Dec. 23, 2016 - Sean Hannity Show
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| When any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections, that we need to take action, and we will. | |
| See, now we're feeling what not having hope feels like. | |
| The impact of that malicious activity benefited the Trump campaign and hurt the Clinton campaign. | |
| The era of economic surrender is of you, the people of Pennsylvania, finally going to have a champion that fights for you in the White House. | |
| Freedom is back in style. | |
| Welcome to the Revolution. | |
| We burning down the mashing bullets at the moon, baby. | |
| This is how we rule. | |
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| This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. | |
| It is great to be back in the hot seat for Sean Hannity. | |
| And I can't thank him enough and Linda for having me here and everybody else, all the people that work. | |
| There's like thousands of people that work behind the scenes for Sean Hannity's radio show. | |
| It's amazing, the machine that's here. | |
| So they're all laughing in there. | |
| It's literally like four people, and they're amazing. | |
| 4,000 people. | |
| Anyway, listen, it's great to be back here. | |
| Those of you that don't know who I am, I'm a former Navy SEAL. | |
| I tell this every time, and I know people are getting tired of this, but former Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal, Security Contractor, and FBI Special Agent, aka G-Man, here in New York. | |
| I don't know if, listen, I'm still proud to have been an FBI agent. | |
| I just wish they would get rid of the criminal James Comey. | |
| Get him out of office, Mr. Trump. | |
| First thing you got to do, let me tell you something. | |
| Before I start on my rant here, I got to hand it to Mr. Trump. | |
| He has stacked the deck with leaders. | |
| Forget about for a second what their backgrounds are. | |
| Just the sheer fact that he brings in men that understand leadership and women that understand leadership. | |
| I mean, listen, he just named Kelly Ann Conway as a special counsel, I believe it is. | |
| Literally, he should have her on a rope like a police dog, a leash. | |
| And then when the press, I know he's got a press secretary, but I love Kellyanne Conway. | |
| There's nobody better that can get somebody in a chokehold and smile at them at the same time while they take them down. | |
| It's like some kind of special martial arts that she's got. | |
| Kellyanne Conway needs to open up a school for police officers to teach them how to face people with a smile, but still be ready to kill at any moment. | |
| That's where I think Kellyanne Conway is amazing when she does her stuff. | |
| So I want to congratulate her as well. | |
| But, Mr. Trump, President-elect Trump has put real leaders in place that are going to work together. | |
| Now, that is one of the most amazing things out of this transition team that has put these people together that I've seen in years since Reagan, really. | |
| I mean, we could say Bush and Bush, but the fact is they took Reagan's people and reappropriated them. | |
| So really, Reagan, when he put people in, was similar to this. | |
| But still, I don't think we've had this type of leadership in the White House in modern history. | |
| The only problem we have with that is James Comey. | |
| We're going to have a new Attorney General. | |
| We've got an incredible Secretary of Defense and General Mattis who knows how to fight a strategic war. | |
| We have General Kelly that's going to be in the Department of Homeland Security that knows how to communicate with General Mattis so they can work together. | |
| Because listen, folks, there is no, when it comes to fundamental Islam, we have to stop thinking that the war is only overseas and that there's only a few lone, quote-unquote, lone wolves, I don't like to use that, homegrown operatives, that operate here inside the United States. | |
| The reality is it's one group. | |
| It's one war. | |
| It just happens to be here inside the United States and internationally over in the Middle East. | |
| If you want more on this, you can go to my YouTube page and look at The Experts, which is my show that I host nightly on Facebook Live at 9 p.m. on my Facebook site, Jonathan T. Gilliam. | |
| But you can see I put a strategic war plan together that incorporates all these things. | |
| That's what's happening. | |
| You're getting people domestically and a general that is working with the DOD that's going to be able to work together. | |
| There's just one more problem, two problems. | |
| One is James Comey. | |
| Got to get rid of him. | |
| Ask for his resignation January 20th. | |
| And then put a real agent in there, not somebody who was an attorney that knew the Clintons since Whitewater. | |
| Next, it is imperative, and this is where we're going to go about hope. | |
| It's imperative that Mr. Trump goes several layers down. | |
| That's where the real swamp is. | |
| That's where most people, when they look at a swamp, they look at dirty water. | |
| But you go walking into the swamp, what traps you and kills you is the dirty, deep mud that's in a swamp. | |
| And that's what's directly under the political appointees. | |
| That's the deputy directors that have been brought up by those political appointees. | |
| That's like the DOJ where it's just infested with ultra-left-wing liberals, aka communists. | |
| Mr. Trump has to go in and systematically rebuild each one of these agencies by promoting people that have been in the trenches, people that have been on the street, people that are dedicated to the fight, not dedicated to the administration. | |
| He does those two things. | |
| He's already done the first one, putting people, right people in place, needs to get rid of Comey. | |
| But if they go in and each one of these secretaries goes into these agencies, listen, I've been a part of four federal agencies and one state agency. | |
| I'm telling you, that's where the real danger of the swamp lies. | |
| Now, how does that have to do anything with hope? | |
| Let me tell you. | |
| Michelle Obama's statements that she made, let's go ahead and play those, and I'm going to tell you exactly what this has to do with that. | |
| Go ahead. | |
| Your husband's administration, everything, the election, was all about hope. | |
| Do you think that this administration achieved that? | |
| Yes. | |
| I do. | |
| Because we feel the difference now. | |
| Yeah. | |
| See, now we're feeling what not having hope feels like. | |
| You know, hope is necessary. | |
| It's a necessary concept. | |
| And Barack didn't just talk about hope because he thought it was just a nice slogan to get votes. | |
| I mean, he and I and so many believe that if you, what else do you have if you don't have hope? | |
| I'll tell you what else you have. | |
| First off, you can't hope in Barack Obama. | |
| You can't, listen, I'm a big Trump supporter. | |
| I've been a Trump supporter the whole time. | |
| But you can't hope, pin all your hope on President-elect Trump. | |
| You just can't. | |
| Here's where you pin your hope. | |
| And I think this is where Mr. Trump is pinning his hope. | |
| It's called the Constitution. | |
| One thing about this country is that it doesn't matter who comes and goes. | |
| Our Constitution always stays. | |
| If the Constitution is threatened, then hope is threatened. | |
| The people who should be worried about hope over these past eight years are the American people that love opportunity, that love freedom, that love the chance to be the best and sometimes mess up and be their worst. | |
| That is what hope is all about, and that is guaranteed in the Constitution. | |
| Look, folks, I had a big argument with somebody one day, not really a big argument, more of a heavy debate on Facebook because this guy wanted to chime in. | |
| He's got dark skin, otherwise known as a black person, which I don't like to use these terms. | |
| I mean, talk about the stupidest way to judge somebody, how much light reflects off your skin. | |
| Let's see if that determine anything about somebody's ability to work? | |
| No. | |
| And it's stupid. | |
| Racism is ridiculous. | |
| Cultures that base their worth on the color of their skin, they're ridiculous. | |
| And so we can go all the way back, and this was my discussion with the guy, all the way back to slavery. | |
| I did a toast on my Facebook Live show to the founding fathers because of what they've done. | |
| They actually gave us the Electoral College, which, despite what the left-wing ultra-communist liberals think, did exactly what it was supposed to do, which is give power to the rural areas in this country and even it out with the big cities where the majority of people and liberals live. | |
| Now, what I told this guy was that he said he couldn't toast to the founding fathers because they were racist, because they allowed slavery. | |
| And this is the thing: the founding fathers and the way things were back then, maybe it wasn't right the way that people were looked at as different percentages of a human being. | |
| Absolutely, that wasn't right. | |
| But that's the way it was at that point in time. | |
| You can go back 500 years, 1,000 years, 10,000 years. | |
| Every race has been and every people have been enslaved at some point in time. | |
| The point that's different here is that our founding fathers were smart enough because they were fleeing from tyranny to realize they needed to build a constitution that didn't have to live and breathe, but gave the people the ability to live and breathe. | |
| And that's what happened. | |
| The Constitution stayed the same. | |
| There's amendments here and amendments there to change the wording, yes. | |
| But overall, if that Constitution had not been written the way it was, slavery would never have been abolished. | |
| And so therefore what I look at is the people like those individuals that were enslaved in the beginnings of this country, they give me hope because Americans have the ability to make it through hard times. | |
| And we have this piece of paper, this constitution that gives us the ability to grow. | |
| That is where you will find hope. | |
| Let's play what Mr. Trump's response was to that. | |
| We face many, many challenges. | |
| The world is a mess. | |
| Our country is in trouble. | |
| We face many, many challenges. | |
| Michelle Obama said yesterday that there's no hope. | |
| But I assume she was talking about the past, not the future, because I'm telling you, we have tremendous hope. | |
| And we have tremendous promise and tremendous potential. | |
| We are going to be so successful as a country again. | |
| We are going to be amazing. | |
| Well, that's right. | |
| And you know what is interesting about what he says? | |
| All positive. | |
| All positive. | |
| Nothing negative. | |
| I mean, first off, if you really want to judge somebody and their ability to lead, you have to start out. | |
| If you have somebody that walks in and screams and yells, unless they're a drill instructor, I call that failed leadership. | |
| You have to have people that can come in with positive outlooks on everything and then somebody who is not afraid to say, you fired with that accent, which I'm sure he will. | |
| Now, here's the thing, as I close up these opening remarks here in this opening rant. | |
| I wrote a paper that was an article that was printed in the opinion section of the Daily Caller, and it talked about statistics and how they are the Achilles hill for people who want to argue against the Electoral College. | |
| I mean, they bring up all these statistics, things like unemployment rate and these types of things. | |
