109: News Roundup - Schaffer, America First, Buffalo Shooter
In a depressing but necessary News Roundup episode, we cover the recent apparent career problems of Elijah Schaffer, the weird implosion of Nick Fuentes' America First Foundation, and... and here comes the depressing part... the recent nazi massacre in Buffalo, New York. This episode is respectfully dedicated to the victims of this crime. Content Extremely Warnings Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent. Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618 IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Episode Notes: Sidney Watson tweet about leaving You Are Here "I left the show. There were a multitude of reasons for doing so. Ultimately, the professional situation morphed into something untenable. Twoards the end, I was extremely unhappy. Like I mentioned before, I was pouring from an empty cup and while I tried to be professional and happy for you all on air, it wasn't sustainable." Elijah Schaffer tweet regarding being "professionally dumped." Elijah Schaffer tweet re: Mormons going to hell. Kino Casino with Jaden McNeil and Simon Dickerman on leaving America First Nick Martin thread on the collapse of America First. IREHR, 27FEB2020 "An Affinity for Bigotry: Jaden McNeil of America First Students" The Daily Beast, Supermarket Shooting Suspect Linked to Online Hatred Unicorn Riot article on suspect's online ties. Buffalo shooter targeted Black neighborhood, officials say Opening of the manifesto: What you need to know If there’s one thing I want you to get from these writings, it’s that White birth rates mustchange. Everyday the White population becomes fewer in number. To maintain a population thepeople must achieve a birth rate that reaches replacement fertility levels, in the western worldthat is about 2.06 births per woman." Closing of the manifesto: As for me, my time has come. I cannot guarantee my success. All I know is the certaintyof my will and the necessity of my cause. Live or die, know I did it all for you; my friends, myfamily, my people, my culture, my race. Goodbye, God bless you all and I hope to see you in Valhalla. From us to the shooter: Fuck you. There is no place in Valhalla for you.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, who they think they still have an in with because Milo is like working with her, working for her, when she said everywhere publicly, I don't like this guy.
I don't want to support this guy.
This is weird.
This is a turnoff to my voter base.
And if you have like the exact number or excuse me, the exactly the most right wing candidates in America, you know, from Joe Kent to JD Vance to Paul Gosar to NTG, I think Lauren Bovart or whatever is also attacking them.
Like all you've pissed all these people off.
There is literally no political future for you.
I was thinking about it when you brought up Milo.
I don't think I made it clear enough earlier and I think this is something that needs to be repeated.
There is no political future when you have no candidates.
You appeal to an extremely small number of people to the point where you have to lie about the number of people who are actually watching your show to not demoralize the people who are in your cult or whatever.
Like, this is a political movement that's imploding, you know?
Sorry, go ahead.
I don't know why he can't- I mean, I guess I do know, because then the donors dry up from the backroads if they don't believe that it's not a serious thing.
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Hello, it's I Don't Speak German again, it's I Don't Speak German again, just in case you were getting too happy.
I may have to shine a black light around just to check that you're not getting too happy.
And normal service has been restored, which means that A, this episode is in contradiction of recent tradition, not about Jimmy Dore, which is going to be nice.
And B, we're back to the old format where I'm the one who interrupts occasionally with stupid jokes and the same three political observations in slightly different words.
And Daniel goes back to being the one who explains stuff.
So Daniel, explain stuff.
Yeah, well, I had planned to do something else for this episode 109, which is a meme number.
It is the number of countries the Jews have supposedly been kicked out of.
And so I did have a very special plan to start with 109, someone who would actually really appreciate being episode 109.
And then we had a mass shooting, and it's kind of all over Twitter, and I felt like we should just go ahead and talk about that.
Before we do that, I am going to do a little bit of a news roundup episode here.
We're not going to play any audio or discuss the crime in any kind of detail, but we will let you know before we get into that if you do want to kind of shut the episode off.
But we're going to be talking about some old subjects that have kind of come up from time to time, and they are increasing woes.
So yeah, this will be a little bit of schadenfreude, and then we'll talk about a mass murder.
So back to standard IDSG territory, as you say.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of another episode in the occasional sub-genre that we have, which you could call episodes recorded immediately after a mass murder, which is a depressing reality of the world we live in.
But then that's why this show exists.
The whole thing is just very upsetting.
Yeah, very much.
And before we get there, before we start, you know, joking around and start talking about stuff, you know, obviously our hearts go out to the victims and the victims' families and all that sort of thing.
And nothing that we do here should at all, you know, say anything otherwise.
You know, our job is to sort of like explain this stuff and to try to, you know, keep it on to a way that people actually want to listen to it.
Um, but, um, yeah, obviously, obviously this is very, very fresh in everybody's mind right now.
And so, um, we just want to make it clear before we get started, um, that that's how we feel about it.
Yes, indeed.
Seconded.
Uh, if I, if I sound in any way humorous or happy, that's because I'm making an effort to believe me.
I should also say, by the way, that you probably won't hear it because the Zoom noise gate is pretty good, but you might hear some noise on my end because I'm actually in the middle of a gigantic thunderstorm, which isn't at all symbolic or anything.
No.
Well, I can't hear anything, so hypothetically the audience won't either because I think my headphones are probably better than theirs, but I guess we'll just find out.
Okay.
I guess we will.
Good.
Okay, so onto the news roundup.
I assume we're doing the Depp Heard trial, is that right?
You could not pay me enough, believe me.
Yeah, no, I am not.
I am not getting mired in that bullshit.
You could pay me enough, but it would be a substantial sum.
It would be a very large sum of money to pay more than 10 seconds of attention to that fucking trial.
No, not today.
Instead, we're going to start off and talk about Elijah Schaefer.
Jack, just get the people caught up on who Elijah Schaefer is.
Okay, well, Elijah Schaefer was, I think we first encountered him on this show when we did the Rittenhouse episode, didn't we?
Because Rittenhouse wasn't a guest on Elijah Schaefer's show, You Are Here, I think I'm right in saying?
That is correct.
Yeah, and he has another show called Slightly Offensive, which is part of the Blaze Network, or used to anyway, is that right?
Yeah, both shows are part of the Blaze Network.
Slightly Offensive is actually owned by Elijah Schafer, whereas you are here is a Blaze TV property.
So this might become relevant down the line.
I think since I first heard about him via you, he's kind of become everywhere, at least in the sphere of those of us who pay attention to these people.
Yeah, he made an appearance in at least one of the Tucker Carlson documentaries, the one about Kyle Rittenhouse, actually in two of them because he appeared in the Patriot Purge documentary as well.
