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June 23, 2022 - I Don't Speak German
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111: Elijah Schaffer etc, with José

This time Daniel and Jack welcome special guest José, brilliant YouTube essayist, for a chat about Elijah Schaffer and José's recent video about him and the US Christian Right.  We also sorely try the good man's patience with much frivolity and digression.  Things get giggly when we start talking about Glen Beck's novels.  A thoroughly good time, this one... before we begin our descent back into hell next time... Content Warnings Always Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent. Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618 IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Episode Notes: José on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JoseNotAJay José on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Jos%C3%A9Tube José's excellent video about Elijah Schaffer etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4UkGXZyTqc One of José's videos about Dave Rubin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwyucS8DiiQ José's video about Glen Beck's The Overton Window: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=100XL1eON6Y José's video about Glen Beck's Jesus / Santa crossover novel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICY3npmtQeg José's video about Jimmy Dore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwsr1PDpb2g&t=1814s José's video about Married with Children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4tmyGvqNJk&t=4s There are loads more great videos from José, covering Tucker Carlson, Lauren Southern, Steven Crowder, Tim Pool, etc etc etc...

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This is I Don't Speak German.
I'm Jack Graham, he/him, and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he/him, who spent years tracking the far right in their safe spaces.
In this show we talk about them, and about the wider reactionary forces feeding them and feeding off them.
Be warned, this is difficult subject matter.
Content warnings always apply.
Where there is fled the visionary gleam, Where is it now, the glory and the dream?
I don't know, what are you asking me for?
What I do know, however, is what podcast this is.
It's I Don't Speak German, episode 111, and I'm here with Daniel, who will now speak.
Hey.
That was the fifth element reference, just in case anybody didn't notice, but, you know, it's fine.
I actually didn't notice, but it's good.
It's very good.
And this is also a very special episode because we have with us a special guest, YouTube's own Jose.
Hi, Jose.
Hi, thanks for having me here.
Am I supposed to make a Fifth Element joke?
Yeah, we should have warned you before the show started.
When you start, you have to make a fifth element joke, yeah.
It's an eccentric rule of ours, but it is our rule nonetheless.
So yeah, you can't be on the show now, I'm afraid.
That's it.
It's over.
I record every episode in the Milojevovic bandage costume, just to be clear.
You know, I put that on every time, regardless of how it smells.
That's how this goes.
So glad this is not in person right now.
Yes, well, we're off to a great start, obviously.
This is how you know that I respect our guest hosts, is I reveal terrible things about my fetishes regarding 1997 sci-fi movies, so, you know.
It's the ultimate tribute.
But yeah, we do actually have some other things to talk about besides Daniel's attire.
Yeah, no, no.
As glorious as that is.
Really, what we were going to do is to talk about the Extended Home Improvement Universe, based on Jose's brilliant video regarding the Sitcom, the Simalan Sitcom Home Improvement.
That's where we're going to go for this, right?
I'm up for that.
Are we going to explore whether or not Last Man Standing is just home improvement in a parallel universe?
Because that's a theory I've heard out there.
I would actually really love to see you tackle Last Man Standing.
I have so many thoughts about Tim Allen, and not just because, and this is doxing in a way, in a level that we have not done on this podcast previously.
Tim Allen and I actually share an alma mater.
I actually know people who did coke with Tim Allen in the 70s, so you should definitely message me if you do anything else with Tim Allen, Jose.
That would be really valuable, though.
I feel like if I'm watching Last Man Standing, things have already gone disastrously wrong where I want to take my YouTube channel.
Fair enough, fair enough.
Yeah.
Yeah, because, you know, your YouTube channel usually confines itself to only the most savory of people and subjects.
Mind you, we can talk, can't we?
People might have caught the recent video that you did, Jose, on Elijah Schaffer and associated subjects, which I think my voice actually pops up in that, which surprised me when I watched it the first time.
And Daniel, I think, Conferred with you a little bit behind the scenes on making that.
But yeah, that was an excellent video.
Well, thanks.
It's just kind of interesting.
He's one of those topics that when I started, I didn't think it would go quite as bad as it thought.
I had eventually gotten how just dark that whole space is, and him in particular.
But It was an experience.
For me, the amusing part is that I look at that and go, yeah, look at all the shit that Jose left out that was way, way darker.
It's kind of where I landed because it would never be allowed on YouTube, ultimately.
You know, maybe that's my own my own bias, but, you know, like chatting behind the scenes, it's like, and look at all this shit.
And Jose is like, you know, silent vomiting noise.
You know, to be honest with what I got in that video, I'm surprised I got it without any real trouble on YouTube.
I there was like certain clips in there.
I was thinking, I don't even know how he was able to upload this.
How am I going to upload it where it's just in a series of horrible things?
Yeah, absolutely.
There was stuff that just couldn't fit in that video.
Where do you just drop in the random clip of him saying... One example, he made a comment about Muslim people wanting to have sex with animals.
I don't have time.
I would have to spend another 15 minutes going into the history of Just bigotry towards Muslim populations from people like Schaefer on the right.
So, sadly, I had to make a few cuts.
Yeah, no, that wasn't a criticism, but I am curious.
My memory is that you messaged me because I think we had maybe like mutual followed each other and then like maybe chatted a little bit.
And then like you, I had posted about doing something like more serious about Elijah Schaefer and you had messaged me and maybe I'm misremembering this, but like, I'm wondering sort of like, Sure.
Well, it started actually a long while ago.
I was sort of vaguely aware of Elijah Shaver back in 2020.
I knew he was this guy covering Black Lives Matter demonstrations and showing up and Spreading around a lot of footage that was deliberately shot and edited to make the demonstrators look as negative as possible.
At the time, he was just one of many guys like that out there.
But he just kept popping up like a bad penny everywhere you looked.
He just would turn up.
I noticed he showed up in that Lauren Southern movie that no one watched called Crossfire, which is basically just copaganda.
He's interviewed.
I remember seeing him at the time and feeling kind of bad for him because he had this almost emotional breakdown when he was talking about his experience.
I remember thinking to myself, this guy seems like he has PTSD or something.
Something not quite right here.
And then he would show up again on, like, when I was doing work on Tim Pool, like, oh, there he is, showing up on Timcast.
