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We have Well, really, two big stories we're following today.
Number one, how the Republicans need to get their act together.
I'm a little sick and tired of the point finger pointing the blame game and nobody clearly understanding what's going on.
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All right, done.
All right, so um our two topics.
Republicans need to get their act together.
The second one is all right, so this Evelyn Farkas woman that I've been telling you about that was, you know, we found this tape that was buried where she admits she knew surveillance of the Trump administration was going on.
She admits to unmasking, in my opinion, and she's talking about disseminating intelligence leaks is now she's backing off everything.
And now she's denying she had access to the Trump surveillance.
We're going to play those back to back today.
The media's trying to make a big deal.
Maggie Haberman of the New York Times, two White House officials help give newness the intelligence reports.
A pair of White House officials played a role in providing a role.
What does it mean to play a role?
Does that mean they gave it to them or they played a role and facilitated because they knew somebody that had it?
And that it should be revealed to the president because it puts the president in jeopardy, and a crime could have been committed.
And he is the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Maybe that's what they mean when they say played a role.
Anyway, two White House officials helped give Nunes intelligence reports.
Help doesn't mean they gave it to him.
Maybe information was passed on to people, and they said, uh, this is out of our league.
You better talk to the House Intelligence Committee chairman because we're not allowed to know that, and uh uh that's out of my realm of possibility.
But you see the way the media plays games, then they goes on to say that the intelligence report showed that President Trump and his associates were incidentally swept up.
I'm not so sure I believe incidentally anymore in foreign intelligence and a surveillance by American spy agencies.
I'm not sure by the time we get to the end of this story what's going to be the real truth here.
New York Times goes on the revelation that White House officials assisted in the disclosure.
Notice they're not saying that they're the source of the intelligence reports in which Chairman Nunes then discussed with President Trump.
But then they speculate.
Here's what they do in their reporting.
The revelation that the White House officials assisted in the disclosure is likely to fuel criticism that the intelligence chairman has been too eager to do the bidding of the Trump administration while his committee is supposed to be conducting an independent investigation of Russia's meddling into the last presidential election.
Well, maybe Maggie Hagerman, who has a Haberman who has an agenda of the New York Times, maybe it could be that people were just passing on information that laws potentially could have been violated, and that intel that shouldn't be in some people's hands was there.
And maybe the bigger story is that the president of the United States, while he was a candidate, definitely when he was a president elect was being surveilled and spied upon, as were his transition team members.
Maybe that's the bigger story, but the New York Times, of course, won't ever see it that way.
Now, Congressman Nunes has been faulted by congressional colleagues, no, by liberals in Congress for sharing the information with the president before consulting with other people.
Well, he is the chairman of the committee, and the chairman and congressmen refuse to identify his sources.
We'll find out soon enough, Maggie.
And then when it all comes tumbling down, you the New York Times and every other mainstream media outlet in the country will probably end up with egg on your face.
Just a guess on my part.
Anyway, but I digress.
Let me let me go to what I think is a much bigger story here today.
Um, and then we'll get back to this and we'll get back to Evelyn Farkas and Evelyn Parkas.
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All right, here's the problem that I now have.
So the president goes out and tweets against the Freedom Caucus this morning.
And I guess I understand the president's position.
Here's my take and my belief in what's going on here the president, knowing his background, 40 some odd plus years being his own boss and being in charge is very different than being the president and dealing with 535 ego maniacs that love to be called Congressman, Mr. Chairman, Senator, you know, et cetera.
And that you would think that after eight years of promises by the Republicans, they said, give us the House in 2010.
Well, they got the House in 2010.
Give us the House and Senate, we will repeal Blaze Obamacare.
They got it in 2014.
Give us the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and we'll get everything done.
Now they have it.
Now the problem is I don't see so much as the Freedom Caucus is that the way that this legislation was rolled out.
Now, usually what happens is, like the Democratic Party, the po the Republican Party is a coalition party.
You have moderates, you have people that won districts that Hillary Clinton carried in the general election for the presidency.
So those moderates are probably a little squeamish about any repeal and replacing bill because at the end of the day, some people probably care more about being called congressmen than serving their constituents and doing what the right thing for the country.
That's just the reality of those people that are ambitious in politics.
So these groups, the problem with how this was done is that, And this is what's so frustrating to me.
How is it even possible that after seven and eight years of promising to repeal and replace Obamacare?
And this is me holding these guys accountable and telling you a simple basic fundamental truth that nobody was served well in this process.
And especially the people of this country.
And frankly, they didn't do the president a good job by the way they put this whole thing together.
Now, before this bill was released, we had on a number of people that were hearing rumors that this was in the bill, that mandates existed, that the new entitlement was created, and all the other criticisms that we have gone through in great specificity and detail on this program.
And lo and behold, the bill gets released, and what did we find out?
Nobody had gotten to see the bill.
The Republican Party, as I was saying, is a coalition party.
So you got moderates that that won districts that Hillary Clinton carried over the president.
Then you've got Tuesday group members and Wednesday and Friday and Sunday group members.
There's actually a group in Congress that's a non-affiliated group.
They're not affiliated with any group.
They call themselves the non-group group.
So stupid.
Then you got the Freedom Caucus, the study group.
So in other words, you've got, there's not one monolithic group of Republicans here that all think alike and act the same.
So where the big mistake in this process was made was that nobody saw the bill before they released the bill.
And there were all sorts of rumors running around before they released it, fear that certain things in the bill would be things that they themselves cannot support.
Then the bill gets released, and then lo and behold, some of the things that people were worried about, like I just mentioned, were in fact in the bill.
And then you have, I think, an unnecessary scenario that unfolded, which is then you've got Republican battling Republican on TV and on radio and all the different coalitions and factions now fighting against each other.
And the end of result of this is that after seven or eight years saying that they're going to repeal and replace Obamacare, you got different opinions on how to get there.
And rather than build the consensus before they released the bill, well, they went in the opposite direction.
They released the bill and hope that they could pressure the differing factions to accept what the House leadership version of the bill should be.
And that's where the mistake was made.
Now, to me, that would be similar to me as when I was in a contractor for ten years of my life, and I drew up my own contracts.
I wrote them out myself.
That would be the same thing as asking a customer to sign a contract, and then after we both signed the contract, then we're gonna negotiate the terms of the contract.
In other words, ask backwards.
So what they should have done is got all the different factions, the moderates, the Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday groups, the Tuesday, the non-group group people, the study people, the caucus people, the Freedom Caucus people, and they should have probably brought in the Health and Human Services Secretary,
and maybe the vice president, maybe for people from the White House, and then maybe people from the Senate, people with strong conservative credentials like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and Mike Lee and Marco Rubio that we know are are gonna be a tough sell on this bill,
and then bring in the Senate parliamentarian expert, and then maybe bring in Mitch McConnell, and what you do is you hammer out a bill that would also deal with the problems, although I still think there's another way of doing this without having to worry about reconciliation, not having to worry about the bird rule, not having to worry about cloture.
And the sad thing is, you know, the American people hear cloture, the bird rule, reconciliation, they roll their eyes and they're like, well, what is my premium going to be?
Am I gonna have better care for less money?
Because that's all people care about.
And I know people that are pissed off that they have a plan and they have to pay a ten dollar copay.
And it drives me nuts.
Health care, health insurance is like for me, health insurance is even when I had no money.
You know, you gotta be taken care of.
We're not gonna let Americans rot on the street.
So that that moderate faction has to be taken care of.
You know that's gonna be the number one talking point of Democrats, you gotta factor that in, which is Republicans want grandma to die and Paul Ryan's gonna throw Granny over the cliff.
Then you gotta factor in that every Republican wants repeal of Obamacare.
That everyone agreed on that.
It's just the replacement that becomes an issue.
I never understood why they had a three-step process in this thing that made no sense to me at all whatsoever.
If you're gonna do it, do it.
Repeal it, replace it.
Simple.
And when you're gonna replace it, you replace it with free market solutions.
You replace it with opportunities for Americans to get cheaper insurance and make insurance now actually be insurance, where, you know, I think health insurance really should be about, oh my God, what happens if I have a heart attack?
Oh my God, what happens if I have cancer?
Oh my God, what happens?
God forbid any of these things happen.
I have a bad accident.
And then you might be able to couple that very inexpensive insurance and then buy it at a group rate if you allow portability and buying across state lines and allowing insurance companies to compete for the different groups, dollars, and the way they get those dollars is offering the best plan at the lower cost.
And then maybe people, you know, we could sort of re um rebuild or or copy the paradigm of people like Dr. Unger of Atlas MD in Wichita, Kansas, and you have these cooperatives where you get all the medical care you could ever want for the basic needs of the basic person on an average day.
And that means free access to your clinic, 95% reduction because he negotiated with pharmaceutical companies 48 cents for an X-ray.
And that's $50 a month for an adult and $10 for a kid.
So I'm not buying that this is one faction's to blame here.
I am saying that the Republican leadership was ill-prepared to lead for the moment.