I have not watched the End of Men one, but it wouldn't surprise me if he showed up there as well.
And he's done a ton of... Is that the one where Tucker approvingly shows a man lasering his own balls?
That is the one.
That is the one.
I have not taken the time to go view that one yet.
Yeah, I don't know.
There might be an episode of that down the line, or at least some of the tropes there.
I didn't watch that one yet, so I don't know if he appeared in that, but his star is on the rise.
He's definitely made a lot of guest appearances, and I think it's one of those things where once you see him, you can't unsee him.
He's fairly nondescript until you know who he is, and then suddenly you notice that he's just kind of always been everywhere, interestingly.
Yeah, I just recently became aware that he'd had a guest appearance with Tim Pool, which was fun watching.
Yeah, he has done that a few times and he had a fairly recent appearance as well.
So he is very much part of that larger kind of You know, alt-right funded, you know, Blaze TV, you know, the people who maintain money and yet it spells, you know, proto-fascist opinions and get very close to the edge of anything so long as they don't start whispering about Jews too loudly.
That seems to be the boundary.
Yeah, yeah.
And there was something else, I think.
Oh yeah, he had a very awkward guest appearance on Slightly Offensive by Dave Rubin recently, which was quite funny.
And yeah, he's fucking awful.
He's been talking about how Native Americans should leave America because it's their own fault they were genocided, except that they weren't, and so on and so forth.
Right.
Yeah, no, I follow him on Twitter and I'm just constantly, like, screenshotting, you know, the most awful things.
Yeah, he's very Christian on Twitter, isn't he?
I had a look at his Twitter the other day and it's very, very Christian.
Yeah, no, and increasingly so.
And in fact, I think this is kind of like segueing into kind of the larger, like the more immediate story is that last night, as we're recording this on Sunday, the 15th of May, 2022, and late last night, or, you know, like sometime yesterday evening, Eastern Time, Sidney Watson, his You Are Here co-host, tweeted out a statement.
It reads in part, I left the show.
There were a multitude of reasons for doing so.
Ultimately, the professional situation morphed into something untenable.
Towards the end, I was extremely unhappy.
Like I mentioned before, I was pouring from an empty cup, and while I tried to be professional and happy for you all on air, it wasn't sustainable.
Easy to read things into, particularly if you've kind of watched their dynamic.
You know, Sidney Watson's kind of role on the show was often to sort of take the brunt of abuse from the listeners or from the viewers, and that they would make her read like kind of horrifying things like Holocaust denial jokes and that sort of thing.
And there's always, you know, kind of making fun of her being a woman.
She's also an atheist and an outspoken atheist.
And I think that As I've followed Elijah Schaeffer's trajectory, particularly in the last couple of months since we've been talking about him, he has gone way stronger into really overt Christian dominionism and a political Christianity that, I'm not saying it wasn't there before, but it became much more hardcore and a lot more outspoken.
His mask definitely came off in certain places.
What's unclear at this point, because I believe he removed the Blaze TV from his Twitter profile and then re-added it.
At least I saw people talking about how he had taken it off, but then when I went and looked, he had it back on there again.
So, I'm not sure exactly what the status of that is.
There's speculation that UR Here has just been cancelled.
And there's speculation that maybe it will continue with Elijah Schafer and another host, but Sidney Watson is remaining with the Blaze TV network.
So it does appear that whatever kind of conflict there was, it was particularly, it was specifically between Schafer and Watson, right?
She doesn't, it's not that she doesn't want to work for Blaze TV.
It's not that she disavows any of her former opinions or anything like that.
It's I can't work with this fucking monster anymore.
That seems to be the trajectory.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, I mean, far from far be it for me to have any sympathy at all with Sidney Watson, who is a horror show in her own right.
But yeah, from what I've seen of Elijah Schaefer, which is as little as possible, he is an insufferable fucking dickbag.
He really is.
Oh, yes.
His tweet immediately thereafter was just, I just got professionally dumped by text, LOL.
And then, you know, minutes later, it's not you, it's me.
So he found out.
So either Sidney Watson professionally dumped him or The Blaze professionally dumped him.
And I am really curious to know what it actually is as to, you know, what this looks like moving forward.
Again, there's a lot of speculation going on right now about what's actually happening behind the scenes.
Fascinatingly, just a few hours ago, so kind of immediately before this happened, Elijah tweets, Mormons are not Christians.
Very nice people.
Love them.
Much of my family are LDS, but they are going to hell.
Not followers of truth.
Makes me sad, but can't deny the gospel.
I struggle in many ways, too, so can't condemn, but can't pretend their faith isn't already condemned.
Do you know of a prominent Mormon who might work for Blaze TV, Jack?
Yeah, yeah.
I believe Mr. Glenn Beck himself is in fact a gentleman of the Mormon persuasion, yes.
Yes, yes, very much so.
And has been since the late 90s.
He was an adult convert at that.
So, you know, Glenn Beck responded, you know, the next day, earlier today.
Elijah, thank goodness you know THE TRUTH, all caps.
Assuming I'm one of the many nice people who the Lord has made clear to you is condemned, I just need to know if you still want a guy who is going to hell as a mentor?
Analyze responds.
Appreciate you deeply as a mentor and example.
I know this specific comment on Christian doctrine is one of the few we disagree on.
Nothing but respect for you and the political sphere in your heart for this country regardless.
My views on the LDS Church don't change that." So, he's doubling down.
He's completely doubling down on this.
He is not, there's no apology, there's no nothing, and like, Who knows what this is going to end up being, whether this is going to be just the dive bomb of his career or what's happening.
It would be amazing to see him just completely collapse, like a paper cup on a depth charge over trying to make this bold moral stand.
It's remarkable.
It's remarkable.
Yeah, it's quite something, isn't it?
I mean, firstly, imagine your one problem with Glenn Beck being his Mormon religion, and B, poor Glenn, honestly, what it must be like to be the subject of bigoted public comments about a group that you happen to be a member of.
I mean, that must be terrible.
I'm not even joking.
One day we're going to do a bonus episode about Glenn Beck's techno-thriller novel that he wrote back when he was a big name called The Overton Window.
Yes, yes.
It's lovely.
It's lovely stuff.
Anyway, that's kind of the end of that segment, just because that's where we are right now.
And I don't want to kind of get into speculation.
There's a lot of speculation going on among, you know, like kind of mutual fans of, you know, like Sidney Watson and Elijah Schafer.
