In a fun episode, Daniel chats with CV Vitolo-Haddad about CV's recent debate with Eric Striker. Content warnings. The Striker/CV debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAm3qijUWUk&t=5073s Eric Striker dox from the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/05/01/prolific-alt-right-propagandists-identity-confirmed Eric Striker (@AarickStriger) complains about snitches. Which are really just people Striker is frightened of. https://twitter.com/AarickStriger/status/1153503065649176576
Okay, welcome to episode 25 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast in which I speak to mostly my friend Jack Graham and occasionally a guest about the far right and the conversations they have with each other when they think no one's listening, or at least they pretend to think no one's listening, but I'm listening, so that's great.
Anyway, today Jack is not here again, and I do apologize for missing last week.
We were going to do this last week, and then we got kind of busy.
But I am joined once again by an increasingly good friend, Sivi Vitthalohadad.
Sivi, welcome again.
Thank you so much.
Increasingly good is about as good as it gets.
Yeah, no, as long as the first derivative is positive, that's the real key to friendship, right?
You know, that's the thing.
Nerd joke, it's fine.
So anyway, today we are going to, if you've looked at the title, then you will know that we are going to be talking about someone named Eric Stryker.
This is not really an Eric Stryker episode.
This is actually just kind of a little bit of fun that Stevie and I are going to have at Eric Stryker's expense.
Because in the last episode, if you remember the last time C.V.
joined us, they said they do debates.
We kind of had a conversation about what it is to debate far-right dickheads.
And C.V.
then went and had a debate with this guy Eric Stryker.
So, just as a brief primer on Eric Stryker, Stryker is a guy who used to write for the Daily Stormer, then he got disconnected from them.
He's been a long-time member of the Right Stuff.
He does a paywall show called Strike and Mike with Mike Enoch.
He's very in tight with those guys.
He's a self-described, what they call, a wig-nat.
Which is, with apologies for the language here, that's Uyghur nationalist.
There's a complicated etymology there which we're not going to get into.
And he's just a true doofus who is nonetheless considered to be one of the leading intellectualites of the alt-right.
So, C.V., tell me, how did this debate happen, first of all?
Well, actually, I didn't know Stryker self-identified as a Wignatt.
Honestly, my condolences to the Blackpill community because that is the most embarrassing person to ever wield that name.
That's tragic.
So, the debate came about really just a random DM I got from Stryker before he got kicked off of Twitter the most recent time when he was on the Stryker is Nos Bowl handle.
He's back.
He's back, by the way.
He is, I saw.
I saw, and apparently, very diligently, not following me as a follower, but very diligently checking up on me, because I, like, made that, you know, that tweet, and he was like, yeah, I'm blocking everyone, and it's like, I'm sure you are, sweetheart, you know, but it was fun.
I'll include a link to that tweet.
I think there was a moment in which, I think you started it, and you were like, oh, I'm blocked by Eric Stryker, and then obviously I went to go check, and then I was blocked, and then basically everyone who's at all interesting in this space was just immediately blocked by Eric.
It became like, I think, 30 or 40 people all being like, yes, we're all blocked by Eric Stryker.
Um, then of course, you tweeted that, and then he quote tweeted you and said, you know, something like, well of course I don't want the snitches to get me or whatever, and so then I quote tweeted that.
Anyway, there's no need to talk about Twitter exchanges on a podcast, but this is the most online I've ever been.
It's true, although I will say, just for accuracy's sake, I was not ever blocked.
I just, I was like five PBRs in after work, and I was like, look at all my friends got blocked by Eric Stryker, I'm gonna like retweet them and hype up all their profiles, and then he saw and got super upset about it.
So, anyway, enough Twitter drama.
No, it's fine, it's fine.
Twitter drama is kind of, like, that's what this podcast is built on, really, is just highlighting the Twitter drama, and then the Gab drama, the Telegram drama.
or just Cantwell doing bullshit things.
Anyway, so again, just to reiterate the original question, so how did this debate come about exactly?
So Stryker messaged me, and I had, I guess, kind of was aware of who he was vaguely, but didn't really know a lot about it.
So I kind of saw that message, and you know, anytime anyone invites me for a debate, my answer is always yes.
Not because they're ever like necessarily very good debates, but because I do think, you know, along the lines that we talked about last time, it's important for me to be around, to dialogue with people, it's important for my research, it's important for the accuracy of my research, and also just like ethically is important to me.
And so, you know, I always say yes.
And so he gave me his email address.
I sent him an email.
Didn't get back to me.
Followed up like a week later.
I was like, do you still want to do this?
Didn't get back to me.
So then I kind of ignored it.
And then his co-host, whose name I can't remember.
Yeah, his name is Borzoi Boscovich.
He has not been doxxed.
And oh, by the way, I've decided I don't do debates, but I will come on the People's Square and debate if Borzoi doxxes himself.
That's my cost.
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Why have I not been costing people their identities?
This is a tragic mistake that I'm making.
Or at least getting something out of it other than a lot of email and labor.
And I know that they will listen to this because they've been talking, so one of the reasons we're doing this is because they've been talking about that debate a bit and they do mention me from time to time so it's worth, you know, engaging in dialogue through the podcast long form here.
So anyway, so He didn't get back to you, and then finally, Borzoi gets back to you.
Yeah, and I want to come back to that because, like, I make a rule of, like, not reading the comments, not reading the follow-ups after a debate for, like, my own sanity, and so I have so many questions about that.
But yeah, so Borzoi followed up with me, and then was like, I'm gonna get off of Twitter for a while if you want to do this, so he set up a date or whatever, and then was like, I'm gonna get off Twitter.
mental health reasons.
And honestly, that was the trigger to me where I was like, that's an amazing idea.
Get off Twitter for mental health reasons, because I was like pretty far into, you know, my summer job at this point, which is particularly grueling hours for many, many weeks straight.
And, you know, I was like, that's fantastic.
I should get off Twitter for my mental health.
And so I actually also deactivated my Twitter account.
And then I emailed Striker and was like, hey, deactivated my Twitter.
You can reach me here.
Didn't hear back again.
And so then the day of the debate, I was like, all right, I should really check my Twitter and saw that he was like, you know, our guest stood us up.
And so we need someone else.
I had a friend send him a Twitter message.
This is such drama, isn't it?
Right.
Um, But have them send a Twitter message and say, you know, CB's on, you can reach them at this email address.
And so then we got in touch.
So really it was just, you know, they were persistent about it.
I'm always interested in dialogue and discussion.
And so we set it up that way.
Okay, did they say what they wanted to discuss ahead of time, or was it just kind of, I mean, what was the pitch, I guess?
Yeah, so, as I said, Starker just wants you to come on and explain what you believe, and then we'll go from there.
And I was like, great, because I, you know, I have so many feelings, and it's like, I would love to not just, like, basically open up my Twitter drafts, you know, all those tweets I didn't send, I was like, let's get some good ones, you know, CV's hot take hour.
I love that that's how he approached it, based on now I know what happened in that debate.
So from your perspective, so you show up, you kind of hang out, so describe to me what the debate was like for you.
So full disclosure, I guess we should reveal this.
Ahead of the debate, one of the things that you did in preparation was message me.
Because I have listened to quite a few hours of Eric Stryker talk, and it seemed very unclear.
