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Here we talk about the far right, their fellow travellers, and what they say to each other when they think we're not listening.
The show is hosted by Daniel Harper and me, Jack Graham.
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Be aware, we cover difficult, sometimes nasty subject matter, so content warnings always apply.
And welcome back to another episode of I Don't Speak German.
Daniel, how the hell are you?
I am doing well.
Had a doctor's appointment this morning and everything looks to be A-OK, at least as far as we know for now.
Oh, that's good.
They've got the raging sexually transmitted infections under control at last.
At last, yeah.
It's a Simpsons meme of all the sexually transmitted diseases all going through at the same time and then you get stuck in the door.
I don't know if you're familiar with that one, not being a Simpsons fan.
I'm not, if I'm honest.
It sounds very funny, so I'm sure it is.
Yeah.
I'll just read, I think, a little bit from this article, this NBC article, which was published a couple of days ago at the time of recording.
Nazis mingle openly at CPAC spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and finding allies.
Nazis appeared to find a friendly reception at the CPAC this year.
Throughout the conference, racist extremists, some of whom had secured official CPAC badges, openly mingled with conference attendees and espoused anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
The presence of these individuals has been a persistent issue at CPAC.
No shit.
In previous years, conference organizers have ejected well-known Nazis and white supremacists such as Nick Fuentes.
This year, racist conspiracy theorists didn't meet any perceptible resistance at the conference where Donald Trump, da-da-da-da-da, young Republican mixer Friday evening, a group of Nazis who openly identified as national socialists mingled with mainstream conservative personalities, including some from Turning Point USA, By the standards of CPAC, that is incredibly mainstream today.
Yes.
Yeah.
By the standards of American conservative politics in 2024, Turning Point USA is mainstream.
Absolutely.
No question.
And discussed race science and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
One member of the group, Greg Conte, who attended the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
A name that listeners of this podcast will probably be familiar with.
Well, exactly.
This is what caught my attention.
Greg Conte, who attended the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, said that his group showed up to talk to the media.
He said that the group was prepared to be ejected if CPAC organisers were tipped off, but that never happened.
As far as I know, it hasn't yet happened.
Another, Ryan Sanchez, who was previously part of the Nazi Rise Above Movement, R.A.M., took photos and videos of himself at the conference with an official badge and touted his associations with Fuentes.
So, I got to thinking.
I think I recognize these names.
So, maybe there's an episode in here.
So, Daniel, do you know about this guy?
Could you tell me something about Greg Conte?
As you say, I think he has been mentioned on the show before.
He has he was a formerly kind of Richard Spencer's best friend I don't know if that fell apart so much as like Richard just stopped being at all relevant and Greg kind of moved his own direction and then he was one of the founding members of the National Justice Party and He we didn't really cover this in our last episode about the National Justice Party and the collapse of the National Justice Party but he was I think credibly accused of trying to steal about $10,000 worth of
Um, NJP funds as he kind of like exited the group.
Um, the details on that are really murky and you know, there's just been a lot of like shit flinging back and forth and I wouldn't want to take a side in this.
I'm happy to let them like fight each other.
But you know, my guess is he probably did try to abscond with a little bit of cash on his way out.
Um, even if some of the details are not, um, not completely on the up and up.
Um, but yeah, no, uh, he's, um, a polyglot.
Um, you know, of a type, at least a self-described polyglot, although he probably wouldn't use the term for interesting reasons.
And he's definitely in that kind of Richard Spencer school, in that we're going to build a think tank that's going to invade the Republican Party and move culture that way, move the party right.
Although his dalliance with the NJP kind of implies it maybe he's kind of seen beyond that philosophy It's really unclear exactly what his like kind of political what his like immediate political goals are though Obviously he is he is an open national socialist.
He is a Nazi.
He loves Hitler He denies the Holocaust, you know, all of those sorts of things.
He is a very classic You know, he is one of those like key alt-right figures.
He is like second to, you know, in that second tier under Richard Spencer, if the top three are like Spencer, Enoch and England, then like Conti is like right underneath that, like kind of triumph right there.
He strikes me as comparatively quite well read, or at least on the, on the subjects that interest him.
Uh, if we can put it that way.
Yeah, he is an open Nazi, like proper original Nazi, NSDAP and Adolf Hitler fanboy.
That becomes apparent when you look at his podcast output, which we're going to talk a little bit about.
I found an interesting article at Splinter about his involvement with a very dodgy-looking tech recruitment firm, which he was running with some other guy who seems to go under various names, where he was the equal opportunities officer.
It all looks very strange and shady to me, and it's a pretty good article, and there's lots of quotes from him in that, and he is a pompous, windy motherfucker.
Yes, indeed.
It should not surprise you to learn that he attended Georgetown for at least a couple of years.
Not with no no shade given to like all the properly decent people who attended Georgetown But this is a man with like kind of a proper Ivy League education in some senses He has gone to schools with some of the some of the quote-unquote elites that he now, you know And he considers himself above them because you know He didn't have it handed to him in the same way, and he hates Jewish people, and that's enough to put him above the foray.
He doesn't agree with liberal pieties, like maybe Jews are human.
No, no, heaven forbid.
I found an article about him working as a teacher in an all-girls Catholic high school in Maryland, and getting fired when they found out who he was.
