Sean Hannity Show - Immigration Crisis - 11.23

Nov. 24, 2016 - Sean Hannity Show

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Immigration Crisis - 11.23

Jonathan Gilliam fills in for Sean and is joined by Jessica Vaughan, Director of Policy Studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, who shares thoughts on how President-elect Donald Trump should handle our country’s immigration crisis. The Sean Hannity Show is live Monday through Friday from 3pm - 6pm ET on iHeart Radio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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	This is an iHype Podcast.
	Let not your heart be troubled.
	You are listening to the Sean Hannity Radio Show Podcast.
	This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
	And it's almost Thanksgiving, folks.
	Great to be back here.
	Those of you that don't know who I am, and uh I'm surprised there's still people that don't know who I am.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm actually very humble.
	I'm a former Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal, security contractor, and FBI special agent here in New York, and a serious XM Patriot channel fill-in host for David Webb, Andrew Wilkow, Sean Hannity, and as I made the mistake of saying uh two days ago, uh, Andrew Webb.
	Nobody knows who that is, but I guess it's a combination of David Webb and Andrew Wilkow.
	So we got a lot to talk about.
	It's uh this is the first time I've been uh back on this show.
	Uh actually it's a second time.
	I was on once for a guest since uh Trump won the campaign for president of the United States and is now the president-elect.
	And um it's I've kind of structured this show uh in a way to bring subject matter experts on here to inform not only the American people, but listen, I'm not a Trump uh surrogate, I'm not uh an advisor, so I'm gonna try to bring on as many subject matter experts as I am to get the word to him of what we feel.
	Now, first and foremost, we, when I say we, I mean the American people.
	I mean, look, this is a fact.
	The American people were the lobbyists that won this election.
	It wasn't some lobbyist group from Washington, D.C., it wasn't uh, you know, different people that have special interests.
	We have one special interest.
	The people that elected Donald Trump this time had one main special interest, and that's freedom.
	That's the Constitution.
	We did have a uh sub-interest in that, and that's getting rid of Hillary Clinton and the uh the whole Clinton organized crime syndicate, which as of now, their money base and their ability to maneuver has been slowed down.
	Don't think that they're gone.
	In fact, um I do a show every night, 9 p.m. on Facebook Live on my uh Facebook page, Jonathan T. Gilliam.
	It's called The Experts, have a great group of loyal listeners, and I, you know, one day I was sitting there, the show was about to begin, and it was the night out it was the night after, I think when Hillary Clinton came out and gave her uh her speech about uh her conciliatory speech.
	She waited a day to do that.
	I guess she was having a bit of a fit the night before.
	And as I watched her speak before I did my show, something just went came over me, and I wrote down a few words, and I wanted to share those words for you here today as we get started, because I think it's important for the American people to realize something that warriors like myself, the people that are out there listening, the the one percenters, the true one percenters that serve in the military, one percent of the population.
	We know that when you win a victory, you don't go back to sleep.
	And today, one of the things I'm gonna talk about is the biggest national security threat that we have in this country.
	And I'll just I'll just be honest with you.
	I'm gonna put it on us.
	I'm gonna show you how it leads up to that, but the reality is the American citizenry going back to sleep is the biggest national security threat that we have in this country.
	So with that, here's the here's what I wrote down that day.
	And forgive me if it's a little bit poetic, but yeah, I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.
	So here we go.
	That dominating arm of the corrupt and controlling deceivers is desperately flexing their muscles, trying ever so hard to push back that which makes America great.
	What we have seen over the past year and what we are seeing now in the streets, on TV, online, and in the whispers of gossip.
	That is America's enemy.
	For those of you that think the fight is over and that it's okay to fall back asleep, rest not.
	For our fight has just begun.
	Sleep not, rest not, and trust not.
	For the serpent is tightening its grip A while longer.
	But now, the difference from yesterday is that we know who the serpent is.
	Although the head has many faces, politics, media, science, activists, big money, its message is clear.
	That great serpent does not do its own bidding either.
	In fact, it was it uses us.
	It uses the earth.
	It uses the people like the moon uses the tides of the ocean to control the inhabitants of the earth.
	However, like the tides show us the power of the moon, so does the serpent and its minions show us the opposite of good.
	And so they expose the good in our own hearts.
	We are the good guys, the white hats, the victors of honor that rule the arena of freedom.
	Fall not back to sleep, America, and rest not.
	When the war is over, we can sleep.
	And this war has just begun.
	So I hope you I hope you feel that.
	I hope you understand what I'm trying to convey in those words that I after I watched Hillary Clinton give her speech, and I looked at her and Bill Clinton and then reflected on the Make America Great movement that Trump gave a voice to Trump gave a voice to us.
	I don't know what he's going to do over the next four years.
	But I do know what he allowed to happen because he stepped up to the plate over this past year.
	He gave us a voice.
	And so it's time for us to step up to the plate and stay on this.
	And one of the things that I talk about nightly on my show, The Experts on Facebook Live, 9 p.m.
	Is that dialogue is the beginning of unity and unity is the biggest cannon we could ever find to take out that enemy.
	I mean, you saw that, folks.
	You saw a movement over the past year, a movement that was already inside the majority of America.
	We know something's wrong.
	And so we started to have dialogue.
	As Trump went around the country, as the news skewed their reporting, as they started colluding, well, they've always colluded with the Democratic Party, sharing information for the debates, making fake news.
	I don't know where Mark Zuckerberg's going with this fake news thing on Facebook.
	Why didn't he turn the TV on and look at CNN and MSNBC?
	You'll see plenty of fake news there.
	Why don't they stop that?
	But as this stuff started becoming known to us, the voice that's inside of us started to grow.
	And so did the dialogue.
	People would go to these rallies, they would go home and talk.
	They would go to the rallies, they would see these people coming in there and causing trouble, they would watch on TV, and it would be reported as though it was their fault.
	When it was really plants as Project Veritas exposed, plants by the Democratic Party?
	And have you noticed that no matter what rules they break, what laws they break, as far as campaign laws, nobody gets in trouble for that.
	Nobody gets convicted of anything.
	Thank you.
	Now, if you and I did that, it'd be totally different.
	We'd go to jail.
	But what was exposed to us was this two-class system that we have in this country.
	Now, you may think that the middle class is one group and that the lower class is another group.
	That's economics.
	you When it comes to the judicial system, which I worked under and swore an oath to, the reality is there are two classes.
	There's the ruling party, and then there's the rest of us.
	The ruling party doesn't live by the rules.
	We do.
	They don't get punished.
	We do.
	And that was exposed to us.
	That was exposed to us over the past year of this presidential campaigning and election process.
