This week, we look at a bit more Nazi infighting, and talk a little bit about some reactions we've had... Content Warning. TRANSCRIPT: https://idtg.net/34 FULL TRANSCRIPT LIST: https://idtg.net/ * Show Notes: "This Podcaster Dug Into the World of Neo-Nazis. Now They've Put a Target on His Back." https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-dont-speak-german-podcaster-daniel-herman-exposed-neo-nazis-now-he-has-a-target-on-his-back "In early September, Harper and his co-host released a pair of episodes that focused on the adherents of an obscure neo-Nazi author named James Mason. A book Mason wrote has become a bible of sorts for terroristic neo-Nazi groups like Atomwaffen Division, and it has helped spawn a new wave of so-called accelerationists—people who believe societal collapse is the quickest way to create an all-white ethnostate. Many of those adherents flocked to Telegram, the encrypted messaging app, in recent months after getting booted from other social media platforms. And they’ve created their own enclave there, which they refer to as “Terrorgram.” It was there, in the Terrorgram community, that the threats against Harper took shape. On Sept. 11, an anonymous post appeared on one of the Terrorgram channels, telling people to send Harper “fan mail” at his address in Michigan. The following day, the same channel published a video from someone who drove by the address and filmed the house. “Howdy, antifascist activist Daniel Harper,” the text of the post read. “Nice place you've got there.” The posts set off a wave of chatter on Telegram. In the midst of it was a user who went by the handle “Anti-Kosmik 2182,” who chimed in with his thoughts about what to do about Harper. “Ditch the car somewhere a few blocks away, take back alleys, trails in the woods, etc., and then come up on the house wearing a mask,” he wrote. “I’m not saying do anything illegal, but I am saying it would be a real shame if all he has went up in literal flames.” In court records, the FBI later said that “Anti-Kosmik 2182” was Smith, an infantry soldier stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas. The bureau also revealed that it had an undercover agent on Telegram who was interacting with Smith around the same time." Nick Martin Twitter: https://twitter.com/nickmartin Spike Williams Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpikeWilliams The McSpencer Group: "The Grift Question, LeBron and China, Democratic Debate and 'Centrism'". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu0dS15N6tg
Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, the anti-fascist podcast in which I, Jack Graham, and my friend Daniel Harper have conversations about the far-right's conversations.
Daniel tells me what he learned from years of going where few of us can bear to go and listening to what today's far-right, the alt-right, white nationalists, white supremacists, Nazis, etc.
Talk about and say to each other, in their safe spaces, their podcasts, their YouTube videos, their live streams, etc.
The Waffle SS, I call them, and do they waffle.
Daniel listened, so we don't have to.
Needless to say, these are terrible people, and they say terrible things, so every episode comes with a big content warning.
Daniel and I talk freely about despicable opinions and acts, and sometimes we have to repeat the despicable things that are said, including bigoted slurs.
So be warned.
And this is episode 34 of I Don't Speak German, coming to you live from Antifa Central Control in our evil undersea base.
And yeah, it's I Don't Speak German, and we've had a bit of a big day today, haven't we Daniel?
I don't know what you're talking about.
No?
I just had a really boring day, certainly on Twitter.
Yeah, nothing much happening.
Nothing much happening, no.
No, we've been written about in the Daily Beast.
We have.
We'll get there shortly, I think.
Yeah, we're going to be, our episode today is called The Grift Question, which is, we're just going to tease you with that before we get into the, before we get into the actual subject of the episode, The Grift Question.
But yeah, do you want to actually talk about our Daily Beast article first, before we get into it?
Yeah, I thought we'd start there, I feel like.
So this one is a little bit of an extension of last week's, of the Nazi infighting stuff.
There's just kind of more stuff going on.
Also, Jack, I don't know, are you a fan of Parks and Recreation at all?
I've never seen a single minute of it.
Okay.
Well, there's a character who is kind of like a... He's one of the charming male leads.
He shows up around Season 3.
Well, halfway through Season 2.
But he's sort of this super-accountant, boyish genius kind of character.
And he continually goes to almost work for one of the accounting firms in the fictional town.
And then every time he goes to work for that town, or every time he goes to work for that firm, they're so excited to get him because they're all, like, really stuffy people who just love Super Accounting Nerd.
And then every time, he ends up failing to actually stick around.
He leaves after a day.
And this happens six or seven times throughout the course of the series, and it's just kind of a recurring joke.
And that's how I kind of feel about our ever-promised-and-never-appearing Kevin MacDonald episode, because I know people really want to listen to that one.
Oh, I see.
And yet every time we start to do it, literally as of, like, yesterday, I was like, no, we'll do the Kevin MacDonald episode.
And then we just yank it from our audience as if, like a bone from a dog, like a toy from a small child.
I'm Montgomery Burns in this metaphor.
Yeah, I wondered where you were going with that.
Yeah, that's right.
We dangle it before you and then just refuse to actually deliver it, like a particularly sophisticated dominatrix dangling the whip in front of her chained pig slave, but refusing to ever actually hit him with it.
You sound... We'll just let that one go.
We'll just let that one go for now.
That's probably the best for this context.
Anyway, so I promise we will do Kevin MacDonald one of these days.
I literally have so many... I have pages of notes for it and then we just sort of never manage to get it done.
But it will happen.
I keep hoping somebody else will just do it for me.
So I don't have to deal with it But yeah, so so today we're gonna I think it's important to sort of like cover Big news as it's happening particularly sort of as we're kind of more and more involved with
Kind of what's happening in this world and people are kind of noticing us And so I feel like I don't want to make this like a like this week in the alt-right podcast or whatever I want to kind of keep a bigger perspective on things but it is also kind of necessary to let people know when there are kind of big things happening and this isn't quite as big as maybe the stuff happening last week, but they're all arguing about money and And that's really interesting that it's happening right at this moment as well, so we'll get into that.
But before that, we should probably talk about a piece that's tangentially relevant to us in the Daily Beast.
That's right, and we're recording from my point of view anyway, because of course Daniel and I are in different time zones.
But from my point of view, it's the evening of the day during which, the morning of which, I've gotten completely lost now.
The Daily Beast article about Daniel and I Don't Speak German dropped, which has been a very exciting day from my point of view.
Lots of new followers, hello everybody.
Lots of new listeners as well, hello everybody again.
I was pleased with the article, to be honest, I really was.
Oh yeah, no, and this will be the first link in the show notes, and it is entitled, This podcaster dug into the world of Neo-Nazis, now they've put a target on him.
And it is written by Nick Martin, who contacted me a couple of weeks ago.
He's a freelancer.
