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April 1, 2017 - Sean Hannity Show
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ObamaCare Debacle - 3.31

Sean sits down with Ann Coulter to discuss the efforts to repeal ObamaCare.  The American Healthcare Act was a doomed failure but it didn't have to be!  Coulter discusses the path to solving the health care issues in the country! The Sean Hannity Show is live weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A lot in the news today.
We got five stories we're really following today, the not the least of which is our continuation of the Russia conspiracy story and surveillance and unmasking and leaking of intelligence.
And now the White House has urged the House Intel Committee to investigate Evelyn Farkas.
Um, who predicted that from the get-go?
I did.
Uh so we'll get to that today.
Also, the media wants to distract you and say, Oh, what Devin Nunez, the House Intelligence Committee Chairman, did is outrageous.
He shared with the president.
The White House was involved.
Um, they're lying to you.
Because what they don't want you to focus on is the big issue that, well, then candidate, the opposing party candidate Trump was surveilled by the current administration.
And by all the the looks of this, it seems like not only surveillance, but a masking and laws broken by intelligence leaks.
We know that happened in the case of General Flynn.
By the way, we'll talk about the media spin on General Flynn saying, yeah, I got a lot to say.
I want to hear from General Flynn.
I'm all for it.
And then he's not going to get immunity.
I still want him to testify.
Because I think at the end of the day, let's find out who's the people who are the people responsible for leaking the intelligence on General Flynn, destroying his life and career and ruining his reputation.
Then we've got an unprecedented moment beginning to happen, and that is Democrats are trying to spin very hard today that it will be Senator Mitch McConnell's fault if the majority leader and his colleagues are forced to invoke the nuclear option to end the Democratic gridlock on Judge Neil Gorsuch.
But the fact and the truth are very different as well.
The media won't tell you this.
It's actually Chucky Schumer and the Democrats now going scorched earth, and they're so livid at anything Donald Trump does that they are starting an anti-Gorsha Gorsuch campaign that threatens to blow up a Senate tradition.
See, they don't even want to have an up or down vote on Neil Gorsuch, even though it was a signature issue in the campaign, who would pick the next Supreme Court nominee, and it would be the first ever.
This is Chuck Schumer's plan, the first ever partisan filibuster of a Supreme Court nominee, and Schumer and the Democrats would be breaking in over 200-year Senate tradition.
Now, if they do that, as I've been saying, Republicans are just play too nice.
Republicans allow up and down votes for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, and uh who's the other one?
You know, we've got all these liberal justices, Elena Kagan.
They're fair.
They allow up or down votes.
But the Democrats don't play by those rules.
And it has Obama reminded us so often in his entire term elections have consequences.
All right, but I want to start with a top story today because I'm I have I've had it up to here with something.
I'm not going to rant and I'm not going to rave.
I'm going to, at the end of this, offer an idea and a solution to a very big problem that we are now experiencing, and that is blame that's being put on people that don't deserve to be blamed.
And I'm talking about the Freedom Caucus.
And yes, Donald Trump is, he thinks the Freedom Caucus is responsible.
But I'll tell you what really just threw me over the ledge today.
I'm reading the New York Times.
I know it's a piece of garbage, but I I flip through it occasionally because it's in my stack.
And what do I say?
I see Adam Kinziger.
Where's he from, Kinziger?
He's from uh I don't even remember.
Anyway, so he's a Republican.
And he writes this long drawn-out story.
How the Freedom Caucus is undermining the GOP.
And he's from Illinois.
That's right.
All right.
And I'm thinking, really?
Undermining the GOP.
We're going to get lectures from you.
And then I Googled Adam Kinziger and his name.
And I started reading the article.
And of course, everything's the Freedom Caucus's fault.
That's why healthcare bill didn't pass, et cetera, et cetera.
And what did I find?
Oh, Adam Kinziger.
Trump absolutely wrong for Assange tweet.
He goes on, Trump's Sweden comment, an embarrassing moment.
Representative Kinzinger.
Trump says Trump's vote fraud claims undermine the Constitution.
He says President Trump's, you know, the vote.
Well, we know vote fraud is in the country.
We know.
We just haven't been able to get the exact numbers.
I can't defend Trump's criticism of intelligence on Russia, and I'm not going to, Adam Kinzinger.
He says I can't, and that's just another article of his.
He also says he can't vote for Trump.
Really?
You can't vote for your party's nominee, the people, the people that chose Donald Trump to be the nominee of the Republican Party.
He didn't even vote for him.
He said he wanted to get to the place where he'd feel comfortable endorsing the GOP nominee, but as the Illinois Congressman and Air Force pilot told Wolf Blitzer, Wednesday evening, this is August 3rd, way before anything had happened.
Anyway, the window of support appears to be closed.
I don't see how I get there anymore.
Among the other sins, Kinziger cited Trump's comments on NATO, his attacks on a gold star family, blaming George Bush for 9-11 as red lines of unforgivable in politics that Trump was crossing.
And I'm an American before I'm a Republican.
Well, maybe the Freedom Caucus are conservatives before they're Republican too.
You know, King Kinzinger, by the way, joined Duncan Hunter, by the way.
He did ask for the pardon for Clint Lorant, so we're glad about one thing he did.
Here's the point.
You didn't support your party's nominee.
And now you're going to lecture the Freedom Caucus for standing on their values and principles.
I'm not buying it.
And with all due respect to the Speaker of the House, you know, he wasn't out there endorsing President Trump much either.
He wouldn't even be seen with him during the campaign.
Now let's be just totally blunt and honest here.
Most of the Freedom Caucus members supported the president in his Election.
They withstood a lot of criticism at times.
Anybody that supported Trump took a lot of criticism and a lot of heat.
Paul Ryan, you know, he unloaded on Donald Trump's plan to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., which was never his plan.
Donald Trump never said that.
Have that article in front of me.
Here's another article.
CNN, Paul Ryan rips Donald Trump remarks as textbook definition of a racist comment.
That's what he said.
Bias because of Mexican heritage when he made that comment.
Paul Ryan calls Trump's hero Julian Assange a sycophant for Russia.
Paul Ryan, this is a newsmax, criticizes Trump over the use of the star of David.
What?
I don't even know what that's about.
Another headline.
Paul Ryan says Trump's campaign is distressing, but stands by the endorsement he made.
But when in the final weeks of the campaign, Paul Ryan told me there was no way that Trump could win Wisconsin.
Told me personally.
And he was, he wouldn't even be seen with him.
I remember calling the speaker.
Why are you, why are you not in your state when your presidential candidate of your party's going there?
I remember asking him, what are you doing?
Paul Ryan widens the crack between Hill Republicans and Donald Trump.
There's another headline.
And it goes on from there.
Now here's what I'm going to do right now, and I'm going to break down and tell you the truth about what happened with the health care bill.
Now, I've gone over this in great detail.
I won't do it now again, but at the end of the day, I give the president a lot of really, really high marks.
I think this president, more than anybody I've really seen in my lifetime, moves at a speed and a pace that is incredible and frankly refreshing, especially when dealing with the bureaucracy of Washington, D.C. Now, I've always promised I'm going to hold people accountable and tell you the truth, and I don't care who I'm talking about.
So that's what I'm doing here today.
And I want the president to be able to get the bill that the American people want on health care.
And if it takes longer than he likes or anybody else likes, I'd rather get it right than get it done fast.
That's my position.
Now, there's really two things that the American people want out of a new health care bill.
They want lower premiums and they want better care.
And they don't want another $5,400 increase in the next eight years.
And they don't want yearly increases of 117% like this year in Arizona.
So it's pretty basic what the people are looking for, and there's a lot of creative waste.
The American people don't want to hear about reconciliation or process.
They don't want to hear about the bird rule.
They don't want to hear about cloture votes.
And the problem with this bill was not the freedom caucus.
It was the House leadership that bots this thing from the beginning.
Now, what do you mean by that?
Well, I mean, and this is, and the thing is it was so unnecessary here.
This need not have happened this way.
But the problem is the leadership in the House put a bill in to be scored by the CBO.
Not one House member got to see the bill before they rolled the bill out publicly.
Ding ding ding-ding-ding.
Huge mistake.
Because it's really the job of the leadership to build the consensus before you roll out the bill and make sure you're gonna have the votes, especially because you've been promising the American people this for eight years.
It's ridiculous.
So nobody shows anybody the bill.
Then they release it publicly without any consensus built for the bill, and then there's a public civil war breaking out on national television and on radio and everywhere else because this particular group, the moderates are against this part, and the Tuesday group's against this part, and the study groups against this part, and the Freedom Caucus is against this part, and then they just hand the bill that nobody saw before, and they put the presidents in him out there to support the bill.
It's not his job to legislate.
He's the executive branch, but to the president's credit, he did all the heavy lifting, got as many votes as he could, tried to make as many changes with these different factions within the party as he possibly could.
There was a three-week period, according to Mark Meadows and Freedom Caucus members I've talked to where the leadership in the House wouldn't even talk to them at all.
