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Ah, happy Monday.
It's one of those days when you come on the air and I've been thinking and thinking and thinking and reading and writing and arithmetic all day long, and I'm just chomping at the bit to get on the air all weekend.
And I still don't think that I'm I'm going to be able to concisely impart to you all that I'm thinking and all that I feel and all that is going on and all that is not being reported.
And it is it's a certain challenge on the one hand, and on the other hand, it's a certain level of frustration.
I need a 10-hour show today.
Let me start with this.
Oh, Lordy.
Lordy Lordy Lordy.
I wish I was strong enough to get up and walk away.
I just wasn't strong.
I'm the FBI director and I'm fighting terrorism, but I feel I was very weak.
It was a very weak moment of mine.
Lordy James Comey, who predicted this on day one.
10 million dollar book payday coming.
Publishers scrambling to sign a book deal with the fired FBI chief for his inside story on Hillary Clinton and Trump and his own brush with death when he was a kid.
Okay.
That all coming out.
What a shocker.
I'm not shocked at all.
And by the way, it's just wrong.
I said the only thing missing, then they talked about the movie.
Then they talked about the miniseries.
The only thing that's missing from this narrative is his contributorship for MSNBC Black Helicopter Television.
And Tin Foyle had conspiracy television.
Now we have a Ninth Circuit ruling against Trump and the travel ban again.
Shocker after you go judge shopping.
There's nothing this president is ever going to do that is judge shopped to the Ninth Circuit that is ever going to work for them.
Ever.
Just might as well just just take it right to the Supreme Court as we had discussed, and we'll get to that.
Now we've got to hit today the media angle of everything.
Even Chris Matthews' acknowledgment that, oh, all evidence of collusion doesn't exist.
Does he even watch his own network?
We'll get to that.
Then we have on top of that the double standard as it relates to Loretta Lynch and Hillary Clinton.
Real obstruction of justice.
Then we've got to get into the whole issue of the independent counsel and Robert Mueller as he's now assembling, you know, a who's who of killer attorneys who are now going to be in the process of justifying their purpose and existence, even though they're starting out knowing that there's no collusion.
And it reminds me of exactly what happened in the case of Patrick Fitzgerald.
And then what happened to Scooter Libby three years later.
And the near indictment of Carl Rove.
And the perjury traps that are going to be set down the road for however many people.
Oh, well, you've I got this little paper, and and and ten years ago on this date, you said you didn't.
And you did.
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot.
Whoops, not good enough.
Perjury.
It is really scary in these times.
I said this, a friend of mine's in the FBI, and I we were having a long conversation one night.
We were talking about, You know, Martha Stewart and Denny Hastert and those cases where they never get the to the underlying crime.
They always get in trouble for lying to the FBI.
And I said, You know me, you know I'm a big law enforcement guy.
I love my country.
I love law enforcement.
I love everything about government in terms of our security, our military.
I think our intelligence gathering is vital to the safety and security of this country, not deep state stuff that ends up surveilling Americans and weaponizing the intelligence intelligence gathering in this country and then a masking Americans and not minimizing conversations when people are incidentally picked up,
and then, of course, leaking intelligence like they did to General Flynn, which was just a hundred thousand percent wrong and illegal and a violation of the Espionage Act.
And all I see happening here is Robert Mueller seems to be highly a huge, massive conflict of interest, and he's starting out knowing the answer that there is no collusion, that there is no obstruction.
What did we learn from Comey last week?
All you'd have to do is pull out Comey's testimony on obstruction.
Uh, and it says, nope, Trump actually said that it would be a good thing if we were able to find out if any of his satellites, any people around him, could be involved in any collusion.
That doesn't sound like obstruction.
Of course, Trump was never under investigation, except, you know, if you go back to the May 2nd testimony that Comey gave to Congress, and boy, he made it sound an awful like like an awful lot like Trump was under investigation.
And then you got a question, you know, if there's no obstruction, he and Trump encouraging the investigation, no investigation of Trump to begin with, zero evidence of collusion.
We have a long montage that keeps getting longer, Joe Manchin again this weekend.
And then you've got Comey leaking to the special counsel, who it turns out is one of his best friends for the very purpose of leaking to the New York Times was to get a special counsel appointed.
Then it turns out to be one of his best friends.
Then it turns out that he might have consulted, colluded, consulted, colluded, with Robert Mueller about his testimony.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
And remember, Richard Armitage was the leaker as a related, what is the Valerie Plain issue or whatever, years ago.
And he knew on day one who it was.
But that doesn't stop these special counsels for justifying their existence and mission creep or investigative creep, where they just move to this issue, to this issue, to this issue, to this issue.
And I'm watching Robert Mueller hire a team of killer attorneys.
These guys aren't going in for no reason at all.
They're going in to find something.
And if you can't find anything, and I guess at the end of the day, then somebody's gonna not remember something, up perjury.
And my FBI friend and the eye were talking, I'm saying, so I'm a guy that loves the FBI.
I'm a guy that sticks up for law enforcement more than anybody else that I know in media, that loves police officers, loves law enforcement, has deep, deep respect for all that they do, and you're telling me that if the FBI comes to my house, you're basically saying to me, don't talk to them.
Even if I can help them for fear and he said, absolutely not, never.
And they said, What if my attorney's there?
Never.
And I said, You're kidding me.
So I who love law enforcement and being told by law enforcement that if I do, I'm putting myself in jeopardy for trying to do the right thing and help people and answer questions because I love my country.
That's insane that we're creating a system like this.
Anyway, so now Robert Mueller, in my view, is conflicted in this case.
But on top of all of that, Speaker Gingrich said it this weekend that it's it's very clear that Comey hates President Trump, and he's made it known and by leaking the information, which by the way, I'll get into his violation of law potentially in and of itself because it's government property and a violation of the records act.
And he also, you know, Newt's right in saying that we we better abolish the independent counsel established by the Department of Justice to look into the conclusion considering there's no collusion.
You know, and the most amazing thing I see here is that Comey, you know, what is going on here is gonna have a lot of repercussions because he admitted fully, I think, and boast about it that he did all of this by leaking to the New York Times, which is illegal, based on my interpretation and the interpretation of many lawyers.
We'll have two of them on at the top of the next hour, including the counsel for the president, uh Jay Sekulo, outside counsel, and and Greg Jarrett, my colleague at Fox.
But think about the ramifications that Mueller and Comey colluding, Comey trying to get a special counsel, it ends up being his best friend.
And we know Comey hates the president.
What?
To set up the pressure to get the independent council.
And it's very clear Comey continues to hate Trump.
And I think Congress better get their ass together and act together, and they better go out there and abolish this independent council because this is going to go on just like Patrick Fitzgerald and hamper, which is what the left has always wanted here.
Make no mistake what this is about.
They've never been able to accept Donald Trump as the duly elected president of the United States.
And they're still in a state of shock.
And they've done everything humanly possible as it relates to the president to delegitimize him.
And at the worst case scenario for the left is stop him and his tracks from being successful and implementing his agenda and draining the swamp and building the wall.
By the way, we now see the Senate parliamentarian has okayed the reconciliation vote and Obamacare repeal is now expected by the Fourth of July.
That's some good news.
The economy has a lot of good news today.
But they don't want Trump to appoint another Supreme Court justice.
They don't want America to be inde uh energy independent.
They don't want a border wall built Republicans and Democrats.
They don't want vetting of people that come from countries that practice sharia that are bigoted and prejudiced towards women that kill gays and lesbians and persecute Christians and Jews.
Why vetting that is even controversial is beyond me.
But apparently it is.
And, you know, I think the idea that we what do we learn about Comey?
We learned that there's no obstruction.
He knew it.
That Trump encouraged the investigation to move forward.
Nobody in the administration discouraged him from continuing the investigation.
That Trump was never himself a target of investigation, but he wouldn't say it publicly.
That there's no collusion with Russia, which is where everything from that is predicated on the idea that we now got to move forward and have a special counsel.
And Comey leaking to, you know, to the New York Times for the very purpose of getting his special counsel.
That turns out is his friend.
That turns out helped him with his testimony.
And then when you again, I said last week, you can't look at this in a vacuum or in a bubble.
And then you compare it.
Was it not obstruction of justice for Loretta Lynch to get on a plane on a tarmac and talk alone with Bill Clinton before she's making her decision on Hillary Clinton?
Or Loretta Lynch saying, well, Mr. Comey, don't call this an investigation.
We're going to call it a matter because that's what the campaign wants.
This is really a matter.
Really?
Okay, is it not the purposeful mismanagement?
Is it not gross negligence in the in the case he said extremely careless that Hillary was extremely careless?
Well, the law says you can't be, you know, gross negligence, gross negligence and extremely careless are the same thing.
And the fact that Hillary Parks are top secret classified special access program on a mom and pop shop bathroom closet.
Well, of course, what she's trying to do there is over, you know if that is not mishandling of classified information, what would be or the destruction of 33,000 emails?
What what is that?
If not her on her part destroying evidence, number one, and number two, destroying classified information.
She doesn't get to decide that.
So there's a lot in play here.
And there's so much so much more to get to.
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James Coleman, I think one of the more stunning things to come out of last week is I'm just not strong enough.
I should have gotten if I was stronger, I might have gotten up, but I'm I think he I think he I think he I'm gonna be honest, he broke me.
