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April 19, 2017 - Sean Hannity Show
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The Nature of Evil - 4.19
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We're going to get into this whole Facebook murder, raping, live Facebook videos that are going out there because it's getting insane later in the program.
You know, it raises a lot of questions, but how do you possibly determine, well, we're going to allow Facebook Live for this person and not that person.
Now I happen to be of the school that I want every American to understand the nature of evil.
And if you can handle it, it actually would be a good thing, in my opinion, to watch how evil ISIS is so you fully on understand and comprehend what they are capable of, because then I think you're more likely to want to engage and win the war against evil in our time.
That's why I want people to see it.
Now there are other people that say, Hannity, why would you want Americans to have access?
Children may be able to see it.
Well, have you ever seen any of the games that kids play for Crying Out Loud?
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Um I start out today for my friends at News Talk AM 750 955 in in Atlanta, WSP, News Talk WSP.
Um you have today a special election.
It's a primary, but if anybody gets above 50%, then that person would win outright without a runoff.
We now have an instance where the Democratic Party is hoping because it's what, 13, 14, there's like a hundred Republicans that are on the ballot, and so they're all going to split their vote.
And it has created an opportunity where this Democrat John Ossoff dismissed concerns about the fact he doesn't even live in the district.
And we didn't find out until now.
This is Newt Gingrich's old congressional seat here.
Anyway, their front-running candidate had to make a nationally televised confession that he doesn't actually live in the district that he hopes to represent.
Anyway, he said, Well, I grew up in this district.
I grew up in this community.
Now he currently lives outside of George's 6th congressional district with his girlfriend.
Well, she is attending apparently medical school.
And he said he has been transparent about the fact that he doesn't live in the district and pledged to move back to the district as soon as his girlfriend finishes school.
Well, he doesn't even live in the district.
It's pretty pathetic.
Anyway, so I'm a mile and a half down the street to support my girlfriend as she finishes medical school.
Is that what you want?
Here's what's important.
Here is well, let's first listen to the exchange because it's pretty entertaining.
He's really trying to avoid listening to it.
Mr. Oslo, is it true that you cannot vote for yourself?
Well, I grew up in this district.
I grew up in this community.
Uh no one knew there was going to be an election coming.
I've been living with Alicia, my girlfriend at 12 years down by Emory University, where she's a full-time medical student.
And as soon as she concludes her medical training, I'll be 10 minutes back up the street into the district where I grew up.
But I want to support her and her career and do right by her.
But I guess your point is that you don't live in your the district in which you're running, so you will not be able to vote for yourself.
Well, I grew up in this district.
I grew up in this community.
It's my home.
My family is still there.
I'm a mile and a half down the street to support Alicia while she finishes medical school.
Um It's something I've been very transparent about.
In fact, I'm proud to be supporting her career.
And as soon as she finishes her medical training, I'll be ten minutes back up the road into the district where I grew up.
Now our affiliate radio station, News Talk WSP, has a sister TV station down there, and they're reporting that critical voting machines were stolen just days before the polls open for this election today.
And state officials are investigating after the equipment was taken from a Cobb County precinct manager's vehicle, according to the Secretary of State, Brian Kemp, the equipment was stolen on Saturday evening while the vehicle was parked at a Kroger on Canton Road.
I know Atlanta well as I live there, but Kemp's office says Cobb County elections waited two days to tell his office about the theft of the voting machines.
So, you know, the four so-called express poll machines were the computer poll workers used to check in voters and check off those who cast ballots.
It's beyond shocking.
And the Cobb County elections director, Janine Eveler, said that stolen machines cannot be used to fraudulently vote in Tuesday's election, and she said the machines have voter information on them, but that information is hard to access, so hard to access doesn't mean it's impossible to access, does it?
Anyway, she said that they will completely replace the machines at the Piedmont Road precinct, and it should be as secure as banks or you know, any other place where there's information.
He said, Now Kemp went on to say, following a statement on Monday, that it's unacceptable that the Cobb County elections office waited two days to notify my office of the theft.
We've opened an investigation.
We're taking steps to ensure it has no effect on the election.
He said this yesterday, today that's going on today.
I'm confident the results will not be compromised.
Look, I'm asking all of my Atlanta friends here.
This is this is something that the liberal media has made a cause celeb.
They're hoping that they can get Newt Gingrich's old seat, and of course, they're overhyping the Democratic candidate in this case, not putting in perspective all the Republicans, including our friend Amy Kramer, who's on the ballot.
I don't care who you vote for.
At the end of the day, whoever you decide in the sixth district, I will end up supporting.
As Newt Gingrich has said, he will end up supporting.
But the Democrats and the alt-left propaganda destroy Trump media elites out there, they're so desperate for just one electoral win because they want to advance the narrative that Donald Trump, our president, is on the downside.
And they have, you know, even hailed no change in special elections.
Now, there was an election, where was that?
In Kansas last week, and the guy was down like four or five points.
Donald Trump went in to help him and saved his campaign.
He ended up winning.
The Republican win won, and you don't even hear a word about it.
Anyway, if you listen to ABC, they're saying special election win could mean a real chance that Democrats take over Congress.
That's what they want.
All they want to do is stop Trump.
And if Republicans lose the House because they're so ineffective and so impotent and so lazy and so pathetic and so weak, well, it'll be their own fault.
And that means that the entire Trump agenda stops right in its tracks.
I got it.
And that leads me to the next point here.
We now have Dave Brad of the Freedom Caucus.
He's been on this program many times.
I've talked to Mark Meadows more times than I can even count right now.
He's the leader of the Freedom Caucus at the moment.
Anyway, Dave Bratt is now being quoted today as saying that the majority of the Freedom Caucus, after weeks and weeks of the Freedom Caucus, not the leadership in Congress, the Freedom Caucus doing the speaker's job.
They've actually worked with the Tuesday group and the moderates in the House and varying coalitions, and they've come up with what they believe is the best compromise bill that they can have as it relates to creating free market competition, health care savings accounts, lower premiums, and better care and a better bank for your health care dollar, and get people out of Obamacare and the death spiral that that's currently in.
Now the question is why isn't Paul Ryan calling these guys back to Washington and getting a vote and getting this done because when they come back on Monday, they've got four days from the twenty-fourth to the twenty-eighth to get a continuing resolution passed, or Congress and the government runs out of money.
And then you've got all sorts of threats from the Democrats that they want a government shutdown, which by the way, Democrats, you want to shut it down, you go right ahead.
Shut it down, save us money.
And you own it too.
So if you want to go down that road, go right ahead.
This guy, the only thing that could have been better for Republicans is if they had Congressman Keith Ellison elected the DNC chair.
But this guy's name is Tom Perez.
Anyway, so the new Democratic chairman picked up where his profanity laced tirade left off last month.
He was at this DNC come together fight back tour in Portland, Maine.
And he went on a rant against Republicans, slamming their new S word budget and dismissing their health care plan, insisting the GOP doesn't give a blank word about people they're trying to hurt.
Here's what he said.
And here's what I don't understand about Donald Trump and the Affordable Care Act.
You know what, folks?
He wants to brand everything.
You know, you can go to the store and find Trump stakes.
You know, Trump stake knives, Trump ties, Trump suits, you know, the Trump hotel.
But he didn't want the Affordable Care Act branded after him.
I don't know what to call it.
Trump care, Ryan care, I'll tell you what I'd call it.
I don't care.
Because they those Republican leaders and President Trump don't give a shit about the people they were trying to hurt.
That's what I say.
All right, and then we have now listen to the comparison because Bernie Sanders, who was absolutely ripped off and totally completely utterly cheated by the Democratic Party.
And when it's Perez and Bernie, listen to the difference in the reaction of the crowd.
Regardless of why you showed up today, you showed up for a reason.
Something compelled you to find the space and time to be here.
And I want you to ask yourself what that reason is.
Right?
Maybe.
Maybe it's because you love a certain senator from Vermont.
Thanks.
You guys, I still have two minutes left, all right?
Like, come on.
So maybe you came, though, because you're curious about the new DNC chairman and the future of the Democratic policy.
All right, so you see the reaction.
But this is the new Democratic Party.
It is hard left.
The blue dog, Joe Lieberman, you know, Democrat of old is gone.
Scoop Jackson Democrats are dead.
There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.
And the average Democrat represents Obama, statism, massive debts, more people in poverty, burdensome regulation.
But you know, you know, Trump has done everything he can do on his own.
He kept his promise.
Neil Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court, an originalist.
He single-handedly picks up the phone.
He calls Carrier, he calls Chrysler, Fiat, he called calls GM, he calls Ford, all these other companies.
It's at snap on tools today, buy American, hire American, and as a means of creating an American revival in the economy so that all these millions of Americans out of the labor force in poverty on food stamps.
They can't buy a house that we burden their children by doubling their debt can get to work.
You know, he's gutted Obama-era regulations.
Jobs are being brought back.
He ended the war on coal.
He opened up the Dakota and Keystone pipelines.
He's fighting back against sanctuary cities.
He's drafted a plan and took care of ISIS in Syria and is starting that battle and that conflict.
And the same thing with the with Assad using chemical weapons.