	And so I say to you, America, now as we go get ready to go to break, do not fall back asleep.
	Trump did a great thing.
	But what's going to make America great is you and I. We can have a great leader, but it's going to take the people.
	It's going to take the people to come together.
	And let's be honest.
	Mr. Trump gets up there and gets guided in the wrong direction by these politicians.
	Well, it's gonna take our voice to straighten that out.
	Let's take a break.
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	The whole world is watching.
	Black lives matter.
	Everybody, her choice.
	Donald Trump is going to kill me.
	Donald Trump, go away.
	Go away.
	Donald Trump go away.
	Anti-Saxist anti-gay!
	And white supremacy.
	and white supremacy Trump!
	Don't Trump!
	Not my president!
	Not my president!
	Not my president.
	Not my president.
	As you can hear, there are chance of not my president.
	Also chance of Mike Pence, the vice president elect along with Donald Trump.
	I'm also seeing um L D B C flags, signs that say unity and love.
	Um I don't even know what you call it.
	So there you go, folks.
	That you know, these people are chanting not my president and this and that about Trump, uh, and that he hasn't even gone into office yet.
	I can imagine that by January fifth they're gonna be like, no, no, my president It's gonna be bad.
	And good.
	But listen, what you're listening to right there, I'm gonna give some of those people the benefit of the doubt that they have um their hearts are in the right place.
	They want to do what's right, but they're being they're sheep.
	They're being led by trained operatives of a subversive group, which I I was on uh Bill O'Reilly's show last night talking about um the reality of Marxism and communism.
	And people were blown away about this uh when that wasn't why I was initially on there, but when I was talking about Black Lives Matter and Mayor de Blasio here in New York being com and a lot of Marxists and communists at the top of those groups and Mayor de Blaso is a communist, people were tweeting me saying communism is dead.
	Well, I have somebody uh on the show that's going to disagree with that.
	Uh David Horowitz, he's uh Freedom C uh Freedom Center and former communist activist joins the show now.
	Uh and I brought him on begin I was talking to Lauren, we were booking guests, and she she suggested David, and when she told me about him and I started looking to it, I th I'm amazed, and I can't think of somebody better to talk about what I think is probably one of the biggest national security threats that we have, the subversive tactics of the left and how Solinski's rules for radicals shape the modern day Democratic Party.
	Most people are completely skipping over this threat.
	So David, thanks for uh for being here and uh your story is fascinating.
	Well, thanks for having me.
	I w I I don't think you should give too many of these people the benefit of the doubt.
	Um problem is that our school systems from kindergarten through graduate school have been turned over to the communist left.
	And I use that as you know my parents were communists, so I use that advisedly.
	These people youngsters are taught to hate America.
	Um they're taught that uh some of them don't even uh know that um America's not the only country that has slavery.
	In fact, America is the country that liberated the slaves.
	Right.
	Every black American, every black in this country owes his or her freedom to America.
	Um and it's ironic and very sad that the we have now the biggest racist movement in America.
	Well it's it's interesting is is black lives matter.
	Exactly and that's one thing that I think that people don't realize.
	They they think in order to take over a country or to cause disruption you gotta come in guns ablazing like Red Dawn or like uh Hitler did in World War Two.
	But what you really have to do in a country that's free is go in and secrete yourself into the education system into Washington DC, and eventually you'll cause a big enough problem and a big enough shift in the population, which they've done.
	That's actually the entire message of Sol Olimski's rules for radicals, which is the guide for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama was trained as an Alinsky activist.
	The National Education Association recommends it as a guide for its organizers.
	That's the biggest union in America, the teachers' union.
	And Alinsky, I I mean, I remember Olinski when I was a radical, and we the one redeeming feature that radicals um had in the sixties was that they told people what they wanted.
	I mean, our chance were we want a revolution and we want it now up against the wall, uh um and y things like that.
	Bring the war home, the Vietnam War, bring it home.
	These were um terrible slogans, but they warned people what we were about.
	And Olinski's book was written as a critique of the new left.
	He says in the book that the new left was right to want to burn America down.
	That that's who Alinsky was.
	That's who Hillary Clinton's mentor was.
	He wanted to burn the system.
	But new leftists were stupid to telegraph that they did this past year was they big time telegraphed it.
	So Alinsky's argument uh was to infiltrate the Democratic Party, conceal your agendas, just push push the envelope just as far as it might go.
	So, you know, when you wanna have government control of everybody's health care and all the information that goes with it and and the ability you want the government to control whether you can extend your life or not by getting um, you know, operations or what have you.
	That's not the way they sold it.
	They sold it by lying.
	If you keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.
	Um they didn't say they were gonna have death panels.
	It was very shrewd uh of uh Sarah Panlin to point that out.
	Of course, when the government controls health care, it's gonna be rationed.
	Let me uh let me let me ask you this, because uh we we have a limited amount of time and you're so fascinating we do a whole show with you.
	Um how did how did you oh so you you kind of grew up in communism, but how how did No, let me scratch that thought.
	What do they hate about the system?
	Let's start with that first and foremost.
	What do they hate about freedom?
	I got used to get asked this all the time.
	Um how can you hate America?
	That that's the real question.
	And of course, if you look at the world as it is and all the countries in it, you America is the most tolerant best place on earth.
	And the evidence of that is all the people who want to come here, all the Haitians, all the Mexicans, all whatever.
	People want to come here because it's the best place on earth.
	But that's not the way the left thinks.
	The left has this fantasy.
	Uh they call it these it used to be called communism and socialism, now it's called social justice.
	That there's gonna be a world of perfect equity, everybody's gonna be equal.
	Uh there'll be no racism, no sexism, no, you know, on and on like that, no war, no borders.
	That's their vision.
	And compared to this, it's really a vision of a heaven on earth.
	I mean, always tell people that the left is a crypto religion.
	It's it's modeled on Christianity.
	The world is a fallen place.
	There's gonna be a redemption.
	And the difference between the left and and and a true religious person is that uh somebody who's truly religious understands that the problems of the world are created by us and can't be fixed by us.
	It's interesting it's interesting you say that because in the beginning, after I watched Hillary Clinton give her uh her spill the day after she lost, uh I wrote this uh poem and uh what came out is I'm writing that poem is a serpent, the serpent, and because I look at the at communism, and people are still amazed that I'm talking about communism.
	They think that communism is dead.
	But I look at that as the great deceiver.
	Communism is the great deceiver.
	Exactly right, and the deception you remember what the serpent says in the garden says to Adam and Eve, eat of that tree and you shall be as God.
	That's right.
	And that's what the left thinks of themselves.
	They think they're gods, they can recreate the world.
	And that's why they're so dangerous.
	They're s they're what I call social redeemers.
