Melissa Ohden, is an abortion attempt survivor, and has gone on to have daughters of her own, and sadly miscarried one son, she speaks out loudly for the voiceless and the right to life. Dr. Levatino, started doing abortions in 1977 in New York State during his OB residency. He graduated in 1980 and went into private practice, first in Florida and later in New York. In five years, he performed 1,200 abortions, including 100 second-trimester saline abortions and later, D&E abortions up to 24 weeks.The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
You want smart political talk without the meltdowns?
We got you.
I'm Carol Markowitz.
And I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
We've been around the block in media and we're doing things differently.
Normally is about real conversations.
Thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic.
We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Ben Ferguson.
And I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
So download Verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey, it's that time of year for those of you, God forbid, you got to keep your New Year's resolution.
What if you're a timeshare owner and you want to get out of your timeshare?
Maybe that's at the top of your list of maybe you made a bad investment over the years.
It doesn't matter.
Let not your heart be troubled because the new year is also a reminder that you can get serious about getting rid of this timeshare and doing it right and doing it legally.
And Lone Star Transfer is absolutely an amazing group of people.
From beginning to end, I highly recommend if you have any type of timeshare, I want you to contact Lone Star and tell them I told you to call.
They'll give you a free no obligation consultation and they'll help get you out of your timeshare.
They'll do it the right way, the legal way, and it will take very little effort on your part just by calling Pound250 on your mobile phone and saying the keyword timeshare.
That's pound250 on your cell phone, keyword timeshare.
You can check them out online at lone startransfer.com.
You have the option to receive a one-time auto-dialed text message from iHeartMedia.
With us, happy Friday and write down our toll-free telephone number.
It's 800-941 Sean if you want to be a part of the program.
All right, Linda, I'm asking you, you got the final numbers.
We've been following the tally of congressmen and women of the new extreme radical Democratic Socialist Party that are supporting the new Green Deal of Ocasio-Cortez.
What are we up to?
Well, I have it in front of me right now.
We have 64 House co-sponsors.
We've got the House sponsor AOC from New York's 14 districts.
And we're so, so sorry to the Republicans of Astoria that are stuck in that mess.
And then Senate sponsor Ed Markey from Massachusetts.
Astoria, you mean her district or you mean the rights?
Right.
So I just found out yesterday from our, from our faithful engineer, Ethan, that New York's 14th district actually encompasses a lot of staunch Republicans that are in Astoria, but they get gerrymandered out their vote because of the stronghold of the Democrats and the Bronx.
So unfortunately, all these great Republicans and Queens have her as their person speaking for them on the House floor with her nonsense.
So 64 House co-sponsors, nine Senate co-sponsors, the nine Senate co-sponsors are none other than Kamala Harris, Richard Blumenthal, Maisie Hirono, Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, Corey Booker.
Say Elizabeth Warren again.
Elizabeth Warren.
Corey Booker.
Yeah.
Kirsten Dillibrand.
Ron Wall.
No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer.
Please do not compare me to Cuomo and Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, shocking.
That is your new radical extreme left Democratic Party.
One other addition here.
Amazon now.
Now, look, I don't like the idea that states and cities, they offer deals to bring certain companies in to town.
The tax incentives for Amazon were through the roof.
And anyway, now Amazon is reconsidering their plan to bring this to Long Island City.
These, well, I think they were going to bring and create 25,000 new jobs and a new campus in New York City or just in Queens.
And all of a sudden now that might not happen because of opposition.
And I know the city and the state is offering all sorts of incentives to make this happen.
The problem is you don't have equal distribution fairness under the law because no one else that is in business is getting these types of breaks.
So there is fundamental unfairness to it.
And they're only picking and choosing which companies benefit from better tax plans.
And the law is not equally applied.
But I'm torn because I care so much about people.
And New York has become such a financial basket case, which is why everybody's leaving.
And now they're $2.3 billion in the red because the mass exodus out of New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and California is, you know, they made all these promises and all the people that have been paying the taxes are saying, screw you.
I'm moving to Texas and I'm taking my business with me or I'm moving to Florida and I'm taking my business with me or I'm moving to Nashville or I'm moving to the Carolinas anywhere but here.
And so then those states, especially Florida and Texas that have no state income tax, those states are now experiencing a massive influx of rich people that have money, that are going to build factories and manufacturing centers and create jobs.
That's why the job, you know, so many jobs existing and they were able to take care of their infrastructure and everything else.
It's so much better in both Florida and Texas.
And these dopes, they doubled down and triple down on stupid constantly, which is unbelievable.
And they just don't understand basic capitalism.
They don't understand fundamental free markets.
They don't understand what has made this country the richest, best opportunity creation in mankind's history.
Why so much wealth creation has happened because of, yes, freedom and liberty.
You know, we're endowed by our creator, our founding document, our declaration, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Now, some people are happy, you know, not pursuing finances or money or things in their life.
And some people really, and I've met so many of them in my life, people are called to do things.
I know people that are really called into medicine to be a doctor.
And then to do it, you know, you think of the sacrifice.
You got, all right, four years of college, four years of medical school, then, you know, a couple of years residency, internship, you know, and next thing you know, you got student loans that are $350,000, $350,000.
And then you got to eventually find a practice or a hospital to work at.
And maybe you want to set up an office somewhere.
And then you got to get the money for the office.
You know, every doctor I know doesn't start putting any real money in their pocket till they're 37 or eight years old, but it's their calling.
You know, so many that people I know have called to protect and serve, and they just love law enforcement.
They're great at it because they love it.
And, but you know, when you become a cop or a fireman or a first responder that's saving lives every day, you usually know going in that you're not going to get rich.
Hopefully you get paid what you deserve.
And teachers are the same thing.
Nurses the same thing.
People are called to do these jobs.
They want to find a good profession and also serve other people and save lives.
And, you know, it's amazing.
They're amazing.
Where would we ever be without them?
You don't go into the military as an enlisted guy to get rich.
Even if you go to office or training school or one of the academies, you're still not going to get rich in the military, but you're willing to go knowing that the call may come and you're going to be shot at and putting your life on the line.
It's incredible the choices that people make in a free society.
And then other people, I know guys that work on Wall Street.
That's the last place I'd ever want to work, but they do good work too.
They provide the capital, a lot of them, for people that have great ideas and they want to create goods and services and expand and grow the economy.
And if they're really successful, like, you know, one of these big companies, Amazon, Google, whatever, you know, they hire a lot of people.
And hopefully they treat those people right.
Other people like me find out at some point in life, I found out I can talk and not stop.
And I have a passion for politics.
I've had it since I'm 10 or 11.
You know, my house, it wasn't shut off the TV, was shut that blankety blank radio off now and go to bed.
I used to stay up late at night and listen to the early pioneers of talk radio.
It wasn't like it is today.
And I just, I just, they'd tell me to shut it off.
I'd shut it off.
I'd hear my father walked around the house like this.
Okay, I'd hear him coming.
So he'd come back and I'd say, he goes, You have that radio on?
I turned it off.
He'd go back in his room.
I put it back on.
And then he might hear something.
He comes, did you just sit?
Dad, I'm trying to sleep.
Leave me alone.
But I'd stay up late at night like I do now.
And I don't know, it's just the way I've lived my life.
This is what, you know, 64 people in a day signing up for what would ultimately be the destruction of the system that has created a wealth and a standard of living that is the envy of the world.
And I know what it's based on.
It's been tried in many forms, in many ways before.
You examine this Green New Deal in detail.
In 10 years, every American is going to be the biggest mobilization of American society, the likes of which we've not seen since World War II.
You look at the former Soviet Union, you look at Venezuela, you look at Cuba, you look at any of these.
You know, you have a little bit of success, you might say, in a small Scandinavian country, but not really the way it's described.
You know, Canada, you keep hearing we need a single payer system, which is what Kamala Harris is proposing.
That means with Medicare for all, well, that's $33 trillion, and you can't have private health insurance.
I mean, you're forced into the government system.
And if it goes wrong like Obamacare, that's what you got.
Then they're not going to pay doctors.
Then they're not going to want to pay pharmaceutical companies.
Then they're going to start cutting costs.
And then they're going to, you know, here we are.
We're going to be discussing, well, you have outlived like the NIH in Great Britain, National Health Services Institute.
They have national health care.
Guess what?
If you have outlived your life expectancy, you need hip surgery, knee surgery, forget it.
It's not going to happen.
You'll be denied.
I know somebody that is in Canada right now.
I got a note from a really good friend of mine who's a doctor in New York.
He happens to be a brain surgeon.
