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I know you're angry.
I know you're frustrated.
I know you're annoyed.
I know you feel betrayed.
I feel exactly the same way that you do.
I am not giving up, and it's, you know, certain things in life that you're gonna just have to fight for.
And you know, it's it's something that we shouldn't have to fight for because promises were made to us.
And um it it just is what it is.
I mean, you know, look, in all of life, you're gonna face trials, tribulations, obstacles, difficulties, things that you don't want to have to face.
You know, in unfortunately, we've just got to pound our way through these things.
And I got to give the president credit.
He's now been meeting with the senators, I guess, twice now, and they just finished a meeting, and out of the meeting, they're gonna have this vote next week, a repeal vote.
And what I took out of McConnell, and he was there with John Thune and Senator Corner, and what I took out of his comments was oh, we're gonna offer amendments, and let me interpret that in Washington speak.
Oh, we'll try and bribe the four senators that told us they wanted to repeal it, but now have gone backwards.
Now it's that this is where the frustration comes down to for me.
I actually my heart believe that this is working out better.
Having a full repeal, and and this was Rand Paul's idea a long time ago, and he was on the program.
I said, Yeah, I support that idea 100%, but it's just when we saw in the House that uh a hundred of the the House Republicans had no intention of a real repeal and replace.
I think now the pressure is gonna be so massive that they're gonna have to do it because they will lose their jobs in 2018.
And I will name names and we will name names on this program, and we will make sure that you have the ability to you will know full well every single person that promised to repeal Obamacare and then doesn't support it.
And so it comes down to you got these four senators, and we're gonna play them for you.
Lisa Murkowski from Alaska.
Let's let's go one at a time.
You know, look Lisa McKowski, this is when was this said?
This was May of 2017.
Murkowski's committed to repealing Obamacare.
Cut two.
Listen to this.
Want to share with you today where I am at on health care reform.
First off, I remain committed to repealing the Affordable Care Act.
And in Alaska, we are down to to one provider in the individual market.
The state has been forced to spend its extremely limited uh general fund dollars to stabilize that market, even as our premiums are are still rising.
So you've got rising premiums.
We've spent a lot as a state to attempt to stabilize and and we we have just one uh provider on the individual market.
Okay, Lisa Murkowski, will you please explain to me why it is you supported that then?
And how many of how many of these senators, Linda?
We looked at it up this morning and I forgot off the top of my head.
How many of them?
Three of the four voted to repeal it.
Yeah, everybody.
everybody but Collins.
Collins did not vote to repeal in 2015.
Okay.
So everybody but Susan Collins vote, but we have Susan Collins on record saying she'd repeal Obamacare.
In 2013.
And right.
This is I thought let's go to Susan Collins next.
We'll go out of order here.
This is her in November of 2013.
Let's play the longer cut saying she will repeal Obamacare.
Mr. President, thousands of Mainers are receiving notices that their health insurance is being canceled due to Obamacare.
This past weekend I talked with Mark Pendergast, the owner of a small landscaping company, who just found out that the premiums for his small business plan will jump by 54% next year due to Obamacare.
He can't pay bad and stay competitive.
And his workers can't afford it either.
Their share of the premium will go up by $740 next year.
One of the major reasons that I strongly oppose the Affordable Health Care Act was that there was nothing affordable about it.
I predicted it would lead to fewer choices and higher insurance costs for middle-income families and small businesses.
Congress must work together to address the very real health care concerns of the American people and the budget realities we face.
Repealing Obamacare's poorly crafted and misguided mandates and replacing the law with a fiscally responsible reform bill that contains costs and provides more choices is the best path forward.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Oh, thank you, Mr. President.
So there you have it.
All right, so now we got Lisa Murkowski.
Then you got Susan Collins, all committed.
Now, Susan Collins didn't vote for repeal in 2015, but well, Lisa Murkowski did, and Rob Portman did, and Shelley Moore uh Capito did.
You know, let's listen to Shelley Moore.
Let's listen to what she says about repealing Obamacare.
Later this week, the Senate will consider a bill to repeal Obamacare, a costly disaster that four years later, six, five years later, we see has cost countless people uh access to their doctor, access to their health care plan of their choice, and the thousands of West Virginians from my state who have lost or had to change their coverage.
We ought to ask individuals and families whose premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed, and the small businesses who have been forced to cut ours and employees.
Americans deserve a health care system that works for them.
And we know that Obamacare is not it.
There is a better way.
Oh, there is a better way.
Repealing Obamacare.
Rob Portman, what a disappointment in Rob Portman.
All right, listen to what he says.
In 2010, I don't think that many of my Democratic friends thought they were voting for a bill that would kill jobs.
I really don't.
I don't think they would have voted for it.
I can't believe that they thought that Obamacare would drive up premium costs and make health care harder to get, as it has.
But that is what's happening.
And that's why I believe it needs to be repealed and replaced.
Today here in the United States Senate and tomorrow, as we debate this and vote on it, we've got a chance to move the ball forward and show people that at least a majority here in the United States Congress agree we ought to address this issue.
This vote will show that there are some here in Congress who are listening and have some answers.
Our job is to do what's right.
And that's to pass this legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare to give us a chance to get rid of some of the most detrimental aspects of it that are eliminating jobs that are pushing health care costs higher and higher.
Oh, yeah.
Well, they've gone higher and higher.
Now, I'm not sure how this is.
I'm going to tell you what I predict is going to happen.
And this is very key.
I'm going to predict that they're going to have the motion uh on the floor of the Senate next week, and they're going to push to get this done.
And then what they're going to do Is what Congress always does and will frustrate the living hell out of all of us.
Then they're going to start bribing those few senators they need to get this thing over the finish line.
I'm just, I'm just telling you.
Then they're going to bulk it up with extra spending that is unnecessary and blow the budget out on it to get it done.
With that said, let's see how bad it is, and let's see in the end if we can support it.
Here's the problem.
You know, Washington doesn't work the way all of you go about your daily life.
You know, there's a reason on this program.
We have been talking to Dr. Josh Umber since 2012.
Do you really?
That's five years we have been trying to show, and we know Washington listens to this program and watches Hannity.
For five years, we have tried to tell them for $50 a month, you get unlimited concierge care, a doctor on call 24-7, you have his cell phone number.
Everything is included in the $50 a month that Dr. Umber negotiates directly with the pharmaceutical company.
So if you walk out of his office and you have high blood pressure, your medicine goes with you at a 95%, 98% discount.
If you have a cholesterol issue, you walk out with your medicine and you go back to the office to get the medicine, or they just mail it to you, which is a smart thing to do.
That includes stitches, that includes broken bones, that includes x-rays and procedures, and it's all 50 bucks a month.
Now that is concierge care for the men and women in this country that make the country great.
And he's been able to duplicate his model, his specific model.
I think they've they've done over 300, 400 practices around the country, and then other people have come up with the same innovation.
It's not brain surgery.
If you have kids, it's only 10 bucks a month, and then a 98% discount if they have an ear infection for the bubblegum medicine that they have to take, and then you get a free follow-up visit, and that's all included in your $10 a month for your child.
I mean, it's crazy.
Now you couple that with catastrophic care.
Catastrophic care under Obamacare is illegal.
Can you imagine?
Catastrophic care is what every 20 and 30 year old needs.
It incentivizes a checkup a year.
You have the higher the deductible, then the less the premium is every month.
If you can afford, say, a $10,000 deductible, you're going to pay less.
But that's catastrophic care.
That's what insurance is.
If you have the bad accident, if you have a heart attack at a young age, which very few people do, if you have cancer, God forbid, then you're covered.
Everything's going to be covered once you pay the initial deductible.
That's what insurance is all about.
You know, what if you if you have insurance on your car, it's if you have an accident.
And then if you have insurance, let's say you don't necessarily have to have insurance on your particular vehicle, but if you have insurance on your vehicle, then you hand it over to the insurance company and say, give me a new one.
And that's how it usually works out.
Or they'll give you a settlement offer depending on the age of your car.
And that's what insurance is for.
And that's how insurance works.
And so the most frustrating thing in all of this is all of these years, give us the House, give us the Senate, give us the White House, and we're going to repeal and replace Obamacare.
You know, all of these same people promise this.
Now, I don't know.
I mean, none of us are perfect.
We've all sinned.
We've all fallen short of the glory of God.
I got it.
But this is such a big promise.
I can't understand why this is not rock solid deal done, and it should have been done in January when Donald Trump became the president, and it could have been done.
And then when you look at the history, and you've got since 2011, the Republican-controlled House voted 60 to 68 times to repeal and delay or defund parts of Obamacare.
Well, where's the action now?
So those were show votes to make us think that they were going to do something they never had any intention to do.
Well, that's called bait and switch.
That's called fraud.
Now it's the moment of truth.
Now it matters.
And if Republicans want to be successful in 2018, you know, I keep telling you this is one of the four big things they need done.
They need at least two, three hundred miles of the border wall built.
They need Obamacare repealed and beginning the transition to replacement.
There needs to be an energy revolution where millions of high-paying career jobs take place.
And then, of course, we need the president's economic plan.
Not that hard.