And remember on this program, Mark Meadows said, Hey, I give the president AAA plus for reaching out and working with us and trying to save this thing nobody had seen before.
but the leadership in the House wasn't talking to them.
Meadows and the president apparently had a deal, but as soon as Meadows left the Oval Office, then the people that work with leadership said, Well, we're not going to be able to do that because of reconciliation and process and la la la la la.
You know, how do you release a bill that not one member saw?
How do you release a bill knowing you have coalitions in your party?
How do you release a bill that not one separate group is on board with?
And you know, a more intelligent way to do this was build the bill, bring in smart think tanks like Heritage Action, and bring in Cato.
They wrote, you know, that's where patient health savings accounts came from.
Musgrave and Goodman, patient power is the name of the book.
I'd suggest anyone in DC read the thing.
And then after you do that, bring in other groups like the Club for Growth and Americans for Prosperity.
There's smart people at these think tanks.
They get paid a lot of money to study this full time.
And then you bring in the Freedom Caucus, find out what they need, and you bring in the moderates, find out what they need in the study group in the Tuesday, Sunday, Wednesday, Saturday night group, and bring everybody together.
And what you do is you build a bill, and okay, you guys are gonna have to live with this, nothing's perfect.
You guys are gonna have to live with this, you give here, we'll give there, and lo and behold, you build the bill that you know is gonna pass, and then you roll it out, and in the pro and the same time you build consensus in the Senate because the House passes their bill, the Senate passes their bill.
If they're that dramatically different, in conference, it's gonna blow up there.
So you bring all these groups together.
That's how it should have been handled.
And now this blame game and having somebody like Kinziger attack the Freedom Cauc, I just can't take it.
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Music I'm not going to belabor this point all day here today because it just is not.
I I just don't see the upsidedness.
Nobody saw the bill.
They released the healthcare bill.
Now you've got guys that don't even vote for Trump Like Adam Kenzinger slamming the Freedom Caucus.
I just, you know what?
He's been useless.
Now, after eight years, it's pretty unforgivable, but there's really only one solution at this point.
And every they've got to go back and build consensus.
Talk to the moderates, the Tuesday group, talk to the Freedom Caucus, talk to the Wednesday group, the Saturday night group, the group that has no group, talk to them all and get into the study group.
Get them all in there.
And go to each member.
Bring in Secretary Price, bring in the Vice President Pence, bring in people from the White House.
Bring in the Senate, bring in Cruz, bring in Rand, bring in uh Senator Tom Cotton.
Bring in McConnell.
This way the House and Senate can get on the same page, and that would expedite any process or conflict during conference and get the job done.
So everybody's got to understand here.
It's like Michael Crichton.
I explained the movie Michael Crichton.
Michael Crichton is in this movie.
Uh Michael Douglas is in this movie.
It's called Disclosure.
His book, Disclosure.
I read the book, I watched the movie.
The movie is pretty good.
Debbie Moore did a good job, and so did uh Michael Douglas.
And and Sutherland is in there too, is one of the older guys.
Anyway, long story.
They try to set this guy up.
And he and Michael Douglas has a friend who's telling him solve the problem.
So instead of pointing figures, fingers, now they should go back and do what they should have done in the beginning.
And that is get all these groups together behind closed doors.
I keep saying lock the door, order pizza beer, ice cream, crayons, coloring books, throw away the key, and do your job.
That's the only answer you have at this point.
And get a bill.
Build the bill the president wants and will sign.
Build the consensus you should have built before.
Get a bill that's going to answer the needs of the American people, which are very simple.
Lower premiums, better care, more access.
And get your job done after eight years.
Turn off the TV cameras.
Go into stop the intramural fighting.
It looks bad.
It looks like you're not prepared to lead.
End all of the leaking.
And they've got a window here where they can fix the mistake that they built here.
But attacking the Freedom Caucus, some of the most loyal supporters of Donald Trump during the campaign is just to me unfair.
It's not their fault they didn't see the bill.
It's not their fault, they don't agree with everything in the bill.
And I just think, you know, this intimidation, arm twisting, all of this was so unnecessary.
And why I'm sitting here on the sidelines having to tell these people this is beyond frustrating.
I shouldn't have to say peep about this.
They should have done their job from the get-go.
We wouldn't be in the position we are in now.
We'll continue.
We are bad for America.
You know, a friend of mine sent me an interesting, a really close friend of mine, somebody that I care about a lot.
Well, I'll tell you what is Deborah Burlingame.
She lost her brother on line eleven who was flying the who was flying the uh American Airlines plane that day.
Anyway, she said, send me a quote of Thomas Jefferson.
And Jefferson saying about the press, nothing can now be believed that is seen in the newspaper.
Truth becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.
The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.
Anyway, putting that aside.
Do I have to listen to the likes of Adam Kinzinger?
The biggest Trump critic.
Didn't vote for Trump, said he wouldn't vote for Trump.
You have to listen to him.
Lecture the Freedom Caucus.
No, thank you.
How about next time you do it the right way, and the House leadership gets their act together?
Um, don't be surprised in the next couple of days.
So it's gonna be interesting to watch.
You're gonna see more stories about Chuck Schumer screaming at a waitress or chewing out a flight attendant, because it looks like his plan to filibuster the Gorsak domination, and may have a chance of crumbling before his eyes.
I'm not so sure I'm getting there yet.
Anyway, West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, North Dakota Senator Heidi uh Heitkamp said today that they are going to allow an up or down vote.
Now their announcements were, and then Pat Leahy said he's not sure if he's gonna support the filibuster.
And then we have a tape of Claire McCaskill who's up in 2018 saying she's not sure if she's gonna support it.
Look, what Schumer's trying to say is, oh, what they're doing is outrageous.
What they're doing here is horrible.
You know, this they might invoke the nuclear option, even though Harry Reid did it himself, but not for a Supreme Court nomination.
But the real precedence here is there's never been in 200 years a party blocking a judge over a partisan filibuster.
In other words, blocking an up or down vote of the choice of the president.
Now that's not advising consent.
They don't even want to vote on this.
So the unprecedented move would be Chuck Schumer's.
And they're trying to spin really hard.
Well, it's Senator McConnell's fault.
No, Senator McConnell is responding to their unprecedented move and then pull.
Look, Republicans don't they don't play by the same rules.
Elena Kagan, Sonia Sadamayor, Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
They all get up or down votes.
You know they're going to pass, and you know they're left-wing radicals.
There's not a choice.
Republicans play fair.
The Democrats never play fair, so stop playing by their rules.
Chuck Schumer's not fair.
Chuck Schumer wants, you know, that's why it's kind of laughable, this idea that the president's going to reach out to Democrats.
They want to destroy Donald Trump.
They're part of this whole conspiracy to take him down any way they can.
We're going to see how that works out.
Let me give you another line of attack here that has been going on.
So Devin Nunez gets a hold of information that in fact confirms what Sarah Carter, John Solomon, James Rosen, and myself and others have been saying, yeah, there was real surveillance.
Donald Trump was right when he said that surveillance was taking place at Trump Tower by the Obama administration.
And we discovered, oh, Sarah Carter and John Solomon point out, yeah, there was uh there was a Pfizer warrant that was issued in early October, and there was a regular criminal warrant issued in early October, and as part of the ancillary investigation into whether or not Russia was influencing the election or try to, well, yeah, they got into the Trump server in the middle of the campaign, which just so happened to be the same server for the entire campaign.
And then, of course, Devin Nunez has information that shows that um all the surveillance went a lot deeper than that, and as a matter of fact, it continued beyond November 8th, all through November, December, and January, and the president was in fact being surveilled, and it seems like for political purposes.
So he finds his sources that have proof, he gets the proof and he brings it to the president.
Now, the Democrats, you think they would be upset that a presidential candidate, an opposition party candidate, then a president elect was being surveilled by the current president occupant of the Oval Office.
Maybe not him personally, but his administration.
What did he know?
When did he know it?
I don't know.
Will we ever get to the bottom of it?
Who knows?
But the question is all the media wants to focus.
This is outrageous.
He needs to recuse himself and step down.
Well, let's ask the question.
Does the disclosure of intelligence data, whether it be given by a White House official or the White House counsel, it doesn't matter, who are authorized to have material and give it to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, is that a violation of law?
No.
It's not.
Jay Sekulow and the American Center for Law and Justice put up a great piece about this today.
Also, we have Pete Hoekstra weighing in on this because the alt-left Democratic destroy Trump media is trying to pretend that when Nunez went to the White House to view sensitive intelligence on the Obama surveillance operations, oh it's a crime of the century.
It's just not true.
Well, according to the former House Intelligence Committee chairman, Pete Hoekstra, that's the way sensitive intelligence has always been handled by past committee chairmen.
So there's nothing new about this.
For years, intelligence committee chiefs have trekked on over to the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue or to an intelligence agency to view super sensitive intelligence material because the Congressional Secure Room can't handle that material.