He broke me.
And then I was like, no, this isn't right.
It's just not right.
This isn't right, Kathy Griffin.
It's wrong.
It's just wrong.
By the way, where's that Soros Clinton funded group on Bill Maher using the N-word?
Which by the way, we don't support.
And so many people, did you notice that I didn't want the guy from CNN fired?
I think he's vile, disgusting.
We don't call for firings on this show.
You know why?
And I actually somebody was very angry with me on Twitter and I wrote this guy.
He seemed like a nice guy.
And no, we gotta do this.
I'm like, we have the power.
You have the power, you have the control.
Hit the on off switch.
Change the dial.
Nobody's making listen, I wish I could.
I'd make, you know, it is 10 p.m.
Eastern, 7 o'clock West Coast time.
We are here to monitor that you are watching Hannity on Fox.
It is now 12 to 3 on the West Coast, three to six on the East Coast.
You must listen three hours a day, every day, or we shall do something very dangerous.
I mean, it just doesn't happen that way.
Wouldn't it be great if I could just, you know, push a button and it beep, everyone gets a shock.
Reminder, listening to Hannity.
Reminder, watch Hannity, and then if they don't, all of a sudden beep, beep, beep, beep.
You know.
We'll shock every.
I know I'm a little nuts today.
Will you stop?
I think it's funny.
You can't make people listen.
You know, all those years Howard Stern came under fire.
I always defended Howard.
Leave Howard alone.
You don't want to listen to Howard, don't listen.
Don't listen.
A lot of people like Howard.
So, you know, those people should be allowed to listen what they like to listen to.
It's very entertaining.
Same when I miss people don't want to listen to IMAS.
Notice the same group got I miss fired for using, you know, horrible language.
I must apologize.
Bill Moore apologized.
I actually watched, I know you're going to think this was horrible.
I actually thought.
I watched Michael Eric Dyson and um Ice Cube, I guess, or whatever.
No, no, you're gonna I'm telling you, I'm right here.
By not firing him and having an honest discussion, I actually think it was helpful.
Because these guys were straight up.
What you did is disgusting and wrong.
And, you know, is I just I thought he got it.
That's my own personal take.
But in this society, you don't get a chance to revise and extend your remarks or or truly introspectively ponder something stupid you say and really try to make it right.
Hey, where's all that stuff you told me was coming?
Not out yet.
I didn't see it.
It's that bad, huh?
We'll continue.
All right, 25 till the top of the hour.
I I don't know how the media is just gonna continue down this road now that we know so much about this case.
How do they continue their black helicopter theories when there was no obstruction, the president encouraged the investigation, as did his entire team.
That there was never an investigation into him.
That there's no collusion whatsoever, we learned.
None.
We have more people this weekend.
I'll get into it, I'll play it again.
I'll play, I'll play the montage.
It gets longer and longer and longer and longer and longer about all of this.
And, you know, and then Comey leaks to get a special counsel to the New York Times, and he gets one of his best friends.
And the media continues with collusion, Russia, Trump collusion.
I'm not picking on Rachel Mannow.
But I'm actually doing a segment tonight on her.
I I look, I don't watch her show.
I Greta told me she's a nice person.
And if Greta says it, it's true.
I mean, I believe Greta.
And I've known Greta for years, and she says, no, she's actually a very nice person, is a true believer.
And by the way, I can accept true believers.
Like, I mean, honestly, I can deal with her and Lawrence O'Donnell.
No, no.
Don Lemon, they believe what they're saying.
They're, I think they're sincere in their beliefs.
And then you watch this liberal Joe guy.
I mean, calling the president a schmuck.
And you know, and the, you know, him and Mika, oh, it's so bad for the country.
The drama and the unhinged emotionalism every day.
And I just don't think he has any core whatsoever.
I can deal with the fact that Rachel's a liberal.
Okay, fine.
It's a free country.
Go be a liberal.
Lawrence O'Donnell saying he's I totally get.
I've met Lawrence.
I've met um Don Lemon.
In real life, they're nice people.
We're a very it's a small industry.
I have nothing against them at all.
But if we're going to talk about and accuse conservatives of conspiracy theories, and you get the most whacked out ones ever, I'm sorry, but I you gotta somebody's gotta point it out.
This is off the hook unhinged stuff, and we'll chronicle some of it tonight.
There was one Democrat, pretty influential one at that, Diane Feinstein calling for an independent congressional investigation and allegations that the former attorney general Loretta Lynch tampered with the investigation into Hillary Clinton's illegal email server.
Anyway, let's uh I got the tape from this weekend.
Let's felt it clearly that Loretta Lynch was giving cover to the Clinton campaign.
Uh was she?
I can't answer that.
I would have a queasy feeling too, though, to be candid with you.
Um I think we need to know more about that.
And there's only one way to know about it, and that's to have the Judiciary Committee take a look at that.
Oh, have the judiciary you think.
And by the way, I I really believe we need an investigation into the investigator, meaning the FBI director.
How do you have such overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence and even an acknowledgement that Hillary Clinton was extremely careless by putting the email server in the mom and pop shop bathroom closet when the legal standard is gross negligence?
What is the difference between gross negligence and extreme carelessness?
There is no difference.
He was admitting that she violated, committed felonies and violated the law.
And then, of course, mishandling of classified material, destruction of classified material.
That would be erasing all those emails.
I mean, look, you've got to understand it, you cannot look at this whole thing in a bubble.
This is not a snapshot here.
It's it's not an isolated incident.
It is James Comey's application of the law and a double standard.
One standard for the Clintons and one standard for you and me and the rest of us.
Clearly, Hillary Clinton needed to have a grand jury put forward.
And for the record, statute of limitations have not gone away.
I think one of the more stunning things I saw over the weekend is that Hillary Clinton still actually has her security clearance after all of the.
How is that possible?
You know, the mainstream media, the double standard on obstruction of justice.
You know, remember Obama sat down.
She was careless in terms of managing email.
That's just carelessness that she has owned, and she recognizes her carelessness.
Well, the legal standard is gross negligence.
And everybody says extreme carelessness, thinking that they've thread that needle perfectly.
president says here's what I know.
Hillary Clinton is an outstanding Secretary of State.
She would never intentionally put Americans in any kind of jeopardy.
Well, 99% certainty that five foreign intelligence agencies got her top secret classified special access program information from the mom and pop shop bathroom closet because it was not secure.
Well, that put us all in jeopardy.
That's why that's why we have these laws to protect the American people.
And by the way, it was Obama's Department of Justice, not the Russians who try to influence elections.
I.e.
Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.
Crying out loud.
She's kept her security clearance a year after the FBI concluded she was reckless.
And extreme carelessness took place.
I think this Diane Feinstein issue is much bigger than anybody's thinking on the Democratic side.
She holds a lot of weight.
And I actually tip my hat to her for being somewhat honest.
Good for her.
Now I want to go into some legal stuff here, but we're going to have Greg Jarrett, my colleague at the Fox News Channel.
He's done some great work on all this.
And our friend, the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, Jay Seculow, is now also an attorney for the president.
And we're going to get into this whole issue about the law and whether or not James Comey violated the law.
18 U.S. Code 4, if he had any thought that obstruction of justice.
Remember what he said, oh, I was stunned.
Why didn't you get up and leave?
Why didn't you just inform the president that maybe you think the conversation's inappropriate?
Because probably the president who never served in political office probably doesn't have a clue about what's appropriate, what's not appropriate.
And if and if he says, you know, you're working for me now, that probably means, you know, you're not working for Obama anymore, right?
You're on my team.
Not thinking, okay, there's this wall that's supposed to exist between the FBI.
You know, where's common sense applied to the law here?
And knowing the president as well as I did, he didn't have a clue.
I'm telling you.
Well, he should.
All right, so call me 18 U.S. 4.
If he thought there was obstruction, I was stunned.
I was shocked.
I didn't know what to do.
I I frankly, if I was a little stronger, I should have gotten up.
He wasn't strong enough to get up.
Well, you knew the law.
And then he's asked the question, well, is it obstruction of justice?
That's for Robert Mueller to decide.
He may have implicated himself, 18 U.S. Code 4.
Because if he thought there was any possibility at all of obstruction of justice, he had a legal responsibility, and I'll use the words in the statute to immediately tell the Department of Justice.
And it doesn't matter if he thinks that that Pete uh that Senator Sessions is going to recuse himself in three weeks or one of his underlings is only there temporarily.
That's not in the statute.
That says he must immediately say something.
Now he's saying, I don't know.
Okay, but he got his best friend now to be the special counsel, which was the purpose for the leaking.
Now, there's also 18 U.S. Code 641.
Let me read it to you.
The Federal Records Act, records management regulations at the DOJ and the FBI state that anything done in the course and scope of government employment is the property of the government, not the employee.
In other words, when you come out of Trump Tower and a government car and a government computer, and you put your notes while you're being paid, that's the property of the government, not the New York Times, which apparently leaked while he was the before the tweet by Trump.
And the memo was not Comey's to keep personally, not Comey's to give to the New York Times.
And it's a crime.
Pay close attention, Comey crime.
For any employee like Comey to convert government property, The memo typed out in the government car on the government computer on government time.
It is a crime to use for his own for his own personal use.
