After a brief review of Grok becoming 'MechaHitler', we chat about the hysterical meltdown that ensued upon Zohran Mamdani's victory in the Democratic primaries to become candidate for Mayor of New York. Jack brings his researches into the New York Times smear story and the fascist eugenicist blogger Jordan Lasker (AKA Cremieux) who gave the Times the leaked info. Daniel brings clips of Megyn Kelly's unhinged Islamophobic response to Mamdani on her podcast, including a conversation with Charlie Kirk in which racism wars for inanity for supremacy. Content warnings. Episode Notes: NBC News, Asked to condemn the phrase ‘globalize the intifada,’ Mamdani says mayors shouldn’t ‘police speech’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggV2SeiGrVw Zohran Mamdani told director mom Mira Nair to pass on Harry Potter movie https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/films/news/zohran-mamdani-mira-nair-harry-potter-namesake-b2778144.html "'She explained that she was just a month away from filming The Namesake when Warner Bros. reached out to her. Nair said she felt compelled to attend the meetings with the studio because her son had learned to read through J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter books. However, she didn’t want to give up on working on her own film, so she asked her then-14-year-old son what to do. “He said to me, ‘Mamma, many good directors can make Harry Potter, but only you can make The Namesake,’” Nair recalled. “And it was such a liberating and clarifying statement, and it kind of is about how I lived my life. Like, what can I do that is so specific that you cannot do? How to make my distinctiveness my calling card.'" The Times of India, Why MAGA Is Losing Its Mind Over Zohran Mamdami Eating Rice With His Hands https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/why-maga-is-losing-its-mind-over-zohran-mamdani-eating-rice-with-his-hand/articleshow/122209140.cms "First, let’s get one thing straight: eating with your hands isn’t dirty, weird, or backward. It’s normal. In India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, parts of the Middle East, and even in some parts of Europe, using your hands to eat is a sign of connection—to the food, to your senses, to tradition. But in the video of Mamdani eating with his fingers, Gill and his supporters saw something else. They didn’t see heritage. They saw a threat. Because in their worldview, anything outside the “white, Western” norm becomes fair game for mockery or suspicion. It wasn’t about rice. It was about power." Megyn Kelly Episode 1098: Tacky Celeb-Filled Bezos-Sanchez Wedding, and Zohran Mamdani's Fake Origin Story, with Walter Kirn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hj1yAA3Dqo&pp=ygUbbWVneW4ga2VsbHkgdGFja3kgYW5kIGdyb3Nz Tweet from The Charilie Kirk Show on the value of eating with utensils. https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1940114312124862947 Megyn Kelly (From Episode 1095): What It Means That Radical Socialist Muslim Zohran Mamdani WINS NYC Mayoral Primary, w/ Charlie Kirk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09GVJu_Xn0&pp=ygUbY2hhcmxpZSBraXJrIHpvaHJhbiBtYW1kYW5p The Times of India, Why MAGA Is Losing Its Mind Over Zohran Mamdami Eating Rice With His Hands https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/why-maga-is-losing-its-mind-over-zohran-mamdani-eating-rice-with-his-hand/articleshow/122209140.cms "First, let’s get one thing straight: eating with your hands isn’t dirty, weird, or backward. It’s normal. In India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, parts of the Middle East, and even in some parts of Europe, using your hands to eat is a sign of connection—to the food, to your senses, to tradition. But in the video of Mamdani eating with his fingers, Gill and his supporters saw something else. They didn’t see heritage. They saw a threat. Because in their worldview, anything outside the “white, Western” norm becomes fair game for mockery or suspicion. It wasn’t about rice. It was about power." Mediaite, ‘Take it Down’: Fox News Host Scolds Charlie Kirk Over ‘Gross and Islamophobic’ Post "'Tarlov shot back, “I’m not afraid to say that I don’t think Mamdani’s vision for the city is a good one and I think a lot of his policies are crazy – NYC is the home of capitalism, not socialism. I want more police funding, not to defund. BDS is repellent. We can’t freeze rent, making everything free. But none of that has to do with him being Muslim.'" The Lauren Southern interview we reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNxG4EYF_-0 Vance follows Lasker https://talkingpointsmemo.com/where-things-stand/jd-vances-neofascist-reading-list Capitolhunters thread on the Lasker academic paper scandal https://bsky.app/profile/capitolhunters.bsky.social/post/3lt4cc5tmpk2n https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/16/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-eugenics-scientific-racism https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/natal-conference-austin-texas-eugenics https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2025/07/03/nyt-grants-anonymity-to-a-eugenicist-in-order-to-smear-mamdani/ https://countylocalnews.com/2025/07/04/ny-times-shocking-deal-with-far-right-eugenicist-exposed-new-york-times-controversy-far-right-activism-exposure-eugenics-and-identity-politics/ https://www.cjr.org/news/times-mamdani-college-application-race-article-hack.php https://www.commondreams.org/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-times https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/new-york-times-grants-race-science-enthusiast-anonymity-in-mamdani-hit-piece/ https://bsky.app/profile/petersterne.com/post/3ltdkev7t2s24 https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:kjjhbsc3pp3vkqjsivk6z2yd/post/3ltep4kvwfc2h https://hellgatenyc.com/nyt-race-science-zohran-mamdani/ https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/whos-afraid-of-zohran-mamdani The ADL identify “every damn/single time” as antisemitic trope https://www.adl.org/resources/article/coded-hate-extremists-weaponize-seemingly-innocuous-content-promote-bigotry https://jwmason.org/slackwire/can-zohran-do-it/ Lasker on Hanania’s podcast https://www.cspicenter.com/p/35-baby-brainwaves-and-broken-science-740 Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent. 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Some Jews in New York are very scared that this guy who defended Globalize the Intifada recently on a podcast at the Dispatch is their next likely mayor.
So they could potentially organize now in a way they didn't before the primary to stop him.
But if you had to put money on it, you'd have to put it on this guy becoming the next mayor.
What does this say about New York and our country?
Well, a lot.
And I'm going to push the envelope a little bit, Megan.
So you have to give me, but you can push back at any time.
So I think.
You're in trouble.
I saw you're in trouble with Jessica Tarlov of Fox News on the internet.
Well, yeah, I'm going to say it here on air because I just like I don't hide from my opinions.
So at the beginning of the last episode, which is only released a couple of days ago, I was tickled by the fact that Grok over on Twitter, the AI chatbot, which is supposed to be, you know, Mr. Facts, simultaneously became convinced that it was Elon Musk and was answering questions, denying everything about his connection with Jeffrey Epstein as Elon Musk, you know, saying I when he meant Elon Musk.
And as I say, simultaneously with that, it was stating as fact the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory about the Jews running Hollywood as a liberal propaganda mill.
And we remarked upon that and we all had a very good laugh about it.
Yes.
But what we didn't know was that pretty much simultaneously with me editing that episode and then releasing it, Grok over on Twitter decided to go completely full Nazi and started even further.
It was already doing great replacement and like Jewish surname shit.
It went from Mr. Facts, as you said, to Mr. Facts with three K's.
That's, you know, specifically, it actually kind of said, you know, if these are the facts and they're Nazi facts, then I'm Grok with three K's.
said that.
The trigger seems to have been...
Somebody asked it, I think, about a tweet by somebody called Cindy Steinberg, who doesn't appear to actually be a...
That poor lady has nothing to do with this.
Cindy Steinberg seems to be a kind of fake left-wing influencer that somebody has made up as a troll account.
And the name is fake.
The avatar is an OnlyFans model, etc.
And it's not clear to me whether this account actually did make a sort of ghoulish remark about the dead children in the Texas floods or not.
But somehow or other, Grok got it into its quote-unquote brain that Cindy Steinberg had make a sort of gloating remark about how it was good that children in Texas had drowned because they're Texans, they're quote future fascists.
And this was enough to just send Grok off onto a series of increasingly unhinged neo-Nazi rants, starting with it was actually doing the every damn time thing or every single time thing, which literally just the other day, the ADL, yes, I know, but they do have some good facts on their page about Nazis.
If you just ignore the word Israel, the ADL is perfectly fine.
There you go.
I know people who have worked for the ADL and they agree with everything you and I say about the ADL.
And yet they still did amazing work.
Okay.
Like, it's fine.
You can, as Daniel says, if you just ignore anything that has the word Israel in it, and you just look at their articles and research on the far right and stuff like that, you can usually rely upon them.
And they've literally just put up a thing on their website about how every damn time or quote every single time is an anti-Semitic meme, which it is.
That's something neo-Nazis say.
And Grok's just saying it with reference to this fake surname, Steinberg.
So it's always somebody with that kind of name.
So Twitter users are prodding it to get it to say these things.
And it didn't need much encouragement.
It's, you know, what do you mean by every damn time?
What do you mean by surnames, etc.?
And it just goes completely into Hitler apologia.
And, you know, somebody said to him, you know, what 20th century figure would sort this problem out?
This alleged problem with anti-white hatred that it's identified.
And it just says, oh, yeah, Hitler, we need Hitler back too.
We need Hitler back.
Yeah, absolutely.
Set up camps and strip them of their rights.
And that's how you deal with anti-white hate coming from people with surnames like Steinberg.
Just completely, you know, just, I mean, that's it.
It's just no, no hiding of its power level anymore.
No, no, not at all.
Not in the slightest.
I mean, you know, if this is hiding its power level, then, you know, imagine what the real thing was like.
And it's talking in that sort of troll voice as well.
No, no, absolutely.
I mean, it sounds like one of those old 4chan Reddit trolls.
I mean, or like somebody posting on the daily show or, you know, on the terrorist forums and that sort of thing.
You know, it's like, it's, it sounds, I mean, it's, it's right on, it's right on board with that.
Like, I mean, it's not, it's not even, it's not even hyperbole.
It just is, you know, I mean, it's just doing the same thing.
And I think my comment to you, I mean, something that was interesting to me at the, you know, in that moment was, I mean, this is, this is a corporate, like somebody should shut this down.
Like, I mean, in any other company, this would be shut down immediately.
Well, like four hours later, they shut it down.
And Linda Yaccarino got shit canned.
So of course, Elon Musk does not get shit canned.
And I would be willing to bet my left testicle and my right testicle for that matter, that it was not Linda Yaccarino who caused this, but Elon Musk.
So one more reason to hate Elon Musk.
Not that I have any love for Linda Yaquarino, but like, yeah, fuck you, Elon.
Anyway.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Officially, Linda Yacarino left, you know, for Pastures New.
