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Filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
Man, it is good to be back on this show.
So many people out here watching this show, so many fans, so many loyal people involved in the dialogue of that train that was started by Donald Trump last year and is continuing to move.
And I gotta tell you, it's an honor to be a part of that dialogue.
I've been going around speaking to different different uh GOP groups uh around the country, and I'm gonna talk in just a little bit about one of those groups that I spoke to last week.
The thing that I'm that I'm really interested in now is getting this message that I'm gonna talk about today on the show out to everybody in this country that's conservative, so they keep up the dialogue.
You see, people we have to realize that, and I'm gonna explain this to you.
The reality of how the government is broken down.
And the reality of who the establishment should be in these political parties.
And AI said parties, because the people, there may be liberals.
Rick Ungar comes on the show a lot.
He's liberal, but he's a realist, he's an effective thinker.
They're being overranned where they can't even think effectively because of the far left Marxist upper echelons of the Democratic Party and the political establishment that pretty much have sold their sold their soul in any direction uh just to make money and gain power.
Now, those of you who don't know who I am, uh I am a former Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal, security contractor, an FBI special agent.
I've been out for about four years out of the FBI, and somehow worked my way over into uh into the media where it was a gift from God that I got a stage that allowed me uh to get in touch with David Webb and Sean Hannity, Katherine Harridge.
Catherine Harridge really, you know, I can thank her for getting me into this more than anybody, and introduce me to Fox.
Uh David Webb introduced me to Sirius, where I'm a uh guest host now on Sirius XM Patriot Channel 125.
You may be listening to this show on that.
And so I fill in for Will Cow and David Webb himself and Sean Hannity.
I was a CNN contributor for a while.
Yeah, I went to the dark side.
I went over there to see if I could bring some truth.
And ultimately that's what got me.
Pushed, I wouldn't say pushed off of that network.
It was a mutual agreement that I wouldn't continue there.
Because you cannot, and this is the problem.
People that have these extremist views, you cannot bring the truth to them.
They're not, they don't want to hear it.
And so here's what I talked about when I was speaking out in Tucson with the Green Valley Republican club.
Is that we have to realize, folks, that the way that politics has become, and what is happening now in Washington, DC, is not what the founding fathers intended.
They intended for us to be a republic of states, of unified states, powerful states, with cent with governments in each state that were powerful, and a federal government that was less powerful, and politicians that were not tyrannical, that didn't have absolute power.
They knew what happened when politicians got absolute power.
They corrupted absolutely they get they get corrupted absolutely.
When you give politicians all the money that they want, what do they do?
They end up wanting more.
That's the way it works.
So what has happened in Washington, DC is that the two political parties, the Republican and the Democratic Party, and you're seeing the Republicans now in CPAC.
And yes, I told this to a Republican group, and I'll tell it to anybody in the Republican Party.
There are two companies, private companies that run this entire government.
This is not conspiracy theory.
It's not some kind of thing to make you get all shaken up and think, you know, like Alex Jones.
There are two companies that run the entire government.
While all these liberals are out there saying all this stuff and protesting, you know, Donald Trump because he's a billionaire or protesting all these different, you know, you have these earth liberation groups that go out and protest big industry.
What they don't realize is that two private companies do, in fact, run the entire government.
That's the Republican and the Democratic parties.
They are private organizations.
They are not government organizations at all.
They own every seat of government from state and local to federal, every judge, every congressman, every senator, and every president that we've just about ever had.
So what has this become?
Well, it's become basically two different companies that have their own establishments.
But these establishments don't be fooled.
These establishments milk across party lines.
Even though I believe and I think that there's proof, and uh we don't even have to say it's a conspiracy that the left, the upper echelon of the left, and many people involved in the left and the Democratic Party and the liberal side that protest and people that run that are Marxists.
You can call them Marxist Communist Socialists if you want, but uh it's it all leads back to the same thing, which is control.
So what we have are establishments that control the political message, just like the media.
The media's part of this.
But these establishments control all the goings on.
You want a good example, even though she supported uh Donald Trump in the election, the new head of the RNC is Mitt Romney's relative.
So that should that should really make you stop and think for a second.
Mitt Romney, who's obvious obviously establishment, who did not like Donald Trump running for president, and now I don't know if it's his niece or his cousin, but she's she's took over for Ryan's prepus.
That should cause you pause because these establishment members own what goes on and what's being said and what the narrative is by and large.
Establishment members can't necessarily be trusted because they will wane from one point to the other.
The same people that are gathering at CPAC or a lot of the same people that are never Trumpers or were never Trumpers, or who knows what their ideology the real ideology is there that they want.
Were they a never Trumper, or do they just not want somebody that is not a part of their establishment in there?
I've been saying all along, I don't think it's about Trump at all.
I think it's about the fact that these people didn't have somebody in there that was a part of their crew.
Now, also at CPAC is another thing that you're gonna see that's a part of this whole political uh machine, and that is all these people that run these campaigns, the people, the advertisers, the people, the advisors, all these individuals that have deemed themselves the masters of campaigns and getting elected.
That's the political machine.
So you have the establishment, you have the machine, and each party, if you want a good example of that, look at Mary Matlin and uh and James Carville, two people who are married, she handled Bush uh uh Bush's campaign, and he handled Clinton's campaign.
If you don't, if you don't think that those two extremes uh that they can't that these people couldn't be married, and you don't think that it's possible, all you gotta do is start understanding what the machines and the establishments really are.
They're less ideological in most cases, and they are more business on both sides.
So you have to understand this, folks.
You have to have the truth, you have to have reality, you have to have a realistic view of what's going on so that you, the people, can start to maneuver and take over and take back your political parties.
Wars are created by individuals and leaders.
They're fought by the masses.
But I think it's time that the masses turn around and start taking back these political parties.
Then we would know truly on the left what the ideology is, because I don't think a lot of these people realize what it is.
Before we go to break, I just want to I want to clarify this.
There's a difference, and these are harsh words that we use.
I live in New York, so you hear these words a lot.
There's a difference between dumb and stupid.
Dumb is when you have a child or you have somebody who just doesn't know.
They haven't been taught yet.
They're dumb in that area.
I'm not an attorney, so I'm dumb in the law.
I'm an operator, so I'm educated in how to shoot, move, and communicate.
That's dumb, right?
And a lot of us, and that's what I'm trying to do with you today is educate you in understanding exactly what is happening in politics from a 30,000-foot level.
But stupid is where you are offered the truth and you deny it.