He was incredibly respectful and did, I think, a really great job kind of telling the story in a clear and respectful and everything kind of way.
I have no complaints about the process or the finished product, honestly, which is, you know, it's a – as someone who talks about people kind of antagonistically, I don't want to say for a living because, you know, not many people pay me for this.
But, you know, certainly as someone who kind of does this pretty full time at this point, it is worth kind of acknowledging that there is an inherent anxiety to knowing that someone else is like telling your story to some degree.
And so, yeah.
Yeah, I know.
Nick Martin did a great job on that.
So thank you to Nick for treating that well.
Yes, indeed.
Shout out to Nick.
Good job.
Thank you very much.
And also, my apologies to Nick on a personal level because he was extremely patient trying to talk to me online and eventually didn't get anywhere talking to me, which was my decision.
As I said to him, there's basically nothing I can tell you that Daniel doesn't know.
My role here is basically just to be the guy that Daniel talks to.
But yeah, we had some correspondence and he was very nice and very patient with me.
So yeah, good man.
Thank you very much for everything, Nick.
So that's been really great.
We've had, overall, a very positive response to it.
Oh yeah, definitely.
The one weird thing that happened was Rick Wilson, the Nefertrump neocon dickhead who writes for the Daily Beast, retweeted it and now follows me on Twitter.
And I just want to be clear that...
You should get how I feel about that by the fact that I called him Rick Wilson v. Neocon and never trumped a guess, alright?
Thank you, he is now my most famous follower, so we'll see how long that lasts, but yeah.
That was just amusing this morning when I saw Rick Wilson retweeted me and then suddenly I'm getting...
Suddenly the MAGA crowd jumps into my mentions for 20 minutes.
It was kind of amazing.
Which normally they don't notice me.
I'm beneath their notice because I'm not talking enough about Trump.
We also had a bit of a shout out from, oh god, I'm spacing on her name, the journalist, Talia... Talia Lavin.
Talia Lavin, that's right.
And as you said on Twitter, you know, it's possible in that case that we might come to the notice of a certain Mr. Tucker Carlson.
Because Tucker Carlson has a little bit of a hate boner for Miss Lavin.
He does rather, yeah.
Which I think redounds enormously to her credit.
Oh, she is wonderful.
I mean, we DM'd a bit here and there.
I mean, you know, so Tali and I are...
Familiar with each other, at least from a distance.
I've really appreciated her journalism and her Twitter is hilarious.
Before Rick Wilson decided to follow me, she was my most famous follower.
She was very nice to tweet the article out and tag me in it, not once, but twice.
That's lovely.
She just followed me today, so that's big ups.
Brilliant.
Anyway, we should get into the article a little bit.
It basically just tells the story of this podcast and how it was created.
We assume we're getting new listeners on this episode, but certainly...
You know, if you've been listening for a while, it's not going to tell you a whole lot that you don't already know about sort of the history, but it is kind of worth a read.
It is a good summary.
It is pretty much exactly the story I told him, which is of course the 100% accurate objective truth, because it was the version I told him.
And it also tells the story of, a little bit about Jared William Smith, aka AntiCosmic2182, the one who decided to threaten to burn my house down and kill Beto O'Rourke and blow up CNN.
It does give a little bit of that context.
So I'm actually just going to read a little bit of this and then kind of comment on a certain other person who decided to comment on this on our most recent episode, episode 33.
Yeah!
It's not Dingo again, is it?
No, no.
Dingo... We'll leave him alone for a week.
That'll be for the best.
We'll leave him alone for a week.
That'll be for the best.
Okay.
We'll get there in a second.
So, in early September, Harper and his co-hosts, that's you, Jack.
It is, isn't it?
It is.
Harper and his co-hosts released a pair of episodes that focused on the adherence of an obscure neo-Nazi author named James Mason.
A book Mason wrote has become a bible of sorts for terrorist and neo-Nazi groups like Atomwaffen Division, and it has helped spawn a new wave of so-called accelerationists, people who believe societal collapse is the quickest way to create an all-white ethnostate.
Many of those adherents flocked to Telegram, the encrypted messaging app, in recent months after getting booted from other social media platforms.
They've created their own enclave there, which they refer to as "Terrorgram." It was there, in the Terrorgram community, that the threats against Harper took shape.
On September 11th, an anonymous post appeared on one of the Terrorgram channels, telling people to send Harper "fan mail" at his address in Michigan.
The following day, the same channel published a video from someone who drove by the address and filmed the house.
Howdy, anti-fascist activist Daniel Harper, the text of the post read.
Nice place you've got there.
The post set off a wave of chatter on Telegram.
In the midst of it was a user who went by the handle Anticosmic2182 who chimed in with his thoughts about what to do with Harper.
Ditch the car somewhere a few blocks away, take back alleys, trails in the woods, etc., and then come up on the house wearing a mask, he wrote.
I'm not saying to do anything illegal, but I am saying it would be a real shame if all he has went up in literal flames.
In court records, the FBI later revealed...
In court records, the FBI later said that Anticosmic2182 was Smith, an infantry soldier stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas.
The bureau also revealed that it had an undercover agent on Telegram who was interacting with Smith around the same time.
There is much more to this piece.
It's definitely worth reading the whole thing But I think that that that gets the that gives some detail that I left out of the last episode 33 because I wasn't Inclined to sort of like talk in detail about you know What exactly was was the nature of the threat and sort of the additional information and there's still stuff that's left out of that summary Believe it or not there.
There's more But that does give you a little bit of additional context.
I think for obvious reasons I was trying to sit on that for a little bit longer.
I love that they went for the classic nice place you have here.
It's almost the full classic nice place you've got here, be a shame if something happened to it.
I always like it when people go with the tried and trusted favourites.
I also love that he's taking such care about ditch the car a certain distance away and wear a mask.
Well, he's actually talking to an undercover agent.
I think that's very funny.
Well, this was in the absolutely public, like anybody can log into a Telegram channel.
This wasn't even in the private chat with somebody.
Oh, right.
So, Telegram is just public to anybody.
Yeah.
So, Telegram isn't even really... I mean, I think there's one... So, let me be honest here.
I don't spend a lot of time in the Telegram groups.
I mean, I know their existence.
I go and I kind of check in on them from time to time.
But there are people who do this work who have infiltrated all the Telegram groups who are inside of it, who spend as much time as I spend listening to podcasts and watching YouTube channels just kind of tracking the people in these Telegram groups, right?
And that's just, I mean, you know, it's diversity of tactics, you know, it's just there are other people doing that and it doesn't fit into the work that I do in the same way, so I don't spend a ton of time there.
So welcome to our new podcast, I Don't Speak on Terragram.
