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When any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections, that we need to take action.
And we will.
See, now we're feeling what not having hope feels like.
The impact of that malicious activity benefited the Trump campaign and hurt the Clinton campaign.
The era of economic surrender is off.
You, the people of Pennsylvania, are finally going to have a champion that fights for you in the White House.
Freedom is back in style.
Welcome to the revolution.
We're rolling down the night, shooting bullets at the moon, baby, this is how we roll.
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This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
It is great to be back in the hot seat for Sean Hannity.
And I can't thank him enough and Linda for having me here and everybody else, all the people that work here's like thousands of people that work behind the scenes for Sean Hannity's radio show.
It's amazing, uh, the machine that's here.
So they're all laughing in there.
It's literally like four people, and they're amazing.
Four thousand people.
Anyway, listen, it's great to be back here.
Those of you that don't know who I am, uh, I'm a former Navy SEAL.
I tell this every time, and I know people are getting tired of this, but former uh Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal, Security Contractor, and FBI special agent, aka G man here in New York.
I don't know if uh I I listen, I'm still proud to have been a uh an FBI agent.
I just wish they would get rid of uh the criminal James Comey.
Get him out of office, Mr. Trump.
First thing you gotta do.
Let me tell you something.
Before I start on my rant here, I gotta hand it to Mr. Trump.
He has stacked the dick with leaders.
Forget about forget about for a second what their backgrounds are.
Just the sheer fact that he brings in men that understand leadership and women that understand leadership.
I mean, listen, he just uh named Kellyanne Conway as uh special counsel, I believe it is.
Um, literally, he should have her on a rope like a police dog, a leash, and then when the press, I know he's got a press secretary, but I love Kellyanne Conway.
There's nobody better that can get somebody in a chokehold and smile at them at the same time while they take them down.
It's like some kind of special martial arts that she's got.
Kellyanne Conway needs to open up a school for police officers to teach them how to face people with a smile, but still be ready to kill at any moment.
That's where I think Kellyanne Conway is amazing when she does that.
So I want to congratulate her as well.
But Mr. Trump, President elect Trump, has put real leaders in place that are going to work together.
Now that is one of the most amazing things uh out of this transition uh team that has put these people together that I've seen in years.
Uh, since Reagan really.
I mean, we could say Bush and Bush, but the fact is they they took Reagan's people and reappropriated them.
So really Reagan, when he put people in was similar to this, but still, I don't think we've had this type of leadership in the White House in modern history.
The only problem we have with that is James Comey.
We're going to have a new uh uh attorney general.
We got an incredible uh Secretary of Defense and General Mattis who knows how to fight a strategic war.
We have uh General Kelly that's gonna be in the Department of Homeland Security that knows how to communicate with uh General Mattis so they can work together.
Because listen, folks, there is no when it comes to fundamental Islam, there we have to stop thinking that the war is only overseas and that there's only a few lone quote unquote lone wolves.
I don't like to use that homegrown operatives that operate here inside the United States.
The reality is it's one group, it's one war.
It just happens to be here inside the United States and internationally over in the Middle East.
If you want more on this, you can go to my YouTube page and look at the experts, which is my show that I host nightly on Facebook Live at 9 p.m. on my my Facebook site, Jonathan T. Gilliam.
But you can see I put a strategic war plan together that incorporates all these things.
That's what's happening.
You're getting people domestically and people and and a general that is working with the DOD that's going to be able to work together.
There's this one more problem, two problems.
One is James Comey.
Gotta get rid of him.
Ask for his resignation January 20th.
And then put a real agent in there, not somebody who was an attorney and uh that knew the Clintons for since Whitewater.
Next, it is imperative, and this is where we're going to go about hope.
It's imperative that Mr. Trump goes several layers down.
That's where the real swamp is.
That's where most people, when they look at a swamp, they look at dirty water.
But you go walking into the swamp, what traps you and kills you is the dirty, deep mud that's in a swamp.
And that's what's directly under the political appointees.
That's the deputy directors that have been brought up by those political appointees.
That's like the DOJ, where it's just infested with ultra-left-wing liberals, aka communists.
We have Mr. Trump has to go in and systematically rebuild each one of these agencies by promoting people that have been in the trenches, people that have been on the street, people that are dedicated to the fight, not dedicated to the administration.
He does those two things.
He's already done the first one, putting people, right people in place, needs to get rid of Comey.
But if they go in and each one of these secretaries goes into these agencies, listen, I've been a part of four federal agencies and one state agency.
I'm telling you, that's where the real danger of the swamp lies.
Now, how does it have to do anything with hope?
Let me tell you.
Michelle Obama's statements that she made, let's go ahead and play those, and I'm going to tell you exactly what this has to do with that.
Go ahead.
Your husband's administration, everything, the election was all about hope.
Do you think that this administration achieved that?
Yes.
I do.
Because we feel the difference now.
Yeah.
See, now we're feeling what not having hope feels like.
You know.
Hope is necessary.
It's it's a necessary concept.
And Barack didn't just talk about hope because he thought it was just a nice slogan to get votes.
I mean, he and I and so many believe that if you what else do you have if you don't have hope?
Yeah.
I'll tell you what else you have.
First off, you can't hope in Barack Obama.
You can't listen, I'm a big Trump supporter, been a Trump supporter the whole time.
But you can't hope, pin all your hope on President elect Trump.
You just can't.
Here's where you pin your hope.
And I and I think this is where Mr. Trump is pinning his hope.
It's called the Constitution.
One thing about this country is that it doesn't matter who comes and goes.
Our Constitution always stays.
As the if the Constitution is threatened, then hope is threatened.
The people who should be worried about hope over these past eight years are the American people that love opportunity, that love freedom, that love the chance to be the best and sometimes mess up and be their worst.
That is what hope is all about, and that is guaranteed in the Constitution.
Look, folks, I I had a big argument with somebody one day, not really a big argument, more of a a heavy debate on Facebook, because this guy wanted to chime in.
He's got dark skin, otherwise known as a black person, which I don't like to use these terms.
I mean, talk about the stupidest way to judge some people some somebody.
How much light reflects off your skin.
Let's see if does that determine anything about somebody's ability to work?
No.
And it's stupid.
Racism is ridiculous.
Cultures that base their worth on their the color of their skin, they're ridiculous.
And so we can go all the way back, and this was my discussion with the guy, all the way back to slavery.
I I did a toast on my Facebook live show to the founding fathers.
Because of what they've done.
They actually gave us the Electoral College, which despite what the left w left wing ultra communist liberals think, did exactly what it was supposed to do, which is give power to the rural areas in this country and even it out with the big cities where the majority of people and liberals live.
Now, what I told this guy was that he was he said he couldn't toast to the founding fathers because they were racist, because they allowed slavery.
And this is the thing.
The founding fathers and the way things were back then, maybe it wasn't right the way that people were looked at as different um percentages of a human being.
Absolutely that wasn't right.
But that's the way it was at that point in time.
You can go back 500 years, a thousand years, ten thousand years.
Every race has been and every people have been enslaved at some point in time.
The point that's different here is that our founding fathers were smart enough because they were fleeing from tyranny to realize they needed to build a constitution that didn't have to live and breathe, but gave the people the ability to live and breathe.
And that's what happened.
The Constitution stayed the same.
There's amendments here and amendments there to change the wording, yes.
But overall, if that constitution had not been written the way it was, slavery would never have been abolished.
And so therefore what I look at is the people like those individuals that were enslaved in the beginnings of this country, they give me hope because Americans have the ability to make it through hard times, and we have this piece of paper, this constitution that gives us the ability to grow.
That is where you will find hope.
Let's play what uh Mr. Trump's uh response was to that.
We face many, many challenges.
The world is a mess.
Our country is in trouble.
We face many, many challenges.
Michelle Obama said yesterday that there's no hope.
But I assume she was talking about the past, not the future, because I'm telling you.
We have tremendous hope.
And we have tremendous promise and tremendous potential.
We are going to be so successful as a country again.
We are going to be amazing.
Well, that's right.
And you know what is interesting about what he says.
All positive.
All positive, nothing negative.
I mean, if first off, if you really want to judge somebody and their ability to lead, they've you have to start out.
If you have somebody that walks in and screams and yells, unless they're a drill instructor.
I call that failed leadership.
You have to have people that can come in with positive outlooks on everything, and then somebody who is not afraid to say you fired with that accent, which I'm sure he will.
Now here's the thing.
As I close up these uh these opening remarks here in this opening rant.
I wrote a uh a paper that was uh an article that was uh printed in the opinion uh section of the the Daily Caller, and it talked about statistics and how they are the Achilles Hill for people who want to argue against the electoral call electoral college.