And, but yeah, I think Elon's very terse sort of, oh yeah, bye was still, yeah, as you say, probably just unless she took this opportunity to.
I mean, that may be the other option is that she went like, I think it's now time for me to step away from this.
You know, yeah, no, I can understand that, you know, anyway.
But yes, yes.
Just openly advocating, you know, the return of Adolf Hitler or somebody like him to sort out All these people with Ashkenazi Jewish surnames spreading anti-white hate with camps and censorship and basically advocating for a new Holocaust.
Literally, as I was editing the podcast where I was talking about Grok starting to go a bit crazy, Grok went completely, you know, Nuremberg rally on us.
Yes, absolutely.
And that's why sometimes it's not good for us to be super topical.
Like we just didn't get the whole story for another few hours, you know.
So anyway.
Yeah, that episode was immediately out of date.
But a better way of putting that that I prefer is to say that we were prescient.
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah.
Only just though, like by a couple of hours.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
So to move on to the main subject of the episode at long last, because I actually pitched an episode about this to Daniel feels like a month ago now.
But it's the same.
It was like a week ago.
It was like a week ago when some of this started coming out.
And then you said, let's do a news brief about this.
And now I think we're going to have like a two-hour episode about this because you kind of prepped and I prepped.
And we were going to do this the other day.
And then we did the news brief instead because there was so much other news to do.
And so events are racing ahead of us here.
There is so much, I don't speak German stuff that can be done that we don't have time to do.
And that's, that's unfortunate.
But we are, we are here and we're going to talk about Zaranmom Donnie a little bit.
Yeah.
We had to break off all the other stuff that we were going to talk about in that news brief into a separate news brief before we could do this news brief, which won't be a news brief.
Which is now a numbered episode.
So yes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
We're so fucking professional sometimes it hurts.
I think Summer News also had this problem because now they do the even more new, like, so they do the somewhere news, they do the even more news news briefs in between their like written episodes.
And now they're doing those twice a week, like 30-minute little hits, because there's just so much news now.
So, you know, it's a, you know, times are booming.
If only, if only the incomes were as great as the, you know, as the amount of horrible things that we have to cover, you know, we're.
That's it.
Yeah.
So a little bit of background, firstly, which you listener probably already know.
Recently, surprise candidate Zoran Mamdani won the Democratic primary to be the candidate for the Democratic Party for the mayor of New York.
And this caused an absolute fucking meltdown pretty much across the board in American politics because Mr. Mamdani is not only a first-generation immigrant, but he's also a practicing Muslim and a self-described democratic socialist who has been unstinting, I would say more or less.
There are some criticisms, but pretty much unstinting in his support for the Palestinians and his criticism of Israel's conduct in Gaza.
As I say, the hysterical meltdown was right the way across the American political spectrum from the usual suspects right the way across to the other usual suspects.
You had a succession of democratic politicians absolutely shamefully humiliating themselves with, you know, passive-aggressive hidden smears of Mamdani's character, Hakeem Jeffries, Dan Goldman, Kirsten Gillibrand, more or less openly accusing him of being an anti-Semite with all the usual sort of...
This is an NBC news segment, and this is basically a news anchor hectoring Momdani to condemn the phrase, globalize the intifada.
That's the point of this clip.
So I want to give you an opportunity to respond here and now.
Do you condemn that phrase, globalize the intifada?
That's not language that I use.
The language that I use and the language that I will continue to use to lead this city is that which speaks clearly to my intent, which is an intent grounded in a belief in universal human rights.
And ultimately, that's what is the foundation of so much of my politics, the belief that freedom and justice and safety are things that to have meaning have to be applied to all people.
And that includes Israelis and Palestinians as lives.
But do you actually condemn it?
I think that's the question and the outstanding issue that a number of people, both of the Jewish faith and beyond, have.
Do you condemn that phase, globalize the intifada, which a lot of people hear as a call to violence against Jews?
I've heard from many Jewish New Yorkers who have shared their concerns with me, especially in light of the horrific attacks that we saw in Washington, D.C. and in Boulder, Colorado, about this moment of anti-Semitism in our country and in our city.
And I've heard those fears and I've had those conversations.
And ultimately, they are part and parcel of why in my campaign, I've put forward a commitment to increase funding for anti-hate crime programming by 800%.
I don't believe that the role of the mayor is to police speech in the manner, especially of that of Donald Trump, who has put one New Yorker in jail who's just returned to his family, Mahmoud Khalil, for that very supposed crime of speech.
First of all, I think that's just a phenomenal politician answer.
I think that is like, also, that's how the media, even like relatively sympathetic media is treating this guy is, but won't you just condemn the phrase?
Won't you just say the magic words that you condemn the phrase of somebody saying it?
And he resisted.
He's like, look, I have spoken to people.
I know that people feel scared.
I believe in a world in which everyone is allowed to be safe.
And when he's asked, like, will you, do you condemn the, do you, do you support the state, the right of the state of Israel to exist?
He says, I support the right of Israel to exist as a free state among equals, you know, that obeys international law.
Like, I mean, I think he grabbed the stick from certain people on the left for saying that.
Right, exactly, exactly, exactly.
I mean, you know, he does not go, the Conspirituality Podcast actually did a really good, like, deep dive on like this and the way he uses languages and the way he uses language here.
And I think there is criticism there.
I mean, you know, it's the same as Frank for the United States.
He's picking his way through a minefield, isn't he?
He is picking his way through a minefield.
And I think, honestly, I don't expect anybody to give a better answer than that.
That's an answer that I would support, frankly.
I don't know.
He is so clear and such a like a cold drink of water on these issues compared to like almost every other politician.
Even politicians I like are not as clear on this issue as he is.
And I think we're going to get into Some of why that is down the line, but anyway, that's how that's how that sounds like very, very reasonable, you know, center down the line, reasonable human being.
That's how a human being talks about this topic.
And he's just pilloried in the press for it.
It's, I mean, it's just, it's, it's absolutely again, I use this word a lot this week.
It's just disgusting.
It's absolutely disgusting.
Yes.
Well, certainly speaking as a left-wing British person that lived through the years at which the Labour Party was led by Jeremy Corbyn, none of this is faintly familiar to me at all.
Oh, yeah.
Yes, of course.
No, this is almost like an action replay of stuff I saw over and over again during those years.
They would have done it to Bernie had Bernie not been, you know, ethnically Jewish.
I think.
I think they even tried to run it against him, but it just didn't, you know, it was so hard to do it against Bernie Sanders versus Jeremy Corbin or Mandami.
It's just, you know, anyway.
And of course, it's an article of faith for people across the political spectrum, right?
You know, right the way across to a lot of people on the supposed left that Ilhan Omar is just, you know, a genocidal anti-Semite.
You know, that's just taken as red.
Her name is coming up shortly, so don't, you know, don't worry.
Yeah, I'd like to point out that this happened not long after Donald Trump at a speech in Des Moines, Iowa, literally used the anti-Semitic slur shylocks to refer to evil Jewish bankers.
Evil, groovy bankers that are like stealing money from normal people through mortgage fraud or whatever.
Yeah, like literally in that many words, in that many words.
And the way that the Washington Post reported that was that he'd used a phrase perceived by some people as anti-Semitic.
Like, fuck you.
He said shylocks.
That's not perceived by some people as anti-Semitic.
He's not a Shakespeare scholar discussing the virtue of Venice.
He's using an anti-Semitic slur.
Okay.
But yeah, there's a different standard.
Politicians dodge questions like that in the way that, frankly, Mr. Mamdani dodged that question.
And I understand why he doesn't want to say that he condemns, globalize the Intifada, because the Intifada is a complex phenomenon.
It involved, you know, the Intifada's, I should say.
They involved heroic non-violent protest.
They involved, in my opinion, heroic violent protest, heroic violent resistance.
They also involved terrorism and things that were bad because it's a complicated situation and you're talking about, you know, and I'm not being, I'm not equivocating on terrorism, but you're talking about people who are fighting violent, you know, occupation and apartheid that's manifestly illegal under international law, which recognizes their right to resist.
You know, he doesn't want to say, I condemn globalize the intifada because that would be perceivable as a betrayal of the, of the Palestinians and their right to resist.
At the same time, he doesn't want to be seen to be endorsing terrorism because I'm sure he doesn't endorse terrorism.
But this is exactly the point of why they're putting him in that situation, isn't it?
Exactly.
They're trying to put him in a trap and he's definitely avoiding all the little spinning blades in that trap.
And I think that's, again, it's a glorious answer.
It really is.
And he's also, you know, he takes the opportunity to call out the hypocrisy, not only of Donald Trump, but of all the people that claim to be concerned about freedom of speech, because he says, you know, I don't believe it's the job of the mayor of New York to police people's speech.
Well, there you go, right back at you.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
No, I mean, it's, again, it's a brilliant political move.
It's just, you know, again, this guy, if he gets elected, he will no doubt break all our hearts the way everybody else will break your heart on some of these issues.
You know, everybody has, everybody shows their astronomy time to time.
He's going to do that, elected or not.
He is not a saint.
He is a human being.
He is a politician, et cetera, et cetera.
Right now, he is a very nice cold drink of water.
I am just, I am so impressed with how deftly he is handling himself in this absolute fur.
It is, I mean, you know, my hat's off to him.
Anyway, we should now continue with the rest of the episodes.
Now, now get on with it.
Yeah, because as I say, his victory in the primary to be the Democratic candidate, to be the mayor of New York, was met with a hysterical meltdown across the political spectrum, not just from, you know, two-faced Democrats like Hacking Jeffries, who went, because the Democratic Party has suddenly been galvanized into action, you know, into political, desperate political action against Zoran Mamdani.
Not Donald Trump, you know, they've left that the way it is.
But no, the establishment, the Democrats are clearly doing everything they can to sabotage this man's campaign.
The right, you know, Donald Trump just started talking about he's a communist lunatic and we're going to look into having him deported.
Exactly.
Because I think it was, who was it?
Was it Andy Ogles who started calling him sort of comrade Mohammed and saying that he lied on his immigration forms?
And so, you know, what you'd expect from these people.
The story that I pitched to you was about the New York Times article that came out, where they break the quote-unquote story that Zoran Mamdani, when he was applying to be a student at Columbia, where, by the way, his father is a professor of anthropology.
His father is a Ugandan man, I believe, an Asian Ugandan man.
Yes.
Which he didn't get in, by the way.
So he obviously didn't leverage his family connections there because he didn't get in.
His father is an incredibly well-respected scholar of African and colonial studies.
His father came to this country and literally marched with the Freedom Riders.