I Don't Speak on Terragram, right!
Although I mean it may be I mean we may end up I don't know We'll get there.
I might end up spending more of my time there.
We'll see how anyway So I believe there is one actually called Terragram But there are a whole lot of them that sort of like they all kind of share content back and forth So you can like create a link in one and then like share it to another telegram group and so The initial video of somebody, and we don't know who it is, it's completely unidentified, was posted in the Boldcast channel.
There's an actual Boldcast 333.
There's a channel called Boldcast333 and that's the one that posted the original video.
That's the original source of it.
I have, like, people who are expert in, like, analyzing this data who tell me conclusively it was originally posted in that channel by someone using the kind of official Boldcast Telegram, like, handle, right?
So someone with access to that handle posted that video.
Now that doesn't mean that it could have been shared to them.
We have no idea who was the person who drove past.
I highly doubt it was Anticosmic2182 who really just ultimately was memeing and doing his kind of bullshit thing of threatening violence from behind the keyboard ultimately.
And, you know, as I said in the piece, and as I hope I made clear in the last episode, I never had any kind of context that, like, this particular guy was going to personally come after me.
Like, that was never the intent.
That was never, like, the fear.
That's never the thing.
It's somebody else is gonna, like, who's closer, or somebody else who's just gonna, like, decide to do something about it in order to, you know, become one of the quote-unquote saints that they were here, you know?
Like, that was always the worry, and I don't know, and I hope that came across in the episode.
No, that was very clear to anybody who was, you know, actually listening.
Yeah.
Sure.
Well, Vic Mackey went on Goi Talk, a five-hour episode of Goi Talk, which is entitled Number 69.
I have not included a link to that for a couple of reasons.
I'm not included a link to that for a couple of reasons the most important of which is just I don't know how long it's gonna stay up on the internet so if anybody wants that just say I can I can I have it I can get it to you but I'm not I normally like to include links to this stuff I also don't think any of our audience is gonna go watch a five-hour
Video of these guys talking about nonsense for like an 18 minute segment starting at 3 hours and 43 minutes But you can you can google the title and you can you can find it.
Yes.
This is my life listening to these guys Thankfully, I listen at high speed, or else, like, yeah, anyway.
As I say in the intro, you do it so we don't have to.
Right.
So, the Goi Talk crew kind of talked about the episode, and they're having some kind of internal divisions right now.
There's fighting, we'll get to it.
And Mackie comes on as sort of an impromptu guest.
And this is Vic Mackie, he's the head guy of the Bowl Patrol, the bowl cast, he's the HBIC of the bowl cast.
He's very proud of that, and he's very proud that I am paying attention to him, which is very clear from listening to that.
Well, I empathize because I'm always very proud when you pay attention to me.
So one of the things, so basically Mackie claims that I'm lying about him and that I'm saying that he, I don't remember the exact words that he used and I don't want to, you know, kind of put words in this guy's mouth. I don't remember the exact words that he used and
But he's essentially playing a game where he's pretending that I'm saying that some official member of the Bull Patrol and somebody in the Bull Patrol group or the Bullcast group is doing, you know, is doing that, that this, that this.
Jarrett Smith is, like, kind of buddy-buddy with these guys.
Which, again, you have to miss the entire context of episodes 28, 29, and 33 to come away with that impression, right?
So, like, he's implying that you're saying that, like, Jarrett William Smith is, you know, member number 4972 of Ball Patrol, and he was issued with a directive from Ball Patrol Central, or something like that?
Right, I mean he's kind of pretending that that's the claim that I'm making because yeah Like ultimately the what these guys are always gonna say is well, I don't have any like contact or that guy He's not like an official member of the group and one of the things that we've seen since the Collapse of our since the sort of like banning of 8chan and since these guys had to kind of leave and since they all kind of migrated to telegram like back in the day the boldcast telegram group was like 30 people right and And they were all pretty, like, kind of hardcore.
They were all pretty, like, vetted amongst themselves and they, you know, like, there wasn't a sense, there was a sense that that was kind of the core group.
And they would kind of change names and they would kind of do all kinds, and there were people that kind of filtered in and out.
But there's a real kind of core, we know who the Bull Patrol is, we know who the Bull Cast is, we know who these guys are.
Since 8chan's gone away and all these people have just kind of gone and migrated over to Telegram, and now this group has like several hundred if not like a thousand members in it.
And it makes it much harder to track who's actually important in this and who isn't, right?
You just have to track the conversations and do maps of the individual people.
It's a lot harder to get a quick sense of it.
This is one of the arguments against deplatforming, actually.
Which is sort of a complicated argument on this side of the fence, which we'll probably cover in more detail at some point in the future about sort of the pitfalls, the promising pitfalls of what deplatforming means, etc.
But one of the things about that is that suddenly it becomes a lot harder to track these guys for people like me and people kind of tracking these Telegram channels when it's just kind of filled with like randos essentially.
Um now Jarrett Smith had clearly like he was kind of being groomed.
He had done some training.
He is Connected to people who are you know connected to like paramilitary groups in Ukraine?
I mean, this is a pretty hardcore guy But there's no evidence that he was like sort of like in the media environment of like creating the Bowl Patrol kind of certainly back in like the early days of 2015 2016 um And that's the out that Mackey's trying to do he's trying to say well look he wasn't a member of the Bowl Patrol and Harper's just lying about me.
It's like I never said this guy was Bowl Patrol I said he's part of the siege pill community, which is absolutely true He's also like this didn't happen in the like official bowl cast channel.
It happened in what's it called like a Slovak siege shack is the name of the actual telegram group Yeah, duh I never made that claim.
To a certain degree, we're trying to avoid some of the intricacies in the interest of time and for not boring the audience, which these guys clearly have no issue.
Yeah, they don't care about that.
They don't care about that.
In fact, one of the criticisms I got from the Goi Talk episode was, man, there's just no discourse here.
They just pick a topic and talk for like an hour and then the show's over.
It's like, yeah, well, maybe people don't want to sit and listen to you guys bullshit and get drunk for five hours.
Yeah.
We actually want people to listen, and maybe people who don't know anything about this, or maybe learn something, that's kind of our goal, rather than just to spend our entire lives bullshitting at each other.
I mean, not to say that we haven't done bullshitting into each other for our podcast before, but... Yeah, but that's not this show, is it?
That's not this show, exactly.
This is meant to be educational and informative, as opposed to a replacement for a social life.
Look, let's face it.
We have done extraordinarily long podcasts that were basically us and some of our friends bullshitting at each other.
And they were fun, but there's a reason why they were downloaded by, you know, 100, maybe 200 people.