And he sends me this note the other day.
And I'm reading it.
I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
This is not possible.
Hang on, let me see if I can find it in the text message that he sent me.
Because, and this guy's the nicest guy.
Here it is.
Let's see.
All right.
Here it is.
He goes, He goes, the single pair paper.
Okay, nope.
All right.
He writes it this.
I just talked to a 28-year-old man who is Canadian, lives in Vancouver, probably has a brain tumor.
And he's a brain surgeon, this guy.
I actually have sat and watched him rip people's face.
Remember the pictures I showed you, Linda?
Yes, thank you for sharing that.
Now, everybody, when I go into the operating room and I'm watching this thing, well, first of all, I watched him save the life of somebody who had had a type of brain cancer, radiation.
And unfortunately, the radiation created such damage that within six months, this poor guy was going to be paralyzed, probably dead.
He wouldn't last a year.
And as a result of the skill and the training of my friend, he lived.
Anyway, so he sends me this note.
Just talked to a 28-year-old man who is Canadian, lives in Vancouver, probably has a brain tumor and has speech balance and memory issues over the past two months.
He's seen many doctors and a neurosurgeon who wants to watch it.
I mean, do nothing.
Watch it means do nothing.
He sent me his MRI and he needs a brain biopsy now.
He writes, it's a simple decision.
To wait is unconscionable.
And he writes, the only reason he hasn't had it done is because the outcome of a brain tumor will be no different with or without a biopsy sooner rather than later.
In other words, he writes, it's a cost savings decision.
And he writes, forget the fact that guy's 28 in this young man's life is on hold and he's psychologically stressed beyond belief, as is his family.
And it's saving, quote, the state's money is more important than this guy's brain tumor.
This is what he's writing me.
He's now considering flying to New York.
Let us do the biopsy.
I'm willing to pay for it out of my own pocket.
He's not rich.
And so much for socialist government control health care for all, he writes me.
I just wrote him back.
I said, let me help you.
I'll be glad to pay for the guy's expenses.
That's awesome that you can save this guy's life.
But this is what they're offering.
And I'll get to that when we get back.
It is what you are hearing.
They are playing on fears that you have.
And they are promising you things they will never, ever, ever, ever be able to deliver.
It is the same flawed, failed, ideological, philosophical failure.
Socialism, redistribution, statism, communism, call it whatever you want.
It leads to poverty.
The reason even poor people in America have a lot of stuff is because we're that rich a country.
Hey, is your New Year's resolution to get a new job?
Then it's time to know about Express employment professionals.
Now, your local Express office is your connection to a new job, a new career, and you can even complete your application over the phone.
And Express prepares job seekers for interviews.
They have relationships with businesses.
They will help you find that next job.
Just go to expressprose.com and download the Express Jobs app.
Now, job seekers, remember, you never pay a penny, not a cent at Express.
And each year, they're helping over a half a million people find work through ExpressPros.com and they can help you.
Now, one Express associate, Sarah, said, Thank you, Express, for assisting me professionally and personally.
Words can neither qualify nor quantify how helpful your suggestions and advice have been.
I am forever grateful for your support and your belief in me.
You've all helped me shape my career, my professional life.
I really appreciate everything you have taught me.
Now, to find a location near you, just go to expressprose.com or download the ExpressJobs app.
It's time to get to know Express.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
And what's a P, I want you to know why I think that this is a real threat.
And, you know, people can laugh at it.
You know, the Micasio Cortez, you know, you got 64 people signing on in a day in the House, another nine in the Senate.
As long as Trump is president, this is not going to happen.
But what happens if it's Elizabeth Warren who wants to now unconstitutionally go back and after you paid your taxes, now if you save some money, she wants to tax it again.
Or Medicare for all, which, you know, Bernie supports and Kamala Harris supports.
What have they become president?
Where are they all going to stand on this Green New Deal?
They're going to love all of this.
And I know that from the past experience, you know, we're learning a lot about Democrats.
You know, for example, all the Democrats that said, I believe in the Kavanaugh case, I believe, I believe, I believe.
You know, the press conferences, they hadn't even met the woman up until that point.
But politically, they wanted her hurt.
They acted like they cared about the issue of women in the case of Justice Kavanaugh.
And then more women come forward.
See, this is more women.
And then they held back the information for maximum dramatic impact so that it would hopefully sway the public that this guy was a monster.
And then Michael Avenatti jumps in with Julie Swetnik.
And, you know, almost every other weekend, the punch was spiked.
And the boys would make these teenage girls unconscious and line up in the hall and take their turns, you know, gang raping these young girls, raping these.
And it happened a lot, but nobody ever told the police, their mom, their dad, a teacher, counselor, nobody.
And then the story changed.
Well, I never saw him spike the punch, but I saw that he was near the punch pole and he had a red solo cup in his hand that he might have offered to a girl.
Well, he wasn't lined in the hall, but I saw him in a hall.
And that was it.
And nobody corroborates anything.
You know, and I said, where is the due process?
How do you guilt by accusation?
That's not going to work in this society.
And so many Democrats are acting that they cared about the women.
I haven't heard any of these same Democrats say, I believe, when it comes to the woman accusing the lieutenant governor in the Commonwealth of Virginia of a sexual assault, that a violent forced sex act that he forced her to perform on him.
Not a word, no war, no I believe.
They've kind of been slowly embarrassed into saying some things and every woman has the right to be heard, but not I believe.
Notice that word's missing.
And so you think they care about the issue.
No, they can't bludgeon or conservative or Republicans, so it's a muted response.
You know, we kept hearing for years before the shutdown, what about the furloughed workers that aren't going to get paid?
So the president says, well, come on over.
We'll negotiate a deal.
They didn't bother to negotiate a deal.
They send aides to sit for a weekend with the vice president.
They were never serious about making a deal on immigration.
President goes out publicly and says, I'm willing to put what they say they want DACA on the table.
Deal with the DREAMer issue on the table.
They don't want that either.
By the way, I hear the deal that is being worked on now is a disaster, an unmitigated disaster.
And everybody should stop wasting their time.
But if they really cared about furloughed employees getting paid and if they really cared about DREAMers and DACA and they once supported the wall just a few years ago in Obama, if they cared about the issue, they would have done it.
This is politics.
This is about bludgeoning Trump, just like they use the issues of the accusations against Kavanaugh to bludgeon him and Trump at the same time.
And then when it happens to one of their own, their silence is deafening.
So it might seem like when Ocasia-Cortez is out there offering every American, first we're going to rebuild every home and every commercial building in America.
Let's start with the Freedom Tower in 10 years.
How do you expect we're going to rebuild every building in New York City?
Good luck with that in 10 years.
Every residential home, what?
Maybe they'll allow retrofitting at whose cost?
Who's paying for that?
New air conditioning, new heating, new ductwork.
All of this costs real money.
But it's a guaranteed Bill of Rights.
You know, you're going to get paid leave and medical leave and vacations.
Do I get to go to Hawaii and how long?
And retirement security.
Everybody gets it.
Now we'll even pay for college.
Womb to the tomb, cradle to grave, peace, and all of your worries and anxieties are taken away because the God of government, the tyranny of government, is coming to the rescue.
Guaranteed healthy food, guaranteed access to nature, clean water, guaranteed economic security for all.
All who are unable to work.
All who are unwilling to work.
What?
These promises, listen, I get it.
So many of us, at times, we are not in the best economic position.
I relate to it.
I sympathize.
I've been there for long periods of time in my life.
I didn't come.
I mentioned yesterday.
I grew up in a 50 by 100 lot, $13,000 post-World War II home, a small cape with three older sisters in one bathroom.
I made my money myself since I was eight years old delivering papers.
And then I worked every job imaginable, always had, you know, one day I'll bring on my best friend, my buddy John Gomez, wads of cash with me.
And nobody at school could understand how I always had so much money in my pocket.
It was my money.
I worked for it.
I made deals all the time.
John's father made the best grilled chicken in the world.
And so John's sick of his father's grilled chicken.
So I'd give him money to buy the crappy pizza lunch at the cafeteria and Yodel's, and I'd eat his chicken.
It was a great deal for both of us.
But how is it that even when I had no money, I remember when I lived in Rhode Island, and that's when I began my construction years, I thought I wanted to build houses.
You know, I was a carpenter's apprentice once, fell off a roof three stories, busted my arm, dislocated my elbow, busted up all my teeth.
I played hockey all these years.
All my friends lose teeth.
Now finally, I bust up my teeth, falling off a roof.
That was great.