What's the president's economic plan?
The president's economic plan is okay, middle class tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, repatriation, energy independence, and we get the economy moving again.
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All right, so Senator Ted Cruz was in the meeting with the president.
He's going to join us at the bottom of this half hour.
We'll get a flavor for what was discussed.
And as he's been saying, failure is not an option here.
So we'll see what he's saying and what what that means.
But, you know, I got to tell you something.
One of the things that Senator Cruz did, it's the same thing that the Freedom Caucus did in the House is they actually very smartly figured out okay, the American people are being burdened with higher and higher premiums and less coverage.
How do we lower premiums for the American people?
And if you can lower premiums and create competition, and you've create free market competition, then you're gonna end up with better services because you have more companies competing for your health care dollars.
It's not any more complicated than that.
All right, I see that Jamie Dupree wrote me, he's updating me on healthcare.
Said bottom line is GOP health care plan not dead, flurry of talks underway on Capitol Hill to come up with a plan that can get the needed votes for Senator approval.
Group of senators are meeting tonight.
If they can revive a plan to repeal replace, oh, good grief, these people are frustrating.
I'd rather just repeal the thing and let's go from there.
GOP leaders say there will be a vote next week to start debate on the health care on the Senate floor.
Motion to proceed.
The idea of repeal only and then wait to replace is now Lamar Alexander said he thought it might not get 40 votes.
Well, who are the other people?
Oh, good grief.
This is so frustrating.
This is so there's so pathetic, these people.
You know, it's not an option here.
It's just not an option.
After all these years, this is the position we find ourselves in.
It's what's today's date?
It's July 19th.
And now we're now we're still fighting for the number one promise they made for seven years.
You know, I keep saying I like my idea.
I want the I want these people in a room together.
I want to take away their air conditioning.
I really do.
I want to our founders and framers didn't have air conditioning.
You know what?
Put them in a room, throw their phones away so they can't be leaking the whole time they're in there.
I'll I'll send some beer and pizza and Wendy's and hamburgers and KFC, I'll send it all in.
We'll send in Coke and Sprite, water, and sit there and let them sweat until they and put up on the on a big blackboard promises made to the American people and serving the American people.
And you know what?
If they can't get it done at that point, then get a new leader.
Find somebody and keep them in the room and don't let them out.
Maybe give him one-minute bathroom break every six hours.
Take a quick break.
We'll come back 800.
Senator Ted Cruz, when we get back as we continue Sean Hannity Show.
All right, 25 till the top of the hour.
800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, Senator Ted Cruz has been doing some pretty amazing work.
I mean, all throughout the healthcare debate in the House, he was working arm in arm with the Freedom Caucus guys.
And he's been working, you know, there's certain People that have a sense of urgency, certain people that roll up their sleeves, certain people that actually get things done.
And all throughout, you know, the time I spent I can't tell you how many hours.
I remember the day that it failed in the House, and I talked to Mark Meadows that Friday, and he was going home and he was depressed and he's upset.
And I said, Well, stop.
You just now you roll up your sleeves, you dig in harder.
And God bless Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan, and then they were working very closely with Senator Cruz and a few others in the Senate, and they got it done.
It wasn't perfect, but it was far better than what we have.
And it was focused on premium reduction, which is what Senator Cruz, the exact thing that he was able to pull off in the Senate, which was a great addition.
By the way, Senator Cruz is with us now.
Hey, Senator, how are you?
Sean, good afternoon.
Good to be with you.
Don't you like when you're listening on the line and I'm saying something nice about a politician and it happens to be you?
Well, well, it it's not a good one.
Well, it's true, by the way.
It's 100% true.
All right.
So here's what I want to ask you.
Um, let's go through.
There was a really really good study, and I thought it was very well deserved because I know the amount of time and effort that you put into this, and it was in the Washington Examiner.
Yeah.
And uh it was a health and human services analysis, finding that your amendment lowered premiums, boosted enrollment, and offered better care.
Uh the that that's exactly right.
So HHS studied the consumer freedom amendment and had to assess what the impact would be, and and they compared it to Obamacare.
And and the differences are striking.
What they found is that the Consumer Freedom Amendment, which is the amendment I drafted that says you, the consumer, should have the freedom to choose the insurance you want to purchase what you want.
It shouldn't be the federal government mandating what you have to buy.
You should be able to decide what you and your family need.
And and the way it works is it it if people want to buy plans that are subject to all the Obamacare mandates, they can.
There'll still be those plans on the market, but they could also buy additional plans that meet their families' needs.
And what HHS found is the consumer freedom amendment increases enrollment by 2.2 million people in the year 2024.
Obamacare, the baseline is projected to be 13.9 million, with the consumer freedom amendment, 13.9 rises to 16.1 million people in the individual market.
That's an increase of 2.2 million people that are additionally getting health insurance.
But not only that, the impact on premiums is dramatic.
So HHS projects that under Obamacare, the average premium per person per month will be $845.
Under the Consumer Freedom Amendment, the average premiums for plans with the Obamacare mandates drops from 845 down to $380, which is a decrease of $5,580 a year.
And even more incredibly, the freedom plans, the plans that are outside of the mandates, those drop to $240 a month from $845 to $240.
How do you pull this off?
That saves people over $7,000 a year, $7,260 a year.
It is a $22% decrease in premiums, which is a win win for everyone.
That is a phenomenal.
You know, one of the things for all these years, Senator, I've had this guy, he's going to be on at the top of the next hour, Dr. Josh Umber.
I don't know if you've ever seen him or heard him on my radio show or seen him on TV, but this guy's amazing.
You know, for $50 a month, you get unlimited care, and he negotiates directly with pharmaceutical companies, and that he gets a ninety-six percent reduction, and then he offers kids at ten bucks a month, and if you add a catastrophic plan to it with a reasonably a medium high deductible of five thousand dollars or so, that covers accidents, cancer, and a heart attack.
You're totally covered for like $150, $200 a month.
And it's like, what where is government thinking through the process of what you went through?
What I know that guys like Jim Jordan and and Mark Meadows work with you on in the House bill, and what guys like Dr. Josh Umber are doing.
Well, it it's basic free market principles.
It's economics one oh one that if you want lower prices, you want more choices, more competition.
If you want higher prices, you want fewer choices and less competition.
And that's what Obamacare does.
It it allows fewer choices, which has caused premiums to skyrocket.
The average family's premiums under Obamacare have risen over five thousand dollars a year.
And y you know, one way of uh analyzing it, it would be like the federal government mandating that the only cars that can be sold in America are fully loaded Cadillacs.
And and that lets politicians say, see, everyone gets a fully loaded Cadillac.
Well, that's great if you if you have the money to buy a Cadillac, but if if if you don't happen to have the resources to do that, you know, you might be happy getting your little VW bug, which maybe it's not a fancy Cadillac, but it'll get you to work and back.
Hey, Senator, I bought two hundred dollar vans and three hundred dollar Ford Mavericks, and I fixed them myself because I had no money.
I know exactly what you mean.
And by the way, I was happy to have a car that works.
Sure, and and and let people let people have choice and freedom.
That's how the marketplace works.
And and the the fundamental flaw behind Obamacare is is the federal government telling you, Sean, you don't get to pick your health insurance.
We're gonna tell you the only options you can get, and and we're gonna drive up the costs in the process.
That that doesn't work, and and and it's why so many people are hurting under Obamacare.
And what and even got worse than that, because we were taking young people, and as if we haven't stolen enough money for future generations, and you're forcing them to buy plans they never wanted, never needed, instead of like a catastrophic plan.
Yep.
And which is illegal under Obamacare, which is unbelievable, and then they were subsidizing the the poor and the uninsured and the elderly, which is not their job.
You are exactly right.
No one was more hammered under Obamacare than young people, and it jacks up their premiums, sometimes doubles or triples their premiums, not to care for their health care, but to use them to cross-subsidize other people.
And and it's really unfair to young people.
The consumer freedom amendment solves that.
And and the consumer freedom amendment is in the current draft of the Senate bill.
In addition, there's another amendment I drafted, which is allowing people to use health savings accounts to pay insurance premiums.
I love that.
That's illegal right now.
What that means is immediately for millions millions of Americans, that is an effective reduction in your premiums of of twenty to thirty percent, depending on whatever your marginal tax rate is, you can pay your premiums with pre-tax dollars.
That's immediate bang for the buck right in the get go, and that is in the bill right now.
It's the provision I drafted.
Those two together really have an impact helping people be able to afford the health insurance that you and your family want and need.
Senator, I read years ago, patient power, uh Musgrave and Goodman out of the Cato Institute.
I have been preaching this for years.
It it's refreshing.
Um let me ask you this.
Is is the repeal only dead because of these four senators?
Um Capito and Murkowski and Portman and Collins.
Is that is it dead?
Are you now back to negotiating the other deal?
And do you think I was surprised Mike Lee, I know he's a friend of yours.
I was surprised he bailed out because of your provision.
Yeah, uh you know, look, I I continue to believe we can get this done.
Uh we all just left having lunch with the president at the White House, and and Well, I want to ask you about that too.
Well, how did that go?
