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May 6, 2016 - Sean Hannity Show
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Does Clinton Have A Two Front War?
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You know, some great news out of Indiana that I had not known until today, and I don't know why I didn't pick this up earlier.
It was a Breitbart article and its new presidential primary voting data.
And it kind of confirms what I was saying yesterday.
They knew what they were doing.
You know, everybody's claiming, oh, everybody's, it's Fox's fault.
It's talk radio's fault, etc.
No, I think the people were pretty well aware of where they stood in Indiana.
These numbers support this and back this up.
That there is a there was a massive turnout in Indiana.
Do you think that was by accident?
No.
People knew that this was a lot at stake here.
There was a 173% increase in GOP vote totals compared to 2012.
Donald Trump won a hundred and forty-three percent more votes than Mitt Romney did in 2012.
By the way, on the Democratic side, just the opposite.
Democratic voters were not engaged at all.
Their total primary voters dropped by 49%.
Now Hillary Clinton lost big to Bernie Sanders there.
It's a bad day for her.
She saw a 46% drop in votes since her 2008 primary one when she actually won the state, which is more evidence that Republicans are energized.
But you know, I I made a decision this morning.
I want to share it with you.
I'm reading National Review this morning.
This is how it's what now, conservatives.
You know, they've been part of this never Trump group.
The party of Lincoln is in runes.
Really?
Minority of its primary voters have torched its founder's legacy by voting for a man who combines old school democratic ideology, a bizarre form of hyper violent isolationism.
By the way, creative flair in writing, I give credit for that.
Fringe conspiracy theories, serial lies with an enthusiastic flock of online get this.
Racist to create perhaps the most toxic electoral coalition since George Wallace.
Then to add insult to injury, multiple GOP leaders bulldoze the ashes by issuing nauseating calls for unity foremost among them Reigns Previst.
Right, you should resign rather than spending one more ounce of personal energy supporting a reprehensible man.
All right.
Do I need to even go any further?
What's the point?
All right, so you can count them out.
So if Republicans aren't united and it's a close election, all of these people that didn't get their way.
Now I think I would argue too, if you're a Ted Cruz supporter, if Ted got the nomination on Tuesday, they would be doing the same thing to him.
Maybe not on NRO, but the same people would feel the same way.
Um they want failure here.
They will, they will sabotage, they will be writing columns, they will be saying the same thing.
Probably the incendiary nature of their rhetoric will rise as time goes on, and all of this is gonna do in the end is help Hillary.
Oh, we're gonna blame the voters.
Well, you have a record number of voters.
The voters must be stupid.
They were bamboozled, they're idiots, they're morons.
Isn't that what liberals think of voters?
Liberals, you know, use the same tactics because they know that whatever cliche or whatever talking point they utter, they'll they'll get their minions to repeat them and regurgitate them on a daily basis.
Then I saw on the Huffington Post.
Turns out some Republicans would rather disown their party than vote for Donald Trump.
And then it showed a lot of tweets of people that I know and like.
I mean, I I like Guy Benson.
He's a good guy.
He's gonna be a friend of mine regardless of whether he stays home or not, or Eric Erickson's a friend of mine.
Uh he'll be a friend.
I don't have a problem with Ben Howe or Stephen Hayes.
They're all in this, or I'm disappointed in Senator Sass for attacking me the way he did, but he Was wrong, and Ben Shapiro's a great guy, and you know, Jamie Weinstein, he probably hates me because of the position I took about Michelle Fields, but I have respect for him and Michelle.
That's fine.
And they're they're all gonna stay home.
And they're not the only ones.
Let me give you some more.
Mitt Romney's not going to attend.
I don't know.
You know, I said so many times that I thought Mitt Romney could have been a great president because of his business acumen and background.
But I I can promise you this the mistake that Mitt Romney made was he had an awesome first debate.
He killed it.
It was a grand slam.
Then the second debate, Candy Crowley screwed the whole thing up, but then the third debate, they thought they had it in the bag.
And he took his foot off the gas.
Bad thing to do when you're in a competition.
He's not going.
Neither Bush 41 or Bush 43 are going to endorse Donald Trump.
John McCain is out there whining to politico today that Trump is going to hurt his chances of re-election in Arizona.
It's unbelievable.
Anyway, so it's um it's all out there.
And uh I got a call from a friend of mine this morning.
Glenn Beck is is taking your monologue from TV last night and he's he's tearing it apart.
So I tuned in for a few seconds and saw an analysis that was completely just wrong about what it was that I was saying.
How Fox News is in decline.
No, the only reason that CNN had a good month last month was because they had democratic debates that Fox can't get.
You take out those one special nights or the Republican debate nights, and they got crushed.
Sorry, it's just a simple fact.
I was up more than any other show in the last quarter on the Fox News channel.
So that's not hurting.
But here's my decision.
I'm gonna share it with you.
And I am not gonna spend every day on this program or every hour on this program telling people what to do, who to vote for.
I'm not gonna do it.
You get you're smart enough on your own as an electorate, and I have full faith and confidence that you you just listen to the dictates, the guides and dictates of your own conscience here.
I will be supporting Donald Trump as I promised I would do from the very beginning, I'd support the nominee.
And frankly, I support him enthusiastically.
And you know what?
If it was Ted Cruz, I would have supported him enthusiastically.
I kind of have deep respect for the fact that whether you are a cruise or Trump supporter or you supported any of the other candidates along the way, and then maybe switch because your candidate stepped out of got out of the race.
I just respect the fact that so many of you went to great lengths and pains to figure out who it is that you wanted to support.
You made a hard decision.
There are a lot of good people in this race.
I said from day one, I I could make the case for any one of these guys to be a better president than Hillary Clinton.
You know, good governance isn't really, doesn't need to be that hard.
Let me tell you what I mean by that.
It's sort of like keep it simple, stupid.
You know, for all these people now that not only they never Trump, they're they're now sabotaging Trump.
There's nothing that establishment types want more in November than to be wagging their finger in your face, my face, everybody else's face, saying, see, you should have done what we told you to do.
Well, that's fine, but the people decided otherwise.
And I um, you know, I just say this, and I'm not gonna make this I'm not gonna make this appeal to people on a regular basis.
I'm just not, because then the show becomes boring.
One of the other reasons why I decided to let you decide on the election is because let's say I came out last January for candidate A. Okay, then that's all I would have been talking about for most of the time, and you would never hear from the other candidates.
They'd be like, why go on his show?
Because he's supporting that candidate.
So being neutral actually, I think benefits the the overall audience in a more profound way.
And yeah, I was nice to all of them.
And I've got an awful lot of ammo that I'm ready, I'm preparing to unload on Hillary, which is what I think I'm best at.
What I think I can contribute the most to.
So, you know, you can make your decision on your own, but every election is a choice election.
You may not like certain things about certain people.
I think some people, though, in the process of deciding who it is that they like for president, it's almost like they're looking for a perfect person.
They're almost looking for like a messiah, mashok.
Somebody that is just gonna save the day.
Well, that's impossible.
Because people are imperfect, and all of us are imperfect.
All of us have sinned and fallen short.
But you can ask yourself these questions.
One of the good ideas that I think Trump has announced that is going to be very interesting, is he's gonna announce 10, 11, 12 people that he would only choose from a pool of candidates for the Supreme Court.
I'd like to see that list of names.
Off the top of my head, you know, two people I would include Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Mike Lee.
Maybe two great people off the top of my head.
But is Hillary going to appoint people like that?
I don't think so.
That's a that's based, let me see the list of people first, and we'll do some vetting of them.
But if he says, if he means what he said that he wants justices with the philosophy of Scalia and Thomas, then I would assume before election he's gonna give us those types of people.
And that would be great for the Supreme Court.
Is Hillary gonna build a wall?
What's not conservative about protecting American borders?
You know, is Hillary going to end sanctuary cities?
Is Hillary going to deport even criminal illegal aliens?
Obama didn't.
You know, is Hillary gonna stop, even though the National Director of Intelligence or FBI director, assistant FBI director, special envoy to defeat ISIS, have all said that the Syrian refugee population Obama's taken into the country is gonna be infiltrated by ISIS.
Is Hillary gonna stop that?
No.
Obama's gonna, though.
You know, do we take better care of illegal immigrants in this country than our vets?
Yeah.
I didn't hear Hillary once in this campaign talk about our vets.
Is Hillary gonna let educational decisions be made at the local level and end this ridiculous common core?
Is Hillary gonna negotiate better trade deals?
Every time I've interviewed Trump, I've asked him how big a factor is energy independence.
He says it's huge.
He also talked about the economy and the need to balance a budget and eliminate government waste.
And there's trillions of dollars that big corporations, multinational corporations have offshore.
Sure, he wants to bring it back by lowering the tax rate to incentivize that money coming back here so we can build factories and manufacturing centers, etc.
