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90 days.
That's it.
Three months, here we go.
Game on.
And uh we got a lot of news to get into today.
You know, all this stuff that is going on, uh, Alex Jones, InfoWars, Lewis Farrakhan, YouTube, and you know, Facebook.
I um I, for the most part, have just I use my Twitter, Facebook, Instagram accounts.
I have them, uh, but I've taken them all off my phone.
And I'm gonna tell you the real reason why.
Now we use it, I still will fight with somebody.
Uh, who did I take a shot at?
Oh, Jim Jimmy Acosta recently.
And I uh one night, you know, if I see something that I want to uh I want to do the old Hannity thing, which is I kind of used to in the day enjoy really fighting on Twitter, and I had some fun wars with a lot of different people, even Alec Baldwin.
It was sad his own daughter asked me to stop fighting her father.
I'm like, okay, if you want me to stop and be the bigger person, I'll be glad to.
I don't know why you're asking me and not your own father, but that's interesting.
Interesting.
Interesting.
The greatest talk show segment ever in the history of radio.
Um, but all of this is happening.
Now, on the surface, you might think, oh, this is easy.
No, it's not so easy.
How do you make the decision?
Where's the slippery slope?
I think probably everyone would agree when it comes to certain things that people post.
Uh, if you're calling for violence or threatening violence, I think that's kind of a no-brainer for any social media group uh to get rid of.
Like, for example, remember years ago we had the anarchist cookbook was out.
Teaches people how to build fertilizer bombs and or the likes, or whatever it is, these type of bombs that could kill people.
That was a big controversy at the time.
Now we all believe in freedom of speech.
Now you have a sidebar issue, and that is that, well, these companies are either privately publicly held, but this is not the government banning your speech.
These are people making editorial decisions, which, by the way, people make every single day.
They can decide who they want, what they want, but I think it's a slippery slope.
If you're gonna ban this person with this political point of view, and you don't like what this person says, you know, where does it stop and who decides?
And how do you decide?
And what does it do to your business model?
Let me tell you right now, these companies are in total freakout mode over this.
And uh, while I know Alex Jones is is controversial, I don't listen to other radio shows.
I've seen segments of his show on Media It, for example.
Uh, I know that he's got this lawsuit and some comments he made, I guess post Sandy Hook that he didn't think it happened, and he calls other things red flags or whatever.
I know he also had supported Trump.
Um, but I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to it.
But and then there was a great column on media.
Well, okay, where's the ban of Lewis Farrakhan?
Now, now you've got a dilemma, don't you?
Because he's a known racist and anti-Semite.
And I'm not comparing the two in any way.
I'm just looking at at I'm just picking out examples as they exist.
You know, I look at Twitter, for example, and I have seen more brutal, hateful, despicable, disgusting comments about me and I don't care.
Memes about me and I don't care.
And people attacking me, and I don't care.
Uh I tend to be, as I think many of you know, a First Amendment purist, in the sense that as long as you're not advocating violence, you know, look, if I'm a company, I'm you're gonna want uh a white nationalist clansman racist on your on your site.
I wouldn't.
Nobody really would.
And that's a no-brainer.
What about people that then, you know, on the other side, support Lewis Ferrick?
I wouldn't want him on the sh, you know, knowing his background and the things he said.
I wouldn't want the things he said on any site that I own.
All right, what about those people that think they're clever and and they're obviously making, you know, as dog whistles as MSNBC says, you know what they're saying.
You know they're racist, you know they're anti-Semites, you know they're they're virulently anti-gay and hateful.
You know, I don't particularly like bigoted people.
I wouldn't want any of that on my my sites.
And uh so it's it but it gets to be a little more slippery.
You're gonna decide how many people would like to have me banned uh as a mainstream conservative just because they don't like my political points of view.
You know, are you gonna ban somebody because they say uh, you know, oh this or that?
Uh I can't even bring up all the examples here, but um Twitter, for example, decided not to ban Alex Jones or InfoWars.
Anyway, I do have an interview announcement.
We Jack Dorsey is the CEO of Twitter.
I think this is far more difficult, far more nuanced than I think a lot of people imagine.
I think that, you know, while Facebook and YouTube officials are hiding under their desks not knowing what to do next, um, I really give Jack Dorsey a lot of credit because he agreed to come on the program today.
And really, all it's not I don't this is not a controversial uh uh confrontational interview I want to have with him.
I want to ask him, how do you decide?
I want to ask him about shadow banning, which has been a big legitimate complaint by conservatives.
It's sort of like what they do is they they do this stealth banning of either a handle or an individual or an account, sort of like ghost banning or or comment ghosting, and in other words, you're sort of blocking from other people the ability to see the content, and it's sort of isolated from the online community, and it's a way of kind of censoring them without saying you're censoring them.
And uh so we'll talk about those issues, which I think are very important.
Um, but the good thing, you know, when we asked Jack to come on the program, he said, look, I don't have all the answers.
We've made mistakes.
I want to get it right.
I want to hear all points of view.
Uh I don't want to be in the censorship business.
Um, the one big thing that we always have to remember in these cases is you get to decide what you look at.
You don't have to look at anything on these social media accounts.
You get to choose, you get to make the final editorial decision.
And to me, if you have that power, to me, that's that's everything.
You know, I can't make I can't reach through my microphone here, you know, across the airwaves on 570 stations, and you know, grab you and say, listen, now for three hours every day.
I can't.
Best thing I can do is put on the best program I can put on every single day.
And that's that's my model.
That's what we try to do.
And so far, thanks to all of you, we have been successful, and and we're gonna continue because we're looking at this as a news information, reporting, investigative reporting, fun, entertaining radio talk show with, you know, yeah, we're journalists.
Yeah, we're also opinion people.
Yeah, we're also investigative reporters.
Yeah, we we sometimes moderate debates.
We interview newsmakers, like my interview with Jack Dorsey.
I promise you, it's just gonna be a news interview, basically.
I want to ask him, how do you deal?
Where is the line?
How do you find the line?
How do you determine the line?
Um, do you worry about a competitor that's gonna come out and say, all right, but for violence and threats of violence, everything goes, which probably would be appealing to a lot of crazy people.
But I have noticed my own personal self is that while it was fun for me for a while, it just it started to become an extra job because Twitter can be so addicting.
Social media can be so addicting that I find you just don't put it down.
All right, that's it, I'm done.
Wait, somebody just responded.
Let me say this to them.
Wait, I just one more thing.
Or I'm in a fight with you know that idiot over at ABC, what's that comedian's name at late at night that nobody watches?
You know, we have twice the ratings that this idiot has.
You know, nobody knows everybody thinks you're on a network, and that these networks have the numbers they used to have.
No, they don't.
They don't have anywhere near the numbers that they used to have.
You know, all these late night shows, we have higher ratings than all of them on hand.
Well, thanks to you on Hannity, on cable, not on broadcast.
You know, when the Singapore summit took place, we beat everybody CBS, ABC, NBC, obviously, whatever so-called news competition we have on cable, we've been them all.
It's a it is a new environment.
That's why I was surprised.
I know that Stern, Howard Stern is friends with Jimmy Kimmel, which is fine with me.
And he said, What is Kimmel getting in a spat with Hannity for?
You know, Hannity's on cable.
Hannity probably is dying to be on network.
And I'm like, Howard, where have you been?
You know media more than anybody.
We get twice the ratings this this friend of yours gets every day.
And anyway, but they're earning their low low ratings in most of the fake news media, but that's that's a different story for a different day.
Uh all right, so he'll join us coming up.
We're gonna look at uh, well, the polls, we're 90 days out of the election.
John McLaughlin and Doug Schoen joined us in the course of the program.
The president's attorney, Jay Sekulo, will also be with us.
Um everybody, I think in the media is getting wrong.
Look at by the way, Kobeck's comeback.
It looks like he's gonna win defeating a sitting governor for the Republican nomination in uh where is it?
Um uh Missouri.
No, um what do you eat?
I'm sorry, I'm having a piece of biscotty.
I didn't know you were gonna talk to me.
Uh-huh.
Because your accent is less less pronounced when you have biscotti in your mouth.
You know, by the way, Linda eats the single most disgusting food I've ever seen in my life.
She literally It's Biscotti that my page.
Okay, so she didn't give me any, so good luck to John James in Michigan.
I don't want any, but that's not the point.
She eats something that is grotesque that looks like pumpkin orange, and it's like it's it's like a pure.
First of all, it's but it reminds me of Oliver.
Please, uh wanting some all.
It's like squash soup.
I don't want the thing.
Don't give it away.
Oh my god, his wife made it.
Just eat it.
What's wrong with you?
No, because I got it because I asked him for because I reminded him, he gave all of you pieces.
He didn't give me one.
Are you afraid you're gonna put on a couple of ounces?
Is that what you're worried about?
All right, listen, this Mr. Mr. I'm in shape back there.
You're getting in better shape, which I applaud you for.
I actually done sit-ups the last three days.
Three days.
Ooh, amazing.
Yeah.
I you know how many I had to do today?
200.
I'm up to 200 sit-ups a day.
Oh, cry me a river.
Yeah, but now I'm doing different sit ups.
I do the sit-ups where I have to get up like Rocky and throw punches left, right, left, right.
