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Uh I mean that with all my heart.
Uh 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Look, I've never done a lot of travel in my life, and I kind of I kind of cloister myself off when I'm on these trips because of I need the ability to stay on New York time, which is the only way I can do my job effectively, I think.
And so that means closing all the shade.
You look like you're, you know, a crazy person.
You close the shades to the hotel room, and I just mentally just say, okay, what time is it?
Well, it's three Eastern.
It's it's radio time, even though we were doing the show last week.
It was 3 a.m. local time.
A little weird when it's dark outside as you're driving to the studio, though.
Um, all right.
So last week we had the entire Michael Cohn, you know, let's let's forget about world peace.
Let's not schedule this.
Let's schedule the Michael Cohn hearings, the three days the president is overseas in Vietnam trying to negotiate something that would be great for our kids and our grandkids, and that would be the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.
Let's let's let's do this.
But then the Democrats, and I'm gonna explain, they now outline their entire strategy for what the next two years is going to be like, and I want to go over this with you because none of it is about what they should be about, and that is serving their constituents and serving the American people and making this country a better place.
The whole idea of a public servant is that you are to serve others, those people that you make promises to, that you go out and fulfill your job.
You want a better economy, you want more opportunity, you want you want more liberty, you want more freedom.
You want you want the American dream available to yourself and your kids and your grandkids in a safe environment because the world is safer, but not for them.
That that is not what the modern extreme radical democratic socialist party is all about.
They could have scheduled those Michael Cohn hearings any time they wanted.
The idea that on the morning, the president is meeting Kim Jung un first time publicly at this historic second summit.
That in prime time on NBC cable and fake news CNN cable, they dedicated a whopping 12 minutes in prime time, over 400, nearly 500 minutes of cone coverage, says everything you need to know about what their agenda is.
Because they're just an extension of all things radical extreme democratic socialist party.
And because I think that most Americans, you know, they want to create the image and the impression for the American people that this president is off as rocker.
This president is not doing his job.
This president's corrupt.
This president did illegal things.
This president is guilty, guilty, guilty by accusation.
It's not unlike what they did to Kavanaugh, except it's a three, four-year proposition now for them.
They want a batter, bloody beat down, Crush, destroy the reputation of Donald Trump because they think it's in their best interest to do so.
And but the great irony about all of this is the fake fraud media mob telling you that the American people blame Trump for January's government shutdown and that President Trump is in the worst position often, but his poll numbers remain the same.
You know, high 40s to low 50s.
It doesn't move.
They're only catering to this very radical extreme base of the Democratic Party.
You know, Andy McCarthy put it very well in a piece that he wrote, sort of a summary of what came out of the Cone hearings.
And, you know, he points out rightly so electoral victory is subpoena power, meaning Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats took over the House.
Could you imagine if they got the Senate?
Donald Trump campaigning in Tennessee and in Missouri and in North Dakota and in Indiana and in Florida, literally has prevented what would be more than this this would be on steroids and human growth hormone, and it would be every second of every day.
But the Senate is not going to go along with all of this.
Although Senate Republicans, some of them don't support the emergency declaration of the president, but I don't think it's going to be able to, the president will veto it.
They won't overturn the president's veto.
So it will, in fact, go forward, never challenged before by any other president, which is ridiculous.
But so it seems like at every level the Democrats have pretty much conceding that Trump Russia collusion never happened, or at least Robert Mueller never found any evidence that any of this happened.
And so, but now they just go to plan B, plan C, plan D, E, F, and G, and they're not even hiding it.
They've been describing to you what they want to do if they get in power.
If they win, they want us all fossil fuels, natural gas, and they want only clean energy.
It would eliminate every car on the road.
It would guarantee Americans, you know, a sustaining wage and family and medical leave and free vacations and health care for free and retirement for free and free college education, trade school education for free.
You can't have your own private insurance.
Everything's going to be free in this utopia.
Eventually we're going to get rid of, in 10 years, we'll be off all fossil fuels, the lifeblood of our economy.
Never mind the hundreds and hundreds of thousands, actually, millions of Americans that work in the energy industry.
Now that for the first time in 75 years, we are energy independent.
We have more natural gas, oil, coal, more energy than any country on the face of this earth.
And if we'd only tap into these resources, we will be a massive net exporter of energy, which will create stability in the world rather than relying and depending on countries, some of whom have and continue to hate our guts for the lifeblood of what is the American economy, the engine of any economy.
Nobody else in the world, I can tell you is going to adopt this madness.
China will surpass us.
Every other country on earth will just roll over our economy.
And the impact, the ripple effect worldwide will be a catastrophe if it ever becomes, if it ever gets implemented, which is what they want to do.
Now, how do they how do they do this?
For Democrats to ever get their new Green Deal, they've got to win elections.
Where they hid where they stood in 2018, they are now super vocal about it.
They are the great champions of the new Green Deal.
They are now saying that they agree with Ocasio-Cortez.
They're now running on this madness, this push towards not even socialism at this point, which would be economics.
What is economic suicide?
Promises and guarantees that they can never fulfill.
So how do they get there?
They got to get power back.
How do they get their power back?
Well, they're now, over the weekend, they're now actively telling people.
This is now the we're this is the appetizer before the entree.
The entree is impeachment.
This is now what will be a daily nonstop death by a thousand cut strategy to destroy Donald Trump because Mueller didn't work.
Trump Russia collusion didn't work.
So we go to plan B. Plan B is well, we can't go to impeachment right away because that could backfire.
And even Nancy Pelosi are saying they don't want to take up impeachment.
Because if it's it's gonna go nowhere, well, that means that, you know, we don't want to empower Trump and help Trump like it eventually helped Clinton.
Axios lays out this slow bleed strategy, and the slow bleed is now we're gonna have lengthy nonstop public hearings.
We already have what, eighty some odd people that are being subpoenaed to now go testify before Congress.
And their documents, uh a document search unlike any that has ever happened before in history.
They're not serving the American people.
They this this they want to methodically pick apart every aspect of Donald Trump's life in the hopes that this fishing expedition will yield them something that they can then say, see, we got him.
Or they'll come out with a daily dose of hysteria that they'll feed to their friends in the liberal media mob so they can go out there and claim such.
You know, so what you have are coordinated investigations, six to eight house committees.
And what they're gonna do is basically what we've had for two years, except they they outsource that, which never should have been, to Robert Mueller and the special counsel.
But now we're gonna have six to eight House committees, essentially from now until November of 2020.
They are going to make every single working day a public trial against Donald Trump.
They will go after anything and everything.
Abuse of power, obstruction of justice, conflicts of interests, uh profits from the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., money lawyer.
They're just gonna make it up.
And what the Democrats are doing is this is they're not serving the American people.
I can tell you that.
The Democrats, they want to create a large, huge, massive, damning public record of testimony documents, investigated reports, and they want to now use all of their time and energy to push for and lead to what will be in the mines because the media will feed this every day.
You know, uh, it's just not worth it anymore.
I'll take anybody but this.
That's what they're doing.
Many in leadership believe impeachment could get Trump re-elected.
Well, all of this is gonna end up getting Trump re-elected.
You know, you got top top Democrats now.
You know, they're starting out.
Listen to Jerry Nadler of New York.
The investigation into um where is it?
Trump obstructed justice.
Now, this is interesting.
He's already concluded the investigation before it starts.
One of the reasons he cites is Jim Comey.
We'll get to that in a second.
But listen.
Do you think the president structured justice?
Yes, I do.
It's very clear that the president structure justice.
It's very clear.
Uh 1100 times he referred to the Mueller investigation as a witch hunt.
He tried to he fired uh uh he tried to protect uh Flynn from being uh investigated by the uh by the FBI.
He fired Comey in order to stop the Russian thing, as he told uh NBC News.
He uh he's dangled part.
He's threatened, he's intimidated witnesses in public.
If that's the case, then is the decision not to pursue impeachment right now simply political if you believe he instructed justice?
No, uh we have to we have to we have to do the investigations and get all this.
We we do not now have uh uh the evidence all all sorted out and everything to to do anything to do an impeachment.
Before you impeach somebody, you have to persuade the American public that it ought to happen.
You have to persuade enough of the opposite of the opposition party voters or the Trump voters, uh, that you're not just trying to.
Yeah, it is a very high bar.
You're not just trying to steal the last election to reverse the results of the last election.
We may not get there.
Uh uh, but but but what we have to do is protect the rule of law.
What a joke.
Because we even have the general counsel, the FBI saying that Hillary should have been indicted.
And but the irony here, he started out with a definitive statement.
Trump obstructed justice.
Okay, where's the evidence?
He says, Well, he fired Comey.
Okay, let's listen to Comey's take on being fired in the president's right and ability to do so for any reason.