Haven't heard Hillary talk about rebuilding our military so nobody messes with us.
Haven't heard her talk about lowering income taxes the way Trump has, and low and middle class people pay nothing as a matter of fact, according to his plan.
I've heard him say he's pro-life, he's pro-second amendment.
I've heard him say repeatedly wants to get rid of Obamacare.
I've heard him say all the time he's not bought by any special interest.
I think we can make a pretty strong argument that Hillary's bought by everybody.
Even the Saudis.
He doesn't speak out against Saudi Arabia at all.
You know, it's uh so that's the choice you're gonna make.
Is any one candidate that ran of the 17 perfect?
Nope.
Is politics ugly in a blood sport?
Yep.
Did I tell you that before the whole process started?
Did I warn you that that was coming, especially before South Carolina?
Yep.
Did George Bush, did he get brutal when he needed a win in South Carolina against John McCain back in 2008?
Absolutely.
Sure did.
That's the way this game unfortunately is played.
It's not pretty, it's not nice, but it is what it is.
So, you know, you can listen to all these people, and you can stay on the sidelines.
You can actively try and sabotage like many of them will, Donald Trump, which will only ensure that Hillary Clinton gets elected, and then they'll turn around and they'll point their fingers at your face and my face and other people's face saying, see, look what you did.
Well, there's no evidence right now that any one of the other 16 candidates is gonna do better than Hillary Clinton.
There's no evidence that any one candidate would definitely win.
On paper, the person that did best was John Kasich.
He only won one state.
So nobody has that crystal ball.
And we can always second guess all we want.
But the bottom line is Hillary Clinton represents a third Obama term.
And over the days and weeks and months, I'll try and prove this to you.
People picking up their toys and going home.
I mean, you know, my kids play competitive sports.
One of the you want they want to piss me off if they lose and they're bad sport.
I'm gonna get pissed.
If they win and they're not a gracious winner, that'll piss me off too.
I mean, it's a simple analogy as is what we teach our kids in sports.
Anyway, so I'm just letting you know what's going on out there.
There is a full-on effort to sabotage the candidacy of Donald Trump coming from Republicans, not coming from Democrats.
Are there some people that are truly in their conscience, their heart, their soul, are they pure in their opposition?
Yeah, there are some.
But I don't think that's the case with most of them.
I think they're all full of it.
And uh the same people that urged you to vote for McCain as a conservative and hold your nose and Bob Dole and whole at least Bob Dole's said he's gonna show up at the convention.
And only the candidate can make it.
And the party will trust Trump.
Chris Matthews is on with Brian Williams.
He doesn't know his mic is hot.
Now, whenever you have a mic on, the general rule is you gotta be careful.
That's the bottom line.
Um it could happen to anybody.
It's the creepiness of it all that has got yeah, just he sees Melania Trump.
Did you see her walk?
Runway walk.
My God.
That's so good.
I could watch that runway show.
You can hear it, but you gotta listen.
It's it's in the background.
And only the candidate can make that.
And the party will trust Trump to be able to make that decision.
Well, I think the party won't have a role in it.
Um runway walls.
We just uh heard from the likely nominee of the Republican Party.
Um we will go to a break here.
I can watch the discussion continues right after this.
I could watch that runway.
Isn't it creepy?
It just is so bizarre.
And then he said this about Hillary, I guess uh, what was it, about a year ago?
Whatever.
I don't remember.
Two thousand, she's back when she was running in 08 here.
Oh, does her attack on him for having had ambition as a teeny bopper, not a teeny bopper, a kindergarten?
Does she look like Nurse Ratchet here?
Nurse Ratchet.
Imagine if I called Hillary Nurse Ratchet.
Remember the erogenous zone comment from a couple of weeks ago?
Hillary Clinton's had experience on paper.
What do you mean?
Well, look, she's Secretary of State, she was a senator, she was first lady of the United States and of Arkansas.
She has uh incredibly impressive resume.
There's no doubt about it.
But when you go beyond it and you look at her support of things like the Iraq war, her support for disastrous trade deals, her support for DOMA, uh her efforts during the 2008 race uh to keep the governor of of New York from giving driver's licenses to undocumented workers.
We look at these things over and over and over again.
There's more there than just the resume.
Well, there's an amazing number of things you mentioned.
I have to agree with you and your candidate on it.
You know.
You know my erogenous zone, you're hitting it.
Let me just tell you this.
The problem is I'm not sure if my erogenous zone, you're hitting it.
He's done this a lot, criticized well, I actually agree with him on Hillary's shouting, it's just awful.
He attributed back in 2011 Sarah Palin's success to her attractiveness.
There's something about her, it's primordial.
You know, and when she walks and she moves, something electric about it.
And she doesn't do on television with Roger L sitting in the booth in Wasilla.
Look, there's there's something.
Other candidates don't do this.
She's constantly in motion.
Are you uh he's kind of creeping me out here?
He argued that Hillary Clinton is successful because Bill Clinton messed around once, comparing her to nurse Ratchet, as I said.
Asked former Senator Chris Dodd if it was hard to debate a woman.
Says Bill had her on a short leash, called Aaron Burnett a knockout during our financial news segment.
Said it would be hard for a woman to take on the job of president.
And Clinton looks witchy.
Actually said that back some years ago.
Like, what if I said all this stuff?
How come he gets away with this stuff?
Good grief.
Such a double s well, I wouldn't say this stuff mostly.
Uh, because it's just kind of creep.
But you know, he's he's he's a weird guy.
I mean, we he was in love with Obama.
Let's bring back a golden oldie moment on the Sean Hannity show.
The feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech.
I felt this thrill going up my leg.
I mean, I don't have that too often.
And that is an objective assessment.
I thought it was Hollywood, it was romance.
There's only you in my life.
The only thing that's right.
And we should be comfortable and will be with him in such a setting.
My first love.
It was realm.
You're ever breath that I tell you every step a man.
I felt this thrill going up my leg.
I mean, I don't have that too often.
I want to share.
Oh my god.
An oval office settings showing that he's comfortable.
No one else.
This is valuable material.
This is real estate of the highest order.
I felt this throwing up my leg.
They tell me how much you care.
The guy's done everything.
He's worked his butt up.
He's been a good citizen.
He's done everything right.
I felt this thrill going up my leg.
No.
And only the candidate can make it.
And the party will trust Trump to be able to make that decision.
Well, I think the party won't have a role in it.
She share water.
Runway.
We just uh heard from the likely nominee of the Republican Party.
Um we will go to a break here.
I can watch the discussion continues right after this.
You see that walk?
It's a runway walk.
My God, that's good.
I can watch that.
Well down, boy.
Calm down.
Good grief.
Uh the story that no one could have anticipated a couple of years ago could conceivably, I think derail Hillary Clinton's presidential bill back in the news.
It has the potential, I think, to be explosive.
Now, Fox News is reporting that based on exclusive interviews, the infamous Romanian hacker, guy by the name of Goosefer.
His real name, Marcel Lazar, claimed he easily and repeatedly breached former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's personal email server in early 2013.
Forty-four-year-old Marcel Mahel Lazar, who goes by the moniker Goosefer, claimed it happened in early 2013.
You accessed a lot of accounts, Marcel.
Is the Clinton server easy or hard?
No, for me what's easy.
Once inside Blumenthal's AOL account, Lazar said he gathered information about the Clinton server's IP address, a unique numeric code like a phone number or home address.
How many times did you access the Clinton server, Marcel?
I say like twice.
It was like uh email server and I've got the what you think of voting stuff.
And in the process of identifying the server's vulnerabilities, Lazar said he came across evidence that others were there.
There were no other up to 10, like, IPs from other parts of the world.
You'll put the number.
But you can tell by the numbers uh that it can of the work.
By the way, you know what's interesting about this?
Now he said there were hundreds of folders.
He described Clinton's server as completely unsecure.
Uh he's serving prison in Virginia after extradition.
Now the interview took place during his pre extradition detention in Romania.
Now by the way, this guy isn't a just anybody.
He's a Romanian hacker.
Guess what?
He has no formal computer training, none.
And he first exposed Hillary's private email address.
He's extradited from Romania to the U.S. to face charges that he hacked political elites and a source with knowledge of the probe of Clinton's email setup.
said that uh Goosefer is in U.S. custody.
Investigators fully intend to question him about her server.
Well, spending time going after this Romanian guy.
How about going after the woman that put it in jeopardy in the first place?
Anyway, he he didn't provide documentation, but anyway, he said that he had nothing to hide, wants to cooperate, added that he has hidden two gigabytes of data that is too hot and it's a matter of national security.
Now Catherine Heridge and Pam Brown at Fox have done the most extensive reporting on this.
I give them a lot of credit.
He said he first compromised Clinton confidant, Sidney Blumenthal's account in March of 2013, used that as a stepping stone to the Clinton server.