He put a five-year lobby ban in place.
He sanctioned Iran over the missile program.
He responded to serious use of chemical weapons.
He created a task force to reduce crime, executive orders to protect police officers and target drug cartels.
He started building the border wall and getting plans to build it.
He's moving forward with repealing and replacing Obamacare.
If these idiots can get back from vacation and get their ass to work, uh, he's moving forward with rebuilding the military.
He's shrinking the government workforce, he's renegotiating trade deals, and he's made us energy independent more than ever by removing the regulations.
What the hell is wrong with these people in Congress?
Why can't they get a single piece of legislation done?
And now they've got the freedom caucus, and where's Paul Ryan?
Where is this guy?
It's pathetic.
Somebody they need a kick in the ass and a sense of urgency they don't seem to have.
I don't understand it.
They better get moving.
My patience, I'm about to burst a blood vessel if these guys don't get to work.
I can't take it anymore.
All right, the president is in Wisconsin and he's on a campaign today, which is buy American, hire American.
Let's let's dip into this.
Doing a good job for the workers, and I'm thrilled to be back in Wisconsin.
The optimism in this room is the same incredible spirit that is sweeping across our country, and even greater than that great day in November when I won the state of Wisconsin and when we won the presidency.
That was a great day.
Have to say.
That was a great day, and thank you, Wisconsin.
No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days that includes on military, on the border, on trade, on regulation, on law enforcement.
We love our law enforcement, and on government reform.
Today we're building on that optimism.
And I'm proud to announce that we are about to take bold new steps to follow through on my pledge to buy American and hire American.
I can't think of a better place to make this announcement than right here at Snap On.
Just took a tour of the company.
Good place, by the way.
It's doing well too.
Standing among the workers who make the tools that will rebuild our nation.
Your craftsmanship is incredible.
It's a pleasure to see my good friend Governor Scott Walker.
He has been such a big help.
He has been so incredible.
Stand up, Scott.
Governor Walker.
As well as Senator Ron Johnson.
We worked hard together.
Thank you, Ron.
And although he could not be here today, my thanks go to Speaker Ryan, who's represented this city for nearly two decades in Congress.
And you know where he is?
He's with NATO.
And so he has a good excuse.
And I said, Ron, make sure these countries start paying their bills a little bit more.
You know, they're way, way behind, Ron.
We have to do I'm gonna talk to you about that, Ron.
But Paul, you're over with NATO, get them to pay their bills.
I think that and Ron, you have to work on that too.
And Scott President Trump buy American, hire American.
We'll get to that when we come back.
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I actually applaud what the president is doing here.
You know, it's funny.
I used to get craftsman tools when I was a kid, but I always wanted Snap On.
Snap-on were the by far the more superior product, but I'd go to Sears and I'd get craftsmen because they were more affordable for me at the time.
But I used to do all this mechanic work.
I used to do everything.
I did I fix everything, I'd do my brakes, do anything that needed to be done, starters, alternators, um, you name it, tune-ups, breaks.
I did it all.
Then I even used to use a lot of Bondo.
And I painted my own cars and trucks.
I I had this barn I used to rent with a bunch of guys in Rhode Island.
And we rented it really cheap.
It was like 200 bucks a month.
We all paid Like 50 bucks, and we rented this barn and we used to work out of it.
And most of the guys there were far more mechanically inclined than me, so I'd always start a project and I'd get stuck and they'd always have to bail me out, but they never minded.
They were kind of cool guys.
But I really got good at painting cars and at body work.
And I just had an eye for detail, and I took my time and I'd I'd fix all these cars and I'd paint it myself.
Even though it probably would have been smarter to just go to Earl Schreibe and pay a hundred bucks and get your car painted, and it actually they didn't do too bad a job either.
One time I was stupid enough, there was this paint called Imeron.
There's probably like 10 people that know what this is in my audience, but I'm going to say it anyway.
I was so dumb.
I was painting a van that I had, a work van for my construction company, and Imeron was like glass when you painted it.
It just had the glowing finish with black, uh it was black, and it had like these gold sparkles all throughout.
It was so awesome.
It was really, and they get this paint on right.
You really had to be careful when you sprayed it.
Anyway, so I get the van all prepped out, dying to paint it, load up the Imeron, and I only put on a white mask.
I had no idea.
Imeron literally for a month or two months burned my lungs out.
There's scar tissue in my lungs because I painted that van with Imeron and it was so chemically powerful.
And uh I remember when I got an X-ray one time, a guy goes, What happened to your lung?
I'm like, what?
It was like there's a part burned out.
I'm like, oh great.
And I knew what it had to be because I remember how much it hurt.
And of course I didn't have health insurance at the time, nor do I expect my government to pay for my health insurance.
And so I didn't go to a doctor, but I just sucked it up and I remember it was hard to deal with.
But I always wanted snap-on tools.
I couldn't afford them.
I wanted snap-on.
And I loved, you know, because all the big real mechanics had snap-on tools, and my craftsmen were fine.
I had a big red toolbox like everybody else.
When I wanted the snap-on one.
So anyway, the first part of the executive order by American is based on the twin pillars of maximizing made American.
Now remember when the Dakota pipeline, and the president signed off on that, the president said, Well, let's buy the pipe.
Let's get the steel workers working in America.
And he mandated that if at all possible, we buy the pipe here in America.
That's a great idea.
So the first part of buy American is based on maximizing made in America and minimizing waivers and exceptions of buy American laws.
And so what he said is every agency in the government, every department of government is going to conduct a top-to-bottom assessment aimed squarely at cracking down on weak monitoring, enforcement, and compliance efforts at rooting out every single buy-American loophole.
And the Secretary of Commerce is going to coordinate these agency efforts and vet them by the press for the president on how to properly close them.
And for the first time, the buy-American bidding process will take into account the flagrant use of unfair trade practices.
Now, some of you say, oh, it's only going to start a trade.
Well, what do you think these other countries do?
You think made in China, if they don't have to import something, you think they're importing it anyway?
No.
You know how difficult it is to get a car, an American car sold abroad, and how much extra it costs.
You know, look how many European cars are in America.
How look how few American cars are in America in Europe.
It's such a distinction.
Anyway, I look, with the exception, my my wife has gotten other cars, but I for myself, I've only been buying, I think the last ten cars I bought were American.
I've never I never bought for myself a car that wasn't an American-made car.
Now, by the way, if you buy in a Toyota or a Honda, I know there are Honda plants in America.
I know there are Toyota plants in America.
I have no problem with people deciding to do that.
None whatsoever.
But I've always wanted America made.
I remember arguing this when I was on the air in Huntsville, Alabama, and it wasn't long.
It was in, you know, after the time, there was there was a period of time where the Japanese were making better cars than American cars.
There was a fall-off period for a short time.
You know, for me, I I it's gotten so easy for me to get a car now, and because you're able to go and actually price out What you can pay for the car and maximize it on the internet.
I mean, there's not the usual or past negotiations that go on and that used to have the haggling that went on buying a car.
It's not hard for anybody to do these days.
I don't even talk about price.
I just call my buddy over a King O'Rourke Cadillac and I say I want another one.
And come take the old one.
And then if something breaks, I just call him and say it's enough something's not working right.
Can you fix it?
And then they bring me a loaner car.
And that's by the way, how they keep their business running.
They're great customer service.
And I know they're not going to gouge me.
I've even had the guys at King O'Rourke tell me, well, what if you may wait two weeks, there's going to be a deal and you're going to get it for this much less a month if you get the car then.
You know, if you're if I'm leasing it or whatever I do with the cars.
Because I like to kind of turn them in every couple years, every three years.
So I just go to them.
It's great.
And anyway, I just I prefer I like the idea of American-made cars.
I love my escalade.
I get the same car.
I get the same color.
I don't even have to think about it.
I do like the new car smell.
I wish they could really duplicate it.
Not that crap that they sell at the car wash that doesn't smell like a new car that they say smells like a new car smell.
It doesn't.
Not that I've tried.
And I don't know, so I like what the president's doing here.
So we'll see if you know Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, is going to be able to pull that off.
But I think it's a good idea.
You know, the public perception of the GOP is dropping.
We've got the sixth district in Georgia race that's going on today.
I hope that this Democrat doesn't get the 50%.
Then there'll be a runoff, then he'll be defeated.
He doesn't even live in the district.
But what's so deserving is a new poll by the Pew Research revealed that Democrats are making some inroads on issues that Americans were favoring the Republican Party on.
But the Republican Party, how is it possible eight years later, they can't get a repeal and replacement of Obamacare.
You know, I noticed when the president mentioned Scott Walker, the crowd applauded.
When he mentioned Paul Ryan, I didn't hear a peep out of them.
Just now when he's in Wisconsin.
And, you know, I don't think Americans are really in tune with the fact that these guys go away for two weeks on recess.
Maybe I'm making too big a deal about it.
I don't get two week recesses.
You know, we're going to do our radio and TV show and fly to Israel in the pr in the interim.
Because that's the way we roll.
That's the way we do our job.
And I don't care what job I had in my life, I've always had a sense of urgency.
I keep telling you.
