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Dec. 11, 2022 - I Don't Speak German
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118: Ye - the Right Reacts

What happens when one of the most famous recording artists in the world has a full divorced-dad-crisis and plummets into the abyss he's been dangling over for ages, the abyss of far-right, antisemitic, pro-Nazi conspiracy theories?  Well, now we know, because we've all been watching Ye (the artist formerly known as Kanye West) cart Nick Fuentes and Milo Yiannopoulos around with him like his new crew of homies and hype men as he dines with Trump, does interviews with Tim Pool and Alex Jones, and chats with Gavin McInnes (founder of the Proud Boys) in what looks like a torture basement from cheap kink porn, all the while loudly declaring that Hitler did nothing wrong and the Jews are out to get him. This episode focuses less on Ye himself and more on the Right's varied reactions to his odyssey of enthusiastic newly-converted-nazi antics.  We check in with, amongst others, Nick Fuentes himself, Matt Walsh, and Elijah Schaffer. Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618 IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Episode Notes:

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There we go.
Nobody's late as hell, man.
Rebel needs to fix this shit.
What's good, everybody?
What's up, Shaq?
What's up, everybody?
Don't say anti-Semitic shit right away.
We got a lot to talk about.
Shit is moving so fast now that it's hard to believe.
This is I Don't Speak German.
I'm Jack Graham, he/him, and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he/him, who spent years tracking the far right in their safe spaces.
In this show we talk about them, and about the wider reactionary forces feeding them and feeding off them.
Be warned, this is difficult subject matter.
Content warnings always apply.
Okay, so this episode, so this episode, we're going to be talking about, well, something that one or two people are well, something that one or two people are talking about, which is Kanye West, now known as Ye, apparently, and his recent
Although we're not going to be talking about him so much as more the reaction to what he's been up to among the Yeah, the last thing people need is for us to play extended clips of Kanye West saying anti-Semitic things, and then going, isn't that anti-Semitic?
Don't you agree that's anti-Semitic?
Not that there's not a use for that.
That is a very powerful thing, and I think that should be pointed out, but hopefully we can do a little bit more than that.
And we do actually have a bonus episode coming up hot on the heels of this one, which will be just public for everybody, in which we, wow, so much talking about Kanye in that episode with our friend Holly, who schools us in Kanye law.
So watch out for that one.
We are deeply regressive nerds who don't know anything about Kanye, and I never thought that was going to be useful on this podcast, but apparently the world is sometimes unkind to me, and so I had to be more aware of Kanye West and his history and antics.
So, yeah.
I'm very old, I'm a nerd, and it would be impossible for a man to be whiter than me without actually being made of snow.
So Kanye, not something I was expert on.
There was something about a hologram?
I don't know.
Anyway.
I was originally planning for this episode to be kind of about the Club Q shooting and about the sort of the...
The transphobia that's sort of around that and some of the media culture.
I am still prepping that episode.
We will still be making it, but I think this one sort of took precedence in terms of just how big it was in the news cycle.
But I did want to include a link to what I am told is sort of like the charity to support the victims.
of the Club Q shooting in Colorado Springs last month.
And that is from, there's a website at the Rose Community Foundation.
That will be the first link in the show notes.
Please go check that out.
And if you do have a few spare dollars to give, please donate to that because that was one that hit me really hard.
And I, I mean, I, I don't want to tell you, I, I wept.
I wept it.
I wept it like every detail of that story.
Like it was, it was atrocious.
So, um, please, if you do have it, check it out.
And, as I say, we aren't back.
We're back properly, so we're going to do it.
We're going to do the thing.
It's Cantwell News.
Cantwell News!
Cantwell News!
Hooray!
We need like the big huzzahs, you know, like some kazoos playing in the background now.
Yeah, we need a sound effect of like a children's choir shouting hooray or something.
Hooray!
Cantwell News!
Not a big Cantwell News segment.
It sounds like he is out of prison now.
He is collecting money on a Give Sim Go, which I will not be linking in the show notes.
He is trying to get back on the radio, but apparently he is trying to podcast again, but apparently either can't or won't do it from the halfway house where he's currently living.
So sometime in the next month or so where we can expect, he's already like teasing What the first episode of his new revamped show is going to be like, and oh boy, it is, it is just, it is just, it just, it just keeps getting worse with this guy.
So I've had a good two years of not having to think too hard about Mr. Cantwell and he's back.
He's back.
So more content for our grist, I guess, but you know, that's, that's how it goes.
Yeah.
Well, thanks, Chris, for being so dedicated to our show, really.
Yeah.
Making sure we- Get to work producing material for us.
Making sure we remain relevant for decades to come by just being the most awful person imaginable.
He, the one big piece of news that I don't mind sharing at this point is that he is finally, you thought there was one man he would never be able to alienate, and that is Jared Howe, who has stuck through him, with him, through thick and thin, through all the trials, through all of everything, going back to the Boat Patrol era, going back to 2018, 2017, like, he has, Jared Howe has been alongside this man for every terrible thing he did, and finally, finally, Jared Howell has broken up.
That is trouble in paradise because, get this, Christopher Cantwell is just a little bit too pro-Russia these days.
He's just a little bit too pro-Russia.
That was the breaking point, you know, because Jared Howell, being the libertarian fascist that he is, is deeply anti-Russia because they're all just a bunch of communists, etc, etc, etc.
So, you know, Oh, I see.
Russia's too left-wing for him these days.
Yeah, it's all that Duganite, Duganist sort of paradigm.
That was the reason.
That was the whole thing.
Somebody on Jared's telegram was like, hey, isn't Cantwell out?
And Jared's like, yeah, he's out.
We don't talk anymore.
It was the funniest thing!
I was just like, oh my god.
Yeah, if you're a Cantwell pill to the degree that I am, and this passes for humor for you, it was really funny for that to be the way that news came to me was, you know, a couple of lines on Jared House Telegraph like, yeah, no, yeah, he's an asshole, whatever.
It was a thing, so yeah.
Okay, so I think we'll start on the main subject now.
I mean, if you don't mind just kind of going through kind of like what you have kind of gathered from the sort of the Kanye West situation, just for people who may be listening down the line or maybe haven't followed it to a great degree, you know, just kind of like, why are we talking about Kanye West today?
Well, this has kind of been a long time coming, apparently, because he's been showing signs of having these sorts of beliefs for a while, and he's very much been coaxed, you know, by Fox News and the Republican Party and so on, to be part of their narrative about wokeness and censorship and so on.
Because Trump, he came out for Trump, you know, during Trump's presidency, wore the hat, etc, etc.
Any personal friends with Candace Owens as well?
That was a big thing.
Candace Owens and they attended a fashion show wearing White Lives Matter shirts.
And then he went on Fox with Tucker Carlson.
And Tucker Carlson edited out, or his producers edited out, some of the more explicit anti-Semitism to cover for him.
And then sort of the recent avalanche of news started when he went to have dinner at Mar-a-Lago with ex-President Trump and took Nick Fuentes with him.
Nick Fuente is familiar to our listeners, of course, as the groyper-in-chief, little Nicky, the no-fat, cum-hunting, snot-eating groyper leader.
There was all sorts of kerfuffle about that, you know, loads of people were suddenly working out that Trump's right wing, you know.
And Trump was apparently very impressed with Nick Fuentes and Nick Fuentes told him that, you know, he admires him, but he's now looking at DeSantis, which I'm sure went down well.
And Kanye told Trump, you know, I'm going to run for president and I want you to be my vice president.
So it sounds to me like classic kind of dick measuring contest, you know.
Trump came out afterwards and he did that thing he does.
He did it with David Duke back in the day.
Oh, I don't know who that is.
He did it with Nick Fuentes again.
I didn't know who he was.
Kanye sprung him on him.
Sprung him on me.
So, yeah, right.
And what was it?