I mean, they they bring up all these statistics, things like um things like uh unemployment rate and these types of things.
Unemployment rate is a perfect example of why you can't trust statistics because it does not tell you how many people are getting jobs, it tells you how many people are on subsistence, and when that subsistence runs out, they get off of it.
Well, the percentage just went up because 10,000 people just got off of unemployment.
It doesn't mean that they got a job.
It's a fake statistic.
But who likes to use those more than anybody?
I'm gonna talk to the liberals for just a second.
You cannot hope in statistics.
You can't hope in negativity.
You can't pin your argument in hatred.
If you are not willing to show up with facts and say Donald Trump is uh a terrible leader, he doesn't have any experience leading.
If that's not your argument, then you have no argument because he has proof that he is a good leader.
He can fail and he can come back and succeed.
That's a great leader.
Throwing numbers out there is not a proper argument.
Now we look at what happened with Ivanka Trump when she gets on an airplane, and you have uh uh two gay guys that approach her and pretty much berate her uh like crazy because they were her and her husband and their kids were flying flying coach on jet blue, and they completely disrupted the entire plane.
Ridiculous.
Nothing's gonna come out of that.
And one of the things they kept yelling was that she has ruined or her father has ruined America.
He hasn't even taken office.
And quite frankly, he's brought more unity to this country than Barack Obama did in eight years of destroying unity.
The Islamic guy that got kicked off the plane, I'm not even gonna mention his name.
Uh, but he says it was because of a bunch of people saying racist stuff to him.
Listen, I was an air marshal.
If you're a loudmouth and you're making a scene, there's a chance you're gonna get kicked off the plane.
I don't care what language you're talking.
But here's the other thing.
I hate to clue this guy in, but we get attacked all the time by Islamic fundamentalist.
And when somebody's on a plane and they're speaking another language and they're acting odd, which on a plane, if you're at if you're talking loud and obnoxious, that's odd behavior.
It's called a social norm.
You won't get on an elevator and turn around at everybody and start talking in Arabic really loud and looking at everybody in the face.
If you do that, people are going to freak.
You have to be conscious of other people in this country.
So we have the gay movement.
We have the people that this is fake Islamophobia accusations movement.
You got the MTV thing.
Let's play just a snippet of that because I know we don't have a lot of time.
Hey, fellow white guys.
It's about to be a new year.
And there's a few things we think you could do a little bit better in 2017.
First off, try to recognize that America was never great for anyone who wasn't a white guy.
Can we all just agree that black lives matter isn't the opposite of all lives matter?
Black lives just matter.
There's no need to overcomplicate it.
Also, blue lives matter isn't a thing.
Cops won't born with blue skin.
Right?
I mean, we don't have to hurt anybody else, their ears with the rest of that.
Here's the thing about cops.
Cops were born with a heart.
Our founding fathers are born with a heart, with a conscience.
These people, these young people, first of all, they don't know a thing.
Who are they to be telling anybody anything?
Well, we're going to discuss this more when we come back in just a minute with one of them.
I'm I'm unbelievable blown away.
I get to interview Newt Gingrich.
And we're going to spin this, and I'm going to show you why these sheep are so quick to follow the liberal left and the communist ideology that they spin.
That's right.
We're going to talk about communism in this country.
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I just want to tell you to tune back in.
We're going to go to another commercial break.
We're going to come back and have Newt Gingrich on here.
And we're going to talk about communism and the liberal left.
And I know I keep wanting to tally get people to focus on this, is that it's real and it's here.
And you have to realize that.
You have to realize...
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This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
Yes, that's right, it's Sean's.
It's his show, but I am filling in today.
And in just a minute, we're gonna have Newt Gingrich come on and talk about I don't want to talk about the reality of communism.
And I'm just I'm ecstatic that I get to talk to uh Newt Gingrich because I've never got to talk to him before.
Um, and I got some interest.
We've we've had some parallels in our lives, uh, nowhere close to his success, but on my own level.
But here's the thing, I want to kind of lead up to this, and that's the fact that people are so amazed.
I'm probably one of the only people that you're gonna see on uh on television or on the radio, listen to on the radio, that's talking about communism.
People think that because the cold war died that communism died with it, but the reality is they can call it whatever they want.
They can call it socialism, democratic socialism, uh, they can call it liberalism, whatever they want.
The reality is the hardline left uh was schooled under Marxists like Saul Alinsky, and they take a lot of their playbook strict directly from, which Solinsky did himself, from Hitler's Mein Kampf.
Primarily the big lie, where they tell a big lie.
Now just think about this, folks.
They do this over and over.
They tell a big lie, and then they repeat it and they repeat it until the majority of people have seen it on television and they just think it's the truth.
This electoral college attack is a perfect example of that.
I think one of the biggest bullies in the Democratic Party right now is Christine Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's daughter.
She hails from the womb of one of the worst politicians we've ever had.
And her herself, she's probably one of the nastiest bullies I've seen on television, and she's one of these people that is consistently spreading this big lie, telling it over and over again, typical playbook, straight from Mind Kampf, and she tells it over and over again and tries to get the American people to believe it.
And there's so many sheep on the left that will just go wherever the sheep herder tells them to go that they don't even realize they're not being led by a sheep herder, they're being led by wolves.
That's that's the whole truth.
I mean, that that is the reality of what's going on on the left.
That's why when you start to sit back and think about this, why are political appointees so important for some of these presidential administrators that are not subject matter experts?
That's because they can lead them and get them to do.
They're their puppets.
They can get them to do and say whatever they want.
So this is a facts, folks.
This is the facts.
the liberal left is basically not been infiltrated by as I thought originally.
They are the remnants of the Communist Party and I'm talking about the people on the top on the left.
do we have Newt is Newt on?
Can we can we put him on?
So joining me now is a former Speaker of the House and the author of the novel Treason and the new ebook, Electing Trump, Newt Gingrich.
Sir, I just cannot tell you how much of an honor it is to actually get to talk to you.
I think um I was uh I was on the floor, I wasn't on the floor, I was up in the rafters.
Uh the night when you all stayed in Congress and um and had the contract with America, uh, I was a senior in college and we got to work a day in the DNC and a day in the RNC, and then I got to spend a week in the White House answering telephones.
And so it was an honor to see you there, and then watch through all these years of you stay relevant, not because like Barack Obama, who has to come out and say things are Michelle Obama where they're sh reaching for uh to stay relevant.
You stayed relevant because you're a scholar and because you're a patriot, and because you're you're somebody who people seek out.
So it's an honor.
Well, I'm delighted to be I don't know if it's an honor or not, but I'm delighted to have a chance to talk with you and to uh uh really try to you know to think about all the different things going on.
This is one of the most um extraordinary periods we've ever seen, and I think it's gonna remain extraordinary.
I think uh Donald Trump is proving that he is as dynamic and as uh aggressive um that uh we have to realize this is gonna be a very, very different experience than Washington is used to.
Well, this is what I wanted to ask you about.
I want to focus on this a little bit, because I think you're probably one of the more experienced people that can shed light on this.
The Cold War disappeared, but the communists never actually truly went away.
And Sol Olinski was a a big influence in Hillary Clinton's life, Barack Obama was also influenced by him.
He was a Marxist.
I guess the question is, did you see uh hints of this communist mentality in the Democratic Party when you were Speaker of the House and how has this progressed?
Because what I'm what I'm thinking is it's just gonna get worse.
All these tactics that they use, these are traditional tactics like the big Y, it's gonna get worse and worse, and it's gonna be the biggest hindrance to Trump's presidency.
Well, okay, I think we have to recognize, I tell people that uh Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Empire and defeated communism and the Soviet Empire, but in the process, um, he uh we lost to communism at Stanford.
And I think you have to recognize that all of this socialist effort, if you if you look at uh all the people who came out for Bernie Sanders, it was it was really the result uh of years and years and years of left-wing efforts to uh take control of the commanding heights of the news media, the entertainment world, and the academic world, uh, and they've been remarkably successful.
So while we've done very well with the general public, we do very well with the business community, uh, we do very well with uh military people who face the reality of life and death and the reality of real enemies.
Uh we have steadily lost ground in Hollywood and uh in the news media and uh in the academic world, and I think in that sense, uh we're in a very long, very, very tough struggle that we should we should be aware of.
You know, I'm uh that this is gonna be a real fight.
And uh, and I think we've seen uh just a lead up to it since he has uh been elected.
I mean, it's already starting to to ramp up.