If I'm washing dishes and I don't move my my backside, the dishes are going to pile up.
If I'm a cook and I'm I got a line of orders in front of me, they're not going away until I get them out.
When I'm busting tables in a busy busy restaurant's the same thing, or tendon bar.
Everything in terms of the president's economic agenda is predicated on getting the health care bill done because the health care offers a trillion dollars in savings for the economic plan that the president wants to unveil.
And the Treasury Secretary, Steve Banuchin said that the Trump administration's timetable for tax reform, that may falter because of the health care delay, because these guys weren't ready to lead.
So now that the Freedom Caucus, they're the ones that actually fix the bill.
And from what I understand from what Dave Bratt has said and Mark Meadows has said that the things that they were fighting for, which guaranteed lower premiums, more competition, more options for individuals, also preserving for the moderates that people with pre-existing conditions, and by the way, no Republican is against that, or people that obviously need help and assistance with health care are going to be taken care of.
But we're still saving a trillion dollars.
And that has to get done before we can do the economic issues.
So I mean, at some point, Congress has got to do their job.
I just went through in the last hour all that Trump has done.
We got a originalist on the court.
He's he's making phone calls begging corporations to stay because he's going to transform regulations, which he's already doing.
He's going to lower the corporate tax rate.
He's going to allow repatriation of trillions at a very low rate.
And that makes it more far more favorable environment for people to invest in this country in factories and manufacturing centers.
That gets the 95 million Americans out of the labor force and the 50 million in poverty and on food stamps each.
That gets them an opportunity to get back in the workforce, as does reducing illegal illegal immigration, which he's done by 67%, just because he's enforcing the laws, ending sanctuary cities, one city after another is going back on their fight against Trump because they know they're going to lose.
You know, he's moving forward.
Everything that he's done in terms of building the wall and everything else, every promise he's making, he's keeping.
The only people that aren't moving have no sense of urgency are Republicans in Congress.
Thank you.
What do these people do?
It's so frustrating.
I don't I I just don't relate to not working hard.
I don't relate to give me the house, give me the Senate, give us the White House, and boy, we'll get all these things done.
And they haven't gotten it done.
I don't relate to it, I don't identify with it, and frankly, they're hurting the president and the country by not doing their job.
And it's about time to get off their ass, get back from vacation, and start doing some work.
Why is Paul Ryan at NATO?
Who cares what Paul Ryan thinks about NATO?
Get back, whip your votes, get the language written, and get the bill passed.
What's so hard about this?
Anyway, you've got some Obama holdovers within the border patrol now.
This was on Breitbart, reportedly refusing to obey Trump's order to secure the border.
And just like the deep state holdovers fire these people.
Somebody fire them.
They need to go.
Because all they're doing is sabotaging the president's agenda.
By the way, there's a very scary daily mailpiece out today, thanks to the president's decision to take the Obama handcuffs off of our military.
ISIS is now facing defeat on the battlefield, and they're getting desperate, so desperate that apparently they're trying to form a last stand alliance, ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Islamic State is now talking to Al Qaeda about a potential alliance to form a combined terror group as U.S. backed Iraqi troops close in on the jihadis in Mosul.
We had Mosul.
We gave Mosul back, which was ridiculous.
Anyway, 800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Oh, by the way, Facebook granted employees a day off to protest Trump.
Now, what happened with this guy's what's his name?
Mark Zuckerberg, the he owns Facebook as the zillionaire.
Okay.
Yes, he's a zillionaire.
And how many of our listeners and people that follow us on social media reported that articles from Hannity.com, our new website, our new news website.
It's upwards of ten now.
I mean, we're getting phone calls daily, and now we're getting people blasting us on Twitter and on Facebook.
And then Facebook has now acknowledged RIT team and has said that they're aware of the problem and they're working to resolve it, and that the claims that were made that there was um inappropriate content in our articles that dealt only with politics and had nothing to do with nudity, as they claim.
Yeah, I mean, what is it?
We've never had any new.
Well, I put that one picture up of you, but they made me take it right down, Sean.
I mean, I it was up there for like a second.
You know what I'm saying?
Why am I taking you to Israel and sweet baby James?
For good times like this.
Oh, good.
So I have to put up with all of this.
Yeah, face to face.
Shalom.
Hello.
It's gonna be fantastic.
But the only thing is is you like hummus.
I remember the last time we were there, every meal was hummus.
Well, the Israelis have good taste and they have good food.
No, but I'm not sure.
That was that was awesome.
That was really good.
All right.
Did you make arrangements to eat at good places?
I always look at the upside of things, and I always make good.
All I care about is they're asking me questions all day.
All right, do you want to take a shower before you meet with the Prime Minister?
Do you want to do that?
First of all, I asked you that question one time, and you should be very happy that I'm always thinking about the upside of things and trying to give you a shower when you need one.
Okay, can I just finish?
They're asking me, do you want to leave here?
Do you want to do radio in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?
Do you want to do TV and Tel Aviv or I'm like, this is not my job.
You guys work it out.
Do you want to look at the downside or the upside?
I want to go On the trip, do my job, interview the Prime Minister.
I can't tell the other things that we're doing when we're there, but we're doing some big things there, and we'll be reporting from there.
And all I hear from you is do you want to take a shower?
I want to take a shower.
I mean, what when is that why do I have to make that decision?
How do I know how to do it?
I think you smelling good in Israel is the upside.
How do I know at that time of the day if I'm gonna need or want a shower?
It's eleven hour what is it, eight hour time difference?
Seven.
Seven hours.
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By the way, Coming up in the next hour, we shall be checking in.
Who are we doing next in the next hour?
You changed it up on me.
I don't even remember.
Next we have Daniel McLaughlin and Jay Secular who'll be talking about the playground case.
Oh, this case is phenomenal.
We'll get to that next.
Um I can't be ripped in Congress every minute of every day.
I wrote a monologue for TV tonight that you're gonna like though.
Sean Hannity.
All right, hour two, Sean Hannity show.
Oh, finally having nine members back at full strength at the U.S. Supreme Court.
There's also talk of a lot of retirements potentially in in June at the end of the session.
Right now we see that on his first case, fifteen minutes in, Neil Gorsuch asked a series of four questions, and one case in particular, they they're gonna hear on uh tomorrow a case about a Missouri church's challenge to its exclusion from a state program that provides money to use ground up tires to cushion playgrounds.
Missouri is among roughly three dozen states with constitutions that explicitly prohibit using public money to aid a religious institution, or even, in other words, a higher wall separating church and state.
With us, Jay Sekulow, he's the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice.
Our crazy liberal friend, Danielle McLaughlin, attorney, constitutional expert.
Who didn't want Judge Gorsuch confirmed?
How are you?
Doing well, thanks, Sean.
Hi Jay, how are you doing?
All right, don't be nice because that ruins the entire program.
I I start being mean and you start being nice, and there goes the show.
You're ruining my program because nobody wants to hear three people get along.
Um isn't that my job to ruin your program, Sean?
Yeah, you usually do a good job, but today you're you're being counterintuitive to what we anticipate.
Um it's very interesting.
Everybody has a a unique and different style on the court.
Jay, you've argued what, uh thirteen, fourteen, fifteen times before the Supreme Court.
You know, for example, Justice Clarence Thomas, who's my favorite justice personally, individually, and I also liked Antonin Scalia, the late Anton Scalia, but he rarely, if ever talks.
He does not ask questions.
He just studies the issues, he takes it all in, and he has an originalist value system.
In other words, the way a prism in which he judges cases.
What did you make of Gorsuch's questions in his first case?
Well, I think he was exactly the kind of inquisitive judge that he was when he was on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.
I've, you know, as you said, I've appeared before the Supreme Court a lot.
I had one of the few questions, by the way, where Justice Thomas actually did ask a question.
It's rare.
He normally wants to just hear what the lawyers have to say, and uh he's read the literally in these cases, thousands of pages of briefs that have been filed.
I think Neil Gorsuch coming in as he did about fifteen minutes in, asking a question, established very clearly that he is going to be a justice that wants his really wants to engage the oral argument.
I will say something about the oral argument.
I love doing them, so I don't want to take anything away from it.
But I don't think you win a case at oral argument.
You may scare him that you could lose a case, but winning a case at oral argument's not so easy.
I mean, I've got to do that.
Jay, I I've listened to these cases.
They they're in your they're worse than a talk show host in terms of their interruptions.
You gotta really be on your toes when you're arguing before the Supreme Court, and they I go about thirty seconds before I get interrupted.
Usually about thirty seconds is about the most.
I've had one where I got up, I said Mr. Chief Justice, I may have pleased the court, and there was a question from uh Justice Stevens as soon as I started.
So that it it is.
It's very it's a very intense one hour.
Yeah, but you've got to love that.
I mean, as a lawyer, that's like your dream to be arguing before the United States Supreme Court.
That's great.
Yeah.
And how many of the cases did you win?
What's your win loss record before the Supreme Court?
So we've had twenty cases at the Supreme Court.
We've won seventeen.
It's not bad.
That's a pretty good track record.
I'd take that any day.
Uh Danielle, what do you make of Neil Gorsuch and his appearance and the different styles that are on the Supreme Court now, and then we'll get into this specific case.
