114: Jesse Dunstan and Peaceful Ethnic Cleansing - TRS Behind the Paywall
We've been away but now we have returned and your ears will be sorry... largely because we're back with a soft-reboot episode in which we go back to our roots, i.e. the proper nazis... specifically, the cesspit that is the TRS podcast. In this show we take you behind the paywall and present a catalogue of hideousness, focusing on TRS co-host Jesse Dunstan (AKA Sven) and his various thoughts on ethic cleansing ('peaceful', of course), how to react properly to mass shootings by genocidal racists (don't deny, celebrate), the Holocaust (guess what he thinks), and why certain people should be forced to justify their right to exist. In the process, Dunstan is discovered mirroring the recorded words of one Heinrich Himmler (several times), Daniel speaks earnestly about his recent difficulties, and Jack gets more familiar with the appearance of the n-word as a waveform than he ever wanted or expected to. It's a long one. Bits of it are very grim. But we think it might be one you'll remember. Content Warnings. Obviously. Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent. Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618 IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Episode Notes: "Did We Win?", an analysis of Unite the Right five years out by friend of the show Emily Gorcenski. IDSG Episode 9, Mike Enoch and The Daily Shoah IDSG Episode 52, Genocide and The Right Stuff Angry White Men, "Pool Party's Closed: A Timeline of the Right Stuff's Meltdown" Johnny Monoxide at the SPLC Chip Rowe, The Highlands Current, "The Extremist Next Door" Himmler Speech in Posen (Poland) in October 4, 1943. I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that is easily said. “The Jewish people is being exterminated,” every Party member will tell you “perfectly clear, it’s part of our plans, we’re eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, a small matter.” And then along they all come, all the 80 million upright Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. They say: all the others are swine, but here is a first-class Jew. And . . . none of them has seen it, has endured it. Most of you will know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 are there or when there are 1000. And . . . to have seen this through and—with the exception of human weakness—to have remained decent, has made us hard and is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. Because we know how difficult things would be, if today in every city during the bomb attacks, the burdens of war and privations, we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and instigators. We would probably be at the same stage as 16/17, if the Jews still resided in the body of the German people. End note: We have taken away the riches that they had, and . . . I have given strict order, which Obergruppenführer Pohl has carried out, we have delivered these riches to the Reich, to the State. We have taken nothing from them for ourselves. A few, who have offended against this, will be judged in accordance with an order, that I gave at the beginning: he who takes even one Mark of this is a dead man. A number of SS men have offended against this order. They are very few, and they will be dead men WITHOUT MERCY! We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people, to kill this people who would kill us. We however do not have the right to enrich ourselves with even one fur, with one Mark, with one cigarette, with one watch, with anything. That we do not have. Because we don’t want, at the end of all this, to get sick and die from the same bacillus that we have exterminated. I will never see it happen that even one . . . bit of putrefaction comes in contact with us, or takes root in us. On the contrary, where it might try to take root, we will burn it out together. But altogether we can say: We have carried out this most difficult task for the love of our people. And we have suffered no defect within us, in our soul, in our character. Posen speech (with English translation) on YouTube Holocaust Controversies, Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau
Alright, so repeat what you just said, because we could hear it, but it was a little choppy.
I just wanted to get it clearer for the record.
The first time my wife met Mike, and we were leaving, and she's like, babe, he's Jewish, right?
I'm like, no, he's not.
He's Serbian and Norwegian.
I've seen his 23andMe.
And she looked at me and she's like, babe, he's fucking Jewish.
Stop it.
This is I Don't Speak German.
I'm Jack Graham, he/him, and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he/him, who spent years tracking the far right in their safe spaces.
In this show we talk about them, and about the wider reactionary forces feeding them and feeding off them.
Be warned, this is difficult subject matter.
Content warnings always apply.
In Xanadu did Kublai Khan, a stately Pleasuredome decree, and I've been there, it's nice.
But I'm back now, so we can do another episode of I Don't Speak German, the podcast that is so impregnated with fentanyl that you must not handle it, because if you do, you will immediately die of a heart attack.
This is episode 114, just 114, not 11488, because some 14s are just innocent.
And I'm back with Daniel, which is great.
114.88, because some 14s are just innocent.
And I'm back with Daniel, which is great.
Daniel, hello.
Hello.
Great to be back.
Although this one got delayed a little bit because of, you know, various personal things and, uh, uh, episode related things, but you know, we're here and we're hopefully going to get this done today.
And, uh, really enjoy a nice, a nice trip back to, you know, going back to form and talking about the right stuff for a while.
That's really where we're going to be today.
So.
Yes, yes indeed.
This is actually our second attempt at mounting this episode.
Various things have snarled it up for us, but we're here now, and that's what matters.
And as you say, it's back to kind of IDSG classic, you know, our original USP, our original remit, our original beat, because we're back with the TRS guys, aren't we?
So yeah, but first of all, I think we want, we have to mark an anniversary, don't we?
Because it's, yeah, it's just gone.
We didn't quite catch it, but it's just gone.
Yeah, it has been five years since the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
And it's just like one of those.
I was expecting it to be like, I was expecting there to be more, you know, if that makes sense.
I was expecting like five years to like, For there to be, like, more of a, like, kind of public memory.
But I do feel like it just sort of, um, in the circles where I've been online, you know, it was kind of sort of noted, um, Emily Gerchinsky, uh, published a very nice piece, uh, kind of talking about, um, her experiences, uh, since then.
Um, and I'll put that in the show notes and, you know, there was a little bit of conversation about it, but, you know, ultimately it was just, uh, you know, to a certain degree, I think, uh, people have kind of, um, Let it pass, unless you're one of the people directly impacted by it, which obviously that's not me.
I'm not speaking for myself, but it was, I don't know.
I just wanted to take a moment and just remember.
Just how far things have come in five years.
And I think that part of going back to The Right Stuff and part of going back to the OG alt-right Nazis for a while is part of that memory and part of reminding that.
And we are going to be recovering some ground today that we did in previous episodes.
And I think probably things that people either don't remember or didn't hear because they never went back and listened to those early episodes.
So, Again, I think we've just kind of been at this long enough that it's worth kind of And I just wanted to, you know, remember the people who fought and bled and some of whom who died that day.
Yeah.
And the courage that I saw from those people, you know, from afar, obviously, but the courage that I saw from those people, it never ceases to inspire me.
So, I don't want to get mad about that, but, you know, it's absolutely true.
Yeah.
We're going back to original ground, because it is kind of weird.
We've been at this so long, but it is strange to think that we might have regular listeners, and of course they're very welcome, but we might have regular listeners who need some of this ground gone over again.
Yep, exactly.
We are going to expand on earlier stuff, because we're not just going to recover things.
I had originally thought about just recovering certain topics, but I don't want to prep it, and I don't think you want to edit it, and I don't think a lot of our listeners want to listen to me explain the details of what the right stuff is again.
Um, there is a prior episode, um, which, you know, was valid, which was, you know, accurate at the time.
And we're just going to kind of be building on top of that.
So we'll put the, um, the link to that original episode, um, in the show notes so that you can kind of go back and I'll put some links to some of the details about the background here.
Um, but I think what we're really going to do is we're going to start focusing on some of the individual players within this ecosystem, within the kind of the right stuff and the National Justice Party, um, You know, kind of ages, we're going to get we're going to talk about, you know, the kind of the larger ecosystem there.
And we're going to talk about how like how individual players that don't get as much attention sort of work within that ecosystem.
And we're going to use their own words to talk about them.
And today, I think the the plan is going to be to talk about the sort of the member of the right stuff crew who gets talked about the least.
Because, in many ways, he's the least interesting and sort of the least sort of out there.
He's the least vocal.
Good advert for the rest of the show there, listeners.
We're going to be talking about the least interesting of these guys.
He's the one who tends to, you know, kind of stick in the background.
He's kind of more like the jokey hype man, you know, of the show, as opposed to the ideological leader.
We're going to be talking about Sven or Jesse Dunstan.
Jesse Dunstan is his real name.
This is well known.
He goes by that real name, but he also goes by Sven.
If I use Sven or Jesse, I sometimes use them interchangeably because of my head.
It's just the same person.
I will try to stick to Jesse, but if I say Sven, I mean, it's the same guy.
Anyway, there's also a link to the original docs from Angry White Man when he and Mikey Knight got doxed in the early 2017.
And then I'll put there and that's going to give you at least some of the background at the time.
Anyway, there's a lot of information out there for these guys, but we're going to talk about him and what sort of a criminal justice system in the in the ethnostate looks like for him and for the people within this movement, you know, and what, you know, peaceful ethnic cleansing kind of actually means for these guys.
So, we're going to be talking about genocide today, and there's going to be a whole lot of things that Jack's going to have to bleep out.
I'll let him make judgements about exactly how much bleeping to do, but there is a lot of bigotry and slurs that are going to be in here, and there's a lot of talk about the Holocaust.
So, just buckle in.
This is going back to IDHG Classic, which means we kind of have to talk about ethnic slurs in the Holocaust.
Yeah, this is full-on, you know, I mean, as awful as Heather Hying is, you know, we're going back to the old school, proper sort of full-on Nazi.
Right.
And at the end, we're going to sort of plug back into exactly how this kind of rhetoric gets pushed by the more centrist-y, kind of more mainstream-y types like Elisha Schaffer and, you know, the people in his orbit.
Buckle in.
I think it's going to be a fun episode.
Not fun, but I think it's going to be an interesting episode for people.
And I think we should just dig in.
Very brief.
TheRightStuff.biz is a website.
It was founded in 2012.
The podcast, The Daily Show, is their primary product.
It starts in 2014.
TRS also carries the Fashion of the Nation podcast.
Those are the two headline shows.
And beginning actually right around the Unite the Right rally, I mean, whether coincidentally or not, however you want to view that, they started a paywall where you pay 10 bucks a month and you get access to kind of call-in shows, you get access to sideline content.
And if you get access to it and start listening to it, then increasingly you realize that they sort of use the paywall content As a way of sort of preparing what the talking points are going to be for the main show.
Because in front of the paywall, you get two episodes of the Daily Show all week, and then there's a third episode.
The Friday show typically is behind the paywall.
And they used to do like two Fashion Nations a week, and one of them would be a paywall show and the other would be, you know, kind of in front.
And then they do some other stuff.
And for a long time, ever since the beginning, Jazz Hands McFeels and Jesse would do a show called J&J, Jazz and Jesse, or J&J.
And Jazz Hands is sort of, he's still doing Fascination, but he's only doing it once a week, and he's kind of stepped away a little bit.
And so Jesse Dunstan has been doing a show called Just Jesse.
And that's where he kind of sits for an hour and just talks into a microphone.
And if you listen to this content, you know, some of the things that you learn about Jesse are, you know, just how petty a man he is.
He is our age.
He's in his forties.
Very famously, he will talk about like the experiences that he has with customer service.
Like he was at the mall Wendy's at 5.50 and they're supposed to close at 6 and they were already shutting down for the day and he was incensed that he could not get his fast food because they were closing 10 minutes early.
Much of his content is of that intellectual caliber.
He will have started to explain to them how they're, you know, symptoms of degenerate, destroyed culture.
He would have gotten a literal, Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Exactly.
Of course, in his telling, these are all black people, although he doesn't use the term black people, obviously, you know.
And so, of course, that's why, because they're just lazy people who are not willing to work.
It says, I went back the next week and that Wendy's had closed.
