Sean Hannity Show - Priebus: The GOP Will Unite

May 9, 2016 - Sean Hannity Show

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Priebus: The GOP Will Unite

Donald Trump sits down with RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to discuss the 2016 Presidential race. Priebus recommends Republicans who don't like Trump should simply not say anything. Plus, Paul Ryan is still withholding support for Trump. The Sean Hannity Show is live Monday through Friday from 3pm - 6pm ET on iHeart Radio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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	Did you pay close attention this weekend?
	You got uh John Kerry.
	I voted for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against politician.
	Uh talking about a borderless world we're gonna live in.
	Oh, this is great.
	Borderless world.
	Mm-hmm.
	Forget about the clash of civilizations that I often remind you about.
	And then you've got uh the anointed one.
	He's lucky, successful, and only lucky.
	You know, you didn't you didn't earn that, you didn't make that, you didn't build that.
	Listen to uh Kerry first.
	You are the most diverse class in Northeastern's history.
	In other words, you are Donald Trump's worst nightmare.
	But remember, please, we're not exceptional because we say we are and keep repeating it.
	We're exceptional because we do exceptional things.
	In other words, greatness isn't about bragging, it's about doing.
	It's about never being satisfied.
	It's about testing the limits of what we can achieve together.
	The future demands from us something more than a nostalgia for some rose-tinted version of a past that did not really exist in any case.
	And I think that everyone here, especially the class of 2016, understands that viscerally, internally, intellectually.
	You're about to graduate into a complex and borderless world.
	Complex and borderless world.
	So America, one world, you know, this is remember years ago, you had the conspiracy theorists, one world order.
	Boy, maybe they weren't so nutso after all, because that's exactly what it sounds like to me.
	A borderless world.
	So there is no United States of America.
	There is no Europe.
	There is no Middle East.
	We're all one big happy family.
	Oh, what about the clash of cultures?
	What about people that grow up under Sharia, and they think they have the right to tell women how to dress and have the right to tell women whether they can marry or go to school or go to work or drive a car and they can't vote, and you know, I wonder how we I wonder how we navigate through these minor little differences here, which is quite complex.
	So naive, so stupid, so ignorant, and he thinks he's so pompous and smart, it's an intellectual.
	What a snob.
	This guy has always been a snob.
	And then you got the anointed one.
	Member, you you didn't you didn't build that.
	Remember that?
	Couple of you you didn't build that.
	If you've been successful, you don't you didn't get there on your own.
	No.
	You didn't get there on your own.
	I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.
	There are a lot of smart people out there.
	It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.
	Let me tell you something.
	There are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
	If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
	There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.
	Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we had that allowed you to thrive.
	Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
	If you got a business, that you didn't build that.
	Somebody else made that happen.
	The internet didn't get invented on its own.
	Al Gore did government research created the internet.
	You built the business, you didn't you didn't build that.
	Where does this come from?
	Then there's Obama this weekend.
	We can't just lock up a low-level dealer without asking why this boy, barely out of childhood, felt he had no other options.
	We have cousins and uncles and brothers and sisters who we remember were just as smart and just as talented as we were, but somehow got ground down by structures that are unfair and unjust.
	And that means we have to not only question the world as it is and stand up for those African Americans who haven't been so lucky.
	Because yes, you've worked hard, but you've also been lucky.
	That's a Pet peeve of mine, people who've been successful and don't realize they've been lucky.
	That God may have blessed them.
	It wasn't nothing you did.
	So don't have an attitude.
	But we must also expand our moral imaginations to understand and empathize with all people who are struggling.
	Not just black folks who are struggling.
	The refugee, the immigrant, the rural poor, the transgender person.
	And yes, the middle-aged white guy who may you may think hey bandages, but over the last several decades has seen his world upended by economic and cultural and technological change and feels powerless to stop it.
	You got to get in his head too.
	Wow.
	Notice the change in tone and cadence and before predominantly black audiences.
	Gore did it, Hillary does it, Obama does it.
	It's insulting.
	You're not, you know, you're successful people, you're just lucky.
	You know, you didn't build that business.
	You didn't build that.
	This is what we're up against.
	This is now this there is no modern, there is no moderate Democrat anymore.
	It is hardcore leftist socialist statist.
	Which brings us to where the Republicans are.
	Well, I got we got this big meeting, Paul Ryan and Donald Trump coming up on Thursday.
	Paul Ryan now wouldn't, you know, why he did this, I don't know.
	Paul Ryan knew when he went on CNN.
	He doesn't do many interviews.
	How do I know?
	Because we try and book him for interviews.
	All of a sudden, Donald Trump gets the nomination, boom, up pops Paul Ryan.
	As if Paul Ryan didn't know he was going to be asked.
	Do you support the nominee?
	Logical question.
	And he went on purposefully to give that answer.
	And he's not the only one.
	You know, within a two-day period, then you had Bush 41, Bush 43, then you have Jeb Bush, then you had Lindsey Graham, then you had Bill Kristol aligning with Mitt Romney and Ben Sass in the hopes that they can form a third party, Lindsey Graham, another.
	By the way, didn't all those guys, all of the 17?
	Remember the first question back in August.
	Brett Bear asked the question at the first debate of all the candidates.
	Will you support the eventual nominee?
	There's only one person on the stage at the time.
	It became a big controversy who didn't raise his hand.
	And that was Donald Trump.
	And then the pressure was brought to bear on Trump to sign the pledge.
	Sign the pledge.
	Well, none of them thought that Trump was going to win at that point, did they?
	So they, of course, were willing.
	I'll support anybody else, not him.
	So doesn't this reinforce why people despise establishment, Republican candidates?
	Because they break their word constantly.
	Repeal and replace Obamacare if you give us the House.
	Okay, we'll have all of these meaningless votes on replacing Obamacare.
	They have no teeth in them because they wouldn't use the purse, the power constitutionally that they have to stop it.
	They could have at least aspects of it, but they didn't.
	They didn't want a confrontation.
	They didn't want to be blamed for a government shutdown.
	The entire election of 2014, give us the Senate, and we'll stop the president's illegal, unconstitutional actions on amnesty and immigration.
	His executive orders on immigration.
	Well, they got elected and they backed down.
	Then they funded it.
	Then they gave in.
	It's the same thing.
	So, you know what you look, if you're a voter out there, and I make distinctions here.
	I had a lot of discussions with a lot of different people over the weekend and a lot of friends.
	There are principled people that went all in for different candidates.
	I have friends that went all in for uh for Senator Ted Cruz.
	They're still, they're still unhappy that their guy lost.
	You know what?
	I'm not, I don't they can take as long as they need.
	I'm not mad at them at all.
	They didn't take a pledge, they didn't make a vow.
	They're not in the position of the speaker of the house of representatives.
	You had all of these big names together, and you've got almost an openly uh a group of people, high-ranking Republicans that are openly sabotaging their own party's Chances to take back the White House.
	I do have a problem with them.
	I do have a problem with Bill Kristol and Governor Romney, who I always liked.
	Always thought he was a decent man.
	Senator Ben Sass, how many times did we have Ben Sass on this program and we loved everything that he had to say?
	But now they're talking about a third party candidate candidate to guarantee that Hillary wins, and they're serious about it.
	This isn't a game.
	What does that mean for the openings on the Supreme Court?
	What does that mean for the border wall that most conservatives understand that we need for national security and for economic reasons when you have 20% of American families without a single member of the family in the workforce at all?
	And millions more in poverty and in food stamps.
	The competition for jobs and driving down wages.
	All of that's happening.
	I don't see Hillary Clinton becoming a fiscal conservative overnight.
	Why do we expect that the record deficits and record dead under Obama is going to stop?
	Hillary's not going to take back Obamacare and Obamacare and rescind it and replace it.
	She's not going to move towards energy independence.
	She wants to put the coal industry, the fracking industry, and the oil industry out of business.
	I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean, renewable energy as the key into coal country.
	Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.
	So you've got a whole groups of people now that have openly are sabotaging their own party's candidate.
	I'm going to ask Reince Priebus about this.
	Now, I got to, some people are okay with that.
	Some people think it's in the best interest of the Republican Party to do that.
	Then I guess do it.
	Paul Ryan knew what he was doing.
	Well, I'm not ready at this point.
	Well, we've been we've been talking to these candidates for a year.
	What specifically don't you like?
	What specifically do you need to talk about?
	And now he's talking about well, I'll step down as the convention chairman if Trump asks.
	Well, that's that's going to create more chaos.
	The media's going to love that.
	You know, John McCano, I don't quote often on this program because I'm not the biggest fan, and I think he's been part of the problem over the years.
	But he's got himself a tough election, especially after Trump did so well in the state of Arizona.
	Anyway, he went after party leaders yesterday, or those that are reluctant to back Trump saying that they're out of step with voters.
	Now Marco Rubio said the same thing.
	We better pay attention to what the voters are saying here.
	Because at the end of the day, with all the analysis that is out there, that this is the reason for Trump's success, and that's the reason for Trump's success.
	The real reason is the Republican Party failed on a very high level to fulfill what it is they said that they would do.
	And they weren't an opposition party.
	They became a rubber stamp party.
	And the people in record numbers said that they're fed up.
	They don't like the direction of the country.
	They certainly see that Hillary is a third term of Obama, and they're thinking, all right, let's take our chances with an outsider who shows that he has a spine and a backbone and is willing to fight.