You had the GOP House Judiciary tweeting, Kanye, Elon Trump, the new holy trinity.
And then it was Tim Pool after that, wasn't it?
Kanye and Nick Fuentes and Milo Yiannopoulos, who's back, went on the Tim Pool Show.
Milo was apparently at that meeting at Mar-a-Lago as well, from how I understand it.
Oh yeah, he was, yeah.
Based on sort of like context clues from some of the things that people have gathered, Milo seems to have been connected with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
And Milo has been like the connection between Trump and Kanye and Nick Quintus on this whole thing.
Like Milo's kind of the person behind the scenes doing all this.
And so everybody feels like he's been de-platformed from Twitter.
He is no longer a problem.
It turns out things are a little bit more complicated than that.
Not to say it's not a good thing that he's not on Twitter, but You know, he is not quite a pathetic enough grifter to be completely irrelevant yet.
So anyway, but yes, they all went on to pull together.
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, he has been hanging around with quite a variety of these people.
He's been hanging out with Ali Alexander, who we know from Stop the Steal, and Owen Benjamin, the disgusting, racist, quote-unquote, comedian.
And Candice Owens, as we say.
So who the hell knows?
It's a great big network.
Anyway, yeah, they went on Tim Pool's show.
Tim Paul was trying to do his usual shtick, you know, of being a sort of objective, centrist journalist who just wants to talk about the issues, and Kanye just went straight in on the anti-Semitism.
And then when... I won't even say when Tim pushed back, because he didn't push back.
He just, um, it was about the mildest sort of slight, um, disagreement where he said, well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say what you've just said, um, about Jews.
Um, Kanye just walked off set, just ran away and, uh, uh, immediately followed by Nick Fuentes and, uh, Milo Yiannopoulos.
So that was, uh, that was fun to watch.
And then, you know, we were all talking about that and then yay goes on InfoWars with Alex Jones.
With Nick Fuentes, not with Milo.
Apparently Milo was fired in the interim.
I think Milo was fired after that, or they split... I don't know.
The details are all fuzzy on exactly how the timing of all this went, but yes.
So, you know, Fuentes and EA went on InfoWars for a three and a half hours, something like that.
Almost three hours interview.
In which somehow, you know, when the voice of reason in the room, relatively speaking, is Alex Jones, you know?
You know you're in a bad place.
Because Alex Jones was kind of trying to... It was hilarious to watch, actually, Alex Jones getting visibly exasperated with a conspiratorial right-wing nutcase who wouldn't stop talking.
It was a real... Yeah, now you know how the rest of us feel, Alex.
It's a real leopards eating your face moment for Alex Jones.
Very much so, yeah.
Because Kanye went right all in.
You know, I love Hitler.
Literally, I love Hitler.
I love the Nazis.
The Nazis are unfairly maligned.
Hitler invented the microphone.
The Holocaust didn't happen.
The whole thing.
Pornography is a Jewish conspiracy to destroy masculinity.
Literally, full on.
He's right.
You know, no hiding of the power level anymore.
He's right the way down the fucking fascist rabbit hole.
He then appeared on Gavin McInnes' show.
And Gavin McInnes is doing the, you know, we're trying to save Ye.
He was trying to do Saving Ye Part One.
Apparently they recorded it for several hours and they only released about 45 minutes of it.
I would be fascinated to know what's in the other.
That was with Nick Fuentes again.
Nick Fuentes is still like Kanye's performing monkey sat next to him smirking and grinning and nodding.
And then rescuing Kanye when Kanye has to get into sort of any of the complex politics.
He hands it over to Nick and Nick covers that because so much of this stuff is it feels like yay parroting stuff that Fuentes has told him.
Not that that in any way I feel like the Alex Jones bit, that was a huge thing.
People in my day-to-day life were coming up to me and going, did you see Kanye West is on InfoWars?
It was definitely a thing.
My phone, I recently got a smartwatch for a variety of reasons.
So now I actually get the vibrations for my like notifications.
They just kind of happen on my wrist.
I was at work and my phone, my wrist was just vibrating continually for about an hour and a half.
It was just notification after notification after notification.
I was like, oh my god, what is going on?
He's got a sprained wrist from all the notifications.
And, you know, my right hand just couldn't stop moving.
I was listening to, you know, we won't go there, but, you know, it was, it was definitely, it was definitely a moment.
And I think that's the thing that people like are, you know, that really kind of drew people's attention to it.
This has been building for a while, and we could do a whole episode about how the Daily Showaboys have been amping up for this, because this whole saga has been going on for a couple of months now in terms of just bubbling over.
Interestingly, I think that Kanye does not come across in the Alex Jones interview as someone who is overtly pushing You know, he's not doing like Kevin McDonald style, you know, like the Jews are a race of people who have like, you know, justified their, you know, evolution by, you know, a group evolutionary strategy or whatever.
He's not doing, you know, that level.
He's pushing it much more in sort of the, like, we need to be Christians and our leaders need to be Christians and the people who run the media need to be Christians.
And so he's blaming it more on like the religious, you know, that kind of explicitly religious side of it.
That was something that came out in the Gavin McGuinness interview as well.
Very Christian nationalist, very Christian fascist, theocratic.
That's how he and Nick see their ideal society.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And there's no question that Ye has either been fed these sorts of ideas, these kind of talking points.
Almost certainly by Nick Fuentes, although, you know, there may be other sources of that as well.
But, you know, he's definitely kind of like speaking about like doing the kind of straight up Holocaust denial, doing that kind of stuff.
But it's not the main focus is, you know, the more the anti-pornography thing, the more, you know, he's it's like a very personal, I think, for him and that the You know, these particular Jews, these particular handlers in the music industry have come out and, like, taken my wife from me, and they're trying to take my kids from me, and they're trying to, they got my wife involved in porn.
It's like, you know, Kim Kardashian, like, came to, like, publicity as a public figure by doing a porn, a sex tape in 2004.
Like, you know, this is not, you know, it wasn't to get at Kanye West.
Like, let's put it that way.
Yeah.
No, there is a real divorced dad energy about the whole thing, isn't there?
Right, exactly, exactly.
And a whole lot of what he's saying is just whinging about how much it's cost him in material terms as well.
He's complaining about this and that company not wanting to do business with him anymore.
And of course, they're doing that because they don't want to be associated with somebody who comes out with overt anti-Semitic Nazi conspiracy theory stuff.
But of course, it's a self...
Fulfilling prophecy for him.
It's a self-confirming cycle where he says shit and then sponsors dump him, people don't want to do business with him, and that just confirms in his mind that they, triple parentheses, they, are, you know, rigging the game and out to get him.
He's convinced people are out to get him.
No, absolutely.
And, you know, it is that, I mean, I like the, you know, it's this sort of thing that like the far right will use, you know, well, you get canceled.
I mean, we're going to, we're going to talk about this.
We're actually going to play some clips on this, but, you know, just to kind of get you where we're going, you know, you get canceled.
If you, you can say all sorts of things about like the black fathers, you can say all sorts of things about, you know, the sources of crime, you can say all sorts of things about trans people or, you know, Gay people are all the little pets of the, quote unquote, the democratic establishment or the liberal elites.
You can say all these things, but then you say the word Jew and suddenly you're not allowed to speak anymore.
That's when they really come after you.
And then they say, and that's because the Jews actually run everything, which It's just not the way this works.
The thing is that if you start talking about the Jews, it makes the overt fascism really obvious to people, and people don't want it to be that obvious.
They want to be able to hate on all the people they want to hate on, but not make it Clear.
That's the thing that's going on here.
This is all just a matter of optics.
There are some things in history that most people know about that make the Jews a bit of an acid test, a bit of an indicator.
I think there are reasons why people are particular.
People's radar picks that up.
Right, yeah.
I mean, you know, and it is, like, it is just that thing.