So he was doing what he was supposed to Do what people before them have done.
Anyway, so the Pete Hochster went out there and told the Daily Caller if someone was going to present me with raw intelligence or unfinished intelligence or with intelligence which was designed to use by another part of the government.
It's very reasonable to suspect to expect that I would go somewhere else.
This is basically standard operating procedure.
So you see what the media is trying to do, they're trying to tear down Nunez Nunez because Nunez actually did his job the way it's always been done.
But you see the perfect obfuscation.
Because now they get to say, oh, look at this conspiracy.
It happened on White House grounds.
Well, it happened in the old executive office building, so not technically, yes, but in reality, no.
And it's all done to smear him so that they can obstruct from the fact that the surveillance and unmasking of and intel leaks were that severe by the former administration.
Which now brings us to the whole Evelyn Farkas issue, which we have been hammering all week here on this program.
And I mean, for the love of God, I mean, somebody tell this woman.
I I almost feel bad for her at this point.
She goes out there, says this thing that it becomes news.
Jeffrey Lord, I talked to him earlier.
He's going to join us on the program later.
He let her, I guess, put in the American Spectator unedited words and her explanation of all this.
Now she's claiming the Russians did it.
And on the dark campaign of fake news, you know, that's still ongoing.
Um, we see even someone like myself get sweeped up in all of this.
Right.
Uh, you know, when when people like me are speaking on behalf of process, people spin it uh to suit their needs.
And I think it may be that the Russians are behind even such fake news today.
Could be the Russians did it.
The Russians did it.
You know, in New Hampshire, the state Senate up there is considering stopping selling Russian vodka.
Thank God we've got Tito's, which comes out of Texas, because who needs Stolichnaya at that point.
Um, that's how ridiculous this has gotten.
This is so absurd.
This lady's now claiming the Russians did it.
What is he?
What does she think?
Vladimir Putin, Vladdy called me and said, Hey, hey, Hannity, Hannity, I uh I have a little more flexibility now uh since uh Hillary lost.
So um I'm gonna pass on this intel to you.
This is my last question, please.
Yes.
I understand my budget.
I have all parts.
I understand.
I transmit this information to Vladimir.
Thank you.
Farkas said in the original statement on Liberal Joe.
I'm urging my former colleagues, get as much information.
Get as much intelligence as you can.
This is raw intelligence.
You don't have a a warrant to tap into Donald Trump.
That's illegal.
Leaking it is illegal.
They didn't have a warrant.
And then she even confirms that that a masking took place.
Uh the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about there, the Trump staff, you know, dealing with the Russians, they try to compromise sources and methods.
This is how insane this is.
Anyway, I mean, it's crazy.
Then she walks it all back, and now they're blaming Sean Hannity for all this.
And all I did was play her in its full context.
Now she's even claiming Jeff Lloyd says that it was edited.
There's nothing edited here that I know of.
It's supposedly a live show.
And if she has tape to prove it's edited, I'll play the whole thing on the program.
If she has evidence that Vladimir Putin called me, bring it on.
Because I never talked to Vladimir in my life.
I don't even think I've ever talked to anybody in Russia my whole life.
I'd have an interview with I know it's obscene.
It's the whole thing is getting nuts.
Now it gets even, you know, she's like the chatty Kathy of the Obama wiretapping scandals.
I know she's friends with Rick Unger.
Tell Rick Unger to tell her to Shush.
I mean, she is now gonna get the house.
White House is urging the House Intelligence Committee, rightly so, to investigate Farkas.
And if I'd have to bet, I'd say Democrats are gonna end up being extremely sorry they ever started with this rushing gate conspiracy nonsense.
It's all gonna, it's all gonna blow up in their face.
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White House is now asking Congress to dig deeper into whether communications of Trump associates were improperly picked up and disseminated during surveillance operations after Evelyn Farkas suggested her former colleagues tried to gather such material.
Here's another interesting sidebar to this.
That there is confirmation from MBC News.
They confirm the Obama administration officials saved the Trump Russia probe documents.
Just like Evelyn Farkas said.
And was suggesting to her colleagues on the Capitol Hill, her former colleagues, as she says.
So now the White House counsel, Dan McGahn, specifically cited Evelyn Parkas'comments in a letter to the leaders of the House Intelligence Committee as he invited lawmakers now to view the documents, including Adam Schiff, the leading Democrat who was blasting Devin Nunes.
Well, now he's seen it.
So is he going to blast himself?
I mean, this has gotten so far from what reality is.
Oh, and then Evelyn, Chatty Kathy here.
I mean, somebody help this woman out.
This woman is gonna be in deep trouble here.
I wasn't joking the other day.
I was saying it in a joking manner.
But now I I I get the impression this woman has no clue about dealing with media.
She has no clue about what she revealed here.
And she did it so nonchalantly.
Anyway, she goes on in a in a Vox story on February 16 and saying that it feels something like that's why when I talk about our response, what our response should be from the perspective of trying to get at the facts, I oftentimes invoke 911.
What?
She said six weeks ago that Russia's hack in the Hillary's campaign email was worse for America than a 9-11 attacks.
Okay.
Tell Ungar to call her.
I'm really I'm being very serious here.
This is not good.
So the White House invited lawmakers to view the surveillance documents.
Now the MBC confirmed the Obama administration saved it, just like Farkas said.
The deputy Trump campaign manager goes on to say Dave Bosse, who served as the chief investigator for the House Government Reform Oversight Committee during the 90s is calling for Evelyn Farkas to submit to a lie detector test.
I picked up from the beginning how damaging this was going to be to her.
Anyway, in a newsmax interview and on Fox and Friends, Bossi called on the House and Senate investigators to subpoena Evelyn Farkas.
By the way, who predicted that?
Hello.
Remember when I started the show the other day.
Evelyn Varkas.
This is my advice, not claiming you've broken any laws whatsoever, but you may want to consult with an attorney.
I was giving her good advice.
I was actually being nice.
She needs to be hooked up to a lie detector pretty quick and get into deposition before she finds herself a very good lawyer that she is going to need.
They need to be sending her a subpoena.
They need to be deposing her immediately.
Oh, here's an interesting sidebar, too.
New document dumped by WikiLeaks contains information on recently developed CIA cyber warfare technology.
This is the Vault 7 release.
Remember, they only released less than 1% of it, which detail CIA hacking tactics that include the CIA's ability to mask their own cyber attacks by inserting code fragments in foreign languages.
And that that tool was used as recently as 2016.
What do we hear from the beginning?
Remember everyone ignored that the documents might have been released by a Democrat.
This call could have been set up internal.
Who knows?
You have some you have some unsavory characters in intelligence right now.
That does not smear the intelligence community, most of whom happen to be good people.
By the way, there was a we're learning today that Hillary Clinton was granted unprecedented access to classified State Department documents after she resigned as Secretary of State.
Fox News said today.
Anyway, so this is getting crazier and crazier by the day.
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All right, Adam Kinsinger.
He said he wouldn't even vote for Trump.
Now he's going to excoriate the Freedom Caucus.
Wow.
That's something.
Paul Ryden wouldn't even be seen with then candidate Donald Trump in his home state or anywhere.
I don't think he went on the campaign trail once.
Told me personally, oh, I think we can't win Wisconsin.
That's not going to happen.
All right, we'll get to that.
Also the very latest on this Russian conspiracy, surveillance, unmasking, leaking of intelligence.
We'll have more on these on unprecedented attacks on Chairman Nunez that's happening.
And we'll get to a lot of your calls today as well.
And we have uh also coming up.
Ann Coulter's going to join us today, and Jeffrey Lord, who and Rick Unger that both know this woman Farkas.
Boy, somebody needs to tell her get off TV like yesterday.
Straight ahead.
Straight ahead.
As we continue the you know, who are Donald Trump's real friends?
And I'm looking at all these comments of, you know, all these people that have taken on the president and didn't support him in the election, and all of a sudden now that I guess the health care bill didn't go as he wanted, he thinks that the freedom caucus is his enemy.
I don't think believe that for a second.
And uh I'm especially ticked off at the piece that I read by Adam Kinzinger.
I mean, this is a guy, you look at all the articles.
Oh, Kinsinger.
Trump wrong on on the Assange tweet.
Uh Trump's Sweden comment an embarrassing moment, uh, saying the United States was uh uh was a terrorist attack and there wasn't.
You know, going on and on everything, and he said he wouldn't vote for him.
But now he's lecturing the Freedom Caucus who did support him and help get him elected.
Gets a little frustrating.
And then he had a speaker of the House that wouldn't even appear with Donald Trump when he was a candidate.
But it's the Freedom Caucus that's the problem.
Well, maybe if Paul Ryan in the legislative branch after eight years would have put together a bill that was consensus driven and that brought all the different coalitions in the Republican Party in the House together before they unveiled this bill, it would have worked out a lot better for everybody.