He said he did extensive research on the web and then guessed Blumenthal's security question.
Once inside Blumenthal's account, he saw dozens of messages from the Clinton email address.
He said he accessed Clinton's server twice, though he described the contents not interesting to him at the time.
Anyway, cyber experts who spoke with Fox News said this is extremely plausible what he's describing.
And by the way, he could help the FBI make the case that the Clinton email server may have been compromised by a third party, and in addition, a former State Department IT staffer, Brian Pagliano, I keep telling you, remember that name.
He's now he fled the fifth, but now he's been granted immunity by the Department of Justice.
He's cooperating supposedly with the FBI in their ongoing criminal investigation into Clinton's use of a private server.
Asked what he would say to those skeptical of his claims.
Goosefer said the evidence you can find in his archives, as far as I can remember.
Anyway, it was uh through the Blumenthal compromise that the Clinton Mail.com accounts were first publicly revealed.
And according to Heridge, this Goosefer guy spoke extensively about Blumenthal's account, noting that his emails were interesting and had information about the Middle East and what they were go what was going on there.
And he claims anyway, so that's pretty interesting.
Ron Hoscoe is a former assistant director of the FBI criminal investigative division from 2012 to 2014.
He said, quote, because of the proximity to Blumenthal and the activity by the way it's Sid Vicious Blumenthal and the activity involving Her Highness Hillary Clinton's emails, the timing seems to be something beyond curious.
I'm not prepped to draw any definite conclusions from the so story.
I'm happy to let it play out.
I'm happy to allow the FBI the free reign they need to investigate the case and the claims of this guy Goosefer.
What I will say is that this is a very serious story.
And if what he claims is true, it's a bombshell.
And further evidence that not only did the hack into Hillary's private email server happen, but surely foreign enemies of America with much more sophisticated equipment and personnel did the same thing.
Story's not going away.
It's the bottom line.
It would, you know, should remind people how reckless and irresponsible she is.
So for a presidential campaign, that's got to be a potential nuclear bomb for her.
All right, let's go to Sean is in Texas.
Hey, Sean, how are you?
Glad you called.
Oh, Sean, I'm doing good.
Um, I just wanted to say I am a diehard Ted Cruz supporter.
I voted for him for the Senate.
And I'm going to vote for him again for the next term for the Senate and for 2020 for president.
But um I got a little message for all my Ted Cruz supporters out there.
You need to vote for Donald Trump.
Don't even hold yeah, hold your nose, but you need to vote for Donald Trump because the vote otherwise is going to put Hillary Clinton in office and that's going to destroy our country.
Well, let me just say, as uh somebody that is reading and hearing from all these never Trump people, it's driving me nuts.
Um I know this was a hard-fought campaign, especially for the cruise people.
Because they made it to the end.
They had a shot.
They were there.
A month ago, you were right in this race.
So I think it's great.
I'm not going to spend all my time on this show trying to convince people what to do.
Then the show's going to get boring.
But uh, you know, for somebody like yourself that invested so much in this election, for you to be gracious, you know, how many times have we as conservatives been told to suck it up?
Suck it up.
Suck it up for John McCain.
Yeah, exactly.
But if uh if it if not, it's going to be a Mitt Romney again, and if people don't show up, Hillary's gonna win.
And that's gonna be in our nation.
And instead of getting a conservative judge in next year, they're gonna get a left wing flaming liberal judge in, and the Supreme Court's over.
I I totally agree.
And frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing Trump release those names ahead of time.
I think that that might persuade a lot of conservatives that may be on the fence, although nobody at National Review of the Weekly Standard, apparently.
Anyway, thank you.
I appreciate it.
Uh Doug is in Virginia.
Doug, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, thanks, Sean.
Um, can you hear me okay?
Yes, sir.
Excellent.
Thank you for taking my call.
I was just listening to your call with Sean uh from Texas, and I agree with a lot of what you just said.
However, I would like to interject this point of view.
Um, as a cruise supporter, uh, I felt that uh Ted Cruz is a a friend of the Constitution.
He is.
Uh, which makes him a friend of mine, because I I I very much believe in the Constitution, and I I feel like that's where we need to head if we want to save this country.
Mm-hmm.
And I feel like the hurt and the anger, and I'm not a never Trump person, but uh it is very hard for me to swallow the tactics that Donald Trump has used.
I mean, if you go back, he called Ben Carson a pedophile, he made fun of Carly Fiorina's face, lying Ted, Little Marco.
I mean, there were over and over.
And there are a lot of people who supported these candidates, and they're all offended.
And I I'm afraid the laugh may be on Donald when it comes election time, and he can't get the support of everyone he needs because of his dirty tactics that he used.
The only thing I'll say in in retrospect, everyone has different styles and campaigns.
It it's an ugly game.
It is extraordinarily ugly, and it's a blood sport.
Unfortunately, hitting hard works.
You know, I've seen a lot of the ads that every campaign ran against Trump too.
They were pretty vicious, Doug, uh, in a lot of different ways.
Some people do it a little more cleverly, and they have others do it for them or ads speak for them in in their attacks.
Believe me, the nobody has the cleanest hands in this whole process ever.
Does that make sense to you?
It does.
You might you might actually like it if he's beaten up Crooked Hillary.
You might actually enjoy that.
That's exactly why I was going next is he had better make it his agenda to do everything he's done to our candidates, and worse, to Hillary.
Do you think he's capable of any less, really?
Because I don't.
Well, we you know what?
He's been billed as such a uh, you know, a friend of the Clintons and a donor of the Clintons for so long.
Uh it's still in the air to a lot of people on whether or not he's really against them.
Look, as I said at the beginning of the show, I'm not gonna tell you what to do.
I'm just not.
But I'll say this to you.
You know, maybe give it some time.
I fully understand your your you know, you put a lot of effort and heart into who you chose.
I understand you're upset.
The only thing I would ask you to do is maybe not close the door.
Does that make sense?
Well, I yeah, somebody asked me yesterday, and I said, you know what?
I don't know.
I mean, I could really, really despise Hillary Clinton more and more uh as the election goes on, and I'm pretty I pretty well hate her now.
So I mean that could be I I could have a Trump t shirt on before it's over with.
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
I'm just saying.
I got it.
No, I got a roll though, Doug.
Listen, you're cracking me up.
Uh you really are.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
I mean, he he loved his candidate.
He put a lot of heart into it.
I totally sympathize with that.
All right, glad you're with us.
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We've talked a lot in this election about exit polls.
Same numbers came out of Indiana as every other state.
The number one issue far and away for most Americans is the economy.
You've got what, 20% of American families do not have a single member of the family in the workforce.
You've got literally a 45-year high in terms of labor participation rate, the lowest labor participation rate in in all those years.
You have millions of more Americans in poverty on food stamps.
You've got articles out today, U.S. jobless claims again rise, plan layoff Surge.
We have what, point five percent GDP growth in the last quarter.
President Obama will be the first president ever in history to leave office, having never reached three percent GDP in any given year.
You've got the men that are left behind, an article that was out today that I think people should pay attention to.
They don't have college degrees, they have few job prospects, they feel left behind.
You think this is not good, the scariest chart of the U.S. economy.
Productivity growth is slowing dramatically in the country.
And you have many people predicting that it may be another another bubble that bursts, another recession that's possible.
And if you look at 0.05 GDP growth, well, it seems possible.
And one of the people that supported early on these ridiculous policies of Obama is Alexis Glick, who's a former anchor and the opening bell on the Fox Business Network, vice president of business news and now the CEO of Gen Youth and also editor in chief of CNS News, Terry Jeffrey, are with us.
Welcome both of you.
Hey, Sean, good to see good to hear you.
And Alexis.
Hi, Sean.
And Alexis, I didn't even mention that Obama will accumulate more debt than every other president before him combined.
How did you vote for this guy?
What were you thinking?
You'd do it again, wouldn't you?
You'd do it again.
Listen, I listen, I as I said to you, you know, you and I, we get in our into our tussles, and I think look, uh the facts as you lay them out at the outset are discouraging.
Uh we got we got a lot of issues.
I think the number one most discouraging issue obviously is a level of debt with which we're carrying and the fact that right now, given this debt load, we do not have a lot of choices.
I think the thing that I'm more focused on at this stage, because we can sit here and look at a lot of pluses and minuses in this administration.
You can look at the 14 million jobs created, you can look at the unemployment rate, we could take the other side of the coin, look at the stock market, and then I can look at the stats.
Well, the uh the hundred million people out of the wait a minute, but the hundred million people out of the labor force, the fifty million people in poverty, the forty-six million Americans on food stamps don't care about about the stock market, and number two, well, the unemployment numbers the unemployment numbers are are skewed because they don't count the chronically unemployed.
So the job creation numbers are are are fiction, they're not true.
Okay.
So what they do care about though is we're in an election cycle.