You know, to Jay's point, he asked a lot of questions.
Uh he took a little time.
He'd clearly done his homework, which is what you would expect of all of the justices.
I thought there was a little levity, which was nice when he thanked his colleagues for the warm welcome.
I think it's gonna be interesting.
You know, uh this is a very technical case.
He's uh presided over a lot of very technical cases uh in Colorado.
I think it's gonna be interesting as we get to some of these more difficult cases, isn't it?
I think actually Wednesday is going to be one of those interesting cases because it's it's about the establishment court clause, it's about the exercise of free religion, it's about some of these founding principles of this country, which is one of them, which is of course the.
But let's talk about the esta the establishment clause.
I've always felt it was a penalty.
For example, I I pay for schools because I own a home and part of the money that I I spend goes to taxes for the schools.
Now I for now I do have my kids in public school, but for a while I put them in a private school.
And so I'm now paying twice.
Am I being punished because of my religious values, sending my kids to a religious school?
Well, the fact is, uh you no, that's the cost of citizenship.
Here's the thing.
The what's interesting is why am I mandated to pay for schools that I'm never going to use?
Because that's the way the tax system is set up.
What's so fascinating about that when you look at in the context of these schools in like in in the case in Missouri where you basically had a very straightforward situation.
The state provides excess rubber.
It sounds very simple to make playgrounds safer.
And they include a broad swath of uh uh educational institutions, but they specifically excluded religious institutions or schools that were Christian schools or Jewish day schools, they'd be excluded.
Now you ask yourself, that same rationale would justify a fire department saying, Well, we'll go put out the fires in every place else, but what?
The schools and the uh uh the Christian schools and the and the synagogues?
We're not gonna go there because it would be church money being utilized uh by the government to help it uh uh a religious institution?
That's where these cases have gotten off base.
Uh this particular case gives the Supreme Court an opportunity to once again say no viewpoint-based discrimination against religious groups, or in this particular case a Christian school.
What about our founding document, Danielle, our declaration which says, you know, that we're endowed by our creator.
Now, I when you couple that with our constitution and the establishment clause, how does helping a school that has religious values how does that establish a religion if it's open to all religions and all people, considering you're maximizing the impact of of money, state money in this case being spent to protect all children regardless of faith.
F to your first point about our creator.
The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, some of the documents that our founders published long before the Constitution talked about God, talked about a deity, but our founders were very, very concerned about the notion that religion and the state would become intertwined.
Uh people came across on the Mayflower, as you well know, because of religious persecution, because of their because of the fact that the Church of England's tied up with the state.
No, our declaration, when it talks about endowed by our creator, I understand the establishment clause.
In other words, a government-sponsored backed specific religion, but establishment is not hostility towards religion.
Because our framers and our founders, neither one had hostility towards God in our lives.
That's absolutely right.
And exactly what you're talking about is the line upon which the drawing.
So shouldn't in this case, shouldn't the the criteria be the safety of all children as long as nobody's being discriminated against?
The question is whether this money will be going towards religious instruction, because that would be putting the rubber in a playground to make it safer.
You're absolutely right.
Well, let's look at the facts of the case, okay?
The facts of the case.
It's not some, you know, hypothetical that we all had in law school.
This is the facts of the case.
It was a program that provided funding to get excess rubber from the state beneficiaries to g protect children in playgrounds, which is proved to be a real uh safety assistance uh when you have the rubber or some kind of absorption factor on playgrounds.
So that's a broad-based benefit being applied to in this particular case or being denied to religious groups.
That should not be the law.
And I'll take it a step further.
Justice O'Connor had a famous quote in one of the cases.
She said, and you talked about Sean, the fact that we're a nation founded by religious refugees.
She should say she said this.
It would be ironic indeed if a nation that was founded by religious refugees would sever itself from that deity, that acknowledgement of God that has in the basis upon which it was established.
So this idea that you would draw this bright line of, oh, it's religious, therefore it should be excluded, I I think is absurd.
Let me ask Danielle, do you think that it is okay for this church to be discriminated against like this?
Because that's what this is, it's discrimination.
You make a great point.
And actually I don't.
And what we're seeing with many of the amicus briefs in this case, you're seeing interesting and unusual bedfellows.
I agree with you that people are saying that this is a a discrimination on the basis of religiosity.
This is a ba discrimination against people who have hold religious views.
You see the same arguments with people who advocate for same-sex marriage and gay rights, the idea that the 14th Amendment should protect all of us re regardless of whether it's about sexual orientation or whether about religious views.
The key to this point, this this case, and it's obviously a difficult case to defend because this is about the safety of children.
I have a two-year-old.
I would want this kind of a surface in my uh my own playgrounds.
The question is whether this will be used for religious purposes, religious teachings.
And there is a sort of a slippery slope argument if we give state taxpayer funded money from people who may or may not agree with the religious teachings, which is Sean's earlier point about his own taxpayer money.
Is there next an auditorium or a fencing or something else that is on the periphery of the case?
I mean, I think this is like a Justice Gorschers that's that.
So what?
So if the religious group gets the to be able to purchase the rubber through state aid to protect their their young people, kids on a playground, I don't think that's a constitutional crisis.
Now evidently the uh the the Circuit Court of Appeals certainly thought it was, because that's why we're at the Supreme Court of the United States, especially the case of the Supreme Court.
And in full disclosure, we filed a brief in the case, so I want to be clear on that.
But to me, this is an i it's uh uh easy case.
Now, you never know at the Supreme Court, Sean what you're gonna get, but it should be an easy case.
And I'm glad that Judge Gorsuch is now Justice Gorsuch because he's been very good on the religion clauses.
I agree with you, Jay, that I think Gorsuch will be a proponent of your point of view.
I think that's pretty clear.
I actually think it's a hard case.
I think it's alluring in the sense that it seems very cut and dried about children and safety, but I think there are countervailing arguments that look at the fundamentals of the First Amendment.
And I think it's uh you know, personally I I would want it to happen.
I'm at a loss.
What is the first why is this a violation of the First Amendment?
We're gonna get this benefit to anybody, any school in the state that has uh kids in it, and we're gonna give it to it on a non-discriminatory basis.
Why is that a constitutional crisis?
Well, it's actually not going to every single.
There were a limited number of grants that were given out.
So the concern is that the.
But if there are 50 churches and only 25 get the grant, the concern is that the state will be seen as supporting one religion over the other.
That's the basic argument.
You don't believe that, Daniel.
You don't believe that.
I don't believe that you think that if there's only limited funds, that if the if the Catholics get it and and the Seventh day Adventist stone, that we've got you know, it was on some neutral criteria, that's a problem.
You just have a neutral criteria, there shouldn't be an issue.
I gotta hang on, I gotta interrupt you both.
Great debate going on, Jay Seculo, Danielle McLaughlin is with us.
And Danielle, almost sounds reasonable today.
I hate when when you sound so reasonable because it makes your arguments that much more effective.
Well, Jay and I always like you anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Continue Sean Hannity Show, Jay Seculow, Chief Counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, Danielle McLaughlin, attorney constitutional expert, and we are debating a case that will be argued before the U.S. Supreme Court tomorrow.
Now that we're back at full strength, and Neil Gorsuch is on the court and it has to deal with a Missouri church and their challenge to the exclusion from a state program that provides money to use ground up tires to cushion playgrounds.
And of course it deals with the establishment clause, the Constitution, and whether or not in somehow, some way that violates that clause.
You know, make the case how it violates it, Danielle.
That's what you haven't gotten to today.
You haven't explained to me if every church and every faith I don't care if you're Jewish, if you're Hindu, if you're Muslim, uh uh Christian.
And everybody has access to it.
And the state's role is to help and assist in the safety of children with this particular measure.
Tell me the downside.
How is it an establishment of religion if every religion is included?
Well, if you're a taxpayer and you're an atheist and you don't think that your taxpayer money should go to be funding religious activity.
Well, wait a minute, but the same ground up tires are going to be at public playgrounds as well, as I understand it.
Right.
Well, there's no prohibition on using state taxpayer money for public parks or other things like that.
So in other words, that's really that's sort of the the kernel there.
And I'm not saying that this is like the best case in the world.
I think in some ways it makes sense for this to be broadly available, but the argument is, and what I find, which is the irony here, is that I'm arguing strict construction, and Jay is arguing what would normally be a progressive argument, which is what is the pragmatic result here.
I think that this case in some ways turns everything on its head.
I don't think you're arguing strict constructionism as at all, Jay.
Do you?
No, I mean I first of all, pragmatic is the nature of of the the way you do a case.
So you'd look you I'm looking at the facts.
So I think here's a strict constructionist view and originalist in view.
I like that term better, but but this is my view.
Where is this a violation of the Constitution?
I'm looking at the Constitution and where I don't see a violation here.
Because if the if this is a violation of the Constitution, then the fact of the matter is, and and I really think this is where the slippery slope would come into play.
Then why would you allow taxpayer money to go to a fire department that was providing aid, including police or fire department aid to a church?
What's the differential?
And uh take it a step further.
How can you then deny a broad based program to qualifying entities, but then have an exclusion?
