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I Don't Speak German, Episode 19: Jared Taylor and American Renaissance

In this episode, Daniel tells Jack about the so-called 'godfather of the alt-right' and Richard Spencer's claimed "mentor", Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, one of the most important and idiosyncratic influences on today's resurgent US white supremacism. Warnings apply. * Show Notes Episode 18 additions: Popular Front: "The American Militia Movement" "Standoff: Between Two Shotguns" by Ruth Graham at Slate Knowledge Fight Podcast   Jared Taylor and American Renaissance: Jared Taylor SPLC Sam Dickson at Atlanta Antifascists "The Racists on Ridgeland Way: Ground Zero for Alt-Right Organizing in Atlanta Sam Francis at the SPLC "While always a staunch conservative, Francis's views radicalized over time. He began describing himself as a "paleoconservative" focused heavily on racial issues and ended up writing for racist publications like the Council of Conservative Citizens' (CCC) newsletter, Citizens Informer. (The CCC, which had from the late 1980s until the late 1990s dozens of state legislators and other politicians in its ranks, is a white supremacist group that focuses on issues like support for the Confederate battle flag and opposition to non-white immigration, school busing and affirmative action. The group was built using the mailing lists of the White Citizens Councils, organizations formed to fight school desegregation in the South.) Francis' definitive break with more mainstream conservatism came with his 1995 firing from The Washington Times. The newspaper acted after conservative author Dinesh D'Souza quoted a Francis speech to a 1994 conference put on by the white supremacist and race science journal, American Renaissance. D'Souza wrote that Francis' comments embodied the "new spirit of white bigotry." " Sam Francis at Amren 1994 American Renaissance SPLC American Renaissance on Youtube American Renaissance website American Renaissance podcast "A schism over anti-Semitism threatens a key 'white nationalist' group. The outcome could be critical to the radical right." https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2006/schism-over-anti-semitism-divides-key-white-nationalist-group-american-renaissance "HERNDON, Va. -- For a gathering of people devoted to denouncing the inferiority of blacks and sounding the alarm about civilization-threatening Muslims, the biannual conferences thrown by the New Century Foundation, publisher of the racist newsletter American Renaissance, are decidedly genteel affairs. Men dress in suits and ties, women in formal business attire, and there are no uniformed skinheads or Klansmen to be seen. Large plasma television screens, Starbucks coffee spreads and fancy linens adorn the hotel meeting hall. Epithets have no place here. Or at least they didn't. At the latest edition of the conferences that began in 1994, held this February at the Hyatt Dulles hotel, a nasty spat broke out that upset the gathering's decorum -- and may even shape the future of the radical right. It began when David Duke, the former Klan leader and author of Jewish Supremacism, strode to a microphone after French author Guillaume Faye wrapped up a talk vilifying Muslims entitled "The Threat to the West." Duke thanked Faye for remarks that "touched my genes." But then he went one further. "There is a power in the world that dominates our media, influences our government and that has led to the internal destruction of our will and spirit," Duke said, according to an undisputed account in The Forward newspaper. "Tell us, tell us," someone in the back yelled. "I'm not going to say it," Duke replied. Laughter began to fill the room, until a short, angry man leaped from his seat, walked up to Duke and began to curse. "You fucking Nazi, you've disgraced this meeting!" he said."   2000 SPLC report on the first edition of the Color of Crime The Color of Crime, 2011 edition The Color of Crime, 2016 edition Jared Taylor's introduction to the first American Renaissance conference, 1994 (Actual content starts about eight minutes in) Amren 2019 conference speakers Jared Taylor banned from Europe until 2021 "Jared Taylor, one of the most prominent white supremacists in the U.S., claimed on his website on Friday that he’d been “banned from Europe” until 2021. The ban came as Taylor attempted to transfer in Switzerland for a flight to Finland. According to Taylor, Swiss police informed him that Polish authorities had barred Taylor from traveling through the Schengen Zone, a 26-country area of Europe allowing visa-free travel. [...] "Taylor had been planning on speaking at white supremacist conferences in Scandinavia, including one on Saturday in Stockholm that featured other well-known fascists like Mark Collett and Greg Johnson. It’s unclear why Polish authorities issued a blanket ban against Taylor. Taylor attributed the ban to a 2018 trip to the country, where he gave multiple television interviews. During that trip, Taylor said that Polish police said he was “spreading a totalitarian ideology.” " Jared Taylor and American Renaissance sues Twitter for banning over speech content. American Renaissance Newsletter, November 1990 "Setting the Record Straight: Longtime Partner of Jared Taylor Addresses White Nationalist Criticism" Paul Kersey at American Renaissance "Stuff Black People Don't Like" January 2010 at the Internet Archive SBPDL redirect at Unz Review

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Hi there, and yeah, Jack, Daniel, Don't Speak German, episode 19, podcast, Nazis, you know the drill.
Hi Daniel, how are you doing?
I am doing well, still not speaking German.
We took a week off and I did not spend any of that time learning to speak German, unfortunately.
Well good, because that would, you know, ruin our brand, wouldn't it?
We'd have to change the title and then, you know, people wouldn't know where to find us.
Yeah.
Yeah, so we did take a week off.
It wasn't planned for that week, but we were planning At some point fairly soon to go to a fortnightly schedule anyway, and I think we're doing that from now on, aren't we?
One episode every two weeks.
Yeah, I mean, I think last week, I mean, Jack and I both had I mean, just for the listeners, you know, this was always meant to be kind of a.
You know, we thought we'd get 100 listeners, right?
We thought, like, oh yeah, this is gonna be kind of a little thing, and it's really meant, it was really something Jack was doing for me.
A, like, it got us to sit and talk every week, which is great, but it was also just kind of meant to be, like, let me help you put notes together for the bigger project, because, you know, it's not a spoiler alert, I'm trying to write a book.
And that's not going very well because it's hard to learn how to talk about this stuff without talking about it.
And so this podcast was part of that.
It's like, okay, get your notes together.
We'll talk about it.
We'll, you know, you can kind of tangle out like what works and what doesn't in terms of like tone and all that sort of thing.
That was kind of the goal of this podcast and it blew up and we've got like thousands of people listening, which is great.
This is like an amazing thing to, I'm very privileged to get to be in this place, but it's still kind of, you know, at that point then like the correspondence and the sort of the greater prominence means that like it kind of puts us more in demand.
And it sort of like takes away even more from the ability to actually sort of like do slower, more contemplative work.
So, you know, we had kind of planned on kind of going, I say biweekly, but that's the Americanism, you know, every other week, court nightly.
So we are planning on doing that.
We will try to do some stuff that isn't directly on brand for this podcast.
We've talked about doing a 1984 commentary, which is sort of directly related to this content, but not specifically an episode of I Don't Speak German.
And I'm hoping to get some interviews and stuff that don't require as much prep work on my part and don't require as much work on Jack's part.
And so, uh, we may start kind of interspersing those as well, but I think from this point forward you can expect a regular I Don't Speak German episode every two weeks, um, with possibly kind of other stuff interspersed as, uh, as we produce it.
Um, and that's, um, with no attempt to sort of like thank you to all the Patreon supporters and thank you to everyone who is, you know, kind of commenting But it is out of a desire to make sure that it maintains its quality and that we're actually doing good work that's useful rather than trying to meet an arbitrary production schedule, if that makes sense.
Yeah, absolutely.
So before we get on to our actual topic for this week, this edition, I should say.
I'll have to start saying this edition or this episode now instead of this week.
You can say this week.
I mean, it is still, we are still existing in a week.
It's just we're not producing an episode every week, so.
No, no, I'm not going to say this week.
That would be incorrect.
And that would give all our terrible listeners just another excuse to dismiss everything we say, you know.
Well, they don't really need excuses, do they?
There are literally people who used to contact Mikey Yanaka of The Daily Showa, asking him why it isn't a daily podcast.
But it says it's Daily Showa.
Isn't it supposed to be daily?
No, it's just a joke.
It's just a thing, you know?
People on the internet, you know, I have empathy for that one thing.
I have empathy.
The overly literal listener.
On the internet.
The overly literal follower.
Someone who's a fan but doesn't quite get the point.
For that, I have empathy.
Not the genocidal racism stuff, but that.
That I have empathy for.
That one thing, yeah.
But, as I was trying to say before I derailed myself, before we get on to the main topic of this episode, you do have a little... some extra notes about our last topic, don't you?
The militia people and all that stuff.
Yeah, I actually just ran across some resources that I thought I would recommend to people.
You know, that last episode, episode 18, was really kind of meant to be sort of an introduction to sort of the basics of the militia movement, and sort of like connecting it to the Christian identity concept.
Kind of what I feel like I do is sort of like trying to like draw connections between these kind of far-right ideologies and the sort of really extreme stuff and these sort of like more coded stuff that's behind that and I found like the kind of connections between the kind of Christian supremacy stuff and the Christian identity, really compelling.
And that's kind of why I structured that episode that way.
But I really didn't talk much about sort of the present day of the movement, of the militia movement.
And that's because, you know, I've said this before, there are lots of other resources out there that do that.
And I would rather just let them do that because they're better at it than I am, frankly.
So I do have a couple of sources here.
One I just ran across randomly.
Well, one I got recommended to from a listener.
I had listened to this before, but I had just kind of like forgotten it.
There is a podcast by this guy Jake Haranahan who does Popular Front, and episode two of that podcast is all about the American militia movement.