It doesn't, it's not, you know, like, it's, you know, and of course anti-Semitism is a hugely complicated topic, and we're not, I mean, we spend a lot of time talking about, kind of, various versions of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and the various forms of it, but, like, I do just want to kind of highlight here, right at the very front, because the fascists will listen to this and go, like, but you're not denying that the people around Kanye West, who are, like, taking his money, those are Jewish people, and it's like, no!
Of course Like, that's not the point!
That's not the point!
That's not what we're doing here, you know?
So, anyway, we are going to be talking about sort of the larger media ecosystem that's sort of like come out, particularly after the Ye interview on Alex Jones.
And I think this is very useful in terms of talking not so much about Ye, but about sort of the The way that kind of the divisions within this kind of right wing ecosystem today, like kind of kind of where the dividing lines are is indicated by what kinds of talking points they're using with respect to Kanye West.
So first, I did want to just I was going to save this for a bit, but I do want to just play like there's a 30 second clip here just in case you haven't heard it, just to see just how far Kanye West was willing to go in this Alex Jones interview.
We're just going to play.
We're going to play this clip.
This is one I just kind of pulled off of Twitter.
It's a pre-made clip.
I did watch the entire three-hour interview, and it's mostly pretty boring, frankly.
It's very repetitive, but it's probably worth just going ahead and playing this now.
You know, it's like he had a really cool outfit and stuff and he was a really good architect.
So you're in love with the look of it?
And he didn't kill six million Jews.
That's just like factually incorrect.
Guys, get the Ronald Reagan clip they showed me yesterday.
Sorry, go ahead.
Ronald Reagan said that too.
Well, I think Hitler did target and kill some people.
I think Obama killed Palestinians.
No, I hear you.
Here's where I think the frustration is.
And Nick, you can comment on this.
And Obama was not the first black president.
He was another Jewish president.
There's so much there, we could spend half an hour digging into that.
Yeah.
Don't think it's quite worth going into it.
Just FYI, the Knowledge Fight boys have done now three full episodes talking about Kanye West, and all three of them are definitely worth your time.
I will put them in the show notes.
It is definitely worth checking that out.
Yeah.
I think Alex Jones might be right.
I think Hitler did target and kill some people.
I think that's true.
And I don't know what point he was trying to make up Ronald Reagan there either.
Was Ronald Reagan also said that Hitler didn't kill that many Jews?
Or that Ronald Reagan also was... I don't know.
Alex Jones I find really frustrating because I never know exactly which angle he's coming from with some of this stuff.
It's all kind of word salad for me.
And I just haven't spent that much time with Alex Jones, which is why I mediate my Alex Jones content through Knowledge Fight.
So, when I need my Alex Jones fix, I just go listen to Knowledge Fight.
So, that gives you at least a sense of, you know, kind of the way the pattern went, is that Ye would say something, like, really stupid and antisemitic, and then Alex Jones would push back in his own, like, Weird, you know, conspiracy-minded way that doesn't want to just blame the Jews for everything.
And then Ye would just, like, move over to Nick.
Hey, Nick, you respond to this.
Nick, be the brains in the room.
And that kind of gives the... I mean, if you listen to that 30-second clip, you have listened to much of the three-hour episode, honestly.
It is very repetitive in that way.
Oh, I do.
I did just want to mention one other thing connected with this, which was that Stephen Crowder's reaction was really interesting, because he initially responds to it by sort of condemning what Kanye said, but then Kind of going off into his own little Nazi rant where he starts saying, you know, you do have, uh, what he calls secular humanists with Jewish last names who, who do have, you know, there are lots of them in banking and in the media, and this is a conversation we can have.
And then, uh, like in his next show, I think it was next show, after he realized just how badly this had gone down, he does a complete 180 and he does this thing where it's like, can we all just agree he had Alex Jones on his show?
Can we all just agree?
Hitler bad?
And as I commented on Twitter, yeah, he thinks Hitler was bad because he thinks Hitler was too far left.
He thinks Hitler was a socialist.
Hitler was a socialist.
That was the terrible thing.
And you know, individualists would never kill a bunch of Jews.
That would definitely never happen.
Yeah, no.
Capitalism is how we save.
It's how we save the Jews in the future.
So yeah.
So I didn't pull up any Stephen Crowder clips today.
Instead, I went with Matt Walsh as our sort of representative of mainstream conservatism, you know?
Matt Walsh.
Matt Walsh is now mainstream conservatism.
That's a terrifying thought.
So we're going to kind of divide this into like three kind of vaguely kind of separate groups here.
And that is, you know, people firmly ensconced within like sort of the right wing media ecosystem in terms of like they actually work for one of these kind of major organizations, you know, Turning Point USA, The Daily Wire, Blaze TV, etc, etc.
And then our second group of people who are outside of that orbit, but sort of within the Within the frame of who might be allowed on one of those shows.
And then we're going to be talking about the third group of people who are beyond the pale.
Because there's three very different ways that this subject has been handled, and particularly the way that people talk about Nick Fuentes.
And so, Again, I find this really interesting, and I hope that the audience is going to kind of bear with me on this, because I have to present to you Matt Walsh as the relative voice of reason right now.
Now, Matt Walsh is one of the most bigoted people I follow.
His anti-trans bigotry is through the roof.
In case you don't know who he is, he's the guy who did the What is a Woman documentary.
He has the manscaped beard that he's obviously very proud of.
He is a full-on fascist, but not to the degree that it's going to get him kicked off of the Daily Wire, which is where he works.
We're going to talk.
We're going to listen to Matt Walsh kind of, you know, speak some truths here.
Speak some truths.
It should go without saying.
I would certainly hope that it does.
But just to be clear about this, Hitler was a degenerate, mass-murdering lunatic.
So, if you're going to put your own credibility on the line, and your reputation, and your name, and your career, and everything, to defend someone, or to point out their redeeming qualities, quote-unquote, it shouldn't be for the sake of one of history's greatest monsters.
And not incidentally, Hitler was also a man who, by the way, Would have thrown Kanye himself into the gas chamber without hesitation.
Kanye is rallying to the defense of a man and of a group that would have considered him subhuman because of his race.
So this is pure self-loathing, self-immolating madness.
And on that point, second, It's hard not to laugh about some of this because it's so awkward and weird, and that's just the natural response when you see something awkward and weird.
But in truth, you know, it's actually not funny.
This man is having a mental breakdown.
He's losing his mind.
He is sick.
He is not well.
He is in very bad shape.
Nothing could be more clear.
Almost had me there, Matt Wash.
Almost, you know.
Now, calling Hitler a degenerate, you know, Yeah.
But you know, the rest of that, Hitler, bad guy.
We don't like Hitler.
Choosing to platform Hitler and saying Hitler's a cool guy, Hitler is the person that we should be redeeming in our public discourse, bad move.
I agree, Matt Walsh.
To then go, well, there's nothing more to talk about this than that Kanye West is clearly going through a mental health crisis, and there's nothing more to say.
And I just want to be clear about this.
Ye does clearly have a history of mental health issues.
As do I. One of us started hanging out with anti-Semites and went to extreme degrees to defend Hitler.
The other did not.
So maybe there's more going on here than a chemical imbalance in someone's brain.
That's just to be clear.
And to use that kind of rhetoric, of course, and I'm not actually defending that while she's a completely horrible human being, to use that as a, that gets used as a battleground against all other people with mental health issues.
Suddenly, well, this is just the cause of your thing and you just need to be, you know, wiped off the planet or whatever.
So this is pretty eugenicist rhetoric in and of itself, you know, to just sort of use this as the way.
There is no further comment among most of these guys within this sort of more mainstream-ish discourse about the things that Kanye West is saying, right?
Because they can't really respond to this without unveiling the emptiness that's at the heart of all their rhetoric, because at the heart of all their rhetoric is It's hateful bigoted ideology.
They just choose to talk about it in different ways, and they point towards different victims.