It was a very good lunch.
Uh, the president hosted it, the vice president was there, the Secretary of HHS Tom Price was there, and you had all or virtually all of the Republican senators were there.
Uh and it was a good two, two and a half hour discussion that was that was meaty, it was substantive.
And and I think we're making real progress.
That that we're moving towards coming to agreement.
It's not easy to bring together fifty out of fifty-two Republicans.
There's some wide, wide differences uh in the conference.
Uh but I believe we can get it done, and I I think it was helpful for the president to host that and really to urge everyone to come together and get it done.
And and I think the key to unity, to unifying the Republican conference, to bringing together conservatives and moderates and everyone on the same page, is focusing like a laser on reducing premiums because that's a win for everybody and so that's that's what I've been trying to do is really focus everyone's attention and on lowering premiums and I think we're making real progress in that regard.
I watched your interview on Fox immediately after the White House meeting today and you said what I've been saying in that failure is not an option.
Yep.
And I I you know look I could tell you right now the the anger in my audience is beyond palpable and for good reason.
And the argument is and by the and you were right you know we learned a lot in twenty thirteen and I remember I supported you you went to the Senate floor and you rightly said we have constitutional authority and power it's the power of the purse and instead of the sixty eight votes that they had since twenty eleven to repeal, defund and do this and do that.
It was all show votes and we learned that when the House was debating there were like a hundred Republicans that never had any intention of keeping that promise because when it meant something they did nothing and then you were excoriated for saying we can get it done now.
Right.
And you became the bad guy and then they started predicting oh look what Ted Cruz if we lose in twenty fourteen it's his fault but yet it in reality you were the only principal person saying well I'm w I'm here to keep my promise.
Well and not only did we not lose in twenty fourteen we won big in twenty fourteen we retired nine Democratic senators retired Harry Reid as majority leader and took the Senate and then we won big in twenty sixteen and front and center in those elections was the promise to repeal Obamacare.
I think we have to honor that promise and and if we fail to do it having the White House and both houses of Congress I I think it every one of us will look like fools and and and I don't want that to happen.
I am working night and day to try to bring republic together let's honor our promise.
You know and you may not even know this but in when the House hit the same road bump or that you're hitting I spent a lot of time on the phone with the Freedom Caucus guys and I it there were nights I was talking to them at one two in the morning and they were talking to you on the other line at one and two in the morning and you're not even a member of the House but what you were trying to do is get a bill that would also work in the Senate so that that you wouldn't get to conference and have it blow up there.
Right.
And and the Freedom Caucus did a terrific job of the House the leaders Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan are good principled guys, they're good friends and and and they improve the bill in the House and I think the bill has improved significantly in the Senate adding the consumer freedom amendment and HSA's for premiums both of those are major provisions that lower the lower premiums and that's a big win.
Does that bring Mike Lee back on board?
Does this bring Rand Paul on board?
Does this bring Susan Collins and Portman and Markowski and Capito on board?
You know from from everything I've seen Rand Paul and Susan Collins I I I think are going to be no's uh almost regardless what we do.
Well that's it.
We don't have any more margin for her.
So if we lose those two votes, we can't lose anybody else.
I am hopeful.
I know Mike Lee wants to support the bill.
He and I have worked very closely on this.
You want me to call him and start yelling at him and beat him up?
Oh look Mike I'm talking about I like Mike Lee I'm just kidding.
I mean I'm you want me to start yelling at him?
No no no no look look my Mike's disagreement is is with one aspect of the consumer freedom amendment which is which is a concession that I had to make to get it into the bill which is to require that that plans on the exchanges and freedom plans all be in the same risk pool.
And and he points out that that that ends up not reducing premiums for the freedom plans as much as as we could and that's right I agree with him I'd rather it with two risk pools.
That's how I drafted it initially but with the single risk pool we end up saving people with freedom plans $7,260 a year a massive saving and going to two risk pools saves an additional six six hundred dollars.
So it takes it from seventy two hundred to seventy eight hundred that's good.
You know I I I I think Mike is tr is working productively and trying to get to yes and I think he has from the beginning on the program and I'll yell at him although he doesn't take my calls like he used to but all right let me ask you the one final question.
So you're up for reelection in 2018, right?
I am does my endorsement help you or hurt you absolutely absolutely look you I enthusiastically endorse you for re-election.
We need you in the Senate we really do I mean You have been a leader and a principled conservative all these years.
I know people thought we went sideways during the election.
We did not.
I've always loved Ted Cruz.
And I would tell people all the time, and it frustrated me to no end.
But you know, honestly, if we don't have people like you in the Senate, we're we're dead.
We really need you.
Well, Sean, Sean, thank you.
And you know, you endorsed me early in the primary when I first ran for Senate in 2012, and I'm grateful for your friendship and the government.
Well, I'll come down and do anything you need because if we don't have Ted Cruz's in the Senate, we're just we're we're done.
Well I are.
I appreciate it very much.
And and if your listeners agree, our our website is TedCruz.org, Ted Cruz.org, Ted Cruz.org.
All right, Senator, it's always a pleasure.
Thank you for being with us, and thanks for what you're doing on this.
We've got to get it done.
Failure is not an option, and we'll follow it.
It's frustrating as hell, but we got to get it done.
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Uh when we come back, we're going to check in with Sarah Carter, Greg Jarrett.
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Craig Jarrett, Sarah Carter next.
Later on, we'll get to a lot of your calls today and more on health care, our top story.
Want to share with you today where I am at on health care reform.
First of all, I remain committed to repealing the Affordable Care Act.
And in Alaska, we are down to to one provider in the individual market.
The state has been forced to spend its extremely limited uh general fund dollars to stabilize that market, even as our premiums are are still rising.
So you've got rising premiums.
We've spent a lot as a state to attempt to stabilize and and we we have just one uh provider on the individual market.
Later this week, the Senate will consider a bill to repeal Obamacare, a costly disaster that four years later six, five years later, we see has cost countless people uh access to their doctor, access to their health care plan of their choice, and the thousands of West Virginians from my state who have lost or had to change their coverage.
We ought to ask individuals and families whose premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed, and the small businesses who have been forced to cut hours and employees.
Americans deserve a health care system that works for them.
And we know that Obamacare is not it.
There is a better way.
In 2010, I don't think that many of my Democratic friends thought they were voting for a bill that would kill jobs.
I really don't.
I don't think they would have voted for it.
I can't believe that they thought that Obamacare would drive up premium costs and make health care harder to get, as it has.
But that is what's happening, and that's why I believe it needs to be repealed and replaced Today here in the United States Senate and tomorrow, as we debate this and vote on it, we've got a chance to move the ball forward and show people that at least a majority here in the United States Congress agree we ought to address this issue.
This vote will show that there are some here in Congress who are listening.
And have some answers.
Our job is to do what's right, and that's to pass this legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare to give us a chance to get rid of some of the most detrimental aspects of it that are eliminating jobs that are pushing health care costs higher and higher.
One of the major reasons that I strongly oppose the affordable health care act was that there was nothing affordable about it.
I predicted it would lead to fewer choices and higher insurance costs for middle income families and small businesses.
Congress must work together to address the very real health care concerns of the American people and the budget realities we face.
Repealing Obamacare's poorly crafted and misguided mandates And replacing the law with a fiscally responsible reform bill that contains costs and provides more choices is the best path forward.
Thank you, Mr. President.
All right, hour two Sean Hannity show, there you have all the big four.
Susan Collins, repeal Obamacare, Rob Portman, repeal Obamacare, Shelley Moore Capito, repeal Obamacare, Lisa Murkowski, repeal Obamacare.
It's unbelievable.
You know, so you got four people now.
Every other person that made the promise is willing, the president's willing to sign it.
I've been here just six months.
I'm ready to act.
I have pen in hand, believe me.
I'm sitting in that office.
I have pen in hand.
You never had that before.
You know, for seven years you had an easy route.
We'll repeal, we'll replace, and he's never gonna sign it.
But I'm signing it.
So it's a little bit different.
But I'm ready to act.
For seven years, you promised the American people that you would repeal Obamacare.
People are hurting inaction is not an option.
And frankly, I don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless we can give our people great health care.
The House will go along with it.
The Senate will go along with it.
We'll get rid of this monstrosity, which I think works out better in the end anyway.
I didn't like the House bill particularly that much.
It wasn't everything we wanted.
Anyway, here to comment and go through all of this with us.
We uh Betsy McCoy probably knows more about Obamacare than anybody else in the country, and Dr. Josh Humber, whose life I ruined, who runs the Atlas MD practice in Wichita, Kansas, and now has devoted his whole life to doing the Sean Hannity show and going to Congress.
How are you both?
That's great.
Well very good.
Thank you.
What is your take?
You know, Betsy McCoy, this is a disaster.
It is a disaster.
And let me point out that if members of Congress were feeling the same pain as the rest of us, like the 18 million people in the individual market who have plans that are unaffordable with deductibles that are sky high, and another eight million people, Sean, who are paying a penalty, the average penalty, $995 now for not having Obamacare because they can't afford it.
But members of Congress aren't feeling that pain, despite what the Affordable Care Act says.