	Let me say something to that too.
	Let me say something to that real quick.
	If you notice in the Garden of Eden, Satan himself didn't eat of the apple, right?
	He convinced them to eat of it, and that's exactly what's happening here.
	They're convincing these people that you'll be like God when in reality the only people in a communist world that are like God or the uh they're not like God, but they're that rule, uh, are the people at the top.
	It becomes a complete class system of the haves and have nots.
	Right.
	Unfortunately, leftists don't look at reality.
	And once you understand they're delusional.
	Can you convince them?
	Look at what the Democratic Party is doing now.
	Yeah.
	It's failed.
	Obama, eight years of Obama, everybody except the very rich got poorer.
	Um it's a disaster, uh Obama's eight years.
	Um and the Democrats are are now, you know, they're a bi coastal party, they've been they're facing utter ruin under Obama I can't remember how many senatorships, governorships, thirty-three state legislatures they lost.
	And what's their response?
	Their response is to uh uh support Keith Ellison, a Farrakhan racist, Jew hater, and uh protege of the Muslim Brotherhood to be the DNC chair.
	They're their answer is to go further left.
	They're delusional.
	That's people have to understand that.
	That's why groups like uh Black Lives Matter, if you look at their top uh echelon, or they're Marxists.
	They follow the same exactly look at all the black people they've gotten killed, not to mention brave officers.
	Right.
	I mean, every time the you know, the w in the last year there were the shootings of officers, the chief of police was black.
	Right.
	I mean, w what what are these people and these people talk uh Americans white supremacists.
	Anybody who says that should be put in a in an institution.
	I'm not a prison, but uh mental institution.
	Now listen, I only got a few minutes left, and I I I think America needs your advice.
	Is there any way because we have you know largely half the population voting population in this country um have fallen prey to this serpent?
	How do how does somebody like you see the light?
	How did you what happened and how do we convince you?
	I'm not a good example because uh what happened was the Black Panther Party murdered a friend of mine, uh-huh and uh it happened at the same time that the left was victorious in Vietnam, forced America's withdrawal, and two and a half million poor Indo Chinese were slaughtered by the communists.
	There were no protests from the left, because the left was never it's not an anti-war movement, it's an anti-America movement.
	Right.
	Uh the what what's necessary is that for conservatives to come out of the woodwork and start standing up.
	I mean, Trump has given a you know a really good model of just staring them down and going in their face.
	People are have until now been intimidated.
	They don't want to be called racist.
	They don't want to be called deplorable.
	Right.
	But now see that was a ta a tactic of the left.
	When you get called a name, you adopt the name and throw it right back in their faces.
	And that wor it works.
	It works.
	And the other thing they do greatly is uh they make truth.
	So they can take a lie, repeat it over and over again, and create a truth.
	And they're really good at that.
	Well because they control when their control of the schools.
	They also they train the judges, they train the journalists.
	The journalism schools are completely leftist schools, they know conservatives sitting on their faculties.
	Okay, I got one minute I got one minute left.
	Let me ask you is there is there anything we can do um when we sit down with people to convince them otherwise?
	Is it just a lost hope?
	Well some people you can persuade, but uh to me the most important thing is to fight fire with fire.
	The Democratic Party is a party of hate.
	And it's a racist party.
	It's the party that's put racial category uh categories into every aspect of American life.
	It's the party that controls the inner cities.
	All of them.
	All the major inner cities in America, everything that's wrong with them, every oppressive part of them, uh the Democratic Party is responsible for.
	So you just have to turn their guns around.
	Yeah.
	Basically.
	Listen, David, I uh I gotta I actually have on January twentieth, I've got a new book that's coming out called The Big Agenda.
	The big agenda.
	I'm gonna put yeah I'll put that on my uh my Twitter site.
	But listen, I want to thank you, founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center and former communist activist, David Horowitz.
	I'm glad you're on our side.
	Well, I'm I I'm happy to talk to you and uh thank you for your service.
	You got it.
	God bless.
	God bless.
	I don't want to put the clerk before the horse.
	We don't have a strategy yet.
	Let's make two things clear.
	ISIL is not Islamic.
	Did we underestimate uh ISIL?
	I I think that the there is no doubt that their advance, their movement over the last several months uh has been more rapid uh than uh the intelligence estimates and uh I think uh the expectations of of policymakers both in and out of uh outside of Iraq.
	What I do insist on is is that we maintain proper perspective and that we do not provide a victory to these terrorist networks by over inflating their importance and suggesting in some fashion that they are an existential threat to the United States or uh the world order.
	From the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them.
	They have not gained ground in Iraq, and in Syria, it they'll come in, they'll leave, uh but you don't see the systematic march by ISIL uh across the terrain.
	They're a bunch of killers with good social media.
	Long way from when you described them as a JV team.
	Is that well, is that bad intelligence?
	No, you're a misjudgment.
	Keep keep in mind uh I wasn't specifically referring to ISIL.
	I've said that regionally there were a whole series of organizations that were focused primarily locally, weren't focused on the homeland.
	You don't believe these people not yet, but they they can evolve.
	Uh we have to make sure that we keep a uh a a clear-eyed view about what needs to be done.
	Uh ISIL is not gonna pose an existential threat to us.
	ISIL has not had a major successful offensive operation in either Syria or Iraq in a full year.
	This is John the Gillan filled in for Sean Hannity on the Hannity Radio Show, and I'm sorry I made you listen to that guy's voice for so long, but I felt it was important for you to reflect on the incompetency of this administration that's going to be leaving.
	Uh and you can compare and contrast that with what is coming into this uh is going to be the next administration, Donald Trump, and um man, I really really hope that General Mattis is the uh the Secretary of Defense.
	That's that's the one pick that I'm behind one hundred percent.
	And uh, you know, listen, folks, it's it's important for you to realize this, and this is another thing that I want to make sure that uh again I said earlier today that the lobbyist group that put President Trump into office was the American people.
	And I want to keep that focus.
	I want r everybody to realize that.
	But I also want Mr. Trump to realize that as well.
	And the American people that were made up of a lot of great subject matter experts.
	And the subject matter experts that I'm about to bring on this show agree with me in a lot of ways that this is not radical Islam.
	This is by and large, the fighters are fundamental Islam.
	And as I said earlier, you have the Muslims who you live with peacefully, not really interested in a fight.
	You have the Islamists that follow fundamental Islam, and they would support a fight by and large.
	They're not going to voice against it, maybe not fight in it.
	And then you have the jihadists, the actual fighters.
	That's the reality.
	You can call it ISIL, Al Qaeda, ISIS.
	Whatever you want.
	It's not radical, it's fundamental, and it's not one group.