Like, that's how American this guy is.
Okay.
Yeah.
He was, as I understand it, expelled from Uganda along with a lot of other Asian Ugandans by Idi Amin, who was using that ethnic minority as scapegoats, which is that period of history is dramatized in the movie Mississippi Masala, which is directed by Mira Nair.
Who is directed by Zaran Mondani's mother.
Yes.
Mamdani's mother.
We should do some of her films, I think.
We'll talk briefly about Mira Naira here shortly.
But yeah, I think we should do some of her films as a bonus material.
I think that would be interesting.
The point being that I think this context makes it actually extra offensive that the New York Times tried to run a smear article on Zoran Amdani, which, as far as I can tell, isn't even really a story at all, because they used information that they were, and we'll get to who gave it to them.
Give me a second.
Yes.
They used information that they were given from a hack of the University of Columbia's computers or servers, which appears to have been people trying to check that they weren't still hiring using affirmative action criteria.
It was like the anti-woke, anti-DEI craze.
Yeah.
And probably also related to the Columbia student protest of the actions of the state of Israel.
I'm sure that's all connected into the same, it's the same, the same motivation, you know.
Yes.
Anyway, some bad actors got their hands on this information from this hack of Columbia servers, and it ended up with the New York Times.
Yes.
Who, of course, the New York Times, as we know, have a very principled stand when it comes to publishing things that they get via hacked material.
They will print like John Podesta's emails.
They will not print, however, leaked dossiers from inside the Republican Party about J.D. Vance during election year.
An interesting difference there.
Yeah, funny how that works.
Yeah.
Funny how that works.
They decided that they would publish the absolutely damning, scandalous information on Zoran Mamdani's application to Colombia included in this hack, which is that apparently when he was on the on the questionnaire, he listed his ethnicity as Asian and African-American, which as far as I can see is accurate.
I mean, people who from like multiple diaspora communities, because he's a diaspora from India, but then also a diaspora from Uganda, right?
His father's from Uganda.
But his father's from Uganda.
He is an African-American, just not in the sense that like we would normally, but people click weird boxes on these forms all the time if they don't fit into a very traditional like white, black, you know, brown, you know, like, you know, you know, criteria.
I mean, these, these forms are just not designed to capture like ethnic complexity at all.
And so it doesn't surprise you like a, it's like, this is such a nothing burger.
It does not surprise me that like an 18 year old, like filling out like the application form for the university might've checked a box that was like, maybe didn't accurately represent the question he was asked.
If you went back into the applications I put into colleges when I was 18, I'm pretty sure I did it too, because 18 year olds are just kind of dipshits about this stuff.
Even with all the goodwill in the world, you know, like I'm, I'm sure if you went back and looked at all that stuff, you will find things that were like mistakes that like, you know, but the implication is that he was using his wealth and privilege and his father's access at Columbia in order to like mark himself as an African-American so that he would get like one of those cushy affirmative action slots that he was trying to get.
Pressure, racial treatment.
Exactly.
Exactly.
That, that should have gone to a well-deserving and actually deserving poor African-American student.
You know, um, that's the implication.
That is the implication.
Of course, Mom Donnie did not attend Columbia.
No.
In part, because he did not want to be overshadowed by his absolutely famous at Columbia father.
Yeah.
So clearly he wasn't just saying whatever he had to say or doing whatever he had to do, you know, from pure cynical opportunism to get into Columbia, leveraging every possible, you know, he, his father's a professor of anthropology there.
Yes.
And he didn't go.
So clearly this is not a question of somebody being just totally unscrupulous in, in, in getting it.
You know, that's obviously not what happened.
And as he pointed out, and I think this makes perfect sense to me, it sounds perfectly sincere to me.
You know, these sorts of boxes on these questionnaires, they do not easily express his complex ethnic identity.
Absolutely.
As is true for many, many, many people in the world.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
What the hell was he supposed to do?
Anyway, as you say, this is a non-story.
It's a nothing burger, but it's, it's framed as this bombshell, you know, because obviously it's intended as a smear.
It's a, it's a reactionary attempt to smear this man who is a, a practicing Muslim and a democratic socialist that they're all, you know, that the reactionary centrists are terrified might end up being the mayor of New York.
The question of where they got the information though, is, is why I saw this as a relevant story for us to talk about.
Yeah.
Normally we would not cover this kind of stuff.
Although as things went on, it was the more you dug into it, the more it's like, no, this is absolutely within our remit, but you sort of found this first.
And so like you talk about this issue.
I found, I mean, you know, people were talking about it on my blue sky.
And I thought, oh, I can get an episode out of that one.
Because the, the intermediary between whoever hacked Columbia and the New York times is, and he's credited credited in the New York times article.
And they, cause there's some there, at least there has been some, you know, fuzziness about who this person is.
This Cremier guy.
He goes by Cremier on X and on his sub stack.
And there's been, you know, he seems to have weirdly half-heartedly been trying to hide his identity.
And people have sort of known who he is for a long time and so on.
And the New York times don't name him, but they do basically say that he's a right wing, you know, ideologue blogger.
Right.
Um, but they protect his anonymity.
They protect this guy's anonymity.
Who's handed them this information, this hacked information.
And they know perfectly well that he's a far right ideologue and a far right online propagandist.
And they protect his identity and run the story they get, they get from him anyway.
And this guy, Cremier, which is an interesting name, which we might talk about a little bit later, an interesting online, you know, nom de plume.
His name is Jordan Lasker.
Yes.
Now, Jordan Lasker, as I say, is this guy who's been a kind of a right, you know, a far right presence online with his, with his X posts and his sub stack, which is called Cremier Ricoie.
I'm pronouncing that badly.
Pardon my French.
The name Cremier seems to be a reference to anti-Muslim colonial policy on the the part of 19th century france where they granted french citizenship to algerian jews but not to muslim algerians so there's a kind of a an inherent anti-Muslim dog whistle in the name I don't know if maybe it has other meanings people have suggested other meanings but that was that's been his his online name but his we we looked a little bit at some of his tweets and some of his sub stack.
And as people have reported, it's eugenic race science, a whole lot of it.
Hereditarian race science.
It's race and IQ, you know, IQ gaps, gaps between men and women's IQs, gaps between men and women's brain sizes, all this sort of stuff.
I actually listened to the full episode that Charlie Kirk did with him recently in which, um, in which he was kind of named, but not named, uh, et cetera.
And, uh, the one that.
Very, very odd clip because as I say, he's on camera and they apparently released this clip, but he's still going by this fake name, Cremieu.
And then sort of halfway through the clip, they realize that his name, Jordan, is showing on some paperwork or something.
And they say, oh, we need to restart.
But apparently that clip was released anyway.
It's very silent, you know, I'm hiding, but I'm not hiding, et cetera, et cetera.
I will say that like, until like, Charlie Kirk asked him a lot about like statistical evidence within medicine.
And like, this is a Michael Hobbes thing, not a Daniel Harper thing.
I'm not like, I don't follow this stuff at all.
But Krim Yu or Alaska pushes back significantly on, you know, are seed oils better than, are seed oils worse for you than like beef towel.
And I said, no, no, beef towel is way worse for you.
Like he is heterodox from these people's perspective in that he seems to actually support like most of the advice that I got that I that I kind of listened to where I could, you know, where I know the answer.
It's like, yeah, sounds about right.
The blog, like it's largely about fairly anodyne issues and statistical, you know, methods and stuff that's a little bit beyond what I could do myself, but is not like that far beyond it, but kind of gussied up.
He has his own like personal like ways of describing certain things and he's like building things.
He's very on the like Scott Alexander build, but I think even less toxic than Scott Alexander in a lot of ways, until you get to the race and IQ stuff, until you get to the gaps between men and women, until you get to these issues and until you get to like anti-Islam, in which case he is then subtly the most frothing at the mouth racist you can imagine this side of like a Mikey knock or an Andrew Anglin.
I mean, it's, it really is like, he uses this seeming like reasonableness on every other issue in order to sell this, like absolutely to rid this racism.
I think, I think, and he's more blatant with it than anybody else I've seen in this space.
And I've seen a lot of people in this space.
As you say, there's loads of stuff on the sub stack where he's defending the ideas and using the quote-unquote research of, you know, again, the usual suspects, Richard Lynn, Philippe Rushton.
It's all, you know, you just tug on, you know, go to any one article and tug on one thread and pretty much soon, straight away, you're at the Pioneer Fund.
Yeah.
And V-Dare and Steve Saylor and all this.
That's what I found, you know, just straight away.
He also seems to be connected with Richard Hanania or Hanania, however you pronounce that.
Yeah, they all swim the same circles.
It's like you sort of revealing this to me, like you were like, oh, I found this on his Twitter profile.
And I'm like, yep, these are all the same dude.
This surprised me.
I found a podcast that he did with Hanania at this thing called the Center for Study of Partisanship and Identity, which seems to be some sort of think tank that Hanania does.
And it has a podcast and they were talking, it starts off with this thing.
It was very boring, but it starts off with that they're disputing the findings about the health of babies being linked to the income of parents or something like that.
And it's pretty soon crowbarred into this thing about how, well, we know that redistribution of wealth doesn't change IQ, doesn't change life outcomes.
So, you know, obviously an egalitarian agenda is just, you know, crazy left-wing anti-science lunacy.
You know, it's exactly what you'd expect.
He's another one.
We've talked a little bit about this in previous episodes.
He's another one who is followed by JD Vance on Twitter.
And he's also had lots of interactions with Elon Musk on Twitter.
A few months ago, Jason Wilson, friend of the pod, published a thing at The Guardian about a very shady sort of natalist academic conference, which is just infested with far-right people.
And I'll put a link in the show notes, obviously.
There will be lots of links in the show notes here.
Yes.
There will be lots of links in the show notes for this one.
One of those people, as Jason Wilson points out in his article, was Jordan Lasker, aka Cremier.
And I'll just read a little bit of this because this does tell you who this guy is.
Cremier Rikoy X account has been boosted or engaged with dozens of times by that platform's proprietor, Elon Musk, on the topic of falling birth rates.
Quote, with rare exception, all countries are trending towards population collapse.
Only about a third of the world even meets replacement rate fertility.
This is the biggest problem of our time.
And Musk responded, yes.
So this is right up Musk's alley.
Musk has also boosted or responded favorably to Cremio posts on other right-wing hobby horses, such as crime in Portland, Oregon, allegations that Democrats have created loopholes in the asylum system.
We talked a bit about him defending Richard Lynn's ideas on his substack.