It's hard.
It's just I'm but I do it.
All right, let's go to the election last night.
And uh the president pointed out rightly this morning, the media will never point it out that he was five for five in last night's elections, very close in the Ohio 12th district.
It's not final, but as of right now, we know that Troy Balderson leads by 0.9 percentage points, 1,754 votes over Democrat Danny O'Connor, 100 precincts fully reporting, but they've got some provisional absentee ballots.
Here's what's fascinating in the media won't tell you about that race.
There's a number of things.
Number one, the early voting was devastating, absolutely brutal to Troy Balderson.
He was getting killed.
Matter of fact, I spoke to a really good friend of mine in Ohio that knows all the numbers there.
He was so far behind, he didn't think he'd be able to come back.
The only reason I would argue is because Trump went in on Saturday night, literally dragged this guy across his back over the finish line.
A guy, though Franklin County is in his district, one of the biggest counties in his particular the Ohio 12th district, and he trashed the whole county because his opponent, uh Danny O'Connor's from there.
I'm like, how stupid are you?
And then he's talking about taking away people's Medicare.
That's also dumb.
Um, and but in spite of it, he won.
He needs to rectify that, in my humble opinion, in the next 90 days, uh, if he wants a chance.
But uh, you know, as the president pointed out, five for five for him, Republicans have now won eight out of nine House seats.
If you listen to the fake news media, you would think that they're being clobbered.
We're being clobbered.
Why can't they play it straight?
It's unfair to the Republican Party in particular, your favorite president.
Then he says, as long as I campaign support Senate House candidates within reason, they're gonna win.
And he said, if I find the time to hit the campaign trail, we'll have a red dry a giant red wave.
I'll get into all of that.
Um we have some really blockbuster, big massive news as it relates to the deep state.
We have the latest on the Manafort witch hunt, and now Democrats are scared to death because the Mueller team has been beaten up so badly by this judge, Judge Ellis in this case.
Um we'll get into the details and the revelations.
We'll see if maybe Mueller's guy cried again in court, big crybaby.
Um, 800 941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
You know, if the anti-Trump resistance was counting on a big blue wave this year, they failed miserably.
Now you also have to understand one other thing.
You cannot transfer charisma.
There are some horrible candidates, by the way, both Republican and Democrat.
Um, I mean, they're just horrible.
And I'm I'm just not going to start mentioning names, but I'm just telling you that they they're dumb, they have no charisma, they have no personality, they can't speak, they can't communicate.
And it they make it very hard.
And and just because somebody that does have charisma or is light, they can't necessarily pull them over the finish line.
Even the Washington Post pointed out that Democratic resistance hit a wall in last night's election, and you know, the they're pretty much the Democratic Party's leading, you know, go-to newspaper along with the New York Times, but admitting that the left wing of the Democratic Party, the engine of the Trump resistance crashed and burned in last night's primary.
That's not being reported.
I think the funniest thing is you got Hollywood nut jobs, Alyssa Milano and company.
They're blaming the Russians for all the Democrats losing last night, and all the candidates that were endorsed by the Democratic Socialist rising star Ocasio Cortez went down to defeat.
We'll get into all of that and uh much more.
And we've got some big breaking news as it relates to the deep state.
Stay with us.
And Jay Sekulow will join us.
And the CEO of Twitter joins us today.
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So in Kansas...
What is wrong with me sometimes?
Uh I was up late last night like a maniac following every one of these election results.
Uh anyway, Chris Kobach has upset uh the sitting governor, 40.6% to 40.5%, a hundred and twenty-six thousand two hundred and fifty-seven to a hundred and twenty-six thousand uh sixty-six votes, a hundred and ninety-one vote difference.
Now, I know they got other absentee ballots, just like in the Ohio 12.
I don't think Ohio 12 is in any danger of changing, and I I tend to think that probably the same is true in Kansas, but new state law allows ballots postmarked as of Tuesday to be counted so long as they arrive three days after the election.
But you have the sitting governor and Chris Kobach virtually tied atop a seven candidate field, two-thirds of the precincts counted.
And uh Kobach, who is the Kansas Secretary of State, you know, is a strong conservative, uh, tough on immigration and believes in strict voter ID laws.
But, you know, given the close margin here, we know that there were some Final results were a little slowed by Johnson County.
They had some tabulation problems.
You never know what that means.
But anyway, the presidents of thousands as yet uncounted provisional ballots, extraordinary problems with the count.
John Johnson County elections too close to call, but Chris Kolbach is winning.
We'd love to see him win that seat.
Another race that a lot of people were paying attention to.
The president talked about Michigan Republican Senate candidate, John James, who we'll be getting on this program is a as a star of the GOP.
He's a conservative.
He's an Iraq war veteran.
And he won the state's primary on Tuesday, happens to be African American.
President tweeted out.
Congratulations to future star of the Republican Party, future Senator John James.
A big and bold victory tonight in the great state of Michigan, the first of many.
November cannot come fast enough, the president tweeted.
Which I thought was, you know what?
This race, that's going to be very interesting.
Wisconsin's going to be very interesting.
You know, I think the biggest problem for the Democrats in 90 days is they don't have a vision.
They don't have any plans except uh, oh, uh, we want, even though they're crumbs, we want them back.
Remember they're saying, oh, the tax, it's only a mere crumbs for people.
Well, they're just crumbs, you know, 1,000, $2,000 a family.
Why do you want the crumbs back so bad?
Why are you running on taking the crumbs back?
Why are you running on eliminating ice and open borders?
You know, that's not good for national security, and it's not good for job opportunities for Americans.
Doesn't mean we can't have a big door in the wall that we build with Mexico.
We can.
I'd like an opportunity to vet anybody that comes into the country or that wants to come into the country.
Vet them based on we we want to make sure they're friends of this country.
What do you see what we're doing with Secretary Nielsen tonight on Hannity?
You know, the drones by these drug cartels in Mexico, they fly drones into our airspace.
And what they're doing is they're basically scoping out where the security people are so they can literally dictate and guide drug smugglers to the to the route that is safest for them to get their drugs into the country.
And worse, human trafficking as well.
You know, we can't, if that one such drone, you know, they got these small drones now.
They fly them everywhere.
And networks are now beginning to use them instead of helicopters.
And you can actually arm even a small drone.
It's pretty scary.
You know, remember the video of the Amazon package being dropped on your door?
Okay, but you can arm it.
And the problem is is you think we could actually take that drone out of the air and say stop using drones to see where our security forces are?
No, we can't.
Because we have to get a warrant.
It's a drone that comes in from Mexico, as I understand it.
Apparently we have video of it, and we're not allowed to do a thing.
Violating our airspace, making sure that whatever smuggling is going on, human trafficking, drug trafficking, that it can they can know exactly where our security forces are.
Why would we need a warrant to take that out of the air?
It's not risking human life or capture it.
Do something.
Anyway, we'll get into that.
But the biggest problem, look, the Democrats, they want to impeach the president.
They're not saying it.
They're basically it's a lie by omission.
But they do.
The left wing of their party.
So they've tried to silence everybody who was saying it.
And they want their crumbs back.
They want to rescind the tax cuts.
You know, they're running on hate, hate, hate, hate, hate Trump.
Impeach and peach impeach or peach Trump.
Then they want open borders, eliminate ice.
They want to keep Obamacare.
And they have no agenda.
They want to basically take us back to what the Obama years were like.
I'm not going to go through all of Obama's statistics.
If you listen to this program regularly, you know how bad it was.
And if you're just watching, you know how how bad it is and how things have turned around economically.
You know, on top of 14 states with record low unemployment, on top of women in the workforce record low unemployment and Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans and African Americans, historic lows.
Told you the news out of Bloomberg yesterday under the president's watch in the three months through July, the employment to population ratio for black Americans is in Bloomberg.
Average 58.3% employment to population ratio.
In other words, what's happening in the labor market?
That is just a 2.3 percentage point difference between white Americans.
Again, everybody breaks things down demographically.
Why is that important?
It's the smallest gap on record.
Going back to 1972.
What does that mean?
We we want a quality of opportunity in America.
What does that mean?
That means that everybody is prospering under the conservative conservative economic policies of the president, the tax cuts of the president, the deregulation of the president, the energy production increases of the president.
It's only the beginning.
We ever really tap into our energy resources.
I mean, it's going to be amazing.
I love how all these Chicago Democratic legislators have given up on Deadfish Emmanuel.
They're begging the president intervene, you know, to stop the carnage.
Look what happened last weekend.
Oh, but but Deadfish is blaming Chicago's residents for the 71 people shot over the last weekend.
And he said that it's up to the city residents to put an end to the rolling massacre that's sweeping his city.
Oh, really?
It's their job.
What are we supposed to do?
We're going to get moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas and you know, little old ladies out with with, you know, what, a broom?
We're gonna take our kitchen knife outside when they're firing bullets at you.
What are you gonna?
How do you gonna defend against that?
No, we need a police presence to protect and serve our fellow citizens in Chicago that are being massacred.
Just like Rudy did in New York, successfully comes in.
New York is a is a pit.
An absolute disaster.
You talk you had these squeegee guys, they they'd stop you at a red light, try and clean your windshield with filthy, dirty water, and demand money.
