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June 13, 2016 - Sean Hannity Show
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Tragedy in Orlando - 6.13

The sudden mass shooting in an Orlando nightclub has made headlines this weekend and as the FBI continues to search for more details on this tragedy.  Sean sat down with Donald Trump to discuss this tragedy and his plans to confront radical Islamic terrorism. The Sean Hannity Show is live Monday through Friday from 3pm - 6pm ET. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, what a sad day this is.
Our thoughts, our prayers, anything we can do for our friends in Orlando.
We have been on our Orlando affiliate news 965 now for many, many years.
I love the people of Orlando.
They're amazing, amazing people.
Any moment now, Donald Trump is going to call in moments ago.
It's absolutely, it gave probably the best speech of his life.
Let me put it that way.
But I want to, we cannot forget the human toll.
We have a lot to talk about today.
Every indication we now have and every indicator we had, this man responsible for the shooting of these innocent people was a radicalized Islamist.
That's what we now know.
He was on the FBI's radar for many, many years, 10 specific months in a row for saying he was a member of al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.
We had every indicator to keep our eyes on this guy, and we did not do it.
It is imperative for this country, for the people of San Bernardino, and the people of Fort Hood and the people now in Orlando.
It is imperative for the safety and security of this country that we now do a better job identifying those people with radical views before they commit these horrific acts of terrorism and violence against innocent people.
Now, this also highlights a lot of what we have been debating in this presidential election year as it relates to safety and security of the American people.
This is why the borders need to be secure.
We get reports every day about people from the Middle East crossing over the Mexican border.
We hear from Border Patrol agents all of the time.
Do you know that as we speak today, there are over a thousand, over a thousand ongoing investigations in this country as it relates to radical Islamists in all 50 states?
The FBI has nearly a thousand active ISIS probes inside the U.S. You know, I'll tell the story later in the program today, but you know, you have in early 2009 in November, there is this guy that worked for the Department of Homeland Security.
His name is Haney, and Philip Haney, and he told the story how superiors at DHS had him delete and modify several hundred records of people tied to designated Islamic terror groups from the important federal database.
Now, this guy, if he would have been on the watch list or continue to be on the watch list, we would have, he would not have been able to get the guns that he used, but they took him off the list.
And the question is, we have a right to know why.
Why would he be taken off that list?
It highlights the need for more security.
It highlights the need for immigration reform in this country.
Intelligence experts, they've got to start doing a better job.
We can't be so politically correct anymore the way we have been to the point that, you know, imagine during World War II, we didn't identify Japan and Nazi Germany as our enemies because we didn't want to offend them.
Or if Reagan was too timid to say, declare war on the evil empire of the Soviet Union.
How can you win a war if you can't identify an enemy?
Donald Trump just got off the podium giving a speech.
He joins us now.
Mr. Trump, thank you for being with us.
I watched the whole speech.
How were you?
You gave a very powerful message.
You didn't hold back.
Please tell our audience, sum up for them the things you're saying.
Well, very simply, we have to be strong.
We have to be smart.
We can't let people pour into our country and hate us to start off with, but they certainly hate our values and what we stand for.
And we can't let that happen.
So we have to be strong and we have to be smart.
You know, you raised a couple of points.
You said the killer, you're not going to mention his name.
You never will.
Born to Afghan parents.
There was a report out this weekend that 99% of immigrants from Afghanistan actually support Sharia law.
That's right.
That's right.
And they support it when they come here, too.
Percentage is not so much different than that.
And how crazy are we to accept that?
And Sharia law is brutal and very much against women, very much against gays, very much against everybody.
And we're supposed to be a country of laws where we have a different set of laws.
So to allow people in that want to go with Sharia law is disgraceful.
You know, I brought up a lot of issues involving the Clinton Foundation.
For example, the Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has given over $10 million to $25 million to the Clinton Foundation.
Brunei has also donated up to $5 million, cut her $5 million to the Clinton Foundation.
Now, there was a report that came out.
More than 76 countries have laws that criminalize or persecute gays and lesbians.
Eight countries prescribe the death penalty if you're gay, including Saudi Arabia, Brunei, and parts of Nigeria.
Now, Hillary Clinton has taken money from these countries for her foundation.
It seems that they've been able to buy her silence.
She claims to be a champion of LGBT rights and a champion of women's rights.
Women can't drive there.
Women are told how to dress there.
Women can't go out in public without a male relative there.
So how can she take all this money, not criticize their treatment of gays, lesbians, and women, and then claim to be the champion of these people?
Well, she's been taken.
I heard minimum numbers like $25 million, but I think it's much more than that.
And she should give all of that money back.
If she wants to be true to herself, she has to give that money back.
Absolutely.
You know, Cutter executes gays and lesbians, and yet the Clinton Foundation takes $5 million from it.
It's a little tough, and they do it a lot differently.
And frankly, she should give that money back.
You actually said in your speech, ask yourself who is really the friend of women and the LGBT community, Donald Trump with actions or Hillary Clinton with words.
Right.
Exactly.
This is going to be a big issue in the campaign.
I think so.
I think so.
I think it's a very good issue, and I think it's true.
And we'll see how that all comes out.
But we're doing very well.
It's been incredible.
And I appreciate your support.
You're such an amazing guy, and I really do appreciate it.
And I think we're going to win.
I think we're going to have a big win in November.
Last question, and I'll let you go.
How important is what happened here tied to the debate in this country about refugees from Syria and the wall that you want to build?
How important is this issue tied to those two very big topics under which you've come under great fire?
Well, it's a very similar issue, and frankly, the wall.
You know, you think of the southern border, you don't think in terms of people coming in from Syria, but people coming in from Syria right through the southern border.
It's a weak point to probably our weakest point.
And so they're coming in from all over, and they're going through our southern border.
So we're going to have a wall.
Mexico is going to pay for the wall just as sure as you're sitting or standing, wherever you may be.
And it'll happen, Sean.
Believe me, it'll happen.
And it's something that we need.
We have to have.
And by the way, the Latinos, the Hispanics, they really agree with me on this.
You have no idea.
The people that are in our country lately, they agree with me 100%.
Are you planning on going to Orlando?
I may go.
I've been asked to go.
We're going to see what happens.
You know, I want to do it.
It's from the heart I would do it, but I don't want to be accused of doing it for political reasons, and that'll be immediately.
That's what will be said, as you know.
So I'm going to take a look at determination.
I would love to be there with them.
All right, Mr. Trump, I know you have to run.
Thank you for joining us after your big speech today.
800-941 Sean, our toll-free telephone number, Newt Gingrich will weigh in also as we continue today.
There's so much in terms of what has not been talked about that needs to be talked about.
New York Post is now reporting that when the Orlando shooter was just a high school kid in Florida and the World Trade Center was destroyed by terrorists, he cheered.
This is reported by John Podhoritz in the New York Post.
Anyway, it goes on to say that, you know, how is it that journalists are finding out all these incriminating details about the guy in less than 24 hours?
Yet the Obama Department of Homeland Security couldn't find out this stuff in a period of years.
New York Post reports that as a teenager, anyway, as the guy that's responsible for what happened, he cheered the day the terrorists flew these jets into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, as his former classmates are now recalling.
Anyway, self-proclaimed Islamic State devotee.
This guy is a sophomore anyway when that happened.
Then you have all these reports of all these co-workers of his all going out there, all saying the same thing, that this guy claimed to be a member of al-Qaeda and associated and aligned with al-Qaeda in Hezbollah.
That resulted in a 10-month investigation.
He was on the terror watch list.
Why wasn't that followed up more closely?
Why did they come to the conclusion that there's no more, there's no reason going further to look into this guy?
You know, I listened to the president and I listened to Hillary Clinton and their response to these gruesome, you know, awful terror attacks where all these people are murdered and slaughtered and shot and are fighting for their lives now.
And what we saw from Obama is everything that you would expect.
It's the same thing since the very first day that this man has taken office.
He has an incapability.
It is mind-numbing to acknowledge that something called radical Islamic terrorism exists, and it is a clear and present danger to every man, woman, and child in the free world.
It's everything you would think of.
He said in a statement Sunday, he described the rampage as an act of terror and an act of hate.
What is missing, of course, is the word Islamic terrorism or radical Islamic terrorism.
And it seems, you know, it's almost inherently and ideologically he is incapable of making a connection between terrorism and Islam.
You know, now and then when you really push him, he'll edge up to the line, but he, you know, reluctantly, never with conviction, and always quick to protect Islam, but he'll talk about the terrible deeds done in the name of Christ, even when it requires invoking the Christian crusades from, you know, however long ago.
The president this morning actually used the phrase, you know, radical organizations, but that's one that believes in nothing.
These radicals, we know who they are.
We've been talking about this forever.
ISIS, al-Qaeda, radical jihadists believe in something.
They believe that they're doing Allah's work.
They believe they'll be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven.
They believe it with their heart, mind, and soul.
You know, there are instances we see happening today.
You know, remember, this is a guy that said workplace violence.
This is a White House that said overseas contingency operations.
This is a group of people that refer to Islamic terrorism as man-caused disasters.
This is what Hillary and Obama and the Democrats have suggested in years.
And when Donald Trump had the courage to point out that our National Director of Intelligence, our FBI director, our assistant FBI director, our chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Obama's special envoy to defeat ISIS, when he called for a temporary ban on immigration, he was viciously, unfairly called a racist.
He was listening to our top intelligence officials just telling us that ISIS has plans to infiltrate the refugee population like they did in Paris and like they did in Belgium for crying out loud out loud.