Didn't have any health insurance, made a deal with the doctor.
He wanted to do an operation, remove the radial head.
I wouldn't let him.
I got hired at a local shipyard because I had no money.
This big guy, his name is Mac, you know, hires me for seven bucks an hour at the time.
I had been making five bucks an hour, $5.25 as a carpenter's apprentice, and literally sees me walking and holding my arm.
He goes, what the hell is wrong with your arm?
I tell him I just busted it.
I said, I really need this job.
He goes, oh, you see that house?
That's Mr. Blount's house.
This is Blount Marine.
If he sees you with your arm this way, I'm going to get my ass chewed out.
You better hide for the next week and a half, two weeks, and it better be better by then.
And the guy was nice enough to let me work there.
I needed the money.
I had $200, an old stone bank.
I lived in Warren, Rhode Island.
I know what it's like.
Everybody, so many people overspend and have debt, credit card debt, college debt, whatever debt you get into.
And, you know, but I survived.
I mean, then I started my own painting company, painted houses.
Then my buddy Andy Feehan taught me to hang wallpaper.
Then I hung wallpaper, made a lot of money doing that.
Then I went back to remodeling houses because I really liked that.
And I learned a lot of finish work.
At one point, I learned how to lay tile.
And the point of the story is, you know, I didn't have anything guaranteed.
Neither did any of you.
Most of you didn't come from money.
Most people I know did not come from money with a silver spoon in your mouth.
Not that it makes you, you know, money to me.
I always use the phrase with my staff, but when I give them a nice bonus every year, money is freedom.
Save your money.
And at that time of my life, I bought a $200 former Providence gas company van.
It would once been run on natural gas, converted over back to gasoline.
It was the best $200 I ever spent.
That thing never, all I did was tune it up and change the brakes once in a while, put on new tires.
That was it.
Kept that thing forever.
I bought a Ford Maverick 1971.
It had a three-speed on the column.
I switched it with a friend of mine and at a three-speed.
We put it, you know, as a shift down below, regular shift.
Then I take cars and I paint them in the barn that I rented with some buddies and we do the body work and I inhaled once this paint called Emeron.
My lungs burned out for three months because I didn't have the proper respiration.
That was stupid.
You know, but you look at it, then when you ask, for example, well, what else does it, how are we going to have this green deal?
Well, she writes, we aren't sure we're going to fully be able to get rid of farting cows because they emit CO2 gases and airplanes that fast, but they want to get rid of airplanes.
And you have to do, they want to get rid of nuclear power.
And they want to guarantee all of this.
Just trust us.
And they even admit if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources they have at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.
Well, then, how are you going to pay for it?
Well, don't worry.
That's not a part of the equation.
You know, we didn't worry about paying for World War II is the answer.
At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy.
It's not about how we'll pay for it.
What do you mean it's not about how is every American going to pay to rebuild their house and every business person?
But they play on your fear.
What if I get old?
What's going to happen?
I don't have enough money saved.
How am I going to pay for this?
How am I going to pay for that?
Now we have Social Security.
We have a safety net.
It's not the best in the world.
But I'm just telling you what will happen.
The net result is just like we're witnessing states now lose massive parts of their population.
New York, a great example.
Tens and tens of thousands every year.
New Jersey, same.
Same with Illinois.
Same with California.
Why?
Because people have had it.
High taxes, burdensome regulation.
They can't afford to do business there.
Why are states that have no state income taxes like Florida and Texas doing so well?
Because they're smart enough to elect people that don't allow a state income tax.
You nearly blew it in Florida the last time.
Thank God DeSantis won.
Andrew Gillum would have raised your taxes dramatically.
And the good part is 400,000 people, additional people that now are paying taxes on other things in Florida.
They have property taxes, still at a much lower rate than New York.
And this is the lie of socialism.
They will take away your fear, eliminate nuclear energy.
Eventually, they're going to ban cars and the combustion engine.
They're going to rebuild every home in America, every building in America, eliminate air travel, but you get a government-guaranteed job, free education, even college, a healthy diet, a house.
You got free housing, free money, whether you're willing or unwilling to work.
It doesn't matter.
But at the end of the day, why it fails is simple.
Every single human being was born with a purpose and a cause for their creation.
And every person has talents.
That's why education means to bring forth from within, from the Latin.
And what that means is, is that for you to have a full life striving and digging deep, finding whatever your skills are, why you were built, why you were on this earth, why the Bible will say God knew you before you were even conceived and the hairs of your head were counted.
At that point, if you do your part and find those talents you have and everyone listening to me has them and you bring those talents to fruition and you figure out a way to serve others by providing goods and services that people want, need, and desire, you're going to increase the standard of living in the world and you are going to make money for you and your family.
It's a win-win.
It is the perfect, most just system that has created, even the poorest Americans have TVs and stereos and iPhones and refrigerators and freezers, washers and dryers.
Not everyone in other poor countries has anything like that.
You've got to live and you've got to find, you know, what you love, what your passion is, and what you're good at, and why, and when you do, it won't be work to you.
Just be willing to serve other people, producing goods and services that people want, need, and desire.
That has why, this is why we're the economic envy of the world.
Hey guys, today marks the seven-day countdown until Valentine's Day.
And I know a lot of you guys have already ordered that special someone gorgeous bouquet from our friends at 1-800flowers.com.
But for the rest of you, you got to stop putting it off because right now you'll get 18 beautiful red roses, just $29.99, or upgrade to 24 red roses, only 10 bucks more.
That's right.
18 red roses, $29.99, upgrade to 24 red roses, 10 bucks more, an amazing deal.
Now, roses from 1-800 Flowers, always picked at their peak, shipped overnight to ensure freshness.
Now, bouquet prices are going to be going up soon.
Take advantage today.
Pick your delivery date.
Let 1-800 Flowers handle all the rest.
Again, to order 18 beautiful red roses for $29.99 or upgrade to 24 red roses for just $10 more.
Just go to 1-800Flowers.com slash Hannity.
1-800Flowers.com slash Hannity.
Hurry.
Offer expires Friday.
All right, we have some deep state news.
Last thought on this.
It's not an accident.
The conservative policies of Reagan and Trump have unleashed the power of freedom and wealth creation, job creation, and America being the economic powerhouse again.
It's not an accident.
Conservatism works.
All right, our two on this Friday, 800-941 Sean is our toll-free telephone number.
If you want to be a part of the program, all right, our Hannity watch on the deep state, there has been massive, massive developments on all fronts.
Number one, Senator Richard Burr, to quote him, we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia.
After two exhaustive investigations in which that committee interviewed hundreds of witnesses in multiple countries, hundreds of thousands of pages.
Well, what is Richard Burr saying?
He's saying that there was no collusion.
And by the way, you know, we've been telling you that for a long time.
And what's interesting in the findings of the Senate Intel Committee and Senator Burr, it's probably more reliable in terms of anything that Robert Mueller would come up with because the Intel committee has access to the highly classified intelligence from the agencies that Mueller doesn't have access to.
And Burr also revealed that Christopher Steele refused to be interviewed because Steele fabricated the dossier.
How do we know?
Because when he was in an interrogatory in Great Britain under oath facing perjury charges, he said, no, I never corroborated it's raw intelligence, maybe 50-50.
So nobody has ever heard from those sources anywhere.
And remember, Chuck Grassley suggested Steele, you know, pretty much made it up at a whole cloth, and it's a disinformation campaign because he hated Donald Trump.
Now, add that to what we already know.
We know Fox News confirmed, and Greg Jarrett had confirmed, and Catherine Herridge had confirmed the new details between the contact between the DOJ, the fourth highest official at the time, twice since demoted, Bruce Orr, and the special counsel, lead counsel, prosecutor.
That's Bob Mueller's pit bull, Andrew Weissman.
And we've confirmed that in recent congressional testimony, Orr testified that he met with Weissman in August of 2016, and he shared information from Christopher Steele and specific information related to the Russian government's attempt to interfere in the presidential election.
But remember, Orr also told all the top DOJ and FBI officials involved in this coup, if you will, that in fact it was unverified, not corroborated, paid for by Hillary, and that Christopher Steele hated Donald Trump.
So, you know, I think the criminal division officials also wanted to make sure that the criminal national security parts of the FBI were talking or communicating.
Now, in spite of all of that, well, then they end up putting forward this dossier using that information, not listening to Bruce Orr's admonition, never confirming or corroborating or verifying, and they used it as the bulk of information to spy on the Trump campaign through an associate by the name of Carter Page.
