of the freedom of the press.
Now the impact of that is dramatic.
Okay, so the charges against Julian Assange have to do with his work with Chelsea Manning, who's already been pardoned by Barack Obama.
I think Greenwald is on to something here as well as like the press doesn't care because that hurt Democrats.
It's political.
Okay, but looks like there's a precedence here.
The question is, why didn't they ever looking into if they think all this came from Russia?
Why didn't they ever go to the Ecuadorian embassy and talk to Assange?
From what we know, they never did that.
Maybe they didn't want the forensics.
My sources say, yeah, probably it was connected in Russia to some way.
Maybe a third party, some outlet, whatever.
I have other people, smart, smart people telling me nope.
Might have come from a couple of sources.
Some of them might have even been Bernie supporters.
Who knows?
I don't know the answer to that.
I only know the answer he gave me.
But I wonder, I would assume, based on the past actions of WikiLeaks and Assange, that there's probably I don't think everything he owned is in the Ecuadorian embassy at that point.
A lot of people would come and go, like Pam Anderson, for example.
My guess would be I'd be interested to find out what they know.
What the forensic show?
Where did it come from?
And I think it should have been asked if we really cared about it, just like we should ask Ukraine for the evidence that they have that they helped Hillary Clinton in 2016.
All right, Devin Nunes in the next hour.
You know, uh, we got to take want to take a break, or you want me to tell them about your condo that you never go to.
Take a break, boss.
Take a break.
All right.
Quick break, right back.
We'll continue.
Uh Devin Nunes at the top of the next hour, big news day, and of course, Greg Craig now, the White House counsel of Obama.
Well, he's been federal charges against him, the Farah Act and hiding information as work related to the Ukraine again.
On the first one is FISA abuse and other matters.
We believe there was a conspiracy to lie to the Pfizer court, mislead the FISA court uh by numerous individuals that all need to be investigated and looked at.
Uh, that uh and we believe the statute is is the conspiracy statute.
The second conspiracy one is uh involving manipulation of intelligence.
Uh that also could ensnarl uh many Americans.
And we are so that's kind of the second one.
Uh as you know, we've had a lot of concerns with the way intelligence was used.
Uh so that that would be uh kind of the two conspiracy uh recommendations, referrals that were that we're making.
The third uh is what I would call a global leak uh referral.
So there are about a dozen highly sensified, highly sensitive classified information leaks that were given to only a few reporters over the last two and a half plus years.
So, you know, we don't know if there's actually been any leak investigations that have been opened, uh, but we do believe that we've got pretty good information and a pretty good idea of who could be behind these leaks.
Uh doesn't mean we know all the people that are behind the leaks, because you know, when you read these, a lot of these they're always anonymous sources, uh, and they always say something to the effect of current and and former senior uh officials.
So we think we've got a pretty good idea of of who some of the sources are behind this these leaks.
Uh, we don't know if the Department of Justice has been looking at these, but you know, there's just been unprecedented things have happened.
But first tell us how many people is this capturing.
Can you give us any names on this list in terms of your referrals?
Well, I'm I'm not prepared to give any names, but I think most people that have followed uh Russia Gate uh for a long time, they know a lot of the names.
But there's five that are straight up, five names.
Uh, then there are when you when you get to the leaks, we don't know.
We think there's only a few people behind these leaks, but there could be multiple people.
So on the leak, the global leak uh referral, there could be there could be several uh uh individuals.
When you look at the conspiracy, I mean that could get up to a dozen, two dozen people.
So, you know, for example, we don't know all the people that are involved.
Look, we know Strzok and Page, and we know their involvement because they've been interviewed.
But you know, there's other people that were above Strk and below Strzok that have not been interviewed.
So we don't know uh if they're involved in this conspiracy or not.
Uh my question is now that President Trump has been exonerated of Russia collute collusion, is the Justice Department investigating how it came to be that your agency used a salacious and unverified dossier as a predicate uh for a FISA order on a U.S. citizen.
The office uh of the inspector general has a pending investigation of the FISA process in in the Russian investigation, and I expect that that will be complete in probably in May or June, I am told.
So hopefully we'll have some answers from uh Inspector General Horowitz on the issue of the FISA warrants.
More generally more generally, uh I am reviewing the conduct of the investigation and trying to get my arms around all the the aspects of the uh counterintelligence investigation that was conducted during the summer of 2016.
All right, the Attorney General Barr.
Before that, uh, we have Devin Nunes of the House Intelligence Committee, one of the committees that does that after an exhaustive investigation determined that there was no evidence of Trump Trump campaign collusion with Russia.
Uh Devin Nunes earlier today sent a letter to the Attorney General as we've been telling you it is coming.
For more than two years, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the committee, in parentheses, conducted a wide-ranging investigation into the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election.
As part of that investigation, committee Republicans identified several potential violations of law.
Given the sensitivity surrounding this matter, I will have my staff contact a department to arrange a time for Representative John Ratcliffe and me to brief you directly on the eight criminal referrals.
I appreciate your consideration of this matter.
Now the former head of the House Intelligence Committee, now minority leader, is uh Devin Nunes from California, their 22nd district.
Uh welcome back, Congressman.
Well, you said this was coming, so here it is.
Thanks, Sean, and uh thanks for all your work on this and making sure that the American people actually knew the truth.
Uh it's been a long road, uh, but it's it's it's great today to be able to send this to the attorney general uh and we're prepared to brief them.
It's uh it's it's quite exhaustive, and uh I think the Attorney General will find it uh quite interesting for the investigation that now we know that that he's doing.
Well, let me go into the issue, which I think is very important here, because I'm I'm assuming you're not gonna name the names, but I think a lot of them are very obvious, at least to me, and I won't sit here and offer conjecture.
You're not gonna talk publicly about it at this point.
No, and and it wouldn't be appropriate, right?
Because uh a lot of this is is highly sensitive classified information.
Uh the attorney general, uh everything that I've seen, he's a grown-up.
And so, you know, part of the reason why we're sending these over the in this way, where we want to brief him directly, uh, is because we have we have trust and confidence in him.