The only thing I think that we have going for us, and having been an FBI agent, I know how these criminals work, is that one once they get uh comfortable in the area in which they uh work, they start to give away a lot of the uh the signs and the and the signals for the uh and the the techniques and tactics that they use.
And I think over this past year, the American people got much smarter as to what their tactics, techniques, and procedures are um to the point where now we just see it when it's on television.
Well, but remember you it's it's really an evenly divided country.
I mean we we have we have gained some ground uh but at the same time we have to recognize and this is going to be the great challenge of the Trump administration.
Can he turn a temporary victory against a really bad opponent into the foundation from which or the springboard from which to build a movement which really, truly changes things?
And, you know, I wrote a very small book that we just put up called Electing Trump, in which I had my writing over the last two years about the emergence of the anti-Washington candidates and then the emergence of Trump.
among that group and then the total failure of the news media to understand it.
But if but if you look at for example the New York Times story this morning about Trump on foreign policy, it's just methodically systematically dishonest.
I mean, it's just like reading Pravda.
You get this totally phony report with totally phony language, and yet that's, in the New York Times, remains, despite everything, one of the most important guides to the rest of the news media in setting the tone.
And this is a real problem.
And my greatest concern for President-elect Trump and his team is that they will forget that these people are their mortal opponents and will do anything they can to beat them, and they'll start trying to figure out how to accommodate them.
them and that's the beginning of the end because we we cannot accommodate the left and have any hope of turning a com turning America around.
It's the same thing with Putin is he's a trained KGB officer and and although he may be nice to certain people you always get to watch them because uh and it's the same thing with the Democratic Party.
They are they will take uh Trump out in a heartbeat and not think twice about it.
Well it's part of why Reagan said trust but verify.
Exactly uh you know the the the I'm perfectly happy to talk with Putin but I never forget for a second what his background is.
Uh and I I talk to New York Times reporters all the time, but I know who they work for and I know uh the how really difficult it is uh to communicate past them.
But in a free society you have to find ways this is this is where Reagan was really good because he knew if he was repetitive long enough it got through despite the news media Trump has used the social media brilliantly to achieve the same goal.
And when he tweets or when he sends stuff out on Facebook, he's cutting right past the elite media and which of course is why they hate it when he does it because they know that he is undermining all of their uh clout which is based on on their ability to control what people learn and he's reaching the American people despite the elite media you know sir I I think uh speaking of the media one thing that they should absolutely do is now this is my own personal opinion.
I'm a little aggressive is get rid of the the press room I think that that should be handed over to the Secret Service.
They have no walker room, no no place in the White House to uh to get dressed or take a break I I I'd go halfway with you.
I think they should have a communications briefing center.
Um I think it ought to have uh all that among other things for Facebook.
I think they ought to accept questions from around the country.
Um there are I think there are five hundred and some members of the White House press corps so they could routinely could be a different set of rotating people so sometimes the New York Times would be in the room and sometimes it wouldn't be in the room.
Right now they have about twenty five people who are privileged uh who are supposed to be the press uh and that you know why why would you if if you were a change agent uh like President elect Trump, why would you make the New York Times and the Washington Post and CBS News the the front row of your briefing the these people have been in every way conceivable uh the mortal opponents of Trumpism.
Uh they are to this day they continue to be uh dishonest and inaccurate and inflammatory and uh why would you reward them by putting them on the front row?
I I would literally rotate them so that uh they would get their share out of the five hundred and fifty seats which means that they would be rotated out of the room for probably seven uh out of every eight briefings I'd also have two or three questions from the country you could take questions from local news stations around the country You could take questions from citizens.
I mean, if you combined Facebook and Google and Twitter, uh, you could literally have a a citizen's interaction directly with the President of the United States in a way that would uh really dramatically open up the system.
Well, and if they did that, you would have clarity uh versus when the media does uh interviews, it's always from a bias standpoint.
That's why, like I was gonna say, I I would just have them sit outside the fence and have Spicer come down there and talk to him through the fence like it was a civilian.
I mean, because we can't.
I think you're a step more radical than I am.
I say that with some respect.
So let me ask you this one, uh we got a few more minutes here.
Um why do, and did you see this when you were in office?
Why does the left hate America so bad?
And do they actually hate the Constitution because it seems like they they want to change it any chance they get.
Well, look, th there's there's a a deep stream of left-wing literary and intellectual thought.
Uh going all the way back to the progressive period and the turn of the of the nineteenth century to the twentieth century, of people who critiqued America, who undermined America.
There's a whole school that that tries to debunk George Washington, and yet any sure and Clist and I have done a movie um called The First American about George Washington.
I've written three novels about him.
Um to know George Washington is to realize that that here was a giant.
Here was a man who in every way was extraordinary.
Uh and yet on the left there's this desperate effort to debunk him, uh, because they have to shrink him in order to shrink America.
And the left has had a long tradition, some of it being European socialists and European communists who who fled the Nazis and came to the US in the twenties and thirties, and there's this deep infusion of people who are anti-capitalist and anti-nationalist uh and and who never quite acquired uh the the romantic heart of the American experience.
And and so they really focused on taking over the educational establishment, and then ultimately over time taking over Hollywood and the news media.
And they represent the th those are the few folks who, if you say, you know, I'm proud to be an American, they go, Oh my gosh, you're one of those nationalists.
If you say, I'm for America first, they go, Oh my gosh, you must be an isolationist.
And the question you have to ask them is so who are you gonna put first?
You're gonna put the UN first?
I mean, it's a collection of kleptocratic dictatorships and irresponsible bureaucrats.
Uh, you're gonna put some accord in Paris first.
You're gonna put you know, diplomats and lawyers sitting in five star hotels at at gourmet restaurants uh striking fancy deals first.
Uh and of course what Trump resonated with was he communicated with the American people.
I care about you.
They don't care about everybody in the the in small town America where Trump beat Hillary by huge margins, and where people turned out to vote who had never before voted.
Uh they had this sense that nobody cared about them.
Right.
Their town was decaying, they had no hope, they had no future, and along comes Donald J. Trump, and they suddenly say, you know, let's give it one more try.
And that's really what this was about.
Gotta go, sir.
Thank you very much.
It was an honor talking to you, and you're absolutely right.
Donald Trump is gonna keep hope alive, that's for absolute sure.
Listen, join us, we're gonna come right back.
This is Jonathan Gillman filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
And uh we are going to bring on just a second.
I just want to say there's some breaking news that they are giving away uh PhD doctoral uh diplomas.
If you go and see the play Hamilton, you automatically become an expert.
So uh I just heard that on the street somewhere in New York.
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This is uh Bill Benny, former technical director of the NSA World Geopolitical and Military Analysis and Reporting Group.
Man, that is a title.
That that's a title that is spells smart, Bill.
And then uh Kurt Weebe, former senior analyst uh for the NSA.
Both are considered whistleblowers, which you know, in my book, especially in the past eight years, tells me that you guys are gutsy individuals that probably saw the reality and couldn't stand it anymore.
So guys, but it's a pleasure to have you both.
I love talking to to fellow operators and people that are intel uh um opera to intel officers and people that understand uh the reality of what's going on.
I know Bill, you and I talked last week, and that's why I wanted to have you back on because I wanted to expand on some of this stuff, and I talked to Newt Gingrich earlier, and my opening statements are all about communism and the reality of how the people on the far left uh ha are really using communist type tactics, the big lie to make things big.
They use a Hegelian dialect to uh go and either find or create a uh a problem so they can manufacture a reaction and then offer a solution that doesn't do anybody any good except for whatever movement that they have.
So I guess the question for you guys is we talked about last week uh on here about the Russian uh hacking of our system and affecting the election process.
You know, I I I look at a lot of this as uh when you don't secure your computers, when you put them in your your bathroom, your servers in your bathroom, and you do classified uh stuff on there, or when you have a DNC that doesn't listen to the FBI when they call and tell you that you're a target, you could probably be a target.
When how do you guys feel about that?
Well, I think that's absolutely right.
I mean uh it's also true that everybody every country in the world hacks every other country.
I mean, we do it like for example that Chancellor Merkel and every other leader in the world as well, but it's not uh it's not limited to us.
Everybody's doing it to to everybody else is they're trying to gather information and intelligence on everybody in the world as best they can do, and it's uh it's according to their resources and capabilities as to how much they they can really achieve.
Yeah, and I think a perfect example of that is the fact that Barack Obama's administration had uh operatives on the ground in Israel during during that election.
Trying to fix it.
Well, and and you know, Israel's spying on us too.
I mean, we we've caught some of them doing that too.