If you do want to know the ins and outs of where the American militia movement is, at least in 2018 when they recorded the episode, and sort of like who are the major players, like who are the Oath Keepers, who are the three percenters, what are the kind of frictions between them, all that sort of stuff, that's going to be a definite place you want to go look. all that sort of stuff, that's going to be a It's actually a really good episode.
Lots of great information, and I highly recommend it.
I also ran across just randomly in my kind of like my not fascist podcast listening.
I was listening to – well, I was listening to – I thought you said not-fascist listening.
I I kind of found I thought you said not fascist yeah I was I was myself you know but you know no I was I was checking out this this podcast about the sort of American justice system I I like some of the kind of normie liberal left journalism when they kind of focus specifically on issues like that.
I listen to a lot of that stuff.
I find it useful.
Dabbing with faint praise there.
You know I Solid reporting is solid reporting and I'm you know, I you know, I'm never going to I'm never gonna counter signal that you know Like I you know, I can I can disagree, you know, we can disagree on lots of things But if you're reporting accurately on stuff that I find really really really really useful So they they did season two is about this sort of the American justice system but the season one of this podcast was called standoff and
And it's about the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992, which kind of becomes the origin point of what became the 90s militia movement and some of the kind of conspiracy theory stuff.
So I put a link to that, to the Stitcher link, so you can go and subscribe to that.
It's a four-episode miniseries, and each one's about 30 minutes long, and there are a couple of bonus episodes where they have interviews with some really bright people.
It's excellently researched, it's well produced, it's very, very well done.
I highly recommend that.
Um, and the only other thing I was going to recommend is the, there's this podcast that I listen to sometimes called Knowledge Fight, which is all about Alex Johnson and footballers.
And that's really going to be, that's a, that's a really fun kind of thing to get to kind of go and dig into.
These guys have kind of, Yes, indeed.
for you know kind of the the white nationalist right um they have done like a super in-depth uh deep dive on alex jones and so um and but they're they're much funnier than i am so go check that out it's definitely worth a listen um and i just kind of put it in the show notes so you can if you don't know that podcast um you can go check it out yes indeed um
on the subject of ruby ridge i will reservedly recommend also um john ronson's book extremists um which is a fairly old book now But, you know, fulfilling the I don't speak German bingo card here, you know, I have my issues with John Ronson.
But I remember that as being a pretty good book.
And there's a section in there about Ruby Ridge, which is written from a, you know, you know, a clear minded But immersed in sympathetic perspective, I would say.
I remember that as being pretty good.
And there's also some related stuff about these these sorts of.
These sorts of movements in another book of his, The Men Who Stare at Goats, which isn't just what they put in that silly movie.
Again, guarded reservation on that one.
I mean, again, this stuff has been, I mean, you know, Ruby Ridge was in 1992.
So we're talking almost 30 years ago, although we're going to be talking about stuff that's nearly that old today.
But, you know, so it is it is worth noting that there's been a lot of really great coverage of this stuff.
And, um, you know, so, so, uh, yeah, I haven't read the Ronson book, but, um, yeah, I mean, the thing with the militia, I mean, the thing with the militia guys, and, I mean, you know, again, our fascist listeners think I'm, think I'm somehow, like, cucking on our message or whatever by remitting this, but the FBI really mistreated some of these guys.
It turns out the FBI is kind of a terrible group, because they're basically right-wing white supremacists, but they don't like it when you get a little bit too uppity for them.
This is an awful organization that's fighting even worse people in many cases, and they absolutely like to trap people and do some awful things.
And Ruby Ridge, like the Weaver family, or at least Randy Weaver, who is, you know, had some really horrible ideologies and he was but but like they definitely entrapped him and did some really shitty things so oh yeah you know you know we we can be honest as leftists we we are kind of forced to be honest about like the realities of the world and you know like it turns out things are more complicated than good guys and bad guys i don't i don't know you know why why people are surprised when we admit that
but you know it turns out that's true well they have an idea of of you know their enemies and they don't really engage with them i think that's what you know i'm i'm I'm a communist.
Surprise, surprise everybody.
I'm not a big fan of the FBI.
The FBI has done terrible things to leftists, and still does.
Law enforcement and anti-fascists do not get along, believe it or not, despite what certain far-right figures will tell you.
That anti-fire are the foot soldiers of the establishment, didn't you know?
Indeed.
Okay, so the main topic this week is Jared Taylor and American Renaissance.
So yeah, tell me about that.
Yeah, so American Renaissance.
This is a kind of a masthead, a newsletter originally, that was founded in November 1990, or at least the first issue was in November 1990, by this guy named Jared Taylor, otherwise known as Samuel Jared Taylor or Samuel Taylor in the early stuff, but he definitely just kind of goes by Jared Taylor these days, so that's the name I'm going to give you, but if you do see Samuel Taylor in a lot of these kind of early materials, it's actually It's actually him.
Ironically, I think part of the reason that he decided to go by a different name is that here at the beginning of the American Renaissance and its founding non-profit organization, the New Century Foundation, there were two other Sams that were also present.
Sam Francis.
And Sam Dixon, both of whom we will be talking about a little bit more in this episode.
So it was tempting to just kind of call this one the Three Sams, but ultimately we're not going to spend that much time on Francis or Dixon today.
So yeah.
So anyway, American Renaissance... It's funny how much doubling up there is on names, isn't it?
It's almost as if most of these people are very, very similar sorts of people.
Almost.
It is just kind of one of those things where I think particularly newcomers studying this particular topic, when I first kind of got into it, I had a hard time remembering which one was Sam Dixon and which one was Sam Francis.
And then when I found out that Jared Taylor's real name was Sam, it's just even more like...
What you're saying is, they all look the same to me.
That's what you're saying.
They all look the same to me.
All white people look alike.
I am deeply racist towards white people, but only ones named Sam.
That's enough.
They are very visually distinct.
Pretty much all being, wow, I'm going to use a racist term here, gammons.
They are all definitely gammons.
Particularly Sam Francis, who died in, I think, 2005.
So he's no longer with us.
That's an aside.
So we are going to talk about American Renaissance today.
This is originally started out as a kind of a newsletter in November 1990.
They make all their archives available on their website.
I've got a link to the very first issue in the show notes.
We might read a little bit from it out here shortly.
The 90s, the heyday of cranky far-right newsletters.
What's funny is, like, if you go to the Internet Archive and you start looking for this stuff, there's a guy who's just collected a bunch of 90s zines, like, you know, like, punk culture and counterculture and that kind of stuff, and the American Renaissance zines are just thrown in there just randomly with those, which I think is just delightful that somebody's just collected all these and it's got, like, Old scans of paper copies of American Renaissance newsletters.
I think it's kind of delightful, that culture.
Yeah, I do have enormous nostalgic fondness for the 90s zine culture, but less so for this particular corner of it.
Right.
When you end up spewing pseudo-Nazi pseudoscience, and when you start being really, really ethno-nationalist racist, you become less of a Less of an entertaining figure, but you know, there is something to, you know, this sort of idea that, you know, for a long time, this stuff was just sort of like, oh, it's just some crank in the basement somewhere.
You know, it's not, it feels less essential.
Although I think American Resonance was always kind of more than that.
But I mean, it's this, the problem and, you know, some of what you end up with in terms of sort of mainstream coverage or sort of You know, Normie's kind of falling into this or kind of running across it is that it does seem like really kind of crankish stuff.
It does just sort of seem like, um, oh, it doesn't matter.
That's just kind of like nobody's really paying attention to that.
And so we can just kind of move on and talk about other things.
Um, and I, and I, and I, that is something that definitely benefits the Nazis to a large degree.
I mean, this, this sort of, um, being dismissed, um, as is ultimately harmless is, uh, in a lot of ways to something that, uh, It allows them to fester and grow.
Part of what I'm trying to do here is obviously to try to highlight that and talk about that particular issue to explain why this is actually important.
Although people run across that a little bit less now that you've got people shooting up synagogues and burning down mosques and that sort of thing.
People start to pay attention when that sort of thing happens.
We are far afield.
We're talking about American Renaissance in 1994.
They had their first conference.
A bunch of stuff from that first conference is actually online, including Jared Taylor's first kind of introduction.
Interestingly, yeah, let's quote.
I've recommended this book a bunch.
I didn't even put the title in the show notes this time.
Blood and Politics.
They have a whole chapter.
Chapter 37 is The Birth of American Renaissance.
It is, if you buy this book and only read one chapter, that's an excellent, I mean, you should read more than one chapter, but it's an excellent kind of summary of it.
It's very tempting to just, like, read big chunks of it out and just kind of call it a night.
But we're going to do differently than that.
But I did want to kind of quote from the beginning of this chapter for you, and it will kind of set the stage for this Amaran conference.
And, again, part of the joy in doing this in 2019 is that a bunch of these old VHS tapes are now available online.
So you can just kind of go look for it, and you can actually watch it, and you can realize just how well-researched this was because Leonard Zeskin, who wrote the book, attended the conference.
He kind of shows up, and he's writing about it, and then...
We can actually check him and find out.
Oh yeah, it's actually, he did a really good job of documenting that.
With full hauntological effect.
Exactly, exactly.
So yeah, one of the weird ones, just kind of referring to that issue, is that in the episode, the second part of the Holocaust Now episode, when I found the full clip of Fred Leuchter that was used in the documentary, that was kind of a weird moment.
So I'm going to read from the beginning of this Birth of American Renaissance chapter.