And since last Friday, I I see them still scrambling.
And I don't see them taking my advice.
And I'm gonna say it again.
Get in a room, all the factions I just mentioned, take your phones away, lock the door, buy some pizza, get some beer, ice cream.
If anyone gets upset, you can bring in coloring books and play-doh and crayons, and don't leave the room until the deal is done.
That's your answer.
And then the president's not gonna, you know, be poked and prodded to blame one group over another.
Or and threatening to work with Democrats.
If they would have done this right from the beginning, we wouldn't be here.
And yes, I'm holding them accountable.
Republicans screwed this up.
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So Republicans screwed this whole thing up.
Now, what is the answer to this?
You know, the answer isn't to divide one of the coalition groups in the Republican Party against the other.
Remember the movie.
Do you ever watch this movie, Linda Disclosure?
I read the book.
It was a Michael Crichton book, if I remember correctly.
I read the book and then I watched the movie.
Demi Moore and what's it?
Michael Douglas were in the movie.
It was a really, really good movie.
And uh Mr. Sutherland was in their country.
I just saw that movie.
Okay.
So it was a really good movie.
Anyway, as long story short, is they've gunning for Michael Douglas in this movie, and the way they do it is they have this really ambitious Demi Moore.
That's when she actually, I thought, you know, was a good actress at the time.
And I think that Kushner guy really messed her up.
I don't know what happened there.
Anyway, so Ashton Kutchter, whatever his name is, I don't know.
Whatever the idiot that that award ceremony, whatever his name is, the three-year-old that she married.
They all immigrants.
Yeah, they're all immigrants, that guy, yeah, exactly.
So anyway, so it was a really good movie.
And the the essence of the movies that, all right, so they're going after Michael Douglas, they're setting it up.
She's a really ambitious, power-hungry uh ambitious career woman that wants to brush him aside, and she's working in conjunction with uh what's the older Southern Don uh what's this Donald Sutherland, who's also a good actor.
He was in the Hunger Games, and they're working together, and there's this mysterious notes that Michael Douglas keeps getting fed.
Solve the problem.
Solve the problem.
And once he solves the problem, he's found innocent, he wins, he gets to be the head of the company, or the lady that actually whose son was sending him the message gets to be the head of the company and everything worked out great.
Otherwise, he would have been killed and thrown out, etc.
etc.
All right.
Now, so with that said, the Republican answer here, and I look, I can rant and rave about how dumb they rolled this thing out till I'm blue in the face.
It's not gonna solve the problem.
The answer is just like in the movie.
Solve the problem.
And in this case, for healthcare, it means bring in the moderates, bring in the freedom caucus, bring in the study group, bring in the Tuesday group, the Sunday Monday group, bring in the group that's not associated with a group group, bring in the Senate, bring in the Health and Human Services Secretary, bring in the White House, bring in the vice president,
bring in, you know, the parliamentarian, if you will, so we don't have to worry about cloture, and we don't have to worry about the bird rule, and we don't have to worry about reconciliation, and get a bill passed that's gonna fulfill your promise.
Solve the problem, and your problem goes away.
Holding them accountable.
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All right, so we went through solving the problem as the answer, as the solution, if you will.
Because look, I can rant and rave and be angry all I want here.
It's not going to solve the problem.
There's no other choice or option for the Republicans.
They've got to keep their promises.
Now, to his credit, up to this point, the president is checking off his list.
They did a lot this week by moving forward with energy independence and getting rid of burdensome regulation.
And he's doing pretty much everything he could do on his own.
He's got the wheel in motion for the wall, the wheel in motion for refugees, the wheel in motion.
They're beginning to put together a budget bill.
By the way, and a problem with the budget bill is they're counting on the savings from the health care bill for the budget, which is now problematic.
So they got to solve it.
And it should be handled the way I said from the beginning.
That is, you got to build consensus, you got to get everybody on board, then you unveil the bill, then the president signs it, and then boom, you move ahead, you get the victory.
And more importantly, it's not about their victory.
It's about undoing the mess that they were sent there to undo.
And I I get it, I understand there are different competing factions at times.
But everybody is gonna have to understand that that's part of governing.
And that bringing those coalitions together, that is their job in the legislative branch.
And by doing this, they sent the president out there doing a lot of heavy lifting.
And this is a guy that is used to a business environment where he's the boss and what he says goes.
And at Washington just doesn't work that way.
Now, the president showed an incredible growth trajectory as a candidate, evolved and grew and learned quickly.
Better than anybody I've ever seen, frankly, as a non-politician.
I think it's going to be a little tougher transition, getting to the point where you understand you've got 535 egomaniacs that all think they are the most important people in the room.
They're not.
It's actually the people that they serve that are the really important people.
There's a guy in radio, his name is Randy Michaels, and for years he was the chairman of J Corr, then became Clear Channel, and which, by the way, is the umbrella of the syndication group that that runs my show, Russia's show, et cetera.
Anyway, so Randy Michaels, years ago, and I he's a very interesting guy, very bright, very smart, crazy, funny guy.
And I remember when I first got hired in Atlanta, I went to a lunch or dinner with him and Sluggo, who was the PD at the station was at in Atlanta at the time.
Anyway, he used to use this model.
And I think this is how politicians ought to look at the model.
And he'd put up on either a PowerPoint or put up on a chalkboard a pyramid.
Now, who's at the top of the pyramid?
Who are the people in government that should be at the top of the pyramid?
Well, think about it.
Who would you put at the top of your pyramid when it comes to governing in Washington or the broader picture of governing in Washington?
Well, he would put up at the top of the pyramid the listener.
And then he put below right next to that is the person closest to the listener, either a disc jockey, a morning show host, a radio talk show host, or a newsman, because they're most closely connected with serving the listener.
And then all the way at the bottom of the pyramid, at the base of the pyramid, would be the top management people and the top management people.
Their job is to prop up the salespeople, and their job is to prop up the program director, and their job is to prop up the marketing director, which then works to help the talent serve the audience at the top of the pyramid.
Well, if you really think about it, at the top of the government pyramid should be you, the American people.
And you're the ones that are to be served.
And right below you, the people, I guess you probably put next is your congressman and senator in that in the sense that well, maybe not.
But yeah, but probably them.
And then everybody else, their job is to serve the people.
And every bit of energy should be funneled towards the top of that pyramid, propping up that you give the people the best service you possibly can.
And for the Republican Party right now, that would mean that they've got to get the best health care bill dealing with the obvious challenges, both in the Senate reconciliation, bird rule, uh cloture, et cetera, and dealing with the varying factions that exist in both the Democratic and Republican Party.
Now, in the Republican Party, that's a coalition of moderates, a coalition of Freedom Caucus members and study group members and Tuesday group members and every other group that they have and getting them all in a room and getting him on board.
Also looping in so it doesn't have to be such a drawn-out process and keep starting all over again.
You might want to loop in the Senate so that they're very well aware of what you're doing in the House so that by the time the House passes their bill and the Senate passes their bill, and then you go to conference that there's not going to be so much contention in the room that now you got to start all over again.
And after seven, eight years of Promising the American people this, they they've screwed it up.
And it's my job to hold them accountable.
Because my job is to also, I'm on the pyramid too, is to serve you with the truth.
If they do something good, I'll tell you.
If they don't, I'll tell you that too.
Now there's a simple way to fix this.
Solve the problem.
Do what they should have done in the beginning.
And if that would mean bring the varying coalitions together, work with the Senate, work with the White House, get the bill passed, not a perfect bill because there's no such thing as a perfect bill.
And get a bill that's going to repeal and replace Obamacare, and then you can move on to the economy.
Then you can move on to economic growth.
Then you can move on to tax cuts.
Then you can move on to repatriation.
Then you can move on to changing, you know, the tax code and eliminating the death tax and seven brackets to three and all the other things that we talk at length about.
President's done what he could on energy.
President's doing what he can do on the economy.
He's picking up the phone and he's calling all these corporations and saying that things are going to change, but we can't get to the economy until we get this health care thing done.
Get it done.
Solve the problem.
Solve the problem.
My patience is wearing thin.
It really is.
Because the people that should be getting served here at the top of the pyramid are you, and you're not being served because these egomaniacs can't get their act together, and they're unveiling bills that nobody gets a chance to read.
That is so dumb.
They set themselves up for failure.
Then they send the president out there to do all their heavy lifting.
And that includes twisting arms and telling people to do this and do that, and then he's getting pissed off because people weren't prepared for the bill, as if this is their fault.
It's not.
And I'm sure a lot of people are throwing blame all across the board.
The answer is solve the problem.
Solve the problem.
Find the solution.
All right, let me move on.
So yesterday we talked at length about Evelyn Farkas.
And let's go back to her tape.
She says, and I want to play this for you.
She was on the Liberal Morning Joe, March 3rd.
Nobody picked up on it.
I think because nobody watches the show.
Anyway, somebody, I guess, was watching a back episode or something.