Your description of what was going to happen seemed really unclear to me, which is interesting that they didn't really kind of tell you anything about what was going on.
I kind of intuited it based on, you know, just kind of like what you were asking.
I kind of figured you were going on the People's Square, but you could have gone, you could have been any number of places depending on, you know, who wanted to approach you.
So, uh...
Basically, we had a little chat and you were like, tell me all you know about Eric Stryker.
And I'm like, oh, we can fill a book here.
But anyway, so that was part of the prep ahead of time.
It was so helpful.
You know, I've never gone into any of these that way.
Usually, you know, I really like to do my own homework.
I really like to, like, take time and research, not just from like a I'm gonna beat you and so I need to know what you believe thing but also you know I think it's really important to establish points of common ground not necessarily even with the other person you know whether or not Eric Stryker and I have common ground I think is a separate question but coming around with the audience and get like a kind of sense about what ways this audience is approaching politics or thinking about different issues and so usually I really like to do that but in this case it was just like There was no time.
I was working constantly.
And so yeah, I mean, you were really a lifesaver.
Messaging was just like, who is this?
And what do they believe?
And like, what am I getting myself into here?
Um, so yeah, so, so, uh, and, and I actually, um, I usually don't watch these things live, but I, I did, uh, hang out in the, in the, uh, comment thread for a little while, and, uh, let's just say the, the second my name showed up in the, in the, uh, chat, uh, Borzoi noticed me right off, and was like, oh, of course, this is the one that Harper shows up to, um, which is, you know, uh, so, so it is worth noting that they, they do mention me from time to time,
They like to speculate about my sex life, or lack thereof, as they assume that I have, you know, which is always kind of a fascinating thing.
So yeah, so again, kind of describe the debate.
As you recall, have you watched the debate since you did it, or have you had no kind of re-experience other than just being there?
No, you could not pay me to watch any of the debates I've ever been in.
I know that I'm not talented.
I was not talented when I was a high school debater.
I'm not talented now, you know what I mean?
But I'm okay with that.
I think you don't have to be an excellent debater if you come in with good intentions and carrying honest arguments and a desire to have a conversation about important things with the idea that you can move towards a resolution.
I think that those are all important, but yeah, you could not make me watch that thing.
So I rewatched maybe like an hour and 20 minutes of it today Just just to let the audience know the full video is four hours and 40 minutes long or something to that effect Of which so CV had to drop out and then kind of came back like like 20 minutes later And then they did so so I think about four hours of that or three hours and 45 minutes are actually Stryker and CV
Debating, I put that in heavy quotes, which basically amounts to Eric Stryker doing everything he can to smear CV and everyone who might think that trans people are okay with pedophilia!
So if you want to listen to that for four and a half hours, there's a link in the show notes, I promise you!
But yeah, that was kind of my impression of Stryker's modus operandi there, to the degree that he had one.
It's also noteworthy, he admits that he did maybe ten seconds of research on you before You showed up to chat with him, which, yeah, I think he said, oh yeah, I checked your Twitter feed, and the thing he knew about you was like, oh, they're possibly trans, they're queer, and they, like, I mean, he just kind of, it was a very, like, cursory thing, and you definitely get that.
Because he's literally putting words in your mouth that he keeps trying to put you in a box.
He's like, oh, so you're wobbly then.
Or, oh, so, so, so, you're, so, so, do you believe in white privilege?
Do you believe in the white privilege theory, which all you people in academia always do all the time?
Don't tell me you never had a sociology class.
I mean, it's just this constant, like, assault of CVE with, like, complete non sequitur bullshit, honestly.
It was wild and and you know you mentioned that like I leave for a second I come back and you know I told them I was like look I have one hour my partner is in town it is very important to me and to them that we spend time together you know like I you know like I said I do believe very much in the mission of of dialogue and so I was like I will give you an hour of my time but it can't go past that and so an hour hit and I like log off but again see this is the problem with with
the summer job is that I buy a case of PBR and I put it in the fridge and then I have to drink it before my job ends and so again with the freaking PBRs um you know so I'm like okay hour's over log off and then I was like you know what I got something else to say I was like wait one second one second an hour later I'm like
I'm so sorry I'm so sorry you know and it was because it was just like like you said it was like I got on and I'm like oh I have so many good things I want to talk about you know like I want to talk about wage theft I want to talk about landlords I want to talk about you know the way like colonized relationships within the United States and the way that wealth flows from certain geographical regions to others you know and I'm like I'm so ready to talk about all this stuff and instead it was just like so are you trans and that was just like Yeah.
And he's like, so what are you some kind of grad student who studies Nazis?
And I was like, I don't know, like never ask any PhD student what they study.
We will battle on like idiots because none of us have any idea, right?
Like that's the thing is I'm like, uh, I mean, sure.
And then he was like, so you're some kind of genderless transsexual faggot?
And I'm just like, yep.
Yeah, one of the first things you did was kind of what, I mean, kind of an interesting just rhetorical move, I thought, which was, I think, meant to, and I don't want to put words in your mouth here, but meant to sort of put them at ease by, you know, kind of not, you know, he asked like, you know, what are you, how can I describe you, that sort of thing, and you were just kind of like, yeah, yeah, you call me what you want, you know, like, like, you know,
And to me that struck me as just you trying to put them at ease and trying to say I'm not going to be like a liberal hectoring you know person trying to like police your language or whatever.
And he just couldn't get off of that.
Like I think at one point he said well do you consider yourself human?
And your answer was, well, I mean, I guess I'm human, whatever, but, you know, it seems like almost like a joking kind of jocular tone you were taking.
And, you know, like, can you can you I mean, and the fact that this is literally like 30 seconds into this debate should tell you exactly how far off field this goes.
Can you tell me kind of what's what's going on there with that, you know, response?
Well, you know, he starts out and he's like, So don't you think that transgenderism is some kind of bourgeois politics for the urban upper class?
And I was just like, mm, I mean, you know, no, I don't.
But that's, you know, we can talk about that.
We can talk about what kind of politics interact with trans people, what they're advocating for, and who that benefits.
You know, like, I think that those are good, important conversations to have.
And then he's just like, you know, so you're a transsexual, you're a this, you're a that.
And it was just like, dude, Your argument right like the thing that striker opens with is Transsexualism is a bourgeois upper-class politics now.
I'm about to grill you on your exact identity I want you to put yourself into these particular trans boxes and I want you to do it using the language Of the left the language that I say is a massive political distraction so that this way I can weaponize it against you and it's like I But if that language is bourgeois inaccessible, and if your audience believes that because you've been telling them that, then like, why in the world would I deliberately attempt to portray myself as like, occluded, like, you know, out of touch?
You know, why in God's name would I ever identify in that way?
You know, and the reaction The reality is I really don't care, right?
That for me, the best thing I can do is, to the extent that it is true that it requires a certain level of education to, like, really wrap your head around transness, which I don't think is true.
I think that we can have, you know, really visceral, embodied understandings of transness without the language and without the rhetoric, which many trans people do have before they find, you know, scholarship or whatever it is that leads them to identifying in a particular way.
To the extent that all of that is true, the concession that I have always made is that I sort of shrug it off, and I am happy for you to call me however you want to call me.