Not ask for money.
They demanded money.
Homeless was out of control, homelessness, averaging almost 2,500 murders a year.
That was driven down to like three, four, less than 500.
And it stayed that way because of tough policing.
And people's lives were saved.
This takes the cake, by the way.
This was on Fox News.com, an MS-13 killer held in the Nassau County jail.
My mom worked there, I think what, 25 years as a prison guard.
Know all about the Nassau County jail.
She kept predicting I might end up there myself.
Anyway, this guy is complaining that, you know, not all that far from where I live.
He's apparently murdered so many people, his nickname is the Reaper.
Turns out the Reaper doesn't like the fact that he's been put in jail.
And he's complaining.
Long Island's newspapers called News Day.
I even delivered that paper.
I delivered the Daily News.
I delivered the Long Island Press.
There were all three of them, at some point I had a paper out for all of them.
Yeah, and I don't want, I don't want the Daily News to go out of business.
And Daily News hates me.
Didn't they put me on the cover for something?
I was on, I think it was over the Michael Cohn, I'm the third client thing that wasn't true.
I think they put me on the cover.
Didn't they put me on the cover?
I got I finally got a tabloid cover.
It was great.
Anyway, he says he's suffering in America, that he's a victim of discrimination, and he's ticked off that his fellow inmates call him El Chapo.
I don't know who you're gonna complain to.
Nancy Pelosi, maybe she'll sympathize with you.
Anyways, an alleged major drug trafficker is accused of being a kingpin in the brutal MS-13 gang telling a judge that life in lockup is unbearable, complaining about a lock lack of phone access and discrimination.
He's facing in jail.
I don't even know what to say to all that.
Anyway, back to last night's elections.
Um president saying he's five for five.
Trump candidates winning, a big, big win in Missouri, where the attorney general won the GOP Senate primary.
This guy by the name of Josh Hawley, he's the guy that I hope takes out Claire McCaskill.
Pay close attention.
All these people will be on the show in the next 90 days, the important races.
Um, Their resistance hit a wall.
I mean, it was fascinating to watch that every single solitary person that the new rising Democratic star, uhcasio Cortez supported, didn't win.
It's like a kiss of death if she gave you her socialist, you know, endorsement.
Um Washington Post says the Democrats, Democratic Party's left wing insurgency found its limits Tuesday night, with voters favoring establishment candidates over the more liberal challengers in almost every closely watched race across several states.
I think my favorite item of the day, though, is about Hollywood.
You know, what would we do without Hollywood?
Alyssa Milano.
What show is she on?
Do you remember what show she was on?
Who's the boss?
Who's the boss?
Charmed.
Who's the boss?
I don't know.
She blamed the Russians after the Democrats lost Tuesday night in the special election in Ohio.
You know what sucks, she writes, because of our unwillingness to pass policy that protects our election integrity.
I immediately think the Green Party votes tonight are Russian meddling.
Why else would anyone cast a protest vote in Ohio when there's such so much at stake?
It turns out even the Green Party candidate out of the race, but by the way, uh the Green Party without the race, this still the Republican would have won.
Maybe we should get her a calculator for Christmas.
Um, you know, all these candidates.
Celebrities trashing Ohio voters.
That's another thing.
Shows what contempt they have.
You know, it's Chelsea Handler tried to weigh in.
Breaking news, special elections, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, John Legend, Bet Midler, Alyssa Milano.
I don't even know half these people.
Deborah Messi.
I hate Hollywood.
I think I'm the only person on earth that has every, you know, Cinemax, Showtime.
I got them all, I got all those HBO, and there are some good series occasionally, good shows occasionally.
I got Netflix, I got it all.
I think I'm the only person that literally can go through everything.
I will scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll, and then I'll still go back to like Gladiator or Braveheart.
Because there's nothing good.
I think these shows are awful.
It's amazing the garbage that gets put out there every day.
You know, if you want to go back, you know, well, Democrats have gained 44 state legislative seats in what the almost two years since Trump's in in office.
Everybody seems to forget nearly a thousand state legislative seats were gained by Republicans under Obama.
Nearly a thousand.
I mean, if you you look at it, it is remarkable how how what the damage that Obama actually did to the country and to the Democratic Party.
You know, but we do know that there are some good things, you know, with the economy that are going on.
All right, we've got um a couple of stories that are emerging here.
And one of them really has to do with Bruce Orr.
And we broke this with John Solomon last night.
Everything, everything that we know is even worse than what we thought.
You know, clear evidence that the former associate deputy attorney general Bruce Orr was exactly at the very center of the Clinton's campaign effort to influence yes, rigele with your federal government as a tool to do it, an election against Donald Trump.
Yeah, I uh you you can't make up what's happening.
And we've got two breaking stories that should be ready by tonight for Hannity at nine that are even going to take this further.
It is so much worse than we ever thought.
Senior DOJ official helping Bruce Orr, helping Democratic researchers.
In other words, fusion GPS, Christopher Steele, Bruce Orr.
They're all meeting.
They tried to defeat Trump before the election with these lies, and then after they tried to undermine them.
It's all true.
Every bit of it.
So we'll get into that when we get back.
Uh A lot to get to.
Also, the Twitter CEO, in light of, you know, what's happened to info wars and a decision by YouTube and others, Facebook to get rid of Alex Jones and Lewis Farrakhan was another one that, but they only partially banned him.
How do you make the decisions?
It's a little more nuanced and complicated, I think, than people think.
There's some obvious choices.
What do you do when it's not so obvious?
As we roll along, Sean Hannity Show Hour 2, 800 941.
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I am getting word that the story that we broke last night on Hannity, everything that we thought we knew about how the deep state, high-ranking officials, Justice Department, FBI, et cetera,
were coordinating in their attempt to derail the Trump candidacy, and then later the Trump presidency's now got an extraordinarily worse with the revelations that came out hundreds of pages of previously unreported emails and memos providing the clearest evidence yet that fusion GPS with the funneled money from Hillary and the DNC to find dirt on Donald Trump,
which resulted in the hiring of a foreign agent, Christopher Steele, uh, and how that not only was that disseminated in an effort to debunk lies from Russia to influence the American people, but also then after the election,
that in fact that there were a series of emails and and meetings and correspondence with the deputy attorney general Bruce Orr, who reported to the deputy AG Sally Yates, where they maintained contact with Fusion GPS, and in particular their primary source, British spy Christopher Steele.
This is both before, during, and after the election.
And it's worse than we thought.
And we have Orr's own notes.
He's far more extensively involved.
Remember, his wife worked for Fusion GPS for Glenn Simpson, and the emails and text messages show that he communicated extensively with Christopher Steele, who, in an interrogatory in Great Britain under the threat of perjury, actually said, Well, that's just raw intelligence.
50-50 chance may be a best.
But these notes now show these documents now have been turned over in recent weeks, and now we're slowly beginning to get them out.
What we're learning today, I'll just give you a headline of what we expect to be out by the time we get on at 9 Eastern tonight, is that you have Steele, you know, writing or apparently there was uh effort and an attempt repeatedly to meet with contact and perhaps even had contact with Robert Mueller, you know, and the special counsel and the special counsel colleagues.
And uh that they were disappointed because they would risk everything to help reach the truth, even though this whole thing was debunked.
On top of lying to FISA court judges.
Well, we'll get into all of this in the course of this program and also tonight on Hannity, Nine Eastern, first joining us.
He is the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, Counsel to the President, Jay Seculo is back with us.
Uh good to talk to you, sir.
How are you?
You too.
Good.
Um, I want to first go to the biggest question that everybody seems to now be asking, and it seems like a decision is in the process of being made, and that is whether the president who had stated himself that he would not mind speaking to Robert Mueller, will in fact speak to Robert Mueller, um, which every attorney that I know is saying is a bad idea.
You happen to be the president's attorney.
Right.
Well, look, uh, we've said this is an ongoing process, and in that process, you evaluate the situation and you make recommendations.
Look, I've been very clear, it was on your broadcast last night on television.
I've said it on my own broadcast.
Uh my inclination, the inclination of the legal team is not we've been shy about this, is not to allow the president to uh sit down for an interview for a whole host of reasons.
The most significant of which is we believe that it's inappropriate under Article II of the United States Constitution.
Uh, having said that, and as I've said before, the president has has expressed a desire To sit down, so that's why you continue negotiations because ultimately the president's the one that makes the decision, but we have strong recommendations.
And as more of this information comes out, as you just reported, that goes to the fundamental issue that I've been saying for a long time.
As you look at what commenced in the beginning of this inquiry, what started this investigation.
And there has been I mean, corruption from the start of this, and unfortunately it permeates the whole whole whole situation.
And that you could go through the parade of horribles as I call it again, but in the reality, there's not a lawyer in America that would say under those circumstances, oh just let the president walk in for an interview.
We're not going to do that anyways.
I mean, no one's going to let anybody just walk into an interview.
So there's a process you go through, and part of that process, the most significant part of that process is you weigh the issues as it relates to the United States Constitution, the impact on the president, current, and the office of the presidency.
And that's what we are dealing with.
And at the end of the day, we will then make the conclusion.
We we sent in a response today.