Anyway, Ann Coulter is with us, uh, and of course, E. Pluribus awesome, the case for Trump and New York Times bestseller.
How are you?
Fantastic.
And I'm sorry to say I agree with everything you just said.
Me too.
It's sad.
I'm like, what's going on here?
You know, who's our real friends in all of this?
No, I know, and I I don't know.
I as um, you know, I keep holding the Emperor God Trump harmless on everything.
So whoever told him um to send out those mean tweets about the freedom caucus should be fired and kept away from him as much as possible.
No, I think this is this is a terrible mistake, particularly because of what a disaster that Obamacare light was.
Oh my gosh, we would have been wiped out in the midterms if that had gone through.
It is the classic Republican move.
We won't actually overturn all the socialist stuff the Democrats did.
We'll just give you less free stuff.
Oh, that's fantastic.
Um, and as I described in my comb this week, and I look, I understand the politics of this.
I've I've worked in the Senate.
Um, and I know a lot of times conservative purists in this way or that can come up with, you know, the perfect plan, the perfect deal, and and politicians sit back and say, Yeah, but we're never going to get that passed.
We have constituents, we have Democrats.
No, the bill I have um is beautiful.
Democrats can't vote against it.
It is very simple.
You keep everyone on Obamacare who wants to stay on Obamacare.
There is no One to complain about that.
But you allow a free market in health insurance, nationwide free market.
Within a year, eighty percent of of Americans will be buying their health insurance on the free market.
I'll finally have decent health insurance where um if I get cancer, I can go to a decent cancer hospital, but I won't have to pay through my health insurance premiums for everyone else's, you know, transgender operations and pregnancies and prenatal natal care and and gambling addiction therapy.
That is how Obamacare is paid for.
That is the the true evil of Obamacare.
Instead of just being a standard welfare program that we pay for, everybody pays taxes.
Warren Buffett pays more than Anne does.
Um and out of the general funds, the welfare cases are funded.
No, this is a welfare program that we pay for through our insurance premiums, and Anne pays as much, probably more than Warren Buffett does.
I'm sorry, that's just not fair.
Please let us just have a free market in health insurance.
We can have little geckos on TV advertising, the great plans, good prices.
The free market always provides better access, better prices.
I don't want Paul Ryan figuring out what my premium should do.
I want an insurance company competing for my business.
And if Congress would just do that, within a year, the welfare cases would be much smaller, and they can figure out, you know, his little, you know, precious quasi-free market ways to deliver that.
But who cares if they vote against it?
It's just another welfare plan paid out of a general fund as opposed to through our insurance premiums.
Have you been following, and I agree with everything you just said, and you said it very articulately.
I don't have much to add to it.
The free market solves all our problems.
Have you been following the attacks on Devin Nunes and and I don't know if you've been watching my show and all this tape that I keep playing of Evelyn Farkas who used to work for Obama.
Fantastic.
I'm so glad you're playing that.
No, I'm in LA.
I'm always going to dinner right when your show comes on.
Um I'm getting ready right before you come on.
I'll have to have later dinner appointments.
Um but yes, the You're aware of the story is hilarious.
They just keep it really is 19 George Orwell's 1984 where they keep cycling through a new a new Emmanuel Goldstein.
That was the guy, the fictional person they'd put up on screen and have the two minutes hate where all the people would just scream their faces contorted in rage, scream at Emmanuel Gold scene.
So our manual gold scenes so far have been, well, of course, Trump himself, Steve Bannon, uh Stephen Miller, um, Kellyanne Conway, uh Michael Flynn, oh um um DeVos, the education secretary, and now we're cycling through this poor Devin Nunes.
The question I have about this is even if everything they say is is correct, and I don't know, I guess it seems to be, that um some of the information representative Nunes got was from um White House people working looking over the the counterintelligence from the Obama Europe.
So what?
So what?
Isn't the isn't the issue supposed to be why were they surveilling either a candidate, opposition party candidate, a president elect, and his entire staff, and this is where it gets interesting with this woman Evelyn Farkas, and we'll have more on this at the top of the next hour.
You know, when she goes out there, I'm urging my former colleagues, get as much intelligence as you can.
And I fear this this information, the intelligence will disappear.
And and if the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff dealing with the Russians, they'd compromise sources and methods.
And I'm like, So she's in she's admitting to surveillance unmasking and talking about leaking.
Yes, she's bragging about how, oh, Trump was so dangerous, we were surveilling him, and now, oh yeah, well, maybe not.
Maybe we shouldn't have been doing that.
Um, the underlying crime here is uh is actually pretty shocking to have a president of the United States um surveilling an opposition candidate or you know, people around him.
Um remember at one of the debates um Trump had that fantastic joke um when Hillary said something like, Well, you know, heaven forbid that you'd be in charge of of law enforcement in this country, and he said, Yeah, because you'd be in jail.
And uh the left went mental Claiming this is like a third, it's a banana republic.
He's threatening to put an opponent in jail.
Well, no, he wasn't threatening to put her in jail for being his opponent.
It was if she has committed a crime, she would be subject to the criminal justice system the same as any other citizen.
This is not a third uh banana republic.
That's where you put your opponent in prison just for being your opponent.
That's what is going on here.
The Obama administration surveilling people around Trump just because he was the opponent.
That that is banana republic territory.
Um and I suppose their argument would be, um, although I would love to hear them make it, that what Nunes did wrong was um he's not operating as just, you know, a purely nonpartisan judge as as if it's a courtroom and and he's going to one party involved in all of this.
But uh okay, could we go back to those Eric Holder hearings and see how nonpartisan the Democrats were?
Um see how nonpartisan the White House was.
They did everything they could to to block Eric Holder from telling us the truth about that insane fast and furious program and many other things.
Eric Holder, the attorney general of the United States, was held in contempt, and the White House refused to enforce it.
In fact, this White House ought to enforce that contempt order.
I don't think the Statute of Limitations is run on that.
Um the idea that Democrats are just, you know, these nonpartisan seekers of truth at congressional hearings is madness.
Well, you know, when you watch we've listened now for eight months uh about this Russian conspiracy with the election, and yet there's not a shred of evidence.
Now we do know in the case of General Flynn that a felony was committed because they released intelligence and they leaked intelligence.
So that's that would be a violation of the espionage act and a felony.
But if you ask the legal question, does the disclosure of any intelligence data by White House officials that are authorized to have the materials given to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee violate the law in any way, shape, matter, or form?
Well, even the New York Times concedes there's no accusation of law breaking.
And if I th I think that if a president was being surveilled, that is something the country needs to know.
Who knew what, when, and where?
And if Evelyn Farkas, who wasn't even in the Obama administration at that time, if she knew about it, and she's talking about spreading the information, I'm urging my colleagues, get as much intelligence as you can.
And if the Trump folks find out how we knew what we knew about their Trump staff dealing with Russia, well now we're talking about other potential crimes, aren't we?
And that is surveilling.
Why were they surveilling?
Were they using the ruse of of gathering foreign intelligence?
Why were they unmasking?
When she says if the Trump staff finds out what we knew about them, okay, they're unmasking who the individuals, Americans were, but there was no warrant at all to get that intelligence on an American citizen.
And the third thing is when she talks about, oh, get as much intelligence as you can.
I'm urging my former colleagues.
So I think that if anything that this this statement of hers should open up a Pandora's box, and I would expect the House Intelligence Committee and maybe the Attorney General to begin investigations.
Yes, it's interesting of the two claims, the Russia collusion with the Trump campaign.
Every single part there's zero evidence for it, and in fact, the sort of weak weak tea evidence they have put forward, it all keeps falling apart.
Um but Trump's claim that he was, quote, wiretapped.
No, the evidence just keeps accumulating for that.
I mean, in addition to the Farkas quote, there's the fact that these conversations with Michael Flynn not only were taped, but were released to the media.
I mean, whether or not a crime is commit w is committed here, and we know there was with the leaking aspect of it, um, maybe, maybe not, with the gathering of it.
We know it happened.
That is a fact.
Whereas from beginning from the game, that's a fact and that's a felony.
Is just craziness.
I mean, it's crazy w uh uh consider what people in America who are paying attention to the election, what they thought was going to happen on election day.
Um, the Russians are pretty good spy masters, um, even assuming they'd get something out of it.
But to think that you could influence an election where, according to the New York Times, Hillary had a ninety-five percent chance of winning.
Um, no, this isn't how how spy craft works.
I mean, what if these now it looks like they weren't even the ones who tapped the.
I gotta put you on hold here.
But remember, too, Obama did, we know try to influence the Israeli elections.
Nobody seems to care about that little point that's been proven.
It's only bad if somebody tries to do it to us, which there's no evidence they did.
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All right, so Neil Gorsuch, we now move into new territory here.
And it looks like there's only two Democrats that are gonna allow an up or down vote.
You need eight to get over closure and to get an up and down vote for Gorsuch.
Now, the Democrats are trying to spin this that, well, this is this is unbelievable.
This is a a break in tradition.