Anyway, so they picked it up yesterday.
It becomes big news.
She makes the statement.
Now she is no longer, she was working as a deputy associate or assistant deputy, whatever, for for the defense department from 2012 to 2015.
And so how she had access to this information, because at the time she was supporting Hillary and her campaign, and it was reported that she was going to get a job if Hillary had won the election.
Anyway, she goes out there to admit.
I go back to the four words I mentioned yesterday.
One is surveillance.
She acknowledges she knew about surveillance of Donald Trump and his transition team.
And when he talks about the Trump folks, and you know, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their Trump staff, and they're dealing with Russia's, so she's acknowledging surveillance.
She's acknowledging unmasking, and then she's urging her former colleagues and people on the hill to get that information out as fast as you can.
Then she's talking about intel leaks.
Listen to her original statements because she went on TV again today.
I was urging my former colleagues and and frankly speaking, the people on the Hill.
It was more actually aimed aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration, because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left.
So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy.
Um that the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their the staff, the Trump staff dealing with Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence.
So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more.
We have very good intelligence on Russia.
So then I had talked to some of my former colleagues, and I knew that they were trying to also help get information to the hill.
A lot going on today.
Yeah.
That's why you have the leaking.
Exactly.
That's right.
That went right over the head of whatever such a cute couple, Mika, whatever her name is.
All right.
But putting That aside here.
Wow.
What a damning admission on Evelyn Farkas's part.
Now, because it has to do with surveillance, because it's at a time, she may not even have a top security clearance because she's no longer with the Obama administration.
And she's admitting that she knows there's surveillance, knows there's intelligence, knows there's unmasking, and is urging the intel to be spread.
She's got herself, in my opinion, and I can't say for sure, in one hell of a pickle for herself.
Which is why yesterday I was messing around saying, Elizabeth Farkas, I am not a lawyer, but you may want to consult one as soon as possible.
Not saying she broke any laws, but I'm saying she may want to consult a lawyer.
Now, apparently she didn't take my advice because now she's actually denying that she had access to the surveillance that she said on the tape you just heard and that data.
Now listen to her try to backtrack this as they mentioned me bringing this to the forefront of the national discussion.
And listen to this.
That the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff, this is dealing with the Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.
Sean Hannity and others have made a big issue of this.
I wanted you to explain what you meant by that.
And in particular, when you talked about if they found out how we knew, what do you mean by how they how we knew?
Well, what I was getting at was the fact that we were having now a transition of power from the Obama administration to the Trump administration.
And if indeed there was an investigation ongoing, if indeed there was information that the Obama administration had about Russian interference and possible American involvement, I wanted to make sure that Congress knew about it, that Congress had all that information.
So I simply was referring because we were having a conversation about concern in Washington about what was going on with regard to Russian actions and potential American involvement.
And so I I was urging my former colleagues I worked on on the Hill in the Senate years ago to make sure that they were reaching out to the White House to get all the information they could.
Because I was afraid that somehow there might be a cover up if there was something behind the allegations.
You actually said, I knew that there was more.
I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more, And then you actually then said that's why you have all the leaking to make sure we get it out.
I mean, people are accusing you, Evelyn, of uh admitting that there was surveillance, admitting that there was unmasking, and urging people, or or at least saying that intelligence leaking, which could be a felony, is is the way that it should get out.
And you weren't even part of the government at that point.
No, so I was referring to the motivation because there had been a lot of discussion uh in the media about why are people leaking.
And and so I was trying to, but in a very shorthand fashion, explain at the very end of that quote.
All right, because I'm running out, I'm running out of time.
She is directly contradicting what she said, what we played before, what she said on March 3rd, directly.
You know, I'm I'm urging my colleagues, speaking with people on the Hill, can't get as much of this intelligence as you can before the Obama leaves office.
I have a fear that this information, she's saying she knows what the information would disappear and senior Obama people left, so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy.
And and if the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their Trump staff and their dealing with Russia, she's talking about surveillance unmasking and encouraging the dissemination.
Now, if she is not called before the House Intelligence Committee, if she is not brought before a grand jury, I would be shocked.
But what do I know?
Evelyn Farkas, you may want to consult an attorney.
Just a little bit of advice, not that I know anything.
My read of it's very obvious.
And now she's backing off it.
Who advised this woman to go on TV to contradict what she said?
Or nobody advised her.
I can't believe she would say what she said the first time.
This is not going to fly.
I guarantee I would almost bet everything I have.
Can't say for sure she is going to be brought Before the House Intelligence Committee.
Guaranteed.
And you know what I'll predict next?
I bet she pleads the fifth.
And you know what I bet happens then?
Then she gets a proffer offer.
And then she gets an immunity deal.
And you know what that means if she takes it?
That means she'll be immune from prosecution.
That means somebody higher up the chain is going to have to take the fall for her knowing all of this.
Those are two top stories today.
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Oh, this the fact that Devin Nunez's source may have been in the White House.
In other words, the White House, okay, they might have known about the leaks, and they said talk to Devin Nunez, but they weren't the leak.
One other thing.
The White House just broke on real clear politics, is urging the intelligence committees to investigate Evelyn Farkas.
Who just said that in the last segment?
Oh, I think that was me.
All right, Austin Goolsby next.
All right.
All right.
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If you want to be a part of the program, uh here to debate a number of issues.
Our top two stories today is the Republicans in the House need to get their act together, get health care repealed and replaced, and you know, stop the circular firing squad that has emerged because they were ill-prepared for the moment.
Austin Goolsby's laughing in the background.
We'll get to him in a minute.
And then, of course, our other top story is this Evelyn Farkas, who it actually admits that, yeah, there was surveillance on Trump.
B, unmasks who was surveilled.
In this case, she talks very specifically about the Trump folks.
And C, she's talking about disseminating intelligence information, which could be, I don't know for sure, but could be a violation of the espionage act.
Here to join in the uh fun is Austin Goolsby, professor at Chicago's Booth School of Economics, former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors for the Obama administration.
He helped give us 13 million more Americans on food stamps, eight million more in poverty, and all right, I'll stop.
Um numbers are backward.
Uh listen, you listen, you should be happy.
You're quote numbers from a long time ago.
No, I'm quoting the end of his admit term.
That's the numbers I'm quoting.
Uh all right, here's what I want to ask you.
Now, the light, you'll agree with me as a as a professor at Chicago's prestigious booth school of economics that the lifeblood of any economy is energy, correct?
This sounds like a trick question.
Energy is a major component of the U.S. economy.
It's the lifeblood.
I mean, you can't run your factories, you can't run anything without energy.
We need energy.
It's the lifeblood of an economy.
All right, it's one of the top issues for any economy to flourish, you need energy, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Here's what the president said earlier this week.
The miners told me about the attacks on their jobs and their livelihoods.
They told me about the efforts to shut down their minds, their communities, and their very way of life.
I made them this promise.
We will put our miners back to work.
We've already eliminated a devastating anti-coal regulation, but that was just the beginning.
Today I'm taking bold action to follow through on that promise.
My administration is putting an end to the war on coal.
Really clean coal.
With today's executive action, I am taking historic steps to lift the restrictions on American energy, to reverse government intrusion, and to cancel job killing regulations.
We've already created half a million new jobs in the first two jobs reports of my administration.
And if you notice today, Ford, great company, announced massive new spending on three big plants in the state of Michigan, a state which I love very much.
Do you remember what happened in Michigan?
Remember November 8th.
Oh, that was an exciting Michigan evening.
And Ford just made that announcement.
It's a great announcement.
It's a very important announcement.
It means jobs, jobs, jobs.
We're going to continue to expand energy production, and we will also create more jobs in infrastructure, trucking, and manufacturing.
This will allow the EPA to focus on its primary mission of protecting our air and protecting our water.
Together we are going to start a new energy revolution, one that celebrates American production on American soil.
We want to make our goods here instead of shipping them in from other countries all over the world.
They ship in, ship in, take the Americans' money, take the money, go home, take our jobs, take our companies no longer folks, no longer.
We believe in those really magnificent words.
Made in the USA.
All right.
So my big question for Austin Goolsby, who is a professor at the prestigious Booth School of Economics in Chicago, is what's so bad about unleashing America's energy potential, and that means coal, and that means fracking and natural gas, and that means drilling, and that means Anwar and the 48 states and off our coast, uh, and we could do it quickly.
That means the Dakota pipeline, the XL pipeline.
Uh why did Obama not unleash America's energy potential?
We have more natural gas than than all the oil and all the Middle East combined, and we could be independent for two hundred years.
Okay, Sean, you're all you're all over the place.
I need you to focus.
There's nothing wrong with having an all of the above energy strategy.
There's a big butt here.
Go ahead.
Get to the butt.
No, it's not a butt.
The there's nothing wrong with that.
As long as you're doing that in some way that's not polluting the water.
Well, you know, we are air.
I want dirty air and dirty water.
There's nothing wrong with that.
We should do that.