Because 18 U.S. Code 641 makes it a felony to steal, to sell, to convey.
I would say leaking to the New York Times fits under the convey category to someone outside the government.
That's precisely what Comey did by giving it to his friend to give to the New York Times by his own acknowledgement, wanted to leak, so he'd get a special counsel.
On top of that, he's got a non disclosure contract.
And he promises he will not disclose the very kind of information he leaked.
And he did so, well, that would subject him to criminal sanctions and a lawsuit for money damages.
It doesn't matter if he's no longer with the FBI.
It's binding and it's an enforceable contract.
As my friend Greg Jarrett pointed out in his piece today, well, one of two pieces he has out this weekend.
Now, he's also conflicted and in terms of his relationship with Mueller.
Now, the law governing special counsel, by the way, 28 CFR 600.7, several other statutes, regulations prohibit him from serving, meaning Mueller, if he has a conflict of interest.
Well, it's a conflict if he has a close relationship with a witness.
Comey is now a witness.
The two men are BFF.
And according to agents, they were joined at the hip at the Department of Justice and FBI and handling several cases together.
Apparently they had a mentor protege relationship, as Greg Jarrett says.
And if the obstruction probe becomes a contest between the credibility of Comey versus Trump, well, who do you think Mueller's going to believe?
It's not going to be Trump.
He's going to believe his protege, his BFF, his drinking buddy.
I don't know, whatever buddy.
Even the appearance of a conflict is sufficient under the law for accusal.
Mueller needs to go.
For that reason alone.
How can we in the public be assured the investigation's going to be fair and impartial?
Look, this is not good because Mueller's bringing in every killer shark attorney he can that wants to justify their existence and show they're tougher than Patrick Fitzgerald.
I'm telling you how it works.
Investigative creep now is going to become a word I'll be using often on the program.
Get used to it.
We know there's no collusion, so what are they going to be investigating?
Anything and everything but.
They should shut it down now, just like Patrick Fitzgerald should have shut it down when he knew that Richard Armitage was the guy that leaked the information.
Now, Comey also has an issue he may have lied under oath.
He answered on the question of, you know, under oath that asked if he received Jeff Sessions recusal in a memo.
Come answered under oath, no.
Hours later, the DOJ released that very memo, sent to Comey.
And the DOJ claims it has evidence that he read it.
Whoops.
Whoops said the perjury trap right there.
Exactly what Mueller's going to end up doing because that's all they'll get out of this.
Because there is no collusion.
We're starting out with no collusion.
And so Trump's alleged words, they don't have to constitute an obstruction of judge.
The raw law requires a corrupt act.
The statute specifically defines corrupt as one of five acts, threats.
He wasn't threaten anybody.
He didn't bribe anybody.
He didn't lie.
He didn't destroy evidence, and he didn't conceal or alter documents.
By the way, all the things Hillary did.
This is a great irony here.
And the Supreme Court has defined a corrupt act more narrowly as depraved, wicked and evil.
Compassion for Flynn is not depraved, wicked and evil.
And then I can add one other thing here.
Back to Jarrett's new column.
Are Mueller and Comey now acting in concert as a special co-counsel?
I would argue the answer is yes.
Now do you realize everything we're going through here?
And I know it gets complicated as I knew it would, but it's it's not that hard to follow.
Everything here, nobody in the media is talking about.
I don't even know people, I I don't know anybody that's talking about it.
This is so deep, so profound, and so screwed up that I really worry that this effort to delegitimize, prevent a president from fulfilling his promises in a duly held election, undermining him every step of the way, this is a clear and present danger to our country.
This is not a game.
And nobody in the media cares to talk.
They're too busy with their black helicopter theories.
All right, Jay Sekulo and Greg Jarrett at the top of the hour.
I'm going to spend the whole hour with them on the legal issues I just raised.
All right.
So that you'll have an understanding that I don't think anyone else will give you in radio and TV.
No, Levin, the great one will.
That's about it.
So if the media is successful in stopping the Trump agenda, which is the foundation for a lot of this.
So let's see, since the president's inauguration, the job creation index has measured by Gallup has been near now at record highs.
Oh, and by the way, the Senate parliamentarian has okay the reconciliation vote, Obamacare repeal in the Senate now, expected by the Fourth of July.
And by the way, the Trump travel ban is already working despite all their efforts to stop it in the Ninth Circuit.
And by the way, this Washington Times, Trump is the last chance we got.
They're successful in stopping him.
Good luck to all of us.
It's not going to be good at all.
And by the way, uh more coal mining jobs than ever.
Oh, first time in years, thank God for them.
They need him.
We'll continue.
He felt it clearly that Loretta Lynch was giving cover to the Clinton campaign.
Uh was she?
I can't answer that.
I would have a queasy feeling too, though, to be candid with you.
Um I think we need to know more about that.
And there's only one way to know about it, and that's to have the Judiciary Committee take a look at that.
I'm getting queasy, and I don't feel very strong, and oh, it makes me nauseous, and I'm the FBI director.
If I only been stronger, I could have stood up and walked out on him, but it was so hard on me, I couldn't believe it.
Anyway, 800 nine four-one Sean, if you want to be a part of the program and the extravaganza.
So many different issues now in play.
Did James Comey himself break the law?
In other words, we went over 18 USC four, and did he have an obligation if he thought there was obstruction to report it to the Justice Department, regardless if he thought weeks later that there was a possibility that Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, would recuse himself.
Then we bring in another law into the mix, which is actually getting even more fascinating, and that is his admission that he leaked to the to the New York Times and whether or not he broke the law there, and very specifically 18 U.S. Code 641 that would make a felony to steal or sell or convey any of these materials under the Federal Records Act and records management regulations at the DOJ and FBI.
Anything done in the course and scope of government government employment is property of the government, not the employee.
Wow.
And then of course is admission that, yeah, he's best friends with Robert Mueller, who's now the special counsel, and apparently Robert Mueller assisted and was helping James Comey prior to his testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee last week.
This is getting way beyond control.
And whether or not this special counsel at this point in time, now that we learn that there was no Trump Russia collusion, even Chris Matthews believes it.
If the whole thing should go away, reminds me a lot of what happened, Patrick Fitzgerald, and he knew on day one who the leaker was.
Richard Armitage.
And yet he continued, and then they broadened the scope of the investigation.
It goes on for years and years and years.
And and God forbid, if you don't remember every single solitary detail, well, that's called the perjury trap, and you're gonna you're gonna be prosecuted for perjury like Scooter Libby and lose your law license and have your name and reputation, you know, smeared and besmirched forever.
Ray Donovan, where do I go to get my good name back?
All right, here to analyze all of this.
Jay Sekulo, he's the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, my friend and colleague at the Fox News Channel, Greg Jarrett, uh, who is a lawyer in and of his own right, and uh both of them have been all over all of these legal issues that Comey should be facing.
Welcome both of you to the program today.
How are you doing?
Doing great, Sean.
I'm Fine.
All right, Jay, let's start with you.
Let's talk about the legal ramifications for Comey's testimony last week and this relationship with Mueller.
Well, I think look, I mean you you you talked about 18 USC 641 and this idea that that what the former FBI director did while he was the FBI director was to take minutes, basically, notes of a meeting.
If he was an FBI j uh agent, he'd be filling out what's called a a Form 302.
He takes this is a meeting with the President of the United States.
So I'm I would assume to start this is under executive privilege, deliberative discussions with the president is covered by privilege.
Of course he doesn't worry about that.
He takes the document, makes a document on his government computer while he's in his government vehicle, goes back and puts it in his government office.
He holds it.
He does this in February, by the way.
He releases it to a friend of his, as we know the story goes now from James Comey's own mouth, to a friend of his with the sole purpose not to review it for content and and uh and grammar, to leak it to the New York Times.
Because he said, Lordy, when I saw the tweet from President uh Trump, I figured I have to have some kind of some way that I've had this memorialized.
And by the way, the contents of that memorandum, the the t subject matter of the the memorandum, the dinner, the meeting, was already leaked in the New York Times the day before the tweet.
And he leaks it then for the sole purpose of getting a special counsel, which lo and behold, we have a special counsel.
Then ask yourself this question.
If an FBI agent was interviewing uh a potential uh government official or someone else and leaked that memo of the investigation details, let's say against Hillary Clinton to the New York Times, how would that be received?
It'd be perceived as a two FBI gents showing up at your door asking you a lot of questions because not only of 18 USC six forty one, but possibly uh twenty-eight USC five thirty five, which is another section that may be in play.
We'll talk about that one later, and then Greg's done an unbelievable job on on 18 USC four, which of course is the fundamental issue with this whole obstruction of justice nonsense in the first place.
All right, by the way, I should note that I I guess as of late last week, you're you're now a counsel for the president, Jay.
Is that fair or yes, I'm on the legal team.
Okay.
Um so let me let me go to you, Greg.
You did do great work.
Both of you have done great work here, and I really applaud your deep dive.
Let me start with 18 USC four.
Now, what was amazing, I think, in that testimony of Comey is Comey basically I can't say whether or not he obstructed justice.
That's up to Robert Mueller to decide.
And I said to myself, Oh my God, he literally just created an avenue where he himself has opened up a door about whether or not he violated the law.
Yeah, your interpretation's absolutely correct.