So how much of this, I mean, honestly, and I know you guys have been asked this question a million times, but just tell the American people just straight out what what is the reality of the Russians' involvement here and how much effect did they actually have on um inciting the people in the United States to vote for Donald Trump.
Well, Jonathan, let me let me say this.
I I'd like your audience to pause and think for a moment.
Who had more effect over the United States election?
The mass media, the big media, the NBCs, CNNs, ABCs, MSNBC, you name it, or the Russians.
And I will guarantee you most people will tell you the US media.
Yeah, it's a good point you bring up there because I've been saying since the DNC was hacked, this is before the WikiLeaks and uh the stuff about the server, but I think the server stuff had already come out, but I kept saying, I think the DNC hacked themselves through third party um operators over in Russia to make it look like they were hacked by Russia so that they could play the victim card.
Now that's my theory on it, and it plays right into what you're saying there.
Absolutely right.
And I I'm looking at right now uh Congressman Adam Schiff uh from California on CNN.
He's really well at home on on CNN because all that comes out of his mouth are lies.
And it's this is a guy who spins this propaganda big time.
Well, I think it's uh it's all just how to manufacture an issue to divert from the from the basic truths that are trying to be, you know, uh spread around by I think WikiLeaks is giving us the truth and everybody else is lying about it.
Do you um do you think that uh there's there's people that say Snowden had something to do with this, that he was instrumental in this.
How do people I guess the the question I have for you is how do people educate themselves?
They're not gonna go work for the NSA like you guys did.
How do they educate themselves and find fact from fiction when it comes to dealing with the mainstream media and cyber issues?
Well, you i i it's a different world today for sure than it was, say, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, uh, Jonathan, in terms of where one gets one's information.
It is uh ten times more difficult to get information you can rely on today than it was back in the day.
Um we have journalists who have become propagandists.
Uh today's mainstream media is every bit as biased as Pravda was during the uh Soviet Union.
And a lot of people may not know, but the word Pravda in Russian means truth.
I am a Russian linguist, have a master's degree in it.
And that was my specialty at NSA before I got involved in digital communications and uh how the internet works.
But uh the point of it is um when you spread a rumor wide enough and repeat it multiple times, people begin to believe in it.
There's a concerted effort to do that to the American people, to the to the European people, uh, throughout Western civilization, and we've definitely got to be prepared and have news outlets that we can rely on.
It's very difficult to do today.
There's no simple answer, but they are not the mainstream media.
Now that's where I think I was just talking about my Facebook live show.
Uh I think that's where uh Facebook Live is going to pay off.
And what's interesting though about this whole fake news issue that's coming out lately is that the mainstream media, um, just like the WikiLeaks thing, they talk about fake news uh more than uh than anything else, like it's the other people that are doing fake news when in fact they're the ones doing more fake news than anybody.
Um that's uh Go ahead pretty much true.
I mean, you could look at uh Clapper when he testified to or Alexander when they testified at Congress, uh chances are that if they're open their mouth and say anything, either eighty percent of it is either an outright lie or a man uh distortion of the truth.
So they're they're basically trying to keep everybody uninformed or misinformed so they can actually manipulate them any way they want.
And that's pretty much true of this government.
That's basically what they've been and the intelligence community's been doing all along.
So let me ask you guys this.
What and I think we touched on this last week, but it's become more apparent now to me that the CIA and the NSA, when they say that they got together and released a a report which we still have not seen, they're really talking about the political appointees.
They're not talking about the uh operations officers or the analysts.
It seems to me as though the information uh that gets reported in the news as being released is really a controlled press release, which is done by these higher-ups.
Yeah, I think you could take an example in the past like weapons of mass destruction is a slam dunk.
They all agreed to that too.
Exact exactly.
Um did you when you were when you guys were in the fields that you were in, I know I'm I'm reading uh the background you guys, um, and you talk about evaluating information.
What is more important to these executives at the top?
Is it actually doing things like coming up with new systems to evaluate information so America's safer?
Or is it just appeasing the politicians and in this case the Democratic Party?
Yeah, it's definitely not doing the mission.
Years ago it was the mission at the top of the priority list, now it's one's career, um, one's financial welfare in the future.
Um Eisenhower's military industrial complex, which I really thought was an argument from the left side of the political uh spectrum forty years ago, is really here.
It's here in spades.
If Eisenhower saw what was going on in Washington, DC with big contracts and industry, feathering of nests, the rotation between the DOD and people becoming vice presidents in major corporations, beltway bandits we call them, um he would um f uh flip over in his grave.
He he really would because it's here in its full effect.
And what that means is we destroy our form of democracy because everything becomes about one's financial welfare instead of the welfare of the government, the United States people, our soldiers it all becomes secondary.
And I know Jonathan you're aware of the faux pas over armored Humvees and and what happened in the DOD when uh trouble in the Middle East began years ago.
Um but the these this kind of corruption goes right to our belly and and and this when when Trump says he needs to drain the swamp boy does he but that swamp's a hundred and feet deep and he's gonna need all kinds of soldiers,
people who are dedicated, mission oriented and honest, and who know something about acquisition enough to control it so that people end up making decisions based on cost benefit analyses and the facts rather than lucrative contracts that pay back huge sums to people who want to get rich.
Well, you know, I was told a long time ago, I'm not going to, I think I did give this information out, part of it on Facebook Live, but I know somebody who knew Colin Powell.
And Colin Powell was about to retire, and they asked him if he had a career lined up when he gets out.
And he laughed and told them, pretty much in confidence, that, well, actually it's a known system, just what you're talking about, where they will go out.
while they're in office, they scratch people.
people's backs.
Now they're not told to do that because that'd be committing a crime.
But they know they know how because the system is in place that they can do certain things, get certain contracts with people, uh allow certain bids to go here or there and when they get out they'll get a book deal they get put on the board of several several companies where they only have to be there once a year and they make a hundred grand or more at these uh different um boards uh they uh they will get appointed to something in a cabinet and then they go on a speaking tour and they become multi-millionaires.
Now they're basically getting paid back for scratching the backs while they were in and uh and that's basically if you trace back all these individuals that were at the highest levels and you look at what happened to them when they got out that's what happened.
Exactly right.
Well and that's why we refer to uh DC as the district of corruption and it's it's it's fundamentally a corrupt process the entire thing and nobody's holding them accountable for any of it.
No and it's scary for men and women like us that um have sworn an oath to s to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic here's the part that's left out of that people don't realize it's not the DOD that determines who we're gonna fight and when we're gonna fight him.
That's politicians most of who have never served and for they usually pick the the enemy for reasons that nobody fully understands.
Well the the scariest part about that is the domestic enemy and the domestic enemy is who we're talking about.
And they're the ones who tell us who to fight.
So they're never going to tell us that we need to to fight them never so never going to get it's never going to get fixed.
That's a challenge that's saying Trump can do it.
Yeah well listen as I said earlier he's gonna have to get rid of the people that are are underneath the the political appointees the people that are always there the people that uh that just don't have been there president after president like the DOJ is eaten up with this.
Yeah he just needs to remember his famous or his uh his famous quote from his uh T V show you're fired.
Yeah exactly that's he has to remember that.
Okay we got about a minute most of the people are really going to try to manipulate him.
I mean the intelligence community is going to come in right when he moves in there.
I'm you know it's not a it's not a bad idea that he's only taken one brief a week.
I mean, a lot of it is for manipulating the president.
That's what these intelligence agencies do.
Right, right.
We got about listen, we got about thirty seconds left.
I just want to ask you guys something.
We have all these databases, and we put people on databases and we forget about them.
Could it would it work if when somebody like the Sarnaf brothers who were contacted by another country and they say these people are dangerous, shouldn't we be putting them on a separate database?
Absolutely.
Well, I mean, they certainly should be higher priority for monitoring and and following and watching.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the whole idea of targeting.
I mean, everybody that's committed a terrorist attack around the world has always been known beforehand.
They just didn't follow them closely enough.
Yeah.
Listen, I'm gonna have you guys back next time I'm on, and uh, we can't thank you all enough for your service.
God bless you, have a merry Christmas, and uh I salute both of you.
Thank you very much.
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Let me just say this real quick before we uh bring in my next guest.
I I'm a uh a guest host, a fill-in host for Sirius X and Patriot Channel 125.
So I host for Andrew Wilkow, David Webb, and then I come over here and host for Sean Hannity from time to time.
And it is not uncommon for me to call somebody um either Andrew Webb or David uh Hannity, and which I just about was to call uh when we were gonna go to break there.
Well, just for clarity, Jonathan, this is the Sean Hannity, the Sean Hannity Radio Show, and you're hosting the Sean Hannity radio show.