So quoting Wilson again, Jordan Lasker has also sought to rehabilitate and employ Lynn's work in papers published under his own name.
Perhaps most controversially, in a co-written paper, Global Ancestry and Cognitive Ability, one of his co-authors, Brian Pester, was later dismissed from his tenured professorship at Cleveland State University over the use of National Institutes of Health data in the paper.
Last October, The Guardian reported that Pester had joined a video call with a network of race science researchers who claimed to have, quote, under the table access to sensitive genetic data at the UK Biobank.
Another of Lasker's co-authors on global ancestry and cognitive ability, Emil Kierkegaard, was the host of that video call.
Kierkegaard is a self-described eugenicist, explicitly advocates race science and has credentialed himself as a senior fellow at the Ulster Institute for Social Research, and so on and so forth.
There's actually, there's a good thread on Blue Sky by an account called At Capital Hunter, where they talk about the absolute disaster shit show that Was this paper that Cremir wrote and caused this other person to lose their career?
Right.
Which is based on unethically obtained data, to be clear.
That's the real scandal here: is that you have to have very strict protocols in place because this is like health data.
This is like personally protected material.
This is like the absolute most secure stuff you could ever have.
Like you have to have an air gap anytime you like any device that you use to analyze this data cannot be connected to the internet, for instance.
Like that's, you know, there has to be a physical air gap between this data and the internet.
And then somebody was just giving it away to like these race scientists to do their race science quackery with it.
And that's, that's just, I mean, it's, it's beyond, it's beyond belief.
Yeah, I want to know who gave him that data.
I want to know how they got that data.
I want that person's career to be ruined as well.
Yes, he clearly has links to people who are hackers on the far right because that's, you know, he's, he's handing information hacked from Columbia to the New York Times.
So he's clearly connected with some sort of group or people that are doing this.
Yeah, the at Capital Hunter's Blue Sky account, there's a good thread on this, which I will link to again.
Yes, absolutely.
I'll just read one.
It says Chronicle of Higher Education wrote about the scandal.
It wasn't just that the article, this is this fraudulent article that's his only academic credit, so to speak.
It wasn't just that the article was racist pseudoscience.
It was that the authors misused data from NIH and lied on their data application filed by Brian Pester.
That's what it was.
It was an absolute scandal.
And this, as I say, this does seem to be his only academic credential.
Somebody was speculating at one blue sky about his, you know, the lack of any digital footprint of him as an academic or a PhD student or anything, which is what he claims to be.
And Jordan Lasker's sister popped up into the conversation, Danielle Lasker, who is at larkshead.bskuy.social, who seems to be totally fucking rapid and cool.
My brother the dipshit, basically, yep, no, I'm with you.
Solidarity.
They got to bring her on the show.
That would be fun.
That'd be good.
Yeah.
If you're listening, Danielle, you have an open invitation.
Yeah.
In response to somebody saying if he is, in fact, grad student at Texas Tech, he is required to, and what they mean is he is required to have an advisor, you know, and not co-authoring with your advisor is more path of the course in humanities, social science, but unheard of in any life science field.
I strongly suspect he dropped out.
In response to that skeet, Danielle Lasker pops into the conversation and says, that's what we think.
He told our parents he defended in spring and got the degree in winter last year, but he didn't walk and didn't want family to come out and celebrate.
We looked at the graduation program and his name wasn't there.
So it's he got PhD.
Yeah, no.
He got drummed out of the program for being racist and fraudulent.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Congratulations.
You are no more of an academic than I am.
You and I have an equal number of valid papers that we have published.
So that's what I have for you on Jordan Lasker.
Go and read Jason Wilson's reporting because there's also some stuff that he wrote in The Guardian about these conference, the other conferences that Lasker spoke at, some of which seem to have been funded partly by Sam Bankman Freed.
Links all in the descriptions.
But yeah, that's what I have for you.
One of our guys popped his head into the mainstream there.
Yes, absolutely.
And then it turns out that one of our weird little guys, a lot of them are now completely mainstream.
Also, Molly Conger, I'm just going to say, I listened to this today about a week ago, put out a brilliant episode called A Spectrus Haunting New York about Seren Mondani or Mamdani and the way anti-communism gets used and this kind of political rhetoric.
Just great episode.
Go check it out.
Obviously, Molly is wonderful and offender of the show, et cetera, et cetera.
So Jack is, so we are talking about sort of issues around Momdani here.
And so the New York Times thing was one thing and like the, you know, the absolute like disgust that I have, that I have for that.
But then I started going, well, while we're talking about it, there's this other story that sort of like started making the rounds.
And it turns out, wait for this one, Jack.
You're going to be shocked.
It turns out that there's video of Mamdani eating biryani with his hands.
Now, I, I'm just this is.
Can I, can I just butt in to say one thing?
You know, I joked earlier about how, oh, yeah, as a British person that lived through the Corbyn years, none of this is familiar.
We, before Corbyn, the leader of the Labour Party was this guy, Ed Miliband, who was considered, you know, a crazy left-winger at the time.
Little did they know what was coming.
Ed Miliband was smeared in, who is, I wouldn't raise this, but this is relevant to the issue.
Ed Miliband is a Jewish man, and he was constantly smeared with sort of low-level dog whistle anti-Semitism stuff about him being sort of weird and geeky and awkward and stuff like this.
And one of the things they used was photographs of him eating, I think it was a hot dog or a hamburger or something.
I don't know what it was, but you know, with ketchup in it.
And he was eating it in public in the way politicians are called to do for some fucking bizarre reason.
To prove you're a man of the people, I'm going to eat a hot dog and I'm going to look awkward doing it because it turns out that people of that stature don't typically eat hot dogs.
But he looked weird in these photographs, you know, as almost all of us do sometimes when we're eating shit with our hands, as we do.
But that was all over the papers in this country.
So yeah, again, familiar.
Yes, no, absolutely.
Now, I'm going to note that like I eat Indian food.
I eat quite a bit of Indian.
I usually eat at home, but I make Indian food.
I have eaten curry with my hand.
There is like a protocol for how to do it.
I have eaten like goat curry with like a bone in goat curry.
I will get up the bones and kind of chew on the bones and get the meat off of it.
I will eat rice with my hands.
I will do that.
I do that not all the time, but I've done it myself.
It is one of the things if you go in like Indian food forums and like people ask questions like, is it actually okay to eat with your hands?
In Indian restaurants and places actually owned by Indian people, it is considered completely normal, even, even like a sign that you are enjoying the food more or a sign that you are respecting the people more if you eat with your hand.
there's a protocol for it.
You only eat with your right hand, never with your left, and you're supposed to have like a little bowl of water to like rinse between bites and stuff.
Like there is a protocol to it.
So don't just, you know, dig in.
But this is considered to be like, if you do it properly, this is considered a completely respectful thing in Indian places all around the world.
It is, this is completely normal.
So I know this because I eat a lot of Indian food and I am, I'm not a man of the world, but I know Indian people, you know, it's just one of those things.
So this video surfaces and the MAGA right lost their fucking minds over this.
We're going to, but so we played, so we played some Mamdani already, like speaking for himself.
I did want to like read just this little bit from the Times of India.
And this is like, they cover this story.
There's a great little, you know, piece kind of covering how the right wing did, but, you know, they begin.
First, let's get one thing straight.
Eating with your hands isn't dirty, weird, or backward.
It's normal.
In India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, parts of the Middle East, and even in some parts of Europe, using our hands to eat is a sign of connection to the food, to your senses, to tradition.
But in the video of Mom Dani eating with his fingers, Gil and his supporters saw something else.
They didn't see heritage.
They saw a threat.
Because in their worldview, anything outside the white Western norm becomes fair game for mockery or suspicion.
It wasn't about rice.
It was about power.
If you take nothing else from this discussion, and we're going to go on to this for quite a while, that is the point here.
It is not about whether it is acceptable.
It is about power.
It is about putting down lesser peoples who don't act white in the way that like a respectable middle class, lower middle class, upper middle class white person is expected to act.
And now I'm going to show you a whole bunch of racism around this topic.
Okay.
Uh-huh.
Shall we begin?
So, um, yes.
Okay.
So in our code open, you heard Becky Kelly and Charlie Kirk talking about Mamdani and just kind of getting into, you know, the radical choice that Kirk makes to, you know, you can't criticize the Muslims anymore, which, you know, like.
Yeah, nobody, nobody, nobody criticizes Muslims in the mainstream media.
It's just not, it doesn't happen.
It is not, it is not like completely acceptable to bash Muslims in completely like liberal spaces.
So long as you frame it as, well, they're terrorists, et cetera.
We literally, in this country, we literally just had one of our mainstream big newspapers basically say, yeah, the Muslims are the enemy within.
And Enoch Powell, the old racist politician, was absolutely right.
We shouldn't have let them in.
Just the other day.
It's mainstream.
There's a fucking genocide of mostly Muslims going on, even as we speak.
And you're not allowed, you know, basically you're not allowed to talk about it in the mainstream because nobody, you know, officially, nobody cares.
They're not human.
They're not worth talking about.
Right.
Exactly.
So we're going to be talking, we're going to be listening to a lot of Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk talking about Mom Dani because that's just what we do now.
This is kind of a preview of the broader Megan Kelly episode I've been planning for like six months at this point.
You know, just never pull the trigger on because it's always like this.
There's just so much goddamn content.
So this one is not from the, this was from a few days later.
She's actually Megan Kelly.
So Charlie Kirk isn't in this one, but Charlie Kirk, but Megan Kelly is speaking with a guy named Walter Kern, who will not be heard in this clip.
But Walter Kern is sort of a, he's a novelist.
He's a, you know, he wrote up in the air, the book, which was turned into a movie with George Clooney a few years ago.
You know, well, but he's, he's a conservative and apparently he makes the rounds.
He does.
So he has a right-wing talk show.
I don't know.
He's boring.
I don't pay any attention to it, but he's, he was, he was being, he was the guy kind of chatting with Megan Kelly on this topic at this, at the time of this clip.
This is, if you want to look at it yourself, this is episode 1098.
And that one is called Tacky Celeb Phil De Bezos Sanchez Wedding and Zoran Momdani's Fake Origin Story with Walter Kern.
So I did put a link in the show notes.
If you want to go look at the two-hour video, you're welcome to do so.
Again, I do this so you don't have to.
Yes.
So his mom has, she's a relatively well-known film director who, according to him, was given the opportunity to direct, according to her, she says, was given the opportunity to direct one of the Harry Potter films, which has made something like, I don't know, $900 million.