And these are downloaded by thousands of people.
Right.
No, absolutely.
And yeah, no, it's just the other thing that they always tend to, you know, whine about is like, he's like so interested in the soap opera.
He's following like the drama of like the individual people and kind of who they are and who they're fighting with.
That's their entire fucking subculture!
It's just them having a fucking soap opera constantly!
Well, I mean, there is the, like, you don't talk about the ideas, you just talk about the people, and, you know, like, we try to, like, mix the two.
It's also like, well, your ideas are fucking stupid and they get debunked in 30 seconds when I try, and so we have to fill the time somehow.
But also, it's about trying to, like...
Humanize these guys and I'm trying to I want you to understand who Vic Mackey is or at least who his public persona is I want you to understand who Cantwell is as a person and understand him as a terrible human being And a broken human being and just with an awful ideology who is on the verge of violence at almost any moment I
But also I want you to understand him as a person with a past and a person with a history who had you who has a family and who has, you know, a life and who, you know, didn't have to be this, you know, that like that's the goal is to try to capture both, you know, the humanity and the awfulness.
Right.
And like, you know, these guys, they don't they seemingly don't.
They don't understand, or they're just kind of using it as like, oh, you treat this like a Marvel movie kind of concept.
Which I think we've proven, we don't even treat Marvel movies like Marvel movies.
No, that's right.
We treat Marvel movies very seriously.
We treat Marvel movies as indictments of imperialist capitalism.
It's just sort of one of those like, it's also like if you're going to try again to entertain an audience and you're going to try to talk to people and get them invested and try to understand this stuff, you have to build a story, you have to build a narrative, you have to like say something that makes sense and like it has to have a beginning, middle, and end.
And I mean, again, it's just sort of like when your, when your goal of being a podcaster is just to kind of sit and bullshit with your friends for five hours.
It's, you know, you don't get that sense.
But it is, I mean, it's really, I mean, I hate to give these guys advice, but it's one of the problems with your fucking movement, guys.
It's all you do is this, instead of like, you know, it's like, how do we reach normies?
Well, maybe making content that people can approach.
But, if you do that, you just come across as complete asshole.
Anyway, I can fight that too, it's fine.
Anyway, so, we did get that criticism.
Well, there are some of you that actually do want to build a movement, but I think there's more than a few of you that don't actually want to bother with that, just want somebody powerful to get into power and do it for you, and all you actually want to do is sit around with your friends, who you will secretly hate each other, of course.
And bullshit and show off and whinge at each other.
That's actually what you want to do, I think.
Which is ultimately one of the criticisms that they have of each other, so much of the time, quite honestly.
There you go, it's a bit like that thing where, I mean, this isn't to take a position on this, this is a non-sectarian podcast, but there's the fairly good quip about atheism, which is that all religious believers are atheists regarding every religion except their own.
Well, these guys sometimes have very keen insight into the flaws of their, you know, their own movement.
It's just that they don't apply it to themselves.
Right.
Or they have, you know, insights into sort of like, this is the thing we need to be doing, we need to be working together, we need to have more solidarity.
We need to, you know, do something, you know, we need to...
And they said, like, we'll talk about this in a second when we get to, like, the actual grift question, Seth, because, like, it was just fascinating.
There were, like, two episodes that just sort of, like, you know, anyway.
But they just...
Yeah, so, Vic Mackey.
Yeah, it's just, like, I just, I felt it necessary to cover that, just...
Just to say, this is Mackie's response.
I, you know, he's a human being.
I don't want to, you know, I don't want to libel him or slander him.
I don't, you know, I want him, you know, I want this coverage to be fair.
I think he's a terrible person.
He's, like, threatened friends of mine with rape and death.
He's pushing an overtly violent agenda of worldwide, or at least nationwide, blood running in the streets, et cetera, et cetera, but I certainly don't want you to think that I'm lying about him, and that's what he's claiming.
And so... Yeah.
Yeah.
That's... But he's... I mean, if you'd said what he says you said, then he'd have a point, but you didn't, so...
Right.
And at first I thought, like, did I just, was I really just speaking?
Was I just that unclear?
And I gave the audio to a couple of people and just kind of said, like, tell me what you think of this.
And it's like, he's out of his fucking mind.
It's like, okay.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
So that's all I really want to talk about about that.
Again, just thanks to Nick Martin for the profile.
It was very lovely.
And I hope, I hope, You know, we'll see what the long term effects are of it, but I hope it brings more people to the show and kind of brings more people to To listen to this and, you know, just hit the fascist even harder.
That's kind of what I hope it does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And well, you know, maybe even it seems we might have even brought some people out of, you know, some pretty nasty situations they've been in or contributed towards doing that as well.
And that's great.
That's really, you know, really gratifying to think that we might have helped to do that.
Oh yeah, definitely.
I mean, I don't talk much about the emails I get and it's not germane to the podcast.
I don't speak germane.
I don't speak germane, I only speak esoteric.
I thought I'd just spell your subtle joke out in literal terms.
The little giggle I had there, yeah, no.
No, I try not to talk too much about, like, that sort of thing, because it's private correspondence and it's not, like, you know, I really, like, if you send me an email, I'm really bad about getting back to people, but if you send me a message, I will not read it on the air without your explicit permission.
You know, that's, it's just not something I do, and I don't, any, anytime I do talk about things, I obscure details, and so it's not, there's no, there's no kind of identifiable stuff.
Yeah, I did.
I did speak to Nick about some of the messages I got in kind of very general terms, and I have had people say, I was on the verge of maybe doing something terrible, and your podcast kind of woke me up.
And it's like, that's, I feel...
I'm humbled and honoured to have that opportunity.
It's just amazing.
No, it doesn't get much better than that.
And I can testify to anybody who might want to get in touch that Daniel is incredibly conscientious about this stuff.
He's very careful about what he tells me, and that's not from want of trust, it's just that he feels this conscientious necessity to play fair with people.
So, yeah, don't hesitate on that score, anybody.
Both people, I mean both like kind of fascist and, you know, sort of anti-fascist are people who are, you know, people try to... I get the email all the time like, you know, what do you know about like local organizing in X area?
And my answer is always like, I don't know, I have no fucking clue.
I'm sorry, it's not the work I do!
Um, you know, I just, I just don't, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's really, I mean, and I've talked to, you know, kind of on the ground activists who have a kind of similar conversation where like, it's like, how do you, how do you find somebody in your area?
And it's like, oh, it's tough.
It's really tough.
And it's like, well, how, what are we doing to help that?
It's like, oh, it's, it's tough.
Like, it's, you know, because like most, most people who do like anti-fascist work are like incredibly localized.