You know, call me what I appear to be to you, and maybe you'll find out more about me, right?
Like, maybe you will find out I am trans down the line when that comes up naturally, organically in conversations, because my pronouns, my name, right?
Like, all of that are part of who I am that I don't really feel the need for random strangers to understand, right?
Like, I don't really need random strangers to understand that I am trans or to understand that I am queer.
And sometimes inevitably they do, and that has consequences, social consequences, and that's very real.
But do I need it for my own sanity?
No.
My way of coping with the anti-queer way that the world is structured is to just shrug my shoulders and say, I don't really, so much of my identity as a trans person, as a queer person, is about just feeling uncomfortability with the categories generally That the idea I would find something new and then identify myself really strongly with it is just not what I've ever really been about, you know?
And so, you know, I was just, like, shrugging it off.
Like, you're right, Striker.
It's all dumb.
I don't really care right now, right?
Like, that's not what I want to talk about.
I want to get into real issues, not Like, every single right-wing podcast I go on, where it's like, we're gonna talk about race and genes.
First question, are you some kind of tranny?
And it's like, oh my god, every time, right?
Well, it's never like, are you?
But like, justify yourself for being one.
It's like, look, you don't have to believe it's real.
I don't really give a fuck.
So it strikes me that, you know, the whole point that you're trying to do is to basically just kind of put these guys at ease and to go in and to have like a real conversation, which Starker claims that's really what he wants out of these is to have like, can't we have a real conversation?
I mean, the whole goal of the movement of TRS to, I mean, the admitted goal of like Mike Enoch is to make White nationalism, a thing that people can be, is to put that idea just into the public space to where it's debated.
And so there is a degree to which, like, debating Eric Stryker is kind of giving them what they want, although there is a sort of, like, I'm not making that argument necessarily, because there's a difference between, like, going on one of their shows versus kind of platforming them yourself and it's, you know, sort of mainstreaming it.
And plus, you absolutely crushed Eric Stryker, so there's no, like, Question about that?
Even the commenters knew you were crushing Erik Stryker, so we can get into that shortly.
But, I mean, it does strike me that, like, the fact that he wanted to put you in a box and the fact that you wouldn't allow yourself to be put in that box immediately flusters him, and so his next move, and literally he does this by nine minutes in this four and a half hour video, And I checked it this afternoon, so I found it.
Like, the first mention of pedophilia is literally nine minutes in, and he does the thing, and I know that it was Pride Month, so this was recorded at the end of June, and they were all on this, like, LGBTQP, LMLP thing, you know, they're all like this garbage, you know, kind of misappropriation of, like, the pride issues and all that sort of thing.
But he immediately goes to, so he's just gonna smear you as a pedophile for like the rest of the video, which is, it's just infuriating to me that he just was not willing to get past it and wasn't even willing to really let you answer questions and he kept kind of talking over you continually for like the next, like for the rest of the video, like it did, it did seem like, I mean, talk to me about like that process for you, like what was going through your head and what was your kind of response to that?
Well, it's like I felt like I was being very merciful and largely merciful because I know the audience doesn't care about any of this, right?
Like, I mean, you know, they obviously do care about these like trans pedophilia claims, but most of them, I do think, believe what Stryker believes, which is that all of these intersectional concerns that happen at the margins, right?
Like those are not our concerns and they are a distraction from our movement.
I think part of why I like talking to folks on the right is to make them understand that that is not true, that these struggles are connected, and that lifting everyone up is the only way out, and if you don't want to do that, and you wanted to come to a war, that TBH, I think that's going to end poorly for them, but that's fine.
You know, and so for an audience that I know doesn't really care about the fact that I'm trans, right?
Like, unless they mean it in the sense that they care about it and that they think I should die, which, you know, fair enough.
But most of them don't really care about this shit, and they wish it would all go away.
So I, too, wish it will go away.
You know, it's like, in this conversation, this is not my priority.
This is not the thing that I'm trying to talk about.
You invited me to talk about my beliefs.
I'm happy to do that, but like, I don't really care about any of this.
I don't really care about your opinion of trans people.
I don't really care that you want to call me it.
I don't really care that you want to make a joke about how I should now refer to you as she, which I'm happy to do.
I just think you're gonna get mad about it.
I'm not gonna get mad about it.
I certainly don't care.
But you know, so I think all of those things was just like, can we just talk about real shit though?
And it was like, no, I have a better idea.
What if I called you a pedophile?
And it's like, bruh, do you have any idea how many background checks I've had to pass in my lifetime, right?
Like, incorrect, right?
Like, go get on whatever weird computer and look it up for yourself, you know?
Like, nope, that ain't it.
And I don't really have concerns about it, I'm not worried about it.
And so then it's like, okay, so not you, but what about all of the other trans people And it's like, mmm, no.
Also no.
That's a strong no.
And then he has a list of people who were active in the sexual revolution in the 20th century.
He's got this list of names, and it's like, yeah, that guy was a kid fucker too.
He wanted to fuck kids.
That's the thing.
And then, don't you feel like you have to own that?
Because I've seen who you are, and I've taken it back to the beginning, all the way back to 1920, motherfucker.
I know where you're coming from.
It's all, and then of course he doesn't say that out loud, at least I don't think of that, but it's always like, oh it's the Jews doing this.
That's clearly something that Eric Stryker absolutely believes.
He is a horrifying anti-Semite, even by the standards of horrifying anti-Semites.
He didn't say it.
He was like, he did say something about the Jews, and then I told him he was a conspiracy theorist and he fucking lost it.
This is something that TRS has been pushing more and more is this idea that white privilege, that's the conspiracy theory.
The real thing is the Jews controlling the world.
We have the data on that.
Look at all the Jewish heads of media companies.
Look at all these Jewish people who are in charge of all the things.
And look at how the US foreign policy is ultimately controlled by Israel.
It's all the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
But white privilege, now that's a conspiracy theory.
Just for the sake of, in case, when Eric Stryker listens to this, would you please describe to him what you were trying to say to him at that debate about that topic?
About the JQ, you mean?
Well, just about the idea that, like, white privilege—oh, I know that you and I would both kind of have issues with, like, the white privilege narrative and sort of the way that that's framed, etc.
But I mean, you know, basically the idea that white privilege is a conspiracy theory, but the JQ is totally real, dude.
Well, I mean, the thing about...
The JQ that I sort of like pointed out to him because he's you know his whole thing was like oh yeah well then why is the United States so close to Israel if the United States isn't controlled by Jews and it's like I don't understand how you think that the reason the U.S.
has a relationship with Israel is because they're Jewish and not because they're fucking European you dumb Some shit, right?
Like, what is wrong with you?
This is a bunch of exiled Europeans in the Middle East.
It is like a geopolitical stronghold for the US, not because there's some, like, bastion of democracy, but because we have, like, strong military strategic interests around oil in the region, and that Israel, obviously, like, why do you think we fund their military?
Like, why are you so dumb?
And so that was all very unfortunate, you know, and then, and then he got really mad, because I started walking through the, like, you know, The Jewish conspiracy theories actually started in this century, and here's how they evolved.
And then they went out of style, because everyone's like, that's dumb.
And then they came back as these, like, giant non-falsifiable things about how they controlled the world with their secret puppet hands.