And you start to think there might be another story here, which is it was a failing Wendy's and the minimum wage employees were just like, fuck this.
I'm not going to be here anymore.
They're going to fire me anyway, so why not close down 30 minutes early?
That seems much more reasonable than to assume that an entire race of people is just inherently incapable of working to 6 p.m.
But, you know, I'm not a genocidal racist.
Yeah, I've just been made redundant by a downsizing corporation that, you know, doesn't give a shit about me.
I'm working out my last week before I go and start trying to find a job to keep myself alive.
I'm not going to really bust my arse to make sure that this obnoxious, petty, middle-aged white guy gets his food as quickly as he thinks he's entitled to.
Yeah, maybe that's better sociology than his explanation.
Yeah, could be, could be.
So there's a lot of that kind of stuff, and we're not really going to cover that today, because we have other things to go with.
And our sort of entry point into the clips is actually going to be, and I do apologize to everyone for inflicting Ethan Ralph on you, and I know that like, those in the know know exactly who Ethan Ralph is, and those not in the know don't have any reason to know who Ethan Ralph is, but There may be an episode about Ethan Ralph in the Killstream coming forward.
of charisma, Ethan Ralph.
Yeah.
There may be an episode about Ethan Ralph and the Killstream coming forward.
I don't really want to have to prep that, but there are ways into that that I may be able to tolerate producing the episode.
We'll see.
But Ethan Ralph, he's sort of a former Gamergate guy.
He was a very early Gamergate guy.
Whipped up a bunch of harassment campaigns.
On his show, he often covers the sort of internecine battles between various people in this kind of far-right ecosystem.
He hosts a lot of debates.
But there's a lot of, like, drama streams, you know, it's a lot of just, you know, whatever's happening, you know, in this world in which these people are just, like, snipping away at each other and, like, throwing shit at each other.
And so it's useful in that way, because, you know, I mean, among other things, Ethan Ralph was recently in a personal battle with none other than Elijah Schafer, because apparently, apparently, Ethan Ralph was going to be invited on to You Are Here a few months ago before it collapsed.
And, uh, somebody said no to that.
Somebody who was not Elijah Schaefer said no to that.
And, um, the details on this are still coming out.
So I'm, I'm, I don't, I don't know.
Uh, but I would be fascinated to watch these two actually, uh, get on a live stream together personally.
Um, so we're, we're holding out hope that that happens, but Elijah Schaefer might be slightly smarter than that.
Might be slightly smarter than to go on Ethan Ralph's show.
But anyway.
So, one thing that happened was... Talk to James Lindsay instead, Elijah.
I think that's already... Well, at least they've both been on Tim Pool's show.
I don't think they've been on together.
Man, I mean, I know that they did.
That's right.
He went on slightly offensive, right?
Yeah.
No, I was.
Yeah.
God, so much has happened in the last two weeks.
Anyway, so, but there was a recent shakeup at TRS because one of the other guys, you know, a few months ago, a guy named Johnny Monoxide, and that's his, you know, false name, conspiracy theorist, It's short and air, you know, just the dumbest conspiracies you've ever heard in your life.
We will probably be doing a parallel on this episode.
And I've listened to Jimmy Dore, so... No, no, I mean, Jimmy Dore is an intellectual titan compared to Johnny Minoxidil.
We're going to get into a little bit of what Johnny Monoxide believes and like the way he does his he does his work.
But Johnny Monoxide does this podcast.
He still has a full time job.
He's like an electrician, I believe.
But he had some like just personal drama with the TRS crew.
But the way he sort of got into the TRS crew was he sort of became friends with Jesse Dunst because they were both dads.
They were both, you know, kind of did, you know, manual labor.
They had a lot of things in common.
They're both from New York or New Jersey.
And, you know, they just sort of They had a lot in common.
They were both racist.
And they're like, hey, you know, that was that was kind of how Johnny Moxley kind of came within the fold.
And he was producing for a while.
One of the Colin shows, one of the, you know, the two person kind of hangout shows behind the paywall.
He didn't do it as religiously as some of the other guys did, but, you know, he was a paid TRS crew member.
And so from the early days, from like 2016 or earlier.
So when he has a big falling out and goes on Ethan Ralph's show to talk about it, I'm interested.
I'm interested.
So our cold open comes from this show, by the way, this kind of TRS exposed Ralph Report, Ralph Retort, you know, kill stream show.
And The reason I think it's funny is because this Mike Enoch is a Jew thing just keeps coming back over and over again.
It is completely unsubstantiated by anybody who knows anything about this history.
Not that I care whether Mike Enoch or Mike Pinovich is Jewish or not, but the fact that all of these people care so much, and it is the instant thing, and it is the dumbest thing imaginable.
It is just the dumbest thing imaginable.
Um, the argument is so specious.
It is so bad.
Um, also the fact that I'm talking about it, is Adele going to make all the Nazis who might be listening to this wonder if I'm playing a game with them or not?
Like, am I part of the controlled opposition that's like protecting Mike Enoch when really as the Antifa, shouldn't I be telling you that he is a Jew to like drive wedges between you?
Or maybe that's the op that I'm doing.
I'm just doing that op to prove something or other, and all of this is just the ambiguity.
I'm just using my mind powers to convince people.
I want to make it clear to any Nazis who are listening to this that that is exactly what we are doing.
We are playing 17-dimensional chess with your minds.
Absolutely.
We are doing the 13, 12 dimensional chess to counter your 88 dimensional chess.
So, um, yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
My, my, my chess is taking place on the surface of a hypercube.
You can't even.
Anyway, we should start with our, um, with our first clip here, which is just kind of, um, it's talking about a certain person who was, you know, unnamed person to be clear.
And no one, none of these people just to be clear, just at the outset.
Ethan Ralph is not denouncing TRS because he doesn't believe the things that they believe.
Johnny Monoxide is not denouncing TRS because he doesn't believe the things that they believe.
They are personally dissatisfied with their kind of relationships, and they think there is degeneracy going on within TRS, and there's a lot of juicy gossip about these people.
I almost did a whole episode just about, like, the allegations here, and I do happen to have been in contact with people who have been sort of involved in, who were involved in TRS kind of in low levels early on, and who, you know, kind of got out early, and I was able to kind of, like, share this with and say, what's your opinion here?
And, you know, pretty routinely it's like, you know, I told them what I thought, and they told me what they thought, and, you know, there's a consensus that, yeah, I've got the right take on this.
So, I feel comfortable saying, like, what I'm playing here seems, I think it's probably something that happened.
So, um, I'm just gonna hit play.
This is about a minute and twenty seconds long, and it's, um, kind of talking, Johnny Monoxide talking about, um, A fight, a little interaction he had with Jesse over someone who was in their group.
So let's just hit play.
A month later, a month later, instead of saying, hey, dude, why did you say that about Stryker?
You know, no, he told everybody to cut me off.
And those people that had actually employed me and were friends of mine, they don't speak to me anymore because of this shit, because of some petty fucking bullshit.
That's the kind of people these fuckers are.
You know what's funny?
Go ahead.
I don't want to stop you.
Go ahead.
It's just ridiculous, you know, and then I get fucking threatened.
Oh, it's just some guy online talking to shit, Johnny.
No, no, I don't take it.
I don't take it as talking shit when somebody who's met my wife and children.
Certainly.
Certainly an interesting detail there.
who has a violent streak.
The guy who sent me death threats actually live streamed himself and another person beating up an old Jew on Facebook. - Certainly an interesting detail there.
The background here, of course, that "Generon Monoxide" had had a bad interaction with Eric Stryker, AKA Joseph Jordan, Joseph Jordan is his real name.
He goes by Eric Stryker.
And at one of their events, Stryker got super wasted, which is not at all surprising.
What do you think about Eric Stryker?
And was Just being an asshole.
Which is also not surprising, if you know anything about Eric Stryker.
Exactly.
None of this is at all surprising.
This was years ago.
This is not even the recent case.
This is years ago.
He continued to produce content with them, under their mantle.
After this incident, so this isn't even like the breaking point, you know, the breaking point comes like later and essentially he just gets sort of like, you know, you know, banished from the TRS brand over like some petty personal bullshit between, you know, Jesse and Stryker and, you know, and Monoxide.
But the idea that there was somebody who had literally live streamed himself on Facebook beating up some Jewish person.
And that's not the issue.
That's not the issue.
The issue is, now this person is coming after me because you have banished me and now I'm a persona non grata.
That's the thing for Johnny Monoxide here.
So again, this is a pit of vipers.
This is a pit of like terrible, terrible people.
There are no decent human beings in this bunch, you know.
But the idea that like, no, this person is part of the group, so he gets to just kind of stick around and he didn't say anything nasty about Eric Stryker.
That's the, you know, the loyalty runs deep there.
So I just want to, I just want to highlight that.
And no one has named this person.
No one, I didn't find any, no one even asked like, well, who was this guy who was doing this?
That's not the issue for these guys.
It's just, you know, he's a guy, he's one of our guys and therefore protected apparently.
Let's just finish this clip.
That's the kind of person.
So I don't trust that person to not be stupid enough and do something stupid.
So I sent the screenshots of that to fucking Jesse and instead of doing something about it, he deleted the message and blocked me and then proceeded to make fun of me for it to other people in his little private chats.
Like, dude, do you understand that a guy who has a criminal record is the assistant leader of your, a node of your little white nationalist national network And he's threatening, you know, to kill somebody.
You don't think that maybe you might want to say something, you know?
No, it's a joke.
It's just fucking words online, John.
It's no big deal.
How are you surprised by this?
Have you, have you met each other?
I actually believe that they are non-violent.
That's the thing.
It's like, no, no, we're not the violent ones.
We're the family, man.
We're the basic guys.
We'll respond to violence, but we don't do violence ourselves.
And then when they find this sort of violence percolating around them, it's just like, well, he was just a bad apple.
He was just a bad guy.
And then, again, off the reservation.
Sorry, that's a bad metaphor here, I suppose.
That's how they treat this.
There's these very strong levels of willful blindness.
You have to have it in order to be a Nazi, and you particularly have to have it in order to be in this crew.
Everything you hear from people who get out of it or people who get disenchanted with it, whether they get away ideologically or whether they get away just physically or whatever, it just sounds like they are just the worst kinds of people.
Just the worst kind of people, even aside from the neo-Nazi beliefs.
Just for another example related to Johnny Monoxide, in terms of the anger that Jesse Dunstan has towards him when he gets frustrated, we need to talk about Johnny Monoxide's response to the Christchurch massacre.
Which was, you know, that news kind of popped up, you know, middle of the day, you know, in the US time zone.
Johnny has to go to work.
He has to, you know, he has a building trade.
So he has to, he can't look at the video right away, which everybody was doing instantly, you know, in this, in these circles, they all just got immediately online and needed to like obsess over the details of it.
But, you know, he, he said, like, I took like one look at it and I went, Oh, well, that's, that's a Fed now that this is, this is, this is all fake.
You know, the video is fake and everything.
Without even, like, just looking at people's comments, and I believe I have screenshots of his tweets from back when he was on Twitter, of, like, going through this and, like, talking about, like, all the reasons that he thought it was fake, you know, and etc, etc.
But the conspiracy, you know, the dumb conspiracy version of like, you know, oh, you can't see the clips at the floor.
You can't hear.
And that's like later on, right?
That's like down the line a couple of days after you had actually had a chance to like do the rigorous analysis of like the pixelization of things, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah.