And, you know, once that starts to happen, You start to like see people like, oh, there was this clip from three weeks ago where he started like saying these things.
And then it's really nice for me as a researcher, when they start arguing with each other, because they just show you all their worst elements.
And it's just, it's nice.
It's a nice thing for them to do it for me, for me, it makes my job easier, really.
So, we're going to keep tracking that, if that turns into anything.
I mean, I am working on kind of a larger project with Elijah Schaefer, and this looks to be like just the, you know, just the cherry on top that's really going to make that move forward much more easily, ultimately, because I have learned a lot about Elijah Schaefer's history in the last, like literally in the last 12 hours.
So, yeah, we're going to...
There's something bubbling in the background, which hopefully you will get to see and hear in the not-too-distant future, but it does involve Elijah.
Lovely.
All right, moving on.
More, you know, far-right infighting, this time of an even more vicious nature.
And we're going to be talking about Nicky Boy, Nick Fuentes, and his pals.
So, in here, a friend of the pod, Nick Martin, and a real friend of the pod, not the normal ironic version of that that I do, wrote a thread a few days ago on this topic, and links to A live streaming show, Kino Casino, and this is Andy Warski's kind of latest project, which I am only now just discovering.
It's been around for a few months, but Warski, if you remember, I mean, and this was during the 2018, 2019 Bloodsports days, was one of the, he co-hosted a show with Warski Live with JF Garriott, And kind of the beginning of the online debate culture in which far-right people debated not-so-far-right people, you know?
Or extreme far-right people would debate ordinary right-wing people, and occasionally a lefty shows up.
Yeah.
And, you know, Mike Enock appeared on these.
I mean, Nick Fuentes has appeared on these.
I mean, it's just like, Very, very lucrative bit of YouTube infrastructure at this point.
I mean, it just is.
And Kino Casino, from what I have gathered from watching the five and a half hour episode that we're going to be discussing, It's really just spilling all the tea.
It's really just internal movement gossip among racists.
That's all these shows are.
If you're willing to sit down and watch it, you can learn a lot about what these people really feel about each other.
The cold open was from this.
Yes.
Yes.
The cold open is from this.
So all the clips that we have to play today are from this segment.
And believe me, we could, you and I could sit down and just play this, you know, just skip around in it.
I could find 50 clips that are just amazing.
You know?
The voice that you heard in that cold open was someone named Jaden McNeil.
Now, Jaden McNeil is, I believe, currently 20 years old.
He's one of the high up people in America First, or has been for the last couple of years.
He's listed on some official paperwork from the America First Incorporation.
So many of the Grapers are just anonymous trolls.
are just anonymous people on the internet and even people who are within the organization are not like named people on any kind like jaden mcneil is one of the few who's actually like listed on paperwork for america first like that's how high up he was in the organization and um the version that nick fuentes is telling is that uh jaden mcneil kissed a girl or maybe got laid
and that was in violation of the like the spirit of america first like because he's no longer celibate he's no longer godly or just he's interested in women which you know um the you the One of our clips is going to demonstrate some of the depths of the misogyny that just runs through this entire movement.
We could go into deep psychological details here, and maybe we'll discuss that briefly here in a minute.
Dick Fuentes' version is, I kicked Jaden out because he chose a girl over me and he chose to do this instead of being devoted to the cause, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And then there's this implication that, oh, he brought a girl over and made a mess on my couch, presumably some kind of sexy mess or something.
It's just one of these, oh my God.
And look, let's not... Yeah, there's hope for you, Jason.
There's hope for you.
I mean, he's literally like, you know, talking like, I kissed a girl.
I kissed a girl like 10 months ago.
And now... Yeah, I kissed a girl and I liked it.
And, you know, Nick Fuentes is like kicking me out of the movement now for it.
It seems to be sort of Jaden McNeil's thing.
But Jaden is also like, no, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes.
And the things behind the scenes are like, look, I was listed as the treasurer of this, of the America First thing.
And Michelle Malkin was listed as like a big, important person on this paperwork.
And Nick Fuentes did not share any of that data with us.
We were, it was like in name only.
He kept everything super close to the chest.
All the information about the private donors, all the information about everything was in Nick Fuentes' possession.
We never had any kind of access to that.
And he used that to control the organization with an iron fist.
Yeah.
And to be clear, you're not allowed to do that because America First, it's a nonprofit foundation.
As Nick Martin himself points out in the thread you're talking about, the board members, they have to be there.
In order to provide accountability.
Right.
I get the sense that there is, you know, pending legal matters kind of happening behind the scenes on this as well.
It would not surprise me at all to find out these people start suing each other back and forth.
And then it's all going to come out in public documents.
And how great is that going to be?
Actually, a civil lawsuit may not come out.
They may just, you know, like, you know, they may just seal that off and we'll never get to see it.
You know they're going to bitch about each other through the entire process, whether that helps their case or not.
And so we're just going to have many, many more hours of this kind of lovely, lovely movement and fighting to entertain us.
I mean, that's not even like That just scratches the surface of what goes on in this five hour, you know, live stream because there are all kinds of allegations of like, you know, Nick Fuentes was, you know, was like helping the feds, was like feeding people that he didn't like to the feds over the January 6th stuff that he was involved in.
And the reason that he never really got prosecuted for it is because he was turning people over.
I mean, there's just all kinds of, you know.
All kinds of stuff happening in this conversation about the donors and protection of donors and a lot of nitty gritty movement insider stuff.
I'm putting a link to this in the show notes, not because I think people should watch it, But because I think people should at least watch 10 seconds of it and get a sense of just how in the style this is.
Like, there's a lot of like, you have to know who various people are and who they meant to each other within the movement, going back like two years in order to really make any kind of sense out of this.
And I think that that's part of the reason that it's so difficult to cover this kind of material, because none of this matters, right?
None of this matters.
One of the things that I picked these clips for is all of the people on this call are absolutely Nazis.
Almost the most hardcore definition of the term.
These people, they do not disagree on ideology.
They do not disagree on where the world should be.
They do not disagree on...
Any issues of substance.
It is completely personality driven and completely, you know, odd driven or whatever.
Like, there's no sense of which, like, Jaden McNeil is coming forward and talking to Andy Warski because he's left the movement and, like, the scales have fallen from his eyes and he knows how toxic this thing is.
No, no, no.
These are not good people.
None of these are good people.
These are completely disgusting fuckheads.
And there's no reason that we should take that as anything else.
This is the fundamental difference between the far right and the far left.