	It's a global ideology.
	So joining me now, this is the next step in our national security roundup is Rich Higgins, vice president, intelligence and national security programs, former manager with the Department of Defense DOD combating terrorism technical support office and irregular warfare program.
	And Dr. Sebastian Gorka, probably one of the greatest voices on television and radio, Major General C. Matthews Horner, dis distinguished chair of military theory and at the Marine Corps University and author of the New York Times bestseller defeating Jihad.
	Welcome both guys.
	I'm glad that you're here.
	I couldn't think of two better people to bring on and speak from you know the academic side, the operational side, and overall the re reality, the side of reality, which is not being uh has not been in place over the past eight years.
	So thanks for both of you for being here.
	Hey, John.
	You're very welcome.
	Thanks for having me, John.
	So let me start with um with uh Rich.
	Rich, I want to ask you real quick, you know, you ha said a lot of stuff about the Muslim Brotherhood.
	What do you think?
	And then I'll I'll have uh Dr. Gorka follow up on this.
	What do you think is going to happen now?
	Because you've had in-depth experience with these individuals and the reality of how many of them are have secreted themselves into this administration.
	What what's your prediction?
	What's going to happen now with the Muslim Brotherhood?
	Well, I think the new attorney general is going to have his hands full, uh, getting his arms around the scope of what's transpired.
	Uh I think that the Trump administration will have a laser-like focus.
	Um, you know, the the end of the day where the uh law college professor is setting the table uh and leading from behind, as it were, where he thinks that a weak America is better for the world is you know, it's coming in here.
	And what you're gonna see is uh what we've done is we basically set up a uh reality that is defined by narratives, and and for the Obama administration, what you saw was when your whole reality is defined by narratives, you believe that speaking about him can actually make him stronger.
	Um what we've seen is the Muslim Brotherhood hijack so many of our decisions over the past several years.
	And I think what's gonna happen right now in the immediate near term is they're gonna modulate their message and try and get in with the Trump administration over time, they'll find that ineffective.
	And we could see them either recede, you know, from the political scene here for a while, or more likely line up with the folks like in your last segment, these left with the hard left Marxist elements, and we're already starting to see that on the campuses around the United States.
	Dr. Gorka.
	Quote a certain individual called Rich Higgins, who I worked with at National Defense University, when the enemy gets to control what you're allowed to say about them, they're already winning.
	Well, that changes on January twentieth.
	The censorship, the ideologically driven perversion of the intelligence cycle under the Obama administration will end when the new sheriff arrives, and that's Donald Trump.
	Look at his speeches, look at the Pennsylvania Philly speech, look at the Gettysburg speech.
	We are going to talk truthfully about the enemy, about the ideology of global jihadism, and everybody that propagates it, starting with the Muslim Brotherhood.
	This will be a very, very different White House.
	Now, what do you think uh the chances are of them actually though doing, you know, what any intelligence agency would do uh and secreting themselves in some way in a lower area of policy, perhaps, or um, or joining forces uh in a in a broader scale um with groups like uh disruptive groups like Black Lives Matter and the Democratic Party.
	Well, I mean, John, first off, they already are working with them.
	We see this, you know, from the tactical level at a university where the Muslim Students Association, a Muslim Brotherhood Affiliate Group is working with left-wing agitation groups all the way up to the international level where the organization of Islamic cooperation is working through groups like the OSCE and groups inside the EU.
	They've created this counter state.
	And I think what you'll see them do in the immediate term is from a tradecraft perspective, they'll either go to ground, like you said, and work at the state and local level, you know, maybe avoiding some of the federal exposure that they would have to a group like the FBI,
	and more likely, you know, moving inside things like um textbook reviews and school book content and continuing to shape that narrative that says, you know, Islam has nothing to do with it, Islam is a religion of peace, you don't need to know about this.
	And I think what you know, what Seb was hitting on there is exactly what we're gonna see happen on January 20th, which is at the federal level, you know, the president can control what the federal government does, but this fight has to go all the way down to the state and local and even down to your local school board level.
	People need to have it society-wide, just like we did in the Cold War.
	Yeah, I I think uh I one thing I always talk about is with especially with communism, um, and uh a lot of other different groups, you know, they subvert themselves into groups that people would never even recognize, which is like the PTO, the parent teachers organizations, you know, the school boards, they put themselves in there uh from the bottom up a lot of times, and that's how they don't have to have guns and bullets to uh to really cause disruption and and change things.
	Dr. Gorka, my question now is you know, are we looking is Donald Trump looking at this from a strategic standpoint because that's been the problem, you know, when I was in the military, when I was in the uh air marshal program and even in the FBI, I didn't feel as though there was a strategic plan, which I've talked over and over about again about there's I'd never felt like there was a strategic war plan.
	No, there hasn't.
	There's been a death of a thousand counts in the last fifteen years, even on the Bush administration.
	You talk to people who are inside the machine, uh talk to to people like Rich, talk to the senior uh military officers.
	The fact is we have been without a strategy for 15 years.
	We have we have become the most powerful nation the world has ever seen.
	We are the we are the greatest nation on this earth, but we have been completely tactical in this war because the administration has denied who the enemy is and what they believe.
	This changes.
	Just listen to Donald Trump's speeches.
	Go to the website, look at the plan of action, look at the fact that he talks about radical Islamic terrorism.
	Look at the fact that he talks about the need to destroy the ideology of the jihadists from day one.
	He's got he's got Lieutenant General Mike Flynn, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the most senior military intelligence officer inside the defense establishment.
	That is his national security advisor.
	He's got uh Representative Pompeo who understands the threat implicitly as his CIA director's designate, and then he's got his new AG in in the sessions who likewise understands the need for a strategy.
	So just look, he he is bringing not only the A game, he is bringing the A team, and it will be like a breath of fresh air January twenty first.
	Now I'm gonna I'm gonna play devil's advocate to that, okay.
	You know the m the American people and uh myself included um I'm I'm tired of uh politicians being recycled into cabinet positions.
	Why is it that and again I'm playing devil's advocate here?
	I'm fan of these guys that you're talking about.
	But why is it that we don't have a former CIA guy, you know, managing the CIA uh uh somebody who was an operator in the NSA that worked their way up the system that's that's managing that.
	Why do we have to have recycled politicians put into these positions.
	Look, uh I I have a particular uh uh opinion on this and Rich can give you his.
	Um it's the nature of the beast.
	In a democracy, a cabinet member is there because he represents the political responsibility.
	He's there because the president has chosen him to bear the political mandate for that department.
	You don't you don't really I mean th there is a lot of logic.
	You don't make a general practitioner the Secretary of Health.