Or you don't want it because it's not, it doesn't fit your opinion.
It's not that it doesn't fit facts.
You're not interested in facts.
You're interested in your opinion.
That's what differentiates dumb and stupid.
We can educate people who are dumb to the fact of what's going on in Washington, D.C., but you cannot fix stupid.
A person who has resigned themselves to believe in an opinion and not fact cannot be fixed by you.
Only the truth whittling away inside of them can fix them.
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This is Jonathan Gillam.
And yes, Sean Hannity does do Twitter, that's for sure.
He's uh he's known for his Twitter.
You can also find me on Twitter at J.Gilliam underscore seal and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam.
I do a show called The Experts every night at 9 p.m. more or less, sometimes a little later, you know, listen, I'll get paid for it, so I gotta get on there and get my stuff ready when I can.
So it's around 9 p.m. every night.
And the great thing about that show, it's kind of like doing this show and watching my Twitter feed.
There's uh when I do the Facebook live show, there is this constant feed of all these people that come there amazing Americans that come there every night and they uh are constantly uh pushing forward the dialogue.
It really does help guide the experience that I have and understanding how to teach people.
And I can't thank all the people that show up there every night uh for all they do.
So follow me on Facebook and you can join in that dialogue.
We would love to have you on there.
Every now and then we get a couple trolls from the liberal left, but and I I welcome people who are liberal to come on and partake in the dialogue, but it doesn't mean that you have to get in a nasty argument, so we get rid of those people pretty quick.
But what's interesting about that is that I don't really know if Facebook realizes what they've created.
It's gonna be interesting because I feel like they do mess with my conservative message at times.
The the the reach is kind of skewed sometimes, or the views get skewed, people tell me they're not getting notified.
If that's what they're doing, ethically it's wrong, legally not.
But if you're gonna start something and allow people freedom of speech, then you need to allow it.
The same thing with Twitter.
I utilize Twitter, I think Twitter's a magnificent tool.
But there are cases where I see people being screened because of their conservative message.
I don't believe in that.
And what it starts to allude to is collusion amongst the establishment on the liberal left.
Which we're gonna talk about the red green alliance a little bit uh here in just a minute.
What I do want to do real quick though, I want to go to some of your calls because I'm seeing some of the the calls that are coming up here, it reminds me again of this when I host this show, The Expert, nine PM every night on Facebook Live.
The comments that are coming in on these uh calls are amazing.
And well, let's go to the first one.
Let's go to Ross in uh let's see where in Pennsylvania.
So Ross, you said the monologue was uh was on point.
Tell me what you felt about that.
Well, this is my first first time calling.
I always listen to Sean Hannity, but I will now also listen to your show.
You got it.
Your two definitions of the two corporations, the two biggest companies in the country was spot on.
I loved it.
I'm gonna use that if you don't mind.
Listen, let me say let me say let me say one thing real quick.
I'm a vessel of truth, right?
But that's all I am.
I'm I'm not all knowing.
Whatever message I put out there, like I put I made this meme about uh Mika Brzezinski the other day who was saying that uh you know it's the press's job to tell everybody how to think.
Her father actually said something similar to that several years ago, but I I made a meme and put that out there, and it was um it was repeated by uh James Woods and got four thousand repeats.
I that's what we need.
We need I need that dialogue spreading.
Well, and first of all, I also want to say Thank you for your service.
You got it.
And uh, you know, i you're you're spot on.
I mean, it couldn't have been any clearer and succinct.
I I loved it.
Thank you.
Well, you know what it is?
I'm from the South.
We, you know, we like to talk a lot, but we think simple.
Yeah, but you say it like it is.
Exactly.
If we can just get the right and left politicians to do their job instead of promoting themselves.
Yeah.
You know, and and them making money on the working man.
You know, I I just I just love what you said.
Thank you very much.
And Ross, be uh safe out there in Pennsylvania.
Let's go now to the total opposite of this.
Let's go to Jerry in Norfolk, Virginia.
Um Jerry, you say how are you doing today?
Good.
So you you're saying that hold on a second, I'm gonna read what you what you have to say here.
Says that you disag you disagree with me.
Uh you think that Trump is stupid.
Uh I don't think Trump is I don't think Trump is stupid.
I think he's extremely intelligent.
I did twenty-seven years in the Marine Corps, I was c uh for the whole twenty retired Marine Colonel, the entire twenty-seven years I was with uh recon units and uh service then went with the government afterwards, so we probably cross paths somewhere in the hall of stars.
But the and I agree with you one hundred percent about the difference between stupid and and uh and dumb.
But where we where we part ways there is thinking that Trump is going to lead us.
He has an entire he is not a leader.
Every leader that I bet you have ever had in the service that you admire and looked up to had credibility with you, you had confidence in him, and he had a track record.
Trump has none of that.
You look at what things that he is doing that hurts the military with the f with the freeze.
Um first of all, I think he was a coward not to go in and you listen to some of the things he said.
He knows more about the military than the than the generals or ISIS than the generals.
His grandiose BS on there, he is not a leader.
He is absolutely not a leader.
Can he build a wall?
Yeah, he could probably hire somebody to build a wall, but that's not the issue.
The issue is that he has a proclivity to not tell the truth.
Well, well, well documented.
And you talk about the people that are being polarizing, just today he excluded what, five or six, what he considered fake media, fake news people from being in the in the Washington press uh gathering today after CPAC.
So here's here's what I'm gonna say here's what I'm gonna respond to you on that, okay.
I don't know you, I don't know your service, and I have to assume because you're calling in that you're telling me the truth about your service.
Um I don't know anybody else from the Marine Corps that was at your rank that would say what you just said.
And now here's how I define a leader.
A leader is somebody uh that first off is aware of themselves and is aware of uh their capabilities.
It's somebody that uh basically self-aware.
It's somebody that is understanding of the job that they've been tasked with or the job that they want.
It's somebody who, with the awareness and the understanding, are able to build trust within their own self of their own actions, and that in turn will build trust in other people.
You have definitely seen that over the past year with the election and within the past thirty days.
Donald Trump trusts his actions.
He's definitely aware of who he is.
He definitely understands the job that he's doing now and that he wanted a year ago.
And he trusts his actions.
That's why he's confident in what he says.
People have started to trust that as well.
That's why he got elected.
That's why we hold him accountable for doing the things that he campaigned on.
But here's what's really defines a leader is that once they have the awareness and the understanding and the trust, they then start to take initiative because they have motivation.