Now, we also learned from the great reporting of John Solomon that Robert Mueller, when he was the FBI director, now the head of the special counsel, that he was actually once hauled before the nation's secret intelligence court, the FISA court, and he was asked to address a large number of instances in which the FBI withheld exculpatory evidence.
In other words, cheated or held back sensitive surveillance warrants or applying for them with information that was not complete, that they knew that was not complete.
Some 75 instances were told this happened.
Now, most of the 16 years, this closed-door encounter escaped public notice because of the secrecy of the FISA court.
Now we have a new development, and that is Shifty Schiff.
Oh, now we find out that he's been meeting with Glenn Simpson, a fusion GPS in beautiful Aspen, which raises the question about his conflict of interest in all of this.
And while Simpson and Schiff, I know in the case of Schiff in particular, he's a known liar, you know, so we didn't talk about anything of substance.
It was at the time when Glenn Simpson would be testifying before the House Intel Committee, which is Schiff's committee.
And now we see that Adam Schiff is trying to get some of those resistant holdovers from the Obama administration that stayed in the Trump White House to go work for him.
Why?
Because they've been inside as his personal spies the whole time.
All right, here to talk about all of this.
We have David Schoen, who is a civil liberties attorney, criminal defense attorney, Sidney Powell, author of the best-selling book, License to Lie, and also herself, former prosecutor, and somebody who's been very outspoken about the corruption in the Department of Justice, senior policy advisor for America First.
Sidney, let me start with you.
I mean, the revelation that Robert Mueller, during his tenure as an FBI director, was hauled before the court and all these issues of withholding exculpatory evidence.
Well, you described in your book, License to Lie, that that explains maybe why he had no compunctions about hiring Andrew Weissman as his pit bull because he went through the same experience.
Oh, he knows exactly who and what Mr. Weissman is, Sean.
He's been protecting and promoting Mr. Weissman for at least two decades.
He had a role in picking him to the Enron task force to begin with and then brought him back into the FBI to be his general counsel and deputy director, even after we filed a grievance against Mr. Weissman that laid out all his efforts to hide evidence that showed the defendants in the Merrill case were innocent after he destroyed Arthur Anderson by making up a crime, after he made up a crime against four Merrill executives and sent them to prison for a year while he hid the evidence that showed they were innocent.
I mean, Mueller knows exactly who and what Mr. Weissman is.
And as soon as I heard that Paul Manafort's home had been raided in the middle of the night and his wife searched as she laid in the bed, I knew that was Weissman's prosecutorial terrorist tactics.
That's his standard operating procedure.
Why would he do to dehumanize and objectify and terrorize a defendant is what he's going to do.
Why is that their chosen tactic?
He's not El Chapo.
He's not a mafia member.
He's not a killer.
I mean, as a part of regular order, tell me if I'm wrong.
Isn't it usually the case in a relatively non-violent crime such as Roger Stone is being charged with?
I mean, you have amphibious vehicles in the backyard and the water.
You've got, you know, you've got these guys.
Frogmen in the canal.
Yeah, frogmen in the canal.
You know, you've got armored vehicles out front, 27 guys, pre-dawn raid, fully, you know, SWAT clothing to the max.
I mean, what were they thinking here, that Roger Stone and his suit was going to come out and start blasting?
No, it's all for show and intimidation and to send a message writ large to anyone who dares stand up and challenge them.
It's just a prosecutorial terrorist tactic.
David, what's your take on it?
It's a dangerous thing to do, too, because it puts the agents there in danger.
They're more in danger of getting shot by one of themselves than anything else.
Well, I'm not critical of the agents.
They don't have the option of saying no.
I mean, they're given an order.
They have to do their job or else they're going to lose their job.
So I can't blame them.
But this order had to come from somebody.
And I assume if you believe it's Weissman, because those are his past tactics, doesn't that also mean that Mueller signed off on it?
Oh, yeah, Mueller signed off on it.
And I would guess that Christopher Ray signed off on it.
Good grief.
David Schoen, you've been a criminal defense attorney and a civil liberties attorney for many years.
What do you think of these tactics?
Yeah, it's typical Weissman, no question about it.
In every one of these cases, the lawyer would make an arrangement to self-surrender a defendant like this.
Look, the proof of it is afterwards, the judge gave a $250,000 personal signature bond.
So there's no danger here.
Let me get back to your larger point about Weissman, though.
You made, you talked about a lot of evidence you have about Weissman, Bruce Orr, and all of that.
In my view, at this point, if there's a defendant who's willing to stand up to Mueller and actually fight the charges, he or she immediately should move to disqualify Weissman from any prosecution.
But beyond that, move to dismiss the indictment.
The fact that Weissman even conferred or sits on this investigative team ought to require the indictment to be dismissed.
I'll tell you why.
Under 600.1 of the special counsel regulations, regulations developed under the Clinton administration supported by Eric Holder and Janet Reno, under 600.1, the decision was made to appoint a special counsel because the Department of Justice had a conflict of interest.
You now have shown that almost a year before Mueller was appointed, Bruce Orr in the Department of Justice was meeting with Andrew Weissman in the Department of Justice to go over this stuff.
Andrew Weissman, who at the time and remained a financial and otherwise supporter of Hillary Clinton, politically motivated.
So that conflict was there.
That's why a special counsel, supposedly why a special counsel was appointed.
So he ought to be disqualified from anything to do with it.
And of course, in the Stone case, Jeannie Reed has to be disqualified.
It's outrageous that the person who defended Hillary Clinton is now prosecuting a case in which Hillary Clinton's emails are at issue.
No one could have had any confidence in the matter.
But look, there have been attempts by some to question the authority of the appointment of the special counsel, and none of those legal avenues have worked.
Not well.
They took a different constitutional approach, which also has some validity, the appointments clause argument.
This is a little different case here.
This is a clear conflict of interest because you've exposed this Orr-Weissman connection.
Weissman's an integral part of the team.
Some have even reported that he's actually running it now instead of Mueller.
I think it's worse than that, Sean.
I think there should be a motion to dismiss all the indictments in each case because of egregious government misconduct from the get-go.
I mean, we know now from Comey's own admissions that there was no crime when they opened the files on the four individuals to begin with: Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, and whoever the fourth one was.
And Page.
Yeah, yep.
And there was nothing no crime when they handed it off to Bob Mueller.
That's counter to the regulations.
On top of that, you have the bogus FISA warrant applications.
All of those should have been thrown out and everything related to them.
And Weizman, this is so important.
Weisman was not in the hierarchy that was supposed to get the information from Bruce Orr.
So there is a whole cabal there that is doing this all under the radar and counter to Department of Justice policy to begin with.
But you also have to realize here, I think, which is very crucial, is that everybody knew that Hillary paid for the dossier.
They knew that this was a foreign agent that hated Donald Trump.
We're not even talking about the campaign finance violations when the money was funneled through a law firm to an op research group, but they knew all it was unverified.
Now, Comey's timeline is interesting in particular on this because Comey signed off on the first FISA application.
That was in October of 2016.
President-elect Trump in Trump Tower was told by Comey it's salacious but unverified.
Well, if it was unverified, how did he sign off on it to get a FISA warrant just a few months earlier?
Exactly.
That was a false statement to a court for which Mr. Comey should be held accountable.
And of course, nothing's been done to him because we have a two-tiered system of justice, which means we have no justice at all.
But Weissman had to be part of the cabal, the small group that was conducting this coup.
Here's the bottom line.
You've got a crew there trying to accomplish now through Mueller what they couldn't accomplish at the ballot box.
It's a question of destroying Trump and everyone around him for the next election or for whatever purposes.
This is exactly what the Supreme Court has said we can't ever have.
We can't ever have a private agenda exercising itself through the criminal process.
That's a case from 1987 called Young versus United States X-Rel Vuitton, in which they tried to use people who represented a civil party as prosecutors.
We have a constitutional right to an impartial prosecutor embedded in the Constitution.
Court said it in Berger in 1935.
It's a fundamental principle.
That's why you can't have people like this operating their own agenda, undermining the true criminal process.
All right, we've got to take a break here.
We'll come back more with David Schoen, Sidney Powell, Hannity Watch on the deep state continues.
When we get back, we're going to open up phones, take a lot of calls today on this Friday, 800-941, Sean Tolfrey telephone number.
We have a very shocking story in our news roundup segment today as it relates to, you know, this now, I guess, obsession.
We now have eight states in the process of trying to follow New York and Virginia.
And, of course, the Senate voting this week not to protect children that are born alive and even during botched abortions.
They wouldn't protect their right to get medical care.
Waiting to hear their story coming up.