And ISIS itself has said they have this plan for America.
We've seen this scenario played out in Belgium, in Paris, refugees killing innocent people after they infiltrate the population.
You know, this cannot happen anymore.
This is a war that is being waged against this country.
We've got to listen at least to our top security and intelligence officials.
You've got to stop being so nauseatingly politically correct and timid to the point we can't even mention our enemies by name.
They laugh at this country.
They laugh at Obama.
They see this as pure weakness on America's part.
And unless we are fully able to ensure the safety and security of people coming to the United States, that means Syrian refugees, and vet these refugees, which our intelligence community is telling us they cannot do, why is Obama thrusting them upon us?
He's bringing potential ISIS terrorists into the country who plan on killing more people, just like what we saw over the weekend.
And to be more direct, the president, supported by Hillary, supported by the Democrats, they're willing to gamble with your life.
In other words, all in the name of political correctness.
They're not acting in your best national security interest.
You know, they're creating a scenario where it's pretty much a guarantee that more shootings like Orlando are going to happen here.
This is a key pivotal moment in this country.
Are you going to allow politicians to put your lives at risk rather than look out for the broader national security threat that we are facing and the safety and security of the people of this country?
You know, are we now going to demand that they secure our borders?
Are we now going to listen to border agents saying, oh, we see more Middle Eastern refugees than ever before?
Are we now willing to identify radical Islamists for who they are and have a determination to defeat them until they're all gone?
It's time to increase intelligence gathering.
It's time to secure the borders.
It's time to identify and engage these people and bomb them into, you know, whatever paradise they think they're going to.
It's time, you cannot allow these politicians to gamble with your life.
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Hillary Clinton can never claim to be a friend of the gay community as long as she continues to support immigration policies that bring Islamic extremists to our country and who suppress women, gays, and anyone else who doesn't share their views or values.
Yet, Hillary Clinton, for months, and despite so many attacks, repeatedly refused to even say the words radical Islam until I challenged her yesterday.
And guess what?
She will probably say them.
She sort of has said them, but let's see what happens.
She really has no choice, but she doesn't want.
However, she's really been forced, and she has been forced to say these words.
She supports, and the reason is, she supports so much of what is wrong and what is wrong with this country and what's going wrong with our country and our borders.
She has no clue, in my opinion, what radical Islam is, and she won't speak honestly about it if she does, in fact, know.
She's in total denial, and her continuing reluctance to ever name the enemy broadcasts weakness across the entire world, true weakness.
When it comes to radical Islamic terrorism, ignorance is not bliss, it's deadly, totally deadly.
The Obama administration, with the support of Hillary Clinton and others, has also damaged our security by restraining our intelligence gathering.
And we have just no intelligence gathering information.
We need this information so badly, and he stopped it.
We don't have the support.
We don't have the support of the law enforcement system because Obama is not letting them do their job.
They are not being allowed to do their job.
And they can do it well better than anybody.
We need a new leader.
We need a new leader fast.
Hillary Clinton explained her refusal to say the words radical Islam.
Here is what she said: exact quote: Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.
That is Hillary Clinton.
So she says the solution is to ban guns.
They tried that in France, which has among the toughest gun laws anywhere in the world, and 130 people were brutally murdered by Islamic terrorists in cold blood.
Her plan is to disarm law-abiding Americans, abolishing the Second Amendment and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns.
No good.
Not going to happen, folks.
Not going to happen.
Not going to happen.
She wants to.
It takes Donald Trump from his speech earlier today.
You know, on the gun part, here's a question you should ask yourself.
And later in the program, we'll talk to Newt Kingridge.
We'll also talk to Jennifer Thalasinos.
She lost her husband, Nicholas, in the San Bernardino shooting.
If you're in a situation like what happened at this nightclub in Orlando, if you are at a community center like those people in San Bernardino, now I've carried, I've had a license to carry permit in New York, Rhode Island, California, Alabama, and Georgia.
My entire adult life, I have carried a weapon.
I have been trained.
I was a marksman at 11 or 12 years old and have been trained in the use of a firearm since I'm little.
I know firearm safety.
I teach it to my family, and I shoot on a regular basis to keep my skill level up, in spite of the fact that I can't shoot that much because my ears are shot.
Anyway, I don't know.
Mark Allen, by the way, I can't read this as I'm doing the show here, Linda.
Mark, oh my gosh, so somebody's on the line.
Mark Allen, his son died on Saturday night.
Your son died in Orlando, sir?
That's correct, Sean.
My name is actually Mark Allen Bando, B-A-N-D-O.
I'm a retired Detroit police officer.
I worked in the department for 25 years, 1974 to 99.
And I was on the Detroit police pistol team.
I'll tell you what, if I'd have been there the other night, the story would have been different because I have a CPL.
I always carry a gun.
When I saw that massacre in Paris last year, I said, geez, that couldn't happen in the States because if you went into a club with that many people in the States, there'd be at least two or three people that were armed.
But sadly, that's not what happened.
They had just one person there.
One off-duty police officer.
A lot of lives would have been saved, no doubt.
Your son was shot, and your son was killed Saturday night?
That's correct.
His mom, well, they live in Florida.
I live in Michigan, but his mom talked to him on the phone that evening before he went to the club, so she knew he was going.
And she woke up Sunday morning and heard there'd been a massacre there, and she went over there, and she hadn't heard from him, so she feared the worst.
And just today, they finally told us, you know, confirmed that he was one of the victims that was killed at the scene.
He never even made it to the hospital.
I am so, I know I speak for everybody in this audience.
And really, we address this to you and your family and your wife.
And I don't know.
I mean, it is so sad and so preventable.
And you hear the news as we've been presenting it here today.
And you hear the news, the FBI had this guy under watch for two years.
They were looking at this guy.
One has to wonder why they took him off the watch list, the guy that claimed allegiance to Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah, a guy that obviously, you know, at a workplace made these ridiculous claims.
And I'm not blaming, I'm sure law enforcement resources are scarce, but we've got a thousand ongoing ISIS investigations now going on in the country.
I would argue that if our government would do a better job, we can prevent this senseless death.
That's true.
There's so many legal impediments, though.
There is a simpler solution.
And Donald Trump has said many times, if you have somebody shooting back, the game's over right now.
All you need is one guy in it.
See, I think in that nightclub the other night, when the shooting started, there wasn't one person in there that wouldn't have traded everything he owned in the world just to have a loaded gun.
But these people don't realize it until they're in the situation.
It's far too late then.
And that's the point I was making.
I was saying if you're in the San Bernardino or Orlando situation where your son died on Saturday night, senselessly, evil Islamic terrorism.
And, you know, I've carried a weapon my whole life, sir.
I've carried one, and I, you know, I carry it everywhere.
I went to the Yankee game on Saturday night.
You can't bring it into the stadium, but I left it in my car, you know.
And, you know, I just, I don't understand a mindset that goes to blame guns.
But this, now, here's the thing about this.
This guy called the cops.
You know, there were three contacts with 911, pledged his allegiance to ISIS, and that he was carrying out this mass murder, including your son.
12 hours after he said he pledges allegiance to ISIS, the president of the United States of America said, we have no definitive assessment on the motivation.
And we know that he was a person filled with hate.
No, this doesn't.
Anytime there's any mass shooting in this country, the Democrats always spin it that they want to push more gun control and disarm legitimate citizens that need to defend themselves in this country.
How old was your son?
How old was your son?
My son was a Gemini, and he just celebrated his 32nd birthday on June 1st, and he was a very gentle person.
He had a master's degree.
He was a psychologist in Orlando, Florida.
He was gay, which is something that I didn't know until about five years ago.
But anyways, he was one of those who wanted to believe that people were good and there were no evil people in the world.
And he used to joke and ridicule and laugh at me for being paranoid when he saw me putting a gun on off duty.
This is when he was growing up.
And then on September 11th, he called me from Florida and he said, what's going on with these planes sitting in the buildings?
He reassessed his whole view of the human race a little bit at that time.
But he lived down there and I lived up here and I never got a chance to teach him how to handle firearms.
I think if we'd have lived in closer proximity, he would have become proficient.
He would have probably got a CPL and carried a gun, and that could have made a difference the other night.
You can't second-guess things like this.
You love your son, and your son should be alive today.
And that's the sad tragedy of all of this.
Yes, if even one person in that club had been armed.
Yep.
It could have been a different story unless the shooter took out the one-armed person as his first victim or something.
Well, there's no way to know who it is.
Listen, this guy, just like in San Bernardino, was reloading, too.
Well, Mr. Bando, God bless you.
I can't imagine your pain today.
If you'll stay on the line, I want to send your family something, if you don't mind, to stay right there.
I appreciate you calling in and telling us about your son.
I'm so sorry, and I know I speak for this whole audience.
Thank you.
Thanks for the opportunity, Sean.
I just wanted to put that out there.
When the victims shoot back, game over.
100%.
That was the question I was getting to.
And that is, thank you for the call, sir.
I appreciate it.
That's the question.
If you're in a situation, do you want somebody armed or not?
My answer is yes.
You know, there's this whole thing.
I have said, Linda, how many times have I said on this program, you know, all right, gay and lesbian groups disagree with Sean Hannity because he doesn't want to change the definition of marriage.
But I've said many times, I don't care what people do in their privacy.
It's none of my business.
It is zero.
I have zero business knowing what people want to do privately.
It's none of my business.
And I think most Americans feel that way.
But I'm watching these countries under Sharia.
And this is a point, a political point I want to make.
You know, you've got countries like Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Qatar.
Let's see, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton Foundation $25 million.
