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I do get clarity when I am on vacation.
You know, my mind begins to slow down.
I begin to think things through.
I begin, I don't know, you begin to see more clearly, because it look, every one of us experiences this.
This is not a phenomenon because I am a talk show host, but you know what it's like.
You get, you know, you're in the daily bang it out, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind every day.
And sometimes you just need to just stand back, hear the birds sing and the wind blow and and watch the trees and just take it all in a little bit.
And I just get more clarity when that happens.
And uh anyway, I got a lot of clarity on where we are as a country, while in fact I was uh off these few days.
Um we have an amazing amount of news to get to.
The biggest tragedy that I saw since I was gone is you have a such a corrupt news media in this country, they cannot even acknowledge a simple basic fundamental truth about spies being in the Trump campaign.
There were spies.
No, they're informants.
Okay.
They're spies.
And they were there for one reason to spy on the Trump campaign.
You know, I look Rudy Giuliani, who's going to be on TV tonight, just blasting now the Muller probe for what it is.
Illegitimate.
And you've got he's now right at the top, one of the top now lawyers for the president.
You know, since Mueller's Muller's Russia Gate investigation was based on illegal leaks by a disgraced and probably likely lawbreaker, former ex FBI director James Comey, as well as you know, politically motivated surveillance carried out by Trump hating Obama officials.
You know, it has now lost any sense, if you have any fairness in you, of legitimacy.
And the former mayor, the president's attorney is right.
You got James Comey leaking a confidential memo, which is illegal for an FBI official to do.
And then on the basis of that, for the purpose of which he designed it to be, you know, ends up in his best friend becoming the special counsel.
And Giuliani responding to the issue of whether or not the probe was legitimate.
It's not any more legitimate.
Citing reports of the FBI informant within the Trump campaign, apparently now not just one, but a number of them.
And I'm more convinced, and as I gain clarity that the whole thing, you know, it it this is one big colossal deep state mess.
And to watch your media as corrupt as they are, just try and whitewash this away and oh, this is it's not an it's not a spy, it's an informant.
You know, now we we're facing a constitutional crisis where the mayor of New York, former mayor of New York Giuliani, the president's lawyer, now is answering questions about well, what if Muller tries to subpoena Trump?
This is negating also the team that Mueller put together, led by his pit bull, Andrew Weissman.
There's no there should be never be any cooperation with any special counsel that would appoint somebody with the God awful horrendous ethical background of Andrew Weisman and his aggressive prosecutorial tactics.
That's that there's the guy that led to the Manafort, you know, dawn raid, guns blazing, handcuffs behind Manafort's wife.
Uh they didn't do that to Weinstein.
I saw he got a chance to surrender on his own.
Those arrangements are made all of the time.
It's not unusual.
Anyway, then I think Rudy's right in saying that if Mueller tries to subpoena the president, force him to testify here that his legal team is going to fight it all the way to the Supreme Court.
That's what they should do.
And as Levin has been saying, the Constitution is on their side.
And the president, frankly, I don't care that any way you spin this, if he sits down for an interview with Robert Mueller and his merry band of pit bulls like Andrew Weisman with or without a subpoena, you know, you gotta understand this is all one big massive perjury trap for the president.
Look what they did to poor General Flynn.
Come he didn't think he was lying, and even Strzok didn't think he was lying.
But they still charged him with lying to the FBI.
Unbelievable.
You know, what we have to do now is prepare for an all-out legal battle.
And this is now, and and protections from another branch of government.
And that is if we have to do that, they've got to do it.
That's what they got to do.
I would expect the high court would reject any attempt by Mueller to subpoena the president.
I think we win that case, Giuliani said.
I agree with Giuliani.
And he said the Trump camp wants access to material on the FBI's Russian spy that was presented in congressional briefings last week to help prepare the president for a possible interview with Mueller.
If they don't show us those documents, we're just gonna have to say no to any possible interview.
Why can't they just send over questions, written questions, and they get written answers, and that's the end of it because they want the tape, they want to embarrass the president.
Well, what did the president do here that's wrong?
Where is the evidence of Trump Russia collusion, which is another promise problem in all of this, is that the mandate is limitless.
It is now become a total fishing expedition.
You know, if you got the Trump campaign aids, and by the way, Carter Page is on the program today.
He's got some powerful remarks about all of this, how the FBI ruined my life.
He's gonna tell that story right here on this program.
Also, Sarah Carter and Kerry Pickett coming up today.
Um, I thought there was a great piece by Byron York at the Washington Examiner.
And I think if it's a news flash for all the fake news brigade out there, which have spent the entire weekend claiming, oh, no evidence to back up White House claims that they were spied on by the Obama administration.
Well, remember when Trump tweeted out that in fact they were wiretapped, that he got the words wrong, but we didn't know as much then as we know now.
There was a Pfizer warrant that was issued.
Now we know it was on the basis of Hillary's bought and paid for dossier with money funneled through a law firm to fusion GPS that hired Christopher Steele that used Russian and Russian government lies and sources and in interrogatories in Great Britain himself has said, oh, that's raw, that's raw intel, 50-50 chances it's true.
Well, that became the basis to obtain a warrant, a Pfizer warrant to spy on a Trump campaign associate.
You can't make this up.
And York obtained extensive comments from two out of the three Trump aides that um were targeted at by the FBI's spy, as well as a brief comment from FBI spy target number three, Sam Clovis, former national co-chair of the Trump campaign, is one of the three Trump figures known to have been contacted by the FBI informant during the 2016 presidential campaign.
Clovis received an email out of the blue from from the informant, whom he did not know on August 29, 2016, after the informant had been in touch with Carter Page and just before he contacted Papadopoulos.
By the way, I've I knew none of these people.
And I was up to my eyeballs in all things election at this particular point in time.
And I knew everybody.
I knew Manafort, I knew Cory Lewandowski, I knew Steve Bannon, Kellyanne.
I knew them all.
I knew the kids, I knew the family, but I have never heard of a lot of these people.
And I was interviewing everybody at the time.
Anyway, during all this testifying, Clovis knew about the informant's connection to the FBI.
Clovis told Byron York that in all 19 hours of questioning, no one, not on Mueller's investigative team.
No investigators of the House and Senate ever mentioned the this informant.
Why not?
And only recently, because a news report reports did Clovis learn about the informant's true role.
And by the way, what were they trying to, the informant trying to set him up?
And that he is, you know, that prompted him now to replay his brief and seemingly inconsequential encounter with the informant in light of the wealth of new information.
And by the way, it began with a 20, and he has the email.
I'm a professor of Cambridge University, lecturing on U.S. politics for home policy.
I am what is called a scholar practitioner.
Having served in the White House and four presidential campaigns, two as policy director.
Over the past month, I've been in conversations with Carter Page, who attended our conference in Cambridge on U.S. elections.
Carter mentioned in Cambridge when he was visiting here in Virginia that you and I should meet.
I've enjoyed your comments and your appearances in the media.
You hit the sweet spot, focusing Trump's appeal to working America.
May I suggest that we set a time to meet when you are next in Washington.
Meanwhile, all my best.
Well, that's the informant trying to get to Clovis.
They worked out logistics.
They met at a hotel, the Double Tree in Virginia a couple of days later.
Premised on his approach to Paige.
That seemed uh, you know, a piece of this approach the very next day he used with Papadopoulos.
The actual content of their meeting has left Clovis wondering, oh, I was being set up.
Why was he being set up by an informant in the campaign?
Now that doesn't sound that sounds like a spy doing spy work.
You know, so the offer was apparently consistent with what the informant did earlier with Page.
And it was it's always hard to discern the exact meaning of Page's statement, but Page has tweeted a line from an email that he says he sent to the campaign on July 16th regarding the informant, and he referred to him as the professor, offered a range of possibilities regarding how he and the university might be able to help.
Well, he said he worked on all these other campaigns.
Policy director, why wouldn't you think he can help?
And his behavior with Papadopoulos was a little bit different.
Chuck Ross of the Daily Caller reporting that sources familiar with Papadopoulos' version of their meeting said the informant randomly asked Papadopoulos whether he knew about DNC committee emails that had been hacked and leaked by the Russians.
Well, we don't know where anybody got any of these emails because we know according to Comey's original draft, six foreign entities got into Hillary's email server.
Who knows who has what from where?
Ross continued, Papadopoulos strongly denied the allegation.
Sources familiar with the version of the exchange, and that the informant grew agitated, pressing Papadopoulos.
Why would he be pressing if he's just a mere informant?
He's not an informant, he's a spy seeking information.
And the media and the Democrats are denying what is as clear as the nose on your face.
It's unbelievable.
By the way, the the lobbyist, the Russian lobbyist at the Trump Tower meeting, apparently had a connection to Hillary according to Breitbart.