And then I'd move on to, like, Tucker Carlson, and there he is again.
And he just seemed to get increasingly detached and always just so animated.
Like, when you hear him talk, he's just so on the edge of his seat, bursting at the seams, talking about, I don't know, like, Mr. Potato Head or something, and how it's, like, the downfall of civilization.
Uh and I just uh started thinking you know what I at some point I might want to look at this guy because he just seems so so strange he just wears his heart on his sleeve in a way that's Not that common among some of the people I cover anyways.
There are other people who are much more careful operators, so I thought he would be a good vantage into that world where he's someone who's a bit more unguarded.
And then it just so happened I've been listening to this podcast for a while, and hearing you guys talk about Elijah Schaffer made me think, you know, I thought you'd be a good resource to reach out to and speak to on this subject.
I know we had briefly interacted on Twitter for like half a second about Lauren Southern.
You just sort of said, if there's anything that ever comes up, and I thought, you know what?
Maybe this is something that has come up and it did.
And yeah, once we got into contact, it went from there.
Yeah.
I mean, just to be clear, like, you know, Jose and I like chatted and like shared some notes back and forth.
And ultimately the video that Jose made is not something I would ever have made.
You know, that's not an I don't speak German episode.
That's something like completely independent.
Uh, I, I think it's a brilliant video that, uh, you know, kind of took, you know, our conversations and went like far beyond, or at least far elsewhere than what would have been on the show.
And, uh, like, I love it.
I've watched it like five times.
Wow.
It's more than me actually.
Uh, well, yeah, thanks for that.
Uh, I definitely did want to go in its, uh, in its own direction.
I remember when I was speaking with you about it, there were like some ideas there that, uh, I don't know.
They just got the wheels turning in my own head.
Part of it was just speaking to the audience I already know I have, which I'm sure there's a lot.
Well, I've seen the comments.
There's definitely an overlap with this podcast.
Also, the haters.
That may come up later.
Oh, yeah.
Sure.
We can make some time for them.
This podcast goes in some more really intense, dark directions.
It's tougher to do that on YouTube in general.
Also, I know my channel, thanks to some of the media criticism I do, also speaks to a more mainstream audience at times as well.
So I wanted something that was expansive but also accessible.
So that's why I decided to sort of branch it out, not just Schaefer himself, but the structures and system that make a person like this possible, or make it possible for them to have a career in media.
Yeah, no, I mean, I like to think that, like, what we're doing here is to provide the, like, information and the perspective for, you know, even, like, mainstream media, like, you know, people from, like, you know, respectable outlets.
Not to say that you're not a respectable outlet, but, you know, like, the New York Times, the Washington Post will, like, message me and go, can I get a quote from you?
And then, like, usually it's, like, you know, not anything like, but at least, like, to provide, like, an informational resource.
for people and so like you know i have no again there's no complaint for me like i again i love the video i think it's great i highly recommend people watch it it will be of course the first link in the show notes so if anyone has listened to this and hasn't watched this video please go watch the video it's great
um i among other things one of the things that i really appreciated was that you like plugged it into kind of the like a potted history of the religious right and sort of uh used um sort of schaefer's rhetoric uh and and schaefer's kind of kind of placed within this uh kind of right-wing ecosystem and like plugged into like kind of what was going on in like the late 70s early 80s um Would you like to talk a little bit about that and expand on it, maybe, from what you did in the video?
Sure.
Well, the story goes back really far and I sort of chose the 70s and 80s just because particularly around the discourse of abortion and how that's often propagated as this This myth, really, about what activated the evangelical movement on the right to galvanize into what would be the moral majority in the 1980s.
But when you actually examine what was going on there, you'll see it was actually more of a not-so-bottom-up but rather top-down, particularly through political operatives who were trying to galvanize this religious base into voting for the Republican Party.
And to do that, there was a lot of A lot of different ways in which they would test different Different issues that you would see that would eventually make up what would be the platform of the group called the Moral Majority.
Sort of vague anti-gay rhetoric, abortion, of course, and other issues.
But the only reason the leadership got on board with this wasn't because they felt as if their values were under attack, but rather it was to save their tax-exempt status as a religious organization, particularly their schools.
And because at the time, the civil rights law Civil rights legislation had passed, which was cracking down on certain religious schools, Bob Jones University being a prominent example, that were trying to enforce a whites-only student body.
The justification is actually kind of funny.
They argued that since they weren't taking any government funding, they shouldn't be subject to any laws coming from the federal government, even though tax-exempt status is a government benefit.
And then, you know, to protect these institutions as they from having to pay taxes basically they started cycling through these issues and sort of propagandizing them and creating movies providing these like
Sermons to their congregations, they started really galvanizing the sort of rank and file in their churches and they would organize and soon you had this giant political movement, which just 10 years ago was relatively indifferent towards subjects like abortion.
And now it's sort of taken as just a Sort of a foundational myth of this right-wing Christian group, which, you know, propagated throughout the 1980s, 90s, all right up to the present.
That it was somehow some sort of moral statement when it was really based on greed and racism.
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a larger story there around a congealing of Catholic anti-abortion groups with evangelical Christian groups, which is outside of the scope of both this podcast
And your video, which I think people have pushed back slightly on the socio-political nature of the rise of the religious right, which I've seen in the last couple of months, especially with the upcoming overturning of Roe v. Wade.
Yay!
Life is getting great!
Yeah.
Like, yeah, overturn Roe v. Wade.
Yeah, that's that's something we all get to look forward to.
Yay.
But yeah, no, no, I definitely agree.
And I find like some of the some of the figures I just kind of like I kept like putting my finger on and going like, oh, yeah, you're talking about X person.
And that's a thing that I could do a whole episode about.
And I'm sure you could do a whole video about.
There is this like hugely complex history that kind of gets, like, left behind in terms of some of, even those of us who have a very, you know, the best intentions, sometimes the history gets lost in terms of tracking sort of the immediate.
And I don't know, this might be, like, a bigger question than you want to answer, and go wherever you want with it, but, you know, how do you kind of confront that with your own work?
In general, you know.
Well, in general, it's always a challenge to ask, where does the story start?
And it really varies by topic.
I mean, sometimes you want to go back to the start of when a person started their career in media, for instance.