When I was appointed FBI director in 2013, I understood that I served at the pleasure of the president.
Even though I was appointed to a 10-year term, which Congress created in order to underscore the importance of the FBI being outside of politics and independent, I understood that I could be fired by a president for any reason or for no reason at all.
Any reason or no reason at all.
How's that obstruction, if that's the case with anybody?
And then you've got, of course, the biggest liar in Congress, Adam Schiff, who himself was caught on tape uh colluding with the Russians.
All right, we'll get all of this in here, and I'm gonna tell you what's at stake for you.
Well, what why does this matter to you?
It matters to you because your life now and in the minds of Democrats, you come secondary.
You're not their top prior priority item.
Their priority item is to bludgeon Trump, bloody him up so that they can get back power, and they'll spend the next two years doing that rather than do anything that's going to make the lives of the American people better.
What does that tell you about them?
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If you really read into this, what the Democrats are admitting here, and what they must feel about it here, is that Muller's not giving them what they want.
I mean, think, you know, one of the most aggressively anti-Trump Democrats, I guess many of them now, including, you know, Shifty Schiff, uh, who is, and I'll get to him in a little bit in the next half hour, but they're now giving up on Robert Mueller.
They don't think Mueller is giving them the impeachable evidence against Trump.
That which they have hoped and prayed for.
And Natler saying that his panel is we're now up to, I think, what, 80 Trump associates that are being subpoenaed and information request.
By the way, does does anybody care at all that if you work for the government, that your you get a subpoena.
Guess what is the next phone call you have to make?
Oh, you've got to hire a lawyer.
And those Washington, D.C. lawyers are not cheap.
And, you know, I'm convinced to this day, I don't know for sure that one of the reasons Hope Hicks left is she was probably paying more in lawyers' fees than she was ever making serving the country.
Nobody's ever gonna want to work in an administration if this is the atmosphere.
Anyway, so Natal actually said today that, well, we can't depend on the Mueller investigation for this.
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It's it's focused on specific crimes.
So what he's basically saying is we don't have any faith in this.
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So let me let me just go back and lay the foundation here again and just tell you what's happening.
Obviously, Democrats, and it's not just Nadler, as a strategy, have given up on the idea that the Mueller report is going to accomplish all that they have been saying it would accomplish the last two years.
Now, let me tell you what else is going to happen simultaneously.
They're all going to do this transition.
It's going to be Russia collusion, Russia collusion.
Oh, Trump finances.
Oh, Trump investigation.
Oh, they're never gonna go back and say that there was no collusion.
They're never going to admit they were wrong.
They're never gonna admit that they've been lying and knowingly so for all these years.
They're never gonna say, well, what did we miss?
That well, maybe guys like Hannity were right now that we now now that we know the general counsel, the FBI under Comey thought that Hillary should be indicted as it relates to the espionage act.
We have new evidence today and newly obtained testimony that in fact the DOJ under Loretta Lynch was all over that investigation.
In other words, that and and we now have congressional testimony from Baker, Prestep, Lisa Page, and it all showed from the very beginning.
This was in the Epic Times, that in fact the Department of Justice reached a decision much, much earlier that impacted the Hillary investigation than anybody knew about.
And they put a standard in place that is not the standard by law.
For Clinton to be prosecuted, the DOJ required something above the law, a standard that made it ten times more difficult to reach, and they did it to make sure that the candidate of choice was not indicted and charged as every other American would be.
Because for that to happen, you know, the statute was very explicit as it relates to gross negligence.
Remember, gross negligence was in the original exoneration being written in May before they investigated Hillary Clinton, and then they changed it to gross negligence.
I'm sorry, extreme carelessness.
Gross negligence is the legal statute.
So what they the new standard that we found out is that, according to this testimony, Lisa Page among them, is that they set it up that they had to be able to show intent.
Now these are the testimonies that were conducted last year behind closed doors, never publicly released, reviewed by the Epic Times, and Paige, who was Andy McCabe's special counsel during this time of this Clinton investigation, noted during her testimony that quote, everybody talks about this as if it were the FBI investigation.
She said the truth of the matter is there was not a single step other than the July 5th statement that Comey made on his own, because she was compromised, meaning Loretta Lynch, that not a single investigative step that we did not do in consultation with or at the direction of the Department of Justice.
Well, this was obviously being controlled from the highest levels of the Justice Department because the fix was in.
They didn't want to indict Hillary Clinton under any circumstances, though, even though it would have put every other American in jail.
One standard of justice for the Clintons, one for the rest of America.
And so what they did is they added uh this whole idea of intent.
They made intent a requirement.
Now, intent is a requirement of several statutes that the FBI was looking into, but intent was not specifically, uh, is specifically not a factor under the charge of gross negligence contained in 18 U.S. Code 793, which John Ratcliffe brought up in these closed door hearings.
When you talk about intent, that's certainly true under 1879, but it sounds like you just blew over gross negligence.
In other words, they met the standard.
The standard was there.
Page responds, well, we actually didn't blow it over.
In fact, the director, because on its face, it seemed like, well, maybe there's a potential here for this to be a charge.
We had multiple conversations with the Department of Justice about charging gross negligence.
And then she made clear that the DOJ decided that due to constitutional vagueness, a charge of gross negligence would not be supported without accompanying proof of intent.
So they added this whole other layer of legal standard that would make it, you know, how do how do you get into somebody's mind in terms of when they commit a crime?
It's sort of like a hate crime.
So I've never been a big supporter of hate crimes legislation in the sense that, you know, you charge the person for the violence they commit, the horror that they do, and make it significant enough that it would cover whatever intent was below.
You murder somebody, you murder somebody.
Does, you know, do you get a higher penalty based on what was in your mind at the time that you killed somebody?
It shouldn't be.
Remember, it became an issue, the James Byrd ad, the controversial ad in 2000.
You know, it was like my father was killed all over again.
Dragging death of an innocent man by these horror, you know, a horrible, brutal, evil act.
Now, George Bush, who was running for president at the time, supported the death penalty for that case, which is the right thing to do.
You don't, you don't murder people, but then he got criticized for not supporting the hate crime associated with it.
Well, if you get in the death penalty, it doesn't matter what you were thinking at the time of your evil com the evil that you committed.
And it very likely in that case was deep-rooted hatred and racism.
So this is now very interesting.
So everything we have told you, and the media will never get into, is true.
That they exonerated Hillary before they investigated Hillary.
Hillary violated the Espionage Act.
We know that the general counsel, that's the number one lawyer at the FBI, called Clinton's behavior alarming and appalling.
And these folks should have known that this is classified.
He basically was arguing that she should be tried.
That's the general counsel.
He had to get talked out of it, we now have discovered.
And on a side note, by the way, top FBI officials acknowledge the struck page affair, put the U.S. at a national security risk and did nothing at the time when they knew about it.
You know, the irony of all this is Hillary Clinton was complaining this weekend that the rule of law isn't being enforced.
Wow.
That that's that's rich coming from her.
And then beyond that, then if you're looking for Russian collusion, Hillary's foundation benefits 145 million in part because she joined people in allowing Russia to get a foothold in our uranium market.
We had an FBI spy, William Campbell reporting back bribery, extortion, kickbacks, money laundering, and still the deal was approved by the Cyphyus Board, of which Hillary had to sign off approval on.
The people involved at that deal kicked back 145 million.
Bill Clinton wanted to meet with the regulatory leaders of Russia at the time he was being paid triple the amount of money that he would normally be paid for a speech.
Didn't get to meet with them, but he did get to meet with Vladimir Putin at the time.
Wow, Donald Trump never met Putin up to the time he was president.
And wow, that kickback looks interesting.
And why would you ever give up 20% of uranium when we don't have enough uranium and we have to import uranium, the foundational materials for nuclear weapons?
And then about the Russian dossier that we now know she paid for.
We now know Bruce Orr warned everybody at the DOJ and the FBI at the upper ranks in August of 2016 that Hillary paid for it.
It's unverified, uncorroborated, and Steele hates Trump.
Well, Steele admitted under oath in an interrogatory in Great Britain.
He did no idea if any of this was true.
50-50, maybe.
Raw intelligence.
Well, that raw intelligence became the bulk of information for the Pfizer warrant, violating the constitutional rights of Carter Page, a Trump campaign associate, but opening an entire door into all things Trump and the Trump campaign, because that allows them.
Once they get in the door one way, they can go all through Trump's everything.
Then that same dossier is used to bludgeon Trump, Trump Russia collusion.
Well, that's now dying.
And Nadler and others are admitting pretty much it's dying.
And all of that is happening right before I. So now the new strategy is all right.
Well, that's not gonna work.
So you know what we're gonna do?
We're gonna do well.