May 28, 1994.
At first glance, it appears to be another quiet suit-and-tie meeting at the Atlanta Airport Hilton Hotel.
University professors, journalists, and religious leaders deliver academic-style lectures in the most convivial of fashions.
Instead of the fervent secrecy and thick European atmospherics attending gatherings on topics such as race and civilization, this conference, held under the auspices of a newsletter entitled American Renaissance, exhibits a relative openness.
No loud white power rockers chant in locked-arm unison, no skinhead tattoos, no swastika armbands or white robes, no populist party faction works the room, although a savvy, newly emergent group known as the Council of Conservative Citizens unmistakably holds the franchise on the sidelines.
Just a little bit further down.
A long one.
A long one.
Okay, so no one needs his flush-faced oratory here, but he is not the only cow pasture crossburner in the hotel.
David Duke mills about the restaurant, a candidate without a campaign, telling whoever will listen of his plans to write a book as the proceedings begin.
Yeah.
A long one.
A long one.
A very long audiobook, yes.
It's also – anyway, yeah.
God, that man.
As the proceedings began, however, the conveners closed the door on Duke.
He is not welcome.
Instead, a small panda of obviously Orthodox Jews, identifiably dressed in black suits, hats, and beards, enter the room alongside 150 others committed to white supremacy.
So, that gives you, that's the beginning of that chapter.
And what really sets American Renaissance apart from the beginning, two things.
One is that it's sort of got this sort of pseudo-respectable quality to it.
It's definitely sort of more tuned towards overt white nationalism than it is tuned towards the more kind of paleo-conservative stuff that was going on even in the mid-90s.
But it's sort of exists along that spectrum.
It's just sort of the kind of the far edge when I'm Jerry Taylor.
He wrote he wrote some books in the in the 90s and he actually got like fairly fairly decent coverage from sort of like quote unquote respectable.
Right-wing paleoconservative publications at the time.
This is 1994 is the year The Bell Curve was published, for instance.
And so it does give you a sense in which Jared Taylor is definitely sort of saying the quiet part loud.
But to some degree, he is kind of considered to be kind of part of this kind of mainstream conservative thing, at least in the 90s.
And he's kind of continued that way ever since.
He's definitely sort of outside the warm embrace of movement conservatism.
He's definitely kind of gone and done his own thing and been in the weeds a bit.
But the fact that he's genteel, he speaks well, he's very polite, he doesn't use ethnic slurs, and he gets fairly positive mainstream coverage.
He's done a ton of interviews.
I'm sure if you go and look at his name you've seen him before.
And he's been kind of pushing the same message since 1994.
If you go, I put a link to the very first you know, address he gave at the American, at the first American Renaissance conference in 1994.
And, uh, you can, um, watch him.
He's, um, he's, you could literally cut that footage and put it with stuff that he said on his podcast last weekend and it would fit.
He's been pushing the same message for nearly 30 years.
Um, the other thing that's kind of sets American Renaissance apart from, uh, and we got, kind of got to that in this, um, segment here, but, uh, the other thing that really sets American Renaissance apart from the kind of more main, you know, the mainstream white nationalists, the, the, the, the kind of more overt the mainstream white nationalists, the, the, the, the kind of more overt neo-Nazis is, um, Jared Taylor is not Um, I.
I say that pretty confident that it's true.
Um, so he could have been faking for, for 30 years.
Um, I have spoken with people who know him, who've met him, and kind of asked that question, like, behind the doors, behind the scenes, is he, is he an anti-Semite?
And it's like, no, he's, he's actually not.
Um, the standard line that he gives when he's asked about this question is, they look white enough to me, um, which is kind of me doing my Jared Taylor impersonation.
Um, also, uh, he's, uh, very famous for his, uh, in his accent, he, uh, pronounces the word white as, white.
I don't think so.
White nationalists talking about quote-unquote white people and their superiority.
I do that with the H-U-W-I-T-E thing.
It's a bit of a meme that I embrace just to mock the white nationalists because they do it too.
But that comes from Jared Taylor.
It comes directly from Jared Taylor.
I always thought that was sort of a play on the idea that they think white people are the only humans, you know, hue white.
Oh, yeah, sure.
I mean, I get that.
I never really explained it, really, but, you know, it's purely based on the fact that that's how Jared Taylor pronounces the word white.
Well, there you go.
I learned something.
Yeah, no, I probably should have explained that joke, like, years ago, but, you know, that's how it goes.
That's why we do this podcast, to explain the jokes.
Yeah, no, it's fine.
It's a delayed payoff.
The secret of all good comedy is timing, as they say.
Right.
So the, just while we're kind of on the David Duke topic, who was not allowed into the very first American Renaissance, despite the fact that he was on fire around this time as well, like this was, this was pretty much like he had... Sadly not literally.
But he was kind of on the downswing, but it didn't necessarily kind of feel that way at the time.
You know, this was definitely kind of the peak of his career.
So, he did show up in 2006 to the Emmering Conference, and I put a long section of this piece from the SPLC about it, and we'll see how much of it I actually read, because it's a little bit long, but we'll give you the flavor of it.
For a gathering of people devoted to denouncing the inferiority of blacks and sounding the alarm about civilization-threatening Muslims, the biannual conferences thrown by the New Century Foundation, publisher of the racist newsletter American Renaissance, are decidedly genteel affairs.
Men dress in suits and ties, women in formal business attire, and there are no uniformed skinheads or clansmen to be seen.
Large plasma television screens, Starbucks coffee spreads, and fancy linens adorn the hotel meeting hall.
Empathets have no place here.
Or at least they didn't.
That's a bit of an overstatement.
That's a bit of an overstatement.
It didn't really do that.
It began when David Duke, the former Klan leader and author of Jewish Supremacism, strode to a microphone after French author Guillaume Fay wrapped up a talk vilifying Muslims entitled The Threat to the West.
Duke thanked Fay for remarks that touched my genes.
But then he went one further.
There is a power in the world that dominates our media, influences our government, and that has led to the internal destruction of our will and spirit, Duke said, according to an undisputed account of the Ford newspaper.
Tell us, tell us, someone in the back yelled.
I'm not going to say it, Duke replied.
Laughter began to fill the room until a short, angry man leaped from his seat, walked up to Duke, and began to curse.
You fucking Nazi, you've disgraced this meeting, he said.
If you read on, it's worth reading the whole thing, but they kicked David Duke out.
Ironically, this SPLC piece actually got reprinted on American Renaissance, so if you Google this title, you'll actually find it.
They just literally reprinted it.
American Renaissance is like reposting material from the SPLC.
It's just delightful.
So yeah, David Duke wants to talk about Jews all the time.
That's all David Duke ever really does.
It's the Jews, it's the Jews, it's the Jews.
Jerry Taylor has nothing that doesn't support that.
And he gets a lot of flack for it among the kind of the the overt neo-nazis because while he's I can imagine I mean basically if you don't denounce the Jews hard enough you get blamed of being a Jew And I might as well go ahead and throw this in now Jared Taylor, and I'm not quite sure I really tried to kind of dig into the to state this
Correctly into not because this is this is about like some personal life stuff with with Jared Taylor and I'm not sure kind of what the truth is here.
But there's this woman, Evelyn Rich, who started out when she was 23 years old in the early 80s researching the Ku Klux Klan.
She was from Britain.
She kind of came over here.
She was doing a grad program, was interested in, got interested in the Klan and sort of their rhetoric and sort of their structure, and wrote what I'm, what I gather is a pretty good dissertation.
It is available.
It's not available online, but there is a copy in Wisconsin.
If I could get up to Madison, Wisconsin any time, then I could go read it, I suppose.
But she ends up, starts out studying these guys, and then kind of ends up joining them.
And it seems to be kind of a gradual process, but she, from everything I understand, Jared Taylor is married.
But has had two children with this woman, Evelyn Rich, and that they are, she lives with him and they are long-term partners of some kind or another.
So, whether this is some kind of, you know, multiple marriage polyam relationship or, you know, like, look, I'm not gonna criticize any of that.
That's not my place here.
Jared Taylor, he definitely doesn't like gay people, but he really doesn't talk about degeneracy as much as a bunch of the other guys do, so, you know, I'm willing to Criticize him for being a virulent racist and ethno-nationalist and not blame him for whatever is going on in his personal life.
I couldn't really find straight answers about like exactly what's going on there, but Evelyn Rich definitely lives with Jared Taylor.
She has lived with him for decades.
She is kind of apparently working behind the scenes to do a lot of the kind of stuff that kind of goes on with the New Century Foundation.
She definitely kind of works with him.
Um, it's unclear exactly what her, um, what the what the extent of that is, um, but, uh, Blood Apologies, again, that chapter does also include some, um,
Kind of conversation about Rich and a little bit of the sort of the the connections that she had to like the SPLC and so basically like white nationalists will you know kind of the overt neo-nazis will say that like Evelyn Rich A is Jewish and B is using information from Jared Taylor's organization as like feeding it to antifascists and to the SPLC and the ADL etc to subvert the movement and so there's there's a lot of tension
About Jerry Taylor and about sort of the the police of American Renaissance within from the more overt neo-nazis But it's funny that like he nonetheless gets a lot of respect From from the larger movement, you know, they think yeah, he's just he's doing his thing.
He's just not talking about Jews he's you know, and and they see him I'm kind of at worst as sort of a Place that's kind of bringing people into their movement more so and I think it's just because he's just been at it forever You know, yeah He's another gateway.