Which, I've never understood how white people are the master race because they built everything, but Jews control everything.
Because it sounds like Jews built everything, and that's why they control it, and they're the master race.
But they don't like when you point that out about their own logic.
No, no, it's the Jews.
They're subverting from the inside.
You see, Jews are, this is, they will tell you this in so many words if, you know, not that you haven't engaged with this at all, but, like, this is literally what they say.
That the Jews are a parasitic race on the white race.
The white race builds things, and the Jews come in and they just, like, suck all the life force out of, like, seeding civilizations.
Isn't that what they did to North America?
No, no, no.
There was no civilization here.
No, there was no civilization here until white men, specifically, brought in civilization.
And certainly it was not actually built by the African slaves.
It was built by white men because they were the overseers who were doing all the actual brain work.
And then just using the quote-unquote farm equipment, too.
So there's always a justification for why white men, you know, are both ultimately the greatest, the pinnacle of God's creation or nature's creation, but also set upon by all these outside forces that seem to be overwhelming.
Yeah, no, it's central to the belief.
By the way, next week we're going to be doing Kevin McDonald, so I'm going to talk a lot more about Jews next week.
It's going to be fine.
I just, I have just so many very specific feelings about, like, what does it mean to be a parasite, right?
Like, I have so many questions about the nature of, like, the supposed parasitic relationship, and why is it not much more applicable to describe parasites as things like, you know, white housing developers who, and they were almost exclusively white, who created parasitic subprime mortgages on black people, right?
Like, that was a direct transfer of wealth in the last four years.
No, no, that's the Jewish banking industry.
No, you don't understand.
Oh my god.
It's, like, mind-numbing how, like, look, there's three Jews out of, like, 10,000 people in this industry.
They must control it.
It's like, why are you all like this?
Who made you like this?
Because it actually was not the Jews.
Well, I mean, it's the bankers, and they'll say, well, Jewish people are, like, you know, vastly over... 2% of the population does, you know, 50% of the financial crime in this so it's it's all a Jewish system so even if even if white men quote-unquote Gentile men are Doing horrible financial crimes against white populations because I don't care what they do the african-american or hispanic community Let's be honest.
They only care what happens to the white community so in Even if it is a white man who's actually signing that loan, it's all built in a system built by the Jews in order to oppress white men.
And that ultimately goes back to the Federal Reserve in 1913 and all, you know.
So there's a long, long history of this.
You know, slavery was actually a Jewish thing.
Like, it turns out that, like, there's a disproportionate number of the ships that brought the slaves over to the Americas were owned by Jews, and therefore the Jews controlled the slave trade.
I just don't understand.
So the subversion happened at the beginning of America and yet Jews were not the ones who actually built America, it was somehow still white people even though apparently from the moment of the slave ships they've been controlling everything?
Exactly.
They've been trying to subvert the natural force of white people building real civilizations.
They've been trying to subvert that force for all of history.
Some of them even go back to say that Christianity itself was a system built to, like, subvert, you know, white men.
The Jews killed Jesus to subvert white men to create Christianity.
The Jews created Christianity and then built a system that was ultimately going to create the slave morality among those who have pretend to read Nietzsche.
That is going to, you know, Yeah, sorry, we're doing kind of a Jewish question episode here, but like I just like they talk about this so much It's it's it's just it's built into this worldview.
And so whenever they whenever you get like these kind of like quote-unquote pseudo intellectual Antisemites this is this is basically what they're gonna tell you it's gonna be some version of this They all believe it in this like in the alt-right.
They all believe this like almost to a person I'm just, like, I'm imagining Stryker, like, opening his fridge and, like, opening that little crisper drawer, you know, the one that you get to set the humidity just right, and it, like, it's slid over, it's all the way humid, and he, like, rips it open, and there's, like, all this fruit in there that's just spoiled and rotten, and he's just like, the juice!
You know, like, that's what I'm imagining in my head.
Like, they came in the night, and they adjusted his crisper to, like, be a little bit too humid.
That would presume that Eric Stryker eats fruit and vegetables, which, you know, seems fairly unlikely if you have listened to Stryker talk at all.
You're right.
He does seem like the kind of person who subsists on maybe, like, well, I don't know, we don't want to have a lawsuit on our hands, so we'll just say a lot of mildew.
I would say, you know, like cheeseburgers and Cheetos is kind of what I imagine his, you know, diet to be.
Although I don't know that for sure, so we'll kind of leave it there.
Anyway... TFW, no Nazbol girlfriend to cook you dinner.
I love, just talking about girlfriends and such, he really likes to pretend he's this big cock master as well.
He's very much so.
He had Roosh V on the People's Square a little while back.
Roosh V, for those who may not know, is kind of the classic pick-up artist guy, kind of back in the Manosphere days, who literally once wrote a piece advocating that rape be legalized on public property.
One of the People Square!
Don't worry, we're going to talk about that down the line!
There's going to be a whole episode!
This isn't even the Eric Stryker episode!
Believe me, we're going to talk about the People's Square a lot more, because it's amazing.
I know these dudes are like, why does no one want us to be in public?
Why does no one want us to speak about it?
It's like, well, because you're going to fucking rape people, that's why.
You just said that.
They're like, we should be able to rape people in public.
And it's like, maybe you shouldn't go in public, man.
It's like, how dare you?
No, it's trans people.
It's trans people who are the real degenerates, not the people advocating for rape on public property.
One of the things that got to me, you know, just kind of re-listening to it this afternoon, was, uh, he starts talking about, like, disease rates and, like, STD rates among, you know, like, that gay people are extra icky because, and this is a very common talking point, this is something you hear over and over and over again, um, which, A, even if, I mean, even if there was something inherent to, like, gay sex that gave you higher rates of STDs, that still doesn't mean it's, like, evil.
In the same way that, like, you have more diseases and you get a cold more often going around, like, in public.
Therefore, going out in public is inherently immoral.
Like, a disease vector is not, like, a moral code unless you believe that morality is ultimately built.
This is kind of the epistemological basis of National Socialism to some degree.
But they bring this topic up over and over again and they keep talking about STD rates, which is kind of amazing to me.
Then he starts to talk about bathhouses.
You had something really interesting to say about this bathhouse issue.
At some point, Eric Stryker gets so frustrated with not being able to even begin to understand the argument that you're making.
That Borzoi has to, like, step in.
Because Borzoi is actually much smarter than Eric Stryker, let's just be honest about that.
And he was actually sort of following along with what you were saying, and I think you and he could have had a much more interesting and lightening conversation, even though he's still totally fucking a Nazi.
We could definitely have a more interesting conversation with Borzoi than Eric Stryker.
Um, he comes in and tries to, like, kind of talk about, like, the AIDS crisis and the bathhouses and, like, you know, why is it that gay men who knew that, like, bathhouses were places where diseases were a breeding ground in the 80s, why is it that gay men then suddenly didn't want to have those places closed if they were this kind of culture of death?
And we'll get back to culture of death, don't worry, but that was his question.
I think you had a really good answer to that.
I mean, again, assuming they're going to listen to this, I would like for you to give that answer in full now.
Yeah, for sure.
And before I do, just on your kind of point that's like, just because a certain act makes you more likely to contract something, whatever, doesn't mean it's inherently immoral.