It's often like a town.
Or like, you know, a few counties, maybe a state, you know, like something like that, because it's so focused on the kind of particular material conditions that are kind of right here in our area, and the specific threats that are right here.
And like, if you're not kind of a more national figure, for instance, like, I don't necessarily know who these guys are unless they're somebody who talks in front of a microphone that, you know, has something like a national or international audience.
Like, that's just...
I'm not trying to say that the rest of that isn't important.
Far from it.
I think it's more important to cover the people who are, you know, kind of close to the ground in your area.
But that's just not the stuff that I'm doing, you know?
And so, when people do send me those messages, I'm very, like, honored that people would think I would know, but it's also like I have to...
I don't know, man, I'm sorry.
And so, yeah, please feel free to reach out to me.
I mean, you know, I will do what I can.
Maybe I'll try to put together a... I'll get somebody on who can give kind of general advice for that stuff, or put a link somewhere at some point.
But anyway, we are far afield from the topic of this episode, so... Wow, that's unusual.
Yeah.
So, the grift question, the GQ.
Yeah, so they're arguing about money.
Now, arguing about money is something that these guys do a lot, right?
The fact that, you know, for instance, TRS, The Right Stuff, the Daily Show guys, they've had a paywall since right around Unite the Right, you know, $10 a month, and they kind of make their living off of doing this.
People didn't really feel bad about that at the time because they were doing a lot of kind of in-person activism.
They were kind of traveling for the movement.
And also, you know, there was a sense of like, well, these guys are like, A, some of the biggest guys in this.
And, you know, they'd lost their jobs, you know, and they didn't, and so they needed support.
But as it becomes clear that, you know, Enoch is less of a sort of movement organizer and more of a racist podcast host, Mm-hmm.
It becomes a lot harder to sort of justify like what is it?
What are we actually doing?
Except for just listening to stupid podcasts, you know over and over again Like why like why are we giving these guys money to just kind of sit and make this content?
Why can't they get a real job again?
You know, etc, etc Work for the movement, don't bullshit for the movement.
Right.
I mean, it's like, what are we doing here?
And I think this also, I mean, we've discussed this on previous episodes, but I guess, you know, I think a lot of people will find the podcast for this episode.
But, you know, there was a sense kind of in that 2017, particularly kind of in the, you know, eight months between the Trump inauguration and Unite the Right, there was a lot of sense that like, This is all going to be done in like six months.
We're going to see mass deportations in early 2018 or something.
There really was this sense that they had that kind of momentum behind them, that Unite the Right was going to be their shining moment, and it was all coming out of this era of essentially just small protests, but this kind of regular movement energy, and they could just drive it online.
And what they don't realize is that they're not fighting a real axis of oppression, right?
They're not actually able to build a solidarity movement because they're really just kind of sitting and whining about, like, Harvard admissions benefiting people who aren't traditionally waspy enough.
Or, you know, we're poor and we have problems and we have, like, opiate addictions and, you know, real problems like that.
But then it's like, but only, we only care about it when it affects white people.
Or, yeah, there's violent crime.
And the answer that we have for that is, like, more prisons, you know, more, you know, violence, more state violence against African Americans and Hispanic people.
And they don't realize the sort of, like, the systemic problems that sort of put that in there.
And so when they do try to organize around this stuff, the second they reach any kind of resistance, they just sort of quit, you know?
And then they fight amongst themselves.
And it's just, like, again, I mean, it's something that we kind of got into in the last episode.
It's something we've talked about before.
But, I mean, I get this.
I get this.
They talk about this all the time.
I wasn't really gonna talk about Dingo in this episode because I've talked about him enough But that's the one thing that he says a lot is like why can't we get one our white people just not?
able to do this and we'll get into this in the Kevin McDonald episode because it touches on some of those issues as well and This is a concept called pathological altruism, which is a big Kevin Macdonald trope, and it's basically that white people have this, you know, pathological need to be nice to people who are not like them, and as a contraindication to this, I present you the entire history of colonialism and post-colonialism.
Yeah.
This will be news to a great many people.
Yes, indeed.
We won't get into that right now because it's not really the topic of this.
We're trying to keep it slightly lighter than that.
Um, yeah, no, I mean, they talk about this a lot, and they talk about, like, why can't we build a movement?
What's preventing us from doing this?
And I mean, again, like, the answer, I mean, again, I don't want to give you advice on how to build a better movement, but ultimately, it's inherently self-contradictory to try to do the thing you're doing.
All you can do is try to go back to a time that doesn't exist anymore, in which state violence is enacted against people you don't like.
You can take control of the reins of power if you, managed to do that i mean there are ways you can do that i'm terrified that you're going to do that and you can kill a whole lot of people but again hitler's thousand year reich lasted 12 years like you know it's it's you can't build a real thing out of this it's just it doesn't work yeah anyway and one of the things they fight about it when it comes down to this is money and about like who's getting money and who's not and should we get money and what kind of money should we take in a i i
The reason I wanted to do this one is that Richard Spencer recorded...
I guess we should get, we did Richard Spencer in episode 1, and I feel really bad about episodes 1 and 2, particularly now that the audience is getting bigger and bigger, because we hadn't quite figured out how to do this in those two episodes, and so I feel like episode 3 is really kind of the beginning of this podcast as far as I'm concerned.
There's a lot of good information in them, I'm not ashamed of it or anything, but it took us a few episodes to really get in the groove of figuring out how to do this podcast, and we're still figuring it out to some degree, because we don't know how to do this.
No, we have no idea.
So Spencer kind of has gone away.
He was part of Heel Turn for a while.
When Heel Turn broke up, and remember that the Vanguard streaming guys, the Goi Talk Live crew, they were right up in there with Spencer.
They were like the other half or the other third of Heel Turn alongside kind of Augustus Invictus and Richard Spencer.
And when that all kind of broke up over, like, kind of internal divisions, which are kind of largely, in retrospect, probably based on who was and was not siege-pilled, Spencer kind of went back and started doing his, like, NPI, the National Policy Institute.
He started just kind of going back and doing his old podcasting things with his old buddies.
And right now he's doing, there's a channel called MPI Radix.
You can Google it, that's M-P-I slash R-A-D-I-X.
You can go watch, he has a YouTube channel, he has an RSS feed, it's all kind of right there.
I did include a link to the most recent episode called The Grift Question.
It has some other stuff they discussed as well, but it's called The Grift Question, so you can find it there.
And he's calling the new show the McSpencer Group, which is basically a sort of the parody of the McLaughlin Group, which was the old PBS kind of public debate channel, political debate chat show by Matt McLaughlin.