Now, when Donald Trump is talking about he's gonna end the war on coal, he doesn't even recognize that when he's saying we're gonna open up all the fracking and the price of natural gas is gonna go down.
That's declaring war on coal.
Coal and natural gas are direct competitors.
So he's totally confused when he says that.
All right, with all due respect, I think you're missing the broader point, which is yes, it's an all of the above strategy.
It's B. It's getting rid of the burdensome regulations that have literally stifled energy production in this country and increased our dependence on more than doubled our energy production under Obama.
Yeah, okay.
No, no, there's literally not doubled, but we definitely increased it in spite of him because any increase in production happened on private lands, not federal lands, because he banned the production on federal lands during his presidency.
So you got to be accurate.
You're talking about offshore drilling?
No, I'm talking about everything that exploded during his presidency in North Dakota and Texas and Oklahoma.
Maybe maybe Trump's busy with all of his other problems that he's dealing with, like the trying to convince his own party to support him on health care or other things.
But you you recognize he's confused when he says they're going to end the war on coal by using the regulations on natural gas.
I think you're I think you're I think you're missing coal.
I think you're missing the fact that we import such a large percentage of the energy into this country that there's plenty of room for growth in the coal industry, the natural gas industry, and getting our own na our own oil that we don't have we we don't have the luxury of waiting.
The less dependent we are on foreign oil, guess what?
The less dependent we are on getting into Middle Eastern conflicts.
Which by the way has nothing to do with coal.
Yes it does.
I didn't say they were burning it.
I'm saying you can do you it's a multifaceted approach.
I'll give you an example.
So years ago, you know I was a contractor right?
Yes.
Yeah I used to work on in people's homes like you big rich mansions big professors and stuff.
We've already been through the orders of magnitude your house is bigger than mine.
Okay so that's number one but I used to do that for a decade of my life and when I'd go into rich mansions like yours um I would do a lot of work in those places but I had a van that I purchased that was a former Providence gas company van that for the years the Providence gas company owned the van it was run on natural gas then converted back to gasoline when I bought that van for two hundred dollars and it was the best two hundred bucks I ever spent on my life.
Now, the fact that we can somehow slowly and surely transition between oil and gas and fossil fuels to natural gas, which is cleaner burning.
Number one, the oil companies can benefit.
Everybody can grow their market share.
And the only people that are going to see a reduction in market share are going to be those countries that give us oil at artificially high prices because the supply is artificially low.
because of restrictions your buddy Obama put on the oil and gas industry and the coal industry.
I was even you were going on I was like wow this must be a good day I'm agreeing with a lot of what you're saying but then that whole last part you just like descended into a spiral of confusion.
Yeah they see anything Obama you'll defend even the the thirteen million more Americans on food stamps.
But you won't even acknowledge that Obama accumulated more debt than every president before him combined will you admit that are we back on the do we need do we need to just go back through the deficit.
Before we go any further will you just admit Obama accumulated just about as much debt as every president before him combined as George Bush did before that as Ronald did before that.
Okay.
Because you're lumping in a whole bunch of inflation and you're forgetting he accumulated more debt he said one billion dollars in eighteen eighty is not the same thing as one billion dollars let's talk about recent history.
He accumulated so we had nine we had 10 trillion dollars in debt when he took over now it's a twenty as you know the debt is add up all the deficits that is what equals the debt.
You have a hard time.
See, that's why I can't have an honest heart-to-heart conversation with you, because any time I mention Obama— Because I want to go back to accounting?
No, because any time I mention Obama, your head spins and you bubble and fizz like Alka-Seltzer in water.
Look, let's go back.
We could talk about the debt if you want.
We could talk about the energy.
But the very first thing you said to me was, we were going to figure out whether the Republicans were going to— going to complete their kicking each other in the butt in a big circle over health care and now they have the Republicans have the biggest majority in the House they've had in ninety years.
I believe they're not going to be able to agree on the budget of themselves.
They're going to have a government shutdown because they can't agree with themselves.
Well I don't think it's going to be on their part.
Now let's see what happens but I will say this and I don't want to give you too much intelligence because I know that you still talk to Obama have you talked to Obama since he left office?
I haven't seen him since he left office.
When's the last time you talked to Obama two days before he left office.
And did you ever mention my name to Obama I'm trying to think many people from the administration high up people asked me repeatedly why are you going on his show?
But uh but I don't think that I mentioned you to Obama.
You mean he's never seen you on my show.
I think he has seen me.
For sure many of the high up people in the White House had seen me.
Well, give me some names.
Who are the high up people that saw you on my show?
David Ackrod has definitely seen me on your show.
Yeah, he doesn't like me.
Why does he not like me?
I'm a nice guy.
No, I won't say that's true.
I'm not saying he especially does like you, but I don't think he is especially dislikes you.
We'll take a break, and I'm gonna ask you about Evelyn Farkas.
I'll give you time to create as much spin as you can in the time we're taking this break.
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And then at the bottom of the hour, we'll get to your call straight ahead.
All right, as we continue with Austin Goolsby, a prestigious professor at Chicago's Booth School of Economics.
Are you ever going to let me come and talk to your class?
I would love that.
When are you going to come?
What do you want to do?
I was just I was just in Chicago and I didn't have time to get in touch with you because I was in and out.
You didn't call me.
You came here and you didn't even call me.
No, but the last time I did it, I took you and your lovely bride out to dinner, and I had a great time because of her.
We did have a good time.
It was a lot of fun.
Um, you do owe me a hot dog.
I owe you dinner.
I mean dinner.
Listen, I bought you a steak and expensive wine.
You can just buy me a hot dog, a Chicago dog, the best one in town, and I'll be happy.
Oh, that's what I'm planning to do.
Do you do you like French fries?
Yeah, but I don't eat them because I'm on a diet.
You're gonna get some.
Do you eat French fries?
Everybody, how could you not like French fries?
You have to be ridiculous not to let No, no, I like French fries.
But uh but I'm just connoting this the style of restaurant that we are going to go to is going to be proportional to the square footage in our houses.
You don't have any idea where I live.
You have no idea what my square footage about.
What if I lived in a New York apartment?
You don't even know where I live.
I would be very surprised.
I know you live on Long Island.
Yeah, I think I told you that.
That's true.
You told me that.
Why did I do that?
And you're got you you got a family of tennis players, so they got to have some space over there.
Yeah, there's a little space there.
I I admit, but I drive an hour and fifteen minutes to get home every day so I can get out of this city in the disgusting smell of a city.
I thought what happened to the thing you were gonna move to Texas.
I got a lot of my parents' friends wanted you to come over there.
Well, I would love to.
Do you understand I pay a ten percent state of New York income tax?
Do you understand?
That's what you said.
If I die in New York.
Yeah, I know, but my job is here, so I can't leave until my job is over.
I gotta I gotta help now undo the mess that your guy created after eight years, and it's a full-time job.
Wait, he he wasn't in New York City.
What are you talking about?
You chose No, he ruined the whole country, not just New York.
Almost like it's almost like you personally are proving my point that it's not primarily about taxes, it's about human capital and being where the biggest are that leads to economic growth.
This is what we need to do.
You need to arrange a m uh a sit down with me and Obama and you.
And let's see if we can't you think you'd ever sit down and have uh have a beer?
Because he once said that he'd have a beer with me, and another time he said that he was gonna send some guy to tear me up.
He he made a physical threat against my life.
Did you know that?
I really did not know that.
You want to hear it?
Yeah, listen.
That was pretty good.
I might have to put Mr. Burgess on Fox News.
I'll put uh I'll put I'll put Mr. Burgess up against uh Sean Hannity.
He'll tear him up.
Tear him up?
That was a threat to my my physical person.
Well, isn't that guy 80 years old or something?
And then he said at another point, I'm uh I'll I'm always up for a beer.
With respect to Sean Hannity, I I didn't know that he had invited me for a beer.
Um, you know, but uh I will take that under advisement.
Jen generally, uh his opinion of me does not seem to be very high, but uh but I'm always good for a beer.
All right.
Should I have a so definitely I will supply the beer for that one?
All right.
Well, Austin, good to talk to you.
It's very hard for us to have any other conversation on politics because you're always wrong, but I still like you.
Thanks for being with us.
We always have a good time, even if we don't always agree.
All right, tell your better half I said hello, and that you owe me a hot dog.
Goodbye.
All right, when we come back, your call is 800-941-SHAWN.
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Top two stories today.
Republicans, you need to get your act together.
End of sentence.
This is ridiculous.
You know, this is not the Freedom Caucus' fault what happened with the health care bill.
And at the end of the day, it may end up being one of the best favors they did to the Republican leadership.
It's not the president's fault either.
The president, I think it's sort of like he's he's being told information about the Senate parliamentarian that isn't true about reconciliation, about the bird rule, about you know, uh all of these issues, cloture.
There's a way to do this, and what's so frustrating is the eight years in, and we haven't resolved this issue.
I'm so beyond angry at this moment today.