And we're in New York, right?
Here in New York on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
So I thought I'd gotten past, I thought I almost said uh David, and I thought I'd gotten past it.
And when we went to break, I checked my phone and I had literally five people write me and say, No, David.
So sorry, David.
I'm hosting Sean's show.
But now you know, David Webb's show.
I actually I'll be hosting his show next uh on the twenty-seventh and the twenty-eighth.
I think that's next Thursday and Friday, I think.
No, next Wednesday and Thursday, that's it.
All right, so let's bring in my next guest.
We're gonna go right along.
The whole concept of today's show is basically talking about the reality of the left and the dirty word that nobody wants to say, which is communism.
Now, there's a new communism now, uh, not like it was back in the old days where they tried to force people into nationalism.
Now it's hatred of the nation, hatred of the Constitution.
You don't just see it here.
You see it in Canada.
You see it in Great Britain and France and Spain and Australia, where people try, and definitely in Germany, where they try to create a problem, just like the Black Lives Matter group here, they find a problem, they latch on to it, they try to to make it bigger and cause a reaction so they can offer their solution, and their solution is always break down authority, get rid of guns, tear down the the the border walls, don't fix immigration.
They're wanting to create a large worldwide European Union.
The same thing that they have over there.
And you see how it doesn't work over there, but the young people of this of this world, they just don't get it yet.
And I hope that we don't have to go to that point where the pendulum swings too far to the left before it comes back.
But coming on with me now is Scott Eulinger.
He's retired CIA operations officer and naval reserve officer officer and an expert in Russian intel operations.
And I was on with Scott the other day on Newsmax, and uh Scott, our interview kind of got blown up because I said this exact thing that um that the liberal left is using uh the old big lie which Hitler talked about in Mein Kampf and Solinski talked about in his book.
Yeah, exactly.
You're right.
I mean it's it's um you're right, John, and it's uh good to be back.
Thanks for inviting me.
The um and it's I guess what's what's kind of amazing, sort of discomforting to me, sort of is is it's interesting to have people like you or I, and also the gentleman you spoke to, because I was just listening to them.
I mean, people of fairly different backgrounds, their only thing in common is that they were all serving their country.
But what I'm saying is everyone seems to be saying pretty much the same thing, and I'm gonna join that group of people in saying a lot of the same things.
Um we all tend to have we t all tend to believe the same things, and that's sort of discomforting that people have dedicated their lives to serving their country, you know, voice these concerns constantly, you know.
Yeah.
And just so the people know out there, um, and you're you know, I was never in the CIA.
I was in the FBI and in the SEAL teams and uh and an air marshal.
I know how the government works, and you know a whole different s way and area in which the government works.
And I doesn't work, right, exactly.
Or doesn't work.
But uh but I find it very interesting how the CIA is constantly used for for domestic affairs, domestic political affairs, how the CIA is always is constantly brought into this when their job has nothing to do with domestic affairs.
It's it's outside I mean, of course they're collecting intel, but overall their job is to go outside of the United States and and work those cases.
Right, exactly.
I mean, there was always the way um you know they cracked down on the CIA quite a lot in their in the early 70s with the uh church commission to make sure that the CIA was just you know targeting folks overseas, but the problem is I guess as we get increasingly politicized uh administrations, they try to use the um CIA as a way of maybe getting across a certain agenda or you know it misusing the CIA,
and unfortunately, you have um you know appointed political leadership in the CIA, like you have in the FBI or any when you have an administration, plus you're gonna have a lot of people who latch professional officers who latch onto them for careerist purposes, and they're gonna con they they're gonna parrot the administration, and then you get all of these abuses of the intelligence system, which can lead to all kinds of problems.
And how far down do you think, and I keep talking about this with each guest, how far down in the ranks do you have to go before you get to the to where the you're not dealing with swamp water, that mud in the swamp anymore, where you start dealing with operations officers and people who just want to do the job.
How far down in the CIA do you have to go to get there?
I think that you'd probably go if you I think if you went down to the the the most senior, like quote, working level, if you want, like basically let's say the head of the different mission areas, like the head of um basically the counterterrorism center or the head of the Iranian section, like the at that level you're gonna deal with the people who are who are um dealing with the nuts and bolts of operations and all, and and um and I guess their equivalents on the analytical side of the CIA, because that's the side I you know I know about, but I was not working in.
But anywhere above that, you start getting the people who basically were maybe elevated to their position because of their political affiliation because they were too much of a uh they maybe were a kiss up.
And of course, there's always some genuine performers in there, but you get people who become creatures of that administration.
And so, as you've been saying on the show, it's paramount that um that uh President elect Trump that he that he basically he's allowed like about six thousand appointed positions throughout the federal government.
He's gotta replace all six thousand.
If you can appoint six thousand, he needs to appoint six thousand, not five thousand, not four thousand, because the people who remain embedded, in this case would be Obama administration people, they will work to undermine his presidency.
Right.
Yeah, I find it very, very interesting because uh the thing that President Obama ran on, which was hope and change.
Right.
Um, he changed things for the worse and destroyed hope, and there's no unity at all.
People are not willing to get behind a president that has positive things to say and has a an aggressive move towards American exceptionalism to make us great again.
I don't get that.
You're right.
It's amazing.
I mean, like in the early, you know, I'm I'm old enough, um, 52, so I was a teenager when Reagan was elected and I voted for him.
But I'm old enough to remember that, for instance, when when Reagan was debating Carter, he could just ask the simple question, are you better off now than you were four years ago?
And and that was one main reason why he won, because people could honestly look at themselves to say, no, I'm worse under uh in this inflationary environment of Jimmy Carter.
I'm voting for Reagan.
But now you have someone like Trump who thank God won the election, who's constantly going around pointing out the errors that have been made, etc.
and appealing to people's pocketbooks.
But even so, you like in a way you would have expected him to win almost everyone's vote, because certainly Hillary Clinton wasn't offering that.
So we've we our education system, everything has distorted people's views so much that sometimes people can't even seem to detect what their own best interests are anymore.
If you had if if if Mr. Trump was right here, right now, and you could tell him and he said, Scott, what what are the three things, the biggest three things that you think I could uh do to affect change in the CA or what needs to be changed, what needs to be upgraded, what do we need to do to make it work more efficiently, what would you tell them?
I think they they might have to look at the way the CIA is organized or reorganized.
It was reorganized um shortly after I left in 2014.
It was reorganized organized along side more functional lines instead of geography.
And it's always hard to to cut up um to cut it up, you know, divide up and and determine your um you know organizational framework.
But I think that they may have made a mistake by going into like basically running everything like they do counterterrorism.
We're gonna have a um you know, a Russian cell where they integrate analysts with operations officers, and that sounds good on paper, but often doesn't translate very well in theory.
Um that that's certainly one of the main things I I'd say.
And then I'm not sure.
Let me say one thing.
Let me say that some of that, not to mess up your train of thought.
But the same thing happened in the FBI where they instead of taking seasoned criminal investigators and putting them in charge, they took people that are at the higher levels already up there in the SAC, the special agent charge levels, they put them in charge of terrorism when they haven't done a case in forever.
And they put them at the top, and what do they do?
They start changing this whole thing and listening to the wrong people, and then before long, they start taking new agents straight from the academy and putting them in terrorism investigations instead of making them learn the craft of investigating on the criminal side.
And so that that is hampered our ability to investigate because they just don't have the seasoned investigators in there.
They're not taking their their word for what needs to be done.
And there's a lot a lot of the same kinds of mistakes have been made in the CIA.
The um, you know, by c by embedding analysts, for instance, with operations officers, what what I found as an operations officer is suddenly everyone thinks that they're an operations officer.
Because they're they're you know, they're gonna start they're telling you how to, you know, um how to do your job, even though they have no operational experience.
I'm sure you're familiar with that.
And these are these are real problems.
I think, but and like the FBI and the CIA, I think, you know, if you have a president who is actually concerned with, you know, really truly defending the nation, I think in it may take A while, but but hopefully that will embolden the you know the um the real performers in in any given agency to know that you know management is pulling for us and we need to do our job because you know the morale in in all of these agencies now is is poor because the people certainly the performers sense that the leadership doesn't
have their back.
I mean, there have been abuses like um in Special Operations Command, they had almost a mutiny of 40 army and uh military analysts who were being told to doctor their ISIS reports because they weren't saying that ISIS was on the run.
They were reporting what they thought was the truth, and it was being kicked back from upper leadership.
No, you need to change this Intel analysis.
And that's now that's crazy.
And that that'll destroy a country's intelligence capability.