People on the far left who agree about 99% of everything will split over the details about what exactly Kautsky meant in the fourth paragraph of a paper that he wrote to be delivered to the Second International in 1922.
People on the far right will split over, dude, you came on my couch!
I mean, I'm not saying that that never happens among, you know, I'm sure there are some anarcho-communists who have similar levels of disagreement about who Seaman went where.
But they tend not to be, you know, like major movement figures.
Anyway, let's play this first clip here and just give you a sense of some of this stuff.
This is a little bit long, but I think it gets somewhere interesting.
Gosar will be re-elected despite Nick's best attempts to slander him.
So this is talking about Paul Gosar, who was kind of a major figure in AFTAC 2, but declined to be a part of AFTAC 3.
And this is Jaden McNeil sort of talking through some of the logic behind why he thinks Gosar declined to be involved in FHAC 3.
Gosar's saying the same thing we are, you know.
He says Nick can't shut his fucking mouth, and it's killing him politically, and it's true.
It's true.
Do you guys know if it's true that Beardson was the one that fucked up the Gosar thing?
Is that actually true?
I don't know.
I think it was just Nick.
I mean, you look at this guy, and Paul Gosar, God bless him, went out on a limb for him last year, and last year there was something that looked serious.
You know, there are parts of it you could poke fun of with that too.
But it was visually, you know, coherent.
You had, like, a beautiful stage.
You had all these different moving pieces.
You had speakers where the speeches led into each other, and they made sense.
You know, you had Steve King, who was a legitimate person, you know, who had done real things for, you know, our interests.
And you had Paul Gosar, and people loved him.
They treated him with respect.
You know, there was, like, an air of, like, you know, after he got off stage, like, hey, don't say anything stupid to Paul Gosar.
This guy is doing us a huge favor.
This guy is risking his political career to help people like us.
And how does Nick repay that sort of thing?
How does Nick Ripay, one of the most right-wing congressmen in America, going out on a limb?
Instead of, like, you know, trying to make sure that his message is, like, becoming more and more, like, in line with, like, what conservatives as a base would find appealing, you know, trying to make sure that, like, what Paul Kosar just associated with isn't, like, fucking repulsive to most, like, boomer conservatives, instead he starts, like, oh, you know what?
I feel like I'm going to start saying the N-word every night now.
I'm just going to start saying the N-word every night.
I'm gonna, you know, start counter, you know, counter signaling every, like, major, uh, mainstream conservative talking point.
Um, uh, you know, like if you look at, again, Marjorie Taylor Greene, they're, they're touting this as like this huge win for the Groypers.
Oh, she showed up on stage.
She didn't know where the hell she was.
You know what I mean?
And after the, after the Marjorie Taylor Greene appearance the very next day, oh, I don't know who Nick Fuentes is.
That's his views.
Oh, I hate that.
I don't want anything to do with that.
And then to bring it back to Paul Gosar, at Half-Pack 3, he wouldn't go there because he knew that Nick was a fuck-up.
That Nick couldn't keep his mouth shut, he couldn't stop himself from saying the N-word and comparing himself to Hitler.
Things that a serious political person would not associate with, right?
You know what I mean?
Imagine being at a dinner party with this guy, you know what I mean?
I just want to shut the fuck up.
I'm Adolf Hitler and I'm going to rule the world.
It's actually just Stalin.
He doesn't even idolize Hitler.
It's fucking Stalin.
He doesn't even idolize Hitler.
It's fucking Stalin.
He's in the gulags.
I got asked.
We're talking about optics and all this shit.
We're all going to the gulags.
So a little bit of background knowledge there.
Apparently, privately, Nick Fuentes would constantly compare himself with Stalin.
He saw himself the appropriate historical analog to Nick Fuentes, and Nick Fuentes' mind is Joseph Stalin.
Also, these guys, if we're going to demonstrate that they are actually Nazis, you know, the whole thing is when you don't go around calling yourself Stalin, like Hitler, call yourself Hitler.
Right?
There is no counter-settling of the most noxious ideologies in human history in this group, in this chat.
At no point is there ever anything like that.
Did you just want to include that bit?
No.
But also, What's the essential thing here for these guys?
What's the America First plan?
What's Jade McNeil thinking you should be doing?
You get a big, powerful congressperson on your side, the most right-wing, the most correct of the cucked party, and then you just suck up to them, and you get within their orbit And that's how you kind of gain access to the levers of political power.
And the criticism of McIntyre is he says he's doing that, but then he can't shut up about Hitler.
He can't shut up.
He can't just keep saying the N-word.
The implication there is that Paul Gosar wouldn't disagree with Nick Fuentes because Nick Fuentes is praising Hitler, but because Paul Gosar has to maintain an air of respectability, right?
This is fascinating.
This is fascinating.
Now, whether this is true of Gosar or not, Gosar got on the America First thing pretty early.
I'm pretty sure he's down with a whole lot of this shit.
I don't think that he's I don't think that it's possible for him to be dumb enough to not realize who he's playing footsie with at this point.
But the fact that Jaden McNeil sees it this way, and the fact that this is just kind of common conversational problems, this is the frame with which this conversation is being held, really does speak volumes to me.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah, like the Marjorie Taylor Greene thing.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is capable of going to that conference and saying her Marjorie Taylor Greene things to that conference and getting the reception that she got.
Loads of points of contact, ideologically.
The only thing that makes her disavow the event is when somebody says, well, Nick Fuentes has said this, that, and the other embarrassing thing, whereupon even Marjorie Taylor fucking Green thinks, well, I don't want to be associated with that.
Right.
Or, you know, suddenly they put the name white nationalist or white supremacist or, you know, that sort of thing on it.
And whether Marjorie Taylor Greene, like, it's like, no, I don't believe in white nationalism.
I just think that there's an anti white agenda that is coming after regular folks and that we should focus on the needs of those people instead of the, uh, the immigrants and the groomers, you know, like.
Not, you know, words in like Marjorie Taylor Greene's specific voice, but Marjorie Taylor Greene agrees, you know, with 90% of, you know, a white nationalist agenda, even if she's not calling it that, you know.
And I think that's the, that's the thing there, you know.
And so, and these kinds of like, you know, right-wing Congress people, again, playing footsie with in stream groups like this goes back decades in American politics.
This is only the latest version of that.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Let's just move on into the next clip, just to, just again, wet our whistle with just a little bit more of Kino Casino.
But Jaden, it's just so funny to me, because last night you were like, all right, guys, I'll admit it.
I kissed a girl and I'm like, sick.
Like, it's awesome.
What the fuck?