So this isn't you know one of these things where we have to get a bunch of media and hype it up.
Uh you know, the fact of the matter is I want to send this to the attorney general, brief him, let him look at it, uh, ask us questions that he may have about this.
And, you know, look, these people that that were involved in this, let's just say what we feel is inappropriate behavior, and we think that they broke the law, or we wouldn't refer them uh for criminal prosecution.
Yeah, uh, you know, look, they don't need to know what we know.
And that's the bottom line.
I mean, look, uh I think you know they they all know who they are, but you know, there could be other people that don't know that we've actually found out what they were doing was wrong.
So I'm not gonna give these guys any advantage and tip them off uh as to what uh what we have.
Let me ask you, I keep saying and describing to our audience, you know, there have been four separate conclusions as it relates to Trump Russia collusion.
The FBI nine month investigation, you know, even Page instruck, there's no there.
Both of them saying it repeatedly, Lisa Page saying after nine months they had nothing before the appointment of Mueller.
We had the House Intelligence Committee investigation, which you ran.
You found no evidence of collusion.
Uh the same with the bipartisan Senate committee investigation led by Senator Burr.
Uh now the Mueller report couldn't be any more clear on the issue of collusion.
But that's not stopping people on the other side, be it you know, people that have been selling conspiracy theories and outright lies and anonymous sources and breathless hysterical reporting and and pronouncements by people in Congress.
But there is information, there has been a parallel investigation that I know you have been aware of in in on the front lines of discovery where there is real evidence.
We have not only your criminal referrals, but we now know and have confirmation from this week that the Attorney General has formed a team to review the FBI and Department of Justice's actions during this probe.
That will be big.
The Inspector General Horowitz's report on FISA abuse, I think that's going to be big.
Not sure exactly what uh John Hoover's going to come up with, but I expect it's going to be interesting.
More closed door testimony will be released.
And then, of course, the president in an interview with me a week and a half ago talked about releasing the FISA applications, gang of eight materials, 302s, and we're awaiting a court potentially giving us some information on Christopher Steele that will be um hopefully as revealing as I'm told it will be.
And then of course now we have evidence, the Ukrainians want to give us evidence that they work to influence our elections.
Do you have plans to release those Pfizer applications, gang of eight information, the 302s of Bruce Orr and others and the five buckets that John Solomon's they call them?
I do.
I have plans to declassify and release.
I have plans to absolutely release, but I have some very talented people working for me, lawyers, and they really didn't want me to do it early on.
One of the reasons that my lawyers didn't want me to do it is they said if I do it, they'll call it a form of obstruction.
So they'll say, Oh, you release these documents.
So we would make all of this information transparent.
You know, in politics, you always hear transparency, would make it transparent, and then they'd call it obstruction, knowing the people we're dealing with.
So frankly, I thought it would be better if we held it to the end.
No, but at the right time, we will be absolutely releasing, and I did the right thing by not doing it so far.
But you understand they would call it something that it wouldn't be.
It's the only time you'd be transparent where they'd say bad things about transparency.
A lot of stuff coming.
So there's there's a lot there.
Uh so let me uh let me tell you a couple things that I think are are important here and unpack some of this that's that's that's coming out and try to prioritize it.
Number one is this Mular dossier that I now call it, uh, because I'm you know, this 400 pages uh and all this talk about you know releasing it, and remember I was the first member of Congress to actually say all of this should be out.
But what is important is the underlying information and how they reached their conclusions and what made it on the page of their 400 page molar dossier.
Uh, because I am convinced that with Weissman and all these other bad actors who should not have been involved in this in the first place, because they were they should have been conflicted out.
I think a lot of your listeners understand this, but but you had Weissman and another lawyer who were on Moeller's team who were part of the chain of custody of the steel Democrat dirt dossier in 2016.
So if there are all these people that are that are clamoring for transparency and they want to see the 400 pages, I just hope that the attorney general goes farther than that uh and sends the and sends us all the information, all the underlying information because I'm looking forward to looking into you know all of these people that were sitting on this two-year witch hunt.
I want to look at the work that they did.
Just because you're on a special counsel doesn't mean you get special powers and that we don't, as a Congress and a legislative branch, don't get to investigate you if you're not on the up and up.
And I and I have a lot of reason to believe that Weissman and others were not on the up and up with the American people.
And they're gonna be held accountable also.
Do you believe as I do, and I believe that these transcripts that have been released by Congressman Doug Collins closed door testimony, that in fact the investigation into Hillary Clinton and her email server was rigged, and uh they did it for the favored candidate that should win a hundred million of zero, as Peter Strzok said, and he could smell, you know, not the smelly Walmart voters that were voting for Donald Trump like me.
Um do you believe there was a fraud committed on the FISA courts by a withholding information from the court, that being that everybody had been told Hillary paid for it, it was unverified.
We now know it's it the dossier is unverifiable and largely debunked.
And was that the bulk of information used?
Yeah, so look, they we you know from from our memo that we put out uh over a year ago that they lied to the Pfizer court.
So and there was a whole bunch of other line, which is why we want the other the rest of the the so-called come mosaic.
We want the rest of it out too, because you'll see just how fraudulent they were and what they were willing to do uh to spy on the Trump campaign.
And is isn't it nice now that we can actually call it spying on the Trump campaign, because that's what they did.
It's just so ridiculous that we haven't been able to use that term spy.
But But but let me say I was I think another important part of all this, Sean, I think will answer your question.
So I was going through some of my notes, just the history of this uh this morning.
And you know, when we look back when when we first opened our investigation, the House Intelligence Committee's like official investigation that was at the beginning of 2016.
At that time, you know, we had been already being have you know ongoing briefings as it relates to Russia, Russia and counterintelligence investigations.
And so remember, in January and February of 2016, I I'm out there doing interviews and getting attacked in these interviews when I would that was back when I used to talk to the Democrat controlled media, and I would you know take every question and they would be like, You don't know who Roger Stone is.