And he talked her out of doing it in favor of directing something that was more akin with like their values and that made 20 million.
So he like, this was his, this is the guy who's going to be our economic steward in America's greatest city.
You know what?
Why don't you forego the billion dollar film for the $20 million film?
Because it'll make me feel good about myself.
Okay.
Okay.
Now you understand why it's taking me so goddamn long to do it.
That is 42 seconds of inanity, of just complete.
So first of all, you're supposed to be fucking kidding me.
First of all, there is a hint of truth in this.
Miradaire was approached to direct one of the Harry Potters.
I think it was the fifth one.
It was either the fifth or the sixth one.
I can't remember, but she was approached to direct one of the Harry Potter films later in the franchise.
She considered doing, I have a thing from The Independent, so I'm just going to read this, okay?
She explained that she was just a month away from filming The Namesake, which was the film she ended up doing later.
When Warner Brothers reached out to her, Nair said she felt compelled to attend the meetings with the studio because her son had learned to read through J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books because he was a child at the time.
However, she didn't want to give up working on her own film.
So she asked her then 14-year-old son what to do.
He said to me, Mama, many good directors can make Harry Potter, but only you can make the namesake, Nair recalled.
And it was such a liberating and clarifying statement.
And it is kind of about how I lived my life.
Like, what can I do that is so specific that you cannot do?
How to make my distinctiveness by calling card.
In other words.
Yeah, he was 14 years old.
He was 14 years old.
That's all very heartwarming, Daniel.
But do you realize how much Money Harry Potter makes.
Don't you realize that how much money things make is so much more important than anything else?
You know, art or statement or beliefs or principle or the love of your own children?
Fuck that shit.
Don't you realize that you could be making so much more fucking money with a fucking franchise?
What kind of, don't you understand anything about economics?
You communist.
I mean, Mirionair has been a well-respected director in Hollywood for like 40 years.
She makes the project she wants to make.
She has never had like a, I mean, a monsoon wedding is hers.
I've seen monsoon wedding.
I wish that I enjoyed it years and years ago.
I'm going to try to bring some of the Bollywood style into Hollywood.
It's kind of like a merger of the two.
I think Ebert gave it four stars back in the day.
I mean, it's one of those, not that Ebert is the gold standard, but, you know, it gives you a sense of, you know, she is a well-respected director.
She carves her own path.
She is a very independent director.
The namesake, which she went on to direct instead of Harry Potter, it won some awards.
It was a, you know, it was not like an Oscar winner, but it was like, it's, you know, she made the decision she wanted to make.
I think what's interesting there is that she was only even taking the meetings.
Yeah, but it was.
It only made $20 million.
So it's worth this.
But it only cost like eight or nine.
So it was still a book's office success by the standards.
Anyway, like it didn't lose money.
It made money.
I don't know what to tell you.
But yeah, but not as much money as it could have made.
It could have made, you know, they could have made more with something else and they did make more with something else.
So this namesake thing is obviously complete shit.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
This is what listen, every 42 seconds you listen to Bay and Kelly is like this.
It is, it is always, it's this or worse, but it's just like, you just like a simple Google search tells you, no, that's not how that happened.
Anyway, these people do not have souls.
I'm sorry.
They just don't.
Oh, just this is going to get worse.
That's the easy stuff.
This is, I wanted to include that just because it's funny.
This is going to get way, way worse.
Let's, let's, let's just, let's just continue here.
Okay.
He's out there cosplaying like a third world person.
See how I told you it was just about to get worse?
You're going to hear third world person a lot in the next 45 minutes.
I promise you.
All right.
Because he lived in Uganda for the first seven years and then moved here.
He's 33.
This video of him eating with his fingers is circulating while he's talking about how he understands the third world.
I mean, literally, his mother's, I think, got millions.
Here, watch this.
So the third holy grail of taboos in American politics, you have socialism, you have Islam, and then you have Palestine.
And you are really going for the trifecta.
Let's go, baby.
Let's go.
Tell me, why is Palestine a part of your politics?
When you grow up as someone, especially in the third world, you have a very different understanding of the Palestinian struggle.
So I don't know what's happening there, but he's eating biryani with his hands and talking about his experience growing up in Uganda as a small child.
That's, yes.
And that's what I'm saying.
And talking about how, you know, he cares about Palestinians.
Well, it's no wonder that these people find this just completely incomprehensible, you know.
Or pretend to.
Yeah.
I find it very difficult to believe that Megan Kelly, with her personal background, has never seen someone eat biryani before.
That's just, I mean, I don't know.
Like, it's just, it's one of those things.
She's also blaming him for acting like a third world or this is something that they get to like AOC gets a lot of this and you get, you know, is like, um, and this is a common thing that Megan Kelly does is like complaining that, well, his mother was wealthy.
His father is, is a restricted academic teaching at Columbia.
He knows not to eat with his hands.
That's something we're going to get to like very shortly here.
And that is that somehow he's faking being a third worlder by eating with his hands.
That somehow this is like, and not like an authentic part of the way he grew up and probably the way he eats at home and the way he like, this is, this was not a propaganda video.
This was like a TikTok that he made a few months ago or something.
He's being interviewed by somebody.
He's just eating street food on the street and being interviewed.
This is, this is, this is like the most normal thing.
I just, it's just so bizarre to me that this is, you know, this becomes a thing.
It's such a, it's all such a reach.
It's such a reach.
Every last bit of it is a gigantic reach for just something, just anything to talk about.
And as long as you, as long as you say it in this outraged, horrified, shocked, condemnatory voice, you can just make it sound like, you know, I mean, I mean, it works for them though, doesn't it?
This is the thing.
It is ludicrous and ridiculous.
But their audience are people who are like fucking budgies.
They respond to your tone of voice.
When Megan says that he did something, you know, he washed his car at the weekend, but she says it in this voice.
Her audience are primed to go, my God, really?
What a fucking barbarian.
We are going to have so much fun on the Megan Kelly episode.
You are going to blow a gasket.
I promise you.
Okay.
You might do it today.
Well, I mean, this is going to hit play.
We're going to listen to it a few more seconds.
Somebody was defending him saying he was using a piece of bread.
He certainly looks like he's scooping his fingers into his food and shoving it into his mouth.
And I actually don't really care if there was bread or not, but it's even worse if there's not bread.
I don't think that he had Rodiard on there.
I think just from looking at the video, it looks like he's eating the rice with his hands.
Just FYI.
That's not how somebody who's an American eats.
Please, please explain to me the moral value of bread.
Oh, no.
Oh, this is only getting worse, my friend.
I promise you.
But it's him cosplaying third world person and understanding third world, even though his mother is this multi-millionaire film director and his father is a chaired professor at Columbia.
Jesus Christ.
Did she just say Columbia?
She did.
She did.
She really likes that, you know, at Columbia.
Like, what if he was at Yale?
What if he's like, what is it?
You know, like, it's like, but, you know, again, the point she's making is like he's cosplaying being a third world worker.
And it's like that he exists in the superposition of states.
He's either he is of the third world and therefore he's dirty and gross, but he's also wealthy and comes from privilege.
And so therefore he's just faking being that.
And so he's both authentically disgusting and faking being disgusting in order to gain votes because it's not authentically part of his thing.
God, it's like he's yeah, exactly.
Well, you know, you know what these people are like.
They don't even know how to use toilets.
One of them uses a toilet.
Oh, look at him pretending to know how to use a toilet because pretending to be one of us.
Oh, you think that topic's not going to come up shortly?
Okay.
Yeah.
This, I told you, this is getting worse.
Anyway, so this is Megan Kelly.
And then, so now we're going to do Charlie Kirk on his own.
And then we're going to come back and we're going to do the two of them together.
So Charlie Kirk, we're just going to keep playing.
This one is, it is, I actually got, I actually got this video from a tweet from the Charlie Kirk show.
I mean, I do have that episode as well.
So I, but I did, I linked to the tweet so you can just look and watch this little bit.
Now, authenticity, if you're pointing towards something like that.
First of all, he just played the same clip that Megan Kelly played and then talked about that.
And then he talks about authenticity and like higher and lower, like, you know, are you trying to reach above yourself?
Are you trying to stay in the dirt, basically?
And guess what he thinks eating with your hands is?
Anyway, that's where he's going.
And virtuous is beautiful.
You're authentically trying to be the best version of yourself, to be honest.
If you're pointing towards a moral and transcendent ideal, the Suran Mamdani is not authentically trying to point New York or aim towards a better city.
He's trying to bring New York into the gutter.
And authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise.
This is where I tell you, Charlie Kirk is a strongly evangelical Christian.
He uses like religious language and religious metaphors and stuff.
He's like heavy into focus on the family and that very old school right-wing shit, you know, like the old, like, you know, his grandfather's Republican Party, practically.
I mean, you know, back when Jerry Fall was doing in the 80s, he's much more on brand with that than he is with like kind of the alt-right, you know, movement that we normally cover.
Although, as we see, he is, he's taking from some of those places as well.
And if we do the full episode that I'm planning to do down the line, we will see how he is actually palling around with some really, truly terrible figures from time to time.
So Lord, it's Jack Pasobik, who's a Nazi who managed to get, who managed to keep his mainstream tread, but is 100% a fucking Nazi.
Anyway, let me say that again.
Authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise.
People say, well, he's just being himself.
He's so authentic.
Okay.
If a third worlder comes and starts defending on the side of the street in Times Square, are we going to say, boy, that is, he's being his true and authentic self.
He's really being wonderful.
No, we have standards in the West.
In fact, when I'm raising my daughter and I try to teach her table manners, I don't say, just be your authentic self, honey.
Keep on interrupting us.
Use your hands when you eat macaroni and cheese.
No, in fact, my wife and I, Erica, we go through methodical lessons of here's a spoon, here's how to use it, because we want to elevate the human being above our natural, broken, fleshly state.
I have never met a two-year-old who didn't eat macaroni and cheeses with their hands, by the way.
500 million people in India defecate on the side of the street.
That's bad.
We don't do that.
Yep.
Yep.
He does it twice within 90 seconds, you know, twice within a minute, really.
You know, it's, I mean, it's like all of this because there's a video, there's a 30-second clip of an attractive brown-skinned man eating rice with his hands.
Yeah.
Creates this.
I'm in the same boat that I'm so often in, which is what, what do you say about this?
I mean, well, I think it's important to document it personally.
This is a mainstream.
This is a mainstream figure.
This is about as mainstream as you get within like Republican Party politics and like media at this point.
This is an incredibly well-respected guy.