| Unemployment rate is a perfect example of why you can't trust statistics, because it does not tell you how many people are getting jobs. | |
| It tells you how many people are on subsistence. | |
| And when that subsistence runs out, they get off of it. | |
| Well, the percentage just went up because 10,000 people just got off of unemployment. | |
| It doesn't mean that they got a job. | |
| It's a fake statistic. | |
| But who likes to use those more than anybody? | |
| I'm going to talk to the liberals for just a second. | |
| You cannot hope in statistics. | |
| You can't hope in negativity. | |
| You can't pin your argument in hatred. | |
| If you are not willing to show up with facts and say, Donald Trump is a terrible leader. | |
| He doesn't have any experience leading. | |
| If that's not your argument, then you have no argument because he has proof that he is a good leader. | |
| He can fail and he can come back and succeed. | |
| That's a great leader. | |
| Throwing numbers out there is not a proper argument. | |
| Now, we look at what happened with Ivanka Trump when she gets on an airplane and you have two gay guys that approach her and pretty much berate her like crazy because her and her husband and their kids were flying coach on jet blue. | |
| And they completely disrupted the entire plane. | |
| Ridiculous. | |
| Nothing's going to come out of that. | |
| And one of the things they kept yelling was that she has ruined or her father has ruined America. | |
| He hasn't even taken office. | |
| And quite frankly, he's brought more unity to this country than Barack Obama did in eight years of destroying unity. | |
| The Islamic guy that got kicked off the plane, I'm not even going to mention his name, but he says it was because of a bunch of people saying racist stuff to him. | |
| Listen, I was an air marshal. | |
| If you're a loudmouth and you're making a scene, there's a chance you're going to get kicked off the plane. | |
| I don't care what language you're talking. | |
| But here's the other thing. | |
| I hate to clue this guy in, but we get attacked all the time by Islamic fundamentalists. | |
| And when somebody's on a plane and they're speaking another language and they're acting odd, which on a plane, if you're talking loud and obnoxious, that's odd behavior. | |
| It's called a social norm. | |
| You won't get on an elevator and turn around at everybody and start talking in Arabic really loud and looking at everybody in the face. | |
| If you do that, people are going to freak. | |
| You have to be conscious of other people in this country. | |
| So we have the gay movement. | |
| We have the people that this is fake Islamophobia accusations movement. | |
| You got the MTV thing. | |
| Let's play just a snippet of that because I know we don't have a lot of time. | |
| Hey, fellow white guys. | |
| It's about to be a new year. | |
| And here's a few things we think you could do a little bit better in 2017. | |
| First off, try to recognize that America was never great for anyone who wasn't a white guy. | |
| Can we all just agree that Black Lives Matter isn't the opposite of All Lives Matter? | |
| Black Lives Just Matter. | |
| There's no need to overcomplicate it. | |
| Also, Blue Lives Matter isn't a thing. | |
| Cops weren't born with blue skin, right? | |
| I mean, we don't have to hurt anybody else, their ears with the rest of that. | |
| Here's the thing about cops: cops were born with a heart. | |
| Our founding fathers are born with a heart, with a conscience. | |
| These people, these young people, first of all, they don't know a thing. | |
| Who are they to be telling anybody anything? | |
| Well, we're going to discuss this more when we come back in just a minute with one of them. | |
| I'm unbelievably blown away. | |
| I get to interview Newt Gingrich. | |
| And we're going to spend this and I'm going to show you why these sheep are so quick to follow the liberal left and the communist ideology that they spin. | |
| That's right. | |
| We're going to talk about communism in this country. | |
| This is the Sean Hannity Radio Show. | |
| Jonathan Gillum filling in. | |
| We'll be right back. | |
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| This is the Sean Hannity Show. | |
| This is Jonathan Gillum. | |
| I need to turn up my headset there so I can hear you. | |
| Filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. | |
| We're going to take just a real quick few seconds. | |
| I just want to tell you, tune back in. | |
| We're going to go to another commercial break. | |
| We're going to come back and have Newt Gingrich on here. | |
| And we're going to talk about communism and the liberal left. | |
| And I know I keep wanting to tally, get people to focus on this, is that it's real, and it's here. | |
| And you have to realize that. | |
| You have to realize that. | |
| This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. | |
| Yes, that's right. | |
| It's Sean's. | |
| It's his show. | |
| But I am filling in today. | |
| And in just a minute, we're going to have Newt Gingrich come on and talk about, well, I don't want to talk about the reality of communism. | |
| And I'm just, I'm ecstatic that I get to talk to Newt Gingrich because I've never got to talk to him before. | |
| And I got some interest. | |
| We've had some parallels in our lives, nowhere close to his success, but on my own level. | |
| But here's the thing. | |
| I want to kind of lead up to this. | |
| And that's the fact that people are so amazed. | |
| I'm probably one of the only people that you're going to see on television or on the radio, listen to on the radio, that's talking about communism. | |
| People think that because the Cold War died, that communism died with it. | |
| But the reality is they can call it whatever they want. | |
| They can call it socialism, democratic socialism. | |
| They can call it liberalism, whatever they want. | |
| The reality is the hardline left was schooled under Marxists like Saul Olinski, and they take a lot of their playbook directly from, which Saulinsky did himself, from Hitler's Mein Kampf. | |
| Primarily the big lie, where they tell a big lie. | |
| Now, just think about this, folks. | |
| They do this over and over. | |
| They tell a big lie, and then they repeat it, and they repeat it until the majority of people have seen it on television, and they just think it's the truth. | |
| This electoral college attack is a perfect example of that. | |
| I think one of the biggest bullies in the Democratic Party right now is Christine Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's daughter. | |
| She hails from the womb of one of the worst politicians we've ever had. | |
| And herself, she's probably one of the nastiest bullies I've seen on television. | |
| And she's one of these people that is consistently spreading this big lie, telling it over and over again, typical playbook, straight from Mein Kampf. | |
| And she tells it over and over again and tries to get the American people to believe it. | |
| And there's so many sheep on the left that will just go wherever the sheepherder tells them to go that they don't even realize they're not being led by a sheepherder. | |
| They're being led by wolves. | |
| That's the whole truth. | |
| I mean, that is the reality of what's going on on the left. | |
| That's why when you start to sit back and think about this, why are political appointees so important for some of these presidential administrators that are not subject matter experts? | |
| That's because they can lead them and get them to do. | |
| They're their puppets. | |
| They can get them to do and say whatever they want. | |
| So this is the facts, folks. | |
| This is the facts. | |
| The liberal left is basically not been infiltrated by, as I thought originally. | |
| They are the remnants of the Communist Party. | |
| And I'm talking about the people on the top, on the left. | |
| Let me see. | |
| Do we have Newton? | |
| Is Newt on? | |
| Can we put him on? | |
| So joining me now is a former Speaker of the House and the author of the novel Treason and the new e-book, Electing Trump, Newt Gingrich. | |
| Sir, I just cannot tell you how much of an honor it is to actually get to talk to you. | |
| I think I was on the floor. | |
| I wasn't on the floor. | |
| I was up in the rafters the night when you all stayed in Congress and had the contract with America. | |
| I was a senior in college and we got to work a day in the DNC and a day in the RNC and then I got to spend a week in the White House answering telephones. | |
| And so it was an honor to see you there and then watch through all these years of you stay relevant, not because like Barack Obama, who has to come out and say things to Michelle Obama where they're reaching to stay relevant. | |
| You stayed relevant because you're a scholar and because you're a patriot and because you're somebody who people seek out. | |
| So it's an honor. | |
| Well, I'm delighted to be ⁇ I don't know if it's an honor or not, but I'm delighted to have a chance to talk with you and to really try to think about all the different things going on. | |
| This is one of the most extraordinary periods we've ever seen. | |
| And I think it's going to remain extraordinary. | |
| I think Donald Trump is proving that he is as dynamic and as aggressive that we have to realize this is going to be a very, very different experience than Washington is used to. | |
| Well, this is what I want to ask you about. | |
| I want to focus on this a little bit because I think you're probably one of the more experienced people that can shed light on this. | |
| The Cold War disappeared, but the communists never actually truly went away. | |
| And Saul Olinski was a big influence in Hillary Clinton's life. | |
| Barack Obama was also influenced by him. | |
| He was a Marxist. | |
| I guess the question is, did you see hints of this communist mentality in the Democratic Party when you were Speaker of the House? | |
| And how has this progressed? | |
| Because what I'm thinking is it's just going to get worse. | |
| All these tactics that they use, these are traditional tactics like the big lie. | |
| It's going to get worse and worse, and it's going to be the biggest hindrance to Trump's presidency. | |
| Well, look, I think we have to recognize, I tell people that Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Empire and defeated communism and the Soviet Empire, but in the process, we lost to communism at Stanford. | |
| And I think you have to recognize that all of this socialist effort, if you look at all the people who came out for Bernie Sanders, it was really the result of years and years and years of left-wing efforts to take control of the commanding heights of the news media, the entertainment world, and the academic world. | |
| And they've been remarkably successful. | |
| So while we've done very well with the general public, we do very well with the business community. | |
| We do very well with military people who face the reality of life and death and the reality of real enemies. | |
| We have steadily lost ground in Hollywood and in the news media and in the academic world. | |
| And I think in that sense, we're in a very long, very, very tough struggle that we should be aware of. | |
| This is going to be a real fight. | |
| And I think we've seen just a lead-up to it since he has been elected. | |
| I mean, it's already starting to ramp up. | |
| The only thing I think that we have going for us, and having been an FBI agent, I know how these criminals work, is that once they get comfortable in the area in which they work, they start to give away a lot of the signs and the signals and the techniques and tactics that they use. | |