Let's go to plan B. Plan B now is six to eight congressional committees, and all they're gonna do is bludgeon Trump every second, every minute, every hour of every day moving forward.
And they're they're not only doing it, you know, we got 80 people now subpoenaed.
Who's gonna pay their lawyers?
80 people records requests.
Why would anybody ever want to serve any president if this is the we're now we're now criminalizing political differences because what?
Mueller didn't give you what you want.
Now we're gonna we're gonna go into every other possible thing.
Just and we're gonna make it all public, and we're gonna basically make Michael Cohn of last week while the presidents in Vietnam will do that every day of every week.
And then we had the declaration by Gerald Nadler.
Oh, where he already obstructed justice.
Well, why have an investigation if you already know he did it?
But you have six to eight committees.
They're gonna put Donald Trump on public trial every single session that Congress is in now till November of 2020.
And Democrats are they thinking one bit about the economy?
You know, the trade deal accomplishments of the president.
He promised it's happening.
The end of the regulatory nightmares is stifling business creation in this country.
Five and a half million new jobs are created.
Do they care at all about Americans now that are getting off food stamps and getting back to work?
Is there any service to the American people?
600,000 manufacturing jobs, 304,000 jobs last month.
First time we've had a year of GDP growth at 3%.
You know, Obama never did it in eight years.
Unemployment below 4% for 18 months for eight months in 2018.
Prior to 2018, unemployment had fallen below 4% only five times since 1970.
Record low unemployment, African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, uh women in the workplace, youth unemployment, unemployment claims now have fallen to nearly a 50-year low under Trump.
You know, you've got businesses now thriving in the country.
And what what?
If so, what's this about for them?
Well, it's about one thing.
It's about accumulating power.
And the way they think they can best accumulate power so they can institute their new socialist dream on America is by, you know, death by a thousand cuts called investigation.
This is abuse of power on their part.
There's nothing that they're talking about that's going to serve the forgotten men and women in this country or create jobs or make this country a better place.
It's every second minute of hour of every single 24-hour day, every week, every month, every year.
So be the only president has been investigated every second of his presidency.
Listen to Adam Schiff that there's direct and circumstantial evidence of Trump Russia collusion.
We've been hearing this forever.
Have you seen, do you have direct evidence of collusion with Russia?
Well, I think there is direct evidence in the emails uh from the Russians uh through their intermediary, offering dirt on Hillary Clinton as part of what is described in writing as the Russian government effort to help elect Donald Trump.
Uh, they offer that dirt.
Uh, there is an acceptance of that offer in writing from the president's son, Don Jr.
Uh, and there's overt accent furtherance of that.
Uh, that is the meeting at Trump Tower and all the lies to cover up that meeting at the Trump Tower, and apparently lies that the president participated in.
That to me is direct evidence, but there's also abundant circumstantial evidence.
Well, let's go to let's go to real evidence.
Remember the call?
Adam Schiff, hoaxers.
He thinks he's talking to Russians, and he thinks he's getting dirt from Russians on Donald Trump.
He's colluding with Russians, and we've got the tape.
Listen.
Okay, and so Buzova met with Trump uh in in uh New York at some point after the 2013 misuniverse.
Uh yes.
Absolutely.
And she got uh compromising materials on trapped after their uh short relations.
Okay.
And what's the nature of the compromise?
Well, there were pictures of naked Trump.
Okay.
And so Putin was made aware uh of the availability of the compromising material?
Yes, of course.
Uh Buzawa shared those materials with uh Sobchek and Sobshak shares those materials with uh Putin because she's uh Goddaughter of Putin and Putin decided to press on Trump.
Um and the materials that you can provide to the committee or to the FBI, uh would they corroborate this allegation?
Sure, of course.
Uh when uh they were in Ukraine, we got their conversation by the phone where they're discussed uh those uh compromising materials we are ready to provide it to FBI.
So you you have recordings of both Sovchek and Buseva, uh where they're discussing the compromising material on uh Mr. Trump.
Absolutely.
Sounds like Russian collusion to me.
Doesn't that sound like Russian collusion, Ethan?
Linda?
Everyone's laughing.
Of course it is.
Imagine you had a tape of Trump saying, uh, what dirt do you have on Hillary?
Well, you got dirt on Hillary?
Give me the dirt on Hillary.
We want the dirt on what if it was just the opposite?
Such a bunch of hypocrites.
Look, America's gonna have to decide.
You know, you're gonna watch people that don't give a rip about the American people.
This is power.
This is their power.
This is the and if they get that power, we know the insane policies they've been advocating.
It'll destroy, absolutely destroy the greatest opportunity society ever created by given to man by God that has saved more lives that have advanced the human condition more uh than the United States of America.
It is a complete opposite of everything we have, and no, and would be on no cars, no we're gonna have high speed trains, everything.
The takeaway is the president has a long way to go on all this, unfortunately.
Because now the Southern District of New York is involved.
And involved if you listen to Michael Cohen quite heavily.
He said he's in constant contact with them, says he's discussing things that he believes is criminal conduct um on the part of the president with the Southern District is not allowed to talk about it.
Now we don't know whether that's actual substantive stuff or not, and we don't know what the Southern District is doing.
But Bob Mueller, I've said for nine months, is not the person to worry about.
The person to worry about, the people to worry about are the prosecutors in Manhattan.
Why is that?
Because they have no restriction on what they can look at.
Bob Muller has to stay within the four quarters of Russia.
In in Manhattan, they can look at his business, they can look at his personal life, they can look at the inaugural, which they're doing.
Uh they have no restrictions on what they can look at.
And they have two tour guides now, Todd.
They've got Michael Cohen and Rick Gates, the former executive director of the the inaugural, and his deputy campaign manager.
All right, hour two, Sean Hannity Show, 800 941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, that was uh former Jersey governor prosecutor in his own right, uh Chris Christie talking about uh beyond the Muller report.
Now we went through a list, you know, so that they are now beginning Act Two, and everything we predicted in the lead up to the election, Act Two is okay, we will we'll spend two years and we'll lie about Trump Russia collusion without any evidence.
The Mueller report will be a dud.
But let's go into every other aspect of Donald Trump's life.
Let's let's subpoena every single possible thing uh as it relates to his finances, as it relates to any charitable contribution that he might have been involved in.
Um none of the nothing is is out of bounds, out of place.
If it's not a witch hunt at some point, what else will you call it?
When you've got literally now people, Gerald Nadler in particular is what we've got eighty people subpoenaed in a day.
He's saying it's clear that the president obstructed justice.
He's saying one of the one part of the evidence is he fired Comey.
Okay, here's Comey himself saying that the president has the right to fire him.
When I was appointed FBI director in 2013, I understood that I served at the pleasure of the president.
Even though I was appointed to a 10-year term, which Congress created in order to underscore the importance of the FBI being outside of politics and independent.
I understood that I could be fired by a president for any reason or for no reason at all.
So Comey himself admits it.
Anyway, joining us now, John Sale.
He's a former federal prosecutor.
He served in the prestigious uh Southern District of New York, uh where he served as an assistant special Watergate prosecutor as well.
David Schoen is a civil liberties and criminal defense attorney.
Welcome uh both of you back to the program here.
Um let's start with uh the analysis of Chris Christie, John Sale, you know the Southern District of New York pretty well.
A lot of huge big name prosecutors have come out of there, probably the most prestigious in the country.
Uh, what did you think of Christie's comments?
Well, one thing, Sean, I will say almost everybody, if not everybody who is an alumni of the Southern District is proud of that office.
Uh but one part of the clip that you didn't have to do.
Andy McCy McCarthy's from there, uh and he ran the conviction of the blind shake, Rudy Giuliani's from out of there.
A lot of big names.
Uh well, one part of the uh clip you didn't play of Governor Christie was he went on to say that when he was U.S. attorney, he learned that they're also called the sovereign district of Day York.
And that's both good and bad.
But I think when I served in other U.S. attorneys' offices, I came to see that they really sometimes do their own thing.
They do not write reports.
So there has to be some concern.
But what I I'm concerned about is if you have reason to believe somebody committed a crime, you need to investigate it, and no one's above the law.
But if you don't start with that basis, if instead you say, here's an individual and we're going to look at everything he's done in his entire life, there's none of us, myself, probably you, Sean, everybody, or they might not find something in your entire life.
That's very dangerous, and you shouldn't target a person.
You need to just investigate real criminal activity.
And it is true that the Southern District is not bound by the uh any of those restrictions, and they don't write reports.
But let me just say one thing, and it has to do with Michael Cohn.
Uh I've heard a lot of legal analysts, local legal analysts say that, well, the president's an unindicted co-conspirator in the campaign finance violations.
Well, first of all, it's arguable whether or not those violate the criminal law.