The government of Brunei donated $5 million to the Clinton Foundation.
Qatar donated $5 million to the Clinton Foundation.
Okay.
Well, in June of 2015, the Office of the UN High Commissioner on Human Rights issued a report entitled Discrimination and Violence Against Individuals Based on Their Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity.
They found, according to the report, more than 76 countries have laws that criminalize and persecute people that are gay.
Eight countries give the death penalty if you're gay, including, let's see, Saudi Arabia that gave the Clinton Foundation $25 million, Brunei that gave the Clinton Foundation $5 million, and parts of Nigeria.
Qatar, by the way, another country is in a league of its own when it comes to violating civil rights of gays and lesbians.
Qatar is one of only 10 nations in the world that allow the execution of people that are gay.
While such a sentence is technically reserved for Muslims, homosexuality is punishable by up to seven years in prison for anyone living or visiting Qatar in the Washington Post.
And I can keep going from there.
Okay, so if you're in the gay and lesbian community and you disagree with me politically that on gay marriage, Sean Hannity has been warning people for years that this is what is happening in these countries that practice Sharia.
I've been talking at length about a conflict of cultures that countries under Sharia.
And if you want to come from any of these countries, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, and you want to come to the United States of America, are you coming here with your full belief in Sharia?
Are you coming here believing that men have the right to tell women how to dress?
Are you believing that you have the right to stone gays and lesbians to death?
You're coming here with the belief you can throw them off roofs and kill them?
Are you coming here with the belief that women can't drive a car?
Are you coming here with the belief that women can't go to school or work without a man's permission?
Are you coming here with the belief that a woman needs four male eyewitnesses to prove rape?
Are you coming here with the belief that women that commit adultery get stoned to death?
Are you coming here with the belief that you want to change America, like Great Britain now has 88 Sharia separate courts?
You know, and then for somebody to dare say, oh, it's about the belief system.
Well, how do I know if somebody is coming from a country that practices Sharia?
How do we have any way to ascertain whether or not they are bringing their beliefs with them in the hopes of proselytizing and advancing what we believe is the cultural dark ages in America?
How do we ascertain that?
Goes to the heart of the whole Syrian refugee population issue.
Obama is insisting on bringing them here.
Hillary's insisting on bringing them here.
ISIS has said they'll infiltrate.
Our intelligence community has said they'll infiltrate.
Okay, why are they willing to gamble with your life?
I don't understand this.
Gateway Pundin is reporting that there's a gay rights group, LGBT in Phoenix, that has now endorsed Donald Trump because of the Orlando massacre.
They tweeted out the following message today.
We want you to know after this horrific attack, we're officially endorsing Trump.
Enough's enough.
If you're in the gay and lesbian community, your champion in the last, you know, 10 years on the air has been me.
Because Hillary's been too busy taking money from these countries that treat gays and lesbians horribly, treat women horribly, and yet she claims to be the champion of LGBT and women's rights.
She takes money.
They bought her silence.
She doesn't ever criticize them because she wanted the money more.
Wake up.
People are dying.
And we have every right as a country and every duty as a country to protect our way of life.
And if that means that we don't take people from countries where there's this massive cultural divide whose values are the antithesis of our constitutional values, our republic, then we have the right to say, don't come here.
And you can't convince me that you have a way of vetting 10,000 or 100,000 Syrian refugees because they tried that in Belgium and they tried that in Paris and they failed miserably.
And people died.
One of the biggest challenges we are going to have is this kind of propaganda and perversions of Islam that you see generated on the internet and the capacity for that to seep into the minds of troubled individuals,
more weak individuals, and seeing them motivated then to take actions against people here in the United States and elsewhere in the world that are tragic.
And so countering this extremist ideology is increasingly going to be just as important as making sure that we are disrupting more extensive plots engineered from the outside.
All right, the president still not understanding and still having a difficult time talking about radical Islamic terrorism.
Why?
I don't know.
After this guy literally called the cops and he had three conversations, as we now know, from the FBI director Comey and pledged his loyalty to ISIS after he was carrying out this mass terrorist attack in Orlando, 12 hours after he pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Well, there was the president declaring that we have no definitive assessment on the motivation.
We know he's a person filled with hate.
Joining us now is former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who called this what it is, an act of war, and that President Obama cannot accept reality.
Why is there this mysterious reluctance, resistance?
It's almost pathological that they cannot identify radical Islamic terrorism, man-cause disasters, overseas contingencies, workplace violence.
This game has gone on now for eight years, and it's not a game.
No, you know, I begin to think that there's a remarkable parallel between Neville Chamberlain's inability and unwillingness to come to grips with Hitler and Obama's unwillingness and inability to come to grips with Islamic supremacists.
And in both cases, I mean, I think that the answer in the end is that if you really believe the enemy is this bad, the consequence in terms of policies you have to adopt is so dramatic that you'll do almost anything to avoid confronting the reality.
And so what you end up with are people who twist and turn and try to look for every angle, try to find some way to justify it.
In addition, I think we've had a half century of liberals teaching us that you shouldn't discriminate, you shouldn't render judgment, you shouldn't be an American nationalist.
And so it's very hard for them to condemn a group, any group for any reason unless they're conservative Christians or Republicans.
And the result is that they just cannot come to grips with reality.
But that's a scary thought if you're saying that the leader of the free world or the person that's running to replace now the leader of the free world has this disconnect from reality here.
I mean, let's go back.
I think the issue now of Syrian refugee, Syrian refugees coming into the country, Obama and Hillary Clinton have both said it's bigoted that we don't take them in.
But yet we've heard from James Clapper, our National Director of Intelligence, James Comey, our FBI director, Michael Steinbeck, our assistant FBI director, Mike McCall, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, General John Allen, Obama's former special envoy to defeat ISIS, have all stated that, and ISIS has stated as well, that their plan for America is to infiltrate that population.
Now, that tells me that the president, that Democrats, that Hillary Clinton are willing to gamble with the lives of Americans to appease, I don't know, some rationale of political correctness that they buy into.
Why would you risk one American life in light of Belgium and Paris, for example?
Well, look, I agree with you, and I think the reason is they're going to have to give up some of their most deeply held ideological biases if they're going to actually take on this kind of a threat and deal with it effectively.
And they desperately want to avoid doing that.
I mean, that's the long and the short of it.
The fact is that in order to take on the kind of enemies we now have, and let me say, for example, when people say this was a hate crime, they're exactly right.
The people who are Islamic supremacists hate us.
They hate all of us.
It wasn't just a hate crime against lesbians and gays.
It's a hate crime against Christians.
It's a hate crime against Jews.
It's a hate crime against Baha'i.
In fact, it's a hate crime against moderate Muslims.
We tend to forget these folks kill more Muslims than any other single group.
And they're all hate crimes because they hate us.
Now, once you understand that and get over it, now you're not into a psychological problem.
Oh, geez, why do they hate us?
They hate us because it's who they are.
They hate us because it's what they believe.
And they're going to live it out if they can.
And when they do live it out, boom.
What do you make of these?
The FBI had him on a watch list for some 10 months.
This is a kid that in high school cheered after the 9-11 attacks happened.
This is a guy that at work pledged his support for al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.
This is a guy that actually told the FBI that he wanted to be a martyr.
And yet he was taken off the watch list.
They didn't follow through on this guy.
I mean, I'm trying to understand the rationale here.
Listen, I have great respect for law enforcement, Mr. Speaker, but to me, I know there are 1,000 ongoing investigations into ISIS in the United States right now, over 1,000 in all 50 states.
But if we identify somebody that wants to be a martyr, what should we do with them?
Right.
And I think I believe, first of all, we're going to have to have more FBI agents and probably more police intelligence folks around the country.
Second, you have to recognize how much the Obama administration and to a lesser degree the Bush administration bent over backwards to appease the various Muslim groups so that, you know, the agents don't want to appear to be Islamophobic.
And so they're going to give every benefit of the doubt to somebody who shows up and kills 49 people and wounds another 53 or 54.
And you'll notice the company didn't want to fire him because they didn't want to seem to be anti-Muslim.
The U.S. government issued a report a couple years ago, Andy McCarthy sent it to me today, that basically said, any business which seems to be anti-Muslim, we're going to file a lawsuit against.
So you end up with people in San Bernardino who say, yeah, I saw bombs and I saw guns, but you know, I didn't want people to think I was anti-Muslim.
Well, we have now been so over-press lectured that we're allowing killers in our midst because we've been told to be timid.
And I think part of what's going to come out of Orlando coming on top of San Bernardino, coming on top of Boston, coming on top of Chattanooga, coming on top of Fort Hood, is people are going to start saying no.
Empower the FBI.
When in doubt, if they're not an American citizen, kick them out.
If they are an American citizen, put them under continuing surveillance.
If they do anything that looks threatening, you know, this is a guy who the day he walked in to buy a gun, the FBI should have picked him up.
And it's, again, but they had taken him off the watch list.
Which is correct.
And he also had two separate licenses.
He had a carry license.
And he actually, I know the rules down in Florida, to be a security guard, he went through 40 hours of training, and he had to prove himself on a range.
And he still had, which is a higher level of a gun permit, if you will.
And then if any store were to deny him the ability to buy a gun, well, then that person would probably likely be sued, right?
Right.
Now, that's why we're going to have to change some rules pretty dramatically.
I believe that no one who believes in Sharia should be admitted to the United States except under very controlled circumstances.
But we can't ascertain what's in somebody's heart.
And I just went through this.
There is a cultural divide.
If you grow up in a country such as Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Qatar, I mean, we can go through a list of countries.