	Not the perfect candidate.
	He's not a polished politician.
	We saw it over the weekend.
	He did clarify the remarks earlier today about raising taxes and on the minimum wage, but I know that that's going to be used for fodder for Trump's opponents and enemies, especially those that are trying to justify their decision to sit it out, which is basically a half a vote for Hillary.
	And I'm not talking about the people.
	I'm not talking about those that worked hard for Senator Cruz.
	That's a very different, very different point of view than the hardcore political class that is now openly involved in trying to undermine the will of the people and an election when they themselves are a big part of the cause of where we are at this particular moment.
	And those talking third party.
	This is not done by accident.
	This is done by design.
	This is done purposefully to prevent you, the will of the people, and there's nothing that they would like more than the day after election day to be able to go out publicly, even though they're responsible for undermining and hurting the chances of their candidate, their party's candidate, and chastise the voters for not following through on what it is they wanted them to do.
	By the way, they didn't want Cruz either.
	This became an insurgency year because of them.
	Anyway, it's it's really unbelievable to me.
	Survey USA poll released Friday.
	Jim Hoff reported on the Gateway Pundit.
	25% black respondents said they would vote for Trump over Clinton.
	Wow.
	Trump would more than double the best result for a Republican in modern American history.
	Looking at the last uh ten presidential election cycles, the highest black vote share for a Republican was Bob Dole in 1996, 12%.
	Well, blacks today make up 22% of the Democratic vote.
	If Democrats lost 25%, they would lose Florida, Virginia, Ohio, and North Carolina.
	You know why?
	I mean, who has been disproportionately impacted more than any other group by the horrible economic policies of Obama?
	Black Americans.
	55% of black teenagers can't get a summer job.
	Yeah, one in four families, American families have zero family members in the labor force.
	It's a country that can't survive.
	It's a socialist utopia already.
	You can't make it on those numbers.
	Anyway, Paul Ryan saying he'll step down as convention chair if Trump wants.
	It just is so infuriating.
	Oh, like he needs to know is he really mean what he says?
	Byron York had a column out quoting Bill Bennett, who might have some insight.
	He's friends with Ryan.
	He just wants to know if they agree on principle.
	But what do you not know at this point?
	Seriously.
	What do you not know?
	I can tell you.
	He says, you know what it is?
	I'm telling you, that's a power play.
	These guys thought this was going to the convention, at least going to June 7th, and they thought that they'd have some leverage over whoever the candidates were, and they'd use that leverage to negotiate things they wanted.
	That leverage is now gone.
	It's non existent.
	Um Facebook, it's pretty interesting.
	Talk about liberal bias in the media doesn't surprise anybody listening to this program, but with the rise of new media, you know, largely digitally based, countless new voices, including conservative voices.
	I actually love people, even people that hate me on Twitter and Facebook, I love it.
	Because people are more engaged than they've ever been.
	However, and by the way, they get their news from a million sources.
	It's hard to break news now.
	Because they people have options.
	They have choices.
	Their phones beep as soon as something breaks.
	It's a very different world that we live in.
	Anyway, in an interview with this website, Gizmoto, I guess is how you call it, a former worker at Facebook admitted that that social network suppressed conservative news and opinions.
	The worker who worked as a news individual for the website for Facebook said that workers regularly kept stories, including, quote, right wing CPAC gathering, Mitt Romney, Ram Paul, other conservative topics from appearing on Facebook's influential trending topics section.
	Depending on who was on a shift, things would be blacklisted or trending, said the former person, former news person.
	Anyway, the individual wanted to remain anonymous, citing fear of retribution from the company, but anyway, the person's politically conservative, one of a very small handful.
	I'd come on a shift and I'd discover that CPAC or Mitt Romney or Glenn Beck or popular conservative topics would be trending because would not be trending because either the person didn't recognize the news topic or as they had a bias against Ted Cruz.
	Does that surprise any of you?
	Doesn't surprise me.
	Hillary got a great endorsement from former Mexican president Vicente Fox.
	I had an interview years ago with Vicente Fox.
	He wouldn't even admit that there's such a thing as illegal immigration.
	They're migrants, he kept saying, I said, no, they're not.
	They're breaking our laws, not respecting our sovereignty.
	He said they're migrants.
	Meanwhile, Mexico, they have a pretty tough policy on immigration, a lot tougher than ours.
	They put you in jail if you come from Central America, El Salvador, Nicaragua.
	Hillary claims Republicans can't wait to support her.
	I'd like to know who these people are.
	Just bring me five of them.
	Some of your aides talk about something called Republicans for Hillary.
	They think that with Donald Trump getting the nomination, it opens a certain kind of Republican voter to you that may not have been available before.
	How do you get that voter?
	The skeptical voter who's skeptical of Hillary Clinton, but that you might be able to get now.
	What's the pitch to them?
	Well, obviously, I'm reaching out to Democrats, Republicans, independents, all voters who want a candidate who is running a campaign based on issues, who has been willing to put out plans and explain those plans and talk about how to pay for those plans, who has a track record of getting results for people.
	No, who understands that although we do live in a dangerous world, there's nothing we can't meet in terms of the challenges we face if we put our minds to it.
	And so I think that for a lot of people, again, who take their vote seriously and who really see this as a crossroads kind of election.
	Uh, I am asking people to come join this campaign, and I've had a lot of outreach from Republicans in the last days who uh say that uh they are interested in talking about that.
	Now, let's say you were against Trump and you supported any of the other 16 candidates for a minute.
	I had to laugh over the weekend.
	I really did.
	I laughed out loud.
	You know, when I watched Trump, he was given a speech.
	And, you know, I read a report, Hillary's gonna take the high road in the campaign against Trump.
	The Clintons have never taken the high road in their entire lives.
	Uh so yeah, there's not going to be any personal attacks from Hillary.
	Uh that's a lie.
	It's gonna be a billion dollars unbridled attacks against Trump, whoever the VP is, Republicans in general, that they're racist, sexist, that they hate poor people, but they want to throw Granny over the cliff.
	It's the same old, same old from them.
	Didn't work, by the way, when they spent what, I think in Indiana alone.
	So much one point six million dollars in ads.
	That's a lot of money.
	It's not the most expensive media market in the world.
	Anyway, so Donald Trump this weekend decided to step it up and called out President Clinton for his mistreatment of women and how Hillary is an enabler.
	Listen.
	What they're doing is $90 million of ads on Donald Trump, and it has to do a lot with the women's issue, right?
	And I'm saying to myself, but nobody in this country, and maybe in the history of the country politically, was worse than Bill Clinton with women.
	He was a disaster.
	He was a disaster.
	I mean, there's never been anybody like this.
	And she was a total enabler.
	She would go after these women and destroy their lives.
	I mean, have you ever read what Hillary Clinton did to the women that Bill Clinton had affairs with?
	And they're going after me with women.
	Give me a break, folks.
	Give me a break.
	Bill Clinton was the worst in history, and I have to listen to her talking about it.
	And just remember this.
	She was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler.
	And what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful.
	So put that in her bonnet and let's see what happens, okay?
	You know what I love about this?
	Republicans never fight.
	To win or lose, I have no crystal ball.
	What candidate could have done better, we'll never know.
	If any.
	They couldn't do better in getting the nomination.
	So you have to look at that.
	But I love that whatever comes or comes what may this year, there's gonna be a fight on their terms, because this is what Democrats do every election year, and Republicans have no answer, no antidote, and no backbone.
	I don't think that's gonna be the case this year.
	Let me give you some background.
	Um anyway, it came up with Chris Wallace, Paul Manafort, who's the delegate guy that was brought on by the the Trump people.
	And um Was asked, asked by Wallace exactly what Hillary did to destroy Bill's victims.
	Um he didn't want to talk about it.
	But I can tell I can answer Chris's question.
	And we could start with Monica Lewinsky.
	Remember, Drudge broke the Lewinsky story.
	Immediately the White House tried to destroy Monica's credibility.
	Hillary's best friend.
	Remember, it was Goosefer, this hacker guy that actually discovered the relationship between Sid Vicious Blumenthal and Hillary Clinton.
	So Hillary's best friend Vicious was dispatched to spread the word throughout the media that Monica was a crazy sex obsessed nut job.
	Remember the late Chris Hitchens.
	Blumenthal told him personally that, quote, Miss Lewinsky, quoted had been a stalker, and then the president, quote, was the victim of a predatory and unstable, sexually demanding young woman.
	That's how they portrayed the intern for crying out loud.
	Now, Blumenthal, anyway, worked directly for Hillary Clinton.
	He didn't work for Bill Clinton.
	He was he was and is Hillary's most trusted confidant.
	Remained so when he worked at the State Department when she worked there.
	And Blumenthal never did anything that Hillary doesn't authorize or approve of.
	He was acting in that capacity when Hillary ordered him to destroy Monica Lewinsky.
	And she never said a word.
	And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the effort, coordinated effort to destroy the women that Bill Clinton had these relationships with, and in some cases they weren't consensual.
	Well, Jennifer Flowers and Kathleen Willie were terrorized by Hillary's secret police.
	You know, Anthony Pelicano and Jack Paladino were on the Clinton campaign payroll.
	Dick Morris has spoken at length about this, documented at length, how those guys were used to intimidate Bill's victims.
	Then you got Paula Jones who claims that he pulled down his pants and said kiss it.