But the truth is, the break in tradition would be that the Senate has never ever used a filibuster to defeat a nominee with majority support.
And so you have Chuck Schumer promising to filibuster this and go scorched earth, um, and deny this guy an up or down vote.
So if he's gonna change the rules, I assume the Republicans will hopefully do the same.
Well, they better.
I just find this whole thing about, oh, poor Merrick Gardland, um, it doesn't pass the last test to use a cliche.
No one, no one thinks that if in the last year of a Bush administration or the Trump administration, if Ruth Bader Ginsburg resigns, um, or otherwise is unavailable, that the Democrats wouldn't do the exact same thing.
Oh, come on, cut the crap.
You have got to be kidding me.
Of course they would do the same thing.
Um, and in fact, of course, all these other I think going until since since Scalia, I think he was the last one to get an overwhelming number of senators voting for him.
But but the rest of them, um, Clarence Thomas, I think, got through with something like 52 vote when when they're the ones in power, all new rules apply.
And then Republicans come in and no, that's unfair.
But if we could get just go back to one thing that I I think it's worth alerting people to.
The one thing on Russia they seem to have absolutely rock solid.
This this much we know that it's Russia that the ha hacked the DNC.
Well, now that claim is not only falling apart, and as I was saying before the break, I just don't think it makes any sense.
What if I mean the DNC leaks were all about how the DNC was screwing over Bernie Sanders?
Well, what if the Democrats had reacted by saying, Okay, Hillary, we gave you your chance, um, but that's it, we're running Biden.
But plus, note how not only has Julian Assange said this is absolutely not from the Russians, and I believe he said this came from someone within the DNC.
Coming from someone within the DNC is the only thing that makes sense.
It was a Bernie supporter who was ticked off at how he was being screwed over by the DNC.
And I know that this week, every single member of the DNC was laid off.
They cleared house.
Um, so I think that and and you know, Assange, what whatever, he may be evil.
He's he maybe he shouldn't be leaking all this stuff, but I don't think anybody thinks of him as a liar, and he says it's Not Russia.
One of the major um reports.
I think I'm the only one to interview the guy, and he swears up and down.
And and more beyond that.
I mean, if you're mad at Julian Assange, they get mad at the New York Times because they printed everything WikiLeaks printed.
Right.
I mean, I'm not wholesale endorsing Assange.
I'm just saying of the qualities about him.
If anything, he's like relentlessly truthful.
Um, the one outfit that was claiming no, we looked at these DNC hacks, it's it's Russia, it's this fancy bear thing.
Well, all these outside firms, I just tweeted it out this week.
They were quoted in uh the Miami Herald saying no, this is absolutely not true.
With no with no evidence after eight months, it's insane, and uh they're missing everything in terms of what's really valuable, but this is all gonna blow up in their face.
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Do you think that this is con is this an actual negotiating tactic by the president, though?
Or do you think this is the constructive way to do it?
I mean, it's constructive in fifth grade, but um it may allow uh a uh child to get his way, but that's not how our government works.
This Obamacare light is worse than Obamacare.
Our objection is logical.
It's not ideological.
Our objection is logical.
If you remove the individual mandate, yet keep in place the mandate on pre-existing conditions on on health care, health insurance.
You know what's gonna happen?
People are gonna buy fewer people are gonna buy insurance.
That the CBO said that.
Those will be the healthy people that don't buy it, and the price is going to skyrocket.
Thomas, that could be fixed in phase two or phase three.
It could be fixed.
You cannot tell them that it will not be fixed.
Phase two is supposed to be the uh pen in the phone, the administrative fixes, and we see how well that's going for our president and our administration in the courts.
Phase two will be shut down by the courts if it ever happens.
So that's our concern.
You don't know that for sure.
Well, we got a pretty bad track record.
But you've given us Obamacare full on for as far as the eye can see.
And you have derailed the legislative process.
You have.
No.
We've we've stopped something very bad.
We've probably saved the GOP from losing the majority in the next election.
That's what you're this will be a disaster.
Well, sir.
Let me let me ask you.
Next year in 2018, if you've got nothing done, if we're still lumped with Obamacash, still lumped with high taxes, you lose.
All Republicans lose because they haven't done what they said they were going to do.
You haven't even taken a that's exactly the point.
But you've not even taken a lot of people.
You have to step towards it.
Drain the swamp.
A baby step towards socialism is not doing what we said we would do.
Baby step towards socialism, please.
Yes, mandates, penalties, subsidies, and bailouts are all in this bill.
Which could be a good thing.
Yeah, that well, those are fairy tales, frankly.
Why don't we do phase three right now?
If it's so doable and so necessary.
So you won't move at all.
I mean, despite what the president has done overnight, you're not moving.
No.
Absolutely.
I will move.
Listen, Stuart.
The Medicaid reform that's stuck inside of this bill is a good part of the bill.
We should do it tomorrow.
It saves eight hundred billion dollars, and that's the part that lets us do tax reform.
Freedom caucus will vote for that.
I will vote for that.
Let's get the stuff we can agree on, get that on the table, bring it for a vote.
And the stuff we can't agree on, frankly, Stuart, Trump might need Democrats if he wants to pass Obamacare light.
Because it's not what conservatives campaigned on.
All right, that was, of course, Justin Amash first and Thomas Massey in an argument with my buddy Stuart Varney over the Freedom Caucus, one of our top stories today.
And the president going hard against them and mentioning them by name.
And of course, that goes back to what I was saying earlier that all the Freedom Caucus guys supported the president for election.
Guys like Adam uh Kinziger is writing in the New York Times today how the freedom caucus is undermining the GOP is wrong.
And I didn't see Paul Ryan out on the campaign trail with uh Donald Trump.
And I just think that this is misguided.
Anyway, so we got that.
We're giving you a preview of what's coming next week, and Chuck Schumer, unprecedented filibuster, doesn't want to allow an up or down vote on Gorsuch, which should trigger the nuclear option once and for all, which I'm all in favor of.
And uh at this point, Republicans they always give in.
They they play by two different standards.
The attacks against Stevin Nunez, which overrides the big story, which was the spying on then candidate and president elect Trump during his transition and his team, and that goes to the Evelyn Farkas issue that we've been talking about, and uh the latest on Flynn and immunity.
But anyway, we'll get into all this.
But first I want to say a quick hello and then we'll get to your calls here.
Amy Kramer is with us, been a long time friend of the program, and I met first met Amy in April of twenty ten in Atlanta when twenty some odd thousand people showed up at a tea party rally, and Amy is lost her mind, and she's now running for Congress.
Uh, and if it helps her, I'll endorse her.
If it helps her, I'll I'll not endorse her, whatever she wants, because she's such a good friend and a solid conservative and friends with the Freedom Caucus guys as well.
How are you, Amy?
Thanks so much for having me on, and of course I would love your endorsement.
Listen, you've been a champion out there hitting the pavement for all these years.
It's people like you that I'd love to see in Congress that I think would do a great job.
I think you're insane for doing it, but I mean, good for you, and I hope you win.
Um what do you make of all the attacks against the Freedom Caucus?
I mean, they I didn't see any of these guys, you know, certainly Chuck Schumer, if if the president's talking about doing business with him, Chuck's never gonna work out any deals with with Donald Trump.
Nancy Pelosi's not gonna work any deal with Trump, and Adam Kinziger didn't even vote for Trump.
And Paul Ryan was nowhere to be found.
Who knows who we voted for?
I think that this is um it's uh it's Paul Ryan's failure.
It's not the House Freedom Caucus.
It's Paul Ryan's responsibility to write the legislation and get people on board and to get a consensus to begin with.
But when you craft the legislation behind closed doors and don't let others be part of the process, then you go out there and tell them it ha it you can't repeal it in one step and so on and so forth.
I mean, nobody trusts him anymore.
I mean, I think it there's a real problem now going into if they're gonna try and fix fix health care and also with tax reform.
I don't know how he can effectively lead.
And I think Paul Ryan's a nice guy.
But Sean, at the end of the day, Republicans elected the House sent um the voters sent the Republicans back to be in charge of the House and the Senate, and it's because they wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare.
Why on earth they would put forth a bill that does not lower premiums, lower deductibles, lower the cost of um prescription drug prices.
They did not even put in there, and I don't think we'll get to the second step, but about crossing state lines.
I mean, that's something the Dems could have gotten on board with right away.
You know, and I think there was a good point.
It was a good point I thought made by Massey, and that is all right, do steps two and three now.
Well, I I never understood the three-step process for my own personal benefit.
I understand the challenges.
Look, the average American doesn't care about reconciliation, probably doesn't know what it is.
They don't understand closure, they don't understand the bird rule.
This is this is them technical talk.
All they want are results, and the results are very simple.
Lower premiums and better care and a better bang for their buck.
That's all they're looking for.
And the only way to accomplish that is through free market competition and stop the Ponzi scheme where the young and the healthy are paying for the old, the sick, and the disabled.
