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That was the mother of Clint Laurence.
If you remember back in 2013, we have covered this story a lot, just like the Christian Saucier story.
Remember Christian Saucier took six pictures inside a submarine, and lo and behold, he got a year in jail.
Oh, for mishandling classified materials.
Hillary, uh, she got away with murder and and obvious obstruction of justice on top of it.
Uh she did the same thing on a much deeper level.
It's unbelievable.
We have a two-tier justice system in America.
Anyway, Clint Lorance is literally convicted, this guy of murder, sentenced to 20 years in prison.
He took over a platoon in Afghanistan in July of 2012.
And just prior to his arrival, there had been a number of people in this platoon killed by middle-aged men on motorcycles speeding towards their patrol.
That same MO happened again.
And he had to make a decision.
Do I protect my men?
Do I do I defend my men?
I know what had happened just about two weeks earlier.
Anyway, the prosecution was claiming the Afghani men were innocent, civilians, uh, but we now know there's new evidence that has emerged in this case that prove the so-called middle-aged men were biometrically linked to IED events and common at common grid coordinates and linked to other IED markers and link with American paratroopers having been killed in action.
And the new information about Clint's case regarding the Army's uh 2012 hearing in August report in which the Army admits that the enemy was scouting Clint's platoon that day.
They never turned over that report.
This man needs a pardon.
Anyway, we have Memorial Day coming up, and uh Congressman Duncan Hunter, who's been from the very get-go, you know, fighting hard on this case, and still this this poor man has not gotten the justice he deserves, and he's innocent.
How are you, sir?
Sean, I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me.
And you know, the the big thing that strikes me about this, it kind of I hate to draw comparisons with the Mueller investigation on Trump, but what it looks like, these military lawyers and DOJ lawyers, they're not looking for justice.
They don't care about justice, they don't care about doing the right thing, they care about convictions, and they care about convictions, even if that means what the military I know types of things.
I mean, you know, but I was talking to Marcus Sean.
I was talking to Marcus Lutrell yesterday, and we had a we just text him back and forth, and everybody knows Lone Survivor.
We've all seen the movie, and he was it, and that was real life for him.
And he lost, you know, his these are brothers to him.
These are these guys, you know, they they all have each other's back with all the Evidence in this case that shows that the people that were charging at them were in fact people that could, you know, blow up individual members of their platoon.
How were we sitting in the comfort and peace of our towns and our cities and the United States?
How are we to make that decision when it's not our ass on the line at that minute?
Well, two things, Sean.
Number one, it's the military, but they're military lawyers.
These guys aren't aren't infantry marines or soldiers or artillery marines or soldiers, they're lawyers.
And they have the same goal as Department of Justice guys do, and that's to get convictions.
Number one.
Number two, what you said is exactly right.
You have the people that are sitting back here and in their nice air conditioned Pentagon, second guessing what the men do on on the ground overseas, treating them like cops, treating them like what I mean, cops shouldn't even be treated the way that Clint Lawrence does when the when the ev evidence came out that he in fact killed bad guys.
Hey, and and there's a new piece of evidence which hopefully will help us get this case reviewed again.
If the president won't simply pardon Clint, we just got a piece of evidence in the last week.
Okay, the uh they un we uncovered this.
Clint's lawyer uncovered this.
They they killed another guy after that incident, after they killed the bad guys on the motorcycles.
They continued their patrol looking for insurgent ambushes, which is what they were told to do, and they killed another enemy.
No one ever told the lawyer that.
Nobody.
The court had no idea that they had killed another enemy combatant on a totally separate engagement after they had killed the guys on the motorcycle.
So you have things like this that the Army intentionally is keeping from the defense lawyer and from the jury.
You know, you see this stuff when the Army screws up, that they just want to cover it and cover it and cover it up.
So like Pat Tillman, Pat Tillman, the great football player, died from um friendly fire fire.
The army, the army could not bring itself to admit that.
It took him years to finally come out and say, Yeah, he was killed by friendly fire instead of just doing the right thing in the first place.
And I think the Army's stuck now because one thing you'll never see a military service do ever.
Even God God bless the Marine Corps, you'll never see the service admit that they're wrong, ever, period.
You know, and by the way, joining us now is Captain Roger Hill, author of uh Dog Company, a true story of American soldiers abandoned by their high command.
Well, it sounds like exactly what happened in the case of Clint Lawrence.
How are you, Roger?
How are you, Captain?
What's going on?
I'm good, sir.
Awesome.
Thanks for having me on.
Yeah, so what a tragedy.
Clinton did exactly as he was told.
He was trained, actually he was trained for the circumstances that he was confronted with, and he acted and his platoon acted exactly as as they were trained, and they're being punished for it.
Now, after the fact, we have found out that the guys that they actually came across and killed were bad guys.
My argument is this, though.
Even if we had found out that those guys that they killed were innocent, or we were unable to prove that they had uh ties to the enemy or ties to bomb makers in this case, um, because of the fog of war and the type of combat that we fight in, uh, the type of fighting that I've seen, the type of fighting that Duncan Hunter has seen, we have to give the benefit of the doubt to our troops on the ground, uh, regardless of how these situations end up, regardless of the collateral that's created.
Um, but in this Captain Captain Hill, in this particular case, that very same platoon, was it two weeks earlier or a week earlier?
This is just before Clint Lorant uh took took over the platoon.