Was he the one who was teaching girls basketball?
Or was it girls volleyball?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
I was, I couldn't remember if that was him or McLaren.
I thought it was him, but I didn't want to, you know, quote myself.
I didn't want to quote on that.
But yeah, he was teaching, he was teaching young women to do sporting activities.
And I don't know.
I never heard any allegations against him or anything, but it's just a weird character.
I mean, it's just a weird biographical detail, right?
Whenever Nazis are hanging around young women, it's just a... You gotta turn your eyebrow up on that.
But what seems to have happened is... It's kind of a little bit wholesome, actually, which is that it looks to me, from the reports that I found on this, that he was basically doxed to the school authorities by the students.
It looks like some of the girls actually made the connection between their teacher, Gregory Conte.
And Greg Ritter, which is kind of, or was at least, his online political pseudonym.
I think he was at Spencer's organization, what was that called?
The National Policy Institute.
Yeah, he was at NPI.
Yeah, he was writing there.
Ritter.
And I mean, as far as I was familiar with him, as long as I was familiar with him, he always just went under Greg Conte.
But I do remember, sorry, like, He's been irrelevant for a while and so I haven't paid much attention to him, you know, honestly.
And so I would have been much more conversant with these details in like 2017, 2018 than I am now.
So my apologies.
Then I found, and you told me about this, maybe you explain it for the listeners as well, I found a blog called Occidental Descent, which, you know, the title is already very promising.
Yeah, Occidental Descent is the long-running blog.
I mean, it's been going for, I don't know, at least 10 years, probably more like 15, 20 even.
I don't know how old the earliest entries are, but it is the work of a guy who calls himself Hunter Wallace for The racist novel, Hunter, and Wallace for Bob Wallace, but his real name is Brad Griffin.
I'm not doxing him.
It is well known he goes by Brad Griffin in public most of the time these days.
He marched in Charlottesville.
He is a Southern Nationalist and a full-on, you know, I don't want to say full-on National Socialist because he does adhere more to kind of the sort of the Southern Confederacy kind of side of things.
He wouldn't agree with everything that like, you know, kind of the tenets of National Socialism, but he's a full-on racist.
He's an ethno-nationalist.
You know, he appears on the political cesspool on a regular basis.
He often has kind of contrarian takes to kind of the rest of these guys in the sense of being just a little bit more, just a little bit more with it politically.
He actually does have a bachelor's degree in political science, and so he often will tell them when they're talking out of their ass.
Although he is also a terrible person who also talks out of his ass, but he talks out of his ass in a more educated way.
But that's Brad Griffin for you.
That's him, and I found an entry on his blog Occidental Dissent about the And in his telling of it, Conte is accusing the leadership of the NJP of misappropriating funds.
He's accusing Hovater and Mike Enoch Pinovich of transferring $10,000 of cryptocurrency out of the NJP account into a private account.
I don't know what's going on here i don't claim to know i'm not interested so the story that the other side tells me and i've heard both sides of the story but the story as i tells is.
They took on to get lost and then a lot of the some of the accounts were in his name like he had control over the operating funds is a member of the party.
And so they transferred the funds to like keep it from him absconding with the funds.
So they each accused the other of stealing it effectively.
And again, I have no, I have no reason to take sides in this.
Like, please guys, why don't you sue each other and let's get all the financial documents in public so I can, I can pour over them.
I would love to learn all the dirty secrets of the finances of the National Justice Party, frankly.
The very handy service that Brad Griffin has provided for me, personally, on his blog, is that he's provided us with a very funny clip of Greg Conte, which Well, I mean, there's not much in this clip actually about the misappropriation of the money or the accused misappropriation of the money.
I think the point of the clip is to demonstrate something that the blog author views with disdain, or a certain amount of ridicule at least, which is Conte's open fetishism of basically OG Nazism and the Third Reich, which is something I agree with.
It is quite ridiculous.
And quite funny, and I think it's well known, Daniel, that you and I don't speak German, and I believe you've been mocked for that.
Yeah, by Conte in particular.
He considers it anti-intellectual to quote-unquote brag that I don't speak German.
Find me a man who doesn't get the joke more than Greg Conte, and you will search far and wide.
Yeah, he doesn't seem overburdened with a sense of humor.
Yeah, I'm going to play this clip for you now.
And yeah, it's quite something.
So here it comes.
I'm powerless to root out this problem according to any established procedure.
When faced with a secretive and duplicitous enemy, open conflict is the only way to bring justice.
National Justice Party.
What does the name even mean?
Supporters!
Comrades!
In this highest crisis of our newly reborn movement, I ask you what Major Otto Ernst Rehmer asked the wavering soldiers and officials in Berlin in the confused evening hours of July 20th, 1944.
Führer oder gegen den Führer?
Are you for or against the Führer?
I'm for him.
Are you?
*Song*
I promise you, I've done nothing to that.
That is raw audio.
One of my favorite clips that I ever found was very briefly, by which I mean they did one episode, was Richard Spencer trying to set up a premium version of the alt-right podcast that he had back in 2016, 2017.
And the one episode was like a video recording in which he and Conte sat and got smashed drinking whiskey and beer, and they probably had some wine sitting around.