I'm not going to get into the content of that response, but needless to say, uh what we are proposing uh is something that we would be comfortable with.
Whether they are uh whether Bob Mueller's team is or not, that's going to be up to them.
Well, where I mean, I gotta assume at some point this is now going to come to a head here.
Is it coming to a head?
Are we gonna know for sure in a relatively short period of time, or is as far as I can tell, and looking from the outside in, it seems like this has been going on now for quite a long time.
So look, I mean, if you look at it historically, it's not that long in the in the sense of the negotiation about an interview because this is what happens in in these kind of situations.
There's a back and forth.
But I've been practicing law a long time.
I've represented you for a long time.
I mean, let's be realistic here.
Uh, you know me, and you've known me for a long time as your friend and your lawyer.
I don't give dates.
I don't say No, and you're a very tough lawyer.
Look, I I love uh I love you both as a friend and a lawyer, and um I know how I know how tough you are, and I know you're very methodical, and and I think I have a pretty good understanding of how you think.
I just think to me look, I look at you know how I feel about Robert Mueller.
You know how I feel about Andrew Weissman.
You know how I feel about, you know, the team of if Jeannie Ray, why is she there?
She worked for the Clinton Foundation, Andrew Weissman's track record.
Um, you know, right now we're watching the trial of the century.
Paul Manafort is, you know, this has nothing to do with Russia, nothing to do with collusion, nothing to do with the president, nothing to do with the campaign.
But there's an indictment about tax charges from 2005.
Judge Ellis in the case said this is put to put the screws to mana for it, so he'll sing or compose for the purpose of impeaching or prosecuting President Trump.
That's scary.
This is what my colleague uh and friend Rudy Giuliani said.
He said today that millions of pages of documents have already been given.
Testimony from dozens of witnesses have been provided, and we're uh restating what we've been saying for a long time, and that is it's time for the Office of Special Counsel to conclude its inquiry without further delay.
We believe that.
We believe that we've been the most transparent of any type of presidential inquiry there's ever been.
We've handed over.
I mean, that's just from the White House side at 1.4 million documents.
There's others as well.
I mean, it's one for four million documents, campaign documents part of that.
I mean, there a lot of documents, millions.
And witnesses.
So there are two witnesses to go.
Hold it.
And we've allowed those witnesses to go forward.
And now they want to ask the president, what were you thinking when you fired James Comey?
The answer to that is no.
You don't get to ask that question in our view.
So you come back with, as these things work through to answer your question, you come back then with a response to the special counsel that says, this is what we're willing to do, this is where we're not willing to go, and see if there is a place uh that we can arrive at.
You know, you always hope you can.
We'll see.
There are two issues.
One is, quote, obstruction, the other would be some type of collusion, or now they're using the word conspiracy with with Russia.
Um you know, I'm looking at I I don't think from the beginning this was a legitimate special counsel.
I think there's a certain illegitimacy to this.
Number one, I think that politics...
It started as a counterintelligence investigation and morphed into this other, because why?
Because there's not evidence of collusion with the Russians on the campaign.
Okay, there's none.
And and the very you know what's frustrating to me as somebody that has been peeling every layer of the onion and and pointing out that there is evidence of some Russian interference and collusion that nobody seems to want to pay attention to, and that's Hillary funneling money to a law firm, Perkins Coey,
and Perkins Coe hiring G fusion GPS, and they're hiring a foreign agent by the name of Christopher Steele, and Christopher Steele is then, you know, providing, you know, uh salacious details that had never been verified about Donald Trump, as a matter of fact, now have been debunked, and that becomes the basis of a Pfizer warrant.
More importantly, that information is spread to the American people, which is nothing but propaganda, misinformation, and lies.
And it was used to get a Pfizer warrant to spy on an American citizen who happened to be a campaign associate of Trump in an election year, Jay.
Yeah, this is the look, I call it the parade of horribles.
You remember I was critical of of uh James Comey when he intervened by you know doing that whole stunt he did where he laid out all the facts and then said I'm not gonna I don't think he should have said anything.
Then he reopens it, then he closes it again.
That kind of of what what he did there, as the inspector general said was wrong from the start and violated the internal rules and regulations of the United States Department of Justice.
Now we're still waiting for uh the IG report as it relates just to James Comey.
But the issues of bias, all of this look, all of this factors in.
You have to look at all of this when it comes down to the question that everybody's debating today and talking about, and that is whether there will be an interview or not.
And I think what we have to understand, and this is I believe, in our view, uh as the president's lawyers here, that we have to look at all of these factors and then make the recommendation that we think is correct.
Now, as I said, we're not inclined to have him sit down for an interview.
That doesn't mean it won't happen.
Uh but that's not our inclination.
And and so far we haven't been we have not, in our view, have not really seen anywhere near the standard.
First of all, I think there's a whole prohibition first under the Constitution.
And then under the ESP case, which I don't want to get in the weeds here, which is a case that governs the District of Columbia, there's a two-part standard.
I don't believe they've met that.
Having said that, the President has said he would like to interview if possible.
I hope at the end of the day he will, and I believe he will listen to his lawyers.
But we've got we'll make an informed decision.
Uh do I think it's coming sooner rather than later?
Yes, but that's not an answer to your question on when.
Sooner rather than later.
Yeah, I think it's a good thing.
How does this end?
I mean, I do think it needs to I do think it's time for this to be put to bed.
When do you think that when does this end?
I mean, and how do you think it ends?
Well, it ends with a report.
I mean, he it remember, this is not a trial, this is a report.
There'll be a report.
That report uh will say whatever that they put in.
We're gonna we're drafting our own, as you can imagine.
We've been involved in the evidence for over a year now uh on the legal side of this.
And I think, as Rudy Julian Honey said, there's still a lot of negotiating to be done if if there's uh uh any kind of movement on uh uh a possibility of an interview.
We'll see.
Uh written questions would be as a form of an interview too, and that there's a historic precedent for that.
Uh Lawrence Walsh did that with uh Ronald Reagan.
So there's historic precedent for that.
We'll see.
I you know, look, I I I'm I'm hopeful that it gets resolved quickly for the good of the country and for the fact that uh I really believe that there's there's no more witnesses to interview as far as we know.
There's no more documents to turn over.
That's where it is.
Let me ask you the ending if if the if the I want to say this uh a demand to interview the president is this is not like interviewing any other person that's a potential uh defendant in a case.
It's the president of the United States, and the constitutional impact of that is very significant.
So we can't.
Well, the Constitution is with the President.
And if the if Muller were to subpoena what is that, uh uh uh potentially a year or longer long fight that goes to the Supreme Court?
Look, I mean, I can't remember I came in this case because that's what I do is Supreme Court practice, and um look, the constitutional issue here is significant.
You'd go to a district court with a motion of quash, that would take a period of time, then you go to a court of appeals, and then probably the entire entire court of appeals for the District of Columbia.
It's called an on-bank review, and then either side wins or loses, I'll take the case up on a petition for search royal.
That'll be argued for a period of time.
Yeah, it could take any, I mean it could easily take a year.
Let me ask you.
I don't know if that's where this goes.
I think I think that the you know, and maybe it does, but I I'm hard pressed to me to believe that the Department of Justice would do that in light of their own policies and guidelines in the light of the existing precedent.
Um with all the talk about well, oh, what the president had said well over a year ago that, yeah, at this meeting at Trump Tower, uh there might have been some talk about, oh, we've got some information on Hillary you might be interested in, which is perfectly legal, and every politician would take that call and meeting.
Um, but there is evidence of collusion or conspiracy because we got a tape of Adam Schiff, J Secul.
I want to play a little bit of it for you where he's dying to get information and dirt on Donald Trump from a Russian.
Okay, and Sabuseva Met with Trump uh in in uh New York at some point after the 2013 Miss Universe.
Uh yes.
Absolutely.
And she got uh compromising materials on trapped after their uh short relations.
Okay.
And who and what's the nature of the compromise?
Well, there were pictures of naked Trump.
Okay.
And so Putin was made aware uh of the the availability of the compromising material?
Yes, of course, uh Buzawa shared those materials with uh Sobchuk and Subshark shares those materials with uh Putin because she's uh Goddaughter of Putin and Putin decided to press on Trump.
Um the materials that you can provide to the committee or to the FBI, uh would they corroborate this allegation?
Sure, of course.
Uh when they were in Ukraine, we got their just for the sake of time.
I mean, and it goes on.
How is that any different from what they're accusing the president of and his family of?
Here's the big I'll give you the biggest difference.
The the the conversation that took place uh based on what uh Don Jr. and others have said was based on what was ended up being not about uh compromising campaign material, but ended up the substantive conversation ended up being about uh the Majinski Act and the Russian adoption.
So there you have it.
That would be a good idea.
And there's nothing illegal if somebody to meet with somebody, oh, you got information on my opponent.
What is it?
Doesn't that happen every and then you got the dossier that Hillary paid for, except that was Russian lies she paid for?
You know, here's what people do do do gloss over, and I think Alan Dershewich has been really effective on this, and that is in the context of campaign finance law, and I I argued one of the campaign finance cases at the Supreme Court.
Twenty seconds a portion of McCain Fine Gold I had Title III, which involved minors not being able to contribute to campaigns, same kind of rationale uh of what it would mean to elections, and and I won that case, uh, my section, uh nine to zero.