But to have to talk about why Kanye is wrong for this, then you then have to say, well, what about trans people?
And a huge percentage of their, at least young audience, are pretty overtly anti-Semitic.
You know, and just follow them as the kind of more normie friendly stuff that they could share around.
So, again, not defending Matt Walsh here, but it is interesting to see just how little Matt Walsh wants to deal with this at all.
Like, it's just a hot potato for them.
What he's doing is the pocket version of what they do when there's a right-wing terrorist attack, when there's a mass shooter.
They do the thing where they just chalk it up to, you know, it was one person who was mentally ill.
And that way they can avoid talking about the issue in depth, because there they run the risk of facing the fact that the person was very often inspired by the kinds of political commentators that they are, sometimes directly, you know, lots of the mass shooters.
That have happened, have had Ben Shapiro and, you know, etc.
etc.
in their favorites.
They can avoid that, and they can avoid also talking about the fact that they probably agree with the mass shooter about nine out of ten things.
So they just write it off as, well, there was this one aberrant individual.
He's just doing a version of that.
Well, yeah, and then the other part of it, of course, like with the Club Q shooter, it's like, well, look, people are going to do this unless we, you know, unless we clamp down on, you know, gay people and queer people and trans people using state violence.
Like, you've got to use state violence or else people are just going to take matters into their own hands.
There's got to be a political answer to this.
And of course, that, I think it's straight back to like, you know, episode one of this podcast was kind of about the more, you know, the mainstreamers and vanguardists, you know, kinds of ideas and how do you, you know, and how they frame these certain things.
So, yeah, no, this is all very par for the course in terms of listeners of this podcast.
Moving on from Matt Walsh, I did...
These are a couple of dipshits.
So this is the I'm Doing Great podcast.
It's called I'm Doing Great, the podcast.
They are a Tennessee-based duo, a man and a woman.
This is Mike Lerner and Gina Pontempo, although I think she's changed her name to Florio.
I think she recently got married.
You've probably never heard of this podcast.
Not just you, Jack, but most of the people listening to this have never heard of this podcast.
It doesn't get a huge listenership.
They're sort of up-and-comers.
I think they're looking for that sort of more mainstream.
They're looking to get picked up by the Daily Wire or whatever.
They do have some pretty impressive production values.
They went viral a little while back, a few months ago.
For during the kind of the wake of the Dobbs decision, the anti-abortion decision in the Supreme Court, talking about how abortion was worse than slavery.
And there was like a kind of a tick tock of theirs that went viral based around that.
And nobody really wanted to nobody knew who these people were.
But this is very par for the course for their content.
It's very it's very kind of, you know, it is a thing.
And Nick Fuentes is a pal of theirs.
He's been on the show two or three times at this point.
Destiny has been on their show to defend Nick Fuentes.
We're going to be hearing a bit more from Destiny here by the end of the episode, just to be clear.
And so they will, when they do bring Nick Fuentes on or when they talk about him in the show title, they don't call him Nick Fuentes because that gets you banned, of course.
They call him Flick Nuentes.
So they switch the first vowel, the first consonants of his name, which is very clever.
It's very clever.
It's very clever.
So anyway, this is a This is how they choose to respond to this.
And this is mostly Mike Lerner talking here.
So, you know, just to be clear.
I have a rant about, uh, our good buddy Fik Nwentes.
And, you know, I, I hope you people clip this out, send it to him.
I don't want to do that.
Cause then I'm, I'm clipping it out, Mike.
Don't worry.
I've got it.
He's not talking to me and I'm not going to send it to Fik Nwentes.
But, uh, yeah, I did.
I did.
I thought that was amusing.
Yes.
I'm I clipped this.
Don't worry.
It's clipped.
It seems self-serving, but I just wanted to say this.
Fik, Nick.
We love you here and I'm doing great.
We're going to continue to support you.
There are a lot of people, you know, who watch our show that have fallen off the FIC train and who don't support you, who still maintain that you're a white supremacist.
Just whatever ridiculous allegation that they have against you.
And one comment that I received yesterday, because we were posting about FIC.
So, dip it back in here.
All these ridiculous things people say about you, that you're a white supremacist, and that you're a racist.
Things that clearly are not true for anybody who actually knows you.
You don't really believe all those things, right?
Clearly, that's not a thing that you believe in.
Tim Poole pointed out how, you know, the fascinating paradox of Nick Fuentes hanging out with Kanye West, which was incredibly perceptive of him, you know, it really makes you think, doesn't it?
Yeah, I think Gavin McInnes pulled that one out as well, you know, at some point.
And maybe Alex Jones, almost as if there's a pattern there, almost as if this is part of Nick Fuentes' like overall plan.
For how this is going to go.
But listen to the things that, you know, that Mike decides are, you know, sort of, you know, common complaints that his audience gets about Nick Fuentes.
This is where this is going here.
And it's, it's only like another like 20 seconds or so.
So.
Nick a bunch over the weekend because he's working with Ye now.
And he said, he said, I can't stand Nick because he seems like he's just a total hypocrite.
You know, the guy talks about men and men needing to be important.
But the dude, he's not married and he talks, he doesn't talk well about women and he doesn't lift weights, all this kind of stuff.
The really bad things about Nick Fuentes is he's not breathing enough.
You know, he's not.
He doesn't have a wife or a girlfriend.
He's 24, doesn't have a wife or a girlfriend, not breathing, no kids.
And he doesn't lift.
Those are Those are the real nitty gritty details about why Nick Fuentes is a terrible person in the eyes of the I'm Doing Great audience that are least worth responding to by Mike there.
doesn't even lift even lift bro.
And it's like, no, he doesn't.
Nick Funtis is very open about the fact that he loves fast food and he doesn't like to exercise and he despises women.
I think he might despise women more than he hates Jews.
I think, I think it might very well be, you know, he, he's yeah, no, he is.
I have, I have never seen anyone and I have been at this for a while.
I have watched Roosh V.
I was here for the Manosphere, for the height of it.
I don't think I've seen anybody who just despises women on a more visceral level than Nick Fuentes, you know?
It is astonishing just how far he will go on that regard.
But of course, they're not talking about like, oh, he's a misogynist.
He hates women.
He doesn't want women to be in positions of power.
He doesn't want to listen to women on media and that sort of thing.
That's not really the criticism because they kind of don't think that either, even though there's a woman who's a co-host of that show.
It's like the anti-feminist woman is perfectly acceptable.
It's like, I left the left.
I used to be a liberal, and now I'm not anymore.
That's the sort of frame, and I just want to go and be a wife and mother, and I just do this while I can, but I have to put my family first.
That's sort of the angle that you're allowed to go for.
But Nick Fuentes is further than that.
To have women speaking out loud is nails on a chalkboard for Nick Fuentes.
He is that far.
But again, that's not what they're really complaining about.
It's just the- He's pretty open about that, about wanting a sort of handmaid's tale type society.
I mean, he's talked about the relationship he would like to have with a potential wife as being something like the relationship between Hitler and his secretary in the movie Downfall.
That's the kind of relationship he wants.
He said that very openly.
I could find the clip.
I could probably find the clip if I had to.
had to.
It is, yeah, no, he's, he's real bad.
I can get behind Nick Fuentes' life turning out the way downfall turns out.
So yeah.
Follow your leader, Nick.
Okay, anyway.
So, I'm sure you're now very curious.
What does Elijah Schaefer have to say about all this?
Oh, I was curious.
That was a question that was very deep in your mind.
That was very, because we've done sort of mainstream right-wing figures.
We've done people who are sort of working to kind of get into that mainstream, but haven't really made it yet and are sort of like friendly with Nick Fuentes.
What about someone who's been kicked out of that like mainstream right-wing ecosystem?
What does he have to say about the environment?
And this is, so first of all, he is now doing, he now has three shows.
So Your Here doesn't exist anymore.
So he has the slightly offensive show, which is his main show.