The Daily Show, I happen to be recording a paywall show.
This is episode 417.
And this is a bit of like a famous moment in TRS history, because of the way that Jesse Dunstan reacted to Dynamite Oxide's refusal to believe that the Christchurch Massacre was a real thing.
Just going into this clip, I'm going to give you the context here.
What Sven or what Jesse is saying here is that if you believe that all of these incidents are fake, you're just giving weight to the idea that our issues aren't real, and that there is not an ongoing replacement of white people, that there is not this global conspiracy to genocide white people.
Because It denies the agency of white people to be frustrated with the fact that they are being genocided and to lash out at the world in this way.
To embrace this anger, it gives you a talking point.
It gives you a way of Getting into people's minds, and it gives you a way of exerting political power, ultimately, because then you can use the argument, which we've seen in other ways, in much more respectable right-wing circles, that, look, you have to give us certain types of political concessions, or you're going to get more and more of these massacres.
You're going to get more and more of this.
Or we'll hurt you, yeah.
Yeah.
Or, someone who sees the truth, quote-unquote, will do this because they don't see another way out, essentially.
Yeah, that's right.
Someone who will be pushed to the edge.
Yeah.
The standard line that you get from these guys is, you know, legally with due process.
That is, we want to, you know, We want to do these things legally and with due process.
We want to execute people legally and with due process, which means we want to take control of the apparatus of the state and just make certain types of things legal.
That's what the rest of this episode is going to be about.
What do they actually want to make legal?
What do they actually want to do?
Right?
We're going to kill you all, but we'll have a nice meeting, and we'll get all the various people from the various ministries together, and we'll work it out legally, and we'll write down the notes and keep them.
Yeah.
And they have legitimate desire to gain power.
This is not shitposting on the internet for them.
This is a legitimate political project in their minds.
This is when we will take power, hopefully in our lifetimes, and this is what we're going to do.
When we do.
Now, do I think that's likely?
Of course not.
But, we've come a long way in the last five years.
Let's be clear about it.
It's just the age-old split personality, split honesty thing.
It's emblematic in the Holocaust denial thing, isn't it?
Which can be summed up as, it didn't happen.
Rackets, but it was good that it happened.
It's just that old tension written large between two people.
The instinct to deny and the instinct to celebrate the savagery.
We're going to get there very shortly.
First, let's listen to the classic clip from TRS episode 417.
Find the paywall.
I'll put a harp sound effect here.
Most of the rest of these clips are behind the paywall, so you know They're gonna be very bad at me.
It's it's gonna be great.
Yeah, so alright.
Are you done like the baiting over there?
You know Alright, so what time are we?
No, he's simmering.
He's doing that thing where he sits there.
You can see it in his eyes.
He's so mad right now.
He hasn't watched the footage!
And he's telling me it's not fair that I'm BTFO-ing him, and essentially, he doesn't get to say his piece.
You don't have a piece!
You haven't looked yet!
You're just assuming, because you have a conspiracy, for the audience to pander to, that there's something fishy about this, when there's not!
And if you hadn't looked, if you want to be Mr. Conspiracy Guy, look at the event before you start being skeptical of it!
I'm a bit surprised he hasn't watched the video.
He hasn't watched it and he's posting all over Facebook and he's skeptical of what happened.
He's like, fuck you, watch it, then be skeptical.
You can be wrong, but you can't be totally uninformed, out of the loop, and be wrong, and expect me not to get red-faced and yell.
See, this is like the someone is wrong on the internet thing.
This is like the most- This is like something- Someone is wrong about saving white civilization!
Someone is wrong about how to deal with the consequences of what took place yesterday!
The fucking world has changed, man!
This is it!
This is the fucking pivot point of the whole fucking fight!
I'm not fucking joking!
This is a fucking major pivot point in this whole fucking thing, and he's pissing it away!
Pissing it away on fucking- It doesn't matter!
He didn't mention the JQ enough!
I don't know!
Smells like glow-in-the-dark shit to me!
Fuck you!
You haven't even smelled it yet!
How do I turn this off?
Look- I can't believe what we're dealing with!
Like, stop coping!
Yes, alright.
The wall's not being built, and the white kid shot the Muslims in New Zealand!
He was fed up, he did it!
Jesse Dunstan, voice of relative reason, question mark?
Yeah, I know, right?
This is the horrifying thing.
I mean, of all of these people, he's the one that's making sense?
Within this twisted worldview, to be clear.
If you believe the things that they obviously believe, he's the one speaking with some kind of position of epistemic authority here.
Yeah, clearly it happened.
Clearly this is something that actually happened.
Um, which the other TRS guys also believe.
Like, they didn't go into the conspiracy.
They're more, um, saying, you know, don't freak out about it live on air.
Live to tape anyway.
Um, cause they record and then release.
Um, they don't actually produce them live.
Although some of the Colin shows are produced live, but, um, yeah, no, that's, that's, you know, like, that's, it gives you a hint of who Jesse Dunstan is.
Like this, this is, this is, How his brain works.
And look, that's him being fed up and just angry at a buddy for being dumb.
But underneath it, you can see the political agenda.
You can see what's really going on in his head.
You're ruining this moment to take advantage of this thing by spreading your conspiracy bullshit.
That's essentially his logic there.
Yeah, the conspiracy balls is getting in the way of the message and the message should be, yeah, the guy did it and he was, I don't know, maybe they wouldn't say he was right to do it, but they would say it's completely understandable that he did it because these, you know, the white replacement thing is happening.
That's it.
He's angry about them pushing the wrong conspiracy theory.
No, not that conspiracy theory.
The other bigger one that's more fundamental to our worldview.
Let's push that one instead.
And they end up fighting with, you know, sort of these other kind of, you know, fascist or fascist adjacent, you know, people online.
Specifically on this issue of, you know, look, we don't want to talk about seed oils and how, like, the seed oil industry is effeminizing men, even though it might be.
Because ultimately, it detracts attention from the Jewish question.
It detracts attention from our need to root out the Jews.
That's the issue.
That's what this comes down to.
And they have this increasingly laser-like focus in their politics on that, hours and hours and hours of content a week.
Devoted to that thing.
It's just, how are the Jews involved?
What do they do?
What are they doing to hurt white people?
What are they doing to exterminate white people?
How are they doing this today?
And that's the entire focus of their political project.
Even when they get off on African Americans, or when they get off on immigrants, or they get off on whatever, it always comes back to you, it's the Jews.
It's just the Jews.
That's the major plank of their political platform, is if we just got rid of the Jews one way or another, we wouldn't have to worry about this anymore.
All the other problems are solved once we can do that thing.
And that's That's it.
And this will become very clear to you in the rest of our clips.
So.
Yay!
Yeah.
I got a couple of clips.
I got a few clips from a couple of episodes of the Just Jesse Show, where he kind of sits and he, you know, sometimes he'll talk about, you know, playing guitar.
He's a former, uh, he's, he's a musician.
He actually does have like serious, like kind of like music, musical training and, um, Um, kind of music production training.
Um, he actually does all the backend audio work for, um, for TRS for, for a bunch of those shows.
Like he sets up on the microphones and gets everything, you know, kind of working properly.
And that's how they get, you know, quality audio when he's not around.
You could tell a difference in the audio quality of their recordings for sure.
I mean, in the end, that's sort of his, that's one of his major roles in the, in the content.
So, but he was sitting on, um, just Jesse and just sort of like talking by himself into a microphone.
What did you do in the final solution?
I was the audio guy.
That sums him up as well as, you know, anything.
He starts talking about Daryl Brooks.
Now, Daryl Brooks is a man who we are going to be talking about a lot in the next episode, because he is the man who ran over and injured 56 people and killed six in Waukesha, Wisconsin at a Christmas parade at the end of 2021.
And the terrorist crew and the National Justice Party has used sort of that terrible, terrible incident to push for their genocidal agenda, you know?
And I mean, look, the details of that are horrifying, of course, and we have no reason.
And again, we will talk a lot more about this next week, but our next episode So we're just going to kind of leave that there for now.
But this is Jesse just sort of riffing on his kind of solo show, Behind the Paywall, where Mike can't shut him up.
Nobody can make him stop.
About what he would like to see happen to people like Daryl Brooks.
And this is probably the clip that's going to need the most bleeping of all of them.
And I do deeply apologize to everyone for that.
But I think it's worth hearing Jesse in his own words and what a criminal justice system in this ethnostate would sort of look like in his mind.
I want a local, I want the local jurisdiction of Waukesha.
What should have happened on that faithful day in November when that Christmas parade was mowed down by that fucking terrorist piece of shit, Daryl Brooks.
That fucking wife-beating, drug-abusing, bipolar, abu-uh, fucking... What do they say about his upbringing?
I can't remember.
His abusive relationship with his parents?
Well, I don't give a fuck.
Basically, all this broken-home n****r shit that he grew up with that made him into the n****r that he is.
When that n****r fucking plowed through that parade, what should've happened is anybody who wasn't injured should've been getting ahold of that car, they should've dragged him out, he should not have survived.
There's no reason to fucking throw that n***er to the justice system to be handled appropriately.
No.
He should have been killed right then and there.
He should have been made to suffer.
The cops should have either helped or stood down and looked the other way and whistled.
All the evil things that Jews say that our countrymen did To blacks.
Over the centuries.
Should have been done to him right there.
All of that should have came true.
Because it's what they fucking deserve.
It's what he in particular deserves.
And it's what that entire race basically deserves by proxy.
Because they're an accessory to every crime every d*** has ever done.
And I'm not embarrassed to say that because they say that about me and you.
You and I are accessory to every genocidal blah blah blah that they've made up about white people.
Well fuck you d***.
You're an accessory to every five guys fucking fast food shooting.
You're an accessory to every Outback Steakhouse armed robbery.
You're an accessory to every fucking, uh, uh, let's, let's think of another one.
Carjacking gone wrong that ended in murder that got you acquitted because you were afraid for your life while you were carjacking a guy that he would kill you, so you killed him first.
You're every black, every n**** on the hook for everything any of your n****s ever done.
Those are the rules now.
Those are the rules.
And Daryl Brooks, and any n**** who didn't like it, should have been stoned to death right there on the street.
At the parade.
What we hear here, of course, is he has a very different response to Daryl Brooks' crime than he did to James Alex Fields, obviously.
James Alex Fields is the man, the child, who killed Heather Heyer and injured 26 other people in Charlottesville, and intentionally, intentionally did so.
Um, which was adjudicated in a trial, of course, as a fake trial, of course, you know, whatever the judicial system.
Um, but you know, it had the people of Charlottesville torn James Alex Fields out of his car after he did that and stoned him to death as is.
Implied is proper justice here.
Of course, they would not have responded in the same way to that.
But that's not a double standard for them because, well, James Alex Fields is not an N-word.
And of course, that's just how it works.
We have to take these realities into account.
And also, the logic here is the reason that we are doing this now is because a certain group of people, the Jews, have slandered us, have, you know, blood libeled us.
White people, not Nazis, not racists, but white people, all white people are complicit in the crimes of colonialism, you know.
And are worthy of being wiped out because of these lies they've told, right?
And not like an objective view of history, and the issue of complicity is not an issue.
The issue is of responsibility, and responsibility to right those wrongs, ultimately.
I don't feel guilty for colonialism.
I just feel the obligation to try to make a better world in the rubble of colonialism.
That's the logic, but that's not how they're programmed to see it that way.