Right?
The awareness and understanding and trust builds that motivation.
He's definitely a motivated guy.
And he definitely takes the initiative.
He his work ethic is unbelievable.
And so it's difficult to say if you take those five qualities of what makes up, I believe, what makes up a leader, and say that those don't apply to Donald Trump, you know, when somebody is in an environment for the first time, and then he's not a politician, it's difficult it's difficult for somebody to make all the steps correctly.
But I can truly say the way he is maneuvered around uh and got uh a small group of people to maneuver around the establishment and the liberal left.
I I have to say that he's a leader.
Okay.
I I uh I agree with the majority of what you said.
Uh the exception is I do not think that he is self-aware just by the grandiose of how he can do seemingly anything and everything better than anybody.
But but here's the thing.
But but look, look, sir.
I'll call you, sir, because I'm gonna take your word for it.
You know, and I was just a lieutenant.
So you know, I hear that over and over again.
But here's the fact.
He does it.
He died.
Here's a guy who continuously achieves, and yeah, when you're in politics, it's gonna be Rocky.
But this is a guy who continues to achieve.
Now, listen, I want you to know, and everybody else out there.
That's the way I see him.
But I'm not looking at him as a celebrity.
I'm looking at him as somebody that I expect to do the job.
And if he doesn't, I have a platform, and I'll give that platform to people so that they can say that they're not agreeing with what he's doing.
But I say we give him at least a year before we start calling him a failure.
Listen, I gotta run though.
Jerry, thank you very much for your service.
And I tell everybody out in Norfolk that I said hello.
I was stationed down there for uh quite some time.
And we are going to let's go ahead and uh I think we're gonna take a break now.
Yeah, let's take one more call.
Okay, let's go to let me see what you got here.
Some incredible stuff on here.
Uh let's go to Allison in Illinois.
Go.
Thank you for your service, number one.
You got it.
Uh number two.
Um, a lot of what you said about Congress in DC.
Um, what do you truly make of Michael Moore, Michael Moore types who have been saying the same thing for years?
I don't even think Michael Moore ever truly wanted Obama, never really wanted Hillary himself, you know, complained about DC in Congress for years in much the same way you have.
What do you truly think that man wants?
Well, Michael Moore is a businessman, first of all, uh, and he is a uh far left liberal.
He has uh you gotta understand what the liberal left is.
They they believe in a dialect, uh a dialectic, which is a philosophy, uh, that all opposites should come together and synthesize into one.
And that is never gonna happen.
Never.
Even God in the Bible made split everybody up when they tried to build a uh a tower to heaven and gave everybody different languages.
You know, that's what they believe, and people like Michael Moore, they just profit off of that whole system.
And ultimately that's what communism leads to, that's what Marxism leads to, fascism, socialism.
It leads to control by the few.
They make all the money, they make all the decisions, and they have all the power.
And that's what happens when people turn all their freedom over to tyrannies.
That's what Michael Moore is.
He is a freedom vacuum.
He'll just take it away from you if you gave in to what he preaches.
Thank you.
You got Alison.
Be safe up there in Illinois.
God bless you.
You got a guy's had a lot going on up in Illinois.
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I got to tell you, I'm getting a ton of tweets.
But I got to read one bad one, or I guess it's bad.
I don't really know.
It's kind of funny, though.
Uh Jolene A. L says, what the hell?
Who is this dude, Jonathan?
Well, I'll tell you who I am, Jolene.
I'm a red-blooded, freedom loving American male that has spent a life, a young career in my life.
I'm 47.
I like to think of myself as young.
Uh shooting, moving and communicating and defending your freedom, and now I'm bringing you the truth on the Sean Hannity radio show.
That's who I am.
Let's talk now to another truth speaker and all American male is Jason Meister, good buddy of mine and a former Trump surrogate.
I don't know if that it's like being in the CIA.
I don't think you're ever a you never leave being a Trump surrogate.
You're always a Trump surrogate.
And uh he's a real estate entrepreneur here in Manhattan.
Before we start talking, Jason, let's play that sound bite if we can, one more time of what uh and I gotta thank Don Lemon for really defining what fake news is.
Um it's interesting how somebody from CNN would be the ones who put out the right definition because it doesn't make them look good, but let's go ahead, let's play that one more time.
Fake news is when you hang on.
Let me explain to people out there watching you with fake news is fake news is when you put out a story to intentionally deceive someone and you know that it is wrong.
All right, I don't know of anyone who has put out a story in the the mainstream media that I can think of, right?
I mean, that's basically it.
Uh you it doesn't have to be a fake story, a made-up story.
It can just be information that is misleading or doesn't give the full picture and then is blown up into something that it's not.
I mean, you've been around this, you've been a surrogate, you've been in the media, you've been around the Trumps.
How do you see it?
Let me tell you, Don Lemon.
Let me tell you what fake news is.
Fake news is when you demonstrate that more that uh more than a deep bias against the president, but you show self-incriminating willingness to use baseless innuendo altogether divorced from the truth in a no-holds barred effort to destroy the president, because that's what they're doing.
The MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, every single newspaper in America is literally trying to destroy the president.
That's that's what's happening.
And social media is what's putting it on putting it on its face for what it is fake news.
And here's the thing.
You know, fake news is you could it's just it's either void of the truth or void of enough truth to where it, as you put it, divorces itself from reality, basically.
And what is so strange to me is how blatant it is.
And you said something when we were when I was uh you were in here when we went to break, is that how great Twitter and even though they're liberal companies and Facebook and all these different I don't know what Instagram really is for to tell you the truth, but it's uh allowing people to share their insight,
not just their opinion, but a lot of times people see things and say, Well, that's not right, and I think that's why people notice that man, two years ago, CNN wasn't blasting the you know Barack Obama for for doing crazy stuff, yet they blast Trump on a daily basis.
It's clear bias.
They don't even have so clear.
I mean, two days ago, the cover of the New York Times, I think it was two days ago, there was a cover article.
Uh Trump is deporting immigrants.
No, he's not deporting immigrants.
He's deporting illegal criminal immigrants.
Okay, that's not immigrants.
That's purposeful innuendo to take down the president and for what he's trying to do.
Right.
Protect America.
And that is that is right there.
The other thing they do is they talk about the prison system.
I talked to Michael Cutler, who is uh an immigration former special agent with immigration, and we were talking about this 40 to 60 percent.