Heterosexual men do understand this because if you tell them like, okay, so like having sex without a condom, you're more likely to get an STD than sex without a condom.
So you should always wear a condom.
Right.
And it's like, uh, no, right.
Like no heterosexual man.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, right.
So you clearly don't think that it is about morality when it comes to the kind of sex that makes it.
Yes.
More likely that you might contract something.
Right.
Clearly.
Clearly the idea is you should have safe sex practices, people should have access to health care, right?
Like, all of those things that would obviously help bring the rates of STDs down instead of, like, leaving people out to dry governmentally, socially, etc.
But men totally understand that when it comes to condom usage, so I just don't understand how they all of the sudden get all weird about it when it comes to anal sex.
But, you know, a lot about straight culture makes no sense to me.
We can talk about Eric Stryker and his anal sex obsession as well, we can get into that.
So the bathhouse issue, go ahead and just kind of, not to put you on the spot there, I don't know if you remember exactly kind of where that went, but...
Yeah, so I remember him saying, you know, there were all of these bathhouses, and everyone knew that those bathhouses were, you know, places where a lot of people contracted HIV, and then even once they knew that, they didn't want them shut down.
You know, and this is the thing about, I don't like white privilege discourse, I don't find it often very helpful, but I do think that there's something to where the theory comes from.
This idea that someone like Stryker has never really thought about that question.
I mean, Stryker thinks that people like us shouldn't exist in society, that we shouldn't really be allowed in public, we shouldn't be able to hold jobs with any success, which means that we shouldn't live in places that are clean, taken care of, funded.
And so where do people like me go?
And the idea that Stryker's never really had to think, despite thinking that this nation is somehow lost to the minorities and white people are this persecuted minority, that he's never really had to ask, where will I go to commune with people who are like me?
I imagine Eric Stryker has a very easy time commuting with people who may not be ideologically like him, but I'm sure he goes to the grocery store, and it's not an issue.
I'm sure he goes to, I mean, I don't know that he goes to nightclubs.
I can't imagine Eric Stryker at a nightclub, right?
But, you know, goes to restaurants, does all these things.
He claims to be, he claims to get his dick wet pretty regularly, so I can only imagine that's where he's going is to nightclubs, you know.
I mean, and good on him, you know, for doing that, but, you know, and it kind of really just points out, like, dude, you've really never thought that when you're Ostracized and literally sent to the margins of society that the only places you may have available to you may be lethal, right?
Like, may be unsafe, but so is everywhere else.
And so the idea that you would close a place of community, a place of safety, because it wasn't as safe as what heterosexual people have had access to, what straight people have had access to, what white people have had access to, you know, it just shows how little you understand about How people who live their lives in precarity and in a state of vulnerability, right?
Like, what relative safety looks like?
So of course people didn't want bathhouses shut down.
It was one of the few places where people, you know, could live.
And this is one of those things that, like, it takes 10 seconds of thought and research to learn this.
This is not- this- this- this is something I keep coming back to over and over again as I kind of, like, follow these guys and try to like so much of this stuff really it's not that's not a complicated thought that's something of like asking one person who might be in that community like an honest question and if he was actually interested in like an honest debate an honest conversation Which again, he claims over and over and over again.
I was just after an honest conversation and CV came in here with her with their like crazy academic talk and just like talking over me and like doing this pill pull.
You know, use that term over and over again.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the with the term in this space.
I had to Google it actually, because I had never heard it anymore.
And then once I Googled it, I was just like, I mean, you know, like, I make it a habit to not correct people about my identity, but I was just like, are you dumb?
Have you seen my last name?
Right?
Like, any part of... All right, dude, go for it.
Yeah, they use... Pilpol is, if I remember correctly, it's the sort of the Jewish kind of interpretation of laws, and it gets in kind of historical and probably even current... I'm no scholar of Judaism, I apologize, but...
You know, it becomes a term that they use as a way of saying, like, oh, you're just using Jewish mind control tricks to talk around the real issue and not, you know, answering the question directly.
And then they'll use that or they'll use, you know, Talmudic reasoning is another thing that they'll say.
I mean, it's another part of, like, the whole, like, way that you and I think is just, like, infested by these evil Jews, these evil Jewish parasite brains, worms in our heads, and that's how we just argue by nature.
Classic, classic Jewish mindworms.
Oh my god.
So yeah, the other thing, culture of death is something that they kind of keep bringing up over and over again in this conversation.
It's like, don't you see that homosexuality is this culture of death?
Don't you see that this is this thing that's ultimately fundamentally destructive to nature and to the way of life of white men, etc, etc?
And you know, my answer to that is if you want to talk about a culture of death, let's talk about like Clearing the West.
Let's talk about the genocide of the Native Americans that built this world.
I mean, I like my air-conditioned house and my home and all this sort of thing, but I have to acknowledge that it was built on genocide.
And if that's not a culture of death, what is, ultimately?
Yeah, you know, and I do think, you know, there are a lot of scholars who do in queer theory, which which is not my field, and I apologize to any queer theorists who may be listening for bastardizing this, you know, but there is a field of
Scholarship that talks about queerness as death, right, like as an object of death, and it very much is because of people like Eric Stryker who view any queerness as a threat, any queerness as some kind of degradation, you know, and who endorse not just killing, but overkilling, is the way you often hear it talked about, where overkill is not just trying to kill the body, but like kill the spirit and cast it out of history.
And I feel like that's very much where people like Eric are coming from, where it's just like, we want you so dead that we never have to remember you ever existed.
And it's like, you don't understand that queer people are not a product of whatever creepy pedophile method of reproduction they have come up with.
They spend a lot of time theorizing pedophilia for people who appear to oppose it on face value.
They spend a lot of time thinking about how pedophilia may work, like the intricacies of it in ways that Honestly are a little horrifying, but I'm gonna let that go for a second Well, and I mean just just just to kind of highlight the pedophilia thing I mean, you know like 8chan where these guys congregate is also full of fucking child pornography Yeah, you know the these communities like like to
To pretend that, like, look, there are terrible people of, like, various political persuasions who have, like, wanted to fuck kids or who have fucked kids.
There's no question about that.
To pretend that that's, like, absent from white nationalism, when, like, the places they congregate are absolutely filled with that and prominent people and that, like, ideological lineage have been, you know, involved in production and, you know, spreading of child pornography, is- it's- it's completely ludicrous.
It's- it's just- it's just absurd.
It really is, and I think it, you know, to the extent that you can find something tragic about it, it is tragic because I have, I have a white friend.
I have many white friends, in fact.
I hate to be the person who starts off a sentence like that, but alas.
You know, and several of them, you know, I think traumatized people love to hang out together.
It's like we have our little trauma community and they totally hate it and think it's horrific, but whatever.
Blow me.
And, you know, so like traumatized people spontaneously congregate because we're all the same kind of fucked and weird, you know, and so we have our weird idiosyncrasies and all get along very well.
But most of them, you know, had some kind of sexual assault or molestation happen to them.
For several of them, it was under the age of 18.
For some of them, even, you know, much younger than that.
And all of them were by white men because it tends to be that abuse happens within your own community.
And because the United States still has communities that are so deeply segregated on the basis of so-called race, that tends to mean that, you know, white children are being molested by white adults.