And then he does a nightly, kind of a three times a week nightly live stream, like a late night live stream with his wife, Kedzie.
That's called Nightly Offensive.
And then there's a behind-the-paywall version on his local page called Totally Offensive, and that's where all the real hardcore shit goes.
Now, I have not bothered to get behind that particular paywall yet.
It's not that the $10 a month offends me, it's that, like, there's just not enough content for me to be bothered with at this point.
It's like, you know, they've got like five or six episodes up or something, so it's like, okay, I can wait on that.
But this is what he's willing to say on the nightly offensive show.
So you can only imagine what the locals chat is like and what's going on on Totally Offensive.
This is on the nightly offensive show in which, you know, at the beginning of this episode, he, you know, Elijah and his wife, are literally talking about Voldemort, and how you're not allowed to talk about Voldemort, or else they will come and take you away, and take down your channel, and take your ability to speak away.
You know, the Voldemorts, who you're not allowed to speak about.
And of course, he's talking about the way that you're not allowed to say the word Jew, and they go on for a good 30 minutes of this particular episode.
Also, just as an aside on the, um, this is a visual thing and I can't put it in the show and it's, it's not related to our particular topic, but, uh, towards the end of this episode, they just start kind of pulling up random videos that, uh, one of them Kenzie had had on her phone and shared with, uh, Elijah.
And.
It's just a black person who they think looks and sounds funny.
It's about 15 seconds long.
And then they just don't even comment on it.
They just laugh.
They just laugh and then move on.
And there's nothing that I can say that except like, that's just pure racism.
Like that's just, you know, you found a guy on a, on a video who you think looked stupid and looked fat and ugly and like African or whatever.
And then you just laughed at him and then you move on.
Just in its purest form, yeah.
It's just the purest, most base racism at that point.
Again, that's enough of a visual component.
I couldn't put it on the show because there's no audio there that's worth sharing.
Instead, let's listen to Elijah go through his experience of being within the media and what the right-wing media doesn't let you talk about, what they don't let you say.
But they also said white lives matter was a hateful display term, which I thought was weird as well, because why was white lives matter?
They just hate white people!
They here is not explicitly the Jews, just to be clear, at least in this context.
It is media producers, mainstream media producers, and even right-wing ecosystem media producers.
Just hate white people apparently.
Okay.
Despite the fact that overwhelmingly their audience is old white people, but you know, let's see, you know, like Glenn Beck does not hate white people.
Let's just put it that way.
I'm going to get in so much.
I'm trying to figure out if I should say this or not.
Oh, and it's so hard!
Maybe we need to make a list of things to save to when we just go to the Locals Pod.
Because, because I, and I don't want to ruin anything.
Well, I'm trying to think about what I should say.
I don't want to ruin anything by saying things outside of the Locals Channel.
Because the things that I have to say are going to get us kicked off of every platform we have left.
That's what Ketsey is saying.
What do you think she's not saying?
And the fact that she's definitely not saying it is to say she's saying it, right?
She believes certain things.
All right.
It gets worse.
Because I want to be careful on how I discuss Cause I'm not, one thing I'm not is a gossip and I don't gossip about people and I gotta be, I gotta say it's very, very, No, don't say anything.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
I gotta say it's very vague.
I don't even want to gossip about an industry, but I want to say that the right wing mediascape is so cucked that you will, when you work there, get Get pressure from even other companies trying to get you out of your company if you advocate at all for white people.
At all.
Like in the right-wing media.
Meaning, if you work for any major right-wing company, if you advocate for white people, like say, hey, white issues, and you reference whiteness and issues, even if you're not even getting into white supremacy or white nationalism or any of those things, if you just bring up white people maybe more than once a month, you'll get a call.
And that's how cut they are.
I'm not- I wonder what Elijah Schafer was getting phone calls about.
That's not even like white supremacy or white nationalism.
You just mention white people more than once a month and you get a call.
I wonder, hey, who was giving you a call and what exactly were the things they were giving you a call about?
It's funny that he doesn't like express that in so many words, right?
Like, you know.
Yeah.
He's curious.
He's just curious.
Joking it's it's it's crazy like you literally but hey, why are you always it?
Why is this going like this?
Why are you advocating for white people?
Why why are you doing this?
What's going?
Why do you why do you want this to go?
Why do I why do I advocate for people?
Why do I advocate for half of this country because at the end of the day because I care about the country and And it's like, yeah, but we don't want to go in that direction.
You go, in what direction?
In giving a shit about my family?
Why would I not care?
And so the right-wing media landscape is so cocked.
You know, I know a lot of people that work in it for a variety of companies, and it's really, truly, you're very sanctioned in what's acceptable, and everything else is sort of off the roster.
And you'll get labeled racist, and they'll try to get you out.
And they'll find a way.
So, just to remind, just in case you want to know what they'll find a way to get you out means from Elisha Schaffer's point of view, he allegedly fondled one of his regular co-hosts during a film screening of a film he co-produced.
The same quote-unquote spicy Latina who was there for the Kyle Rittenhouse interview and was brought in specifically to be Kyle Rittenhouse's type.
That woman.
Allegedly.
Allegedly, Elijah Schaefer fondled her, fondled her, fondled her breasts during the screening being extraordinarily drunk.
So that's that's that's the sort of thing.
You know, the Jews were just after him, man.
Like, you know, they found their free text.
If you're not if you're not allowed to even do that, you know, like that's just I mean, who knows what these guys actually get up to in their private behavior, you know.
But, you know, the the the barest pretext is what it takes, you know, to get rid of you from TV.
It wasn't that, you know, they just took advantage of that very minor little incident to get rid of him because he because he, you know, on right wing media, he had the temerity to just occasionally, just occasionally just advocate for white people.
That's all he did, which of course is verboten in right-wing media.
You mustn't do that, obviously.
The idea.
And, of course, brought Nick Fuentes on to both Slightly Offensive and to You Are Here, back during that process.
So, yeah, for sure.
Certain things you're not allowed to do, which is to advocate for white people.
Definitely, yeah.
The right hate that.
And so moving on from the Nick Fuentes adjacent, I think it's worth listening to a bit of the man himself.
What does Nick Fuentes have to say about all this?
And he's kind of been on a Self-congratulatory, self-masturbatory, we would say, sort of like world tour right now in terms of his show.
This was actually recorded in Kanye West's personal studio in Los Angeles.
He's now part of Ye's entourage alongside this African-American Yeah, like Manosphere, kind of like a kid Manosphere guy, kind of like an Andrew Tate, like a younger Andrew Tate kind of character named Sneako.
Sneako invited Nick Fuentes on his show a little while ago, and Nick Fuentes sort of like red-pilled him on the Jews and some various things.
They both went on Destiny's Stream.
Anyway, these are the circles that Nick Fuentes has been popularized in, you know, over the course of the last, you know, couple months at least.
And, you know, so we're going to listen to first Nick Fuentes, just sort of things you're not allowed to say.
We had Elijah Schafer, things I'm not allowed to talk about.
And now Nick Fuentes.
Hey, what are we not allowed to talk about?
Compare and contrast.
It's really not much contrast.
It's mostly just the same fucking thing, but we might as well play it from Nick Fuentes' point of view, right?
And this is a bit long, so we'll probably dip into this a couple of times, but worth hearing it from the horse's mouth, as it were, from the Nazi's mouth.
We can't have that conversation, why?
We can't get into, if the Holocaust is THE thing, if there's a Holocaust museum going up on every city block, and that's part of the curriculum, a child turns 8 years old, and they're shown a video of mass graves.
If this were anything else, it would be child abuse.
A child turns seven years old, second grade, and they're shown The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.
They're shown a child being gassed to death in a gas chamber.
This feels pretty autobiographical to me because Nick Fuentes was himself about seven or eight years old when The Boy in the Striped Pajamas was released in theaters.
So my guess is someone actually showed it to him around that age.