I've been arguing this at the Supreme Court for three decades, and then have an exclusion for one group only, and that group is because they are affiliated with the religious institution.
That is invidious discrimination, that is viewpoint discrimination, that violates the free speech clause and the equal protection clause, and I think it violates the establishment clause because as Sean said, it shows hostility towards religion.
So that's how I see the case.
I think that's how Judge uh Justice Gorsuch will see the case.
The question will be will there be four others?
I think there will be.
I agree with Jay.
What's your response, Danielle?
I think we will see at least a five-four and maybe even a six-three, because looking at Anthony Kinney uh and the way that he has spoken about religion and the establishment cause over the last, you know, decades.
He echoed what Scalia said, and he agreed that particularly these Blaine amendments, which cr I guess you could say increase the height of the wall between church and state were problematic uh and actually were set in place originally to discriminate against Catholics.
So I actually think that we might get well, you might get Kennedy on board with Gorsuch.
So I actually think that the Eighth Circuit that we will see an over an overtuning of the Eighth Circuit, and probably the church will win.
All right, I'm gonna have to leave it there.
I really appreciate both of you.
Jay Seculow, Chief Counsel, American Center for Law and Justice, uh, Danielle McLaughlin, attorney constitutional expert, and that case is going to be pretty fascinating.
And when the results come, last question for both of you how many people do you think may retire at the end of this session for the Supreme Court, Jay?
I think one.
Who?
Uh I'm I think it probably is Justice Kennedy.
I don't know that for fact, but just based on my conversations in Washington and others, uh that's the that I think you have to be up the White House needs to be operating on the assumption that there's likely to be a vacancy, and that vacancy may be uh Justice Kennedy.
It may not be, but uh I think you've heard that assumption.
Is Ruth Beta Ginsburg is she healthier than she's better?
I think she's I think she's healthy.
I saw her uh a couple weeks back.
Okay, good.
I think she will be there for a while.
Wish her the best.
Danielle, how many openings do you see?
I think one, maybe two.
I'm obviously hoping for none because I'm not sure.
I'm hoping for three.
I know you are.
I'm hoping for three.
I think the I want three Donald Trump appointments.
That's what I want.
I want no more.
But uh, I guess we'll wait and see what happens uh at the end of the term.
All right, thank you both.
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All right, 25 till the top of the hour.
All right, you've been hearing about this Facebook live gruesome, horrific evil murder.
We had the case in Chicago where this young girl got raped.
That was on Facebook Live and all these other instances, and it raises a lot of questions about the freedom and the ability of people to post anything any time they want to.
Now, I personally how many times have I said I wished Obama, somebody in the press would have asked Obama, hey, did you actually see those people, James Foley, the people in Egypt lined up on the beach, decapitated?
Because I've seen those videos.
And I make the argument that I would rather more people understand the nature of the enemy than not know.
And I think in that sense, knowledge helps and helps a lot.
Awareness helps and helps a lot.
Anyway, um Mark Zuckerberg is saying about this, we have a lot more to do.
He addressed the Cleveland murder video, but I don't know, you know, they're censoring my articles according to so many of you on Facebook on Hannity Facebook and on Twitter.
And so many people have been calling in to Linda and Lauren and everybody else here on the show, saying they keep taking down Hannity dot com articles because we built a pretty active news site up there, and we're very proud of what we've been able to do, and we've rebuilt the site and we're getting a lot of traffic, and we're putting up articles that you're not going to get elsewhere in the media.
And they Facebook is ripping them down, but they're allowing murders and rapes to go on Facebook Live.
And that makes no sense.
All right, uh, let's get to our phones here, as I've been promising all day.
We'll get to that at the top of the next hour here on the program.
In the meantime, let's go to uh Michelle, she's out in Colorado today.
Michelle, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, and welcome to the Sean Hannity show.
Hi, Sean, how are you?
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm good.
I you know, I just wanted to say I know there's just so much chaos in the world right now, and uh I feel very strongly that Donald Trump is putting the the United States first, that if we didn't have a great leader to stand up against these lunatics, it would be the end of of what we know uh of our country.
And I know people are scared, they don't understand, but we have yet to show any strength since Ronald Reagan.
And uh tell you what, you can appease these lunatics and you can give them you know gold and money and and and and appease them, and we're not gonna do anything to you.
Eventually they fight, okay?
Eventually they're gonna bite.
But last night, I don't know.
Did you see my show last night and I laid out the history?
Bill Clinton assured us that Kim Jong il, who's Kim Jong un's father, that he wasn't gonna get nuclear weapons, and he gave four billion dollars to Kim Jong il, and and we got the promise that he'd never get nuclear armed, but they continue to allow him to have those radioactive rods that can build nuclear weapons, which was really dumb, and even the New York Times acknowledged it was dumb at the time.
And it ends up that the promise Bill Clinton made was false.
It was wrong, just like Obama saying that his red line in the sand or Susan Rice saying it or John Kerry saying it, the red line in the sand resulted in Assad giving up his chemical weapons.
That's not true.
And I can promise you Obama's promise about this Iranian deal, the Iranians are going to get nuclear weapons unless we take out their nuclear sites.
That's right.
You don't have a choice.
And I'll tell you what, it all comes down to I might be a conspiracy conspiracy theorist, but I'm telling you, it comes down to big money.
They got big payouts for this at the sacrifice of the United States of America.
The establishment is going down, and Donald Trump is the one who's going to take it down.
I believe, and I'm a Jew, I know you're Catholic or Christian.
Yes, ma'am.
I believe this is sent from God.
I really do, and I think back I was just having a conversation about this.
That it was John Paul the Second, it was Pope John Paul, it was Margaret Thatcher, and it was Ronald Reagan.
And if you want to talk about three angels or or soldiers from heaven coming down and taking out communism, taking the wall down in Berlin.
God will always put Israel first, and God bless America.
You know it's funny.
I'll tell you this.
So I'm headed to Israel, as I announced later this week, okay?
And I'm gonna spend some time with the Prime Minister when I'm there.
And I have been friends with and have admired from afar.
I've always felt that Prime Minister Netanyahu was the Churchill of our time.
It's sort of the the lone adult on the world stage because of the necessity of having to deal with a a situation where a tiny country is surrounded by people that hate them, want to kill them and destroy them.
So he's had to face a reality and a truth that most of us here in America may never ever have to really face.
And uh, you know, I I was talking about kids that are members of the IDF for three years, and my son recently met this kid, and he was being recruited to to play on the school team that my son plays on, and I said, all those kids, he's 22 years old and he's beginning college.
And he never gave up his amateur status.
He has four years of legitimate NCAA eligibility, and those kids are just so more mature than our own kids.
And I'm not saying this that in in any way to be a anything other than a compliment to the kids that that have to grow up much faster because of truth and reality in their lives.
And, you know, whether you like to hear it or not, the world's a pretty dark, evil place.
And, you know, when you talk about murder, that's evil.
Raping a woman is evil.
Beating up people for fun is evil.
ISIS beheading people is evil.
You know, a hundred million souls in the last century, fascism, communism, Nazism, Imperial Japan.
It's all evil.
And I think that good people have a hard time wrapping their arms around the fact that evil exists.
You know, look at San Bernardino, look at the Orlando Pulse Nightclub, look at Chattanooga, look at Fort Hood.
Look at what's been happening in France, Great Britain, Germany, Sweden, and all across Belgium and all across Europe.
It's it's an ideology of evil in our time that is really in many ways not any different, although it's a different form, it's a different ideology, it's a different philosophy, it's it's all of those things, but it's still evil.
As evil as Hitler was.
If you want to kill innocent men, women and children, you're evil.
That's it.
It's simple, it's basic, it's fundamental, and that's why I like the fact that Trump took a real line in the sand and and bombed the hell out of Assad Syria and said we're not gonna cross this line and use chemical weapons against women and children.
But um, and I think it showed a lot of strength and courage.
The world is having a hard time adjusting that the weak and feckless and the appeasing America under Obama has now shifted.
And there's got to be some fundamental mental flip in the minds and the hearts of these these leaders that they understand there's a new sheriff in town.
Just like snowflakes are having a hard time adjusting, so too are the world's leaders, especially those that got away with murder the entire time Obama was president.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
Michelle, thank you.
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Let's go to Sandy, is in California.
Sandy, hi, how are you?
Welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
Hi, Sean.
Um, I want you to keep prodding the Republicans on Obamacare.
We've got to get that repealed and replaced.
And I hope it's going better than uh than what I hear.
But another thing is you are awesome on providing statistics during the election, and I think we've got to get the wall taken care of, and some of our Republican guys just don't seem to have the guts that they need to have.
So I was wondering if you could put together statistics on the crime created uh from illegal immigrants, uh, how it's harming our schools, how it impacts our hospitals, and if you could repeat that on a daily basis, then some of these guys like uh Marco Rubio, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and on and on, might get some um guts to do the right thing and help us get the wall built.
And I'm just way pro-Trump.
I'm never gonna uh go away from him.
So uh I just think he's the best thing that's happened in our political system in a long time.
Look, I agree, Republicans they they need to step up.