And the there's overriding a lot of this, and you have to put it under the context you have a statute that has to be interpreted consistent with the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
You really secular give information but receive information.
So, I've got a role here, the CEO of Twitter, Jack Dorsey next.
A lot has now come up in recent days as Facebook and YouTube are banning Alex Jones and you know the couple of things that are in play here.
Um one people saying well it's a violation of First Amendment rights, and well, it's uh they actually do, it's it's not really a First Amendment issue in the sense that as long as it's not government censoring, these are companies, and if companies make decisions that they don't like the content, but the question is what's gonna happen?
You know, who gets to make these decisions?
Who gets to decide?
Um Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey uh made a decision not to ban Alex Jones.
Um, but then the issue of Lewis Farrakhan comes up, and that was brought up immediately after Alex Jones, and then YouTube only banned part of uh Lewis Farrakhan, not other parts of Lewis Farrakhan.
And I think what you've got here, very complicated issue, then the issue of shadow banning or stealth banning or ghost banning or comment ghosting is what it's an act basically that some companies have used to block a user in their content from the online community such that yeah, they might have put it up there, but there's no way anybody could either see it or spread it uh because of the algorithms that these guys are able to put in place.
It raises a whole host of issues here.
Uh my prediction is is that if certain people are banned, and let listen, if you're on any social media, you know how vile it can get.
And I'll just speak for myself and my experience, uh the things that have been said, the pictures that have been made up, the vile, vicious threats that I have received are all there.
Um I I tend to be myself a First Amendment absolutist.
In other words, I think, for example, on television, on radio, on uh and on social media, we all make decisions about the content that we choose to engage in.
In other words, you are the final arbiter.
And if these companies are gonna decide, well, this person stays and this person goes, and maybe they have one political bent over another political vent uh bent, I would imagine over some period of time that there's gonna be alternative competitors that allow everybody to say pretty much anything they want.
Now it gets more complicated.
What if somebody is giving out instructions like years ago, the Anarchist Cookbook was a big controversy?
What if you're teaching people how to build bombs to hurt people?
What do you do in cases if if people are making direct threats?
What do you do with people that are just plain absolute hate racists, bigots, anti-Semites?
What do you do in that case?
Where does the line get drawn?
It's not the simple is not as simple when you really want to have an honest discussion about it as it may seem on the surface.
Anyway, it's his first and I think it's going to be his only interview.
Jack Dorsey is the CEO of Twitter.
I really appreciate you coming on because I'm sure this is probably the last thing you want to do is come on my radio program.
But uh I appreciate you coming on and answering the questions.
You have decided not to ban Alex Jones in his particular case.
Your argument was he hasn't violated your rules, but I think this is far more complicated than I think some people might understand.
How are you?
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Well, thank you, Sean, for the first for the opportunity to talk with your listeners and also painting a picture of the complexities that we're facing.
This is uh definitely not easy, but we're we're trying to approach this with uh a very simple principle is how do we earn more trust?
And the way for us to earn more trust around how we make decisions, the algorithms that um help us enforce these decisions is try to be as open as possible about them.
We haven't done a great job at that in the past.
We're trying to communicate a lot more in a clear and straightforward way, but uh there's a lot a lot of nuance uh in everything that we're facing and we want to make sure that we're gonna be able to do that.
Where have you not done a good job, Jack?
Where do you think you've you've fallen short in terms of this particular issue?
Aaron Powell Well, I think the I think the first thing is that we, you know, in the past we did not communicate why we would take action on tweets or why we might suspend temporarily or permanently.
We want to communicate that to those reasons to the person who was suspended or or tweets in question, and also the reporters.
So simple communication within the product, but more broadly, we haven't done a great job at communicating our principles, the the you know, the guidelines that that help us um make the decisions in the first place.
So we're getting better and better step by step, but we have a lot more work to do there.
Let me ask about specific questions.
Has Twitter ever been involved in shadow banning?
We do not shadow ban according to political ideology or viewpoint or content, period.
Uh we every every model that we have on the network uh is really looking at the behaviors on the network.
Uh we take those behaviors as signals.
And I do want to point out that these signals evolve uh minute like minute by minute, hourly by hourly.
These are not scarlet permanent letters that people then take on as a badge and will never be ranked high in search or not allowed to trend or ranked high in conversation.
So these are models that are looking at behaviors and behaviors of bad faith actors who intend to manipulate, distract, divide uh a conversation, um, or to unfairly amplify their content, which they didn't earn.
So those are the signals that factor in.
Uh and and we do rank uh search, we do rank trends and we do rank conversations accordingly.
That does not affect one's timeline.
If you follow someone on Twitter, you're going to see them in your timeline.
Now we do uh rank the timeline for relevance, so it might take some scrolling to see everything.
But you can also turn that ranking off in the settings so you can see everything in recency order.
What about, and uh I think this might be something everybody agrees on?
Let's start with people that are calling for some type of violence of any kind or threatening violence against an inju individual.
I think that would probably be an easy we're not gonna allow that, right?
Yes, that that is much easier.
Any sort of uh violent speech encouragement towards violence, uh harassment uh is directly against our terms of service and we take immediate action on it.
What if somebody now it gets more nuanced?
Oh, I wish somebody would just punch Hannity in the face.
What do you do then?
Well, we have to in in all these considerations, not to get into specifics, we have to take the context.
We have to really understand what the context of the conversation is, and this is extremely hard for an algorithm to do and certainly hard for humans to do.
So we make sure that all of our folks understand the cultural context that something is said.
Because some cultural contexts allow for some speech that enables some speech that other cultural contexts don't.
So as we review cases of reports or blocks or mutes, we have to make sure that we're taking into consideration that context and then acting appropriately.
And doing so with warnings, with notices, with uh a temporary lock of the account until that tweet is reviewed or or deleted and ideally giving them the exact reasons why it violates or you have enough people that would be able to monitor and handle that that you won't miss threats?
We'll certainly miss things and we're we're certainly going to make mistakes along the way that's why it's important for us to make sure that we have to I think it's more complicated than everybody knows here.
Now what do you do in the case of uh a figure that is known either a white racist or supremacist or a KKK member or maybe on the other end of the spectrum you've got Lewis Farrakhan known anti-Semite racist what do you do when they set up an account?
Is it that you you now you monitor them and if if it's a certain video that they're linking to, if it's a certain article that has racist ramblings in it, then it becomes a little again it becomes a little more nuanced sometimes or maybe somebody is an overt racist and they use horrible language and then maybe somebody is more subtle and they use code language that is racist.
It's it in that sense you know it becomes harder does it does it not it does become it does become harder.
But so we rely on a bunch of signals including reports um from those who that account might attack or from bystanders and then we also take into consideration again the context of everything that's happening around it.
Some of the uh groups that you mentioned earlier on there might be uh violent extremist groups that try to get onto our service and we take that into consideration we also look in those particular cases at off platform behavior as well so things that aren't just happening on Twitter but happening on other platforms or in the real world.
All right.
Well, at Jack, by the way, if you ever want to write the CEO of Twitter, and I know you try to respond to many people because I've seen your account.
We'll come back.
I want to discuss the slippery slope aspect of this, if it's political content or controversial content.
And how do you make decisions on those things?
And as we continue, Jack Dorsey is with us.
He is the CEO of Twitter.
At Jack is his handle if you want to write him about any of the issues we're discussing as it relates to, OK, what how are the decisions made that some people get?
to post and some people let me ask you about this particular case.
I know people there are a lot of people that like Alex Jones.
He has a fairly significant audience yeah he said what he said about Sandy Hook.
I've I've actually never really heard his show I've only seen clips on like media it of him I don't listen to any really anybody else's show.
I just try to focus on my own shows.
But now it uh what I think most of your Twitter people that use Twitter are probably concerned about is when where it's a slippery slope.
You know who gets to decide what's controversial content?
Who gets to decide what gets pulled off and what doesn't get pulled off who gets to decide any of this isn't there an argument to be made Jack that the people should decide meaning they don't have to go to that Twitter account.
They don't have to read certain things and from my own experience you can go look at my timeline and I promise you you're gonna see horrific things uh about me and by the way they make up what do you call these things memes that they make up you know they're pretty vicious and hostile I prefer my kids not see them but I'm a kind of First Amendment purist in a way.
Yeah I mean I I I think there's a I think there's a few things here.
So first um yes uh people should decide who they follow and who they want to hear from and that's uh you know that's a fairly mechanical action hitting the follow button and and those tweets should appear in your timeline.
We do try to rank them for relevance of what you think uh of of what the algorithm thinks based on all your behaviors what you should see first but everything is there.
Second there are there are areas of those of the service like search and trends and replies where anyone can inject themselves.
And one of the things that we have noticed is there are certain behaviors that silence speech.
They they silence voices.
And we want to make sure that people have a lot more control over their experience to make sure that they want to engage in that sort of conversation, they're able to.
But if they don't, it's downright.
Um, so they don't have to see it immediately, but if they want to see it, it is it is there.
So that's the same thing.
Are you concerned that if you make a decision, say on Alex Jones or somebody?
Louis Farrakhan is controversial.