The very same MO happened.
They were attacked by the COVID.
That's why he he was there.
This is Duncan again.
That's why Clint was there is because the lieutenant was killed.
I mean, they had their platoon commander killed by military-age males on motorcycles.
So Clint Lawrence comes there to relieve the lieutenant who was killed, and then he sees the exact same thing.
What would you do?
What would anybody in their right mind who's in a combat situation and sees the exact same scenario unfolding that killed his predecessor?
You're gonna kill those sons of guns.
And he did the exact right thing.
How do we judge in the comfort of our homes?
I mean, it is outrageous that we literally are putting handcuffs, and then of course these insane Obama rules of engagement.
I just want to make sure that this gets the attention it deserves.
Has anybody gotten this to President Trump yet?
Yeah.
Yeah, I hey hey, Sean, this is Duncan again.
I mean, I've I've written them letters.
You you've talked to him and told them this by by name, um, and that was fantastic of you to do.
I you know, President Trump probably has a bunch of military lawyers whispering in his ear saying, Oh, you can't overturn military justice, blah, blah, blah.
You we're we're being faced right now with the same bureaucracy that has one of Trump's ears.
We need to get the other ear and make sure we make a uh a better case and get Clint out of jail.
I mean, that's it's that simple.
I've got to I listen, I brought it up in an interview.
I've got to ask him again because I I I and he did respond in the case of Christian Saucier.
Uh you know, just to show that this is not an isolated incident, Captain Hill, you know, you wrote a whole book on on the story about American soldiers being abandoned.
What happened in your case?
Well, we found out that we had spies operating on our base, and then in and around a lot of our patrols.
In fact, one of those spies was my interpreter.
Um when we ran what would I call a sting operation, basically we collected on these guys for a while, found incontrovertible evidence against them, turned that over to our higher command.
They refused to pick these spies up for one reason or another.
And when the when I was faced with the the thought of uh releasing them, which was according to our protocol at that time, our rules of engagement at that time, or confronting them myself and trying to get whatever is and all I could out of them.
I took matters in my own hands.
Um I interrogated them myself, scared them into talking, and almost ended up in prison for it.
And uh so, in a lot of ways, the situation is an alright.
So you get a you get a confession at a spies that puts everybody's life at risk, and you get in trouble for that.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was facing.
Why would anybody listening to this who has a maybe maybe a young kid seventeen, eighteen, twenty years old, wants to go in the military.
Why, after listening to this, would anyone want to go?
I mean, it's bad.
I mean, I mean, if you're you're willing to already put your life on the line, now you you're being told that it happens repeatedly that the government's going to abandon you if you have to make a split-second decision to defend those those brothers that you're out fighting with.
Yeah, absolutely.
All things considered, I don't know that I could tell my own children to consider the military.
I'm sure you feel the same way.
Well, I saw listen, I I was very clear on the air.
If Barack Obama's president, I don't want any anybody I know, wait till there's a new president.
Now I would say I have a much more open mind to it.
Because I know Donald Trump, if he fights, he's gonna fight to win it.
Yeah, but again, to Duncan's uh to Duncan's point, has he gone back and reconciled any of these past grievances?
I mean, to me, that would be a true testament to his character.
He has the power to do so.
Why hasn't he acted?
Well, I'm not making excuses for anybody, but I will say that he did in the case of Christian Saucier, that should give us all hope.
Number one.
Number two, um, you see that you see what this president has lived under for the last you know, since he's become president, and the attacks, and yet he's still making tremendous progress for the country on the economic front, foreign policy.
But I am convinced that if these facts are given to him, and yeah, there are a lot of lawyers around a president, which is a pain in everybody's neck, but I am convinced that if he got the facts of this case, that he would do the right thing.
Duncan Mr. Duncan again, you know, we we uh sent him the letter um that explained all of these things with the new evidence that that Clinch law.
Well, you know, he didn't get the letter.
You need to go in the White House and the Oval Office and tell them and put it and put it in his hands.
Yeah, here's what we're gonna do, though.
We're gonna try to get the army to to look at this again and save themselves this embarrassment.
Because this has happened with we've we've saved a number of guys, Charles Martin, the guy that beat up the child pedophile in Afghanistan.
Army tried to kick him out.
Matt Matt Goldstein, Silverstar Green Green Beret that killed some bad guys that had killed Marines.
The Army tried to kick him out.
I probably have about 10 names that I've that I've saved, kept them in in the army in all of these cases because the army kept screwing up over and over.
So this is it'd be great to see the army fix this because we don't want to have to pin to depend on the personality of the president of the United States going forward with the systemic problem we have in the military while we're at war of bureaucrats and lawyers in the Pentagon deciding when guys go to jail because they're committing acts of valor and courage in in combat.
Because that's what you have right now, and it's a system problem.
It's it could be fixed by the president, but as soon as you have a different president that doesn't love the military as much, boom, we're right back where we were, where you're having guys getting put in jail for doing their jobs.
This needs to this needs a a system fix where the lawyers get out of the way and the combat hardened military leaders get to make this these decisions.
I couldn't agree more.
I do do believe that this president needs to be briefed in person with the lawyers there.
So this way, you know, the you don't leave the room and then the lawyers come in and say, no, no, no, no, no, you can't do that.
You know, that happens every day.
Uh all right, thank you, Duncan Hunter for what you do.
I'm out of time captain.