You know, Pat Buchanan was a regular guest on that, and it has a very specific format.
I assume you've watched at least a little bit of this show.
You're familiar with it, Jack?
No, I'm not.
Sorry.
Oh, okay.
I was assuming that the format would at least something about it, but McLaughlin would kind of sit in the middle of a large panel of like five or six people, and he's like, you know, Question!
What's the best way to nuke Russia?
or this very high-pitched, aggressive style.
And then it was kind of rapid fire, and it has a very specific pattern.
Well, Richard Spencer and his buddies have sort of taken over that basic pattern, and they're doing the McSpencer Group, which is basically the same thing.
Although they've lightened up on the...
They used to do this in the Alt-Right Politics podcast, and now they've kind of lightened up slightly on the format.
But it is very much sort of a political chat show.
They pick three or four topics and just kind of go through it 15 or 20 minutes at a time.
And if you're interested in the kinds of things that Richard Spencer has to say, it's actually a fairly listenable show, believe it or not.
But they did a segment called the Drift Question in an episode they put out just a few days ago.
And ultimately, what's happening is that the siege pill community, the Skull Masks, the Skull Boys, as we can say, so-called because all their avatars, they record wearing the skull mask across their face, so the Skull Mask crowd or whatever.
Which is basically synonymous with the Siegefield community, at least within this world.
There's no particular reason to differentiate between them.
You know, the whole thing there is that these guys are trying to push, like, kind of violent revolution on one level or another, and it's like, what's the point of, like, creating a think tank?
Which is essentially what Richard Spencer's trying to do.
What's the point of putting money into this thing?
Like, we've been trying to do that for 70 years.
Ever since the end of World War II, there's been, you know, somebody somewhere trying to create, like, a return to a, you know, a white America.
using some form of kind of ordinary electoral politics and think tanks, et cetera, et cetera.
And they're not wrong.
It has been that way.
Of course, they've also been trying to overthrow the government through violent means for just as long.
That also hasn't worked.
So I don't know why they continue to have this argument except none of them have read any history.
And I kind of like it that way.
So, like, that's fine.
But actually, a few of them have, but they still kind of debate.
They're having the same debates they were having 70 years ago.
It's pretty glorious.
But Spencer is, you know, is very, you know, he's like, look, the thing, you know, if you want real power, you have to engage with the culture.
You have to engage with, you know, kind of the mechanisms that already exist.
And, like, we have to professionalize.
There have to be people who are good at this who can do it for a living.
So a sort of march through the institutions, you could say.
That's exactly what Spencer's goal is.
Like, that's always been his goal.
That's his explicit plan, is to kind of go through and to, you know, change the culture, change the politics by changing the culture, and to, you know, and to create this whole thing.
Like, that's what he's trying to do.
And the Skull Mask crowd is going, like, well, why should we give you money?
Because you're just gonna, you're just taking money out of other people's pockets, you know?
You need it more.
Yeah, okay, I see that.
And, you know, it's weird because they're not even, like, again, like, the thing that they're trying to do is inherently contradictory, so it's not even like, you know, I can give them, I don't come down on a side, even to the degree that I agree with their, like, I don't agree with their goals, obviously, but I don't come down on a side because, like, neither one is really going to work, you know, ultimately.
But at the same time, like, you can sort of get the, you know, you can sort of get the idea of, you know, they look at someone like Richard Spencer.
I mean, look, if you're a poor kid from West Virginia, and you're, you know, 22 years old, and you work as a janitor, you work in a McDonald's, and a lot of these guys do work as janitors, so they work at some McDonald's.
And you're racist as fuck, and you want to create a white ethnostate.
And you're saying, why should I give 10 bucks a month to a racist radio host who isn't doing anything?
Why should I give any money?
Why should we fund people like Richard Spencer, who comes from old family money?
Like, Richard Spencer is descended from slave owners in Louisiana.
I mean, you know?
Yeah.
So they're learning class politics.
Like, in real time!
And if only we could reach them and say, like, it turns out maybe you have more in common with that black person at the cashier next to you that you despise, or the Hispanic person who's mopping the floor, than you do with a Richard Spencer.
Yeah, it would be lovely if we could do that, but for the vast majority of them, that's why it's not actually class politics, because that avenue is already completely foreclosed upon.
Right.
I mean, it's just the sort of thing where I'm not saying that they're actually doing class politics.
I'm sorry.
No, I understand what you're saying.
I understand.
But they're reaching in that direction.
They're starting to kind of discover that.
They're starting to just sort of realize that issue, which there's always been a hint of that.
I mean, I don't want to say this is brand new, but I think it's interesting that you're seeing this very specific divide, which kind of mirrors the old optics debate, which happened after Unite the Right, where they were arguing about what kind of clothes we should wear and how we present the best face to the world but they're actually starting to kind of reach in and go why why should we care about richard spencer what is he doing for us um and i and i do like to the degree that we have nazis listening to us i do like you know
realize you have more in common with the with the the gay people and the trans people and the the black people and brown people that you despise we Realize that you're working for the same dollar that Richard Spencer will never have to work for.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, absolutely.
And they won't listen to me because, I mean, hopefully, maybe they will.
Please.
It would be nice, wouldn't it?
It would be.
I mean, I hate to just sort of, like, reach it out there, and I just kind of know we've got terrible people listening, and as long as you're listening, please give us a little bit of a context there.
What was even more interesting is that GoiTalk did an episode, they called it Grift Talk.
And it seemed like they were sort of planning this slightly before Spencer did this thing, which kind of implies there's a larger argument rumbling around in forums that I just hadn't quite picked up on until these last couple episodes.
But Go Talk did an episode called Griff Talk, and they brought on a panel of people to sit and debate options.
And these guys are absolute batshit out of their mind.
You have a guy saying, like, what we need to do is create an SPLC, but for, like, white nationalists.
Like a pro-white, quote-unquote, SPLC.
That's just gonna go and, like, dox anti-racist activists.
And it's gonna go, like, harass them.
Because that's what they think the SPLC does, right?
It's just meant to harass.
And again, we can have our issues with the SPLC and there's like lots of structural things and certainly you know I think they do some there are some great people there that I know personally and some great people I don't know personally and there's a whole lot of shit that's all around that and I'm not here to kind of piece that together but the SPLC does a lot more.
It's primary goal is not, like, harassing white nationalists.
It's primary goal is informing and, like, you know, doing lawsuits and such.
There's a guy, you know, Pat Exberg's plan is we just need to, you know, instead of giving money to podcasters, we just need to put an AR-15 in the hands of, like, everybody, every white man in the town, you know?
Yeah.
Just arm people.
Like, let's just spend a few hundred dollars on every single white man in a town.