I'm not comparing the two in any way.
I'm just giving two names just out of a hat.
That if if this happens, do you see an alternative Twitter universe that lets it all go?
Maybe with the exception of violence or threats uh to individuals.
I mean, is that like, for example, I I mean, look, at least you're willing to come on this show and answer some questions for people.
I applaud you for that.
Facebook and uh I know YouTube have are in hiding right now under their desks and they don't want to respond.
Um, and I think you deserve a lot of credit for that, but you know what I'm asking here.
I mean, is there a competitor that's gonna come up and say we're gonna let everybody say whatever they want to say, too bad, as long as it's not a threat?
Well, I think there's always boundaries to that.
I mean, you you enumerated a number of them around violent threats or giving up personal information around someone's home or office or uh identifiable information that that people could utilize to put them in real physical harm.
So we need to balance all of those constraints.
We've tried to codify them into our terms of service.
Those terms of service are a contract that we have with people signing up to the service.
These are the rules of the road.
And if if you're the way and you have you're allowed as a private company, even a public company to set up standards and rules.
This is not about freedom of speech where the government is intervening, correct?
Right.
It's well, I mean, it's uh we we do believe in the power of free expression, but we also need to balance that with the fact that bad faith actors intentionally try to silence other voices, and and that is not allowing everyone to freely express themselves.
I bet you over the years have gotten people to say, hey, you need to ban Sean Hannity.
Is that true?
I haven't heard those requests directly, but I'm sure someone is saying it somewhere.
Yeah.
But that's that's well, that's okay.
But it's you know, it's it's just a question of like how we how we balance these these aspects.
And to answer your question, I think the only way to do this in earn trust is to be open about it and to work really hard to explain why we make decisions, how our algorithms make decisions, which is even more complicated and more nuanced, but it's it's work worth doing because people need to see the whys and the reasons behind our actions or inaction.
I honestly applaud you.
Um I know these other guys are hiding under their desks, and you know what?
I know some people will like what you have to say or not like what you have to say, but you I uh I appreciate your approach of dealing with this directly.
I I offer the show to you, my TV show any time you want, um, because I think it's an important issue, and I do think it is far more complicated and far more nuanced than maybe some of the headlines I've been reading.
Uh, but I am concerned if it's gonna turn into a ban only conservative issue, which I could see happening.
Uh but anyway, Jack Dorsey at Jack on Twitter, the CEO of Twitter.
Uh, thank you for being with us.
Uh and we really do appreciate you taking the time.
Thank you for the opportunity and the time.
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Danny, can I ask you real quick?
You're live on CBSN.
Uh what's your status tonight?
Have you conceded?
Are you waiting to see?
No, we feel great.
This is too close to call.
Uh, we're fighting for every vote.
You know, this this fight continues.
Working people need a voice.
They need a champion.
What's your understanding of how many votes remain outstanding at this point?
Too few to you know call this a night.
I think we we need to make sure that this process is respected because too many people have worked too hard, too many people want to have a real voice in Washington, too many people want a congressman that's going to represent every county.
And we need to make sure that we're doing this the right way.
All right, that was the uh important Ohio 12 uh yesterday, which was held by a Republican and what was a tight race.
Uh there still are votes out to count and uh some provisional ballots, etc.
absentee ballots.
What was really fascinating about it is the early voting.
I talked to a friend of mine who knows Ohio politics so well, it was devastating.
This guy was going to lose.
Anyway, uh meaning Troy Balderson.
Trump went in on Saturday, and it was day of voting that ended up saving his opportunity here, or certainly would have been a seat that got lost.
Uh he made a couple of dumb decisions in the course of the campaign, uh talking negatively about one of the biggest counties that uh is in his district, Franklin County.
We don't want to elect a guy from Franklin County.
Great.
I'm sure the people of Franklin County really love that remark.
Did it about another county, and then he also talked about the third rail taking, get you know, changing and shifting and getting rid of Medicare.
I mean, two dumbest campaign I've ever seen, so he's gonna have some work to do with the constituents in the Ohio 12, but I don't think there's any doubt about it that uh President Trump uh helped him.
He's now point nine percentage points ahead, one thousand seven hundred and fifty-four votes exactly.
Danny O'Connor, you know, we have a hundred percent of the precinct's reporting, but the president also now declaring victory this morning after the candidates that he endorsed in yesterday's primaries all scored big wins.
And he tweeted at uh about 10 30 this morning, five for five.
And in a second tweet, he accused the media of downplaying the Republican Party's record of success in special elections.
Republicans now winning eight of nine house seats, but yet if you listen to the fake news media, you'd think we'd be in Ben clobbered.
You know, why can't they play it straight?
So unfair.
Republican Party in particular, your favorite president, he wrote, he also claimed that as long as I campaign and or support Senate House candidates within reason, they will win.
And he said Republicans could have a red wave in November uh in November's elections.
We're now 90 days out.
It is to me the most important midterm elections in our lifetime.
I see absolutely nothing from the Democratic Party in terms of helping the forgotten men and women, except they would stop the progress that the president has made in 18 months, and by that time it'll be two years.
Um, this is an important election.
We know that the Democrats have stated publicly, although now they're being silent, but they want to impeach Trump.
We know that Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren have said the tax cuts are crumbs, and well, that's a thousand, two thousand dollars for working families.
And excuse me, if they're just crumbs, why are they demanding to have them back?
They want to rescind the tax cuts.
Uh they want to keep Obamacare.
That has not exactly worked out well for people and keeping their doctors and their plans and paying less.
And we know they want to eliminate ice and they want open borders.
I don't think that's a good idea either.
Anyway, here to discuss John McLaughlin, polster, founder of McLaughlin and Associates, Doug Schoen, also a pollster, political analyst, Fox News contributor.
Uh welcome uh both of you back to the program.
Thanks, sir.
Uh, let's get a headline from you, John McLaughlin.
Uh I'll tell you, having polled for the president in Ohio during his campaign and set up a strategy where he could win the rust belt by bringing in millions of new voters in a record turnout.
The president saved the VOP establishment's butt yesterday by bringing out Trump voters.
Trump got 206,000 votes in that district.
Balderson got 104,000 votes less than the president.
Now here's a fun fact from the Gateway Pundit article.
87% of the Democrats that voted in 2016 turned out in this race.
Only 40% of the Republicans.
The Republicans were losing until the President went in there.
They better get on his agenda and get things done like immigration, like making the tax cuts permanent.
They better get with the president's agenda, or they're going to get a shock in November.
Because the President can only pull so many of these guys out of the fire, and that's what he does.
No.
And by the way, there's you you really can't do a transplant of charisma.
I mean, I watched this guy on Saturday night.
I was like, oh my gosh, this is not going to be easy.
Uh Doug Schoen, you know that from years past as well.
I do, but uh what you haven't said is that there's been at least an eleven percent swing because of the absent voters to the Democratic Party.
And if we get that in the midterms, we'll have a Democratic pickup of far more than the twenty-three seats they need to put the House in the Democratic home.
So uh there were a harbinger's of ill.
I I wrote a piece for Fox News.com which uh said it was a good night for the Democrats and a good night for Donald Trump.
That's how I see it.
All right, let's now look at, you know, there had been predictions of a massive blue wave.
I think the senatorial map in particular looks good for Republicans.
I I I certainly see a pickup in Florida.
Uh I think Rick Scott is a very popular governor, and I think he'd beat Bill Nelson there.
I think Claire McCaskill is in a heap of trouble in Missouri.
You've got Heidi Heikamp, you got Joe Manchin, and and you got a bunch of others.
I would imagine that the Republicans have an advantage in the Senate.
Uh Doug, what do you think?
I think there is a slight advantage, but uh John McLaughlin is pointing to what the issue really is in the election.
Not so much a Democratic wave in the sense of people rallying to the Democratic Party.
There's enthusiasm among Democrats to come out and vote for change, and the Republicans uh not so much.
And that's really the issue.
I think John put it exactly right.
But what do they want to change to?
Let's be real here.
What are the Democrats?
Give me a specific program that they're advocating that's gonna make our lives better.
Because I don't see it.
They they want policies other than Trump.
They don't want a wall, they don't want uh uh uh the kind of immigration policy the president has pursued.
They want different policies.
It's unfocused, Sean.
I'll be the first to agree.
Is it is it unfocused, or they basically want us to go back to the horrific eight years of Obama.
Even you acknowledge they were horrible.
I I've said it many times on your program.
A large percentage of the Democratic primary voters disagree, I disagree with heartily.
They're socialists.
I'm not, I'm a capitalist.
But you know what?
You can win elections by voting for things and against things, and this is gonna be a negative election.
Of that I am certain.
What do you think uh John McLaughlin?
I would say historically, just a matter of fact that yeah, it's gonna be very difficult as it relates for any Republican.
Well, you've got you know, in this race in Ohio 12, the Democrat rejected Pelosi.
So the Democrat ran to the to the right, if not the center.
And you've got Senator like Donnelly in Indiana today who was talking about supporting the uh uh border wall.
You're gonna see Democrats trying to blur that distinction that Republicans really need to vote on and make the Democrats have a clear contrast.
And by the way, the primaries are still going on.