I remember one of the first big videos I did was on Dave Rubin.
A fascinating topic, of course.
So, I started off with his career in- That is a great video.
It was, I feel like it was one of the first in the field of Rubinology.
We should hook you up with Ina if you're not in contact already.
She and I have not been in contact, but I've been enjoying her podcast for years.
It's actually through her I found this podcast, funnily enough.
Awesome.
She's fantastic and I very much appreciate her Dave Rubin stances.
I'm sorry to interrupt you there, but no, that video is kind of a touchstone for me because your video on Rubin, I mean, because that makes it very clear something I think is very important.
It makes very clear, which is that these people, you know, and it doesn't absolve them in any way, but they are led by their audience.
That thing where Rubin drifts further and further in a particular political direction led by the section of the audience that rewards some behavior and punishes other behavior.
No, I love that video.
Yeah, that part in particular was me trying to wrap my head what I had seen happen.
I'll say this with a bit of shame.
When I first saw Dave Rubin go out on his own, I was optimistic.
I was hopeful.
I thought he was going to be the guy who talked to all sides and gave us interesting perspectives on politics.
And as I just, within a few months, it became clear that he was not up to the task.
And worse yet, he was Being influenced by these commenters who were just rewarding him for having these absolute ghouls on and not challenging them or pushing back in any meaningful way.
And, well, look where he is now.
He went from being, what is it, the last liberal or something, and now he's just another Trump supporter.
Yeah, this question of being captured by your audience is fascinating.
In particular, not to jump around, but Sydney Watson, who you spoke about a bit in your video about Elijah Schieffer, in terms of the interview with Nick Fuentes.
I think a lot of what made her leave was less You know, this kind of particular, you know, kind of interaction with, you know, Nicky Boy, as we call him here.
But, like, the fact that, you know, the audience is literally, like, you know, trolling her to do her, to make her, like, do Holocaust, you know, denial memes and that sort of thing, like, live on the show.
Like, they're just, like, sort of designing their Super Chats in a way to make her read, like, the most horrifying shit imaginable.
And it does kind of show that like maybe the audience interaction kind of goes both ways in some ways.
Sure.
And I mean, I also could have brought up that altercation she had with Jack Murphy.
I don't know.
I don't know anything about that.
I don't know anything about that.
Well, you know, he, she was, she was forced to read a super chat.
Well, I shouldn't say forced, but it was part of her job to read super chats.
There was an altercation and It just seemed like that was her job, I guess, to read these horrible things.
I'm sure the audience, or the person who said that super chat at the very least, knew exactly what they were doing when they sent it in.
It seems to be a routine for her, or was a routine when she was still on that show.
Yeah, I mean, my my my, you know, kind of going hypothesis is that Elijah just got like more and more overtly religious.
And she is an atheist, just kind of couldn't deal with it anymore.
But I don't think it has to go any more complicated than that.
But like, yeah, I think that, you know, it's a straw that broke the camel's back ultimately.
But this is all speculation.
You know, we're not speaking journalistically at this, at least in this juncture.
I don't speak journalism.
Do we know where Elijah is with Glenn now after the Mormons are all going to hell incident?
I have not seen any changes there.
I know he is on vacation.
His whole week he's had fill-in hosts.
I don't know if that was a planned vacation or not.
And oh, we could talk about the fill-in hosts if you have observed that enough to say.
I've seen a few clips.
I have not watched the episodes, though.
Oh, I have.
John Doyle was the lead on one of them.
And then Alex Stein was the lead on the other one.
And John Doyle is literally talking about the viral clips that went live of the Christian fascists going to a drag show and going like, You know, when we take power, you won't have any rights.
That's the guy.
And they're literally bragging about this.
And it's the most disgusting anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-any, you know, beyond.
It is the most overtly fascist thing imaginable outside of literal Jew hatred.
It's like three steps removed from the Daily Shoah, ultimately.
I find it like on an intellectual level I find it fascinating that this gets like broadcast and on a personal level I find it absolutely terrifying and so I don't know I don't know how do you how do you square that circle Jose?
It's it's very Tough to really grasp how some of this stuff gets on YouTube, aside from the fact that the temperature feels like it's slowly been going up for years now.
To the point where, I mean, some of the stuff Elijah was saying was pretty shocking, like outright calls for violence and just...
Bullying random people on the internet.
And John Doyle is obviously, you know, he's just as bad if not worse.
He's worse.
He's worse.
Not to say Elijah Schaefer is not bad.
John Doyle is worse.
John Doyle is Nick Fuentes with the like the very roughest of rough edges filed off.
That's how bad John Doyle is, just to be clear.
Sure, I'd accept that assessment.
I've only, I don't know.
John Doyle is one of those guys.
I always, also makes me like feel bad, like sad for him because He'll just say things and he'll kind of let things slip.
He's not quite as sloppy as Elijah, but he'll let things slip where you can tell there's a lot of insecurity there and a lot of just this... He seems like a sad boy, basically, playing at being a fascist.
Although I don't doubt for a second he would love to be a real one.
One day he might grow up, I guess, but it's just...
Kind of shocking that you can be an open fascist on YouTube and still have, you know, hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
And I mean, they might comment about the algorithm is supposedly hiding them or whatever.
And as a YouTuber, I can tell you with certainty, you know, when the algorithm is hiding, hiding you because you can present the evidence.
And these guys never seem to do that.
And it's just, They're just sort of out there and with no real sort of filter, I guess.
Well, I mean, they use dog whistles, I guess.
There's a hidden factor here, which is they're part of the Blaze.
They're part of the Glenn Beck Media Network.
Is John Doyle on there?
John Doyle?
I think, hmm, let me look it up.
Go ahead and say what you've got to say, Jack.
I was just going to say, this is really interesting to me because it does, as somebody who doesn't really do YouTube, I have a channel, but I don't use it seriously.
Whereas you, Jose, you're a successful YouTuber.
You know how to use the system.
You might have some insight.
Well, I'm sure you do have insights on this.
It seems sort of as a semi-outsider looking in, like they can just say or do whatever the hell they like.
Whereas people like yourself, I mean, even in this conversation, you were talking earlier about having to be careful what you can put into your video, what you can get away with.