Sean, you know what?
I'm gonna tell you, I mean, what does the government run good?
Um you can look at the post office, Amtrak, the VA.
We need to get the government off of our backs and out of our lives and let the free market decide.
Put the decisions back in the hands of patients and doctors and not bean counters in Washington.
But I think there is a silver bullet for this.
You make Congress live under the same rules that you and I have to live under, and all Americans have to live under.
They'll fix that real quick.
So tell me about this election.
When do you have your primary?
So this is for Tom Price's seat.
It's April 18th, and there are 18 candidates in this race.
There are five Dems, two independents, and eleven Republicans.
It's crazy.
It's a jungle primary, so the top two go to a runoff, and it is um it's really exciting.
I never thought I'd do this, but you know what?
I worked my heart and soul out, electing conservatives such as Ted Cruz and and Mike Lee and Rampall and those guys, and I've encouraged others to get out there and run.
Katrina Pearson was one that ran back in 2014 for Congress in in Texas, And when Tom got appointed to HHS secretary, I thought, how can I not if I'm gonna go out and encourage others to do it, I need to be able to do it myself.
I heard that they're trying the establishment is trying to discourage you.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, Sean, they are doing everything they can because I'm a threat to them.
They want their handpicked chosen ones.
The first poll that came out, I was the number four Republican.
They hand manipulated numbers so that um the top five were in a debate.
They hand manipulated the numbers, not just to pull me out, but the other Trump supporter, there's another Trump supporter um in the race, and they pulled they wouldn't allow either one of us to participate in this debate, which is okay because there are other organizations doing debates, but it's just it's dirty politics.
They want their chosen one, and the ones that they are that um they have in these debates and they say are polling the highest.
We had a forum on uh Wednesday, and all four of them said they would have voted for that bill on Friday.
All right.
Well, Amy Kramer running for the Georgia sixth uh district seat.
That's New Gingrich's old district, by the way.
So uh sure is.
We wish you the best, Amy, and we're gonna follow this race closely as we get closer to it.
Okay, thanks for being with us.
Sean, thanks for having me on.
All right, eight hundred nine four one Sean, toll-free telephone number.
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JR is in South Carolina.
What's up, JR in South Carolina, sir?
Sean Hannity, I'll tell you this.
By the way, how great was that game last weekend to get South Carolina USC uh into the final four.
Now you got it.
Absolutely.
And it's great.
Women are doing it as well.
So a lot of Andy Clemson, you won the national title, so uh great year for South Carolina in sports.
But Sean Hannity, on a very serious note, the American people sent Trump to Washington, DC to drain the swamp.
And what we're seeing is the Trump train has left the station.
The American people are all packed on the on the boarding docks ready to go, and we see him hanging out with the chief swamp monster, Paul Ryan.
And we don't understand why we're being uh strong armed, why we're being berated, and why we're being lied to on this health care bill.
And I'll say this, Sean, if I can.
To the extent that the American people are with Donald Trump, he's an unmovable force of nature.
To the extent that Paul Ryan can separate Donald Trump from his base and alienate his core supporters like he's successfully doing, he's going to hamstring Donald Trump, and we will have a landslide loss, in my opinion, in the midterms, if we don't get the conservative agenda that we all sent him to DC for.
I just think that unfortunately, I I just don't think the president was served well here, and I think he was uh I think up until the last day, he was being told, no, no, no, don't worry about it, don't worry about it.
This bill is gonna pass.
I think it just stunned him because of what he was being told, and then he was told after the fact, well, that it's these guys that won't go along with it.
And unfortunately, uh look, I think look, one of the things I like about Trump is his his growth trajectory is beyond phenomenal.
His you know, look at him when he started out and came down the escalator and look at the the guy on the stump by the end of the campaign and even that goes out to different towns and cities now.
It's pretty amazing.
He's a guy that's run businesses for all these years.
When you run a business, you say to your team, do this, do this, do this.
In the case of my team, Linda says, Well, I'd rather do this, and she fights back, and then sometimes I have to put my foot down, or sometimes because I don't want to hear it, I'll just say, Fine, we'll do it.
Um and so learning the legislative process and the art of politics being art different from the art of the deal or his challenge, I I know he's gonna get there because he he just is.
And so I'm not worried about it.
It's unfortunate at this point.
I st I stay right there.
I gotta take a break.
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All right, as we continue, news roundup information overload.
We'll have the latest on Evelyn Farkas's comments, and now she says it's all fake news.
Well, when you play her verbatim, I don't know how that could be fake news.
And now the Russians may have influenced it according to Jeff Lord.
We'll get to that.
Uh all right, J.R. in South Carolina, you get the last word.
I didn't mean to hold you over there.
Sorry about that.
No, Sean, I appreciate it.
And I'm not saying this to get you in trouble.
But if this strong arm tactics, intimidation, and threatening our Freedom Caucus representatives continue, at what point do we as a constituency say it's time to challenge Paul Ryan in a primary?
Listen, I I'm saying this.
The rollout was horrible.
They nobody saw the bill ahead of time.
There was no consensus built ahead of time.
Nobody, everyone was wondering what bill is it that's being scored.
And if they would have done it the right way, it wouldn't have been a problem.
And the bill would have all the negotiation would have been behind closed doors, not in front of television cameras and on radio shows.
And all the different coalition groups should have been brought together, as well as the Health and Human Services Secretary, as well as the White House and the Vice President, as well as the Senate, because remember, whatever the House passes doesn't necessarily pass the Senate.
So if you're working in conjunction with the Senate from the beginning in the get-go, then you have the opportunity to avoid a big contentious, you know, third phase, which is all right, the House passes their bill, the Senate passes their bill, then it gets into conference, and then the House and the Senate are fighting over competing bills, and maybe that doesn't get done at that point.
And I don't think the president was served well, and I think that you know they've there's been a lot of scapegoating here.
And I think that he's been told that the Freedom Caucus was the problem, but it's not.
It's how the bill was dealt with from the get-go that was the problem.
And I'm just calling it as I see it here.
And in that sense, leadership didn't serve the president well in terms of what they're supposed to do for him on the legislative side.
The country's not served well because everybody that has voted to put members in the House and in the Senate and vote for Donald Trump for repeal and replace.
They're now frustrated because it's not getting done.
It's slowed down the entire agenda of Donald Trump.
And to me, after eight long years, it's kind of unforgivable.
And lashing out against the Freedom Caucus members is just to me.
It's just we're looking in the wrong direction here.
Who got this wrong?
The House leadership got it wrong.
And after they unveiled the bill, they saw the contentiousness building, and they went for a three-week period, according to Mark Meadows, where they didn't even talk to the Freedom Caucus because they thought they they didn't need the Freedom Caucus.
And then they went in with strong arm tactics.
Now they're just attacking them outright.
And I think they've convinced the president somehow that they're the ones that were wrong here.
No, the way the bill was handled by leadership was it was mishandled.
Now they have two options here.
They can keep up fracturing the Republican Party and not get anything done, or they can hit the reset button and do it the right way.
I suggest the latter.
Hit the reset button and do the right way.
All right, when we come back, the latest on the comments of Evelyn Farkas.
Why does she keep talking?
Does she have any friends that are advising her that is not a good idea?
Well, one of her friends will join us next, and Jeffrey Lord will check in with us as well.
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All right, so we have gone over in great, great detail what this all means as it relates to the comments of Evelyn Farkas.
I mean, this is what she originally said and pay very close attention, and then we'll show how she, in my opinion, contradicted herself greatly the next day after I I brought everybody's attention to it.
Listen.
I was urging my former colleagues and and frankly speaking, the people on the Hill.
I it was more actually aimed aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration, because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left.
So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy.
Um that the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their the staff, the Trump staff dealing with Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence.
So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more.
So then I had talked to some of my former colleagues, and I knew that they were trying to also help get information to the Hill.
A lot going on today.
Yeah.
That's why you have the leaking.
That's why you have the leaking.
Listen to what she's saying.
Get as much intelligence as you can.
I was urging my former colleagues.
Now she had left the Obama administration by that point.
Get it as much, get as much intelligence as you can before Obama leaves the administration.
This information might disappear.
And uh so it would be hidden away from the bureaucracy.
And you know, that if the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their Trump staff dealing with Russians.
Well, how would they know?
How did you know?
You know, now she's she's backing off all of these claims, and well, I'm just it, you know, if indeed they did it, no, she says she's not saying if indeed in an original statement.
She's saying get as much intelligence.
I was urging my colleagues, get as much intelligence as you can, intelligence, information, intelligence.
She said the word intelligence.
And then it goes on, well, if they knew, the Trump people knew.
If they found out how we knew what we knew about their Trump staff dealing with the Russians, hmm.
Well, what is she admitting to all of this?
She's admitting number one surveillance took place.
If she says the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their Trump staff dealing with Russians, so she's revealing unmasking taking place.
And when she gets, get as much intelligence as as you can.
Is she in that instance?