	Then you got Kathleen Willie, who said that he pushed her up against the wall and started groping and fondling and grabbing and kissing and touching against her will.
	And Juanita Broderick, I've interviewed her right here on this program and on TV.
	She claimed it was outright rape.
	And there's other people as well, Elizabeth Ward Grayson and Dolly Kyle Browning, and you know, they were all subject to IRS audits.
	Remember that?
	Guess who ran the IRS?
	Hillary's BFF from her Wellesley days.
	Margaret Milner Richardson.
	So we're going to do our best to keep the media up to speed on this information.
	They might have forgotten I have it.
	By the way, in Chicago, we have an update from the front lines of this transgender bathroom battle.
	Anyway, as of this morning, boys who attend Chicago public schools now have the right to march right into the girls' locker room and parade around in their birthday suit.
	I'm just telling you what the story says.
	Don't blame me.
	This was in the Daily Signal.
	They announced Monday in Chicago, their public schools that students and staff must be granted unfettered access to intimate school facilities based on their chosen gender identity.
	Boys now have the right to undress in the girls' locker room before gym class so long as they say they would feel more comfortable doing so.
	Chicago Public Schools, they cite Title IX and sexual harassment policies to justify the new policies.
	North Carolina, you're planning a family vacation this summer.
	Might want to consider visiting North Carolina, a state now in the Obama administration's crosshairs over this transit gender bathroom issue.
	If you don't think girls should be forced to share the bathroom with biological male adults, then probably North Carolina would appreciate your business because officials in North Carolina filed a lawsuit today against the federal government in an effort to keep the state's controversial bathroom law in place.
	I don't know why they call it controversial, but you know, if they I wonder if they polled this issue.
	Should biological males be allowed to use the girls' room?
	What eighty twenty issue?
	90-10?
	I don't know.
	So that's going on.
	And uh I'll give you some more information on you're interested.
	I can see everyone in the other room Is now all of a sudden interested.
	It's a sex topic.
	Sorry.
	How dare I deviate away from politics?
	The Obama Justice Department says a new law that bans individuals from using public bathrooms that do not correspond with their biological sex as dictated by their birth certificates is a violation of the Civil Rights Act.
	I'm not kidding.
	In other words, the state of North Carolina that passed a law that says a person who is biologically a man as declared on their birth certificate can't use a bathroom facility for women.
	Even if that man insists that he's really a woman trapped in a man's body.
	And the federal government is intruding into the case, threatening to bring North Carolina to its knees unless it complies with this unconstitutional power grab.
	By the way, a few things to keep in mind.
	One is the law only applies to government buildings and schools and universities and highway rest stops.
	It doesn't apply to the private sector.
	In fact, it says the government shouldn't make bathroom laws for anyone in the private sector.
	Second, North Carolina governor Pat McCorry was on uh Fox News Sunday.
	He doesn't have the authority to change the law.
	It was passed by the legislature.
	And one of the one thing the nation has to realize there's no longer just a North Carolina issue.
	This ordered by the Justice Department is saying that every company in the U.S. that has over fifteen employees are gonna have to abide by the federal government's regulation now of bathrooms.
	An extraordinary example, by the way, of federal government making a law for for them rather than enforcing the law as the Constitution states.
	Federal laws use the term sex, and Congress dot does not define sex as including gender identity or other terms that the Justice Department is currently using.
	In other words, Obama's Justice Department has now redefined the word sex to ensure that men who think that they're women can use the female restroom or shower or locker room, and they are declaring it a civil right.
	Oh, good grief.
	I don't even know where to go begin here.
	I just don't.
	It's a huge issue.
	Gotta deal with it.
	Anyway, the goal's clear.
	We have to acknowledge that there are biological differences between men and women.
	I should bring Bruce Jenner on to talk about it.
	Well, I've gotten along with him.
	I talked to him.
	You know, since he became when he became Caitlin, we had a long discussion.
	I think he'd be good on it.
	I understand his point of view, but I'm I'm curious where he stands on this.
	Republican.
	He's the speaker of the House.
	He's the highest ranking elected Republican in the country right now.
	He's the chairman of the convention.
	Back in March, you said he'd pay a price if he didn't get along with you.
	What is that price?
	Well, we're gonna see what happens.
	Uh he wants to meet, he'd like to meet, and I think we're meeting on Thursday, and we'll just see what happens.
	It's just more drama, but I think it's a mistake not to do this.
	We want to bring the party together.
	Does the party have to be together?
	Does it have to be unified?
	I'm very different than everybody else, perhaps that's ever run for office.
	I actually don't think so.
	I think that's I don't think so.
	I think it would be better if it were unified.
	I think it would be uh there would be something good about it, but I don't think it actually has to be unified in the traditional sense.
	I'm going to do what I have to do.
	I have millions of people that voted for me because I have strong borders, because I want strong trade.
	I want good trade.
	I want trade.
	I don't want to be an isolationist, but what's happening with China, what's happening with Japan, what's happening with Mexico?
	They're just absolutely eating our lunch.
	It's a shame.
	It's terrible.
	So I have to stay true to my principles also.
	And I'm a conservative, but don't forget.
	This is called the Republican Party.
	It's not called the Conservative Party.
	You know, there are conservative parties.
	This is called the Republican Party.
	I am a conservative.
	All right, that was from this weekend with George Stephanopoulos.
	That was Donald Trump speaking out.
	So this all started last week, seemed almost coordinated as it came out one right after the other.
	First it was what, Paul Ryan, then it's Lindsey Graham, then it's Jeb Bush.
	You have Bill Kristol and Mitt Romney and Ben Sass working actively to put possibly put a third party candidate on the ballot.
	And joining us to uh discuss what's going on behind the scenes is uh Rhin Sprevus, the chairman of the RNC, uh, who I would never want his job.
	How are you?
	Hey, you've got a lot of material.
	I'm doing great.
	How are you, Sean?
	I'm good.
	I'm not happy with Paul Ryan.
	I'm not happy.
	Both Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham.
	Remember it was a big deal, first debate.
	Let's go back to August.
	First debate, first question, Brett Baer.
	Uh, will you support the nominee if it's not you?
	The only one person who didn't raise their hand was Donald Trump.
	And it was a big deal to get Donald Trump to say he would support the nominee.
	Jeb Bush made the pledge.
	Lindsay Graham made the pledge, and now they're backing away from their pledge.
	What's your reaction?
	Well, it's disappointing.
	I mean, obviously, and um people obviously give their word to support the nominee.
	But it's more than that, Sean.
	It's giving their word to support the nominee in exchange for data and tools from the RNC.
	It's not just a pledge that it's not just a pledge that just Yeah, but they gave it they gave it when they didn't think Trump had a shot.
	So they didn't think it was a big deal.
	And then they lost, and then they now turn around.
	I mean, I think this only reinforces in some people's minds the politicians can't be trusted.
	Well, look at I mean, there's a lot of politicians that can't be trusted, there's no doubt about it.
	But Hillary's at the top of the list, Sean, is that there's I think that what people ought to do is just if you can't say anything nice right now, just don't say anything and be supportive and give give Donald Trump an opportunity to kind of just be the guy that is out there fighting Hillary Clinton as opposed to giving him all of these.
	Well, then that raises the question on top of it.
	Paul Ryan doesn't do many interviews.
	So he goes on CNN last week.
	He knows he's gonna be asked the question about Donald Trump, and he he purposely goes on to stir things up.
	Why?
	Well, look, I think that Paul's always said he's gonna support the nominee.
	I think in his case, and I think he's being very honest about it, is that I think in his case he was asked more or less, you know, on whether or not he would fully embrace and endorse.
	I think in his mind that was a different step from just saying, of course I'm gonna support the nominee.
	Now a bear hug endorsement.
	I want to talk to Donald Trump.
	I want to make sure that he's on he's where he needs to be.
	And by the way, I want to get there.
	No, that's not what he's saying.
	He looked this process has been going on for a year.
	I can literally recite every single of the seventeen candidates' platforms.
	I can tell you the differences, I can tell you where they're alike.
	He knows where Donald Trump is on the issues, and yet he decided to go out there.
	Doesn't this weaken the Republican Party from within?
	It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, Sean.
	In fact, I think after a few weeks and and seeing people come together and hopefully Paul will get there soon, and I think he will.
	I think it actually can make him look stronger.
	And so um this is different.
	I mean, this isn't and that's okay, because you know what?
	A lot of smart people every four years come around.
	Not me necessarily, but people like me come around and say, Here's who's great, here's who's gonna be bad.
	And the question I have for everyone is well, how have we been doing lately?
	Not very good.
	So, you know, different and new is not a bad thing.
	You know, the old I can explain the old way hasn't worked out, Sean.
	I can accept that, for example, especially like Ted Cruz, who went all the way to the end and only got out last week, and some of his supporters uh they have maybe some honest differences or don't like the tenor or the tone of the campaign between Ted and and Trump.
	So I can understand where they're coming from.
	Here's the problem though, is both Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham made a promise.
	Paul Ryan knew what he was doing.
	Then you got former former nominee Mitt Romney aligning with a new senator, Ben Sass, aligning with an establishment guy, Bill Crystal, and they are openly talking about third party.
	Now, when I put all of this together, and then I can add George Will into the mix and some others, it sounds like they are trying to sabotage any chance of Trump to win this win this election.