When you're literally talking about clipping or repeating for analytical purposes, journalistic coverage purposes, what they do and say, and it seems the imbalance is quite stark.
Yeah.
In those cases, for instance, I'm sure Elijah Schaefer doesn't need to worry about it because he's part of Blaze where they are paying him Whereas I, I mean, you know, I have to, hopefully I have a few patrons supporting me and, but that AdSense money does, you know, make a difference in my life.
So he can just say whatever he wants and, you know, whether it's fully monetized or not, it does ultimately doesn't make a difference to him because he's got this, this whole media company that's going to pay him regardless.
And being part of that network, to a degree, does offer you some protection.
I mean, I can use the example of Steven Crowder, a guy who just pumps unfiltered racism on his channel and just cyberbullying of specific individuals.
But he's also got, what, like 5 million subscribers?
Even with limited monetization, that's still a lot of money for YouTube.
Ultimately, that bottom line is something that they're more concerned about.
Someone like me, who's only got about $150, when I put a video out there, there's a chance it might get limited monetization or no monetization.
I can challenge that, but even that's a roll of the dice.
I've had videos that We're basically going over facts and trying to sort of responsibly discuss something get slammed down with monetization penalties from one reviewer or then I would upload it You know, a few days later, because I had to make some changes, and then it would be fine for monetization.
And then I'd have to make changes, and all of a sudden the reviewer would say, actually, it's not fine anymore.
It's a very arbitrary system, and very frustrating if you're someone who in any way counts on that AdSense money.
Yeah, it must be incredibly frustrating.
Is part of it just the usual imbalance between the ease with which the right can pump material out and the difficulty of countering it?
Because that seems to be a thing with reactionary YouTubers as well.
Well, just reactionaries online generally, just the volume of material, you know, Tim Pool and Jimmy Dore, who you've also done a video about, a very good video about Jimmy Dore, and Stephen Crowder.
The amount, the volume of material that they just pump out, it's constant, it's a tsunami.
Whereas if you're covering these people, you have to kind of, you have to pick over it.
Yeah, I mean, that's the frustrating part of it.
Whenever I do a response to one of those channels that just pumps out so much content, I'll sit down and...
I'll go through everything.
By the time my video is ready, I always feel a bit bad because it's a month after all this stuff has been said.
It's all been done.
Ideally, you'll try to make something that's a bit more timeless to show that these narratives are occurring over weeks or months even.
In that sense, you can kind of push back.
By then, they've already moved on to the next thing.
They're pushing the next nonsense talking points.
It takes time to get things right and that's time they don't need to take advantage of that time because they're not so much concerned with getting things right as they are with pushing a narrative.
So they can go out there and say just absurdly ridiculous things.
I still remember when Tim Poole was talking about, and this was shortly before or when the COVID vaccines were first coming out, he said it was something like a Either a .02% chance that you'll suffer anaphylaxis if you take that vaccine.
Ridiculous.
I mean, anaphylaxis, anaphylactic shock could kill a person.
And he's saying there it's like a, what, one in 5,000 chance you could experience that from taking that vaccine?
Obviously not true.
Like, not even close to true.
And it would only take five seconds of reading that article more carefully to see it was an allergic reaction.
Like, I don't know, like a rash or something.
And that's just a dramatic difference in what he's trying to say there.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter.
He's not there to accurately report the facts on what this vaccine does.
He's there to tell people, vaccine bad.
And I will read the news through whatever prism I need to, to reinforce that narrative that the vaccine is bad.
Yeah, absolutely.
But does the sheer volume of material that they produce kind of insulate them from the kind of consequences that might harm a YouTuber such as yourself, just in terms of the sanctions that YouTube itself might put on your material?
Yeah, I'm sure it does.
Because if I have one video that gets heavily censored or removed or what have you, that's a month's work that I am now out of.
Whereas if you put out, I don't know, 15 videos a week, and even if a third of them vanish into the ether, that's still like 10 videos that are going to get like 100,000 views plus in some cases.
And there's actually something really funny that happened when I was working on that Jimmy Dore video.
I don't even remember if I put this in my video because it was just I don't know what to make of it.
He actually had a video that got pulled down, and he just redid the whole thing a few days later, but he just omitted the section that got him in trouble with YouTube.
So it was like, at worst, it cost him a few days, whatever revenue he was making off of that thing, and he was just able to do the whole thing all over again.
Once again, related to COVID, of course, and downplaying the risk.
But I recognized it right away because I'd been watching so much of his content and this other video came up and it was just him telling jokes I know I had heard because I remember myself not laughing at them the first time.
And so when I went back in my notes and I just looked, it's like, oh, beat for beat.
This is the same video.
He's just doing it again.
It is entirely possible that I have both of those videos in my archive, by the way.
If you can give me the title or something, I can look in my archive because I archive every about four days.
So just FYI.
Can I just say that, you know, having covered Jimmy Dore a bit myself, I feel a deep sense of kinship with you right now, Jose.
Brothers.
Brothers.
I feel like there are better bonds to have, but absolutely.
There's something uniquely unfunny about that guy.
And he's so unlikable.
I don't see the appeal, aside from the rage, I guess.
that was a long couple of weeks weeks yeah yeah i know the jimmy door phenomenon the jimmy door aesthetic is like sitting cross-legged like cross to the camera and then pointing vaguely to something that's on a green screen behind you and
And I find it like, like, you know, like I'm perfectly fine with, you know, not everybody can do like, you know, full, like fully, you know, aesthetically etiquette, etiquette videos and that sort of thing.
But like Jimmy Dore is like particularly bad at this.
Um, and yeah, no, I agree.
Like, I don't, I don't get it.
I just don't understand why anyone would find this person at all compelling.
Um, yeah.
For some people, I guess it's, it's just, they need a certain narrative reinforced and they'll go to whatever angry man on YouTube will reinforce that narrative.
Yeah, and there's a lot of different angry men, you know, that will scratch different itches aesthetically.
I think, not to reignite the Jimmy Dore discourse, which I think we're done with for the most part on this show, but yeah, I think there is, you know, it's just the market filling a gap, isn't it?
There is something about, some people want to see this stuff coming from a kind of angry befuddled boomer who says he's a leftist.
That seems to be what some of the audience wants.
He's cornered that guy.
Yeah.