There was a ton of alcohol sitting around.
And at one point, Conte, while Spencer is speaking, Conte walks off screen And then comes back holding a whiskey bottle and then carefully opens it before pouring himself another glass.
I'm not going to criticize anyone for drinking.
It's probably drinking while recording.
But yeah, it's a pretty delightful little moment in alt-right history and far-right history of just how incompetent these guys are because this was supposed to be their like premium product and the camera isn't even level.
The camera is like, they put the camera on a tripod and you know, it's like a cheap tripod.
And so it just like tilts very slightly.
And so the, the angle is off by about five degrees.
And so for the entire thing, they're just at this very slight Dutch angle.
Like this is, and they're, they're lit with just room lighting in a hotel room or some shit.
Like it's the most, this is the most off-putting video I have seen from like supposedly professional people trying to put out a premium product.
It was lovely, lovely stuff.
So all I'm saying is it sounds to me like Conte is a little bit sauce there.
Yeah.
So Greg Conte, as you might've, as you might've noticed a bit of a Nazi and he likes doing voices as And this is a theme with him.
And so I discovered when I followed the trail just a little bit, and I found his podcast on Odyssey called Prussian Socialism.
And it just seems to be like a Nazi history podcast.
It's not all about the Nazis.
There's some in there about the Empire of Islam, and the Spartans, and the ancient Greeks, and you know the sort of thing, that sort of fetishism of ancient warriorship, El Cid, and the Spanish, and all that sort of stuff.
But most of it's Nazis.
He has rotating co-hosts, and these are familiar names.
One of his co-hosts who's on several times is Warren Ballock, who we were speaking about just last time.
And he's also had Jazz Hands McFeels on there a few times as well, and a guy who calls himself Romanized Visigoth.
Yeah.
First, socialism, as far as I know, is not really being produced any longer.
That was very much kind of the early days of the NJP.
That was sort of Conte's attempt of producing content for the content minds.
And so, of course, there was a heavy cross-pollination with TRS and the rest of the National Justice Party kind of people, and that's why, you know, that kind of existed.
And it was his attempt to do, you know, like, bringing back, like, the real history of the West is sort of, I think, how that is concerned.
And because of Prussian socialism, because it's like, like, there's something in the ancestral, like, German spirit back in the days of Prussia that sort of, like, besieges the actual, like, national socialism.
And so it's, like, more I don't know.
It was always unclear exactly why he called it Prussian Socialism.
I mean, I'm sure he has some completely valid historical reason for it.
Yeah, I'm familiar with the podcast.
I haven't listened to every episode, but I've listened to a handful of them, but not for the last couple of years because it just isn't produced anymore.
I was just mucking around and having a bit of fun, really, and my eye was drawn to an episode about celebrating the anniversary of the Hitler Beer Hall Putsch.
That's something that I happen to know a little bit about.
You don't have to wait very long to get into the good stuff, and just for the hell of it, here's a little bit of that for you.
Sorry, I should say, that's not Greg speaking, that's his co-host in this episode, who seems to be a regular co-host, whose name... I can only find that his name is William, I don't know the rest of it.
I don't like the word cult of personality because it sounds like a very trivial thing, right?
It's very mundane.
Yeah, Hitler's was not a cult of personality.
No, it wasn't.
Hitler's was a cult of greatness.
Right, exactly, and that's kind of like...
The term cult should not be noted as, in an academic sense, as being negative.
Just for our listeners' sake.
No, cults only suck when they're led by shitty people.
Or like Kool-Aid is the end.
I'd like to point out, most of the Nazis killed themselves at the end.
At least the high-ranking ones, sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Like when a cult is led by Hitler, it's awesome.
Anybody can tell the difference.
Yeah, so cults are just a concept of a religious thing.
The cult of Hitler, effectively, was able to be created out of that.
So he went to jail and, you know, whatever, wrote von Kampf and all of this fun stuff.
No, I mean, what established Hitler was the fact that he didn't cuck during the trial.
Right.
Like, Hitler being, like, he was thrown down onto the ground by his bodyguard, dislocated his shoulder, hid out for a couple days, and then was arrested.
Like, that's not all terribly heroic.
That's not to say that Hitler was a coward or something.
Like far braver men have done far more cowardly things.
I suspect that on some level this is Cope because he and Richard Spencer absolutely ran away at Charlottesville.
Yes, no, absolutely.
Hitler, like, by luck, didn't get shot by a bullet.
Right.
He had the moral bravery to stand up to bullets.
Other guys did get shot.
Goering got shot, and horribly wounded, and spent the rest of his life dealing with that wound.
The other 16 Nazis who were killed there, like, they were willing to stand up and get shot, and they died for it.
Hitler didn't, thank God.
but how he redeemed himself by not you know for not getting killed because like you know you he did expose himself to that but like he didn't you know stand back up and say like shoot me shoot me shoot me right like breaking at this point to say that this isn't absolutely definitely known but there is at least one account of hitler after the putsch Very seriously contemplating suicide.
Anton Drexler, one of the other party members, one of the original founders of the party, claimed that he had to talk Hitler down from shooting himself in the head after the failure of the Putsch.
I believe that encouraging people to commit suicide is just legitimately a bad thing, but when it's Hitler, maybe you don't encourage it, but like, you know what, buddy?