	I don't know the inner workings of the minds of all the people you laid out, but I do know that Paul Ryan has a pure heart that wants to get there.
	I believe he will, and he's not being dishonest or conspiratorial.
	I actually think it will work out.
	I've talked to him, I've talked to Donald Trump multiple times uh last week and through the weekend.
	They're both in a good place.
	I I I just think that it's a very important thing.
	Well it doesn't sound like it.
	They are.
	No, but that was uh but he also said that he he Trump's gonna be the nominee, he's gonna do and perform exactly as he wants as convention chairman.
	So I mean it's an acknowledgement actually that he's trying to be a team player, like look, I'm not gonna sit here and try to cut it was his way of trying to cool the temperature down.
	So I mean I'm I think it's also incumbent on all of us and not necessarily you because you're not a necessarily a party guy or anything like that.
	I'm not saying that but it's also important to be a non anxious leader at a time that is giving people a lot of concern and if if all I do and I'm not I mean you have if do you have a different job to do.
	I'm not suggesting you shouldn't but you know I I'm not going to try to jam people up right off the bat and say you've got to get in this box and if you don't get in this box I think we have to get people in on their own accord in it with haste but we will get there.
	And it's a few people.
	I mean there's also a lot of people that are very very happy to to mean Dick Cheney, Pete Ricketts many of many of these other folks are are are doing the right thing and I'm not saying it's the wrong thing to take some time, but I think they'll get there.
	And I think we should just start looking at the glass half full a little bit more instead of having when is this ever happened though?
	I mean Bush forty one, Bush 43, Jeb Bush, Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney.
	I mean these are these have gotten the full backing and support.
	I mean it seems like they don't like it seems like they don't like the way the people voted here.
	That's how I'm interpreting it.
	It's not exactly the same but I mean it has happened in the past with with leaders like Pat Buchanan and others where things had to be worked out and they were worked out and there was some drama.
	But look this is different and we acknowledge it.
	But I'm telling you I think in the end I I I I think people's heads are in the right place and they're getting there and it's my job to try to work as hard as I can to get more people there.
	Have you talked to Mitt Romney and Ben Sass about their plans to maybe get a third party candidate?
	No.
	I have not talked to Mitt Romney or Ben.
	I don't believe it for a second and you know why I in some ways maybe I should talk to them about it.
	But on the other hand, Sean I start making phone calls like that and then it's like well the party chairman is I'm not going to give any gas to that to that fire.
	I mean I I don't need to acknowledge stupid ideas by calling people on those ideas.
	It it it all it will do is ensure a liberal Supreme Court for generations.
	Um I think that people will understand pretty shortly that this isn't a game.
	This is about the future of our country and we need to make sure that we I we have the White House.
	Yeah it'd be nice to what extent do you agree with my argument that Republicans breaking their promises and not using their constitutional authority of the power of the purse and running in twenty fourteen and stuff and and saying they'd stop executive amnesty.
	How much did that contribute to this insurgency year?
	I'm not sure because you know I thought Ted Cruz captured that feeling very well he's an insurgent too, right?
	No that's right, but I'm just saying my point I guess is that Donald Trump has been a a different entity and of um himself.
	I mean we have we had plenty of options of people that were making the case that the reason we need to go to a different direction is that Republicans didn't follow through on their promises.
	I think you know almost every one of those folks were saying that same exact thing for a year.
	Uh and and but Donald Trump was able to capture the culture in a way that I don't think anyone could have imagined and they would be lying if they said that they could have.
	So I think you have two things.
	You have one the insurgency and the anti Washington piece, but you also have a person that is just very gifted at capturing an audience, the media and the American people when he talks and so are you going to call out the whole package.
	Are you going to call out Lindsay and say uh Governor Bush and say why did you make a promise if you didn't intend to keep it well I mean obviously I'm gonna I I'm gonna do some things in private that I'm not gonna discuss in public but it is disappointing.
	I've said it was disappointing.
	I mean obviously you can't beat people brow beat people into submission but you can try to make the case slowly and s but surely over time and try to win otherwise you know people that were opposed win them over and that's what that's what my job is.
	Based on what they're saying I don't think there's any winning anybody over what happens Thursday.
	Are you gonna be at at this meeting on Thursday with uh Ryan and Trump?
	Yeah so well I'll be there and you know just trying to find common ground and make sure that things are moving in a positive direction.
	That's going to be my effort and making sure that we have you know some understanding that uh we're gonna have a unified party and that's my that's my role.
	That's why we're having the meeting together.
	You like the idea I I've I have two ideas that I think would might help Donald Trump.
	One is and Paul Ryan and I had talked about this six, seven months ago that Republicans need to nationalize the election again like they did in ninety four and put on paper promises that they're gonna fulfill.
	I like the idea of promises to America, Trump's promises to America, Republicans' promises to America on a contract, I don't care what you call the stupid thing.
	Is that a good idea?
	That's a it's a wonderful idea, and it's an idea that I believed in as well, right with you.
	And for whatever reason, people weren't interested in following through on it, but we did it on our own.
	You might remember with the principle of American renewal at GOP dot com.
	I think Paul Ryan's exactly right on that, having an agenda that people could look to and point to.
	And actually think Donald Trump thinks it's a good idea too.
	So I mean, there is a lot of common ground here, and I think people ought to focus on that and instead of the few differences, because eighty percent of it were all on the same page.
	You know, if you're eighty percent a friend, you're not an enemy, right?
	Exactly.
	I mean party by subtracting people out of the room, that's for sure.
	Have you talked to uh Senator Cruz yet?
	I called Senator Cruz last week.
	He's going to be in town this week, and I'm sure I'm gonna see him.
	Okay, so you're gonna and uh do you have any indication where he is right now?
	I don't, but he's always been a team guy with the party.
	He really has.
	I know it all seems like the party's at odds with the case.
	Yeah, but the par the party hated him because he stood up to the party.
	I mean, let's be honest.
	Let's remember this.
	The RNC was the very first email blast supporting Ted Cruz in October of twenty thirteen, came from the RNC.
	And I'm not saying you're the problem.
	I'm saying the politicians are the problem.
	But I just want to make but I just want to make sure all the people listening understand because we get lumped in with the whole sort of general uh opinion.
	It was the INC that led the way supporting Ted Cruz when he went to the floor.
	Don't we risk everyone talks about down ballot races that are coming up this year?
	It's already an uphill battle to maintain the Senate.
	If if the leaders of the Republican Party come out like they have against you know, the the the person that that's gonna be running for president, doesn't that hurt everybody down ballot too?
	Yeah, of course it does.
	I mean, uh because the the the best indicator for how you're going to do down ballot, the best indicator for keeping the house and keeping the Senate is how are you doing at the top of the ticket.
	You find very few exceptions in tough races where you don't do well at the top of the ticket, but you do well underneath.
	It just doesn't work that way.
	So if you want to do well in the Senate and you want to do well in the House, then you better hope that we do well at the top of the ticket.
	So you're right.
	You just undermine your entire ability at every level by by not by not unifying behind uh the eventual nominee.
	So Donald Trump asks your advice for VP.
	Give me five names.
	Uh I'm not gonna do that, buddy.
	Why not?
	I'm gonna give you five names when we have a beer together.
	I'll give you five names.
	I'd say a hot mic.
	I'd say Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and Newt Gingrich and uh John Kasich, uh Bobby Gindle or Rick Perry, there's five or six.
	There's good names.
	Absolutely.
	All good names.
	Nikki Haley, well, I don't think Nikki Haley likes Trump.
	She'd be great too.
	All good names.
	You see, that's those are the things that can help.
	I I also think another thing that could help is just having and I think he's interested in this, but having Donald Trump issue No, here are the five people and have Federalist Society and Heritage help with this, but here are the five Supreme Court justices.
	Yeah, he said he's gonna do that.
	He's gonna do Yeah, I mean that that too helps show everyone.
	Look, this is important.
	This is why this matters.
	Well, I think that and also he could name cabinet members.
	I mean, let's say you have Rudy as A G or Department of Homeland Security or Christie prosecuting uh Hillary, that'd be great.
	Uh you know, then you could name like Bobby Gendal and Rick Perry.
	I mean, these are all good people.
	You bet.
	Well it's early, it's early.
	Uh remember, I I I uh I I think that people just gotta take a breath and I and I already told you I don't want I wouldn't want your job.
	Your job's horrible.
	They don't pay you enough.
	There's not enough money in the in the world for this job of yours.
	I don't know why you do it.
	You're out of your mind.
	Right.
	All right, Ryan's Brian's Previst, Chairman of the RNC, thank you.
	As promised, we go to our busy phones, North Carolina.
	Mark is standing by.
	Mark, hi, how are you?
	Glad you called, sir.
	Hey, Sean, how are you?
	So glad to be able to talk with you.
	Yes, sir.
	The honor is all mine.
	Well, um, you know, I was I want to make a comment about this Paul Ryan.
	I think what he's doing is just absolutely horrible to the Republican Party.
	I think it's amazing how they just continue to shoot themselves in the feet and not get behind what the people are clearly saying that we want.
	And uh I just hope in the end, if he if he doesn't come around and come around quickly, that Trump shows exactly how strong he will be with the down ballot and goes and campaigns against Paul Ryan who has a uh a uh primary fight of his own.
	That's not the ideal scenario.
	Let me let me tell you why.