All right, as we continue with David Schoen and Sidney Powell, at the bottom of the hour, I mean, the theatrics, when they were interviewing at one of the House committees today, the Attorney General Whitaker, I mean, just it became a circus.
We'll get to that at the bottom of the hour.
David, real quickly, are these people going to be held accountable?
I don't think so.
I hope they will be.
We'll see what happens.
It's up to Mr. Barr.
That's the bottom line at this point.
Mr. Barr has the authority and the obligation to hold him accountable.
What do you think, Sidney?
He certainly has the obligation, and if he doesn't exercise it, it's death for the rule of law in this country, and there are going to be an awful lot of Americans very upset.
I don't see how he can hold himself out to be Attorney General if he doesn't.
Do you have any hope in Huber or the Inspector General Horowitz, David?
Well, they say Huber is really completely ineffective so far, at least.
The Inspector General, if given full reign, would be disgusted by what he's seen.
We've seen some of that already, but we need something with even more teeth than that.
Well, the Inspector General doesn't have any authority, and I think he's somewhat compromised.
I mean, I think he just doesn't see it or get it all.
His last report was way too watered down in the conclusions.
There was some good meat in it, but he was not as full-throated by any means as he should have been.
And I don't expect anything more this time around either.
All right.
Thank you both for being with us.
800-941-Sean Tolfrey telephone number.
When we come back, we're going to get to the absolute circus at the hearings for the acting A.G. Whitaker that went on earlier today and much more.
And a story you don't want to miss in our news roundup hour at the top of the hour, straight ahead.
Reading Greg Jarrett's book on the Comey investigation into the Clinton emails and the Uranium One deal and the Mueller investigation into the Trump campaign.
And in it, Mr. Jarrett meticulously documents case after case of political bias by the FBI, of illegal conduct at the highest levels of the Department of Justice, destruction of evidence, possible obstruction of justice by Mr. Comey himself, perjury by top DOJ officials, prosecutorial misconduct and political bias throughout Mueller's team.
Now, if the Russa investigation was initiated because of a patently false dossier, why aren't we seeing an equally aggressive investigation into these very meticulously documented charges?
Congressman, as you mentioned at the beginning, we do conduct our investigations independent of political interference at the Department of Justice.
That's not what the ponderers of evidence is telling me from sources such as this one.
Well, and specifically related to the document you just described, that is the subject of an Inspector General's review investigation, together with the U.S. Attorney from the District of Utah that was appointed by General Sessions to look into and review certain matters that this committee had asked be reviewed.
Can we expect a full, complete, and aggressive investigation of charges of wrongdoing by officials in the FBI and the Department of Justice on these matters?
Congressman, I can assure you that any allegation of misconduct by an employee of the Department of Justice will be looked into thoroughly.
All right, that was the acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker.
Now, William Barr is going to be likely confirmed by the Senate next week.
I don't see any obstacles at all.
And it was a very hostile scene all day there.
And he was very clear that he had never spoken to President Trump as Attorney General, acting Attorney General, any senior White House official about the Mueller investigation.
He said he doesn't believe he briefed any third party outside the DOJ regarding the Mueller investigation.
And, you know, even went as far as to say he never, ever, ever tried to interfere in any way with what Mueller is doing in spite of the lies that are often told all over cable news and suggestions in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
I mean, there, our friend Greg Jarrett got a plug.
That was Congressman Tom McClintock asking really pertinent questions that we've been asking because all of this has documented evidence.
This phony dossier, Clinton paid for it, Russian lies.
It was used to bludgeon how many innocent people, never confirmed, never verified, used as a FISA warrant to spy on an opposition party candidate and campaign, and then used to bludgeon a president after the fact.
By the way, David Schoen stays with us for one quick second here.
I know he wanted to comment about this.
You were watching these hearings today.
What are your thoughts?
I think it's an absolute, not only a circus, it raises a real separation of powers issue.
I want to make this point clearly.
Under the special counsel regulations, under the Clinton-era special counsel regulations, there is a confidential relationship between the Attorney General and Special Counsel.
It's codified.
The special counsel is deemed a confidential employee under 600.3.
The Attorney General has the obligation to question any investigative or presentatorial step and to stop it in a confidential manner with the special counsel.
And finally, the special counsel's report must remain confidential under the regulations.
They're playing political football with this, demanding this one disclose it and that would disclose it.
The attorney general has the authority under the regulations that the Clinton era gave them.
Holder supported it, Janet Reno.
These are fundamental principles that they're playing politically.
Did Reno and Holder also apply the confidentiality?
Well, when it suited them, but they emphasized the import.
Neil Cadill drew them up and they emphasized the importance of the authority of the Attorney General and that special relationship, not one where the discussions are to be questioned and aired openly by Congress.
So that would mean the Attorney General, if he follows DOJ policy, that we would never, it would never make the light of day.
Any Mueller report.
And he has the authority that they're now questioning.
Whitaker has the authority as acting and Barr will have it to rein him in, if that's what's appropriate, to question things like the draconian steps they took in the Roger Stone raid.
That's his obligation to question these things and demand a stop to them when they're against the Constitution and against DOJ policy.
All right, David Schoen, thanks for sticking with us.
So it began, it got hostile yesterday as they were threatening the acting attorney general with a subpoena.
He had already agreed to go.
But then once they said they're going to subpoena him after he agreed to go, because there are certain moments, executive privilege that an attorney general cannot disclose to Congress legally, but unless the president waives that right.
That's the president's executive privilege.
Matt Whitaker, as the acting AG, does not of his own right have the ability not to assume that he can waive executive privilege.
So they're asking him to do something that has never been done before.
Whitaker is ignoring them and not answering their stupid questions in the lead up to all of this.
But anyway, when pushed, the issue that matters the most, and that is whether or not Matt Whitaker is acting AG, did he speak to Trump senior White House officials about the Mueller investigation?
Here's what he said.
I'm sorry.
Yes or no question.
Have you communicated anything you learned in that briefing about the investigation to President Trump?
Yes or no?
Mr. Chairman, as I've said earlier today in my opening remarks, I do not intend today to talk about my private conversations with the President of the United States.
But to answer your question, I have not talked to the President of the United States about the special counsel's investigations.
So the answer is no, thank you.
To any other White House official.
Again, Mr. Chairman, as I mentioned in my opening statement, I do not intend today to talk about my private conversations with the president nor White House officials.
But I will tell you, consistent with what I've already said, I have not talked about the special counsel's investigation with senior White House officials.
All right.
So then the next issue comes up because these conspiracy-minded Democrats, I guess they've been watching too much cable news on fake news, CNN, and MSNBC because, you know, one of these days, we're going to go back and we are going to hold them all accountable for every single solitary instance in which they reported something that was false, that they breathlessly, hysterically ran with things that are not true,
created false hope in the eyes of their and the ears of their listeners and viewers about things that were never ever going to happen.
Like, for example, oh, well, Whitaker, now it's out of Rod Rosenstein's hand.
He must be interfering with the Mueller investigation.
Well, he was asked that question.
Here's Whitaker's answer.
All I'm asking you is, have you been asked to approve or disapprove a request or action to be taken by the special counsel?
Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
I've asked the question.
Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
Point of order is not in order until the question is answered.
We're not operating under the five-minute rule anymore then.
The witness will answer the question.
I want to be very specific about this, Mr. Chairman, because I think it's going to align a lot of fears that have existed among this committee, among the legislative branch largely, and maybe among some American people.
We have followed the special counsel's regulations to a T. There has been no event, no decision that has required me to take any action, and I have not interfered in any way with the special counsel's investigation.
There you go.
Now, he was asked about the issue of what took place with Roger Stone.
Now, you got to remember what a process crime is.
I mean, there are real criminals out there, real dangerous people that if, you know, if you've got El Chapo, if you've got some mob figure, a hitman of some kind, a drug dealer, you know, there's a time and a place for amphibious vehicles in the backyard, wherever the waterway was where Roger Stone lives and frogmen in the water,
just in case he runs out the back door and goes swimming in the middle of the arrest.
But they were there, and of course, armored vehicles were there.
And then you had 27 armed SWAT team in full gear, you know, guns ablazing and pre-dawn raid for a guy that comes out in his gym shorts.
They could find out very easily that he didn't have a passport, so he's not a flight risk in that regard.
But, you know, what is his big crime here?
Lying to Congress.
That's all it is.
There's not that one thing in the Roger Stone indictment that talks about Russia, any influence about Russia.
You know, the only mistake maybe that he made is he goes before Congress and tries to testify.