| And I think over this past year, the American people got much smarter as to what their tactics, techniques, and procedures are to the point where now we just see it when it's on television. | |
| Well, but remember, it's really an evenly divided country. | |
| I mean, we have gained some ground, but at the same time, we have to recognize, and this is going to be the great challenge of the Trump administration. | |
| Can he turn a temporary victory against a really bad opponent into the foundation from which, or the springboard from which, to build a movement which really, truly changes things? | |
| And, you know, I wrote a very small book that we just put up called Electing Trump, in which I had my writing over the last two years about the emergence of the anti-Washington candidates and then the emergence of Trump among that group, and then the total failure of the news media to understand it. | |
| But if you look at, for example, the New York Times story this morning about Trump on foreign policy, it's just methodically, systematically dishonest. | |
| I mean, it's like reading Pravda. | |
| You get this totally phony report with totally phony language, and yet that's the New York Times remains, despite everything, one of the most important guides to the rest of the news media in setting the tone. | |
| And this is a real problem. | |
| And my greatest concern for President-elect Trump and his team is that they will forget that these people are their mortal opponents and will do anything they can to beat them, and they'll start trying to figure out how to accommodate them. | |
| And that's the beginning of the end, because we cannot accommodate the left and have any hope of turning America around. | |
| It's the same thing with Putin, he's a trained KGB officer, and although he may be nice to certain people, you always got to watch them. | |
| And it's the same thing with the Democratic Party. | |
| They will take Trump out in a heartbeat and not think twice about it. | |
| Well, it's part of why Reagan said trust but verify. | |
| Exactly. | |
| I'm perfectly happy to talk with Putin, but I never forget for a second what his background is. | |
| And I talk to New York Times reporters all the time, but I know who they work for, and I know how really difficult it is to communicate past them. | |
| But in a free society, you have to find ways. | |
| This is where Reagan was really good because he knew if he was repetitive long enough, it got through despite the news media. | |
| Trump has used the social media brilliantly to achieve the same goal. | |
| When he tweets or when he sends stuff out on Facebook, he's cutting right past the elite media, which of course is why they hate it when he does it, because they know that he is undermining all of their clout, which is based on their ability to control what people learn, and he's reaching the American people despite the elite media. | |
| You know, sir, I think, speaking of the media, one thing that they should absolutely do is ⁇ now this is my own personal opinion. | |
| I'm a little aggressive ⁇ is get rid of the press room. | |
| I think that that should be handed over to the Secret Service. | |
| They have no locker room, no place in the White House to get dressed or take a break. | |
| I'd go halfway with you. | |
| I think they should have a communications briefing center. | |
| I think it ought to have all that, among other things, for Facebook. | |
| I think they ought to accept questions from around the country. | |
| I think there are 500 and some members of the White House press corps, so they could routinely, you know, each press briefing could be a different set of rotating people. | |
| So sometimes the NEW YORK Times would be in the room, and sometimes it wouldn't be in the room. | |
| Right now, they have about 25 people who are privileged, who are supposed to be the press, And why would you? | |
| if you were a change agent like President-elect Trump, why would you make the New York Times and the Washington Post and CBS News the front row of your briefing? These people have been, in every way conceivable, | |
| the mortal opponents of Trumpism. They are to this day. They continue to be dishonest and inaccurate and inflammatory. And why would you reward them by putting them on the front row? I would literally rotate them so that they would get their share out of the 550 seats, | |
| which means that they would be rotated out of the room for probably seven out of every eight briefings. I'd also have two or three questions from the country. You could take questions from local news stations around the country. You could take questions from citizens. And if you combined Facebook and Google and Twitter, | |
| you could literally have a citizen's interaction directly with the President of the United States in a way that would really dramatically open up the system. Well, and if they did that, you would have clarity versus when the media does interviews, | |
| it's always from a biased standpoint. That's why, like I was going to say, I would just have them sit outside the fence and have Spicer come down there and talk to him through the fence like he was a civilian. I mean, because we can't. I think you're a step more radical than I am. I say that with some respect. So let me ask you this one. We've got a few more minutes here. Why do, | |
| and did you see this when you were in office? Why does the left hate America so bad? And do they actually hate the Constitution? Because it seems like they want to change it any chance they get. Well, look, there's a deep stream of left-wing literary and intellectual thought going all the way back to the progressive period in the turn of the 19th century, to the 20th century, | |
| of people who critiqued America, who undermined America. There's a whole school that tries to debunk George Washington. And yet, any Sir Kliston, I've done a movie called The First American about George Washington. I've written three novels about him. To know George Washington is to realize that here was a giant. Here was a man who in every way was extraordinary. And yet on the left, | |
| There's this desperate effort to debunk him, because they have to shrink him in order to shrink America. | |
| And the left has had a long tradition, some of it being European socialists and European communists who fled the Nazis and came to the U.S. In the 20s and 30s. | |
| And there's this deep infusion of people who are anti-capitalist and anti-nationalist and who never quite acquired the romantic heart of the American Experience. | |
| And so they really focused on taking over the educational establishment and then ultimately, over time, taking over Hollywood and the news Media, And they represent, those are the folks who, if you say, you know, I'm proud to be an American, they go, oh my gosh, you're one of those nationalists. If you say, I'm for America first, they go, oh, my gosh, you must be an isolationist. And the question you have to ask them is: so, who are you going to put first? You're going to put the U.N. first? I mean, | |
| it's a collection of kleptocratic dictatorships and irresponsible bureaucrats. You're going to put some accord in Paris first. You're going to put, you know, diplomats and lawyers sitting in five-star hotels at gourmet restaurants striking fancy deals first. And, | |
| of course, what Trump resonated with was he communicated with the American people. I care about you. They don't care about everybody in small-town America where Trump beat Hillary by huge margins and where people turned out to vote who had never before voted. They had this sense that nobody cared about them. Their town was decaying. They had no hope. They had no future. And along comes Donald J. Trump, | |
| and they suddenly say, you know, let's give it one more try. And that's really what this was about. Got to go, sir. Thank you very much. It was an honor talking to you, and you're absolutely right. Donald Trump is going to keep hope alive. That's for absolute sure. Listen, | |
| join us. We're going to come right back. This is Jonathan Gillen filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. And we are going to bring on just a second. I just want to say there's some breaking news that they are giving away Ph.D. doctoral diplomas. If you go and see the play Hamilton, | |
| you automatically become an expert. So I just heard that on the street somewhere in New York. Okay, maybe it's not breaking news. But find me on Twitter, j Gilliam underscore SEAL. You can find me on Facebook at JonathanT. Gilliam. And also, I do have a website, JonathanT.Gilliam.com. I do a Facebook Live show every night at 9 p.m. I like to lead right into Sean on Fox News. I like to think that I get the millions of viewers on Facebook, | |
| and they're just screwing me over saying they only have 80 at one time. So come on, come on to the show. Find me, Jonathan T. Gillum, on Facebook, and be a part of the dialogue. That's what's so great about this show is that, and what Facebook has done, | |
| this is one thing that I agree that Facebook has done, is it's given us the opportunity to go around the mainstream media and discuss the real facts and the real problems that are going on in this country with like-minded people. So I do take calls and we have discussions that you can get involved with. And it's a great time every night, | |
| 9 p.m. on Facebook Live. Just look for Jonathan T. Gilliam. Now, I'm excited about this next interview. If you're driving down the road, stay right here and listen. If you just pulled into your house, sit in your car and don't turn the car off because you're going to want to hear this. This is Bill Benny, former technical director of the NSA World Geopolitical and Military Analysis and Reporting Group. Man, | |
| that is a title. That's a title that just spells smart, Bill. And then Kurt Weeby, former senior analyst for the NSA. Both are considered whistleblowers, which, you know, in my book, especially in the past eight years, tells me that you guys are gutsy individuals that probably saw the reality and couldn't stand it anymore. So, guys, | |
| it's a pleasure to have you both. I love talking to fellow operators and people that are intel officers and people that understand the reality of what's going on. I know, Bill, you and I talked last week, | |
| and that's why I wanted to have you back on because I wanted to expand on some of this stuff. And I talked to Newt Gingrich earlier, and my opening statements are all about communism and the reality of how the people on the far left are really using communist-type tactics, | |
| the big lie, to make things big. They use a Hegelian dialect to go and either find or create a problem so they can manufacture a reaction and then offer a solution that doesn't do anybody any good except for whatever movement that they have. So I guess the question for you guys is, | |
| we talked about last week on here about the Russian hacking of our system and affecting the election process. You know, I look at a lot of this as when you don't secure your computers, when you put them in your bathroom, your servers in your bathroom, and you do classified stuff on there, when you have a DNC that doesn't listen to the FBI when they call and tell you that you're a target, | |
| you could probably be a target. And how do you guys feel about that? Well, I think that's absolutely right. It's also true that every country in the world hacks every other country. I mean, we do it, like, for example, | |
| the Chancellor Merkel and every other leader in the world as well. But it's not limited to us. Everybody's doing it to everybody else. They're trying to gather information and intelligence on everybody in the world as best they can do. And it's according to their resources and capabilities as to how much they can really achieve. Yeah, | |