I mean, i he could not, Comey, answer the question which was posed, which was uh, did you think at the time that the words were allegedly uttered by the president that he was attempting to obstruct justice?
If Comey said yes, why why then he's incriminating himself because he has a legal duty under federal statute to report it to the Department of Justice?
But Greg feeling to do so is a crime.
All right, that is clear.
The law is is just clear as day.
But the question is, if he says, I don't know, that means he had to think it's a possibility.
And and then you go into why didn't you, you know, Diane Feinstein's quote, why didn't you just explain it to him?
Why didn't you just get up and walk out and I'm too afraid?
I don't know.
I'm uh I was scared.
He said if I was stronger, I would have.
Maybe I could should have.
That's a good question, he said.
If I was stronger, perhaps I would have.
By the way, I said this on on on with you last week, but I've thought about that a lot lately.
I mean, this is a guy that, as you say, gets mildly nauseous, unsettled, and in this particular case, what does he say?
Well, he says, you know, I'm uh I'm really upset about all of this, and uh if I was stronger, I could have done that.
This was a guy that was also running the FBI's because he was the director, counterintelligence against groups like ISIS.
Is this the guy you want out there doing this?
I mean, I would think that he was fired for cause in that sense, but putting the legal thing issues uh squarely.
The idea if he thought there was an obstruction of justice, which he acknowledged there's not.
I mean, let's not for everyone's focusing on what James Comey said for two and a half hours at that hearing.
But let's not forget his written submission to the committee, which Sean is part of the record, and where he said, I did not feel that the president was putting any pressure or obstructing anything on the Russia probe.
And I did tell the president three times that he had not been and was not subject of an investigation.
And the of certainly the Michael Flynn allegations, and again, it's just it's just Jim Comey's version of this.
Even if you took that at its word, which I wouldn't, because he's not exactly a credible witness, that's not obstruction of justice.
I talked to one of my law partners today, who is a prosecutor also.
Obstruction of justice, Greg knows it's a very high legal standard.
And the president, yeah, go ahead, Judge.
Let me just throw in here.
There are five under the statute, there are five scenarios that are specifically defined as obstruction of justice.
Uh they are lies and bribes and threats, destruction of evidence, or altering and concealing documents.
Comey alleged things.
So by definition under the law, it cannot be obstruction.
All right.
Now let's get to a question that Jay I I saw you on uh George Stephanopoulos' program this weekend on yesterday, and then I saw Newt Gingrich give an interview, and Newt said Congress should now intervene and should abolish the independent counsel.
And then you know, Byron York is raising a nice question too, an interesting question, one we raised Thursday and Friday.
Is Robert Mueller now conflicted in the Trump probe?
I'll ask you both.
Well, I want to say first uh on the issue of the the special counsel.
The predicate for the special counsel existing was supposed to be this Russia probe, right?
I mean, that was this whole idea.
So if you look at all of that as it relates to the president, there's nothing I I mean I said it in the Washington Time uh post, there's nothing there.
There's no there.
I mean, it's just it it's not there.
Now, with regard to the special counsel himself, and I uh I've got to be careful here, obviously, and I'm gonna be uh uh direct on this, as I was with George Stephanopoulos.
I don't imagine a situation coming up where this issue arises, where he's gonna be recused or the president would exercise any of his constitutional authority, because we already know the underlying action, according to the FBI director, wasn't there.
I'm not going to speculate what happens in the future.
You can.
I I can as the lawyer or one of the president's lawyers can't do that.
But there's no question that the predicate that started all of this, as it relates to the president, simply isn't there.
Okay, but I look at the team of attorneys that Mueller is now assembling Greg Jarrett.
I mean, it's a who's who of prosecutors, very serious people with pretty influent influential resumes.
Right.
And it seems to me that, you know, here we go again.
It's gonna be, you know, uh Patrick Fitzgerald all over again, three years, you know, perjury trap set down the line, and they they'll get nobody on the underlying crime because Patrick Fitzgerald knew on day one, but they'll find some perjury trap for somebody someplace.
Yeah, everybody wants a special counsel until they get one.
And then it is a complete debacle and morass.
I just finished a new column uh and Sean, I sent it to you a few minutes ago.
You probably haven't been able to read it, obviously.
But it is entitled, Are Muller and Comey now acting in concert as co-special counsel?
And I think they are.
I mean, look, these guys are thick as thieves.
They are longtime friends and colleagues.
Uh Comey regards his predecessor as a mentor, Mueller considers Comey his protege.
Uh, if you look at the statutes on special counsel, it demands that Mueller uh opt out as uh a conflict of interest.
Or a must disqualify.
And I want to keep you both here.
You guys are brilliant, and this is fascinating to me.
We're gonna keep you for the full hour.
Uh Jay Sekulo, American Center for Law and Justice, Greg Jarrett, my uh friend and and colleague and legal analyst at the Fox News Channel, stay right there boldly.
All right, as we continue our two Sean Hannity show, toll free, our telephone numbers, 800 941 Sean.
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And Coulter's just livid over James Comey's testimony and Robert Mueller is the special counsel.
We'll get to her at the top of the next hour.
Uh, but Jay Seculo and Greg Jarrett, Greg, all right, Jay, I want you to respond to Greg's column.
Well, I think look, Greg raises the issue of the standards that are actually inside the professional responsibility sections within the Department of Justice as well.
And there's this so there is this issue which every every prosecutor, every U.S. attorney, every member of the Department of Justice has to follow.
And you have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, even the appearance of impropriety.
So again, I'm not cast I can't, and I'm not going to cast Any dispersions on anyone here.
But I will say that these are issues that I'm sure the special counsel is going to have to look at.
Because he, for instance, if there was an investigation on the leak of what James Comey did, could that be done by uh the special counsel, or does that now have to go to another part of the Department of Justice because of their relationship?
So all of those issues come into play, as they would in any case when you're involved with the government and a process and an investigation.
This so this is not unique to this, but obviously because of what we're dealing with and what you're dealing with here, which is the uh uh this probe, this investigation, or maybe it's a matter, uh, as it used to be called, that uh all of these issues come into play, as Greg said.
I think that's it's all of that is relevant and real.
All right, let me let me go back to your column, Greg.
Are Mueller and Comey now acting in concert as uh co-special counsel?
Now, Comey wanted the special counsel.
He leaked to get the special counsel.
The special counsel is one of his best friends, and apparently he consulted Mueller before he actually gave testimony last week.
You know, the whole thing has a stench to it.
Uh it was evident at the outset that the FBI director who had been fired would be the pivotal witness in any potential obstruction of justice investigation by Mueller, his close friend.
So e it was incomprehensible that Rod Rosenstein would choose Mueller, and it was baffling that Mueller would accept the position.
And and you know, I remember the moment I heard the news, and I I literally said, Are you kidding?
And you know, it turns out it's it's not a joke.
I'm looking at the statute here on conflict of interest uh for special counsel.
You cannot serve if you quote have a personal relationship with any person substantially involved in the conduct that's the subject of the investigation.
Well, Comey is that person.
He he's the only person who was in on the conversation with President Trump at the White House.
Uh so there are no other witnesses b beyond him.
He is the key star pivotal witness, and he is close friends with the man who is the special counsel.
I mean, they this is just a no-brainer.
How come only that I know of on cable TV or that I know of in the media?
How come we're the only three people screaming it from a rooftop and nobody else seems to have picked up on this?
They they just keep going, Jay, with oh, obstruction, collusion.
Of e even though collusion was blown out of the water by James Comey.
Well, the the reason they're going with all these other theories is because exactly what you just said, and that is collusion is done as far as the president and any and and this whole investigation going.
What do we know?
We know that the and then this is where we need to see what is the focus of what the special counsel is going to do, because the special counsel's mandate includes and matters related there too.
So it's it it becomes this broad scope.
And would that include, for instance, the James Comey leak?
And if it it would, it should.
Can the special counsel do it because of their relationship?
Or does it have to go now to someone else within the Justice Department?
But there because, as I said, there's no there.
I mean, and if you look at the underlying of what started all of this, James Comey acknowledged the President was not, is not under investigation.
He acknowledged that there was no obstruction with regard to the Russian collusion investigation.
And the only thing I mean, if they're gonna it's impossible for me to believe that they're gonna make an obstruction of justice case out of the idea that I hope and and again, the president didn't say he said that this is only James Comey's testimony.
All right, stay stay right there.
I gotta hold you guys over.
Um and we're gonna do a little deeper dive in the next half hour into the laws governing the special counsel.
Also, the president not only didn't obstruct, but he actually encouraged Comey to move further.
Um also the issue of the the tapes, which uh I have my own theory on it, just a guess that if if Donald Trump didn't say that there were tapes, I doubt Comey would have been as forthcoming as he was.
And I think it forced him to be more honest than he would otherwise be.
I'll explain that when we get back more with Greg Jarrett, Fox News Channel, legal analyst, Jay Seculow, American Center for Law and Justice, 800 941 Sean is on number, and Coulter at the top of the next hour.
Uh but Mr. Clapper then went on to say that to his knowledge there was no evidence of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians.
We did not conclude any evidence in our report.
And when I say our report, that is the NSA, FBI, and CIA with my office, the Director of National Intelligence had anything, any reflection of collusion between the members of Trump campaign and the Russians.