This seems like a really telling detail to me.
And you and I would have our criticisms, shall we say, of the literature and film industry that produces works like The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.
But of course, that's not the criticism that Nick Fuentes has.
It's like, why do we have to, like, We shouldn't bother ourselves with this kind of imagery in our educational system.
Why can't we just think all white people are great and heroic?
This is a very common complaint, is that the Holocaust gets shoved down our throats.
I never felt like the Holocaust, that I was made to feel bad about myself from the Holocaust.
We've had this conversation on this show a few times.
I was not a Nazi.
So, you know, of course, never felt I felt bad for the victims of the Holocaust.
Never felt I was responsible or was being made responsible for it.
You know, but I don't have a plan of genociding people on a racial or religious basis.
So, you know, I don't share political goals with Adolf Hitler.
So, you know, I don't have to feel bad about that so much.
I doubt that many seven-year-olds or eight-year-olds are being shown the footage of the bodies being bulldozed into mass graves in schools anyway.
I don't think that's happening, because that would be distressing for kids that age.
I think there's an argument to be made that you shouldn't show seven-year-olds night in fog.
I think that's valid.
But that's not what they're being shown, anyway.
No, his issue is with them being taught about it at all.
Society talking about it at all.
As if it's a bad thing, you know?
You say genocide like it's a bad thing.
That's kind of Nate Flint's point here.
They're being showed piles of emaciated human corpses shoveled into a mass grave.
That's a curriculum that every American child is taught.
In some cases, it's mandated by the state.
In some cases, politicians agitate.
There's not enough of that.
And of course, if that's the bookend of every conversation is Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust, we have to be able to ask questions about why it is the way it is.
And put very simply, here's my view on it.
We have a Jewish media.
We have a Jewish Hollywood.
Ye proved that.
Ye said, death count three on the Jews, and it cost him two billion dollars.
He could say George Bush doesn't care about black people.
He could say that blacks are on a plantation for the Democrats.
He could say slavery is a choice.
He could say that blacks should vote Republican.
He could say that abortion is evil.
He could say all these kinds, and people can say all kinds of things.
But he said something about Jews inventing cancel culture and Adidas forfeited 250 million dollars in the last quarter of this year cutting off his deal.
A lot there, right?
This goes back to what we were talking about in previous episodes about the things you're not allowed to advocate for.
What do you mean I'm just not allowed to advocate for the destruction of certain kinds of people?
People look at me badly when I think that this is part of our rational discourse, but also Kanye being cancelled by Adidas proves that the Jews secretly run everything when it's like, no, you're a bad look.
Yeah, it's a bad look for you to do this.
And brand ambassadors, companies drop brand ambassadors all the fucking time for a whole lot less than what Kanye West has done.
Yeah, in the last month.
And if he did start coming out there and being like, slavery was good, actually, and blacks accepted slavery and actually wanted to be slaves, I have a feeling he probably, maybe it wouldn't have been quite so fast to drop him, but I think he probably would have been, there would have been some meetings, let's put it that way.
So, it's not just universally like, you're allowed to say whatever you want, unless you say the word Jew.
It's completely preposterous.
Yeah, it's the same old stuff.
You know, why can't we ask questions?
Because the kind of questions you want to ask, A, have been answered, and already there's no point in asking them anymore, except your point in asking them, which is that, B, the questions are malicious.
So that's why.
That's why you can ask them.
There's just social consequences for those reasons.
And as for the...
There is sometimes a hierarchy of racism.
You know, you see it in white society.
For instance, we've seen it very, in recent years, we've seen it demonstrated in the British Labour Party.
We had the entire, without getting into the details of it, we had the entire thing about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.
There is a problem with racism in the Labour Party, but it's not anti-Semitism, which, you know, pops up there now and again and needs to be stopped and dealt with, but it's much rarer than the anti-black racism and anti-people of colour racism in the Labour Party.
But there was a hierarchy, you know, in the white establishment media, there was a hierarchy of racism operative, because Generally speaking, Jewish people are white, and that's what they were interested in.
They weren't interested in the other racism.
So yeah, but you know, when Nick Fuentes talks about stuff like that, he is just doing what these people do and taking advantage of something to twist it in his direction.
Right.
And certainly a certain, you know, like the Republican Party in the US used accusations of anti-Semitism against Ilhan Omar as a way of tarnishing her, you know, her, you know, democratic ideals and of tarnishing her reputation and trying to, you know, get her You know, out of office, like it's a very cynical ploy.
And Jeremy Corbyn was, you know, this, you know, whatever legitimate criticism we would have of, you know, Corbyn standing in front of a mural one time and being in, putting himself into a couple of situations, you know, I think there's a conversation there.
But, you know, like clearly Jeremy Corbyn is not an anti-Semite in the way that Nick Puentes is an anti-Semite.
I mean, they're not in the same league, they're not in the same fucking sport, to quote Pulp Fiction there.
It's a completely different thing.
Gap lost, I think it's either 40% or 60% of their online sales, terminating their 10-year deal with Ye early.
Companies are losing billions of dollars over 10 years because of high-pressure groups like the ADL, which is a Jewish group, and if you look into its founding, It's Anti-Defamation League.
What's a defamation?
The so-called defamation of the Jewish people.
And it predates the Holocaust, 1913.
ADL, SPLC, demanded that these companies lose billions, canceling Yeh for a tweet, and they capitulated.
Yeh has lost his social media, he's lost his friends, he's lost many of his employees, large parts of his wealth, because he made this comment.
It proves it.
It proves that you've got a Jewish stranglehold over the country in the form of these berserker activist groups like ADL and SPLC with five hundred million dollar endowments money pouring in and ungodly influence.
This is Nick Fuentes doing the ADL, Secretly Controls Everything, the G's are in control of everything.
And just again, spoiler alert for the last clip, the question of, is Nick Fuentes actually anti-Semitic comes up.
A certain person is asked if Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic, and you've listened to that clip now.
I think it's very fucking clear that Nick Fuentes is very fucking anti-Semitic, based on what we just heard.
What's going on in that clip is not the surface-level verbiage he's coming out with.
What's actually going on there is he wants to be openly prejudiced against Jewish people, and he doesn't like the fact that society now, in general, most of the time, doesn't like that and responds badly to it.
That's what we're actually talking about here.
We're talking about organizations and, in response, brands reacting with disapproval to anti-Jewish racism.
You know, because, I mean, on the level of the brands, they're doing it because they don't want to be associated with that because they know the public don't like it, broadly speaking.
And those groups that exist to combat this thing, you know, the Anti-Defamation League And I have my criticisms, but the Anti-Defamation League, whatever you want to say about them, they've been around for a long time because the Jews have been being defamed for a long time, and it's their job to combat this sort of thing.
And so they get in touch with the brands that employ the guy that's been going around saying, I'm going to go DEFCON 3 on the Jews, which sounds like a fucking death threat against an entire group of people.
And they say, do you really want to be associated with this?
And the brands think, Actually, no, we don't.
He's already won because he's defined the Jews as being in control of everything.
If you do that, if you say they're in control of anything and you go in with that as your a priori assumption, then anything that happens anywhere, anything that's done anywhere by anyone can then be selected by you as evidence for the proposition.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And just to put a pin in this, the 1913 reference that the formation of the ADL, the ADL was formed in direct response to the lynching of Leo Frank back in the 1910s.
And there are lots of questions about, like, there's a murder involved and, you know, Was it the Jewish businessman who owned the pencil factory?
I think that's the detail there.
Or one of the African-American laborers.
And somebody killed this girl and possibly raped her.
And who was it who actually did it?
And the Nation of Islam has produced like, you know, like white nationalist groups going back decades have literally spread Nation of Islam materials saying that actually Leo Frank was guilty and the African-American man who kind of went down for the crime was actually was actually innocent.