Right, and it's funny that he really does seem to be sort of that dividing line between alt-right and alt-right.
Between the sort of explicit ethno-nationalist versus kind of more like we're just kind of honoring the West or kind of supporting the West or whatever.
So it does seem to be like he's kind of right there that people So alt-right people will kind of say, yeah, I read some Jared Taylor.
I kind of like what he says, but it's just a little bit too far for me.
Versus the overt white nationalists are kind of like Jared Taylor is kind of the far left wing for them.
He's the left wall for them sort of thing.
So he does exist as this pretty clear dividing line.
You can get a lot of truck with kind of how people feel about Jared Taylor if you kind of ask them who are in this kind of nebulous alt-right, alt-right space.
Jared Taylor, again, he does a ton of interviews.
He's appeared on Stefan Molyneux, interviewed him.
What a surprise.
Yeah.
In fact, I think I linked that in the Stefan Molyneux episode show notes so you can go watch that.
Very easy to find.
If you Google search for Jared Taylor, there's like a 48 minute interview he did with CNN a few years ago around the sort of the Trump train, you know, that kind of Trump effect and why white nationalists would like Trump.
And he's very open about like, well, he speaks to our issues because we as white people, you know, we just have to have a place of our own.
We just need to go our own way.
And this multiculturalist realm has failed because, you know, it's just not working.
We need an amicable divorce.
And he speaks exactly in that kind of Yeah, so you can check that out.
I did want to just comment slightly on this.
Again, there's a piece from the SPLC from 2016.
It's called Setting the Record Straight.
and this is just the uh for nearly 30 years evelyn rich the longtime romantic partner white nationalist jared taylor has been attacked by white nationalists accusing her being jewish recently rich contacted the southern poverty law center after being viciously attacked by notorious anti-semit john de nugent john de nugent is a it's a real piece of work he's kind of more the christian supremacist versus uh white supremacist um i didn't do really a deep dive on him but i checked out his website and he is he is batty as fuck um
so i'm just going to um read a little bit of Evelyn Rich talking about this issue.
After 30 years of listening to discussions about me by people who do not know me, I have finally had enough.
I would not care what Rod has said about me were it not that I am a mother.
Recently a despicable internet bully and notorious fruitcake has begun wondering, in quotes, about my daughters.
My daughters are off limits.
I need to let them know I will never submit to bullies and loonies.
I also need to let them know I will not put up with lies and rubbish.
Not all adults are grown up.
All of this comes down to one question.
Am I a Jew?
The answer is no.
I am not a Jew.
I am not a Jew by religion, ethnicity, race, or any other criteria or definition.
My accusers, and they are accusers, give the following reasons for thinking as they do.
Here they are, and here are my replies.
I look Jewish.
If I look Jewish to you, then I look Jewish to you.
That was an easy one.
My surname is allegedly Jewish, and then she's like, no, my name is Reich, not Rich, and so it's not.
So basically, she goes through all the, like, nonsense that they're spouting about her, like, oh, you're actually Jew, and, you know, again.
Anybody who is not going hard enough on the Jews in these circles is automatically accused of being Jewish.
It's just a thing.
It's worth reading this if you're interested in that issue.
Again, there's a link in the show notes so you can check that out.
Yeah, I suppose in a mindset where Jewish just means evil, if you're not talking about how people shouldn't be Jewish or Jewishness is bad, then You just are Jewish by definition, aren't you?
Because it's it's functionally the same as not being against evil.
Yeah, I mean, we're going to do a whole episode on the Jewish question, probably in about three or four episodes.
But the you know, the kind of the big.
Question there is often that you know that the whole thing is like the Jews quote-unquote are subverting you know white people in whole white societies and are sort of Existing as a sort of parasitical race and so any group that claims to be of us, but is not like explicitly arguing against the Jewish power and influence is is by definition not really kind of working for us.
I mean, you know, and so anything that's sort of like not hardcore enough kind of gets criticized as being like Jewish or Jew influenced.
And so it is this kind of deep paranoia at just the heart of it, right?
So yeah, that's kind of that issue.
So it's worth noting again that while Jared Taylor is not, as near as I can tell, he is not an anti-Semite.
He is, I believe, the only figure we have covered to any degree of detail on this podcast who is not an open anti-Semite.
He almost stands alone on this.
There will be other figures that we cover in the future who are not anti-Semites, but he is very, very alone on this in terms of who we've covered to date.
He doesn't talk about the Holocaust.
He doesn't talk about that stuff.
He is not an anti-Semite.
That said, he will certainly make common cause with anti-Semites.
And let me tell you how I know.
In the early days of American Renaissance, he's hanging out with guys like Mark Webber, Mark Webber of the Institute for Historical Review, the openly Holocaust revisionist, i.e. Holocaustist.
Holocaust denying dipshits, vicious anti-Semites who are still working within the movement.
Mark Webber has attended American Renaissance conferences and has talked about other issues than whether the gas ovens existed.
Lots of people have actually, you know, attended or actually given speeches at this conference.
Nick Fuentes, who we covered a few episodes ago, went.
Mike Enoch attended once.
He said it was incredibly, incredibly boring, that he hated the conference, he hated listening to all the speakers.
He just wanted to hang out and talk and drink beer and drink whiskey with them.
And it was because of his kind of negative experience at American Renaissance that they started the, what they call, TRS-Almania, which is just a bunch of racist dickheads getting around and drinking and playing music and shitposting in real life.
So that's that story.
But yeah, even when Enoch attended, he actually had a policy that there was going to be no photography that was allowed at that point.
No video or audio exists of that and the reason is because this was before he was doxxed and he was terrified of being identified through attending this conference.
From what I understand, that was not actually how they got him, but I can sort of understand his fear on that.
Maybe if you don't want to be known as being a white nationalist or white supremacist, don't attend white supremacist conferences.
That's my advice.
So anyway, tons and tons of people have attended.
While we're on the name of the conference, or while we're on the nature of the conference, it's actually happening.
This weekend, it was sort of an accident.
that we ended up recording um if we had recorded this last weekend it would have been next weekend but it's actually happening as we're talking right now we're accidentally relevant we're accidentally relevant um so uh i will uh kind of mention this is the uh just from their website again this link is in the show notes uh james also trs affiliated has 400 000 youtube subscribers over at white nationalists definitely hates the jews He's the number one person there.
Patrick Casey of the American Identity Movement, which is formerly Identity Europa.
We will be covering that at some point in the near future.
John Derbyshire, who is kind of an old-school, paleo-con, white nationalist guy.
He does a completely unlistable, terrible podcast called Radio Derb.
Oh great.
which I listen to.
Yeah.
Radio Derb.
Um, he's one of your, he's one of your countrymen.
You get, you get to claim him, you know, but, Oh, great.
I'm so proud.
He used to write for a national review.
He's kind of one of the big guys at VDARE.
VDARE is named after Virginia Dare, the quote-unquote, the first white child born in North America.
That's Grimlow's organ, isn't it?
Yep.
Yep.
That's it.
Yep.
Sam Dixon.
And so, you know, again, Derbyshire, we'll get to this in a second, but Sam Dixon, who we'll talk about here in a minute, the former Klan lawyer, quote-unquote, he appears on, he actually appeared on the American Renaissance podcast not that long ago.
Um, he goes on the Political Cesspool all the time.
Um, he does, uh, yeah, we'll get to him in a second, but, um, he was at this most recent one, um, Lotta Lotkiff of the, of Red Ice TV in 314.
This is, uh, it kind of started out as kind of more conspiracy-minded, um, kind of YouTube show and podcast, and then kind of moved into being a much more explicitly white nationalist and racist, um, but she's there.
And of course Joe Taylor, he speaks at all of these.
So yeah, those are the speakers, at least the ones that they kind of announced ahead of the thing.
So yeah, that's going on right now.
Do they have a conference every year?
They do.
It's moved around.
They've been having it at least the last couple of years at the Montgomery Bell State Park outside Nashville.
Basically, they used to do it at private hotels and that sort of thing.
It turns out that private hotels don't want to let white nationalists speak at their thing.
They don't want to be associated with it.
They tend to not be able to kind of do that anymore.
And so they've kind of been relegated to using state parks and national parks for that purpose, because the U.S.
federal government legally can't deny access based on the content of speech.
It's actually one of those First Amendment protections that they say they don't have anymore.
Yes, and in fact I was looking at a Twitter account, I can't I'm afraid remember who it was, but I will try to find it and provide a link so as to credit them, that was That was detailing with photographs all the immense amount of trouble that law enforcement was going to to protect the AMREN conference this year.
Exactly, and in fact there are, from what I understand, I mean this is, I didn't look in detail, but there have been multiple arrests of anti-fascists.
I know some people who were there last year, I don't know that I know anybody who was there this year, but I kind of You know through the web of connections you kind of hear things and uh from what I hear last year it was kind of a big wet fart that like nothing you know nothing happened nobody said anything so I'll be interested in kind of like what's happening in terms of the the on the ground details there um it's just all really sketchy and I didn't uh you know we'll we'll kind of cover it if it becomes relevant here in the future but um there have been I believe four anti-fascists have been arrested
And apparently there's something about, like, someone was injured by a horse.
It doesn't sound good.
It is kind of a boring old guy conference to a certain degree.
I mean, there is a, you know, we kind of talked about this when we talked about David Irving and kind of looking at the old footage.