Is she trying to encourage people to get and hold on to secret intelligence?
Why would she say that?
Anyway, then she goes on CMBC yesterday and contradicts herself.
listen.
That the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff, this is dealing with the Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.
Sean Hannity and others have made a big issue of this.
I wanted you to just explain what you meant by that, and in particular, when you talked about if they found out how we knew, What do you mean by how they how we knew?
Well, what I was getting at was the fact that we were having now a transition of power from the Obama administration to the Trump administration.
And if indeed there was an investigation ongoing, if indeed there was information that indeed there was an investigation going forward.
Well, that's very different if they found out how we knew.
Not if indeed, how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff dealing with Russians.
The Obama administration had about Russian interference and possible American involvement.
I wanted to make sure that Congress knew about it, that Congress had...
If it happened, if they had it, if they found out, well, that's very Different if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff.
There was no caveat whatsoever.
And it is a direct contradiction.
Now the question is, is she going to keep talking?
Because on top of that, she's also now saying this is fake news.
So using her words in full context, without edits, without the Ted Coppel treatment.
She is now contradicting herself.
Oh, it's fake news.
She's now denying she had access to this.
Anyway, news roundup information overload hour.
Jeffrey Lord is a former associate political director in the Reagan administration and columnist at uh The American Spectator wrote the book, What America Needs, The Case for Trump, Rick Unger, Senior Political Contributor Forbes.com and co-host of the Steel and Unger show on Sirius XM, and interestingly, both of them know Evelyn Farkas.
Uh Jeff, why don't we start with how you know her?
Well, I've only known her for a day.
Okay.
It it turns out to my uh surprise that she, like myself, is a graduate of Franklin Marshall College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, which I did not know.
Um she apparently uh discovered this this coincidence and emailed me and said she wanted to talk.
Um I knew immediately I said uh, you know, yes, absolutely.
I wish she'd email me and say she wants to talk, and I'd love to put her on the air and clarify some of these contradictory statements.
I I don't know.
How come I don't get the what I've got here, Sean?
You got a special thing going on there, brother.
So uh I I thought about you know, I had a little chance to to think before I I spoke with her.
And as it happened the week before, in another sort of strange out of the blue moment, uh revolving around this whole Trump Russia story, Carter Page, who is often mentioned in these stories uh as a Trump advisor with ties to Russia,
had contacted me out of the blue and had sent me a uh the copy of a letter that he was in the process of sending then and there to uh Devin Noonan's Nunes and uh Adam Schiff of the the chairman and and ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, and I said, Well, we would just run this verbatim at the American Spectator because I think he was afraid that his words would be misinterpreted or what have you.
So I had the same thought with with Evelyn.
And when we spoke, I said, look, why don't we do this?
You you write up whatever you want to write up in your own words, and I will commit to you that the American Spectator will run it verbatim.
And so she did.
And uh one of the things she says in there is that she feels um she even suspects the Russians may have come up with this video.
She feels that it has how the video of her on Liberal Joe?
Yes, that that it was put out there that they're gonna be.
The Russians did it and put it out there.
And they gave it to Hannity, that's what they did.
They the Russians exactly.
I told her about you and the Russians.
Vlad Vladimir called you were Vladimir personally called me.
I mean, uh I expect to go before the House Intel Committee tomorrow.
Um she said in this statement that uh that this had uh it was a quote unquote wild misinterpretation of comments that she made on the air in March.
And uh do you think it's a misinterpretation or am I interpreting it correctly the way it was meant to be?
Well, she said that the video was edited.
I don't see I didn't see any not say I emphasize that you edited it.
I think it's a lot of it was edited.
It's a live show.
How could it be edited?
Uh I have you know Well, she has information or or more to the tape or somebody over at NBC edited her tape, I'll play the full tape for her.
And she says she also says that uh at the end of the interview, she said, I did start a new thought, uh, quote, that's why they leaked, unquote, but she was cut off in the way something you you would know very well as as I have learned, and Rick knows, is the world of the hard break and television time, and that she began this thought and was stopped.
It didn't seem like she was stopped.
I mean, it just was like Mika was clueless, and I don't I don't see an edit there.
All right, so I'm gonna give a little backstory here.
So Rick Unger is in the studio yesterday, and we have him back for a reason here today, not because we like him or anything, even though we do like him.
I know I gotta stop calling you as right.
So Rick says to me, Oh, I'm actually friends with Evelyn.
And I said, Rick, I said, how close friends?
She's such a nice person.
I said, Rip, what did I say to you?
I said, Rick, I'm saying this as nice away as I can.
Tell her to be quiet.
Who's advising this woman to talk?
This I would be shocked if she's not brought before the House Intelligence Committee and probably investigated over these comments.
And did you talk to her?
Yes.
And I'm not going to tell you that.
Don't do you agree with me that I'm giving good advice to her.
Um Do I agree with you?
Yes, I do agree with you.
And and I'm I'm interested.
I read.
And the only reason I said it to you is you said she's actually a really nice person.
I'm like, Rick, who's advising this woman?
Well, I like that.
I would agree with Rick.
She is a very nice person.
Okay.
Now now she's saying the Russians are doing it.
The Russians leaked it, and she's saying she's edited on a live show, which it's possible, but you have to show me the edit, and then show me the full tape.
Well, it only it only goes to prove that not only is Hannity bad for America, he's apparently good for Russia.
I'm gonna call Vlad.
I'm gonna call Vladimir right as soon as I get off the program.
Vladimir, listen, listen.
Or maybe I'll call Medvedev.
Tell Vladimir not to contact me until after the whole thing blows over.
Yeah.
I'll have more flexibility.
This is my last election.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That was that was Obama who did that.
Sorry.
Oh man.
Reading what she wrote in for Jeffrey and Jeffrey, that was very cool of you to give her that space to do that.
Uh I don't know how Jeffrey thought about it.
It's not satisfying.
I'm I'm not going to be anything but an honest broker.
It never answers the crux of the question, which is what did you mean by if Trump staffers found out how we knew what we knew?
That's what's at the heart of all of this.
And I'm hearing a lot of talk around it.
It it didn't help, I felt that she started out by referring to it as a strange video.
Well, I mean, you may think that Morning Joe's a strange show, but there was nothing strange.
Well, the only reason nobody picked up on it, it wasn't the Russians, it was because nobody watches the show.
So I mean Well, I do.
Oh, good grief.
Oh.
Well, you know, the thing is, Sean, whether whether it's Evelyn or someone else, and I've certainly have written several columns on this, it's the New York Times and the Washington Post that have repeatedly written stories that indicate quite obviously that the that people in the Obama administration were spying on the incoming Trump people.
Uh I in one of these Washington Post stories, they even say that they talked to nine people.
Nine people.
I mean, so whether Evelyn was one of those nine or not.
All right, both of you stay there, because I gotta take that hard break you're talking about, Jeffrey, and then we'll get back to the other side of this.
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Rick Unger, Jeffrey Lord are uh with us for talking about Evelyn Farkas.
They both know her.
Jeff only recently allowed her to write in her own words her defense, and so she's saying in this piece that the Russians may have leaked it even though it was on national TV.
Well, she hadn't she she said to me that it could have been the Russians.
She didn't say that in the piece, but she she clearly believes that that this has been and her phrase wildly m uh misinterpreted and that uh uh she does feel the thing was edited.
Absolutely, she does believe that.
And Rick, your friends with her, you know, I was kind of joking around when I said, you know, if she's saying number one, admitting in this piece that surveillance took place, admitting that unmasking took place, and talking about, you know, very specifically getting this information to our friends on the hill, as she says, get as much intelligence as you can.
I was urging my former colleagues, and I'm thinking, okay, this is really bad for anybody.
And so I'm joking.
Elizabeth Avalon Farkas, we're not sure you committed any crime, but just in case you may want to control with an attorney.
But I mean, I'm saying it in good faith, and you're telling me she's a nice person, and I'm like, who's advising her, Rick?
Why isn't she listening to you?
I mean, you might be a lot of things, dumb is not one of them, Mr. Unger.
I mean, I I'm seriously asking, I mean, you know, I I I can't uh for the life of me understand how she doesn't see that this is problematic.
Well, look, I mean, you know, doing media is not something that people can just do off the cuff.
You learn as you go along.
I you know, my my better response to that is if you're going to talk about it, which is if you feel the need to defend yourself, that's what you should do.
Then as my old friend Lanny Davis says, when something happens, you you get out front of it, you address it straightforward, and you let the chips fall where they may.
His actual words are tell the truth, tell it early, tell it all, tell it yourself, which I don't disagree with.
But she said everything and then she walked back everything.
Well, Sean, let me let me just jump in here.
Um the New York Times folks do not like it when I say that their stories indicate that the Obama administration do the does this.
And I said to one of the reporters who had written the story that I appeared on CNN with, I said to him, Look, in 1982, some nutritionist way in the bowels of the of the Department of Agriculture decided that he would uh to save money in budget cuts, would call catch up a vegetable.