There are 76 countries that have laws that criminalize and persecute, and eight countries that give the death penalty to gays and lesbians, for example.
But if you grow up under Sharia and you think men have the right to tell women what to wear, they have a right to tell women they can't drive or vote, they have a right to say you can go to school or not go to school, the men decide.
If you need four male eyewitnesses for rape and you're coming from that country, how do we determine whether or not you're coming here because you want the freedom that your country doesn't offer or you're coming here to proselytize and then bring your faith with you and bring your thought processes with you that are so contradictory to our constitutional republic?
What do you do when there's a conflict?
How do you ascertain what somebody's motive is?
I don't think you can.
Well, I think, look, I think, first of all, you can ask a fair number of questions.
You can look at their background.
I mean, when this guy went to Saudi Arabia twice in the last couple of years, there's reasonable grounds to sort of raise a flag and take a look at it.
You know, and somebody said to me, well, the Christians go to Rome.
And I said, yeah, my answer is they very seldom come back and kill people.
I mean, we've now had the San Bernardino killer was clearly radicalized in Saudi Arabia.
I suspect we're going to find out that this guy was significantly radicalized, may already have been radicalized here, but was significantly accelerated in Saudi Arabia.
And by the way, I believe if you're an American citizen and you pledge allegiance to ISIL or to Sharia, you're going to end up losing your citizenship.
I think we will have no choice.
Let me ask, this is a political question now.
Now, Saudi Arabia donated $25 million to the Clinton Foundation.
The government of Brunei donated about $5 million.
Qatar, about $5 million.
Now, there was a report by the Office of the UN High Commission for Human Rights, and it was called Discrimination and Violence Against Individuals Based on Sexual Orientation or Gender.
And what they found is that, for example, Saudi Arabia, if you look at their background, they have an Qatar, for example, is in a league of its own.
They are one of 10 nations that allow the execution of gay people.
But Hillary took the money.
Hillary took the money from Saudi Arabia, and it's a crime to be gay in Saudi Arabia.
And same thing with Nigeria.
Same thing with Brunei.
All these countries that gave the Clinton Foundation money.
Now, she claims to be a champion of women's rights and gay and lesbian rights.
She takes the money from these countries.
I can't find on the record any criticism of any of these countries that paid millions to the Clintons of their atrocious human rights record.
Did they buy her silence?
Well, I think the influence of the Saudis in particular and the sheer scale of oil money they've had over the last 40 years permeates Washington.
I mean, nobody should kid themselves.
They permeate many of our universities.
One of the things we should be requiring is the universities indicate where they get their donations from, including indirect.
So, you know, so if the Saudis give money to some supposed American foundation, which promptly gives the money to the university, that should be traced all the way back to the Saudis.
But I think we would be startled how much money has come into the U.S. from these kind of organizations.
Well, this has to stop.
Well, I think it's that, and it's also based on America's stupidity not to achieve energy independence, isn't it?
I mean, three issues are at play here in terms of the Trump agenda versus the Hillary agenda.
Number one, Syrian refugees, he supports safe zones that we would help support people with food and blankets and water and medicine and supplies, but it's where they live and military assistance.
You know, Hillary wants them and is insisting we bring them here, or we're bigoted, just like the president is saying that.
The second issue is we have more and more border patrol agents saying that Middle Eastern people are crossing the border.
And this other issue that we're talking about here, why are we not energy independent and tell the Saudis to keep their money and shove it?
Well, look, I think you're exactly right.
And I think that we have an obligation.
That's part of what campaigns are about, is having the discussion and bringing to the forefront what people need to understand about the choices we're going to live out as a country.
And I think that it's an enormous problem for the United States right now.
And we need to confront how big a problem it is.
And I think that the only way to deal with that is to have a straight-up debate.
You know, Obama and Clinton have represented one view.
I do note that under extraordinary pressure in the last 24 hours, she's begun to crumble a little bit.
It's not real, like everything else.
She once refused to say, I actually have the tapes of it.
Refused to acknowledge radical Islam.
What do you think of Trump's speech?
I got to run, and you're going to be on TV tonight.
What do you think of Trump's speech today?
I thought it was extraordinary, and I think it sets a benchmark on national security that people are going to really draw a sharp contrast to Clinton and Obama.
I tend to agree with you.
All right, former Speaker of the House, Peter Knight, potential vice presidential candidate.
Give me that.
Talk to you later.
You know, I never had a guest just give me so much crap as he does.
I'm asking simple questions.
And he gets on that one in particular.
One of the biggest challenges we are going to have is this kind of propaganda and perversions of Islam that you see generated on the Internet and the capacity for that to seep into the minds of troubled individuals or weak individuals, and seeing them motivated then to take actions against people here in the United States.
and elsewhere in the world that are tragic.
And so countering this extremist ideology is increasingly going to be just as important as making sure that we are disrupting more expensive spots engineered from the outside.
All right, the president still not understanding and still having a difficult time talking about radical Islamic terrorism.
Why, I don't know.
After this guy literally called the cops and he had three conversations, as we now know, from the FBI director Comey and pledged his loyalty to ISIS after he was carrying out this mass terrorist attack in Orlando, 12 hours after he pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Well, there was the president declaring that we have no definitive assessment on the motivation.
We know he's a person filled with hate.
Joining us now is former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who called this what it is, an act of war, and that President Obama cannot accept reality.
Why is there this mysterious reluctance, resistance?
It's almost pathological that they cannot identify radical Islamic terrorism, man-cause disasters, overseas contingencies, workplace violence.
This game has gone on now for eight years, and it's not a game.
No, you know, I begin to think that there's a remarkable parallel between Neville Chamberlain's inability and unwillingness to come to grips with Hitler and Obama's unwillingness and inability to come to grips with Islamic supremacists.
And in both cases, I mean, I think that the answer in the end is that if you really believe the enemy is this bad, the consequence in terms of policies you have to adopt is so dramatic that you'll do almost anything to avoid confronting the reality.
And so what you end up with are people who twist and turn and try to look for every angle, try to find some way to justify it.
In addition, I think we've had a half century of liberals teaching us that you shouldn't discriminate, you shouldn't render judgment, you shouldn't be an American nationalist.
And so it's very hard for them to condemn a group, any group for any reason unless they're conservative Christians or Republicans.
And the result is that they just cannot come to grips with reality.
But that's a scary thought if you're saying that the leader of the free world or the person that's running to replace now the leader of the free world has this disconnect from reality here.
I mean, let's go back.
I think the issue now of Syrian refugee, Syrian refugees coming into the country, Obama and Hillary Clinton have both said it's bigoted that we don't take them in.
But yet we've heard from James Clapper, our National Director of Intelligence, James Comey, our FBI director, Michael Steinbeck, our assistant FBI director, Mike McCall, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, General John Allen, Obama's former special envoy to defeat ISIS, have all stated that, and ISIS has stated as well, that their plan for America is to infiltrate that population.
Now, that tells me that the president, that Democrats, that Hillary Clinton are willing to gamble with the lives of Americans to appease, I don't know, some rationale of political correctness that they buy into.
Why would you risk one American life in light of Belgium and Paris, for example?
Well, I agree with you, and I think the reason is they're going to have to give up some of their most deeply held ideological biases if they're going to actually take on this kind of a threat and deal with it effectively.
They desperately want to avoid doing that.
That's the long and the short of it.
The fact is that in order to take on the kind of enemies we now have, and let me say, for example, when people say this was a hate crime, they're exactly right.
The people who are Islamic supremacists hate us.
They hate all of us.
It wasn't just a hate crime against lesbians and gays.
It's a hate crime against Christians.
It's a hate crime against Jews.
It's a hate crime against Baha'i.
In fact, it's a hate crime against moderate Muslims.
We tend to forget these folks kill more Muslims than any other single group.
And they're all hate crimes because they hate us.
Now, once you understand that and get over it, now you're not into a psychological problem.
Oh, geez, why do they hate us?
They hate us because it's who they are.
They hate us because it's what they believe.
And they're going to live it out if they can.
And when they do live it out, boom.
What do you make of these?
The FBI had him on a watch list for some 10 months.
This is a kid that in high school cheered after the 9-11 attacks happened.
This is a guy that at work pledged his support for al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.
This is a guy that actually told the FBI that he wanted to be a martyr.
And yet he was taken off the watch list.
They didn't follow through on this guy.
I mean, I'm trying to understand the rationale here.
Listen, I have great respect for law enforcement, Mr. Speaker, but to me, I know there are 1,000 ongoing investigations into ISIS in the United States right now, over 1,000 in all 50 states.
But if we identify somebody that wants to be a martyr, what should we do with them?
Right.
And I think the I believe, first of all, we're going to have to have more FBI agents and probably more police intelligence folks around the country.
Second, you have to recognize how much the Obama administration and to a lesser degree the Bush administration bent over backwards to appease the various Muslim groups so that, you know, the agents don't want to appear to be Islamophobic.
And so they're going to give every benefit of the doubt to somebody who shows up and kills 49 people and wounds another 53 or 54.
And you'll notice the company didn't want to fire him because they didn't want to seem to be anti-Muslim.
The U.S. government issued a report a couple years ago, Andy McCarthy sent it to me today, that basically said, any business which seems to be anti-Muslim, we're going to file a lawsuit against.
So you end up with people in San Bernardino who say, yeah, I saw bombs and I saw guns, but you know, I didn't want people to think I was anti-Muslim.
Well, we have now been so over-press lectured that we're allowing killers in our midst because we've been told to be timid.