But even if they do, it's a specific intent crime.
And if the what do they say is the corroboration for Michael Cohn, they sort of showed a check.
Well, if the president wrote a personal check to Michael Cohn, signed Donald T. Trump, that is no act of concealment.
Nobody engages in a conspiracy, trust me, by writing a personal check.
Well, I think that makes a good point as well.
Um Andy McCarthy going off about what happened in the hearings last week, David Schoen, I think, you know, pointed out something I believe for a long time, that all of this, you know, use of subpoena power and the Mueller, you know, two-year investigation,
and now the House quote oversight committee and Shifts Committee and the Intel committee, you know, that really more than anything else is to create a atmosphere in which Donald Trump is rendered unelectable by innuendo and by accusations.
That's absolutely right.
I mean, what would the purpose have been in calling Cohen last week, knowing that he's still cooperating with investigators, and so that he can't really be fully cross-examined?
It was just a force.
But you know, you mentioned earlier in the show, the Nadler uh committee now, uh Jerry Nadler's committee uh subpoena eight eighty people, etc.
Listen, we know now that that's driven by his so-called special counsel investigators, Eisen and Burke, uh, who he retained at taxpayer dollars.
They've written a hundred and sixty-eight-page document uh indict, convicting, and sentencing President Trump of obstruction of justice before they ever became so-called investigators.
They're social media posts all about how President Trump is guilty.
This is not an investigation, and it shouldn't be taxpayer dollars paying for so-called investigators.
They're absolute partisans, they have no business in this process.
And I also have a concern that since they have a private lawsuit going under the so-called emoluments clause against the president, a lawsuit that um that Eisen brought as the CEO of his organization, and that Burke was uh counsel in.
That case got dismissed, but they're cheering on the other emoluments clauses cases.
Are they going to use their position as uh professional investigators now for Congress to get discovery in their cases?
Oh, I think that's a great point, but as it relates to the uh obstruction investigation, um I'm not sure exactly what it is that they're referring to because uh and Andy pointed this out that there uh we as far as we know, John, there was no cooperation agreement as it relates to the Southern District of New York and Michael Cohn.
Um, is it feasible there's one that's going on without any formal agreement?
Uh would the is this something they would ask Michael Cohn not to do to not talk publicly about what might be an ongoing investigation?
Michael Cohn is on a book tour in order to sell his book.
I read in the New York Times about a week ago that Michael Cohn declined to enter into a cooperation agreement with the Southern District.
That is utter nonsense.
They would not give him one because he declined to talk about all of his own misdeeds and his long pattern of criminal activity, which had nothing to do with the president of the United States.
He's now trying to reduce his sentence and sell his books, and that's what this is all about.
And they were and they were particularly harsh in their second sentencing recommendation versus Mueller, who was less harsh.
Right, but not only were they harsh in that, in their sentencing memo, the Southern District said that it was not blind loyalty, but it was years-long pattern of his own deception, and he always attempted to minimize his own conduct.
That's the Southern District talking about Michael Cohen.
So he is a star witness for nobody.
Remember this vitally important.
Under Rule 35 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, the government and only the government can make a motion to the court to reduce Michael Cohen's sentence all the way to zero.
That's what he's working off of now.
That motion has to be made within a year of his sentence, so he's in a hurry, or if they can't use that information until after the year passes, they can make the motion then.
But remember, he doesn't even want to have to show up in Otisville, let alone spend a long time there.
So with or without a cooperation agreement, they have the unilateral right to make a motion asking the court to take his sentence down to zero.
And he is you can be sure he's working as hard as he can.
But what about the ethical considerations?
There is no prosecutor there.
John Sales certainly would not have taken at the time um unethical uh information from a lawyer.
Remember, there may be a waiver from the so-called crime fraud exception, but that's not a blanket waiver about everything Trump and his attorney Cohen discussed.
Secondly, Cohen has continuing duties of loyalty to his client, whether he likes the client or not any further.
And so he is there.
Wait a minute, but that's all gone.
I mean, if he again, any attorney client privilege here has been blown to smithereens, correct?
Well, it may be that Cohen has blown it, and there may be a waiver as to some of their discussions, but that doesn't give Cohen the right, and it certainly doesn't give the prosecutors the right to take that information.
Well, that's a good point.
Because we don't know of any crime fraud exception, John.
I've got to believe that the the president's is the one that would have to waive attorney client privilege, and there's no indication at all that he did here.
Well, only the pre only the client can wave.
But remember, they they Cohn tries to compare himself, at least his public relations people, to John Dean, and there could be no less apt uh comparison.
John Dean, who was the lawyer, unbeknownst to him, was being taped.
Michael Cohn, the lawyer, was selectively taping his own client.
Why on earth, a year or two ago, was he taping his own client?
There's no jurisdiction in the country that wouldn't take away his license just for doing that.
Let me point out some words of Lynn Patton.
Uh and remember her name came up in the hearing last week.
Many of you already know that I considered Michael Cohn to be one of my very best friends.
Countless people can confirm we were virtually inseparable during my employment at Trump, and that he is single-handedly responsible for introducing me to the Trump family and effectively changing my life.
I'd be lying if I didn't admit that my heart still breaks for him and for his family with whom I had grown extremely close.
What many of you may not be aware of is the fact that I can personally confirm that the only person Michael Cohn turned on, the president of the United States is because Mueller threatened to throw his wife in jail for up to 30 years, period.
So she is the co-guaranteer of the 20 million dollar personal loan that Mueller discovered that Michael secured back in 2015 by falsely inflating the value of his taxi medallions, effectively making statements to the financial institution.
Now, this goes to the heart, and I want to ask John first, and then our criminal defense attorney second.
One thing that bothers me about this whole process is these threats that are made to people.
You know, like uh General Flynn goes bankrupt and they're telling him that well, if you don't sign this agreement about lying to the FBI, even though the FBI didn't didn't think at the time you lied to them, um, we're gonna go after your son.
We're gonna go after your wife in this particular case, assuming everything Lynn is saying here is true.
Um, are you giving you'll get a reduced sentence, you'll get a get out of jail free card if you say what we want you to say, which Jerome Corsey was saying, they were asking him to say things.
Um I have a problem with this, John.
That you're basically offering if you offer somebody a get out of jail free card just to say what they want you to say, you're bribing them.
Well, just for the record, I am I am a criminal defense lawyer, and the only reason I say that I'm saying it tongue in cheek.
Well, in your former in your former j job as a federal prosecutor, it seems that you're giving something of you know, somebody's freedom, you can't put a price on it.
No, no, I no, I just want to say I don't want my clients to think that I'm a sole prosecutor.
Uh but no, the seriously, the real answer is I see it every day.
And the scary part about it is it's tempting.
It's tempting to say what the prosecutors want to hear because you want to save your own skin, you want to save your family.
And it's something in our whole system.
We it's we're talking about it because it involves the president, but let's not put us let's put aside the president for a minute.
It could happen to any one of us if prosecutor wants to target us.
It's dangerous, and the system should be re-examined so that that incentive to lie is taken away.
Yeah.
Um, David, we'll get your reaction on that when we get back.
Uh quick break more with John Sale, former federal prosecutor, having served himself in the New York Southern District, and assistant special watergate prosecutor, David Schoen, criminal and civil defense attorney.
All right, as we continue, Sean Hannity.
Shall we uh continue on now with the fallout, Michael Cohn's testimony, and now the endless, but yeah, I predicted all of it.
Investigation subpoenas nonstop by a party obsessed with destroying a duly elected president.
They're not obsessed about doing their job, which is serving the American people, as evidenced by the 80 subpoenas and document requests that went out today by Jerry Nadler and you know, Shifty Schiff and all that his nonsense.
He's basically wants to redo the Mueller investigation because they're not gonna get the result that they want.
John Sail David Schoen is with us.
You know, this thing of value the prosecutors offer uh individuals that that they've gotten in their net.
For example, well, I'm just gonna go after your wife.
I'm just gonna go after your kids.
Uh well, listen, I'll recommend no jail time if you cooperate and tell us A, B, or C about this person.
In the case, you know, it gets serious when you're offering something of value like freedom if it's the president of the United States, David Schoen.
Well, consider the imbalance all around.
Besides the fact that the government has all of the resources on its side in the first place and unlimited time to investigate.
In this case, the it's the government that decides whether the defendant, uh now a cooperating witness, is telling the truth.
Only the government.
So if that witness tells the truth, the government wants to be the truth, then that person gets the benefit and the threat is removed.
Otherwise, they're still under that threat.
This is a common threat, and especially by a person like Andrew Weissman, who's made a career out of threatening other family members.
Some courts in the past have tried to cut back on this kind of thing, but but it hasn't worked.
So think about it.
