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April 13, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show
14:50
Morning Minute: Disagree with Love - 4.13
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This is an iHeart Podcast.
Now, in a second, I'm going to introduce you to a good friend of the program, Sally Cohn.
She's got a brand new book out.
It's called The Opposite of Hate, a field guide to repairing our humanity.
She actually mentions me a lot in the book.
Not always flattering.
Most, I'm kidding, flattering.
But here's some of the vitriol that I'm talking about.
It is a weird tension.
I think we're at a dangerous time for the First Amendment and for the free press in this country.
And at the same time, we're oddly influential with the guy who wants to kill us.
And to our detractors that insist that this march will never add up to anything.
F you.
You.
But this is the hallmark of revolution.
Yes, I'm angry.
Yes, I am outraged.
Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
You know, I had a dream the other night about that I was playing golf with Donald Trump and I was standing beside him with a club in my hand and I was, you know, considering my options when I suddenly woke up.
You know, it's one of those dreams where you want to just get back to sleep so you can finish it.
You know?
I'll put Mr. Burgess up against Sean Hannity.
He'll tear him up.
I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors.
I want you to talk to them whether they're independent or whether they are Republican.
I want you to argue with them and get in their face.
Press always ask me, don't I wish I were debating him?
No, I wish you were in high school.
I could take him behind the gym.
That's what I wish.
What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box.
And now there's the momentum to be able to do this.
This is a death panel bill because people will die.
This is deadly.
This is deadly.
You can't stand it.
I am the most honorable man I've ever seen in my life.
Your president is a dishonorable lying man.
Which enemy are you most proud of?
Probably the Republicans.
All right, Sally Cohn joins us.
That's pretty intense stuff.
The opposite of hate, a field guide on repairing our humanity.
How are you?
You look great.
You look great too.
You've been working out.
I've been working on five days a week.
Five days a week.
It's the mixed martial arts thing.
That's correct.
See, and people wonder, what the hell do you talk about talking to Sean Hannity with about except for politics?
I was like, well, we can cover mixed martial arts.
We can cover our kids.
We can cover tennis.
Well, that's the thing.
You know, we have had a personal relationship that goes back a number of years now.
We've always gotten along.
Your political views drive me insane.
Same.
I mean, yours drive me insane, not mine.
Mine, I rather like mine.
We've had some verbal knockdown drag out, but it was never personal.
Well, it shouldn't be.
And I agree.
Yeah.
And actually, at different points, I remember you did one of those five-minute or ten-minute, what do you call tours where that big tour thing where you speak out and they are.
Oh, a TED Talk.
You're talking about, this is one of those cultural divides.
I can get you invited, but moving on.
It's one of those cultural divides.
We on the left.
We don't charge for those.
They're called speeches.
I get paid to do that.
I get paid to see you do a TED Talk because I already watched Sally.
We'll have you do one together.
It's the left.
It's the left.
We don't pay for anything.
But the left loves its TED Talks.
Go on.
So all these years we disagree.
I'm watching your TED Talk and we developed a friendship.
And I would throw little ideas because I'm looking at your career and business.
And I know you work for the fake news network now, CNN.
No, no, that was back in 2010 when I worked with you.
Sorry, go on, though.
Go on.
But you did work.
But you've been on TV a lot.
And the point is, how is it that we get it right personally?
I care about your family.
I care.
You have a nine-year-old now.
I care.
I don't care about sexual orientation.
We have been friends.
And the things, like, like this book shows me how nice you are.
Oh, because you don't want to be, you don't want, you don't like fighting.
I can't believe it.
Like, all people, Sean Hannity is saying I'm not.
But listen, and I got to tell you, you know how much I'm going to take.
And I still take for being on the show, for being friends with you.
It's the number one thing people come up to ask me.
They pull me aside.
They say, no, no, no, but is Sean Hannity really nice?
Like, I can tell them the truth, right?
And the idea of, but your friends are probably horrified that I'm sitting here too, right?
Not all of them.
None of them.
Not even a little bit.
Really?
Oh, that's good.
Because we have to stop being a little bit more.
What do they think?
Do they think I'm Satan?
I mean, in some lesser, slightly lesser form, like, I don't know, Satan's cousin or something.
Is it all just politics?
They just don't agree with my politics.
Yeah, but also, here's the thing.
They don't actually know how much of your politics they agree with and don't, right?
They actually don't know.
Because they know what we all know is the sliver of what we end up arguing about on television and in the media, which, by the way, is only a sliver of who we are as people and only a sliver of our politics.
All right.
So even though we have dramatically varying political views, we can, yeah, I think it's the opposite of hate.
Well, also, I'd rather argue with you and have you listen to me.
I do listen to you.
Right.