	And look, I I went through earlier the list of all the opposition, the people that hate Trump the most, the Lindsay Graham's of the world, um you've got Bill Crystal aligning with Ben Sass, aligning with Mitt Romney, and uh and you know, talking third party, which is just the death of the you know, any chance Republicans have to win.
	I think it's just it's over.
	Might as well at that point pack it in.
	I think it's such a bad idea, and you've got a lot of angry bitter people out there.
	You know, remember back in this process, I kept saying over and over, nobody was listening to me.
	The establishment hates Trump and Cruz.
	I I argue they'd still be doing this to Ted Cruz if he was running.
	And it's now manifesting itself, and I think that, you know, let's see what happens out of the meeting Thursday, and you know, Paul Ryan all step down as convention chairman if Trump asks.
	You know, I think what happened is nobody expected this to end last Tuesday, and when it ended, it took people by surprise, and I think the establishment had been scheming and plotting and planning and thinking that they'll have some negotiating power over who the nominee was gonna be, and that they would get concessions from them.
	And I think this was Paul Ryan's attempt last week to get some concessions out of Donald Trump.
	It just didn't work that way.
	So let's see what happens in Thursday's meeting.
	I'm not I think the better, the more unified the party is, and this is why I go to a contract.
	Look, you know, there's one other point here.
	Republicans, I'm sorry, I can s I can't say it enough.
	They have broken their promises, their trust, their bond with their voters and their base.
	And that's what caused this.
	This was a record year in in voting.
	And what caused this was them.
	Their failure, their broken promises.
	They find you know, give us the house, we'll stop Obamacare.
	Nope.
	Give us the Senate, we'll stop executive amnesty.
	Nope.
	And so they created this nightmare scenario as far as they see it.
	I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing to to have a gut check.
	And if there are ten solid strong items of agreement, build the wall, energy independence, eliminating Obamacare, replacing it with health care savings accounts, give education back to the states, fixing the economy, balancing the budget, building up our nation's defenses, the weakest it's been since World War Two.
	You know, we can make the country a better, safer, more prosperous place.
	So let's see where this goes.
	I'm not falling prey to the day-to-day negotiations that are going on between a bunch of politicians.
	It means nothing to me.
	Anyway, appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Uh Mary Beth is on Long Island, Massapiqua, New York, listening to the all new AM seven ten WOR, the voice of New York and New Jersey.
	Hi.
	Hi, Sean.
	Um, I'm a big Ted Cruz supporter.
	Yeah.
	And I am completely devastated that he dropped out.
	I've been listening I've been paying attention to him way before Trump got in it.
	When I heard him with the filibuster, I was like this guy who just did the filibuster.
	I didn't even know his name.
	I'm like, we should have someone like that for president.
	And since then I've been following him, researching him, and he earned my trust.
	I was uh I was up all night when he did that filibuster.
	Oh my god.
	I was so energizing, and I agree with you.
	Absolutely.
	And I was so enthusiastic for the first time I felt like I was gonna vote for a president instead of voting against someone or the lesser of the evils.
	And he earned my trust.
	I looked at his past, I researched everything, and he is the outsider, and now he was the one who brought the attention to everyone what was going in on inside the establishment, and people don't realize because Senator is part of his name, how anti-establishment he is.
	I think people understood it.
	That's why he did so well.
	Even at my job, people are like running, oh Trump.
	All they know is Trump.
	I saw a lot of people this weekend, and the question I was asking them was all right let's go back to the seventeen Republican candidates who is the most electable and uh and people were asking me and I said I don't know I don't know the answer to the question based on how people voted you'd have to think Trump can anybody beat Hillary Clinton I don't know I don't have that crystal ball a lot's gonna unfold between now and November of next year and
	it's gonna unfold very very quickly and so we'll see I mean do you have a sense of of how you know what's state how do Republicans win two hundred and seventy electoral votes that's the question.
	Do you think I don't know Sean but I'm trying I want I want to like Trump.
	There's a lot of things I think are great.
	I always said it was great that he was in the race but as far as being president you know what it is I don't dislike Trump.
	I only defended when you know when he went against truth then I didn't really like him.
	But I always was on Trump's side and how do I I just he's a big question mark to me.
	I want to trust him but I I I'm just not finding the trust how do you trust him?
	You know I guess because I've interviewed him so many times and by the way he's I give him a little more slack because he's not a politician like for example he he tweeted out today no no no I'm I'm talking about my tax plan being lower taxes for everybody because of the comment that he made this weekend.
	Now, a seasoned politician who has been in the business for years and years would not have made that mistake.
	And so, you know, I know people use that as fodder for, whoa, whoa, whoa, see, he can't make up his mind on taxes.
	He can't make up his mind on the minimum wage, which are two issues that came up recently.
	And he corrected both of them.
	But I understand where people say, see, you can't trust him.
	He's not a conservative in the sense that you and I know Ted Cruz.
	He's just not.
	But I think instinctively he is anti-liberal.
	Instinctively, he knows government is a huge obstacle for business and growth and prosperity.
	prosperity instinctively he knows that government's failing and I I think he's gonna take the approach of a of a businessman towards government I can't promise anything because I can't promise any politicians going to do anything.
	I never expected Republicans to break their pledge on executive amnesty.
	I never really expected they'd be so weak they'd never use the power of the purse.
	So I hope that, look, I'm not going to spend, you hear me last week say, I'm not going to spend every day telling people who to vote for.
	I'm not.
	You're just going to have to, in your own heart, Mary Beth, follow your heart.
	What I don't like are seasoned politicians.
	You know, the establishment types in D.C., they're openly sabotaging the nominee of the people.
	I'm not going to.
	I'm with you.
	That I can't stand.
	And, you know, for Bill Kristol and company and.
	George Will and Governor Romney who I always liked I'm very disappointed and all these other types that won't endorse and now they're taking their toys and going home because they're not going to be a part of whatever's happening it's frustrating to me.
	But since you talk to him you know obviously not just on the air but it's not that I don't trust him I just don't know if I should trust him because he also is a marketing specialist.
	I mean he knows what he's doing he knows what the people want he knows um you know he he knows what he's doing he's a very smart man I trust what he said to me is true.
	I trust that on the issues that I have asked him over and over on you know people said there was no substance of my interviews they didn't watch them they didn't listen to them.
	You know I got very specifics on how he plans to manage spending you know he's probably gonna have to reconsider entitlement spending but that's his position.
	I've asked him so many times on energy independence, health savings accounts, and everyone goes back to his original comment that the Canadian system works well for Canadians.
	I trust he'll build the wall.
	I trust he'll send education back to the States.
	I you know if he has any help of Republicans in Congress they could get a lot of good things done.
	Um do I think he's real and sincere in his positions?
	Yeah I think he is I think he's also sacrificed a lot to do this and he is a fighter unlike most of the Republican party he he doesn't mind getting up every single day and having a fight he doesn't mind it.
	And I you know as somebody that's into MMA like I am in training MMA obviously I like fighting so I'm uh I'm hopeful.
	I'm very hopeful there's a lot of there's a lot of promise there and opportunity but I don't like the establishment sabotage.
	That's a big deal.
	That's a that's not a small issue that we're gonna have to watch out for.
	No it's huge.
	And I've been watching you I've been listening to you and watching you for years and I figured let me call Sean and see how he could find this enthusiasm in trust you know All right, so you you watched my interviews with Ted Cruz.
	Did I not let Ted Cruz talk his ear off talk my ear off?
	Didn't I just give him the microphone and say go?
	Yeah, you did.
	Yeah, I did, didn't I?
	And I was fair to Ted Cruz.
	I mean, I look if Ted Cruz were the nominee today, Mary Beth, I'd be fine.
	I'm not saying you're being unfair.
	I'm just trying to find No, but you're a Ted Cruz supporter.
	Some cruise supporters are mad that I didn't endorse him.
	But I said from the beginning I wasn't going to endorse.
	No, I'm not mad.
	Thank you.
	I like I like Cruz.
	I like Trump.
	You know, but Cruz, he was just the entire package.
	I got it.
	But here's my question for you.
	What states could Cruz win?
	What states what states no, I'm the I was asking, we were talking about it all weekend.
	We went through every candidate.
	What states do you think Cruz would win to get him to two seventy?
	You know what?
	I know.
	It's tough, right?
	I know.
	But you know what it is.
	I can't answer the question on any of them.
	I if we all just vote for who we want to be electable, if we actually all just voted for who we wanted to be president, it would come out differently.
	But that's not reality.
	Listen, I didn't even vote in the primary because I'm a registered conservative, but uh so I never even got faced with that dilemma.
	But we would have been Trump or Cruz for me, but at that point it was just Trump and Cruz.
	Yeah, I voted for Cruz.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And that's that's why I'm a registered Republican.
	I would just be an independent.
	I know but I can vote.
	There's something that tells me that people are not dumb.
	You know, everyone in the when the when the establishment is shaking in its boots the way they are, it's because of people.
	You know, people say, oh, radio did this.
	Fox did this.
	I'm like, it's impossible.
	This has got a natural momentum on its own, and you cannot deny it's real.
	Steve in Atlanta, news talk WSB.
	What's going on, Steve?
	Hey, Sean, how are you doing?
	So I am a uh kind of a uh left leaning moderate, but I gotta tell you, I am warming up to Donald Trump.
	And the reason is is because he is sounding so much more to me like a Democrat.