That is exactly what happens when we put these people that we're talking about in a position of authority.
It's really it's really I don't think most people realize the way the federal government is set up in that, and I say this all the time.
My buddy he was a cop in New Jersey said that you could take two crack addicts that have never been to a city before, you can take them and put them on introduce one in the city on on the uh the north and one in the south, and within two weeks they will find the same people and probably meet at some point.
And that's what happens in the Bureau and the CIA and definitely in the VA system is crack addicts get at the top and they introduce other people that think the same way as they do incompetently.
Right.
Yeah, and and you see, and and you start seeing things like look at the Secret Service.
They've been battered by scandals now for the past several years.
And and as you you know, start um placing in leadership positions in these different uh organizations, political appointees, political hacks, then the quality of that agency goes down and morale goes down amongst the performing officers in that organization.
So you know, now you have the Secret Services, you know, uh constantly um uh making errors that you know just everyone, every American is scratching their head wondering what what's gonna happen next.
And and all of our agencies and bureaus are subject to the same kind of thing.
Now with Mr. Trump in control, I think it's gonna be changing for the better.
Yeah, let me ask you this.
Do you think, honestly, because you're an expert on Russia, do you think Russia is a bigger threat to the United States and our own politicians and to our national security?
It's funny.
That's um that's a good that's a good question.
That's an honest question.
Honest question.
I mean, uh what was it?
Lincoln always said that um our greatest enemy was going to be ourselves.
And so we certainly are I'm uh I I've been chasing Russians my whole life, and and you need to very very much keep an eye on them.
However, certainly things our own people have done in our own government to the United States are are at least as grievous as anything Russia has done.
That's and that's that's a sad commentary.
But like for instance, someone like Putin, a really smart operator, a former operations officer, is gonna, you know, he's with the Russians are always working to, let's say, uh create uh they want Americans and Europeans, Western Europeans, to be disillusioned in their you know, in their given institutions.
And I like to say, well, you know, the Russians want us to do that.
Well, we're doing a very good job of that ourselves.
Our press is cre i is causing us to become disillusioned with our press and all.
And people like Putin exploit these, exploit this, you know, the rise of right-wing parties in um in Europe, basically a response to this immigration debacle they have.
Yeah, he's he's a trained KGB officer.
People forget that.
Right.
Put Putin is funding them and giving them support.
And who's to say, I mean, if I was a French if I was a Frenchman who felt that my country was ignoring my own security needs, and I uh uh affiliate with uh Marine Le Pen or something, and I find out that the Russians are helping to bankroll her, maybe I don't care because I'm a Frenchman with three children, and I can't get a gun li gun permit, and I'm worried about my kids being killed in the streets.
So I don't care where that money's coming from.
I'm joining that party.
And people like Putin exploit this.
Scott, we got a break right there.
Thanks for coming on.
God bless you, have a Merry Christmas.
But real quick, 10 seconds.
Do you have anything that you want to plug at all?
Any how people can find it?
Um yeah, thanks for that.
Um I just started up a podcast called The Station Chief, where I discussed some issues like this.
The thing that makes it a little different, though, John, is that my host is actually more of a liberal, so it makes for a little bit more.
But how do they find it?
How do they find it?
Um they can find it on iTunes.
Okay.
And it's under the station chief.
That's my last position overseas.
You got it, buddy.
God bless you.
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We need to bypass the mainstream media, unless one of them ever decides to give me a show, uh, then we'll transfer over there and I'll give you guys the voice there.
But right now we need to concentrate on what we can do.
So we have to keep the dialogue and the unity going strong.
So now, coming up with me now, actually two good friends of mine, uh, Dave Robinson's a former Marine.
He's my hillbilly uh reporter from West Virginia, and uh Laura Munoz, uh, she is a uh Navy veteran.
She was an air traffic controller and a public affair specialist uh in the Navy.
God bless you both, and thanks for being with me.
Two beautiful people, all of us uh veterans, we're all beautiful people.
That's just the way it works.
If you serve, you get better looking.
So, Dave, I wanted to start with you, my friend.
Um we were talking yesterday on the show about West Virginia is going to be opening up to uh allow uh some refugees to come in there, some Middle Eastern refugees.
So tell us a little bit about that and uh the reality of how bad a shape West Virginia is in and how many people aren't getting the benefits that are American citizens that these people are going to be getting.
Well, um a group called the um Episcopal Migration Ministries, they're uh they're a group that's they kind of work under the cover of being a religious group, but they're not.
They're not any kind of uh um nonprofit or no kind of charity.
They're a government contractor, them and about nine other or eight other groups just like them, and about a hundred and thirty subcontractors under them, or that they're government contractors.
They get government contracts to place these refugees in places.
Now that's interesting because they use the word episcopal, making it sound like it's a religious thing.
Yeah, well, about out of those out of those nine groups, there's about six of them that do that.
You know, and they kind of work under that cloak.
But like I say, they're good they're they're government contractors, that's all they are.
They work on government funds.
They just since 2008 have gotten about a hundred and thirty million from the federal government doing this.
Wow.
That is unbelievable.
Now, let's compare and contrast that with the amount of support that uh citizens of West Virginia are getting, especially after these floods.
You say that people are still living in tents there.
We st we still have people here in my hometown here in Green Bar County who just have to flood over the past summer who are still living in tents.
And even in Charleston, West Virginia, you have people up there homeless up there.
There's a place they call Tent City up there, and usually about winter time every year, they're um they go in there and pretty well make them tear this place down, run all these homeless out of there, supposedly, you know, for their own good, so they don't freeze to death, but it's basically so they don't freeze to death out in plain sight.
Right.
So they're moving all they're moving all these people out of this tent city with no plan of where to place all these homeless people, but this group with all this compassion for all these people overseas comes in, you know, bringing bringing in these refugees, which would all sound good, you know.
You would think the only reason they don't help these homeless people is because they don't get federal grants to help these homeless people.
It's a business.
They go in here, they lobby politicians for the change the um to change migration laws, immigration laws for to allow more to come in.
And the more they get, the more they get paid, and all these groups work in the same way.
This is unbelievable because I said the same not not the same thing, but I noticed that with veterans and you know, there's only one percent of the population that serves in the military.
Why we can't afford to give those people health care and give them the benefits that they deserve from serving is beyond me.
Um but it would almost be better if you if you're a veteran to uh renounce your citizenship, go to another country and then come back in as a refugee, you're gonna get everything that you couldn't get after serving, even sometimes in cases as a as a combat veteran.
A hundred this one group, a hundred and thirty million, and they're not even the top earning group that puts this out there.
So, you know, you imagine if they had to put that in there.
I'm not I have nothing against immigrants, but if you're gonna come here, pay your way and come here.
Save your pennies, do what you gotta do.
Come here legally.
Don't don't look on us to, you know, pack your bags, fund you, bring you over here.
Well how about this part of what these groups do is they go over here and they get 'em acclimated everything.
They put 'em in schools, they try to introduce them to the community and they're doing this whole uh gimmick now for the um acquainting everybody with Muslim cultures and everything's in these areas.
Yeah, that worked out real good for Germany.
Listen, well, here's what I here's one thing, and I have to say this before we go to Laura and we talk about her thing is I am sick and tired of these church missionary groups sending people, civilians, into bad areas where they cannot take care of themselves.
I mean, I've had this discussion with people at my mom's church who belong to a missionary group.
May mainly what's happening is these nonprofit missionary groups have a ton of people on the board, they make a ton of money, they send people to place like Honduras, give them big pink or yellow shirts to wear around, so they're targets.
They don't teach 'em security, nothing.
What they should be doing is bringing those people h bringing the Hondurans or the whoever they're training to come here, teach them how to farm, teach them how to dig holes, teach them how to do medicine, and send them back so they can police and uh their own uh land.
But what's happening is the reverse with these refugees where we should be keeping them there.
Yes.
Instead, we're bringing them here.
Yeah, so you go to Honduras and the eyes of the Hondurans, every American is rich.
So I mean you snatch up any of 'em.
You're you know, you have a heck of a bargaining chip there, you know.
It's that we're all wealthy far as they're concerned, and when you dress everybody up like you say, in these big neon green shirts in a group of people who have absolutely no sort of threat assessment knowledge whatsoever.
Yeah.
And they're they're sitting in the ducks, and the people who are reaping in the money from this are not the same ones getting their hands dirty.
Yeah.
All right, let's switch over to from incompetence to stupidity.
And not saying that Laura's stupid, but let's play a clip from Lena Dunham, uh, who is uh sh I think the poster child now for Webster Dictionary of stupid.