And so this is more, you know, like stirring up the the kind of, you know, the anti-Semitism within sort of the organized kind of black nationalist, certain types of black nationalist, black supremacist groups.
So, again, that references, it feels very deliberate to me for people who are in the know on this.
So, all right, moving on.
This is just a little bit of a palate cleanser.
Sneeko.
Sneeko, who is our cold opener.
Come on, guys.
Don't get anti-semitic already.
Like, literally, that's how he opens the stream.
It's like, alright, everything's working.
Got everything going on.
Checking the chat.
Chat's working.
Oh, come on, guys.
You can't be anti-semitic now.
Like, you know.
Yeah, save that shit.
You know, it's like...
It shows you just just what these guys are dealing with in terms of what these live streamers are dealing with in terms of what their audience wants, right?
Like that's that's why that that cold open was there.
Sneak.
Oh, I think I'm going to put a link to a Noah Samson video will probably give you the best explanation I can of sneak.
I'm going to put a link to it because I don't spend a lot of time with sneak.
Oh, he has a ton of content.
He was literally like a YouTuber going back when he was like 12 years old, you know, and he's now in his like 20 or 21.
So going back like nine or 10 years, he was like a gaming YouTuber when he was a child and he kind of moved into now he's like a professional, you know, like dating advice guy for these like kind of right wing chuds.
Anyway, what I've told his like older content from a few years ago was actually much more humane.
And he's just gotten more and more right wing as he's gone on.
But I have not done the deep dive on Sneeko.
But this is how Sneeko frames Nick Fuentes.
And Sneeko is like a personal friend of Nick Fuentes now.
Like Sneeko is like he's working with the Entourage and on his live stream, which he did, which Nick Fuentes came on to this live stream and towards the end, this is part of what like how he's like framing this issue.
That's it.
Kanye is a puppet.
Bro, there's these fucking schizos in the chat.
He's not.
Bro, if Ye was a puppet, then why would he have said that?
So I'm glad he said that.
And it's empowering in a way because you can't accuse us of being, like they put it up in the article.
Chat, type a one if you saw that article in the Daily Beast or whatever the fuck.
Some guy, Zach Petrizzo, wrote an article saying, racist YouTuber joins Kanye West campaign.
Fake news with three lies in the title.
One, I'm not a racist.
Sneeko is definitely a racist.
Just just to be clear.
All right, three lies.
Two, I'm a rumbler.
I'm not a YouTuber.
He got kicked off of YouTube on both of his channels, both his main and backup channel, and is now posting to Rumble, which is sort of the right wing, one of the right wing YouTube alternatives.
So I'm not a YouTuber because I get kicked off.
I'm a rumbler now.
That's another lie, as Zac Petrasso said in the headline of his piece.
Yep.
You know, just to be clear, I'm just giving you context.
Three, his name is Ye, not Kanye West.
How fucking petty can you be on this, right?
Oh, well, there you go.
He's gone by Ye for at least the last 10 minutes, and so calling him Kanye West in the headline for a mass audience, this is clearly just a ridiculous lie, just a lie.
Yeah.
That's their integrity demolished, you know.
Three lies in quick succession.
So just straight up lying and it's just like a really pale white guy making an article calling me racist.
Nobody buys it anymore.
I don't think anyone believes it.
Did anyone in the chat actually think I'm racist?
And if you just own it, if you just say, yeah, I'm a racist, I'm a misogynist, I'm an... My chat will tell me whether I'm racist or not.
The people who came in specifically to tune in to me and who are, you know, who I have primed to say, well, I don't call myself a racist, will tell me if I'm being racist or not.
You know, that's the, that's the, that's the true measure, you know.
I'm homophobic.
I'm anti, I'm antisemitic.
I'm a Nazi.
What else do they got?
They got nothing else.
So fuck it.
The best thing to do to fight cancer culture is just own it.
So this is, you know, very reminiscent of the sort of previous sort of alt-right idea of Agree and Amplify, is that if you're in a debate with someone and they call you a racist, you say, yes, I'm a racist.
Make a point.
You know, like, you can't call me a name.
I'm just going to agree to the name and then just say, all right, well, now you actually have to talk to me.
You actually have to respond to my talking points.
And it's just a way of getting their talking points out there.
And this is why I always say, like, the alt-right ultimately won.
You know, I mean, they lost in terms of, like, Donald Trump isn't president anymore, and they didn't get, like, mass deportations at the border.
But You know, in terms of the culture war, in terms of this kind of online, you know, media blitz war, I mean, the alt-right, their ideas from 2016, from 2015, are absolutely mainstream now to wear this, you know, lifestyle blitz.
Like we were saying before, Matt Walsh is now the mainstream right, yeah.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And when that was not the case, I mean, you know, like Bill O'Reilly was the big name in like 2015.
Where's Bill O'Reilly now?
Bill O'Reilly might as well be like Joe Biden.
It's not that bad, but you know what I mean?
Bill O'Reilly is probably to the left of Kyrsten Sinema.
A lot of issues.
One more, I'll save this for the last, and I actually just put this in the show notes at the very end.
And this is a friend of the show, not a friend of the show, Stephen Bonnell, a.k.a.
Destiny.
I promised this was going to come, and it's here.
And this was on, I believe it was Destiny's show.
He was asked by someone, do you think Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic?
And Jack, do you think Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic?
Yes.
Very simple answer.
Destiny spends two minutes and six seconds answering this question.
Do you believe that Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic?
I don't know, but I haven't thought about it a ton.
I'm not sure.
I've only brought him on my show multiple times and had multiple hour conversations about him and his feelings on various racial issues, but I haven't really spent a lot of time thinking about it.
The thing is that there's a lot of different factors at play that make it hard to know 100%.
One is he's very edgy and engages in a lot of edgy humor.
I'm very edgy, and I engage in a lot of edgy humor.
You could absolutely quote mine the fuck out of me in saying edgy things, but you gave two conditions.
One is the actual conspiracy stuff, and the second is the jokes.
I could satisfy the second part, the jokes.
The first part, when you say like, well, is he anti-semitic in terms of it believes in actual conspiracy theories?
At this point, I have to try to tease apart very carefully, like, what are the actual anti-semitic conspiracies versus what are like the kind of like populist, like Jews and the elite are controlling society?
Because the issue you run into is, depending on how broadly you're gonna paint the quote-unquote anti-Semitic brush, now, on the far left, and we actually saw this happen in the UK with Corbyn, and we've seen it happen with the Squad on the left, and some of the anti-Israeli, the BDS, or whatever sentiment and shit in the United States, we've seen it happen here too, where people are quick to say, well, these things make you sound anti-Semitic.
You know, if you oppose Israel, if you're trying to blockade their shit, if you're trying to trade, blah, blah, blah, or, yeah.
So it's just, that's a really, really, really challenging question to answer.
Yeah, go.
Again, just- Don't bring Ilhan Omar and Jeremy Corbyn into this as fucking alibis.
Fuck you.
Yeah, no, exactly.
They were targeted by right-wing smear artists, and both of them made mistakes in this.
Corbyn was too slow to realize what was up with that mural, and Ilhan Omar herself acknowledged all about Benjamin's comment.
Yeah, that's not great, and it's not the same as consistently Making the kinds of statements that Nick Fuentes does.
And Destiny there is falling into the classic trap of thinking, well, is he actually anti-Semitic?
Or does he just say anti-Semitic things?
You are what you do, particularly when you're an online personality.
You are what you do.
You are what you say.
There's no, is he really an anti-Semite, apart from all the anti-Semitic stuff he says.
That is absolute bullshit.
That, you know, only the kind of person that's made a huge amount of money from being quote-unquote edgy on the internet could possibly imagine any sort of distinction there.
Well, and destiny, of course, has a financial incentive to, you know, pretend that this isn't an obvious question because like he needs to be able to maintain, you know, the, the, you know, battle dynamics, the, the debate bro dynamics with people like Nick Fuentes so that he can bring them on his current stream and, you know, derive money from him.