	I've been kind of watching the last couple days.
	Looks like he's kind of coming up maybe for uh increasing minimum wage.
	Minimum wage is bad for the economy.
	Well uh and what he said about minimum wage, I'd he said, quote, I'd look at it, just like he said yesterday that oh yeah, I'd raise taxes on the wealthy.
	He is he's pulled back on that statement today.
	And I think the one of the reasons is he is not, he doesn't speak political speak.
	He doesn't have the talking points down.
	He has no talking points.
	He's the only guy I know that's ever gone into a debate having done zero preparation.
	Zero.
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	But but how but I'm just curious, in other words, it's like a and I'm asking this question, really.
	I mean, uh I I'm looking at my conservative friends who are kind of tentative in terms of whether they want to jump on the Trump train or not.
	Yeah.
	And I'm trying to figure out are you guys gonna be okay with someone who basically says, Well, this is my position, this is my policy, but then you but then he comes back and says, remember, I'm a great negotiator, so this is just where I'm starting.
	You don't know where the guy's gonna end.
	You know, when you really when you really think about it though, all politicians are like that, because no politician, no party gets everything that they want.
	Everything does come down to a negotiation in some aspect, right?
	So let me ask you this.
	Did you vote for Obama did you vote for Obama?
	Twice.
	Twice.
	And you're so you're voting for Hillary.
	You're not even gonna consider Trump.
	Well, okay, so probably not.
	Probably not.
	So stop wasting our time.
	Last thing Republican need a Republican needs is an Obama Hillary supporter telling them how they need to run their campaign with all due respect.
	You don't have their best interest at heart.
	And let me ask you this important question, all right?
	You're listening?
	Hillary's been in the public eye for all these years.
	Give me three specific things she has accomplished to make the lives of the American people better.
	Go.
	Okay, as a senator, you'd have to say the F chip thing that she got together with Kennedy in terms of uh children's health care would certainly be one.
	Her health care plan failed, but go ahead.
	Well, didn't fail.
	Next she listen, she set the table.
	Oh what's number two?
	Go.
	She set the table for single payer with uh with Hillary.
	So that doesn't count.
	That didn't make anybody's Life better because she failed.
	Next.
	Go.
	Well, okay, uh, let's see.
	Uh she was instrumental in getting uh some of these little uh countries that are around Pakistan, Afghanistan, whatever the instrumental in getting countries around Pakistan.
	In order to get them in order for us to use their air bases in terms of being able to carry out our war on terror, like okay, so you'd have to ignite No, that would be the Bush administration that did that.
	Anyway, thank you.
	All right, news Roundup Information Overload Hour on the Sean Hannity Show.
	One of the uh columns I found most interesting was Jim Hoffed over at Gateway Pundit this weekend.
	Shock poll, Donald Trump receives twenty-five percent of the black vote enough to ensure a GOP landslide.
	It was a survey USA uh poll released Friday.
	Twenty-five percent of black respondents said they would vote for Trump over Clinton.
	Now, between that and the issue of let's see, hardworking, blue-collar American voters that came out in droves, sixty thousand people in Pennsylvania switched their affiliation from Democrat to Republican.
	How many union households are likely to move towards Donald Trump?
	We know he got the support of of the border patrol agents.
	We know that uh Hillary Clinton says no to coal, no to fracking.
	So is there a chance that there is going to be a transition in terms of demographics and working people, hard working people who have been suffering under the Obama economy now for eight years are going to switch over to the Republican Party, especially on issues involving trade and immigration?
	You know, we keep talking about immigration.
	Well, neither Democrats nor Republicans wanted a wall because Democrats want, you know, a new constituency for generations to vote for them.
	Republicans want to placate their their big business buddies and give them the cheap labor that they're looking for.
	Uh but that doesn't help the ninety-five million Americans out of the workforce or the twenty percent of American families that don't have a single family uh member in the workforce from uh moving their lives forward.
	So is there a possibility of a a transformation in terms of demographics in the country?
	Andrew, I'm sorry, Andy Sullivan, a construction superintendent and Dave MacArray is a former union rep, author of Night Shift, 270 Factory Stories.
	Uh guys, thank you both for being with us.
	Thanks for having me, Sean.
	Andy pleasure.
	Thanks for inviting me.
	The hardworking blue-collar workers does the oil industry, the coal industry, the fracking industry, the drilling industry, uh, and other unions look at the Obama years as a disaster and say, you know what?
	Somebody that's going to build a wall so we have less competition for jobs, that is driving down wages, is somebody that's going to negotiate better trade deals, better for the working man.
	Sean, you're gonna understand something.
	Every election cycle, the Republicans leave millions of voters on the table, and it's these blue-collar closet conservatives, and they all come from the union rank and file.
	And right now is the most opportune time for a candidate who I believe is a destiny uh candidate in Mr. Trump, because here he is, he has a resume of employing tens of thousands of union workers for decades.
	This is very unusual.
	So my question to that's what I'm asking.
	Is there a possibility of a demographic shift?
	No, it's happening, Sean.
	It is happening.
	It's happening all around us.
	And right now, even the leaders, because of two terms of Obama and Obamacare, the leaders feel like they've been deceived and they've been betrayed.
	So even leadership now is starting to come on board, and they're both trending Trump.
	You know, during the Reagan years, my first vote at 18 was for Reagan.
	But it was during those years that I was in the construction business for the entire decade.
	And Dave, all I knew was I had more business, more work that I could ever handle, and it actually gave me an opportunity to work really, really hard and advance myself.
	I used to be president in Orange County, California.
	It's a Republican area.
	And uh, you know, I think our people were mainly Republicans, even though they were strong union people.
	If you were to ask me how they would vote, I haven't been in touch with them for a few years.
	But I I would say that um not knowing what I'm talking about, but I would say that most will vote for Trump.
	I think they like Trump.
	I don't know if they know the reasons why exactly.
	Um I think that well, I could tell you the reasons.
	Don't you think the average don't you think the average union guy knows that factories and manufacturing has left this country in droves?
	Don't you think they know that wages are driven down by illegal Immigrants, competition for jobs are even that much more fierce.
	I don't think they think that that the jobs wages have been driven down too much by the illegals, but certainly by going offshore.
	The fact that uh all the big pain jobs, most of them have gone to other countries, and I don't think anybody can stop that, including Trump.
	Um, if there was a way, you know, absolutely, I think the AFL CIO would have found a way to do that.
	Um, but the the AFL CIO, let's be honest here, is owned by the Democratic Party.
	And they take rank and file money every election season, and they force rank and file, uh, even if they're losing jobs under democratic policies to support Democrats.
	Isn't that the way it works?
	You know, I wish that were true, Sean.
	Seriously.
	I I have never been able to quantify how an endorsement gets people to vote.
	Well, how do you how do you explain, you know, all the leaders of labor always supporting the Democratic Party?
	They're already supporting him this time.
	Absolutely.
	Since 1935, absolutely, it's a two-party system.
	Lately it's become a little bit of Hobson's choice.
	We have a two-party system.
	One has always nominally been pro-union, the other has been more or less anti-union.
	Um thousand and nine, the hopes were EFCA would get passed.
	Um the Democrats showed they were gutless, but you're right, totally on the side of the Democrats, but it's been um uh friends without benefits uh lately as far as it went.
	But the actual rank and file has always stunned me.
	It's always shocked me.
	Uh nobody follows what the the international says.
	I think you'd agree, Andy, wouldn't you?
	Well, uh David, I I gotta I gotta uh diverge with you on that point because being in the union for over twenty years and being on all sides of it, I was actually an officer for a short period of time, and I left because the corruption was just terrible, and I felt horrible.
	I couldn't I couldn't go on as an officer and look at my fellow worker in the face and and keep up this facade like we were really doing the right thing.
	And I I felt because the the unions have turned into a single party uh political arm, I feel it's almost as if it's become a dictatorship.
	And you don't have the right to have your own opinion and your own choice, because if you do, and it doesn't fall into line with with the union uh you know the union line of uh of thinking, then there's gonna be consequences.
	There's gonna be a stigma attached to you, and you might find yourself out of work.
	I know I did.
	I don't know how the construction worker uh I mean how the construction trade worked, okay.
	I was in a paper business, we were wildly democratic, it was the AWPPW.
	We were more democratic than we are in this country.
	We didn't have anything called the Electoral College, one man, one vote, it worked well.
	We couldn't get anybody to vote our way, no matter how hard we tried.
	The argument we made though was this.
	We have a two-party system.
	Okay.
	The two parties are clear how they view unions.
	If you don't like what the Democrats stand for, nearly ninety percent of the jobs out there are non union.
	Don't hire into a union.
	You know you while you're here, wages and benefits and working conditions were better here.
	Granted, but if you can't live with the idea that your dues are going to help the one party that's pro-union, you should never have taken a union job.
	But the problem the problem is the Democratic Party, you're losing union jobs by in the droves.
	You're losing, you know, and that's the problem.
	We're losing industry.
	We're we're losing manufacturing.
	I mean, it's half of what it used to be.
	Yes.
	I mean, certainly certainly in the construction trades it still exists.
	And unfortunately, the you know, the union rank and file, their money is taken by the union, and some of that money goes to politicians that use it to support one party that hasn't done squat to help the working men.
	Nothing.
	I still think, and I know that we always talk about this.