| and I think a perfect example of that is the fact that Barack Obama's administration had operatives on the ground in Israel during that election trying to fucking. And, you know, Israel's spying on us, too. Sure. I mean, we've caught some of them doing that, | |
| too. So how much of this, I mean, honestly, and I know you guys have been asked this question a million times, but just tell the American people just straight out, what is the reality of the Russians' involvement here and how much effect did they actually have on Inciting the people in the United States to vote for Donald Trump. Well, | |
| Jonathan, let me say this. I'd like your audience to pause and think for a moment. Who had more effect over the United States election? The mass media, the big media, the NBCs, CNNs, ABCs, MSNBC, you name it, or the Russians. And I will guarantee you, most people will tell you the U.S. media. Yeah, it's a good point you bring up there because I've been saying since the DNC was hacked, | |
| this is before the WikiLeaks and the stuff about the server. I think the server stuff had already come out, but I kept saying I think the DNC hacked themselves through third-party operators over in Russia to make it look like they were hacked by Russia so that they could play the victim card. Now, Well, that's my theory on it, and it plays right into what you're saying there. | |
| Absolutely right. | |
| And I'm looking at right now Congressman Adam Schiff from California on CNN. | |
| He's really well at home on CNN because all that comes out of his mouth are lies. | |
| And this is a guy who spins this propaganda big time. | |
| Well, I think it's all just how to manufacture an issue to divert from the basic truths that are trying to be spread around by, I think, Wikileaks is giving us the truth. | |
| And everybody else is lying about it. | |
| Do you think that there's people that say Snowden had something to do with this, that he was instrumental in this? | |
| How do people, I guess the question I have for you is, how do people educate themselves? | |
| They're not going to go work for the NSA like you guys did. | |
| How do they educate themselves and find fact from fiction when it comes to dealing with the mainstream media and cyber issues? | |
| Well, you. | |
| It's a different world today, for sure, than it was, say, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, Jonathan, in terms of where one gets one's information. | |
| It is 10 times more difficult to get information you can rely on today than it was back in the day. | |
| We have journalists who have become propagandists. | |
| Today's mainstream media is every bit as biased as Pravda was during the Soviet Union. | |
| And a lot of people may not know, but the word pravda in Russian means truth. | |
| I am a Russian linguist. | |
| I have a master's degree in it. | |
| And that was my specialty at NSA before I got involved in digital communications and how the internet works. | |
| But the point of it is, when you spread a rumor wide enough and repeat it multiple times, people begin to believe in it. There's a concerted effort to do that to the American people, to the European people, throughout Western civilization. And we've definitely got to be prepared and have news outlets that we can rely on. It's very difficult to do today. There's no simple answer, but they are not the mainstream media. Now, | |
| that's where I think I was just talking about my Facebook Live show. I think that's where Facebook Live is going to pay off. And what's interesting, though, about this whole fake news issue that's coming out lately is that the mainstream media, just like the WikiLeaks thing, they talk about fake news more than anything else, like it's the other people that are doing fake news when, in fact, they're the ones doing more fake news than anybody. Yeah, that's the pretty much true. I mean, | |
| you can look at Clapper when he testified to, or Alexander when they testify to Congress. Chances are that if they're open their mouth and say anything, either 80% of it is either an outright lie or a distortion of the truth. So they're basically trying to keep everybody uninformed or misinformed so they can actually manipulate them any way they want. And that's pretty much true of this government. That's basically what they've been, | |
| and the intelligence community has been doing all along. So let me ask you guys this. And I think we touched on this last week, but it's become more apparent now to me that the CIA and the NSA, when they say that they got together and released a report, | |
| which we still have not seen, they're really talking about the political appointees. They're not talking about the operations officers or the analysts. It seems to me as though the information that gets reported in the news as being released is really a controlled press release, which is done by these higher-ups. Yeah, I think you could take an example in the past, like weapons of mass destruction is a slam dunk. They all agreed to that, too. Exactly. Did you, | |
| when you guys were in the fields that you were in, I know I'm reading the background, you guys, and you talk about evaluating information. What is more important to these executives at the top? Is it actually doing things like coming up with new systems to evaluate information so America's safer? Or is it just appeasing the politicians, | |
| and in this case, the Democratic Party? Yeah, it's definitely not doing the mission. Years ago, it was the mission at the top of the priority list. Now it's one's career, one's financial welfare in the future. Eisenhower's military-industrial complex, | |
| which I really thought was an argument from the left side of the political spectrum 40 years ago, is really here. It's here in spades. If Eisenhower saw what was going on in Washington, D.C. with big contracts and industry, feathering of nests, the rotation between the DOD and people becoming vice presidents in major corporations, Beltway bandits we call them, | |
| he would flip over in his grave. He really would, because it's here in its full effect. And what that means is we destroy our form of democracy because everything becomes about one's financial welfare instead of the welfare of the government, | |
| the United States people, our soldiers. It all becomes secondary. And I know, Jonathan, you're aware of the faux pas over armored Humvees and what happened in the DOD when trouble in the Middle East began years ago. But this kind of corruption goes right to our belly. And this, | |
| when Trump says he needs to drain the swamp, boy, does he. But that swamp's 100 feet deep. And he's going to need all kinds of soldiers, people who are dedicated, mission-oriented, and honest, | |
| and who know something about acquisition enough to control it so that people end up making decisions based on cost-benefit analyses and the facts rather than lucrative contracts that pay back huge sums to people who want to get rich. Well, | |
| you know, I was told a long time ago, I'm not going to, I think I did give this information out, part of it on Facebook Live, but I know somebody who knew Colin Powell. And Colin Powell's about to retire, and they asked him if he had a career lined up for when he gets out, and he laughed and told them pretty much in confidence that, well, actually, it's a known system, just what you're talking about, | |
| where they will go out and while they're in office, they scratch people's backs. Now, they're not told to do that because they'd be committing a crime. But they know, they know how, because the system is in place, that they can do certain things, get certain contracts with people, allow certain bids to go here or there. And when they get out, they'll get a book deal. They get put on the board of several companies where they only have to be there once a year, | |
| and they make $100,000 or more at these different boards. They will get appointed to something in a cabinet, and then they go on a speaking tour, and they become multi-millionaires. Now, they're basically getting paid back for scratching the backs while they were in. And that's basically if you trace back all these individuals that were at the highest levels, and you look at what happened to them when they got out, | |
| that's what happened. Exactly. Right. Well, and that's why we refer to D.C. as the District of Corruption. It's fundamentally a corrupt process, the entire thing. And nobody's holding them accountable for any of it. No, | |
| and it's scary for men and women like us that have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Here's the part that's left out of that. People don't realize it's not the DOD that determines who we're going to fight and when we're going to fight them. That's politicians, | |
| most of who have never served. And they usually pick the enemy for reasons that nobody fully understands. Well, the scariest part about that is the domestic enemy. And the domestic enemy is who we're talking about. And they're the ones who tell us who to fight. So they're never going to tell us that we need to fight them. Never. So it's never going to get fixed. That is a challenge, | |
| Jonathan. You're stunned. Both of you are stunned. Trump can do it. Yeah. Well, listen, as I said earlier, he's going to have to get rid of the people that are underneath the political appointees, the people that are always there, the people that just don't have been there president after president. The DOJ is eaten up with this. Yeah, he just needs to remember his famous quote from his TV show, | |
| you're fired. Yeah, exactly. He has to remember that. Okay, we've got about a minute. Most of the people are really going to try to manipulate him. I mean, the intelligence community is going to come in right when he moves in there. It's not a bad idea that he's only taking one brief a week. I mean, a lot of it is for manipulating the president. That's what these intelligence agencies do. Right, right. Listen, we've got about 30 seconds left. I just want to ask you guys something. We have all these databases, | |
| and we put people on databases and we forget about them. Would it work if when somebody like the Sarnif brothers who were contacted by another country and they say these people are dangerous, shouldn't we be putting them on a separate database? Absolutely. Well, I mean, they certainly should be higher priority for monitoring and following and watching. I mean, that's the whole idea of targeting. I mean, everybody that's committed a terrorist attack around the world has always been known beforehand. They just didn't follow them closely enough. Yeah. Listen, | |
| I'm going to have you guys back next time I'm on. And we can't thank you all enough for your service. God bless you. Have a Merry Christmas. And I salute both of you. Thank you very much. This is a day Sean Hannity Radio Show. We'll be right back. And now, The SEAN Hannity SHOW takes a little time out to list all the great accomplishments of Barack Obama as president so far. | |
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| This is Jonathan Gillum filling in on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. | |
| We got Scott Ulinger coming up, a retired CIA operator. | |
| And listen, we're going to continue this talk about communism and about the reality of what's happening in Washington with the liberal left. | |
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| Again, I know I keep saying this. | |
| Don't think I'm just trying to do this for my own ego, but I want you to find me on Twitter at J Gilliam underscore SEAL because I love getting your information and your thoughts and seeing your dialogue. Also go to Facebook, Jonathan T. Gilliam. Let me know what you think about today's show. Tell me your thoughts. And I'll incorporate that in my show that I have every night at 9 p.m. on Facebook Live called The Experts. And by the way, | |