According to recently released uh testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, you know, this key participant in the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. said he knows Hillary Clinton had direct connection with her that dates back to the late 1990s.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Oops, you daisy.
My little pumpkin.
Oops.
She knew a bunch of Russians.
Anyway, besides admitting to personally knowing Clinton, the lobbyists also testified he knew people who worked in Clinton's 2016 campaign.
Do you know Secretary Clinton?
Yes.
How do you know her?
Personal.
How long have you known her?
Well, I met her in the late 1990s.
Oh, excuse me.
Glad she's so connected to the Russians.
Andy McCarthy has a couple of really great pieces out today that I want to get to.
Roseanne Barr's show has been canceled based on some tweets that she put out over the weekend.
We'll get to that in the course of the program today.
Also, Carter Page will join us about how the FBI ruined his life.
All right, as we roll along.
You know, there was a great exchange over the weekend, and it was Mark Meadows.
He was on CBS, The Face the Nation.
You know one thing nobody really gets, and I'm I'm kind of getting a little sick of this.
Everybody thinks these Sunday shows get big ratings.
They don't.
I don't know why anybody wastes their time going on these shows at this point.
When, you know, we get three times the ratings every night on cable.
You know, it's funny because when I was fighting Kimmel, Howard Stern, who's a big friend, I guess best friends with Kimmel.
Somebody sent me the clip, had said, What why is Jimmy Kimmel fighting Hannity, a cable guy?
Why is he doing that?
And it kind of surprised me because you know, Howard's smart.
Howard is a brilliant broadcaster.
But I don't think he's picked up how broadcast is pretty much dead.
And if you take all of the three late night shows, which used to have massive audiences, if you take it back to Carson and you take it back even to Leno and Letterman, compared to today, they got nothing.
And my my cable show, and he actually said, I bet he wishes he could be on a network.
I'm like, no.
Because I get, you know, like a million and a half more viewers a night than on Jimmy Kimmel's best night.
So I'm it's funny that he didn't know to me that, you know, the tide has shifted here and changed dramatically.
People are very hip to their viewing habits.
That's why, look, everybody knows they have choices.
You know, look at Netflix.
I guess the Obamas made a big deal with Netflix, right?
Yeah.
And but I love Netflix.
I'm not going to watch shows I don't like.
You get to pick and choose the time you want to watch a show.
I love Showtime on Demand.
Did you see the Fourth Estate last night?
Oh, it's horrible.
Apps, I couldn't even get through it.
I didn't even watch to the end.
It's that new show where they followed the New York Times for and all these reporters reporting on Trump.
They don't even know how they expose their bias.
I've got a little project that I'm working on regarding what they do and what they say in this show.
It's going to be very interesting.
Um, and they think they they literally don't even see their bias.
But the point is that Americans now have more options than ever before.
That's why we've got to work so hard to put on a good show every single day.
And we do it by providing news information in as entertaining a fashion as we can, that you're not going to get anywhere else.
And we're very different than the rest of the mainstream media.
And that's what they hate about us.
But it's also thanks to all of you what has made us successful.
All right, we'll come back.
I'm going to explain what I meant about Mark Meadows, a couple of great columns by Andy McCarthy that I need to walk you through.
Uh, we'll get to the Roseanne issue a much more straight ahead.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Roseanne uh Barr's show has been canceled.
I'll tell you about those tweets in just a second, and she has since apologized for them.
Um what they're saying is uh ABC that they fired her for her abhorrent comments about Valerie Jarrett.
She said she was sorry, and um, anyway, we're gonna see how this goes uh, how this unfolds.
Uh, over the weekend, remember the eight years that there was a picture?
And I had openly asked the question at the time because we know that Barack Obama came from Chicago, and remember his background Frank Marshall Davis, uh, as an Olinskiite, as a disciple as an acorn organizer.
Um, He sort of emerged himself in, you know, some of the more radical with some of the more radical elements in the Chicago area.
Remember, he started his political career in the home of unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn.
You know, spent 20 plus years in the church of Reverend GD America Wright.
America's chickens coming home to roost.
White America, US of KKKA.
But he didn't know.
Chickens!
And home.
No, no, no.
Not God bless America.
God America.
God America.
So he hung in, he hung out with some of the more radical elements in Chicago.
Ayers, Dorn, and Alinsky and Reverend Wright.
Well, also only lived a few blocks away from him was Reverend Lewis Minister Farrakhan.
And then I was I had there was a picture of Michelle Obama with Farrakhan's wife.
And I wondered had they ever been together.
And I did so openly at the time, 2007 and 2008, and we found out just a couple of months ago that indeed there was even a picture of Farrakhan and Obama together.
But that picture was purposely buried so that the American people wouldn't know the truth that they knew each other.
And of course, the media that only asked one question.
Only one about Ayers and Dorne, unrepentant domestic terrorists with the weather underground.
They never asked this question that I recall.
And anyway, um Lewis Farrakhan, apparently Sunday morning, called for an end to white men in America.
Why should there be an end to the white man?
Because his nature is not in harmony with the nature of God.
Farrakhan's message included a list of traits that he believed were in the white man's nature, namely murder and dishonesty.
And he added that while white people were slaves to their natures.
He said what black people do is by learning from your master.
Then he went on to claim that white men had squandered the time God gave them to rule, alleging that they had chosen not to rule with righteousness, truth, justice, and fairness.
Now we have the Roseanne Barr issue.
And it exploded.
I didn't even see I don't have Twitter on my phone anymore.
So I don't follow Twitter like I used to after we were officially compromised by what was the what was the term they said?
Our count had been compromised.
Compromised.
Yeah.
So I gave it up.
And people putting, I guess, stuff up in my name that had never happened, and tweeting out stuff in my name.
And then that was the end of it for me.
Now, anything that goes up for the most part, you can blame Linda or Kristen over at TV, because it's not me.
Or it's coming from the website, straight from the website.
But you're vetting the headlines now, right?
After that little incident.
Yes, boy.
Something like that.
After the little incident.
You guys tweet out under my name.
Okay enough, boy.
Move on.
Well, I'm the one that gets beaten up when a mistake is made.
It's not you, you know, but I'm not blaming anybody.
I'm just pointing out.
Oh, of course not.
Um, anyway, so I guess uh let's see.
She made some comments.
I don't have the exact tweets in front of me about Valerie Jarrett, etc.
etc.
Then Roseanne says, I apologize to Valerie Jarrett and to all Americans.
I'm truly sorry for making a bad joke about her politics and her looks.
I should have known better.
Forgive me, my joke was in bad taste.
And um, and now the show has been canceled after these tweets.
Anyway, she posted a comment about Valerie Jarrett, senior advisor in the Obama campaign about her looks.
And it is an outrageous comment.
She was right to apologize.
Um, you know, just I guess I think with social media, a lot of people just send things out, especially comedians are always in danger because they just think they're being funny and they're not.
And um, anyway, we'll follow that story tonight on Hannity.
You know, uh, let's, oh, state revenue tax revenues are soaring around the country.
Pew research.
In the fourth quarter of 2017, state tax revenue collected it swelled to a new high of 9.1% above their 2008 peaks.
That's pretty amazing.
Oh, one more last thing.
Uh, what AB C said, Robert Eyes or Robert Igers confirmed that the show's canceled, said the statements were abhorrent, repugnant, inconsistent with our values.
And uh I don't, I don't, she said something about Chelsea Clinton, too, right?
Yeah.
That she was married to a relative of George Soros.
She said that she was married to the nephew of George Soros, and Chelsea Clinton wrote back and said, No, as nice as I think their family is and the efforts they do with the open society efforts are I am not married to the nephew of George Soros.
And then Roseanne responded by saying that she had married the nephew of a disgraced senator, which is actually not true.
Uh the son of a disgraced senator, which is also not true because he was a congressman.
Well, uh Twitter has not been kind to Roseanne this weekend.
Well, she shouldn't have said it.
Agreed, but it's just she needs to get off.
You mean, yeah.
You know, I mean, you go back.
I I did notice that Al Sharpton, you know, we have tape of him.
I won't play it now, of him calling the former African American mayor of New York City the N-word multiple times, referring to uh ancient philosophers as Greek and then a slur for gay people.
Um, and a bunch of other things that he said.
He even mentioned Donald Trump and the pyramids.
I don't even remember what he was talking about.
Um doesn't Al Sharpton still have a show on the weekends?
I don't know if he does.
I don't watch the conspiracy now.
MSNBC had him on to react to Riot Roseanne's show being canceled.
Mm-hmm.
Interesting.
There is no there's definitely a double standard.
But we we've got the tapes of Sharpton.
We've got tapes of Farrakhan over the years.
I don't think he's ever gone as far.