	I I don't think, you know, it it's a great choice, but if we want to be realistic about it and honest about it, again with a two-party system, and people write me all the time saying we need to have a labor party.
	I said the labor party would be the dream come true for the Republicans.
	Have everybody leave the Democrats and form a third party.
	It ain't gonna happen.
	But let me give you stats.
	It was Reagan.
	He created twenty million new jobs and gave us the longest period of peacetime economic growth after the worst econ economy under Jimmy Carter.
	I mean, because he used, you know, simple, basic conservative principles.
	He he lowered the tax rates, he incentivized business.
	They went out there, created jobs Manufacturing and people got back to work.
	And right now you've got twenty percent of American families don't have one single family member in the workforce.
	Sean, I would argue with you about him having created manufacturing jobs.
	I don't believe he did.
	Well, he created twenty-one million new jobs.
	New jobs.
	Excuse me.
	But don't you think?
	Under Obama, we've got millions more in poverty, millions more on food stamps, and the lowest labor participation rate now in forty five years.
	I bet under Obama we had five percent unemployment, like an all-time low.
	Okay.
	Now this is a problem.
	Seriously.
	You're too you you're too involved in the workforce not to know that.
	You know those numbers don't count people that are chronically unemployed, right?
	I I know they can be adjusted.
	This is a good thing.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	They don't count.
	They don't for example, if you're out of the workforce six months, you're no longer longer counted as unemployed.
	So you have a lot of the beef against Obama was that the jobs he created were jobs you couldn't live on, Sean.
	Just like under Reagan.
	No, he didn't have to food restaurants.
	There are millions more in poverty under Obama, millions more on food stamps, and fewer people in the labor force than at any point since the nineteen seventies.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	They're dropping quickly.
	I think this largely because the jobs had left the country myself.
	the jobs that were highly unionized.
	No, no, no, no.
	John.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	John, can I talk about Mr. Trump here?
	Because this is the most important point.
	We have never ever had a candidate like Mr. Trump.
	Now I've worked for the man for over ten years.
	The last job I did was uh I did Barron's nursery up at the top of the penthouse.
	And I gotta tell you, the guy is brilliant, okay, and the family, the most wonderful, warm, charming family I have ever dealt with.
	How many tell me what other jobs?
	So how many jobs have you done for Trump over ten years?
	I'm gonna say well, ten years worth of work.
	We did the uh 40 wall, Trump Plaza, Trump Tower, uh You built Trump Tower, your your company built Trump Tower.
	Well, we did the interiors.
	All right, so but and so everyone says, oh, there were illegal immigrants that I guess uh one of the contractors hired that brought into Trump Tower.
	People don't know how this worked, but he hired all union labor, right?
	Sean, everybody I worked with, every trade had their own shops do it, and all of their hours were recorded.
	So I really take issue with people who say that.
	Because you can't build you can't build a big building in New York without union labor.
	It's impossible.
	It's the highest density union membership in the country.
	Okay, so he's got despite what they're doing.
	But guys, but guys, because it's been become this political arm of the left, unions now have dropped down to under eight percent.
	We used to own this city.
	Lewis Colletti from the Building Trades Employers Association just came out with the numbers.
	We're about to have a 40 billion dollar construction year next year.
	And right now, three of the biggest companies in New York City have all gone open shop.
	That means non-union.
	That is gonna crush union labor.
	Now I know a man like Mr. Trump could come in here and he could solve the real problem.
	And the real problem is the onerous insurance costs, the insane regulations, the bonding, all of the other areas.
	Everybody wants to scream about labor cost, labor cost, labor costs.
	No one wants to look at the other end of the spectrum.
	Let me tell you one thing.
	Uh I can take you back to my years where I had more business than I can ever handle.
	And then I had to get these guys, you know, some type of uh unemployment insurance you have to pay for that.
	Workers' comp, which you have to pay for.
	I mean, it was so burdensome for me as a twenty-year-old kid to have I had married guys working for me, and you know, literally their lives are gonna you know important, they're gonna be impacted if I don't keep them working.
	It was horrible how much money I had to pay out for all these things.
	And uh imagine doing a hospital in New York City.
	Imagine the bureaucratic morass you have to go through just to get in the door, just to get on the bidding list.
	Yeah, it's true.
	And you guys suggesting that Trump would know how to bring back all the high paying jobs into this country?
	No, what he's saying is giving you a plan.
	Sean, the first step is exactly what he's been talking about since the beginning.
	That is immigration.
	Build a wall.
	Let me tell you something.
	That is red meat for every union member in this country.
	But you want to know why?
	Because they're competing for limited jobs that are available in Obama's horrible economy, and they're driving down wages.
	It's a huge problem.
	That's always been a problem.
	No, no, not like today.
	It's never been this bad.
	And it's never been this bad, but you know, here in California, one of the things people don't realize is Cesar Chavez, who uh uh founded the UFW.
	You're gonna quote Saver Chavez seriously.
	He was very opposed to the why don't we spend why don't we quote Shay next?
	Go ahead.
	No, no, I was gonna say he was very opposed to the illegals.
	He put pressure on the labor department and the INS, and he was called a traitor to his race, etc.
	But he knew what you're talking about.
	He knew that the growers welcomed the illegals in.
	For one thing, they could pay them less.
	They were uh they were ignorant about existing labor laws, and they were also unwilling to ever squawk because they were here illegally.
	And and that almost decimated.
	All right, Andy, so tell me more about the jobs you did for Trump.
	You had a good ex experience with him.
	I had a I had the best experience.
	We did uh when we did 40 wall, we had to do we had to do 1900.
	You're talking about 40 Wall Street, yeah.
	Yes, correct, 40 Wall Street.
	We did that.
	We did 19 stories for American Express, and Mr. Trump used to come to the job site with pizza because we were doing seven twelves.
	That means we're working seven.
	Twelve hours shifts.
	Yep, 12 hour shifts, and somebody was complaining about the bathroom situation, and it was very bad because it was a very hot summer that year.
	And sure enough, Mr. Trump came in, he saw and used the facilities he came out, and he started screaming and yelling.
	He said, I want these bathrooms ripped out, start building new bathrooms for these guys right now.
	I mean, right from that moment, I felt like this guy, I mean, isn't it amazing?
	It took a New York City billionaire, this flamboyant, big, huge, massive personality, to connect with the blue collars of America.
	I gotta go, guys.
	Listen, thank you both.
	Andy, thank you, Dave, thank you.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	So let's get to our busy telephones here.
	All right, our friend Wayne in Baltimore, WCBM.
	What's up, Wayne?
	How are you?
	Glad you called, sir.
	Hey, big brother, how are you doing?
	What that you know by the way, you asked me for something the other day.
	I don't remember what it was, and I never got back to you.
	What was it?
	Uh nothing.
	Right.
	Don't worry about it.
	No, no, don't worry about it.
	Look, listen, I'm look, I am happy and proud of what you're doing here on the radio show.
	I really um trust that you have been 100% faithful to us as listeners.
	And I know people are getting on you and stuff like that, or they were listening if we weren't doing right, people wouldn't even be jumping on you.
	So you keep on doing exactly what you're doing.
	Listen, I I have zero zero.
	Um you know, it's funny.
	I said from the beginning of the process what I would do.
	I did it, and then when I did it, and I didn't you know, when push came to shove, a lot of people wanted me to endorse when I said I wasn't going to.
	A lot of people wanted me to do something that I said from the from day one.
	And I said it was for the best interest of my audience to do it that way.
	I I my interviews with Senator Cruz were beyond fair.
	Gave him so much time to and more time than anybody in the end, more appearances on TV and more radio time by minute.
	Um so, you know, I feel like I've done everybody a a service in that sense, but I gotta tell you there's there's a lot of angry people out there and lashing out, and uh I know where some of it's coming from, and I understand that people get emotional, and I understand that you know what people are invested highly in in this election because there's a lot at stake here.
	But uh, you know, you know, the people voted the way they voted.
	I can't make people vote the way I want.
	Well, one of the things that I uh wanted uh to say to you real quick is look, um party unity is the number one issue for me right now, and um I'm listening to these politicians who can't follow through on their word, and to me they're not even worth the paper that they have their uh their names written on.
	And look, most of us with a family, with a mom, Mother's Day was yesterday, with a dad.
	Most of them told us when we were young, if you make a promise, stick to it.
	Or don't make it at all.
	And uh a lot a lot of listeners out here are not happy how things turn out.
	I understand that.
	I understand that.
	I if if the candidate that I supported had him won, I probably wouldn't be happy too.
	But I'm not gonna let Hillary Clinton.
	Hillary Clinton get into the White House again.
	We know what her agenda is, and when you hear people say, but Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are the same, they're not the same.
	They're not even remotely the same.
	So when you see these people throwing that information out there and stuff, look, I know you'll your heart's hurt right now.
	I understand.
	I've had my heart hurt too.
	But for the will of the party, for the will of the for the future of America, we have to come back and say, okay, no, we have to defeat Hillary Clinton.
	Hillary Clinton is had to go down.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, any way, shape, or form, you know, I mean, look, again, keep on doing what you're doing.
	All right, my friend.
	Listen, I uh there's gonna be one hell of a year, I'll tell you that.
	I don't have any clue how it's gonna turn out.
	Let me ask you, because you follow this as closely as anybody I know.
	Do you have any gut feeling who of the seventeen would have been the most electable?