The world would have been better.
You know, World War II probably still happens, but probably skip to genocide on that regard.
He made up for it by standing up for his position in court when nobody else was willing to do it.
And actually, I would like to do an entire show on the trial of Adolf Hitler because I think it is actually the more important fact of the Beer Hall Putsch.
You could do a whole series on that.
The Beer Hall Putsch itself was like, Cool and is of course the like moment of action it's the thing that everybody remembers but like really the moral fortitude and toughness that it took to stick out the trial and then to argue at trial when you're being tried for high treason that like um to argue it was not I who betrayed the state it was the November Criminals There he goes again, doing his voice.
He thinks he's real cool, doesn't he?
He likes to do his voices.
Is that his attempt at a German accent, do you think?
I don't know if that's an attempt at a German accent, but I think it's just his awe with Hitler, you know?
He's just so awed with Hitler's rhetoric, which I suppose there are precedents for.
And he wasn't wrong, though.
Right, obviously not wrong.
People have this notion that liberals will say, or communists will say, well, Hitler Hitler knew he was going to get off a trial.
Bull fucking shit.
That's bullshit.
No, bullshit.
He did not.
The only, the reason that he got a light sentence is because what he was saying was fucking true.
Okay, now, it's not liberals or even communists who say that.
It's historians.
I'm going to try everybody's patience here, because this really annoyed me, and I'm a bit of a nerd on this.
Yeah, I don't know this history at all.
So I'm very interested in what you have to say on this.
I'm sure he's bullshitting, but I don't know the details of how he's bullshitting.
There's various ways in which Hitler knew that he was going to be fine at his trial.
Firstly, there was the fact that the Bavarian state and the Weimar Republic was notoriously sympathetic to people like him, routinely let right-wing terrorists off with lenient sentences.
There was the fact that involved in the putsch with him had been members of the Reichswehr in Bavaria.
He was certain that he would be able to make a kind of deal to not talk about that in return for a lenient sentence, which is almost certainly part of what happened.
And there's also the fact that he knew the judge presiding over the trial was sympathetic to him more than, I mean, it goes beyond that.
So I'm just going to briefly play a little bit from a 1990s BBC documentary called The Nazis are Warning from History.
Hitler became famous for his apparently brave stand, but it was a con trick.
For he knew, as he spoke, that the judge would be lenient towards him.
Hidden from the public was the truth about a previous appearance Hitler had made in a Bavarian court.
More than two years before, at the Löwenbräukeller, Nazi thugs, egged on by Hitler, had disrupted a left-wing meeting, dragged the speaker off the stage and beaten him up.
Almost all of the documents relating to the trial which followed were seized by the Nazis when they came to power and later burnt.
But one or two from this earlier Hitler trial survived, hidden in the archive.
And they tell truths the Nazis wanted to hide.
Hitler was given the minimum sentence possible, three months in prison.
But the sympathy of the judge didn't stop there.
He wrote to the appeal court in support of Hitler, and asked them to reduce his sentence even more.
As a result, Hitler served only one month in prison, and a period on probation.
The judge in Hitler's first trial was called Georg Neidhart.
The same judge whom the Bavarian authorities allowed to preside over the Putsch trial.
It must have been obvious to Hitler that the court would be lenient towards him.
And they were.
The purpose of this show is not to debunk these people or argue with them.
This just got under my skin, and I wanted to demonstrate that this guy is full of shit.
Oh, well, that's just the liberal media lying to you.
Or, you know, you can say, well, that judge just knew how right Hitler was, and that's why.
That's why he was let off with a light sentence, because Hitler was right, ultimately.
I mean, that's the logic he would bring to you if you shared that clip with him.
You know, he would just like, you know, Pasha, of course.
That's what so-called historians with three parentheses around their names, that's what they have to say about this.
Yeah.
So yeah, moving on from Greg Conte to the other guy who's mentioned in that NBC report, Ryan Sanchez.
He's, looking into him, I suddenly realised that he's one of the guys in that picture that was going around social media, and everybody was laughing at, of the four dudes at CPAC, posing in a line over some sort of...
Uh, boasts like, you know, that we've seen the leftists out of the building or something like that.
The four of them stood there posing with cigarettes and, um, Nazi sort of SS Gestapo clothes on.
Or, you know, not quite because they haven't got the logos on.
But, uh, yeah, Ryan Sanchez is one of those guys.
He's the one second from the left.
He's also, people might remember a story from last year, because it was round about this time last year, where he managed to get Matt Rosendale, who's the congressman, a Montana congressman, who's actually a member of the Republican Freedom Caucus, He and this other guy, Grayson Arnold, who's a Nazi blogger apparently, they managed to get their photograph taken with Rosendale and Rosendale had to subsequently apologize and say, Oh, I didn't know who they were.
I'm not a Nazi, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean, which is the thing that happens.
I mean, you know, politicians will generally take photos with people, you know, like it's a, you know, you can't just like take a, take a photo.
I mean, I'm sure Rosendale is a piece of shit.
I mean, he is a Montana Republican Congressman.
That's, that's, you know, pretty much a recipe for a piece of shit.
Right.
I think what that speaks to, and I think we're kind of getting to this, is just how these guys come across as like relatively, you know, kind of ordinary young Republican kids.