If a defendant or defense lawyer tries to talk to a witness, the government doesn't want him or her to talk to, that can be called obstruction of justice.
It's un uneven playing field all around.
All right, I want to thank you both.
Uh John Sail, David Schoen, uh, thank you for being with us.
When we come back, Eric Bowling checks in.
We'll talk about the news of the day.
He is in Vegas.
He has another opioid summit with the first lady.
We'll talk about that much more.
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When I see these people, and they're good people, some senators mostly.
I tell you, the House has been fantastic.
The House, the you know, backing we've had from the House has really been, I'm talking about in the last short period of time.
There's a lot of spirit in the House.
And I think in the Senate, too, but we're gonna have to see because we have a vote coming up.
And a lot of people talk about precedent.
Precedent.
That if we do this, the Democrats will use national emergency powers for something that we don't want.
They're gonna do that anyway, folks.
The best way to stop that is to make sure that I win the election.
That's the best way to stop that.
They're going to do it anyway.
I watch some good people.
They're friends of mine.
We're very concerned with setting precedent.
That's precedent, not president.
President.
We're very concerned about setting precedent.
I'm very concerned with having murderers and drug traffickers and drugs and drug cartels pouring into our country.
That's what I'm concerned about.
And the Democrats, they're going to do whatever they do if they get into power.
And it won't have a damn thing to do with whether or not we approve our national emergency.
Because let me tell you, they don't like it when I say it.
But we are being invaded.
We're being invaded by drugs, by people, by criminals, and we have to stop it.
And we want people to come in, as I said before, but they have to come in legally and with merit.
Previous presidents have used their national emergency power to promote democratic elections in Belarus to ensure political stability in Burundi and to defend the sovereignty of Lebanon.
And you know what?
That's okay, Lebanon.
It's good, fine.
Use it.
But we need it right here in our country.
We have to use it for our country.
Many emergency declarations have been used to protect people in faraway nations and distant lands.
Now we are protecting finally our people.
That was the president in what became a marathon speech for him over two hours at CPAC over the weekend.
Glad you're with us back in New York, by the way.
800-941 Sean, toll-free telephone number.
want to be a part of the program uh Hannity tonight we got a great show nine eastern on the Fox News channel uh You know, all the things the Democrats say they wanted.
Eric Bowling is joining us, CRTV, and uh he's gonna tell us about an upcoming opioid event that he has uh with the first lady.
Uh the president pointing out, yeah, that too is a real emergency, all connected to the open borders problem we have.
Um you watch the president, the president only wants to solve problems.
Now we've got a list of mile-long of subpoenas, endless reckless investigation, the things they supported, like border control and building walls and DACA and Dreamers.
And I thought they cared about me too and allegations of sexual assault uh people to be believed, but not if you're the lieutenant governor of Virginia.
A lot of phoniness on their part, Eric Bowling.
Sean, thank you so much for bringing me back on.
That was an amazing two-hour speech.
He the President Trump was in his element.
He enjoyed that crowd, conservative, young conservative crowd.
And you know what was really impressive is how much they enjoyed him too.
It was it was just masterful.
I mean, I you know what?
Yesterday proved that speech shows exactly why Donald Trump is President Trump.
He just relates to people and they relate to him as well.
I'm just I was I was thrilled with that speech.
And and frankly, I was thrilled with his his message to those young people on on drugs and opioids and fentanyl, which is which is killing too many of us and too many of them.
You know, the sad thing is I know this has now become a passion in your life after what happened to your son.
Um, and uh he was a victim of this.
And you've been doing a series now of these town halls, including I think the first lady and most of them, uh, I believe Becky and Jerry Falwell Jr. have been a big part of it as well.
And also other family members that you have run into along the way, and their kids are dying because of these drugs that are crossing the southern border, fentanyl number one and 90% of our heroine number two.
How that is not a national emergency.
Uh you know, that in and of itself, forgetting the the homicide numbers and the sexual assault numbers and the you know, just basic assault numbers.
So, Sean, we started this in November, end of November of last year, and the first lady uh kicked it off with us at Liberty University.
It's fantastic.
Um we went to Asheville right after that, and we did another one and we got a call the next day after the Asheville um town hall.
We're going around the country and a lady called us and said, I watched the program last night.
You saved my life.
I watched it and I changed my life around, turned my life around.
And it for that moment I think the first lady was just really struck by it.
She is gonna be tomorrow, just to let people know, this is really important.
We're in Las Vegas right now.
I'm on a stage, a Las Vegas stage right now, um, at the Westgate Theater, and she's going to be the first 20 minutes of an hour show that's open to the public.
She is gracious enough to open the doors to this place and say, Come, let's talk about opioids because it's a big part of her be best initiative.
Um and so we we want to make sure everyone knows about the event, but also comes out, Sean, because it's free.
It's open to the public at Westgate tomorrow at one Las Vegas time.
It's really been uh amazing working with her.
I will tell your audience one other thing.
I've called Sean Hannity a handful of times and said, Sean, you know, I lost my son.
My son died of an accident.
By the way, son was Chase.
He was a great kid.
Um, really was not a big drug user at all.
He had bought a Xanax, which is an anxiety reducing medication.
It's you know, usually prescribed, and he bought it somewhere else than having it prescribed from a doctor, and it ended up being laced with fentanyl.
Um and and he passed that night, and I I've I've spent the last year and a half grieving, crying, uh, reliving the tragedy.
But I call Sean Hannity a handful of times and Sean, we're we're doing a town hall and we're trying to get the awareness out there and save some lives.
And and Sean says, absolutely no problem.
Here's the time for you to come and talk about.
So Sean, believe it or not, you're you're absolutely part of what's saving lives in America.
Listen, Eric, this is too serious.
One of the things you always say, and I've watched you in interviews and speeches and on your own show, you always say, Don't think it can't happen to you.
And you know, when we're losing 300 kids on average a week from this stuff, and we we have first we gotta start with prescription drugs.
I don't have a problem with prescription drugs, and I know some people have horrible pain, and there's ways to alleviate pain.
And there is a place for opioids.
There's a place for Vicodimperkus at OxyContin.
I've never taken one of those pills in my life.
They scare the crap out of me because I know I know too many professional adults that have gotten addicted, but then they leave it in their medicine cabinet.
They take the two, three pills, they get over the heart the the hump of the real pain, and they don't want to take anymore, most people tell me.
But if they leave it there, then their kids get a hold of it.
Next thing they know is they're addicted, then they're out on the streets, they're paying eighty bucks a pill, and then they find out that the high is even greater if you try heroin, and the next thing you know, instead of eighty bucks a pill, they're paying ten bucks a bag, and God only knows what's in that thing.
Yeah, so so let me just so you said 300 kids a week are dying.
It's it's honestly it's far worse than that.
It's it's about 200 a day.
It's 200 a day, Sean.
It's like driving flying a plane into a mountain every single day and everyone dying on board.
So I'm here, you know, Fox host.
I've written two best-selling books.
I'm here at Dave uh David Siegel owns this place called the Westgate in Las Vegas, used to be the Hilton, and um he lost his 21-year-old daughter to uh to an overdose as well.
And and so you the point you make is it can happen to you too.
You can absolutely happen to anyone.
Um since I've gotten involved in this, Sean, I can't believe how many people have come up to me and said, you know, when I heard about it, I thought of you immediately go to heroin or some some awful thing like that, or a needle in someone's arm.
But it's really it's the crisis next door.
So many people know someone who either died of an overdose or is struggling and they're worried about them dying, or if it's a family member, friend, it doesn't matter your socioeconomic physician, how rich you are, poor you're gay, stray, white, black, male, female, athlete, not you're gonna get touched by it.
And it it's a national epidemic, and and thank God uh uh the first lady, the the White House, and and and people like you, Sean, are are helping the the cause.
You know, I don't understand I don't understand, and and then maybe this goes to the heart of what we're watching.
I laid out earlier in the program what is a roadmap to waste everybody's time.
Now that it appears their Trump Russia collusion two uh out two-year conspiracy theory lie is falling apart of its own weight.
Well, now they're just gonna get into well, the president did this, and let's see the president's taxes, and let's go on a fishing expedition.
And you know, now they're subpoenaing sending out subpoenas to basically everybody, and let's throw up, you know, let's wet some paper, throw it up against the wall and see what might stick at some point.
as we continue, Eric Bowling has this opioid summit with the first lady tomorrow.
It's at the uh Westgate Vegas Resort and Casino.
As uh we continue now with Eric.
One of the major reasons I support the president's emergency declaration on the wall is to stop these drugs from coming across our borders.
You know, every small town, every small city, every big city is now dealing with this problem, and we'll we're losing too much of our nation's treasure in, you know, all over the country.
It's gotta stop.