And what I would say was, I said, Look, I have yet to see one ounce of evidence against any American at all, and a court as supposedly NSA, FBI, all the IC, CIA, everybody's giving us everything that they have on Russia that you know people are demanding.
And I'm sitting there taking ridiculous questions from press people saying, Look, I don't have any evidence of collusion.
And what was interesting at that time when I go back and look, and I don't know if you if you remember this, this was we had real work to do on the House Intelligence Committee at that time.
And this was such it was beginning such a circus that I actually said, look, this has become such a joke because we have no evidence after a couple months looking at this.
So I'm gonna have Trey Gowdy and Tom Rooney, two lawyers that were sitting on the intelligence committee.
I'm basically going to put them on a task force and let them conduct all these interviews because until somebody somewhere gives us an ounce of of evidence, we're not gonna waste time on this.
We have real problems in this country and real challenges with the IC.
So this is a couple months before Moeller comes on.
There is no way on earth that Bob Moeller didn't know from day one when he walked in that door that there wasn't an ounce of evidence of Trump colluding with Russians, period.
There has been uh a little bit of a shocking news event happening, and that is the Obama White House counsel, Greg Craig has been charged by federal prosecutors for alleged lies about his work in Ukraine.
We continue with the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes is with us.
He's with California's 22nd district.
Uh thanks for sticking around.
There's a lot happening.
First, your reaction to and by the way, your criminal referrals, which we've been talking about, uh, and your letter to the Attorney General Barr about eight specific.
By the way, will there be more criminal referrals?
Do you think?
It it's it's very possible because as I said in the last segment, the Mollar dossier, once we go through that, uh I want to, you know, we're gonna hold all these people accountable too.
And so if there's anything that made it into the Moeller Dossier uh that's that's fake or phony or a lie, we're gonna we're gonna investigate it.
Also, on the positive side, there could be something.
I mean, I'm hopeful, Hope Springs eternal in this case, but hopefully the Mular dossier actually gives us perhaps some more information, sheds more light on other people that we can hold accountable and whether it's FISA abuse, other matters, unmasking, that sort of thing.
All right, what a the this to me is a huge I mean we remember Greg Craig going back to the Clinton administration.
He's an attorney, he was the Obama White House counsel, uh now charged by federal prosecutors for lies and in Ukrainian work in his case.
Lying, hiding information related to the work.
Of course, then we get back to the whole foreign agents registration act that really nobody had been held accountable until Mueller came on on board.
What's your reaction to that?
Do you know specifically, did is he actually being brought up for lying to investigators?
Uh or and farah, is it both of them or just the or just the the lying?
Charged by the department's foreign registr agents registration act farah, uh and also uh indicted for charges of lying and hiding information related to his work in Ukraine.
If we're gonna have a fair justice system, then the law has to be equally enforced on both sides.
So uh look, the law's in place.
I think that if you are working for a foreign government and you're lobbying on their behalf, uh you should have to register.
That's why we that's why we have the law.
Um now in the past, as you know, a lot of times this law has been enforced by somebody being able to go back in time and pay a fine and and fill out the proper form.
So, you know, hopefully this this will set uh a marker down and make sure that you know every lobbyist, everybody in the swamp that's gonna uh that's gonna work for a foreign government.
Look, let me just say it's not not a crime to work for a foreign government.
Uh, but if you are gonna do that, you should you know make sure that you're you're being on the up and up.
So all this these all this information is transparent for the American people to see.
With the release of these closed door testimonies, and we've had a number of them now.
Bruce and Nelly Orr, for example.
We learned that Bruce Orr, in fact, uh warned everybody about the steel dossier, telling everybody Clinton paid for it.
Remember, the money was funneled through a law firm to an op research firm hiring Christopher Steele and former MI6 agent, and that was not highlighted, we're told in the FISA application at all.
It was basically a a random footnote about might have a political taint to it rather than speaking boldly and clearly that the opposition party paid for it.
So when we look at all of those things, I want to just dig down here.
I see that as a fraud on the court.
Now we know that James Comey signed the first Pfizer warrant in October of twenty sixteen, which according to Rod Rosenstein would mean that to the best of his knowledge, it is true and accurate and has been, you know, verified and corroborated.
But then he told Donald Trump, president elect in January of twenty seventeen that it's salacious but not verified.
Wouldn't that mean that James Comey lied?
So Sean, this is, as you know, one of our referrals is on conspiracy as it relates to FISA abuse and what we call other matters.
So you can rest assured that uh a lot of what you're talking about there are the questions that we that we raise where we believe that there is you know circumstantial evidence that this was this was this that people did more than just make a mistake.
This was not a mistake.
They knew exactly where this information came from, and they chose to do word salads to basically have it both ways, where they could say, Oh, we told the court, but in reality they didn't tell the court.
That would be a that would be a fraud by omission.
And now that we know it's unverifiable, they just basically took Hillary Clinton's political document and used it to violate uh citizens' constitutional rights, but it also gave them a backdoor to spy on the Trump campaign, which the attorney general confirmed happened yesterday.
But this is why what we're referring over is the statute of conspiracy, right?
So they conspire to do a lot of bad things, lie to federal judges.
Okay, that's the easy one that you're that you're pointing out.
They obstructed justice, they defrauded the United States of America, they abused their power.
What we're pointing out on our referral is people conspired to do this.
Somebody conspired to decide not to tell the information that they knew uh directly that that from Christopher Steele that he was biased, that he was against Trump, that this was paid for by Democrats.
And and I find it it's impossible for me to believe that all these people at the Justice Department and the FBI just had no idea.
That's why they had to leave it a vague footnote in the FISA application.
It's not believable to the American people.
Bruce Orr has testified that in fact he told everybody, warned everybody.
Um, and that was in August before the October filing.
Let me ask you about Hillary, now that we have the closed door testimony of people like Struck and Page and James Baker, the general counsel, in other words, the top lawyer at the FBI, who thought he was fighting, he believed Hillary should have been indicted.
That's an interesting uh part of part of his transcript that Doug Collins was uh able to give us yesterday, two days in a row.
But more importantly, Strzok and Page said everything as it relates to the Hillary investigation was being run through the attorney general's office.