Then our other top story today is of course Evelyn Farkas, and so we just absolutely went to town on her statement.
Let's go to the original statement she made on Liberal Joe when she said the following, where she admits surveillance took place, unmasking took place, and talked about leaking intelligence.
Listen.
I was urging my former colleagues and and frankly speaking, the people on the Hill.
I it was more actually aimed aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration, because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left.
So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy.
Um that the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their the staff, the Trump staff dealing with Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence.
So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more.
We have very good intelligence on Russia.
So then I had talked to some of my former colleagues, and I knew that they were trying to also help get information to the Hill.
A lot going on today.
Yeah.
That's why you have the leaking.
Exactly.
People are worried.
She's talking about leaking intelligence.
You know, now she's backing it off today, and my name was brought up on CMBC in an interview with her.
Let's listen to what she says.
The Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff, this is dealing with the Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, Meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.
Uh Sean Hannity and others have made a big issue of this.
And I wanted you to explain what you meant by that.
And in particular, when you talked about if they found out how we knew, what do you mean by how they how we knew?
Well, what I was getting at was the fact that we were having now a transition of power from the Obama administration to the Trump administration.
And if indeed there was an investigation ongoing, if indeed there was information that the Obama administration had about Russian interference and possible American involvement, I wanted to make sure that Congress knew about it, that Congress had all that information.
So I simply was referring because we were having a conversation about concern in Washington about what was going on with regard to Russian actions and potential American involvement.
And so I was urging my former colleagues I worked on on the Hill in in the Senate years ago to make sure that they were reaching out to the White House to get all the information they could.
because I was afraid that somehow there might be a cover-up if there was something behind the allegations.
You actually said, "I knew that there was more." I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more, And then you actually then said that's why you have all the leaking to make sure we get it out.
I mean, people are accusing you, Evelyn, of uh admitting that there was surveillance, admitting that there was unmasking, and urging people, or or at least saying that intelligence leaking, which could be a felony, is is the way that it it should get out.
And you weren't even part of the government at that point.
No, so I was referring to the motivation because there had been a lot of discussion uh in the media about why are people leaking.
And and so I was trying to, but in a very shorthand fashion, explain at the very end of that quote that people were leaking because they were afraid of a cover-up.
I do not absolutely do not condone leaking.
You know, uh it's against the law.
What I was doing was explaining, though, why people might be motivated to do that.
And I did not have any insider information myself, but I knew based on what was coming out in the press from these leaks and from official sources, the newspapers were quoting people, that my government probably has a pretty good sense of what the Russians did because we have good we have good intelligence on Russia.
That's not even good spin.
I mean, Rick Unger can do better than that for them.
And you know, as I said yesterday on the program.
Evelyn Farkas, this is a Sean Hannity alert.
If I was you, we're not accusing you of committing any crime or knowing how having knowledge about surveillance, unmasking, or any type of intelligence leaks.
But just for the safety and security, I'd get a lawyer the next time before you go on television.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Evelyn Parkas.
I hope you're listening.
It's ridiculous.
I mean, but this is huge.
We're gonna have more on this tonight on Hannity Ten Eastern.
We're gonna have some of this with uh our buddy Rick Unger and Jonathan Gillam coming up at the top of the hour.
So that's also coming up.
All right, let's get to our busy phones.
Uh let us say hi to Tom in Charleston and South Carolina.
What's up?
How are you, Tom?
Glad you called.
All right, good.
Sean, how are you doing, man?
I'm good, man.
How are you?
All right, pretty good.
Hey, man, I just wanted to give you a quick call and just say thanks for uh just always uh standing up and talking out, man.
It's like discouraging listening to some of the mainstream media and the news that's out and then driving home from work, I'll I'll listen to you, turn you on on the radio, and it's like just refreshing and encouraging to hear that you're actually talking about the things that should be talked about.
Well, I really appreciate it, and uh I can't do this without you.
I honestly do feel in terms of the media, I feel like I'm an island unto myself at this point in history.
There's no doubt about it.
But um I'm I'm happy to be here because I know that we're on the right side.
We know that.
Oh, yeah, no doubt.
We know that the failure of liberalism, we've learned it in Jimmy Carter's error, we learned it in Obama's era, and now we have an opportunity to fix things.
And my big frustration now is that the leadership in the House and Senate can't get their act together.
And it's crazy.
You know, but it's like guys like you and uh in Rush that are at least are out there talking about it and and and keeping it out there, man.
It's like you're not afraid to speak up about it and and you speak it out.
I only have one agenda.
My agenda is that we get my agenda is that we get the country in the right position.
That's my agenda.
That we now stop America's precipitous decline.
My agenda is that Americans get back to work.
Americans get back in the home buying business.
That Americans get back in the saving business.
That Americans have a better future for their kids and grandkids.
That's that's it.
If you want to know my it's not a political agenda in the sense that I don't care who's right, I'm gonna support them.
And I'll I have no compunctions about calling out anybody that's wrong.
And right now that's the way that's the way you should be.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt it.
That's the way you should be, Sean.
It's just it's disgusting when I when I see really what the the direction of the country's going with the media kind of stifling things and and just that they have the big agenda, and it's it's just so wrong, and it's like, you know, the future of all kids is really, you know, it's out there, and and yeah, I think you had a lot to do with you know the success of Trump.
Well now we gotta get the agenda.
Look, Trump's doing all the things he can do on his own, but he doesn't run the legislative branch.
They need to get their job done.
And I'm getting very impatient.
After eight years, they can't build a freaking consensus bill is ridiculous.
I have no more patience for it, Tom.
It's just not right.
The American people deserve better service than this.
Anyway, let's go to all right, let's say out of gym in Sarasota, Florida, Southwest Florida.
What's going on, Jim?
How are you, sir?
Good afternoon, Sean.
How are you?
I'm good, sir.
What's going on?
Great talking to you.
Hey, you know, I'm real concerned.
I mean, this morning, um, look, I I trust Trump 100%.
I think he's doing a great job.
Um it it really bothers me what happened uh with the with the uh healthcare situation.
I tended to believe that um there was a three uh phase approach.
And my point is is that had the economy gotten better and they passed the original bill, and then they went on to tax reform, and the economy is getting better, he would have gotten the consensus from sixty votes, and then he's never getting sixty votes in Chuck Schumer Senate.
I don't think well, my concern is he tweeted this morning that the Freedom Caucus better isn't playing ball, and what that kind of tells me is that his budget, his agenda, his three hundred and fifty ship navy uh uh build uh shipbuilding of the Navy isn't gonna uh the Freedom Caucus is maybe gonna give obstruct based on if if the moons don't align.
And uh that really concerns me because uh even the f some of the funding for the for the wall, the three billion that that's out there in the in the budget, if they don't approve that, if they uh play don't play ball with him, then he's gonna really have a tough time governing, don't you think?
I mean, isn't aren't you concerned?
I'm very concerned.
Why do you think I've why do you think I started out so angry today?
Why would he why would he tweet that, Sean?
Because I think he in my opinion, and this is what I think how I think he's been misserved.
I I don't think he's been served well here.
And as much as, you know, the he has been there only a couple of months.
But these Republicans have been there talking about repealing, replacing Obamacare for seven and eight years.
And the fact that they didn't build consensus.
Here's the problem.
He he's the executive branch.
And and I'm sure that somebody's stoking this fire and telling him the Freedom Caucus, the freedom caucus.
No, because they didn't do the bill the right way.
And in other words, if you don't show the Freedom Caucus, the study group, the Tuesday group, the Wednesday group, the Saturday group, the moderates, if you don't show them the bill ahead of time, if you don't get the consensus built before you unveil it, then the day after it's it's released, there's a huge fight going on.
Then I'm sorry, that that to me is the leadership's mistake.
And I think when you're gonna release a bill of the magnitude of this, that you need consensus.
You need to know the votes are there.
These are not small things that they're trying to accomplish here.
These are big things, and you need big ideas and you need to get people to support them.
So I I just look at it perhaps a little bit differently.
I'm just like, guys, you you've got to know better.
You you're weren't prepared for the moment to lead.
Now get now go back to the drawing board and get your act together and get it straight and build consensus and make sure you get the bill that's gonna work for the American people that lowers their premiums, that's gonna pass, that is not gonna be perfect because there's no such thing as perfection.
So, you know, uh in that sense, you know, I they this all should have been handled privately behind closed doors.
That's where the mistake I think was made.
But now that that's said and done, now they are doing it from what I hear, and we'll see where they end up where that where this end up come where this comes out.
I don't know.
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Up next, our final roundup and information overload hour.
Up next, our final roundup and information overload hour.
This is a story that'll blow you away.
That's coming up also our news roundup information overload.
But in the meantime, we go back to our phones.
Mario is in Palm Coast, Florida, next on the Sean Hannity Show.
Hey, Mario, how are you?
Hey, Sean, my friend Sean.
This is Mario.
Uh I always tell people I'm half Irish.