Like yesterday and yesterday's primaries, Chris Kobach comes out of nowhere to look like he's gonna beat the incumbent governor in Kansas because President Trump supported him.
He had John James up in Massachusetts, who is uh Michigan, pardon me, Michigan running for U.S. Senate.
He won decisively in the primary.
And and the the Trump like candidates, like uh, you know, uh uh I'm running races for candidates who support who are like President Trump, like Bob Stefanowski in Connecticut, he's running for governor, he's got a plan to phase out the income tax.
And he's he's on the he's on the ballot on Tuesday and everybody's attacking us because they Donald Trump has put his imprint on this party, and the Trump candidates are winning the primaries, and with that, hopefully they can carry an agenda that can that will basically create the red wave instead of having a blue wave going on.
Because right now the Democrats are blurring the issues.
Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, and there, but they seem to always go back to the same playbook.
And we know what the playbook is.
Republicans are racist, sexist, uh, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, uh, they want dirty air, water, they want to kill children, and they want to throw granny over the cliff.
It doesn't change very much.
Now we could use you on our side.
Yeah.
You do that very well.
I I've I listen, I've been in this business too long.
It's every single election cycle.
It never changes ever.
And you know, the sad part is is, you know, then America forgets, you know, how how bad it was under people a couple.
I mean, 13 million more Americans on food stamps, eight million more in poverty, accumulated more debt than every other president before him combined, lowest labor participation rate since the 70s, and then you compare it to what Donald Trump has done in a short period.
I mean, I would say if I would say to Republicans that their biggest problem is they've been weak.
Yep.
And and I agree with you a hundred percent true.
Because I'll tell you what, if the Doug Schoen Republican uh Democrats, who go almost Republicans on a lot of issues, if we ask him, No, no, no, he's the let me tell you something.
He's not a Republican.
He's got to be fiscal conservative.
I don't go for all this debt, Sean.
I'm with no, I'm listening I agree with you on that too.
But you know, if we get the GDP growth to where we need it to be, you and I both know that it's going to be great for the American people and the economy.
All right.
I got I gotta take a break.
Well, just stay tuned.
I mean, certainly we have four million new jobs.
We got two or three fewer million on food stamps.
We got manufacturing jobs that Obama said were never coming back coming back.
Uh we've gotten rid of burdensome regulation.
Companies now are incentivized to actually build their factories and manufacturing centers in America, and we see dramatic increases in those jobs uh all across the Rust Belt, and it's looking good for people.
All right, quick break.
800 nine four-one Sean, toll free telephone number, you want to be a part of the program.
As we continue with our polsters, John McLaughlin and Doug Schoen.
All right, so one of the other things is all right.
So it was a Trump sweep in terms of the people that he endorsed, which is good for him.
Washington Post has a headline.
Democratic resistance hit a wall in last night's election.
The Democratic Party's left wing insurgency found its limits.
Um we know that you know Hollywood nut jobs are now blaming Vladimir Putin for last night's loss in Ohio, which is a little nuts.
Every single candidate endorsed by the rising Democratic star uh Casio Cortez, they all went down to defeat.
What does that say?
Doug Schoen.
I I hope it says that the Democrats' flirtation with democratic socialism is over and that we'll have more Danny uh O'Connors and uh Connor Lambs who are centrists who vote against Nancy Pelosi explicitly, clearly and unabashedly to set the party in a new centrist, fiscally conservative.
And the odds of that happening, let's be real here, are zero.
Yeah, I mean, you know, and I know and John knows that the party's going solidly left, which I actually think helps Republicans in the end come this midterm election in 90 days.
John.
Absolutely, because like most of these Democrats winning primaries, they're supporting like Medicare for all single single payer, government run health care.
The Mercatus Center found out that's going to cost us three point two trillion dollars over ten years and would double the personal income taxes, all the personal income taxes and all the corporate taxes uh in the country, and that's why you don't have it.
The Democrats who tell you they want to repeal the Trump tax tax, guess what that means?
You cut the child tax care credit in half from 2,000 to 1,000.
You cut the personal deduction in half from 2,000 to 1,000, and you raise the rates on 90% of the of the uh uh taxpayers, and most of them are middle class, the vast majority.
So we ought to make the Democrats vote on this.
We ought to let uh let those votes percolate so the Doug Schoen Democrats will bail on these crazy ideas that are just nothing more than socialism.
Is it a good idea, John, to demand wall funding up front before the election and maybe shut down the government?
Uh uh I I don't I don't like to see the government shut down, but you know what?
That funding ought to be in the middle of the state.
I must be the only person that doesn't care because we all know the government doesn't shut down.
It's just a big game that Washington plays, and the few people that get paid holidays, you know what, they're happy as can be.
Well, the last time Schumer misplayed it because you know what happened?
The military didn't get paid because they hadn't passed that appropriation bill.
So they're willing to shut down the government for illegal illegal aliens and not pay the military.
That's how crazy these democrats are.
All right, we're gonna let you both go here.
We appreciate it.
Well, uh 90 days we'll be having you guys on regularly, looking at the polls, looking at the numbers, seeing which way this important midterm election is headed.
Uh Doug Schoen, thank you for being with us, and John McLaughlin, 800 941 Sean Tollfree telephone number will come back on the other side.
Uh you're gonna meet an individual that is trying to work.
Iran is in deep trouble.
We now see a uh uh restlessness that is taking place among their very high youth population, and with the president's new sanctions, does that mean a change could be on the horizon?
That's next.
Uh these were terrible deals, but I would say that the Iran deal was one of the worst I've ever seen.
I I will say, uh, speaking of the Iran deal, since we got out of that deal, and we could do it very easily because they never had it approved by Congress.
It was just present.
This must be approved by Congress.
I wanted to be approved by Congress, because otherwise it's really doesn't mean very much.
I wanted I I would think anybody would want it approved by Congress.
But since we took out of that deal, we got out of that deal.
I think Iran is a much different place.
Well, that's another promise made, another promise kept, and what we're learning and what we're seeing is that yeah, the president got us out of that horrific Iranian deal, and we're seeing a restlessness as a very high percentage of young people in Iran that are dying for freedom.
Many of them were abandoned by Barack Obama back in 2009 when we had an opportunity, frankly, that was second to none, and we didn't take advantage of it.
And we've also learned that dropping 150 billion dollars in cash and other currencies on the tarmac in Iran doesn't stop the mullahs from chanting death to America, death to Israel, burning our flag, burning the Israeli flag.
Amir Fakravar is the National Iranian Congress Senate chairman, founder of the Iranian Confederation of Students.
Uh he happens to be in town.
We asked him to pop in for a few minutes and uh give us an update on what's happening there.
How are you, sir?
Thank you, Sean.
Thank you for having me.
And you like what the president's been doing.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
And what about look, you have a lot of contacts within Iran.
They find ways to get on the internet, even though they're kind of banned from using the internet.
Um, and where is the population versus the you know, Khamani and and the leadership and the mullahs uh that keep saber rattling and keep pursuing weapons of mass destruction uh that they can marry to their sick twisted radical ideology?
Um Sean, uh yes, I'm very well connected to the new generation in Iran, to the protesters there in the street.
On my uh just Instagram page, I have ten million viewers, which they are checking every day because they cannot um trust the Iranian state on media to see what is happening right now, specifically after.
Does they make it very hard to get on the internet and get real news?
It's really really hard.
It is um uh but the people there we we are facing the very smart generation in Iran who they maybe you don't believe it.
They love United States.
They love to be friends with United States and with the world again and be part of the world.
We are isolated by the small group of fanatic mullahs who, if you look at the polls right now, we are doing some polls, and more than a hundred thousand people they are participating in those polls.
Ninety-six percent of these people, they're saying they hate Iranian supreme lead in America.
How could they like it?
Um, isn't it true that women are are treated like fifth class citizens?
Uh women are abused, marital rape is not a a crime.
A man can divorce his wife by saying I divorced you what three times?
Uh all is true.
And extra to that, the woman's based on Sharia Law, the Islamic Shiaism, the women's, they are not real human.
They are calling women's animals with the skin of humans, which they can give calm to the man.
That's their uh meaning of the case.
Some Women are told how to dress, they're not allowed to leave the their homes without a man, and I don't know if they can women drive in Iran.
I don't think so.
They they can drive.
It's you know, it's it's a big fight between women's half of the country and the mullahs.
Even the bigger fight than the guys.
Could you practice Christianity or Judaism within Iran?
Uh no.
Then they definitely you will be.
Are gays and lesbians put to death in Iran?
Uh, you know, uh, as Ahmadinejad said, it's look like we don't have gays and lesbians in Iran, but how it's possible.
No, they are if they can find them, definitely they are trying to just wipe them from the map.
All right, let's talk uh a little bit if we can about uh their pursuit of nuclear weapons and also the the ramifications of it in a very strange way.
The fear of Iranian hegemony or nuclear armed Iran has united um allies, and it is a new alliance that has emerged between the US, obviously Israel, but also Egypt and Jordan and the Saudis and the Emirates against Iran.
And Israelis, you know, all of them they came together.
That's that's the historical point in the Middle East and North Africa right now.
Everybody they came together.
Who could believe Saudi Arabia and Imiratis can come along with Israelis to fight with the Iranian regime with Iranian mulas?