Like, like you were telling us, like, we're going to be like, what?
Like, I like that I'm happy for you.
Congrats.
Well, I was being a hypocrite, and I disavow, and I've, like, realized.
But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's, like, not the end of the world, if we're being honest.
Like, if that's what Nixon's heard out for seven days.
Yeah, I agree.
If anything, it should be considered a good thing, you know what I mean?
Like, again, if we're talking about a political, religious movement that says that white people aren't having enough children, wouldn't the obvious thing be to push people to meet women and marry them, have sex, and then have children, you know?
It's like, and I know exactly what Jane's talking about.
I would be embarrassed to, like, say positive things about my wife in the group back then because it was like, you know, Persona non grata to be, you know, involved with women anyway.
If you weren't saying, you know, oh women are disgusting whores or whatever.
It's like, you know, look at this simp over here.
Look at this.
Let's just take a moment.
The voice that you're hearing right now is a guy named Simon Dickerman, who is in his mid-20s, I believe.
I don't know exactly how old he is.
He was another high-up guy in America First who has recently disavowed.
Nick Fuentes was in Simon Dickerman's wedding.
He shows photos from his wedding with Nick Fuentes, proudly standing next to him.
On this live stream.
That's how close these two were.
And yet, you can be at my wedding, and yet if I talk positively about my wife, whom I love dearly, You're going to call me a soyboy, cuck, beta, simp or whatever because I'm in love with a woman and want to have children.
Is it the whole point of our movement to increase the number of white people in this world that should be wanting to breed more and do this?
Again, the fundamental logic is a white nationalist logic.
It is a white supremacist logic.
It is this Nazi rhetoric.
Everyone agrees with that.
Yeah, it does lay bare a central, weird incoherence of Nick Fuentes and his movement, doesn't it?
because he's countersignaling that.
And that, again, it just lays the whole thing bare to me.
Yeah, it does lay bare a central weird incoherence of Nick Fuentes and his movement, doesn't it?
Which is this weird sort of fusion of this kind of misogynistic, sojournistic online, almost men going their own way thing with a very strong strain of Tradkath in his conservatism.
Right.
And he has said before in various places that Nick Fontes has that I'm married to this movement.
I want to be in this movement.
And like, maybe if I had literally compared, um, you know, you remember at the beginning of downfall when like Hitler is there and he's like interviewing these secretaries, like if I could have a wife and I could just pick a wife that way, that would be like, grace, because that's what I want.
It's just someone to like cook and clean and do my laundry and, you know, like take care of me and just not talk too much.
Like that's, you know, that's literally wouldn't jump at that opportunity.
Right.
Who wouldn't want to be that little twerps, you know, personal slaves.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Piece of shit.
Oh, man, he's a fake cell.
And right.
It's you know, and I don't want to like pivot off of the the hilarious can move a big drop the kiss too much here.
You know, it's funny that that's their big drop when I think that what we're bringing on the show tonight is something of actual substance, you know what I mean?
Yeah, like reporting feds, doxing people, trying to ruin everyone's lives.
Well, let's just remember, we talked about this at the beginning of the show.
I don't think we went into it enough.
So again, not disavowing America First, the organization, or the movement.
It's just Nick Fuentes himself.
live.
I was not the main developer.
The main developer, again, is a good guy.
If there are any of these Kiwi Farms people listening, there are good people working there.
There are.
So again, not disavowing America First, the organization or the movement.
It's just Nick Fuentes himself.
The other thing that's interesting there is that one of the allegations is that when Fuentes was kicked off of YouTube and kicked off of DLive and had to move to his own platform, he was apparently getting about 8,000 live viewers on a given night.
And then when he finally got his own platform up, the numbers were smaller.
They were closer to like 5,000 instead of 8,000.
And so they would goose the numbers artificially.
They would just put a multiplier in for the number of viewers that were, you know, shown live.
And so instead of it being 5,000, it would be, you know, they just double that.
And so it would be 10,000 or 9,000 or something like that.
But then later the numbers started shrinking smaller and smaller, and so they just kept adding more multiplier, you know, to keep the view counts like high, the counts high, which is, you know, again, there's no way for me to know at this point whether that's true or not, but I think that's, like, that's the sort of thing.
It's definitely true.
I think that's true.
I think that's very, very true.
I believe that.
It's not that there's no reason to lie about that.
That's a pretty brazen lie.
That's a pretty obvious lie.
And based on everything we know about Fuentes and about his increasing relevance to the outside Nick Fuentes' cult crowd, he is not growing in influence in terms of gaining more young people to this cause.
They're moving on into other spaces.
Um, but he is gaining influence with, uh, various political actors.
And one of the things I could not find like a quick clip that would demonstrate this, apparently he met, he got MTG involved and he got Gosar involved in some of these other Congress critters involved through Milo Yiannopoulos.
And that's why Milo Yiannopoulos is a part of the America First Movement because he, of all fucking people, Has access to congressional phone numbers, like congresspeople will return Mayo Yiannopoulos calls, apparently.
That is wild.
That is fucking wild.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, Milo got banned from Twitter.
So, you know, deplatforming was the only thing that had to happen ultimately.
Nick strikes me as kind of like another one of these people that desperately wants to be a cult leader.
Like some of this is cult leader behavior.
Yeah, no, definitely.
I mean, there really is a strong hint of that.
Ultimately, this is kind of influencer culture in general, in terms of gaining this online fan base, gaining these people.
But in particular, I think live streamers suffer from this.
You're just there, you're just talking Hours every night, and you're just bringing people into your fold, and you're kind of becoming a part of their lives, and they're becoming part of yours.
I mean, this is something you see.
This is non-political, or apolitical, or non-partisan in any way.
It doesn't happen to a particular tendency, but particularly in these right-wing spaces, I think you find this kind of audience capture.
Very quickly, and I think that it attracts us to people who do like, I can't imagine like, I like doing this podcast.
I like sitting and talking to you.
I like doing research.
I like, I mean, I wouldn't keep doing this if I wasn't enjoying it.
The idea of sitting for like four hours a night, three nights a week, or seven nights a week for longer hours, the idea of like having to be on and be coherent that many hours a day.
It's terrifying.
It would be hell for me.
I could not do it.
I don't have the personality for it.
Nick Fuentes has been doing it for years at this point, for like four years, almost five days a week.
It's absurd.
I know what you mean.
Yeah, it is kind of head-fucking sometimes to think about just the amount, the sheer amount of time some of these people spend On the internet, live streaming, just off the top of their domes talking about shit, or having these endless conversations that go round and round.