| American people have shown that they are experts in electing the right person in this 2016 presidential election. Let me just say this real quick before we bring in my next guest. I'm a guest host, | |
| a fill-in host for Sirius XM Patriot Channel 125. So I host for Andrew Wilkow, David Webb, and then I come over here and host for Sean Hannity from time to time. And it is not uncommon for me to call somebody either Andrew Webb or David Hannity, which I just about was to call when we were going to go to break there. Well, just for clarity, Jonathan, this is the Sean Hannity, the Sean Hannity radio show, and you're hosting the Sean Hannity radio show. And we're in New York, | |
| right? Here in New York on the Sean Hannity radio show. So I thought I'd gotten past. I thought I almost said David, and I thought I'd gotten past it. And when we went to break, I checked my phone and I had literally five people write me and say, no, David. So, sorry, David, I'm hosting Sean's show. But now you know, David Webb's show. Actually, I'll be hosting his show next on the 27th and the 28th. I think that's next Thursday and Friday, I think. No, | |
| next Wednesday and Thursday. That's it. All right. So let's bring in my next guest. We're going to go right along. The whole concept of today's show is basically talking about the reality of the left and the dirty word that nobody wants to say, which is communism. Now, there's a new communism now, not like it was back in the old days where they tried to force people into nationalism. Now, it's hatred of the nation, hatred of the Constitution. You don't just see it here. You see it in Canada. You see it in Great Britain, in France, | |
| and Spain and Australia, where people try, and definitely in Germany, where they try to create a problem, just like the Black Lives Matter group here. They find a problem, they latch onto it, they try to make it bigger and cause a reaction so they can offer their solution. And their solution is always break down authority, get rid of guns, tear down the border walls, | |
| don't fix immigration. They're wanting to create a large worldwide European Union, the same thing that they have over there. And you see how it doesn't work over there. But the young people of this world, | |
| they just don't get it yet. And I hope that we don't have to go to that point where the pendulum swings too far to the left before it comes back. But coming on with me now is Scott Ulinger. He's a retired CIA operations officer and Naval Reserve officer and an expert in Russian intel operations. And I was on with Scott the other day on Newsmax, | |
| and Scott, our interview kind of got blown up because I said this exact thing that the liberal left is using the old big lie, which Hitler talked about in Mein Kampf and Sololinsky talked about in his book. Yeah, | |
| exactly. You're right. I mean, it's you're right, John, and it's good to be back. Thanks for inviting me. And it's, I guess what's kind of amazing, sort of discomforting to me, sort of, is it's interesting to have people like you or I, and also the gentleman you just spoke to, | |
| because I was just listening to them. I mean, people of fairly different backgrounds. Their only thing in common is that they all serve in their country. But what I'm saying is everyone seems to be saying pretty much the same thing. And I'm going to join that group of people in saying a lot of the same things. We all tend to have, | |
| we all tend to believe the same things. And that's sort of discomforting that people that have dedicated their lives to serving their country, you know, voice these concerns constantly, you know? Yeah. And just so the people know out there, and you're, you know, I was never in the CIA. I was in the FBI and in the SEAL teams and an Air Marshal. I know how the government works. And you know a whole different way and area in which the government works. It doesn't work, | |
| right? Exactly. Or doesn't work. But I find it very interesting how the CIA is constantly used for domestic affairs, domestic political affairs, how the CIA is always constantly brought into this when their job has nothing to do with domestic affairs. It's outside. I mean, of course, they're collecting intel, but overall their job is to go outside of the United States and work those cases. Right, | |
| exactly. I mean, it was always the way, you know, they cracked down on the CIA quite a lot in the early 70s with the Church Commission to make sure that the CIA was just targeting folks overseas. But the problem is, I guess, as we get increasingly politicized administrations, they try to use the CIA as a way of maybe getting across a certain agenda or misusing the CIA. And unfortunately, you have appointed political leadership in the CIA, | |
| like you have in the FBI or any other administration. Plus, you're going to have a lot of people who latch, professional officers who latch onto them for careerist purposes, and they're going to parrot the administration. And then you get all of these abuses of the intelligence system, which can lead to all kinds of problems. And how far down do you think, and I keep talking about this with each guest, how far down in the ranks do you have to go before you get to where you're not dealing with swamp water, that mud in the swamp anymore, | |
| where you start dealing with operations officers and people who just want to do the job? How far down in the CIA do you have to go to get there? I think that you'd probably go down. I think if you went down to the most senior, like, quote, working level, if you want, like basically, | |
| let's say the head of the different mission areas, like the head of basically the counterterrorism center or the head of the Iranian section, like at that level, you're going to deal with the people who are dealing with the nuts and bolts of operations and all. And I guess their equivalents on the analytical side of the CIA, | |
| because that's the side I know about, but I was not working in. But anywhere above that, you start getting the people who basically were maybe elevated to their position because of their political affiliation, because they were too much of a, they maybe were a kiss up. And of course, there's always some genuine performers in there. But you get people who become creatures of that administration. And so as you've been saying on the show, it's paramount that President-elect Trump, that he, that he basically, | |
| he's allowed like about 6,000 appointed positions throughout the federal government. He's got to replace all 6,000. If he can appoint 6,000, he needs to appoint 6,000, not 5,000, not 4,000, because the people who remain embedded, in this case, would be Obama administration people, they will work to undermine his presidency. Right. Yeah, I find it very, very interesting because the thing that President Obama ran on, which was hope and change, | |
| he changed things for the worse and destroyed hope, and there's no unity at all. People are not willing to get behind a president that has positive things to say and has an aggressive move towards American exceptionalism to make us great again. I don't get that. You're right. It's amazing. I mean, like in the early, you know, I'm old enough, I'm 52, so I was a teenager when Reagan was elected, and I voted for him. But I'm old enough to remember that, for instance, when Reagan was debating Carter, he could just ask the simple question, | |
| are you better off now than you were four years ago? And that was one main reason why he won, because people could honestly look at themselves and say, no, I'm worse in this inflationary environment of Jimmy Carter. I'm voting for Reagan. But now you have someone like Trump, who, thank God, won the election, who's constantly going around pointing out the errors that have been made, et cetera, and appealing to people's pocketbooks. But even so, like in a way, you would have expected him to win almost everyone's vote, | |
| because certainly Hillary Clinton wasn't offering that. So our education system, everything has distorted people's views so much that sometimes people can't even seem to detect what their own best interests are anymore. If you had, if Mr. Trump was right here right now and you could tell him and he said, Scott, what are the three things, the biggest three things that you think I could do to affect change in the CIA or what needs to be changed, what needs to be upgraded, | |
| what do we need to do to make it work more efficiently? What would you tell them? I think they might have to look at the way the CIA is organized or reorganized. It was reorganized shortly after I left in 2014. It was organized along more functional lines instead of geography. And it's always hard to cut it up, | |
| divide up and determine your organizational framework. But I think that they may have made a mistake by going into basically running everything like they do counterterrorism. We're going to have a Russian cell where they integrate analysts with operations officers. And that sounds good on paper, | |
| but often doesn't translate very well in theory. That's certainly one of the main things I'd say. Let me say one thing. Let me say something that not to miss up your train of thought, but the same thing happened in the FBI where they, | |
| instead of taking seasoned criminal investigators and putting them in charge, they took people that are at the higher levels already up there in the SAC, the special agent in charge levels. They put them in charge of terrorism when they haven't done a case in forever. And they put them at the top. And what do they do? They start changing this whole thing and listening to the wrong people. And then before long, | |
| they start taking new agents straight from the academy and putting them in terrorism investigations instead of making them learn the craft of investigating on the criminal side. And so that has hampered our ability to investigate because they just don't have the seasoned investigators in there. They're not taking their word for what needs to be done. And there's a lot of the same kinds of Mistakes have been made in the CIA. By embedding analysts, | |
| for instance, with operations officers, what I found as an operations officer is suddenly everyone thinks that they're an operations officer because they're going to start telling you how to do your job, even though they have no operational experience. I'm sure you're familiar with that. These are real problems. I think, and like the FBI and the CIA, I think, if you have a president who is actually concerned with really truly defending the nation, | |
| I think it may take a while, but hopefully that will embolden the real performers in any given agency to know that management is pulling for us and we need to do our job because the morale in all of these agencies now is poor because the people, | |
| certainly the performers, sense that the leadership doesn't have their back. I mean, there have been abuses like in Special Operations Command, they had almost a mutiny of 40 Army and military analysts who were being told to doctor their ISIS reports because they weren't saying that ISIS was on the run. They were reporting what they thought was the truth and it was being kicked back from upper leadership. No, | |
| you need to change this Intel analysis. And now that's crazy and that'll destroy a country's intelligence capability. That is exactly what happens when we put these people that we're talking about in a position of authority. It's really, it's really, I don't think most people realize the way the federal government is set up in that, and I say this all the time, my buddy who was a cop in New Jersey said that you could take two crack addicts that have never been to a city before, you can take them and put them on, | |