There was no evidence of that in our report.
Was Mr. Clapper wrong when he said that?
I think he's right uh about characterizing the report, which y you all have read.
We did not include any evidence in our report.
And I say our that's NSA FBI and CIA with my office, the director of National Intelligence that had anything that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians?
There was no evidence of that included in in our report.
Can you say definitively that there was collusion?
There were people affiliated with the Trump campaign who were working with Russians to time the release of damaging information about Hillary Clinton that had been that had been hacked either from John Fodesta or the DNC?
I don't think we can say anything definitively at this point.
Have you seen anything, either intelligence briefings through intelligence briefings, anything to back up any of the accusations that you made?
They have the documentation that they did the hacking.
The hacking.
On the DNC.
Right.
And on some of us, you know, that had to be.
But the collusion, though.
No, we have not.
Do you have evidence that there was in fact collusion between Trump associates and Russia during the campaign?
Not at this time.
Have you seen anything that suggests any collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign?
Well, there's an awful lot of smoke there, let's put it that way.
People that might have said they were involved, to what extent they were involved, to what extent the president might have known about these people or whatever.
There's nothing there from that standpoint that we have seen directly linking uh our president to any of that.
Did evidence exist of collusion, coordination, conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian state actors at the time you learned of 2016 efforts.
I don't know whether or not such collusion, that's your term, such collusion existed.
I don't know.
The big questions, of course, is is there any evidence of collusion you have seen yet?
Is there?
There is a lot of smoke.
We have no smoking gun at this point, but there is a lot of smoke.
Do you agree with this conclusion that the president has reached that there was no evidence of collusion?
You know, we haven't seen any of that whatsoever, George.
Uh we've been looking and showing everything that uh they possibly have.
Uh that has not led to that.
Uh we have uh ultimate uh all of us have the utmost respect for uh Bob Mueller, both on the Democrat and Republican side.
I believe he's gonna do his job thoroughly.
Uh we will accept his recommendation and path for pathway forward, and I think that's extremely important that we all agree this is the right person at the right time to do this type of work.
All right, 28 off four now till the top of the hour.
So for ten months, for ten months, you have had entire cable networks advancing collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion, black helicopter theories, and tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, with zero evidence.
Even Maxine Waters and Diane Feinstein, Joe Manchin again this weekend said it.
And Mark Warren.
Well, there's smoke, but there's certainly no fire, there's no evidence of collusion, none whatsoever, and then Clapper and Comey and Brennan and and Rogers and everybody else in between.
No evidence of collusion.
Now, we also learned last week there was no s obstruction, as a matter of fact, just the opposite.
That Donald Trump did not try to stop the investigation.
Said it would be a good thing if we did find out that people, if people around me, satellites around me were involved.
We need to find out the truth.
I wasn't involved, but it wasn't me.
And then, of course, so he's not he was never investigated, and Comey never told us.
No evidence of collusion.
He not only didn't obstruct, but he encouraged the investigation to move forward.
Comey leaks to the New York Times via a professor friend of his from Columbia to get a special counsel, and then he gets it, and then it's his friend, and then his friend now is is actively involved in preparing him for his his testimony last week.
And I'm thinking this all is predicated the whole special counsel issue on the idea of whether the tronald Trump and his campaign were colluding with Russia as it relates to leaking information to wiki leaks on the DNC emails.
Jay Sekulo, American Center for Law and Justice, the Chief Counsel, and Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst.
Do I about have this right, Jay?
In and if we have no collusion after ten months, and all we have is black helicopter theories, why is Mueller even there?
Well, I I don't even think it's fair to black helicopter theories to say that there's there.
I mean, this is a you know, this was a and I I'm saying this because Sean, I think that w the media is losing sight of what this was supposed to be.
People are thinking that the investigation into Russian collusion is starting with the appointment of the special counsel.
We know that's not the case.
That there's been investigations into this alleged Russian collusion matter going on for many months, and you played, and I'm glad you did, all of those people, right and left, center as well, that have said we've seen no evidence, we've seen no evidence, there is no evidence.
Clapper, I saw no evidence.
Sally Yates, a Democrat who was the acting attorney general, saw no evidence.
James Comey, no evidence.
So what are we what's going on here?
You asked yourself the deeper question, and and what I think this is, in large part, I mean, of course, you got a special counsel now, so it's got you've got to deal with that legal issue, and I'm dealing with that as one of the lawyers.
But what is really the motivating factor for the frenzy, I will call it, or the attempt at frenzy, and you know what that is?
Politics.
Media filibuster of moving legislation forward.
Legislation that you've talked about on this broadcast, tax reform, Obamacare repeal.
That's it.
Now he did the Paris uh treaty, he did that.
Uh he got a Supreme Court justice confirmed.
He's issued a a series of executive orders, not just on the uh immigration asylum issues, which by the way are up before the Supreme Court uh right now.
Briefs were doing that today.
But but even further.
So I think that we have to be uh really cognitive, uh cognizant of what is going on here, and that is this is a media filibuster.
Greg, I agree with Jay, but I even would take it a step further.
I think A, the effort has been well, and they had to get over the shock of November eighth.
Two, since that day they've even talked about impeachment.
Certainly there has been a well orchestrated group of enemies out there to delegitimize the president, undermine a duly elected president, and in a in a worst case scenario, they render him somewhat impotent in advancing his agenda in a great case scenario if you're a a radical leftist or you're in the media that colluded with Hillary, you know, you get him thrown out of office, and and that's a dream come true for these people.
Well, you know, the media has engaged in a wholesale uh mugging of the president.
Um, that should be your next column, the wholesale the media wholesale mugging of a president.
Yep.
Well, I mean, they're recklessly throwing around uh without any basis for it, allegations of collusion.
The best I can tell, the only collusion seems to be between Mueller and Comey.
Um and you know, the opportunity of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which by the way is an oxymoron, to pose questions about the.
You know, all these years we worked together, I had no idea what a wise ass you are just like me.
It's amazing.
I love it.
Well, you know, I they could have asked, any senator could have asked uh when did you meet with Mr. Mueller?
How often did you meet uh before your testimony?
Did you prepare what it is you were going to say?
Um He did admit that they did meet, right?
Yeah, he had but that's it, no follow-up questions.
You know, I mean, after all, these two are uh longtime friends and colleagues.
Um and you know, the cases that they work together are are quite notable.
I mean, they were famously involved in the in the case uh uh over Ashcroft, and then they bungled the case on the anthrax attacks, and it and so badly bungled uh that American taxpayers had to pay roughly five million dollars to a guy that they had fingered who was completely innocent.
You know, well, I I don't think we can view this, and it was a comment I made last week, Jay, in a in a vacuum or in a bubble.
We've gotta also look at Comey's conduct as it relates to Hillary Clinton.
Now he said there was no intent for Hillary Clinton when she put the email server in a mom and pop shop bathroom closet with top secret classified special access program information on it that we're 99 percent certain that at least five intelligence agencies, enemy intelligence agencies got a hold of.
But you remember the intent would be certainly, you know, even the mismanagement of classified documents in as of itself mishandling is a is a crime.
The destruction of it is a crime.
We know she committed crimes.
Loretta Lynch is another case.
Yeah, I mean well, I mean the whole thing with that whole issue of the James Comey coming out and saying what was extremely careless, which is the legal definition, by the way, of gross negligence.
I mean, so and the standard for that is gross negligence.
They they seem to have a f uh a a unbelievable capacity to change the statutes to change the law to suit the facts rather than the facts impacting the law, they just change the statute.
They they they leave sections out as if they don't exist.
And that whole stunt, and you realize that's where all of this really started, was the whole James Comey interjecting himself into the last presidential election.
I mean, Hillary Clinton still blames, let's not forget this, that Secretary Clinton still blames James Comey for her loss in the election.
She still believes that, or she's certainly still saying that.
Well, she's also saying Russia and collusion and trade.
Exactly.
So, yeah, rather than she lost because or ran a very poor campaign.
And the the fact is, and I I think again you go back to this.
Now we've created this kind of whirlwind approach to what's going on here.
And you've got all of the media, of course, you know, focusing on this.
And but I was I was a little bit impressed.
I'm rarely not impressed, but I I was impressed yesterday when uh when on ABC, and I was impressed with I thought George Stephanopoulos was very fair with me, uh, and I thought the panel's discussions afterwards were were very good.
He said the big takeaway, what he say in his opening that James Comey leaked the information.
And I want everybody again to think about what we said at the beginning.
James Comey, the then director, he did this while he was the director of the FBI.
He took those notes while he was the director of CRB.
It is a crime in my view.
18 USC 641.
All right, when we come back, I want to ask Greg on the issue of Loretta Lynch.
Because there's another issue here.
You know, well, please don't call it an investigation.
Just call it a matter.
And he listened.
And then, of course, the tarmac meeting with with Bill Clinton as we continue.
Final moments now coming up with Jay Sekulo and Greg Jarrett, and we'll get to your calls, Ann Coulter at the top of the hour.
And as we continue with Jay Sekulo, Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, Greg Jarrett, uh, my colleague and friend and Fox News legal analyst are with me.
I want to go, Greg, to you and the issue of Loretta Lynch.