You know, all my life, and I I'm sure this is the life of every person listening, because I don't know anybody that has the life of a congressman, a congresswoman, a senator, or all these people.
I don't I don't have expensive time for lunch every day.
My I don't even eat lunch every day.
Maybe I have Campbell's soup, and that's my lunch.
For the for now, I buy I do buy Linda and everybody in their lunch every day.
Don't I buy you lunch every day?
But you eat it at your desk.
You can have anything you want.
You haven't eaten yet.
Well, the bill came across my my iPhone today, so somebody ordered something.
I'm glad somebody's getting paid.
Well, but but there's no restriction, but everybody eats at their desk on this show.
And it's not I've never said to my staff, you've got to eat at your desk.
It's just the reality of this job.
You want to work here, you put it All in and you look, we're on a we're all look, we're on the air at three o'clock, whether we're prepared or not.
Now we'd rather be prepared.
And we're always hanging by a thread, even when we're fully prepared.
It's just the nature of the business.
I just don't understand Republicans.
They wanted the House, they got it.
They wanted the Senate, they got it.
They wanted the White House.
Well, half these people didn't even support Trump.
They're so pathetic.
Now they've got it.
And you know, we have a chance to change the world for the good, and they're they're sitting on their hands, and it frustrates the hell out of me.
Right.
And Trump's got a lot of us out here supporting him.
And uh the other Republicans just need to get some gusto or s you know, they just need to get with it.
And uh I want you to know I appreciate everything you do, and uh just keep after 'em.
And uh I I want Trump to be successful because I know it's the best thing for America.
Yeah, well, I do too.
And you know what?
We're gonna try and help him, and we'll drag these Republicans kicking and screaming if we have to.
Got to take a quick break, we'll come back.
I think everybody has learned from this.
I think the people on social media kind of know the power, and I think they know the harm it can do.
So we've talked before about people not living their lives on social media and being truthful in social media and not harming people via social media.
And you know, this is a prime example.
This is something that should not have been shared around the world.
Period.
And you know, our kids, although they should not have seen this, I'm sure a lot have, you know, they need to take this as a lesson.
We can't do this in this country.
We just can't do it.
All right, that of course, in reaction to this manhunt that is underway in Cleveland, Ohio, for this man suspected of murdering this elderly citizen in absolute cold blood and streaming his crime on Facebook Live, and so many people now have seen this thing.
It is beyond barbaric, and there is unique challenges now that we are facing as a result of this instantaneous news outlet that is at everybody's fingertips, and that is all right, well, so what do you do when you believe in freedom of expression and freedom of speech, and then you've got kids on Facebook live killing themselves?
And in this case, you got this guy killing an elderly citizen in cold blood for the world to see.
And does that bring up issues involving, okay, censorship?
I mean, you got this guy posted a video of himself killing uh former foundry worker who had ten children.
This guy had ten children that he killed.
And in and he said, I snapped, I just snapped.
Anyway, he shared the recording of himself announcing his plan to kill someone, then two minutes later posted another video of himself shooting and killing goodw uh Goodwin.
Now, Facebook said a few minutes after that that he went live and confessed, and the company said it disabled his account within twenty-three minutes of receiving the first report about the video of the fatal shooting, and two hours after uh receiving any report.
Now, Facebook has since announced that it was launching a review for the reporting of a harmful content of anyway.
But what do you do?
Ron Christie is uh back with us, former special assistant to President Bush, columnist for SideWire, also with us Emily Shire at Bustle.com.
Welcome both of you to the program.
Ron, I you know, I'm I I'm just a believer in free and open media, and unfortunately, this is one of the downsides of living in a free society.
I don't know how you possibly can censor any live event if anybody wants to do something this horrific and narcissistic.
Isn't that just awful, Sean?
Good afternoon.
I I I'm heartbroken, and like you, I'm a I'm a firm believer of the First Amendment to the Constitution.
I believe that we should have the freedom of speech, we should have the freedom of assembly.
But unfortunately, our culture and this I want everything now and me, me, me, has devolved into this really cruel, really sadistic world on social media, and this is the latest example of it of how far people go to strive to get attention,
Sean, that we need to take a big time out as a country and recognize if we don't get the soul of our country back, these sorts of things are gonna be in the increase rather than decrease, and politicians of both strikes need to stand up and say, This is enough.
Stop it.
Yeah.
You know, but but on the other hand, I mean, I know this may sound horrific.
I kept asking a question During the Obama years, you know, when James Foley had his his head chopped off, or remember when they they lined these guys up on the beach and simultaneously took a knives in Egypt and they chopped these guys' heads off.
I watched it.
And I want people to see what evil is in this world, because if you don't fully comprehend what we're up against, and I and the reality and the ugly, disgusting, hideous truth of it all, I'm not sure you're gonna have the will to fight it to the extent it needs to be fought.
Like, for example, TV networks have made a decision never to show the buildings being hit on 9-11 again, or the people jumping out of the building because they're burning to death that day.
Those images are forever etched in my mind.
You know, seeing those people lined up on the beach and getting decapitated with a knife, it's not something that ever leaves you.
Now, I certainly don't want kids seeing it, and they have the ability to see it, but it's really the parents' responsibility.
I monitor my kids' TV watching, I monitor what they get to see on their computers, I monitor what social websites they get to go to.
So at the end of the day, it's going to be the parents.
You know, how do you stop this and still keep the freedoms that we love and cherish?
Well, let me put it to you this way.
And those those memories are etched in my mind as well as yours and millions of your listeners, Sean, of the horror and tragedy of 9-11.
But I think in this instant case, uh, where the poor gentleman was shot, and of course we saw that video live streaming.
That to me looked like more of a snuff video.
This wasn't Coptic Christians being beheaded by ISIS or this wasn't uh terrorist uh interaction.
Right, but who gets to make that decision and distinction?
Because anybody can start a Facebook live session anytime they want.
Well, I in this in this case, I think that Mark Zuckerberg has got a big, big problem on his hands of people using his site and his services for really cruel and evil and just terrible things, and he's got to find a way to filter that out, I believe.
How do you filter it out?
Like, for example, Newt Gingrich does a lot of Facebook live sessions, and he does them often, and a lot of people view them.
They either view them in real time or they view them later when he posts them.
I mean, how do you there's got to be a way between Newt going and educating people and a deranged individual killing someone?
I don't know what that distinction is.
Again, I'm I mean it's a tough question.
It's a really hard question that we're gonna have to find an answer to.
Emily, let me ask you, and we can answer this.
Remember, Chicago police were looking for these six people involved in the sexual assault of this teenage girl.
That was broadcast on Facebook Live also.
Yeah, I mean, I think there is not an easy answer to this.
You raise all the freedom of speech issues because look, do we trust Facebook to be the arbitrator one way or the other?
It's clear that Facebook has you know, even if it's arguably well intentioned, has censored certain things and sometimes.
Yeah, by the way, they they censor articles from Hannity.com.
I mean, they're busy censoring that, so you would think they maybe have time for somebody to monitor it in real time some of these other things, but that's a side note to that.
And there's another question of how much do we want them monitoring?
Do we want them getting more involved?
I mean, when an instance like this, yes, we we do want it, but one, you know, I don't know if we can put the genie uh back in the lamp on this issue because you know it's so then what they take a few if it's not in real time, then someone uploads the video to YouTube or some other platform.
And yes, it'll be taken down, I think eventually or censored eventually in different news organizations, choose not to report on certain aspects.
You know, Bussel's policy is that we try we go out of our way not to give extra attention to a murder.
There are certain issues if you don't want to give extra credence to whatever their stated goal or motivation.
But do you understand my thinking here?
Because I don't know where the slippery slope starts and ends, and I don't know how you monitor content, because I can guarantee you there are a lot of people that would argue against my position is I want people to see evil.
You know, I watch documentaries all the time on the History Channel on the American Heroes Channel, you know, documentaries that actually show the Holocaust and dead bodies piled upon dead bodies.
Is it because I have this m morbid fascination with evil?
No, it's that I want to understand it so we can defeat it.
Because in the last century alone, when you add in Stalin and Russia and fascism and Nazism and Imperial Japan And the killing fields in Cambodia, you're talking about a hundred million people slaughtered in the name of some sick, twisted evil ideology.
And similarly, we face that crisis today, except it's in a different form.
Same evil, and it's called ISIS.
It's called radical Islamism.
It's it's called Al Qaeda.
You know, it's it's called Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad.
It's called the Muslim Brotherhood.
And they all have the same goals.
So me wanting people to view and witness the barbarity and absolute evil of this, it's for the purpose of awakening them to understand that it needs to be defeated.
There's a purpose to it.
So if you but I bet people would argue, Hannity, you can't show these people being beheaded.
That's sick.
That's twisted.
Why do you want people to see it?
Because if they don't see it, then they don't understand the nature of it.
That's why.
Well, Sean, let me just say one last thing before I have to jump here.
I I totally agree with you.
And this is a challenge that we're gonna have to face as a society because it's easier to talk about the Holocaust.
It's easier to talk about ISIS and state actors doing these sorts of evil things, but I just don't know from a freedom of speech perspective how you can draw the line if one individual who's just totally deranged elects to just do what we saw in Cleveland.