Let's go ahead and play this.
I'm a uh abortion rights activist.
It's a huge part of who I am.
But one day, when I was visiting a Planned Parenthood in Texas a few years ago, a young girl walked up to me and asked me if I'd like to be a part of her project in which women share their stories of abortions.
I sort of jumped.
I didn't have an abortion, I told her.
I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women's options, I myself had never had an abortion.
And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue.
Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman's right to choose, felt it was important that people know that I was unblemished in this department.
So many people I love, my mother, my best friends, have had to have abortions for all kinds of reasons.
I feel so proud of them for their bravery for their self-knowledge, and it was a really important moment for me then to realize that I had internalized some of what society was throwing at us, and I had to put it in the garbage.
Now I can say that I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had.
Oh my God.
Alright, hold on.
Hold on, uh before you talk, Laura, because America has to get their breath.
There's like seventeen million people that listen to this show regularly, and I can guarantee you that they're all right now either uh running to BARF in a bag somewhere or they're on the floor, passed out because of what she just said.
I mean, it's so stupid that uh it it you can't defend it really.
Go ahead, Laura.
No, I I'm just shocked.
First of all, I didn't hear the one part earlier when I listened to that she said the bravery of these women who have had abortions.
I know a lot of brave people, but I don't know when you know a mother killing her fetus became brave.
And you're a mother as well.
You have a child.
I I am, and I think I've become more passionate about this issue since becoming a mother.
But my biggest concern is not necessarily with her stupidity, which she is terribly stupid and ignorant.
But when did abortion become a rite of passage for a woman or empower women or it it seems like it's become glamorized almost that abortion is just something that a woman should do and it makes you powerful and smart and educated, and if you aren't supportive of that, then you are regressive and it's not accepted.
I'm just I'm very confused.
Well, there's a lot of unplu uh I'd say less than politically correct things that are running through my brain right now that I'd love to say.
Um but I I look if Lena Dunham really wanted to do something uh to uh do a real report, um she should have followed that girl in and literally watched as she got the abortion from the doctor's view.
And let's see if she had a uh an opinion uh that way.
And one thing I want to say before I let you talk again is I have a friend who she didn't have an abortion, but she was pro choice, and another friend of hers was having uh got pregnant and was wondering what to do with it.
She sat down, she talked to her, she counseled her, said she'd go with her, she went with her, the girl got an abortion, and it caused this girl to have a nervous breakdown, the one that had the abortion.
Those two people never they don't talk at all anymore, and the guilt, the girl that uh she's now pro ch uh pro life that talked the girl into having an abortion, she is it's she's beside herself with this.
It's something she has to live with.
Well, it's I mean, it's a terrible procedure to begin with, and it's obviously going to affect you.
I don't see how it can affect you in a a positive way.
I remember um not too long ago, there was the hashtag shout your abortion movement and you know all these Hollywood celebrities came out 'cause you know, be proud of your abortion, you know, this is a wonderful thing, women's right to choose.
This is we should apply for a job at Planned Parenthood.
Um which is actually I hate to say this, but I'm all I'm kind of torn on Planned Parenthood as a conservative woman.
Well no, I because I didn't know exactly what you go ahead, go ahead.
Okay.
During college my father lost his job and we lost our health insurance and I still had to get yearly exams and I would go to Planned Parenthood because I was uneducated on my other options.
I didn't realize there were other local health clinics around that could help me and provide these services.
And I think a big part of what we need to do is educate people and say, you know, there are other options and other places to go other than abortion clinics that can provide these services.
I just wish our government wouldn't fund these things, and I really do hope that President Trump can defund parent parenthood in the future.
Me too.
One thing that kills me about this is you know, I'm a Christian and I'm uh I believe in the power of the uh the the church and I think that the churches should be more involved with this.
I think that um there should be uh listen, my mom and my stepdad are retired, they work harder now than I think they ever have in their life doing stuff for people and uh they have real significance in the community.
I I'd love to see for churches to offer not I know people always say my church does this, okay, one church here, one church there, but offer a real alternative.
It tr try to offer these women the opportunity to keep the child to uh to help them learn how to build a house and not build a house, but how to take care of their home and cook and take care of a child and and be a part of their lives.
And then the other thing is why don't we set up tax breaks for hospitals for women who don't have insurance but are pregnant.
Well, I wonder the same thing, you know, this topic is close to my heart because my mother and father were told that they couldn't have children, and so they adopted my brother and his mother, she was a drug addict and he has developmental issues that he's had since he was born and all he's all because of this.
But I am thankful that she his his birth mother chose life because I can't imagine my life without my brother.
Mm-hmm.
And I wish we could say instead of going into pan parenthood and promoting abortions, you know, these young girls love them they're scared, they don't know what to do.
They think abortion is the only thing I have.
This is my only option.
But instead can't we support them and say, you know what?
We're gonna help you through this.
We're gonna offer you counseling.
We're gonna get you through a healthy pregnancy.
And you know what?
If you can't take care of that baby at the end of the nine months, then we're going to help you put that baby up for adoption and find a loving home.
So let me ask you guys this.
If you had to say something, we got about a minute and a half here.
If you had to say something to the young the youth of America, and uh that the maybe even the ones who listen to Lena Dunham, uh I'll say this with Laura uh Laura, what would you say to those those women?
Be careful who you admire and who you look up to.
You know, stop looking at the Kardashians, stop looking at T V stars, stop looking at Lena Dime, stop looking at Beyonce.
Look at people who have morals and success and how they got there.
Mimic that I mean it's it's quite simple.
Oh, listen, that's the first lesson I learned in the military.
Be careful who you pick is your hero.
That is true.
Dave.
Dave, if you had if you had uh John Justice, who's getting ready to take or Jim Justice, who's getting ready to take over as governor of West Virginia, if you had the opportunity to talk to him right now, what would you tell him about uh what's going on with this refugee issue?
Oh just listen to the people around you and take notice of what's going on in the world.
I mean, the people who are inviting all these people in here are all singing the same things that the folks over in Germany and France and everywhere else were.
And we're going to pay that exact same price.
I mean, I don't want to wait until somebody drives a truckload of you know, drives a truck into a parade of people on the streets.
Yeah.
Or sets out a pressure cooker bomb out somewhere around here.
I don't want to wait until that.
We can avoid that now.
And it and avoiding that does not make you a racist or a bad person.
Right.
Listen, Dave Robinson, my good buddy, Laura Munoz, my good friend, both are my reporters that report in on my show, the experts on Facebook Live every night at nine o'clock.
Jim Justice, get a hold of Dave.
Let him uh be one of your advisors.
Thank you, guys.
God bless you.
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And I love it when Linda hands me something to read right as I gotta start talking.
I'm from Arkansas.
We don't do those things at the same time, Linda.
It doesn't work out that well.
So listen, you can find me.
Anytime I can uh give uh Linda a little, you know, jostling a little nudge.
Because she's a Brooklyn, no, not a Brooklyn, she's a a Bronx girl.
I'm actually originally from Philly, which seems to confuse everybody.
Whoa.
That's even better.
That should explain a lot of my uh my anger.
That's even better.
You're the trifecta of anger.
Exactly.
There you go.
And then I married a Polish Puerto Rican, so it's fantastic.
Polish Puerto Rican.
You never see them in jail.
That's because they get away with it.
All right, listen, we're gonna take some calls here.
And uh you know, listen, I'm I'm glad uh when uh we have people that call in that disagree or question what I'm saying.
And uh let's go to Megan in Fort Worth.
Do you want to bring her up?
We'll go to Megan and Fort Worth.
Megan, go ahead and let me hear what you have to say here.
Hi, can you hear me okay?
I sure can, Megan.
And listen, I want you to I want you to know before you start talking.
I'm not against you.
You're an American citizen.
We're gonna have disagreements.
We're we're gonna have uh uh we're gonna have different ideals about way things um are or should be in this country.
So don't think that I'm your enemy here.
If you disagree with me, you disagree with me.
But let's hear what you have to say.
Oh, I don't feel that I don't feel that way at all.
In fact, I've actually been listening to um conservative radio for the last few days.
Um just kind of out of curiosity and kind of just out of a desire to sort of understand their side of things.
Um, I don't I don't I don't feel any any animosity towards you at all.
I love that.
Well, listen, here's the thing you gotta know about about conservatism.
I don't even think the majority of people that say they're conservatives realize this.
Turning you up.
Uh, basically what it is is slow to change.
It's slow to change.
Let's not change things fast.
Let's allow the changes to happen in time.
That's really basically the biggest thing about being a conservative.