How did she possibly get away with meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmac, you know, for what, 40 minutes talking about their grandkids supposedly, uh, right before she made her decision, if she did on the issue of Hillary Clinton.
And then, of course, you know, going to Comey, well, we need to get our words on the same page.
This is not an investigation.
This is a matter, which is exactly what the Hillary Clinton spin machine wanted it to be called, when in fact it was an investigation, and frankly, she should have been indicted.
Well, and it's max of collusion between the attorney general, Loretta Lynch, and Hillary Clinton and her campaign, and the meeting with Hillary Clinton's husband.
I mean, you put all of that together, and what does it look like?
It looks like Loretta Lynch might have obstructed justice.
She might have been the one who was interfering with the due administration of justice, the investigation that was undertaken by Comey into Clinton's mishandling of classified emails.
If she was trying to influence or impede uh Comey's investigation in some way, uh by insisting that he slanted uh from criminal investigation to matters.
Well, that could arguably be uh greater obstruction of justice and any of the silly stuff we're talking about uh hoping and wishing that Flynn is cleared.
You know, Sean Canada, one thing quick also, but people forget this.
In the middle of the IRS investigation, and I handled those cases.
In the middle of the IRS investigation, the president of the United States went on TV on an interview while the investigation by the Department of Justice was going on and said there's not even a smidgen of corruption.
Yeah, I mean that's the point.
I mean, come on.
Now, you know, obstruction of justice.
I mean, that's all let me tell you that that in the middle of investigation, the president says not a smidgen.
He already had the what had the evidence and they hadn't finished investigating.
So this is that's why I'm saying this is a manufactured, it's a manufactured non-existent probe.
It's manufactured in the sense that all of this how does this now go away?
I mean, are we gonna be stuck with Mueller now and black helicopter theories on TV for another two years, like or three years like Patrick Fitzgerald?
Well, my my hope and my work is that it not happened uh that long, and that this is there's they've been looking again.
I want to reiterate this is not like this is happening in a uh in a vacuum here.
This is the reality of every day.
And but I I think you got look, I never like special counsels generally.
I don't like them specifically, and I and when I say is the the whole way that at that's approached, and then the add-on and matters related there too make these things go long.
I am you know there's gonna be lawyers and lawyers working it to to to uh uh address each and every allegation that may or may not come up.
That's what lawyers do, but generally these things take time.
I think again the president's got to get back to when he is, and not getting back to the president has I mean everybody forgets it was just what a couple of weeks ago, he was in Saudi Arabia and gave a speech in front of fifty Muslim majority Muslim country leaders and said drive them out, yeah.
Drive them out.
I mean, this was major statements.
Then goes to to Israel and says if we're gonna get this out.
I got I got a role.
You guys were great for the hour.
Greg Jarrett, Fox, and Jay Sekolo, American Center for Law and Justice, and you too and Sarah Carter tonight on Hannity.
Uh we will blow this wide open.
I think one of the more powerful monologues we put together.
Ten Eastern on Fox.
Thank you both.
When we come back, the one and only Ann Coulter.
Do you agree with this conclusion that the president has reached there was no evidence of collusion?
You know, we haven't seen any of that whatsoever, George.
Uh we've been looking and showing everything that uh they possibly have.
Uh that has not led to that.
Uh we have uh ultimate uh all of us have the utmost respect for uh Bob Mueller, both on the Democrat and Republican side.
I believe he's gonna do his job thoroughly.
Uh we will accept his recommendation and path for pathway forward, and I think that's extremely important that we all agree this is the right person, the right time to do this type of work.
You saw the president's lawyer earlier in the program, Jay Seculo would not rule out the possibility that the president might in the future take action against Robert Mueller.
That'd be a mistake.
I don't know why you would take action against one of the most well thought of uh law enforcement uh persons we ever had serving an unprecedented 10 10 years, I mean 12 years.
He's gonna be on his term, even stayed longer with a unanimous uh consent unanimous vote in the Senate.
You've heard so you have a person that everyone respects and knows that he's a high, you know, he's above the above reproach.
You've also heard from the president and his allies really taking it taking after James Comey on the idea that he leaked that information to the New York Times through a friend.
Do you have any problem with that?
Well, that's concerning.
That was concerning when we heard that, you know, but I I looked at it as self-preservation.
I mean, we're in an unprecedented error, if you will, uh kind of unorthodox uh approaches to governing.
And with that, it looks like that he took whatever action he thought for self-preservation, and uh, we'll see if that rises to a level of greater concern or of any type of action needs to be taken.
And I think Bob Mueller will do an open, fair, and honest uh job on that also.
I'm not that confident.
Glad you're with us.
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One Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
Now questions being raised.
Now that James Comey ran his testimony uh before the Senate Intel Committee last week by Robert Mueller, and then we learned in this testimony last week that it was Comey who purposely leaked information to the New York Times in the hopes that he'd get a special counsel, which he got, which happened to be one of his best friends, and they've been friends for 15, 20 years now.
Now it raises the question whether or not there is any objectivity, whether or not there's a prejudice on the part of Robert Mueller because his best friend got fired by the president that he's now investigating, and whether or not there should even be an investigation at this particular point, because as Joe Manchin pointed out, among the many, many others, there's no evidence of collusion.
Just ask Maxime Waters, Diane Feinstein, Mark Warner, ask James Comey, ask uh James Clapper, ask Brennan, ask them all.
They've all said Admiral Rogers, they've all said the same thing.
Well, why are we investigating Russia collusion if we learned last week there is no Russia collusion?
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To me, this is a massive conflict of interest.
I'd love your legal take.
Uh, yes, I mean, there are so many problems with James Comey.
It's not really worth delving into his character other than to say the most honorable person can go to Washington and to have his head turned.
Oh, please call me heroic Washington Post.
Please, please, please.
There's a reason the Bible instructs us to not care about what the world thinks of us.
If you're acting heroically, God knows.
Um, but wow, one person after another in Washington goes and and all they want to do is be called honorable, a man of probity.
Um, this business about um one more quick thing.
By the way, the the ship has sailed on you and me, by the way, ever being called any of those things.
I just want you to know that.
Yeah, I couldn't think so.
Um that uh uh business about how he leaked he, James Comey, leaked the memo out of self-preservation.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Sorry, does anyone else have a nexus account?
No, he leaked the memo before Trump tweeted, you better hope there aren't tapes.
And thank God Trump sent that sent that m that tweet, um, which he was of course mercilessly attacked for at the time, because suddenly Comey had to worry whether his suck up to MSNBC leakings to to the media and these these memos um were going to be exposed by an actual tape.
Suddenly he had to lie awake at night wondering, am I going to be exposed as a total fraud?
And finally, Sean, finally, finally, finally, we get the single most crucial fact here.
The president is not under investigation.
I was reading through Comey's um May 2nd testimony last night, and oh my gosh, uh virtually every answer is him hinting that the president is under investigation.
He was asked over and over again, is the president under investigation?
Well, we now know not only was Trump not under investigation, but he kept saying to Comey, you gotta tell the public.
I'm trying to be president here.
Um and Comey refused on the insane grounds that no, I cannot make a statement about present reality because there might be a future.
Um this is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
It would be bad enough if Trump were just your average citizen um under investigation and the media is talking about, oh, the investigation, all these leaks and this private citizen, you know, Joe Blow and oh, we may have committed a murder, but he's being investigated, and the prosecutor refuses to say no, he's been cleared.
This is even worse.
This is the president of the United States.
Oh, and I might add, in that May 2nd testimony, um of Comey's, uh, Senator Blumenthal says, Can you tell us whether the president is under investigation?
Among many other he was asked this many, many times, but directly.
Directly put to him, tell us if the president is under investigation.
Comey refused to do so on the grounds that, well, if I start saying one person on i isn't under investigation, uh, well then it it it g puts me on a slippery slope.
Well, no, I think the president is a little bit different from the uh I don't know, the this a White House intern.
Um you couldn't do that.
Well, only because of that Trump tweet did we find out that Trump was um not under investigation.
At this point, there is no purpose to the independent council.
The whole reason for having an independent council is, oh, the attorney general can't properly investigate the president.
Well, the president isn't under investigation.
There's no basis for this.
In fact, thanks to these civil like leaks from this investigation, um, from the FBI, we do know who's under investigation.
Um I think I have them all in my head.
Carter Page, Paul Manafort, uh, Jared Kushner.
Am I leaving anyone out?
Okay.
Carter Page, Paul Manafort, um Page was a satellite, Mana Ford came in in the last two months.
Um none of them work at the White House now.
So maybe possibly you'd have a thin read for an independent counsel just for Jared Kushner.
Well, okay, ha how about Jared Kushner quits?
Then there's no reason whatsoever.
Um, and I don't really think there's a reason, even if Jared Kushner stays at the White House, because um well it's one thing to say Sessions isn't gonna go full bore against the president who appointed him.
Is there some special relationship between Jared Kushner and Jeff Sessions?
I don't think so.
Moreover, Sessions is the attorney general Jeff Sessions is testifying this week.
Um, and I'm just I'm already in my stomach isn't a knot, and I'm depressed because Republicans are just instinctive losers.
Um we're going to see a replay of Donald Rumsfeld apologizing for Abu Gray.
Well, that was the end of Donald Rumshelp.
That was the end.