And who was pinned for that?
Ronald Reagan personally.
I said, Presidents, you know, not for nothing, the statement that the buck stops here from Harry Truman.
Presidents are responsible for what goes on in their administration.
It doesn't make any difference whether Barack Obama knew about this or not.
It is without doubt his administration.
He was in charge.
And so one of two things.
Either he knew what was going on, was reading about this in the newspapers, and did nothing about it, or he was he was getting some of this inside info.
I mean, in one of these stories, it talks about transcripts being sent to the White House.
Well, who's reading these transcripts?
The president, his staff?
I mean, we need to know.
Well, I'm just I'm not seeing an answer to the fundamental question.
And and all the other stuff that surrounds it is not likely to distract people like your own.
Listen, I'm saying this in a nice way, because I gotta go.
If I was you, I'd tell her to just shush, or tell her to come on my program, one or the other.
Because if she's gonna go down, let her let her be here so I get the ratings benefit from it.
Why not my program?
Well, excuse me, you're breaking up on me.
Uh 800 nine four-one Sean, our number.
I mean, I almost feel sorry for her.
I don't think she gets it.
Quick break right back.
We'll get to your phone calls next.
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When I was out at the Reagan Library, I met John Hybush.
And he's an amazing guy, and he uh he's written an amazing book.
He's the executive director of the Reagan Foundation and Library.
If you've never been to the Reagan Library, it is so educational and just an inspiration.
And uh anyway, his new book, The Shroud Conspiracy, and it's a a thriller.
It's a you know, a forensic uh anthropologist sets out to prove that the sh route of Turin is fake, but quickly discovers the opposite.
And uh John Highbush joins us.
The um something called Veronica's veil, and that veil is talked about a great deal in the Shroud Conspiracy.
There's also the Shroud of Turin, which is the entire body of Jesus Christ from head to toe, from his face all the way down to his legs, and uh, you know, it it shows the crucifixion marks of Jesus from the crown of thorns to the sword in his side.
It's uh just a it is truly a miraculous image.
Well, I know it's been studied, and I know we have carbon dating and all this other information.
Are you convinced that both of those are real, the Shroud of Turin and the other one?
Well, and without a doubt, I think the Shroud of Turin is real, but you know that for centuries there's been a big controversy.
Half the world believes that the shroud uh and therefore this miraculous visage of Jesus is fake, and the other half believes it's real.
And so science has always seems to be at war with faith over uh whether or not it's real, and and and uh that's the backdrop that I use for the book, the Shroud Conspiracy.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
Well, what got you interested in this?
Because I know you're you obviously are are somebody who go that who studies history a lot.
You love being at the Reagan Library.
How many years have you been there now?
Oh, I've been there almost eight years, and uh you're right.
I love history.
Uh it's one of the reasons I have this job.
I especially love Reagan history.
I lived it as as I'm sure you did too.
And uh I think when I did my book signing there, didn't we break the record up until that point?
Maybe it was broken since of Oh, no, no, yeah, you you broke every record, Sean.
I think in one day you signed over five thousand books.
Uh we've never ever had that kind of turnout before.
And and you literally stopped traffic on the highway that leads to the Reagan Library.
It was just amazing, really.
It was a very special day, and I have a very special place in my heart.
I believe that Ronald Reagan was one of our great presidents.
And uh meeting you was a great honor too, and learning a lot uh at the Reagan Library.
Being there to do TV shows was amazing too, and uh it's been a lot of fun the number of times I've been there.
But anyway, the book is called The Shroud Conspiracy, an ancient relic promises to reveal secrets for the ages.
John Highbush, now we put the book up on Hannity.com, it's in on Amazon.com, bookstores everywhere, and uh we really want to wish you the best with the book, and and you should sell it at the library.
Everyone will remember it when they get there.
Well, you know, actually, Sean, it's funny you'd raise that.
Uh just real quick.
Uh the book came out about ten days ago, and we were selling it at the library.
We sold so many that we should have been on the New York Times list, the best seller list.
But guess what?
They they decided not to count a single book sold from the Reagan Library, and we sold thousands.
You know, if that's thirty-five years later, they just still can't seem to you know get over the phone.
I've seen this game before.
I you know, I just I've seen it happen way too many times.
You know, you almost have to sell twice as many to get to number one like I have, and it's ridiculous.
But I've seen conservatives, this has happened before.
But uh John, you're a great man.
God bless you.
The Shroud Conspiracy, bookstores everywhere, Hannity.com.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you so much, Sean.
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Tracy is in Katie, Texas.
What's up, Tracy?
How are you?
Hey, so uh so my question is this.
I'm looking lately at the news, and I'm looking at how uh Mike Flynn wants to turn around and give uh testimony as long as he gunity.
And I'm looking at Devin Nunion running to the White House trying to help both of the the uh Trump's uh administration by getting information from Trump to run out there and trying to help Trump from that bad disastrous tweet.
My question to you is when do you stop making your people you'd stop dummying your people down about Trump?
I mean, every single thing that Trump does is right.
I remember everything Obama did was wrong.
But when do you move from being a supporter and and not being fanatic?
Well, I I just got done today.
I spent a lot of time saying that the Freedom Caucus is not the problem, but the Republican leadership in the house is the problem.
So can let me finish.
I I'm being an honest broker with my audience, and we're holding Washington accountable, and we are going down the checklist every time the president keeps a promise, and uh if he he doesn't, we'll hold him accountable as well.
But everything you just said there is false for the most part.
Now, yeah, you're right.
Uh but you got to remember General Flynn, the release of that information and intelligence against him was a crime.
That's a that's a felony.
And if your general I'm trying to answer, I'm trying to answer your question.
What happened to General Fit Flynn is a felony.
What Evelyn Farkas is revealing is more than problematic.
What Devin Nunez did was actually the right thing to do, and zero laws have been broken, and what you really are missing, you've fallen into a destroy Trump alt-left propaganda media trap, and and you're blaming the messenger when the real message is why was Donald Trump as a candidate?
Why was Donald Trump as president elect for months being surveilled by the former administration?
Now there are no it's been now it's been eight months, and you know why, Sean.
Well, hang on.
It's been eight months.
You can't give me any evidence of any Russian collusion.
If you can, give it to me now.
And it's right there in front of us.
All right, what is it?
All right, first of all, one of his uh one of his aides said that the news about Podesta will be coming weeks before it was actually released by Wiki.
All right, everybody stop, stop, stop, stop for a second.
WikiLeaks and the John Podesta fell for a fishing uh trick on his phone.
I'm asking you very specifically.
Where is the evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians?
Give it to me now.
All right.
One of the the evidence is that by his very virtue of sending Michael Flynn to Russia to say he would release sanctions.
Obama put sanctions on Russia because a Russian attacked us.
So you're saying that the incoming, you're saying that the incoming National Security Advisor having a conversation with his soon-to-be counterpart is a violation of law, and this is post-election, by the way.
How does that impact the election in any way?
You know, no American is supposed to go to a foreign nation.
Okay, make a deal to recognize.
Okay, and what law are you signed?
What law are you citing?
Go ahead, tell me.
Okay.
When when Obama even though you might tell me the law.
What is U.S. code what?
Oh, see, I know law, but I don't I can't remember everyone.
Oh, but you don't know this law.
All right.
Now, next question.
Next question.
Give me any evidence you have of collusion that's been proven between the Trump campaign and the Russians in the lead up to the election.
Go.
Now you say proven.
I don't have FBI the information the FBI have.
They're closing their net.
Closing their net.
Whoa, whoa.
Stop.
So for eight months, for eight months, we haven't gotten any evidence or proof, but you are convinced it's true, even though you ha you really can't tell us any evidence, can you?
Well, I Linda, let me then let me just say this one thing then, Sean, and I'll just back out.
Sean, even though you might hate Obama, when Obama put sanctions on Russia because a Russian attacked us.
Did you know?
Did you know did you know that Donald Trump just put sanctions on Russia?
Not can I finish Did you know that Donald Trump put sanctions on Russia?
No, but Donald Trump was gonna remove sanctions.
You don't hit America.
We put sanctions on you.
So the bottom line is I've spent all this airtime on you, and you got done telling me laws were broken, and you can't name a single law that was broken or a single bit of evidence that shows that there was collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.
True or false.
Go.
First of all, why?
And I'm looking at you keep trying to stop the point of Michael Flynn at the point of the information was leaked about him.
Instead of looking at the actions of Michael Flynn, why would you be going to our adversary so much?
You remove the sanction.
I'll answer because it was after the election, and he was meeting his soon-to-be counterpart.
So the bottom line is you make wild accusations, bizarre conspiracy theories, and you have no proof.
Tracy, I would suggest you go home this weekend and maybe just try and take a happy pill and relax and stop watching NBC and the mainstream media because they're making you look silly, unfortunately.
Because you're echoing the dumb conspiracies, and it's getting more outlandish every day.
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