And his audience can then say, it's like, yeah, I listen to people on the left.
I listen to Jimmy Dore.
It's like, I'm sure it makes you feel like you have a well-rounded diet, but he's really just, you know, he's an older, angrier Tim Pool at this point.
I listen to people on the left who just reiterate the talking points I got on the right.
That's how you know it's a fair and balanced thing in my head.
I am a rationalist.
Don't you understand?
Do we have a result on John Doyle?
He is not part of the Blaze Network as far as I can tell, but the fact that he has been on Slightly Offensive so many times tells me that if he's not being directly funded by someone who is connected to Glenn Beck, he will be very shortly.
Um, I think it is, uh, worth noting that he has not appeared on any of the, like, TPUSA events or anything like that.
Um, except like in the, like, background, you know, where, you know, Elijah Schaeffer is interviewing him.
So it feels like more that he's auditioning for a role in a Blaze TV kind of thing.
Um, so that, that's, that, that, that was my mistake.
I was, I was thinking like, no, clearly he's part of that network and, uh, no, it doesn't seem like he is.
So.
And yet, kind of, he is as well, by the looks of it.
He's part of the social network.
He's part of the group, you know what I mean?
And I think that's what strikes me in terms of the kind of conversation about YouTube, which we've been talking about for a while, is that
You know, and Jose brings this up, you know, briefly, but I think very pertinently in his video is there are like networks of, you know, kind of left-leaning YouTuber people, you know, the Young Turks, like for all the problems that I have with the Young Turks and Cinco de Mayo and, you know, all of that network, you know, that is a, at least a, like, manifestly the kind of, you know, Partisan Democrat left of center, you know, kind of kind of network.
But like, even as big as the Young Turks is, it gets dwarfed by the quantity of the stuff on the right.
And the only way that anyone can pretend that these two things are equal is to bring in like Jimmy Kimmel thinks that maybe we should not have children die of cancer because they can't pay for it.
And therefore, Jimmy Kimmel Live is leftist, you know, in terms of its like political ideology, which, you know, he's a little like he was only on The Man Show in the 2000s.
Like, go fuck yourself, you know?
You know, not to say that, you know, I have like some deep problem with Jimmy Kimmel.
It's just like, you know, there's a very different kind of like scale of these things.
Like and again, Jose brings that up.
Uh, briefly in, in, in his video, which, um, and that's kind of where we land on this.
It's not so much like, I think in 2022, the, like the length of content, because while I think that is a factor, uh, today, it is less of a factor than it was, uh, when like sort of the, uh, the, the live streaming, the, the blood sports era, which in which there were like.
22 hour live streams of Nazis just literally pursuing Holocaust denial for 100 people.
It feels like a very different environment now.
And Elisha Schaffer seems to be kind of at the center of the current era in terms of, we don't go quite so far as to literally deny the Holocaust.
We don't talk about the Jews, quote unquote.
We don't talk about elimination.
We don't talk about that.
But We do go really up to the edge of that, and that's kind of where the far right is in 2022, at least in terms of the YouTube community.
They've learned how far they can go, and that's kind of the terrifying thing for me, because what that means is they can kind of push their ideas Further into the mainstream.
And I think you need to look no further than the fact that Patriot Front is, you know, hauling themselves into U-Hauls, 31 people at a time to go on to drag events in Idaho to, quote unquote, protest, which is to say, you know, violently oppose.
And that's what I think we're going to be seeing more and more this summer.
I mean, I think 2022 is going to be the new 2017 in terms of, you know, summer events.
in terms of, you know, summer events.
And we all know what the end of 2017 meant, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I completely agree.
And it's...
What's really scary, though, is in 2017 it felt like it was this I know it technically wasn't new, but it still had this kind of outsider status.
But with someone like Elijah Shaver, like Blaze Media, or The Daily Caller, or PragerU, or these just now institutions, these entities that exist on YouTube and other platforms to push this just really hard right It feels like there's now this institutional support behind these really odious people.
I had a good laugh yesterday seeing those idiots get arrested for trying to interrupt that Pride event.
I don't know how long that's going to last.
I don't think they're going to stop.
I'm sure there's probably going to be another event.
Will the cops be there, or will the cops even bother to do anything this time?
Maybe the cops will even help them out in some cases.
It feels like this isn't just 2017.
This is 2017, but The side that was threatening everyone else has learned some, unfortunately, very useful lessons.
And I would be shocked if they didn't put those into action.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And this is why the next, you know, the next few episodes are going to be completely about, like, the TRS.
It's the universe.
Uh, which we were going to do previously, but then like some mass shooters got in the way, like, you know?
Um, so, uh, yeah, we have that problem repeatedly, don't we?
Yeah, it's funny, we talked about this in the last episode, feeling like the cycle has sort of started again, and here we are on the upswing.
And it's, yeah, it's 2017 all over again, but this time we have, you know, a Republican Party that is just the MAGA party now, essentially, which is a fascist party, just openly and institutionally, and pretty much with the leadership resigned to it, or enthusiastic.
And we're also now post-COVID and post-massive global recession in the middle of the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukraine, you know, global food shortages.
It's 2017 again, but it's 2017 with every screw ratcheted up to its tightest pitch, which is wonderful, obviously.
Well, in the far right is certain lessons of 2017.
I think that's something that is really not being reported on.
Yeah, it's 2017, but it's also post-2017, yeah.
Yeah, this is something that you and I, Jack, discussed, and which Jose highlighted, I think, very, very aptly in his video.
You know, that moment in which, you know, Nick Fuentes is going like, and then we're talking about foreign aid to Israel.
You understand, like, foreign aid to Israel.
That was something that really converted me.
And Elijah Schaffer is like, hold on, hold on.
Are you talking about, like, foreign aid to Israel in specific?
Are you talking about foreign aid to, like, foreign countries?
Like, he is, like, you know, tamping this down because he understands how not to, like, get into the actual overt Nazi shit.
Which, like, Milo Yiannopoulos or, you know, Gavin McInnes in, like, 2016-2017 were not, like, able to do in so much of a way.
And, like, that's where I think, like, and just to bring it back to Elijah, Elijah knows.
Elijah knows exactly where the boundary is in terms of, like, keeping his bread buttered by, you know, by Blaze TV, by Glenn Beck.