That would be at the time Loretta Lynch, who forced Comey to refer to it not as an investigation but a matter that was on a tarmac for forty-five minutes just prior to the decision about Bill Clinton's wife, supposedly talking about their grandchildren.
And uh then, of course, we see, in spite of what Comey had said, they were writing an exoneration in May of 2017, um 2016, before they actually interviewed Hillary or 17 other witnesses.
Hillary's interview happened on July second, twenty sixteen, and and they allowed two other people in the room and Peter Strzok that thought Hillary should win a hundred million a zero did the interview and then Comey exonerated her after they had changed the legal standard gross negligence to extreme carelessness.
Do you believe this investigation was rigged?
And if it was rigged, do we now need to reopen it?
Well, that's hard to say because you know what what we focused on, and I want to make sure you know I'm not dodging your question.
Just remember what we looked at.
We looked at Russia collusion in depth.
We looked at the FISA abuse and other matters in depth.
We looked at at unmaskings in depth.
And so a lot of that investigation was done uh by Bob Goodlat and the Judiciary Committee, they painstakingly went through all of that.
Um I mean, look, I at the end of the day, you have to it's it's complicated because you have to be able to prove conspiracy.
Did they conspire to do it?
Now look, from a layman out there who hasn't seen all the information uh, I mean, look, it looks clear to me that they can see.
Well, let me let me put it this way.
I think that's the that's the point you're trying to make.
Yeah, in in the testimony, closed door testimony, we now know that they took 40 emails, random emails of the 30,000.
Um 40, and of the 44 were top secret classified and labeled as such.
The espionage act, 18 USC 793, that that is a clear violation of that law.
That that's a felony.
And that's why I assume James Baker was saying, yeah, we should charge her if we have equal justice and equal application of our laws.
But clearly they didn't want that to happen.
Now, more importantly, if you know every Democrat is saying, well, maybe there's a nugget in the Mueller report that will show that Donald Trump obstructed, well, the obstruction statute needs to show intent, and Donald Trump hoping that you know General Flynn doesn't get the you know in trouble is not obstruction, he didn't stop the investigation.
Look look, I can easily comment on the on the the emails and the the classified information on the emails.
That that's it's a crime.
Okay.
So it's it's plain and simple, it's a crime.
So what you know, the thing we don't know about because all those bad characters you just talked about were the ones who did the interview.
We don't know what it is she said, right?
So, you know, if she basically denied it, um, you know, she and I assume that's I mean that's what they're going with.
Don't we have intent when you go back and when you delete the 33,000, isn't there intent when you acid wash the hard drive with bleach pit?
Isn't that intent?
When you bust up your devices, isn't that intent?
You remove SIM cards.
Well, and it's more than I mean, look, it's not it's it's not just that, but it's obstruction.
It's obstruction of justice.
Exactly.
That's what that is.
So I you know the other the other issue I would I would say too is that when you go back, you know, we talked a little about Clinton and a little bit earlier here, and when they were working on that investigation and how the same people that were involved in the the Trump investigation, colluding with Russia, people forget, and this was in our report, it's largely overlooked, that Comey briefed Lynch and Yates early in the spring of 2016.
So they were in full motion and you know, briefing at the highest levels that they were investigating Trump uh for colluding with Russians.
I mean, that's that's incredible.
And so so if you take that date, right, which is you know, we only know it's the springtime of 16.
So Moeller doesn't get appointed for a full 12, 13 months after that.
So you're telling me it were the most sophisticated intelligence agencies on ever created on the planet after 13 months of investigation, you don't have one ounce of evidence that anybody was colluding with Russians.
Think about that.
Let me ask.
And that's key.
Now, let me ask you this with the Assange news today.
Um I think it's a little bit odd.
Now, I know I've talked to many, many people that are in the intelligence community.
I won't ask you to know you you know things that I don't know.
And the general consensus is and I interviewed him in January of 2017.
I've interviewed him on the radio.
And I've asked him, did you get this?
I was very clear.
We have the question.
Did you get this from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?
He says, No, no state party, not Russia, et cetera.
All right.
Wouldn't the one person that would know the answer to those questions be Assange?
Now I know he's being brought up on charges related to the Afghanistan release, and why was he never approached?
Because I've got to believe that if he told me the truth, there would be forensic proof of such.
And if he didn't tell the truth and it was Russia, there would be proof of that.
As it relates to the What do you think?
Well, what I would say what what I would say about Asaj is this, that what he did with the Snowden and Manning leaks, it was was really bad and really dangerous.
Now look, it's not, it's the people that did those that perpetuate those crimes, uh, they were busted for it.
In fact, one was released early, as I remember, is if I remember correctly.
Um Snowden is still still on the run.
Uh you know, those guys need to be, you know, need to absolutely be prosecuted.
The claim, as I understand it, I have not read the indictment yet, is that that Assaj was working in conjunction to get um to figure out ways to break the the codes down to get the information.
So that would, you know, that would be problematic for Assage, and that's gotta be look, he's it's gotta be proven in court.
Uh as it relates to the the Russia matters, you know, though that stuff is still classified at this time, and it's hard for me to really comment on it.
One of the things that bothers me, you warned everybody in 2014 that Russia was gonna pull this crap on us again, and that they do it against other countries.
Nobody listened to you.
You were right, you were right.
And now we see the Ukraine is admitting that they tried to help Hillary in the 2016 election.
Nobody's nobody cares because it's not against Donald Trump.
And what bothers me in all of this is, and this is what was so serious about the Clinton email server issue, is that why have we in all these years as a country, knowing that these hostile regimes, po Russia is a hostile regime.
Putin a hostile actor.
Why haven't we built the defensive defenses to prevent this?
This has gone on for you know thirty years, and we haven't built a defense capable of stopping this yet.
Why?
Well, we're we're always to be fair, I mean, we do spend a lot of money, you know, trying to you know, trying to build this infrastructure uh to combat the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, North Koreans, uh, you know, other bad actors.
We spent a lot a lot of money doing it.