And they can just kind of come up and go, Hey, we want to take your picture.
And it's like, this is just expected behavior and how these people kind of work in the same social circles to a certain degree.
I found a very good detailed article from Left Coast Right Watch entitled, Here are the Nazis that toppled the monolith.
I don't know if people remember back in 2020, these weird, slightly 2001 A Space Odyssey style monoliths were appearing.
All over the place.
I remember that being like a pandemic era mystery that people were like, how is this happening?
And it's like, it's an art installation or something.
That's always what it is.
It's not aliens or whatever.
Yeah, it was fun.
But Sanchez and his guys, because if you remember the story, you remember that one of the monolith was vandalized and ripped down and replaced with a giant cross.
Well, that was Sanchez and his bunch of guys.
Yeah, on that article, Left Coast Right Watch, I'm going to quote a little bit from them.
Ryan Sanchez shouted to his viewers online, Christ is king in this country.
We don't want illegal aliens from Mexico or outer space.
He gestured with a smirk to a tall metallic box he called the O-Ball-esque.
meaning to say obelisk i think i think in i think he's probably deliberately mispronouncing that word because he thinks oh ball-esque is funny um streamed to the white supremacist friendly twitch alternative d live group of america first groipers because this is it he's a groiper or he was anyway i'm not sure what his status is now but yeah he's he's cut ties he's cut ties with what is pretty hardcore yeah i i I thought so, yeah.
American First Groupers clad in military fatigues, Trump merchandise, and night vision goggles toppled the Atascadero, California monolith, the third installation of what appears to be a guerrilla art project, da da da da da.
I will fuck you to death if you don't sing, Sanchez barked at his colleagues, imploring them to belt out the battle hymn of the Republic.
Sanchez, who streams under the handle Culture War Criminal, and he still uses that, commanded his accomplices to tear the monolith down and then raise a wooden cross in its place, all while they chanted Christ is King, Christ is King.
So...
That is obviously a publicity stunt.
But yeah, that was him.
It's funny to me that just screams 2020 to me.
It's like, they're still using D-Live, you know?
That kind of activity, I don't know, it really brought 2020 right back viscerally for me.
I'm like, oh right, I remember this.
I remember this era.
This is ages ago, as time turns to dust.
That's kind of how I feel.
So long ago.
Yeah.
Particularly 2020 seems so long for some reason.
I can't think what it was about that year that made us all want to push it further and back into the past.
But yeah, also there is a guy called Christian Secor, or Secor, or Secor, I don't know, American names are all weird.
But he went under, scuffed Elliot Rodger online, he was at Charlottesville, he was in the UCLA America First Brewings, which seems to have come out of the UCLA Ruin Republicans.
So yeah, also from that article, Sanchez first popped up in the news for his involvement with the Rise Above movement, a white nationalist quote-unquote fight club formed in 2016 that recruited young men from across Southern California and traveled to violent far-right rallies across the California coast in addition to Charlottesville rise above movement.
I mean, you know that is accurate.
It was formed in 2016.
They are most well known for Brawling they were they were among the like strongest brawlers at unite the right They were actually charged for for their violence there Uh, in part, uh, because they had, uh, organized, like, practices beforehand.
They, they had, like, they trained to go there and to beat people.
They came wearing, you know, like, um, combat gloves and shit.
Um, so they were, um, very, very much a part of that.
And, um, you know, the leader of that is a guy named Rob Rundo.
Um, he's had, he's had a whole host of legal troubles.
Regarding to his, like, activity with the Rise Above Movement.
They were crowdfunded by Enoch of TRS, and I believe Ram actually, like, personally defended Enoch and a couple of the other TRS guys on the day on August 12th of 2017.
But I know they were fighting, and they beat some people pretty badly.
Although I don't think any of the, like, kind of the classic video that kind of came out, the stuff that really, you know, was kind of imprinted itself on people's mind, I don't think that... I don't recall any members of RAM actually being a part of that.
And I believe they were sort of the... I don't want to say the dissolution of RAM, but...
Sort of that kind of activity led to kind of the rise of the active clubs, which, you know, in the kind of wake of United Right, you started seeing these, what they call active clubs, which are essentially like Nazi branded lifestyle clubs for men.
It's like, you know, where you can buy like, Branded, um, you know, armbands and, you know, all sorts of, you know, like, athletic gear.
Um, they practically have energy drinks.
Like, that's, that's sort of, like, the, kind of the active club aesthetic.
Um, and, um, the active clubs have just, uh, sort of continued that rise above movement activity of, like, training people to fight in the streets, to fight communists in the streets, but with, uh, slightly more plausible deniability.
Yeah.
As I say, that article at Left Coast Right Watch, that's very detailed.
It goes into a lot of detail about Sanchez.
He's been involved in something that they call the anti-Sharia law protest in 2017 on Huntington Beach.
A lot of his stuff seems to center around Huntington Beach, California.
And then he parts ways apparently with Rise Above movement, And he starts cuddling up to Identity Europa, apparently.
And then, of course, that falls apart, doesn't it?
And a lot of their network gets inherited by Nick Fuentes and America First.
And it looks, at least for a while, like Sanchez got inherited with it.