Yeah.
And, and I mean, you know, Echino Casino is literally a show that's built on like taking clips from those other shows and then like responding to that.
And then there'll be clip channels of that.
And then people will respond to the, like, it's this whole like ecosystem.
And I think that's something that we've talked about in various times before.
I mean, even back in like 2019, we were kind of talking about how this, how this ecosystem works.
And I think that like kind of taking the worst of it and getting it off of YouTube.
It meant that they had to build these sort of alternative platforms.
And I think that's what we're seeing now is that they just have these, they know what they are and are not allowed to say.
And that goes even for the more well-funded people like Elisha Schaffer, who has an actual job.
He's not just kind of building something by himself.
He has real sponsors.
He has real donors.
He has, you know, the idea that, you know, they know exactly where the lines are.
They know what they can and can't say.
And then they take anything that's more extreme than that.
And they just take it to another platform.
Right.
Or they kind of disavow it, but like, you know, inquire about it or whatever.
They speak the same language.
They just don't, you know.
They don't put the mask off quite as regularly.
That's what this whole conversation is.
No one in this conversation is like, well, we're totally not a Nazi.
Again, I just want to keep hitting that.
There's no sense of that.
It's just, here's how we engage with this politically.
I get out of watching this material at this point.
is it's all part of the same, you know, culture, this toxic far-right culture that is going to end in genocide, ultimately.
Yeah, it is kind of terrifying to think that this sort of endless roundelay of insular gossip is essentially escalating towards that.
And I think that that's the, um, that's the place where.
If you just didn't want to listen to us talk a little bit about the, the shooter from last night, I think this is the time to turn the podcast off because yeah, that's where we are.
Um, I think we're there.
Yeah.
I did watch at least a version of the video, um, of the, the live stream.
I'm not going to be sharing that obviously.
Uh, and I did read, um, the manifesto.
I did not have time to read everything.
It is 180 pages of the most tedious prose you can imagine.
I know you kind of glanced at it as well, and I would like to talk at least vaguely about that.
I mean, sort of my immediate take on it is a, this is modeled almost to a parodic degree on the Christchurch Massacre, right?
Like, the first line, and again, this is all I'm going to quote for this, the first line of the manifesto is what you need to know.
If there's one thing I want you to get from these writings is that white birth rates must change.
Every day, the white population becomes fewer in number.
To maintain a population, the people da-da-da-da-da.
And then at the close, he says, As for me, my time has come.
I cannot guarantee my success.
All I know is the certainty of my will and the necessity of my cause.
Live or die, know I did it all for you, my friends, my family, my people, my culture, my race.
Goodbye, God bless you all, and I hope to see you in Valhalla.
If you recall, the original Tarrant Manifesto from 2019, the Christchurch Manifesto, begins with, it's the birthrights, it's the birthrights, it's the birthrights.
It ends with, I'll see you in Valhalla.
Yeah.
Many of the talking points are exactly the same through these things, and not even in the sense of they're following great replacement theory, but the structure of it is clearly built around the Tarrant Manifesto.
There is an extended note.
This is the reason, the real reason beyond just the obvious reasons you should not be sharing this, but the real, you could get in very serious legal trouble if you share this, is a huge chunk of this document, dozens of pages, involves actually planning for a mass shooting.
In the most literal nuts and bolts way you could possibly imagine it.
And I am not going to go in any more detail than that, but it tells you how to do that.
And by spreading this material, you are definitely lending yourself in some hot trouble if law enforcement finds out that you are distributing it.
So do not share this document.
If you run across it, really don't read it, just delete it.
You don't want it in your possession, you know, but definitely do not share it with anyone, anyone.
Yeah, agreed, agreed.
A very long section of it is him detailing in minute detail his plan for what he was actually going to do.
And there's also a substantial section where he makes Actual death threats against specific people as well, or says these specific people should be killed.
I'm not going to say which ones they are.
It's not to do with what we think of those people.
He's basically saying this person, this person, this person should be killed for this reason and that reason and the other reason.
So yeah, this is bad news.
This is dangerous stuff.
I shared a tweet and I got some criticism for not blurring out the text, but I shared there's a page in the manifesto that just is talking about black IQ, which is boilerplate stuff, but includes a very particular graphic, which I recognized because I've read the original New Republic article edited by Andrew Sullivan that introduced the world to the bell curve and Charles Murray in that real splash way in late 1994.
And the exact same graphic is shared in both places.
This graphic kind of makes the rounds.
I don't even know if this alleged shooter who wrote the manifesto is even aware of where that data comes from, but there's a long section of this kind of stuff where I could pull out particular places where I'm like, I know where you found that, I know where you found that, I know where you found that.
You are picking and choosing from This web of influences.
This guy's not an expert in biology.
He's just pulling from specific places.
And you can, again, read the text that this kid writes around this graphic and then read the Charles Murray edited by Andrew Sullivan back in 1994.
And it's the same talking points again.
It is the exact same thing.
Now, a great big chunk of it is biological determinism, genetic reductionism, IQ stuff, featuring names that you can guess.
And I dare say you are probably better placed to say exactly where the various bits of it come from than he is, because he is picking it out of endless shares and re-shares and reiterations of this stuff that has just been passed around.
I could probably pick the particular websites he got them from in some cases.
Not even from his citations.
I know where his citations got them from, let's put it that way.
That's what happens when you study the stuff for as long as I have.
Obviously, again, our heart goes out to the victims, and we're not trying to pretend that's not what's important here, but I think it's really instructive as well that This kind of mass shooter ended in 2019, and there was a thought that it was going to pick back up again in 2020.
Instead, what happened was a COVID hit, and suddenly people were not in places, in public, in mass numbers for a while.
Then the 2020 riots started, the mass protests started.
I think it means something that we're seeing it again just after sort of everyone has declared that COVID is over.
That suddenly we're all back in grocery stores again.
We're all back in various places.
We're all in public again.
And the nature of this kind of mass politicized violence by these supposed lone wolves who are integrated into this deep web of connections, obviously.
That this starts back up again the second that, you know, the COVID mask thing is no longer at the tip of everyone's tongue.
I think that's significant.
And I think that the manifesto is, as you say, The whole event, the whole act, is very directly modelled on Brenton Tarrant's massacre, Christchurch massacre, and the manifesto is very directly modelled on Brenton Tarrant's manifesto, to the point where huge chunks of it are just pretty much lifted verbatim from Brenton Tarrant's manifesto.