Uh people different people give you different percentages, but let's say 40 to 60 percent of all the prisoners in our jail system in this country are illegal aliens.
I mean, when you when you think about that, and then you think about how um all the activists, all the leftists always talk about how it's it's all black people, it's all racism, the cops are shooting the wrong, you know, innocent people and putting them in jail.
When we look at the reality of who's in jail, 40 to 60 percent are illegal aliens who have come here and committed crimes.
Jonathan, uh I don't want to pivot.
I want to talk about fake news, but I also think fake news, I want to talk about what created fake news.
I think fake news is a product of this past election, and the Democrats and the media that's been in the tank for the Democrats and for Hillary, they haven't looked in the mirror.
They haven't figured out why they lost.
They blamed it on the recounts.
Now they're blaming it on Russia.
There's zero evidence.
Zero evidence that Russia interfered in our election.
Zero.
So here this is why I'm glad that you said the way you did.
Because you never been in the federal government, you never been in law enforcement, you've never been around uh propaganda and seen the way that propaganda and intel is used.
So your outlook that you just gave, I don't disagree with you.
I think that there's a lot of people in the media that in fact have not looked in the mirror and don't see it.
But and there's a lot of these people who follow what they see in the media.
But here's the truth, and I'll break this down real quick is that there is an unholy alliance, a family tree that includes the media, but it starts with politicians and the establishments.
It includes big money donors.
There's people in this country that can sway the thought process of a professional politician, not by saying we think this is right, but by saying we're going to support your campaign with 10 million dollars.
Soros?
Right.
Or yeah, Soros, the people like this.
So there's the politicians and the establishments, there's the big money brokers, there's the media.
And the media is the propaganda arm of these private companies, basically, these two different political parties.
And on the left, they own the majority of those propaganda sites called mainstream media.
And so what they put out, it emboldens the narrative, it emboldens the activist, and it emboldens what people believe that just refuse to accept the truth on something.
So instead of investigating something like Russia, it sounds like we should be investigating something called the deep state, which is what I think you've sort of just tipped on to.
Right.
I mean, this this is pretty scary that we live in in 2017 and we have the shadow government, the media taking down a president.
And he hasn't been in office for more than a month.
Right.
So I'm gonna yes, and the shadow government is definitely we're gonna continue in this conversation about the shadow government.
But that is definitely something that is um it's it's absolutely real.
And what people and that's what I was talking about earlier in the first part of this show was this swamp that Donald Trump uh went to Washington, D.C. to drain.
I don't know if the if the people that a lot of the people that he's bringing in there understand the depth of the swamp.
I wrote an article for the Daily Caller, I put it on Twitter and it's on Facebook, and you can find it.
Uh you can also go to the Daily Caller and look my name up.
What it talks about is the immigration issue and how when people come over from other countries, there's no there's no standardized screening process, right?
And there's also no standardized way of taking people's fingerprints, some place they don't even get fingerprint until they get here, or their data and running it through the Department of Defense databases.
When somebody is caught in uh the Middle East, for instance, and by uh our our uh operators over there, our military operators, they uh have their fingerprints and their all their information taken, it goes into a Department of Defense database.
Those people do whatever they get interrogated, maybe they go to jail for a while, they get out.
Several years later, they want to come to America because uh we're taking refugees like crazy.
They make their way to wherever it is, they get over here, they get fingerprinted and information taken, personal information taken by immigrations, but it's still not ran through the DOD databases.
So now we have people where there's hundreds of investigations going on because twelve, fourteen years later, now they're getting ran through the DOD database because they're going to get benefits or try to become an American citizen.
And so that is that is part of that swamp.
There's people that know that this exists and they won't fix it because they have this belief that we shouldn't have borders and people should be able to come in here and well that that's sort of this push of multiculturalism and globalism and and all just open borders.
Um but you know, the president has been has been very consistent that we need to protect our borders.
We need to we need to have legal immigration.
This is a country that was founded by immigrants, but legal immigrants, and they come legally.
And it you finally have a president that comes in and and is delivering on the promises that he that he said he would do, and and it's just this this media has is just an impediment to everything that this country wants and to protect itself.
And when you think back to the last eight years with President Obama having the media literally in his back pocket, um you you can just think about how hard this job is for President Trump and and and what he has, what he has to do to get what he wants enacted.
Especially when he's never been a part of this system before.
Right.
I mean, it's it's quite unbelievable.
What he's even been able to do so far.
I mean, that's why I was discussing that with the caller before.
You can't say that he's not a leader when he's let himself straight and everybody else straight into the White House that has this vision.
Let's take a break and we'll come back and we'll continue this discussion.
We're gonna get into a little bit more about this shadow government and what everybody keeps talking about from my perspective, and I'm gonna get your take on this Jason.
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Uh Jason Meister.
What is that?
What is that uh nationality?
German.
It's German.
That's what I figured.
And uh so he's joining him either a real estate mogul, I like saying that, and uh a uh former Trump surrogate, and we were just talking now, played some clips before we would left there, and you actually had a question for me, which was about these clips about Ashton Kritcher and uh and then when I was talking about the John McCain thing, and you were asking me how this connects back to the deep state to the deep state.
And then it that's exactly what I wanted everybody to be asking when we come back, because the reality is he's a board member on the McCain Institute.
So here's a guy who's believes and preaches, doesn't just believe, he goes out and preaches this um this ideology of some kind of weird thought process of the Constitution that it ensures our freedom to be happy, which there's nothing in the Constitution that says you're gonna be, as an American, you are insured happiness.
You're insured freedom, and you can go out and find happiness and be the best you can be.
You can also be you know the laziest you want to be in complete failure, and so whatever.
It it allows you to do that.
But he also talked about how globally that America should also go out and what was the word he put, bestow uh this happiness on the rest of the world.
Right?
That's the way a lot of these people believe.
The fact that he's in uh a board member on the McCain Institute shows you that it goes across party lines in the establishment.
It shows that uh the mentality that so many of the people that are in government, you gotta remember for 24 years, eight years of Clinton, eight years of Bush, eight years of Obama.
I threw Bush in there because Bush didn't get rid of any of these people that came into office during the Clinton era, right?
The standards of service went down.
He didn't have to do as much.
They started recruiting people based on their color, based on their ethnicity, um, based on their gender, and in large part uh in the Obama administration based on their sexuality.
And so they recruit these people in there, not who's effective, they base them the recruitment on these numbers that they need.
They get those people in there.
A lot of them have this ideology of freedom of happiness and we should do these things globally.