Um I think the the more important point though that you brought up there, Sean, is that we had administration after administration uh who wanted to cozy up to Putin.
Okay.
I mean, going back to Bill Clinton, starting with Bill Clinton, then all through George W. Bush, all through the Obama administration.
And largely if you go back and you look, Donald Trump's position that they claimed, oh my God, they were frightened by the words that Donald Trump was saying about the Russia.
It was no different than what Hillary or Obama or George W. Bush or Condoleezza Rice or anybody say about the.
By the way, the only one caught on tape colluding was your uh friend uh the cowardly Schiff, but um Adam Ship.
Uh Congressman, thank you for spending the hours with us, uh hour with us.
We appreciate your time.
Very enlightening.
News Roundup Information Overload.
Jonathan Gillam, Danielle McLaughlin next.
Yeah, I uh as I said in my confirmation hearing, uh I am gonna be reviewing uh both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed uh aga at the the Trump campaign during two thousand and sixteen.
Uh and uh a lot has already been in a lot of this has already been investigated and a substantial portion of it has been investigated and is being investigated by uh the office of uh Inspector General at the department.
Uh but one of the things I want to do is pull together all the information from the various investigations that have gone on, including on the Hill uh and in the department, and uh see if there are any remaining questions uh to be addressed.
And can you share with us why you feel a need to do that?
Well, uh, you know, for the same well, for the same reason we're worried about foreign uh influence in elections.
We want to make sure that uh during election I I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal.
It's a big deal.
I spy an attorney general giving credence to conspiracy theories.
It feels like we that basically the attorney general gaslit the country.
Bill Barr, one of our nation's most respected lawyers, a two-time attorney general, turn in his tortoise shell glasses for a tinfoil hat.
has made really clear, I'm going to be an engine for the President of the United States.
I am not the Attorney General for the country.
The Attorney General of the United States in a dog whistle to Sean Hannity is a big deal.
He is a flunky for Donald Trump.
He's not an independent thinker.
He sounds good.
He seems sincere, but if you look at what he does, not what he says, then you see the actions of a hatchet man here, and it's really disturbing.
To use another American word, is he a toady?
Is he saying the kind of language that Trump wants to hear him use?
Well, unfortunately, I think over the past several weeks, I've been very disappointed in Attorney General Barr.
I had higher expectations for him.
He shaped the narrative after the Muller report.
He, in fact, uh, then also had this testimony today that I think was very carefully uh nuanced as a way to try to support the uh Donald Trump's uh positions.
So he acted more like the a personal lawyer for Donald Trump today rather than the attorney general.
I'm wondering what your reaction was.
Well, I thought it was uh both stunning and and and scary.
Uh I was uh amazed at that and and rather disappointed that uh the attorney general would say such a thing.
That you know, the term spying uh has all kinds of negative connotations, and uh I I have to believe he he chose that term uh uh deliberately.
Donald Trump wanted his Roy Cohn.
He got his Roy Cone.
Except you can tell Barr doesn't really feel it like Roy Cohn did.
Uh he knows that what he's saying is unbelievably reckless, and you can almost see his mind bar going, okay.
How do I answer this question so Trump doesn't tweet at me?
So I keep my job, but still not making jackass of myself for lies.
That's tough.
Fox News is in charge of the Justice Department.
I mean, this really is an extraordinary um adoption of the conspiratorial language that the president and his supporters in the news media use to describe the Mueller investigation, the Justice Department.
He's obviously been watching a lot of Fox since he became became a private citizen.
All right, there you have the reaction, by the way, very predictable, and uh I've I've been warning that this would happen, that this would come, that this is real.
Bill Barr, the Attorney General confirming what we have known now for a long time.
The evidence now is not even in dispute.
It is overwhelming and it is incontrovertible on multiple fronts.
There was spying on the Trump campaign.
Yeah, by the Obama administration officials, some of whose voices uh I believe you heard right there in that montage.
We now have four examples.
The nine-month FBI investigation, the House Intelligence Committee investigation, the bipartisan Senate committee investigation into Trump Russia collusion, and now definitively the Mueller report, no evidence of Trump Russia collusion.
By the way, that was quoted in the Attorney General's letter.
We'll probably know more by Monday.
If this is their reaction to just this small bit of information, what are they going to do as we now get these criminal referrals?
What are they going to do now that Barr has launched an investigation into the investigation?
What do we were what have we been calling it for such a long period of time?
Investigate the investigators.
What are they going to do as it relates to the FISA abuse that we know occurred?
We know that everybody in the upper echelon, FBI D O J was warned.
They were warned in August of 2016 by Bruce Orr that this Russian dossier was bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton and company.
Funneled money, law firm Perkins Couie to a op research firm, uh fusion GPS to a foreign agent spy, former MI6 agent Christopher Steele.
And we now know Christopher Steele does Not himself stand by his dossier, claims it's raw intelligence.
I don't know if any of it's true.
5050.
Well, the problem is that 5050 intelligence, the ones that he doesn't stand by, as Bruce Orr warned, she paid for it.
It's never been verified or corroborated and still hated Trump and was invested in in Trump losing.
Well, that was never told the FISA court.
Well, then the FISA court was given a fraudulent application.
And remember, McCabe says no dossier.
There is no FISA warrant.
It wouldn't have happened.
So they withhold information that's critical to the court, which is that Hillary paid for it.
Now we know it's an unverifiable document.
They can't claim they verified it because most of it's been debunked.
And secondly, the author of the dossier doesn't support it.
And they did it four separate times.
They did this every three months, and they did it by getting by going after Trump campaign associate Carter Page.
That gave them a backdoor into all things Trump world.
It gave them everything.
So spying did occur.
That's another example.
And by the way, we did have a 350% increase in the surveillance unmasking of American citizens in 2016 by the Obama administration.
You know, even Samantha Powers of the UN, you know, is out there 300 unmasking requests that she says she uh I never did that.
I don't know what that's about.
And you can go, there were other issues as well that came up.
You know, we know, for example, uh, look at the case of Stefan Halper.