Whereas if I call you a blankety blank, blank, blank, you're going to stop listening to me.
No, I'll probably call you a blankety blank back.
Right, exactly.
And then what, like, and then.
And nobody wins.
And nobody wins and nobody listens.
Do you, you don't like confrontation, though?
You hate it.
Well, I mean, and I have put you in some situations where you've gotten better at it.
I mean, here's the thing.
I like arguing.
I don't mind.
I love arguing passionately for my values, my identity, my beliefs.
I think that's part of what makes us great as a species, part of what makes us great as a country.
I love that.
I don't enjoy personal animosity.
It's true.
And also, by the way, I don't think it makes other people feel bad.
It makes me feel bad.
It makes me feel bad to be mean to people and to demean and dehumanize people.
But I've been in the middle of passionate debates with you, and you're fierce.
You're a great advocate for your side.
Thank you, Sean.
Which is why we want you on the air.
Listen, there's nothing more boring than putting somebody on with a point of view that, well, from my personal point of view, I think nobody wants to hear that.
Sean Hannity impersonates a liberal, ladies and gentlemen.
Well, I was doing Marlon Brown.
Oh.
They always talk about that.
They always talk about the Marlon family and the Trump crime family.
Why not the Clinton crime family?
All right, all right.
Why not the Mueller crime family?
Because she's not president.
Could have been one more vote.
But going on, what were you saying?
I'm sorry.
But you don't, why don't you like confrontation?
What do you, why?
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen, I like debate, discourse, disagreement, right?
Like, again, I think that's, I'm an opinionator and a columnist, and I believe it, and I like that.
I don't enjoy personal, I don't enjoy the politics of personal destruction.
I don't.
And by the way, and this is the same thing.
Does that exist for President Trump?
Oh, I think it, here's the challenge, right?
And we have this tendency, right and left.
We have this sort of they started it philosophy of hate, right?
So, oh, if you did it first, then all, you know, all hands are loose, whatever.
I can do it too.
And if that's true, right?
Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
So at some point, we have to say, look, I don't like it when the other side does it.
We could debate which side does it worse and whatever yours does, but I don't like which side.
I don't like, I don't care which side does it worse.
I'm responsible for myself.
I'm going to hold my own side accountable.
And I'm going to call it equally on both sides.
In the day and age of Trump, have you ever seen one president attacked more viciously than him?
Again, we could spend, we literally could.
No, no, no.
You and I could spend.
That's a simple question.
Like we could talk about how, you know, the attacks on Barack Obama, when he did, when he tried to build consensus, he was still attacked as being a socialist and a lefty, the attacks on whether he was an American, his Americanness.
We could talk about all that.
We could, no, no, no.
That was a good thing.
But the point is, however many attacks there were, whatever percentage there was, doesn't make it okay to demean and dehumanize Donald Trump as a person.
You can hate what he stands for.
You can hate what he does, but you don't attack people as people.
And you definitely don't attack the supporters.
You don't attack voters.
Don't you think there is an effort now to unseat a duly elected president?
That all of this, it's been 15 months.
And I'll ask you a simple question.
Do you have any evidence you can share with my audience of Trump-Russia collusion?
First of all, when, as last as I recalled, when Barack Obama was in office, there were, what, 18 congressional hearings spearheaded by Republicans to investigate Benghazi, each of which were Republican hearings that kept founding no evidence of wrongdoing, and then you just have another and another and another.
So unfortunately, we are at a point as a country where we spend more time trying to attack and undermine the other party than try to actually get the people's work done.
I asked you about Trump-Russia collections.
I'm answering you, dude.
I'm answering.
I'm waiting, dude.
I'm answering.
I don't think.
I actually don't think Trump is capable of collusion.
I don't think he knows enough about what's going on in his own campaign, let alone his own presidency.
But we spent a whole— But do I think members of his campaign might have been involved in— Might have, but you don't have— That's why we have investigations.
It's been going on for 16 months.
That's why we have investigations.
Did Hillary collected?
You still are talking about Hillary's email.
She's not even president.
So come on.
It doesn't matter if she's president.
It's about equal justice.
It's about equal justice under the law.
For example, same for him.
For example, if Sean Hannity had 33,000 emails.
I like when you refer to yourself.
If Sean Hannity had 33,000 emails that were under subpoena and I deleted them.
And then I acid washed my hard drive with bleach bit.
And then I took a hammer and I busted him up with a hammer, my devices.
Is that a crime?
Is that obstruction of justice?
So here's a lawyer.
Right.
No.
So that is true.
So here, although I am retired from the bar, so I want to stipulate that this is not constitute legal advice.
But listen, is that obstruction of justice?
If my side, someone on my side did it, I would say it's wrong.