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I don't really know Sanchez very well, like, I've heard the name and that sort of thing, but, like, he's never been, like, a content creator, and so he never kind of, like, pushes himself into my consciousness in the same way that, you know, someone like Flintes does, or, you know, or even Conte.
He's always been a guy who's, you know, kind of been involved, but he's not, he's not like the lead figure, he's not like a name that, uh...
That, you know, kind of puts himself out there in the same way.
So, but no, none of that surprises me.
It's like, you know, I think the one thing is like he's first part of RAM, which is kind of a street level thug movement, basically.
And then he's then trying to enter the kind of Republican adjacent, you know, politics of identity Europa later, the American identity movement briefly.
And then, you know, he gets hooked up with Fuentes.
And so it does seem to be like a pivot Yeah, he strikes me as somebody who's been sort of all around the place for a while, but never really made any impact and has always been trying to.
For instance, in 2022, he tried to insinuate himself into the people's convoy, trucker convoy, take back the border thing.
When that happened before.
And he kind of got chucked out by, what's this guy's name, Eric Rode, who's from the Washington 3 Percenters.
They noticed that he was there and doing his videos from their event and sort of forced him out.
So that didn't work out for him either.
And Sanchez is a former member of the US military, correct?
That's right, yeah.
Again, in the Left Coast Right Watch article, they talk about that.
He was, hang on a second, from the time period August 6th, 2018 to February 5th, 2019, Ryan Sanchez was an active duty Marine Corps reservist at Camp Pendleton, California.
largest Marine Corps base on the West Coast.
And they make the point Pendleton has a long history of white supremacist organizing with Ku Klux Klan organizing being an open secret in the 1970s.
And most troubling of all is the fact that by the time he joined the Marines, he had been involved in both Identity Europa and R.A.M.
Yeah, I mean, usually the military, you will usually try to screen those people out.
And so that is very interesting how he managed to attend Unite the Right and be a part of IE and then join the U.S.
military.
Yeah, he still goes by Culture War Criminal and he's still producing, he's producing content under that name and also under the banner of Nationalist Network.
And I found his video channel, Nationalist Network, and one of the videos is on there is him making an appearance on One American News, November 2022, where he's interviewed by Abigail Steinberg.
Now, she's interesting kind of in herself because people might remember her as the woman who completely wigged out about seeing a pride flag Flying at Huntington Beach.
So again, she's based around the same sort of area, and she's an OAN anchor now, having started out really going viral as a sort of anti-mask Karen attacking a Starbucks barista, which is all it takes.
That's the career path for these people.
Yeah, apparently.
I mean, it is.
It just absolutely is.
Like, you know, you make a name for yourself, you go viral, you know, doing some kind of right-wing dipshittery, and then you get hired by one of these companies.
But yeah, as I say, he appeared on OAN News defending Christian Sikor, his former crony, because he was prosecuted for being one of the rioters at the Capitol on January 6th.
And I want to play you a clip now.
I just find this clip really funny, partly because of the blatant bad faith on display from Sanchez, but also the hilariously bad interviewing technique from, I mean, I can talk, the hilariously bad interviewing technique from Abigail Steinberg.
To be frank, it's because the scope of this investigation, this witch hunt, involves so many moving parts, so many people, and Christian had a very long ordeal.
He was in solitary confinement for a long time, he was on house arrest for over a year, and he had an ankle monitor on the entire time.
And this could be contrasted with some other defendants who were charged with similar crimes, but Christian was given no leniency.
He behaved himself impeccably during his time on trial.
He'd never violated any of the restrictions upon him.
But he was rewarded for his good behavior by getting a sentence more than double what the sentencing guidelines were for what he was accused of.
It's just ridiculous.
And how did they come to this conclusion?
Three and a half years?
What did he do to warrant that?
I mean, how did they determine this?
Well, he hurt nobody.
He broke nothing.
He did nothing other than sit in Mike Pence's chair and it's apparent to me that this sentence is intended to send a message to Republicans.
It's intended to send a message to Americans like you and I that we can't sit in Mike Pence's chair.
We can't offend these people who rule this country and if we do anything to step out of line they'll punish us.
And you mentioned these lawyers who firebombed police cars and who Mind-boggling.
in this insane orgy of violence of 2020, many of these people were not charged at all.
But this guy goes on a, essentially a peaceful protest into the people's house, and he is given a stiff sentence.
- Yeah. - Mind boggling.
- It truly is.
- So yeah, I mean, it's outrageous, isn't it?
He is being treated like a criminal simply for having committed crimes.
It's terrible, really.
Simply for trying to overthrow the democratically elected government.
He gets punished.
Three and a half years.
Man, that's a...
Crazy sentence.
I mean, that is just absurd.
I mean, just imagine, like, that's almost as much as you get for, like, having a few grams of weed, you know, in the United States.
You didn't even get credit for not breaking bail conditions, you know.
Yeah, you didn't break your bail conditions, you were well-behaved in prison, and, you know, you just He got three and a half years.
And also, I don't know anything about this case.
I am certain he did a lot more than just sit in Mike Pence's chair.
Just factually speaking.
I don't know if you have a corollary to that or not, but I'm sure there's more to the story.