| introduce one to the city on the north and one in the south, and within two weeks, they will find the same people and probably meet at some point. And that's what happens in the Bureau and the CIA and definitely in the VA system is crack addicts get at the top and they introduce other people that think the same way as they do incompetently. Right. Yeah, | |
| and you see, and you start seeing things like, look at the Secret Service. They've been battered by scandals now for the past several years. And as you start placing in leadership positions in these different organizations, political appointees, political hacks, then the quality of that agency goes down and morale goes down amongst the performing officers in that organization. So now you have the Secret Services constantly making errors that just everyone, | |
| every American is scratching their head wondering what's going to happen next. And all of our agencies and bureaus are subject to the same kind of thing. Now with Mr. Trump in control, I think it's going to be changing for the better. Yeah, let me ask you this. Do you think, honestly, because you're an expert on Russia, do you think Russia is a bigger threat to the United States and our own politicians and to our national security? Kid, it's funny. That's a good question. That's an honest question. Honest question. I mean, | |
| what was it? Lincoln always said that our greatest enemy was going to be ourselves. And so we certainly are, I've been chasing Russians my whole life, and you need to very much keep an eye on them. However, certainly things our own people have done in our own government to the United States are at least as grievous as anything Russia has done. And that's a sad commentary. But like, for instance, someone like Putin, a really smart operator, a former operations officer, | |
| is going to, you know, he's, the Russians are always working to, let's say, create, they want Americans and Europeans, Western Europeans, to be disillusioned in their, you know, in their given institutions. And I like to say, well, you know, the Russians want us to do that. Well, | |
| we're doing a very good job of that ourselves. Our press is causing us to become disillusioned with our press and all. And people like Putin exploit these, exploit this, you know, the rise of right-wing parties in Europe, basically a response to this immigration debacle they have. Yeah, he's a trained KGB officer. People forget that. Right. Putin is funding them and giving them support. And who's to say, I mean, | |
| if I was a Frenchman who felt that my country was ignoring my own security needs and I affiliate with Maureen Le Pen or something, and I find out that the Russians are helping to bankroll her, maybe I don't care because I'm a Frenchman with three children and I can't get a gun permit and I'm worried about my kids being killed in the streets. So I don't care where that money's coming from. I'm joining that party. And people like Putin exploit this. Scott, | |
| we got a break right there. Thanks for coming on. God bless you. Have a Merry Christmas. But real quick, 10 seconds, do you have anything that you want to plug at all? How people can find it? Yeah, thanks for that. I just started up a podcast called The Station Chief where I discuss some issues like this. The thing that makes it a little different, though, John, is that my host is actually more of a liberal. So it makes for a little bit more. Now, how do you get a bench program? How do they find it? They can find it on iTunes. Okay. And it's under The Station Chief, my last position overseas. You got it, | |
| buddy. God bless you. This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity. We'll be right back. This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. Again, you can find me on Twitter. I'm getting some unbelievable responses from you all. You can find me on Twitter. It's J Gilliam underscore seal. And then on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam. And I keep kind of pumping this up, folks, | |
| because I've discovered this Facebook Live. I was one of the first people that kind of put together a nightly show. I've done almost 150 nightly shows live. And while you guys are texting amongst each other and to me, I can read those. And then I also take calls. Right now it's on Skype trying to get it fixed where he can do it with the phone. But the reason I point that out is one of the biggest concerns as we talk about this stuff that we've been talking about today is how people, | |
| the normal everyday citizen in the United States, can have a voice. And I really think what you saw with the movement of Donald Trump, not just when he was campaigning, but in his thank you tour, we have to keep that going. Trump is going to have to really buckle down in the White House once he gets there. He's going to have his own issues. It's going to be up to us to continue to have this dialogue. So make sure you give it the best shot, whether it be on my show, The Experts, | |
| on Facebook Live every night, 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, it'll be on tonight, or whether it's, I don't know, starting your own Facebook Live show. We need to bypass the mainstream media, unless one of them ever decides to give me a show. Then we'll transfer over there and I'll give you guys a voice there. But right now, | |
| we need to concentrate on what we can do. So we have to keep the dialogue and the unity going strong. So now, coming up with me now, actually two good friends of mine, Dave Robinson's a former Marine. He's my hillbilly reporter from West Virginia. And Laura Munoz, | |
| she is a Navy veteran. She was an air traffic controller and a public affair specialist in the Navy. God bless you both, and thanks for being with me. Thank you for having us, John. Two beautiful people. All of us veterans, | |
| we're all beautiful people. That's just the way it works. If you serve, you get better looking. So, Dave, I wanted to start with you, my friend. We were talking yesterday on the show about West Virginia is going to be opening up to allow some refugees to come in there, | |
| some Middle Eastern refugees. So tell us a little bit about that and the reality of how bad a shape West Virginia is in and how many people aren't getting the benefits that are American citizens that these people are going to be getting. Well, A group called the Episcopal Migration Ministries. | |
| They're a group that's. | |
| They kind of work under the cover of being a religious group, but they're not. | |
| They're not any kind of nonprofit, They're no kind of charity, They're a government contractor. | |
| Them, and about nine other or eight other groups just like them and about 130 subcontractors under them, are that they're government contractors. | |
| They get government contracts to place these refugees in places. | |
| Now, that's interesting because they use the word episcopal, making it sound like it's a religious thing. | |
| Yeah, well, out of those nine groups, there's about six of them that do that, you know, and they kind of work under that cloak. | |
| But, like I say, they're government contractors. That's all they are. They work on government funds. They just, since 2008, have gotten about $130 million from the federal government doing this. Wow. That is unbelievable. Now, | |
| let's compare and contrast that with the amount of support that citizens of West Virginia are getting, especially after these floods. You say that people are still living in tents there? We still have people here in my hometown here in Greenbrier County who just overflowed over the past summer who are still living in tents. And even in Charleston, | |
| West Virginia, you have people up there homeless up there. There's a place they call Tent City up there. And usually by wintertime every year, they go in there and pretty well make them tear this place down, run all these homeless out of there, | |
| supposedly for their own good so they don't freeze to death. But it's basically so they don't freeze to death out in plain sight. So they're moving all these people out of this tent city with no plan of where to place all these homeless people. But this group with all this compassion for all these people overseas comes in bringing in these refugees, | |
| which would all sound good. You would think the only reason they don't help these homeless people is because they don't get federal grants to help these homeless people. It's a business. They go in here, they lobby politicians to change migration laws, immigration laws to allow more to come in. And the more they get, the more they get paid. And all these groups work in the same way. This is unbelievable because I said the same, not the same thing, but I noticed that with veterans, | |
| and there's only 1% of the population that serves in the military. Why we can't afford to give those people health care and give them the benefits that they deserve from serving is beyond me. But it would almost be better if you're a veteran to renounce your citizenship, go to another country, and then come back in as a refugee, you're going to get everything that you couldn't get after serving, even sometimes in cases as a combat veteran. This one group, 130 million, | |
| and they're not even the top earning group that puts this out there. So, you know, you imagine if they had to put that in there. I have nothing against immigrants, but if you're going to come here, pay your way and come here. Save your pennies. Do what you've got to do. Come here legally. Don't look on us to pack your bags, fund you, | |
| bring you over here. Well, how about this? Part of what these groups do is they go over here and they get them acclimated everything. They put them in schools. They try to introduce them to the community. And they're doing this whole gimmick now for acquainting everybody with Muslim cultures and everything in these areas. Yeah, that worked out real good for Germany. Listen, here's one thing, and I have to say this before we go to Laura and we talk about her thing, is I am sick and tired of these church missionary groups sending people, civilians, | |
| into bad areas where they cannot take care of themselves. I mean, I've had this discussion with people at my mom's church who belong to a missionary group. Mainly what's happening is these nonprofit missionary groups have a ton of people on the board. They make a ton of money. They send people to places like Honduras, | |
| give them big pink or yellow shirts to wear around. So they're targets. They don't teach them security, nothing. What they should be doing is bringing those people, bringing the Hondurans or whoever they're training to come here, teach them how to farm, teach them how to dig holes, teach them how to do medicine, | |
| and send them back so they can police their own land. But what's happening is the reverse with these refugees, where we should be keeping them there. Instead, we're bringing them here. Yeah, so you go to Honduras in the eyes of the Hondurans, every American is rich. So, I mean, you snatch up any of them. You have a heck of a bargaining chip there. You know, we're all wealthy as far as they're concerned. And when you dress everybody up, like you say, | |
| in these big neon green shirts in a group of people who have absolutely no sort of threat assessment knowledge whatsoever, and they're sitting in ducks, and the people who are reaping in the money from this are not the same ones getting their hands dirty. All right, | |