	Because that's a discussion I had this weekend.
	Well, you know what, though?
	Um I originally was for Governor Scott Walker and uh Rick Perry.
	And the only reason why I was for them at first because they have executive experience.
	I wanted somebody who did the job on an everyday basis and dealt with unions and dealt with racism in the in the schools and on the streets in their state and pushed through legislation.
	That's what I wanted.
	But when they left, then I endorsed Donald Trump.
	And the reason why I did that is because he he's had executive experience in building and creating and working with people, and he's had years and years, and people know these things because they've watched him on TV.
	They read about it in magazines, Redeal the book.
	I love Ted Cruz.
	I I I enjoy watching Marco Rubio.
	If they were to leave the Senate and go and become a governor, I they they would have been number one on my list because then they would have had the experience.
	It's certainly the strongest.
	Listen, you're yeah, when you talk about Perry and Gendal and all the governors, Walker and and Kasich, and these guys have all done a good job.
	Any one of them I think could have done a good job with the country.
	I I really do think though that there is such alienation caused by Republican weakness that I I just think that people said enough's enough.
	They want an outsider.
	They want somebody who doesn't speak that speak, doesn't talk that talk, and and hopefully he's gonna be willing to create the same political earthquake in DC that he created on the campaign trail.
	I think that's what they're thinking about.
	Uh Eddie is in Stafford, Virginia.
	What's up, Eddie?
	Pretty liberal guy.
	What's going on, Ed?
	Hey, Sean, how are you doing, man?
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Hey, just wanted to call and tell you that uh like Donald Trump.
	You know, I I I kind of lean to the left, but I like Donald Trump more and more.
	He seems like he's coming on board with uh changing his position there.
	So he he clarified, but I know what you're talking about.
	He clarified he said the state should decide on minimum wage, not the federal government.
	And on the uh other issue that came up this weekend about raising taxes, he said no, and every scenario they'll be lower than what they are now.
	Well, you know, well, he he sounds like he's uh doing pretty good.
	Hey, but what your last caller that I want to add, John Kasich by far for the right would would have been the best candidate for uh uh uh I love I love you Obama voters and Hillary supporters telling Republicans what they need to do.
	Listen, we don't they don't need your advice.
	No offense.
	Because it doesn't matter.
	When push comes to shove it, you're going in the booth and you're voting for corrupt Hillary, aren't you?
	No, no, I'm not.
	That's why I say him, you know, I like uh Casey.
	You know, I generally not in it anymore.
	So if it's Hillary versus Trump.
	If it's Hillary versus Trump, who are you gonna vote for?
	Well, you know, I don't know.
	Trump seems like he's just uh shifting day by day to whatever, you know, uh audience.
	I know that's a great argument, but here here's my next question.
	You voted for Obama, you voted for Obama twice, didn't you?
	Well, you know, so I want you to so he's done such a horrible job.
	I want you to apologize to America now.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, please.
	Apologize.
	Apologize for the disaster that is Obama.
	You can apologize.
	You own it.
	You got sucked up in the hope and change, and yes, we can, and Obama.
	I got vote for Bush.
	Excuse me.
	Uh Bush did a a m magnificent job to compare to the incompetent of Obama.
	Excuse me.
	It's been eight years almost.
	Millions more in poverty, millions more on food stamps, the lowest labor participation rate in in forty years.
	He doubled the debt, and he's been the worst pr jobs president in the history of the country.
	Mike Stark, crazy Mike in uh in Virginia also.
	What is up with these crazy Virginia callers?
	What's up, Mike?
	How are you?
	So what's going on with Sarah Palin, man?
	Talking about primarying Paul Ryan.
	When you know that's when your problems all started.
	Because for the Tea Party for Sarah Palin, there will never be a Republican pure enough.
	Honest to God, Ted Cruz talks about Ronald Reagan being the uh you do and Russ Limbaugh.
	All these people talk about uh Ronald Reagan being the uh signing exemplar.
	Well Ryan Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War.
	He created twenty-one and a half million news new jobs.
	And he gave it away.
	No, he did, by the way.
	In nineteen eighty six he did everyone's social security taxes.
	Okay, can I finish?
	And he gave us the longest period of peacetime economic growth in history.
	You voted for Obama how many times?
	Twice.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And he gave us what?
	Millions more in poverty food stamps.
	He doubled the debt.
	And we now have now we're at a point where twenty percent of American families don't have a single member in the workforce.
	So good luck with that.
	You wouldn't need to apologize too.
	I'll accept it.
	That's ever been done in my lifetime.
	And he reversed it.
	Listen, uh, can I just tell you that I've never seen an economy so anemic, so sick, so pathetic, or president accumulate more debt to do so little in my life.
	And it's never been this bad.
	And you know what?
	You voted for the guy because you got sucked up into it.
	Listen, the reason why these conservative governors, I keep referring to them, is they use conservative principles, and those principles have created jobs, they've eliminated deficits, they've created surpluses, and they've gotten their economies back and running again.
	Effectively.
	So anyway, Mike, appreciate it.
	800 more uh 941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
	Cindy is in Cleveland, Ohio.
	We're gonna see you this summer.
	Uh Cindy, how are you?
	I am good, Sean.
	Yourself?
	I'm good.
	What's going on?
	Okay.
	Um, I have thought for quite some time, I've had conversation with friends, and I hope that Trump will promise and knock cave to the mainstream media pressure, who they are not his friends.
	I hope he gets that, that on immigration, he really has to just say we're gonna close the borders, except for some small number of compassionate exceptions.
	This includes white-collar and blue collar, because white collar people are getting killed by H1Bs and the Visa programs.
	And blue collar are getting killed by illegal aliens.
	And the while the union honchos may not be for it, the rank and file union people would actually come over.
	They would be the his version of the Reagan Democrats.
	So I hope he sticks with us on this.
	Listen, I've got to be honest.
	I I hope he does too.
	I don't listen, w I if the Republicans this time, this is why I'm saying they need to write a contract.
	This is why they need promises to America.
	This is what I suggested back in 2014.
	Because if they don't come up with a positive agenda and convince people they're serious this time, they're not gonna win anything.
	Their chances of winning anything are gonna go way down.
	Let's go to Maria.
	She's in the Bronx.
	She is in New York listening to AM 710, WOR, the talk of New York and New Jersey.
	Hi.
	Hi, Sean.
	I am so happy I finally got through to you.
	We love your program.
	I watch you every night.
	I'm from October Avenue and a lot of us from here.
	Oh my gosh.
	Wow.
	You know where my grandfather lived in the South Bronx, he lived in on Lincoln Avenue.
	Really?
	I live right off of 187th Street in Canada.
	I'm just gonna gotta tell you.
	We uh the more they attack Trump, the more I want to vote for him.
	And that's the sentiment that my friends and I have.
	You gotta pick up your phone.
	Are you on a speaker?
	You gotta pick up your phone, Darling.
	My mother's eighty-five years old, and we dragged her, we registered her, we made her a Republican.
	We used to be a family of Democrats.
	We're all Republican now.
	You know, look, it's uh here's the bottom line.
	You gotta ask yourself this question.
	This is what the election ought to come down.
	Are you better off than you were eight years ago when Obama made all the promises he made?
	Is the customer.
	Then we voted for him.
	Didn't vote him the first time.
	I voted for McCain, and then I voted for uh I actually like Sarah Palin.
	I like her a lot.
	And they voted for Romney and Paul Ryan.
	I don't have uh I don't like Romney any longer.
	He's like such a wimp.
	And Paul Ryan, he's a little bit flaky right now, and I'm not too thrilled with him giving into Obama.
	So uh I do like Trump.
	Trump is different.
	He's he's a stand-up guy, and I think he's gonna stand by his words.
	Yeah.
	Well, listen, I gotta hope so.
	If you love the country, let's see.
	Uh Dan is in Traver City, Michigan.
	Dan, how are you?
	Good, Sean.
	How are you doing?
	Good, sir.
	What's going on?
	All right.
	Um Sean, the question uh to people on your show is not what Donald Trump can do to unify the party.
	It is it is when will the I hate to use the word, but arrogant Republicans.
	When will the arrogant Republicans stop trying to defy the will of the voters, get behind the nominee, because that's who the voters pick.
	Everybody else lost, and turn our attention to Hillary Clinton.
	I would like to see that, but you got a a lot of people that are willing to break solemn promises and vows that they made at the start of this.
	Now, for example, let's look at Lindsey Graham.
	Why is Lindsey Graham so willing to break his promise?
	Because Lindsey Graham didn't think Donald Trump had a shot in hell of winning the nomination.
	And and he thought he was gonna be president.
	He couldn't get one percent of the vote.
	And so a lot of people now are angry.
	That promise meant nothing.
	And I think all it does is reinforce everything people already feel about Republicans.
	Their promises are useless.
	They're meaningless.
	They don't mean what they say.
	And they just say it because it's politically expedient at the time to say it.
	It was expedient to say they repeal and replace Obamacare.
	Then they had a series of phony votes to repeal Obamacare, but none of them meant a thing.
	And they wouldn't use the power of the purse.
	Then they wouldn't stop executive amnesty.
	That's what they ran on in 2014.
	Give us the House, we'll do this.
	Give us the Senate, we'll do this.
	Give us the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.
	They better do something to give people confidence that they're gonna follow through on what they say.
	Because if not, it's gonna be a big problem.

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