All right, Captain, we got a roll thank you.
Thank you, Duncan Hunter.
You have a group of investigators and they say that I am not a target.
And I'm not a target.
But you have a group of investigators that are all Democrats.
In some cases they went to the Hillary Clinton celebration that turned out to be a funeral.
So you have all these investigators, they're Democrats.
In all fairness Bob Muller worked for Obama for eight years.
You look at the statements that were made if you take a look as an example at the Rod Rosenstein letter to me prior to the firing of James Comey.
Just read it.
Put it in the air your viewers don't know about it.
Put that letter on the air it very much speaks very loudly and that's just one thing I can tell you there have been people who have been uh uh making threats privately and publicly uh against me uh for quite some time and I think they should understand by now the Department of Justice is not going to be extorted.
We're going to do what's required by the rule of law, and any kind of threats that anybody makes are not going to affect the way we do our job.
The Department of Justice has written him a letter and responded as appropriate to him.
The request he's made is one that the intelligence communities and Department of Justice feels is not grantable.
We've explained that we'd be willing to talk to him about it before, the details of which I couldn't discuss.
We continue to peel the onion back, and I'll tell you what happened.
Two weeks ago, we sent a letter.
to Attorney General just sessions a classified letter uh it per usual it was ignored uh not acknowledged just completely ignored so last week we sent a subpoena and then on Thursday we discovered that uh they are not going to comply with our subpoena so what are you gonna do very important information that we need so what are you gonna do?
The only thing left that we can do is we have to move quickly to hold the attorney general of the United States in contempt and that's what I'm gonna press for this week.
All right I think the president laid out the best case for himself and Chairman Nunes saying what he's saying Rod Rosenstein line we're not gonna be extorted.
Well the problem is we have separation of powers in this country we have a constitution in this country we have coequal branches of government in this country Congress has a duty to as it relates to oversight on all of these issues as the judge in the Manafort case said on Friday, You know, no one group of government has unfettered power.
So it comes into play here.
They have been slow walking.
They have been giving out phony redactions in the name of national security when it's proven otherwise.
Like in the case of, oh, James Comey didn't believe that General Flynn was lying.
Well, that has to do with national security.
No, it does not.
And the fact that now they have created a constitutional crisis in the sense that Congress now is tired of all of this, all of the excuse making.
how consequences well beyond contempt of of Congress if the Department of Justice and FBI officials continue to withhold documents in defiance with congressional subpoenas.
Joining us now he is at the forefront of all of this is Congressman Mark Meadows is the uh chairman of the Freedom Caucus.
How are you sir?
I'm doing well Sean and you're right it is uh interesting the amount of pushback that we're getting from the Department of Justice and if doing your job is extortion uh then shame on them.
Well I let let's go through number one what your authority whether be it the House Intel committee be a Trey Gowdy's committee be it Bob Goodlatt's committee etc etc.
You know the this is the role of Congress.
That is your constitutional duty.
We have checks and balances separation of powers.
Where does the DOJ and FBI get feel that they can defy congressional subpoenas like this.
Well it's kind of uh like the mystery Man behind the curtain.
They act like there's this uh whole uh air of uh uh superiority that that quite frankly uh most Americans and your listeners don't uh don't adhere to.
I can tell you this that when I've asked the deputy attorney general to share the statute, and I mean the law, the actual law that would allow him to keep these documents from Congress, he can't quote that.
So it's interesting.
He says, Well, we're gonna follow the rule of law.
Well, the rule of law says that Congress has the ability to conduct or oversight, and indeed we are uh not only entitled to these documents, uh we we are demanding them.
And if they're not willing to do it, we will hold them in contempt of Congress and take the appropriate action.
Okay, let's talk about what the appropriate action is.
I mean, after you issue a subpoena and after deadlines are passed, and after redactions after redactions are handed in, and then it's found out later that the redactions are for uh to prevent embarrassment, not for national security, as they claim.
What is the next step?
Well, the next step, and you've heard it talked about some Sean, uh, would certainly look at uh uh removal from office, and uh and that's uh obviously our founding fathers gave us the ability to provide impeachment documents.
It is a privilege re resolution on the floor, which means that any member of Congress can bring it, and it would require a vote within two legislative days.
And yet here we are uh talking about that.
That's not where I want to go.
That's not where the vast majority of people want to go.
All I want are the documents that we have requested to provide uh proper oversight.
But I can tell you that the fuse is very short.
Uh Chairman Nunes has obviously uh suggested that we ought to hold uh the DOJ in contempt of Congress.
Uh those discussions are happening today and tomorrow.
Uh but this is something that will play out in days, not weeks, because I think the American people, and quite frankly, I'm tired of the talk and rhetoric.
It's time that we actually get something done.
Okay.
So let's go through the different options or the ways that Congress can stop the you know, stop this deadlock that is with uh the DOJ and the FBI.
What is the best you know, and by the way, and the and the Department of Justice is not helping.
This at the end of the day, where is our attorney general?
Well, that's the problem, and I think that that's the frustration is generally an attorney general uh for an administration would be the one that would actually make uh these documents flow at a much greater rate and and much easier to Congress.
Uh and yet what we're seeing is is that Jeff Sessions has recused himself as it relates to any matter with regards to the Russian investigation.
And even beyond that, Sean, here's here's the problem is that Rod Rosenstein appears to be running the Department of Justice uh to the exclusion of Jeff Sessions.