| let's switch over from incompetence to stupidity. And not saying that Laura is stupid, but let's play a clip from Lena Dunham, who is, I think, the poster child now for Webster Dictionary of Stupid. Let's go ahead and play this. I'm an abortion rights activist. It's a huge part of who I am. But one day, when I was visiting a Planned Parenthood in Texas a few years ago, a young girl walked up to me and asked me if I'd like to be a part of her project in which women share their stories of abortions. I sort of jumped. I haven't had an abortion, | |
| I told her. I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women's options, I myself had never had an abortion. And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue. Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman's right to choose, felt it was important that people know that I was unblemished in this department. So many people I love, my mother, my best friends, | |
| have had to have abortions for all kinds of reasons. I feel so proud of them for their bravery, for their self-knowledge. And it was a really important moment for me then to realize that I had internalized some of what society was throwing at us, and I had to put it in the garbage. Now I can say that I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had. Oh, my God. All right, hold on. Hold on before you talk, Laura, | |
| because America has to get their breath. There's like 17 million people that listen to this show regularly. And I can guarantee you that they're all right now either running to barf in a bag somewhere or they're on the floor passed out because of what she just said. I mean, | |
| it's so stupid that you can't defend it, really. Go ahead, Laura. No, I'm just shocked. First of all, I didn't hear the one part earlier when I listened that she said the bravery of these women who have had abortions. I know a lot of brave people, | |
| but I don't know when, you know, a mother killing her fetus became brave. And you're a mother as well. You have a child. I am, and I think I've become more passionate about this issue since becoming a mother. But my biggest concern is not necessarily with her stupidity, | |
| which she is terribly stupid and ignorant, but when did abortion become a rite of passage for a woman or empower women? Or it seems like it's become glamorized almost that abortion is just something that a woman should do and it makes you powerful and smart and educated. And if you aren't supportive of that, | |
| then you are regressive and it's not accepted. I'm just, I'm very confused. Well, there's a lot of unless than politically correct things that are running through my brain right now that I'd love to say. But look, | |
| if Lena Dunham really wanted to do something to do a real report, she should have followed that girl in and literally watched as she got the abortion from the doctor's view. And let's see if she had an opinion that way. And one thing I want to say before I let you talk again is I have a friend who she didn't have an abortion, | |
| but she was pro-choice. And another friend of hers was having, got pregnant and was wondering what to do with it. She sat down, she talked to her, she counseled her, said she'd go with her. She went with her. The girl got an abortion, and it caused this girl to have a nervous breakdown, the one that had the abortion. Those two people never, they don't talk at all anymore. And the guilt, the girl that she's now pro-life, that talked the girl into having an abortion, she's beside herself with this. It's something she has to live with. Well, | |
| I mean, it's a terrible procedure to begin with, and it obviously is going to affect you. I don't see how it can affect you in a positive way. I remember not too long ago, there was a hashtag shout your abortion movement, and, you know, all these Hollywood celebrities came out and said, you know, be proud of your abortion. | |
| This is a wonderful thing, women's right to choose. | |
| They should apply for a job at Planned Parenthood, which is actually, I hate to say this, but I'm kind of torn on Planned Parenthood as a conservative woman. | |
| Well, no, I didn't know exactly what you were. | |
| Go ahead, go ahead. | |
| Okay. | |
| During college, my father lost his job, and we lost our health insurance, and I still had to get yearly exams. | |
| And I would go to Planned Parenthood because I was uneducated on my other options. | |
| I didn't realize there were other local health clinics around that could help me and provide these services. | |
| And I think a big part of what we need to do is educate people and say, you know, you know, there are other options and other places to go other than abortion clinics that can provide these services. I just wish our government wouldn't fund these things. And I really do hope that President Trump can defund parenthood in the future. Me too. One thing that kills me about this is, | |
| you know, I'm a Christian and I believe in the power of the church. And I think that the churches should be more involved with this. I think that there should be, listen, my mom and my stepdad are retired. They work harder now than I think they ever have in their life doing stuff for people. And they have real significance in the community. I'd love to see for churches to offer, | |
| I know people always say, my church does this. Okay, one church here, one church there, but offer a real alternative. Try to offer these women the opportunity to keep the child, to help them learn how to build a house and not build a house, | |
| but how to take care of their home and cook and take care of a child and be a part of their lives. And then the other thing is, why don't we set up tax breaks for hospitals for women who don't have insurance but are pregnant? Well, I wanted the same thing. You know, this topic is close to my heart because my mother and father were told that they couldn't have children. And so they adopted my brother. And his mother, she was a drug addict, | |
| and he has developmental issues that he's had since he was born and all he will have because of this. But I am thankful that his birth mother chose life because I can't imagine my life without my brother. And I wish we could say, | |
| instead of going into Planned Parenthood and promoting abortions, you know, these young girls love them, they're scared. They don't know what to do. They think abortion is the only thing I have. This is my only option. But instead, can't we support them and say, you know what? We're going to help you through this. We're going to offer you counseling. We're going to get you through a healthy pregnancy. And you know what? If you can't take care of that baby at the end of the nine months, | |
| then we're going to help you put that baby up for adoption and find a loving home. So let me ask you guys this. If you had to say something, we got about a minute and a half here. If you had to say something to the youth of America and maybe even the ones who listened to Lena Dunham, | |
| I'll say this with Laura. Laura, what would you say to those women? Be careful who you admire and who you look up to. You know, stop looking at the Kardashians. Stop looking at TV stars. Stop looking at Lena Dunham. Stop looking at Beyoncé. Look at people who have morals and success and how they got there. And mimic them. I mean, | |
| it's quite simple. Oh, listen, that's the first lesson I learned in the military. Be careful who you pick as your hero. Dave, Dave, if you had John Justice who's getting ready to take, or Jim Justice, who's getting ready to take over as governor of West Virginia, if you had the opportunity to talk to him right now, what would you tell him about what's going on with this refugee issue? Just listen to the people around you and take notice of what's going on in the world. I mean, | |
| the people who are inviting all these people in here are all singing the same things that the folks over in Germany and France and everywhere else were. And we're going to pay that exact same price. I mean, I don't want to wait until somebody drives a truckload of, you know, drives a truck into a parade of people on the streets or sets out a pressure cooker bomb out somewhere around here. I don't want to wait until that. We can avoid that now. And avoiding that does not make you a racist or a bad person. Right. Listen, Dave Robinson, | |
| My good buddy, Laura Munoz, my good friend, both are my reporters that report in on my show, THE Experts, on Facebook Live every night at 9 o'clock. | |
| Jim Justice, get a hold of Dave. | |
| Let him be one of your advisors. | |
| Thank you, guys. | |
| God bless you. | |
| The vetting of Obama continues every day right here on the Sean Hannity Show. | |
| This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. | |
| And I'm going to come back in just a minute and start taking your calls. | |
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| the immortal Bob Grant's thoughts about the world today. | |
| Hey, ladies and gentlemen, it's sick and it's getting sicker. | |
| Now, back to the Sean Hannity Show. This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show. And I love it when Linda hands me something to read right as I got to start talking. I'm from Arkansas. We don't do those things at the same time, Linda. It doesn't work out that well. So listen, you can find me anytime I can give Linda a little, you know, jostling. A little nudge. A little nudge. Because she's a Brooklyn, no, | |
| not a Brooklyn. She's a Bronx girl. I'm actually originally from Philly, which seems to confuse everybody. Whoa, that's even better. That should explain a lot of my anger. That's even better. You're the trifecta of anger. Exactly. There you go. And then I married a Polish Puerto Rican, so it's fantastic. Polish Puerto Rican. You never see them in jail. That's because they get away with it. All right, listen, we're going to take some calls here. And, you know, listen, | |
| I'm glad when we have people that call in that disagree or question what I'm saying. And let's go to Megan in Fort Worth. You want to bring her up? We'll go to Megan in Fort Worth. Megan, go ahead and let me hear what you have to say here. Hi, | |
| can you hear me okay? I sure can, Megan. And listen, I want you to know before you start talking, I'm not against you. You're an American citizen. We're going to have disagreements. We're going to have different ideals about the way things are or should be in this country. So don't think that I'm your enemy here. If you disagree with me, | |
| you disagree with me. But let's hear what you have to say. Oh, I don't feel that. I don't feel that way at all. In fact, I've actually been listening to conservative radio for the last few days just kind of out of curiosity and kind of just out of a desire to sort of understand their side of things. You know, | |
| I don't feel any animosity towards you at all. I love that. But listen, here's the thing you got to know about conservatism. I don't even think the majority of people that say they're conservatives realize this. Basically, what it is, is slow to change. It's slow to change. Let's not change things fast. Let's allow the changes to happen in time. That's really basically the biggest thing about being a conservative and no need for revolution. Go ahead. So, | |
| what is the abortion debate? Because when I tuned in, I had just gotten, I was having lunch with my girlfriend, and I had just turned, like I said, this is what my station has just been on for the last few days. And there was a girl discussing abortion and are we glamorizing it? What is the debate? Because the Supreme Court decided 40 years ago, | |
| over 40 years ago, that abortion was legal. So, why is this something that comes up in every political cycle? Well, there's a couple of reasons. One, let's look at the obvious reason. Okay, you can't trust any politicians. Some, not saying all politicians, | |