He knows where the line is, which also means that he absolutely knows how terrible Nick Fuentes and the people more terrible than Nick Fuentes are.
And it's hard for me not to look at that and go, yeah, this is going to get worse before it gets better.
And I'm sorry about that.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
It's like if Elijah Schaefer is the 2022 iteration of the problem, then it's kind of like that exchange to me is like that, the 2022 iteration of the problem, kind of coaching the 2017 version into 2022.
It's like saying this is how you say it now.
And if you just sort of learn these new rules, you can come along with us openly and it's fine.
It is worrying thinking about how to address this in the year 2022.
And it's definitely a question I've been asking myself.
I mean, the direction my YouTube channel's gone, I would love nothing more than to just talk about, I don't know, Sabrina the Teenage Witch or something.
And that would be it.
I could just talk about old TV shows from the 90s.
It'd be nice to not have to think about these people.
But at the same time, I...
I feel like there's something that should be done.
Awareness needs to be raised, and we need to be hyper-vigilant more so than ever, particularly when we see the attacks on the trans community right now, when you see legislation being introduced to deny people healthcare.
How can we not be talking about this?
Even that sort of recent story about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard and how that just became a thing on YouTube as a way of just dumping all over the Me Too movement and trying to portray women as hysterical liars about their abusers.
All this stuff is just coming back again the way it was in 2016 or 2017 on YouTube as What the rest of the world is going to be seeing and has been seeing for some time.
I think it was a mistake to think we had turned the corner, not that I certainly didn't think we had, and I'm sure neither of you thought we had turned the corner on anything, but I think a lot of people did.
A lot of people thought, you know, once Trump's gone, things will change, things will get better, and it really hasn't.
It's just kind of, the can has been kicked down the road, but it's still there, and we're coming up on it again, and this time it's nastier, got sharper edges, and we really just have to be, I think, Fight back as hard as we can.
There's a phrase, which I believe it comes from James Connolly originally, he was talking about The Partition of Ireland, a carnival of reaction.
And I felt that way looking at YouTube in the last few weeks with the Amber Heard, Johnny Depp thing, where it's just... I didn't go looking for that story, but it was foisted upon me.
And just the completely normalized, virulent misogyny.
The thing that's scary about that is that they are repeating extremely reactionary ideas and talking points via the vector of talking about domestic violence and abuse and things like that.
And a lot of them don't even realise they're doing it, and I think a lot of them do, but a lot of the people that are talking about this don't realise they're doing it.
But they are engaging in that same sort of political, economic behaviourism that we were talking about before with Rubin, sort of being led by the audience.
Because there's this massive appetite on social media for content that feeds these sorts of impulses.
I just saw a story, I think it was published earlier today.
I believe it was from Taylor Lorenz actually at the Washington Post talking about how YouTubers who have been discussing this trial have made something like over $100,000 just from like super chats covering the trial live.
Which is, I think, tells you everything you need to know about the incentives that exist on YouTube.
If you can produce just huge volumes of content that speak to people who are willing to pay money to have certain narratives being reinforced, then, yeah, it's going to make you big money and you will, you know, you'll make lots of money.
I don't know.
It's up to each of these people to decide how they sleep at night, but I certainly can think of better ways to earn a living.
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
But the thing about Elijah Schafer is, again, we touched upon this a bit, is he's kind of this weird mix of, it's a weird word to use about him, but he's this weird mix of guilelessness.
Because he does just kind of talk, you know, he gets enthusiastic and he just talks and talks and it comes out.
You know, and he gets he gets hyped up and some of the stuff that comes out, it's it's obviously unguarded, I think.
But at the same time, he's a mix of that and canniness.
And you can see that in that conversation where he's guiding Nick Fuentes.
So he knows the rules of the game, and he's using them to put across this genuine enthusiasm he has for absolutely wicked, evil, crackpot, far-right ideas.
Everything is obviously in the mix, you know.
But he's kind of, as I say, he's the 2022 version.
He's canny to the rules of the game.
He knows how to present it aesthetically now, post-2017, post-COVID, post-everything.
And that is, you know, the thing about, I mean, particularly sharply recently, the Amber Heard-Johnny Depp thing, is that it demonstrates that the audience is there for this kind of thing, kind of de-linked from overt politics.
If it can, you know, it's there to be sold on social media if you present it aesthetically the right way.
And as you were saying, Daniel, they learned the lessons of 2017, marching through the streets waving swastikas, probably not going to try that approach again.
Elijah Schaffer, for me, he's becoming emblematic of the way in which fascism, let's just call it what it is, fascism is going to work in the social media age.
Yeah, and I think you kind of hit on something there where you were talking about how he's in some ways guileless, but he's got this, he does still know the rules.
And I think The sort of more unguarded moments when he'll just say something absolutely ridiculous.
Like one thing I remember from my video is he thought the whole, I mean, the nonsense groomer narrative, of course, he believes that's like to prime people so that children can get molested in the metaverse in 20 years, which is just like, I don't even know what to say to that.
That's just so ridiculous.
But it's the reason he sort of gets on these flights of fancy is because he he is a true believer.
And I think that that authenticity is what makes him also attractive.
So he's someone who knows the rules of the game, but he still believes it as well.
So he isn't just this kind of so he doesn't seem like a grifter.
Because I think that's another thing that appeals to the audience.
They want to feel like the guy talking to them believes what they're saying.
And, uh, in his case, that might come with a little, uh, the misstep every now and again.
Um, but he's, he's been trained.
He knows where some of the lines are, even if he lets his enthusiasm sometimes take them over those lines and, you know, say his boss is going to hell on something on Twitter, which, uh, sometimes that gets him into trouble.
Well, and the fact that he wasn't fired immediately kind of says something about that, right?
Like, you know, he, you know, I'm just imagining if I was like, my boss is going to go to hell on Twitter, like I would be fired tomorrow.
You know, they, they know what the, what the asset they have in, in Elisha Schaffer, like they have given him an enormous amount of resources.
Like, I'm just kind of imagining what, You know, not to speak for you, Jose, but what any one of us could do with the level of resources that The Blaze has given to Elisha Schaffer in terms of a studio and a camera crew and an editor and a producer and all that sort of thing, in terms of if we just wanted to make more content and put good into the world.