And so it it is uh one area that we can do is we can certainly appeal from our committees.
You mentioned Trey Gowdy, uh Chairman Gowdy and I can request uh documents from the executive branch, and and indeed the president has the ability to override it uh with his national security team if it does not uh well he can overwrite it for any reason, but they could override it very easily if it did not include uh national security uh measures that would put be put at risk.
You know, I I know that Chairman Nunis revealed on uh Sunday that he would hold the Department of Justice Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt.
The Attorney General recused himself, I understand from things involving Hillary, but he's a former senator, and I believe maybe even a former Congressman, if I'm not mistaken.
But he certainly we know he served in the Senate for a long time.
I don't understand why he would be a part of any effort, why he's not demanding that sessions handed over.
So what so if he if if he continues to do it, is this something that you feel that Congress is gonna have to do, hold sessions in contempt?
Well, I I do believe that.
I I I can tell you, Sean, and and no one really knows this, but I I reached out to uh the Speaker of the House last night to Suggest uh that we take that action expeditiously, certainly encouraging him to do that, but also to give him some of the evidence and facts.
I mean, uh the Department of Justice would like to put out this narrative that they're being uh so cooperative and that it's the conservative members of the House Freedom Caucus that are not being reasonable.
Uh there's a a a body of evidence that we have, both written and uh in email form and in letter form, but also in phone calls that would suggest that not only have we made appropriate requests, but they have inappropriately not responded.
And so uh listen, I I I'll say it right here with you.
If Rod Rosenstein or Jeff Sessions wants to come on your show at any time, uh I'll make myself available.
Jim Jordan can make his self a ba available, they can bring their talking points, we will bring the facts, and we will have a debate on national TV and let the Americans.
Rod Rosenstein, we never would have gotten the Nunes memo because up to the last minute, my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, is Rod Rosenstein personally went to Paul Ryan's office begging and pleading Ryan not to release the information that led to the public finally becoming aware about the FISA abuse issue on how Hillary Clinton and the DNC funneled money through a law firm,
hired a foreign national, put put Russian lies in a dossier, and then never told the court a that it was unverified, uncorroborated, and that she paid for it.
We wouldn't have known any of that, and that it was the bulk to quote the Grassley Graham memo of information in the application to spy on on the Trump campaign associate Carter Page.
Well, you're spot on, and you're right.
Uh they were objecting until the the minute it was released, and it was going to harm national security and you know, i and and I can tell you there was nothing in there that harmed national security.
Quite frankly, it was embarrassing uh perhaps to even some of those that were objecting to it.
And uh listen, the American people deserve the truth.
Your listeners deserve the truth, and at this point, uh we're going to continue to put pressure from a congressional standpoint until those documents and the truth is revealed.
And uh and I can tell you the president's been consistent on this.
He he he says let the facts lead where they may and let's be transparent.
And that and by the way, that was one of the things that he told James Comey, some obstruction of justice.
Right.
Well, you're exactly right.
I mean, he said he had told James Comey, if there's something bad out there, we want you to investigate it.
It doesn't sound like obstruction of j justice to me.
All right.
Let's talk about what is the overall overarching issue, which is uh an obvious witch hunt against the the President of the United States.
Do is there any evidence to date from any of the committees investigating from anybody anything we can see with the special counsel that involves Trump Russia collusion?
Because the judge on Friday in the Manafort case was as brutal as any judge I've ever witnessed in my life, beating down this notion that Paul Manafort's tax issues as it relates to the Ukraine, not Russia, in two thousand and five and seven through seven,
have anything to do with this, but it's all to put the squeeze and the screws to Paul Manafort to see if he sings or if he composes, which would mean, you know, uh give him any make up anything to uh to make this go away for him.
Well, uh it's interesting you say that because you're right.
The j the judge was very direct and uh and indicated what a lot of us have believed is that they're using some of these uh tangential pieces of evidence or or suspensions to really squeeze witnesses to try to go after the president.
And uh uh the the judge was very articulate in that.
You know, we'll we'll have to see whether that position remains.
But I can tell you this that when you start to look at at the body of evidence and where they're going after this, there is no evidence of collusion to date.
Not even my Democrat colleagues who would love to see this president impeached and out of office, they can't even put forth evidence.
They just say, well, we need to study it longer.
We need to investigate it longer.
But to date, after a year and a half, they do not have any evidence that would suggest collusion on the part of the president.
All right, got to take a break.
We'll come back.
We'll have more with Congressman Mark Meadows from North Carolina, chairman of the Freedom Caucus.
We have an incredible Hannity tonight, nine Eastern on the Fox News channel.
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Uh we'll go through this judge's ruling again at the top of the next hour.
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Uh now also a potential mixed martial artist.
Maybe he's gonna jump in the octagon.
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Uh is in that he had to do it.
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Listen, I want to go fast too, but you haven't gotten pulled over by the cops as much as I have, obviously.
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Of course, you're Herschel Walker.
Well, you know, everyone says I look like Herschel Walker, but they don't think I'm here.
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Um, well, this is a really cool thing.
So obviously there's a big story behind you in the nomination and your service to your country.
I want people to to understand how you got nominated and how you ended up because there's so many heroes.
I mean, we should be doing this like once a day uh for everybody, and I got maybe there's a way to do it.
Uh I always like to dream big.
But tell us about your life, your career, your service in the military.