Although his his magazine, you know, did once talk about the the God teaches me that the white man is the skunk of the planet Earth.
And his anti-Semitic comments have been very well chronicled.
We got, you know, Sharpton on tape saying some of the things that he said over the years.
You ain't nothing to a punk food.
Now come on do something.
Yes!
You know what?
I forgot there's a Los Angeles affiliate that hates when we play that.
I gotta be careful.
Even though we played it for years.
Um, I thought when I was away, one of the more interesting developments was Harvey Weinstein, uh Weinstein being indicted.
I mean, what this guy did to these women, and what these women said that he did, and then for literally that attorney of his to go, he didn't invent the casting couch.
I'm like, are you stupid?
Are you are you just must be the dumbest human being on the on the that's not the casting couch.
That's called rape.
Good grace.
Some people are so absolutely insane.
The NFL says players must either stay in the locker room or stand for the anthem, but the head of the Jets is saying this, I guess, is Woody Johnson's kid, is saying that he's gonna pay the fines if anybody wants to protest.
I've been teetering back and forth between the Jets and the Giants, and I just think that in honor of those men and women that fought bled and died fighting under that flag, that I think that's a reasonable request.
And this is the same league that doesn't allow you to spike the football or to do a weird dance in the end zone if you want to do a weird dance in the end zone.
You know what?
I'm sticking with college football.
I've had that with a whole bunch of them.
It looks like the on and off again North Korea summit is back on, although not officially, but we have a top North Korean official on his way to the U.S. to pave the way for this Trump Kim Jong-un summit in Singapore.
And King Kim has reaffirmed to the South Korean president that in fact denuclearization is what this is about.
I mean, amazing.
And everybody was making fun of Donald Trump's letter.
Donald Trump, he already got the hostages, he already got the missiles to be stopped firing.
He already got Kim Jong-un to cross the DMZ, Hostages freed.
We already won.
And he didn't drop off one penny in a plane load, cargo plane full of cash.
We lost nothing.
Oh, this is like a love letter.
I'm like, spurn lovers here.
I'm like, this people are so dumb in the media.
Um, this is a great uh observation by Andrew McCarthy.
We'll get into this with Sarah Carter in the next hour.
We also have Carter Page coming up, that Obama administration officials and the DOJ and the FBI saw the cases as inseparable, meaning the investigation into Hillary and the phony Trump Russia investigation.
It's the same players.
And he reminds us he went back to the page struck text and page texting struck about the most stunning development was Donald Trump, you know, with Ted Cruz finally getting out of the race would square off against Hillary Clinton.
And the race was set.
And Strck wrote that what may be the only words Andy McCarthy writes, we need to know words that reflected the mindset of his agency's leadership and the Obama administration, quote, now the pressure really starts to finish MYE, mid-year exam.
That was the code word the FBI had given to the Hillary Clinton email probe, just like they gave to the Trump investigation, Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
Page responds that Short does.
Now, she wasn't just any lawyer.
As Andy points out, she was the Bureau's number two official, the lawyer for Andrew McCabe.
And you got these thousands of text messages.
We know how they feel about Donald Trump, but it does matter.
You can't say, well, the people are allowed to have their own political opinions.
That's not the point.
You can't be investigating people that you hate and another that you love and impacting the candidates for a presidential election, which is what they did.
The mid-year exam was exactly that.
And they're saying to each other, well, we got to wrap this up.
In other words, we've got to get the fix in.
And what McCarthy's observation is is these two investigations can't be compartmentalized, and that the FBI saw them as inseparably linked.
Trump's victory in the primaries, the opening of his path to the Oval Office, and that meant the Hillary investigation had to be brought to a close, which in fact it ended up being brought to a close.
They were drafting this exoneration in early May.
And at the end of the process, that was opening up her path, then they start going after Trump.
And then Trump won the nomination.
And, you know, it is all related.
And I keep saying it always goes back to the Clinton email investigation.
You know, and when they start talking about, you know, oh, we need an insurance policy.
Well, what was the insurance policy?
Well, just in case you die when you're 40.
And I don't know, they opened this whole thing up in late spring, not as they said in late July.
In other words, by bringing up the issue of Carter Page, who's going to join us shortly, and his connections to Russia.
Now, the obvious answer would have been somebody in the FBI saying to then candidate Trump, hey, we think there's somebody in your campaign that might have ties to Russia.
Remember, the most exculpatory thing Donald Trump that appeared in James Comey's own notes said that he said, well, if it's anybody around me, you've got to, you gotta do something about it.
It's not me.
I've never, I never talked to anybody in Russia.
Anyway, so while it was not formally finished, remember, Comey went out there.
Remember, July 1st, the FBI does its first show interview with Hillary Clinton.
Now remember, they also allowed her legal counsel in there.
You never allow that.
That's not general practice to allow her lawyers to stay in there while she's being interviewed and 17 other people.
And Comey holds a press conference, you know, after the show interview that Peter Strzok conducted with with Hillary Clinton.
Now then he rewrites, as Andy says, classified information statutes.
Clinton clearly violated the law.
They barely mentioned the tens of thousands of government business emails she destroyed, including top secret and special access program information, classified information.
Claims without any elaboration That the FBI can see no evidence of obstruction, really?
How many people acid wash their hard drives?
And you know, who allows, you know, Clinton was permitted to have co-conspirators, as Andy McCarthy says, represent her as lawyers in an interview.
That's a violation of federal law in itself.
Against professional ethics.
You rudimentary investigative practices.
Precisely because no one regards the interview as serious law enforcement.
And he's right, because the fix was in.
Then on the same day, you got the FBI and all these people traveling to London to interview Christopher Steele.
Everyone forgets in the interrogatories and in a in a cripplement of case in in Great Britain, Christopher Steele says about his own dossier.
Oh, that's just raw intel.
50-50, it may be true.
And that became the basis of the Pfizer warrant.
These are unbelievable times.
I can't, you can't even make this all up.
We don't get this straight, we lose our country.
The biggest abuse of power scandal in the history of this country.
All right, glad you're with us hour two, Sean Hannity Show.
Right down on toll-free telephone number.
It's 800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
We have two investigative reporters coming up today.
Sarah Carter at the bottom of this half hour.
Kerry Pickett is coming up.
The president recently said about the Muller probe that it has destroyed people's lives.
There is the a person that's really in many ways at the center of all this, speaking out, Carter Page, uh telling his story, how the FBI ruined his life, and he's in studio with us.
How are you?
So you weren't great, Sean.
So you weren't an FBI spy?
You weren't you never did you you did go to Russia when?
I've been going back and forth to Russia since uh 1991 was my first.
Um business, yeah, pretty much.
And my my first trip was while I was at the Naval Academy.
We had the first exchange.
How many years did you fall you graduated from the Naval Academy?
Um which everybody has to do.
Exactly.
And uh and that's why you get the free tuition, but it's it's hard.
It's and you get you get the best training in the world.
It's great, yeah.
Did um at any point was there ever any discussion with anybody while you were in the Trump campaign of getting the information that maybe Russia had from Hillary Clinton's hacked server that was in a mom and pop shop bathroom closet?
Not one word at any point ever, right?
I mean, you know, we heard about it in the news afterwards, you know, but that was about it.
Yep.
We're now learning that your name was brought up by Jim Comey in the spring of 2016.
This is before your trip to Russia, correct?
Yes.
Yeah.
Did anyone in the in the Trump campaign know you were going to Russia?
You know, I mentioned it uh, and there was just in passing, you know, to a few people, and you know, they're saying, well, just make it clear that you know it has nothing to do with it.
They told you that.
They said you should make it clear.
Well, no, no, I mean, you were making it clear to them.
I was making it clear.
Yeah, we were both.
Why were you going to Russia at that particular point in time?
I've spoken at universities throughout my life, and I was living my life.
I think you're speaking about.
I was uh invited to give us uh graduation speech.
Okay, and I assume you get paid for that speech.
Zero.
I was paid zero then.
Yes.
Well, that's thank goodness, right?
Because otherwise I'm not sure.
No, that's probably that's probably true in the end.
Um at any point you'd never discuss with anybody the Russians giving you information, which by the way, if I would I would argue that if there's a hundred percent of congressmen and senators, if they were told, uh, meet with me, I have opposition research that you're gonna want to know on your up on your political opponent.
I think it's a hundred percent of people take the meeting.
What do you got?
No one ever did anything like that.
You know, we we were t I was basically hanging out with foreign policy scholars.
Right.
Um uh saw a couple of business people I knew previously.
But who did you know in the Trump campaign?
Who did you report to?
Because you're always referred to as a Trump campaign associate.
You know, I was really uh just a low-level guy, part of a uh a committee.
Did we ever meet during that time?
Because I don't remember.