And I think part of what's going to come out of Orlando coming on top of San Bernardino, coming on top of Boston, coming on top of Chattanooga, coming on top of Fort Hood, is people are going to start saying no.
Empower the FBI.
When in doubt, if they're not an American citizen, kick them out.
If they are an American citizen, put them under continuing surveillance.
If they do anything that looks threatening, you know, this is a guy who the day he walked in to buy a gun, the FBI should have picked him up.
And it's, again, I think that's the problem.
But they had taken him off the watch list.
Which is correct.
And he also, he had two separate licenses.
He had a carry license.
And he actually, I know the rules down in Florida, to be a security guard, he went through 40 hours of training, and he had to prove himself on a range.
And he still had, which is a higher level of a gun permit, if you will.
And then if any store were to deny him the ability to buy a gun, well, then that person would probably likely be sued, right?
Right.
Now, that's why we're going to have to change some rules pretty dramatically.
I believe that no one who believes in Sharia should be admitted to the United States except under very controlled circumstances.
But we can't ascertain what's in somebody's heart.
And I just went through this.
There is a cultural divide.
If you grow up in a country such as Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Qatar, I mean, we can go through a list of countries.
There are 76 countries that have laws that criminalize and persecute, and eight countries that give the death penalty to gays and lesbians, for example.
But if you grow up under Sharia and you think men have the right to tell women what to wear, they have a right to tell women they can't drive or vote, they have a right to say you can go to school or not go to school, the men decide.
If you need four male eyewitnesses for rape and you're coming from that country, how do we determine whether or not you're coming here because you want the freedom that your country doesn't offer or you're coming here to proselytize and then bring your faith with you and bring your thought processes with you that are so contradictory to our constitutional republic?
What do you do when there's a conflict?
How do you ascertain what somebody's motive is?
I don't think you can.
Well, I think, look, I think, first of all, you can ask a fair number of questions.
You can look at their background.
I mean, when this guy went to Saudi Arabia twice in the last couple of years, there's reasonable grounds to sort of raise a flag and take a look at it.
You know, and somebody said to me, well, the Christians go to Rome.
And I said, yeah, my answer is they very seldom come back and kill people.
I mean, we've now had the San Bernardino killer was clearly radicalized in Saudi Arabia.
I suspect we're going to find out that this guy was significantly radicalized, may already have been radicalized here, but was significantly accelerated in Saudi Arabia.
And by the way, I believe if you're an American citizen and you pledge allegiance to ISIL or to Sharia, you're going to end up losing your citizenship.
I think we will have no choice.
Let me ask, this is a political question now.
Now, Saudi Arabia donated $25 million to the Clinton Foundation.
The government of Brunei donated about $5 million.
Qatar, about $5 million.
Now, there was a report by the Office of the UN High Commission for Human Rights, and it was called Discrimination and Violence Against Individuals Based on Sexual Orientation or Gender.
And what they found is that, for example, Saudi Arabia, if you look at their background, they have an Qatar, for example, is in a league of its own.
They are one of 10 nations that allow the execution of gay people.
But Hillary took the money.
Hillary took the money from Saudi Arabia, and it's a crime to be gay in Saudi Arabia.
And same thing with Nigeria.
Same thing with Brunei.
All these countries that gave the Clinton Foundation money.
Now, she claims to be a champion of women's rights and gay and lesbian rights.
She takes the money from these countries.
I can't find on the record any criticism of any of these countries that paid millions to the Clintons of their atrocious human rights record.
Did they buy her silence?
Well, I think the influence of the Saudis in particular and the sheer scale of oil money they've had over the last 40 years permeates Washington.
I mean, nobody should kid themselves.
They permeate many of our universities.
One of the things we should be requiring is the universities indicate where they get their donations from, including indirect.
So, you know, so if the Saudis give money to some supposed American foundation, which promptly gives the money to the university, that should be traced all the way back to the Saudis.
I think we would be startled how much money has come into the U.S. from these kind of organizations.
Well, this is brainwashing us.
Well, I think it's that, and it's also based on America's stupidity not to achieve energy independence, isn't it?
I mean, three issues are at play here in terms of the Trump agenda versus the Hillary agenda.
Number one, Syrian refugees, he supports safe zones that we would help support people with food and blankets and water and medicine and supplies, but it's where they live and military assistance.
You know, Hillary wants them and is insisting we bring them here, or we're bigoted, just like the president is saying that.
The second issue is we have more and more border patrol agents saying that Middle Eastern people are crossing the border.
And this other issue that we're talking about here: why are we not energy independent and tell the Saudis to keep their money and shove it?
Well, look, I think you're exactly right.
And I think that we have an obligation.
That's part of what campaigns are about, is having the discussion and bringing to the forefront what people need to understand about the choices we're going to live out as a country.
And I think that it's an enormous problem for the United States right now.
And we need to confront how big a problem it is.
And I think that the only way to deal with that is to have a straight-up debate.
You know, Obama and Clinton have represented one view.
I do note that under extraordinary pressure in the last 24 hours, she's begun to crumble a little bit.
It's not real, like everything else she once said, refused to say.
I actually have the tapes of it.
Refused to acknowledge radical Islam.
What do you think of Trump's speech?
I got to run, and you're going to be on TV tonight.
What do you think of Trump's speech today?
I thought it was extraordinary, and I think it sets a benchmark on national security that people are going to really draw a sharp contrast to Clinton and Obama.
I tend to agree with you.
All right, former Speaker of the House.
Peter Knight.
Potential vice presidential candidate.
Give me that.
Talk to you later.
You know, I never had a guest just give me so much crap as he does.
I'm asking simple questions, and he gets on that one in particular.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour.
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You know what I'm most scared about?
And I've said this many times before, the FBI has over a thousand active probes involving ISIS inside of the United States now.
Over 1,000.
And then we find out that they knew that this guy had made these insane statements about wanting to be a martyr and at work talking about being connected to al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.
And he was on their watch list for 10 months.
For some reason, they took him off, was on again the next year, connected, at least on the margins, to some other radical that had blown himself up.
I forget where.
I think it was El Nusra.
He was El Nusra connected.
I mean, it seems that anything Islamic worked for this guy.
It didn't seem to have any preference for Shia or Sunni, which is a little odd and bizarre.
And then we find out that the Hill reported this is a guy by the name of Phil Haney, DHS agent, Department of Homeland Security.
And we found out that he talked in early November of 2009, Obama was the president, how he was ordered by superiors at the Department of Homeland Security to delete or modify several hundred records of individuals tied to the designated Islamic terror groups from an important federal database.
Now, we're going to get into that at the top of the next hour, but why would they ever have somebody delete this?
He even went on to say, I was being forced to delete and scrub the records, and I was well aware as a result, it was going to be vastly more difficult to connect the dots in the future, especially before an attack occurs.
Why did the Obama administration do this?
It just makes absolutely no sense.
Nothing of what they do.
There was a report on Breitbart.
Afghanistan into America, 99% support Sharia law.
Well, if you support Sharia law, that directly conflicts with our Constitution, our Constitutional Republic.
Those values are in complete conflict.
I don't see any way that you can have a peaceful coexistence with somebody that feels they have the right to tell women what to wear and tell women they can't drive.
How do you possibly do that?
See you of Hillary taking money from Saudi Arabia, $25 million for the Clinton Foundation, or the government of Brunei, $5 million, or Qatar, $5 million.
Qatar is only one of 10 countries in the entire world that allow the execution of gays and lesbians and bisexuals and transsexuals.
What is going on here?
Why are you taking their money?
And yet you claim to be the champion of women's rights.
You know, it's such hypocrisy.
Andy McCarthy has a piece out today, and he talks about, you know, where this all comes from.
This is not about, you know, ISIS.
This is about Islam.
This is about Sharia.
This is about the countries that are donating to the Clinton Foundation.
This is the same Hillary that doesn't speak out about these groups.
Why doesn't she speak out?
Did they buy her silence?
I would say yes.
They bought her silence.
Well, there's one gay and lesbian group now that is endorsing Donald Trump after this massacre.
Enough is enough.
LBGT in Phoenix.
You know, you might disagree with conservative, might be gay and disagree with conservatives' positions on changing the definition of marriage.
That's irrelevant.
So what?
Most Americans don't care what people do privately.
Anyway, Andy McCarthy's piece is killing homosexuals is not ISIS law, it's Muslim law.
You know, maybe they did target this guy, did target this particular nightclub because it was a gay and lesbian nightclub.
Maybe he did.
But anyway, Andy goes on to say, based on all of this, there's abundant Washington and media speculation that the attack is ISIS-inspired, consistent with the bipartisan government-approved inanity of what we have been following for a quarter century, what I often call the political classes concoction of an Islam of their very own.
That Islam is a religion of peace, period.
End of discussion.
Violent extremists, outfits like ISIS and Al-Qaeda, kill wantonly, no real ideological motivation.
ISIS, al-Qaeda are thus not Islamic, but are actually anti-Islamic.
And if they cite Islamic scripture to justify their atrocities, they are hijacking and perverting Islam.
That's what he writes.
Because we see these groups as anti-Islam rather than Islam, it's acceptable to call a mass murder attack terrorism only if law enforcement develops some plausible tie to these groups.
Otherwise, if a Muslim's involved, stick with the workplace violence and the like.
Anyway, he points out this idiocy again and again in his piece.
We'll put it up on Hannity.com.
He said there are various ways to interpret Islamic scripture in order to attempt to evolve it out of violence.
This, of course, does not change the fact that supremacist, fundamentalist Islam is a legitimate, mainstream, virulently anti-Western interpretation of Islam, but it does at least mean that there can be other mainstream versions of Islam that reject violence and Islam's politico-legal system.