Well, uh, first of all, I want to say uh, you know, there was over uh what, five thousand heroes nominated, and you know, all the all of them are heroes to somebody.
So uh, you know, I just happened to be the fortunate one to get picked.
But uh, you know, why was I picked, you know, uh I obviously I served my country at a very high level.
Um my team did a lot of good things overseas.
Uh unfortunately I can't go into detail on a whole heck of a lot of it.
But uh the judges must have seen something in the write up.
Uh you know, I'll never take credit for uh what you know me and my team did.
It was a team effort.
Who nominated you?
An old boss of mine, actually.
He he was a boss.
He then he uh his name's Randy.
Uh and I'm in Pittsburgh.
So thank God Randy nominated you.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And you know, the funny thing is, you know, he moved and took a job in Dallas, so I haven't really seen him in a few years.
And I I get this phone call that I was actually blowing off because I thought it was a scam.
And uh this is Herschel Walker.
Not from Herschel, not commercial, it's from Rocky Ridge.
Yeah.
And um and I thought it I thought it was a scam, and then eventually they called Randy and Randy called me, and he said, 'You need to call these people back because uh I nominated you for something.' So I didn't even know there was an award out there.
Tell us the story, though.
Everybody, I mean, look, 5,000 people, your story is pretty amazing.
Well, you know, it like you say, you can't go into a lot of details because of some of the things that he did.
But one of the things about his stories that really touched us a lot is he never worried about himself.
And that's one thing I think that a lot of people don't realize about these great uh responders and our military service veterans and our active members is it ain't about them.
And that's the way Brian has been.
It was never about him.
He was always always about someone else.
And when he won, it was like he wanted it for his team rather than for him and his wife, and it was for him.
And and that's what touched me a lot.
Is uh he he said, you know, my team, and you go, wow, man, that's big there because you know, and being an athlete, sometimes we get selfish, we get selfish and assume we deserve the trophy and it's not a team thing.
And and that's what I like about Brian, and that's the reason he deserved it, and the reason he won it.
That's a really great story.
Um those are all the stories that you're not allowed to tell that everybody wants to hear, you know.
But if people and I I know too many people in the military, I know too many people in the intelligence community, and I know the dangers they face every day.
I mean, this is life and death stuff that you face that we kind of take for granted because you know, we go about our daily lives, and and that's why you do it so we can be free uh to pursue our dream dreams.
You know, look at this incredible man next to us here, Herschel Walker.
What a career you've had.
And I love the fact that you're so active and giving back.
Um I also am amazed uh you you've taken some strong positions.
You actually like Donald Trump.
Oh, I do.
I like Donald, and I will continue to support Donald.
And you know, what's sad about this whole situation here, and and I'm not talking calling that Democratic, I'm gonna call out anyone that's not respecting Donald Trump.
He's our president.
I was listening to the news earlier, and someone made a statement that he's your president, but they were asking uh the guy that running for I think Secretary of State, he's your president.
No, he's your president as well.
Unless you don't like him, then you leave this country.
Because he was voted in by a system we put in place.
Now, if you don't like the system, you got to change the system.
But Donald Trump is my president, he's my leader, and we should follow him.
You know, whether you like him or not, but what's great about it, and because of people like Brian, we have a chance to vote him out.
You know, we're not in a country where uh, you know, you can do something and you can you don't get a vote.
We have a voice today, but we got to use that voice in the right manner, and and I speak out about it.
You also spoke out about the national anthem.
I was glad you did.
I, you know, and and this kind of dovetails into why Brian is here.
And I've always viewed that flag as sacrosanct in this sense.
Oh, it is.
People fought bled and died fighting under that flag.
And listen, I I I'm all for freedom of speech.
I'm all for freedom of expression.
I'm all for, you know, whatever cause you believe in, you know, peacefully, protest, demonstrate, but not to stand for the flag to me was disrespectful to all that fought bled, died.
It was disrespectful to America.
And I and and I and I'm gonna throw it back on leadership.
And I said, guys, you know, the commissioner, he could hate me.
I can never get into the Hall of Fame.
I don't care.
It's gotta be leadership because when it first happened, he should have put a stop to it then.
And people say it wasn't about the flag, but it was about the flag because you decided you were not gonna stand for the flag.
And there has been people that are fault and they died for it.
White, blight, green, yellow, it doesn't matter what color you you are, but you fought for that flag, and they say it's not about the flag, but it is about the flag, and and I disagree with it, but I also say leadership should have took the place and said, No, you're gonna stand because this is your job, it is your responsibility.
And I think right there, I think leadership dropped the ball.
It's even in the uh bylaws and the rules that the team set out for the players.
And by the way, there are other freedom of speech uh issues that come up.
You're not allowed to do a dance in the in the end zone.
You're not allowed to do this in the end zone.
That I mean, they've got so many restrictions about what you can and cannot do, what you can and cannot wear.
Uh so the idea that we're stifling the NFL or players or freedom of expression, nobody wants to stifle them.
I actually liked Robert Kraft, um, who I I got to know uh a couple times I met him, and he said, Well, I said to my players, uh, if you want, I'll match you dollar for dollar, and we'll go into the community, whatever charity is is most important near and dear to your heart.
I'll I'll match it.
You know, let's let's bring it to the community.
And apparently he did, and it had a pretty big impact.
Well, you know, I think that's that shows good leadership.