The Act actually requires that members of Congress purchase their coverage on the Obamacare exchanges and followed the same rules as the rest of us.
But wouldn't you know it?
President Obama set up a way for them to weasel out of that legal requirement.
So these members of Congress, including the hypocrites you just heard from, right?
Yeah they get to choose from fifty-seven gold plans and have us, John Q Public and Jane Q public, pick up most of the tab.
And that's one of the reasons, Sean, that they don't feel the urgency to do something about this, because they're not feeling the pain.
Well, I think that's all true.
And by the way, did you see that they're thinking about not th themselves that they're not even uh uh gonna apply the new laws to themselves?
It's just unbelievable.
It is unbelievable.
And Madison warned us, Federal is 57.
He warned us two centuries ago that the as soon as Congress starts passing laws that they're not willing to live by themselves, that is the end of freedom.
It really is.
You know, Dr. Umber, I I have you on the program.
I didn't I didn't realize until the last time you were on that I started interviewing you back in 2012.
I didn't even know it's been five years I've known you.
For five years, we have been telling people that there's a there's a better way that they're that it's working.
You know, here you are, you're dedicating your life to your patients, and but and every doctor I know does the same thing.
I have a great respect.
Doctors sacrifice a lot and and they save lives.
Every doctor I know works for people for free because they can't afford every doctor.
They don't even question it.
It's they they write off half the people they do now.
But the point is is you figured out a way that that every American can have concierge care, doctor availability 24-7.
And yet, you know, you go and talk to these idiots in Washington and they still can't get it.
I don't understand it.
I I I I agree.
Um especially after uh your uh explanation on on it yesterday, there's a huge outpouring of questions, and the people want this.
Um they're they're calling, they're texting, they're emailing, they're asking us to find a doctor in their area because this just makes sense.
But somehow the the same senators who said they would vote to repeal it now won't vote to repeal it, or the same ones who just can't understand that this is a better model.
It actually means less government, more free market, but more options.
Now, poor patients get medicine for a pinna pill too.
That's great for them.
And and it it it I think sad and frustrating um that we're not penetrating farther into the DC mindset, I guess.
Let me point out that although the Congress seems to be at a standstill uh because of the holdouts these actually there are five or six senators now who are balking at the idea of supporting repeal because they don't want to repeal Medicaid, the Medicaid expansion.
Let me point out that there is a way to offer relief to the millions of people we're talking about who are stuck in these Obamacare plans.
They're unaffordable, they no longer have a choice of doctors or they're paying these penalties.
The Affordable Care Act is really two laws glued together.
One is the Medicaid expansion that's where most people who were uninsured and got their coverage and the other is this federal takeover of insurance laws that used to be done by the state.
It used to be the states that regulated them.
So if those senators are holding out on the Medicaid change, the Congress should at least pass a repeal of the parts of Obamacare that regulate the commercial insurance market to give relief, choice and affordability again to the eighteen million people who are affected by those laws.
I mean at least take half a loaf.
Reagan said way back in the eighties I can't get a ten percent tax cut so I'm willing to settle for five in the meantime a half a loaf is better than nothing.
They could pass half of a repeal bill today, Sean, and provide relief to all those people in the individual market who are being under what did you make of McConnell's comments when he came out and said all right they're going to allow amendments to be in and they plan on getting on this next week is that his signal to these four Senators that in fact well we'll give you we'll give you what you need to get the get you over the hump?
It may be he's got a lot to offer and of course the President has virtually an unlimited ability to offer these senators things but the fact is they voted for the repeal before they should be willing to do it again.
Yeah I agree.
You know how many people doctors around the country Dr Umber have you been able to sort of offer a tutorial to and and they've taken your counsel and they've been able to build their own cooperatives.
How many of these cooperatives now exist around the country?
We personally helped over 300 doctors convert to this model.
And just in May, we had 24 doctors convert.
But there's probably up to, you know, 500 to 1,000 doctors doing this model in some regard.
But there's 250,000 primary care or family physicians, almost 500,000 family physicians primary care.
We have a long ways to go.
And it is growing.
And as doctors learn more, as patients learn more, it's really taken off in the last year or two.
But we've got a long ways to go.
And we need bad legislation to be removed to open up the floodgates and allow states to control this.
If block granting Medicaid dollars from the federal government to the state makes sense because of less paperwork, then paying your doctor directly because of less paperwork makes sense, too.
If we can lower insurance...
You know, I just want to remind people, though, if I lived in Wichita, you know, now that I've gotten to know you, I mean, I have to like my doctor...
and I don't know if you'd be like my friend who's my personal doctor now but he actually kidnaps me to to do a checkup on me and then he never lets me go.
And and it's because he loves me and he knows that I'm not gonna come in voluntarily and although that's not true.
If I you know one time I accidentally dropped a knife on my leg and I and I ripped it open and then when I one day he sees me we're playing golf and and he looks at my leg, what did you do?
I said well I dropped the knife on it yesterday.
He looks at it you needed fifteen stitches, you idiot and I said uh but it wasn't bleeding that bad and oh boy.
Well anyway but it was a pretty deep out insurance premiums for by fifty percent for small businesses and they make seventy percent of the jobs we would have an economic boom that would last generations.
I mean this isn't a need this is a must.
I mean this this is an essential thing that needs fix to help the the economy and help patients.
All right guys stay right there.
We gotta take a a quick break.
800 nine four one Sean you want to be a part of the program so the meeting with the president has ended, and now we had Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader.
I'm I'm mad at him too.
Because you know what?
They take their sweet, you know what, time in the Senate and look what happens.
And they could have gotten this done a lot earlier.
There's no sense of urgency with any of these people in Washington.
We still have an economic plan to pass.
We still have a wall to be built.
We still have a hundred other issues to be dealt with, and and we're still fighting over health care.
It's beyond frustrating.
And then we have four senators, you know, that are now holding out.
Well, I I don't know.
Anyway, McConnell said there will be a vote and a motion to proceed, and that's going to take place next week.
We continue with Dr. Josh Umber, he's with Atlas MD in Wichita, Kansas, and Betsy McCoy.
What did you want to say, Betsy?
I think competition, free markets...
I want you to point out that these senators who so far are refusing to go along with repeal are cowed by the demagoguery coming from the Democrats who have so misrepresented the changes to Medicaid.
It's only fair to point that out.
Right now, the Democrats are saying we need to continually expand Medicaid.
How much?
How much?
Over half of all the women who give birth in the United States now send the bill to Medicaid.
There are seventy-four million people on Medicaid.
That's 20 million more than on the universal health care program for the elderly, Medicare.
And this rapid expansion of Medicaid is threatening to drown the nation in Reddick.
It's already the largest item on many state budgets.
So it's crowding out schools and roads and other needs.
But the Democrats are unwilling to have a discussion about how big Medicaid should be.
Well, I mean, the thing that frustrates me, if they end up because they're going to offer amendments now in this bill, if they end up bulking it up with pork and bribery for these senators to do what they said they were gonna do, then you know what?
Then it defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
It already does.
Do you know that I laughed when I saw that the Senate bill included forty five billion dollars billion with the B for opiite opioid treatment?
Now here's the here's the gist of that.
That's why that's so astounding.
That's ten times more than the Federal Government is allocating for breast cancer research.
It is forty times more than the Obama administration allocated for opioid addiction research and treatment.
And yet Chuck Schumer, Senate major Senate minority leader, is still complaining it's not enough.
It's just demagoguery.
You know, I guess from your perspective, Dr. Umber, I mean, as somebody that successfully offers concierge service to every patient.
You have over 600 patients.
You have how many doctors in your practice?
We have five or so.
Okay.
And so you got all these patients, and you're doing it, and you make it a pretty healthy living, right?
We are.
And I mean, that's the point.
It there's such a better way to do it.
And then you listen to these idiots in DC, and it frustrates it must frustrate you.
It is, because like she was just saying, they're trying to throw money at a problem when that's not not the solution.
We keep throwing money at it and we keep getting worse health care outcomes for it.
Um what they need like and that's why we're excited that Trump as a businessman would come in and bring business entrepreneurial thought process in here and streamline and cut burdensome regulation and focus on value.
Uh and we could have a whole lot better health care system for a fraction of the price if the senators would just quit trying to grow the government.
All right, I gotta thank you both for being with us.
Uh Dr. Umber, I'm sorry I ruined your life.
I still love you.
Thank you.
And uh Betsy McCoy, uh, have you ever gotten rid of that marked up copy of Obamacare or do you still have it in bed with you?
We're gonna repeal it.
So it's on my desk.
Yeah, listen, I want your copy because I want to burn it.
I want to I want to get rid of it if they ever get rid of this thing.
Well, let's hope that we don't never see a bill pass through Congress that big again.
You're the only one that actually read the thing.
All right, thank you both for being with us.
All right, what about the 42 pages, highly redacted documents?
FBI, Greg Jarrett, Sarah Carter, they're next, and then much more in your call straight ahead.
Well, it's odd.
It's like we have this giant Rorschach test where everyone sees ink plots and sees crimes everywhere.
I mean, the criminal code is defined elements to it.
