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April 13, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show
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Morning Minute: Disagree with Love - 4.13
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This is an iHeart Podcast.
Now, in a second, I'm gonna introduce you to a good friend of the program, Sally Cohn.
She's got a brand new book out.
It's called The Opposite of Hate, a Field Guide to Repairing Our Humanity.
Not always flattering.
Most, I'm kidding, flattering.
But here's some of the vitriol that I'm talking about.
It's a it is a weird tension.
I think with a dangerous time for the First Amendment and for the free press in this country.
And at the same time, we're oddly influential with a guy who wants to kill us.
And to our detractors that insist that this march will never add up to anything.
You but this is the hallmark of revolution.
Yes, I'm angry.
Yes, I am outraged.
Yes.
I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
You know, I had a dream the other night about that I was playing golf with Donald Trump and I was standing beside him with a club in my hand, and I was, you know, considering my options when I suddenly woke up.
You know, it's one of those dreams where you want to just get back to sleep so you can finish it.
You know?
But I'll put Mr. Burgess up against uh Sean Hannity.
He'll turn them up.
I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors.
I want you to talk to them, whether they're independent or whether they are Republican.
I want you to argue with them and get in their faces.
Press always ask me, don't I wish I were debating him?
No, I wish you're in high school.
I could take him behind the gym.
That's what I wish.
What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box.
And now there's the momentum to be able to do this.
This is a death panel bill because people will die.
This is deadly.
This is deadly.
You can't stand it.
I am the only man I've ever seen.
Your president is a dishonorable lying man.
Which enemy are you most proud of?
Probably the Republicans.
All right, Sally Cohn joins us.
That's pretty intense stuff.
The opposite of hate, a field guide on repairing our humanity.
Uh how are you?
You look great you look great too.
You've been working out.
I've been working on five days a week.
I'd actually show five days a week.
It's the mixed martial arts thing.
That's correct.
See, and people wonder what the hell do you talk about Sean Hannity Sean Hannity with about except for politics.
I was like, well, we can cover mixed martial arts, we can cover our kids, we can cover tennis.
Well, that's the thing.
You know, you we have had a personal relationship that goes back a number of years now.
We've always gotten along.
I uh uh your political views drive me insane.
Same.
I mean yours drive me insane, not mine.
Mine, I I rather like mine.
We've had some verbal knockdown drag out, but it was never personal.
Well, it shouldn't be.
It and I agree.
Yeah.
And actually, at different points, I remember you did one of those those five-minute or ten minute, what do you call tours where with that big tour thing where you speak out and they are?
Oh, a TED talk.
A TED Talking about thing.
I've never seen it.
This is one of those cultural divides.
I can get you invited, but but but moving on.
It's one of those cultural divides.
We on the left.
By the way, I don't really charge for those, they're called speeches.
I get paid to do those.
We'll have you do one together because it's the left.
It's the left.
We don't pay for anything.
Um but uh the left loves its TED Talks.
Go on.
So we so all these years we disagree.
I'm watching your TED talk, and and we developed a friendship, and I would throw little ideas because I I'm looking at your career and business, and I know you work for the fake news network now, CNN.
No, no, that was back in 2010 when I worked with you.
Sorry, go on though.
Go on.
Um but you did work, but you've been on TV a lot.
And the point is, how do how is it that we get it right personally?
I care about your family.
I care you have uh a nine-year-old now.
I care, I don't care about sexual orientation.
We've been friends, and the things like this book shows me how nice you are.
Oh because you don't want to be you you don't want you don't like fighting.
I can't believe it's a lot of people.
Sean Hannity is saying I'm not But listen, and and I gotta tell you, you know how much I'm gonna take.
I and I still be on the show.
I still take for being on the show for being friends with you.
It's the number one thing people come up to me, ask me.
They pull me aside, they say, No, no, no, but is Sean Hannity really nice?
Like I can tell them the truth, right?
And the idea of what are the things that we're gonna do.
So we disagree, but like we but the your your friends are probably horrified that I'm sitting here too, right?
Not all of not enough.
Not even not even a little bit.
Really?
Oh, it's good.
Because we have to stop dealing with it.
Do they think I'm Satan?
I mean, probab I in in some lesser, slightly lesser form, like I don't know, Satan's cousin or something, maybe.
Is it because is it all just politics?
They just don't agree with my politics.
Yeah.
But also here's the thing.
They don't actually know how much of your politics they agree with and don't, right?
That's a good point.
They actually don't know.
Because they know what we all know is the sliver of what we end up arguing about on television and in the media, which by the way is only a a sliver of who we are as people and only a sliver of our politics.
All right.
So even though we have dram dramatically varying political views, we can Yeah, I think it's the opposite of hate.
Well, also I'd rather argue with you and have you listen to me.