	You don't make you know uh an individual who understands the the tactical and operational uh aspects of a particular you know a game warden does become the Secretary of the Interior.
	That individual is there because they bear the political responsibility not the technical responsibility.
	Richard I'll I'll echo that John I'll say they do bear the political responsibility and for the listening audience take close attention to who they bring in as their deputies.
	Correct.
	The the de the deputies are going to be the people who make the institutions run day to day.
	Gotcha.
	While the director's function is the political leadership and frankly they have to make the deals around Washington resources allocation priorities.
	So that they have to play in that political sphere it is the deputies who will execute the mission day to day.
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	But I you know I understand that and it's funny that you say that because that was always my biggest gripe with the FBI.
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	I'm bringing Jessica Vaughn on right now.
	And what I want to talk with Jessica about, she's a director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies.
	And I want to get into, you know, there's been a lot of stuff in the mainstream media, of course, about Donald Trump going back on his pledges and saying all this thing.
	They're spinning all this stuff up now.
	There's no evidence of any of this stuff of Donald Trump going back on what he campaigned for.
	But I wanted to get Jessica's...
	of her her idea of how President uh elect Trump should handle this.
	I have my own idea which I want to run by uh by Jessica as well.
	So thank you for joining me Jessica.
	Glad to be here Jonathan.
	So what do you think?
	Uh what do you how do you think he is gonna handle the country's immigration crisis um is it going to be in line with what he campaigned on?
	How much compromise is there going to have to be on this?
	Because there will always be some compromise.
	Well, sure.
	Judging by the statements he's made and the picks for his cabinet so far, I think it's clear that what he's going to do is restore enforcement of immigration laws and start working for immigration policies that benefit our nation as a whole and Americans and go after sanctuary cities, for example.
	Let the immigration officers who are responsible for enforcing our law, like the Border Patrol and ICE let them do their job.
	Um you know he I I think that he's going to to end the um efforts to prosecute states and local governments that want to help with immigration enforcement and restore partnerships with state and local law enforcement agencies.
	All of these things are going to mean that we're going to have the rule of law restored in immigration policy and lead to smaller population of illegal immigrants and fewer people trying to get here illegally and and there are a number of ways he can do this through his authority as president.
	I think the first thing he wants to do is rescind all of the improper executive actions that President Obama did that have brought us to the state of immigration anarchy.
	Uh but then, you know, I I have a feeling that he's probably going to want to work for some legislative changes as well.
	But there's a there's a lot of things he can do on his own.
	And as I said, the first thing is to just let the career men and women in the immigration enforcement agencies do their jobs and the catch and release and that's going to make a big difference by itself.
	Now let me ask you this I came up with this idea one actually Rich Higgins that was I just had on talking about uh uh Islam and the uh the threat that that Islam poses and how Donald Trump's going to handle that.
	So I was talking to him a couple of weeks ago about an idea that I came up with for and other people may have come up with a similar idea but I don't I don't under it would be this whole talk about a registry thing started coming up and you know that's going to cause problems as soon as that gets on TV.
	Why would it be a good idea if we came up with a contract for undocumented workers, right?
	We we could call it whatever it's going to make uh the left happy because you have to appease the left some somewhat so we call we come up with a contract for people who are here and can show proof that they've been working and they have to sign this contract and they'll get a workers ID but the contract is very, very stringent.
	And if they break any of the things on the contract, see here's the catch is you sign this contract, you have to follow the law to the T because if you do anything wrong then you're booted out forever, never to come back.
	So is something like that could that be done and why wouldn't they do that where because exactly what you're saying, I have a lot of good friends that are in ICE.
	I used to be an FBI agent and I've dealt with uh illegals and the they need to focus on the bad guys and the one way that we could do that I'm not for amnesty but I am for giving people that are already working uh uh giving them a break but m but making them because amnesty kind of just gives uh you know you're here stay here.
	I'm okay with giving them a break as long as there's a standard that they have to be held to and if they break that stand they're gone.
	That way the ICE guys that belong to ICE, the men and women that are going out there finding these people enforcing the laws that are on the books can focus solely on them and put all their manpower towards that.
	Well I agree that uh sworn law enforcement officers at ICE and um border patrol they you know need to be freed up to focus on the biggest problems the criminal aliens.
	But there's a couple of problems um with what you suggest and one is that first of all a lot of illegal aliens are committing other crimes because the if they're working here illegally they're usually committing ID theft or misrepresenting themselves or you know other problems.
	Right.
	So that in itself on a practical level makes it difficult.
	But the main problem is that they are here working in jobs that unemployed Americans and legal immigrants should have first access to.
	So I don't think that there may be a point in time when we can move to some kind of legalization for certain illegal aliens who are here, but we cannot do that until enforcement is restored so that we won't repeat the mistakes of the past once, where the amnesty came at the beginning and then the enforcement promises were never met.
	We need to restore enforcement first, make sure that's working so that the anyone who is legalized is not replaced by more illegal immigrants who come in with the expectation of eventually getting amnesty.
	So I don't want to say that's completely off the table but you know we need to recognize first of all that illegal immigration is not this benign thing that does you know it disadvantages Americans and legal immigrants in the workforce and secondly it you know we we have to do things in the proper sequence to make sure that it actually helps solve the problem.
	See that sequence there is and I agree with everything you're saying.
	That sequence though is where I'm concerned because from a law enforcement perspective if you can get certain people to come out and expose themselves and say this is who I am and give them uh g that not not only are you giving them an opportunity but you're also now you can track them.
	Now you have their fingerprints now you have uh you know, you you have them on contract.
	The the problem I'm seeing with this whole process is what you're talking about, the process of not going too far too fast one way, and then the other problem is the resources and manpower to go and get the bad people and the people who are breaking laws.
	I mean, at what point at what laws do we say, okay, we're gonna forgive this.
	If you have a fake ID, bring that in, you're gonna surrender that and we're gonna give you a real ID.
	I mean, something like that.
	But there the ICE and uh the other agencies are just gonna be so overloaded.
	And what's crazy is in the cities where there's the most illegal aliens is where they're gonna have the hardest time because the city officials just won't cooperate.
	Well, yeah, I can understand that.
	Um the sanctuary cities need to be dealt with because these policies are uh ha a hazard for public safety in the community, and they're you know, we need to uh um stop the obstruction of enforcement that's happening in these cities.
	Um and there are you know uh uh IC there are ways that that ICE resources can be used very effectively to go after the two million criminal aliens that we know are in the country already and deal with other high priorities like people who've been deported before and um people who've committed crimes who have skipped out on their hearings so they don't have a conviction.
	I agree that that the law enforcement resources need to be focused on that, but there are ways to process them quickly that don't take a lot of resources.