No, no, no, no, never.
No, I'm doing like I never heard of who George Papadopoulos is.
I never heard of the guy.
Of course.
But I was listening I like everybody else, I'm a talk host and I was, you know, working sources in every campaign.
Yes.
And trying to find what are you doing?
What do you how do you respond?
What do you say to this?
Um and were you close to anybody at the top?
No.
Nobody.
No.
I I never met President uh then candidate Trump.
Um.
No, never.
So the question now is is how did you get in the middle of all this?
My first question to the FBI and James Comey would be, okay, if they thought you were trouble going to Russia, why didn't they tell the Trump campaign, hey, there's a guy associated with your campaign that's going to Russia, we're a little concerned about it.
Wouldn't that have been the more appropriate way to handle it?
Or or go directly to you and say why are you going to Russia?
Well, I mean, look, the reality is there was I never did anything wrong, so there's absolutely no reason to pull something like that.
You did do work for the CIA and the FBI at some point.
Work is too strong of a w uh a word.
You know, similar to s some of these allegations that are out there right now.
I was a um, you know, I was asked questions and I was essentially an informant at some at some point.
For for these organizations, for the CIA and a try.
And I mentioned trusted and trusted and they liked you, trusted you.
I didn't hadn't been a little bit of a helping.
Let me ask you this.
You were helping your country that you love.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Um never paid one cent, by the way.
And you did it because they asked you and they asked questions and I'm because you were going to Russia.
Russia is not exactly our closest friend.
You know, they're I look, they're a hostile enemy in many ways.
I talked with them about many countries, frankly.
And you traveled abroad a lot.
I've I've been around the world many times.
Yeah.
All right.
So all of this Pfizer abuse we talk about is about you.
When we talk about the Trump campaign associate, and they got a Pfizer warrant on the Trump campaign, which also people forget this, gave when they got that warrant, they gave them access right through the entire Trump campaign network.
Because they got to go to every email and every direction they wanted.
So it's pretty open ended for them.
Yes.
So they got this just before the election, and we now know that the Pfizer application was based on a dossier that Hillary and the DNC money that she controlled that Hillary's campaign paid for, that they funneled through a law firm that hired Fusion GPS that hired a foreign national.
I thought foreign nationals weren't supposed to impact the l elections.
Only Obama could impact the elections in Israel.
And anyway, and they they use foreign sources that were never verified or corroborated.
And as a matter of fact, stealing an interrogatory in Great Britain said, Oh no, no, that's raw intel 5050, any of it's true.
And yet that was presented to a Pfizer court to get a warrant to spy on you.
Yes.
An American citizen.
It's and they never told the judge in the original application, subsequent applications, three of them, that Hillary paid for it.
Well, it's really been incredible investigations that have gone on, both in the Senate Judiciary and the House Intelligence Committee.
And the fact that they were able to get to this terrible intelligence failure very early on and so quickly, you know, this is basically it wasn't, it was several years until we learned about the intelligence failures in Iraq, right?
And I mean people are kind of waking up to this still right now.
I mean, people have been talking about it over recent years.
But Pfizer to to s the Pfizer court has stringent it's a stringent law.
You're an American citizen.
We have a constitution.
You have Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.
The judges, let's start with the original application, were lied to by Hillary Clinton bought and paid for propaganda from Russia, ironically.
Put together by a foreign national.
Absolutely.
Your rights were violated.
Well, not only that, I I think what's sad about it right now is that people are still dragging their feet in uh DOJ and other parts of government, you know, deep state.
More than dragging their feet though.
I mean, and then they did it three other times.
Yes.
This and the bulk of information according to the Grassley Graham memo was the phony dossier.
Yes.
Well, it'll be interesting.
You know, and again, they got the fur the the original warrant and then the renewal in January of last year, based uh, you know, without um my ever talking with them.
And I uh eventually, as was leaked.
Did you know you were being spied on by your own country?
There were news reports.
And I actually, you know, I had uh a hint, some hints out there.
And uh and I actually uh spoke, you know, eventually as as was leaked to the Washington Post, uh Devon Devlin Barrett, um, you know, uh later last summer uh it came out that I I did have these conversations.
And I asked them about it specifically and you know obviously nothing was I think Putin is a bad actor.
I think Russia is a hostile regime to the United States.
Do you agree with that?
I think there are uh I think that's a long discussion and there are things that there may be elements more nuanced is what you're saying?
There are nuances and I think there are ways out of those the predicament that you're alluding to I do think that listen I think the Russians I do believe that they Devin Nunes wrote in 2014 Washington Examiner that they're going to try and disrupt our elections.
Yes.
They did.
But we knew but they've done it to Europe they've done it to a million countries.
This is now their standard operating procedure and the fact that everyone was surprised is ridiculous to me.
Well and as you're alluding to you know it's if there's if there are these standard operating procedures they go back many decades 70 plus years right?
And so, you know, I think what President then-candidate Trump was talking about is trying to be creative and find, you know, do something.
Little Rocket Man's coming to the table, it looks like, on June the 12th.
So, yeah, I think it's better to be at peace with any country than to be in a state of war because people bleed and die.
Americans lose their lives.
We just had Memorial Day uh yesterday.
So let's go to this whole you're speaking out.
How did the FBI to use the headline ruin your life?
Well actually it it ties in with what you were just saying any any um damage that was done by the U.S. intelligence community to me is minuscule compared to the intelligence failure in Iraq right?
And there is very there's a lot of close similarities where they were basing decisions at the at the the highest levels of a government that that Saddam used these weapons of mass destruction against his own people the Kurds in the North we have we have dead bodies on and videos of that whether he got rid of them or not I don't know.
Did in the in the lead up to that war did he funnel those weapons to Syria?
I mean I think those are all fair questions.
In this particular case, if it's an intelligence failure, weren't the weapons, the powerful weapons of intelligence turned on you?
They were turned on me, but I think it was for a bigger purpose, right?
To damage then candidate Trump so you were just a pawn and a play against Trump you believe that we'll see.
You know I I'm waiting for disclosure I'm waiting for some honesty from Department of Justice and others.
But the yet but all of this has ruined your life I again that's what I was alluding to there were 4,000 plus people who lost their life after that intelligence failure in Iraqi so you're alive so you didn't ruin your life like theirs.
No comparison whatsoever.
I still have my arms and my limbs and so I still think I personally think it's an open question on on Iraqi intelligence I and intelligence is it's an imprecise science.
I you know it's hard um but I don't like these tools being turned on the American people let me let me ask you this you met have you met Robert Muller's team?
Have you been called into the special counsel's office?
Well you know there's been a lot of leaks and some people have talked about well I uh that's that's in the report and some uh are you not allowed to talk about it?
Well I I If you did go would you not be allowed to talk about it because I know that um what's his name lost nearly lost his house um he's been speaking out lately Caputo Caputo.
Yeah yeah I'm I mean he's been they told him when he left he told me in an interview we'll be watching you on TV.
Have you ever told anything like that?
You know I I think relatively speaking compared to the Senate Intelligence Committee which has been very vocal and in terms of various leaks about me there's been relatively mi minimal leaks in terms of the special counsel.
I feel zero legal jeopardy.
Because you did nothing wrong.
Absolutely.
It's it's inconceivable.
I mean, everything that's even speculated is makes no sense whatsoever.
Yep.
All right, Carter Page is with us.
Yeah, he's the guy when we always talk about Trump campaign associate, that's him, the one that four four separate Pfizer warrants, four separate lies to four separate judges.
Signed off, by the way, once the last one by Rod Rosenstein and people like Sally Yates, uh, that allowed this government to spy on him, and yet it was all based the bulk of information on a phony dossier.
That's a problem for this country.
It's a problem for the rule of law, uh equal justice under the law, equal application under the law, our Fourth Amendment constitutional rights under the law.
And why more civil libertarians aren't with me on this is shocking.
I will take a break.
More with Carter Page.
Sarah Carter response to this at the bottom of the hour.
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Uh Carter Page is in studio with us.
He is the Trump campaign associate, four separate Pfizer warrants against him.
The last one was signed by Rod Rosenstein.
One of them signed by Sally Yates.
Yep.
Have any strong feelings towards them?
Well, you know, there is there is interesting um case.
Previously, uh Mr. Rosenstein was the U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland, right?
Right.
And two days after the dodgy dossier was put out, on January 12th, 2017, he filed a case, he led a case against a SWATing uh incident where a couple of kids were joking around and called the police, right?
Right, and then sort of made a big incident out of it.
Right.
And that that became a big federal case.
And it's interesting, it goes back to what you're talking about with the two standards of justice, right?
In America.
Nothing this is actually involving one young man from a 19-year-old guy from England, Coventry, England, Robert Walker McDade.
Right.