If you have to choose to stop that, if you have to choose freedom, including the evil and barbarity of women being raped in real time on Facebook, or people being murdered in real time on Facebook.
What do you choose?
It's a hard question.
I'm not I'm not trying to try to trick questions.
I I I think there has to be, though.
That's the point.
You either choose to allow all this or you choose to censor it.
I think this is part of the problem.
We expect Facebook to be uh an arbit an arbitrator and decide and well who gets to be the arbitrator.
You want me to be the arbitrator?
You want you want you let me leave you and I agree like on next to nothing.
You want do I want you to be the arbiter?
No, I don't.
No, but and it but you had Facebook is just going to be a collection of people.
These aren't government officials, these aren't people have been elected, these aren't necessarily people who have a legal or public policy expertise in what they're monitoring.
So we're expecting them to do a certain job that I'm not sure they're capable of.
I don't think it is.
I don't think uh I to me it's either all or nothing, and I vote for all.
Like there was a really and here's another sick twisted part.
If you have a there's a viral video originally recorded on Facebook Live that circulated showing a brutal beating of this Detroit man by a group of attackers that occurred Easter Sunday.
And people want to see it.
People it's it's clickbait for a lot of these sites.
Look, it's I don't go ahead.
Go ahead.
I was just gonna say, I mean, I think I I think any site that actively uses that as clickbait, it's nauseating.
Um and that's a whole separate issue from the fact that how do you stop people who have a morose interest or you know look, I think there's a baseline human curiosity.
We saw this at a much lower level, but when there's you had nude photos of celebrities leaked, uh, which is your far more innocuous, but still deeply problematic.
People want to click on it even though it's a clear violation of their privacy.
Um there's only and I think uh publications have an obligation not to make it easier for people to find it, to not include those photos and those things when they report on it.
All right, I want to I want to pick stay right there with that thought, because I want to pick it up on the other side of this break.
We got to take a a quick break here, though.
We'll come back, we'll continue with Ron Christie and Emily Shire, 800 941 Sean is our toll free telephone number.
We'll get to your calls at the bottom of this half hour.
All right, as we continue, we lost our friend Ron Christie, but Emily Shire remains with us.
All right, because you're a lefty, I've got to ask you.
I I played a lot from this weekend and all these violent protests against Trump people and Trump supporters this weekend.
But you got this madness that has broken out on your side of the political spectrum, Emily, and I want to ask you about it.
My favorites, though, are these three by Madonna and Ashley Judd and this crazy woman that was a Bernie Sanders supporter.
And to our detractors that insist that this march will never add up to anything.
You but this is the hallmark of revolution.
Yes, I'm angry.
Yes, I am outraged.
Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
I am a nasty woman.
I'm nasty.
Like my bloodstains on my bed sheets.
We don't actually choose.
If and when to have our periods, believe me, if we could, some of us would.
We don't like throwing away our favorite pairs of underpants.
Tell me why are tampons and pad still taxed when Viagra and Rogane are not is your erection really more than protecting the sacred messy part of my womanhood is the bloodstain on my jeans.
More embarrassing than the thinning of your hair.
I'm literally about to kill myself that I'm not a kidding.
You better fix this right now.
I literally am gonna die.
I need an ambulance.
And the snowflake meltdown continues.
Emily, they're on your side of the aisle.
Have I ever said I uh during the Obama years, I've thought an awful lot of blowing up the White House.
Um what do you think would have happened to Sean Hannity?
I think people would have reacted, but I would like to say that.
No, no, no, no.
Well, stop, stop.
People would have reacted, or Sean Hannity would be in handcuffs, mugshotted, perp walked, and put in jail.
Look, Donald Trump said during the campaign that Second Amendment supporters could do something about Hillary Clinton implied that she should be a good idea.
And many officials thought that's the first one.
Emily, Emily, I love you, he should have been arrested for it.
Emily wasn't if I said when Obama was president, which I would never say, I thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
What do you think would have happened to me?
Look, Madonna got heat for that for the women's march.
I criticize her for that.
You know, you're still not answering my question.
If I said the same thing, the exact same words on Obama's president, what would have happened to me?
I'm answering it.
I'm saying that you would have gotten criticism as Criticism.
You don't think I would have gotten arrested?
I don't think you would have gotten arrested.
I don't think you would have gotten really I I think you're wrong.
I think I would have been arrested.
And I think I would have been handcuffed.
And I and I don't think you would have brought in a a cake with a file to help get me out either.
Oh, I'm a terrible baker, but that's a separate issue.
Yeah, money you could always buy the cake and slip the file in it.
Um I would hate to see you arrested.
Uh so you think it's okay for people to talk about thinking about blowing up the White House and expressing that.
I think what Madonna said.
That sounds like a terroristic threat to me.
She said I thought a lot, but then he said I'm not, and I'm here today.
Uh look, I think this goes back to a lot of the freedom of speech, which is we were just talking about.
How do we define your it is a difficult decision?
How do we do that?
Well, you can't say fire in a crowded theater.
Maybe not.
And you can't make terroristic threats the last time I checked.
But anyway.
All right, Emily, thank you.
Appreciate it.
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Uh all right, let's go to Dale is in my old stomping grounds from years and years and years ago.
Santa Barbara, California.
What's up, Dale?
How's uh State Street in Paradise?
Oh, wet today, Sean, and thanks for taking my call.
What's going on?
Hey.
Yesterday you had a caller call in about the fact that he got censored by Facebook this past week.
Yeah.
Uh, for posting articles of yours.
I had that happen to me on Saturday morning as well.
I reposted the article, the video clip of uh Elizabeth Warren questioning why we were bombing ISIS.
And they same thing.
It was it was a big thing.
Did you did you take the article from my site and you did you take the article from my site and you were reposting it?
That is correct.
All right, now you you we've got murders and rapes taking place on Facebook, and we're arguing whether or not they should be censored.
Why is Facebook Linda?
Did you make any progress yesterday when I asked you to call Zuckerberg?
Did you make any progress with him?
What did you call over there?
Well, I found his assistant, but you know, she thinks that uh she's unreachable, so I'm still trying to reach her, but our So you can't reach the assistant.
Well, the assistant Is is the, you know, in case you didn't know, the gatekeeper to all things.
You know, you have an assistant.
You know she holds.
Okay, but I thought this guy called in all these conservatives, except for me.
Well, what we did was we reached out to their IT people and they have now asked us to submit all of the links and the proof that this has happened that this is a good thing.
Oh, we've got a error.
Well, we've got to prove to them that they've been censoring our materials on Hannity.com, which are only news articles that we put up every day because we've expanded our news coverage on the website, Hannity.com.
Oh, great.
So you're you're saying this this happened to you.
You reposted the article that we put up.
I remember the article was confused, Elizabeth Warren asked what the overall purpose of bombing ISIS is, which is really a dumb statement.
But and then they what did they do?
They just took it down?
Did they tell you they're taking it down?
They told me that it contained nudity and it violated their uh their conditions of the community conditions.
I immediately challenged it and told them it did not contain any in news.
Right.
Well, that's what the other guy said yesterday.
I mean, we had a call yesterday.
I also screenshotted their their takedown letter.
Yeah.
My response and it's showing it it was specifically your link to her.
All right.
Can you send that to Linda?
So we can we can use that.
Would you mind helping us out?
Just as an FYI, Sean, our listeners and our people on Twitter and Facebook have been amazing and they've been sending tons of links.
So we'll definitely get this one from Dale as well.
But we've got a lot of uh we've got a lot of ammo so far.
It's unbelievable to me.
I mean, meanwhile.
And well, Mr. Zuckerberg, didn't he say that he wanted to reach out to conservatives, and now we're trying to reach out to him and he won't take my phone call.
Yeah, well, you know, when you have murders and rapes and abductions on your on your site and your platform, you might have bigger feast to fry.
Just a thought.
Well, Dale, I'm sorry that happened to you.
And no, we don't put nudity on the website.
And if it's safe for your children, it's just it's actually called real news, not fake news or fake edited news like Ted Coppel.
All right.
So it's I know I'm bad for America.
Maybe maybe Facebook made the decision that Ted Coppel made that I'm bad for America.
Maybe that's what happened.
All right, Dale, thank you.
We appreciate it.
Uh 800 941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program as we get to Susan is in Lemon Cove, California.
How are you, Susan?
We're glad you called.
Hi, sh hi, Sean.
I'm great.
You know, I'm I'm just so sick of everybody picking on Trump and this whole Facebook thing and Zuckerberg saying, you know, take the day off to go protest.
They have no idea what May Day even is.
But what I was really calling is about is that the Republican establishment or whoever better wake up because when I first heard Trump is running, I thought if he does one tenth of what he says he would do, he would be fantastic.
Well, he's already done four-tenths of everything he's already said he's gonna do.
Now it's up to Congress to do it.
And I'm so worried about him with this progressive liberal financial guys like Conn and everybody.
I wish it was Larry Cudlow or somebody in there who really has the normal people's back and not these these democrats.
Well, I have an up I have an update on this.