You know, it's a bunch of, like, old guys, it's a bunch of old white guys and a few women sitting around in a conference room and, you know, just kind of giving speeches to each other.
You know, there's not, you know, this isn't, Fancy and exciting this isn't this isn't you know the kind of you know the kind of alt-right vibe that that sort of Fun edgy stuff that really kind of gets people excited in the movement.
This is the more you know quote-unquote respectable Quote-unquote respectable side, you know where we will you know that they require that all their attendees wear Shirts and ties and suit jackets, and you know they have a dinner afterwards, and it's this very um
Old-school kind of thing and that's part of what allows them to kind of keep their their mainstream respectability their their kind of Ability to to not look like neo-nazis But at the same time it's it limits their reach Because they're not able to really kind of like reach the the youth where where you know It's it's it's it's very much kind of the old guys conference Which is ironic because Nick Fuentes was like 19 when he gave a speech there and it was all about like
Generation Z is going to be the the one that really saves white people in america or something similar to that i mean it was very you know.
Embrace the zoomer reject the boomer and he gave it to you know a speech of he gave it to a crowd of people are all like sixty years old.
Yeah very paint by numbers sort of stuff i'm the young guy so i've got to say about how the young are going to.
Again, to reinvigorate the movement.
I feel like these sort of aesthetically respectable little nooks and crannies of the far right, they do play a certain role, you know, much as their reach is limited, obviously.
Richard Spencer has, I mean, I don't know how true this is, but he's referred to Jared Taylor as his mentor.
There is some truth to that.
Richard Spencer is, you know, when Richard Spencer was coming up, he's spoken in a bunch of these.
I don't know that he's spoken it.
He wasn't at this one.
I don't think it was at the last one, but certainly in that sort of period when the alt right was was sort of.
In its growth phase, Richard Spencer has definitely spoken a lot of this stuff.
Yeah, and I think the role it plays, certainly with regards to the next generation, if you want to put it that way, is to be this, at least aesthetically, this background of respectability and intellectualism and tradition and stuff like that.
I mean, it's entirely possible to sort of see, I mean, you know, Richard Spencer, for instance, as being sort of the next generation of Jared Taylor, you know, and it does seem like after 2017, once they sort of, once this movement realized they weren't going to literally take over the United States in the next six months, and they, you know, after Unite the Right, when they kind of went and they had the optics debate and they licked their wounds, it does seem like most people have, certainly today from what I'm hearing, it feels like they're,
They've kind of decided, you know, this is a long game.
And so they're embracing a little bit more of this.
We're going to do a conference every year.
We're going to sit down and we're just going to keep talking and we're going to have our kind of core group of people who are listening to us and we're going to, but we're not going to grow in the same way.
We're not looking to grow in the same way.
And so they are starting to look more at this model.
I mean, Jerry Taylor, You know, whatever, you know, he's been at this for 29 years now, you know, and he's made it.
He's made his life.
He's made his living at it.
So and it is, you know, people are starting to kind of look at that and go, like, maybe this is maybe this is kind of the next step.
So, yeah, he's he's the grand old man of American white supremacism.
So if what you're after is a career, you know, with prestige and, you know, money, et cetera, within this subculture, then I suppose it probably looks pretty attractive.
Yeah, especially for someone like Richard Spencer, who does clean up nice, who does have the dapper white nationalist qualities, who does not mind wearing a suit jacket and that sort of thing.
Definitely sort of if you watch like Richard Spencer's kind of more recent YouTube stuff, he's definitely he definitely kind of looks a little bit more like the kind of the more youth focused version of someone like Jared Taylor.
I mean, he's he's he's kind of embracing that.
I mean, there is something to the idea that Jared Taylor is sort of the godfather of the alt right.
And he's one of the you know, that's kind of one of the ideas that I wanted to kind of highlight.
And one of the things that made him worth covering in terms of on this podcast, you know, is that I mean, he's still out there.
He's still doing this.
I listen to his podcast every week, you know, and he's spouting the same old shit.
How much how much weight would you put behind that as the idea that he is the godfather of the alt right?
Oh, I would, I mean, I would put a lot behind that.
I mean, I think he's definitely sort of one of those figures that I think a lot of people did kind of find this stuff through him, and he is kind of a model for it.
Certainly, if you kind of imagine the alt-right is more that sort of like edgy internet subculture, it has a little bit less to do with that.
But certainly a lot of the talking points and a lot of the sort of the basic ideas, you know, outside of the anti-Semitism, which kind of makes most of what the alt-right is really kind of going for these days.
Aside from that, I mean, a lot of the other ideas, I mean, the whole like race and IQ stuff.
We'll get into this here in a second about like what does Jared Taylor actually say and what is his focus is absolutely you could you could, you know, just kind of lift it and kind of put it right on one of these kind of more edgy, more youth focused shows.
And it would fit right in there.
Yeah, I mean, I think this is where it pays off a bit to make the disambiguation that we've made.
I mean, more you than me.
I think I've maybe not been as good on this as you have, but this distinction, this disambiguation between the alt-right and the far-right, you know.
Right.
There's not really a name for it.
I tend to just call it kind of the white nationalists.
That's sort of where white nationalists, ethno-nationalists, Yeah, you know, that's the that those are the people that I'm that I'm covering and whether they call themselves alt-right or not is kind of, you know, beside the point.
I mean, again, I said this in the very first episode.
I don't really like using the term alt-right just because it is deliberately ambiguous, that it's deliberately means a lot of different things to different people.
And it exists as a kind of weasel word to a large degree.
Yeah.
And so the the uniting organizing principle is white supremacy.
Which Jared Taylor has been, you know, regardless.
So, I mean, I'm not saying antisemitism and white supremacism are, you know, perfectly distinct things.
Obviously, there's a huge amount of overlap and that, you know, the distinction is porous and so on, but they're deeply related.
But, you know, it is possible to iterate white supremacy without Antisemitic rhetoric and Jarrah Taylor has done that and by doing so he's kind of it's uh that might I mean I don't know how how correct this is maybe you can tell me but it's it's possible that this this disavowal of antisemitism is what has allowed him to dance for so long and this sort of dividing line between the the semi-respectable and and the extreme the extreme right because
I mean, I think really in the 80s and particularly the 90s, American mainstream conservatism, which is still pretty far right, really, in real terms, kind of and very often speciously and cynically and dishonestly sort of What set about purging itself of anti-semitism?
I mean famously Buckley said, you know, the right needs to completely purge itself of anti-semitism so to make itself respectable so that maneuver on I mean if you say he's if he if you say he's Sincerely not an anti-semite then then fine He's near as I can tell he is sincerely not an anti-semite his position then as a non anti-semitic white supremacist is
Is kind of the the the explanation for his continued ability to make a success in this niche that he's carved out i suppose which i suspect is you know connected to the fact that he's this.
This got this godfather figure to today's movement which is very much arising from this weird tension between the extreme and the respectable.
Right.
I mean, he exists as that sort of that sort of boundary line in a lot of ways.
And so, like, he can you can put him on CNN and he will talk about, you know, these kinds of issues, but not use the kind of explicit language that kind of brings in the more hardcores.
And so, you know, he's kind of the and he's the respectable middle of white nationalism.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And yet the hardcores, as much as, you know, they might be appalled at his lack of hatred for the Jews.
They will make common cause with him, as you've said, on other issues.
Oh, absolutely.
Because he's a hardcore white supremacist.
Right.
And because he, I mean, and we're going to get into this here in a second, He despises black people, and that's really enough.
That's really enough.
You hate black people as much as he does.
He doesn't really use slurs, like ethnic slurs and such, on his podcasts and in his interviews.
He will absolutely talk some shit about transgender people and gay people, etc.
Sorry, I'm going to use the word just to avoid ambiguity here.
He will use the word tranny, for instance, like openly on his show.
So, you know, there's no there's no kind of question there.
He is an overtly bigoted man.
Let's not, you know, I don't want you to think that I'm like defending him or anything like that.
He's an awful person.
He's just not an anti-Semite.
Sadly, without in any way justifying or defending or downplaying Stuff like that is, there are, I mean, really, I mean, the perception of that word as a slur is limited to pockets, really, in my experience.
Anyway, the vast majority of people, certainly of that generation and the generations immediately below that generation, you know, the idea that you shouldn't say that word for some reason and that you shouldn't laugh at transgender people, et cetera, and use words like that for them.
They, you know, I don't think most people would take that seriously.
So that's pretty widespread, really.
Right.
I mean, that's sort of again, I'm not I'm not downplaying it.
Right.
I mean, that's sort of the mainstream right wing conservative, you know, just kind of viewpoint.
So so I mean, I'm not trying to sort of highlight that as, you know, like.
That's unique to the alt-right or unique to the white nationalists or anything like that.
But it does get a show that like to the degree that, you know, if he was trying to be like that respectable, then he would be a little bit more polite about that, I guess, in 2019.
He's probably just too old to know what he's supposed to say about things like that.
And I think that like within the world that he moves in, like it doesn't matter.
Like there's no, you know, there's no like leftist who's gonna Yeah, I mean, I will call him out on it, but like, I don't matter to his audience, right?
No, exactly.
I do want to, just to kind of move past that a little bit and kind of talk about, I do want to talk about the other two Sams here.
And, you know, both of these guys could probably be worth an episode of their own.
I don't know how interested I am in doing that.
So we'll start with Sam Dixon.
I do have a link to Atlanta Antifascists.
They've written a ton of stuff on Sam Dixon.