And if you don't testify perfectly, they get to be the judge and jury about whether or not it's a lie or you just didn't remember something.
I ask all of you, you know, think back two years ago, 2016, before the election.
Now, probably a lot of you would remember where you were on election night.
I know where I was in front of four TVs, 15 computers, and alone acting like a maniac.
So that's where I was.
But if you ask me where I was the day before, no idea.
If you ask me about an email in 2016, I'm going to look at you like, are you crazy?
How do I, I don't remember an email I sent yesterday or a text message I sent yesterday.
But Roger Stone didn't delete any of that information, didn't acid wash his hard drives, apparently, didn't get rid of his phones because they were able to retrieve the text messages and emails.
And he, as I understand it, handed all that over.
Anyway, and there's CNN right outside the door.
Anyway, listen to Whitaker saying he's concerned about how CNN found out about this.
Are you familiar from public reports or otherwise that a CNN reporter was camped out outside of Stone's house when the FBI arrested him?
This wouldn't be part of the investigation.
I am aware of that, and it was deeply concerning to me as to how CNN found out about that.
Yeah, it should be deeply concerning.
Look, this is going to be a moment of truth.
We're going to see if William Barr is, I know Joe DeGenova swears by him and others swear by him.
I don't know William Barr.
I just don't have a gut sense of who he is and whether or not he has the willingness to do what is necessary here.
All right, now is welcome back as we continue.
Now, we're discussing this Whitaker testimony from earlier today in a double standard in our justice system.
If we do, if we follow the law, if we have equal justice under the law, if we believe in the rule of law and the Constitution, which is the foundation of our rule of law, then certain things are going to happen.
And it's going to begin with Hillary Clinton because that's where it all gets started.
And it's going to deal with whether or not she really violated the Espionage Act and whether or not Hillary Clinton willfully, purposefully put classified top secret special access programming information on a separate server, which she knew was not, she was not able to do.
It's a crime.
It's a felony.
It's the Espionage Act.
And the reason is because if you look at what happened next, the investigation into the handling of this classified top secret information that even James Comey acknowledges is true in that infamous July 5th, 2016 press conference where he just decided he would take on his own the authority of the Attorney General at the time, who was also compromised, Loretta Lynch, because she had met on the tarmac in Phoenix with Bill Clinton.
And just before that, you know, James Comey has testified under oath that, well, I've never written an exoneration before.
I've done an investigation, but we have evidence that shows that's not true either.
And I thought lying to Congress was such a big crime because that's what got Michael Cohn charged, at least one of his charges, one of Roger Stone's charges, and other people are being charged.
We know a whole bunch of people that have lied to Congress.
You know, that's the question here.
I guess we only go after people we don't like or anybody associated with Trump.
Everyone else gets a free pass.
But they were writing the exoneration long before the investigation and even interviewing Hillary and 17 other people.
And when they finally interviewed Hillary Clinton, it was July 2nd, 2016, and the exoneration was all set to go in the 14-minute speech of Jim Comey, you know, sounding like she broke every law in the book, but never mind, No serious prosecutor would ever prosecute this, which is not true.
That's where you're going to start.
Then you're going to go if you care about Russian collusion.
Then we're going to also look into the issues of Russia.
All right, we'll look into Uranium One.
William Campbell was Mueller's spy inside of Putin's ring to get a foothold in America's uranium market.
And they knew, I don't know if he directly knew, but the FBI was told from one of their own that bribery, extortion, kickbacks, and money laundering was going on.
And they still ended up, Hillary, one of the people, the Cepheus board, signing off on, you know, 20% of America's uranium being going pretty much directly to Vladimir Putin or the phony dossier that Hillary paid for with Russian lies that were fed to the American people and then used for a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign.
You know, where are all the instances of investigations into this and committing a knowing fraud by so many of these people before a FISA court?
They have one thing in common.
They all hate Donald Trump, Page, Strzok, McCabe, Comey, and the rest of them.
There's justice.
We're going to have a constitutional republic.
We better get to the bottom of it.
Coming up next, our final news roundup and information overload hour.
All right, news roundup, information overload hour.
You know, the president tweeting out: all right, the Democratic Party, the radical party, look at Ocasio-Cortez.
No airplanes.
We're going to rebuild every house in America, retrofit it.
Guaranteed job, guaranteed wage, guaranteed family medical leave, guaranteed vacations, guaranteed retirement, guaranteed college, guaranteed healthy food.
Uh-oh, if you have McDonald's stock, I'd worry.
Guaranteed, I'm just kidding, on that part, guaranteed economic security for anybody that's unable to work.
Also, for anyone unwilling to work, guaranteed housing, health care, guaranteed everything.
Don't worry about paying for it all.
What are we up to now, Linda?
I think it's like 70 House members and like 10 senators that have in a day are signing on to this insanity, which is exactly why I've been warning you.
This new, this is not the old Democratic Party.
This is a new extreme radical socialist Democratic Party.
Now, for example, we saw, and the president tweeted out that this is a party of late-term abortion.
This is a party of higher taxes.
Oh, that's right, 70 to 90%, depending on which plan.
And then Elizabeth Warren wanting to put a wealth tax on money you've already paid taxes on, or Medicare for all, which is $33 trillion, but you can't have your own medical care.
I mean, these are the proposals, and it's only going to get nuttier and more serious over time because you lose the election.
That is what the country becomes.
Nothing more sickening than hearing the New York legislature vote, which allows abortion up until the time of birth, even up until the ninth month.
This is how they reacted in New York.
Take a listen.
Couldn't have been happier.
Andrew Como, the governor, dressing for the occasion in pink.
How nice of him.
And then it gets worse because it then moves to the Commonwealth of Virginia, and we plague you the testimony of the sponsor of the bill, this woman, who at the same time was sponsoring a bill to protect the caterpillars that become butterflies.
You can't kill them.
And when she's testifying, she said, oh, yeah, no, a woman even dilating can have an abortion.
It would be her choice to have an abortion.
And then the governor, Northam, is asked about this, and he gives this gruesome description of what would actually happen and what the law would actually allow.
And I've got to warn you that this next half hour is going to be tough to listen to.
So if you have kids in the car, you may want to be careful.
But, you know, here's the governor of Virginia still not resigning over the blackface or this issue.
Nobody called for his resignation over what we heard him say.
Here it is.
If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.
The infant would be delivered.
The infant would be kept comfortable.
The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.
And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.
Oh, and by the way, he's a pediatric surgeon.
Those pictures of the person in blackface on his page and in a Ku Klux Klan outfit.
That's, you know, he's a medical student.
He's a pediatric doctor, apparently.
So let me understand this.
So, you know, we'll deliver the baby.
We'll make sure the baby's comfortable.
And after the baby's comfortable, then the mother's going to decide whether, if the baby's in need of medical attention, whether or not to help resuscitate the baby.
Okay.
There is a human living soul that is apparently being kept comfortable, living on its own, a human being.
And then, well, we'll let the mother decide.
Does she want to keep it or not keep it?
Then we'll have a discussion with the doctors and the mom.
I don't know.
Maybe we'll go down to the maybe we'll go down to the kitchen or the commissary in the hospital and see what that's like.
I mean, it is beyond gruesome.
Now it's expanded, let's see, to Rhode Island and New Mexico and California.
And, oh, now Massachusetts has gotten on board.
They want a similar bill.
It was a motion in the Senate to protect babies born alive from an abortion.
Democrats wouldn't even let it come up for a vote that would have offered protections for babies of even botched abortions that lived.
You don't think it happens?
It did.
It does.
Now, joining us is Melissa Odin.
She is an abortion attempt survivor.
And by the way, has gone on to live a great life, as I understand it, has two daughters of her own.
She didn't miscarry one son.
She speaks out loudly for the voiceless.
And we also have with us Dr. Levatino.
Dr. Levertino started doing abortions in 1977 in New York State during his residency.
Graduated in 1980, went into private practice, first in Florida, then in New York.
In five years, Dr. Levatino, he performed over 1,200 abortions, including 100 second trimester saline abortions and then later D ⁇ E abortions up to 24 weeks.
And they both join us now.
Thank you for being with us.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Melissa Odin, so your mom tried to abort you, but you're alive.
What happened?
Well, I was the type of procedure Dr. Levatino did.
I am a saline abortion survivor, and it was also in 1977.
So, you know, what I know is that my birth mother was 19 years old.
She was a college student, and she was actually forced into this abortion by her mother, my maternal grandmother, who was a nurse at the hospital where it was performed.
So this type of procedure was meant to poison and scald me to death.