We now have two presumptive nominees, and unless you can give me clarity, the devil is in the details as to what these two candidates are going to do to solve this problem.
Do you feel that you have been given a clear model for a path forward in which we're gonna get out of this debt equation?
Unlike Hillary, who says she's gonna put coal out of business, Trump supports coal, he supports fracking, he supports drilling, he supports energy independence.
I believe there are millions of jobs available there.
He's going to incentivize multinational corporations that to repatriate this money, the trillions, not billions, trillions of dollars overseas that they won't bring back because of confiscatory tax rates, and that would incentivize business to bring their money back, build manufacturing centers, uh, build factories, and give jobs to Americans.
He's also going to build a wall so that we don't have 14 million more illegal immigrants that are competing with Americans that are out of work and also driving down wages.
Sean Sean.
Yeah, Terry.
Go ahead.
Yesterday yesterday we learned from the Census Grove that the U.S. ran a hundred and sixty-five point seven billion dollar merchandise trade deficit in the first quarter of that year of this year.
Seventy-seven point nine billion of that trade deficit was with China, with communist China.
One country.
We brought in more imports in the first quarter of this year from China than we did from all twenty-eight nations in the European Union.
You know, what what we're seeing in the United States over a number of decades is a complete transformation of our economy from one that was a free enterprise system where government was limited and people were able to make a decent living, even if they didn't graduate from college, to a country where the government dominates everything.
And uh Barack Obama has collected eighteen point seven trillion dollars in taxes while he's been president, and he's run up the debt by eight point seven trillion dollars while he's been president.
And as you said, we haven't seen the economic growth in ten straight years, the previous ten straight years, we've never seen three percent economic growth in any year, and we're headed towards another year like that.
If we don't change the basic economic trajectory of our country, we are headed towards economic doom.
I actually agree with that.
And you know what?
Uh, here's my question to you, Alexis.
Now that we have the numbers are in, now that everything people like Terry and myself predicted that Obama would do to the economy have come true.
Would you still vote for Obama?
Listen, it it this look where we are that's kind of a yes or no question.
Okay, well, but but uh but I could turn around and ask ask you yes or no, uh, you know, given given your uh voting history and and and question d do you think that the things that the past administration did set up the economy for success?
You you started the segment last time we two weeks ago we've got the reinvestment act.
There's a lot of revisionists history.
What we need to do is actually sit down and look at the facts.
Well, you still didn't answer my question.
Based on the what we know now, eight years into Obama's presidency.
Do you not agree with Terry and myself that this has been an an economic disaster?
This has been an yes, this has been an economic problem.
I wouldn't say it's a disaster.
It's a disaster.
I mean, would you vote for this guy again?
He's so incompetent.
Please tell me no.
This has been an this has been uh uh You don't want to answer that question.
It's not even a recovery.
But but you but wait a second, wait a second.
You you you can't sit here and say that everything is doom and gloom.
I I I don't believe when when Donald Trump stands on a stage and says we're in an absolute nightmare.
I don't believe we're in an absolute nightmare.
All right, can I ask you?
I mentioned I mentioned three specific things.
Hold on a second, Sean.
Do I agree with Trump that we need to simplify and change the tax code?
Do I think we need to slash corporate rates?
Yes.
Do I think we need to uh pull back federal regulations?
Absolutely.
When he talks about refinancing long-term debt, I don't know if you've heard him talk about it, but he's talking about could we buy back our bonds at discounted rates?
The Treasury occasionally does that.
We would have to go in right now and ask investors to take a discount on our debt.
And oh, by the way, some of the biggest holders of our debt are the Chinese like China in the Capital Reserve.
Yeah, exactly.
With how you know Sean in China.
The United States has essentially an adjustable rate mortgage on our government.
Most of the debt are not in long-term bonds that mature in thirty years.
Most of the debt are in bills and notes that roll over in less than a year or less than ten years, and are very low interest rates.
The average interest on the publicly traded debt is about two percent right now.
About 15 years ago is about six percent.
We're in it, we're in a period where the intergovernmental debt, as they call it, which is the money the government's borrowed from things like the Social Security Trust Fund is going to start to go down because Social Security be running in the red, and we'll have to pay that off by selling debt more debt to the Chinese, the Japanese, etc.
So what does that mean when the when interest rates inevitably rise, because they will.
That means we're going to be paying a trillion dollars a year in cash out the door to the people holding those.
We cannot afford to allow income rates to rise right now.
We have a depression in oil alone.
We right now, quantitative easing and what the Treasury is doing in the Federal Reserve, we have no choice but to rely on the quantitative easing forever.
I mean, at some point of war with China, yeah.
Is that what you want to do?
No, not a war, but I think I I but listen, this is very important.
We have all these Americans out of work.
We have all of these people now, millions more in poverty on food stamps.
I still can't get an answer if you would vote for Obama again knowing what you know now.
You don't want to answer that question, do you?
I I think you're leading the witness.
I'm not leading, it's a simple question.
Knowing what you know now, eight years after Obama, would you vote for him?
So now the next question are you going to vote for Hillary or Trump?
I have not decided who I'm gonna vote for.
I bet it's Hillary.
Hillary is Obama on steroids.
Listen to me.
I can tell you right now that what what disturbs me right now about where we are and what I need to hear, not only as an economist who spent my career on Wall Street and in politics, I want to hear facts.
I want to hear details.
And I'm not seeing enough details.
I just gave you very specific details.
Do I think that Clinton's strategy of of increasing the minimum wage, overtime protections, guaranteeing equal pay, infrastructure investments, do I think that's enough?
I don't think that's enough.
But I also think we're not sitting down and tactically looking at the deficit, the budget, and sitting down here and saying, what are we how are we gonna gain income other than raising?
I gave you three specific ways that he has repatriated trillions in the country for investment.
Number one, becoming energy independent.
No, it could take it could be done in six months.
Why does it have to take years?
Uh first of all, you got six months to an election, six months to go in front of Congress.
It's going to take we will be in a repatriation conversation for at least another year or two.
Okay, but starting to I don't think it needs to be that complicated.
I'd argue the problem isn't that the government isn't bringing in enough revenue.
The federal government's bringing in too much revenue.
Taxes are too high.
And inflation adjusted dollars this year, the government is taxing away money at a higher rate than ever in our history.
As a percentage of GDP, it's higher than the historical norm.
It's not the money coming into the government that's that's bad.
It's the money going out to cut spending, to cut entitlements.
Have you heard a plan as to how we're going to cut spending?
Yes.
What is the plan?
And Trump has mentioned it on this program numerous times.
It's called the Penny Plan.
You cut what you uh you eliminate baseline budgeting, built-in spending increases in every department of government.
Hang on, no, you well, just by reducing increases every year, they gotta live within their means.
In other words, go back to two thousand and twelve spending level, start there, cut a penny out of every dollar across the board every year for six years and you balance your budget.
What's wrong with that?
Do you think the Ryan right now, do you think that there is one guy right now on Capitol Hills?
With all due respect, in twenty-five years is his plan is to balance the budget.
That's not fast enough.
It's not.
It's not bold enough.
You know, if America wants to be economically strong, we better get this budget in balance, or our kids are gonna be taxed at a ninety-five percent rate and all productivity will will decline, as will our standard of living dramatically.
That's right.
We're gonna see disaster a lot a lot sooner than twenty-five years if we don't get this fixed.
And Sean's right, why not cut federal spending by one percent a year?
One penny dollar, which will be not opposed to cutting federal spending.
I love the idea of cutting federal spending, but I want to see hardcore facts and details.
And I think that's a good thing.
I just gave you facts and details.
All right.
All right, wait, but but Alexis, you gotta listen.
I also talked about repatriation.
I talked about the jobs that would be created with energy independence.
It's a lifeblood of our economy by every stretch of the imagination.
I also talked about lower taxes uh across the board that stimulates economic growth.
It was good enough for John Kennedy and good enough for Reagan, and it actually works.
Uh I also think we've got to consider you know getting rid of some some government agencies in total.
And I think we've got to make people aware that eventually Social Security is bankrupt, they rated the lockbox, they stole it from us.
Every penny they spent, they squandered.
It was never put away like they promised.
Social Security and Medicare must be reformed.
There's no question about it, Sean.
But another thing is Obamacare needs to be a good thing.
How many years have we been talking about that for?
No one disagrees.
If we do no one, no American taxpayer in this country disagrees that they need to be reformed.
Why hasn't it happened?
Because the politicians don't have the moral courage to do it, and what's going to happen instead is we're going to have a financial crisis in this country like we've never seen.
Then we're going to have a political battle after that crisis, and that will in fact fundamentally transform America.
Because the the inevitable crisis will come unless it's fixed now.
It's coming.
Oh, it's coming.
It's going to hit hard.
And you know what's caused it?
Redistribution, statism, communism, socialism.
Oh, the Democratic Party caused it.