Like that's, this is, this is, you know, just basic stuff in terms of like how this How this financial ecosystem works, you know, like, like this is, you know, I think if you, if Destiny retired tomorrow and you sat down with him in five years and said, like, you know, did you think Nick Fuentes was anti-Semitic?
You go, Oh yeah, God.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Of course he was anti-Semitic, but he can't say that and maintain his, you know what I'm saying?
I mean, I think there's a real reckoning, you know, like one day when like this media ecosystem falls apart, I think, I think you're going to get like the, the impassioned, like the books that come out and like, you know, It's like when, what's his name, the guy who wrote the game, the Manosphere guy.
Neil Strauss.
Neil Strauss, yeah.
He wrote a book years later and he was like, yeah, I felt really bad about all that and now I'm married and I've got kids and I'm just a healthy, happy guy.
And it's like, did you give all that money back?
Absolutely not.
Of course not.
Of course not.
You know, it's going to be the same thing.
You're going to get the same, you know, hand-wringing about it.
It's so despicable.
Destiny is just so bad.
He's just so bad.
I find him infuriating.
Anyway, there's more.
So what you said there, so you said, for example, okay, what do we mean?
Is it just like Jews control the world or is it like Jews and globally control the world?
I would say that both of those probably qualify as anti-Semitic statements.
Would you disagree?
They probably would, I would imagine.
If you think Jews control the world, yeah.
Well, assuming it's not true, right?
Yeah, of course, that's an anti-Semitic statement in general, yeah.
But the problem is that for us to wade into these waters, we're going to have to start to do a ton of analysis, a ton of sophisticated irony and meta-irony analysis.
We're gonna have to make sure that our sources are relevant enough that they're recent, because I don't know about stuff four or five years ago.
No offense to Nick, or take offense.
I don't care about Shady Sam when he was 19 or 20.
He's 24 now.
His beliefs might have changed quite a bit, and the political climate pre and post-Charlottesville has changed.
It's just so much work.
I don't, I just don't care that much.
No, I don't suppose you do.
Nick Fuentes was saying the exact same shit when he was 18 that he's saying now.
He's just saying it in slightly more coded language.
He has said it on Destiny's channel.
He has said it in front of Destiny.
He absolutely still believes all this shit.
There's no question.
Anybody who's paid attention to Nick Fuentes at all knows exactly what he's doing.
You just have to think hard, and you have to think about the meta-text and the text, and how people are really responding and keeping their ironic distance.
This is just that hand-wringing that he has to do in order to Maintain his own plausible deniability for his own stupid far-right beliefs.
It's just despicable behavior.
It's despicable language.
Kanye West is at the center of this ecosystem right now.
For the moment, he is at the center of this ecosystem.
And we haven't even talked about what, again, the actual full-on neo-Nazis are saying about this.
And they are ecstatic to have someone talking openly about the Jews with the kind of reach that Kanye West has.
He is doing real damage to the world right now.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's a pretty good Amanda Marcotte article about this at Salon, where she mentions that Andrew Torber, the founder of Gab, you know, anti-Semitic pseudo-Twitter, he was delighted about the whole thing.
He was saying, oh, the Overton window's been shattered, there's no going back.
And Vincent James, who's the treasurer of Nick Fuentes' America First organization, was over the moon about it as well, because he says it's going to make Fuentes the new Stephen Miller when Trump gets back to the White House, because they've now completely infiltrated the GOP.
Yeah, the only thing, a ruction that I can think of is that Marjorie Taylor Greene was pretty much forced to denounce Nick Fuentes, albeit in a very, well, why do people talk about him so much?
He's not important kind of way, you know, implying that the real problem is the woke media go on and on and on about him.
And I think Nick Fuentes retaliated with a, you know, oh, I'm just completely over Marjorie Taylor Greene thing.
But, you know, listeners of our program will remember Marjorie Taylor Greene appearing at AFPAC 3, and Hello Cancelled Americans, and all that stuff, and them two fawning over each other.
Andrew Torba also spoke at that same conference, just like, you know, 40 minutes after Marjorie Taylor Greene did.
Like, openly spreading Christian identity, you know, synagogue of Satan type language.
Like, that's how far Torba is.
Vincent James, I believe, attended, but did not speak at AFPAC 3, but yeah, Vincent James did attend.
Synagogue of Satan.
But is he anti-Semitic?
I don't know.
There's just so many layers of irony.
I just couldn't possibly figure it out.
It is so frustrating to me that people are still falling for this bullshit.
You know, that we are like six years into this now, you know, like if we start from like Donald Trump's election, you know, if you start that late, like that's the moment in which like maybe there was a justification of like, it's this weird online discourse and we just don't kind of know how to interpret it.
We're six years off from this now, like that can't still be your excuse, you know?
But then again, they've been doing the same bullshit arguments about affirmative action since the 80s.
So, you know, I guess.
It's not that with Destiny and his crowd.
What he's doing there is he's performing this debate bro pontificating where everything's up for discussion and you have to analyze everything and you can't fall into the lazy assumptions that other people fall into.
Because that whole sort of thing, that whole audience, that whole show, that whole manner of being an online show, it's all predicated on this idea that we're the free thinkers, we're the analytical thinkers, we're the clever ones, and everybody else is prepared to just go along with the narrative. we're the clever ones, and everybody else is prepared to And we pick things apart.
So what he's doing there is just performance.
And the picking apart is just obscuring the obvious.
Yeah, and it's just, it's like that kind of, yeah, God, there's so much there.
There's this, there's this, um, you know, the, the idea that like, well, we have to find the right sources and recent sources and you can't just pull up some clip of him make doing the Cookie Monster meme from five years ago and say, well, he's clearly a Holocaust denier.
And it's like, Asshole!
Again, I can pull up a clip he did from yesterday and prove this.
You don't have to look that hard for this.
It's this indignation.
There's this feigned idea of, well, you just can't know what's inside someone's heart.
And this idea that there's this complicated metapolitical game and where we can't just call things as we see them.
It's like, I see somebody saying anti-Semitic things.
I'm like, yeah, Probably an anti-Semite, and when they keep saying it for years, you know, probably an anti-Semite.
Yeah, I don't give a shit what's in his heart.
I'm sure that Jewish people being gunned down in a synagogue won't really care very much what's in anybody's heart, you know.
That's not the point.
The point is that you are what you do, you are what you say, you are the effect you have.
And by the way, you know, if you're so far into Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism that you're making... how do you... burn six million cookie jokes, you know, if you're there and then you change your mind about all that, then I think you'd probably tell everybody in no uncertain terms.
And if you haven't, why not?
Yeah, there'd be there'd be really easy to find clips of Nick Fuentes, like denying all that.
Although David Cole, David Cole Stein, formerly David Cole, has gone on exactly that redemption arc in the last 10 years or so.
He's now just a mainstream Republican activist.
And, you know, he very famously was like the teenage Holocaust denier on the Phil Donahue show back in the 90s.
So maybe there's an episode there.
We'll figure that out.
But yeah, no, he's yeah.
Who knows?
Nick Fuentes.
The next David Cole.
Oh my God.
It's entirely possible.
It's entirely possible.
Okay.
Well, thanks for listening, everybody.
As I say, there is a follow-up bonus episode in which we talk with Holly B about all things Kanye or yay or yeah.
So that'll be along pretty soon after this one.
And, uh, Do we have any idea what we're doing next?
I'm still prepping on something with the Club Q shooting and sort of the rising wave of transphobia around that.
Matt Wall should be a central figure in that episode.
So I might be able to get that one done for what's coming up.
But who knows?
Or, you know, it might just be if Chris Cantwell comes back before I get that prepped, then maybe we'll just talk about Chris Cantwell somewhere, because I'm sure his first episode is going to be a banger.
So we'll see.
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