	What really needs to happen too is we need to have work site enforcement that can be accomplished through a combination of payroll audits and um having the Social Security Administration and the IRS work together to ferret out who's working with fake um IDs and and to you know take action against the employers to create a disincentive for people to come in here.
	If people can't get a job, they're not gonna come illegally or at least it's gonna cut way back on it.
	So if we if I also focuses some resources on work site enforcement, then some people are gonna leave on their own and they'll be able to devote most of their agent time to the ones who are really a threat to public safety.
	So a combination of the two approaches is gonna work.
	Plus, you know, an entry-exit tracking system to deal with the overstays.
	Um so, you know, I anybody who had this idea that a Trump administration was going to have ICE agents out on the street patrolling and you know knocking on doors to try to remove every illegal alien is just repeating Hillary Clinton's cartoon version that she wanted people to believe.
	That's not how it in immigration enforcement works best, and that's not what the plan is, as far as I can see.
	There are a lot better ways to do it that are you know would be better stewardship of taxpayer resources.
	And at some point I imagine there probably are gonna be be people who are now here illegally who are allowed to stay, but you know, we just we have to get to a point where the you know the laws are being enforced before that can happen.
	Well, now I so I agree, it's funny because we're agreeing on all the same things.
	I think we're just looking at the at the schedule in which a lot of these things are done because one of the other things I'm looking at here is that there's gonna be so much disruptive behavior against Trump for everything that he does.
	That we can expect, yeah, exactly.
	And any any extent that we can lessen that because the disruption is gonna be it may not disrupt him, but it's gonna disrupt the the people and the movement that has grown of the awakening American uh conservative in this country.
	So I just uh you know, I have to say I I think that there's a a way there to because I worked uh in and around I'm not gonna go into great detail when I was in the FBI, but uh I worked in and around a lot with um illegals and uh pulling them in and doing mass arrest of a lot of these people that are involved in prostitution and and so and trafficking and stuff.
	And uh I definitely see that the ease in which some places where you can go in, Chinatown, uh other places in big cities where you can go in and literally clean up the whole neighborhood by just walking into restaurants.
	I mean, boom boom boom, you're gonna get illegals all over the place.
	But there's a lot of people that have been here for a long time and they've been working hard and uh while I'm not uh supporting how they got here I'm trying to think of a way to lessen the the chaos that's gonna come from the left and that's why I think this should at least be tossed around.
	I'm not even hearing about something and wording it in a way that makes that appeases them like a contract with uh undocumented workers so yes I I I know what you mean.
	I mean the um the opponents of immigration enforcement are are already you know vowing legal action and saying that you know it can't be done that these people that and Trump's vision is is not gonna succeed.
	I disagree with them.
	I don't think that President-elect Trump should apologize for wanting to enforce the law, but he does.
	I mean, the career people at ICE and the other immigration agencies know how to do this professionally.
	They know what works, and it's not going to happen overnight.
	This population of 11.5 million people didn't arrive overnight.
	We're not going to turn it around in a short period of time.
	there's going to be some attrition that happens.
	and and that's less disruptive for the economy.
	It gives employers a chance to adjust their hiring practices so that they comply with the law and you know there there may be some people who end up being legalized um you know and maybe what we have to do is cut legal immigration levels so that we can absorb any of the people who've been here illegally for a long time interesting being able to stay in the country.
	I mean I that's a that's a possible compromise that I I think would be popular with a lot of people and say okay if all these people are going to end up staying we need to put the brakes on legal immigration for a while um so that we can put a lot of Americans and and other recent arrivals to work in in these jobs that have been held by um illegal aliens for so long.
	It's not you know I I think you know anybody sees that we don't want to do something that's disruptive and um you know harmful to communities.
	Right.
	But we d we do need to restore our policy to the point where it's not harming a m those Americans who deserve a shot at those jobs.
	I got okay I got like fifteen seconds real quick.
	I keep getting this over and over and over George Soros is a real problem for this country.
	Um how can we uh in the federal government go after that guy that I don't know but I do know you know if Senator Jeff Sessions becomes attorney general those lawsuits are are stand a much less chance of success the one so he'll be throwing his money away.
	But I'd like to see that fight.
	Yeah same here.
	Listen, thank you very much.
	Have a great Thanksgiving.
	Jessica Vaughn, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, thank you for being here and we I I do appreciate your insight.
	Thank you.
	Have a good Thanksgiving.
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	West Virginia my West Virginia reporter on my show uh the experts and uh Laura Munoz, a beautiful young woman, former uh uh Navy uh air traffic controller and public affairs well is it public affairs officer or public affairs what would it be?
	Public affairs specialist Johnist there you go yeah.
	Um thank you both and the reason I brought you both on is that and I'll stop talking here in a second let you talk is Laura is younger she's a millennial right on the cuss and I'll say you're on the cusp of being a millennial.
	That's okay I'm 30.
	We can put that out there.
	Dave is Dave is my age.
	Dave's in his forties and um and then I've talked to other people that you know have been in their sixties that served in the military this whole show we've been talking about national security and the dangers to this country and as I said at the beginning the biggest national security threat to this country is when the population goes to sleep.
	A free population that is asleep is a free population that's just waiting to be manipulated by nefarious entities.
	So I felt it was important to bring Laura and Dave on and talk about this thread of service that only 1% of the population actually commit to.
	And what it did to you all, doesn't matter if you're 60 or 30 or 40, what did it do to you to make you see the reality of what freedom is?
	And what has service done, the service that you've gone out there and done, what did it do to you to help you better yourself as an American?
	Go ahead, Laura.
	We'll start with Laura.
	What do you think about the I want to thank you for having me on today.
	And don't be nervous there's only a seventeen million people listening.
	So don't be nervous, okay?
	Go ahead.
	Well, as long as there's not $18 million, I think we'll be okay.
	Get your cut off.
	Honestly, service has really improved my life and my outlook on life itself.
	I hate to admit this, but before I joined the military, while in college, like many other college students, I was a hardcore liberal, Democrat, progressive, whatever you want to say.
	I really thought I knew everything.
	A lot of college students do, and I think that's the problem today.
	After I joined the service and I had a little more experience working with people of different cultures and people from all over the country, my attitude changed just because I feel that I matured and underperformed understood things more.
	I think that's um part of the problem that we have in society especially with college age kids is they aren't really exposed to other people from other parts of the country they live in a bubble on their college campuses or around people who have the same you know group think that they do everyone feels in thinks the same and they don't celebrate diversity as you do in the military where you have people of all religions, all skin colors, um all ethnicities.
	Now Dave, what about you?
	You uh were you uh liberal when you were younger or were you conservative your whole life?