And my medical records actually indicate that I soaked in this toxic salt solution for a five-day period while they attempted to induce my birth mother's labor.
And finally, that fifth day, they succeeded.
I was expelled from the womb in the final step of that abortion procedure.
And of course, they thought I would be delivered as a successful abortion, otherwise known as a deceased child.
But lo and behold, I was born alive.
It's unbelievable.
Now, did you ever confront your mother about this?
Yeah, so I'm adopted and didn't know that I survived a failed abortion until I was 14.
How did you find out?
By complete accident, really.
It was a pretty traumatic thing.
But my sister, my older sister, let me know that there was more to the story of my life.
And I sat our mother down and never expected for her to say, you know, you survived a failed abortion.
And, you know, it's devastating.
I wish the other side of this issue could understand how traumatic it is to live this kind of life.
This is not an easy truth to live through or to live in this kind of culture.
Do you have any residual physical or mental impact from this?
Well, you're describing emotional, but are there any physical issues that you've had to deal with as a result of what you're describing as utter brutality?
Right, not long term.
So when I first survived, they thought I had a fatal heart defect.
There were arguments about whether I would be provided medical care.
I've actually been contacted by nurses at that hospital who were there.
I'm going to meet one of them next month, probably face-to-face for the first time.
i know that there were arguments that they laid me aside that certain people didn't want to provide me medical care um and so when somebody actually did your mother your your real mother ever apologized Yeah, so I'm one of the few abortion survivors who's been connected with my biological mother.
We actually have a really great relationship.
We actually live in the same city.
I have this very faith-filled life that God has blessed.
So we live in very close proximity.
I was just with her the other day.
She's very sad about what was done to me, what was done to her.
You know, she said her greatest regret in life is that she didn't run away from her own family to save me.
In other words, it was her family pressure that she was pregnant, I assume, at a young age, and they were pressuring, right?
And not just pressured.
I mean, literally, her mother made that abortion take place.
Wow.
And that's what we don't talk about, right?
That so many times this is.
In the past, that's what it used to be.
You know, nobody remembers what happened to one of the Kennedy kids put in a hospital and basically had a lobotomy.
Some horrific treatment of children.
Geraldo at Willowbrook, what he discovered with some disabled kids and the way they were treated like animals.
It was horrible.
Dr. Levatino, let me start with you.
So you performed some 1,200 abortions, including abortions as late as 24 weeks.
Can a child now be sustained to 24 weeks with all the medical advancement we've made?
They can.
And this is what prompted Sandra Day O'Connor years ago to say that Roe versus Wade was on a collision course with itself.
Because Roe, the original decision in 73, said that a state could prohibit late-term abortions, third trimester abortions, and they picked that third trimester because that was the beginning of viability in 1973.
Medical science has not stood still.
Even the WHO at this point recognizes that fetal viability starts probably around 22 weeks.
Now, there are some that survive earlier, but survival is, you know, viability is now defined fairly consistently as about 22 weeks of gestation.
Well, let me ask you, so you did this for a number of years, 1,200 abortions, 100 second trimester saline abortions, D ⁇ E abortions up to 24 weeks.
How do you feel about having done that at this point?
And then I'll ask you to describe it, which is why I gave a listener warning earlier.
Obviously, I'm not happy that that's the decision I made.
I stopped doing abortions over 30 years ago.
How did you stop?
What made you change your mind?
My almost six-year-old daughter was killed in an auto accident.
I'm so sorry.
You know, when you do a DNE abortion, a second trimester D ⁇ E abortion, you are literally tearing a child to pieces with your own hands.
And I did over 120 of those procedures.
I did do saline abortions in my residency many years before, but those became passe.
We don't do those anymore.
But, you know, after her death, and I never thought anything of it.
I had gotten used to it.
But after you lose a child, and I tell people, you know, if you have a child, you may think you have some idea of what that's like.
If you haven't been through this yourself, you have no idea what it's like.
I hope you never find out.
And after Heather died, was struck by a car and killed, several weeks later, I showed up to do my first DNE abortion and literally tore out an arm or a leg in the instrument, got sick, but had to finish the abortion.
I mean, once you start an abortion, you can't stop.
You have to get two arms, two legs, and all the pieces, because if you don't, your patient's going to come back infected, bleeding, or worse.
Well, let me ask you, okay, so in an early term abortion, what you're describing, at what point does it become, you're talking about tearing out limbs, and when you take them out with these instruments of which you're ripping them out, I mean, you see an arm, you see hands, you see fingers, you see toes, you see a head, you see eyes.
I mean, what are you seeing when you're doing this?
You got it.
You just described it yourself.
Now, first trimester abortions are typically done either by suction DNC or now the medical abortion, the pill, RU486, or mifopraxis is called.
But even when you do a suction DNC.
But you can only do that a few weeks after pregnancy, if I'm not mistaken, right?
Well, right now it's approved up to 10 weeks from last menstrual period or eight weeks from conception.
But in reality, mifoprexis being, or RU486 is actually being used in the second trimester as well.
So it's being used even at later stages of pregnancy at this point.
But, you know, whether it's a suction DNC, eight weeks from last menstrual period, from head to rump, that child is about one inch tall.
At 20 weeks, look at your hand.
From the middle of your middle finger down to your wrist, that's the crown rump size from the head to the rump.
Not counting legs of a baby at 20 weeks.
And as I always tell my students and others, you know, today you're an adult.
Once you were a child, once you were a baby, once you were an inch tall, but it was always you.
Now, are you against all abortion?
Do you believe life begins at conception?
Well, I do, but that's a much more complicated discussion.
We can have abortion in very limited circumstances, but it's a long discussion.
We probably don't even have time for on the program.
We have plenty of time.
We're not in a rush here.
Well, do you want me to take a break, Linda?
All right, we'll take a break and we'll come back.
Melissa Odin is with us.
She was, her mother attempted an abortion on her.
She survived it.
And Dr. Levatino is with us and who himself performed 1,200 abortions, including some as late as 24 weeks into pregnancy and regrets it.
And with all the talk about, you know, up-to-birth abortion now in seven, eight states and the Senate not protecting children that survive abortions, I think it's appropriate.
800-941 Sean is our toll-free telephone number.
You want to be a part of the program.
Sick of winning.
Making America great again.
Sean Hannity is what's right with America.
You're listening to the Sean Hannity Show.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour, 800-941, Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
I've got to warn you that this next half hour is going to be tough to listen to.
So if you have kids in the car, you may want to be careful.
All right, with so much talk about abortion, even when the birthing process stops, I have no idea.
This sort of hit us all out of the blue.
And New York State passed that law, and then followed by the Commonwealth of Virginia.
And this is how the governor on a radio show described what the law would allow in Virginia if it had gotten passed.
It did get passed in New York.
This is what Governor Northram said at the time.
If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.
The infant would be delivered.
The infant would be kept comfortable.
The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.
And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.
And what if the mother and the father may have a disagreement about resuscitation?
We're going to have a debate in that moment.
They're talking about the birth process, abortion up to the birthing moment.
Now joining us, we have Melissa Odin.
She is an abortion attempt survivor.
Mom tried to abort her, and she has survived and has now two daughters of her own.
And Dr. Levatino is with us.
He started doing abortions in 1977, performed around 1,200 or more, including 100 second trimester, saline abortions, later DE abortions up to 24 weeks.
But he doesn't perform them anymore.
And he's had a massive change of heart on it.
This law now is spreading.
We got New Mexico and California and Rhode Island and Massachusetts now and Vermont might be the most gruesome.
Dr. Levatino, do you hear what they're doing in Vermont?
Yes, Sean.
Bill H. 57 in Vermont, Section 9494, states that a public entity shall not interfere with an individual's fundamental right to choose to obtain an abortion.
No time limits, no supervision by the state, nothing.
That's abortion right up to birth.
And now you'll love this provision.
You may not have heard this one.
The next provision states, no state or local law enforcement shall prosecute an individual for inducing, performing, or attempting to induce or perform the individual's own abortion.
We won't prosecute you even if you try to abort yourself.
So basically, you have now the right to kill yourself.
Well, I'm going to tell you something.
Inducing an abortion on your own could very well result in serious harm or death.
Apparently, the state of Vermont's not troubled by that.
Really sick stuff.
Let me go back to Melissa.
So you described, you found out at 14.
How did you find out exactly?
My older sister was facing an unplanned pregnancy, was actually considering every option, which included abortion.
And when our parents found out about that, they decided to tell her the story of my survival.