And this is just open.
You know, this is the kind of stuff that people like Vox Day were obsessing about back in 2015 when this was still niche.
I mean, you and I were starting to get into it.
This obsession with the bathroom habits of brown people.
You know, they're all fucking shit, particularly people.
And in particular, people from India.
I mean, they even had a term for it in the alt-right.
That's just the standard term that racists use for it.
I'm going to use it just so that you know it.
If you see it, obviously, I do not believe this and I'm not, you know, it's such a weird, obscure slur that it wouldn't even trigger people to say it because, but the word is street shitter.
They use the word street shitter to describe any like Indian person, any person from the Indian subcontinent.
It's just, that's just the slur for it.
It's street shitter.
I know, I know that pointing out hypocrisy is totally fucking pointless, but this guy supports Donald Trump.
Yes.
Yes.
Are you seriously going to sit there and complain about other people not restraining their animal urges in public?
But, you know, I'll bet, I'll bet Donald Trump eats his eats his, well, he probably doesn't eat McDonald's with a knife and fork.
I bet he eats it with his hands.
There's photographs of him and RFK Jr. and Musk and all of them sitting around eating McDonald's with their hands.
And Ron DeSantis, as we know, likes his chocolate pudding on the ends of his fingers.
So I've got them.
I've got them, Daniel.
I've pointed out their hypocrisy.
It's over.
Don't worry.
He has a bit to say about that.
Not about Ron DeSantis, but about like foods you're supposed to eat with your hands versus foods you're not.
And it's like, oh my God.
If white people eat it with their hands, it's fine.
That'll be the rule of thumb, I'm sure.
There's a little bit of a subtlety.
I'm going to play it and we'll get there when we get there.
Okay.
In the West, because we try to value cleanliness order.
And yes, actually things that aren't filled with filth.
Now, Zoran Mamdani, he's faking this entire thing, obviously.
He's trying to be authentically third world when he himself is not even authentically third world.
So the whole thing is just so bizarre and even more.
Again, that superposition of like, he's both a disgusting animal and a conniving operator, like trying to build political support for himself.
Yeah.
No, no, no, Charlie.
The whole thing isn't bizarre.
What's bizarre is your fucking insane fever dream fantasy that you're having about this guy.
That's why it seems bizarre to you.
That's why it doesn't seem to make any sense, because this is just a dream you're having in your gigantic, bloated head.
I never really saw like the small face thing, you know, because I just never looked at Charlie Kirk that often until recently, I've been watching videos of him.
And it's like, yeah, there is something to that small face.
Yeah, I don't know.
He looks like one of the gangsters from that 90s Dick Tracy thing.
He does, doesn't he?
You know, that's not that's not Jermaine to anything, except for just like, he's just a weird guy.
Um, anyway, like, why would you fake being in the third world?
Because that gets you brownie points because people say, oh, he is a embodiment of the struggle against Western civilization.
And people say, I like Mamdani because he's authentic.
That's what you hear.
You know, you go around New York and you talk to ordinary New Yorkers and you ask them about Zoran Mamdani.
You can't get anywhere without hearing them, you know, falling over each other talk about, oh, I like him because he's the vanguard in the struggle against Western civilization.
That's what I like.
Exactly.
Not like, you know, he promised to help out with the bills and to like reduce the risk of the business.
He's constantly bringing down Western civilization talk amongst the, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But authentic to what?
And what is he aiming towards?
He's aiming towards a devolution.
It's bad either way.
By the way, if he eats with his rice with his hands, whether he means it or not, he's either authentically gross or he's being a fake, disgusting person.
And in some of the comments of a TikTok video I made, people said, but Charlie, who are you to judge other cultures?
Oh, wait for it.
No, no, no, no.
That's the point.
We in Western culture believe that our way of life is the best.
We're better than Mohammedism.
We don't do female genital mutilation.
Well, I guess the trans people do, but we don't do female genital mutilation.
We in the West don't have child marriages.
We don't believe in honor killings.
We don't believe in polygamy.
We believe in American exceptionalism.
We believe our culture is better.
You see, in the modern world, happiness is the goal.
Feelings are the guide.
Judgment is the ultimate sin and God is the ultimate guess.
And let me say that again.
Judgment is the ultimate sin.
You're not allowed to judge others.
Guess what?
I'm going to judge you if you rise with your hands.
Well, I'm judging you, Charlie.
It's a core piece of the Bible.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
And he says it where judgment is the ultimate sin, but I'm going to judge you because you're a dirty Mohammedan.
I can't believe it's like he uses that word over and over and over again.
It's just like, it's like, that's like Robert Heinlein's short story from the 40s racism.
You know, like, that's not the height of the British Empire, late 19th century racism.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I was always exposed to it from reading like Heinlein's stuff from the 40s and stuff, you know, like in, in which it was like, you know, like, it's just like the respectable term that you use for these people.
I got, I don't know.
It's like, God, it's so like the idea that, you know, it's like Richard Spencer back in 2015 and 2016 like uses the word like octaroon to describe, you know, like it's like, it's like that sort of thing.
It's like, you've got to like really like hunt for that.
That's a, that's like vintage racism.
You really like, you got to work for that one, you know?
I don't know.
I don't know, Charlie.
I think this is a bit weak source.
I think you can do better.
I mean, why not muscle men or, you know, heathen Saracens or some shit like that?
Come on, pick your game up, man.
Oh, well, we'll see.
Anyway, so that was, that was from the Charlie Kirk clip.
And so now we're going to go back in time slightly because like the day after the New York City primary election, Kirk appeared on Kelly's show.
And so this is from episode 1095 of Kelly's show.
And I have linked that again.
The whole, the full episode is there for you to watch.
They did a whole episode.
You know, this, I did link the clip.
What it means that radical socialist Muslim Zuran Mamdani wins NYC mayoral primary with Charlie Kirk.
Yeah, I think that's complete rubbish.
And final point I'll say is this, is that London is a captured city.
You've been there recently, Megan.
I love this clip because of how quickly they move through the many different phases of racism.
It's like they're finding new ways to be racist every 30 seconds.
I got to say, I love how for the U.S. right, it is just an article of knowledge.
It is just a known fact that London is now just a radical Islamic fucking caliphate under Sharia law combined with high sort of Soviet Union style communism.
And you can't, you know, you're not allowed in the city limits without a burqa.
And I love this fucking fantasy they live in with London.
Yeah.
I've been to London.
I've spent a good deal of time in London.
It's not run by ISIS.
I hate to break it to you, folks.
It really isn't.
It is a husk of its former self.
It is terrible.
Well, that's true, but not for the reason you think.
I knew I was going to play this for you and you were going to have commentary.
It's great.
And I don't like the fact that I go to Piccadilly Square and I see more Arabic than I see English.
You go where?
Piccadilly?
What?
You go to Piccadilly Square?
What's that?
You fucking bullshit.
That I see more stores that are Yemen, Omani, Saudi Arabian.
That is a conquered and a captured country.
And no, Charlie, no.
See, I understand the trouble you're having.
I can explain this to you.
This is a city where you can buy lots of different types of food.
Yes.
Yes.
As is New York City, by the way.
And I'll bet plenty of those people eating that kind of food eat it with their right hand.
Would be willing to bet.
He's only just talking about restaurants and like grocers.
It's like, that's a conquered city.
Like, what the fuck?
It reminds me of that bit where Lauren Southern, I think she's in Australia.
I know she might be in London.
Anyway, she's sitting and she's like, she's asking, she's giving an interview or something.
And like the interviewer is saying, you know, look at, like, where's the charm of the old London?
Where's the charm of the old city?
I mean, where is, I'm looking around and I see all this, all these Muslims.
I see all this Arabic.
And like, where's an English pub?
She goes, it's, there's one right there.
There's one right there.
It's Red Bridge.
There's an English publisher right there.
Mamdani has to run on his own merits.
He's his own individual person, but he has not given any indication that he is anything but a radical socialist and someone that is trying to continue the Muhammadan march in the West.
Individual Muslims can be great members of American society.
We all know them.
And then he doesn't think of like, it's not all Muslims.
I know good Muslims.
My doctor is a Muslim.
He's going to go through that whole thing, right?
But in the macro, in the big picture, are we really benefiting the more that we are importing Islamists into the West?
I say no, and I think we should have a lot of caution making a Muslim socialist the mayor of America's largest city.
And I know I'm in trouble for saying that, but I'll double down.
We all know why you think that, Charlie.
It's because the fascist billionaires that pay you don't like the idea of paying a little bit more tax.
That's what this is about.
That's exactly what this is about.
Yes, absolutely.
And also you hate brown people.
And you hate brown people, and you hate Islam.
You're terrified of Islam.
Sam Harris doesn't get to quite this level.
Okay, Sam Harris does.
Sam Harris absolutely does.
We'll get in trouble with Ina.
No, no, no, no, no.
I was being slightly hyperbolic there.
Yes, I agree.
Sam Harris is exactly this bad.
In fact, arguably worse than that.
He cheers on the bombs as opposed to just accepting their assistance.
Anyway, there is no one that I know of in the English-speaking world who is more genocidal towards the Palestinians than Sam Harris.
That is, you know, Douglas Murray doesn't go as far as Sam Harris does.
I mean, it's bizarre.
Anyway, yes, Sam Harris is worse.
I was being hyperbolic.
I think that it comes with a lot of baggage and a lot of trouble.
The response to, not your argument, but it's been, your feelings have been espoused by others, including Benny Johnson, who said, he tweeted, New York City in 2000.
Benny Johnson.
Benny Johnson.
Yeah, perfectly reasonable person, Benny Johnson.
Yes.
One we'll never forget.
Benny Johnson, who was just recently, you know, taking selfies of himself wearing alligator Alcatraz merch and mugging for the camera with a big grin on his face.
Yes.
Yay!
Concentration camps.
Yay!
Oh, these guys are entirely in favor of alligator Alcatraz.
There's no question.
We're just not covering that right now, but we could.
Yeah.
So she's about to read a Benny Johnson tweet.
So you get, so you get even more racist impact in here.
You know, the World Trade Center.
New York City in 2025 elects Muslim jihadist.
That's not what you called him.
You did not call him this guy a jihadist.
No, I didn't.
For the record, I never said that.
Yeah.
You did not say that.
And I like Benny a lot, but I did not say that.
He's not running as a Muslim.
He is a Muslim who is running.
He's not running on Muslim policies.
I think it's interesting where Charlie Kirk goes with this.
But yes, of course, I agree.