It's I think it makes a difference.
Mario, listen, I grew up so when you where I grew up, it was sort of like and I I can't really explain this.
Yeah, Long Island.
It was like you had the Italian neighborhood, the Irish neighborhood, the Jewish neighbor, you had all the different groups.
It was hilarious.
They had babies to make their parents crazy.
Ah, listen, you know, whatever.
I think that we all we drove every parent crazy.
There were way too many kids on the street twenty-four hours a day, and we caused a lot of problems.
Actually, at that point in my life, I was an irredeemable deplorable.
Anyway, go ahead.
Yeah, uh, I called uh to uh oh my god, my head's going off my shoulders here.
Uh the establishment republicans, I mean, they're still punching at uh Donald Trump, and I'd like to say to Mr. Trump, thanks for running in the sewer with these people and trying to straighten out all these problems.
Can you imagine this guy going in there and the mess he found, and they w and none of the people he's gonna work with are gonna work together.
It's really the parties are now for the Democrats or the Republicans.
It's they're not Americans anymore.
And that's my big problem.
I'm trying to raise two kids.
You know, putting one in college and stepson down here, and another one's gonna start, and my blood pressure went down since he got in.
My pre-diabetes went down since she got in, and I've been making money.
So I love him.
Listen, there's the politicians.
I'm gonna lay this out in my monologue tonight.
Listen, there's more opportunity here than we've ever had in the last eight years by far.
And the problem is is that we need to get on the same page.
There's a way around the the back and forth and the finger pointing and the blame that's now currently going on.
And all we need is to just get in a room, get these people calm down and get everybody on the same page, and every disparate group within the Republican coalition needs to understand that it's not going to be their way or the Highway, and there's gonna have to be a little give and take on all sides, build the consensus that you need and get your job done.
Now, I've been saying for a long time now, I want to put these guys in a room and take away their phones and lock the door and uh we'll order in some pizza and beer and and cupcakes, whatever they want, maybe some coloring books if some of them are losing it, like the snowflakes, and get their job done.
You know, I keep talking about all of us on this program.
Everybody that's working, well, Ethan's now off getting married, so we won't see him for a month.
Uh he's gonna be in La La Land.
Um, but we all work with a sense of urgency on this program.
Everybody that works on Hannity the TV program, you do your job.
There's no time for lunches and and workout routines that are go on indefinitely.
We get our job done.
And I'm saying to Congress, get your act together, build the consensus, serve the country, and help the American people.
That's why you were given your job.
We'll continue all right.
News Roundup Information Overload hour on the Sean Hannity Show.
So we've been spending a lot of time doing a deep dive into the surveillance, the unmasking and the intelligence leaking that has gone on.
And what have we discovered?
Now, thankfully we have great investigative reporters, James Rosen at the Fox News Channel, John Solomon, former AP, investigative reporter for twenty plus years, Sarah Carter, decades in the industry, is an investigative reporter.
What have we learned?
Number one, there was a Pfizer warrant issued to investigate, quote, Russian influence in the election prior to the election.
There was also a criminal warrant, look and see if anyone broke laws not related to Trump.
As a matter of fact, when they did surveil the Trump server, as Carter and Solomon point out before the election, well, they only discovered that there was no there, even though the media, the liberals, the left, and this country keep advancing a false narrative for eight months.
Anyway, then of course we have the confirmation that in fact in November, December, and January from Devon Newness, that in fact there was uh surveillance that took place on the Trump campaign.
Okay, and Trump associates.
Then we have this woman, nobody picked up on it, March third, Evelyn Farkas, who worked for the Obama administration up until 2015, then she was on the Hillary campaign.
She goes on NBC and actually says the following.
I was urging my former colleagues and and frankly speaking, the people on the Hill.
I w it was more actually aimed aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration, because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left.
So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy.
Um that the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their the staff, the Trump staff dealing with Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence.
So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more.
So then I had talked to some of my former colleagues, and I knew that they were trying to also help get information to the Hill.
A lot going on today.
Yeah.
That's why you have the leaking.
Exactly.
People are worried.
That is the strangest reaction when she drops a bombshell.
Now she's admitting what?
Number one, surveillance took place.
She's acknowledging it, and I tried to get we got to get this information, this intelligence to the people at the Hill.
And boy, if the Trump people found out how we knew what we knew about their dealings with Russians, it would compromise sources and methods.
She's confirming she saw it and she wanted to get more, and she says, I know there's more.
So she's confirming surveillance.
She's confirming unmasking when she says, Oh, the Trump staff, meaning who well, how do you know that if you didn't unmass the surveillance?
And then, of course, she's talking about leaking intelligence when she goes, get as much information intelligence as you can.
Uh that would be, by the way, a felony.
And if you are Evelyn Parkis, this is a highly recommended idea.
You may want to consult attorney, although I am not an attorney.
I don't play one on radio.
I don't know if laws were violated in any way, shape, manner, or form.
And then she goes on CMBC today, and this happens.
The Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their the Trump staff, this is dealing with the Russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.
Sean Hannity and others have made a big issue of this.
I wanted you to just explain what you meant by that, and in particular when you talked about if they found out how we knew.
What do you mean by how we knew?
Well, what I was getting at was the fact that we were having now a transition of power from the Obama administration to the Trump administration.
And if indeed there was an investigation ongoing, if indeed there was information that the Obama administration had about Russian interference and possible American involvement, I wanted to make sure that Congress knew about it, that Congress had all that information.
So I simply was referring because we were having a conversation about concern in Washington about what was going on with regard to Russian actions and potential American involvement.
And so I was urging my former colleagues I worked on on the Hill in in the Senate years ago to make sure that they were reaching out to the White House to get all the information they could.
Because I was afraid that somehow there might be a cover-up if there was something behind the allegations.
I mean, you actually said, I knew that there was more.
I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open.
And I knew that there was more.
And then you actually then said, that's why you have all the leaking to make sure we get I mean, people are accusing you, Evelyn, of uh admitting that there was surveillance, admitting that there was unmasking, and urging people, or or at least saying that intelligence leaking, which could be a felony, is is the way that it it should get out.
And you weren't even part of the government at that point.
No, so I was referring to the motivation because there had been a lot of discussion uh in the media about why are people leaking.
And and so I was trying to, but in a very shorthand fashion, explain at the very end of that quote that people were leaking because they were afraid of a cover-up.
I do not absolutely do not condone leaking.
You know, uh it's against the law.
What I was doing was explaining, though, why people might be motivated to do that.
And I did not have any insider information myself, but I knew based on what was coming out in the press from these leaks and from official sources, the newspapers were quoting people, that my government probably has a pretty good sense of what the Russians did because we have good, we have good intelligence on Russia.
Uh that goes from a long way, I know, to well, if indeed that happened, um.
You're friends with Evelyn Farkas, Mr. Rick Unger and Jonathan Gillum.
Uh I am friends with Evelyn Farkas.
Uh it's do you agree with me?
And I'm I'm not saying anybody broke any laws, but don't you think she's digging a bigger hole here for herself.
Well, the the problem is if you're going to look, I mean, would you advise her to get a lawyer, Rick Unger?
Yeah, and in fact I intend to.
Yeah.
But but the the reality is if it's it's that one part of that March statement that's if they knew how we were getting this surveillance, that you gotta go, what?
That means she knew that there was surveillance A. Well, it means one of two things.
No, it means we got to be here.
She's saying she knew there was surveillance.
She she and in that same statement, she's acknowledging that they knew who was surveilled, and that means that she knows unmasking took place.
Right.
And she's encouraging the political powers to leak the intelligence.
I I'm not disagreeing with you.
We you know we talked about too good at this.
Um what I'm saying is yes, that could absolutely be the answer.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, but there's another possibility.
All right, go ahead.
And that possibility is she's kind of new in TV at that point.
Maybe she got over her skis.
She is gonna have to answer for it, though.
And she didn't answer for it in her appearance today.
You're really a good friend.
You're really, really good.
My advice, if she's your friend, tell her to stay off the air.
Although I personally encourage it because it's just helping me and my writings.
It was a very strange thing.
You know what else I don't quite understand?
And this is obviously secondary to the things you've raised, when she says that that she was concerned that as the senior Obama people left that intelligence would disappear.
She was implying that they would take it.
Why would that be the case if she had said I'm concerned that the Trump people are going to come in and get rid of it?
The fact that she's admitting she knew there was intelligence surveillance.
She's unmasking the people surveilled, and she's encouraging the leaks.
Ouch.
What do you think, Jonathan?
Well, I'll answer Rick's question for him right there.
She was afraid that if the senior Obama officials left, that the information that should have been masked, that should have been cast to the side, regardless of the uh the surveillance, she was afraid that that information would disappear forever like it should have.
And the fact that she ended up that statement with and Oh, you I see what you're saying.
You mean because it might have been illegal stuff, they may have gotten rid of it be then.
Is that what you're saying?
No, here's no.
Here's the thing.