And he's, you know, he's going through this big uh, you know, they're looking to X um bring him over to the United States to face charges.
Compare that to Mr. Steele, who's being, you know, a much more senior person, and there's a big cover-up surrounding that.
So, you know, again, it's exactly what you're talking about, Sean, two separate justice systems.
We have two separate announcements.
I don't have a lot of time yet.
Um You were for in the first meeting you had, you were asked about the dodgy dossier.
This is right after maybe two months after BuzzFeed had published it.
I've examined this closely a lot of times.
And then a few days later, you had another meeting.
Tell me about it.
Well, you know, again, as was leaked to Devlin Barrett at the Washington Post, you know, and came out last year.
Everything's leaked.
You being in the studio is going to be leaked.
Go ahead.
Exactly.
Well, you know, they were asking um, you know, I I had a long series of meetings in March of last year, and they were asking me a lot of questions.
And originally, you know, they were they were um basic questions about the dodgy dossier, but over time, the good people from the you know, the age FBI agents I was talking to, sort of you could tell they got the joke.
They could the agents did.
The rank and file did.
Exactly.
By the way, I always separate those.
Uh, you're gonna join us on TV tonight?
I look forward to it.
Yep.
Carter Page, thank you.
Sarah Carter, next.
Uh, what's the difference between an informant and a spy?
Well, first of all, I think there's very typical of Mr. Trump to mischaracterize.
He's a master of mischaracterization and dishonesty.
Uh a spy is somebody who is recruited.
Uh usually it's a foreign national who is going to work in behalf of U.S. intelligence agencies to provide um information about uh issues uh related to our national security.
A confidential human source uh is what the FBI uses in order to have some insight uh into what may be going on that could involve criminal activity.
And so to label someone as a spy when they're a confidential human source, I think is doing a disservice uh to these individuals, but also to the FBI.
But again, this is something that Mr. Trump uh is, as you said, masterful at in terms of twisting the truth in order to uh support his narrative.
Clapper has now admitted that there was spying in my campaign, large dollars were paid to the spy, far beyond normal, starting to look like one of the biggest political scandals in U.S. history.
Spygate, a terrible thing, exclamation point.
What the hell is he talking about?
What what what is what is this?
You are the former FBI director of what what is that?
Yeah, I as best I can tell, it's made up.
I don't know where he's getting that from, honestly, and a number of things he's announced were the biggest scandal since Watergate.
My guess is two weeks from now there'll be something different than this, but uh I don't know anything about those facts.
Right.
So and do you find that to be at all possible or probable?
And I just play devil's advocate that there was a spy inserted into his campaign by uh an intelligence agency.
Uh I don't find it possible and I know it not to be true.
I ask you, was the FBI spying on Trump's campaign.
Well I no they were not they were spying on a term I don't particularly like but on what the Russians were doing.
Trying to understand were the Russians infiltrating, trying to gain access, trying to gain leverage and influence.
So why doesn't he like they do why doesn't he like that?
He should be happy though.
Well it should be right so that was uh John Brennan and James Comey Brennan talking about Trump the master of mischaracteration characterization and dishonesty Comey Trump's spy gate claims are not true and Schumer Trump calling Sean Hannity a unsecured phone well let me set the record straight I have never to my knowledge ever talked to the president on a cell phone.
I don't recall ever knowingly talking to him on a cell phone ever.
You know people can speculate all they want and James Clapper agreeing with Joy Joyless Behar she should be happy the FBI was spying on his campaign.
Now we have been watching you know I took a few days off and I'm watching all weekend long oh it's just informants these are these aren't spies it's just informants in the campaign informants that were spying on the Trump campaign.
The very purpose of their existence was to spy.
And and for the media to just try and parse it like Bill Clinton on steroids is embarrassing.
Anyway uh Sarah Carter is with us investigative reporter Fox News uh contributor and uh she has some new information about all of this great column again by Byron York uh on all these people talking to Carter Page earlier uh Sarah how are you I'm doing great Sean thank you how are you hope you had a great weekend.
I did thank you and uh just to go these were spies the idea that they're trying to say these are just informants they're not that's not true it's not true.
Well and it also appears that you know based on the information that we hear coming out based on the conversations uh that Byron York as well as I have had with Carter Page as well as other reporters have had with Sam Clovis uh and stories that have come out with George Papadopoulos the more information we're hearing and the more we're seeing it it goes beyond the idea of even spy or informant.
I mean there's some serious allegations here that there was possibly influence by these people to kind of set up these situations, these scenarios.
Now I know this is still being investigated by the House Intelligence Committee and remember Sean the House Intelligence Committee is still waiting for documents that the DOJ and the FBI are refusing to turn over on how investigation started but as we see now based on the timelines it doesn't appear that this investigation really started in the summer of 2016.
It appears to have started much earlier in the early spring um of of 2016 and a lot of this information that we're hearing now kind of points in that direction it also brings into account some of the people that were involved in this in London.
All right, let's go and let's go through the timeline.
Andy McCarthy really tore this up.
This really was a two part and a two part effort.
And part A was the exoneration of Hillary Clinton.
And I don't think we can put enough emphasis on this, that this was never a real investigation, that the fix had always been in here.
And the very same people that were involved in that investigation and exoneration of Hillary were the same people that ended up, you know, going two days later over to Great Britain.
to start this whole investigation into Russia collusion even though we now know it it started in the literally in the spring did it not of 2016?
Yeah it appears that it did start in the spring of 2016 at least that's when they all became aware of what they had and what I mean is those people uh former FBI director James Comey who was fired Andrew McCabe who was fired.
So what happened was in March on March 21st 2016, that's when uh then candidate Donald Trump announced to the Washington Post, um, his foreign policy team, the team that was working with him.
He named off Carter Page.
He also named off George Papadopoulos.
And believe it or not, at the time, George Papadopoulos, who's a young guy who really didn't have a lot of experience, both he and Carter Page were volunteering at the behest of Sam Clovis.
Uh George Papadopoulos was actually working in London at the time.
And what's really interesting is that even before Donald Trump made that announcement, uh, this uh professor, uh Joseph Misfoot, who was uh connected to the Russians, had already, but not just to the Russians.
Remember, this professor was also connected to former members of the CIA.
He was also connected to British intelligence on March 14th, he met with George Papadopoulos in Italy and became very interested in him.
This is where everything gets kind of fuzzy.
Like, where did it all start?
A lot right now we're seeing that March 21st was significant because that's when Comey went to Loretta Lynch right after Donald Trump made that announcement, and he and McCabe actually briefed Loretta Lynch about Carter Page being on there.
We know this how?
Because the House Intelligence Committee report talks about this.
And shortly after Comey and McKay brief Loretta Lynch, they then go to the National Security Council meeting.
This is the the meeting with all the principals.
And who are the principals?
Samantha Power from the UN, John Brennan from the CIA, all the top officials.
So this is still in March.
This is still in March of uh 2016 and early April.
Now they brief them, but they decide at the briefing, both with the one with Lynch and I apparently at the one with the principals, that they're not going to give this defensive briefing to President Trump to stress any concerns they have about Carter Page being on his team.
What's even more unusual, Sean, even more unusual than that, is that Carter Page actually helped the FBI in a previous case put away from the city.
If they were worried about Carter Page, why didn't they go to the Trump campaign and say, hey guys, I want you to be aware of uh for your own safety and security that there might be somebody we need to keep an eye on and that we're investigating.
That to me would be the the proper protocol, but instead it seemed like they saw an opportunity to weaponize uh somebody that had even worked for them in the past, apparently.
Absolutely, and that is a huge question because I have talked to a number of people within the FBI, former and current, as well as people within the intelligence community, and that is protocol.
If there is any question about somebody approaching a presidential candidate, whether that be Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, whether it be in the past, uh Marco Rubio or anybody else, whether that person, if that person is connected to the Russians or some other state actor that is a concern for the United States, then absolutely by protocol, they have to give a defensive briefing.
And in this case, they gave none.
But instead, what we find out is that April, right after all of these discussions take place, we know for a fact that in April, Fusion GPS is hired by Perkins Kuey to go after Trump and possible Russia connections.
That's when Fusion GPS also hires ex-British spy Christopher Steele to put together this dossier.
And that is paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
I don't believe in coincidence.
I don't I don't believe in coincidence either.
Let's go to Andy McCarthy's timeline, and I think this is very, very interesting and troubling.
Now, Ted Cruz had just dropped out of the race, and it became unbelievable to the likes of Strzok and Page that Trump was going to be the Republican nominee and that he'd be squaring off against Hillary.
And I think what's what's so interesting about what his piece shows here because they were both stunned, and as Andy says, that the only words we needed to know that reflected the mindset of the agency's leadership because they were in leadership, now the pressure really starts to finish MYE, the mid-year exam, which was the code word the FBI had given to the Hillary Clinton email probe.