This is something that is preventable.
Yeah, the it it's it's preventable.
It's certainly able to be um um certainly made better, and and absolutely the first line has to be stop the the flow.
And as you pointed out earlier, ninety percent of the heroin and some of the most dangerous opioids on on the face of the planet, ninety percent of that whole volume comes through our southern border to be distributed in the United States.
That is just insanity.
We consume ninety percent of the world's most deadliest drugs here, and the vast majority of that comes through our southern border.
Are you gonna stop it all?
No, but if you stop some, guess what you're gonna do?
You're gonna save some lives.
Period.
It's just it's just it's straight arithmetic.
Listen, you know, I I don't know.
I mean, I I know a lot of people more than I'd like to know that have lost kids, and a lot of them never recover.
And I've watched you go through this process.
Obviously, there's not a day you you open your eyes and you don't think about what happened with Chase.
While you're helping others save lives, I I in some ways it's gotta be somewhat therapeutic for you to know that well, I'm gonna try and prevent other parents from going through the horror and the pain and the misery that I've been through and I live with every day.
It's not I wish it were therapeutic, but I I will tell you we've done about ten of these town halls, Sean, and then you know, you gotta go out on the road and promote them a little bit before to make sure people are aware of it because the more awareness is better.
But every single time it's like ripping my chest open and pulling my my heart heart out of the front of my body to recount the story of the night that Adrian and I were received that call that every parent's uh basically every parent's nightmare.
Um you were on the road, you were driving, and you got a call from a friend of your son's.
My my my son's friend was was Kaylee, and and she's crying and and she's in and and I recognize the number and and um I for some reason the only thing I said to Kaylee at the time was is he still alive?
And she said no, and as my wife heard it was on speakerphone, she literally opened the car door and stopped, and she's fell onto the roadway crying.
Um and I had to go and pick her up and gather her, and we live Sean.
We sat at the roadside on a curb for two hours crying.
So, before I get too emotional, uh we want everyone to you know, Sinclair's broadcasting this.
This is gonna be phenomenal around the country, all our all our stations, but come on out, it's free, it's open to the public.
Just come out one P.M. uh Las Vegas Time Local at the West Westgate uh arena.
So it's at the Westgate Vegas Resort and Casino that's on 3000 uh Paradise Road in Vegas.
It's well known what's going to be there.
Now I know the first lady will be there.
Wayne Newton, I understand, is going.
Jerry Falwell and Becky Falwell will be there, uh, is my understanding.
It's free.
Uh-huh.
Um and it's for the first 1,500 people, I guess, to confirm or to just show up.
To show up.
Just come on up, just show up.
You know, the doors will be Secret Service uh will be here, but just show up.
And the DEA administrator flew in for this too.
Um, you know, and they'll talk about some of the things that they want to do.
So it's it's a it's a it's a big event.
You know, it's a big event.
We really we hope a lot of people show uh you know, show support for the first lady because it, you know, she's a very busy person for her to take time out of her her schedule and her be best initiative to come and you know talk to people and and she realizes how how big uh uh of an issue this is, and so let's support her too by like getting a big big crowd, big pro-Trump crowd.
Well, listen, Eric, I love you for what you're doing.
Um you're a dear friend, and uh no parent, as you said, this can happen to anybody, and every parent needs to know this.
And it but I I know it's every parent's fear because I have too many friends and we all have kids and we're all scared to death, and it gets worse as they get older.
And you know, then you send them off to college, then you're you're really nervous.
And uh I what you are describing, everyone has to take seriously because this is happening.
So it's at the Vegas um Westgate Vegas Resort Casino, and it's tomorrow, one p.m. local time, four PM on the East Coast time.
Uh the first lady will be there, of course, Eric will be there, Jerry and Becky Falwell will be there, uh, and others, Wayne Newton.
Um, tell him I said hello, haven't talked to him in a while, okay?
And our very best.
And I hope a lot of people.
A good, good pro-Trump conservative who happens to be, you know, Mr. Vegas for 50 years.
He's seen the and I wanted to bring him on because that's awesome.
He's a good man.
All right, so are you.
Eric uh bowling.
Thanks for being with us.
800 941 Sean, toll-free telephone number.
You don't think that's a natural uh national emergency?
Try and live through that.
You know, and everybody listening to my voice right now, you know somebody that's had to deal with this.
You know somebody that is in the grips of addiction, some type of addiction.
We all know somebody like that.
Stay right here for our final news roundup and information overload.
Does the Green New Deal go too far?
No.
You cannot go too far on the issue of climate change.
The future of the planet is at stake.
Okay.
We have, according to the best scientists in the world, we have 12 years to begin substantially cutting carbon emissions before there will be irreparable damage to the planet.
And when I look at what's happening on the other side, I encourage it.
I say, no, no, I think the New Green Deal, or whatever the hell they call it.
That's terrible.
The Green New Deal, right?
Green New Deal.
I encourage it.
I think that I think it's really something that they should promote.
They should work hard on.
It's something our country needs desperately.
They have to go out and get it.
But I'll take the other side of that argument only because I'm mandated to.
I mean it.
But they should stay with that argument.
Never change.
No planes, no energy.
When the wind stops blowing, that's the end of your electric.
Let's hurry up.
Darling.
Darling, is the wind blowing today?
I'd like to watch television, darling.
You can just see how cathartic that that two-hour plus speech is as it relates to the president, 800 941 Sean, toll-free telephone number, you want to be a part of the program.
Uh there's just no end to, you know, the it's just no end to any of this.
You know, the fact that there's so many Democrats that bought into this, it is easy to laugh at the idea that we are going to get rid of oil and gas.
It's funny to laugh at the idea that we're going to get rid of cars as we know it with plug-in stations everywhere.
That the idea, we might not be able to do it in 10 years, but in 10 years, we're going to be off all natural gas and oil, the lifeblood of our economy.
We're going to transition off of that.
And in the meantime, too, we're we're working to get rid of airplanes and cows because of the flatulence and the impact of the CO2 gases.
It's funny, but they're serious.
You know, I'm watching last night on 60 Minutes.
Of course, the extension of all things socialist democratic extremists.
And they've got uh a kid that's 11 years old, actually a very sweet kid.
I mean, and I understand you know, people have their points of view and they tell their kids about it, and their kids, you know, tend to adopt the value system of their parents and you know, suing the federal government.
We'll see how far that lawsuit goes, but it's been going on for I think four years, if I remember, I was half on the phone most of the time.
But so I'm watching this and I'm like, oh, I get it.
Let's push the new Green Deal and let's try and indoctrinate every American into the idea that we're gonna do this regardless of anything the rest of the world does, even though we have done more than any other country to eliminate CO2 gases uh from and clean our air than any other place on earth.
You should see people in Vietnam when I was there last week.
What were they doing?
They all had masks on.
The air quality is atrocious there.
Same in China.
People are wearing masks everywhere.
Um, And as the rest of the world will stay on the lifeblood of their economy, gas and oil, the these this fantasy that we're going to have high speed trains and no cars and no combustion engine and no more gasoline is an economic disaster.
Well, simultaneously, we're going to offer everybody everything for free.
But while they push the fantasy on the one side, they're bludgeting Trump on the other side.
And this is now become 24-7 hate Trump, conspiracy to conspiracy to conspiracy theory.
And it looks like as the Mueller report winds down, they ratchet up.
Here come the subpoenas.
Here come the document requests on the same topics, the same issues, and expand it out as far as possible with as wide as net a possible, all in an attempt to bludgeon this president.
How does any of this serve the American people?
And when you start looking at it from the perspective, well, what are we going to stop here?
You know, I'm reading Axios from earlier today, and they're giving away their entire agenda.
They they worry impeachment proceedings map may backfire if they move too fast.
So they were planning now to pursue a slow bleed strategy, lengthy, non-ending Michael Cohn days, public hearings, scores of witnesses to pick apart President Trump's finances now, post the failed Russia collusion narrative that they're pretty much confident isn't gonna happen, which means they knew the whole time that it wasn't gonna happen.
Anyway, so they'll begin an investigation, they'll coordinate it among six to eight House committees, and Trump will essentially be on public trial for the next two years leading up to the next election cycle, you know, and and spending every second,
every minute, every hour of his presidency having to also deal with this crap on the side and meeting with lawyers every day and strategizing, uh, abuse of power, obstruction of justice, c conflicts of interest, and it money laundering.
What do you mean money laundering?
And this is what they want to do.
They want they're stating this.
They want a large, damning public record of testimony, documents, investigative reports that they'll be leaking out every day anyway, and because they know that Pelosi and other top Democrats don't want to take up impeachment if it's going to go nowhere in the Republican controlled Senate.
So now it's a death by a thousand cut strategy.