Sharia, on the other hand, is basically set in stone, or should I say stoning.
Even most Islamic reformers acknowledge that it badly needs reform, not that it can be reinterpreted, but it needs to be changed.
Its provisions and especially its draconian punishments were largely fixed a millennial ago, millennium ago.
The mandate that homosexuals be killed is not from ISIS or al-Qaeda.
It's from Sharia, which draws on Muslim scripture.
Does anybody want to hear this?
He points out in his piece, he goes on to say, in more than one place in the Quran, Allah recounts to us the story of Lot's people and how he destroyed them for their wicked practice.
There is consensus among both Muslims and followers of other religions that sodomy is wrong.
And it's even viler and uglier than adultery.
Section page 17.2, Allah Most High says, do you approach the males of humanity leaving the wives Allah has created for you?
But you are a people who transgress, transgress.
The Prophet Allah, bless him and give him peace, said, kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done to him.
May Allah curse him who does what Lot's people did.
Lesbianism by women is adultery between them.
He just will put the piece up.
It's worth reading.
It's what I've been calling the conflict in cultures, just so widespread.
Let's get to our busy telephones here.
As we say hi to, I think it's JL in, I don't know where you are, St. Augustine?
How are you?
Yep, in St. Augustine, Florida.
I'm doing great.
How are you?
I'm good.
What's going on?
You know, I just have a lot of concerns, and we're counting on you to keep up the right kind of dialogue.
This is not about gun control.
You know, if you want to talk biblical with all the scriptures you were just talking about, Cain killed Abel with a rock.
This is not about gun control.
This is about radical Islam.
And it shames me when I hear the president speak and try to enforce political correctness.
And I think it goes to exactly what Speaker Gingrich just said.
Through the press and political correctness, they are teaching us to be timid.
They're teaching us to go against our own instincts, our own instincts to protect ourselves.
And they've actually talked us out of our own common sense.
So whatever we can do to bring clarity to this, it's not about gun control.
I think we all know that if somebody wants to do harm with a gun, they'll get a gun.
So let's be real and let's just stop that part of the discussion.
People were making fun of Trump over the weekend.
It's like, if Obama can't see this, he should step down as president.
And he really should.
He is, to me, it's now pathological.
There's something, there's a missing chip.
I'll never forget Jennifer Anniston once revealed about a relationship with Brad Pitt.
Oh, he's got a missing chip somewhere.
There's a missing chip in Obama's brain that he can't connect the dots here, that he refuses to connect the dots.
Same thing with Democrats and Hillary.
They have this inclination towards weakness that I will never for the life of me understand.
But it's now putting people's lives in jeopardy.
They so want to be liked that they're willing to take in Syrian refugees.
Our intelligence community said ISIS will infiltrate the population.
That means Americans are going to die, and they're willing to gamble with your life anyway.
It makes no sense.
Not securing the border and Middle Eastern men crossing the border makes no sense.
And Republicans, frankly, have been too weak and timid, and they don't want to be called Islamophobic and so on and so forth, so they shut up.
But the reality is, you have a conflict in civilization here.
You have a direct conflict between freedom and liberty and a constitutional republic that grants rights to every person versus a society that is a theocracy, where and you know it's patriarchal where the men control everything, dictate to women what they can and cannot do and dictate behavior.
They even have, in Saudi Arabia, morality police.
They walk around and if like a woman's holding hands with a guy, she can be in big trouble and get lashes and maybe be put in jail.
You know you're right in everything you're saying.
And then the president.
It gets even more psychopathic.
Then he starts blaming guns.
Well, if i'm in a in a nightclub and somebody starts shooting and I have my gun, i'm going to try and protect innocent life.
If other people have guns, they're going to take this guy out.
Bad people don't obey laws anyway.
It makes absolutely no sense what the liberals are arguing here.
We're not safer because Obama's president.
We're less safe because he can't recognize our enemies, refuses to acknowledge them, refuses to acknowledge what the foundation of their ideology, you know, gives the Iranians 150 billion dollars and lies about when they started their discussions with them, like Hillary Clinton did.
Hillary Clinton was involved in that stupidity, just like Benghazi became a disaster they feel they can lie about that.
Why?
What was that lie about?
They couldn't admit it was terror, so they had to make up a lie.
Well, it was a youtube video, at a spontaneous demonstration and a guy just decided to pull out his uh, you know his his grenade launcher and start firing at innocent people.
It was spontaneous, it was related to a youtube video.
It's a lie.
These people lie.
These people cannot recognize truth and then they accuse everybody else who sees the truth of being bigoted.
It's it's an upside-down Or Wellian nightmare we're living in anyway.
Back to our phones, Jonathan in New Jersey, the All-new A M710 W-or-r.
The TALK in New York or New Jersey.
Hi hi Sean, thank you for taking my call.
What's going on?
I'm a gay Republican and a Trump supporter and I am heartbroken over what happened in Orlando.
What breaks my heart even more is how Obama and Hillary openly blame guns when in fact it was radical Islam and ISIS.
By doing this, they are doing a huge disservice to the gay community and the victims and the Families.
And meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation are cashing checks from those who follow Sharia law and kill these people.
Let me ask you a question.
How long have you listened to my program?
Every day for the past five years.
Okay.
How many times have you heard me say, I don't care what people do in their bedroom, it's none of my business?
Every day.
Okay.
How many times have you heard me say, I don't get it?
I don't understand.
Like some people in the gay and lesbian community are mad at me because I don't want to change the definition of marriage.
I don't care if you do whatever you want, but I don't think we should change the definition.
That's absolutely fine.
But you know, we fear our job.
We fear getting kicked out of school.
I understand.
Listen, nobody should, it's nobody's damn business what you do privately.
It really isn't.
It's not my business.
But here's the point.
I'm talking about countries where she's taking money from that throw gays off the roof and bury them in the sand and then stone their heads to death.
I'm talking about people that literally are put in jail because they're gay and the Clintons take money from them.
I don't understand why the gay and lesbian community doesn't say, Hannity's right about Sharia.
He's right about radical Islam.
Stand with him.
They're persecuting gays.
And while we're fighting the real enemy, we can argue about gay marriage and have a beer.
You're 100% right, and I think they'll be coming out soon.
Absolutely.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
You're watching innocent people slaughtered.
You see women treated worse than cattle.
I mean, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
They're living back centuries and centuries and centuries ago.
And I wouldn't want their blood money.
Would you?
No, it's disgusting.
Well, look, disgusting what they're doing.
And I do think that this particular nightclub was targeted because he doesn't like gays and lesbians, and he thinks the Quran tells him to kill them.
You know, my faith, look, I'm not the greatest Christian in the world, but my faith tells me, you know, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and love thy neighbor as thyself.
And to me, that means everybody.
That's it.
You know, those are the two laws.
Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself means you're nice to everybody.
Absolutely.
All right.
Well, I'm sorry.
Thank you for taking my call, Sean.
You're a good American.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
And I really mean it.
I love the people, Orlando.
They shouldn't have to be going through this.
Breaks my heart.
Then they hear people in total denial.
But let's take their guns.
If I was in there with Bo Didle, we would have fought for the people there.
We would have fought till we went down.
Law-abiding gun owners, if they have guns, they're going to defend innocent people that don't want to carry guns.
Oh, my God.
Dude, get out of here.
Oh, my God, dude.
Firing off shots.
His blood splattered on me.
I just remember just the screaming, and I was like, are you kidding me?
Oh, my God.
So I dropped down, and I'm crawling out.
And I'm just like, oh, my God, please, please, please, please.
I don't know where my son is.
No one can tell me where my son is.
If he's been shot, if he's dead, no one knows.
He's not answering the phone.
He was shot?
We don't know.
He's in the women's bathroom with the hostage.
He's hostage from the shooter.
How did you find out he was taking and calling me?
What did he tell you exactly?
That the shooter has them in the women's bathroom hostage, and he's going to die.
Give me all your phones.
Who's in here?
Are you guys black?
And a couple of them say, yeah.
He said that I don't have an issue with the blacks.
And then he got on the phone.
I don't know if it was with the news or the police department telling them that to stop, America needs to stop bombing ISIS.
All I was hearing the bang, bang, bang.
I thought it was part of a song.
Maybe in England.
You know, it sounds like something they come out with.
And then when you turn around, the person next to you is like screaming, there's blood splattering.
I didn't know if it was mine or somebody else's.
All right, more of the sounds of jihad in America as we continue our news roundup and information overload hour of the program.
One of the big questions we have in all of this, one of the more disturbing questions in the aftermath, has to do with Homeland Security and their investigation into this ISIS mass murderer, Mateen, who gunned down all these people on Saturday night.
Now the FBI acknowledges they launched two separate investigations into his terror ties, and that included three interrogations, after which the FBI decided to close the case on this guy that would launch the most deadly terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9-11 because of lack of evidence.
Why wasn't it at least kept on the back burner?
Why wasn't he kept on a terror watch list?
Now, I suspect that a former terror investigator with the Department of Homeland Security has the answer.
Now, if you remember, after Sam Bernardino, there was a Department of Homeland Security agent.
His name is Phil Haney.
He revealed the administration ordered his unit to shut down investigations on Muslim suspects and worst of all, destroy the files to make sure those investigations could not be resurrected if new evidence emerged.
And that begs the question: you know, did the FBI do the same thing?
But anyway, back in February, Haney told The Hill, in early November 2009, I was ordered by my superiors at the Department of Homeland Security to delete or modify several hundred records of individuals tied to designated Islamic terrorist groups from the important federal database.