You know, we know that Halper was uh pro a professor was asked by the FBI, engaged by the FBI to be an informant for the FBI to penetrate the Trump campaign.
New York Times reported, quote, agents involved in the Russia investigation asked Mr. Halper, an American academic who teaches in Britain to gather information on Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, another well, he was a low-level Trump campaign foreign policy advisor.
And Halper went beyond Page and Papadopoulos and also contacting and seeking information from Sam Clovis.
It wasn't clear whether Halper had the FBI's blessings to contact Mr. Clovis.
Anyway, so um the Halper case, as Brian uh Byron York writes today, is more evidence that spying did occur.
And as to the question of Barr, he continues, the question is whether or not it was adequately adequately predicated, meaning whether the FBI presented evidence sufficient to justify the surveillance.
Well, the Grassley Graham memo tells us the bulk of the application and the FISA warrant was the phony Clinton bought and paid for Russian dossier.
And then we know they didn't tell the court, the judges, the FISA court judges, that she paid for it.
Well, that's spying.
Jonathan Gillam, former FBI agent, f uh federal air marshal, author of the bestseller Sheep No More, Danielle McLaughlin, attorney, constitutional expert.
Uh welcome both of you.
Um Jonathan, you've been in this game, this business long enough.
Sounds like spying to me.
It sounds like Barr told the truth and they can't handle it.
Yeah, and I tell you, that is one of the greatest montages that you've ever played, because there are several.
I don't know if people realize this, but there are several very important people that are making comments.
Congresswoman, uh, former head of the CIA, um, NSA, that are saying things so ridiculous that you know that they're they're trying they're that they're freaking out.
That they're now they see what's really going to happen, and this is the ultimate thing that they didn't want to happen when Hillary lost was for this to go forward and nothing to come out, and now the AG has the ability to do a real investigation to see if spying occurred.
The fact that she would ask, whichever Congresswoman that was, would ask the attorney general, well, why would you look into this?
Is that that is the craziest, dumbest question I've ever heard.
That's his job.
That's why he's hired.
The very fact that he said he's gonna look into this should give people uh a sense of respect for him, a sense of uh strength that he's gonna go and do his job uh that he was hired to do.
And I think when we look at the other thing that really bothers me about that montage is the fact that we don't have journalism anymore.
There's very few uh news agencies, we want to call them news agencies that actually stick to collecting information and disseminating information.
These are echo chambers for the DNC.
And I think this really bothers me tremendously because they have free reign of the airways to say whatever they want for the DNC, and they're going after government officials that are doing their job.
And that that's kind of shaky ground for illegal behavior in my book.
What do you think, Danielle?
I mean, uh, you're a lawyer.
So if you don't present information that is pertinent.
And remember, Andrew McCabe, deputy FBI director said no dossier, no FISA warrant.
But they never told the court that Hillary bought and paid for this Russian information.
They never told the court that Christopher Steele that that that he himself didn't stand by his own dossier, that it's really unverifiable.
Um there is to me that is beyond a constitutional violation of Mr. Page's rights uh against unreasonable search, seizure, seizure warrant issues, etc.
But more importantly, it gave them a backdoor into the Trump campaign by committing a fraud.
We'll let you answer that on the other side.
All right, Danielle.
So they with they don't tell the Pfizer court Hillary paid for it.
We now know that the author of the dossier doesn't even stand by his own dossier, has no idea if the information's true.
Uh they were all warned about this ahead of time, but yet they used it as the bulk of information in a FISA application.
Is that a fraud on the court?
The court was informed in a pretty lengthy footnote uh that the uh dossier was the result of a political candidate's work.
So the court would be a good thing.
No, it says has it might have it might have a slight political taint.
Be and the judge was able to knew that and was able to make their own determination.
But they know Hillary paid for it.
You should have put in big bold letters.
This document was bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton, the opposition party candidate.
Here's the thing.
Notice Jonathan, she doesn't want to deal with that fact.
I want to I this is the context of all of this, okay.
Carter Page was being uh was was of concern to the FBI going back to 2013 because of his relationships and contacts with people that the FBI believed to be connected to Russian intelligence.
So it wasn't that he was associated with the Trump campaign solely.
He had been talking to the FBI.
They had warned him to stay away from these people.
He declined to do so.
And George Papadopoulos the reason he was swept up in this was because as we all know, he got drunk with an Australian diplomat in London and said that Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
That was May of 2016.
I want our government to look into these kinds of things.
I don't want our government to spy on me, on you, on a pro a candidate for president, but I do want them to do their job, and I do think they did their job.
That's fine if Ba wants to investigate, but the DOJ's Office of Inspector General has been investigating this for a yeah, specifically whether they were FISA abuses.
So let's fight wait and see what they come out with.
The last report was 500 pages long, and that was looking at what the FBI did as it related to the Clinton email investigation and her serve.
Let's let the OIG do the job that they're meant to do.
All right, Jonathan, we'll give you the last word today.
Well, I you know, I've calmed down now after hearing that montage, because that's a I love that montage that you played earlier.
Uh, but I got to tell you, this whole thing is just utterly ridiculous in the way of how this case came about.
Any agent that's ever worked with a Pfizer would tell you that information that has to it has to get scrubbed, and there's a special unit that actually scrubs that information to make sure that it is viable and to make sure that it is real.
That did not happen in this case.
It that is in and of itself a big deal.
But the fact that this entire case was built upon false evidence and that they were allowed to go and yes, spy on a presidential candidate is a major thing.
What is even worse though is the fact that people who were elected to protect this country.
That's one of the reasons why they're elected to uh into office to protect this country are playing political games to the point where they were actually involved with the reasons why the spying was being done.
And now they're trying to cover that up on a massive scale.
This is a good thing.
All right, thank you both.
We appreciate it.
Quick break, right back.
We'll get to your phone calls next half hour.
We have a great Hannity tonight, nine Eastern.
Guys, we're in DC today asking what people think about President Obama's comments on assimilation.
Is it good?
Is it bad?
Is it racist?
We're gonna ask.
If you're gonna have a coherent cohesive society, then everybody has to have some agreed upon rules.