That's the historical point.
For us, the Iranian freedom fighters.
We are talking about 96% of the country, and for the Americans and for the rest to use this opportunity to maybe this will not come again soon to wipe this regime forever from the planet.
All right.
Let me ask you specifically, what would you like to see the president do further here?
I mean, he pulled out of the Iranian deal.
We know the the Ayatollah, your supreme leader, uh Khamanei has said negotiation with the United States are useless because they don't abide by agreements.
Well, the Iranians don't abide by agreements.
Uh, what is the next stage of this?
Will the Iranians test Donald Trump?
Because I I think if they do, they're gonna have the biggest wake-up surprise of their life.
Uh, and I could see the United States, Israel, and these other countries that I've mentioned coordinating and taking out their nuclear sites, although it would be difficult militarily because they're spread all throughout the country, and many of them are underground.
Uh, but we have the capability of doing all of that.
Where do you see this going?
Um, first of all, uh eight months ago when I was here, January, when uh I had the honor to uh be in your show.
Um that was the time the new phase of revolution in Iran was started, which we are calling the constitutional revolution in Iran.
And President Trump heard the voice of Iranian people in the street, and then President came out of Iran deal after that, and he changed Rex Tillerson and brought the good man, Mike Pompeo, as the Secretary of State and another good man, John Bolton, on board.
And the the with the new strategy, right now regime is bankrupt.
Last time when we were talking eight months ago, up to now, Iranian currency lost a lot of value.
Maybe it's right now one-third of the value it had eight months, eight months ago.
And right now, uh they are at the point of collapse.
Millions of people they are in the street, they are chanting debt to dictator, death to Islamic Republic, death to regime, and outside, we can see how allies of United States they are ready to take care of this regime forever.
President Trump is doing a great job.
They I guess it's it's uh it's not a good idea to think about talking with the regime.
I'm I'm giving suggestion to the State Department first to clean up Obama holdovers from Iran Desk, which was designed by Obama at the State Department.
Iran Desk should be shut down from the State Department, and then they can start talking with the opposition leaders.
This is a strong message to Iranian regime that your time is gone, and then this is the new generation.
They want to have control of their country.
And even Sean, we drafted our new constitution for future Iran, which I want to give you on the show as a record a gift.
This is what you want to be the new Constitution, Declaration of Freedom, proposed draft of the constitution of uh Iran.
I was actually surprised the last time, Amir, you were here that you actually told me that people in Iran actually know who I am, that there is an underground viewership, that they pay very close attention to American media.
Um, if I walk through the streets of Iran, would anybody recognize me?
Oh, they love you, and for sure, when Iran is free, for sure you will be surprised how much the people in Iran they know you.
This program in 10 minutes will be translated in farsi and will be all over Iranian media, specifically on cyber world.
Well, I have a message for all of them, and this is a problem though, for anybody that wants to win a revolution.
You don't win a revolution with a slingshot.
And the bottom line is the you you have the Iranian guard uh that will violently and viciously in their evil way, they will beat down any opposition and beat them into submission and kill as many people as they have to kill.
Is that not right?
Uh I agree with you, and let me give you the news.
Right now, the revolutionaries in Iran, I'm talking about the new generation, not the old revolutionaries, the terrible ones.
The new generation, right now they do have gun and they know how to use it, and we are at the point which maybe soon you will hear the fight will happen over there, and uh it's it's um it's something is coming soon.
What do you mean?
How soon?
It's it's it's very soon.
It's maybe a couple of couple of months.
You will hear a lot more about Iranian new revolution.
And you're saying that you believe that there is an opportunity where they will be able to fight back.
Oh, they they are doing that, right?
Now they're fighting back.
The people in the street, they're fighting back, but not with the gun.
But pretty soon, in a couple of months, you will see they are going to fight back with the guns.
All right, Amir, good to see you again.
Thank you for being with us.
We appreciate it.
Thank you for that copy of the proposed Iranian constitution.
You know what?
Stranger things can happen, and it has happened before.
And then, of course, the Shah of Iran was uh overthrown, and the return of the Ayatollah Khomeini uh resulted in this tyranny, and now on the brink of potentially getting nuclear weapons.
Mr. Fakravart, thank you for being with us.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right, let's get to our busy phones in the meantime.
Uh Kirk is in Salt Lake City in Utah, Rodar Kettland.
What's happening in my favorite Crown Burger territory?
How are you?
What's going on, Kirk?
Sean, I am doing really good, and thank you for taking my call.
Yes, I wanted to take this opportunity to let you know I am 100% on your side.
I think your work wife Linda, she is way too mean to you.
Totally too mean to you.
I'm on your side no matter what.
What do you mean by work wife?
I don't have a work wife.
I am the boss.
No, no, no.
This is a simple equation.
I am the boss and I have people that work for me, but she definitely does interject herself more often than she should.
No, I interject myself as often as is needed, which is a lot.
So now do you see what I mean by work wife?
And no, it's not a big thing.
That's right.
She's she's the executive producer of the show.
What do you want me to do?
I mean, that's right.
I'm the neck that turns the head.
You're welcome.
Well, when did you ever get permission to just turn your mic on?
I didn't invite you to turn your mic on.
I was needed.
I was needed you weren't needed.
Well, you were having a conversation about me, which means I'm needed.
Now, how thick is that accent, Kirk?
I mean, don't you think that absolutely permission should be granted?
No, I'm only kidding, of course.
Listen, we love Linda.
Linda works very, very hard on the show, just like everybody else on our team.
It's a collaborative effort.
And uh You know what happens in collaborations.
It takes two people for relationships.
And you know, Kirk, one of the most beautiful things of relationships is communication.
And you would be surprised.
Surprised how hard communication can be from from someone who works in communications for a living.
It's just shocking.
Yeah, they don't like the way that I text.
I text three words and they're first of all, you text like a teenager, so don't even start.
Because I don't have time to spell it out.
Uh you guys can figure it out and just no, that means you text all the time.
You know what you could do?
What?
You could go to uh group therapy.
I'll tell you what, you go to I'm never going to therapy in my life.
I think it'd be a good idea.
I think if we went to a therapy session, that the therapist would be like you all need to leave.
I can't help you.
The therapist would need therapy.
Yeah, the therapist would probably.
We're talking redneck group therapy now, where the tighter the group, the better gun control you have.
Fantastic.
Oh, great.
I think this sounds great.
You're taking us to a great level here, you know, really.
Well, the thing is, I I honestly I think therapy is great for people.
Remember my biggest surprise when I interviewed Stern, Howard Stern.
And I'm I said to him, you have more money than you know anyone could ever spend in a thousand lifetimes.
Uh, you know, and he says he goes to therapy once a week.
I'm like, I'm not going to talk to any therapist once a week.
Oh, I didn't get fed Twinkies when I'm what is therapy?
You know, you read self-help books, you try and improve, you know, you work hard, and and I who has time for therapy?
I don't get it.
To me, it's a luxury.
Now I know some people need it, and thank God they get it.
And there are professionals that can help people that are really sick, and there are medicines that can also help people that I believe in.
But if I don't have to, I am not spending my time on somebody's couch pondering, you know, why I have feelings from back in the day.
I'm just not gonna do it.
Why are you laughing?
Because this was such a fun call with Kirk, and you got all serious and weird on it and took the therapy thing for real.
He talked about redneck therapy.
You know what redneck therapy is?
Drinking, drinking and getting drunk and talking in a circle.
It's good therapy.
I like that therapy.
Are we gonna like put like a bonfire of the vanities in the clock?
Kirk, am I right, Kirk?
No, it's going to the shooting range.
Going to the shooting range.
You see, you don't even know what it is.
This is another direction inside.
Our redneck therapy would be pork grinds and moonshine.
That's correct.
Yeah, because we get people that send us moonshine ever since I've been talking about watching that moonshine.
And then you can use a MyPillow and go to sleep like a baby.
Oh, yeah.
Well, okay.
Well, I do use my pillow.
It's a best, by the way, my pillow now has something you put over your mattress.
It is so, so amazingly mattress topper.
All right, thanks, Kirk.
We appreciate it.
We have an amazing Hannity tonight.
You're gonna love tonight's show.
Uh, Rudy Giuliani, by the way, among our our many guests.
We got a lot of ground to cover.
We've got breaking news stories.
Um, and it's gonna be pretty amazing tonight.
We we have, let's see, Dershowitz, Rudy, Andy McCarthy, Jason Chaffetz, Greg Jarrett, Secretary Nielsen.
What a story she has to share.
You know, if a drone by a drug cartel is flown into America so they can scout out whether there are any agents in a particular area.
We can't take that drone out of the air.
And they're able to arm those those small drones.
You have to get this, you have to get a warrant to take a drone sent in from Mexico to take it out.
Anyway, 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
We've got a lot of breaking news tonight about Bruce Orr and Christopher Steele, and were they contacting Robert Muller?
We reveal the new emails and evidence tonight.
We'll break it at 9 Eastern Hannity on the Fox News Channel.
You don't want to miss it.
Uh, also, we have so much coming up tonight.
Secretary Nielsen, Greg Jarrett, Jason Chaffetz, Alan Dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani, and much more.