And no need for revolution.
Go ahead.
So what is the abortion debate?
Because when I tuned in, I had just I had just gotten I was having lunch with my girlfriend, and I had just turned like I said, this is what my station has just been on for the last few days, and um there was a girl discussing um abortion and are we glamorizing it?
Um what is the debate?
Because the Supreme Court decided 40 years ago, over 40 years ago, that abortion was legal.
So why is this something that that comes up in every political cycle?
Well, there's a couple of reasons.
One, let's let's look at the obvious reason, okay?
You can't trust any politicians.
Some I not saying all politicians, but there's a lot of them out there that care one way or the other.
They don't care less.
They use it as a way to get re-elected.
That's the first and foremost, that's the thing.
Who conservatives or liberals?
Both.
There's there's conservatives and liberals that are establishment people that they they use this as a platform to get re-elected.
You gotta remember that.
You can't trust everybody that says what you want to hear.
You know, that's the first thing.
The second thing is there's people who feel strongly that there should be a choice, right?
Well, there's also people who feel very strongly that life should be protected.
And I know what you're saying about the Supreme Court.
I want you to think about this, though.
In the Dred Scott versus Stanford uh case in uh 1865, decided in 1857, or excuse me, 1856 decided in 1857.
The Supreme Court ruled that American Americans of African descent, whether free or slave, were not American citizens and could not sue in federal court.
The court also ruled that Congress lacked the power to ban slavery in the United States.
So you gotta realize that that the Supreme Court is also filled with politicians.
That's how they got to that position.
So I think that's the problem is that we as a as a citizenry don't take a step back and say, all right, you feel strongly about this, I feel strongly about it this way.
How how do we make sense of this?
And is it possible that one side is not gonna get what they want?
If we can't do that ourselves and we leave it up to the courts, nobody's ever gonna be happy.
So is what I'm understanding that just because the Supreme Court decided in one case that this should be legal.
Um is what I'm understanding that just because that decision was upheld doesn't mean that that decision is where we ultimately need to be.
Yeah, you c first you just can't trust everything that the Supreme Court does because it may be politically motivated.
We don't need to let these things get to the Supreme Court, is what I'm trying to say.
Politicians, you can't necessarily trust where they're gonna go with this.
The Supreme Court, as I just showed you, may have a different understanding of the way things should go than uh then really the Constitution even says.
And here's one thing I want you to think about.
When it comes to life, the Constitution gives us the right to live.
We need to forget about that word life and death.
The Constitution gives you the freedom to live, to be the best that you can be, to fail and to succeed.
That's what makes our Constitution so great.
And that's what eventually did away with uh slavery was the Constitution was still there, foundation of our country and churning and pushing the people forward.
That's the same thing when it comes to right to life.
Right to life and the right to live is something that should be protected.
And it's I guess the people that believe in life are kind of confounded as to why individuals want to stop a life so desperately in uh circumstances where there's no tragedy, there's no medical issue, it's just a form of birth control.
So is the is the sense um for people like yourself ultimately that abortion should be absolutely illegal except in the cases of rape, incest or where the mother's life is to me that's where the real argument is.
That's what I think.
I think that's where the real argument should be.
And uh not not whether or not they should just be legal or illegal.
I think they should be illegal.
Um except in the cases where there's an emergency circumstance.
I think that the protecting of life and the ability to live, I think that's something that them all Americans should should stand up for.
Well, yeah, and I agree with that.
Um and I'm and I'm really not here to offer an opposition to that.
I'm really just here as a person that is truly trying to understand.
I mean, I'm a person that has seen that the country has elected somebody that that I that I that I don't agree with, that I don't you know didn't think ever could be elected.
And so let me let me give you I gotta go to a break, but let me give you two I'm not saying I know tremendous more than you.
Let me tell you one thing that you're doing right, Megan.
You're asking questions, and you're saying why, and you wanting to find out.
You're a seeker.
Seekers are the people who make the most of their life and God holds high because you're seeking the answers to life.
That's amazing.
But let me tell you about Donald Trump and having just left CNN in November.
You need to be very careful of the images that you see of people that are projected on mainstream media.
They can manipulate, they can twist and turn things, and it's best that we all do our studying and look at who the real person is as much as we can.
But Megan, I want to thank you and God bless you, and I hope you have a merry Christmas.
Sorry I got to cut you off, but I gotta go to a break, and we're gonna come back.
You're gonna have we're gonna have I may have time for another call.
I may just tell a Christmas story.
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I'm sorry I'm not gonna get to any more calls.
But I do want to tell you all a quick story.
I told this last night on my show.
Because I want to share with everybody, because we're close to Christmas.
The uh a story about the small silent voice or whisper of God that's in our heads all the time that uh we tend to ignore because of our busy lives, because of our jobs or our drama that's going on in our families, because we've heard Lena Dunham say something that's absolutely stupid.
But here's what I want you all to hear, because I know we all have these stories.
Maybe you didn't know who was talking to you in your mind.
I was working at a gym in uh Pasadena, California.
Uh, this is back in, I don't know, like 88, 1988.
I'd had a motorcycle crash when I was living with my sister, and she had to move, and I had nowhere to live, basically.
So I moved in the gym where I was working, and I lived upstairs in the gym, 24-hour gym.
I don't even know if they knew.
I would just go throw a blanket down up there on some mats and go to sleep every night and get up and do my shift.
And I was in uh the office one day, and a guy comes in and says, Hey, I'm a Marine from Camp Pendleton.
Uh, I um had a big breakup with my girlfriend, and I lost all my money this weekend, and I need to get back down to Camp Pimbling.
Can somebody give me $20?
Well, I just gone back to work, and all I had in my pocket was $20.
I kid you not, I had that was all I had was a $20 bill.
And I watched everybody in that office who I knew they had money.
They, you know, said, no, sorry, we don't have any money, we can't help you out.
He went from person to person, and they were kind of wanting to get him out of the gym.
And this voice kept telling me, give him your $20.
I kept saying to myself, no, I'm not gonna give him that $20.
It's all I got left.
And I'm not gonna get paid for another week.
I'm tired eating beanie weenies and chili every day at the at the bar next door.
So I followed the guy outside.
I knew who was talking to me.
And I walked up to the guy and I said, Hey, listen, here's 20 bucks.
And uh, God bless you, and thank you for your service.
He said, Well, give me your address, I'll send it back.
I said, No, no, no.
That's God's money.
God told me to give you that money.
Have a have a good trip.
I hope everything works out with your fiance, your girlfriend.
Never saw the guy again.
About five minutes later, I'm sitting in the gym sweating because I don't know where I'm gonna get money to eat, and I don't want to have to ask people for money.
And but I I followed what God had told me.
I followed that that's that whisper in your mind of what to do.
And a few minutes later, this guy walks by, he's got this t-shirt on, it's got a cross on it.
It's about a music group, and I said, Hey, I like your t-shirt there, brother.
And uh we started talking.
I walked outside talking to him, and I mentioned to him, you know, how important it is to listen to that voice, because this is a new lesson that had been pumped back into my brain.
And um, I told him I'd gave this guy $20.
I didn't tell him that I didn't have any more money.
I just told him I'd given this guy $20.
And we talked a little bit more, and I said, nice to meet you.
Hope to talk to you again.
He he goes to walk off.
He turns around, he says, you know what?
He reaches his back pocket, he pulls out $40, and he hands me $40.
And I said, What's that for?
Said, God told me to give that to you, and I don't question God.
I was shocked.
I was shocked because I don't expect that to happen to people all the time.
But in an instant, God had taught me a lesson, and that lesson carried forward my entire career, my entire life, all through SEAL training when things were terrible and men were having to look at their souls and quit right there.
I knew that God had told me to be there, and that if I persisted, that I would be what he wanted me to be.
Now I'm no way, shape, or form the man that he wants me to be.
I have my faults, and I still have a long ways to go.
But that lesson that I learned in an instant, because I listened to that small voice, is a lesson that can pay off bigger than any college degree, bigger than any going to performance of Hamilton and thinking that you know everything.
Trust me, folks, Trust me.
If you listen to God this Christmas, if somebody says they need something, help them out.
If you have faith, he'll restore what you have and in some.
And I just want to say with that, God bless to all the veterans out there that are serving and that have served.
I don't care whether you've been in combat or you used a pencil your entire career.
God bless you.
God bless all the police officers who put their life and deploy every day to protect us.
Thank you to the firefighters and the paramedics and the nurses and the doctors and to all the people that decided to make a difference this election and go out and vote.
God bless everybody.
I can't thank you enough.
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Let's make a difference this year.
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