Do not apologize, Republicans.
Jeff Sessions ought to come out swinging, say this is nonsense.
I was trying to be nice, but I am not recusing myself, and I'm firing Mueller.
I I I totally agree with you.
On every single point.
Sitting here in amazement, because that's basically my opening monologue of the program.
Not quite as articulate as you, but I try, Anne.
I try so hard every day.
Um but you know, it's really Republicans are weak.
But you've got the five enemies that the president now has.
The deep state and they're leaking.
You've got Democrats, obviously, a press that has been co-opted.
I've never seen such such black helicopter theorists in my life.
Yes, yes, and vicious, nasty.
They're like Linda Blair and the Exorcist.
It's who can say the most vulgar, horrible thing about the president.
And let me mention, they have been like this since the moment Donald Trump appeared on the scene back during the game campaign.
The media wasn't subtle.
They warned the American people, don't vote for this man, Don't vote for him.
Um this will be a disaster.
Warning, warning, warning.
And the American people said, yes, um, even so, we think we're going to vote for him.
So uh I mean, what is the downside?
Oh, and just one other small point.
Why did Jeff Sessions recuse himself?
Because he met with the Russian ambassador, which every other senator has done.
His job at the time, let's let's play this back.
He wasn't vice president.
He wasn't, you know, Stephen Miller writing the speech.
He was a senator.
He wasn't even Roger Stone, for Pete's sake.
He was his job was United States Senator.
Yes, he endorsed Donald Trump and introduced him at a few Alabama rallies.
As his full time job, United States Senator, he met with the Russian ambassador, as did a dozen Democrats.
That's what you do, as you know and have probably surely talked about.
Claire McCaskill was tweeting out about her meeting with the Russian ambassador.
Diane Feinheim, there are pictures of them all meeting with the Russian ambassador.
There is nothing improper about Jeff Sessions' meeting with the Russian ambassador.
And on that, he recuses himself and they demand a special counsel on on the false claim, which Comey allowed to to sit out there that Donald Trump himself was personally under investigation.
In fact, at this time, not only Donald Trump, but no one in the White House.
Oh, I forgot Michael Flynn.
Okay, so it's Michael Flynn, who is not at the White House, um Carter Page not at the White House, Paul Manafort not at the White House.
Most of them didn't even have anything to do with the campaign until the very, very end.
Um the only one, so the fifth one, the only one who's at the White House is the President's son in law.
Um if he leaves, there is no basis for an independent counsel.
Well, there's none whatsoever.
But now what does that mean for Republicans that they'd actually have to stand up and actually do something for once?
No, you can't count on I mean, these guys, they're the the Republicans in Congress are worse than the Democrats.
All they do is bow and scrape at the first withering look from a Democrat.
Oh my gosh, and that's so it's a mark by Paul Ryan on the I saw it.
I know it's exactly all right, stay right there.
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All right, so g s Sessions is gonna go in there tomorrow.
And Sessions did his job as Senator and the media's gonna go insane, and I assume the networks are gonna cover this.
We learned last week there is no Russia Trump collusion, but they keep repeating it.
I've never seen such lying, outright lying to the American people by the press in my life, and I'm not sure what the answer is to get them to stop and maybe for a second, you know, just try to stand true to their mission of objectivity a little bit.
Well, that's never going to happen, but it is uh a circumstance can that can be taken advantage of.
As I was arguing in the last segment, Sessions uh has got to say the entire point of having an independent counsel has evaporated with James Comey Comey's ad eventual um reluctant ad admission that Trump is not under investigation, so he's firing he's he's not recusing himself, he's firing Mueller.
Um and and okay, what w what what are the downsides here?
Well, it's the right thing to do, so that's not a downside.
Um it won't waste the president's time.
He can get back to work for the American people.
That's not a downside.
So the only possible downside is the media will be hysterical.
Uh would anyone notice the difference they've been calling for his impeachment before he was sworn in.
They have ratcheted it up so high with with uh the left trying to outdo one another in the more um vulgar terms and and violent imagery they can use toward Tr Trump uh on him as MVC last Friday.
There was an entire most of it's based on hypotheticals.
That's the part I really like about the Comey testimony, since he was forced into telling the truth because of Trump's tweet saying those conversations may have been taped.
The most they can come up with is is James Comey's interpretation, and I got the sense that, and his body language told me that.
I mean, it's at the point that he could say, and and then Trump left the room, and I I had the sense that he was robbing a bank.
And then we'd have six segments on, you know, did Trump rob a bank and what's the c what the consequences were.
On Friday on Lawrence O'Donnell, they had an entire segment on what if Trump destroyed the tapes.
So we're j We're already in never never land on what if and we must impeach him.
I think what was it?
Time magazine news.
Hey, and I could assure you, there are no tapes.
That was Trump saying I may have him to get in his head.
The truth about a few major.
I mean, the biggest one is Trump himself is not under investigation.
The other part is the truth about what he said about Michael Flynn.
I mean, it's so clear now, even in in Comey's description of it, which he is trying to make as negative as possible.
Again, if you go back on Nexus, I mean I I tend to remember these things.
Um the news at that time was that um Michael Flynn was under investigation for his contacts with Russia during the transition.
That was alleged to be a crime.
Foreign wide, throughout the media.
We find out a few days later, um no, actually, that isn't a crime.
Trump held that magnificent press conference where he said if he hadn't been talking to the Russians, I would have ordered him to.
The only reason he was fired was, well, from what I understand, there was a lack of chemistry between the president and Flynn, but also because he had allegedly misled the vice president.
So what Trump clearly was saying to Comey was don't drag him over the cold over this over this firing.
I.e.
don't do to him what you're doing to me, and let the public think that that was a criminal act.
Well, agreed.
I mean, and the fact of the matter is, all of these lies have been spread.
Now, I believe Newt Gingrich is is right.
If you look at the people now that Mueller is hiring, this is you know, Patrick Fitzgerald on steroids.
These people need to justify their existence.
You know, mission creep, if you will, will go into all sorts of bizarre directions if they don't end this now.
Yes, no, that's right.
And look b both Comey and Patrick Fitzgerald um did have long and illustrious t histories as honorable prosecutors.
There is something in the water in Washington.
They get there and they so want to be praised.
They so want to praise you're you're right.
You're lucky that you and I are lucky that we enjoy being hated by the media.
Because if you don't, you will get to Washington, and it's just I mean, it's been one person after another.
A one-time honorable person gets to Washington, and Patrick Fitzgerald is a fantastic example.
When he started the independent investigation, he knew day one, no crime has been committed.
Richard Armitage.
And set a perjury trap.
Well said.
All right, and look forward to having you back.
You were on fire today.
800-941 Sean.
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Hi, 25 till the top of the hour, 800-941 Sean is our number if you want to be a part of the program.
You know, I just want everybody to completely understand.
By the way, Linda just handed me this.
Wow.
Ellen Rat headline is where was this written?
Do you know?
Uh I saw Melanie Morgan, who runs the media equalizer with our friend Brian Maloney and me uh uh Melanie Morgan, and she finally liberal host defends Hannity.
Now, in fairness, Lanny Davis did defend me on Twitter.
So I gotta be fair.
He, you know, he went to bat.
And anyway, how's that?
Where are all the liberal hosts?
Why don't they stand up for me while there is an orchestrated attack by you know all of these people with the Soros Clinton group.
By the way, Bill Maher uses the N-word, no, they didn't attack him.
The same group that went after Don Imus and successfully got him fired.
And Don Imus, by the way, also apologized like Bill Maher apologized.
And nobody went after trying to get Bill Maher fired over there.
They don't go after Stephen Colbert.
They don't go after Rachel Mannow's conspiracy theories.
They don't go after, you know, any of these liberal hosts on cable.
They only go after conservatives because they want to silence conservative speech.
And it's also interesting is uh, and I don't know what the status of all this is.
I guess it's coming soon, but apparently there is more incendiary, vile, vicious, horrific things that have been said by the people that run the Soros Clinton organization over time.
Then I guess that'll be starting to come out pretty soon at some point, I guess.
I'm just reading between the lines here.
I have no idea what they're up to, but um it's just interesting.
Anyway, Ellen Ratner, I've known for years.
I like Ellen Ratner.
Long time radio television personality.
I just want to tell you how I feel about Sean Hannity.
I have known him almost 20 years.
That's true.
We've known each other a long time.
Of course we disagree politically.
Oh, this I didn't know she said.
She He's a kind and generous man.
Thank you, Ellen.
And I think the same of you.
He's well liked by the line staff at Fox, many of whom do not share his political views.
That, however, makes no difference.
He's kind, he's not an egotist.
Everyone generally really likes him.
He's also generous with his time, all around a good guy.
Anyway, she's she said, and you know, but for Levin, you know, out.
But Levin's on vacation, and he's posting every hour a Facebook post defending me.
I'll be frank.
Hugh Hewitt reached out to me.
A number of people reached out to me.
Mike Gallagher defended me.
Um I can't think of Mark Simona, New York defended me.
Rose Tennant in Pittsburgh defended me.
We're not even on the same station anymore, but I love her.
She's awesome.
And there are a few people, but then there's also a group that really is silent.
And what I'm trying to get them to understand is they they use this Alinskyite tactic.
They want to isolate.