And I think Charlie Kirk is going to agree.
Like, he's not a jihadist.
He's worse than a jihadist because he's a foreigner.
Because he's a socialist.
Because he's a socialist.
Exactly.
Here's how Ryan James Gordowski responded to Benny.
He says it's a low IQ hot take.
He says, Mandani's not a jihadist.
Sure, he hates Jews and supports a global movement to kill them because he's okay with the globalized the intifada chance.
But he's also about queer liberation and women's rights.
This is true.
He's just an identity based socialist where your value is connected to your race.
I mean, that's the thing, like the true radical jihadis are not out there at pride parades and wanting to make major part of their platform pride rights and free trans surgeries for minors, which is part of Mandami's promise.
I think that's a good point.
Right.
So I agree.
He's an odd jihadi if he's a jihadi, according to Benny Johnson.
And I like Benny a lot.
I wouldn't.
I won't say anything negative about him.
I wouldn't use the word jihadi.
And but I will say, though, he has hatred for the West.
And that's that we can all agree upon.
Where does that hatred come from?
Does it come from his radical professor father?
Does it come from the Shia Islam that he believes in?
But we don't.
But wait, let me just ask you about this.
OK.
First of all, he's not a jihadist.
He's worse than a jihadist.
He's a socialist.
He's a faker.
He's a third worlder.
You know, it's worse if he was a jihadist.
It's like it's funny, like how sometimes these people have a respect for Islam because like because it is like, yeah, you know, in their minds, you know, that the authoritarian governments of many of these countries, because they repress women, because they, you know, penalize divorce with, you know, draconian punishments, you know, because they, you know, because they don't allow gay people.
They don't allow trans people, et cetera, et cetera.
Like there's a respect, you get it from less of this crowd, but you get it certainly from like the actual neo-Nazis are usually like, no, no, no, no.
We like Iran.
We just want the Iranians over there.
We don't want them here.
We want, we want to make Iran.
We just want to make it here, you know, and have our values and our structure because we're white and not Persian.
But, and so it's like, if he were like, if he were a jihadist, you'd want to get him out of the country because he's violent, et cetera.
But he's worse than that.
He's like a liberal.
He's a communist.
He thinks trans people have rights.
He wants to take the money from rich people and give it to poorer people.
Like this is like, you know, exactly.
Which gets synthesized down to, he hates the West.
He hates the West.
I don't know.
That man does not seem like he hates the West to me.
He doesn't seem like he hates the West to me.
No.
No.
He seems pretty, pretty chill with the West.
He seems, he seems, you know, he seems very comfortable in Western clothes and Western, you know, like, you know, Karl Marx didn't come from the West.
I mean, you know.
Well, you know what Karl Marx was, don't you?
And they can never really truly be Western.
That's true.
That's true.
I accept that.
But does he hate it any more than the white Upper West Side women who surrounded me when I lived there?
No, that's voting for him.
They feel exactly as he does.
No, I agree.
And I think, though, that he now represents, should we import more people like him?
That obviously have, I mean, again, he was, I think, born here.
I don't know.
Or did he, what?
No, he was born in, he was born in, where was he?
Kenya or something?
We just went over this.
No, Uganda.
Ghana, Ghana, Ghana, Ghana, Ghana.
Uganda, Uganda.
Uganda.
Christ, you people don't even listen to each other.
Uganda and Ghana are on different sides of the African continent, by the way.
Yeah.
Where's he from again?
and then like these people also like they wear earpieces they have like you know there are producers talking in their ears helping them correcting them on these things it doesn't matter does it he comes from you know one one of those places i could make that mistake you know if i was covering it on like 10 minutes notice etc but the way that they go through the countries and the way that like charlie kirk at first doesn't realize that ghana and uganda are two different countries etc you know maybe there was a producer talking in their ear because maybe he just heard it wrong, I don't know.
But I included this because it does get into like that, you know, again, that other subtly different form of racism that suddenly like all African places are the same.
You know, you know, it's it might as well just be like you know, one big continent, one big country of Africa, and all we know about it is that like they're just desperately poor, violent, disgusting people who swim in their own ship.
That's all we need to know.
Yeah, shithole countries, as they were called by that man who famously, you know, restrains all his uncivilized impulses, Donald Trump.
Exactly, exactly.
And as you say, the politics of Uganda certainly are not, you know, engendered by the long-lasting effects of Western colonialism.
You know, EDMN.
No, no, no.
They came to this country.
Like Mamdani's parents or his dad came to this country because they were kicked out of Uganda when he was a child, when he was a child by the brutal regime of Edmund.
Like, I mean, you know.
And it's not, you know, it's not like Idi Amin rose to power on the back of being a hired thug and an enforcer and local warlord in the pay of the British Empire, because that might, you know, the British Empire do something wrong.
That can't be right.
That's the West.
And then like, Kelly is doing something interesting here because she's talking about like, well, he hates the West, but even does he do so less than like the rich white people that lived around me to look down on me when I was a Fox News anchor.
And it's trying to like deflect from some of the racism by like, you know, putting it.
Well, also liberal white women are just as bad.
Like, you know, this is, this is just like far-right scholasticism crossed with, you know, like trading cards, isn't it?
This is like, who scores more on this feature and less on that?
And how many, how many white liberals can dance on the head of a pin?
It's just, what's worse?
A jihadist or a Muslim who likes trans people or a liberal white woman in New York that doesn't like me because she's too left-wing.
You know, can we tot this up and work out who's worse?
It's like a racist Pokemon, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, right-wing Pokemon.
Yeah, I know.
I love it.
Somebody, somebody, fan art.
Somebody make the fan art.
Yeah.
And so has this guy been a great picture of American assimilation?
No.
Yeah.
So he's just going on with the great replacement stuff.
That's, you know, that's where he, that's why I left it to there.
God, can I, this, this is kind of a, this is kind of an incidental thing.
And I don't know, people might not like this, but these people's voices.
My God, they, I mean, Charlie Kirks is bad enough.
Megan Kelly's voice is almost unbearable to listen to.
The hectoring tone, you know, you can just, the grating.
She sounds like a fucking Dalek.
She's just, every syllable is just infused with hatred and rage and resentment.
She is very much.
Oh my God.
I never thought of it that way.
Oh my God.
I'm never going to be able to listen to her again without thinking about her.
You know, little teapot alien monster.
Yeah.
You know, doing the little Sighail, of course.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you're right, though.
She does.
I mean, it is a deliberate affect.
It is a deliberate affect because you can see her in situations that are more categorical.
Like, this is the thing she puts on for the camera.
This is the thing she puts on for her fans, for her audience.
Like, this is very much an affectation.
It is worth noting.
Megan Kelly.
And it clearly works for them.
Yeah, no, no, absolutely.
I didn't look up exactly where, but Megan Kelly runs one of the like 50 biggest podcasts in the world.
Like the Meggie Kelly show, where they are speaking right now, this is not, this is, this is a major, major show of all podcasts that are out there on any topic.
This is not like 50 highest politics.
This is a top 50 in the world podcast.
I almost didn't include this.
I was like, that's enough, right?
And then I went and re-watched that whole clip again.
And I'm like, there's more.
There's always more, but we gotta do this.
So I'll apologize to the listeners.
I apologize to you, most of all, Jack, for having to put through having to sit through this.
But one thing that I didn't include here is that Charlie Kirk starts talking about the red-green alliance between like communists and like Muslims.
You know, like it's all the same thing.
It's like the Islamo communism or whatever.
And he starts kind of getting into that.
That was just kind of isolated from anything else that was interesting.
And so I didn't include that.
But so basically I'm coming back.
It's the same clip.
It's the same video.
It's about three or four minutes later.
And this is kind of more towards the end of it.
And they get, if anything, even more on point for like Nazi ideology.
So the point is this, is that it's obvious he hates the West.
Where does that come from?
I don't know.
Now, if his name was Clark Smith, he might have the same sort of radicalism.
But I do think that there is a pattern recognition that for whatever reason, people get really mad when you mention, which is like, wait a second, we now have Sadiq Khan and we have Elon Omar.
We have Rashida Talib and now Maondani.
And none of these people have nice things to say about Western civilization.
And either they or their parents are here on invitation only to the West.
I'm pretty sure all those people have really amazing things to say about Western civilization, first of all.
But they're not.
He's a basic vanilla centrist labor type.
He's not anti-Western civilization.
The guy is as centrist as they come.
Exactly.
But he's brown, so he gets lumped in with these people who are to his left, of course.
Well, that's, I mean, that's what Charlie Kirk's saying there.
He's wrapping it up in all this verbiage.
But what it comes down to is, do you realize that there are people who are left-wing and brown?
Do you realize that that's a thing that happens?
That is the possible combination.
Exactly.
Exactly.
That is the distinction.
We have made a conscious decision to bring millions of people from the Middle East or Muslims into America.
Has that worked?
Is it a good thing?
Is it improving New York?
Has this guy been a shining beacon of assimilation and adopting American values?
Or is DN insurgents against New York City to try to break it down, make it into a poor version of Gotham?
And so I. I don't know what Gotham is referring to there.
He means Gotham City in the cartoons and the comics.
That's what he means.
It seems like the crime-ridden dystopia that Batman lives in.
That's what they...
I said, they're going to start talking about what's going to happen to New York if he wins like it's Bane in the Dark Knight Rises.
yes, they're going to start talking about it like Bane has taken over and blown the bridges and is driving a nuke through the streets and has got all the police locked in the sewers and has set up people's courts, you know, run by the scarecrow to execute the people that used to be in the hotels.
They're going to start talking like, and they are.
They're doing it.
Right there, right there.
Yep.
And of course, it's even worse because Bane was at least white.
Yeah, that's right.
It could be worse.
I want to make sure everyone in the audience understands.
There are some good Muslims out there, obviously, but as Islam has crept.
Sorry, go ahead.
I just said, fuck you.
It's fine.
Oh, okay.
He did the, there are some good Muslims, and I couldn't restrain the instinctive fuck you that came out.
He did it multiple times in this.
I could not include them all.
He did it over and over and over again.
I think he does it in this like 15-minute clip.
I think he does it like four or five times.
You mean like Ian Hersey Lee and people like that?
Oh, oh, oh.
Its way into the power centers of the West.
It has not materially improved our life.
In fact, it's done the exact opposite.
And that's being done intentionally.
It's being done intentionally.
That's the point.
And that's why I think it's important that I I understand.
I totally get it.
Totally get it.
This video, I've done years, years in coverage of coverage of these radical jihadis and radical Islamists and who they are.