A lot of this I found out last night from my top sources in the White House.
A lot of it, what you're reading and hearing about is all noise.
And A, the president hasn't changed from the promises he made you when he was running for office, and B, nobody's going anywhere.
Bannon's not leaving, Jared's not leaving, Ivanka's not leaving, Rines isn't leaving, Steve Miller's not leaving, everybody is where they are right now.
Now, is there intramural squabbles?
Yeah, probably like in every corporate environment in the country.
But you know, beyond that, that's not where the president's head's at.
And the president seems to be singularly focused on one thing, and that is keeping his promises.
And if he does that, he will be a successful president.
If he doesn't do that, then he hurts himself.
But I have not seen any evidence to date that he's doing that.
The only thing that really pisses me off is that Congress can't get their act together and do their job that they have been promising all these years.
And I can't stand people that take vacation every other day.
Get your ass to work.
Thank you so much for assuring the American people that that's what's going on.
Because I really do think Trump has America's best interest at heart, and I think he's doing fantastic.
But everybody just wants to sabotage him.
And the only person who's never done that is you, because you speak the truth and you really understand what the American people want.
So thank you so much.
Well, you're very kind.
By the way, there are a lot of my media colleagues that absolutely hate my guts for being who I am, but I'm very proud of that.
And I'm also proud I've never been to a White House correspondence dinner ever.
Ever.
And I'll never ever go either.
And I've been threatened with my job.
You're gonna get extra stars in heaven.
listen, I don't know if I may I don't know if I make it to heaven.
If anybody is not worthy of it, it's certainly me.
I'll tell you that.
So but if you're there, I'll be happy you made it.
And just you know, maybe put in a good word for me, okay.
Maybe I won't go to Dante's, you know, ninth level of hell.
Maybe I'll just go to the first level of hell, which would suck.
And would you ever read Dante's Inferno?
There's all these different levels of hell.
I forget what the certain sins are, but I'm sure I fit into every category.
Although the whole story of Jesus is about salvation and that he forgives our sins, but I've never understood the idea that even though you ask for forgiveness and you're you're forgiven, why do we keep sinning?
Even the even people that are preachers, I know.
I said, Well, you have you ever stopped sinning?
No, I sin every day.
And then I reminded that Jesus said to one of his apostles, a just man sins, you know, seven times seventy times a day.
I'm like, Well, I'm screwed.
Because I'm not half as good as these people.
Anyway, I digress for a second.
What?
Why are you give me the call the look?
Why am I getting the cold?
I think you should be forgiven just for knowing that much about the Bible.
I'm sure Jesus Christ is up there saying, I've risen, I'm here, I hear you, you're good.
He's only gonna send you to the first level, although I think once you get to hell, every level sucks, so what's the difference?
That's what I think.
But if my humble opinion says to the depot the apostles, the average man sends 70 times seven.
Well, that's a lot of sinning.
Listen, you you you did your penance.
I saw you just went to a red carpet event.
I mean, you're already, you know, you're doing your good deeds.
We're gonna go to the holy land.
You can touch the wall and talk to Jesus, he'll be there.
Okay.
The uh do you know anything about the wall, the Western Wall?
No.
No, okay.
Do you know anything about the stations of the cross that Jesus is in Jerusalem?
No.
Did you know the Alaska Mosque is in the middle of Jerusalem?
I can't even spell it.
Do you know the Armenian sector in Jerusalem?
Never heard of it.
Oh, good.
And why am I taking you to Israel?
Because I know people that know things about the things that you're talking about.
Okay.
I know people that know people.
I know a guy who's got a guy, and that guy's got a guy over at the Alaska Mosque.
All right.
Uh all right, my buddy Tavaris is with us.
Now, Tvaris kind of turned on me.
You know, we sent Tavaris to college.
He gets his degree, he kept his end of the bargain.
I kept my end of the bargain.
You call in last time and you turn on me.
What was that all about?
Never that, Sean.
I I I love you.
You didn't know you were you weren't loving on me the last time.
Your new name, I I renamed you, sir, is insanity Drago Hannity.
You know who Drago was, right?
Yeah, I know who Drago was.
Why do you say that?
Because you you're Trump's drago, baby.
Without you, without you, it wouldn't be Trump.
There will be no, there would be no Donald.
And I'm and I'm and I'm mad at the president for this one reason because he's trying to he's trying to snake his way in and take my best friend from me.
It's not gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen, Mr. President.
He's already spoken for.
There's my best friend, and you can't have him.
And and and I already let Big Baby James.
I will break your best friend.
I will break you.
I will break you.
Listen.
And when Rocky, and when Rocky put on the Trump, it it changed it changed.
When he put on the trunk, it changed things.
You know what I mean?
and I'm Rocky.
We're not going to have Chicago.
We're not going to have Chicago.
It's so funny you say this because I watched Rocky one and two this weekend.
And I I identify as, you know, the the paper boy, dishwasher, cook, bus boy, waiter, bartender, tile layer, house painter, wallpaper hanger, roofer, framer.
That's my life, man.
That's two decades of my life.
But here it is.
Here I'm I I take care of my buddy Tavaris.
I send you to college, you and I make a deal, your life gets better, and then you turn on me in the last time you called, you totally stab me, you shiv me in the back.
What was up with that?
I would never do that because best friends don't do that.
You already, you already did it the last time you called.
I had to dump you.
I uh you always do, you always dump me, and I still love you for it.
But the thing is, Sean, I can't let my best friend continue to be a double agent of the Russians.
Double agent of the Russians.
Are you but listen?
You must be watching like MSNBC and Rachel Matter or something.
What are you talking about?
I don't have to although I love Richard Matt Albert, I don't have time to watch her like like a lot of people.
Yeah, you ought to you ought to be you ought to be watching your brother from another mother who sent you to college because he loves you.
I do.
I I'll watch you, and uh my son can't stay up long enough to watch you, but we we I I'll watch you, Sean, and but you know what?
You know what?
I'm still I'm still glad I helped you out.
You know why?
Because you kept your end of the bargain.
I did.
I may I make the same deal with my kids.
Like I say to my kids, all right, you want to go to college, you want to do this, you want to do that.
Okay, you gotta do your part.
And you did your part.
You stepped up and you were you manned up, you got it done.
You did it for your family.
I'm proud of you.
I really am.
You're a good guy.
And Sean.
And Sean, your blessing has turned into the blessing for three other people that I was able to get jobs for with the company that I work for.
I mean, your blessing just keeps on moving on to the city.
I know.
So maybe maybe you ought to look at me in a new light and realize maybe your buddy here, Hannity, is is looking out for the country the way I looked out for you.
You know, like I always say, Sean, you are all right, American.
I'm an all right America.
You know, you're such a jackass.
I don't even know why I like you, but I like you.
I you're a jackass, but I like you.
Jesus rolled in on a jackass.
Remember that.
Oh, now you're comparing yourself to Jesus on the donkey.
Oh my god.
Uh yeah, I'll be the hey, I'll be that jackass that Jesus rolled in on, baby.
Oh, man.
Even the jackass was blessed.
Oh.
Come on now.
That's actually a preacher Hannity.
Uh listen, I'm not a listen, I'm not I said I'm a humble sinner, man.
I know.
I I know where my place in this world.
Sean Pastor Hannity.
That's what I'm that's another.
I'm not a pastor.
I'm not listening.
I heard you're reciting the Bible over there.
All right, so I've I've read the Bible.
I believe in Jesus.
I believe that God created the world, but I also know I've been incorrigible since I'm I'm six days old.
Right.
So I've been in trouble.
I bet I have been in trouble my entire life.
I was the biggest pain in the ass to my parents.
Guilty as charged.
My mother would say, Don't leave the house.
I said, You don't leave the house.
And I'd walk out the door.
That's pretty bad, right?
That's pretty horrible.
And with Jesus, the only time Jesus questioned God is is when he looked in a cup and saw your sins.
He said, For real?
I got to I gotta do what this guy saying.
You know, that's the only thing.
Listen, I I was watching The Passion of the Crisis Weekend.
I can't watch that movie without being moved and not feeling like listen, I'm gonna tell you how I feel.
I'm like, I feel sorry for my part.
Because I tell you I'm not I don't deserve what he did for us.
All right, there's I'm gonna end on that happy note because Easter just passed, and I'm I'm owning up to it.
I know I know my good, I know my bad.
I know my my faults, I know my strengths.
I know I look at myself, I'm far more introspective and and rooted in reality than you may think, Mr. Wiseass.
So I still like you anyway, all right?
Bless you, Sean.
All right, God bless you, brother.
God bless your family too.
Tell us give the baby a kiss from from Uncle Sean, all right?
Don't forget.
Uh let's say hi to.
Well, I can't have to say hi because I gotta take a break here.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of this extravaganza.
Don't forget, we got Hannity tonight.
We got a great show tonight.
I'm gonna rip Congress in my opening monologue tonight.
I just can't take it anymore.
I've done it before.
I'm gonna do it again because they gotta wake up.
And we have Monica Crowley tonight, Donald Trump Jr. tonight, uh, General Jack Keene tonight, Dr. Gorka tonight, and we have a world that's gone mad.
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