And both of them agreed that that was really, really important.
And so and this was the top brass of the FBI.
And remember, Trump was to them somebody they didn't think could win.
That's why they talked about maybe an insurance policy.
But, you know, the real reality is, is that these these investigations can't be compartmentalized because the FBI saw them as an...
inseparable link as as Andy pointed out.
You know Trump's victory in the primaries the opening his path to the Oval Office meant that Hillary's case needed to be brought to a close and then later that led to you know Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
That's right you couldn't really separate one from the other right at the time especially if you're looking at the leadership and considering the fact that Peter Strzok who was head of the Russia desk at the time was looking into both of these cases and how they intertwined with each other was critically important because you see that the the criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton that gets dropped that gets pushed away.
Comey made sure of that so did the FBI.
They're no longer going to the case closed she wasn't intending to do any to create any malice there was no real gross negligence here.
But as soon as Trump becomes the candidate everything goes into high gear.
Why?
Because they believed at the time they believed at the time that that Hillary would take this and this would be sweeping.
Now they become and this is according to sources that I've spoken with also kind of a state of panic right they have to get things taken care of.
They have to ensure that that Hillary does win.
And a lot of the sources that I spoke to a lot of former FBI senior law enforcement officials that understood how these operations work that understand how things are meant to play out and they saw all the flaws in that investigation into Hillary Clinton said boy oh boy they must have been terrified that means everyone that this would start to unravel.
Stay right there we'll take a break we'll come back uh more with uh Sarah Carter on the other side 800 nine four one Sean is on number Carrie Pickett investigative reporter for the Daily Caller is going to check in with us.
She has a story out today about the FBI and Senator Grassley's whistleblower law and uh also we'll be checking in uh with Senator and Dr. Bill Cassidy Louisiana and much much more as we continue Sarah Carter investigative uh reporter and Fox News uh contributor.
All right what about these recent reports scattered across social media that uh the this testimony of this FBI special agent you know we got reports that Trey Gowdy and others and Bob Goodlat have at least three or four FBI uh special agents that were involved in all of this regarding the Clinton email investigation and they want to testify after the IG report comes out about how bad the fix was in for Hillary.
To me that's going to be the blockbuster testimony.
I yeah I think we have a lot to look forward to when it comes to that testimony.
I know for certain that one of the uh FBI special agents who's still a current FBI special agent according to my sources is willing to provide testimony direct testimony in relation to uh his work with Peter Strck uh and the interviews that they conducted with Flynn and any of the circumstances surrounding that.
Now remember Sean what's really important here is that if they're current agents that means they're not retired and they're going to be providing testimony they have to be subpoenaed to a large extent and they have to be subpoenaed directly that means we don't subpoena them through the FBI.
We don't let the FBI sit on their their subpoenas uh you subpoena these FBI agents directly subpoena them at their homes tell them that you need them to you know to show on a certain date and make that testimony public.
You know, at first I was thinking, talking to a number of agents, there was a lot of back and forth between whether or not it should be made public or whether or not it should be kept behind closed doors, the testimony.
Now that I've been speaking to a number of retired law enforcement officials and current law enforcement officials, they say, no, this has to go public now regardless.
But those subpoenas have to come in because, you know, the dangerous situation that a lot of these FBI agents put themselves in, especially, you know, if they're currently working if they walk over you know to the House Intelligence Committee or reach out to the Senate Judiciary Committee they could get into a lot of trouble uh with the Bureau.
So the only way to protect these agents as best as they can is to subpoena them.
And I don't know why they have not done so yet.
I think that's very important.
Uh the House Intelligence Committee as well as the Senate Judiciary Committee has had some of these names for some time.
Subpoena these agents, get their testimony, make it public, let the American people know what's going on.
Yeah, well said.
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Uh we actually chat here in a week that had a lot of developments.
Uh what do you make of the president's demand of the Justice Department that they investigate essentially investigate the investigation of that involves his campaign and perhaps him?
Yeah, well, this has really taken the assault on the rule of law to a new level.
Um really from the beginning of this presidency.
Um President Trump has not observed the nor the time honored norm that's been in place, um, at least since Watergate, that there should be a real division between the Department of Justice and the White House.
Um certainly DOJ is part of the executive branch.
We all recognize that.
But for the public to have confidence that the law is not being used in a political way, um, presidents in both parties have recognized that those decisions really need to be left to the people of the Department of Justice.
And there have been, you know, incidents in the past from calling, for example, um attorney general sessions and trying to get him to drop the criminal case on Sheriff Arpayo to repeatedly calling for the investigation or prosecution of his former political rival.
Um, but this took it a step further because he didn't just opine, he actually directed.
And you know, that does take things to a different and more dangerous level.
What do you think the FBI did?
And and who do you think?
Well, I mean, what we do know is is that there was indeed a confidential human source, this is what the FBI would call it, uh, that was was actually giving intel, not only to the FBI, but you have to ask the question uh when did it start?
We do know that actually those confidential human sources were engaging prior to the official FBI investigation.
So the question begs at whose direction, you know, what were they collecting, and who were they reporting to, because that was happening before the FBI actually opened an investigation.
And so, as we know that, and we know that from non-classified sources, uh, there is no question that there was a spy that was collecting information.
And the definition of that, somebody who does something in secret without the uh the knowledge of another person.
They may have had someone uh uh who was talking to them uh in uh uh in the campaign.
But you know, the focus here and as it was with the intelligence community is not on the campaign per se, but what the Russians were doing to try to to instantiate themselves in the campaign or to influence or leverage it.
So if there was someone that was observing that sort of thing, uh well, that's a good thing.
All right, news roundup and information overload hour here on the Sean Hannity show.
That last call was James uh Clapper, believe this is a good thing.
The FBI's spying on the Trump campaign and the media, of course.
No, it's just an informant.
Okay, same old lies.
Then you had John Brennan.
Remember, the guy lies for a living.
You know, former voted for a communist.
Unbelievable how he ever became the CIA director.
Trump is the master of mischaracterizations and dishonesty, gives definition of a uh what a spy is.
Um, excuse me, with all due respect, if anyone ever did this to the Clinton campaign, uh, we'd never hear the end of it.
And Mark Meadows rightly pointing out, yeah, there was a spy in the Trump campaign.
It appears now multiple spies.
Now, Carrie Pickett is an investigative reporter for the Daily Caller.
She has another Story out today on the FBI and Senator Grassley's whistleblower law, which is not doing enough to protect FBI agents who we now know want to come forward and they want to be put under oath by Congress so they can tell their story about how those in the upper echelon of the FBI were mishandling all these investigations and abusing their power.
Now, anyway, the Daily Caller, you know, talk to disgruntled FBI uh agents, they're afraid of retaliation to speak out about the Bureau's many troubles.
They want to tell the story about Comey, McCabe, Strzok, and Page, because that's not who they are.
And unfortunately, their reputation is smeared in the process.
I keep trying to remind everybody, this is not rank and file people.
And these sources are saying that the agents don't even trust Congress will protect them from the consequences if in fact they testify.
Now, again, it was a report today that there's going to be at least three or four FBI special agents now that are going to go before Trey Gowdy and Bob Goodlatts committee that are going to blow out the entire Inspector General report because they were a part of these investigations.
And the FBI rarely punishes those who retaliate against whistleblowers, according to the uh agency itself.
And anyway, the Grassley Law does an appropriate job of protecting any whistleblower from unfair prosecution.
But the we better get this right going forward so the powerful tools of intelligence are not used against the American people in the future.
I'm doing great, Sean.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
So let's go through your article today, which is a follow-up on the article that you put out last week, but very specifically, we have very brave FBI agents, special agents that were there that saw the saw a lot of these deeds being done.
They knew it was inappropriate, probably even law breaking.
They want to talk, but they're afraid to talk.
That's right, Sean.
Um I'm glad that we're doing this follow-up because after my initial article came out, you had uh Senator Grassley, who of course is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the upper chamber.
He went to the floor of the Senate to uh defend this uh this whistleblower law that he spearheaded.
And I I certainly want to make sure here that everyone knows that the whistleblower protection act, along with the enhancement of the whistleblower protection act that went out to um really uh specify uh protections of FBI agents, uh is not necessarily uh a big problem, but it needs more protections in it.
Uh, mainly because uh you have FBI agents who um will say, and there was one specific FBI agent who did become a whistleblower in 2013, they'll say, Look, if if we step forward before, say Senator Grassley's committee, uh then what can happen is you'll have the uh agency along with the the department itself, they can do retaliatory measures that can financially ruin us via legal fees.
So whether it's through an administrative charge, or for example, loss of effectiveness.