And by the way, I did.
And we had the conversations about the emails.
And so the same thing, right?
When there's traces of money, when there's evidence of policy change.
My point is.
That's a crime to.
No, but I'm talking now about Trump as well, right?
You were upset about the donations the Clinton Foundation took.
Let's look about the money that Manafort took.
My point is, let's apply the same standards to everyone.
But Manafort didn't, you know, what he was charged with goes back to 2005.
He was his campaign chairman.
And if he'd been Hillary's, you'd still be talking about it even if she lost.
In 2005, and it had nothing to do with Russia.
Look, people wonder how we think we don't talk politics, and here we are, and that we're not slugging each other.
All right, we've got to take a break.
We'll come back more with Sally Cohn on the other side, Amazon.com, Hannity.com, bookstores everywhere.
And as we continue with Sally Cohn, the brand new book she's written, it's called The Opposite of Hate, a Field Guide to Repairing Our Humanity.
It's on Amazon.com, Hannity.com, bookstores everywhere.
You know, at the end of the day, there are bigger picture issues that are more important, and we kind of forget.
Right.
You know, I mean, I sometimes find myself, because I'm working so much, I'll be outside and I'll hear a bird sing and I'll feel a whiff of a breeze and I'm like, okay, I haven't felt that in a year because you're so busy working.
Right.
And then we forget that we all probably care about the birds and the air and the health of our planet and the ability to breathe in the air and write.
And like we, you know, I mean, yes, we tend to, we are in this hyper-reality TV showified moment in politics.
Is that what this is?
Right.
Where it's then taken over our media.
Where then we, you got to agree with me.
Then we even elect, we've done it so much, we elect a reality star, right?
We've got to get back to some common the ability to talk about.
Great job when he's looking.
If you look at his record and all the people back to work and the lowest level of unemployment for African Americans and Hispanic Americans, and he's keeping his promises, and we're energy independent, and we have the biggest tax cut bigger than Reagan's.
I'm pretty happy.
I think all of that's good for, you know, you see that picture over there?
That's Paul.
Yes.
See that guy on the bench in that first picture?
Oh, yeah, that one.
The Forgotten Man.
Sorry, this is Reagan.
That's what that election was about.
I agree.
But so here's the thing.
Look, we could still argue, and you know, he's very good at the same time.
We could argue, folks.
But the first thing is, I know I'm not going to debate the meager accomplishments with you.
But what I am going to say is that I think you're right.
What I think is right is that too many people in this country feel that they have been forgotten and they feel like they were shafted by the elite politicians on both sides of the aisle.
And that actually, a lot of people I know and care about too on the left, they have the same concern too.
Why do you think that's the right thing to do?
This country has stopped working for regular people.
Why do you think that we are, I would categorize us as good friends?
Why do we get along so well and other people on your side of the aisle hate me?
No, that's a fair concern.
I think that's because we've always gotten along.
But some don't.
Listen, here's the thing.
I'll be honest.
The problem is, and it does shock people, the problem is that there are, you know, from my perspective as a lefty, right?
That there are nice people on the right and there are mean people on the left.
There are also, by the way, nice people on the left and mean people on the right.
Totally agree.
I want to associate with nice people.
And by the way, I want to encourage them to be even nicer.
So how do I want you to be really nice?
How do we get along really well?
And how come other people that have opposing views don't get along as well as we do?
Because we don't take it personally.
Well, because we're not making it personal.
I mean, if you wanted to, in about five seconds, you could make it personal.
Right?
I don't think.
But you could.
You know what a problem?
And probably both of us have at other times in different debates and different moments.
You know what a problem I have with people that are on the left if I get to know them and like them.
I literally, it disarms me.
It's so unfair.
And that's the other thing: what people don't realize is somebody I don't know.
Guys, he's kind of a teddy bear.
Oh, that's not true.
Oh, my God.
The whole studio is laughing because they know it's true.
He doesn't want you to know that, America.
I'm not a teddy bear.
He's a nice guy.
What's wrong with these?
Breaking news now.
All the wise ass in there.
Go ahead with breaking news now.
Hannity's an okay guy.
Listen, the book is phenomenal.
What we're doing is we're putting it up on Hannity.com and Amazon.com.
It's in bookstores everywhere.
You blurbed it.
I did blurb it.
I said, Sally and I agree on very little politically, but somehow, in spite of that, we've navigated a friendship that transcends everything else.
This book explains it all.
It really does.
And you know what?
This is one of those books where you need to stand back and say, okay, yeah, we can still get along.
And great work on you.
It speaks to the person you are and the heart you have.
So love having you on the program.
You're always welcome.
Good to see you.
Really nice to see you.
Have a good book tour.
Thank you.
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