You just don't find these ambiguous Crimes.
Some people have said this could be treason for the love of God.
Treason is defined in the Constitution.
This is not treason.
Other people have said this could be a Logan Act violation.
Well, Logan Act has been used once in 200 years and is facially unconstitutional.
One said, well, if you take uh things of tangible value under the campaign laws and treat information like that, then maybe you have a campaign contribution violation.
Well, yeah, but we haven't seen that done.
You could also treat it like a panda and say it's an endangered species violation.
But courts haven't done that.
So I think that people need to take a breath.
You know, this was a meeting where someone said they had evidence of a possible crime by the opponent of the Trump campaign.
Um they met with this person.
I think a lot of people in the city view that as naive.
I think a lot of people say, My God, why didn't you use a surrogate, which is how it's done in Washington?
But that itself is not a crime.
If you get something of value, and they're alleging that information from a value from a foreign national could be uh, you know, stretched out to mean, you know, words.
Is that something that's ever been prosecuted?
Of course not.
And if it were to be prosecuted, the First Amendment would trump.
A candidate has the right to get information from whatever source the information comes.
It's very much like the New York Times publishing the Pentagon Papers case or the Washington Post publishing material stolen by Snowden and Manning.
You don't prosecute the newspaper, they have a First Amendment right.
And you don't prosecute the candidate or the candidate's son, they have a First Amendment right to get the material.
If the material was obtained unlawfully, you prosecute if you can, the people who obtain the material.
But there is a First Amendment right of a candidate to use information.
And so you can't include information under the campaign finance law.
That would be unconstitutional.
Let me ask you, I understand Hillary Clinton lost, I understand this effort was not as elaborate as as the Russian effort.
But was it acceptable or would it have been acceptable for the Democrats to accept help from the Ukrainian government in this campaign?
No, it would be uh appropriate for the Democrats to accept help from the Ukrainian government.
Uh, but I think if you look at the political article, and we're talking about just a single article here, if you accept all the facts in the article, the scale of what the Russians did is not comparable to anything in that article.
Uh, if it were the comparable analogy would be that the Ukrainian president directed the Ukrainian intelligence agencies to steal, to hack Donald Trump's campaigns, steal emails, publish them, directed a social media army to influence the election, and sat down, its representatives sat down with Chelsea Clinton and John Podesta, in which they indicated they wanted the dirt on Donald Trump.
There's no suggestion anything of that magnitude.
So the scale is different.
Acknowledge that, but this is problematic.
This Ukrainian meeting is problematic.
And you're right.
Well, it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government.
Uh, but again, I think to compare the two is a bit like comparing bank robbery uh with uh writing a check with insufficient funds, both appropriate money from the bank uh improperly, but a very different degree of seriousness and involvement uh in this case by a foreign government.
All right, as we roll along, that was Jonathan Turley, Alan Dershowitz, and even Congressman Schiff saying everything that we have been telling you about all of these issues.
Everything.
Anyway, glad you're with us, 800 941 Sean, toll-free telephone number, you want to be a part of the program.
Sarah Carter, senior editor, circa.com, Greg Jarrett, legal analyst, Fox News.
You know, what Greg, let's go back to, and you've written columns about it in detail, and they have one respected liberal democratic lawyer after another.
Not tow the party line, but actually care about the rule of law, equal application of the law, and the Constitution saying, sorry, it's not a crime to get information if somebody says I got something for you.
But yet the media plays this up like this is Watergate the 50th degree.
Well, and what's interesting is that no member of the mainstream media seems to have bothered uh to even look at the Federal Election Commission's government website, which makes it perfectly clear that it's lawful for foreign nationals to be involved in American political campaign, Sean.
And in fact, uh, let me just quote it.
It's one line and it's very simple.
Even though a foreign national cannot make campaign contributions, he or she can serve as an uncompensated volunteer for any campaign or political party.
And then the website uh goes on to state that foreigners are allowed to camp uh attend campaign strategy meetings and events.
The commission says none of this is considered to be a contribution.
So how is it possible that the media never bothers to look at the main website that explains the law on elections and what's legal and what's not legal with respect to the the Russian lawyer meeting with Donald Trump Jr.
I mean it's a do you see a difference in the Ukraine situation at all or is that legal in your mind too even though you have a DNC operative as being paid by the DNC meeting at the Ukrainian embassy with the Ukrainian ambassador and sharing the information with the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
Yeah under the Federal Election Commission's guidelines, rules and the law and it conforms completely with the uh code of federal regulations uh you know which identifies crimes and non-crimes um it is legal for you know Hillary Clinton to have collaborated with the Ukrainian government as long as they're not in any decision making capacity but providing information is is legal.
What's astonishing is the hypocrisy that you've pointed out repeatedly among the mainstream media you know they they yawn and ignore the Hillary Ukrainian connection but but they go apoplectic over Donald Trump Jr. meeting you know with a Russian lawyer to obtain information in both cases it's perfectly legal but the media demonizes Trump and gives a free ride to Hillary Clinton.
Let me go to you Sarah you know sir you've done so much good investigative work and you know the media are all sheep because they just follow each other and meanwhile you you and John and and my friend Greg here you all have broken ground in so many different areas.
You're the one that talked early on about a FISA surveillance warrant you're the one that talked about another warrant you're the one that exposed yeah Trump Tower was being surveilled.
Then you talked about unmasking.
We're supposed to have Susan Rice testifying this week, and we'll see if that happens and what's going on with that.
But now we have this leak, this dump by the FBI.
It was fascinating to me because you've got 42 pages of highly sensitive FBI criminal investigation into the email server scandal.
And then you find out, you know, all part of a mid-year exam.
Then they talk about grand jury material when you couple it with what Judicial Watch found.
And then you begin to, you know, find out, well, Hillary Clinton, by the way, was asked by the FBI.
She's obstructing justice, destroyed some of her self-assisting.
phone devices with a hammer and then she hands over to the FBI cell phones that don't have a SIM card in them.
Which render them useless.
Isn't that obstruction of justice under any reasonable interpretation?
Yes it appears to be an obstruction of justice and this is what the FBI agents who were on the case who were following this case who were part of building a case against Hillary Clinton looking at these facts.
I mean if you just look at these redacted documents and they're so I mean they're highly redacted so there were pages and pages of documents that nobody could see.
Judicial watch just did not even have a word on them.
But the ones that had a few a little bit of information exposed that you know that there were documents that were designated to go to a grand jury.
And I can tell you this from talking to law enforcement officials who were very close to this case who had firsthand knowledge of what was going on here.
They told me that their senior leadership had them bending over backwards for the DOJ.
I mean they just couldn't get two steps ahead because they were forced to bend backwards for the DOJ every single time I mean to the point where I mean even former FBI director Comey had to admit where Cheryl Mills was hitting in on the interview with Hillary Clinton and she was a potential witness.
He had to admit that that never happened so there were a lot of issues with how this played out and I think you know especially because of the work of Judicial Watch which is what you know John and I try to do is get those documents get those facts so when the facts are on their face nobody can dispute them.
And what Judicial Watch was able to do Was get these documents to give us a little peek into how difficult it was for our federal law enforcement officers for our for our agents, FBI agents who were conducting this investigation to conduct this investigation.
And remember, Sean, um even within the FBI, senior leadership was basically, and this is according to sources that I've spoken with.
They were saying, look, we're not gonna have to worry about this after the November elections because basically Hillary's gonna be the president.
So everybody was assuming Hillary was gonna win, right?
At that point, those people that were supporting horror people within the FBI.
So there was a reason to not move this case forward.
And um apparently from what we're seeing from these documents, that was not the case with those that were conducting the investigation.
All right, stay right there.
We'll continue.
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and the continue with Greg Jarrett and Sarah Carter, and uh we're talking about Hillary Clinton we have more information of obstruction of justice.
Greg, let me ask you about first of all, why didn't the media pick up on this 42-page FBI document dump?
How come if if Hillary Clinton if basically they've mentioned the word grand jury, I'm thinking, all right, there might have been a grand jury convened.
Then I'm thinking, okay, she the whole narrative that she gave us was, well, I just wanted the convenience of one device.
That was the whole narrative about the email server scandal.
And I just wanted I only had one device.
Then we find out she has a Blackberry, an iPad, an iPod, uh, or an iPhone, rather, and then she on top of that, she has a hammer, and they break how many devices for her and smash them up into bitty pizzas, and then the FBI knows she has three other ones, she hands them over without any SIM cards.
Is that not obstruction of justice?
If you destroy evidence relevant to a pending investigation, i it's ups obstruction of justice.
You're destroying evidence uh to uh allegedly hide a crime.
And uh you know, they hand it over two uh phones smartphones, but without SIM cards.
I mean, yeah.
It's like handing over your computer, but I'm not gonna give you my hard drive.
So it's it's utterly worthless.
And then they were requested to hand over, it was actually demanded that they hand over thirteen mobile Devices in all, they turned over none of them.
So and and all of the excuses that were offered were utterly vacuous.
Um and yet the you know the FBI lets it go and the media ignores it in in the dump that you just referred to when they, you know, heavily redacted all of this information, but you can see what went on.