But I think the thing is that there are ways in which this one, I mean, not to in any way downplay the severity or egregiousness of what Tarrant did and was and said, but there are ways in which this one is even more extreme.
So there's an element of escalation here.
It is more explicit, for instance, in its anti-Semitism.
Oh yeah, much more so, definitely.
And it is more formulated in its elaboration of the white genocide theory.
And of course, it's got markers that make it very much of our moment and show that he's very much tied into the running obsessions and running talking points of the right.
You know, there is stuff about transgender people in there, there's stuff about critical race theory, supposedly endemic child abuse, etc., organized by the Jews and so on.
I mean, I think Terrence's manifesto was very much meant to be taken overly seriously by the media class.
He was trying to trick the media into reporting certain things, and they fell for it.
Candace Owens radicalized me.
Every liberal journalist who glanced at it was just like, well, of course she's awful.
That was a troll.
That was deliberate on their part.
There's a lot of that kind of stuff going on in this one as well, but I think what I get from reading it, and I'm happy to kind of listen to other people who have studied this stuff who might disagree because this is kind of my interpretation.
I see it as him communicating more to the people inside the movement.
It's more like a document meant for It's meant more for people who followed this stuff back in the day.
It's meant for young people to admire or to laugh at.
It's meant very explicitly in those terms, and I don't think that it has the same I don't think it has the same staying power.
I don't think it has the same accessibility to more normie journalists, in part because it's just so long.
It's ridiculously long and just filled with memes.
It's filled with old memes.
Some of the stuff is from 2014, 2015.
Some of the stuff is from like 2014, 2015.
I saw somebody talking about it.
They looked at it and it was just like, man, this just feels so quaint that he's talking about race and IQ.
Not that that isn't essential to the origins of the movement, to where we are, but who in 2022 is still using that as a primary talking point?
This whole culture decided that was all valid years ago, and here he is just bringing it up as if it's new.
There is something surprising in that.
There is something Yeah.
I mean, it's just, it's kind of hard to talk about.
The alleged shooter that wrote the manifesto is, he's very young, isn't he?
He's 18.
He's 18.
Yep.
And he said that he was radicalized in 2020 when he was home in lockdown.
Right.
So there is a sense, I feel, in which this is like a new recruit in the first flush of his conversion.
And he's basing, and in fact just ripping off, the texts that radicalized him in very much the same way, you know, that a young person who's trying to write fiction for the first time will produce clones of whichever their favorite writer is and so on and stuff like that.
That's how it reads to me.
I don't know.
I can see that for sure.
And I think that that may be a sign that he wasn't necessarily… I mean, there's all this, like, oh, Tucker Carlson uses the same language, so he must have been following Tucker Carlson.
An 18-year-old who's aware of Brenton Tarrant is not… he may be watching Tucker Carlson, but he's not getting it from Tucker Carlson.
That's coming from much more extreme places.
And in particular, when you look at, like, where these things are coming from, like, I don't get the sense that this guy was, like, super active on Telegram or something.
I mean, he probably was.
I mean, we know he had, like, a Discord server that, where he, you know, literally planned the attack, at least.
I mean, all of this is preliminary, so we're—don't—don't think this is— But there is reporting at the Daily Beast, Kelly Wheel, a friend of the pod, most recent episodes, co-authored a piece that kind of went through some of his social media history.
And I'm not seeing people talk about this kind of long extended telegram history that There are signs that he interacted with law enforcement, that he was looked into for some threats that he made against the school, and maybe people should have taken a more serious look at that.
But we're not seeing that, and I think that there is a sense that...
He did radicalize maybe on some of this older material without a lot of direct back and forth with the more extreme elements of it, that he was inspired directly by Breton Tarrant and then brought himself to this place using these older materials.
I think that's certainly a possibility.
And again, this is all very preliminary, so I'm not trying to speak out of turn on this, and I would be interested in learning how other people think about this.
But that's certainly a possibility just based on what I've seen so far.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think it's important to talk about the Tucker Carlson factor.
And the general mainstreaming of the white genocide or the Great Replacement, and as you've talked about on previous episodes, they're not quite the same thing, but they are definitely related to each other.
That factor whereby this is becoming Becoming mainstream, like, for instance, the recent poll that found that a third of American adults say that they believe something that is at least very obviously related to the Great Replacement Theory.
So it's important to talk about that fact.
But at the same time, I think there's an element in which, a bit like with the Candace Owens thing back with Brenton Tarrant, there's an extent to which some of the mainstream journalists talking about this are interested in what seems to them to be the shiny thing.
The sticky out bit, the big sticky out bit, which is kind of, oh, this is like what Tucker Carlson says.
And as I say, I don't want to, for one second, minimize the damage and the danger of Tucker Carlson, because he's horrifyingly dangerous.
And he is popularizing this and mainstreaming this.
But A, you know, it's not just him doing it.
And B, I think the point isn't so much... I mean, I think what some people have tried to do is kind of draw a direct line.
Um, which is a dangerous thing to do because it lays you open to people rightly pointing out, well, that there isn't actually a direct line.
And then that makes it look like you're, you're talking complete rubbish.
Um, and, uh, I think the important thing is to point out that, um, the Tucker Carlson factor and the general mainstreaming It is not so much causal to this particular incident.
The horrifying thing is that this incident is a sign of what's going on within this particular extreme pocket, and something very much related and very much similar is happening on a different register into the mainstream.
I think that's a better way of looking at it.
No, absolutely.
This is where we're speaking in the upcoming overturning of Roe v. Wade.
It's difficult to talk about those two things together, but there is a sense in which they both come from this kind of aggrieved This kind of white grievance politics, this kind of conservative greed and right-wing grievance politics in which what is the most important thing is the reproduction of white people and the subjugation of women.
All three of our topics kind of revolve around that same idea right now.
It's this sort of white Christian dominance of our culture and the way that they are rolling back huge parts of What have long been considered, you know, sacrosanct rights in this country.
And, you know, this young man, by all intents, is someone who agreed with Tarrant that, you know, there is no time for politics, that the conservative movement has failed utterly in actually achieving its aims.
And instead, we must, you know, Engage in mass violence and mass genocide, like personal genocide.
There's no question that this kid, this man, this terrible person, if the alleged shooter is the real shooter, which every parent seems to be so, that he targeted this particular supermarket in Buffalo.
He drove hours from his home Specifically because this is demographically the most African-American county and targeted this particular grocery store because it was targeted by poor African-American people and 11 of the 13 people he targeted were African-American.