And It speaks volumes that he, based on his bullshit interviews from 2018, and based on what he was doing, attracted that kind of attention, ultimately.
And the fact that despite how far he goes, even if he can't attract advertisers, he attracts An audience, which is kind of the same thing that Fox News is dealing with with Tucker Carlson on a on a very different scale, of course.
But, you know, Tucker Carlson has been bleeding advertisers for years.
But because he is like saying the things that the audience wants to hear, he gets to stick around.
And I think that's what Elijah Schaffer is kind of like banking on right now.
I mean, that was also Glenn Beck's whole story when he was at Fox News as well.
He was someone who had trouble holding on to advertisers, but his ratings were so strong that Fox just felt obliged to keep this huge draw to their network on their airwaves until ultimately he had to He had to go.
I've heard varying stories on how that worked out, but he certainly didn't leave Fox News a poor man, considering he went around and started a media company where he bled tons of money.
But that's the story of The Blaze, which is a whole other subject.
I feel like if this was a YouTube video now is where we clip the Samantha Bee hugging Glenn Beck in early 2017, just to prove the liberals are fucking useless narrative.
Sorry if that might be a little bit too much, Jose.
I know exactly what you mean.
That was, wow.
I remember I read one of Glenn Beck's books where he was talking about that moment and He kind of felt like he had to apologize to his own audience for it, but at the same time, he didn't spend much time dawdling on it.
He was just like, yeah, yeah, that was something I had to do.
Because I thought the left could be reasoned with.
Did you read his novel, by the way, The Overton Window?
It's a treat.
It's a treat.
Yeah.
It's worth a video is all I'm saying.
I mean, I may have already made a video on that novel, actually.
Oh, did you?
I was going to say.
I was going to say, I think Jose's already done that.
Oh, OK.
Sorry, I read the blog of... Sorry, that's... Apologies.
I thought I knew all your videos by heart, but I, you know, we could cut all this shit.
Yeah, that's fine.
Don't make me look like an idiot.
That's, you know, that's the way to go.
Or do.
I'm perfectly happy.
I'll come before you again, Daniel, don't worry.
Jack just saves me whenever I say stupid shit.
That's how I sound really intelligent on this podcast.
I need someone like that for my videos too.
That would be nice.
Just cut out the part where I say anything silly.
Actually, I covered two of Glenn Beck's novels.
He also had that one, The Immortal Nicholas.
That was where Santa and Jesus have a crossover.
That was a weird one.
Holy shit, what?
Sorry, what'd you say?
So it rewrites the story of Saint Nicholas to make him this immortal man who becomes the silent protector for Jesus, like his own personal Batman.
And then once Jesus dies, he like dons the red hat and becomes the gift man known as Santa Claus.
That's a book you wrote.
Oh my god.
Seriously?
Yeah, that's the... I've never heard of it!
I have a whole video on it if you really want to know more about this book.
It was... Oh, yes.
It's what I'm going to be doing immediately after we stop recording, trust me.
I feel like I've seen every Jose video, but apparently not.
Well, the Santa Jesus one is an underrated classic, to be honest.
Not a lot of people watch that one.
Well, we'll put it in the show notes.
We'll put it in the show notes for sure.
Great.
It was one of those ones where it was... Somehow I missed that.
It was Glenn Beck's phase where he was just burning money.
He actually produced a trailer for this book.
It's something else.
I don't know how much money he spent on that trailer, but like thousands and thousands of dollars.
He hired actors, there were sets and costumes.
It's, yeah, it's a treat, that book.
You're opening up a whole new world to me.
I must immediately, you know, sorry, all right, broadcast over, I've got to go.
Glenn Beck IDSG episode with Jose as a special guest, coming up around episode 130.
Expect that, people, you know.
If we can just talk about the works of fiction by Glenn Beck, that would make my day.
I was thinking about doing a bonus episode about the Overton Window because I thought I was the only fucking person who had ever read that thing.
Well, he just met the second person.
Yeah, well, that's how it goes.
I'm familiar with the contents of the Overton Window, but I'm familiar with it via Jose's videos.
So Jose did that thing where he fell on the hand grenade for me.
I actually know there is a third person because there was a blog called Overton Windex, which went through it chapter by chapter, Beckwood at first, and that's really where I first understood there was this terrifying novel by Glenn Beck.
I think I might have to check that blog out.
It might give me a flashback.
Don't tease the panther is the key phrase that I remember from that blog.
That's one of those lines I loved testing out on any of my female friends.
If I just like, what if a guy said this to you?
And you could see the full body shudders just like, and they would tell me they would run.
They would like say like, that's when I start running.
I thought you were going to say like, I'd invite a girl to my apartment, we'd be in bed and then like, you know, she would kind of get a little bit fresh with me and I'd be like, don't tease the panther.
And then like how she responded would determine, you know, whether I wanted to sleep with her or not.
And really it's like, and then I felt the bracing smell of mace.
That's the answer to that question.
You just answered exactly why I would never try something like that.
Yeah, no, exactly.
And it's hard to not think that like Glenn Beck, like it's hard to not imagine Glenn Beck as author insert at like 50 years old being like, don't tease the Panther.
And it's like, dude, seriously, like you're the doughiest white boy that ever doughiest white boy, you know, like.
I was reading interviews you did about that book where he was talking about how he didn't want to insert any sort of cheap, tawdry, salacious bits, which is why at no point does the main character and his love interest ever get physical.
I think at the end of that scene where he says, don't tease the panther, he then gets up to go sleep on the couch afterwards, which I got to say is not something you often see in these kinds of books.
Or no, wait, they share the bed, but they don't hook up.
I think that's what happened there.
No, that's the thing, that's the Mormon, like, sort of, I mean, not even an insult to, like, you know, very fine practicing Mormons whose theology I disagree with and whose, like, social ideology I disagree with, but, you know, like, not even in disagreement to that, but, like, this is, like, sort of the fantasy, like, the resolute Mormon who can sleep next to the gorgeous woman with, you know, a heart on and just, like, not do anything because he's just that,
You know, observant or whatever.
Yeah, it's that fantasy that comes from that kind of world.
We are far away from Elisha Schaffer at this point, who I am fairly certain has never actually been aroused in his life.