I do listen to me.
Whereas if I call you a blankety blank blank blank, you're gonna stop listening to me.
No, I'll probably call you a blankety blank back.
Right, exactly.
And then what like and then nobody wins.
Nobody wins and nobody listens.
Do you you don't like confrontation though?
You hate it.
Well, I mean and I have put you in some situations where you've gotten better at it.
I mean, here's the thing.
I I I like arguing.
I don't mind I love arguing passionately for my values, my identity, my beliefs.
I think that's part of what makes us great as a species, part of what makes us great as a country.
Right.
I love that.
Yeah.
I don't enjoy personal animosity, it's true.
And also, by the way, I don't I don't think it makes other people feel good.
It makes me feel bad.
It makes me feel bad to be mean to people and to demean and dehumanize people.
See, but but I'm bad.
But I've been in the middle of passionate debates with you, and you're you're fierce.
You're you're a you're a great advocate for your side.
Thank you, Sean.
Which is why we want you on the air.
Um listen, there's nothing more boring than putting somebody on with a point of view that, well, from my personal point of view, I think that's nobody wants to hear about it.
Sean Hannity impersonates a liberal, ladies and gentlemen.
Well, I was doing Marlon Brand.
Oh.
Ugh.
They always talk about the Corleona family.
And the Trump crime family.
Uh why not the Clinton crime family?
All right, all right.
Why not the Mueller crime family?
Because she's not president.
Could have been one more votes.
But going on, what were you saying?
I'm sorry.
I but the but the you don't why don't you like confrontation?
What do you why?
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I I listen, I like debate discourse, disagreement, right?
Like again, I think that's I'm in I I'm a opinionator and a columnist and I believe in it and I like that.
Um I don't enjoy personal I don't enjoy the politics of personal destruction.
I don't.
And by the way, and this is a very important thing to do.
Does that exist for President Trump?
Is there oh it come I think it here's the challenge, right?
And we have this tendency, right and left.
We have this sort of uh they started it philosophy of hate, right?
So, oh, if you did it first, then all you know, all hands are loose, whatever, I can do it too.
And if that's true, right, eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
So at some point, we have to say, look, I don't like it when the other side does it.
We could debate which side does it worse and whatever yours does, but it I don't like which side, I don't like, I don't care which side does it worse.
I'm responsible for myself.
I'm gonna hold my own side accountable.
In the And I'm gonna call it equally on both sides.
In the day and age of Trump, have you ever seen one president attacked more viciously than him?
Again, we could spend we literally could.
No, no, no, you and I could spend a simple question.
But like we could talk about how, you know, the attacks on Barack Obama when he did when he tried to build consensus, he was still attacked as being a socialist and a lefty, the attacks on whether he was an American, his American-ness.
We could talk about all that.
We could No, no, no.
That was my thing.
But the point is, however many attacks there were, whatever percentage there was, doesn't make it okay to demean and dehumanize Donald Trump as a person.
You can hate what he stands for, you can hate what he does, but you don't attack people as people and you definitely don't attack the supporters.
You don't attack voters.
Don't you think that's that's not true?
There is an effort now to unseat a duly elected president.
That all of this, it's been 15 months.
And I'll ask you a simple question.
Is do you have any evidence you can share with my audience of Trump Russia collusion?
First of all, um when, as last as I recalled, uh when Barack Obama was in office, there were what, eighteen congressional hearings spearheaded by Republicans to investigate Benghazi, each of which were Republican hearings that keep fo kept founding no evidence of wrongdoing, and then you just have another and another and another.
So unfortunately, we are at a point as a country where we spend more time trying to attack and undermine the other party than try to actually get the people's work done.
I asked you about Trump Russia community.
I'm answering you, dude.
I'm answering it.
I'm answering.
I don't think I actually don't think Trump is capable of coalition.
I don't think he knows enough about what's going on in his own campaign, let alone his own presidency.
But we spent a whole But do I think members of his campaign might have been involved in the right.
But you don't have to do that.
That's why we have investigations.
It's been going on for sixteen months.
That's why we have investigations.
Did Hillary call it?
You still are talking about Hillary's email.
She's not even president, so come on.
It doesn't matter if she's president.
It's about equal justice.
It's about equal justice under the law.
For example.
Same for him.
For example, if Sean Hannity had 33,000.
I like when you refer to your Sean Hannity had 33,000 emails that were under subpoena and I deleted them.
And then I acidwash my hard drive with bleach bit, and then I took a hammer and I busted him up with a hammer, my devices.
Is that a crime?
Is that obstruction of justice?
So here's the thing.
You're also a lawyer.
Right.
No.
So that is true.
So here uh although I am retired from the bar, so I want to st uh stipulate that this is not uh constitute legal advice.