And that's intentional, and we can't see this as just like a gun crime.
We can't see this as an act of terrorism, an act of racial terrorism, and it is intended to enforce politicized white supremacy and white nationalism in this country.
And that's the political moment we live in, aside from this.
And so I see this as not... I mean, it is a tragedy, and it is a terrible, terrible event, but he's acting because he doesn't see the state as acting fast enough for him.
But the state is very well on its way to just doing this more and more often.
And that's what we're here to fight.
That's what we talk about.
Absolutely.
We will, I'm sure, cover this in more detail in future episodes.
And all three of these are kind of, again, this is not what I wanted to do.
This is like immediate topic.
Once I kind of saw this event and saw the manifesto, I'm like, okay, we're going to have to talk about this.
And we threw the others in.
That's a news roundup, but we will move on to other topics, I think, in the next episode.
I think we've got to get back to Nazis.
It's been fun being in the IDW space, but we've got to get back to our bed and butter, I think.
That's my goal for the rest of this year of the podcast, just to focus a lot more on that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, agreed.
With reference to this particular thing, it seems, to be honest, it seems a little trivial now to bring this up in the wake of that.
But the reason I went and read the manifesto was specifically in response to people saying, I mean, very predictably, but saying certain people starting to say, Well, this guy's actually a left winger and sharing quotes from the manifesto saying, you know, he's supposedly proving that he's on the left.
So I got hold of a copy of the manifesto to see what this was actually about.
And there are bits in the manifesto where he talks about having been a a communist when he was a kid.
I mean, what he means by that is up for debate.
They all say that.
Yeah, I know.
I mean, whether that's true and what he means by communist, you know.
And then he does like a question and answer bit where he says, are you right wing?
Well, yes, within certain definitions.
Are you left wing?
Yes, within certain definitions.
Are you a socialist?
And he says, well, workers' control of the means of production depends on who the workers are and what they're going to do with it and why.
I said, well, it's obvious what that means.
I'm a Nazi.
I'm a Nazi.
He says that.
He says that.
This is ultimately the problem with any attempt to claim that he's... because he says at one point that, you know, I'm best defined as a populist, but I fall on the authoritarian, the moderate authoritarian left on the political spectrum.
He's obviously talking about that stupid fucking internet meme, you know, with the plot on the chart, you know.
You mean the chart that is designed to make everyone look like a libertarian, like you're supposed to be the right libertarian?
because you're supposed to answer that when if you answer any other way then you come across as like authoritarian left like you mean that quiz yeah that's the one yeah that's the one so but the biggest i mean all that sort of nitpicking over semantics is one thing um but the biggest problem with trying to claim that this guy is on on the left in any sense is that every every other word in the fucking man apart from like the technical stuff about exactly how he's going to do it where he's going to park
and so on every other word in the manifesto is open anti-semitism open white supremacism open hatred bigotry uh etc etc and And he says, I'm a neo-Nazi.
He just says that.
He said, I'm not a member of any neo-Nazi groups, but I subscribe to neo-Nazi ideology.
I don't know, maybe I'm just being simplistic, but that to me puts the kibosh on an attempt to claim that he's on the left.
I mean, I would suggest even more on a more basic level here, and forgive me for taking the complete dumb take here.
Anyone who drives to a supermarket, you know, patroned by members of the working class, who then decides to kill members of the working class, probably not a leftist.
You see, what you're doing there is, that's the no true Scotsman fallacy, you see.
Right, exactly, exactly.
See, when I say this...
Yeah.
I hate that I'm laughing.
I hate that we're even having this conversation.
But yeah, I've seen so much idiotic, confused bullshit about this, and I can't help being infuriated by it.
People see the Sonnenrad, the start of his manifesto, and they say, well, that proves that he's a supporter of the Azov battalion in Ukraine.
That is a very old fascist symbol.
Yes, it is.
It's a sodden rad.
Yes, Azov uses the sodden rad.
That doesn't mean he supported Ukraine.
I mean, it's just such low-hanging fruit, and people just keep falling for it over and over again.
And in fact, in one part of the manifesto, in one of the bits I believe that is lifted from Brenton Tarrant's manifesto, he talks about how it would, well again, we talked slightly about there being overt death threats in it.
talks about Erdogan in Turkey being not there anymore would be essentially it boils down to it would be good because it would destabilize and fracture NATO by empowering Russia Russia's hegemony in that region so fuck off Right.
And shades of, you know, like, kind of the retaking of Istanbul, retaking of Constantinople.
That's a very old, like, far-right trope as well.
Yeah, because, you know, he says the Turks are one of the oldest enemies of our people and all this sort of stuff.
No, it's got a lot of, like, that kind of stuff kind of buried within it, even though it's not, I don't believe it's very explicit.
I'd have to go back and reread that section to see.
I was definitely in skim mode by that point.
I apologize.
But yeah, I think we should wrap up.
I think we've given this kid, this asshole, too much of our time at this point.
Too much time already, yeah.
But it was important to talk about it, I think it's important to cover it, and hopefully we will What I'm really worried about at this point is that one of the reasons that Tarrant disappeared into the ether to a certain degree is because New Zealand has very strict laws about the publicizing of these kinds of crimes and how it can be reported before he was convicted.
The United States has no such thing, and I don't think this kid is going to become a, you know, a Rittenhouse, but I think if this trial is highly publicized, it will be a complete shitshow, and the far right will absolutely use it for their greatest advantage.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah.
Well, we've talked a bit about Nick Fuentes.
In this episode, Nick Fuentes has already started pushing the idea that it's a false flag.
Right.
Yeah.
No, that's going to happen here.
You're going to see the word glow-in-the-dark, or glowy, or those sorts of terms, and that's a sign that, like, oh no, this is a federal op.
Yeah, I was looking at Telegram last night, and it just fell over the place.
Yep.
Yeah, here we are again.
Great.
Okay, well, that was episode 109.
A very depressing episode 109 of I Don't Speak German.
Okay, so we'll be back.
We'll be back to cover more lovely topics in the future, which I'm sure will be great.
The one I'm prepping for next time is Emily Ucas, by the way, who is one of the most disgusting people that we've covered on this podcast.
So just look forward to that.
Look forward to that.
That's what's in prep.
So.
Hooray!
One of the most disgusting people covered on I Don't Speak German, which, yeah.
Which is not an overstatement, is not an overstatement, I assure you.
That's quite a high bar to clear.
But yeah, tune in to see if she clears it.
I'm sure she will.
Okay.
Bye everybody.
Bye.
Take care.
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