And they just think that there is a kind of person that if they systematically eliminate one kind of person after another, that eventually they will get to the point where only the good people remain.
And not the good people in the sense that they have cultivated a culture of understanding, a culture of, you know, mutual respect for children, for people, for women, right?
Like not for any of the reasons that might actually result in a less violent, less abusive culture, but because they think that then no one else will be born who will become bad.
You know, if they can just get the right genetic makeup of people, that all of the people who will be born from that point forward will be good people.
And that's just not how it works.
You know, that's just not how abusive people are made.
And, you know, it's kind of sad.
Mike Ianuck has been very open in several places in his podcast about how he believes that gay people should just be bred out of existence.
That when the white nationalists take power, there should just be an educational research program that determines why homosexuality is created, and it should just be eliminated through essentially eugenic or genetic or whatever practice.
Homosexuality is bad and that it should not be part of the human condition in the white ethnostate.
This is an explicit belief that Mike Enoch would express to you if he were here right now.
I bring him up because he is closely connected.
Borzoi is also like an old school TRS guy from way back.
So even though Enoch was not on this show, I feel like it's worth mentioning.
This is all part of the same community.
These guys are close buddies.
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, I mean, it's just so short-sighted to think that gay people are the product of a gay gene and not that intimacy and affect are materially structured, and we know this, and they know this, right?
Like, they love to trot out all of the genetic evidence and all of the psychological evidence that shows that, you know, human brains can be rewired by certain things in our environment.
And that one of the ways that our brains are very powerfully wired is around these ideas of intimacy and emotional nourishment and physical nourishment.
And those structures depend on, you know, people's needs in reality.
And that queer people are not a gene or a genotype.
They are, if anything, a reaction to a very repressive environment where intimacy is difficult to come by, where intimacy is shaped by different kinds of, you know, just like different kinds of community structures, all those things.
You will never breed queer people out of existence.
People's need for intimacy will always surpass whatever genetic programming you think that you can create for people.
You know, there will always be people who find ways to get their needs met outside of heterosexuality.
There always have been.
There always will be.
Well, and it's, it strikes me as something that comes from this place of believing that like fundamentally trans people and gay people or queer people wise.
Sorry, I've used the word gay.
But, you know, I'm trying to, you know, kind of keep it casual here that these kinds of people just don't exist.
That this isn't something that's really real.
It's something that's been, again, programmed by the Jews or whatever.
And Stryker kind of brings it up as like, oh, this is a boutique neoliberal interest, which we'll get to that in a second.
But...
You know, it comes from this idea that fundamentally there's no such thing as a natural gay person.
There's no such thing as a natural trans person.
And that if we lack this causative agent in the society, then suddenly these people that I find icky just won't exist anymore.
And that just can't...
That just can't be further from the truth.
It's just fundamentally wrong, as we know, if we study the Greeks, for instance, as Stryker decided to try to talk over you again on that issue.
Have you read Politic Symposium?
No, this was not an acceptable thing for a gay man to be together.
It's wild that he's like, these are revisionist historians.
It's like, but like which one?
Like Socrates was a revisionist historian of ancient Greek culture?
Let me rephrase Stryker for you.
What he means is Jews.
That's what he means.
Revisionist historians means Jews slash cultural Marxists.
That's that's ultimately what he's trying to say is that for 2,000 years of history no one like believed that there were gay people in ancient Greece until the Jews got a hold of those texts and did a little reinterpreting if you know what I mean and put a disco ball up top or something and that's basically what Eric Stryker believes about the ancient Greeks.
Well I would encourage Eric Stryker and my whole audience, whoever happens to be listening, I mean there are not very many of these weird esoteric European things that I recommend.
So I'm not saying this is a recommendation, but you should look at the Man-to-Man Alliance.
Man to the number two man alliance.
It's a very remarkably thorough website on the virtues of penis-to-penis contact as a staple of Western male intimacy, dating back to the Greeks and Romans.
It is really a fantastic site.
Just, I encourage you to check it out.
Yeah, that might be... There's a whole lot of stuff in my Google history that probably shouldn't be, as I'm sure you can identify with, but that might be one that I'm gonna just skip for now, but... Yeah, no, one of the... Again, just another... The idea that, like, trans issues are this boutique issue, and that, like, ultimately, what we should care about is the working class, and of course,
I don't think Eric Stryker could define working class if you put a gun to his head and forced him to, you know?
White people, I think, is what he means by the working class, including but not limited to the ones on the Fortune 500 list.
I mean and ultimately what he's what he's referring to more than anything is like like he has this like image of like a White man in a hard hat going to a factory and that's the working class right you know And not like you know the question I would ask him if I were if he were sitting here right now And then you know again I assume he's going to listen to this and I and I hope he responds like honestly nothing would make me happier than if Eric Stryker were to actually respond to some of these criticisms on his show I mean He can make fun of my sex life all he wants or what he thinks my sex life is.
He has no idea what my sex life is like.
But I would be much happier if he would actually respond to some of these criticisms because I would absolutely take that seriously if he chose to.
We are going to do a full episode on these guys coming down.
For the record, if we actually had a debate.
Yeah, no, it would be great.
It would be great.
No, I would love to have seen that, honestly.
I think it would be really interesting.
I emailed Borzai, too, all pissed off.
I was still, you know, still like in a, you know, like fighting PBR mood as Wisconsinites are known to be.
You know, but emailed him afterwards and was like, well, that was trash.
But if you ever want to talk, you know, just know that that would probably be way more interesting.
Oh, yeah.
No, definitely.
I mean, again, even the people in the chat were going, yeah, Boris Lloyd should just take over this conversation.
It was very clear that Eric Stryker had no ability to do this at all.
And I was trying so hard to not throw questions back at him, because I just wanted to talk about shit that I wanted to talk about in that moment and not get up on the 50th iteration of, like, but don't you love HIV and touching children?
And it's like, oh my god.
Like, I didn't know there were so many different ways you could ask that question, but Stryker seems to have sat and thought of all of the different approaches, the many different ways.
I mean, you have to imagine that Stryker has just done extensive research into the history of pedophilia, that he just is drawn to the, like, curia, you know?
And it's just like, at some point, dude, you start questioning stuff.
I mean, that's like the whole thing with the JQ, right?
Is it's like, look, we're just asking questions, then all of a sudden you're a fucking full-fledged National Socialist Full-Fledged 1488, you know and striker is has this same approach to pedophilia where it's like look, man I'm just asking questions about pedophilia and it's like striker the clock is ticking until we have to read a news article That's just like oops saw that one coming and it will not be the first one about the art, right?
It will not be the last one about the all right, not at all being a fucking pedophile right because evil Bad people look for ways to justify their bad things that they do and they will find those justifications anywhere because there is no real justification for those things, right?
There is no justification for abuse and for coercion and all of the the terrible fucked up things that humans do to each other and the environment.
There's no justification for those and so they go searching for them and they'll find whatever and so I'm sure that someday when I have to read that article about Stryker, if that day should ever come, just know we said it here first.
I mean, just to complete my thought about the working class thing, it does strike me that why a white guy wearing a hard hat to go work in a machine shop is the working class, but a person from Central America picking fruit for five cents an hour in effective slave conditions is not a member of the exploited working class.