They the Hillary campaign uh Hillary Clinton and and all of her associates um went out of their way to be uncooperative.
It's it's amazing to me that five people received immunity, five others took the fifth, and yet Hillary Clinton wasn't even sworn uh in during her brief interview in which all she could remember was her name and date of birth.
I mean, more than thirty times she said, I don't remember, I don't recall.
She didn't even remember the tutorial she received telling her how to handle classified information.
Or the memos that she sent to her own staff.
I mean, let's be yeah, I mean you know, this is why I don't know where Jeff Sessions is.
I maybe something's happening that we don't know about, and maybe you'll be able to discover it, Sarah Carter, but I'm like, okay, we have a new attorney general.
Statute of limitations have not gone anywhere.
Why isn't this woman being investigated?
I we don't know that we don't know that she's not, Sean, and let's just put it that way.
You know, when I've I've spoken to uh a number of people in federal law enforcement, and uh many times these cases never fully get closed.
So maybe they've reopened it.
We don't know that yet, and you're right, I'm gonna continue to investigate this.
But just looking at all of those facts that we now see before us laid out on their face.
It's hard to imagine where director comey at the time, former director Tommy at the time, came to the conclusion on July 5th, 2016 to say that no reasonable prosecutor would take such a case.
Um, could you imagine if any of us had decided to destroy our uh what appeared to be evidence that the FBI was seeking or take out the SIM cards out of our cell phones before?
Or smash them with a hammer.
I mean, imagine Sean Hannity is them.
Yes.
Why do I know I'd be in jail?
Why do I know that I'd be hiring Greg Jarrett and Jay Seculow and you know, Joe de Genova, Victoria Tony, I'd have to have fifty attorneys to get, and I'd still end up in jail, and you'd have to bring me a a file and a cake.
A file and a cake, yeah, sure.
I would I would I would definitely think about doing that, Sean.
Either that or a bottle of vodka a day.
Well, one of the other, so I won't even know I'm in jail.
Oh, well, if if you if you bring up vodka, then they're gonna collude you with a Russian.
Exactly.
Yeah, seriously.
But looking at those facts on their face, I mean they're very serious issues.
Now you can understand the enormous frustration that a lot of federal investigators had when conducting this investigation, right?
Apparently there were five separate FBI field offices conducting these investigations into the Clinton email server.
And there was anger among the FBI agents.
That's not just coming from the sources that I've spoken with.
McCabe himself admitted that.
I I've got to run, but I'm gonna tell you, if this doesn't get open, we don't have equal justice under the law now.
I gotta take a break.
I really appreciate both of you being with us.
Greg Jarrett, Sarah Carter will continue.
Thank you.
All right, news roundup information overload hour 800-941 Sean, toll free telephone number.
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Terry is standing by.
Terry, hi, how are you?
And glad you called.
Hey, Sean, how are you?
I'm good.
All right.
So I actually met you once upon a time at a fundraiser in Honolulu, and I shook your hand.
Oh my god, but I want time out the back.
Is the uh of why the liberal agenda can maintain its momentum even though you know they're in the majority in power.
It's the squeaky will gets the grease, and conservatives need to get out of their safe space.
This whole we're the conservatives, we're right, they're wrong, we're gonna win by logic is not working.
The silent majority is not working.
We need more ground level activism.
Knocking on doors given the GOP money is not working.
We need to be more active.
Listen, I I think what's gonna have to happen, and it's all gonna play out in the next few months, and we're gonna know who we can count on and who really needs to go.
And there's just going to have to be a uh there's just gonna have to be some firings.
I mean, look, one of the things I don't like to do in my business is fire people.
I mean, Linda can tell you more than anybody.
Linda, how hard is it for to get me to fire people?
It's pretty hard, right?
Yeah, it's pretty annoying.
And Linda, you know, usually to get me to fire somebody, it has to you have to start at least a year out, right?
More.
It's like two.
It's a nightmare.
It's an I don't want to fire.
And what is my rule?
The people always find it.
Fire themselves.
Okay, but I try to give everybody the opportunity.
And you know, the way my brain works is that you know, you want to give everybody every opportunity, and I understand that everybody doesn't have the urgency of a Linda or me or whatever, and you you kinda everybody ha you kind of put them in their zone and where as long as they're doing their part and their job and the way that's affected, but if they're not, you sit them down, you try and help them.
Well, you know what, Sean?
Can I can I jump in here for a second?
Because Laura and I worked really, really hard today, and we tried our best as people who actually have the numbers on the inside to these senators.
We have the press lines, we have the direct lines, we have direct emails.
That's why we gave them out l earlier, but but here's the real problem.
So here we are not calling the public numbers, you know, these people forget that they work for the American people.
So we have a little bit of an advantage because we have a better number, we have a more direct email.
We cannot get responses.
We cannot get past an intern.
We cannot get an answer.
We cannot get a confirmation on a potential request for an interview.
And the problem is you're willing to go out and make the American people subject to these rulings and these votes that you are either willing or unwilling to give, depending on what year it is, but you're not willing to talk about those votes and that opinion.
You're only willing to issue statements where you don't have to be called to count for what you're actually saying.
And it's I have to say, like, I'm appalled today.
I'm so angry today.
I I I can't even I don't even have enough words to talk about how angry I am.
Well, to be perfectly honest, I have been the victim of this wrath today behind the scenes.
Well, you deserve it.
Okay, and so uh Terry, so what I'm what I'm actually doing is letting her vent right now because she needs to, better at the audience than me.
But she's right.
I mean, how do you vote one way in 27?
We all need to vent.
I mean, yesterday I was left staring at the sky in complete disbelief and awe.
And what I'm seeing a lot of, and and this is just my instinct, you know, we talk about the money, we talk about knocking on doors, public support.
And what do you see on the left?
What is working for them?
You know, it's it's public.
These people on the left and why they maintain their powers, they've surrounded themselves with an army.
We see how they attack you.
We see how they attack other conservatives.
They literally have an army that's willing to get as dirty as necessary to support their cause.
And on the right, we're we're just more principled.
We're not gonna burn down businesses and march down the street and block traffic.
I think it's called work.
We're too busy work.
Listen, well, yeah, work.
You know, it's like to my finish.
Let me finish my point on firing, though.
Because this is important.
And you what you're saying is true.
I'm well beyond my two-year period here.
And this is now a seven-year-long process of repealing and replacing.
And I don't have any more patience.
I have none.
And for those people, when we get into this next week, and this battle and this fight is engaged, and if they fail, and if they don't do their job, and we don't get lower premiums, and we don't get this promise fulfilled, it's just I am gonna have a list of names of people that need to be fired.
Well, Hannity, we can't get rid of Susan Collins.
It's our only chance in Maine of getting a Republican.
Well, if she's not gonna repeal Obamacare, she's absolutely what's the point?
It's so frustrating.
Or Lisa Murkowski demanding whatever it is.
All right, I appreciate the call, Terry.
I gotta get to some other calls here.
Mike is in Kentucky.
Mike, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, thanks.
Uh just want to say you're a true patriot, and I appreciate everything you've done.
Uh you know, the Senate's done a pathetic job at trying to do this repeal and replace.
So I I just want to throw out a suggestion.
Why can't we replace and then repeal?
And here's what I'll explain.
Can't they pass a bill to begin selling insurance on a free market by the end of this year?
And then people can choose Obamacare or they can choose the free market option.
And if the free market option is less expensive and better, people are gonna flock to that.
And essentially that by itself will make Obamacare uh, you know, fail even quicker by the end of Trump's first term.
And so I'm just wondering why can't they just do that?
They have both options in place.
Well I don't disagree at all.
I mean they could have listened the the Ted Cruz has a plan.
Even the House bill, the CBO came back and said 30, 35% premium deductions.
Premium deductions are huge, massive, needed, necessary.
Free market competition is is supposed to be what the Republican Party stands for.
You know, that's where the the health cooperatives that we we talked about in the last hour come in or the last half hour.
That's where health savings accounts come in.
These you know the things that are being done on the ground by people like Dr. Umber are so creative and so innovative and it's so frustrating because you know what the average American can get concierge top quality 24 access care and they can get it for as low as $50 a month and 10 bucks a month for their kids.
And we can get a 95% reduction in our pharmaceutical costs.
And we don't have to pay astronomical you know amounts of money going to emergency rooms when we have the concierge care.
You know something the carpenters, the contractors, the plumbers I went out to dinner, my son is home last night I went out to dinner with him and I and we're at a restaurant and I met this guy I didn't remember him but you know some 15 years ago he had worked on my house you know fixing a plumbing problem I had and then he reminded me of the situation.
I said okay yeah I remember and I'm just talking to him about his business and you know those well why doesn't that guy get the concierge care?
Why is the government in the way in the first place?
Why are we forcing young people to buy plans that they don't need, can't afford, and if they don't buy it, we're penalizing them with a huge tax, which many of them end up paying?
It's so frustrating.
Government is not by, of, and for the people.
Big government is the problem.