	Uh no I believe everybody's probably liberal when they're younger just because you know right when I was graduating school was when Clint was running you know so he was the one who started the going on the MTV, you know, and trying to appeal to all the kids I you know I'm the cool guy, you know.
	So you know I was uh what uh eighteen at the time you know so I was dumb enough to fall for it too.
	But um how old were you when you went in the Marine Corps?
	I was I signed up when I was eighteen and I was on deferred uh deferred entry so uh I when I actually went to boot camp I was nineteen.
	Gotcha.
	That's young.
	And so what how did it change you this you know once you got in there and you went through you know uh boot camp in the Marine Corps is uh is Not easy.
	And so they they have a an I tell you the Marines have an incredible way of breaking a person down and building them into a Marine, which is why I always say leaders are not born.
	Some le people are born with leadership uh skills, but uh by and large leaders are cre are created through life experiences.
	Yes.
	The Marine Corps does a great job of in uh secreting those life experiences into your brain.
	I think one of the biggest things for me because um, you know, I'm just from a tiny little town here in West Virginia, and you know, we had one Hispanic person in my school, one black person in my school, and a uh an Asian foreign exchange student and a Spanish foreign exchange student.
	So that you know, that was as much as it has, you know.
	I you know, I just did I didn't know anybody, you know, just because they weren't around.
	So you got TV constantly beaten to you.
	Well, this is how this group of people thinks, and this is how this group of people thinks, you know, and they just constantly, you know, divide everybody up and just put you into these little groups.
	Well, the military don't do that.
	You know, as soon as you go in, you're all in there.
	You're all dressed the same, you're all, you know, you look the same, you got the same bad haircut, you've everything about you, and you're all fighting or just whatever it is that you know, working for the same goal.
	So going in there, you know, no those that was my first exposure to, you know, people of other other races, other backgrounds, you know, people who you know just grew up in some of these awful places like Chicago and things, you know, where people would you know, there was gang members and things, and that just kind of blew my mind when especially getting out of boot camp and you start seeing people how leg are when they put on their civilian clothes and the the music they're into.
	But then, you know, you realize that you know you're great friends with these people, you know that you're not really different, and that just that was the biggest change for me, and that's you know what's interesting, you know what's interesting that you're both saying there is that, and I want the American people to really think about this.
	When you go into the military, and I have the same experience, I went as an officer.
	I was trained by a Marine Corps drill instructor and officer uh and Navy officer candidate school, uh uh John Crouch, who I've had on this program before, amazing leader, and we are taught, whether it's Laura, Dave, myself or anybody else uh that's out there that served, we're taught um standard operating procedures.
	We're taught task organization, we're taught how to streamline things and how to work together.
	And it's it's interesting because the military is teaching in boot camp exactly what you should understand as an American citizen, uh somebody who uh is a free citizen, but because the family uh structure has completely disintegrated in this country, those things are not taught.
	And those are basic human uh any human being that is somebody who uh strives to be the best they can be are gonna learn those things, but they're not taught.
	They're not taught in school, they're not taught uh in the family, and most people, you know, a lot of people, especially in the inner city, don't even have families.
	Laura?
	Yeah, it's a shame.
	I believe that um what is the statistic?
	Nearly seventy-five percent of all African American children are born out of bloodlock.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's hard because is that correct?
	Yeah, but it's unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's a huge unbelievable.
	It's unfortunate too because these children a lot of them don't have father figures in their life, they keep them raised from wrong.
	And not saying that a mother or a single fighter can't teach a child, but it is important to have those two different dynamic roles in order to, you know, raise uh uh, you know, a good child in a lot of the uh these areas.
	And as a single parent such as a mother is busy working all the time and there's not a father around who is watching these children.
	They're getting raised by the street.
	And that is a big another issue that we have uh which is contributing to the crime in here.
	Yeah.
	Dave?
	Yeah, I mean I I agree, you know, they and uh when they're put in that position, you know, and you grow up like that, and it doesn't matter what race you are, you know, but when you're in an area and you grow up like that and you have the media and everybody else constantly giving you a free pass that, you know, oh well you're doing this because of things are so bad where you live.
	There's you know, nobody has any incentive to change any of that to be a better person or you know, anything.
	Right.
	You know what's interesting, Dave.
	You've told me, and I knew I grew up in Arkansas, this very similar circumstances.
	People used to, you know, have their rifles in their trucks, and in your case they would go hunting and carry the guns and put them in their lockers at school.
	Yeah, yeah, quarrel season, you can count on it.
	Yeah, and so the th as the family disintegrated as the politicians, the liberal left and these communists that we're talking about earlier, uh, step in.
	The first thing they want to do is get rid of the guns or come up with any any excuse to get rid of uh the freedom of uh to bear arms.
	Um it's it's so interesting how and I'm sure I don't know if that's the way it was with you, Laura, where you grew up, but uh you know, it was just a way of life and responsibility of firearms and responsibility and understanding of why you could carry those things was just part of who you were.
	It was like that where I grew up.
	Actually, um I'm not sure where Dave is from in West Virginia, but I'm from the Mahoney County area, which is youngstown, Ohio, and we're only a good twenty, thirty minutes from West Virginia.
	So I grew up in a rural town in Colombiana County, which we didn't even have a satellite in our town.
	Our highlight was a very clean.
	Hey, we got one.
	I I didn't have a lot of diversity in my school system either.
	I graduated with about fifty-nine kids in my graduating class.
	I don't believe we had any any uh black children, any Asian children, any anyone besides white people.
	And so it was actually a a great experience for me to go to college and be in the military so I could meet people and learn about people from different cultures because I didn't get that where I was growing up, and they also didn't understand our um how am I saying our interest in hunting and and carrying guns.
	It was nothing to us where I'm from, but it was a very big deal, and carrying guns to them was different than it was to us in a rural town.
	Right.
	That that that's a big thing too, you know, because um you know, it wasn't just my getting out here and seeing these people, you know, it's the people that I were friends with, you know.
	They never imagined they'd be friends with some, you know, guy from a hick town in West Virginia, you know, and you can always spot military guys when you go out of town because they all dress so different, you know.
	You got this guy who's got you know, cowboy boots on and a fifty gallon hat, and another guy's got his big pants on and everything else at a hat cock sideways is hilarious to see, but yeah, it's funny because w you would never catch people that are uh that look that different together.
	Normally the guy with a hat would be with somebody with a hat and vice versa.
	Listen, I got about uh thirty seconds left.
	So real quick I want to ask both of you.
	Um what what do you want the American public to know about service real quick about thirty seconds to fifteen seconds each go ahead.
	Go ahead, Dave.
	Oh, I was gonna say, ladies first.