Why stop at the globe?
Why not go to the whole solar system?
The universe, yeah.
So we can bring happiness.
I think that's why this is aliens.
The story is so big about these exoplanets that we're never going to get to, and they're and and so the way this goes back to the deep um deep dark secretive you know, government that everybody's talking about, um, the the puppet government or whatever you want to call it,
um, shadow government, is the fact that for twenty-four years people have been put into or been joining the government, the standards have been gone have gone down, and the ideology of liberalism has increased at the same time political appointees were entrenched and never left.
Generals rose to power from the time of Clinton's uh term to now, and those are the generals by and large that are advising our current president.
So these things are so entrenched that people will instead of looking at does this follow the Constitution?
Is this American?
Are we putting America first?
I don't know why it's so they keep using this word of nationalistic.
Why can't you love your country?
It's not like Germany.
That was that in in World War in the United States.
I agree with respectful nationalism is a good thing.
America first is not a bad thing.
But now you understand how this whole thing gets entrenched.
It's very similar to these different um sanctuary cities.
If you continue to allow people in there that shouldn't be in there, eventually the whole ideology in that city is going to change.
Right.
And I think Jonathan, that that's exactly right, and I think what this deep state is is not a new thing.
And well, what is a new thing is the year of 2016 in a lot of respects is the beginning of what I think is a global revolution.
I mean Brexit.
You had Trump, um, you have Italy referendum.
It's happening all over the globe, and the deep state is freaking out.
Um and what they did with Flynn, and we were talking about this during the blub during the break, but I think Flynn took a bullet, okay, from this deep state.
The deep state uh uh these US Intel operatives motivated by an anti-Trump agenda, the part of the so-called deep state, engage in illegal surveillance, which was followed by criminal, partial and subversive leaking by deep state operatives at the Department of Justice designed to spawn supported by nothing but baseless innuendo, a conspiracy theory that the president had collaborated with Russia.
And I think this Russia thing is a complete ruse.
Well, I wrote a you know, I I write articles, and then uh I I send them to the different uh whether it be the Daily Caller or IJ Review, and usually their opinion articles is what they're published as.
But I wrote one a while back, and I I pulled it.
I was gonna submit it and I pulled it back because I wanted to wait for a few more details.
I can't make that mistake anymore because the news cycle changes so fast.
But this was about how everything it's all things Russian.
It's always this is gonna be the case for for the rest of the at least for the rest of the year.
It's the narrative that they tested uh this soros, deep state narrative that they tested, and it was and they think it's working, and they think they're gonna have a monopoly on truth, and they're gonna put this out there into the into the world, and the sheep are gonna follow.
But the problem is, like we were talking about in the last segment, social media allows that to be thrown in the garbage for where it belongs, because we we can now see the fake news.
It's very obvious when it's fake.
And they have a monopoly on perception.
That's the the reality of this.
They don't have monopoly on truth.
But I you know, I'm from Arkansas, and I've explained this on my show, the experts uh every night at 9 p.m. on Facebook Live.
And so I want to say it here.
This is a redneck explanation, or really he'll Billy, because I'm from uh Arkansas in the Ozarks.
The truth is like a chrome bumper, right?
You know, when the sun shines down upon it and God's glory hits it, it just shines like crazy.
But it can get muddied up.
And people can bury a hole and put it in that hole.
But the interesting, and that's what the mainstream media does.
They either let you see part of it or they bury it completely.
But the interesting thing about the truth is human beings are attracted to shiny objects, and the truth is a big shiny object.
Right.
And once they see a little bit of it, people want to see more.
And if you're walking through, maybe you know, there'd be, you know, walking down this road, this dirt road, there may be 10, 15,000 people walk by this thing and never see it.
But one day it rains and a little bit of that chrome sparks out, and somebody's going to notice that and pull it out, and they're going to show it to the rest of the world.
And that is the truth.
That is the reality of what's happening now.
You brought this up earlier with mainstream uh with uh excuse me with um uh all these different apps like Twitter and social media, is that yes, they are compounding that narrative and putting more dirt over the truth, but at the same time, you got you know, you got feisty little conservatives on the right that are digging that truth out constantly.
Constantly.
Constantly.
So I think that I think that what what I'm and this the this deep state conversation is is we can go on all day.
Um but I I think that the media, the liberal mainstream media for for the most part, has really tried to take down this this revolution, and they've failed miserably.
And now as a result, they're they're sort of acting out.
And um for example, I was reading uh uh I was in the gym, uh actually I go I work out in Equinox, and they have they give you a times digest, they don't give you any other newspaper.
So I'm I'm reading, I'm sitting there the front cover of the Times is an op-ed from the front from the front cover to the end.
It's a it's a freaking op-ed.
The whole thing is an op-ed.
They think the media thinks that their job is not to report news, but to but to literally give you a perception and feed you what they want you to believe.
Right.
And and and that's what they're doing with this Russia and all this other stuff.
And that's where the stuff with Russia is so convenient for them because you you're not gonna prove it.
Like the the guy uh that was a um some former officer that did that uh thing, it was a big thing.
It's so crazy how fast this goes by.
But they did the the leaks and the stuff about Trump supposedly having some kind of thing with prostitutes over in Russia, right?
It was proved absolutely stupid and not true.
But the there was no way to truly back check that.
And I've been saying since the DNC was hacked, not uh Podesta, but the DNC.
I thought that the DNC, and this was before they started using the whole Russia thing.
I thought that with Hillary Clinton's connections as Secretary of State, it would have been very easy for her to get in their pockets in the DNC pockets, um Russian operatives and then have themselves hacked so they could use this excuse later on.
A lot of people are like, eh, that's kind of the crazy, you know, that's kind of conspiracy theory.
But now, if you think about it, the fact that they keep using this stuff over and over again, they obviously can create news because I think they have access to people who are or were uh intelligence operatives in Russia, and they can create literally from Russia create news.
Right.
I mean, look at this Project Veritas um this came out yesterday with CNN and and they had these inside tapes, and you can see the producers of these shows saying that it's our job to put out this perception of Russia and and to put out this message so that the American people believe this stuff.
It's it's I mean it's it's really a threat to the our democracy.
Yeah, it's exactly right, because the people where we're going against uh they're the Marxist.
And we haven't talked about this.
I'm you know, I I'm not a full expert in the red green alliance.
I'm studying this, I'm learning about it.