Reagan has said it you know for all the work the president has done some of the best work he has done you don't even know about because he's just rolling back Obamacare regular rules and regulations because you know every five seconds the government wants to tell you you can't eat salt or you can't drink a soda or you can't drink this many ounces of soda.
And yet is is that the role and function we want from these people I think if we can get a if we can get a replacement out there and let let people compare Obamacare to the replacement I think people will start going through replacement and quit focusing on trying to repeal it first and uh the replacement by disagree I th I I think you got to repeal it.
You got to get rid of it because that allows all new creativity I I never liked the House bill for that reason.
Dump it and start over and you can create the transition period where people are covered and nobody's going to get hurt as long as you don't pork it all up.
I mean honestly this is the this this is going to work out so much better in the end I in my opinion is so much better.
Anyway I appreciate the call 800 nine four one Sean you want to be a part of the program as let's see as we check in now is in Indianapolis.
John hi how are you glad you called Sean it's fantastic to talk to you my friend what's going on hey you you got uh you got Mr Rand Paul and uh Mr McConnell are both from you know the great state of Kentucky but it's like they don't talk to each other you know no they talk to each other.
What's that what's that?
They they no they talk to each other they actually have like a I don't know they have this like alliance okay I won't but I won't go after you you don't go after me.
I mean it's very transparent.
I mean Miranda's very popular in the state Mitch McConnell probably a little less so and Rand has decided he's not going to go after the majority leader and the majority leader I'm sure doesn't like Rand's position.
He's he won't fall in line on a lot of issues which is good for Rand.
And I think this was Rand's idea from the get go and I thought it was a a good idea and I remember telling him I'll support that idea let's repeal it like we did in 2015.
I didn't expect four senators three of which voted to repeal it in 2015 to backtrack on their on their repeal.
Nobody expected it you know all right John thank you my friend Teresa Frederick Meryland next.
Taking the call.
I guess in the last few months I've been very frustrated, but what's been happening in the last couple of days has just absolutely been sickening.
Um right now in Congress, they don't seem to have the American public interest um at all.
Um they're more interested in comedian things that don't matter.
Election results, Russia trying to get back at Trump.
And my message to them is do what the American people voted you in for, do the Republican agenda and start doing your job.
And you're I'm just repeating what you just said, in that um two years ago they were going to repeal amount of care, and now they're not.
And why?
Is it because it's it's Trump's the president?
Is it because of special interests?
I really begin to wonder if you don't want to.
I really think, and I've said this that there are five groups that don't like the president.
And I have said that two of those groups are never Trumpers and weak Republicans.
And I do believe there is an element of some in the Republican Party that does not want this man to succeed.
And yeah, I think they they if they think they come from a liberal enough state and they can get away with it, or they can act like they're giving away free stuff to their their constituents, and that's their excuse.
I I think it's, you know, I I don't put it past these these idiots.
We had Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan on the program uh last night, and I want to play what they said about the health care bill that they've been so instrumental in helping get done.
I like the clean repeal idea, but three Republican senators, you have what?
Uh Collins, Murkowski, and Capito, I think is their name, all saying they're against it.
We don't have the votes already for that.
Congress Congressman Meadows.
Well, I mean, one of the problems is two of those senators you just mentioned actually voted on this very same bill last year.
And so to suggest that they're going to vote no now when they voted yes to send it to a President Barack Obama then, why not send the same bill to President Trump?
Because I can tell you we'll get a different result.
We're being outworked by the president of the United States.
We've got to get it done here, and enough is enough.
A clean repeal.
If we can't uh find a repeal and replacement vehicle, now's the time to act, Sean.
Yeah, and Congressman Jordan?
No, I mean uh look, it never hurts to do what you said, right?
We told the American people we're gonna repeal it.
Let's let's pass the same thing we pass in 2015.
And it's a very different animal when you actually call the vote up.
I always tell people if if if you never kick the ball off and play the game, you never you're never gonna actually know who wins.
So sometimes the conventional wisdom doesn't hold true.
Let's call the roll.
Let's see what happens.
They might say they're gonna vote against it, call it up both in the House and the Senate, and let's say, okay, are you really gonna vote different than you voted just 15, 16, 17 months ago?
Are you really gonna do something different than you told the American people you were going to do the last six years?
Never forget 2010, 2014, 2016 elections.
This was a central issue where we promised them repeal.
So let's call it up and see if what they say now actually happens when it's the roll call and they're out there on the floor of the center of the house actually casting the vote.
Is there anybody at all on the Democratic side of the aisle that's willing in any way to help?
Is Joe Manchin, any Democrat you can think of, or they just you know literally cheap.
Well, that that's if you would repeal it first, then maybe you can put together a coalition with some Democrats and Republicans to address the so repeal it first, then you might be able to put together the coalition to actually accomplish some things that both sides agree with.
Congressman Meadows, this could actually work out better.
You repeal it first.
And like the and they all voted for it as you said in 2015.
Right.
If you then you could really make add the cooperatives I'm talking about, add the health savings accounts we've been talking about, add the catastrophic care that I've been talking about interstate south and work out better.
Well, you're right, all those points.
The president made that point last night uh when he commented on this the very first time, he says we'll get some Democrat uh involvement.
You know, when we're talking about repeal, it's very difficult for a Democrat to vote on anything that repeals something that has their president's name on it.
But once it's repealed, it's all about coming together and finding out what works best.
And and my good friend uh Jim just mentioned that.
It's about that competition across state lines.
It's about making sure that we have association plans uh that actually can provide a group kind of policy that would drive premiums down, protect those pre existing conditions.
But we've got to be all hands on deck.
Uh you know, having failure is not an option right now.
And so whether it's on the Senate side or the House side, let's go ahead with a clean, straight repeal and get it done and make sure that we send something to the President so he can sign.
All right, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan.
You know, but for the Freedom Caucus, I honestly have no faith in people in Washington.
All right, we'll take a break.
We'll come back.
When we come back, your call's coming up straight ahead.
25 till the top of the hour.
Toll for you, telephone numbers 800 941.
Sean, you want to be a part of the program, a lot more to say.
We're just going to continue to give out the names and phone numbers of all these people in Washington that aren't keeping their word.
And it's unbelievable that we have, you know, all of these issues, all of these problems, all of these promises, all of these perks, all of these spoiled brides, and they can't get together and get a single job done.
It's amazing to me.
Anyway, we want to get your calls in here.
Scott in Oklahoma.
Scott, hi, how are you?
What's up, Scott?
Welcome to the program.
And thank you.
What's going on?
I just want to say that, you know, yesterday I was pretty apoplectic about all the news that the Congress is just gonna shoot down the health bill that you know they promised they're gonna get rid of for seven years.
Sixty-eight times they voted on it.
And uh, you know.
And now they're not gonna do anything about it.
And that's just that's a betrayal to us, you know.
Well, I'm not sure they're not gonna do it.
I mean, I honestly think that we're we're just gonna keep mounting pressure, amounting pressure, and you know, I'm a little pissed off at people like Ron Johnson.
Oh, let's just move on to the economy.
No, you don't get to move on to the economy that quickly.
You don't.
You gotta finish your work here.
And you know, this is what really ticks me off, you know, about people like Susan Collins and Rob Portman and Lisa Murkowski and Capito, all these people.
Oh, repeal, repeal, repeal, repeal.
They're all on tape.
Repeal, repeal, repeal.
And then they don't get it done.
Now they're not willing to do what they said they were going to do.
Exactly.
Exactly.
That's that's that's that's the betrayal I'm talking about.
Even if it's just for them, they all said they were going to do it, and now they're not.
No.
Well are we supposed to believe them anymore?
No.
On the agreement?
Well, you know, and that's why we're trying to hold these people accountable and and hold them to their word.
That means that every other senator, every other congressman that's willing to vote for repeal and fulfill their promise.
They're being held hostage by four people that have changed their position.
I mean, seriously, I mean, uh, you really can't blame anybody else but these four.
Murkowski, Shelley Moore Capito, Rob Portman, and Susan Collins.
They all, as I've been playing, they all said repeal Obamacare.
They've all said it.
They've said it repeatedly.
They said it again and again.
Later this week, the Senate will consider a bill to repeal Obamacare, a costly disaster that four years later, six, five years later, we see has cost countless people uh access to their doctor, access to their health care plan of their choice, and the thousands of West Virginians from my state who have lost or had to change their coverage.
We ought to ask individuals and families whose premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed, and the small businesses who have been forced to cut hours and employees.
Americans deserve a health care system that works for them.
And we know that Obamacare is not it.
there is a better way.
I want to share with you today where I am at on healthcare reform.
First off, I remain committed to repealing the Affordable Care Act.
In Alaska, we are down to one provider in the individual market.
The state has been forced to spend its extremely limited general fund dollars to stabilize that market, even as our premiums are still rising.
So you've got rising premiums.
We've spent a lot as a state to attempt to stabilize and we have just one provider on the individual market.
market.
Today here in the United States Senate and tomorrow as we debate this and vote on it, we've got a chance to move the ball forward and show people that at least a majority here in the United States Congress agree we ought to address this issue.
This vote will show that there are some here in Congress who are listening and have some answers.
Our job is to do what's right.