	Um well, I think it's important, you know.
	I think it's it grooms leaders, and you know, whether you're you don't have to be a somebody's gonna be a CEO in a company or you know, even the president, but just a leader and community or a leader in your family.
	Laura, go ahead.
	It just teaches you to work with one another just like our politicians said in Washington DC.
	You're not all the same, you don't agree the same, but you have to have a one common goal for the American people, and that is to get things done.
	Awesome.
	Look, I gave him five game 30 seconds and they did it.
	Thank you both.
	God bless you.
	Have a great Thanksgiving.
	Laura Munoz and Dave Robson, two American hero veterans.
	Thank you.
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	But um that's okay, because I'm here right now to thank you in person, and that was my biggest dream.
	And I wanted to thank you because through you and your organizations, my son, who's Mexican American, seven years old, through your organizations and just being able to stand on that stage with you back in 2005.
	The outpouring of love that came from that um ultimately provided my son when he graduates high school with a um a full ride to college.
	And you know what, we'll do we're gonna watch him.
	You're gonna watch him, Danny.
	We're gonna be watching you, boy.
	Okay, but you're gonna hopefully be around.
	You're not gonna have to have anybody watching.
	You're gonna hopefully be around.
	Those doctors are gonna be so wrong.
	And my helping you.
	Man, I love that.
	I love the fact that that he said how to uh besides her beautiful heart, uh the fact that he said we're gonna be watching him.
	I mean, that's that is a leader.
	That's awesome.
	I mean, that that kind of choked me up a little bit there.
	Um that was uh in case you don't know who that was, that's Melissa Young, the former uh Miss Wisconsin contestant uh who is suffering from an incurable illness caused by uh actually a doctor's negligence.
	And um her her health has taken a turn for the worse.
	Uh and um coming on with me now to to talk more about this.
	I didn't get to meet her election night.
	I was really looking forward to meeting her, but I didn't get to meet uh Melissa.
	But uh Rose uh Tennant, who is the host of Rose Unplugged, who have been on her show incredible woman, incredible show.
	Um you know Melissa personally, and um you all have set up a GoFundMe page and they can everybody can find that at the top of Hannity dot com.
	So if you're touched by that like I am, uh go and and help um help them out and help Melissa out.
	But Rose, tell us more about uh what's going on and about Melissa.
	Jonathan, how are you?
	I'm good.
	Good to have you on.
	Yeah, you know, it's interesting because you and I were having coffee and I was checking my email when we were in the city together um uh not so long ago, and I was checking my email and that's when I found out that I did in fact get a ticket to the victory party for Melissa, and I have to tell you, Jonathan, that was that was something that she had all hoped all along that she would be able to do.
	She helped make that happen.
	She helped make that happen.
	I was happy to.
	I was happy to do that for her.
	And um, she was thrilled, and she was her her image was plastered all over the Daily Mail, the um CNN, Ross, Judge Perino's show.
	All you could see was her static reaction to um his win when Hillary conceded, and she was holding a women for Trump sign, and Jonathan, I was so happy.
	I think if I have ever done anything in my life that made me proud, aside from having a child that I absolutely adore, it would be that moment, knowing that she was able to experience that in person.
	And you know, the thing is, and and and um why this is relevant to the show that you're doing today, and you're doing a great job, by the way.
	I've been listening.
	Thank you.
	Um the reason this is relevant is for uh well, there's a number of reasons.
	Uh and and in fact, there's a story that um I I contribute to Spectator.org, the American Spectator.
	And there's a beautiful story there if you have a chance, and much of it's in her own words and and the rest is in mine.
	But at Spectator.org, I have to do a search for Melissa Young.
	But Melissa, you know, is one of those Trump supporters that just never gave up.
	And she decided that she wanted to go public with her support and make it known that, especially during a time when he was being uh criticized, when he was being challenged uh on his pizza position on women, and she knew better.
	She knew the kind of man he was.
	She understood and experienced firsthand how he treated women.
	So she felt it was her obligation to speak out on behalf of Mr. Trump.
	And so she did from the beginning.
	But as a result, we she's had death threats, and the last time I was on with Sean, you know, we talked about um someone breaking into her home, uh, two attempts.
	Uh the second attempt was successful only in that they were able to break in uh to the garage and steal her car.
	Uh just for anyone out there though, that will never happen again.
	There are lots of people guarding that home very, very carefully.
	I wouldn't mess with it again.
	Um but I hope they do.
	I hope they try, and I hope they get whacked.
	That's what I hope.
	You know, I mean, seriously, this is just so awful, uh Jonathan.
	But and and this is because this woman spoke out on behalf of our now president elect, Donald Trump.
	So um, she's a brave woman.
	She's a courageous woman.
	She's one of those kind of women, Jonathan, and Lauren, uh Sean's associate producer there knows well as well that I've never met anyone like her and I really don't expect that I will again and I feel that I've been I've been blessed and fortunate to have known and loved her and to be loved by her.
	But what's interesting is that anyone who knows her story, anyone that that reads about her has seen her and heard what she's had to say, they've they feel that they've come to know her in some special way as well.
	And she represents all of us.
	She represents those of us who have been beaten down who have been you know threatened or um uh people have come against us for our support of our now new president and she represents us she's she's someone who says you know what I'm just like everybody else but I uh only she's she's more than anybody else she's sick and yet she and the weird thing is she looks so beautiful that you don't even realize how thick that's what I was going to say she obviously has she's so beautiful that uh she's this sick and still looks amazing.
	I mean I get a cold you can ask anybody I'm like a big crybaby tells me that she's gonna put lipstick on so the devil doesn't recognize her.
	She ain't going where the devil's gonna be trust me on that one.
	No, she isn't.
	She is not.
	And that's the other thing, Jonathan, I'm so glad you brought that up.
	I am a person of faith.
	I love God and trust Him tremendously.
	This is a woman whose faith is unshakable.
	This is a woman who, no matter what cards have been dealt to her, still considers herself blessed and fortunate.
	And I really think that I think of Esther when I think of her, that she was here for such a time as this, that she has done her duty.
	She has done her job.
	And, you know, the Miss America 2005, Chelsea Cooley, set up a GoFundMe page for...
	Melissa because you know the the um health care bills have taken its toll thank you Obamacare and uh you know and other issues that they've had to face and so Chelsea started this GoFundMe page and I'll tell you something if you Melissa would have never ever told anyone about this page because that's not who she is but I'm telling people we're gonna tell people today about it.
	That's right and thanks and you can always go to Rose Unplugged which is my Facebook unplugged U N P L U G G E D. And then I think I heard you say that there's a link on on Hannity as well.
	Yeah it's on the top of the page on Hannity yep.

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