The FBI have loads of evidence that he was one of the key people in battering down doors, breaking doors open, getting people flooding in through the doors, trapping Capitol Police officers, and also a few weeks after the January 6th riot, when they broke into his house to search.
Yeah, it was full of guns.
It was full of guns, including ghost guns.
Yeah, three and a half years to slap on the wrist.
For sure.
Knives, yeah.
Three and a half years, by the way, is considerably less than the prosecution was asking for, so the judge went easy on him.
You know, history rhymes.
It does, doesn't it?
But yeah, if you could see the video, and I'll put the link in the show notes obviously, you will see that Sanchez's shtick is very much to be the very respectable, smart-looking young man in the suit with the tie and the sculpted hair.
And that is very much a part of his identity, I think, that he's trying to project.
I found another video on his channel.
Where he talks to this guy called, I'm not entirely sure how one pronounces this, but it's, it's spelt Z-S-U-T-T-Y.
So I'm going with Zutty.
This guy called David Zutty at something called the Homeland Institute, which as far as I can tell is a, is a sort of fake think tank.
Which is laundering Great Replacement conspiracy theory through pseudo-sociology and fake polls.
It's actually really funny.
The video, Sanchez is doing this television presenter thing where he keeps looking at the camera very much like he's on the news, being a news anchor.
And behind him, again, he's in his suit and he's with his sculpted hairdo and everything.
And behind him on the walls, you have assault rifles and fedoras.
It's a pump-action shotgun, what looks to be an AR of some kind, and two fedoras and like a Panama straw hat.
That's how he adorns his otherwise featureless corner of a room.
I mean, you'd say it's tryhard.
Except, it's like, it doesn't even go to enough effort to be tryhard.
It's like, no, we need some fedoras.
Oh, I guess the straw hat will work.
You know?
We've got big black guns that look really intimidating.
And we're just going to put up on the wall and that's just, that's our brand.
We're just going to like, Tim fucking pulled us that shit.
Like, you know, and he's the, he's the biggest weenie ever.
Like, come on.
Well, one thing will be noticed from that interview on OAN is that what he's saying is basically, uh, it's baseline orthodoxy for loads of Republicans, for loads of the Republican base.
The rioters on January 6th are being unfairly treated.
They're being persecuted.
It's a witch hunt.
He uses the phrase witch hunt.
Any legal proceedings against anybody that's on their side is a witch hunt.
And you will see a similar sort of thing very much in, again, I didn't need to go very far into this interview with this guy from the so-called Homeland Institute, to find material that is deliberately calibrated to appeal directly to that radicalized
I talked about your previous work, the polls regarding The Great Replacement, and how these ideas are more mainstream than we previously thought, and your work and the analysis you gave was proven correct.
In a very big way with Vivek Ramaswamy talking about the Great Replacement on the national debate stage, which is a further expansion of the Overton window in a way that's favorable to us, and we've seen that rhetoric finally After years of simmering beneath the surface, it has now come into its own and now mainstream figures are talking about it.
You have no idea how satisfying this is because we used to, you and I, we used to go and write banners about this, flyer campuses, and it sometimes felt like we were screaming into the void.
Like, I think every activist, no matter how motivated they are, they have that moment where they're like, Why am I up early in the morning when I could be inside more and playing video games?
But it has all paid off.
It is so wonderful to see these little seeds that we sowed and worked so hard for and were oftentimes were persecuted for, harassed.
It was so great to see that come true.
And what's nice is that, you know, I am a fighter and we have a new fight ahead of us, which is to make sure that the Great Replacement is not besmirched or hijacked by people who are trying to take the focus off white genocide.
The whole point of the Great Replacement was white genocide.
And in my poll, which I did on the second poll on the Great Replacement, we made sure to really emphasize that it was about replacing white people.
This is about replacing the free thinkers or patriots That's definitely a welcome, you know, side effect and after effect, but that was never the main thrust.
There are plenty of free thinkers and lovely people in Japan, and there has been talk about the Great Replacement in Japan, like, oh, you better open up for immigration, but they haven't been pressured massively by the George Soros apparatus, as basically every white country has.
The disparity between the way the conversation regarding demographic replacement is framed with whites compared to Asians is the talk about bringing in immigrants to South Korea, Japan, these countries with these fertility crises.
They talk about them in strictly economic or pragmatic terms, whereas when they talk to white people about becoming a minority, they love to use Moralization or they almost lionize this racial suicide as a way of atoning for guilt.
Of course, and they don't use those arguments when they're talking to Asians.
So The Great Replacement is a unique crisis facing our people because we're being guilt tripped into essentially becoming minorities in our own homelands.
There it is.
I mean, these are the people that are now at CPAC.
And the really scary thing is that there is, to me anyway, that there's basically no difference between what they're saying and what is being said by the people at CPAC who aren't from far-right groups.
As the guy says, they had Vivek Ramaswamy, one of the candidates, on the debate stage No, absolutely.
And I mean, I think there is a subtlety here that I think I've said in previous episodes, but I want to just highlight here.
They're talking about the Great Replacement Theory.
And they talk about like white genocide.
Yeah.
They use them pretty much as interchangeable.
Right.
Which is how sort of the classic alt-right back in 2017 used them interchangeably.