If they did surveillance on a Russian official, which I think that they were doing.
Right.
Um, and they were looking for Pfizers to do surveillance on Russian officials so that they could catch people.
That information, if an American popped on that, they would have to mask that and then they would get rid of it.
Except it's I see what you mean about getting rid of it.
She's afraid that if the Obama people left, that that information wouldn't be able to be because they'd have to get rid of it.
Yeah, that could be.
Here's the other thing I want to point out, Sean is that on I think it was Jan uh excuse me, January 17th, three days before um President Trump came into office.
Obama signed uh an executive order allowing the CIA, and I know you guys have talked about this before on your show, allowing the CIA to do surveillance on people who had applied for a clearance, not people who worked uh under the clearance, people had applied for the clearance three days before you left.
Now, this is the thing.
This is a way that you can go about doing surveillance on somebody without having to get a Pfizer.
All right, well, you've got that very, very coincidental that all these things were happening, and when the Pfizer was down, and when he was about to come into office, all of a sudden they signed this executive order and they're allowed to go through surveillance on anybody.
You do believe I have pretty high-ranking contacts in government, right?
You don't know anybody.
Yes, you do.
All right.
Would you believe me if I told you that after I did this yesterday, that a message came through to me from somebody someplace somewhere that said I'm right over the target.
Would that kinda tell you that I'm on track?
Yeah.
There's somebody that really knows.
But let me make a suggestion.
And I'm helping.
Yeah.
If if there was improper spying during the Obama administration, I'm gonna sit here and tell you straight out, get to the bottom of it.
Not okay.
I don't care who the president is.
But but don't conflate the stories.
If that's the case, then someone's got to be held to account.
But if we know, and if we find out that there was collusion, and notice I'm not saying that I think there was, because I haven't seen the facts yet.
If we find out that has been a good idea, what?
There's no there.
Well, there's no evidence.
Your source is somebody who tells us that every day on Twitter.
No, that's not my source.
That is not my source.
Anyway, all right, we'll continue more with uh Rick Unger, Jonathan Gillam.
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All right, news roundup information overload hour as we continue with Rick Unger and Jonathan Gillum.
By the way, at the bottom of the hour, you're gonna hear from a young man that goes to Rollins College that got suspended.
And wait, you hear this story?
It has to do with a a pretty radical professor teaching Islam at the college.
We'll get to that, and Brigitte Gabriel will also join us.
All right, so I wanna just try and understand here.
Your friend, she's admitting in the first tape that she knows surveillance took place, that she knows unveiling took place, and she's urging people to leak intelligence.
Now, I'm gonna be honest.
I don't know Evelyn Farkas.
You just told me in the break she's a nice woman.
Yes.
Okay.
I don't know her for a whole no and you would advise her as I have been.
She probably needs a lawyer, and going on TV today was probably pretty dumb.
I would not have compounded the story.
Listen to the case.
You would not have compounded.
All right.
At the end of the day, she's now wide open.
It's not Evelyn Farkas.
It's much higher than her.
Who knew what when and where?
Now if a low-level defense department, retiree, I mean she was working for the Hillary campaign at this time, is saying this.
Well, where did she get the intelligence while she's outside the administration?
Who else knew about this?
Obviously, she probably had to tell the Clinton campaign.
But see, those are all good questions, which is kind of what leads me to asking the question, not saying it's the case.
Did she get over her skis?
Because I don't know how she knows all of that.
She wasn't that low level, to be fair.
She was in charge of the Russia desk over at uh at the Pentagon.
Uh but I I but I but I don't believe it was her, Jonathan.
My and this is just a total guess on my part.
I just can't believe so nonchalantly she she's just sitting there exposing this like it's not a problem, and then she had no clue what she was saying, and as much as the severity of what she's disclosing here.
It's called intellectual stupidity.
That's what that is.
Somebody that comes out there and thinks that they're doing the the furthering the right thing.
They've got this all this stuff coordinated, I believe, and this was a flip-up.
Let's walk this through.
Now let's assume here that there's gotta be higher people involved than her.
So if let's say I'm on the House Intelligence Committee or I'm investigating this, maybe as an outside counselor if a grand jury's put together, what is probably the first thing you're gonna do?
You're gonna call her in, she's gonna plead the fifth, the next thing you're gonna do is offer her immunity and a proffer agreement, and she's gonna have to give somebody up higher on the chain the axe.
You do realize you're doing exactly what you're angry at the other side for doing about Trump and Russia.
You are speculating.
Okay, with all due respect, I'm just taking her out of her word.
Well, we're doing the same on the other stuff, and you go wildly speculate.
She she is saying she has knowledge of surveillance of the Trump transition team, and she's encouraging for political purposes the leaking on Capitol Hill of Intelligence.
I mean, she's she wasn't urging.
She was explaining the leak.
She didn't urge it.
I'm urging my former colleagues, and frankly speaking, uh, to some of the people on the hill, it was actually aimed at telling Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before Obama leaves.
That doesn't mean that'cause I fear somehow the information will disappear.
Well, what well, you how do you get it?
How do you transfer intelligence?
No, no, there are people on the intelligence as we on the hill.
Uh huh.
You just saw it happen.
You just saw the chairman of the intelligence committee go to the White House.
So you did intelligence.
So she went to newness.
No, he didn't go to newness.
But people on the intelligence.
But she's talking about okay.
Did she have access to the intelligence?
Did she have top security clearance?
She's out of the administration for a year.
How does she how is she in the loop on all of this?
I don't know what she knew when she knew it.
I really don't know.
That's why I raised the possibility.
Well, we know she knew it when she wasn't.
Wait a minute.
She knew it after she had left the administration.
Well, she said she didn't.
And she said she know how if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff unveiling, unveiling, unveiling.
That's the troublesome line.
Yeah.
No, there's a couple of troublesome lines.
That's one of them.
There's not uh why is information it's being collected by an intelligence group being shared with the DOD?
This is foreign counterintelligence.
Has nothing to do with the DOD.
Nobody's you know asking the question.
That's not necessarily ding-ding ding.
And she's a pol and now she's uh a political operative because she is with Hillary.
She was with Hillary at the time.
Yeah.
At the time.
Yes.
And I'm gonna turn the tables on this one.
This is a perfect example of where the GOP is not organized in their response to the city.
I know.
They're terrible.
Listen, don't get me started.
All right, I gotta let you both go.
Two good friends with the program, Rick Unger, who I suspect will be calling Evelyn any minute now, and Jonathan Gillum, 800 941 Sean.
This next story is gonna blow you away about a student at Rollins College.
Just stay with me and trust me on this.
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800 941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
So I want to bring in uh bring you up to speed on a story that's happening that I think needs a little attention here.
So Rollins College is a uh is a college down in Florida.
I know it well because a a very good friend of mine's son just graduated from there, and I had another friend of mine's son go there as well, and it's a great school down in Florida.
Anyway, so there is a 20-year-old student there named Marshall Polston.
He's a sophomore, and it's a four-year college in Florida, and he said that the professor of Middle Eastern humanities in that class also told students that Jesus' disciples did not believe that he was God.
He was then and long story short, he ended up getting suspended.
And basically, this teacher claimed that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ was a hoax.
Well, anyway, I want to get to the bottom of this story.
Joining us now Brigitte Gabriel, her group Act for America has taken up the cause of this young man, and Marshall Polston himself joins us.
All right, explain exactly what happened, Marshall.
Well, Sean, thank you so much for having me on your show.
It's an honor.
I've been listening to you since I was about three years old and a huge fan.
By the way, you know how old that man.
I don't know.
I've been listening to you since I'm three.
I'm now a sophomore in high school on a college.
Great.
Well, thank you very much.
So tell us what happened.
Absolutely.
Well, uh, you know, the first day of class, it was really disappointing to hear that this professor was uh indoctrinating students with false information.
She was saying that the crucifixion of Jesus was a hoax.
Then she continued and talked about uh the disciples and said they didn't believe he was God.
And I was really shocked about that because I've I went to a private school all of my life as far as uh religious uh uh studies go, and I know that uh most obviously most Christians would be offended by that, and beyond that, most secular scholars, even atheists would disagree with what she's saying.
I mean, these are the top Jesus scholars like Bart Ehrman who would disagree with her.
So that I'm Well, it was even worse than that, wasn't it?
Didn't apparently weren't there students in this class that supported Sharia law and made justification for the decapitation of gays and lesbians and adulterers and and chopping off hands of thieves.
I read that that was said in class.
Absolutely.
You're you're exactly correct.
And uh it was shocking to me as well when when those comments were made.
Uh you know, after I kind of combated that first part in class, they made me shut up for a couple weeks.
When that student came out during a discussion about Sharia law and said that he thought, you know, uh chopping off of body parts was okay.
I thought to myself, this is insane.
We've got to do something about this to protect not only the academic integrity, but perhaps the safety of students.
And it's amazing to me that we've had an attack here in Central Florida on the gay community and others.