Sam Dixon lives in Atlanta.
He has a compound...
Well, they do amazing work kind of covering him again.
This is like I'm not gonna just kind of repeat everything that they've already said and But but he definitely he has basically like a little compound where he like trains Butting white nationalists and into being better white nationalists.
That's not worrying at all.
No, not at all.
Not at all A lot of the footage you've seen of people burning crosses and doing various things are most likely done on property of his or property of one of his buddies.
There are some very wealthy people in Atlanta who are – one of the things that you run into is sort of this question about who funds a lot of this.
And the answer is like a lot of like secretive donors who may not have $10 million they can throw at it but definitely have like $20 or $30 grand they can throw at it every year or two.
Sam Dixon exists in that kind of arena.
He's kind of known as the Klan lawyer.
He's a very old man today.
He is viciously, viciously racist.
I'll read a little bit from Blood and Politics on Dixon here in a second.
But I just want to highlight this piece, The Racists on Ridgeland Way, Ground Zero for Alt-Right Organizing in Atlanta.
There's a link.
This is from Atlanta Anti-Fascists.
It is an excellently researched piece, and you can look at this wonderful compound.
Again, I have been in contact with people who have visited this place.
It is apparently very, very nice and, again, very, very, very racist.
Let's read a little thing about Dixon here again.
This is from the beginning of Chapter 37 of Blood and Politics.
A few speakers set the events tone.
Among them was Sam Dixon.
Despite the presence of Jews at this particular event, the Atlanta-area attorney was no stranger to the word the politically Judenfrei.
In the past, he had operated a small historical review outfit in Georgia and had attended at least one Institute for Historical Review conference in California.
He had danced British Fuhrer John Tyndall across the Atlantic in 1991 and supported Pat Buchanan in 1992.
Nevertheless, Dixon was as gracious as any Southern gentleman could be and treated the Jewish speakers with deference and respect.
Not even a euphemistic mention about our traditional enemies passed his lips.
Instead, Dixon simply affirmed the theme of the meeting.
To me, the whole idea of racial equality was preposterous from childhood, he averred.
Over the course of the weekend, it was stated and restated by others with nuance and without.
Black people were mentally inferior, genetically prone to violent crime, and biologically unfit to live as a social and political equals among whites.
Dixon's unique contribution was a droll, sarcastic wit.
His target, white liberals.
He turned the verbal tables by using psychologically loaded language to lampone left-wing activism, the same lingo that liberals often use to describe the paranoid right-wing.
Ever since the Brown v. Topeka Board of Education decision, he said, the consensus few had been that racists were emotionally disturbed, perhaps best institutionalized for the benefit of society.
The truth was the reverse.
Liberalism is a form of mental disorder, he derived.
It is a neurosis or a psychosis that has swept the world.
Among other emotional problems, liberals exhibited an unreasonable mania.
They protested this cause and that non-stop.
And they're meeting constantly, and writing and printing and picketing.
I mean, these people have an abnormally elevated energy level.
Dixon chuckled.
Worse, liberals were undaunted by failure.
Look at public education, he said.
Is there any evidence that race-fixing has improved the lives of anyone?
Of course not!
I've listened to a lot of Sam Dixon.
This is very much the way he talks.
I was just thinking, you know, I've heard that, you know, liberalism is a form of mental illness thing only about a billion times on YouTube.
You know, sometimes these days it's in code as, you know, feminism is mental illness, but it's the same fucking thing.
Yeah, well, I mean, again, it's, it's, it's worth noting, like, here at American Renaissance, you know, when we say this is the, the birth of, of the, kind of the godfather of the alt-right, um, this, you know, this playbook is exactly what these kind of alt-right figures, like Paul Joseph Watson, you know, they code it slightly differently, they don't say white people and black people, they say, you know, like, Yeah, but the same things about you know, like basic kind of cultural inferiority and shithole countries and all that kind of stuff It's yeah, it's straight up.
It's straight from this playbook.
And again, it's worth noting.
It was right here in 1994.
It's also worth just talking about sort of the sort of the liberal protest groups and just for our leftist listeners, I'm Jack and I are very aware of the kind of complicated usage of the word liberal here, but suffice to say that that's not a topic we need to necessarily kind of cover here.
No, we'll table that!
We'll table that!
But yeah, it's worth noting that I believe, it's either 93 or 94, the film PCU was released.
Um, which goes to show you, I don't know if you've seen that film, but it's very much sort of like, it highlights this absurdity of this, like, kind of left-wing, you know, protest organizers doing, like, silly things, like thinking that meat is murder and, you know, that apartheid is bad and all that sort of thing, so.
Yeah, this idea was very much in the culture at that point, to a large degree.
So it does speak to the way that these guys are both playing a game of tug-of-war with the larger culture in a lot of ways.
These ideas are out there, they're just pushing the far-right version of it.
And yeah, I mean, it's no surprise really to hear attitudes like that in Atlanta.
I mean, you know, the ultimate source of attitudes like that in Atlanta, Georgia, is going to be the same ultimate source as a lot of the wealth of, you know, personal wealth and family wealth of people in Atlanta, Georgia, that gets donated to him, isn't it?
You trace it back far enough, same source for both.
Right, exactly.
So that's Tim Dixon, known as the, again, known as the Klan Lawyer.
He is still alive, he still appears on some of this stuff.
He, you know, doesn't go on the sort of, you know, he hasn't been on the Daily Show and that kind of stuff, but he goes on the Political Cesspool, James Edwards Show quite regularly, and he's kind of well known as this kind of neo-confederate figure, and he's, you kind of get the sense he's working a lot behind the scenes as well.
I mean, he's kind of collating donations, and again, vicious, vicious racist.
The other Sam, other than Samuel Jared Taylor and Sam Dixon, is Sam Francis.
Now, Sam Francis did die in 2005.
He is one of these kind of old school paleocons.
I'm going to read this little segment from the SPLC on him.
While always a staunch conservative, Francis's views radicalized over time.
He began describing himself as a paleoconservative, focused heavily on racial issues, and ended up writing for racist publications like the Council of Conservative Citizens CCC newsletter, Citizens Informer, The CCC, which had from the late 1980s until the late 1990s, dozens of state legislatures and other politicians in its ranks, is a white supremacist group that focuses on issues like support for the Confederate battle flag and opposition to non-white immigration, school busing, and affirmative action.
The group was built using the mailing list of the White Citizens Council's organizations formed to fight school desegregation in the South.
Francis's definitive break with more mainstream conservatism came with the 1995 firing from the Washington Times.
The newspaper acted after conservative author Dinesh D'Souza quoted a Francis speech to a 1994 conference put on by the white supremacist and race science journal American Renaissance.
D'Souza wrote that Francis's comments embodied the new spirit of white bigotry.
Dinesh D'Souza, our good old buddy anti-fascist Dinesh D'Souza, got Sam Francis fired from the Washington Times in 1994 after he spoke at this very conference, and I have video of that so you can watch exactly what Dinesh D'Souza was thought was over the line there.
So yeah, he was writing for the Washington Times for a number of years, he got shit canned, and then he just Basically moved on into being more and more overtly white nationalist, but he had, you know, kind of serious academic cred and he ends up being kind of the ends up being quoted a lot by people who are a little bit more.
Well, read in this movement as sort of one of the kind of the more thoughtful people, the more kind of the intellectual basis of a lot of this stuff kind of kind of comes out of San Francisco.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Again, that's again, it's kind of it's kind of the aesthetic MO of paleo conservatism and paleo libertarianism, which, you know, I think you and I agree now as many points of contact to the point where they're often just the same thing.
Yeah, the aliens are slightly more focused on quote-unquote free market solutions, but yeah, it's it's yeah, but the this sort of aesthetic mo of that trend in the far right is this this sort of sheen of intellectual ism.
Right.
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Yeah, and he was too much for Dinesh D'Souza, who was one of the founders of the political correctness gone mad canard, who thinks Hitler was left-wing, who thinks anti-fascists are fascists, etc, etc, etc.
Who is wrong on every conceivable topic, including, you know, like, he interviews Richard Spencer and comes away with the conclusion that Richard Spencer is really a Democrat!
Basically, if you want to know what's true, find out what Dinesh D'Souza thinks, and the opposite is what you want to go with.
But he ended up being, you know, Samuel Francis is a racist.
The one time Dinesh D'Souza had a point.
That's right.
Yeah, he managed to get that one right.
Sam Francis was so racist that it even penetrated Dinesh D'Souza's skull.
Right.
I also highlight that because, you know, one of the things that I've used as a, one of the things that helps me to understand this kind of general world is the idea that the alt-right, you know, is kind of the edgy rebranding of what was otherwise kind of the right side of paleoconservatism and that there's a clear intellectual through line there.
And so once you start to kind of understand Sam Francis and kind of his place in terms of, You know Framing the sort of the ideas of the movement You start to realize more and more than the alt-right really is just sort of this this this I mean there is a break there But there is also this kind of like it really is just this kind of extension of paleo-conservatism So and also that that that market inflection in paleo libertarianism as well.
I would argue, but it's a it's That's a byway.
Yeah, and of course, a little notice of coming attractions to the viewers on the subject of people called Sam.
I think we are planning at some point to do an episode about another Sam, aren't we?
About another Sam, yeah.
Might as well announce it now.
We're going to do that in the next episode.
Oh, this is news to me, listeners, so it's the next episode.
Wow.
Yeah, a certain person's been talking some shit on the internet and kind of pissed me off.