Uh I highly recommend that people go and research the Red Green Alliance, which is the Marxist and the Islamic fundamentalist like the Muslim Brotherhood that have intertwined themselves, and by and large, the Muslim Brotherhood has gotten themselves deep into our government and people don't realize this.
It's another thing.
That's why it's so politically incorrect to point out anything about uh Islam and uh the And it's not radical.
We we have to I've been saying this forever.
We have to get away from the the word radical Islam.
There are Islamists and they're jihadists.
Right.
It's fundamental.
Well and we have to start looking at it that way.
Jonathan, this is a very important point.
I was talking about this the other day with someone.
You know, people bring up that there's there's a lot of peaceful Islamists, peaceful Muslims.
Yeah.
And and and that's true, the majority are peaceful people, but they're irrelevant.
Because what what it took 19 hijackers to take down the Twin Towers and bring America to its knees and kill three thousand innocent people and attack the Pentagon.
So we need to worry about those people.
That's what we should be talking about.
Not the not the peaceful people like in Germany during World War II, the majority of Germans were peaceful people.
But the Nazis were killing were killing people.
So millions of people.
So again, here's this is where I do have somewhat uh of uh an insight into.
Dr. Stanley Milgram did a study on exactly what you just said.
Uh he wanted to find out why the Germans would by and large follow or support what was happening in Germany.
This is in 1969 he did this.
And it's uh I I don't have time to go through the whole experiment, but basically he took volunteers from Harvard, and he uh would have the volunteer sit in front of a control board and he would have an actor in another room, and he would he had his lab coat on and he would put pressure on this volunteer, and he would say, When the person in the other room, I'm gonna ask him a series of questions, when they get the question wrong, you're to initiate a shock.
And every time they get a subsequent question wrong, you increase the shock.
And these people would go uh well over fifty percent of these people would take this person to death because the uh the instructor would protest and push them and pressure them.
But what he found the most remarkable thing was that when he removed them and he put another volunteer in the control panel, uh excuse me, an actor in the control panel, and the volunteer stood to the left, and he said, When that person gets the question wrong, I'm gonna tell you, volunteer, to tell that person to shock them.
It went up to eighty to ninety percent of the people that would support this person that was doing the shocking.
And that's what's the problem when it comes to Islam.
That's the problem with the people inside the government that are supporting the Marxist left.
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This is Jonathan Gillam, filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
Man, this has been a spectacular show so far.
We've talked about the reality of government and the establishments and the two private organizations called the Republican and the Democratic Party that run our government and pretty much monopolize our entire government.
And uh how you, the people, are the establishment.
That's what is so great about what is going on in this country right now on the right, is that we are the last great hope for this country, but we have to unite.
You see the unity on the left, and it's an unholy unity.
Unholy unity, most people don't even realize that they're organized with the Muslim Brotherhood, with Marxists.
They don't even realize that.
They have some kind of I don't know, some kind of dreamy fascination with happiness and thinking that it's a constitutional right and that we should bestow it, as Ashton Kutcher said, bestow the the right of happiness amongst other people in the around the world.
Hogwash, that's what that's called.
So next, coming up now with me, been looking forward to this since we since we got these two booked together.
Uh uh one of my favorites on television, General Thomas uh Macliner, he is uh uh I just think one of the best uh analysts that you see in the news uh and also Scott Eulinger, who is uh former operations officer from uh the CIA, and he was the station chief just outside of Russia and uh in an area outside of Russia.
This is what I'm talking about, folks.
This is the type of analysis that you all need to hear from people who are proven to be looking for truth and not a narrative so I can't thank you both for coming on with me.
Thanks a lot there, John.
You got it.
So I want to, you know, I've been talking earlier and pretty much for the first two hours of this show about, in a roundabout way, about this shadow government.
And it sounded conspiratorial at first for a lot of people.
But the way I explained it, and I know, Scott, you and I have talked about this before.
For the past 24 years, eight years of Clinton, eight years of Bush, eight years of Barack Obama, these people have been entrenched as the standards were lowered to get into the government and into the military.
And the political appointees and the people of the liberal ideology entrenched themselves in the position so that they could grow and check the boxes to get to the top.
That's the real swamp.
And I want to start off with you, General.
I'm very critical of generals that are in the DOD right now, and I don't hide that at all, because the fact that they came up through the Clinton and Obama, Clinton, Bush and Obama era.
I have to take them with a grain of salt until I can trust them.
Am I wrong for that?
Well that's a very difficult question to ask in a short period of time.
I came up through uh Ronald Reagan made me a general officer and we had an entirely different attitude.
But what I'm troubled on particular on the uh Obama administration the the eight years there they would not identify the threat Jonathan called violent extremism rather than radical Islam and they would not prosecute the war the way it should be I'm harsh on our guys that have had to fight over there but they fought with handcuffs.
I remind people as a lieutenant in my first tour in Vietnam as a Ford air controller uh I made the decisions and all the targets we had.
I didn't go back to ask a captain, a colonel or a general I made those decisions.
And the three other tours that I flew I'm in fighters I made those decisions.
I didn't have somebody telling me whether I could do it.
So the the legal system I think is that has been put in to want zero uh civilian casualties zero collateral damage is I I believe taking a big toll on their thinking because that's the only way they think they can do that they've got to have a a senior person making a decision for them.
No, we delegate responsibility to the warfighters and and that's I think the difference that you're really referring to.
And that's where I keep saying the only criticism I really have, of course, I'm not privy to the inner sanctum of the White House, but from the outside view, what I don't see is real operators advising.
I see some of these people that are at high levels, well, I see a lot of people that are high levels, that have been political appointees before, that are politicians or generals or admirals, and I haven't been correctly vetted in my eyes of being true seekers or people people that are operationally minded.
And uh that that to me is a little worrisome because it's the continuation of these high level uh politicians really and so let me ask Scott this real quick.
Sure.
Um so you've you've dealt and and it sounds like I'm kind of twisting and turning here but I'm gonna put it all together you've dealt with you've dealt in the CIA with propaganda.
You know what propaganda is and you know how spies and intel agencies utilize uh sources and propaganda to create stories.
One of the things that we've been talking about today and is constantly in the news is how fake news isn't necessarily a fake story it can be the truth but only a portion of it mixed with uh a kind of an overabundance of hysteria and that's right can you explain that to the American people that how intel agencies or propagandists like the mainstream media utilize these things.