They don't see that as the answer.
It's just, well, all white people are being bludgeoned with this, and it's the Jews who have done it, ultimately.
They choose to interpret everything via their pre-existing convictions and their pre-existing desire to see themselves as the unfairly attacked victims.
So whatever happens, they just twist it around so that it means that.
That's it.
Right.
And again, you can see, like, you know, the cops should just either participate or should just walk away.
And of course, that's exactly what lynching, what the lynching system was, you know?
Either the cops were complicit in it, or either they performed some of these acts, or they were complicit by, you know, actively turning the other eye, you know?
Like, that's...
That's what he wants.
And his logic is, it didn't happen in the past, but it should.
That's literally the logic he's using, completely unironically.
I think there's a lot of conversation about the alt-right, or the former alt-right, and that it's this drenched in irony subculture, and it's just drenched in this verbal wordplay, and it's drenched in, you can't tell what anybody's saying at any time, because they're always Half joking and half not.
You listen to this, it doesn't take a lot of context to understand.
Yes, he's sort of using evocative language and he's sort of drawing up, to a certain degree, a sort of caricature, but he means this.
The fundamental truth is this is not coming from a place of some weird anti-comedy.
This is what he believes.
This is what he believes.
Maybe some of the public-facing stuff is sort of ironic and backward-facing and so on and so forth.
But we're behind the paywall.
We're behind the curtain.
This is where they're honest.
This is speaking to a literally paying audience.
Yes.
This is amongst themselves when they think we're not listening.
And this is where they say what they mean, obviously.
And if you listen to that clip and it sounds like irony, no.
I mean, my take is that you're just listening to somebody completely unselfconsciously engaging in the kind of mental gymnastics that they need to in order to make this bass-ackwards twisted belief system work for them.
That's all I hear.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
This nice clip starts just a few seconds later.
I've done a lot of clipping into extended clips and producing them so that we can break it up a little bit because there was just a lot to go through here.
So this next clip, it actually starts just a few seconds later and it's...
Jesse talking about what should have happened to Daryl Brooks, or what should happen to him now, I guess is the better context.
And again, this gets into fanciful rhetorical places, but there's a reality here.
This is fundamentally the worldview that these people have.
Daryl Brooks's body should be in an open casket.
He should be preserved With some kind of, you know, whatever they do there to make sure something doesn't... It should be like Lenin's tomb.
You should just be there.
So that the citizens of Waukesha, surrounding cities and states, white people from all over the country, could come make a pilgrimage to Daryl Brooks' body.
And... You spit on him.
You piss on him.
I don't think you should be allowed to shit on him, because... You know, it's Waukesha.
It's the middle of the country.
It's not San Francisco.
They're not ready for things that are that racy, you know?
Kind of that kind of urbanite decadence.
You should be able to piss on him, spit on him, throw things on him, tomatoes.
His body should still be laying in state.
Instead of that fucking pathetic, woe is us, fucking candlelit and flower vigil they've got out there where they cry about, oh what can be done?
Oh, what a terrible thing to happen to our guy!
I hope nobody politicizes what happened in this tragedy in this community!
That would be worse than tragedy itself!
Someone came along and politicized it!
Because when you politicize something, it's not like it's for goals to better the society you're living in.
No, politicize- you just politicize it just to make noise, just to get ratings on TV, right?
When you politicize something, it's not because you have a goal in mind, the goal perhaps being no more n***** terrorism.
No, politicizing it is terrible.
That might get results.
That might get pro-white results.
This is, of course, again, reading between the lines and understanding the missing context.
He's referring to sort of the mainstream right-wing response to this, which was to talk about, make jokes about car control and the unmanned car, etc., etc., and to not blame the actual person who committed the crime. and to not blame the actual person who committed the But also to say, "Well, we shouldn't politicize this in this racist way, We shouldn't blame all black people.
We shouldn't blame this on a particular class of people, etc.
We have black conservatives now, and Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell, and these guys mock that.
They just openly mock, A, In a sense, they're right to mock that.
There was a deeply racist thing going on in the heart of the Republican Party and big chunks of the Democratic Party.
Let's not lie about that.
But it's not explicitly racist enough.
They're not coming out and saying, we need to return to Jim Crow, which is ultimately what Broadly speaking, the TRS crew would advocate for in this situation that we're not spending enough money.
We're not spending enough resources.
They never look at the actual rates of mass incarceration.
For them, it's like, well, this is just the nature of the world.
This is the cost of them being in our societies.
Ultimately, we need to shun them into places where they can police their own.
and engage in violence against their own and not to us.
It's literally they're supporting an actual legalized apartheid.
That's sort of their answer to dealing with African Americans.
And they blame the Jews for bringing the slaves over in the first place.
That's always where this goes to a certain point.
It's literally like that end of The Birth of a Nation, which people think The Birth of a Nation is about Southern supremacy, and really it's about this white American supremacy, ultimately.
That the whole narrative was about, there was an original sin, and the original sin was bringing the slaves over in the first place.
Not because it was torturous to the slaves, not because it was a brutal, explosive economic system, but because the presence of, you know, the African invader was going to ultimately lead to disunity among the whites in the United States.
A pollution of a pure white system from the start that needs to be, you know, I mean, that film's obsessed with what they call miscegenation.
So it's very clear, you know, it's the mere sort of, it's the taint of their existence here in America that's the problem.
And then at the end of the movie, you know, they get put back in their proper place and you see what should be happening in the South, which is this creation of that sort of apartheid system, you know, sort of American Bantustan blank ghetto system.
And that's when Christ himself appears in the sky and blesses the purified United States.
The very white Jesus comes and blesses the United States and the cross Mason-Dixon line marriages that have resulted from excluding the blacks from voting.
And they don't take this ideology from Birth of a Nation.
They came to these same conclusions And then view the growth of a nation as their intellectual forebears.
That's what's also fascinating here, is that they go through the same racist logic and reach the same racist conclusions, the same batty, complete nonsense, divorced from any sense of history and sociology.
You know, just basic humanity.
They reach these conclusions, not because they're convinced by old books, but because they just agree with the old books.
They agree with the racism.
And that's what I often find fascinating.
And yeah, this is going to come back in just a second with a particular speech given by a particular person in 1944.
But first, I think we need to Moving to the next episode of Just Jesse.
These are episodes 149 and 150, by the way, for people who are going back through the archives, if you want to find these original episodes behind the paywall.
I have it all archived, of course.
And this is Jesse just kind of talking about the Holocaust.
Well, great.
This will be great.
If you're not already in a bad mood.
You might want to save the second half.
You might want to save the second half for tomorrow or something.
Yeah, you might want to break this up is what I'm saying.
So I deeply apologize, but we are going to play four clips from Just Jesse episode 150.
So let's just start now, I suppose.
All I can tell you is I just think about it all the time.
The thing I think about is all the swings and misses the Jews have at Trying to come up with where the policy was written down, what the final solution was going to be.
There's nothing about that.
Everything requires an interpretive dance and tertiary, and I don't know what comes after tertiary, but also made up new definitions of words.
Paternary, you fucking idiot.
To turn a document into an order to execute every last person of Jewish descent.
It just doesn't exist.
I mean, they tried to do the Vansi Conference.
That's a total fail.
I remember being intimidated by some of this stuff because there are just so many accusations.
But every accusation you look into, there's nothing there.
It's simply that.
It's an accusation.
Another example of it's a Kiwi Farms thread on Third Reich.
There's just nothing there.
It's just you have people that want to continue their narrative, so they just keep throwing stuff at it.
And it helps to have the...
The full weight of the Western world and all of its moneyed institutions and powerful institutions behind you when you're doing it.
It's incredible.
But yeah, there's no, there's no order of having, there's no, there's no record of this being a policy.
None.
And every, like, you can go through, like, what was it?
There's the Vonsi.
There was... And?
There was a, there's a, there's another speech where the term exterminate, liquidate... Ausrotten.
What is it, the word ausrotten?
Juden ausrotten, I believe.
I can't remember whose speech that was.
I just know that, like, basically they had to take that word ausrotten and redefine it to mean, like, kill everyone.
Himmler and Hans Frank used that word in speeches and they're not redefining the word.
It's blueprints of the fucking gas chambers that have the word gas chambers on them.
There are detailed lists from the Einsatzgruppen in Russia that they sent back to Berlin telling them how many thousands of Jews they'd killed and dumped in...
There are literally thousands of pages of documentary evidence.
But these people have done, I mean in particular, the TRS crew on the Daily Shoah, on this podcast that I have listened to nearly every episode of at this point.
Hours and hours and hours of where, you know, with no like sourcing and no like image sourcing, you know, like they don't, they don't, they just sort of talk over each other and they do this like shock jock format where they'll say, Oh, well, there's this one document and they bring out this thing and it's got like a handwritten note on it.
It's like, well, anybody can put that there.
Anybody can put that there.
And then they go with that for like hours and then make up in their heads.
Reasons why, you know, this particular document can't possibly support the gas chamber myth because, you know, it's because of this factor or this factor, you know, the lines were drawn slightly wrong.
Oh, on the current site, the buildings aren't arranged exactly the way they were, you know, in this diagram and the diagram, you know, how many steps were there and that sort of thing.
Those are the kinds of things they focus on.
These kinds of details.
And you put, so I'm not, I can't do the German pronunciation as you just did, you know, but, but they focus on this word like Ausraten.
And like, there isn't a direct English, you know, translation for the word.
That's true.
He's referring to the Poznan speech.
This is a Himmler speech, which I have read on this podcast before, so I apologize for the long-term listeners to have to, because I'm going to read a big chunk of it in translation.
They usually say the word means to move, right?
It just means to move people.
It's just talking about the Madagascar plan.
The Madagascar plan would also have been a genocidal plan.
If you're going to move people on tiny ships from a place that has buildings and plumbing, et cetera, to untamed wilderness, that is also a genocidal plan.
And even that version of it is much, much more than what they claim is genocide.
The white genocide, the Great Replacement, which is ultimately about population flow Sorry, I find this so darkly funny.
I do find it really darkly funny.
But instead of using that word, removal, if you look at kind of a German to English dictionary today, they usually translate it to something like to root out.
Like you're working in a garden, you're rooting out weeds.
All's rotten in the weeds.
And so, I'm going to read a bit of this pause in speech, and I'm going to read it, and I'm going to use the term to root out, because focusing on the meaning of that word is to ignore the context of the speech itself, right?
It's to ignore what's actually being said in the speech, and Just to foreshadow where we're coming with this and why I think it's important to kind of get this language down, the other three clips from that J&J 150 that I'm going to play you are Jesse Dunstan working through the exact logic that was in the Posten speech without knowing it!
Without knowing it, you know?
Like, It's what I said before, it's this eternal split consciousness.
It didn't happen, but it happened and it was good.
We don't want to do this, but we do want to do it.
It's good, but we don't want to do it.
Yeah, it's the same thing.
There isn't a direct translation for the word, but it's contextual.
As I say, Hans Frank uses it in a speech.
Elsewhere in the speech, he uses it to mean, you know, ausraten the rats, or ausraten the cholera, or whatever.
Does he mean move the rats somewhere else?
You're sending the rats to a little farm upstate, of course.
You're just moving the rats to get in Madagascar.
You know, you have all the best intentions for the rats to live in a very nice bucolic place in Madagascar.
The Madagascar Plan is actually specifically murderous in the crazy... It originates in the work of some very little-known German right-wing philosopher from way before the war.