What an unusual occurrence.
Yeah, yeah.
So I want to be absolutely clear about this.
Yes, yes.
Sam Harris is not a Nazi.
No.
But he absolutely deserves a place on this podcast, and we're going to do that episode next episode in two weeks.
I'm going to put together a shitload of notes, and I'm going to demonstrate exactly how awful Sam Harris is.
Sam Harris is not a Nazi, but he deserves a place on this podcast.
Not a Nazi, but a piece of shit.
A giant piece of shit and absolutely enables Nazis.
And so we'll be talking about Sam Harris and the intellectual dark web a little more generally, but particularly Sam Harris in particular because he's really, really awful.
Anyway, that's the next episode.
Om nom nom.
This is a little bit of a, you know, Jack and I, you know, we have some axes to grind on this one.
Oh yeah.
Anyway, we should get back to our topic here.
There's not a whole lot more in terms of giving background, except to say that I've talked a lot about what Jared Taylor doesn't talk about, and kind of like he's not an anti-Semite, he doesn't seem to be a Holocaust denier, although he hangs out with Holocaust deniers.
What does Jared Taylor actually talk about?
His big thing is black crime.
That's the number one thing.
He talks about it constantly.
In 1989, American Renaissance published a pamphlet, kind of a little booklet, called The Color of Crime.
I couldn't find the 1999 edition on the internet anywhere.
It's probably available, and it didn't kind of come up quickly.
But it was revised in 2011 and then again in 2016.
I have both of those linked here, so you can kind of take a look at those if you're interested.
I do have a just to give you a little taste of This is from the 2016 edition.
So it starts out.
This is this is page 2 right after the the cover It has a major findings is the heading here The evidence suggests that if there is a police racial bias and arrested is negligible victim witness survey show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes and There are dramatic race differences in crime rates.
Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites and then Hispanics.
Blacks have notably high crime rates.
This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were perpetrators 85% of the time.
Yes.
This meant that a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
In 2014, in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder.
Oh, my God.
Are you sick of listening to this yet?
Yes.
So just to be clear on this, what they're doing is they're taking statistics, most of which are – I mean, you know, it's tough to kind of go through and look at all this and kind of like find all the sources and kind of figure out like what's real and what's not.
No one, like, denies the idea that, like, African Americans commit more petty crime than white people.
Like, that's just sort of a basic, the question is why?
And what they do is they take it completely out of context.
They make it this kind of genetic, like, they talk about testosterone levels and low time preference and, you know, like, it's just the way they are because this is what you do in Africa.
They're just a violent British savage people who don't know any better and to expect them to live up to, you know, white values and white standards is just, you know, it's too much for them and that's why we just can't live with them, you know, that's the whole thing.
But there's no kind of sense of, like, looking at, like, You know, poverty rates.
There's no sense of looking at wealth rates.
There's no sense of looking at, you know, the, you know, all the work that criminologists and sociologists have done through the decades that, like, look at this question in much more sophisticated and interesting ways and asking really difficult questions and really, you know, digging at this and kind of trying to answer this question.
All of that is completely missed by this.
And these people, I want to be clear, black crime and immigrant crime, Hispanic crime, You would not believe the number of hours I've spent listening to them basically spout this kind of, like, nonsense, completely out of context statistics that are just meant to enrage people.
Dylann Roof!
If you look at Dylann Roof, the, um, the Charleston Church shooter who, um, He arguably kind of kick-started the whole alt-right in a lot of ways in terms of response to that was taking down Confederate flags and that sort of thing and really pissed a lot of white nationalists off.
He said the thing that convinced him, that made him do what he did, was he got on the internet and Googled black-on-white crime.
I guarantee you this kid ran across American Renaissance and I guarantee you he probably read some version of this of this document and radicalized him and then he went off and killed nine people in Charleston, South Carolina in 2014.
Like this is this is exactly what's kind of going on.
This is radicalizing online stuff and this is no perfect.
This is exactly What convinces a lot of these people is this out of context nonsense about crime rates, you know, that doesn't take any context or any kind of usefulness.
It's disgusting to me, the degree to which this easily debunked nonsense.
that doesn't take any kind of anything else into account it's just assumed that it's a correlation causation thing right it's like you know because black people are committing crime therefore it's just their nature and so it's oh god it's it's really really frustrating for me obviously but i wanted to read enough of that to get to give you a sense of just how mind-numbing you can get yeah it's just that over and over and over again yeah i mean this goes on i mean i could have read i mean there's kind of one page of that and then it kind of goes on into and into
you know more you know statistics and again if you kind of have it in front of you and you're kind of looking at the document you know you can kind of go there are some like sources you can kind of go check sources and that sort of thing but on a podcast or a youtube show especially when they're just kind of spouting nonsense um you know it's just kind of words it just kind of washes over you and it just kind of becomes this That's part of the radicalization process is that you're not supposed to really think about it.
You're supposed to just get angry over, you know, awful black people committing violent crimes against, you know, innocent white girls and stuff.
Well, they want to get you to that point where you just completely stop thinking about it and you just have this Pavlovian somatic reaction.
You know, you hear the the trigger and you react the way you've by that point been trained to react with the with the violent rage.
And yeah, it's not, I mean, you know, I'm not quarreling with you, but this is not what convinces them.
They're already convinced.
They know the conclusion that they want to find, and they go looking for stuff to buttress the conclusion.
And they ignore every other data that contextualizes or complicates it.
Well, and in order to do this, just to be clear, you have to, and yeah, I agree, it's not like a convincing thing, it's more like sort of, I think of it like religious apologetics, where it's sort of meant to be the justification for the thing you already kind of want to believe.
But it is, you know, again, sometimes you're reaching out to people who are young enough, and people get exposed to it, and it just, you know, it becomes this almost like inoculation against more reasonable arguments because you just kind of get in early enough that it kind of starts to infect the brain.
And again, all this stuff, Fox News won't say it's because of genetic predispositions.
They'll say, oh, it's culture.
It's that whole assimilationist versus segregationist and exterminationist argument again.
You know, it's that whole like, well, you know, there are good black people who, you know, keep their pants up and they don't go to prison and they go to school and they study and all that kind of stuff.
And then there are the other kind of black people, you know, who don't do those things.
And I find it difficult to talk about this to any sort of degree, just because as a white man myself, having a conversation casually about what sorts of things might be causing these kinds of issues, it's just not my lane to have that conversation ultimately, and I'm very aware of that.
Um, and, uh, you know, it's very easy to kind of stick your, stick your, uh, foot in your mouth and then end up kind of saying some, some vaguely racist things even when you're trying to sort of, uh, defend, um, against this kind of much more awful virulent form of racism.
So, um, I just want to be clear, you know, that in this talk I'm trying to demonstrate They don't even kind of approach the basic level of understanding.
This is very overt, very bottom-level, very virulent, you know, instinctual racism for a lot of these people, and that this just kind of becomes a justification.
Again, I have here, again in the show notes, the very first issue of American Renaissance.
The opening thing is Who Speaks for Us.
Apparently written by Jared Taylor.
I don't think it has a byline on it, but it's almost certainly written by Jared Taylor.
And it kind of talks about the need for a white identity and a rejection of multiculturalism.
That's page one.
Page two...
uh race crime and numbers by someone named Marion Evans and it starts out it is well known that non-whites commit proportionately more crime than whites but few people have any idea how great the disproportions can be yada yada yada numbers numbers numbers what if New York City were all white muggings would drop by a whopping 84% murder would drop by 80% and the sex offenders like
Is if is if there's not going to you know you make New York City entirely white is if there's not going to be an underclass that's going to like it yeah yeah it's like it turns out that when you put people into economic and cultural boxes by things like skin color.
And then, you know, certain kinds of people, people who are oppressed and segregated, need things and go out and steal things and then end up in kind of a vicious cycle of crime.
It turns out that then when you compare crime rates among the oppressed versus non-oppressed classes, you find disparities.
It's astonishing.
What if there were no poor people?
What if poverty didn't exist?
Crime would dramatically reduce.
Yeah, I agree.
It would.
Yeah, well done.
But again, this very thing that you and I can laugh off in a moment ends up being the core of what American Renaissance has been doing for 30 years.
And because it speaks to this kind of basic lock-em-up mentality, and 1994 was in many ways kind of the height of a crime wave across the entire United States, they got a lot of people convinced by this.
And it's just, you know, it's right there.
But again, there's a link in the show notes if you want to go read all that and explore it.
You can certainly do so.
Another point that they kind of bring up over and over again is that white people are the ones who are actually discriminated against in the United States.
Page 3 of 10.
The New Racism, Excluding Whites by William Robertson Boggs.
Today, what is called racism depends on who was doing it.
You know, we could kind of go through it again.
It's worth reading this whole thing, or at least kind of looking.
Children of the Welfare State.
Who collects all the welfare?
Turns out it's all the black people.
The welfare queens.
Yeah, the welfare equipment.
Which is the more mainstream way of putting it, but it's the same idea.
So again, just wanted to kind of give you a sense of that.
It is worth kind of looking at this.
I do have it in the show notes.
I don't suppose IQ comes up at all, does it?
It does, although like at this point, I mean, I, you know, certainly in 1990, that's kind of pre the publication of the bell curve, which, which kind of mainstreamed this, um, in a lot of ways.
So, so they, they do certainly talk about lower IQs, but they tend to speak more about, um, just sort of like average group differences and more of a general sense among American Renaissance.