And by the way, Alexis voted for Obama.
You hate me right now.
You hate me right now, don't you?
And she's probably and she's probably going to vote For Hillary.
I have not decided who I am going to do.
You're not going to vote for Trump.
I can tell you right now, Sean, despite your b despite the way you'd like to label me, I have voted on both sides of the aisle throughout my voting uh history.
The one thing I will tell you, and I've said this to you but in the past, at this stage in the election, the stakes I believe are higher than ever.
Of course they are.
And what I sit here and I watch, I've watched every debate.
I know the candidates well.
I do not think we have crystal clear facts.
I think I do, but I don't have time to go over.
I gotta I gotta stop, but I will Kellyanne Conway, Doug Schoen will be with us at the top of the hour.
We'll look at some poll numbers.
Doug thinks that Tuesday night for Indiana was a disaster for Hillary for two reasons.
He'll tell us.
All right, let's get, as I promised to our busy uh telephones here.
We'll start in let's see, North Carolina, Mike is next on the Sean Hannity show.
Mike, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Good afternoon, Mr. Hannity.
How are you, sir?
Um I'm a Ted Cruz supporter, and it really upset me when uh Mr. Cruz uh suspended his campaign.
Having said all that, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.
Uh I'm not voting for Donald Trump because I necessarily like him as a candidate.
I'm voting for Donald Trump because he's not a communist and he's not Hillary Clinton.
And I don't believe that Mr. Trump will be anywhere near as much of a disaster as a third term of Obama would be.
And I think that anyone who stays at home and doesn't vote because their candidate didn't didn't get the nomination, they need to look at the last eight years.
Well, look, I said at the beginning of the program today, I'm I am not going to spend every hour of every day telling people who they've got to vote for.
You know, I'll point out the positions.
For example, I'm I suspect, based on my interviews with Trump, that when he releases the names of the pool of justices he would only consider for the Supreme Court.
I've got to believe that you're gonna be pretty happy based on what he has told me about his judicial philosophy.
I've got to believe you'll be happy if he actually builds that wall and ends sanctuary cities and deports people that are cr at least committing crimes here illegally.
I think you'll be happy that he's gonna listen to our national director of intelligence about taking in potential ISIS terrorist that will infiltrate the refugee population.
I I gotta believe as a conservative, you're gonna be happy with ending common core and giving local municipalities uh the choices on their education.
Probably, you know, I think you'd be happy with energy independence.
I think you'd be happy with better trade deals negotiated.
I think you'd be happy with an idea that we gotta balance the budget and maybe uh adopt the penny plan.
You know, so uh those are just a few of the things that I would urge people to think about, but I'm not gonna push people um into what to do.
I can't, I won't.
I think it's a waste of airtime, it's repetitive, and I that's that that I I am glad you said it.
I would have gladly supported Senator Ted Cruz.
I think he's a good man.
I think he's he's got a future ahead of him brighter than probably he even knows today.
I think he could still be president.
I could see him on the Supreme Court.
I could see a lot of possibility I could see him as Trump's vice president.
Uh you know, so I don't know what's gonna happen.
I'm glad you're saying it, but I'm not gonna spend every hour of every day on this program trying to convince people like uh uh that are writing on National Review and elsewhere what to do.
Let them take their toys and go home.
I think it's a bad idea.
I I agree with you.
Yeah.
All right, my friend.
Thanks, Mike.
Uh 800 nine four one Sean.
All right, Laura Perry is a new joy zone.
What's up, Perry, listening to the all new AM 710 WOR.
What's up?
Hi, Sean.
Look, um the reason why I can't vote for Trump is because I'm a patriot, and I think that he has said six words that not only ISIS heard, but the Democrats heard, which is I like people who were not captured.
They're probably right now producing a a political ad where some ISIS fighters catch one of our guys, take him to a torture chamber with a uh video screen in it and say, look, you might as well spill your ducks, and then they'll show Trump saying, I like people who weren't captured.
Think of that POW MIA flag with those.
Listen, I didn't I didn't like I said at the time, and I'm gonna say it now, I didn't like the comment.
I I'm sure if Trump had an opportunity, he probably regret saying it.
Let me let me just say this.
If that's what if if that sums up the whole election for you, you know, maybe I have more sympathy for for people that that say stupid things or say things they don't mean in in the heat of the moment or a heat of a campaign than you do because I make my my live living doing extemporaneous radio.
I mean, this is it.
I'm hanging by a net here.
And I do have one little safety net.
I have a a dump button, which I've used on myself more than callers over the years, but you know, I have some sympathy.
I mean, if you if if if this whole campaign for you comes down to six words and you'll elect Hillary Clinton who lied to the faces of of those families after four Americans were left on their own and we did nothing to help them, and then she lied about it.
If that's not enough to convince you, I I'm not gonna spend my time doing it.
Vote do what you want.
Follow your heart.
Okay?
Okay, I will do.
I have people in my family that that were in the military.
And think about military.
So do I. Yeah.
And putting people in in harm's way with with the our president on on video saying he doesn't like POWs?
John McCain listen, John McCain, I I think is is part of the big problem that caused this insurgency year.
He's a moderate Republican.
He's done a lot of great things for his country.
I supported him, he was an American hero.
He spent five years as a POW.
I think it was a a misstatement by Mr. Trump, and I but I'm not boiling this campaign down to six words.
I'm not gonna do it.
There is there are too many other important things as well uh that we've got to consider.
And if it's if that is what if that's what defines it for you, what's worse, those words or how Hillary Clinton treated the Benghazi families.
And if you answer that question, I think you'd agree that the way she treated the Benghazi families was far worse.
They left those people to rot.
They left those people to die.
They knew this was a terror attack, and then they clearly lied to us on purpose.
So that's your decision.
That's not the issue that we leave on tape saying that she doesn't like PLWs.
No, we have her on tape saying one thing to her daughter, and we have her we have now confirmed an email she says to her daughter, and she says to the the Libyan president and the Egyptian prime minister that it's a terror attack, and she told the American people just the opposite.
And then at the funeral of these and then when the when the caskets came back, she lied to the families.
Yeah, but no matter what anybody says, they're not gonna be able to take those shit.
I don't know what you're looking for.
This is like our LWs.
I don't listen, you you you I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you.
If that's your defining issue, then so be it.
If you're looking for perfection, you're never gonna find it in a human being.
I said this earlier.
If you're looking for a Messiah, a shiach, you're never gonna find it in flawed human beings.
You just are not.
That's why I go back to a c governance is not that hard.
Keep it simple, stupid.
There are some simple basic things that could have a profound effect on making this country stronger and correcting making a course correction that would benefit the people of this country.
And that's the big picture I'm gonna look at.
Jim in Missouri next.
Jim, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
Enjoy your show.
Thanks for taking my call.
Thank you.
What's going on?
Well, I am a cruise voter, most tightly contested state in the nation.
Cruz just lost by about four tenths of a percent here.
And uh most all of my friends voted for Cruz except for one, and I forgive him, but uh, you know, I'm I'm a little rough around the edges.
I'm I'm I'm sad to hear that Senator Cruz dropped out, but at the same time, um, you know, like I told the boys on my baseball team, uh I coach my son's baseball team.
We can't beat four losers.
Um, you know, when we win, that's great.
But when we lose, we we we suck it up and we go over and we congratulate the winner.
And the bottom line is same kind of situation.
You know, my opinion is that Trump says some kind of crazy stuff sometimes, but you know, when you Compare it to the alternative.
That those guys, you know, both Sanders and Clinton, those folks are completely wacko.
So it's a lesser of two evils, in my opinion.
I'm uh I'm gonna give Trump my support.
It it's tough to do, but uh, like my one abstaining friend that the Trump supporter says, he says uh, you know, what we've got now is a world economy, not a world court.
That's why we need a businessman instead of a lawyer.
And I can't disagree with him on that.
You know, what you said is profound.
You said you're coaching your son's baseball team, which is interesting to me.
My kids are competitive tennis players, and they've been playing since they're little.
And one of the things I love the most about sports for kids is that it teaches them a lot of life lessons.
And you touched on one of them.
You don't always win.
You've got to learn that to take the hit when you lose, you've got to be gracious in victory, and you've got to be gracious in defeat.
It is it's it's one of those things.
Not everything in your life is gonna go swimmingly.
I know everything in my life is not gone swimmingly.
And so I I I look, I I think that's a a really sober.
I understand your disappointment too, by the way.
I I get it.
You know, everybody that I know that made a decision, you know, people have questioned me about the sincerity of me in this position.
I knew that from the very beginning, we're on 550 radio stations.
I knew that there would be people in my audience supporting each one of the 17 candidates.
I knew at some point those people at different times were gonna be disappointed when their guy ended up losing because 16 out of the 17 ended up losing.
Ted Cruz came in second place.
He had an amazing campaign in my view.