I can't remember his name.
But it's specifically murderous in its original iteration.
Yeah, I mean, of course it's genocide.
I mean, you know, and again, like I don't, I don't feel the need to sort of like debunk the Holocaust.
No, no, I know.
I'm floating a dead horse.
No, no, no, no.
It really, really winds me up.
Oh, no.
I have scabbed over my scab marks on this stuff at this point.
So if I'm able to sort of talk about it blithely, it's just because it's exposure therapy for me.
And so I do deeply apologize to the listener and to Jack.
But I think if you're listening to this show, it's important to talk about what they're actually talking about here.
It's important to contextualize this.
And when I say these people are genocidal racists, that is not hyperbole.
That is not hyperbole.
Let's read a little bit.
Again, this is the English translation.
I mean, not to delay even more, but, you know, specifically in one of the clips from before about Daryl Brooks, he's talking about, you know, if it applies to one N-word, it applies to all.
And he pretends that he's deriving that from the logic of the other side, but of course, that's complete self-serving crap.
What he's saying is collective responsibility.
You do anything we don't.
And that comes down... We saw from Jim Crow how that works.
One black man looks at a white woman the wrong way, and the next thing you know, the church is being burned down and they're being strung up in the town square.
That's genocidal.
That's incipiently genocidal.
Right.
God, we could do a whole episode about how these people talk about Jim Crow.
Maybe we'll do that down the line.
People should let me know if they're interested in digging into the details of exactly how horrifying these people get.
I really do try to save the worst, because it's just not worth getting into.
But again, I am going to read a little bit of this, because I think it's important for the audience to understand, when we go through the rest of these Jesse clips, what he's actually doing here, okay?
And so I am going to, instead of the word extermination, I'm going to use rooted out here.
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm changing the translation to give, to give it, we can even use movement, but you know, like, like, let's look at the larger, the broader context.
This is just a chunk of this.
I put a link to both a kind of text translation and a YouTube video that plays the original audio.
And then it has text both in German and in English, in an English translation.
So, and they even note where the word "aus roten" is being used so that, you know, you can kind of make your own judgment on this.
I'm talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the rooting out of the Jewish people.
It is one of those things that is easily said.
The Jewish people is being rooted out.
Every party member will tell you.
Perfectly clear.
It's part of our plans.
We're eliminating the Jews, rooting them out, a small matter.
And then along they all come, all the 80 million upright Germans, and each one has a decent Jew.
They say, all the others are swine, but here is a first class Jew.
At this point he starts to slow down and he talks a little more softly.
None of them has seen it, has endured it.
Most of you will know what it means when a hundred bodies lie together, when five hundred are there, or when there are a thousand.
To have seen this through, and with the exception of human weakness, to have remained decent has made us hard and is a page of glory never mentioned, never to be mentioned.
Because we know how difficult things would be if today in every city during the bomb attacks, the burdens of war and privations, we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators, and instigators.
We would probably be at the same stage as 1916-17 if the Jews still resided in the body of the German people.
And you cannot read this and think this is some form of benign neglect towards the Jewish people by the Nazi party, by the Nazi state.
You cannot read that.
You cannot listen to that.
You cannot read that in context.
Even if you believe, naively, stupidly, that this is just about some relocation program It's about the horrors of that relocation program.
It's about how we had to remain strong and we had to remain somehow decent and good men while doing it, that we didn't steal unnecessarily, that we didn't engage in unnecessary cruelty, that we did the hard thing for the future of our people, for the future of Germany, for the future of the party, etc., etc., etc.
That's the logic.
They were going to do it to us.
They were going to be saboteurs.
They were going to be instigators.
They were going to destroy us, so we had to do something about them.
Aren't we decent people for only doing the thing that we knew we had to do and for having the will and the heart to do it?
That's what Himmler is saying.
That's the meaning of that speech.
He's speaking to insiders.
He's speaking to people who, as he says, have seen horrors, absolute horrors.
He's speaking to the men doing it.
Interpret that word any way you like within reason.
Interpret it as extirpate or eliminate, liquidate.
Interpret it as remove.
Interpret it as get rid of, root out.
It doesn't matter from the context.
You still end up with most of us in this room know what it is to see a thousand bodies piled up.
You can translate that word as anything you like, you still end up there.
Unless you are absolutely determined to find any way to ignore all the context and all the sense of the speech and say, well, he doesn't specifically say, we are murdering them in gas chambers, ergo.
But even then, you still end up with the fact that, where are they?
Oh, they have so many talking points about this shit.
I know.
Right.
I know that, you know, it's just, it's just one of those, I just want to be clear about that.
Like this is, this is, but the, but the, the, the way that they argue is always in this, you know, well, Os Rotten could mean anything, you know, the, the, the Jews are manipulating you by doing it this way.
There's no explicit order, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Instead of using all the tools at your disposal and looking at, What is actually being said?
What is actually the context of this speech?
What do we know from other sources?
The work that historians do, the work that people who actually care about the nature of the world do, and are not just interested in pointing a finger at Jewish names on an executive board.
It's absolutely absurd that we should have to use our brains for this, because it is so transparent.
By denying it, you're actually cheating Himmler of the great achievement that he's boasting about.
Yeah, exactly!
He's boasting behind the paywall, isn't he?
Because publicly, in the speech he talks about publicly, you can't say this, because the Nazis were the first Holocaust deniers.
There are actual people who are a bit more intellectually honest than Jesse is here, who will just claim, well, that's not a real speech by Himmler.
That's somebody else.
It's better.
It's more logical.
They've actually listened to the speech or read a transcript and gone, oh, this makes us look really bad, doesn't it?
I'm sorry, again, you laugh so you don't cry.
Sometimes you do both at once.
So, let's move into a little bit of TRS absurdity.
There was this historical gag, I could never find the original episode that it's in, in which they got off on some riffing tangent, and Jesse starts this narrative in which Hitler didn't actually do this in the past, that he time traveled to the future, And is like actively killing Jews in the future.
And that this is all some sort of like future race memory that the Jews have and they're just like fearful of this thing.
And it was like this kind of like classic bit, codicled classic bit of theirs that sort of disappeared into the ether.
It never became like an extended meme.
But apparently someone in their orbit reminded him of it at some point.
Like, oh yeah, I really like this bit.
And he starts talking about it in this context.
Literally seconds after the clip we just heard, he starts into this.
So this is all part of one fairly continuous stream, just to be clear.
This is all part of one episode.
That clip and then the next three.
These are all one episode.
One kind of extended clip here.
So let's just play this.
Here's the thing about the Holocaust.
Here's the thing about the Holocaust.
Like the entire lie, and if you think about it, like I brought up recently, someone reminded me of it.
My future Hitler Church, the Sventecostal Church of the future Hitler.
You know, my silly joke religion that I totally don't believe in, in which Hitler is in the future doing the Holocaust, we just have to catch up with him.
Right?
It's a nice belief.
It's a good one.
All these stories, but I really, if you think about it, it's like the Holocaust hoax could very easily become, and I hope it does, self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's like you're filling everyone's heads with ideas of the things that deserve to happen to you.
And they're not totally out of the realm of possibility.
I mean, what did we learn from... Let's compare and contrast the Holocaust itself, the Holocaust narrative, to the deportation policy that the Germans, that the Third Reich did.
What is the result of just sending these people out of Germany?
What would Jews be like in a world where Germany won the war and was allowed to exist as, you know, a thousand-year Reich of... What would the Jews be like?
Do you think the Jews would have just... Ah, shucks, fellas.
Looks like we lost our grip on Germany.
What would have happened?
I guarantee you that at some point there would have been some German Fuhrer, some successor of Hitler's down the line, and like, Jesus Christ, Why didn't we?
Why didn't we cast these motherfuckers?
Why did we send these bastards east?
Especially, like, with the internet.
Like, oh my god!
Their YouTube channel, it's just crazy.
So I think it's probably a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Okay, so apart from the fact that he just says in there that, you know, I hope it happens.
That's so fucking weird, this mental dance.
You know, I've got to deny that it happened, but I hope it does happen one day.
I mean, what the fuck?
That is so pathetic.
Just have the courage to say, yeah, it happened and it was good, and we should do it again.
Just have the fucking balls to say that.
Which is kind of what the original Holocaust deniers, that was the original logic of Holocaust deniers immediately post-war.
It was like, well, yeah, we had to do that because the Jews were terrible.
Yeah, clearly.
It's just the nature of war.
Why are you denying the thing that the people, your forebears, your intellectual heroes, your political heroes, were very proud of having done it privately behind the paywall?
Yes.
And Himmler, again, I just want to bury this into people's skulls at this point.
Himmler, in this speech, he's like, because we know how difficult things would be if today in every city during the bomb attacks, the burdens of war and privations, we still had Jews around.
We would be at the same stages.
Literally, it's the same line.
It's the same language.
Yeah, that's exactly what, that's the next thing I was going to say.
He's saying what Himmler said.
He's literally saying the exact same with no knowledge of this speech.
He has no knowledge of this speech beyond that it uses a particular word because it was brought up one day.
Because that's a talking point he knows.
Yeah, it's a talking point, he knows.
Yeah, no.
He has no concept of this.
I hope he reads this speech and I hope he comes and breaks the keyboard and is like, God damn it, Daniel Harper is right.
That fat fuck is right.
We should just say the Holocaust happened.
We know it happened.
It was a good thing.
That would be a move forward for these people.
So they just don't have to talk about this anymore.
They have to stop lying.
Not that I want more Holocausts than I want in the world, but I'm just... I hope you get the point that I'm trying to make here.
It's just so... Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
And he comes right up to saying another thing.
I think Himmler says it later in that speech, or he says it somewhere else.
You know, we have to kill the children because if we don't, we're letting a generation of Avengers live.
And they'll inflict vengeance on the next German generation.
He comes right up to saying that as well.
Yeah, no, no.
I mean, and it's all about every party member has his good you.
And so there are no good.
You have to do it to all of them.
You know, that's again, a lot there.
And he thinks, and this is this is kind of where the rest of this episode, like we're leaning into a slightly different thing is like something that I've talked about previously in episode 52 was the conversation of extermination, like the talking point, like the idea that this is something we don't even get to discuss.
Because of the Holocaust myth, because of this thing that didn't happen.
This logic that we're not allowed to even talk about it because of this myth, and therefore we're not allowed to have reasonable conversations about, well, who does have the right to exist, ultimately?
Um, and they really, really want to be able to talk about who has a right to exist.
So that's where this next clip is going to go.
Um, so just to be clear, I told you this was going to get dark.
It's, it's, it's getting, it's getting worse just to be clear.
It's going to get dark.
Yeah.
From here, it's going to get dark.
It's already pretty dark.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It always gets worse.
That's our second tier motto.
Our motto, yeah.
So I think it's probably a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's like, how else do you deal with it?
I mean, the thing that gets me about talking about the Holocaust and accusing the German people, and by proxy all white Europeans, of this genocide and thus genocidal tendency, and leaving aside that you yourself are the people with the most genocidal tendency of everyone, the Jews, it's sort of like,
This accusation, it's sort of like the Jews get out of the burden, they get out from under the burden of like, now you don't, we're not even having this, the, we don't even get to have the discussion, like you don't get to argue, like you should be, you should have to do what you do for us, like you should have to argue for your existence, right?
Like I've, I've seen that with the trees, like it's not about arguing whether people get, it's like you should have to argue whether or not you're deserved to exist, Jews.