But listen, my side, someone on my side did it, I would say it's wrong.
And by the way, I did, and you we had the conversations about the emails.
And so the same thing, right?
When there's traces of money, when there's evidence of policy change.
My point is.
That's a crime too.
No, but I'm talking now about Trump as well, right?
You were upset about the donations the Clinton Foundation took.
Let's look about the money that Manafort took.
My point is let's apply the same standards to everyone.
But Manafort didn't, you know, the cr what he was charged with goes back to 2005.
He was his campaign chairman.
And if he'd been Hillary's and if he'd been Hillary's, you'd still be talking about it even if you're not sure.
In 2005, and it had nothing to do with Russia.
Look.
See, people wonder how we think we don't talk politics, and here we are, and that we're not slugging each other.
All right, we gotta take a break.
We'll come back more with Sally Cohn on the other side Amazon.com, Hannity.com, bookstores everywhere.
And as we continue with Sally Cohn, the uh brand new book she's written.
It's called The Opposite of Hate, a Field Guide to Repairing Our Humanity.
It's on Amazon.com, Hannity.com, bookstores everywhere.
You know, at the end of the day, there are bigger picture issues that are more important, and we kind of forget.
Right.
You know, I mean, I I sometimes find myself because I'm working so much, I'll be outside and I'll hear a bird sing, and I'll feel a whiff of a breeze, and I'm like, okay, I haven't felt that in a year because you're so busy working.
Right.
Well, and and uh and then we forget that we all probably care about the birds and the air and the health of our, you know, planet and the ability to breathe in the air and write and like we like you know, I mean, yes, we tend to, we are in this hyper reality TV show-ified moment in politics.
Is that what this is?
Right, where it's then taken over our media, where then we you gotta agree with me.
Then we even elect we've done it so much we elect a reality star, right?
We gotta get back to some common uh the ability to talk to you.
If you look at his record and all the people back to work and the lowest level of unemployment for African Americans and Hispanic Americans, and uh he's keeping his promises and we're energy independent and uh we have the biggest tax cut bigger than Reagan's, I'm pretty happy.
I think all of that's good for the you see that picture over there?
That's called Yes.
See that guy on the bench in that first picture.
Oh, yeah, that one.
The forgotten man.
Sorry, this is really election was about.
I agree.
But so here's the thing.
Look, I we could we could still argue, and you know, it's he's very good at the argument, folks.
But the first thing is I know I'm not gonna debate the uh the meager accomplishments of Trump with you, but what I am gonna say is that I think you're right.
What I think is right is that too many people in this country feel that they have been forgotten and they feel like they were shafted by both by the elite politicians on both sides of the aisle.
And that actually a lot of people I know and care about too on the left, they have the same concern too.
Why this country has stopped working for regular people?
Why do you think that we are I would categorize us as good friends?
Why do we get along so well and other people on your side of the aisle hate me?
No, I'm that's a fair I think that's because you we've always gotten along.
But some don't.
Listen, here's the thing.
I'll be honest.
The problem is, and it does shock people.
The problem is is that there are, you know, from my perspective as a lefty, right?
That there are nice people on the right, and there are mean people on the left.
There are also, by the way, nice people on the left and mean people on the right.
Totally agree.
I want to associate with nice people.
And by the way, I want to encourage them to be even nicer.
So how do we get along really well?
And how come other people that have opposing views don't get along as well as we do?
Because we don't take it personally.
Well, because we're not making it personal.
I mean, if you wanted to in about five seconds, you could make it personal.
Right?
I don't think.
You know what a problem.
And probably both of us have at other times in different debates and different moments.
You know what a problem I have with people that are on the left.
If I get to know them and like them, I I I literally it it disarms me.
I yeah.
It's so unfair.
And that's the other thing is people what people don't realize is like much easier to beat up person somebody I don't know.
Guys, he's kind of a teddy bear.
I'm oh, that's not true.
Oh my god.
The whole studio is laughing because they know it's true.
He doesn't want you to know that, America.
I'm not a teddy bear.
What's wrong with being nice?
All the wise ass in there.
Go ahead with the breaking news now.
Hannity's an okay guy.
Uh listen, the book is phenomenal.
What we're doing is we're putting it up on uh Hannity.com.
Thanks, Sean.
And uh Amazon.com.
It's in bookstores everywhere.
You blurbed it.
I did blurb it.
I said Sally and I agree on very little politically, but somehow, in spite of that, we've navigated a friendship that transcends everything else.
This book explains it all.
It really does.
And you know what?
This is a this is one of those books where you need to stand back and say, okay, yeah, we can still get along.
And uh great work on you.
It speaks from you it speaks to the person you are and the heart you have.
So love having you on the program.
You're always welcome.
Good to see you.
Really nice to see you.
Have a good book tour.
Thank you.
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