And that's to pass this legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare to give us a chance to get rid of some of the most detrimental aspects of it that are eliminating jobs that are pushing health care costs higher and higher.
One of the major reasons that I strongly oppose the affordable health care act was that there was nothing affordable about it.
I predicted it would lead to fewer choices and higher insurance costs for middle income families and small businesses.
Congress must work together to address the very real health care concerns of the American people and the budget realities we face.
Repealing Obamacare's poorly crafted and misguided mandates and replacing the law with a fiscally responsible reform bill that contains costs and provides more choices is the best path forward.
Thank you, Mr. President.
And every other Senator and Congressman that made the promise.
And now they're not willing to do what they can do.
I I the only thing I can say is call them.
Call them and tell them to keep your promise to the American people and stand up for what you said you were going to do.
Well, I can't change my mind.
Well, I think we need the replacement now.
That's not what they all said.
You get you have a perfect transition, you have two years, that gives you time to actually do something right, and you got plenty of warning, although they'll end up waiting until the last minute anyway.
You know, or McKowski's going to demand some type of you know quid pro quo, holding everybody a bridge to nowhere of some kind.
Anyway, it's frustrating.
It really is frustrated.
Let's go, all right.
Here's a Liberal Tracy Cady, Texas.
Katie is ha uh Tracy is happy that health care has failed, aren't you?
You're very happy about that.
No, I'm not happy that it failed so much, Sean.
I'm looking at the fakeness of the party.
Look, for all these years it's been posturing, and all it did was posture just so it can get elected.
If anybody knows the true origin of the health care, they know it came from the Heritage Foundation.
They know that Mitt Romney actually implemented in Massachusetts.
And you know, I realized what was so cold.
Mitt Romney could have actually stole the election from Obama if Mitch McConnell, who should be fired, didn't posture and make Mitch McConnell go against Obama.
I'm gonna show you something.
Romney could have stole the election from Obama by simply saying this.
Ladies and gentlemen, Obama implemented the health care improperly and wrong.
I did it in Massachusetts, and I can do a better job than Obama.
This is when the rollout was really bad.
But all they did was positive for the Republicans to get the vote.
Listen, I'm gonna agree with part of what you're saying, and I know I'm gonna disagree with you.
All right.
I'm not I'm not disagreeing that these were show votes.
I'm not disagreeing that these people had no intention of keeping their words.
It was evident to people like me, you know, back when they wouldn't use their the constitutional authority and the power of the purse.
It was obvious to me.
It really was.
So I knew back then, and this audience knew back then.
But with that said, if you can't get the full loaf, you gotta take three quarters.
If you can't get three quarters, you take two-thirds.
But Sean, let me say this.
Here's the thing that gets me the most.
Right now, I'm listening to the Republicans crying.
You know what?
The Democrats won't help us.
All right, but here's the problem with your arguments, Tracy, because your side gave us keep your doctor, keep your plan.
On average, the average family saves $2,500 a year.
You're the one that said, oh, we'll have choices and options.
You're the one that said, okay, so we let millions lose their doctors, millions lose their care, millions more that only have one option.
Excuse me.
And on average, a six to eight thousand dollar increase per family, and nobody saved any money.
And then you had young people forced to subsidize the the poor, the uninsured, the elderly, and the sick.
So I really don't want to hear that you have the answers either.
But with that said, the answer Is in the free market.
You know, the answer is things like what I have been telling this audience about since 2012, and that's health care cooperatives.
I mean, it has the word cooperative in it.
You'd think liberals would love it.
50 bucks a month, unlimited care, concierge care for the average American.
They deserve it.
And you have a doctor on call 24-7, and you have a 95% discount on drugs and pharmaceuticals, and you get stitches and broken bones taken care of and all your care.
And then you couple it with a catastrophic plan, which is relatively inexpensive based on the amount of deductible you're willing to pay.
And then when you have that, you're fully covered if you get cancer, have a heart attack, or a bad accident.
None of this is that hard.
What bothers me is they can't, these people frustrate me.
So I'm saying put them in a room, take away their air conditioners, put in fans, send in water, coke, Pepsi, Sprite, whatever, pizza, Kentucky fried chicken, Wendy's.
You know what?
No, no fare from the Senate dining room, no barbershops, no workout rooms.
Go do your job, no vacations.
And get it done.
I've been here just six months.
I'm ready to act.
I have pen in hand, believe me.
I'm sitting in that office.
I have pen in hand.
You never had that before.
You know, for seven years you had an easy route.
We'll repeal, we'll replace, and he's never going to sign it.
But I'm signing it.
So it's a little bit different.
But I'm ready to act.
For seven years, you promised the American people that you would repeal Obamacare.
People are hurting in action is not an option.
And frankly, I don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless we can give our people great health care.
So my message today is really simple.
We have to stay here.
We shouldn't leave town, and we should hammer this out and get it done.
And not just a repeal.
I think the people of this country need more than a repeal.
They need a repeal and a replace.
We can repeal, but we should repeal and replace, and we shouldn't leave town until this is complete, until this bill is on my desk, and until we all go over to the Oval Office, I'll sign it and we can celebrate for the American people.
And for all these people like Markowski and Portman and Collins, I'm just sick of these people.
Every one of them.
There's such a disappointment.
The whole country now sitting, you know, the president makes a promise, he's sitting on it.
You know, every Republican that made a promise to repeal, they're all now sitting on their hands because of four people that can't keep their word.
It's despicable to me.
I don't know.
You make you make a promise, you keep your promise.
And they haven't done it.
But the best thing we need to do is get rid of this monstrosity in this disaster, which is Obamacare.
Anyway, 800-941 Sean, toll free telephone number, you want to be a part of this extravaganza.
All right, let's say hi to Ben is in Montana.
Ben, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, thank you very much for taking my call today.
You know, I've been listening to your show and many others this whole period with this whole conversation thing going on.
The thing that keeps nagging at me, why aren't they talking about the cost of health care?
Why aren't they getting into the nuts and bolts?
Well, Ted Cruz came up with a proposal to do that.
Yeah, yeah.
Hello, can you hear me?
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
Um, so the thing that's been bothering you about this whole conversation.
Why aren't they getting into the nuts and bolts about the cost of health care?
It's a difficult issue.
It's a complicated issue, but they're treating it as a simple black and white matter of how to pay for it, which doesn't seem to address any of the actual reasons why we're in this position.
You know, if these I can see the reasons why these Republicans are backing off of it, because a lot of the echoes of what everybody promised was a repeal and replace.
And you don't the last thing I think that anybody wants to do is to make a move that's just gonna totally break down the entire system in the first place, since that's basically where we're at right now.
What's missing is the free market.
You know, and this is the beauty of the cooperatives and health savings accounts.
That's the beauty of portability.
That's the beauty of competition.
You have all you know, you have trillions of health care dollars, and the American people are smart instinctively, it's like buying a car.
You know, most people now have figured out car dealerships, and pretty much you know the price of the car before you ever walk in the dealer, and the dealers know that everybody knows.
And similarly, if if you if people are given the choice and the option of health care plans, they're gonna go for the plan that's inexpensive that offers the most care for the least amount of money.
And those companies that offer it are gonna be the companies that benefit and the companies that make a profit and the companies that have more customers.
Perhaps.
And I like that you just said profit, because that's really the hinge point on this.
I think that to some degree we can all understand that there's gonna be a population of healthcare consumers that need more help than others.
And when you're looking at it from a profit standpoint, you're gonna have to draw a line somewhere.
As a brief example, the only reason, for example, that my wife can afford the medication that she's on right now is because of the health the Medicaid expansion here in Montana.
Now I can see easily going off the rolls for that, which I understand, and there's we can make we can work to and make do.
But there's certainly other customers who aren't gonna be in that position at all.
And I think that the fear is is Listen, but you gotta understand if you're a doctor, imagine for a second you're the doctor, okay?
You're the guy that spends four years in college, three or four years in medical school, you work for next to nothing, you know, doing a residency and an internship, and then you finally have to, you know, work in a practice and turn the lights on and rent or buy a building.
Absolutely.
You know, it's and that's what I mean.
I mean, because you got these guys trying to navigate the health care, the healthcare industry themselves and provide good services to people.
Right.
And they're in an industry which is just tapping every person in it, both the providers and the customers for every dollar that they have, with and reason, but those losses are there.
And we've even seen the benefits going to these insurance providers, and they have to make their margins too.
But it's like every everywhere you look in the system, there's a hard one.
All right, appreciate your your words.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Let not your heart be troubled.
Hannity tonight, 10 Eastern.
You know what I'm gonna do?
Rather than be angry, I'm gonna give all the answers to the Republicans on health care.
Because we've discussed them.
And if they follow our plan, we can help the American people.
All right, so we're gonna help them out.
Kellyanne Conway will also react to that.
Also, Dr. Sebastian Gorka and media freaking out over, oh, the big dinner that Merkel had and and Trump talked to Putin.
And I got a mini monologue on Hollywood Hate and Rosie O'Donnell and Lou Dobbs tonight, 10 Eastern on the Fox News Channel.
Set you DBR, and we'll be back here tomorrow.
Thanks for being with us.
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