And that's the reason reason you see the New England Patriots in the playoffs every year.
So they have good leadership.
And I said that's what it takes in this country to also have Tom Brady.
Tom Brady helps out a lot because a great deal.
But and that's what I've been saying right now, and that's why I stand behind Donald Trump.
I think he's gonna he's a great leader.
I think the uh the people should give him a chance.
He was voted in, give the man a chance to supervise to run this country because if you don't give him a chance, he's having to fight within his party, fight within the people.
Every day.
He's not had a free day.
And that's what's sad.
All right, I gotta ask you.
Because do you work out with Herschel, Brian?
No, I do not work.
All right, so you you have the most insane workout regimen of anybody that I've ever heard of.
And are you still thinking about going in the octagon?
Oh no, I I I still would fight.
You know, it is no big deal.
You know, one of the things about it is No big deal.
I'm not going in the octagon, you know.
And I train five days a week.
Well, you know, I I think what it is is uh I'm still competing.
And uh because I'm competing, I say that I do 1,500 push-ups, uh, 500 sit-ups a day.
And the reason why is the guy that I'm competing against maybe doing 500 pounds in weights.
He may be doing uh, you know, out doing all those things.
So I want to be ready when he steps into that cage or that octa gun and let him know that you know I'll be your hunker berry.
It ain't gonna be an easy day for you.
I'm not gonna be in there with you unless I'm coaching you.
How do you do 1,500 push-ups a day?
Yeah, one thing you I do 100 to 200.
I mean, that's it.
Push-ups are very boring.
Push-ups are very boring.
So you you want to play tricks on the mind.
One thing you don't want to do is do a standard push-up, move the hands around.
Yeah, we do.
Work the total body, but take it, take a deck of cards.
What you want to do is take a deck of cars, split them in half, and flip a card over, and that's what you want to do uh in the push-ups and go all the way down to the to the end of the deck, then start back your way back up, and you'll be shocked how many push-ups you've done, or decide to watch a TV show.
And uh if you're gonna do something.
So you're saying take a card away every time you do a push-up?
Every time you do a pushup, if you turn the cars over, it's a 10, do 10 pushup, do nine push-up, do three.
It's the only time in my life I'm gonna hope for a two.
Well, and and then and that works, but then when you're doing the two, go down real slowly or put the hands together.
Don't make it as easy for you because people think life is easy.
Life is very difficult.
And one of the things you gotta realize is you gotta sacrifice.
You know, everybody would don't want to sacrifice.
You know, you want to be an athlete, but you want to pay the price to be an athlete.
You can't, if you want to be an athlete, you can't go to a club.
You can't go out to a bar drinking, you can't do this.
If you want to make good grades, I'm sure.
When did you learn that?
And when because most, a lot, not most, a lot of athletes, you know, so many talented athletes, they get caught up almost immediately in that other life because uh doors open that were never open before, and they're they they're famous and and they've got money that they never had before, and they're going to the clubs, and then all of a sudden their performance begins to decline, and it's really not a surprise.
But a lot of people get caught up in that trap.
How did you avoid it?
Well, I think I avoided it by having my parents that gave me that uh the foundation to understand that you know nothing is free in life.
And uh, you know, Brian will tell you, you know, that's a price for freedom.
And there's a lot of people that pay that price for me.
So I don't want to waste it.
You know, I don't want to waste it.
You know, my parents, I I love them to death.
They they give me a good foundation, but I also want to be a good father.
I want to show that same respect to my son because I want him to grow up to be like I was.
I'm old your son.
He's 18.
Mine's 19.
Oh yeah, oh, and you you know what I'm talking about.
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
But you know, one thing that's great about him is the little boy uh just won the national champion and the competitive cheer gymnastic thing.
And every time someone sees me, they say, Oh, is he a football player?
I said, No, he's a cheerleader.
He does that competitive cheer, he loves it.
By the way, that they're throwing you 45 feet up in the air.
Good luck.
Very, very difficult sport, but one thing I tell them that they'll be proud of.
He is also a student in college.
He's supposed to be a senior in high school sophomore in college at SMU.
Oh, great school.
Could have gone to Georgia for free, but he's an SMU where we're paying.
So it's a little bit more.
Sean, do you want to try something with Herschel right now?
You want to do some push-ups?
Because I mean, you're incredibly strong.
I think you and Herschel should get down on the floor and do some push-ups.
How many do you want me to do?
Yeah, two.
Lucky numbers.
We can do 25.
I'll tell you what, why don't we do uh I'll tell you what?
I'll watch you can watch me do 25 for Facebook.
Well, uh no, I'll tell you what we'll do real quick.
It won't take that long.
We're gonna do like uh we only do like five.
We'll do two minutes.
We'll do five, but we're gonna do a hand position.
We're gonna go all the way down and touch the chest on the hand.
We've got to go out live with one, two.
Got it, let's do it.
Okay, ready?
All right, by the way, Brian, uh God bless you.
Honestly, thank you.
I I know you can't talk about what you done.
Uh I'm very, very happy about the true American uh hero truck giveaway.
Uh awesome story that you can't tell, but it is one of heroism and one where it's it's nice to see the men that save our freedoms every day honored this way, and it's been great to have you in the studio.
Thank you.
That's why you don't have to do push-ups.
You already served your gonna do this with we'll put it on Facebook with Herschel.
All right.
All right.
The devil went down to Georgia.