Well, why would you do that?
Because if he was on a watch list, he wouldn't have been able to buy a gun.
Or at least the FBI would have been notified that he bought a gun and certainly red-flagged if he bought a gun.
Anyway, those types of records are the basis for any ability to connect the dots.
Every day, DHS customs and border protection officers watch entering and exiting of many individuals associated with known terrorist affiliations and they look for patterns.
Enforcing a political scrubbing of records of Muslims greatly affected our ability to do that.
And even worse, going forward, my colleagues and I were prohibited from entering pertinent information into the database.
Now, members of Congress grilled the Obama administration demanding why subordinates were still failing to understand the intelligence that they had gathered.
Well, he said, I was being forced to delete and scrub the records.
And I was well aware that as a result, it was going to be vastly more difficult to connect the dots in the future, especially before an attack occurs.
Anyway, I think this is pretty scary.
We know that the Orlando fathers, Orlando Schooter's father supported the Taliban.
You know, he went out there yesterday, he's quoted all over the place, saying his son was not a radical or radicalized.
He just didn't like seeing gay people kissing in Miami.
How many times on this program have I said and questioned why is the gay and lesbian community not standing with the likes of Sean Hannity and speaking out about Sharia law?
I've raised the question so many times.
Why is Hillary Clinton taking all of this money from all of these countries that have these horrible track records, human rights records for women and gays?
And she seems, they seem to have bought her silence.
It does matter where you take money from.
It does matter if that money silences you speaking out.
It matters in a big way.
Jonathan Gillam, Navy SEAL, former federal air marshal, Hassan Hassan is the author of ISIS Inside the Army of Terror, and he's a fellow at the Tahrir Institute.
Hassan is from Syria, an ISIS territory, and he has spoken with ISIS members.
He understands their mindset.
Also, Michael James Barton is a former White House Homeland Security staffer and Defense Department counterterror expert.
Anyway, welcome all of you to the program.
Thank you.
Hassan Hassan, let me start with you.
You know ISIS.
You know their mindset.
We see this is happening all over Europe where refugees now get into these countries, they commit acts of terror.
Now we're debating how is it possible this father had radical views, this son was known to law enforcement.
How did we miss this?
Well, I mean, this is part of the problem with ISIS.
It's undetectable.
It's very hard to detect these patterns.
And in fact, the two attacks, the two recent attacks in the United States in particular, are particularly difficult to detect.
They're unlike the European attacks where the perpetrators came from a neighborhood that is well known to be a hotbed for jihadists and so on.
But he went into his workplace and said he was a member of al-Qaeda.
He went into his workplace and he stated his affiliation with radicalism and terrorism.
They investigated him for 10 months and then just a few months later they investigated him again.
They also found that he seemed psychologically or mentally unstable.
In 2013 he claimed to be a member of Hezbollah and in 2014 he claimed to be or he was actually associated through his brother I think with Jabbat al-Nusa al-Qaeda franchise in Syria and in 2016 obviously now he's supposedly affiliated to ISIS.
Now that that cannot be I mean ideologically or you know you cannot have a person who has loyalty to these groups because they're different.
They're fighting each other.
They are about enemies to each other.
So it just shows how this was a random in terms of psychologically just a random person who attacked, carried out these attacks because, like you said, he's outraged to see gay people or because he was inspired to take revenge on behalf of ISIS against American citizens.
Well, obviously he had these viewpoints.
Obviously he had these radical associations and views.
Jonathan Gillam, the FBI, has nearly 1,000 active ISIS probes inside the United States, now in all 50 states.
So this really can impact all of us.
You know, absolutely, Sean.
One of the things that I think needs to be brought up is that we have never declared war on any of these people, largely in part because we have politicians, administrators that are ineffective at having a strategic plan on how to battle these fundamentalists.
And I know it's difficult to declare a war on an ideology, but what we can do to get around that is whenever a group pops up that follows the same fundamentalistic ideology, we can declare war on them because they're going to declare war on us.
ISIS has declared war on us.
And if we do that, what is going to change, and this is where the strategic plan comes into effect, is that these 1,000 investigations that you're talking about in all 50 states, we would be able to potentially detain some of these people when they start showing that they are either sympathetic or supporting ISIS or any of these groups that we've declared war on.
But right now, what happens is we've seen in San Bernardino, as we've definitely seen in Boston, and now we definitely have seen it here in Orlando, is that when you open investigation on somebody, you can find out that they are sympathetic to a group that hates us, but you cannot detain them for that.
And there is where the problem lies, because these thousand investigations, Sean, it's not just one investigator or two investigators looking at this.
If you made a phone call right now and said that I was a terrorist, there's going to be a team of people on me 24 hours a day.
And most of those are eliminated pretty quickly.
But that's a huge amount of manpower that is being wasted because we simply could go and detain these people until the investigation is completely finished.
And in the case of this guy in Florida, once you are a part of a terrorist investigation, I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to get a weapon, but it should definitely pop when you go to buy one.
And so they can go and talk to you.
But it would have happened if they would have just kept him on the watch list, that would have happened.
But they didn't keep him on the watch list.
That's the problem.
And that's the mistake.
Everybody's trying to rub everybody's shoulders and be happy.
And you have activists like it's happened.
And now they're trying to turn this into a gay hate crime when the reality is they hate all of us.
They hate freedom.
And that's all true, but I do think there is an or Boston.
But there is this thing that we cannot deny.
There's various reports that indicate the death toll here.
But, you know, killing gay people is not ISIS law.
It's Muslim law.
There was a great piece out by Andy McCarthy today about that very point.
And this is, you know, by the way, this happens in countries and gays and lesbians are treated atrociously by countries that gave the Clinton Foundation all of this money.
Michael James Barton, your reaction.
Well, I have to agree with you.
One of the common threads of all these different groups who supposedly don't like each other, they're extremely hostile to freedom.
They're extremely hostile to homosexuals.
You look at Mossad Mazari in Seattle.
He, as a precursor to this, he tried to burn down a gay club in order to exterminate homosexuals.
Also in Seattle, you had Ali Muhabin Brown, who's been executing gays.
He was sent to prison, I believe, last year.
When you swim in a sea of hate against homosexuals, I don't think it should be all that surprising when you incite someone to go to do an act like this.
Just in Orlando, we had Farooq Shekhalishbar, who was a who was a sheikh just a few months ago saying that the compassionate thing to do with homosexuals is to execute them.
And if people listen to this and they swim in that sea of hate, whether they like al-Qaeda or they prefer Boko Haram or whoever, that sort of falls by the wayside when they're focused on hating a certain group.
So this should be no surprise to us.
Yeah, and the scary thing is, is when you have the moments, the opportunity, and you find out somebody thinks this way and somebody believes this crap and this garbage, you know, you ought to pay attention.
Now, I know ISIS claim responsibility.
Why?
Because this guy called 911 and he said, hey, I'm a supporter of ISIS.
And there might have been contradictory support for Hezbollah, for Shia versus Sunni in some instances.
But, you know, twice being investigated for terror ties, I understand they're inconclusive, but somebody that would ever state that they're aligned with, associated with, Hezbollah or with Al-Qaeda should never be off the watch list.
Hassan Hassan.
Is that out of political correctness?
You're absolutely right.
I mean, these are signs that this person needed to be, you know, more attention needed to be paid to this person and to make sure that he's not off the hook.
I agree with that.
And I also agree that the ideology part is a problem not only for Western people, but also for people in the Middle East who grapple with this new ideology of ISIS.
Of course, it recasts itself in traditional Islamic traditions.
But I give you two very short examples of how ISIS diverted from everyone else.
There is a statement last year, or the year before 2014, in fact, of the spokesperson of ISIS when he said, it's not enough.
Even if you recite the prayers as a Muslim and you face your, like we pray towards the Kaaba and Mecca and Saudi Arabia, you're not safe if you don't pledge allegiance to us.
So submission is not enough.
Submission to God is not enough.
Submission to the group should be the only criterion.
Well, otherwise you're viewed as an apostate.
And if you're viewed, the penalty for apostasism is death.
So even if you have more moderate views, your views can never be spoken because if they are, you'll be challenged immediately.
And therein lies the rub why you don't hear from more moderate people.
It's for their own safety.
You know, I believe strongly that common sense gun safety reform across our country would make a difference.
We know that gunmen used a weapon of war to shoot down at least 50 innocent Americans.
And we won't even be able to get the Congress to prevent terrorists or people on the no-fly list from buying guns.
This is just totally incomprehensible, Chris.
And I think we've got to get back to common sense gun safety reform.
And we can't fall into the trap that is set up by the gun lobby that says if you can't stop every shooting and every incident, you should not try to stop any.
We did have an assault weapons ban for 10 years and I think it should be reinstated.
The fact that we make it this challenging for law enforcement, for example, even to get to get alerted that somebody who they are watching has purchased a gun.
And if they do get alerted, sometimes it's hard for them to stop them from getting a gun is crazy.
It's a problem.
And we have to, I think, do some soul searching.
But again, the danger here is that then it ends up being The usual political debate and the NRA and the gun control folks say that, oh, Obama doesn't want to talk about terrorism.
And if you talk about terrorism, then people say, why aren't you looking at issues of gun control?
The point is, is that if we have self-radicalized individuals in this country, then they are going to be very difficult oftentimes to find ahead of time.
And how easy it is for them to obtain weapons is, in some cases, going to make a difference as to whether they're able to carry out attacks like this or not.