I mean because basically you've got this big argument whether did somebody try to make us somebody try to wipe us out or not and that's the thing and that is like the that's the chastity belt around right-wing politics as I as has been said famously by people before me in this thing it's I mean that skips right over like that basically is assuming the argument is one that your people has a right to exist they're just taking that for granted and moving towards the next one how dare you try to you know you tried to kill us and no I didn't
There's never discussions like, well, should they have tried to kill you?
I try to lean away from the... which I think is often an oversimplification of, well, the Holocaust didn't have it, but it should have.
I mean, it's fine for a tweet.
It's fine for a broad understanding of at least some of the various things, but I try to get a little more fine-grained in that when I talk about these people and their beliefs.
I mean, Jesse's right there.
I mean, he's literally saying, in not so many words, but in twice that number of words, it didn't happen, but it should have.
That's his whole point here.
And it's actually weird to see them actually become the cartoons, that they're sort of Even the most liberal detractors, believe them to be.
You don't even need the sophistication of having listened to thousands of hours of these people to just listen to that and go like, well, that's literally like the Holocaust didn't happen, but it should have.
Sometimes they just give me that gift, I guess.
They just make me completely unnecessary, except for the fact that I've actually listened to it, and I can now share it with the world, and show you that they actually are as terrible as you think they are.
Which I hate!
Sometimes they just become the over-simplistic satire of themselves.
They do.
And that's where he is.
That's the logic.
And again, I just want to highlight this.
This is not some weird, alt-right, ironic pose or whatever.
This is what he believes.
And this is what they all kind of believe, even if they sort of push back in public and sort of say, well, I wouldn't phrase it that way or whatever.
But this is the thing.
It's like, look, these people deserve Every terrible thing that you can imagine because they're trying to wipe us out.
And of course, they always frame it in that, well, we are the real victims here, that we are responding to their violence, their violence by the financial system and by immigration and by birth rates and degeneracy, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
That's how they view the world.
And it's overtly genocidal.
It's just overtly genocidal.
Yeah, if we can just get past this assumption that, you know...
Basically, everybody has the right to exist, and we can get to the discussion, you know, about which groups don't have the right to exist.
And then, once we've had that discussion, and we've worked out, obviously, that this specific group does not have the right, and in fact, needs, for everybody else's sake, to not exist, then the chastity belt around right-wing politics can come off, and the hardcore fucking of genocide can begin.
That's what I'm saying.
That's exactly it, yeah.
And again, I included this bit, and this was going to be the last clip of this episode, and then after my initial prep, they started saying a lot more shit even more publicly.
So this is going to definitely be an extended episode, but it's worth playing this last little minute or so, because it just, again, it just aligns so closely with Himmler's pause in speech.
So let's just, again, get into it here.
See, the other thing about the Holocaust, another reason it's kind of hard to pin this down because there's so much propaganda out there that opposes this idea as well, but the reason the Nazis didn't do a genocide of the Jewish people is also just because they were men of God.
These were spiritual religious people.
These were ethical people.
These were people that would not commit such a grave sin.
No one wanted that burden on their soul.
To kill millions and millions of people.
Even to do so with the grandiose intention of creating a perfect German state that doesn't have these subversives in it.
So you basically err on the side of caution and you wipe them all out rather than leaving the good ones alive.
They didn't want that and they didn't do it.
Again, straight out of Himmler.
It's denying Himmler's actual words.
We have done this, and we've remained good men.
We have become good men, in some sense, because we have done this.
We have done this for the great German state.
And Jesse is looking back at it and saying, well, of course they couldn't do this, because who would want that on their soul?
Who would want to actually do this?
Who could bear to do it?
And of course, they stopped shooting people and started gassing people because it was a more comfortable industrial process.
And they get the sundry commandos to actually do most of the physical labor, so they didn't have to actually do it with their bare hands.
And how much of the horrors of the modern world are ultimately built on, well, I don't have to physically do this with my hands.
I have an underclass to do this for me.
I have other people to do this work for me, ultimately.
And systems, systems.
Systems that do this.
It's what Jacob Bronowski called the gap between the push-button philosophy and the human act.
Yeah.
That's what he specifically says when he's talking about exactly this.
They went through this whole process.
They started rounding them up and making them dig their own graves and shooting them.
And then they went to gas vans, which is presumably where Johnny Monoxide gets his name.
Presumably, yeah.
And it was psychologically punishing for the murderers.
And Himmler was very concerned about that.
Himmler went and witnessed an execution and he got some blood on his uniform and he was very, oh, this is terrible.
And his humanitarian concern was for the effect that this would have on the poor murderers.
So they develop this system whereby they can industrially shovel people into gas chambers.
And then he says at his speech, you know, we've been very strong, except every now and again, we've had moments of weakness, but that's just because we're decent men.
You can't expect us to be ruthless and merciless all the time.
Every now and again, because we're such good men, we have these little moments of weakness.
No, and in context, when you understand what he's actually talking about and the realities of Auschwitz, he's not talking about we were sometimes cruel to the Jews when we were exterminating them.
He's talking about stealing the personal effects for personal gain by individual soldiers.
He's talking about Someone pilfering a diamond and sticking it in their pocket and then using it to trade or using it to sell on the black market during the deprivations of war, as opposed to giving all that as it was supposed to go to the war effort, to the German state.
It's disloyalty to the party for personal gain that is the weakness that Himmler is actually talking about in that moment.
How much more disgusting can you possibly be?
This is a whole other... I mean, not to get drawn off course, but Auschwitz was a system of theft.
It was institutionalized.
The German state stole millions in property and money and gold and everything from its victims, but it was a system of institutionalized private theft as well.
The individuals working there were involved in wholesale organized crime internal to the Auschwitz system.
They were all creaming off money and loot and yeah.
Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely.
That's it for that JNJ, for that Just Jesse show.
He goes on, there's more, always more.
In fact, he goes on now that Daryl Brooks should be pissed on.
You should be able to piss on Daryl Brooks' face in episode 149.
He goes on that tangent for a good 35 minutes in that episode and just keeps coming back to it.
You can tell that's very important to him.
You can tell he's really enjoying that fantasy.
Oh no, he is, he is.
It's sickening even beyond the racial level, even beyond the ideological level.
It's just sickening.
That's his little internal fantasy.
I'm tempted to just lay down the whole 35-minute track just to play at the end, just to see how many people will actually play this to the end.
Horrifying.
But no, we're not going to do that.
There's no need for that.
Instead, and again, this was going to be the end of the episode, button put, pause in speech, Jesse doing the same thing.
And then they started talking about this, not behind the paywall, And I thought it would be interesting to play a little bit of that.
And this is from the main show, this is from The Daily Show, episode 922.
This starts about 12 and a half minutes in, and someone actually tagged me on this.
Someone on Twitter actually posted it, and then tagged me in it.
Daniel Harper, have you seen this?
Because, like, it's so on brand for us.
Like, people know exactly.
And I'm like, yeah, no, I actually am aware of this already.
But worth highlighting here.
So thank you to that person who tagged me.
Always tag me when you find something terrible you think I might have missed.
Even if it's right there, I was going to find it eventually anyway.
So yeah.
Whenever you hear Nazis saying vile things, and you immediately think, Daniel Harper!
Just be sure to tag him.
I have a very particular, like, place in the Twitter ecosystem.
It's like, that's the most horrifying thing I've ever heard!
At Daniel Harper.
Or Daniel E. Harper.
This is horrifying!
Someone should be aware of this!
Tagging!
At Daniel Lee Harper.
That's literally what I think people run into sometimes.
It's like, I don't know where else to put this.
Daniel Lee Harper.
Be aware of it.
Yeah, no, that's, it's perfectly fine.
Believe me, I've already seen like 90% of it.
But you know, like, yes, please keep me aware of what Of what's out there.
Um, but anyway, let's, uh, let's, let's play a little bit of this clip and then get the fuck out of this episode.
You needed to be accepted.
You were, you were told, I was, I was informed that you people just want.
All right, just for context here, I'm, I'm breaking in here, uh, just for context, this is specifically relating to, uh, the current monkey bot monkey pox epidemic.
Oh, god.
Okay, yeah.
This is not a quote-unquote gay disease, although, god, there's a complicated conversation around how to talk about this, even in mainstream circles.
And then the Nazis are, of course, taking it to the absolute most disgusting places.
I mean, just unimaginably dark places.
And for context here, and I hesitate even to I mean, I don't want to talk about this.
I don't even want to describe this, but there's a recurring thing they've been doing for years on the Daily Show in which child sexual abuse is the way that gay people reproduce.
All right?
And I want to... Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Gay people cannot reproduce like the way that straight people... I'm just explaining the logic here, okay?
They abused children of their own, and so in order to propagate themselves, they abused children who then went on to be gay, who then abused more children.
And the simple logic here is like, well, how do you get rid of this degeneracy in society?
Well, You've got to get rid of the gay people now.
And even though they were victims of sex, in this context, in this concept, in this logic, even though they were victims of sexual abuse and are not necessarily responsible in the same way for these crimes, if you treat this as a disease vector, if you treat this as a way of something that is damaging your society, then the only solution is to That's what's ultimately being addressed here.
That's where this is going, okay?
I've heard this before.
It's basically what I call the gay people as vampires theory, because it's basically recasting homosexuality as vampirism.
They reproduce via predation, victimization, and infection.
That's how they reproduce.
That's what they're saying.
They're making gay people into vampires.
So, of course, the solution to this...
And explicitly through child sexual abuse, to be clear, like not out of, you know, at least like vampires usually are seen as like, you know, victimizing adults.
This is even worse than vampires.
In Dracula, Dracula himself and one of his female vampire victims specifically abused children as well.
So the link was always there from the start.
But yeah, sorry, that's me getting off into the weeds again.
Not getting off, to be clear.
Getting off into the weeds.
Let's finish that sentence very securely.
Yeah.
What was I saying?
I don't know.
I'm off in the weeds.
No, I know.
I know.
Once you've recast gay people as vampires, the way in which you deal with that exponentially increasing plague is, of course, to destroy them with Christian symbolism and ultimately with a stake through the heart.
There you go.
I'm done now.
Right.
So anyway, that's sort of the context of this clip.
It's talking about monkeypox.
It's talking about, in particular, a Twitter thread from a gay man, or at least a man who sleeps with men.
I believe he's gay, but I'm not sure exactly what his But it kind of went around for a day or two and it was a man who got monkey pox and who was like, yeah, I went to an orgy last weekend.
I drank a metric fuck ton of piss.
I had a great time and then I got monkey pox and it's awful.
And it was like a very sort of honest, kind of talking about like kind of the nature of the disease and talking about the nature of the epidemic.
And I felt really sympathetic.
It's like, yeah.
I had some really great sex and then went off, and now I have this horrifying illness.
And shouldn't we have vaccines available?
Shouldn't we have treatments available?
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Really kind of a heartfelt plea.
And of course, the metric fuck tons of piss is now a meme in this ecosystem.
And they just keep coming back to this.
Right before we sat down and recorded, Um, this episode, I was listening to like a more recent episode and they were still on this topic.
They were still just, you know, going on this over and over and over again.
Um, there's a great article I found that's about like the spread of the monkey pox meme on the, on the far right.
I will put that in the show notes now that I think about it.
So, you know, always add things to the show notes.
That's the context of these clips.
I wanted to have families just like us normal people.