And then next thing you know, you'll end up having the uh agent having to pony up money out of his or her own bank account, and they'll end up being destroyed financially.
Also, um they'll have their reputation destroyed, and then they'll have a very hard time uh getting employed uh in the future, and uh next thing you know, their entire lives are destroyed.
Ultimately, Congress has a very tough time being seen as uh overseers of of the agency because the agency uh brass are the ones who uh are are not feared by the FBI.
It's uh it's a it's a very tough thing here because the FBI doesn't look at Congress as shall we say tough guys.
All they have to do is just stall and say, okay, you know, we're just gonna put you off.
You know, we're not going to really take you seriously, because what exactly can you do to the Justice Department, the guys who do the prosecutions?
What exactly can they do uh to to the guys who are the ones who take people to court?
Congress has to figure out a real enforcement mechanism against the Justice Department, because as of now, people aren't too sure what exactly that enforcement mechanism really is.
I mean, that's such An important point here.
Um, and it's and look, this is why a lot of us have said we need a special second special counsel, but those people that were on the inside that are real true law and order people, that are people that that saw abuse of power that witnessed corruption at the highest levels, those are the people at the end of the day.
Here's an irony that we're gonna get to the bottom of this abuse of power only because of people in these agencies that are courageous enough to speak out.
And you know, I keep saying this.
I don't think a lot of people want to hear it.
You know, all of a sudden people are saying, well, conservatives are turned against law enforcement.
Not at all.
You know, there's nothing my whole family was in law enforcement.
It's just the opposite.
We're just we we know the rank and file are good people that do a good job, that put their lives at risk for us every day.
But we can't, you know, uh when you have abuse of power where one presidential candidate is literally kept in the race because they rig an investigation when false information is pr pr presented to four FISA judges, and they don't tell the judges this is unverified, turns out to be untrue information about Donald Trump and that Hillary paid for it.
When you've got unmasking and surveillance and leaking raw intelligence at the level that we have seen increases we'd never seen in this country's history, and all of these things writing on this, this is a very dangerous time for the country.
So we've got to get to the bottom of it, and it's gonna be rank and file FBI intelligence, CIA people that help us get there.
Absolutely, Sean.
And look at this pattern that we're seeing coming out of the Justice Department, how they go after uh both the the uh the private sector and their own employees when they uh essentially, shall we say, retaliate?
Uh it's the idea of leaving them dry financially until they end up saying no mosque.
Uh over on over in the private sector through the Mueller investigation.
They went after, of course, uh Caputo, they went after Flynn.
It's the idea of bleeding people dry financially, whether they're innocent or not.
And that's something that I really think that the legal eagles here in this country really have to start looking at in terms of should the a a department like this have this kind of power to say, hey, we don't know if we have a good case or not.
But you know what?
We're just gonna use the infinite resources that we have, both legally and financially, to just bleed this person dry.
Uh and and or or entity dry, so then they're just gonna say no moss.
Yeah.
What do you think at the end of this?
There are documents that I keep getting reports on that exist that'll blow this entire thing out of water.
When do we get that information?
Well, that is uh million dollar question, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Your guess is as is as good as mine.
And uh hopefully very soon.
Yeah.
At this point, yeah.
But I can only imagine uh it will be probably uh uh I would imagine within the next uh uh at least a few months, you know, if not few weeks.
We'll see.
All right.
Thanks so much, Kerry Pickett, 800-941-SHAWN is my toll-free telephone number.
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All right, let's get to our phones here.
800 941 Sean, our number.
Dave is in Atlanta News Talk WSB.
How are you?
Dave, what's going on?
I was talking to your old buddy Neil Bortz over the weekend.
We were chatting.
What's going on?
Well, I'm glad you're back and uh first time caller, and just want to say we really appreciate what you're doing collectively with Sarah and John and Greg for um really uncovering the greatest threat to our democracy.
But la last week you were bantering with your team about going on 60 minutes, and I I I just couldn't believe you would even consider that with the advice that you've been giving the president on being interviewed by Mueller.
You keep saying don't do it.
Obviously Well, there's no legal jeopardy for me, but it's totally a setup.
Listen, this is how this is how CBS, and I learned this with Ted Coppel.
Now, Ted Coppel and I over the years, I always knew he was a left winger.
That's fine.
We had a respectful relationship.
He's interviewed me before.
Uh Sean, I want to interview you for night one.
And you know, so he's all right.
He comes over, does an hour interview with me, and he shows a minute and seven seconds just to make him look good and me look bad.
We have to give some credit to the American people that they're somewhat intelligent and that they know the difference between an opinion show and a news show.
Yeah.
You know, you're cynical.
Look at that.
Yeah, I'm cynical because uh, you know.
You think we're bad for America?
You think I'm bad for America.
Yeah.
You do.
In the in the long haul, I think you and all these opinion shows.
No, you know why?
That's sad.
Because you're very good at what you do, and because you have you have attracted a significantly more intuition.
Let me finish your sentence.
Let me finish.
If you can finish the sentence where you do.
Hey show them respect.
With all the respect.
You have you have attracted people who are determined that ideology is more important than facts.
And so that's how it ends.
And I gave him a long answer, but he didn't put my answer in his piece.
And that's what 60 minutes is notorious for.
Six, seven, eight, you know, five hours, interviews, and then they just break it down into making conservatives look as bad as they possibly can.
I'm not doing it.
The answer is no.
Good, because all I can see is they would take your words out of context, push their narrative, and they have no interest in it.
Let me tell you what this story is before they even, you know, get to us.
Some guy that I guess used to work there, got in contact with a producer at Fox.
Their story is this.
President Trump's friends with this idiot.
That's the whole story.
You know, oh my God, we're doomed as a country.
That's what it is.
And they have no earthly idea of the relationship that I have with the president.
I support his agenda.
I've always supported tax cuts, conservative judges, building a wall, peace through strength.
I never supported the Iranian deal.
I never supported bribing dictators.
I supported energy independence, deregulation, and you know, everything that he's doing, I have expressed as my opinions long before he ever got on the political scene.
And that part of the equation they don't want to hear.
I'm even arguing that the president's not a populist or uh a nationalist.
I think, you know, make America great again, put America first, good trade deals, free and fair trade.
All things I've believed in my entire career, which is now 30 years in radio and 23 and a half on television.
I know it's a miracle.
Every day I survive, I pinch myself because they want to destroy this show too.
Quick break, right back.
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We'll continue.
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That of course was the big promise.
Now, they did get rid of the individual mandate that was part of the economic package that the president got through.
But at the end of the day, there are two things that I preferably would like to see done by Congress before the midterm elections, which I am saying will be the most important in your lifetime.
This is a referendum on whether or not Democrats get to overturn a duly elected president.
Because you know the two things they are running on.
Well, three, actually.
One, they want to impeach the president.
Two, they want to raise your taxes, and they want to take away your tax cuts.
And three, they'd love to keep Obamacare.
Three huge things.
And we know how many millions across the country are paying so much more for far less than they've ever had before.
And yet what frustrated me the most during that entire health care debate was the fact that innovative solutions like health savings accounts and health care cooperatives.
You know, for seven years in this program, we've been putting Dr. Josh Umber on from Wichita, Kansas, uh Atlas MD, and this is a guy that you pay 50 bucks a month as an adult, 10 bucks a month as a child, unlimited care.
He personally, his whole cooperative negotiates directly with the drug companies.
They have all the prescription drugs.
You need a prescription.
You walk out of the doctor's office with it in your hand.
You don't go to a pharmacy.
And on top of that, you get catastrophic care at a high deductible, the highest you can afford, and that covers God forbid cancer, heart attack, or a really bad accident.
And those things weren't discussed.
So before November, I think Republicans ought to keep their promise fully and completely.
And the other thing is fund the wall completely as well.
Those are two issues that I think would help them in November.
Joining us now is Senator Dr. Bill Cassidy of uh Louisiana.
Senator, how are you?
Hey, Sean, I'm great, man.
Thanks for having me.
You know, a lot of your colleagues, hey, coming on my program.
What happened to them?
I'm not sure.
I love coming on your program.
Maybe it's one Irish guy speaking to another Irish guy or a conservative to a conservative, but whatever.
I love it.
All right.
Let me ask you about the possibility.
Do you agree with me it would be helpful to Republicans to get these two issues off the table?
Two big promises that they made.
Repeal and replace, and also the opportunity to fund the wall that you know that's a 75-25 issue for the country.
Absolutely.
Couple things.
Let me just say regarding health care.
You know, Trump said he wants to drain the swamp.
Right now, there's a huge swamp in health care in which everybody's making lots of money, but it's the patient, it's the family paying more and more in premiums, deductibles, and copies.