Yeah, he was looking for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind because he was way behind, so he's willing to make a deal.
When he came upon this young man, saw it on a fiddle and playing it hot.
Well, the devil jumped up on a hickory stump.
He said, Boy, let me tell you what.
I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too.
And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Whoops.
And you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul because I think I'm better than you.
So he said, My name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet.
You're gonna regret because I'm the best as ever been.
Johnny Rosen up your boy.
Play your fiddles hard.
Cause hell's broke loose in Georgia.
The devil gives the cards.
And if you win, you get the shiny fiddle, they don't go.
But if you lose the devil gets your soul.
All right, that can only mean one thing when we're playing the devil went down to Georgia.
That means our buddy Charlie Daniels is back.
And along with him is uh Bob Brigan, is the founder of this group called Operation Song, a nonprofit group that empowers vets and active uh duty military to share their stories through songwriting.
And uh we're also gonna be joined in a minute by Sean Niket, an Iraq war veteran.
He co-wrote the song.
We played it on the air before.
Uh that's called West Point to Arlington in memory of his uh special forces captain.
We'll play in a few minutes, but let me uh welcome uh Mr. Daniels, sir.
I know every time I start start doing your song, you laugh.
I know.
I know you're making fun of.
You still remember the words, I am expressed.
What do you mean I still remember the words?
They're etched into my memory.
I had a great time when we did that on a freedom tour.
Oh man.
It was so fun for me.
You you look like you look like Garth Brooks jumping around on the stage, man.
I swear you're gonna fall off a drum riser or something, what yeah.
It was bound to happen.
If I stayed on tour with you, you were probably gonna lose all your fans.
People say you're ruining the best song we're all waiting for.
People got you would not believe how what charts people got out of it.
They loved it.
It was so fun.
And that listen, I know how many times you've been over, you know, doing USO tours and seeing you know our military guys?
You you have devoted so much of your personal time and your band's time.
I've done uh I've done I've I've been doing it for a lot of years.
I've been there, of course, and went to Iraq uh three times.
But uh went uh I've been to Guantanamo, I've been to Greenland, I've been to gosh, uh uh Kosovo and Bosnia, and I don't know, just uh wherever our guys and gals are at.
Uh you know, we we've tried to get there, uh, especially in my younger years.
We tried to get there.
What do you mean in your younger years?
You're only 30 years old.
You're very kind.
I'll go about 51 years ago.
I hear you every weekend on Y2 Country.
They're playing you all the time.
Well, that's good, man.
I'm glad to know somebody's playing my my rep my records.
Of course, they're playing your records.
Or, you know, you got the Zach Brown band giving you a run for your money on the devil.
Well, that's true.
They do a great job on that.
I've I've heard them do that.
Is that a compliment to a to a songwriter and and obviously you're an icon in the country music industry, and you know, somebody is successful and really talented as Zach Brown comes along and he wants to play your song.
Is that a compliment to you?
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely is it.
It's uh you know, I love hearing people do our stuff.
I like to hear other people do it and see how they you know how they perceive it to be.
But yeah, absolutely.
And and Sean, uh they do such a great job of Jack Brown does.
That I mean, they're just the we're I've heard all kinds of people have written parodies of the song.
The best parody I ever heard was a song about the English-Scottish soccer game called Big Witty Went Down to Wembley.
And then the refrain went, Bites on the Terrace Run Boys Run.
That's amazing.
Well, I want to welcome your your buddy Bob uh Regan here, Operation Song.
Uh a great idea, brilliant, actually.
A Nashville-based nonprofit empowers vets, active military, sharing their stories through songwriting.
You know, I look, I wish I had the talent of a songwriter because I I I got a lot to say, obviously, Bob, but I'm not sure that you know Hannity singing about the deep state, deep state, James Comey, uh Ron Rosenstein would fly.
Well, we can we can work on that.
You don't need to be able to do it.
Maybe water you'll get to be able to do that.
Yeah, we'll call it muddy swamp waters.
We'll call it deep state waters.
You'll get in writing a song, Bob.
Yeah.
We can do it.
I've written a song with just whatever anyway.
Uh, this is Bob, and I thank you so much for this opportunity.
Well, we appreciate what you're doing for the troop.
Look, Memorial Day is this weekend, and I know for most of us that means family, friends, barbecue, golf, fishing, whatever you like to do.
Um, but one of the one of the vets that wrote one of these songs is Sean Niketta's his name.
He's an Iraq war vet, and he co-wrote this song.
We played it on the show before, West Point to Arlington in memory of his friend, Special Forces Captain Andrew uh Paterson Keel.
He lost his life serving in Afghanistan in March of 2013.
Uh anyway, so I want to feature this song, and I just think as you go through your weekend, just take a moment, you reflect about all those that literally gave their lives so we can have the best life possible on this earth and live in freedom and fun like we do in America.
Music Driving home from work today, tears rolling down my face.
Couldn't help stopping free for your family.
Wouldn't but just last me.
Told me about your fiance, how proud you were of that greenbury, going overseas.
You knew you were hit in the hill.
But you had a job that was bigger than yourself.
Now I'm trying to live a life.
worthy of your sacrifice to be the husband and the father you never got to be now your work is done your course on earth is run it can be said well done be thou at peace
Just that became an amazing hit song.
Now in order and again to honor Memorial Day, uh, there's a new song.