Forty-nine people killed the largest uh.
Yeah, you're talking about the pulse nightclub.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And now it seems like Do you uh do you have a tape of that being said in class?
Well, I I don't have a tape, but I can tell you that one of the students did file an FBI report because they were so concerned about it, and it's so you have corroboration and you have witnesses that corroborate what you're saying.
Now, I think I think the real story here is not just that I have wit I I have witnesses, but I think the real story is that my freedom of speech and my freedom of religion was shut down in the class and that this is what I was going to get to.
You're an A student, correct?
You're a straight A student?
Okay.
And you ended up getting an F in this class and then you got suspended.
Correct.
All right, so why did you get an F in this class?
What was the justification for that?
Well actually I didn't get any justification.
I asked for uh justification in my email and she promptly sent me to the Dean of Safety's office because she was more concerned about my questions in regards to my grade and this student than she was about decapitation comments by uh the this individual.
Now this the letter that suspended you on March 24th said your actions have constituted a threat of disruption within the operations of the college and jeopardized the safety and well being of members of the college community and yourself and you were given strict directions not to set foot on campus or have any contact with this particular professor, correct?
That's correct and I didn't but subsequently she decided she was going to issue a false police report and she wrote lies about me and this is you know I don't know if you've read the police report she claimed that I came to her classroom and peered through the window.
Well we know this is not true because of number one witness evidence and number two I have video of myself almost an hour away given that it was during rush hour of me at a Chipotle near my house and additionally I have video of my car coming back into the neighborhood.
So she gives it she gives us very specific time nineteen thirty six hours correct correct okay and that you have video evidence that you were in a different location and eyewitnesses that prove you were in a different location.
That's correct yes and and so what is the what is what is this teacher saying that you did that was is it so they're saying that that incident that you would look or peered through the window was the incident that that resulted in your suspension and you can prove you weren't even anywhere near the college?
Well what she's done now is she's tried to get an injunction against me but uh I think she's you know misplayed her cards uh misplayed her cards here because if you look at what she said in the report she actually uh basically lied in the report which is a misdemeanor in Florida.
Now, it's even worse than that because you didn't realize this at the time, but I guess, Brigitte, I'll bring you in here.
Apparently, this professor was on the FBI watch list along with her husband.
Correct, because of her link to terrorism and link to Sherry characters.
In fact, she even hosted a fundraiser to Imam Siraj Wahaj, who is a co-conspirator, indicted co-conspirator, in the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 in New York.
we know that she has radical opinions radical ties she even tried to radicalize the children of her lover uh um that she was raising to the point where the ex-wife of the lover filed the report that and worked with the FBI about the radicalization happening in the household by this professor as well as the husband of that sad lady towards the children.
So we see a pattern of radicalization with this professor going back over a decade and to think that a respectable college like Crawlin's college would not even do the due diligence before hiring such a radical professor who is spewing and encouraging uh uh uh words of hatred and violence in the class including kind of approval of you know uh uh being gays and etc.
Let me let me just be clear so you have other witnesses and one even filed a complaint that in this class that there were Muslim students you're claiming that in fact justified the decapitation and murder of gays and lesbians, adulterers and thieves you have you have corroborating witnesses that will testify to that correct I I do have that I will make you aware though that my feeling from them just by speaking to them is some of them are very afraid given the fact that in this uh report
and this is actually in a sworn deposition by the children of this uh Dr. Gawaji who she was uh married married to and in this islamic marriage in the Islamic society of Central Florida she uh actually said with him and this is a again a sworn deposition by the children of of this this doctor with his first wife she said to them that and I think I I'm gonna paraphrase this but you I don't know if you have the document but she said that they would have no greater
wish than to glorify their lives by blowing themselves up for Allah and you have a lot of students saw that and there is court documents and it's a sworn deposition by the children.
So that being said a lot of the students are very concerned for their safety and security and they're very afraid to speak out.
And so and the and the interesting part of this while she claims you were making this threat by peering through a window, how intimidating you have video evidence and eyewitnesses that put you in Chipotle about an hour away from campus.
Yeah that's correct.
All right so basically and you have a hearing on this coming up I think tomorrow at school?
Well we had the hearing on Tuesday and uh the first words out of the mouth of the hearing officer were because there's video cameras inside the building uh where I was supposed to have been and I asked them, I said were you able to obtain that footage uh of me and s uh it's allegedly inside the building and they said well unfortunately we've looked through the footage and we don't see you.
And I thought to myself unfortunately you're you're starting off with the sentence with unfortunately that shows extreme bias on their part and and I think they're highly embarrassed that they allowed this type of radical Islamic professor to be hired at the school.
Well so the issue should be whether or not and when that teacher gets fired and when you get your good name back have you hired a good attorney?
Yes, yes I actually have several attorneys that I've been working with and they were all wonderful.
Um you know I've had uh um my attorney is uh Ken Lewis he's great.
Here's my recommendation.
I would demand and have your attorneys write the school letter, demand reinstatement immediately, and that the school rescind their statement, and that they restore your good name on campus, and that there may be punitive and other damages that this has caused you, and I would file a lawsuit as fast as you can.
Absolutely, and we're working on that right now with all my attorneys.
And if I could just release this little piece of exclusive information that I'm going to give you right now.
We have just received some information.
that indicates this professor may have released some of my private uh record to the police in her police report.
Now she admitted in the one of her police reports that I was not a threat and that I did not threaten her.
Under FERPA law, if the school releases any of my private record, that means that they will lose their federal funding and the federal government will relinquish that.
So unfortunately they may be facing a situation where they will be losing mass amounts of funding from the federal government now for something they and this professor did by releasing information on my private record in the police report and if you want I can send that to you as well.
Is there anything that you can think of in any email you sent this professor that could in any way, shape, matter or form be interpreted as being threatening.
Absolutely not you know I I think saying that someone is not a good professor or saying that they made false statements in the classroom is not anything that is a threat.
you know, maybe she feels like...
Well, could you imagine if you took a class on Christianity and the professor said that the prophet Muhammad was, you know, I'll use their words, that he never lived or that the prophet Muhammad is not the great person he claimed to be, like she claimed that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ was a hoax.
Imagine how some students would react if something like that were said.
And, you know, for her to make those statements and to allow students to make statements justifying the murder of gays and lesbians and adulterers and thieves under Sharia law is way beyond disturbing.
And such a person apparently with a background such as this particular professor, and then the professor caught lying because you can prove that you were in a different location when she says the threat occurred.
I think, I don't think I've ever heard a stronger case in my life, the fact that other students were afraid to speak up and talk about these things being said in the classroom...
and a few of you did shows an enormous amount of courage on your part and an enormous amount of courage on the other students' parts.
And I'm sure other students probably felt the same way but were scared to death.
Well absolutely and I I'm really grateful for the encouragement you're giving me here because it's not easy coming up against all of this backlash from the university officials who are highly embarrassed by this professor even though they don't want to admit it and now they have to try to play cover up in this time for them to do the right thing and stop the bleeding before it gets worse.
And what the right thing for the school to do would be to fire the professor.
Once you get all of the students testifying that in fact, this class that she said the things she said and allowed other students to talk about killing gays and lesbians and thieves, the very thing, the very suspension letter they wrote you, they should be writing to her.
Well, the I think you should also ask for a clarification from the student who made those comments because those comments are reprehensible.
And that student should get the same letter as well for supporting those radical views that uh result in an intimidating environment for anybody.
Um, I guess the go ahead, uh Brigitte, you want to add something.
Uh yes, I want to add, and this is where Sean, uh public pressure becomes very important because the students may be afraid to stand up because they are afraid for their grades, and that's where we come in, the patriotic Americans who care about what's happening in the classroom and care about students like Marshalls.
We are their voice, and we are putting major pressure on the university to reinstate Marshall in his class.
Oh no, let me let me tell you right now.
Professor.
Because I'm gonna have both of you exclusively on my TV show tomorrow night.
And so when we do this tomorrow night, trust me, uh, I would have no fear in your heart at all, Marshall.
This is gonna work out in your favor, and uh you're gonna end up being the the bright light at the end of this story, and somebody that courageously took on somebody who has extremely radical views and allowed such uh talk in the classroom and apparently a background that was not vetted by the university, according to uh Brigitte, and I have no reason to doubt her, she's never been wrong in all the years I've uh I've interviewed her.
So I can just say to you that I would absolutely positively just stay on the course you're on and be careful.
I would like to add we uh for people to be engaged and informed about who to contact and where to write.
We have all the information on our website, act for America.org.
Make sure you sign up to get the information uh on who to call, what to write, and when.
And if the decision tomorrow is not favorable, we are organizing a demonstration against the college on Saturday for people who want to be involved.
Make sure you are signed up at X4America.org to stay informed.
All right, thank you so much.
And Marshall, hang in there.
Uh I admire your courage, and we're gonna have you both on TV tomorrow night.
Much appreciated.
All right, sir.
Thank you.
And hang in there.
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