| but there's a lot of them out there that care one way or the other. They don't care less. They use it as a way to get re-elected. That's the first and foremost. That's the thing. To conservatives or liberals? Both. There's conservatives and liberals that are establishment people that they use this as a platform to get re-elected. You got to remember that. You can't trust everybody that says what you want to hear. That's the first thing. The second thing is there's people who feel strongly that there should be a choice, | |
| right? Well, there's also people who feel very strongly that life should be protected. And I know what you're saying about the Supreme Court. I want you to think about this, though. In the Dred Scott versus Stanford case in 1865, decided in 1857, excuse me, 1856 decided in 1857. The Supreme Court ruled that Americans of African descent, whether free or slave, | |
| were not American citizens and could not sue in federal court. The court also ruled that Congress lacked the power to ban slavery in the United States. So you've got to realize that the Supreme Court is also filled with politicians. That's how they got to that position. So I think that's the problem: we as a citizenry don't take a step back and say, | |
| all right, you feel strongly about this. I feel strongly about it this way. How do we make sense of this? And is it possible that one side is not going to get what they want? If we can't do that ourselves and we leave it up to the courts, | |
| nobody's ever going to be happy. So is what I'm understanding that just because the Supreme Court decided in one case that this should be legal is what I'm understanding that just because that decision was upheld doesn't mean that that decision is where we ultimately need to be. Yeah, | |
| first, you just can't trust everything that the Supreme Court does because it may be politically motivated. We don't need to let these things get to the Supreme Court, is what I'm trying to say. Politicians, you can't necessarily trust where they're going to go with this. The Supreme Court, as I just showed you, | |
| may have a different understanding of the way things should go than really the Constitution even says. And here's one thing I want you to think about. When it comes to life, the Constitution gives us the right to live. We need to forget about that word life and death. The Constitution gives you the freedom to live, | |
| to be the best that you can be, to fail and to succeed. That's what makes our Constitution so great. And that's what eventually did away with slavery. Was the Constitution was still there, foundation of our country in churning and pushing the people forward. That's the same thing when it comes to right to life. Right to life and the right to live is something that should be protected. And it's, I guess, | |
| the people that believe in life are kind of confounded as to why individuals want to stop a life so desperately in certain circumstances where there's no tragedy, there's no medical issue. It's just a form of birth control. So is the stance for people like yourself ultimately that abortion should be absolutely illegal, | |
| except in the cases of rape, incest, or where the mother's life is? To me? To me, that's where the real argument is. That's what I think. I think that's where the real argument should be. And not whether or not they should just be legal or illegal. I think they should be illegal, | |
| except in the cases where there's an emergency circumstance. I think that the protecting of life and the ability to live, I think that's something that all Americans should stand up for. Does that make sense? Well, yeah, and I agree with that. And I'm really not here to offer an opposition to that. I'm really just here as a person that is truly trying to understand. I mean, | |
| I'm a person that has seen that the country has elected somebody that I don't agree with, that I don't, you know, didn't think ever, ever could be elected. And so. Let me give you, I got to go to a break, | |
| but let me give you two. I'm not saying I know tremendous more than you. Let me tell you one thing that you're doing right, Megan. You're asking questions and you're saying why, and you're wanting to find out. You're a seeker. Seekers are the people who make the most of their life and God holds high because you're seeking the answers to life. That's amazing. But let me tell you about Donald Trump and having just left CNN in November, | |
| you need to be very careful of the images that you see of people that are projected on mainstream media. They can manipulate, they can twist and turn things. And it's best that we all do our studying and look at who the real person is as much as we can. But, | |
| Megan, I want to thank you, and God bless you, and I hope you have a Merry Christmas. Sorry, I got to cut you off, but I got to go to a break, and we're going to come back. You're going to have, we're going to have, I may have time for another call. I may just tell a Christmas story. Find me on Twitter, J Gilliam underscore Seal, and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam. And folks, that's how you talk amongst each other. That's how you have dialogue. We'll be right back. The biggest newsmakers, the best coverage, | |
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| And also every night, 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, that's on the weeknights. I take the weekends off. I have my show on Facebook Live called The Experts. And I'd love for you to join me. Megan that just called in from Texas, she should be joining. Anybody that has dialogue or questions should all be joining in the dialogue. Also, you can find me on Twitter at jgilliam underscore seal. And I'd love, | |
| I'm getting some incredible messages here today. And I thank all of you for your insight, whether you agree with me or not. I'd love to hear what your comments are. But here's what I want to do. I'm sorry I'm not going to get to any more calls. But I do want to tell you all a quick story. I told this last night on my show because I want to share with everybody, | |
| because we're close to Christmas, a story about the small, silent voice or whisper of God that's in our heads all the time that we tend to ignore because of our busy lives, because of our jobs or our drama that's going on in our families, because we've heard Lena Dunham say something that's absolutely stupid. But here's what I want you all to hear, | |
| because I know we all have these stories. Maybe you didn't know who was talking to you in your mind. I was working at a gym in Pasadena, California. This is back in, I don't know, like 88, 1988. I'd had a motorcycle crash when I was living with my sister, and she had to move, and I had nowhere to live, basically. So I moved in the gym where I was working, and I lived upstairs in the gym, | |
| 24-hour gym. I don't even know if they knew. I just go throw a blanket down up there on some mats and go to sleep every night and get up and do my shift. And I was in the office one day, and a guy comes in and says, hey, I'm a Marine from Camp Pendleton. I had a big breakup with my girlfriend, and I lost all my money this weekend, and I need to get back down to Camp Pimson. Can somebody give me $20? Well, I'd just gone back to work, | |
| and all I had in my pocket was $20. I kid you not. That was all I had was a $20 bill. And I watched everybody in that office who I knew they had money. They said, no, sorry, we don't have any money. We can't help you out. He went from person to person, and they were kind of wanting to get him out of the gym. And this voice kept telling me, give him your $20. I kept saying to myself, no, | |
| I'm not going to give him that $20. It's all I got left. And I'm not going to get paid for another week. I'm tired of eating beanie weenies and chili every day at the bar next door. So I followed the guy outside. I knew who was talking to me. And I walked up to the guy and I said, hey, listen, here's 20 bucks. And God bless you and thank you for your service. He said, well, give me your address. I'll send it back. I said, no, no, no. That's God's money. God told me to give you that money. Have a good trip. I hope everything works out with your fiancé, | |
| your girlfriend. Never saw the guy again. About five minutes later, I'm sitting in the gym sweating because I don't know where I'm going to get money to eat, and I don't want to have to ask people for money. But I followed what God had told me. I followed that whisper in your mind of what to do. And a few minutes later, | |
| this guy walks by. He's got this t-shirt on. It's got a cross on it. It's about a music group. And I said, hey, I like your t-shirt there, brother. And we started talking. I walked outside talking to him. And I mentioned to him, you know, how important it is to listen to that voice because this is a new lesson that had been pumped back into my brain. And I told him I gave this guy $20. I didn't tell him that I didn't have any more money. I just told him I'd give him this guy $20. And we talked a little bit more, and I said, | |
| nice to meet you. I hope to talk to you again. He goes to walk off. He turns around. He says, you know what? He reaches his back pocket. He pulls out $40. And he hands me $40. And I said, what's that for? He said, God told me to give that to you, and I don't question God. I was shocked. I was shocked because I don't expect that to happen to people all the time. But in an instant, | |
| God had taught me a lesson. And that lesson carried forward my entire career, my entire life, all through SEAL training when things were terrible and men were having to look at their souls and quit right there. I knew that God had told me to be there, | |
| and that if I persisted, that I would be what he wanted me to be. Now, I'm no way, shape, or form the man that he wants me to be. I have my faults, and I still have a long ways to go. But that lesson that I learned in an instant because I listened to that small voice is a lesson that can pay off bigger than any college degree, | |
| bigger than any going to performance of Hamilton and thinking that you know everything. Trust me, folks. Trust me. If you listen to God this Christmas, if somebody says they need something, Help them out. | |
| If you have faith, he'll restore what you have and insome. | |
| And I just want to say, with that, God bless to all the veterans out there that are serving and that have served. | |
| I don't care whether you've been in combat or you used a pencil your entire career. | |
| God bless you. | |
| God bless all the police officers who put their life and deploy every day to protect us. | |
| Thank you to the firefighters and the paramedics and the nurses and the doctors, and to all the people that decided to make a difference this election and go out and vote. | |
| God bless everybody. | |
| I can't thank you enough. | |
| And I hope that you remember to tune into my show, The Experts, on Facebook Live. I want to see you all participate in the dialogue. If you can't do it on my show, do it somewhere. And if you see somebody in need, let's make a difference this year. Let's make a difference this year. The same people that go and go to these Trump rallies and go to his thank you tour, I would expect all of you to step up to the plate, | |
| protect this country, and help out those that don't have anything. That's the way we're going to win the hearts and minds of the liberal left. That's the way we're going to defeat the new communism. And that's the way we're going to make America great again. You want smart political talk without the meltdowns? We got you. I'm Carol Markowitz, | |
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