When my parents adopted me, they knew that I had survived a failed abortion, that the doctors initially didn't think I would live for very long, that I would suffer from major disabilities.
So my parents knew all that, but they didn't tell us until they told her, hoping that she would understand just what kind of decision she was facing in her life.
What did she decide?
She chose to carry him, parented him, went on and had other children.
You know, I often tell people, I know that was not easy for her, but she knows that it was worth it.
And her kids know what an incredible sacrifice she made, how hard she worked.
In a way, your life story saved the life of your nephew.
Yeah, and ultimately, he saved my life.
And, you know, I hope hundreds of millions of lives by allowing me to know the story of my survival.
He was no accident.
Yeah.
You know, and how old were you when you first met your birth mother?
And how did that come about?
Yeah, so I started searching for her when I was about 19, didn't find her until I was 30.
And even after that, there were so many secrets about my life.
So we didn't really start communicating until about six years ago now.
Well, let me ask you this.
Did your adoptive parents mind that you were searching for your mother, your biological mother?
I think most people can understand.
That was difficult for them, right?
They wanted to protect me.
They didn't want me to be hurt by them, especially knowing what they had tried to do to me.
So yeah, that part was hard for them, but they knew it was important for me to find them and to know answers.
And so they've always been really supportive.
So about six years ago, I started communicating with my birth mother by email.
And that's what I learned that she actually didn't know for over 30 years that I had been delivered alive that day.
They never told her?
She was told, it died.
It's hideous.
It's a monster.
Don't look at it.
And I was rushed off to the NICU after I was initially laid aside.
Those were the words that the nursing staff have said.
They laid you aside.
They must have had one of those really pretty conversations like the governor is talking about, right, about what was going to happen with me.
And ultimately, I now know a nurse picked me up, rushed me off to the NICU, and shouted to this other nurse.
That darn Dr. Kellberg messed up.
Wow.
He was my abortionist.
Who made the decision to save your life?
Somebody had to step in.
That nurse.
That nurse made the decision to give you that care.
Absolutely.
Have you ever met her?
I haven't.
I think I know where she is.
You know, let me go back on the other side of this, Dr. Levatino, and you're hearing this story.
Look, and I will give a listener warning again because what you're describing, if you have kids in the car, you may not want them to hear it, but because your story is fascinating.
You had a total turnaround.
Sadly, you lost your six-year-old little girl.
And I think you said her name was Heather in a car accident where she was hit by a car.
And that changed your mind.
And but as you did these later abortions in particular, describe what you do.
I don't think most people understand it.
Well, picture that child, as I said, as big as your hand or even bigger.
And a DNE abortion involves, with a suction, the baby's small enough to be pulled into the suction catheter, 12 weeks or less.
But when they're bigger, you know, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24, these are viable kids at that stage.
They're not going to fit through small diameter catheters.
So you use a clamp called the sofa clamps, the one I use.
There are variations of it.
And you have to dismember this child.
You have to tear off on a living child the arms, the legs, tear out the chest, tear out the abdominal contents, crush the skull, pull all this out of the vagina, you know, out of the uterus through the vagina.
And as I often say, sometimes the little face comes back and stares back at you.
Can you think back at times when you were doing this before you said, I can't do this anymore?
Do you remember, like, if you're, as you said, you're tearing out a leg, you're tearing out an arm or a head and a face is looking at you?
Did you look at it and say, what the hell am I doing?
Not until my daughter died.
I remember even having been experienced at doing first trimester abortions and even saline abortions, doing a DNE abortion the first couple of times was traumatic.
It's difficult.
But I was dedicated.
If you talked to me, then I told you I was pro-choice.
This is a decision between a woman, her doctor, and no one, including the baby's father, has anything to say about it.
You know, if you, you know, a lot of people identify themselves as pro-life or pro-choice, but when you're a gynecologist and you say that, it's not some vague political decision.
You're deciding whether you're going to do this or not.
And you can get used to almost anything, Sean, and I did get used to doing that.
In other words, you sort of...
But it wasn't that I really looked, because I tell people, you know, and it's not just to gross people out.
You talk about arms and legs.
You do an abortion, you have to keep inventory.
You have to make sure you get two arms, two legs, and all the pieces, because if you don't, your patient's going to be in serious trouble.
It's only after her death that all of a sudden, I tell people, that was the first time I really, really, really looked at that pile of body parts.
And all of a sudden, I didn't see her wonderful right to choose, and I didn't see what a great doctor I was helping with her problem.
All I could see was somebody's son or daughter.
And that changed it for me.
You know, I've seen these pictures that you're describing.
People don't publish it very often.
People want to look online.
It's real.
What you're describing is graphic and real.
I've seen it.
And to me, it is just gruesome.
And people wouldn't do this to a little puppy or a kitten or any animal.
They'd be arrested.
Yeah.
What would it be like what the governor described or what Cuomo, the altar boy, that was his answer yesterday?
Well, I used to be an altar boy.
I'm like, what does that have to do with anything?
And they always come up with great names like the Reproductive Health Act.
But what would a full-term baby, a woman in labor abortion be like based on your experience?
Well, I never did a full-term abortion.
But if you look at, you know, and this was what happened in Virginia where the sponsor of the bill was asked flat out, would your bill allow an abortion just immediately prior to birth for mental reasons?
Yes, she said.
And she's absolutely right.
That's what the law says.
You could literally, remember, you got to understand, there's a difference between a human being and a person.
Once you are born, you are a person.
You have rights under the law.
The governor of Virginia may be a fair pediatrician.
I don't know.
But he's a lousy attorney, and certainly he has no understanding.
One is a person under the law.
You have rights.
If you kill, if you think about it, and then either neglect or kill a child after birth, that's what Dr. Gosnell is spending his life in prison for.
That's called murder.
What I felt when he said it, I'm like, he doesn't even know what he's describing.
There's a disconnect at a level that I can't describe.
But I have read that they puncture the skull, suction out the brains of what is now a fully formed, viable child and individual soul, and then do exactly what you're describing, pulling out body parts, except now they're the size of a baby.
That is exactly what could be done under the law.
Picture, the head is crowning.
You can see the head through the vagina, but the baby's not born yet.
That's not a person yet.
And there's nothing preventing you from taking an instrument and puncturing that skull.
And then, as you say, suction out the brain and then let the baby die, you know, deliver because now the baby's dead.
As long as the child is dead before delivery is accomplished, it's legal.
You know, as you listen to this, by the way, how would you describe your attitude today, Dr. Levatino?
Okay, do you still support abortion?
Do you still support abortion in the first trimester?
I don't support abortion in the first, second, or third trimester, except in very limited circumstances.
Rape, incest, things like that.
For a tubal pregnancy, if a woman comes in with a tubal or ectopic pregnancy and you do an ultrasound and there's a fetus and there's a heartbeat, but it's in her tube, you have to treat that.
It is going to kill her.
Okay.
Let me give the last word to Melissa.
Melissa, what do you say to people as having survived?
There was an attempt to abort you, but you survived.
You have a story that is very rare.
What do you say?
We're human beings.
You know, we're not some hypothetical case.
We're not some political attack on Roe versus Wade.
We're living human beings and treat us like that.
And in terms of all this discussion about infanticide, we had to fight for our lives in the womb.
I know of 265 other survivors a lot like me.
This is what I do, Sean.
We fought for our lives in the womb.
Don't make us fight for them again after we're born alive.
Well, I thank you for sharing your story.
Thank God you did survive.
And it's obvious the profound impact you're having on a lot of people.
Dr. Levatino, thank you for sharing your story.
And I find it fascinating.
I'm a person that believes that we all can change.
And, you know, obviously you changed in a very dramatic way.
And sharing your story, I think, is extremely helpful for people.
And I want to thank you both for being on with us today.
All right, 800-941-SHAWN, toll-free telephone number.
It's the 600 Station Man, Sean Hannity, now reaching over 20 million listeners every day.
All right, Hannity, tonight, 9 Eastern on the Fox News channel, we have a lot of stories.
We are breaking one huge story about Pfizer that goes right into Robert Mueller's office.
The chaos, that is Virginia, the governor, lieutenant governor with the sexual assault charge.
Now the attorney general next in line to be governor, if those two go, he also dressed in blackface.
That's from D.C. tonight.
We'll see you back in New York tomorrow.
As always, thank you for being with us.
What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of 10, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
You want smart political talk without the meltdowns?
We got you.
I'm Carol Markowitz.
And I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
We've been around the block in media and we're doing things differently.
Normally is about real conversations.
Thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic.
We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Ben Ferguson.
And I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
So down with Verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.