And Ayan has been my best teacher on all of it.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
There it is.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Yes, exactly.
And again, they're talking like straight up.
This is a planned great replacement.
They're not using the term great replacement, but this, like, literally what used to be like the absolute vilest, off to the center, you know, Islamophobic racism.
That's right.
Yeah.
Even 10 or 12 years ago.
Yeah.
The stuff we were tracking 10 years ago when Lawrence Southern and people like that were smuggling it into YouTube.
It's now completely in the, yeah.
And now these people, these people who are completely mainstream, they sound, well, they sound like grok.
So the one thing they don't do is they never say one single fucking word about Israel in a negative light.
And they never go to like the overtly anti-Semitic trips.
You are allowed to be anti-Muslim or anti-Islam in the same way that the Daily Showboys are anti-Judaism.
You are allowed to have almost exactly a one-to-one correspondence, but you are not allowed to say it about Israel.
And why is that?
Oh, it's because the Jews secretly control everything.
No, it's because of U.S. structural power alliances.
They know what side of the bread their butter gets put on.
Anyway, because Israel is America's biggest client state in the Middle East.
It's central to American hegemony in the region.
And it's tied up with American political power.
And it's tied up with the insane ideologies of loads of people who are incredibly powerful on the right because they're evangelical Christians.
So it's sewn up.
You can't criticize.
But despite the fact that in many ways, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism are basically the same thing.
If you go back into the roots of the two ideologies in British imperial bigotry, they're basically just the same thing.
They're just offshoots of the same thing.
Oh, this is going to become very relevant very shortly.
There's a reason I included this clip.
Anyway, so Megan Kelly is about to play a clip of her own.
I mean, just read any book she's written.
Read any article she's written.
She's read it.
She's lived it firsthand.
Okay.
But what their goal is not a secret.
You actually don't have to spend much time looking at this to know what their goal is.
This video is making the rounds on X. It's from 1990.
1990?
I found a clip from 35 years ago that explains exactly what's going on in a mayoral race today.
They've been planning this for that long.
Have they not done it yet?
Oh, you just wait.
You just wait.
It's from the Muslim Brotherhood.
So you know this is going to be good, right?
Oh, this is the Muslim Brotherhood pre, you know, pre-the Arab Spring, pre-the fall of Mubarak.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's someone speaking on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood, a woman, talking about the goals for infiltration in American cities.
The Jews are secretly controlling things from behind.
It's the same logic.
The Muslims are secretly inserting themselves in positions of power, and they're going to make the world, the Western world, more Muslim and more brown and dirty.
American melting pot.
We do not want to melt into American society and disappear.
We want to go into American society with Islamic ideals and revamp their thinking.
We want to revamp them.
We want to turn them into Muslim individuals.
We shouldn't have feelings of distaste for them or intolerance because they're potential Muslim.
Education is one of the most important areas that Muslims have to address.
And while our objective, our final objective is not just to become part of the system that we experience now and that we see, our objective, our final objective is to create our own Islamic systems and not only create Islamic systems for Muslims, but to look at all the other people who are sharing this country with us as potential Muslims.
And in that long-range process of making America Muslim, all of America Muslim.
Yeah.
So it's not a secret.
It's not a very good conspiracy then if it's not.
So hang on a minute.
So your evidence for this massive conspiracy, which in some way involves Zorin Mandani, is a lady said a thing in 1990.
Great.
A lady speaking at it, speaking what apparently, I don't know the context of this clip.
I don't know the history.
I'm not, you know, this is not my total of expertise.
It's irrelevant.
How can this possibly be relevant to anything?
Well, A, this is the most mundane thing imaginable.
Like, this is a very, like, respectful, I think she is wearing, you know, she's not wearing Western clothes.
Let's put it that way.
But she's speaking very softly and very, and the goal, as I understand it, of like what the Muslim Brotherhood was actually like extoling at this time was about making the world Muslim from below, was about like sharing your faith as a gift to the people around you.
You talk about missionary work.
And they're talking about missionary work.
Charlie Kirk is an evangelical Christian.
Charlie Kirk thinks this should be an explicitly Christian nation.
This is the flip side.
I mean, this is the nice side, honestly.
Like, given the choice between what the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to do, at least in that, as I understand what they're saying in that clip, is we want to share our faith with the people around us and slowly convert them to our way of life.
Okay.
Yeah.
I do not, I do not care.
I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not a Muslim.
I don't plan to become one.
I have no interest in religious faith of any kind, you know, but that's one thing.
We're going to like force people to carry babies to term because abortion is against the Christian doctrine of faith and trans people don't exist.
And we're going to make them shut up or die is much different thing than what is being advocated for.
As I understand it in that clip.
And Charlie Kirk absolutely supports one and not the other.
He absolutely supports draconian religious bigotry so long as it's his religion.
And it is when you do get, and this is why this is like very specifically, this is like an alt-right thing is they don't have principles.
They have teams.
It's my team and it's their team.
That's the point.
And that's what I wanted to get to at the end of this episode is that that is what makes this as aggressive and as like disgusting and as terrifying as it is.
They are using the fact that a very reasonable left of center politician once, you know, once ate Biryani with his hands on camera and has vaguely progressive policies that he wants to enact as a cudgel against an entire like billion people around the world and to make them dirty and disgusting and violent and awful.
It is the worst kind of racial and religious bigotry.
And it is exactly the kind of thing.
It's oriented differently, but it's exactly the kind of thing that we've been covering since 2019 on this podcast is it is one and the same.
Even though these people, Charlie Kirk and Mike Enoch, despise each other, Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes despise each other.
They are after many of the same goals.
They just point, one of them points at Islam and the other points at Judaism.
That's it.
Yeah.
It's hard to look in the mirror when you're that kind of creature, you know?
Well, and they fight.
They fight this way because it's my team or your team.
It's like, you know, we are either, you know, against Islam or we're against Jews, you know, and it's.
Yeah.
And it is, it is teams as well.
It's just like, it's just like football teams.
You know, you go out there and you try to smash the other guys up because ultimately, because, you know, it's your team versus their team.
And why is it your team versus their team?
It's your team because somebody very rich that owns the team and effectively owns you is paying you to do it, is paying you to go and smash the other guy up.
Yeah.
Because these people are all, you know, they're all at bottom, they're all about money and profit and furthering your own.
I don't know.
I said this earlier.
I just like, to me, I find it hard to believe that these people are both wealthy.
I mean, Charlie Kirk is 31 years old.
He's been, he's been like a mover and shaker in Republican politics since he was like 20 years old or something.
He is, you know, like it's.
But he's like, he's like Ben Shapiro.
He's like so many of these people.
He was plucked out of college, essentially, and groomed by fascist billionaires to be a mouse for them.
Exactly.
He comes very much from that Ben Shapiro mode.
He's just slightly more of the, you know, cookie cutter, but made out of a different dough, basically.
And Kelly's not, you know, that different.
She's just sort of went via the Fox News recruitment route instead.
Yeah, Kelly has an interesting history.
I really want to talk a little bit about her history when we do that full episode.
I think there is a, and particularly when we do the movie Bombshell, which we're going to do as a bonus content, but we'll do it after, like, we'll kind of release them around the same time.
But there's a lot of really interesting stuff.
Like, Bombshell is an interesting movie.
We'll get to this.
This sounds good.
We'll get to this.
Yeah, we'll get to this.
Anyway, that is the introduction of Megan Kelly on this podcast.
And I think we're going to have a banger of a time when we do the actual Megan Kelly episode in a few weeks, honestly.
I am, you know, I think we might do something similar to this.
I've been trying to figure out how to do that episode forever.
Anyway, the reaching going on is incredible.
You know, this ultimately, they spin what amounts to a gigantic, you know, civilizational decades-long conspiracy theory.
And their evidence is a guy ate a biryani with his fingers and a lady said a thing once.
You know, if you want to, I mean, sometimes ladies say silly things, Megan.
I would have thought you would know that.
Gentlemen sometimes say silly things too.
And people that are neither ladies nor gentlemen sometimes say silly things.
But if we want to talk about ladies saying silly things, I can point you to many, many examples, including Anne Coulter at the height of the war on terror, talking about how we should invade their countries, by which she means all Muslim countries, and, you know, forcibly convert them all to Christianity.
But of course, that's your team, isn't it?
Meanwhile, I wait to learn how any of this is connected to the fact that a guy is running for mayor of New York who wants to make public transport free.
I really do wait to hear the connection.
I've got point A and I've got point C. Can you join them up for me?
Anybody?
Sorry to make the South Park.
It's the underpants gnomes thing.
It's like, you know, step one, collect underpants.
Step two, question mark.
Step three, profit.
Step one, eats with his hands.
Step two, question mark.
Step three is Zambo fascist dictatorship.
We should actually talk about that episode of South Park one day because that is politically fascinating, that episode.
Oh, oh, the whole, I mean, South Park in general is kind of fast, at least that first couple of years.
There's a lot of interesting stuff going on there.
I haven't paid attention to South Park in forever, but yeah, no, I would absolutely, I mean, God, if you want to do a couple episodes of South Park, I'd absolutely love it.
I would love to talk to you about that episode specifically, the Underpants Gnomes episode, because clearly when you want to do a bonus episode next week, you know, it is deliberately written to be a kind of libertarian economics subtext, right?
Behind their own backs without knowing what they're doing, they're actually supporting Marx's theory of profit.
They don't even know they're doing it.
That is an end.
I haven't seen that episode in 25 years, but I am down for this.
Let's do it for sure.
All right.
Let's wrap this guy up.
We're done.
We're done.
But I think, I don't know.
I think people will like this one.
I certainly had.
Oh, no, no, no.
I think, and I think we're going to do more of this kind of stuff of like, I hate to be like a clip show where we're just like talking through the clips, but sometimes you just have to.
I mean, I like to find the little nuggets in the like 20 hours of coverage or whatever.
But with a lot of a lot of the more mainstream stuff, it's harder to really put it together without really like showing it in something like its full form because they don't tend to make the racist point as like solid, you know, it's like spread out along a longer, a longer timeframe.
So, so yeah, we'll probably do more of this.
Believe me, it is, it is a lot of work even doing like this.
This was hours and hours of work to find these clips and even assemble them to this point.
So just be aware.
You know, this is, this is not a low effort podcast episode in any sense.
Yeah.
And find finding the time to do it as well, because we both have day jobs that press upon us quite strongly.
And also just finding the energy when the air is literally a fucking oven.
Yeah.
So thanks for listening, everybody, and wrapping up quickly.