And hasn't written a novel yet either, although I think, and again I'm not being original, I can't remember who said this, it might have been the guys on the QAnon Anonymous podcast, but all these people should be forced to write novels, because they always reveal exactly who they are in the novels, like the Ben Shapiro novel, and the Glenn Beck novel, and Bill O'Reilly, loads of them do it, and it's always just so Revealing.
It's so honest.
Finally, you get to the unintentional revelation of the truth when they put their hands to fiction.
They should all have to write novels by law.
If you want to be a right-wing public commentator, you have to write a novel.
That would be the one law I would bring in.
I would sign up for that law just because of the bounty it would be for my channel.
It would just be like I'd entered the promised land to enter this world of right-wing commentators writing novels because Yeah, I sign on to everything you just said there.
It reveals their deepest thoughts and anxieties through what they, I think, assume is the safe lens of fiction.
And I eat them like candy.
I am so excited to read the next one.
Elijah Schafer's novel would be lit.
Can you imagine what that book would be?
It would be a journalist who goes around to, like, Drag Queen Story Hour and is disgusted by, you know, what he finds there.
And then it turns out there is, like, Antifa terrorist groups who are, like, disguising themselves as MAGA hat people.
Planting bombs and shooting people, and it's up to the journalists to work with the sexy FBI agent to go on to solve the crime, etc.
That's exactly what we would find from that story, I'm sure.
I think you're missing the big plot twist at the end though, or maybe not even the end, but he soon finds out that all these Antifa people are secretly demons and he has to take down a satanic cult with the power of the Lord on his side.
I mean, that just goes without saying with Elijah, right?
The only one that wouldn't be fun would be Tim Pool's novel, because that would just be about a rugged, incredibly... A skateboarder, for sure.
He's gotta ride a skateboard.
Well, yeah, it would be a handsome, young, rugged skateboarding journalist called Jim Cool or something, with a full head of hair.
But the novel would just be him sat doing interviews with people and explaining about Thanos and universalism versus consequence.
His novel would just be his career.
It would just be that, except with hair.
That would be it.
I feel like we could convince him to write it, though.
He did release that music video last year, so he's clearly got an artist inside of him.
I'm still waiting for Ben Shapiro to get one of his screenplays turned into something.
I mean, The Daily Wire is producing movies now.
How have they not done that yet?
the content yeah no like our careers are built on you know these people continuing to be cringe so uh yeah that makes sense yeah i'm still waiting for ben shapiro to get one of his screen plays turned into something i mean the daily wire is producing movies now how have they not done that yet how have they not taken one of his very special stories to turn it into a movie i can't think of ben shapiro screenplay and not think of you know the michael scott screenplay in the office you know
yeah Yeah, where it's not just, like, and then Shin Shapiro shows up and, like, shoots the bad guys.
Yeah, no, it's very that, you know.
God, imagine what Crowder's screenplay would be.
He's already wearing the uncharted gun holsters.
How bad could that get, ultimately?
It would just be him going around killing people who are not white.
That would be a big part of it, I imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah, that sounds right.
Anyway, we are very far afield from anything that is remotely relevant to a conversation, but this has been really fun.
Yeah, no, this has been great.
Thanks for coming on.
Oh, thanks for having me.
This was a lot of fun.
I didn't expect us to end up talking about the works of fiction of various right-wing figures, but I'm glad this is where it led us.
Yeah, sometimes we just like to let people off with a break.
And the next episode is going to be Emily Ucas, which I promised three episodes ago, but it is going to be the next episode.
And that's going to just like this one is like the fun one where we just talk about like novels of, you know, terrible people.
And this was going to start with white Sharia rape gangs.
So just to be clear, You're this is the lighthearted version of what this podcast is going to be moving forward for the next few months.
Well, with that enticement issued, thanks for listening, everybody.
And thanks again to our special guest, Jose, brilliant YouTuber.
Go and watch all his videos, which apparently I haven't done.
I thought I had, but apparently not.
And yeah, give us money on Patreon, please, and listen to our episodes, and just be excellent to each other.
Goodbye.
Jose, where can we find you on the internet?
We should do that first.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
I forgot that bit.
Professional podcaster.
As mentioned before, I am on YouTube.
Very easy to find.
You type J-O-S-E into the search bar, I should be one of the top results.
You see an adorable cartoon Blue Jay as the icon for the channel.
That's me.
You can subscribe, watch all my videos.
They're all great.
Every single one of them.
Also, on Twitter, my handle for that is Jose, not a J, all one word.
J is spelled J-A-Y.
I also have a Patreon, which is got some oh, patreon.com forward slash Jose on YouTube.
Good thing I had that page pulled up.
Yeah, those are all the ways to find me on the internet.
I just signed up for that, and I was amused to find my name in the Elijah Schaeffer video, like scrolling up.
It's like, and then Daniel Harper.
I'm like, oh, I know that guy, at least.
So, you know, yeah, please subscribe.
It's great.
Hey, if you become a patron, that could happen to you.
You could be sitting there and seeing your name in the credits and isn't that just worth everything?
And if your name is something similar to Daniel Harper, you could be like very, you could be right next to or right before me.
And so like, you know, you should do that for sure.
And even if you have a custom name, you could be like, Daniel Harper is really cool.
Or Daniel Harper really sucks.
If you want to look.
I would like to see like 20 people join with Daniel Harper Really Sucks 1, Daniel Harper Really Sucks 2, Daniel Harper Really Sucks 3, you know, but as long as they all are paying you, it doesn't bother me at all.
So, you know, please do so.
Daniel Harper's pre-podcast beard.
That would be a good one.
Hey, as long as they're under my Patreon, I accept all names.
Thanks a lot for coming in, Jose.
I really appreciate it.
Yeah, thank you so much.
I would love to have you back again.
Hopefully you've had a good experience, despite all the bullshit.
But, you know, this has been fun and I really do enjoy your content, in particular the sitcom content.
Please, everybody go watch the Married With Children episode.
I know that that's like the big one, but it is, for someone who grew up in the 80s as I did, it really does bring joy to my heart.
So yeah, go check it out.
Go check him all out.
He's great.
Yeah, thank you so much.
It was a blast to be on, and yeah, anytime you want me on here, yeah, I'm back.
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