So with massive amounts of time and energy and resources, they're not serving the American people at all.
You know, one House leadership figure quoted to say many in leadership believe impeachment can help Trump get re-elected.
Instead, we're gonna pivot the anger to defeating him on the campaign side next year, and the last thing we want to do is help Trump like it eventually helped Clinton.
Okay, but that doesn't factor in the new radicals in their party.
So they're opening, you know, any area of of possible investigation into Donald Trump's life.
And that means the White House is not gonna cooperate with any of this, nor should they cooperate with any of this.
This isn't oversight.
This is a fishing expedition.
This isn't serving the American people, this is serving themselves.
This is all done so they can regain political power.
This is all done at the cost of all of the president's success that he has had in just two years.
You know, look at the economy alone.
You know, five point five million new jobs created.
You know, look at last month, 304,000 jobs created, you know, 3% GDP over the last four quarters, job openings exceeding the number of unemployed people for the first time.
We have more jobs than we have people unemployed.
Unemployment below 4% for eight straight months in 2018.
You know, prior to that, unemployment had fallen below 4% only five times since the 70s.
Then of course, break it down demographically.
African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, unemployment rates falling to, you know, record lows in 2018.
Unemployment insurance claimed, you know, falling to a near 50-year low under President Trump.
President has brought back manufacturing jobs that were never Ever coming back, like 700,000 of them.
You know, it's it's a massive economic turnaround, and the people that have and are benefiting the most are those Americans that were left behind in the Obama years.
Why?
Because we see millions leaving the food stamp lines and millions leaving the poverty uh roles and now getting jobs and now improving their lives, which is good for everybody.
Business is now thriving.
It's now become a business-friendly country again.
Although, you know, I've got to believe in the back of the minds of some of these business people that are thinking, all right, that's good for now.
What's going to happen if Trump leaves one day?
We're going to go to the new Green Deal and destroy all industry, all business.
Because that's what they're proposing.
And I can tell you predictably what's going to happen if that ever occurs.
They're all going to leave.
Not just California, New York, and New Jersey.
They're going to leave the United States and they're going to build their businesses in more friendly countries.
And they'll create the jobs and the economic opportunity there.
You know, you get rid of 12 regulations for every new one we took in in 2018, surpassing the president's pledge to cut two regulations for every new one.
$33 billion in net regulatory savings because we're not regulating businesses to death.
You see, workers seeing the largest nominal year-over-year wage growth in nearly a decade.
And for, you know, the African Americans, Hispanic Americans, their poverty rates have now hit an all-time low.
More than six million workers got bonuses, pay raises, increased benefits in response to President Trump's tax cuts.
The average family of four earning $75,000 will keep $2,000 more of its own money.
They're not that happy with it all.
Why should they be?
But why have all the other states that don't elect socialist redistribution big spending governors like Cuomo in New York?
You know, why should those states subsidize the tax benefit that only benefits people that get taxed in their states?
Let's force the people in these states to elect people that have low taxes, better infrastructure, better governance, less redistribution.
I'll end up paying more, but it's not the president's fault.
You know, I don't think people in Florida, Tennessee, and Texas ought to be subsidizing the fact that I was up to this year allowed to deduct my state and city and local taxes.
Because they don't have that problem in those states because they elect smart people that don't bring state income tax into play.
And as a result, they're gaining population every year by hundreds of thousands and all these high-taxed, highly regulated states, New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut, they're losing population, tens and tens of thousands every year.
The New York governor complaining about $2.3 billion in a shortfall for the state coffers this year.
Well, if you'd allow fracking on upstate New York, you could probably eliminate the state income tax in New York, create hundreds of thousands of high-paying career jobs for people, revitalize a part of New York that has been economically depressed now for decades, and also add to the energy boom that that New York is being kept out of for no other reason except um, well, the governor decides he doesn't like it.
By the way, we have new information as it relates to the deep state as a long, lengthy expose by Epic and I the Epic Times, and I thought it was pretty interesting.
And it shows that newly obtained uh congressional testimony by former top FBI officials, Baker Precept Lisa Page shows that early on in the FBI's investigation of Hillary's unsecured email server, that the Obama DOJ issued an edict that virtually guaranteed that Clinton would never be prosecuted.
And what they managed to get their hands on behind closed doors is these accounts from Baker, prep, and Page, and it shows the lengths to which Loretta Lynch's DOJ went to make sure that Hillary would never be charged.
And early in the Clinton email case, the Department of Justice reached a decision that would have far-reaching implications in the FBI's investigation into the Clinton use of this private server.
The Justice Department under Loretta Lynch decided to set An unusually high threshold for prosecution of Clinton, which pretty much ensured from the outset that nothing was ever bad going to happen for her to be prosecuted.
The DOJ required the FBI establish evidence of intent, even though the gross negligence statute explicitly does not require this.
So she's rewriting the laws on her own.
And that means the FBI would have needed to find a smoking gun like an email or an admission made during an FBI questioning revealing that Clinton and her aides knowingly set up the private email server to send classified information.
Well, of course they did it knowingly anyway.
They knew what they were doing.
They didn't want congressional oversight.
And the testimonies were conducted last year behind closed doors.
They haven't publicly been released, but they were reviewed for this article.
Lisa Page, the FBI lawyer friend of Peter Strzok, was the special counsel to the deputy FBI director Andy McCabe during the time that the Clinton investigation was going on, noted during her testimony in July of 2018 that the DOJ was intimately involved in the investigation.
She said everybody talks about this as if it was the FBI investigation, and the truth of the matter is there was not a single step other than the July 5th statement.
There was not a single investigative step that we did not do in consultation with or at the direction of the Justice Department.
That's pretty damning to me.
And former FBI Director Comey also hinted at the influence exerted by the DOJ over the Clinton investigation in his July recommendation, stating that there are obvious considerations like the strength of evidence, especially regarding intent.
So he took the exact words of uh of the then the Attorney General, Loretta Lynch.
Remember, it's a matter.
He took that, and he didn't look at that as some type of obstruction, only something President Trump could do.
Now intent is a requirement of a federal statute that uh the FBI was looking into, but specifically you know, is not a factor under the charge of gross negligence.
U.S. Code 793, a fact that was brought up by John Ratcliffe during Paige's testimony, because Ratcliffe said, okay, I think when you talk about intent, that's certainly true under Part 1879 F, but it sounds like you all just blew over gross negligence.
A charging her was not appropriate because we could not establish a beyond a reasonable doubt.
We the government could not establish beyond a reasonable doubt that she had the intent.
Of course she had the intent.
And they knew she had the intent.
And the problem is is that the intent is was just out there.
We'll do everything we can to get whatever evidence.
Um we are starting this investigation.
Uh we will uh tomorrow we will be uh issuing document requests to over 60 different people and individuals uh uh from the White House uh to the Department of Justice, Donald Trump Jr., Alan Weiselberg, uh, to begin the investigations to present the case to American people about uh that obstruction of justice, uh, corruption and uh uh abuse of power.
So that would include John Kelly, the former chief of staff, Don McGone, the former White House counsel.
I would imagine.
I mean, I don't have the list in front of me, but we will be releasing the list tomorrow of over sixty entities, people, et cetera.
How about if Robert Muller comes back and says definitively uh we find no collusion by President Trump?
Is that a conclusion you'll accept?
Well, we'd want to see the evidence behind that and uh and then and and and see the validity of that, and we could agree or disagree.
Uh, but this investigation goes far beyond collusion.
Uh, we've seen uh all the democratic norms that we depend on for democratic government attacked by the administration.
Uh we've seen attacks on the freedom of the press, the enemy the press called uh the enemy of the people.
We've seen attacks on the Department of Justice, attacks on the FBI, attacks on on judges.
All of these are very corrosive uh to liberty and to the proper functioning of government into our constitutional system.
All this has has to be looked at and the facts laid out for the American people.
Do you think the president of structured justice?
Yes, I do.
It's very clear that the president structured justice.
It's very clear.
Uh 1100 times he referred to the Moe investigation as a witch hunt.
He tried to he f he fired uh uh he tried to protect uh Flynn from being uh investigated by the by the FBI.
He fired Comey in order to stop the Russian thing, as he told uh NBC News.
He uh he's dangled part he's threatened, he's intimidated witnesses in public.
If that's the case, then is the decision not to pursue impeachment right now simply political if you believe he instructed justice?
No.
Uh we have to we have to we have to do the investigations and get all this.
We we do not now have uh uh the evidence all all sorted out and everything to to do in it to to do an impeachment.
Before you impeach somebody, you have to persuade the American public that it ought to happen.
You have to persuade enough of the opposite of the opposition party voters or the Trump voters, uh, that you're not just trying to very high bar.
Yeah, it is a very high bar.