And then how is that?
Like, how are you going to do that without organization?
Right?
Yeah.
How are you going to make that happen when you can't even show your fucking face in public?
Because you're terrified that people are gonna find out about the terrible things you believe, you know, like And they think they're just gonna like I mean, they're all kind of like planning for this boogaloo They're planning for this revolution and like They're just the the the options that they give and the things that they talk about the things that they think are reasonable They all seem to agree that what we need to do is we need to find like legal defense funds for like people who get arrested
And we need to fund commissary funds for people who go to prison support sort of stuff.
Which is the exact thing that they're all really, really bad at funding.
Stuff that's for stuff that isn't going to give them either immediate gratification in terms of punching a commie, Or a media gratification in terms of laughing at a stupid racist podcast.
And it's kind of the ultimate like clicktivism stuff, but it's even worse.
It's literally just like, you know, racist teenagers sitting around and jerking off to, you know, happy merchant memes and pretending like they're building a movement.
Which they're not.
They really need to study the history of their own ideological persuasion.
Because they could find out how – again, I don't want to offer them advice or help – but they could find out how fascist movements actually gain power.
How it's actually done.
If they just bothered to look into the history of it.
Right.
It's not done like this, you know.
You have to have an alliance with the elites that you will hate and that don't want anything to do with you, etc.
etc.
Yeah.
If all the Stormtroopers had done, if all they'd done would be to sit around in the beer halls talking shit with each other, it never would have happened.
They would have gone anywhere.
Exactly.
They're just having this argument.
It's a continual thing about money.
The ones that are trying to make money from this.
The ones that are trying to professionalize.
Like that's one of the things they have against Cantwell.
Against Chris Cantwell.
Crying Nazi for anybody who doesn't know.
Like everybody listening to this should know who Cantwell is at this point.
But we probably have some new listeners.
So we'll go, you know, this is the Crying Nazi guy.
Uh, one of the big issues that they have with him is that he's, like, trying to professionalize it.
He talks about, like, he can't get any funding all the time.
And, uh, you know, he's, uh, we'll do a little bit of Cantwell news here at the end, um, you know, but he's, the whole issue here, again, this sort of discovery of class politics, this, this sort of, You know, nascent understanding.
I find it really interesting that it's happening now.
Like, as the siege pillars, as the Skull Mask Boys are starting to be, to have actual institutional pressure put against them.
And as they're starting to realize, like, this is fucking serious, dudes.
You know?
Like, a lot of these guys have gotten knocks at their door from the FBI.
A lot of these guys have gotten knocks at the door from the FBI.
And it's pretty, again, not that we're sitting here in favor of the FBI.
The FBI is a terrible organization.
We're not fans of the FBI, to put it mildly.
But if they're actually doing the thing they pretend to be doing, then we'll at least give them some modicum of support.
At least you're not fighting leftists.
At least you're not fighting people who are actually oppressed.
In this one instance, anyway.
Right.
Sorry, I'm trying to be flippant and I'm not quite coming across.
A lot of these guys have gotten knocks on the door from federal agencies.
A lot of these guys are actually getting harassed, apparently.
Again, this guy, Augustus Invictus, I guess we'll have to do an episode on him.
I have no idea what we're going to do for a whole episode on him, but we'll figure it out.
Maybe it'll be a 45 minute episode or something like that.
Yeah, or maybe we'll do a twofer like we did with Alcibin Fuentes or something.
You know he's a lawyer and basically you know he's been a whole bunch of these guys who've been you know getting quote-unquote harassment from the FBI and he's been sending he's been like sending cease and desist orders or orders and such how well it's gonna go out for him I don't think he's a particularly clever lawyer just from listening to him talk about certain issues on which I actually do know a little bit about the legal issues he's just completely avoiding but um yeah no he's he's
You know, they are having this problem, and I think that, you know, as this is happening, and as people like Jared William Smith are being arrested, and as, you know, they're seeing that, like, just because you're just shitposting on Telegram doesn't mean, A, that you're building a movement, and B, that you're kind of immune from the consequences of the real world.
It becomes, it's just sort of a fascinating kind of moment.
And ultimately, what's the result of this?
As they continue to feel the jackboot of the state, which is like, hey, stop harassing people online.
Stop threatening to burn people's houses down.
That's bad.
What kind of a pass has it come to when you can't just threaten to burn somebody's house down without being harassed by the fascist government?
It's outrageous.
Just as they continue to kind of feel this, and as the movement continues to flounder, and as they continue to kind of spin their wheels, it just leads into more despair, and more violence, and more anxiety, and more tension.
And more of the stuff that leads to the mass shooting phenomenon.
More of this kind of stuff.
It's really frustrating for me, personally, to know that so many of these guys are actually hurting.
To know that so many of these guys really do Fear for their future.
And, you know, they've been fed this pack of lies about, like, white genocide, et cetera, et cetera.
They've been fed this, so much of this bullshit.
But then they do have a little, they do fear losing their jobs and this precarity of this, of the economic circumstances around them.
And if they could just wake up and understand, you know, that your problems are not caused by, like, the Jews.
It's just not, it's just not real.
If they could realise that, they could come and be part of a real movement that could do something effective, right?
Or they could at least have an analysis of the world and what's wrong with it, and the ultimate cause of their specific problems, that doesn't box them into this vicious, nihilistic cul-de-sac where there's nowhere to go but out there with a gun to, you know, Just completely shit the bed and commit suicide after taking loads of innocent people with you.
Exactly.
I mean, it's just...
It's the capitalist system, guys.
It's the capitalist system.
It's not the Jews.
It's not the black and brown people.
It's capitalism.
Preach.
Preach it.
So we got a little maudlin.
We got a little earnest.
I know one of the things we get credited for is being funny alongside our exploring the darkness.
And smug.
And smug, yeah, that's right.
I forgot to mention that on the show, but the one thing absolutely every one of the Nazis says about, not absolutely everyone, but very nearly every single one is like, they hate me because I'm their enemy.
Like, McMackey says, this guy, Harper, is your enemy on that episode of Boy Talk, and he's not wrong.
He is.
So am I. He's not wrong.
No.
Exactly.
He sees me as the enemy, but he says I'm a pretty good host.
He likes the show, I guess.
He finds it entertaining.
But they hate you.
And they hate you.
They just hate your attitude towards them.
They call you smug, or smarmy.
My attitude of utter contempt, you mean?
Right.
Well, that'd be because I hold them in contempt.
I do.
Not ultimately as human beings.
As I say, if they can be persuaded of how wrong they are and brought back over to the right side, or even just not that particular extreme of wrongness, then fine.