And it was bigoted of us to like refuse you that honor.
Like this was, it was an indignity.
To not allow you into that institution.
And I was mocked for saying things like, well, this weakens my own.
I was, you know, widely mocked for these silly half-assed conservative arguments against it at the time.
And now what the truth is, it's like, not only do you have sex with several men over the course of a weekend, you can't stop yourself from doing it when there's a new painful disease going around that specifically affects the community of people that do the disgusting things that you do.
And you're trying to make it...
I mean, it is New York City.
Make it New York City's problem all day.
I'll just laugh.
That's hilarious.
But it's like...
I mean... New York City's having a lot of problems.
Have we ever had it?
The problem is we're not having a discussion about whether or not you should exist anymore.
We need to reopen that debate.
Like, there's no reason for you to exist.
Well, I would say the conditions should stop existing.
Yeah.
And then the conditions stop existing by we stop facilitating it.
Well, I just...
I'm dipping in here.
I'm just highlighting.
Jesse's getting off on his thing.
Jesse's starting to ramp up here.
That's where we're going here.
Mike is trying to tone him down.
Mike is trying to say, look, it's the condition that we want to treat.
It's the condition of gayness.
Over and over again, Mike is going to try to bring it back and say, we're not actively trying to kill people.
We're just saying we want to treat this condition as a medical treatment.
Gayness itself is so deeply associated with these kinds of diseases.
These diseases are so terrible and harmful and horrifying that we need to stamp them out of our society.
Because they are only spread by or only sourced by the gay community, we need to do something with gayness as a condition.
Mike, in other places, will say, I don't believe in the born this way thing, that this is transmitted, again, through Child sexual abuse, ultimately.
That's the logic here, that if we just get rid of all the gay people one way or another who are existing in our society now, you will never have this happen again.
That's the logic.
But again, Jesse is about to go there, and Mike is Very gently trying to push him back, and the way he does that is really the reason I wanted to include these clips here, you know, and the way that they're kind of playing this game around language, and that's- I just want to highlight that right now.
It's again, like, the thing with- they're always gonna say you want to, like, gas all of us or something, and it's like- I'm, like, okay with that!
Just put that on me, like, put that on me, like, I don't care.
We can also- I'm tired of- I'm tired of- I'm tired of having to back off of accusations like that.
What are you doing to white people?
What are you doing to me?
That's true.
Just because you're not outright using the gas, I'm supposed to fucking shrink back from the accusation that I want to kill all my enemies?
I want to kill all my enemies!
One by one!
I don't want to do them six million at a time.
I want it to be personal, up close, and I want it to be an emotional experience and I want to watch your lights go out.
Stick a fucking, and fucking yeah, fly the fucking swastika flag all over TPUSA.
Fucking pussies!
Everyone who has a fucking problem with going hard needs to just shut the fuck up!
Because what's going to happen to you 20 years from now instead of in fucking two weeks?
People are going to love this bit, and I'm happy about that, but like, again, we'll do like the thing here.
I'm a genocidal maniac!
You're lucky I don't have the means to do it.
My point is this.
The only reason I can't do genocides is you fuckers won't back me up.
No, I actually won't let you do it either.
Optics!
That's a bad look!
Bad look to who when they're all dead?
Every f***er!
Every Jew!
I mean, that's clear.
I think we can also admit that he is playing this up for a rhetorical effect in the moment.
The bit where he's like, I want to kill them all personally.
That's him pretending to this monstrosity.
I don't think that's his position.
But he does believe, look, this is an absolutely morally valid way of dealing with this problem.
All of these people should be dead.
And Mike has this line of, like, people are going to love this bit.
He's in the moment, just trying to distance.
He verbally says, I don't actually disagree with this policy.
I don't actually disagree with what you're saying.
But I want to think of it in this different way, as opposed to where you're going with this.
And also, people are going to love this bit.
It's just a comedy.
He's just playing around.
He's just doing the Jesse thing, right?
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
They usually don't get this aggressive.
They usually don't push this hard.
It's, you know, That's, again, go ahead.
It's so, like, everything I've said about the Daily Show for the last, like, five years, you know?
It's literally in that clip.
It's literally right there.
And then he just tweeted it out!
That's the feeling I had, is like, well, I got nowhere else to go.
You're putting me out of a job.
Like, all I had to do was play this clip and go, like, he said it, you know?
That's it, yeah.
That reminds me of two things simultaneously.
It reminds me of a spoiled, attention-seeking, overtired, sugar-crazed seven-year-old showing off, bullying the other kids in the playground, or for the purposes of the parents.
And the mum is sort of, oh, he gets worked up sometimes.
Calm down, dear.
It reminds me of that.
It also reminds me, like, round the table, you know, the family gathering, and Grandpa has maybe had a little bit too much to drink.
And again, it's, you know, the evening is wearing on, and he's a bit tired, and he's in his 80s now, and he gets started, and he starts to really enjoy how uncomfortable he's making everybody else around the table.
And Grandma is kind of trying to wind him back down again, and he's just not going to be wound back down.
He wants to say his piece, and he really enjoys it.
You're absolutely right.
I love that Jesse is like the racist uncle of the Daily Showa.
The show is literally called The Daily Holocaust, and Jesse is getting the racist uncle treatment on that show.
He's being talked down.
Well, they're giggling about it.
I love Alex's little, like, laugh.
He's like, oh, that's extreme.
Like, they do that.
They do that sometimes when they just go a little bit too far.
It's like, oh, you shouldn't have said that.
Somebody at the SPLC is going to clip that.
Oh, that.
Yeah, no, it's it's.
Yeah, that's that's that's the same thing again.
That's grandma turning to the table and going, oh, isn't he terrible?
So he's either a sugar-crazed, spoiled toddler, or he's a senile old bully.
It's one of them.
It's both of them, I think.
Yeah, no.
I love both metaphors.
It definitely makes sense.
So we're just going to play the last clip now, which is Jesse continuing to get louder.
If you notice the audio is clipping a little bit.
I know most people don't actually like have, they don't podcast for a living and they don't like think about like what like certain kinds of sounds sound like.
Jesse's audio is clipping here.
He's yelling a lot more than he used to.
And typically, Jesse, the audio engineer, would turn his mic down because he's an audio professional.
He actually is very skilled at this.
Another indication that he is either feigning, quote unquote feigning, a large degree of moral outrage, or he is literally just so in his head that he's forgotten what his actual fucking job on this show is.
And, you know, I don't know.
That's a detail that, like, I only really kind of got to when I started looking at the waveforms when I was, like, pulling clips from this.
But I think, I think it's audible here.
So let's just, let's just, let's just play the last, the last of these clips.
This episode is going to be so long.
The last clip.
The last clip.
And we always say, always say, it always gets worse.
It always gets worse.
This episode started with, you know, Mike Enoch is a Jew.
And then it got worse from there, right?
That's how this episode has progressed.
Well, it's going to get worse.
So, yeah, here's where we are.
Again, the problem is, though, I think that the discourse becomes this.
This is the kind of discourse we engage in because Yeah, we should pussyfoot around monkeypox.
Have I pussyfooted around any of this?
No, I'm just saying that's what society wants to do.
Avoid gatherings.
Don't be close with people.
Don't touch the rash.
I don't think touching the rash is the issue.
My question is this, though.
How are children getting monkeypox?
I don't want to think about it, but here's the...
I mean, I think it is- No, neither does society!
Someone wants to answer that question.
How are children getting monkey pox?
If it's a disease transmitted between gay men who drink piss, how are children getting it?
And how come no one wants to kill everyone except me?
They're having some kind of contact here.
Oh, some kind of contact with gay men?
What kind of contact do children have with gay men to get monkey pox that no one's doing anything about?
What's happening?
Maybe if New York City expanded its testing capacity, we could find out immediately when the children have monkey pox and do nothing about how they got there.
I would say anybody that gets monkey pox should just be, like, separated from society.
Because, obviously, you can't, like... These things should just be... By, like, an existential plane, you're saying, right?
Separated from society, is what I'm saying.
So... You mean not breathing.
I'm saying separating the moral coil.
Look, I'm not making these kinds of statements.
See, here's the thing.
My point is this, but I also mean it.
I'm an entertainer, but I also mean it.
Again.
Yeah.
And they're calling out Mike for cucking on this.
Like Mike Enoch, who named the Daily Show-off.
Mikey and I, like, the world's most famous anti-Semite outside of maybe David Duke?
Like, I mean, you know, the person doing the most in the world to legitimate a, like, political anti-Semitism, who was literally building a political party, which is actually just an LLC, we'll get there in a future episode.
It was building his, like, life's work on professionalizing, on, like, advocating for a political anti-Semitism.
It's literally, and racism more broadly, is literally being called weak, called a cuck.
He's literally being like, stop being nice to these people by his own co-hosts, because Mike Enock is actually smart enough to know, actually, I don't want to be like, I don't want to have these clips of me saying this, where Daniela freaking clip it and show it to the world.
He believes it.
It's clear from the clip that he believes it.
That illumination is ultimately where they need to go.
Like he's saying, I need to frame it in a different way.
In a way, and I really hope the Nazis listen to this far, I really hope, because I'm going to say, Mikey Knike is kind of being like a Nick Fuentes right now.
Now, he's just cucking on the message!
He's just trying to play the optics so that he can build his political party, so that he can get more in with the Republicans.
That's all he's doing here.
Mike, you gotta just say, I believe in the extermination of gay people.
Like, and just be honest about it, because that's what he clearly believes.
He clearly believes it.
And he won't say it, even on his own show!
So long as it's not behind the paywall, you know?
That's the difference here.
This was a public show.
It sounds to me, I mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like his hosts, his co-hosts, feel that themselves, and they're attacking him.
It feels like, I mean, if I didn't know what an absolute piece of worthless shit Mike Enoch is, and if it wasn't clear from the clips that we've played that he basically Not basically, he just agrees with everything they're saying, but he just doesn't want to say it in as many words.
I would almost feel sorry for him from some of this, because it's just on the level of a guy trying to do a show, you know?
Just on the level of a guy clearly trying to have a conversation on a sort of reasonable level.
Where people aren't just screaming death threats into the microphone the whole time.
He's just trying to have a conversation.
And he's got these people who are basically trolling him with open genocidal rage constantly.
I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for him.
Yeah, he constantly has to, like, massage the message, and we've talked about that in previous episodes, for instance.
It's his own fault.
You know, it's his own problem.
No, no, no, no.
It's his own Frankenstein's monster come to get him, but... No, no, no.
And again, this is not like... He agrees with these people 100%.
Like, there's no, like...
There's light between these people.
It's just, we shouldn't talk about this in this way.
We should talk about this in this other way.
We should treat it this way, even in our circles.
We have to back off from that because we don't want to sound like the caricature.
We don't want to actually say the things that they say we're saying.
And what Jesse is doing is he's saying, like, fuck it.
They're going to say we're saying this because they are actually saying it, to be clear.
They are actually saying it.
They do believe it.
So when I call them genocidal racists, it's not because I'm smearing them, it's because I'm accurately describing them.
But they're going to call us that, and they're going to real level that accusation at us.
And therefore, we should just say, yes, this is what I believe.
Defend your position to exist.
Six letter F word, you know?
Yeah.
Defend your reason to exist, Jew.
Defend your reason to exist.
Trans person.
That's what's happening here.
It's radicalizing even in this moment, and we're getting a glimpse into the internal dynamics.