And we make it very easy for individuals who are troubled or disturbed or want to engage in violent acts to get very powerful weapons very quickly.
All right, so Hillary Clinton and, of course, Barack Obama, they want to make what happened in Orlando about guns and about weapons and about assault weapons bans.
Now we have Obama and Clinton.
Okay, they want to disarm Americans.
But if you're in a situation like San Bernardino, if you're in a situation like what happened in Orlando, is it better or worse if there's a law-abiding, trained, either off-duty police officer, military personnel, or maybe an armed citizen that has the ability to stop the killing?
In both the San Bernardino case and in this case in Orlando, the shooter, the terrorist, had an opportunity to reload.
Well, that gives somebody that maybe has a weapon an opportunity, even if they don't have quite the firepower of what the terrorists have.
And it's kind of beyond hypocritical to listen to the president and presidential candidate Clinton talk about banning weapons, assault weapons, when these are the very people that are making it possible for Iran to get nuclear weapons.
These are the very people that armed the Muslim, former Muslim Brotherhood head when he was in charge in Egypt, Mohamed Morsi, a guy that referred to the Israelis as descendants of apes and pigs.
Well, when he was the president of Egypt after the Arab Spring, well, Obama stepped up and let's see gave him tanks and F-16s and a billion dollars of taxpayer money.
Well, if we're worried about arming terrorists, why would you do that?
800-941-Sean is a toll-free telephone number.
I got a note over the weekend from Naren Anway, who's with us, a Syrian-American Christian activist.
And she told me she has credible information that, in fact, there are other attacks planned.
She's deeply connected into the refugee population, the Christian refugee population, and they have been following all of these attacks.
There's been very little reporting, except on this program and maybe on Fox News, of the literal extermination of Christians that is going on systematically throughout the Middle East and elsewhere.
Also, Jennifer Thalassinos is with us.
Remember, back in San Bernardino, she is the widow of Nicholas Thalassinos.
He was murdered by those terrorists in San Bernardino back in December of last year, where 14 people were killed and 22 seriously injured.
Welcome both of you to the program.
Thanks so much for being with us.
Thank you very much, Sean.
Narain, you're telling me you have information, credible information, that in fact, this is just the beginning.
Absolutely.
And firstly, as an Assyrian-American Christian from an area where ISIS has been grooming in Iraq, you know, my condolences go out to the families of the victims.
But the 50 victims who are sacrificed, Sean, were not just sacrificed primarily because they were homosexual, but it was also because they are considered by this ideology to be infidels and also because they are Americans.
You know, we've been living this nightmare in Iraq and Syria since 2014, and homosexuals are just one type of target by ISIS and their supporters.
I've been receiving information since 2014 from the Middle East that the main target outside of the Middle East for terrorism are the American people.
That's their end result.
It's not even truly Europe.
That's just the middle ground where they're using to transit.
And Omar Mateen evidently had communication with ISIS.
You know, he pledged allegiance to ISIS.
And there's a group behind him, you know, when he made that phone call in the bathroom to the police, where he pledged allegiance not only to ISIS, but to the ring leader in Iraq, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
He's made several foreign trips to the Middle East where he was communicating with people there and to two countries that we believe are ISIS funding and supporting countries like Dubai in the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia in 2011 and 12.
You know, he was on a terrorist screening database, and there are, I believe, 1,000 terrorist cases by an Intel source, and 80% of them in the United States are ISIS-related.
You know, there's a lot of terrorist killings just based on the ISIS ideology.
They don't exactly need to be in direct contact with ISIS to perform these slaughterings.
The ideology operates in PAC, and many will follow the steps that jihad perpetrated by Omar.
You know, we believe that this is absolutely just the beginning of the ring of attacks, and many will try to copycat him.
And once they have enough militants in disguise and these sleeper cells that we're receiving information from the Middle East that are being planted in the United States through the refugee crisis, and there's definitely a lot of ISIS leaders that are coming into the migration into the United States.
And I see how the corruption in our government is trying to steer this to be to bring up the gun and rifle concerns.
You know, that's exactly what they did to the Assyrian Christians and the Yazidis in Iraq.
Two weeks before ISIS invaded, the Kurdish government, the Islamic government, had removed, confiscated all of our weapons two weeks before ISIS invaded.
So my message to the American people is to never give up your fund rights because that's exactly what they did to us.
And our borders are wide open here, just like they were in Iraq.
They're making our country extremely vulnerable to more attacks.
And in a country as large as the United States, their next attack will definitely mirror 9-11.
In fact, they're planting it to exceed 9-11 because they get rewards from these ISIS funding and supporting countries.
And that'd be the last day that I would want to see happen to our American brothers and sisters, especially coming to a country to flee that terrorist activity.
And it's following up here.
And our government is just so naive, Sean.
They're so naive.
They keep labeling at everything for a radical Islamic jihadist attack.
This is truly a holy war from them.
And we are a pure example of what can happen here.
And it's not very far from here.
Our government had a chance to destroy ISIS when it was concentrated within Muslim Iraq and Raqqa, Syria.
And they did it.
He called it a JVT.
We've been trying to warn them.
And it seems like the conditions in their Western countries are worsening.
And the government is still naive.
And that's why they allowed the genocide to occur for so long.
And there is still no serious action.
And it seems like even the deaths of these fellow American brothers are.
You're following this.
And there has been genocide of Christians that the world has ignored.
And you have very eloquently and passionately, repeatedly on this program, been telling and informing our audience of how bad this really is.
Let me bring Jennifer into our conversation.
Jennifer, welcome back again.
I know it wasn't that long ago that you lost your husband, and I'm sure that the pain of that day stays with you even today, and I'm so sorry you lost him.
I know you can certainly sympathize with all that is going on in Orlando because you live this hell.
But, you know, now we discover certain things about the background and the knowledge that our government had about this guy, and it really makes you scratch your head.
It's beyond frustrating.
What are your thoughts?
First of all, hello, Sean.
When I heard about what had happened and then started hearing that the FBI had been looking at the guy from Orlando and that he was still somehow able to get these assault rifles and everything else, it's just, I can't believe it.
I mean, he was working for a company, from what I understand, that's contracted with Homeland Security.
Like, why was he allowed to continue working for them?
Why was he allowed to purchase any weapons whatsoever when he already had connection to terrorists?
We know for a fact from what was said.
And I noticed when the FBI had their press conference today, it just seemed like they were giving excuse after excuse as to that they did what they were supposed to and everything else.
And I'm like, yeah, but he was still able to do this.
And it sounds like a lot that he was on the FBI radar.
His ex-wife knew he had some issues.
And it's scary.
A lot of people, it just seems like these people that are becoming radicalized, like people are ignoring the signs of what's happening.
I mean, in the case the terrorists that killed my husband, I know that the people that worked with him did not know that he was radicalized, but we know that there were neighbors that saw him and his buddies doing some stuff at night that didn't look kosher.
And it turned out he was making bombs.
I'm like, why didn't somebody say something or do something?
It's just so frustrating.
And I said when after my husband was killed and after that terrorist attack, I'm like, that's not going to be the last one in the United States.
I knew that something else was going to happen.
I just had no idea it was going to happen so quickly.
It hasn't, it's barely been six months since the San Bernardino attack and to have this happen already.
And I'm going, how many more people are out there that are going to be self-radicalized?
They're going to turn around and do this.
And the other thing, too, is when they first started talking about the terrorists from Orlando, they were saying, making it sound like he was a lone wolf, he wasn't connected, and all of this.
But now this morning, the reports I keep hearing, it sounds like he was connected with other people.
So I'm like, who else is he connected with?
And is it going to be the same thing as what happened with San Bernardin, where they continued to arrest people connected to the original terrorists?
And I'm sure there's probably still others out there.
Let me ask you as somebody who lived through this.
I have been a licensed firearm.
I've had license to carry firearm licenses in five states, Rhode Island, California, Alabama, Georgia, and in New York.
I have carried a weapon since my 20s with me at all times.
Would you rather I be in San Bernardino?
Would you rather I be in that nightclub if something like this happens, somebody like myself or somebody like Bo Deedle or a retired military officer, would you prefer that we be there?
Oh, definitely.
When you had mentioned that on your program on Friday about that you have a weapon at all times.
Oh yeah.
I would much rather that there was somebody there that either had their concealed carry permit or somebody that was former military or in the police department or what have you there that could have possibly thought what had happened.
I mean, everything happened very quickly from what I understand, especially in San Bernardino.
Everything happened within minutes, but there's still that chance that somebody like you or Bo Dido or retired military could have stopped them from killing as many people as they did.
And I would much rather have somebody that's got a concealed carry permit in these facilities than not.
That's the reason why they're targeting these places because they know that people don't have guns and they know that they're soft targets.
And it's just scary.
They know where to attack.
I'm a school teacher, and of course, we're a soft target.
My husband and I, before all of this had happened, had talked about what would happen if somebody came in and tried to shoot up the school that I work at.
You know, we had had this conversation because of the fact I worked at a soft target.
I had no idea that it was going to turn out that it was going to be my husband that was going to be part of the school.
I know it's so sad.
When you told your story to me at the time, my heart was broken for you and for your husband.
Nobody should have to live this way.
And we don't have to live this way.
And there is a way to deal with this.
There is a clash of cultures that we must come to grips with that nobody wants to talk about.
I will talk about that clash of cultures.
I'll take all the incoming that is inevitable, but we can't let this happen again.
Listen, you're in our prayers.
Jennifer, thank you.
Narain, you're doing seriously.
You're doing God's work every day.
God bless you both, and I appreciate you all being with us.
Thank you.
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