I understand the disappointment when we don't get what we want.
I I totally understand it.
Um to me, what's fascinating to me is to look at it from a position of trying to be objective and trying to give you the best analysis I can.
I think the fact that you had two insurgents both winning, it's very different people, but both winning tells us a lot about the state of Washington and people's feeling of betrayal.
I don't think it's that hard.
For example, I bet you know, if a kid's not hitting the ball, he's in a little bit of a slump.
I'm sure there's simple things you can tell that kid, stop pulling your head out, step into it, you know, you're jerking your swing, whatever.
There's certain things you can tell them to fix it.
Well, I don't think fixing a country is as complicated as it sounds if you do the simple things first.
You don't spend more than you take in, you live within your means, you encourage economic activity, you become energy independent, you lower taxes, you stimulate the economy.
You know, you do simple basic things first.
And you know, based on what Donald Trump has told me in all these interviews, and I've listened.
A lot of people I get the feeling have not listened to what he says.
I can recite by rote what what Ted Cruz ran on.
I can recite by rote what John Kasich ran on.
I could recite by rote what Donald Trump ran on.
And I uh to me, it's not even close to an option.
It's it's it's a profound difference.
Yeah.
I walk door to door for W in 04.
Yeah, proud I did.
I think he's a good president.
I don't like some of the things Trump has said about him, but at the same time, like I say, we've got to do some things to shore up this country.
And um, you know, one thing you kind of stole my thunder on dog on it, chan, but uh I would love to see, and I think this would heal a lot of wounds if if uh Trump could put Senator Cruz on the short list to replace Antonin Scalia.
I think that would be a brilliant idea.
I think Ted Cruz would be an outstanding Supreme Court Justice.
Of all the people you can name right now, he'd be first on my list.
Mike Lee would probably be second.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, well, we'll see what happens.
All right, buddy.
I'm thinking those folks listen to your show, so let's see.
Well, I think you gave us some simple life lessons as a coach that we really could all learn from.
Thank you so much for your call.
Appreciate it.
All right, 800 941 Sean is uh our number.
All right, big time AJ Houston, Texas.
What's going on, baby?
Big time.
Hey, big dramatic.
Hey, uh, I voted for Cruz, but hey, I'm a team player.
Cruz is in the deal, just like a sports deal.
And the thing of it is, I go for the red, but then it was in the National League.
If you lose, I'm gonna go with the National League to win the World Series.
That's the same with our party.
I'm a little different.
If if the Yankees lose, I go right to the Mets and the Mets are winning and the Yankees are getting crushed this year.
I know exactly what you mean.
Hey, but like John, everybody, use your common sense.
The two evils that y'all claim that's out there, I'm gonna take the Trump because of the fact that C and E and already lying on Trump about the minimum wage.
Trump wanna get jobs to offset the minimum wage.
Get jobs, and we don't have to worry about minimum wage because you'll be working to make money, and you don't have to worry about it.
You get a good job.
Yeah, by the way, that was a false report that he's flip-flopped.
He said, No, I'm looking into it, but I the better way is to bring back jobs.
Yes, that part was left out.
Exactly.
But the pain of it is America.
We got a country to save for what Hillary and Barack Obama, yes, I did blame them.
What they did.
And the job reports are coming out tomorrow.
And the reason that his numbers are so low, nobody's looking for work anymore.
There's no jobs out there for our college kids.
Our kids in school, they can't learn, they don't know who the president is.
Come on, people.
We've got to save what these two did to our country.
Sorry, baby.
All right.
Love you, Sean.
Love you, AJ.
Thank you, buddy.
Wow, I I'm actually surprised.
I thought I'm just well, I'm glad.
I'm not uh it I'm not gonna spend every hour of every day persuading everybody on this program who to vote for.
It's not up, it's not my job.
I'll give you information, you make your own choice.
Some people have dug in their heels, the NRO people and others, you know, go all right, dig in.
What am I gonna spend please, pretty please?
Uh uh, you know, if I I the only thing I would say to me is it is uh pretty much a support for Hillary.
It's a half a vote anyway.
But but people within your own party have said on this program that if Donald Trump is a nominee, it is will destroy the Republican Party.
Uh Senator Graham is saying, for example, how can a presumptive nominee who has such so little support from Latinos and from women ever win a general election?
Well, first of all, let me just remind everyone that what's happening in the Republican Party is pretty historic when you look at voter registration against the Democrats has never been better than in 25 years.
Our fundraising in the first quarter at the RNC was an all-time record.
We've raised more money than we did in 2012.
What I'm telling you is that the fundamentals are actually the opposite of the narrative.
Now, clearly, when you have a race where you've got 17 candidates, and as of late, two very serious candidates with serious campaigns.
It's not easy.
It's hard.
And I would be lying to you all if I said, okay, this is gonna be easy, we're just gonna pivot.
You know what?
We gotta unify.
We need time to unify, and it's and and it's and and we will unify, but this is what today starts, which is this unification process.
All right, that was the RNC chairman Ryan's previous commenting on Ted Cruz and John Kasich now getting out of the race, and here we have it.
The Republicans who would have thought it, 17 candidates picked their candidate before Hillary Clinton uh gets the nomination for the Democrats.
I don't think anybody anticipated that.
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Uh Doug Schoen is a pollster, political analyst, Fox News contributor, Kellyanne uh Conway, founder and president of the polling company who had been supporting and polling and and doing a lot of work for Senator Cruz throughout this campaign.
Welcome both of you.
Thank you, Sean.
All right, so Doug, you said the Indiana primary was a disaster for Hillary for two reasons.
Tell us.
The two reasons are she lost Indiana, she hasn't locked this up.
Donald Trump is consolidating his support.
Uh I did say he is behind the polls that have come out subsequently and have suggested that, but he's got the momentum, and candidly, Hillary Clinton is on her back legs without an argument, a strategy, and a rationale, even though I still think she's the uh likely winner of this election.
Well, likely winner, Kellyanne, in part because of this corrupt superdelegate system that the Democratic Party has.
The establishment basically handed all of those superdelegates to her.
You you erase those delegates from the equation, and it's a neck and neck race with Bernie Sanders.
Well, it ain't.
And guess who's not convinced that that quote rig processes superdelegates is the way to go?
The millions upon millions of voters, Sean, that are still turning out for Bernie Sanders.
This man won Indiana at a time when you would have expected the Democratic Party base and its voters to fall in line be f behind Hillary Clinton.
What are they doing?
You've got Republicans falling in line behind Donald Trump, and you still have the Bernie Sanders voters telling Hillary Clinton basically all through the rough belt.
Uh we don't want you.
And you know what, Kellyanne, I'm not going with young people.
I think it's going to take time for especially Ted Cruz supporters.
I mean, this was a particularly brutal battle between two warriors out there.
And uh I don't I don't see or perceive that this is gonna heal easily.
You uh look, I know you're magnanimous.
You've been through this process as much as I have throughout our lifetimes.
You know how hard it is and grinding and grueling it is on a campaign trail and how difficult it is for candidates when they do finally get out of a race that they wanted to win desperately.
Um I think this is gonna take some time.
How long do you think it takes?
And do you think it's doable?
Two things.
First, um, there's such a difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as the party's nominees and front members.
Hillary Clinton had the whole field clear to her.
Donald Trump had sixteen other opponents, and very few people believe in him from the beginning.
So she ought to have it all sewn up, and he's the one who does.
But to your point about Jillian feelings, look, I'm not part of the stop Trump effort.
I'm part of the stopped Hillary effort.
And but that's me, and that's very personal to me.
You will find maybe it'll take Senator Mrs. Cruz a little bit longer because Donald Trump insulted Heidi Cruz.
He insulted Raphael Cruz, so that's up to them, that's personal to them.
They'll need to make those decisions in due course.
But I'm very, very happy, very proud, frankly, of Senator Cruz.
Talk about magnanimous and grace we lost to have exited the race even when he was getting urges and calls from folks saying, stay in there, we can't have Donald Trump, keep going.
You're almost halfway there.
Uh he made that very personal.
He said he he came for a gentleman.
He said if there wasn't a path anymore, he would exit the exit the field, and he did that.
Now, Sean, I just want to remind everyone too.
Plenty of people saw it hard to support some of our other presidential nominees.
Okay.
Uh we we got a lot of people voicing down on the throat who I don't see as necessarily limited government free market conservatives, and we're also fall in line because, quote, they can win.
Well, I think folks should do some soul searching here and stop at the nonsense of I'm going to vote for Hillary.
We vote for Hillary, you get the socialist government you deserve, you get the peevish, shrewish, uh negative uh score-settling Hillary Clinton that you deserve.
I think that's a very irresponsible thing to say, I'm going to vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump when she compared, she compared pro-life Republicans to terrorists.
She won't call radical Islamic terrorists terrorists, but she called pro-Lake Republicans terrorists.