And then they go in for the attack and the kill.
And you know what?
They weren't successful because we brought you into this.
Bill O'Reilly was on, I guess Newsmax praising me for just standing up and defending myself.
Wished he'd done it himself.
I appreciate the kind words, but you know, it's I there's no other choice.
Because as I said at the time, this was a kill shot.
This was to take me out to get me fired, to get me off the air.
And you might think, Hannity, that's hyperbole.
Hannity, you're paranoid.
I've never been paranoid.
Uh, maybe occasionally a little bit of hyperbole, occasionally.
I mean, you know, we all were in talk radio and and I'm a talk show host.
But the reality is is I see a clear present danger.
Same group that went after Imus and Dr. Laura, same people that went after O'Reilly, same people that went after Rush, the same people that went after Beck.
Now they they don't want any Fox News channel at the end of this, or at least a you know, shadow of what it once was.
And the timing of it is pretty interesting to me, too.
You know, if it's perceived that anybody likes the president, defends the president, believes in the president's agenda, which I believe in the agenda.
I want to get Americans off of food stamps, back in the labor force, and out of poverty.
I want to I want to go back to the point where every American, I don't want a 51-year low in home ownership.
I don't want to be robbing from future generations.
I don't like this Ninth Circuit decision because I want to secure our borders.
And if somebody's coming from a country that has values that contradict our constitutional values, where you grow up under Sharia, persecuting women, killing gays and lesbians, and persecuting Christians and Jews.
Sorry, all of those values contradict our values.
And I don't want somebody bringing those values with them, trying to either proselytize or create the theocracy that they loved here.
That's not who we are.
And if you want to come and be a part of our family, you you should be willing to go through whatever vetting is necessary to make that happen.
And I don't find that bigoted, prejudiced in any way.
It's a it's a clash of cultures.
Some people believe you can should be able to tell men should be able to tell women how to dress and tell them they can't drive a car.
I'm not part of that.
Some people believe it's perfectly fine and just go kill innocent people because of their sexual orientation.
Leave people the hell alone in their life.
They're not bothering you.
Leave them alone.
It's none of your business.
None.
Zero zip.
Oh, Hannity, you didn't always feel that.
For the last 25 years I have.
Seriously.
So I'm saying that, you know, it's Hannity that's saying you can't persecute Christians and Jews like this.
What about religious liberty and freedom?
So it's a real clear present danger, but you made this happen, and we stopped it in its tracks, but it's you know, O'Reilly even said this is this is not going away.
This is now the conditions I've been telling you about for years we work under as conservatives.
Every Second, every minute of every day, I am on the air.
I am being recorded by people that are paid huge sums of money to sit in their underwear that have no lives and monitor every word that comes out of my mouth in the hopes that I say one thing they deem politically incorrect that they disagree with.
And then they can use that, attack my advertising base, you kill the advertisers off, you kill the show.
And to the great credit of our advertisers, they weren't intimidated.
So they they had to go broad in general with me.
Hannity is a right-winger.
Hannity believes in cutting taxes and hurting poor people.
And he wants dirty air and water.
You know, all basically everything you hear during the election.
Breaking news now.
By the way, they're gonna say that's gonna be today's headline.
Had it he said it?
He finally he wants dirty air and water.
He wants to drink it himself.
No, I don't want dirty air and water.
And no, I don't want to throw Granny over the cliff.
And no, I don't want people in poverty on food stamps.
I think if I add it up how many times I have been out there championing a good economy for those people that are left behind, I probably am by far the person on radio and TV that mentions them the most.
And it's probably rooted in my blue-collar background, because I lived it.
I know what it's like.
I know what it's like to go job to job.
I know what it's like not to have any security.
I know what it's like not to have health care.
I know what it's like to quote be poor, because I didn't have any money in a bank account.
And I also was in debt.
I've struggled like so many other people, and it was decades of my life, and people say, Well, you work what in a restaurant for five minutes?
No, I get construction for five.
I did this was two decades of my life that I was working.
I never thought all these wonderful things would happen to me.
And it's not really about me.
It's it's about something that we cherish in this country deeply.
The free and open exchange of ideas and ideals and opinions and thoughts and and views and understanding of things.
And if you can stop conservatives from speaking at the home of the free speech movement in Berkeley, and you can shut down conservatives on the radio, and then you could change the Fox News channel, you know, the one the one bastion in the country that just gives the president a fair shot.
Okay.
I mean, if you can, you know, if Rachel Mannow can spin her wild, crazy, absolutely off the charts, crazy conspiracy theories.
I mean, Sean Hannity's allowed to have the view that we should lower taxes, become energy independent, that Obamacare is a disaster, that we can build a wall to keep our identity and keep the country safe.
You know, I believe in education back to the states, these are so horribly controversial, these opinions, and that I want the forgotten men and women to have the same opportunities in life that I had.
It's it really isn't about me at the end.
It's about they kill me off, they kill the Fox News channel off, they kill conservative talk radio off, which is obviously their goal, then the country is not gonna be better off.
And some of you say, good riddance, you're off.
I can't make you listen.
And this is why a lot of you got disgusted with me a number of times in my career.
And we actually went back to the archives and played tapes, you know, 2000 and whatever, defending that idiot Bill Maher.
He's an idiot.
He is he's rude, he's crude, he's vile, he's you know, whatever he is.
I don't want to be a part of a movement to silence him or Colbert, any of these liberal cable hosts.
I never came out and said, get Air America off the air.
They they did it to themselves.
That was so compelling, nobody wanted to listen.
And I I'm you they have everything else except the internet, except new media, except talk radio, and they're trying desperately to crush the Fox News channel.
They're just trying.
And if they can do it by 2018 or 2020, before the midterms, before the re-election efforts of the president, then they're gonna do it.
And I uh I don't overstate this case, But this is only the beginning, I think.
And I'm prepared to dig in and I'll fight to my last breath.
And if I end up on the street, I'll talk to myself.
That's all.
Well, I'll put up a sign.
It says we'll do show for donations for food.
I'm kidding.
But I probably will talk to myself.
I'll just call Linda.
There's a three-hour show in and of itself.
All right, let's get to our phones.
Larry in Yorkville, Illinois.
Hey, Larry, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean.
Thanks for taking my call.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, you know, I was going to talk about a few things.
Ann Coulter, boy, she was really firing on all cylinders.
She hit pretty much most of my talking points.
But just to expand, I, you know, what she said about Sessions.
I really hope he comes out firing because, you know, like you and conservatives on radio, Sassange is the guy they really want to get out of there.
I mean, he's the guy they really want to get removed.
And uh I hope he really comes out and is strong and doesn't, you know, really sit back the way a lot of Republicans really are.
I mean, I don't know if they're playing rope a dope or what's going on and they're gonna strike back, but you know, they really need to get on offense, the Republicans.
It's demoralizing to see how scared they are to, you know, really fight for anything.
It's uh it's baffling to me.
Yeah, well, I gotta tell you something.
It's time for Republicans.
Remember, there are five enemies of the president.
Number one is the deep state.
Number two is a corrupt Hillary colluding media that spins black helicopter conspiracies.
Three weak Republicans.
You know, four, then you've got, of course, the never Trumper group of people.
And then you got, you know, what's my fifth group?
You got all of these people.
No, not the drinking group.
No, that's the but you got all of these.
There's now all they want to do here is overturn the election.
This is an effort to take me.
Listen, I'm gonna put I'm gonna say it the same way.
Everything here is to take the president down.
To overturn a duly elected president of the United States, and they'll lie, they'll make up conspiracies, they will undermine him, and there's absolutely no compunctions at all.
There's no standards, there's no morality, there's no low that they won't sink to to try and overturn a duly elected president because they don't like him, and they don't like his agenda, and he's a threat to the deep state.
He's a threat to the swamp.
It is it it is what it is.
And I don't make that up either.
So I'll give you the last word.
Oh, yeah.
The the most scary of those groups, like you said, the deep state is scary enough because they're not elected.
But to me, the media is even worse because not only are are they not elected, but I don't know if there's a mechanism to even fight against them when they're, you know, spewing obvious lies.
I mean, what's your mechanism to to defend against that?
I mean, I don't know how you can defend it.
I you can't.
I got and if we don't get to the bottom, if all the Obama holdovers are not removed now, and if all the deep state operatives that have been leaking selectively to hurt the president are not removed now, I think they'll win.
I'm gonna be very blunt.
I think that eventually it just becomes so overwhelming, and the media gets so hysterical, and the Democrats get so loud and the narrative gets so deep and it penetrates into the American psyche, so you know it's almost like spreading lies at a level I've never seen in my life in conspiracy.
Another reason why I think we need one hello, little it's little oh me, and trying to kill me off too and get rid of all of us.
Can you imagine poor sunshine if I get fired?
She's gonna be so upset.
You're gonna be upset, right?
Oh, you don't think it's possible?
I can't even think about that.
All right.
800 941 Shauna's on numbered.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
All right, Hannity tonight at 10.
Donald Trump firing back at Comey and Mueller's political witch hunt.
And is it time to end the special counsel?
And did Comey violate laws?
We've got our panel tonight, Jay Seculow uh will join us, Greg Jarrett and also Sarah Carter.
That's all coming up.
Also, we have black helicopters and conspiracy theories on MBC.