That's the question I'd really love to hear him answer.
I would really love to get an actual answer to that question.
Why is one part of the working class and the other is not?
That's my fundamental question, which I would love to hear Stryker answer that, anyway.
I'm fascinated.
Yeah, I also would like to hear that answer.
I mean, I imagine it's just something like, we get to close our borders and decide what working class means and fuck you, but that's not a very telling answer.
You know, I don't understand why the working class is defined by like a, not a relationship to labor, but like a relationship to citizenship.
That doesn't, to me, make any sense.
Well, he pretends to this certain, and Borzoi's better on this, I'll be honest with you.
I mean, Borzoi, you know, I, believe me, he's a Nazi.
I do not agree with Borzoi.
But Borzoi is at least better on this issue, like he can be a little bit more kind of thoughtful and erudite on it.
But Stryker literally seems to be someone who believes that like somewhere written in the pages of Capital is the words no butt stuff in like Sharpie.
That's kind of my vision of sort of the way that Stryker's politics are formed.
Like, why can't I have that?
And no brown people, noicky people either.
But no butt stuff seems to be like this.
He even comes up over and over again in that debate, quote unquote debate.
He says, you know, yeah, you just want the freedom to stick your penis in another man's butt.
Like that's just like, who wants that?
Like why can't I have that?
Why is that not my right?
And on the, just on the, you know, they say like that's a boutique issue.
That's a bourgeois issue or whatever.
And so, okay, let's pretend for a second, you know, let's just, let's just go off into this fantasy land.
How is not having the choice of who you want to spend your life with not an issue that is relevant to everyone?
Like, how is that not a valid thing?
And what's the alternative here?
The police or the state, right?
Like some kind of authoritarian entity polices how people are having sex?
Have you thought about the mechanisms of enforcement for that and surveillance for that?
And who the fuck wants that, right?
Like, the idea that it is somehow less bourgeois to say that the state ought to surveil people's bedrooms to ensure that they are having proper kinds of sex That that's, like, not an out-of-touch, upper-class idea to, like, have Amazon, you know, to, like, have Alexa, like, monitor people's sex and to, like, determine if it is heterosexual or not.
That's not an upper-class idea, but the idea that people should be left the fuck alone to be intimate in the ways that they desire so long as they are not abusive, that that's somehow, like, Very very urban or suburban or whatever, right?
No, and I think that the the answer that he would get again I'm just gonna give you the answers I think he would give you if he was ever going to have this real conversation He would say something to the effect of it should be enforced by community So essentially no, no, it shouldn't be like the police state.
It should just be lynch mobs.
That's that's really the ultimate answer.
That's But they're constantly complaining about lynch mobs.
Every time someone on Twitter harasses them, it's like, it's a lynch mob.
It's like, this is not what a lynch mob is.
You should know that because you want lynch mobs, you know?
It should be against the icky people and not against the genocidal racists.
That's the key, you know?
Trans people, more evil than genocidal races.
Yeah.
I guess the thing that I wonder, Stryker has to... Actually, I take it back before I even say it.
Stryker does not have to have the presence of mind to realize this.
I actually do not think that he does now that I'm hearing myself say it out loud.
But despite Stryker lacking the foresight of attempting to imagine a world in which this happens, there was a much greater disproportionate wealth and firepower between black and white communities in the past, between straight and queer communities, Oh, not if there are no Jews.
It's the Jews that created it.
that it didn't work out then because people put up too much of a fight.
Like, Stryker must somewhere know that people will fight this.
And it's just, I always wonder...
Not if there are no Jews.
It's the Jews that created it.
That's the...
Good Lord.
But, you know, even that, you know, like, the thing about Germany is that at some point, the United States will step in.
Not very much faith in the United States or the West generally.
Like, I don't trust these states with much.
The same way I don't trust any state with much.
But, you know, at some point, you can have South Africa, but at some point you get slapped with so many sanctions and so many militant groups that your civilization will collapse.
And I just, like, constantly find myself wondering with so many of these, in my opinion, grifty, shady types like Stryker who are creating this I mean, some of them are right.
It is a de-radicalizing community in a lot of ways about the way that things could happen.
But like, how many white men are you willing to see die for this dumb shit you believe in?
You know?
And that's the thing, is it's like, you say you care about the white working class, those are gonna be the people on the front line.
This is what happened in the Civil War, right?
And we're gonna see it happen again.
The Civil War was a race war, and we're gonna have another one.
It's gonna go down largely the same way.
Which is that white people are gonna kill other white people because even these fucking white people don't want your white ass, right?
Like, nobody wants you, uh, because you act like an asshole.
And it's just like, how many white people are you willing to see killed ostensibly for the white race for a future that is most certainly not going to happen?
How is that pro-white?
Uh, but you know, if anyone was to be- No, but all those people are degenerate white people, you see, that's the, that's the key.
You know, people like me, we're just degenerates and not, uh, and we're not really white in the way that, um, he would understand it.
I mean, genetically white, yes, but not really white.
That's not even what I mean.
I mean, like, we may be degenerates, but we're degenerates with guns, right?
Like, we don't shoot back.
And so, how many of your people are you willing to kill thinking you're gonna kill us, you know?
I'm sure you will kill more of us than we will of you, but, like, what's the number, you know?
Like...
The South lost a lot of people, you know, like the Civil War was a truly devastating thing because war was fought at the community level and people were killing each other in their own community.
They're sitting there going, oh, we're so worried because minorities do all the killing.
Motherfucker, just wait.
You think minorities are doing all the killing now?
You want to start a race war?
You know, you want to give us something else to kill?
You know what I mean?
Like, let's go.
My favorite thing whenever I think about these guys with their fantasies about like doing the race war thing.
I mean, this is horrifying.
I'm not pushing for the race war, obviously, okay?
But like the fantasy that these guys have they're going to create a race war or engender that it's just gonna happen and they're all gonna kind of go off into their little hidey holes and they're gonna like live for a year on rations or whatever and then come back out like Who grows the food in this country, you fucking shitheads?
Like, you know, if it were not for, like, largely Hispanic day laborers, you know, like, working the farms, like, who grows the food?
You know?
Like, they don't understand that the...
majority of the world's farmers too are women they're like men will do and it's like bruh women have always done the farming like you all are worthless useless on your own and they just have no idea because you know they've just like taken credit for everything everyone else does so they're just like look at how awesome we are and it's like bruh we literally ship our recycling to like every other country because we don't know what to do with it and we just like can't figure it out so we're just like shrug china will take it indonesia will take it indonesia just sent back like 38 shipping containers just like full of fucking trash
and they're like we're absolutely not doing this anymore so like i don't really know what it is that they're so proud of in the first place like this frankly seems terrible It's because we have this clean country you see in the you know those other places that's they're dirty because dirty people live there that's the and Like 20 tons of our trash being delivered on their shores every day.
I really try to not like, you know, caricature there, but that's literally what they believe.
It's like, how little do you have to understand about the world to believe this?
That's just...
It's just astonishing, anyway.
I still don't understand why they don't get that if you don't give people a chance at a future, they don't really care what that future looks like.
And so if you want to tell people like me, you have no future, why the fuck should I care about any of that?
Right?
Like, why should I care about the environment?