Yeah there's no question that you're right John the best lies always have a grain of truth in them and so um you know I've seen throughout my career certainly looking back at uh you know Russians are masters of propaganda and they always followed that they always followed that rule when they were um forming their own propaganda messages in you know the subjugated country of the subjugated countries of Eastern Europe and such.
So there is always going to be some truth or the cinema or they edit they they twist the perception of the truth by omitting certain facts.
Actually you have to go no no farther than uh what was announced today about Rance Pribus, and they mentioned that he had asked the FBI to um basically put out a message that uh that the administration had nothing to do with the Russians.
Right.
Now that is true in and of itself, but what they forgot, what they did not um discuss, and what was widely discussed um um on the internet uh today was that the FBI had approached Priebus to state that they had not found any ties with the administration to Russia, and so then Priebus very naturally asked the FBI, well, if that is the case, can you please go out and publicize to the American people like the results of your investigation?
But see, the press only reported the fact that he asked them to do that, which implied which didn't imply that they were innocent of anything, just that Praebus was trying to, you know, put his thumb on the scale.
But it was with the select use of some actual facts.
And what bothers me tremendously about that is the fact that this name McCabe came up again in this, and Deputy Director McCabe is the same guy from the FBI whose wife was being investigated before because of political ties with the Clintons.
He was removed and put in charge of the Clinton investigation, which doesn't make any sense to me.
So he's another one of these deputy directors that came up um under either the previous or under the previous administration and uh and goes back to uh what I was saying where these people come up through the ranks, General, and uh and where Scott's talking about the use of this propaganda, now we're starting to see the collusion of these different uh groups of these different level people, and and why isn't the FBI just doing their job?
Why are they saying, hey, this is the way it is, and when they turn around and say, Can you can you go ahead and inform the people about it, they say no.
How did that get to the press?
That's a great question.
Look, the fact is is they're moles like McCabe, there are a bunch of them in the Intel community, etc.
that pull the trick on Mike Flynn, and these trapdoors were left by the Obama administration.
The Obama administration, Jonathan, is the worst I have seen in all my years for doing things that are really betraying the national security interests of the nation.
They left deliberate trapdoors, and uh it's gonna take a while for uh the Trump administration to get rid of them, but they better get rid of them, and they've got to do it quick.
And what you're really inferring is, yes, they're uh when you get to three and four star generals, they are decided through a political process, and that this particular last eight years, this political process has put people in jobs that that we have to look at very closely,
and people like McCabe that are in those jobs where there was clear evidence that is he was contributing to his wife, who is a Democrat, and uh where his leanings are.
So that's uh I I share your concern for it, and I think it's very important that the Trump administration get a handle on it.
And how would you, if you were in and I'm not saying if you were president, but if you were put in charge of the general and you came in somewhere, um, how how do you go about getting rid of these people?
There's certain people of political appointees, there's deputy directors, could you ask them to retire?
And then what about changing uh the internal structure because what I've seen when it comes, especially the Bureau when I was in the FBI, if you hammer somebody for doing something wrong, there's a rest of the people are gonna go, I'm not gonna do that, because I'll get, you know, I'll lose my career.
But how would you clean that up, sir?
Well, I would I would look at it and I would do some in-house intel, and I would look at their career progression, and I'd discuss uh and I w I would say the last eight years, I'd look at my key leaders, who they are, and I would weed them out.
I'd ask them to Retire uh or have other ways of getting rid of them.
And uh and particularly the FBI has become very politicized, which is a great disappointment to us all.
But uh as well as the Intel, DNI, uh CIA really has become politicized, and so you have to go back and look at that and look at it very closely, and then put your men in, your people in.
And and if you put the right leader in, he'll put the right people in, Jonathan.
I couldn't have said it better myself, and I really hope somebody from the Trump administration is hearing this because they need the advice of uh of the reality of this, and that's what I was gonna ask you.
I got about a minute left, uh, Scott, or actually two minutes.
When it comes to listening to what I call, you know, the operators on the ground or the subject matter experts, that's not typical in government.
They would rather hear somebody who is a lawyer tell them what to do than somebody who's a subject matter expert.
What is it what is it like when you're working in the agency or in anywhere else in government?
I know the answer to this question and I'm and that's why I'm smiling while I ask you this.
What is it like for you as an operator when you know the truth and they are the heads or the political entities are not listening to you?
Right.
It can be a very frustrating thing.
However, a professional is a professional.
Like, for example, you know, when I was.
When I was a station chief overseas for four years, right next to Russia dealing with the Russians on an everyday basis.
The when I was frustrated by, for instance, the you know Clinton's disastrous reset with Russia, I knew it was a disaster from the moment I heard about it.
Anyone who knows Russia knew it was going to be a disaster.
But I continued doing my job as best I could for the na you know, national security of my country.
I didn't begin by starting to leak information that I thought would embarrass Clinton Clinton because I disagreed with her decision or her decision process.
I remained a professional, and unfortunately, we're not seeing a lot of this.
We're seeing constant leaks.
Today today the uh there was a leak out of the State Department about a memo they just put out about how to control leaks.
So, you know, they've got they've got some big problems that need to be addressed, and perhaps one solution would be to put some more people who with proven loyalty to Mr Trump, proven loyalty to the country, who have operational or you know, work a day experience in the respective agencies who are willing to stand up for what's right and you know, start clamping down on these leakers because I think you know these leakers, uh despite some people saying uh to the contrary, I believe most of it is politically motivated.
There really can be no other explanation because it's it's totally unprofessional.
Gotta run, gentlemen.
Uh General, thank you very, very much, General McInerney for coming on.
Scott, uh, you linger for I can't thank you all enough.
I'm gonna put out your information how people can get in touch with you on Twitter and such, but thank you guys very much.
Uh it means a lot to me.
Thanks, Jonathan.
You got it.
Thanks a lot, Jonathan.
You got it, Scott.
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This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
And again, if you're just tuning in, I hope you were here for the entire show.
Those of you don't know who I am, I uh am a former Navy SEAL Federator Marshal, security contractor, and FBI special agent here in New York, both on the criminal and counterterrorism sides of the house.
And uh I host a show called The Experts on Facebook Live.
You can find that at uh on Facebook on Jonathan T. Gilliam, it's nine PM every night, Eastern Standard Time.
And I'm also a serious XM Patriot Channel fill in host for David Webb and Andrew Wilkow and Sean Hannity, of course, over here.
So we've been talking about all day uh for this entire show about the reality of the Democratic and Republican parties that they are private organizations, that they monopolize every single seat of government in the United States,
city, state, and federal, that uh every judge that you know is pledged to one side or the other, and that the establishments and the machines that make these parties run um aren't necessarily people who have your best interest at heart, especially if you're on the left.