She called what Republicans terrorists?
Prolife.
Oh, pro-li, yeah, okay.
You know, um, one of the things that I think has been missed here, and both of you have been polling for many, many years, and you've been through many of these election cycles as I have been.
I I don't think I we will move we may never see an election cycle like this again in our lifetime.
And personally, my my take on this is that I think people are so angry, they're so frustrated, they're so annoyed, especially with Republicans because of their their lack of spine and a backbone to take on the Obama agenda, signing off on five trillion dollars, nearly five trillion in debt when Boehner was speaker, for example, not using the power of the purse, not stopping the things they could have defunded with Obamacare, allowing executive amnesty to go through, no compelling vision.
I I I think that this is basically the voters putting their middle fingers up in the face of both parties.
Well, Sean, that's why I said on your program that the best vice presidential candidate I could think of for Donald Trump uh was Ben Carson.
Stay outside.
Don't go to a Washington insider who has been discredited.
Uh or worse, go to people of change, present a clear new alternative to the American people.
Because Secretary Clinton, who again, I am supporting, I want her to be president, but she is the quintessential insider.
I have a very different view than Kellyanne, but I do not minimize the electoral problem the secretary faces.
She is a horrible candidate at best.
Not none of the interpersonal skills of her husband.
She does not have the the oratory skills of Obama.
She is not going to get the turnout, and we saw this in the primary that Obama has gotten in the last two election cycles by any stretch.
I think it's a wide open field.
It's just a matter of uh, you know, I think for the Republicans, it's a matter of of whether or not they will unite or not.
Kellyanne, I mean, you've followed polling all these years.
Have you ever seen anything like this?
We've never seen anything like it.
And it's part of why you see that record registration and record turnout in so many of these Republican primary states Chairman Prevus is speaking about earlier, Sean.
And it's also why the general election is a wild card.
It's a jump ball.
Anyone who tells you Trump can't turn it around among women and young people and Hillary's got it in the bag.
Folks, if it's a referendum on Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump and his surrogates actually stand up and say, okay, you're for women.
You've been in public life for 30 years, Hillary Clinton.
You've improved your position.
You have not improved the position of women.
You have you've been out there, you've made gazillions of dollars just giving speeches to Wall Street, which by the way weren't even that interesting.
And you make more in one twenty-five-minute speech than than than a woman makes in years and years and years going to her job every single day.
She may share their gender, but she shares very little else with America's women, not their values, not their vision, not their economic struggles, but not their life experiences.
So this is going to be much more competitive, I think, than people realize, or it can be.
I have no idea what Donald Trump's going to say in Junex, none of us did.
But it can be more competitive.
But Kellyanne let me ask you a follow-up.
She has the most rehearsed, non-resilient politician, and Trump is the biggest wild card we've seen.
Well, let me ask a follow up to what you're saying here, because I agree with you.
I think it's a jump ball, and I think Republicans that think they have this in the bag are are sorely mistaken, and you can't think that way.
I think Democrats that think uh, oh, we we want Donald Trump because he's got high negatives, they may be uh regretting what they wish for.
I think I think Doug agrees with that, but I guess my follow-up question is if you go back to when there were seventeen candidates, Kellyanne, and I have racked my brain as much as I possibly can over this.
I could not ever decide who was more electable in this uh of the seventeen Republicans.
I still don't know the answer to that.
I don't, you know, I have questions and and doubts about all of them.
Well, that's right.
And primary voters had doubts about plenty of them.
Um of them didn't win their own states.
We had governors, we had senators, we had outsiders, we had a woman, we had we had such a tapestry, really, of individuals.
And yet I think Sean, fundamentally, this is the election cycle where electability no longer mattered.
Meaning it was such the dominant uh such the dominant calling card for Republicans in the past.
Oh, you've got to rally around Mitt Romney, quote, he can win.
John McCain, he can win.
George W. Bush, he can win.
No one else can win.
And people would it would become truce just by virtue of the repetition and the reiteration becoming the truth.
I have plenty of time, plenty of choices, and I will not be cowled into being told again who can win, who's gonna lose, what how to think, what to vote for.
And I think the strength of Donald Trump that you Doug and I spoke on your radio show last August.
I pulled the transcript.
It's amazing to see.
He just doesn't own he doesn't owe the donors anything, he doesn't owe the consultants anything.
It's quite remarkable to see a Republican presidential candidate, whether he was one of seventeen or now one of one, who literally doesn't need the fuel and the fire that has propelled these candidates for a very long time.
And look, that's also why some people don't like him.
They're worried that the wheels will come off the gravy train right away.
Well, I mean, look, they've have been predicting that from the very beginning.
I can't tell m tell you of all the seventeen candidates in the process of me interviewing all of them.
Oh, Donald Trump won't survive.
He's not gonna make it.
He's definitely face finished, you know, and then he defies political gravity at a level that is remarkable considering all conventional wisdom would say that would kill a campaign.
Not in his case, it makes him stronger.
I've never seen anything like it.
And Doug, I don't think you've seen anything like it.
Well, this is an unprecedented year, and uh Sean, let me share with your listeners what will be Democratic strategy.
I think you'll appreciate the strategy, though you will not think it'll work.
Hillary Clinton and her Democratic allies, the Super PACs et al, are gonna run an unprecedented negative campaign against Donald Trump.
It is in their minds the best and only way to ensure uh Democratic victory in the Senate, potentially the House, and ultimately the White House.
You will see close to a billion dollars in negative ads, Sean, from this point going forward.
That's what we're looking at, because as you have said, and I have to agree, there's not a lot that Hillary can say on her own behalf.
It will be a negative war from the Democrats.
And as you've acknowledged, Sean, Democrats are better at it typically than Republicans.
Yeah.
Well, I but you know what?
That is c the conventional thinking.
To be perfectly blunt, what you described, Doug, is nothing short of the same old democratic playbook that Republicans are racist, there's a war on women, gender politics, throw Granny over the cliff.
It's worked enough, Sean.
Well, it has worked enough.
I'm not going to dispute it, but I mean you're you're running a conventional campaign.
Kellyanne does a conventional campaign work in a very unconventional year.
It won't.
It won't if the nominee is Donald Trump, and and it looks like it is.
It won't, Sean, because uh he is completely unpredictable, and he's also something that most politicians, even our most conservative best fire brands are not.
Donald Trump is fearless when it comes to the Clintons.
He has proven that he is unapologetically unafraid of Bill Clinton.
She she's just not resilient.
There's this is somebody who lost to Barack Obama eight years ago, not eight months or eight minutes ago.
They had eight years to figure this out, gentlemen, and here she is struggling again, and she is struggling.
Bernie's won a lot of states.
They look at the map.
The cluster of states that Bernie Sanders has won over Hillary Clinton, who everybody is being told we'll be the next nominee, we'll be the next president, is nothing short of remarkable.
Donald Trump is completely unpredictable, and he's willing to go into a breach where no one has ever gone before.
And let me say something else.
Here's something else voters don't like.
They don't like candidates that seem so desperate to be president.
They don't like people that look like they're going to self-destruct in the next five seconds if they don't get it.
That was Al Gore, that was Sean King.
They don't like people like that.
That is Hillary Clinton illustrated.
It's her turn.
She deserves it, darn it.
She's it it's she's the best.
I'm with her fighting for us.
I got her a guy who can go back to his day job, Donald Trump making a million bucks a day at the Trump Corporation.
I got a roll, but uh thank you both for being with us.
Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee and likely to go against Hillary Clinton.
Dennis in Indiana.
Dennis, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, it's great to be on here today, Sean.
Let me ask you if you agree with my my statement from earlier in the program.
I mean, there are some that are making the claim that somehow the people of Indiana had no idea of how important a role that they were playing in this election.
And that they and that they went into the polls somewhat ignorantly and and had no idea that it was it was make or break pretty much for Ted Cruz.
Is that true or did everybody know?
Well, um I I'm a pastor uh here in Indiana, and so I'm very conservative uh in the way that I view politics and and and I'm a Trump supporter.
And uh when I went to the polling station, or when I went to the voting station and voted, man, the line was out the door.
I I have never at any time at a primary election ever had to be part of the line.
In the general election, sometimes maybe somewhat of a line, but I've never.
And with the people that I'm talking with, people are just fed up.
That this year has struck a chord with a lot of people who normally don't vote or get involved with politics.
And I I really think that um the people of Indiana, listen, Indiana has been hit hard.
Uh we've seen a lot of industry lead over the last 20 years.
And and we are concerned.
We are concerned about our families.
We are concerned about uh immigration, we are concerned about jobs and all of the things that that Trump is is striking a chord with is hitting to the heart of a lot of people in the heartland of this country.
You know, I think this is what I also think, and I go back to my theory that I laid out in the first Hour of the program today.