Why should I care about life?
If you don't care about my life, why should I care about your life?
If you're telling me that people like me will be extinct in the future, why should I protect the environment?
You know, and it's just like, they don't ever think through these questions of what happens to a person's What happens when you de-incentivize caring about the things that they pretend to care about?
You know, what happens when you de-incentivize that in a population and then you're like, well isn't it sad that they don't care about any of this shit?
It's like, well, I mean, maybe if you gave them a reason to, they would.
Definitely agreed.
We've gone a little longer than I thought we were necessarily going to.
This has been a really fun chat, though.
This has been to be kind of a short, like, oh yeah, we'll do like 30 minutes talking about this debate, but I think we went to some interesting places, and I would like to also just point out, again, assuming that Stryker and Boisselier are going to listen to this episode, I do think it's important to note that C.V.
and I have, like, substantial political disagreements on a whole lot of different issues.
You know, there's no question that C.V.
and I are, like, coming at this from the same place, and in a better world, we could hash those out on a podcast like this instead of talking about, like, the Jewish conspiracy to control white people through parasitism or, you know, kind of whatever.
And it does strike me as, like, this is this enormous, um, just White nationalism is this drain on so much productive effort that you and I are doing, so you and I in the audience kind of listen to this, but also the white nationalists themselves, many of whom are bright, clever, enterprising people who could go out and build something for themselves.
It strikes me so often that if you weren't poisoned by this ideology, if you weren't poisoned by this, you could go and you could have a family, and you could go and build a career, and you could go do something else with your life.
There's got to be something more meaningful than Just bullshit!
Just do this on appeal!
Like, put down the microphone, Stryker!
Find something better to do with your life!
You know?
You know, and it's sad, because it constantly puts the left in a position that I think is often counterproductive, where, because the way that they want to... the turn they want to take is so toxic, you now have a bunch of energy being spent upholding civil society, which is something that neither they nor I want, right?
Like there are whole lineages of pessimist scholarship, queer pessimism, Afro pessimism, all these different kinds of scholars that are against the idea of civil society, against the idea of modernity, against the idea of liberalism, and certainly all of those things in its current iteration.
And instead of being able to hash those disagreements out and actually talk about what it would look like to create a hospice for the dystopia we currently live in, we have to spend a bunch of time holding it up structurally so that they don't take it into a full fascism.
We're now left defending something that sucks because they're going to make it so much worse.
And it's like you all could be spending your energy getting the things you want and having your material needs met, having white people's material needs met.
And instead you're wasting a bunch of time being dicks and thinking that you can just steal from black and brown people forever to uphold your standard of living while the world collapses around you.
And at some point you're going to realize that that actually doesn't work either because you get rid of everyone who builds your life for you or because you have a come to Jesus moment.
But either way, it would be great if they got on the same page as the rest of us.
Yeah, you're holding back the progress of all mankind, you dick, to quote a television show from a number of years ago.
Anyway!
CB, CB, just anything that you'd like to talk about here that we didn't cover on this episode?
I mean, obviously there are plenty of things you and I could discuss, but I think we kind of hit the high points of that debate.
And I would just like to reiterate, that thing was four and a half fucking hours long, and I have enormous respect for you for being involved in it for as long as you were.
So anything you'd like to add while we're sitting here?
No, I mean, I would say the invitation is still open to anyone who wants to invite me on, and if you so choose to spend your time drilling me on my proclivities as a genderless transsexual, you know, then that's your choice, but I think that it should really expose these people as not about white progress, as not about, you know, and I don't mean white progress in the capital W sense, but I mean, you know, because I don't believe in the idea of race, I think it's a construct of modernity, you know, but people who are marked white
I think it really should expose them as hucksters that don't actually care about those people, because if they cared about those people, then they would take their own advice and they would start talking about issues that were hard-hitting and important to all people and not, you know, continually look for ways to tear down these little niche subsects of white people, of everything external to them, of brown people, black people, right?
Like, they would be doing the work.
And I think the fact that they aren't, and the fact that they choose to use dialogue the way that they do, Really should wake people up to kind of just like, I don't know, what massive waste of breath they are, frankly.
Believe me, I understand that about as well as anyone alive.
Anyway.
Too real, too real.
One other thing that I would say really quick is that my Twitter was down when the debate happened.
It was down before it happened and then it stayed down for like three weeks.
And I thought that that meant that no one would try to contact me afterwards because You know, it was difficult to get a hold of me, but I got like 15 emails after that debate that were just like, you said this thing, I didn't really understand what you were saying, I couldn't really understand, like Stryker kept talking over you, you know, like literally people being like, Stryker kept talking over you, can you explain this to me?
And I've had like, got a bunch of new followers out of it when I did come back, and frankly have been having really good conversations with people, and so I do think that that is cool and inspiring and kind of just like LOL moment.
Uh, but yes, you can find me on Twitter.
From people who, like, were in that chat, from people who were, like, kind of watched the debate.
Yeah, people who watched the debate.
So, like, white nationalists, like, fans of Eric Stryker were kind of responding, going like, hey, that sounds interesting.
Yeah, you know, we're kind of like, you know, that idea you were talking about, about, like, forming a community when you feel like you don't have anywhere to go.
You know, like, a couple of them were about that comment in particular, and they were like, you know, do you, basically, like, do you think that white people deserve that?
Do you think that, you know, Would you say that that's something that only people like you get and not people like me get?
And we had a bunch of like really good conversations about like, yeah, you're right.
I do think you deserve that.
We should talk about what that looks like, right?
Like we should try to understand where each other are coming from, what it means to look out for each other's safety, what it means to hold space for each other.
And I had a bunch of really rad conversations around that.
So that was really awesome.
And just kind of like, I didn't expect it because I was off Twitter, but it was really cool.
So I appreciate all those people.
One of the things they bring up over and over again, just to kind of put a pin in this, one of the things they bring up over and over again is like, well, why can't white people go live by themselves?
Why can't I just kind of go and build a white community and just kind of go off somewhere?
And it's like, look, you know, if you weren't hoarding resources from the rest of the world, nobody would give a shit, you know?
Nobody wants to live near you.
I don't want to live near you.
Nobody who looks like me wants to live near you, right?
Like, go!
Literally, please go.
You don't get to hoard all your shit or all of society's shit and pretend that you don't have that because it's not built on the backs of the people around you.
Solidarity, yes, solidarity with racists, but not for being racist.
That's kind of where I land on that, anyway.
But why can't I kill all the natives and take their land?
It's like, really?
Really?
It's the Conqueror gene, you see, that's the thing.
so anyway we do not we do not endorse eugenics on this podcast regardless that was a joke anyway thank you so much Stevie for being on the show I'm My Twitter is at Daniel Lee Harper.
You can find all the episodes in this podcast on speakgerman.libson.com, which presumably you already found it because you're listening to it now.
Next time, we're going to be talking about Kevin MacDonald and the Jewish question, so this was a little bit of a preview of that because it's in my brain now, and now it's in yours, too.
Thanks again, Stevie, and please come back anytime.
Yes, absolutely.
And I never said my Twitter handle.
It's at not colloquial.
Come find me.
And yeah, thank you so much.
It's always awesome to talk to you.
Definitely even better this time than the last time.