On the right, as I spoke uh speak to different GOP groups like uh uh incredible guy Jim Stone, who's the president of the Green Fo Valley GOP group in uh Tucson, uh just outside of Tucson, Arizona, spoke to them, and I'll be this uh Saturday at the Washao County Republican Part uh event uh in Reno, Nevada.
The message that I'm bringing out to these individuals, and what they're very receptive is the fact that the Republican Party and the reality of conservatism, it has the word serve in the middle of it, and that it's it's time that, and I think this train got rolling last year with uh President Trump, it's time for the people to take over the Republican Party and become the establishment.
So I thought, you know, when I was talking to Lauren setting up this uh show today, uh it was very important for me to bring somebody on that knows the reality of this shadow government that we've talked about, and not the conspiracy theorist part of it, but the reality.
Sheriff Joe Arpayo, I think, is probably one of the people who know more about the legal system and the court system and how over 24 years these judges have become more and more liberal to the point where they're skewing the Constitution and what is actually correct,
like Ashton Kircher when we had him on earlier saying that there's a uh we have the freedom of happiness when there's no such constitutional right for happiness.
And Joe Arpao has done he's a real was a warrior out in Arizona, really trying to make big differences, and was constantly being challenged by the court system and by politicians.
And also joining me right now is Steve Ronenbeck.
He's a father of a 21-year-old uh young man, Grant Ronnenbeck, who was shot and murdered by an illegal uh immigrant uh in Arizona, and that was in uh January 22nd, 2015.
And it's very similar when I was when I was looking at this, uh Steve, when I was looking at this story, unfortunately, that was in 2015.
There was just another story in Denver that's eerily similar to this story right here.
Oh, absolutely.
It it's uh, you know, it the these judges are are doing exactly what you said.
They're skewing the Constitution under the Fourth Amendment to uh to twist it to give these illegal immigrant criminals rights under the Constitution.
Well, let's be honest.
They came here illegally, they committed a felony, and then they want protection under the Constitution when they're not American citizens.
I can't go to Mexico and cross illegally into Mexico and be expected to be protected under the Mexican Constitution after I crossed their borders illegally.
Right.
What makes them think they can do that here?
And Sheriff, Sheriff Joe, uh, first off, first time we've ever talked.
It's uh an honor for me to uh be able to interview.
I'm a huge supporter of yours.
What what is your experience and and please explain to the people the reality of this whole thing?
Well, well, first of all, Joe, I want to thank you for your dedicated service.
Yes, sir.
Uh all those years.
And uh boy, do we have fifty hours of talk?
I'm gonna have to condense it.
I uh I I can't say too much about the judges.
I would love to say about especially one.
Uh but they got me in uh court uh Mr. Minner sending the army after me, FBI agents.
You know, we got all this terrorism, you got FBI agents, uh the Department of Justice under Obama investigating me uh for alleged uh uh racial profiling or or uh whatever.
So I gotta be a little careful.
But boy, one day I'll talk.
Uh but uh as far as the illegal immigration, you know, I was a regional director of Mexico, South America, Texas.
I can go on and on my background, so I understand Mexico very well, having lived there and worked there.
So we do have a big problem on the illegal immigration.
But we also have a problem on drug trafficking, all the drugs are coming into our country from Mexico, the majority is we got a two-prong attack that we have to follow through on.
And uh, you know, I was with President Trump from day one and uh thank God that he is the president.
Believe me, I just can't understand or or I just can't imagine what would happen to this country if he wasn't a president.
So he's got his programs, his policies on illegal immigration, and uh I think he's proven so far he's gonna follow through on his campaign message.
So it's very important for the president when the president speaks, at least the a uh federal bureaucracy falls in line, and I think the people of this country are falling in line about this illegal immigration problem.
I've had uh just before I left office, uh I completed a a study and I showed that ten thousand people in the jails that I run turn over to IC.
Thirty-nine percent have come back to the same jails that I was running.
Thirty-nive percent.
Think of that.
Thirty-nine percent coming back to the same jail.
So these people that are releasing these illegal immigrants on the streets, and I'm talking about government officials, just look at the havoc that's causing our nation, letting these guys on the street and they keep coming back.
They ought to go directly deported back to where they came from.
So that's how you saw one of the problems.
The other problem, 287G is a problem because they took that away from me.
We had the largest two eighty-seven G where you cooperate with ICE away.
The president wants to reinstitute that, and that's great because the federal government can't do it on their own.
They need help from local state law enforcement.
Why not bring them back into the fight to fight the illegal immigration uh problem that we have?
So there's good things in the horizon that's making me uh very optimistic.
Let me uh let me ask uh Steve something real quick.
We only got about unfortunately this goes really fast here.
We only got about uh two minute minute and a half left.
When you have a foundation, the Grant Ronenbeck Foundation.org is how people can find it.
Um in your experience after this happened, what was uh the outreach of uh law enforcement and of politicians and uh people in general um as far as understanding goes of what happened with your son.
I mean, was there was it to them just another murder?
Or did they understand the fact that and do they understand the fact that it was done by somebody who was here illegally.
Well, and I'll be honest, uh Sheriff Joe was uh one of the first uh to acknowledge it, and and again, so thank you for that.
Um Sheriff Paul Babiou, uh Congressman Matt Salmon, State Senator Steve Smith.
We had we have a lot of politicians and law enforcement that that contacted us.
Um in fact, City of Mesa uh when Grant was killed, the City of Mesa Police Department had actually called us and said, Hey, we'd like to provide you with the escort for the funeral procession.
So City of Mesa stepped in for us just to show their support and because they knew what had happened and they knew how preventable it was.
Um and again, Sheriff Joe and I have talked several times, and and he's been a great ally and a and a great advocate for for what we're trying to do.
Let me just say this.
I unfortunately I'm gonna have to cut this a little short.
Um Sheriff uh Joe, I I just want to, you know, I want to take the remaining seconds here to tell everybody that uh my opinion on you as an operator as a warrior for justice and what's right, uh I'm behind you, and I I really hope that all this stuff goes away so we can hear your voice to the extent it needs to be heard more.
And Steve, uh, God bless you uh for being the father in this situation.
I can't imagine what you've been through, but you keep fighting the good fight.
And gentlemen, uh I salute both of you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you for your service.
Thank you, Steve.
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