And that is, you know, how did a guy like Donald Trump defy all conventional political gravity, knock out sixteen of the best and brightest that the Republicans have to offer?
How did that happen?
You know, is there is it really the media's fault were the people of Indiana absolutely clueless, had no idea how important their vote was?
I I think we did.
I think we did.
And I think if you look at the numbers of how many people showed up at the polls, I mean, the amount of votes that Trump got total was close to the amount that uh Hillary and and Bernie got combined.
So people showed up, and and I really believe that there is this silent majority out there.
I mean, you keep hearing about it on the media.
You keep hearing that I'm on the ground.
I I'm talking with people every day.
And I'm talking just common people, hard-working people that get up every day, that have families that are concerned about the direction of this country.
And I think I'm gonna say something.
I have been warning the Republican Party for years that they're timid, feckless, uh lack of fight, lack of vision is going to end in a disaster.
Yeah.
Now I don't think Trump is is necessarily the disaster.
I I actually think that his message has resonated far more deeply than the Republicans ever anticipated, and it really goes to the heart of okay, control our borders for for two big reasons.
One, because, okay, 14 million illegals are in this country taking jobs from Americans and driving wages down.
Those are American people, 95 million of them out of the workforce, 20% of American families don't have a single family member working, and number two, it would also prevent radical Islamists from having an opening into this country.
Yeah.
Those things are resonating.
And the idea that somehow this is anything other than what it is, it is the failure of both parties.
It is institutionalized flaws and failure that caused and by the way, this is Republican and Democratic governance governance.
Yeah.
And all those things that I said that they would never adopt or do.
Look, if they want if Republicans really wanted a wall, they've had ample time to build the wall.
And they haven't got the job done.
Well, and I I think and this is the thing about it.
I Ted Cruz is a man is a great man.
I I I think I think his resume speaks for itself.
His convictions, what he stands for, they line up with my values.
But the reason why, and and and I don't just speak for myself.
I speak for a lot of people that are part of my constituency.
Um they they believe that it's just politics is usual.
That that when you heard Ted uh uh uh on the on the stump, when he was making his speeches and everything he was, it was so robotic, it it was just politics as usual.
And the attitude of people is you've had this much time in office.
And and I think when people look at Hillary, they need to think about that.
From the governor's office to when her husband was president to all the years she was a senator and then secretary of state.
What has she accomplished?
Even conservatives, but when they get to office, nothing gets done.
And that's why Trump's messages resonated with people.
All right, Pastor, appreciate it.
Uh 800-941 Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
Greg is in Houston, Texas.
Greg, our liberal friend, KTRH, what's going on, sir?
How are you doing today, Sean?
I like to say hello to your audience too.
It's not that Donald Trump is great at so many things, but what he did to Senator T. Cruz, I really just don't like.
You know, uh Trump, to me, is just like one of the people that endorsed him.
I think Mike Tyson endorsed him.
Trump is a blowhart.
Trump goes out there, and he did to Cruz when Mike Tyson did to so many of his his his challenges.
He blew through them.
He cut them down by any means necessary.
And you know, hey, I'm not going to say I was going to vote for T. Cruz, but T Cruz.
You're you're you're a liberal.
You're a liberal.
You never would have voted for Ted Cruz.
You were always gonna voted for Obama twice.
You're gonna vote for Hillary.
You're not you don't really care about the Republican Party.
You don't you just don't care.
But I am telling you, after eight years of Obama, that is a big part of of the formula as Well, Obama has failed.
You know who he's failed the most?
He's failed those people that need government to get out of the way.
He's failed, you know, disproportionately.
Who's been impacted by these horrible economic policies?
But minorities, Latinos, blacks, women.
They have been negatively impacted.
You know, the numbers that I give out every day are real people, real jobs that now have turned into real votes by people fed up and disgusted.
Absolutely justifiable anger and frustration and justifiable indignation at how bad the system has been for we the people.
That's what's happened here.
Now you could spin it any way you want, but the people you voted for now have had eight years, they've doubled the debt, millions more in poverty, millions more on food stamps, 20% of American families don't have a single worker, and then he gives 150 billion dollars, allows the number one state sponsor of terror to get 150 billion dollars and continue to spin their centrifuges.
You know, this is a guy that does not have a clue.
And I think people are saying, you know what?
Screw all of you.
The hell with all of you.
You know what?
We'll t we know what you guys will do.
We'll take our chance with this guy.
Now, if Trump does the things that he says he's gonna do, the things that he said to me that he would do, the country would be better off by a long shot.
And I have to believe you take somebody at their word, if he doesn't do it, he'll be thrown out on his backside in ten seconds also.
But I've I I kind of believe him when he says he's gonna build a wall.
I kind of believe him that he's serious about repealing Obamacare.
I kind of believe him that unlike Hillary that wants to put the coal business out of business, that he's gonna move America towards energy independence and build the wall and and send education back to the states.
Those are the things that he ran on, not unlike a lot of other people.
I you know, this this notion that people had no idea what they were doing is just it's a narrative that is false.
People paid very close attention.
We have voting records in the Republican Party.
They knew what was at stake.
They understood the issues, they made up their own minds because they have decided that Washington is fundamentally probably irreparably damaged, and it needs a political earthquake to shake the system up.
People are not dumb, they're not stupid.
Uh, Ray is in Pennsylvania.
Ray, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, how are you doing?
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm good, man.
I I want to thank you for all that you do.
It's a great day.
And a couple callers back, you were saying, why?
Why does this happen with uh Trump?
It's because the common man again, Sean.
He's so believable, and you gotta keep asking your c yourself this question.
Why is he doing it?
He's doing it, he ain't doing it for money or fame.
He's doing it for us.
He's and he's fed up.
The other thing is this.
Now, proof said he's the nominee, correct?
That's correct.
Okay.
Now, I don't trust any of them, Sean.
I want I want Mr. Trump to keep his foot on the throttle and clean up all the damages he can and wipe them out and go win it into the convention with all the delegates he can muster.
Because I don't trust any of them.
Well, they at this point's got a feeling that he's saying, you know, oh, he got the nominee because uh Mr. Trump made a couple mistakes here and there.
Oh, he's gonna take his foot off the throttle, and then he ain't gonna get to 1237, and then we'll fly in Kasich or somebody else.
Nah, it's not I want him to floor it.
Listen, a month ago, that was a realistic possibility, which is why we spend so much time talking about a contested convention and uh how how you appeal to delegates and what the second ballot would be about, and and it was frankly the strategy of both Kasich and Cruz that they were going to prevent Donald from getting to 1237.
Uh the people of Indiana knew this.
They knew all of this when they went into the the voting booth.
Ray, you're a great caller.
Thank you, my friend.
Appreciate it.
Uh, let us go to Ginger Grand Rapids Wood Radio in Michigan.
How are you?
Hey, Sean.
Well, for me and my friends, it's not a great day, uh, because we're cruise supporters.
Um and it puts us in the dilemma that we, you know, a lot of us don't feel the trust that others feel for Trump.
And then that's something that we have learned, you know.
Everybody talks about building the wall.
It never gets built.
Where are you gonna build it?
Are you gonna build on the real ground?
You're gonna build it on private property.
You know, are you gonna deport hundred thousand people?
How are you gonna deport hundreds of thousands of people?
And it's it's once again, we want people to stick to the Constitution and enforce our laws.
And no one's willing to do it.
And that's why we were so into uh Ted Cruz.
Um it's a great support for him.
Um and that's gonna be a dilemma for those of us six months.
As much as let me let me give you my theory on as much as an outsider, I think that Ted Cruz was.
And Ted Cruz, frankly, has been a hero to conservatives uh for years because he stood up and he's paid a price for it.
He's paid the price of being hated by by all of those people in DC because he stood up when they wouldn't.
He embarrassed them because he was trying to fulfill a promise.
Um the reason he did so well is because he stood up.
The reason uh you know, but for Trump this year, as a total outsider, I would I would render a guess he probably would have been the nominee this year, just based on how the voting patterns of of the way people went this election.
Uh with that said, I think, you know, Ted Cruz is not done.
Ted Cruz is a young man.
Ted Cruz is a principled fighter.
Ted Cruz is for any success of any president, you're gonna need people like Ted Cruz and frankly a lot of the other s 16 Republicans and their their wisdom and their understanding, especially the successful governors, to to make any real and significant change that's needed for the country to actually begin the process of recovering.
The country's in decline.
The country's in a rapid decline.
And unless there's dramatic change, it's it's gonna continue down that path.
So, you know, that's why the an election for Hillary, a vote for Hillary Hillary to me is just not an option.
Anyway, I appreciate your call.
I understand how you feel.
It is, you know, the amount of time, effort, attention the people have put into this race and the candidates that they love and support is impressive to me.
The fact that people went out informed and v and voted for the people they cared about in record numbers, that's impressive to me.
Because that tells me people are engaged at a pretty high level.
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