You're not just trying to steal the last electron to reverse the results of the last election.
We may or may not get there.
Uh uh but but what we have to do is protect the rule of law.
Have you seen, do you have direct evidence of collusion with Russia?
Well, I think there is direct evidence in the emails uh from the Russians uh through their intermediary, offering dirt on Hillary Clinton as part of what is described in writing as the Russian government effort to help elect Donald Trump.
Uh they offer that dirt.
Uh there is an acceptance of that offer in writing from the president's son, Don Jr.
Uh and there's overt accent furtherance of that.
Uh that is the meeting at Trump Tower and all the lies to cover up that meeting at the Trump Tower, and apparently lies that the president participated in.
That to me is direct evidence, but there's also abundant circumstantial evidence.
All right, so first you heard on uh Gerald Nadler, 60 document requests, now up to over 80 to Trump people organizations.
Uh the investigation goes far beyond conclusion uh c collusion, uh obstructing just as he fired Comey, which even Comey admitted he had the right to do.
You know, and then we got Adam Schiff, he's doing his thing.
There's a direct circumstantial evidence on Trump Russia collusion.
It's never gonna end.
Bludgeon, bludgeon, bludgeon, but don't do your job and serve the American people.
They don't care.
And why not what are they what are they looking for here?
What is the goal here for them?
The goal is to beat batter, bludgeon, and bloody as best they can politically to try to make the president unelectable at a minimum and and try to put together some whatever anything that that might stick so that they can impeach the president.
They don't care about you.
They do not care one whit about the American people.
They're not serving the American people in this.
They weren't a part of Trump's success.
They're threatened by it.
They just want their power back.
And if they get it, telling us what they're gonna do with it.
And if they do that, that's horrible for the country.
And as we've been discussing.
All right, let's get to our phones.
As we say hi to Victoria's in Florida today.
Victoria, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
I just wanted to uh um call and let you know, as a former liberal Democrat from New Jersey, I now live in Florida, and I have to honestly say you've opened my eyes.
I am sincerely disgusted with the Democratic Party.
I I feel like totally dismayed.
I can't even I'm just angry about it.
And everything that you just said a moment ago, I totally agree with.
I had to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt when he first got elected, but hey, he's done an awesome job.
He's put his money where his mouth is, and I am so proud of him.
And I will vote for him next year, plain and simple.
Now what what made you not like him and what makes you now like him?
Well, you know, his pre-well, before, you know, before he became the presidential nominee, um, it was more like you know, he was just very arrogant on the TV shows, the way he was depicted and all that stuff like that.
And then I'm like, well, you know, he's a business guy.
Maybe it's just all about business.
But then when he started saying what he felt and putting his actions where his mouth is, I was like, wow, these Democrats don't want to do that.
They just want to keep their paychecks and they don't want to do anything.
You know what I mean?
So I I don't know.
I just thoug you I have to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
That's just me.
And ever since then I started liking him more, man.
You know, look, I will say this.
The guy's fighting to keep the country's better off.
The country is better off in uh, you know, so many different ways, it is um pretty astounding.
You know, it's why I'm a conservative, to be honest, Victoria, is because I've always known conservatism works.
You know, all these people in the press, I guess, jealous of the fact that I support the president, and they can't believe I support the president.
And yet this these policies of energy independence, less burdensome regulation, low taxes, looking out for the forgotten men and women.
That's all I talk about.
That's all I care about.
That's what drives me.
Keeping America safe and secure, border security, you know, getting us uh away from the socialist utopia that the Democrats now envision, uh making the world a safer place, better trade deals is great for America, great for our farmers, great for our manufacturers, great for workers.
That's who I identify with.
Um anyway, welcome aboard, Victoria.
You are on uh the team here, thank goodness, because it's gonna be a tough uphill two years.
It's gonna be a fight every day.
Um, 800 941 Sean, toll-free telephone number.
You want to be a part of the program.
Uh Paul is in Pennsylvania.
Paul, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Sean, you're a great American.
It is great to talk to you.
I um I was wanting to go back to the Cohen testimony and just believe that there should be another charge of lying to Congress.
Brought on him.
Because early in his testimony, he said that President Trump ran with no intention of winning as a PR star.
Later in his testimony, he says that he knows he colluded with Russia the prove it.
Those two statements can't exist in the same space.
Warner votes has to be a lie.
Well, look, I I just I think anybody that was around the president at the time, then candidate at the time, and I was a lot, he wanted to win.
You know, nobody would go on that nobody would travel like he did and put the energy in as he did, especially in those closing days, weeks and months, if you don't want to win.
That's not even in his DNA that this is a great marketing opportunity.
I'm I just don't see it.
I I don't think this president got in for any other reason but to win and to change the country.
And he did win, and there were only a few of us that were telling you, yeah, it's a it's a possibility he can win this.
And others were like, no way, ha ha ha.
Donald Trump, please get in, please get in.
Now they just want to destroy him anyway they can.
We'll go to Jennifer is in California, the socialist utopia of California, free health care coming for all, legal, illegal, from California, not from California.
Gavin Newson has put up a sign saying, come here for your health care for free.
Jennifer from California.
How are you, Jennifer?
Hi.
Um I'm actually from Canada.
Um Jennifer from Canada.
Welcome aboard.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Um, yeah, so I'm a single parent with a child with a disability, and I just want what I want to stress with this, with the socialism aspect of it for Americans, is I have no choice.
I am constantly on the phone advocating for my daughter, advocating for choice, advocating for different um tests that I can't get approved for.
And the cycle will be that once I do get the testing from the medical profession and they make their recommendations of what she needs to be better in school, uh, I have to go to the school and now fight with them because the school won't agree with what they're saying.
And it's just it's just constant.
And it's it's always like that.
And I'm actually a nurse.
And I left health care because I couldn't stand it anymore, and I became an electrician.
So I went to the trades and I love and I love it.
But I But I bet you but I let me guess that you enjoyed helping people as a nurse, right?
But it now became untenable because of socialized medicine and the burden of work that they're putting on you for the little amount of money that they can pay because it's all controlled is not worth it.
Correct.
And and I bet you make a lot more as an electrician.
Am I wrong?
No, you're right.
And and um, and I enjoy it, and there's less there's less policy.
There's and there's and there's less of it.
But I I guess my question to you would be is I feel like I'm a constitutional conservative, like because I but I have no choice.
I'm stuck to use I I'm stuck using what I have.
Do you understand what I mean?
Yeah, sure.
I do.
I I I can't like if I even if I paid and went to the states and paid for everything that I needed to get my daughter what she needed to be successful, I would bring that information back to Canada and I'd be no further ahead because they would throw their hands up in the air and say, sorry, like we don't understand this, or she's not bad enough, or she doesn't fit this category or this category to get what you need to support her.
So I guess I guess if you when you are thrown these obstacles and roadblocks constantly as a parent, as a professional, it's very, very draining.
And I just can't, I I would just stress that if as long as you have choice and less government and less policy, you you have you have to hang on to that.
You just can't let it go.
I don't care if it's a national health services, single payer in Canada.
There all there's a reason many Canadians come to the United States and freely choose to pay for the health care they get here.
There is a reason that, you know, if you look through K through 12 education in America that we ranked somewhere, you know, depending on reading or math, you know, in the 20 high 20s and 30s.
And there's a reason, and we pay more per capita per student is because the government can't run anything like this well.
They destroyed our our VA system.
Thankfully it's being rebuilt now to the you know, we had veterans dying a year later after they had requested care.
There's nothing the government does that they're going to do well.
They don't understand how free markets actually work.
It is it has brought us to this innovative point with technology and advancement in medicines because people are incentivized to do it.
They're taking all of that incentive away and they're controlling it themselves.
In its best form, it's gonna be low mediocrity.
You know, not excellence.
It's never gonna bear excellence because there's no incentive to bear excellence from people.
That's exactly right.
And I mean, our first nations are suffering so bad with our healthcare system because um they're supposed to have top-notch health care in Canada, and they do not have it.
Uh and in fact, I found myself advocating for them a lot more, and I got nowhere.
I I I couldn't go anywhere.
It it and it it's it's sad.
It is so sad and it is so frustrating.
And you know, and then Trudeau goes and gives 50 million dollars to Venezuela.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, true.
By the way, Trudeau's numbers are down in like the 20s.
I hear he's really dying there.
So uh well, listen, it's a good admonition, and we get the same admonition from others as well.
And we really appreciate you uh calling in and trying to warn people and tell people exactly what's coming if these people win the day.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
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This this new adoption of of bludgeon destroy and and bloody up Trump at the expense of doing anything for the American people.
They don't have a single agenda item that they have any interest in passing but for the insane radical new green deal and how most of them are going along with that insanity as well.
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