It's you know, it's not racist to say, ah, if you're gonna be here, then you should learn the language of the country that you just arrived at.
These are comments from the president about immigration from this weekend, and we're just seeing what people think, and you can read it here.
That's most definitely a racist idea.
I don't know, but he doesn't.
It's extremely racist for him to believe that um English is the only language that we should know.
I don't agree with that statement that you have to learn English in order to come to this country.
So you're not in favor of any kind of assimilation at all.
No, nah.
English isn't even the dominant language in the world.
I'm against the idea of forcing people to learn English, or saying that if you don't learn English, you can't get a job here.
You think people should adopt any parts of American culture or not really?
No, I really know I think people should be free to live their life wherever they want to live.
Do you think it should be encouraged?
Um, I think that the resources should be made available to and accessible to everyone.
Are you in favor of open borders as well?
Yes.
Well, I mean, you should you should learn the language, but you can't learn it immediately if you don't know it.
If you're gonna have a coherent, cohesive society, then everybody has to have some agreed upon rules.
I agree.
I travel around the world, just got back from Cuba.
I can't get benefits for Cuba.
I mean, I think it's good for yeah, some people should learn English because they're not gonna understand a lot.
I agree wholeheartedly.
If you're gonna come to our country, you should assimilate.
It's only fair if you're a citizen and you have le you have the proper documents.
Would you say that you support the president on this particular issue?
Um, well, you know, if you're asking me about this particular comment.
Yes.
Then that's about all I can say is I can understand and appreciate that comment.
I think Trump is right.
He needs to enforce this law.
Uh Americans should be first.
So would it surprise you if I told you that these were President Obama's comments?
Actually, not President Trump, so that's surprised you.
Ah no, I know I don't agree with a lot of um President Obama's immigration policy ideas as well, so my ideas definitely wouldn't change.
It doesn't surprise me at all.
I'm if it's Obama, Trump, whoever, I it it's law as the law.
I was dumb with Obama.
I didn't talk to the same.
Let me call Obama.
Just get him up on the phone.
So does this surprise you at all if I tell you these are from President Obama as opposed to President Trump?
These are actually President Obama's quotes.
Um to me that would make a lot more sense.
Would it surprise you if I said these are actually President Obama's comments?
Um, not really.
I don't think any of our presidents have been completely great.
So it would open up opportunities for them if they learned English.
Yes.
Yeah, it would kind yes, most definitely.
Yeah.
So that sounds a little bit like you might be in favor of some parts of assimilation.
Probably some.
So maybe some assimilation, but with respect for original cultures.
Yeah.
Do you get ever any heat from anybody for supporting Trump on that issue?
Um yeah, they have their comment, but I really don't care because I've been around the world, and I can't get what you can get.
Only in America you can do this.
Now that's extremely funny.
Uh glad your weather's 24 now till the top of the hour, 800 941 Sean toll-free telephone number.
Redstate.com put that together, and what they did is, you know, people were asked if uh Trump's immigration quotes are racist.
Yeah, then they turned out to be Obama's.
You know, you think about it.
What is the language of success?
You know, all of this put everything else aside.
Will you be denied opportunities?
Let's assume for a second you come to this country, you come to this country legally, you you go through the process.
Are there going to be jobs and opportunities, many of them, that you will not be qualified for if you don't speak English?
And the answer is yes.
So that would be assimilation.
That would be English, the language of success.
And if you care about people and you want them to be successful, that at some point has to be a requirement for them.
But apparently, I guess not for some others.
Anyway, it's it's funny.
I mean, through the prism of politics, isn't it?
It's interesting to watch.
You know, everybody's, oh my gosh.
Julian Assange hacked us.
Well, we know Hillary's email server was hacked with classified, mark classified top secret, marked top secret, and special access programming information.
When they we, you know, we learned this week that they took a sampling of only 40 emails from Hillary's 300, some odd thousand of them, and yeah, four of the 40 were marked top secret.
And and that's but if it's Hillary, it's a different story.
If it's Justice Kavanaugh and a Trump appointee going on the Supreme Court, then I believe if it's the lieutenant governor of Virginia, yeah, not so much.
You care about building walls and and keeping our borders secure and helping dreamers, and you believe in DACA and all these things.
Yeah, if Obama's president, but not if Trump is president.
On so many of the same issues.
It is it is time and time again.
This this hypocrisy just rains down on you.
All right, let's get to our phones.
800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, we had a great Hannity tonight.
Uh remember, we're the only ones that interviewed Julian Assange, and we're gonna go back to uh that issue as well.
You know, I go back to an original question I mean I asked earlier in the program.
Now, Julian Assange was steadfast in my interviews with him in saying that it was not Russia, that it was not a state, not a state party.
Okay, maybe it's parsing of words in some way.
And if you wanted to get to the truth of exactly where the information, I don't care if it's the the Chelsea Manning Afghanistan tape, which goes back in 2010 or whether or not it's the DNC emails, pedestri emails, whatever it happens to be.
I've got to imagine that probably the one guy that has the answer as to where he got his information from would be Julian Assange.
And yet, as far as I know, the only lawmaker to ever make an attempt to go see the guy and talk to him and ask him was Dana Rohrbacher.
I don't know anybody else that did, but you would think forensically he might actually have the evidence that could say, I got it here.
Now, maybe that leads back to a Russian agent of some kind.
Maybe it doesn't.
Maybe you don't want the answer.
Maybe they didn't want the answer.
Maybe, you know, most in the Intel community, they will say, yeah, they believe the information came from Russia or these bot companies.
And and you know, the the sad thing is is all of this is preventable because we've been warned.
2014, Devin Nunes warned the world, yes, the Russians are going to do what they always do, which is trying to wreak havoc on the American electoral system.
And this time, you know, they tried again.
Now, nobody seems to care that we have evidence.
Ukraine wants to give us the evidence, and nobody seems interested in their attempts to help influence the 2016 election in Hillary Clinton's favor.