Great.
Crossover children.
All are welcome.
But when you're a fascist, you are an enemy of everything I believe in, and I fucking hate you, and I hold you in contempt.
So if I sound smug, it's because I think you're shit.
I want to be clear about this as well.
It's not just you're an enemy of everything I believe in.
Everything I believe in being democracy and equality and freedom.
I'm going to go more personal than that, honestly.
These guys don't believe in the Holocaust.
Okay, that's fine.
You don't have to believe in the Holocaust.
Well, you do, if you have any respect for facts.
Let's just set that aside for now, okay?
Okay, yeah, let's just set the Holocaust aside for now.
Let's just set that atrocity of the 20th century aside.
One of the worst things that's happened in human history.
Let's just set that aside for now.
What are you, how are you going to create this all-white ethnic?
What are you going to do?
What happens to me on the day of the rope?
What happens to, like, the trans people that I consider dear friends?
What happens to all the non-white people that I work with, that I live near, that I am friends with, that I go to coffee with?
What happens to... Absolutely.
What happens, like, you're talking about, like, At best, second class citizenship within an incredibly repressive police state for people like me.
And at worst, murder.
What reason do I have to get on your side?
We know what happens to people like us and the people we love.
In your regimes.
We know because we've looked at history.
And you know too because you make jokes about it.
You make jokes about helicopter rides and stuff like that.
We know that if you people get your way, we get rounded up into football stadiums and massacred.
We get sent to torture chambers.
We get sent to concentration camps.
We get gassed to death.
We know what happens.
And I feel that, you know, I'm a white, cis, heterosexual man.
I'm a wasp, for God's sake.
But I'm a communist.
I'm an avowed Marxist.
I know what happens to people like me in your regimes.
And there are people in the world that I love, you know, who are Jewish, or who are trans.
My oldest friend in the world, my closest friend in the world, is a lesbian.
I've known her since college.
I love her.
She'd be, you know, you would murder her.
So don't expect me to have anything but loathing and contempt for you.
And I didn't have any feeling about you whatsoever until you chose to come out and start saying that me and people I love and people like them should be killed.
And even if you, you know, oh, we don't say that.
Yes, you do.
Yes, you do.
Peaceful ethnic cleansing.
Fuck off.
There's no such thing.
You want us dead.
You want our families dead.
You want our friends dead.
You want our comrades dead.
You want millions of people dead, or as good as dead, or enslaved, or whatever.
Well, fuck off.
I have no truck with that whatsoever.
So you want me to have... No.
I have no patience with you.
I have no concern for your feelings.
So if you think I'm smug, yeah, I am.
I have a lot of failings.
At least I'm not a fucking Nazi.
Well, let's lighten it up just for the end.
I agree with every word of that.
And again, what their response is going to be, well, like, you're plotting white genocide.
We're going to do an episode on white genocide soon, I guess.
About the concept and where it comes from.
A guy named Bob Whitaker and his current bevy of sycophants.
He died in 2017, so whatever.
The white race doesn't exist, you fucking idiot.
There's no such thing.
It's an invention.
It's a social construct.
Their version of the oppression that they're fighting, this white genocide thing, is like, brown people will live nearby, and therefore my kids will be statistically more likely to mate with them, and therefore my grandchildren will be less white than I am.
That's their really terrible And they also believe things about crime rates and all that, which is complete nonsense.
And I have a statistically slightly higher chance of being beaten by some feral black or whatever.
That's the really bad version of... That's what they're trying to prevent by plotting to kill us all.
Anyway!
That's all an excuse.
Whether you're conscious of it or not, that's bullshit and it's an excuse to justify.
What you've already decided to feel.
And you've hitched your, you know, if the only self-esteem you have in this world is pride about your skin colour and this notional superiority that it gives you, and it's different, you know, black pride is different, I know, there's black pride, that's different, because black people have had an entirely different material history.
If your self-esteem just comes from the idea that you're a member of the white race, then you really are fucking reaching, I'm telling you.
You know?
Get something else to feel proud about.
Actually do something instead of just existing with pink skin.
Man, I kind of just want to end it there.
We can do the other news in the next episode.
I think that's a great place to end it, honestly.
I had a little bit of can't well, but it'll keep.
It'll keep, I promise.
Let's just do that, and this will be episode 34.
Daniel's made the executive decision that we're going to end with my rant, my tired rant.
There's no way I'm going to top that, ultimately.
Look, I said, even if they were not threatening to kill me, I know the reality of this, right?
I know the history.
Um, and I said after the Christchurch massacre, I said on this podcast, I'm not fucking around anymore, guys.
You know, this is not, this, they gamify this shit.
They turn this into, they do like achievements and high scores and they're like mass shootings and then they're, you know, they're, they're joking around about, I'm not joking.
chambers and day of the rope and you know helicopter rides etc etc etc etc i'm not joking like this is this isn't a game for me this is like everybody i know like in a in a in a pile This is what this is to me.
And if you want to continue to mock me for having man boobs or you don't like my hat or you think my beard looks disgusting or whatever, I don't give a shit.
I've got better things to do with my life than to worry about your opinion.
If you want to come to me and you want to leave the movement, or you're worried about your own safety of someone around you or something, please, we can talk about that.
But make fun of me all you want.
I don't give a shit.
This is serious shit we're doing here.
So how about that Patreon?
As long as we're talking about the Grifters here.
That's right, yeah.
Our own version of the grift question.
We're taking so much money from the anti-fascist community for making this podcast.
Give us money!
I'm certainly descended from slaveholders, so I need it.
Give me all your money so I can do it for you and you can just sit and talk shit.
We need to professionalise this movement.
I'm creating a think tank.
You know, Antifa Think Tank.
It's going to be all capital letters with the MASH font.
It's going to be Antifa Think Tank.
Yeah, that's what we're going to do.
Brilliant.
As I say, we're broadcasting from Antifa Central Command in our undersea base.
But we need another undersea base, so send us money.
Exactly.
Seabase 2.
Yeah.
So that was episode 34.
We didn't get to everything we were planning to talk about, but we'll probably do that next week so that Daniel doesn't have to talk about Kevin Macdonald and the culture of critique.
We'll throw it.
It was really just kind of a brief thing, but I'd rather just throw it at the beginning of an episode than the end, honestly.
So yeah, we'll just do that.
And next time the plan is to do Kevin Macdonald and less you know, Trump invades the Netherlands or something.
And then, you know, I guess we'll have to talk about that.
But yeah, next week, Kevin MacDonald, Cultural Critique, and the Jewish Question.
We'll finally get there.
I'll believe it when I see it.
That was I Don't Speak German.
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