What happened when like sort of the more mainstream Republican types embrace the great replacement as a term is they started using it as a cudgel against Democrats for trying to replace the Republican voter with more reliable Immigrants from other places or, you know, by, you know, stuffing the voter rolls with ineligible black people, etc, etc, etc.
It becomes much more a rhetorical tool in service of the Republican Party and in terms of, like, their electoral success.
And what guys like this are doing is they're now trying to enter those spaces and to, like, insert, like, really, you've always been talking about white genocide.
You're just not saying it out loud.
We want you to say it out loud.
There's a reason that Ryan Sanchez is not listed out to me as particularly interesting.
This is very, very ordinary bog-standard stuff that any one of these guys could produce this content, given a microphone and a couple of guns and three hats.
This is remarkably standard stuff.
To me, the thing that stands out is that it's remarkably standard stuff now within the mainstream Republican Party.
Within that mainstream Republican Party, absolutely.
And I mean, again, Charlie Kirk is saying a lot of the same kind of shit on his thoughtcrime podcast.
And Charlie Kirk is, again, we said it earlier, he is a mainstream Republican figure now.
Like, there is no sense in which he is not part of, you know, that media darling elite, you know?
I mean, maybe he doesn't have quite the pull of a Ben Shapiro, for instance, but he's up in that same conversation, for sure.
And he's going, like, almost as far I mean, you're just as far as these guys are going.
I'm just not using like the exact term white genocide, but definitely talking about like, well, they just hate white people.
They just hate white people.
And this is how these ideas have been just inserted into the Republican media through this kind of like almost insurgent warfare, like an insurgent info war from below, from these like far right white nationalist figures.
And that's kind of what we've been documenting for the last five years, ultimately.
Yeah, no, it's definitely, this is just another example of it happening, yeah.
If nothing else, I now know about the Nationalist Network and added it to my archive.
So, one more dipshit in my multiple hard drives.
The Homeland Institute.
Oh yeah.
Don't forget the Homeland Institute.
Gotta get that one, yeah, for sure.
If what you're trying to do is to get a certain kind of result, David said he knows exactly how to do so.
I did just look him up.
He did appear on the political cesspool last month, something I recognized.
Oh, that polling data thing.
Yeah.
And he did appear on the openly white nationalist of the nationalist, practically national socialist podcast, the political cesspool.
He appeared on it like four weeks ago.
So that tells you it isn't even a porous boundary anymore.
It's just They're just all mixing together.
Yeah.
Political cesspool, countercurrents radio, and here's a blast from the past, Millennial Woes.
He was on Millennial Woes podcast talking about this.
But yeah, you look through their infographics, they've got a page of infographics that are like sub-PragerU stuff, and it's the wedge stuff that the radicalised Republican base are into.
It's the Great Replacement, demographics pose a threat to white Americans, do you agree, etc, etc.
But yeah, the Homeland Institute is a pseudo-think-tank with respectable-looking graphics presenting itself, as I say, as a think-tank and a sociology institute for laundering the exact same extreme right-wing ideas that are key to the thinking of that radicalized Republican base.
So this is how these things, the GOP and MAGA and America First or formerly America First is where they all melt into each other at places like this.
No, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, it is, it is ultimately an idea laundering outfit.
You know, it is taking these ideas and like making them more respectable and then feeding them into, you know, into more mainstream media spaces.
Although, I mean, you know, Zeti is not like, he's not like a big figure or anything.
But, like, if he's in conversation with people who are, or if he's putting out this information, one of the things they do is they sort of put out this stuff and it gets picked up through, oh, the Homeland Institute.
That looks legitimate.
And then, like, other people start picking it up.
That's definitely a, that's a, that's a very well-honed political and media strategy that a lot of these guys have, for sure.
Okay, so there's the secret story behind that photograph of the four dudes looking like Gustavo officers at CPAC that you saw, people.
I hope you enjoyed it.
Hello everybody, Jack here, jumping in just before the end to mention something.
This episode didn't get edited and put out as soon as I wanted it to, it's actually a couple of days after recording, but the good news is that gave me time to catch up with some reporting that came out after Daniel and I recorded, which is the article in The Nation, I was banned from CPAC but the extremists weren't, by Amanda Moore, who you might remember as a previous guest on this show.
Amanda Moore talks in the article about some of the things we talk about in this episode.
She talks about Ryan Sanchez and mentions him and his mates harassing her, as they apparently have done on previous occasions.
She writes about other far-rightists that she saw there, Brian Bettencourt, Jared Taylor, who we've done a previous episode about, Kyle Ferrara, Colton Buss.
She mentions Greg Conte, as we do, talking about him networking with young Republicans at a happy hour event.
She mentions in the article that CPAC are denying all this, and they're still denying it as far as I know, calling it fake news.
The thing that made me want to jump in and interpolate this is the fact that on MSNBC, Joy Reid did a segment about Nazis at CPAC, and she used some of the footage and images of Amanda being harassed.
Well, I think it's in the hotel lobby, that Amanda writes about in her article.
She does it without attribution.
She doesn't, I believe, attribute the original article that I should have actually mentioned the writer's name, Ben Goggins.
It doesn't mention Amanda, doesn't give any attribution for the film or the photographs or anything that she uses, and I thought we could try to do better.
But yeah, that's a good article, so go and read it.
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