And yet we we we have a case where Joe Biden's son, you know, is involved in a business deal, and that his son is being investigated by a prosecutor, and Joe Biden then leverages taxpayer money, and we have that on tape and brags about, well, I'm only here six hours.
Either he's gone or you don't get the money.
You don't trust me, call Obama.
He's gonna do what I say.
I said I'm not gonna give we're not gonna give you the billion dollars.
They said, You have no authority, you're not the president.
The president said I said call him.
I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.
I said, You're not getting a billion.
I'm gonna be leaving here.
I think it was what, six hours.
I looked at I said, I'm leaving in six hours.
If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money.
Oh, son of a got fired.
Yeah, it is creepy, crazy Uncle Joe.
What we didn't realize maybe he did.
Why did he want them fired so bad?
Wanted him fired because the guy was investigating his own son.
That's why the guy had to be fired to get the billion dollars.
And he's using taxpayer money to leverage and end an investigation into his own son.
Pretty unbelievable.
This this will be a big issue in the campaign, as reported by John Solomon, investigated by him at the Hill.
All right, let's get to our uh busy telephones.
800941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
All right.
Uh let's say hi to Lori is in Austin.
Hi, Lori.
How are you?
We're glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
Um, it's an honor to talk to you.
It's a first-time caller, long time listener.
Honor to talk to you.
You're so sweet.
Anyway, we just wanted to let you know that um I got married almost 20 years ago at West Point to my Army football husband.
Congratulations.
Good for you.
Well, he's a good dude.
And uh we chose to move our five kids from Boston to Boston.
So from Tassachusetts to Tax Less Texas, and I can't even tell you the difference.
The first year we got a refund check from the government.
I looked at my husband, I begged him, I said, please put it in a bank account, don't touch it, make believe it's not there, because they're gonna want it back.
I I didn't believe that we were getting money back from the government with such a foreign concept.
And this year, we are gonna be getting the single largest tax return in our 46 years on planet Earth, and I want to say a huge thank you to President Trump.
You want you want to know what the irony of this is um I'm gonna pay more this year.
Now, I've always said it's not about me, and I'm by the way, I'm so happy for you because that's money you can put away for your kids, maybe get a new car, maybe go out to dinner and save for college fund, I don't know.
Whatever you guys want to do.
Um life is expensive.
I always say to every single person that works for me, they all get talks about money.
Linda, right?
How many times have I have you heard the talk that I've given to times?
I haven't given it to Katie yet, but she's getting it.
And uh Kylie's gonna get it too.
And what do I always say about money?
Money is Freedom.
Exactly.
And you know, every year I like to give everybody that works for me.
Doesn't matter what position, we have a very big TV staff.
We have a uh kind of small f we'll call it familiar, right?
We have like family um uh radio staff, and I like to give people bonuses.
I try to be generous and I try and consider how hard everybody works every year, and we try and we we try and build in good raises when people deserve it and all that sort of thing.
And the thing is that I you know, when l let's say you give somebody a five thousand dollar bonus.
That's a lot of money, right?
I'll always say to people.
That's a ton of money.
Yes.
Yeah, don't blow this money.
You know, maybe do get one thing you want, put the rest away.
Because then it gives you freedom to make better choices.
Maybe freedom at one point, maybe you want to buy a house, you want to get a car, all those things.
So um though for years, red states have the the low-tax states or no tax state income tax states, they have not had the benefit of states like New York, California, New Jersey that have very high state income taxes,
and as a result, they never got to deduct that money from their taxes, and in many ways they were subsidizing a benefit uh for states that elect these tax and spend politicians.
Now, I didn't vote for Andrew Cuomo.
I haven't voted for any Democrat in New York, but as a result of the president's tax cuts, he's not giving that benefit to high tax states anymore.
And frankly, I don't think it's fair that he did that the government did before him.
Because he's given a benefit and rewarding states for taxing their citizens, their you know, residents, even more.
And so as a result, you see this mass exodus out of states like New York, California, New Jersey, and Illinois.
And I don't blame people.
Tax the rich, tax the rich.
We did.
We did now forbid the rich leave.
Bye-bye.
I mean, it's crazy.
Anyway, 800 941 Sean.
Uh, congratulations, Lori.
Uh, happy anniversary To you as well, and we wish you all the best.
Uh, let's say hi to Bob.
He's in Florida.
Bob, a no income tax state.
How are you?
I'm great, Sean.
Thank you so much for taking my call.
I listen all the time and watch Sam most every night.
And if I fall asleep and crash early, I've got it recorded, so I still catch it.
Well, I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Oh, you're quite welcome.
I was calling about Uncle Bernie's comments about the new Medicare for all.
How it's going to be a great boom to the whole country, and nobody will have to pay for it.
And the economy of scale is going to save them money so they can afford it, which is a bunch of baloney.
Okay.
I paid into Medicare my whole working life, a lot.
And now I finally get to retirement.
I still pay into Medicare as it's deducted for my social security.
And I don't think it's right that I and other people along the line have paid all that money in, and now all you have to do is sneak across the border and get the Medicare for free.
That's just not right.
It's going to clog our hospitals, our emergency rooms.
Doctors are going to leave.
They're going to just retire early and get out.
I've talked to many of them who are friends, and they tell me that if that ever happens, they're done.
So it's only going to make the system worse.
It's not going to work.
And I just don't think that they're treating everybody fairly when they do that.
Listen, I agree completely with you.
I I got to take a quick break.
We'll come back.
800 nine four-one Sean, if you want to be a part of this program.
We had a great Hannity tonight.
All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
We have an awesome Hannity tonight.
Yeah.
The Obama White House counsel charge Greg Craig.
We'll follow that tonight.
Also, uh the latest meltdown from the left as it relates to the attorney general uh saying he will review the FBI and the DOJ's actions.
Investigate the investigators.
We'll get into that.
We have the Julian Assange issue, and we will get into all the other news of the day, including the criminal referrals.
Devin Nunes.
We have Alan Dershowitz, Carter Page, Greg Jarrett, Sarah Carter, Geraldo, Dan Bongino, and much more.
Tonight at nine on Hannity.
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