And so if we can drain that swamp, it's going to not only fulfill a promise, it's actually going to also help the average family be able to afford the rest of their life a lot much more.
And I think that would be a great way to go into the midterms.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Why when the debate over health care came up the last time, I mean, I read patient power, I don't know how many years ago, it was put out by the Cato Institute by uh Musgrave and uh Goodman, I think.
And uh, you know, these were health care savings accounts, and it's just amazing to me that you know, here we have talked about all these things, but that never came up during this discussion.
That was never a bill presented.
Except for you, uh well, no, you and well, and it was just gonna, you know, between you and and Ram Paul, I think you're the only two that talked about health care cooperatives.
So, in terms of the uh what you described with the doctor from Wichita, we call direct primary care.
We have a bill we've introduced in order to make direct primary care law of land.
I can also say that I worked with John Goodman.
You you mentioned him earlier.
We had a bill both with Pete Sessions and then with Susan Collins and with Lindsay Graham, which which heart and soul was stuff that I worked on with John Goodman.
And the point being You give the patient the power.
If she gets the power of price, for example, if you order a CT scan on her son's belly, she actually knows the cost of it before she goes to get the test.
And if she doesn't like the cost, she can go to someplace else, same quality, but a lower price.
Imagine that.
You'd know the price before you go in, as opposed to find out later.
Also, health savings account reform, all into that.
Health savings account gives the patient, as you described earlier, the power to control her own expenses, and that way if she gets the cancer, she goes into the catastrophic, but she can control her expenses.
You combine her with price transparency, and all of a sudden you have a functioning market that's lowering cost.
Yeah, look, well, I mean, I I've poor Dr. Josh Umber.
Now he's been able to to institutionalize the things that he does for his patients in Wichita.
There's almost a thousand places now that have opened up, you know, similar practices.
Could you imagine unlimited care for an adult fifty bucks a month and you get everything except the heart attack, the bad accident or the cancer taken care of, and that could be handled through an inexpensive catastrophic account.
And the nice thing about it, the doctor is your advocate.
So if you need a colonoscopy, I'm a gastroenterologist that I think about these things.
Uh I'm told that someone like Josh doesn't just send you to their friend or doesn't just send you down the street without further investigating, gonna send where you get the best price, the best experience.
Because otherwise, why would you go back to Josh?
Your experience reflects upon your experience with Josh.
And so there's a vested interest for that doctor to make sure that you get the best wherever you go.
That's a good thing.
Yeah, no, I agree.
What made you become a doctor?
You know, um become a senator after you're a doctor, and I know Rand Paul, same thing.
Why would anybody want to go to Washington?
What's wrong with you?
I mean, are there some underlying issues that you need to have dealt with yourself?
You know, at its best, at its best.
By the way, there's no wonder why people won't come on my show, because I'm a jerk.
I wouldn't come on my show either.
I'm just teasing.
No, no, no.
At its best, medicine and politics is about serving another person.
Taking as much knowledge as you can put together and bringing it to a point for that one issue, that one patient, that one diagnosis.
I'm privileged to do both, and I kind of with with 20% of the nation's gross domestic product as health care, having experience as I have is a fantastic way to approach being a senator.
I gotta tell you, I really like your state of Louisiana.
I've been down there a number of times.
Uh, I know you guys have had a lot of catastrophes over the years with Katrina and and some other catastrophes, but um it's such a great state, wonderful, heartwarming people.
Then you got, you know, it's uh it's definitely represents everything that is freedom, crazy, and fun, especially if you include Mardi Gras and all that.
Well, I kind of chuckle, but you can say that our state, we were the only state that came into the union, and they published the articles in three different languages French, Spanish, and English, and you still that see that kind of reflected.
You come to New Orleans and you see that kind of cuisine, which is incredibly distinct, and that's because it's an amalgamation of three different cultures.
It makes uh the music, the the the culture and the food uh just just uh cr incredibly good experience.
All right, I thank you, Dr. Cassidy.
We appreciate it.
Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Let's get to our phones here.
Let's say hi to Dan is in Michigan.
Dan, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, how you doing?
I'm good.
What's happening?
Um, hey, I can I as as a representative of all us strong crazy Trump supporters.
I ask a favor out of you.
Yes, sir.
Could you simply on a regular basis demand that Donald Trump owes it to his half of the country that that loves him to fire Rosenstein and fire Mueller?
His button is vigor.
He has listen, he it's it's all true under Article 2.
He can fire all of them.
Here's the problem the president has it's a political problem.
It's a perception problem.
Uh yeah, I don't think that I I think in every way imaginable, this has been a witch hunt.
You know, we have chronicled, let's see, surveillance abuse, unmasking abuse in this country, leaking raw intelligence in this country.
We have discussed, yeah, there were Pfizer warrants issued against the Trump campaign and Trump campaign associate.
Yes, Pfizer courts were law lied to.
Yeah, Hillary, in fact, the fix was in.
The whole investigation was rigged.
We got some really serious issues that we're dealing with in terms of law and order and abuse of power and corruption.
All of which is true.
And unfortunately, the president got caught up in this in large part because Jeff Sessions allowed it.
And but it's the hand we're now dealt.
And I think that the moment may come.
And I'm pretty sure that there's information that will come out that is so damning that people like Rod Rosenstein are going to be in deep, deep trouble.
We already know.
Look, McCabe's been criminally referred.
When the IG report comes out and the FBI special agents that testify before Gowdy and Goodlat, when they tell their story, I am telling you there'll be no choice.
I would expect criminal referrals for many of the people that we talk about regularly on this program.
So it's unfortunately it's it's just a matter of a time now because the wheels are in motion, and they never thought they'd get caught.
They all thought she'd win.
They all thought this was going to end perfectly, and the American people would have known nothing about this.
But it didn't work out that way.
I say one more thing.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
Um, and everything you just said, I agree with.
But that was like for a year ago or half a year ago.
Everyone, everyone now knows he's an innocent man.
And and Sean, if he's an innocent man and fires them today, there's no way the Democrats would have the political power to impeach him.
They're not going to get 76 U.S. senators to kick him out of office.
So he's he's innocent.
And if the House tries to hold a trial, it'll prove that they're more guilty and he's more innocent.
So I'm just saying the political power's behind him now to get rid of them and then him dare them to try to remove him from office.
Well, I think it's all about removing him from office.
Anyway, uh appreciate you.
That's all it is.
That's all it's always been about.
Uh Will is in Chicago.
Will, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, how are you doing?
I hope you had a good memorial.
I did.
I have a good vacation.
I'm revved up, ready to go.
Uh I needed some time.
I get very, very, very clear when I take days off.
And it's helpful in terms of I begin to my create my creative juices begin to flow more, so I feel in a good spot.
Well, it just it's it's unfortunate for us because when I tune in and I don't see it, I'm like, oh man, John's on vacation.
Uh I love uh I love all the guys that fill in for you.
Oh, thank you.
Well, here here's my question.
As a conservative, okay, that I am, and I watch your program religiously, and I know that there's great people, Sarah Carter, John Solomon, Greg Jarrett, all these great contributors you have that have been working tirelessly on on covering all this uh corruption.
What can we realistically expect?
Because right now the Republicans control the House and the Senate.
But what if that changes?
What if it does in the November of the midterm elections?
I mean, can we realistically expect if there is a shift in control that any of this will get off the ground and any of these people will be indicted, for example?
You know what I mean?
Is that a fair question?
Yeah, of course it's a fair question.
You know, look, I'm gonna here's where we're gonna end up here is that I believe that there we're not gonna win everything that is right and just here.
You know that.
But there's going to be a lot of these deep state actors, because the deep state always protects the deep state.
But there's gonna be a lot of these actors here that just skate under the surface that probably got away with massive, massive abuse of power.
Absolutely.
And Sean, I believe this will go, in my personal opinion, without having the evidence in front of me.
I know it in my heart.
This goes all the way back to Obama.
There's no way this guy didn't know what was going on.
I don't believe it for a second.
The question is, as Judge Napolitano would say, can you prove it?
Yeah, good question.
Can you prove it?
No, they're not gonna prove collusion.
You know, that's why every single charge that has been made here is not connected.
And the idea that these 13 Russian bot companies were indicted, and they thought they'd never respond to these charges, and even one of the companies didn't exist at the time.
It just shows you the desire for Mueller to create a perception, a false narrative, a belief that yeah, Russia, Russia, because then you could say, well, Matafort and Russia.
Manafort had nothing to do with Russia that indictment.
Well, well, General Flynn, same thing in the end.
We have an amazing Hannity tonight on the Fox News Channel.
All right, we have uh Michael Caputo, Sam Clovis, and Carter Page.
Three people that were approached by the FBI spy in the Trump campaign.
An exclusive interview.
Sarah Carter, Greg Jarrett will join us.
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