If you've listened to these people as long as I have, you've always gotten the sense that Mike is both accelerating and decelerating, and that Mike is kind of Manipulate the message that he's using.
He actually does have this like mind for propaganda and how best to, you know, interact in these like weird circles and how best to like push this message along.
And I think that that's that's what I'm also trying to get at by including these clips because ultimately.
This plugs right back into the like OK Grimmer stuff.
This plugs right back into, you know, the way that.
Normie right-wing people, more respectable, non-overtly-Hitler-did-nothing-wrong right-wing people have treated these issues.
It's all about, well, they're just trying to fuck children.
This is not sexual predators.
This is all gay people.
This is all people.
Anybody who has anything to say About exposing the very concept of gay people existing in the world and that being an okay thing to anyone under the age of 18 is a groomer, and that suddenly we are absolutely identified with pedophilia and child sexual abuse.
And that's the project of the Republican Party at this point.
Yes.
That's literally the project that I'm seeing.
I didn't know if I wanted to talk about this.
I've had severe depression over the last couple of months, and it's affected my ability to produce episodes.
And I'm just going to say right here, right now, that seeing the groomer meme just explode It gave me a real crisis of what this work is doing in the world, and whether it's even a valid thing.
How many hours do I keep wanting to spend on this if it has absolutely no effect in terms of actually preventing these things from happening?
And I have decided the way that I get back to that is to get back to the roots and to just dig into where my expertise is and where I think I can do the best good.
And I still want to keep continuing this project, but I fell into depression based on that.
I fell into really weird headspaces that I don't really want to discuss in this format.
It was really a bad time for me.
And, you know, I am not the victim here.
I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to claim that, but, um, I'm here.
I'm back.
Fuck you guys.
You're losers and liars and racists.
And like, you have no ability.
You should have no ability to make me feel that.
And you don't anymore.
I'm past that now.
I've realized.
Fuck.
Fuck you guys.
It's just all of you.
It's all the same political project.
I mean, that's, I mean, that's, that's what I feel like that's what this podcast is kind of all about.
It's like, that's why we explore Elijah Schaffer.
That's why we explore the intellectual dark web.
It's all part of the same.
They fight amongst each other, they do all these things, but it's not like individual threads.
It's all part of the same ultimate political project that opposes the existence of certain kinds of people in this society, that opposes the existence of certain kinds of ideas in this society.
And they will use the arms of the state, they will use the ability, you know, state power To go after certain kinds of people, and they are doing it now with regards to pregnant women who would like to not be pregnant anymore, for instance, in this country.
They are using it against queer people.
They're using it against books.
They are banning books right now in so many places, so many local places.
These local people who are trying to combat this have so few resources to actually combat it, because ultimately, the institutions that we rely on to do this are completely inadequate to the task.
And if fascism, real fascism comes to this country, which I think is an entirely realistic possibility, it will be because those institutions have just completely dropped the fucking ball.
And that's where we are.
And all I can do is keep talking about what I'm seeing, where the connections are, and to give people the information that they need to organize or to do something about this.
Because I am not an organizer.
I am not a social person.
I am not a person out there doing these things.
I have not been to protests.
I do the research because this is where my skillset lies, and I'm sorry that I cannot do more, honestly.
But this is where I am, and I'm going to keep doing this until they put a fucking bullet in my head.
And there's nothing more than prepping this episode that convinced me I am not going to be sad about this anymore.
Fuck em.
Absolutely right.
Yeah.
This gets solved by building resistance from below.
And I think it's invaluable to arm that resistance with the information.
And we're far from the only people doing that.
But that's how it works.
That's how you build resistance from below that wins.
Loads of people doing it.
Loads of people doing a bit.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I wasn't trying to build myself into an important person or anything.
I'm a grain of sand on a beach, ultimately.
Well, they love to talk about snowflakes.
It was a hell of a lot of snowflakes that stopped the German army.
Yeah, well, that's what it takes.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, yeah, fuck these people so hard.
They are so pathetic.
They are wrong about absolutely everything, and they have no excuse for being wrong about everything, because all they have to do is Google any one of the topics that they talk shit about, and they can encounter reality anytime they fucking want.
And they know they're wrong.
On some deep level, they know they're wrong.
That's why they have to constantly talk amongst themselves, convincing each other that they're right.
You know, we're right, we're right, we're right, aren't we?
Yes, we are.
Constantly round and round and round, saying the same old self-convincing, self-deluding shite over and over again.
Because they're a bunch of fucking cowardly, pathetic, self-deluding man-babies, crying about the same old crap over and over again, fantasising about You know, giving an awful lot of thought to people fucking kids.
You know, I'm just going to say that.
You people, you think an awful lot about people fucking children.
I don't.
You fucking do.
And apparently fantasizing about pissing on black men's dead bodies.
Well, there's something wrong with you people, okay?
You are fucking sick.
You are wrong.
You are cowardly.
You are deluded.
You are infantile.
Pathetic.
You are pathetic, and you want to take that out on the rest of the world?
You want to get power, and you want to start telling people, you don't have the right to exist, I'm going to take you off this planet?
You want to do that to thousands of people, millions of people, to make yourselves feel better about the fact that you're pathetic, know-nothing failures?
Fuck you, people.
No.
No.
Well, and just to be clear, they have indicated when we have political power, you know, dot, dot, dot.
What happens to their enemies when they gain political power?
They do not accept any moral precepts against the worst things that they could do to these people, ultimately.
It's all this sort of realism as geopolitics brought into sociology within their country, ultimately.
And so there is no, like, what is the limit of cruelty?
It will be whatever they think is best for them.
There is no other option there, right?
And in that sense, punch a Nazi is like a mild position, ultimately.
Like, the idea that these people whine about being dodged, they whine about, like, not having access to credit card processors, you know?
And, like, you know, when, like, their literal political project is, like, we're going to murder everybody who doesn't agree with us, you know?
The second that we have any modicum of power.
More fucking childish and pathetic than that.
Yeah.
You don't look like me.
You don't feel like me.
You don't agree with me.
I'm going to kill you all.
That is so pathetic.
I know I keep saying it, but it is.
It's child logic.
It's child politics.
Drinking piss is not my thing.
That's not what I'm into.
If that's what you like to do, knock yourself out.
Enjoy yourself.
I hope you have a great time.
It's not my thing.
I'd rather drink that metric fuck ton of piss every day for the rest of my life than be one of them.
Yeah.
I don't have it in me to be one of them.
I just don't.
I can't be that little worm who has to build myself to be strong on the basis of literal rape and genocide of 350 years of colonialism.
That's my claim to fame, is looking back to Cortez and going, yeah, that guy had the right idea.
Like, you know, I just know too much about the world.
Like Matt Walsh literally just did, by the way.
Yeah, no, which, I mean, very normie, very like... Ben Shapiro.
Do you know how much these people hate Ben Shapiro?
Do you have any idea how much people hate Ben Shapiro?
Gee, I wonder why.
No, no, it's because they see him as a gatekeeper, as the Jew who comes out and gets right up to the edge of their talking points and then goes, but also he must support Israel and therefore he's not part of their political project.
Like, God, we could go off on this forever, and we really need to finish this episode.
We do, yeah.
There is a reason that we explore the topics that we do, and there is a reason that I have taken the time to go into the intellectual dark web and to go into Elijah Schaeffer and some of these other figures, because And you see echoes of the same rhetoric, and you see that they are pulling from the same thing.
And one thing that I kind of come at, and one thing that I think in the Emily Gortzynski essay that she wrote five years since United Right was, We won the battle that day.
This is me meta-quoting her.
We won the battle that day, but are we going to win the war?
Have we lost the war?
As she looks at it, the stuff that was being said on the streets of Charlottesville that day are now practically standard Republican talking points.
It's being tweeted by Republican congressmen now.
It's being tweeted out, it's being put out there.
These ideas are being spread, not by, but mainstream figures.
It's not just Tucker Carlson.
The whole conversation has shifted around this.
These people, so marginal.
The Daily Show is such this tiny little thing, compared to The Daily Wire, or even Elijah Schafer, or somebody like that.
It has this cultural cachet because it's being listened to, it's being followed by people who are at least in contact with that larger community who have actual positions within a media apparatus.
That's the project.
That's the thing that no one on either side of that, whether in the mainstream or not, wants to really address.
Which again, probably why Elijah Schaffer wasn't allowed to bring Ethan Ralph on your here.
Like, I really want to know the details of that.
I am fascinated by, like, you know, exactly how that didn't happen.
Because Ethan Ralph says, you know, Sydney Watson was like, it said, Oh yeah, this should be fine, whatever.
And how much like Sydney Watson was like kept in the loop on all this shit.
Like Elijah Schaefer, like since we've done the Elijah Schaefer shit, like he, I've seen other stuff.
He's so much worse than even I thought.
Like he's so terrible that I've been sharing this like privately with Jack and it's just kind of like jaw dropping, you know, just exactly how far he will go in the right setting anyway.
I kind of think of this as a little bit of a reboot, although I don't speak German.
We're getting back into the weeds of this.
This is the project we're going to be doing, and thank you for your support!
We appreciate it.
I would love to do this full-time.
I cannot ask for more than you have already given me, frankly.
By any standard of what a podcast makes for our level of audience capture, Like, we make, we do fine, ultimately.
But also, it's like minimum wage, based on like the number of hours that I put into this project, you know what I mean?
The amount of work you put in is, yeah.
Even when I'm not producing podcast episodes, again, I don't want, I keep extending, Just to be clear, even when I'm not producing a podcast episode, I'm still doing all the archiving and listening work, you know?
The sheer fucking listening!
Jesus Christ!
Like, hours a day!
I listen for hours a day, and I have my archive script running Basically 24 hours a day.
It's not quite true.
It's like 18 hours a day.
My archive script is running.
I turned it off to do this podcast recording so that to give us better audio quality over the internet, you know, but it is running all the time.
I am monitoring it like regularly, you know.
There's so much work that goes into the background here that has nothing to do with actually recording this podcast.
And again, I am not asking for more money at this point.
Like that is not what this is.
It's just like, It's like an ask for, you know, no one ever gave me shit for like not producing podcast episodes with this much regularity.
You know, I think people understand, but it's also like, there's so much that goes into this that has nothing to do with actually sitting down and hitting record, you know, and you know, and that's where we are.
We're incredibly grateful for all the support you give us, and even if it's just telling people about the show, spreading the word, retweeting, or whatever.
That's fantastic.
If you've been a listener for a while, share it with one person in your life you think might like it.
I mean, look, that makes a huge difference.
It makes a huge difference.
Just knowing that somebody's listening, that's huge by itself.
Because this filth, it rises.
The liberal media are obsessed with the idea that the stochastic terrorism happens because Trump says something, or Marjorie Taylor Greene says something, or whatever.
And it's, yeah, I mean, Tucker Carlson, yeah, to an extent.
There's an element of that, to be sure.
But far more of it rises up from the bottom.
It's more like rising, creeping, damp, coming up from this cesspit.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Alright, next time!
next time next time on the fun filled we will be talking about how these same genocidal racists use uh street crime to enhance their genocidal agenda and grow their political party that will be the be the nice episode set in stone
i know i don't have a great record on actually producing that but like that's what i've been prepping when i'm not doing prep for this episode that's the next episode for sure even if even if a news story comes out that we need to talk about that will be the next episode i am holding myself to that uh absolutely that was episode 114 and uh we will return goodbye everybody that was
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