It's called The Last Monday in May.
And what's amazing about this it conveys the meaning of Memorial Day and the voices of fallen soldiers from the past hundred and fifty years.
And it's just so well done.
The uh vocalists are Ward Davis and uh Jimmy Ray Cells of Vietnam vet, Navy Special Ops, and Ian Wagner, Rack Afghanistan vet and combat medic and Purple Heart recipient.
And uh anyway, they performed a song on the National Mall for the past four memorial days.
They're going back this month here.
Listen I took a musket ball in Chancellor'sville.
I went down and I lie here still Underneath a cross of stone The world has turned and time's moved on There are seasons when it seems That everyone's forgotten me Till the
last Monday in May guitar solo
when all the springtime flowers bloom they come and decorate my grave, but only bones lie here in tune, my spirit flies as high as oh glory waves on the last Monday in May I fought
on a distant shore In the war to end all wars World War I turned into two They are gone into pelton It's hard to rest so far from home But one day a year I'm not alone
On the last Monday in May When all the springtime flowers bloom They come and decorate my grave But only bones lie here in tune My spirit flies as high as all glory weighs on
The last Monday in May From the jungles of Vietnam To the mountains of Afghanistan And whatever wars are yet to be We'll fight to keep our country free My chopper went down in Iraq One more week I made it back Now
my war and battle's done I rest in peace in Arlington My wife is here most days with me Won't you come keep us calm to me The last Monday in May When all the
springtime flowers bloom The last Monday in May
they come and decorate my grave but only bones lie here in tune my spirit flies aside so glory waves remember all of us and the sacrifice made on the last Monday in May.
I love this song.
The last Monday May.
They're going to be uh singing that and featuring that uh coming up this weekend.
I mean, these are all vets that put this together and they perform this uh song uh um at the national mall now for the past four memorial days.
You know, uh Sean, first let's start with you.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, those songs just get me every time.
I think this is such a great a great opportunity and uh at Catharsis for all these men and women that go fight for us, and uh they come back and they have to deal with you know PTSD and all sorts of difficulties reacclimating themselves to a regular life and uh those that don't come back.
It's such an honor that you guys do this for them.
Yes.
Uh thank you, Sean, for having me on.
Um I'd love to say a couple words about Andrew, if you don't mind.
Um, we met uh at West Point when I first entered, really, and he was a mentor and a friend, and he knew the dangers he was facing, but went anyway.
You know, there's no um better definition of a hero than that.
But beyond that, the way he lived his life was one in which he was touching others' lives, obviously, uh constantly.
And so that's what really motivated me to write the song.
Uh I had a hard time dealing with the loss of a mentor.
And so, yes, it did it did help me sort of process that, but also wanted family and friends of Andrew to know that he had an impact far beyond um his own personal service in the military as well.
What a great honor to your friend.
Uh Charlie, I've known you forever, and I know you give your heart and your soul, especially.
You got such a such a big part of your heart invested in in freedom in this country and honoring those that serve this country.
There's certain songs when you're singing, and especially some of your patriotic songs, and you have a you know library full of them, amazing ones.
When you're actually on stage, it gets to you.
Has that ever happened?
Yes, it has.
I have had songs that get to me.
I get uh nobody knows it, basically, but I have gotten dear out on stage before.
I I feel very strongly about this country as you do, Sean.
Uh I don't know a bigger patriot than you.
You're good American and a wonderful patriot.
But there's a lot of us out here that feel the same way, and uh nobody much more any more so than the ones who've led their lives on the line to go and fight for so we can never ever do enough for them.
And I do we don't do enough of them.
We don't definitely get Gary Addle State sometime.
I have done it on one of one engaging.
Absolutely.
All right, so Bob and then Sean, tell us, you know, people want to be a part of this, what they can do to help you.
Um, well, uh first thing go to our website, uh Operation Song.org, and uh you go to the landing page.
There's a wonderful video of this song, and uh just learn a little more about Operation Song.
We're on Facebook, we're on you know all all social media, just look for Operation Song on YouTube or SoundCloud.
We've written over six hundred songs at this point with veterans of World War II.
Last weekend we were at a retreat with 20 gold star kids, and it's uh this idea just kind of took off, and uh this is I had a wonderful uh career as a professional songwriter, and I just kind of started doing this six years ago to see if it would work, and it definitely works, and I don't take any money for this.
This is my my retirement gig.
Um, but anyway, please just go look at Operation Song.
We've got so many wonderful songs on the YouTube channel.
We encourage the veterans to make videos.
There's a wonderful video of West Point Arlington, which tells the story of Andrew on there.
Uh and I'll just say, you know, go check us out on the web, and it's a real honor for me and all the songwriters that like with these veterans, the men and the women, they say come back to me and say that was probably my best day ever as a songwriter.
I wrote a song that really meant something.
Well, I appreciate all that you do, and Sean, God bless you, and uh continued best to you and and your family and also the family of uh your friend Special Forces Captain Andrew uh Peterson Keel, who lost his life in Afghanistan.
And uh Bob, thanks for what you're doing, Charlie.
Love you.
You're a family to me, and uh, we appreciate all you do always.
Thank you for having us.
We have an unbelievable Hannity tonight.
We'll tell you all about it.
That's next.
And uh a very, very, very strong, heartfelt thank you to all of the families that this Memorial Day won't be with some of their loved ones that were out protecting our freedoms.