It's more kind of like, well, we can see from like observed behavior that these people are just inherently more violent.
And any, you know, words you get from some sociologist, some liberal nincompoop over there, trying to tell you that there are other factors involved than just, like, race and testosterone, well, clearly, that's just someone trying to deny the facts, deny the realities that are right in front of our face, and that's sort of the justification you get for it.
So because we can look and see that Table 43 in the FBI statistics shows that victimization rates are – that black people commit more crimes than white people, etc., etc.
We can – because that table exists.
Anything that tries to explain that table, or to justify, or to explore why that might be so, is really just someone lying to you.
And while American Renaissance won't say it's the Jews, pretty much everybody else says, yeah, it's some Jew that told you.
It's some Jew that's trying to manipulate you into not, you know, taking your own side as a white person, etc, etc.
So, just a little bit more on Jerry Taylor, just sort of, you know, he is banned from Europe until 2021.
Yeah, the Polish government said he wasn't welcome, didn't they?
I know I've been reading a lot of stuff this episode, but I did want to read a little bit from this ThinkProgress piece, with your permission.
Jared Taylor, one of the most prominent white supremacists in the US, claimed on his website on Friday that he'd been banned from Europe until 2021.
The ban came as Taylor attempted to transfer in Switzerland for a flight to Finland.
According to Taylor, Swiss police informed him that Polish authorities had barred Taylor from traveling through the Stengen Zone, a 26th century area of Europe allowing visa-free travel.
A little bit further down, Taylor had been planning on speaking at white supremacist conferences in Scandinavia, including one on Saturday in Stockholm that featured other well-known fascists like Mark Collette and Greg Johnson.
It's unclear why Polish authorities issued a blanket ban against Taylor.
Taylor attributed the ban to a 2018 trip to that country where he gave multiple television interviews.
During that trip, Taylor said that the Polish police said that he was spreading a totalitarian ideology.
I can't think why the Poles might be, you know, sensitive about far-right uh ideologues you know although although the polls have been there's some there's some complicated stuff going i mean you know there's there's a research to the far right in poland so you know um and the polish government has actually um instituted some pretty dodgy laws about uh talking about the holocaust as well it's uh right yeah well it's it's about like uh you know you're not allowed to
uh uh basically you're not allowed to emphasize the polish role in the whole on the So you've got to blame it all on the Germans, essentially.
Which, you know, not to get sidetracked, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that Poland was a There's a there's a there's a there's a right wing resurgence all around the world right now for large scale structural factors.
dominating power but you know there is undoubtedly complicity and uh right to not to be allowed to talk about it is a form of denial i'm afraid right exactly and and um you know no i don't i just wanted to kind of be clear about you know kind of what's going on again uh there's a there's a there's a right-wing resurgence all around the world right now for uh large-scale structural factors um poland is um not probably not going quite as far as some of the other countries
but they're they're they're pretty explicitly um racist in a lot of ways um and uh yeah To the immense emotional movement of Stefan Molyneux, as we saw.
Exactly.
In the video that I showed where Molyneux visited Poland.
He speaks with tears in his eyes about the horrors that were visited upon the Polish people during and after World War II.
So, you know, that's the thing there.
It's all connected.
It's all connected.
I just want to highlight that the conference that he was trying to attend, the Skanza Forum, This was in Stockholm, and these are some of the other people who are going to be at that event.
Jared Taylor, Mark Collette, who we're going to talk about at some point in the future, because we're going to do some British fascists, and you're going to tell me, you're going to explain to me who all these people are.
Greg Johnson, who was mentioned.
Millennial Woes, Scottish racist there.
Yep.
White supremacist.
Yep.
In favor of reinstituting slavery.
Yeah, at least I think I might be pro-slavery.
What a good friend of Sargon of Akkad as well.
They had a nice chat about how Heather Hyre happened to die of a heart attack near a car crash and had a good laugh about that.
Yeah, they definitely, you know, well, yeah, I'm not gonna get into that again.
Highlighting that here, just kind of listing that, Jerry Taylor does a lot of stuff in Europe.
He has long had connections to Identitarian And kind of vaguely Nazi movements all over Europe.
That is something that's kind of worth detailing.
Unfortunately, I don't have all that information in my head to kind of like talk about all the different groups he's visited, but he is very well connected and there are typically European far-right white nationalists who attend the American Renaissance Conference every year.
And there are some other figures.
Again, I just don't I'm not familiar enough with them personally to kind of speak intelligently to it.
But that is definitely something that's happening.
One more kind of factor here about Jerry Taylor before we kind of move on and do one more little thing, and I kind of wrap up here, but Jerry Taylor and American Renaissance is suing Twitter because they banned him.
It's going to be interesting to see kind of where this goes.
Well, this is the civil rights struggle of our age, of course.
Right.
Exactly.
You know, whether Jared Taylor gets to be on Twitter, he's essentially arguing that because he's never violated the terms of service, because he doesn't use slurs and he doesn't promote violence, etc., etc., that banning him is kind of a violation of his free speech rights.
And, you know, I honestly don't know how that's going to go.
I mean, it depends on kind of where the where they find a judge and kind of kind of what happens with that but um yeah he is currently suing twitter um they are pushing it through i'm not sure um this is this guy uh mark randazza is kind of handling a lot of his um legal work mark randazza is also uh andrew england of daily stormers lawyer and he's done a lot of quote-unquote free speech work um that is basically uh supporting white supremacists and white nationalists over the years um
He's a pretty prominent attorney kind of doing all this stuff and he's working again another connection between you know respectable Jared Taylor just working for a future for white people and the really vicious awful Andrew Anglin.
Yeah.
It's not just a coincidence, is it?
have the same lawyer and uh certainly lawyers will take on you know clients and you know that's the thing but it's almost as if there's this web this network of people who are all kind of working together as far as the fact that they keep their rhetorical distance you'd almost think that when it's not just a coincidence is it i mean let's face it that they happen to have the same lawyer you know it's not you know like jarrett taylor was looking for a lawyer and he just sort of stuck his finger in the phone book at random and he just happened to accidentally pick them
the same one that works for the guy that runs the Daily Stormer, you know.
Right, right.
Somebody tells him later on, you know, oh really?
Oh wow, what a piece of luck.
Especially when, like, one of his good buddies going back 30 years is Sam Dixon, who definitely knows who all these people are, right?
It's a small world after all.
I think we're wrapping up here, at least we're getting to the end.
I did want to just highlight one other figure.
So, Jaron Taylor doesn't do it alone.
And, uh, there's this guy, Henry Wolfe, who is, uh, kind of, um, he guest hosts on the Radio Renaissance, is the podcast, again, the one I listen to every week.
He guest hosts from time to time.
Uh, he's a, um, he's a racist.
He's, uh, you know, he's impolite, you know, well-mannered, et cetera, et cetera.
Um, I don't know a whole lot about him.
He's just kind of one of these guys, but I do know a little bit more about a guy named Paul Kersey.
Does that name ring a bell to you at all?
Yeah, I saw that in your notes and I was going to ask you, is that actually his name or is that a nom de plume?
Because Paul Kersey is the name of Charles Bronson's character in the Death Wish movies.
Which is famously about somebody blowing away criminals in New York.
It's about a fed up white guy, I mean, you know, but it's about a fed up white man who sees the crime and degeneracy around him and just decides to go blow some people away.
Yeah.
That's the name he took.
I, you know, it's entirely possible it's his real name.
He's never been doxed.
As far as I know, there are no photographs of him.
But my guess is it's definitely a nom de plume there or a nom de podcast, whatever.
Nom de podcast.
I don't know a lot about Henry Wolfe.
I think he's connected to Identity Europa.
I've got to kind of dig into him a little bit, but I do know quite a bit about Paul Kersey.
Henry Wolfe sounds like a false name as well.
It sounds like an actor, Henry Wolfe.
Yeah, it could be.
I'm just not sure.
I haven't, I haven't, um, I didn't get the chance.
I just wanted to mention him because he does come on the podcast occasionally.
Um, like when Jared Taylor is traveling around, they want to put out a podcast every week.
So they, they just kind of, and they do like a very kind of news focus, just kind of covering a handful of stories and being like, yeah, this is all about race.
They talk a lot about like race, uh, like Oh yeah.
crime hoaxes quote unquote about you know where um the black people pretend that they were um you know assaulted and they they they had a whole meal on the jesse smollett case oh of course yeah months just digging over the details of that um because of course they did um anyway so this paul kersey figure paul kersey um he is someone who will definitely uh get very near to talking about the jews on the podcast but he's like i know he's very polite
he's like i i know mr taylor you don't you don't like to talk about that so much and this is um you know something kind of beyond the pale for this for this podcast but uh certainly uh you know there's a certain ethnic group that uh kind of perpetuates a lot of these lies against uh white people and uh you know so but we don't have certainly don't have to discuss that here um Um, Paul Kersey is, uh, a movie geek.
He, uh, likes his football, American football.
Um, he's a guy, he's, um, uh, you know, he's kind of interested in pop culture and kind of culture more generally.
That's definitely a false name, then, if he's a movie geek.
Yeah, no, he's definitely a movie geek.
He will talk about movies of the 70s.
Doesn't much care for black exploitation for some reason.
If he wasn't an awful racist, I'd probably have a lot in common.
We could sit and chat about movies sometime, but he's a vicious racist and thinks that Women are inferior and gay people are degenerate and all that sort of thing.
And so, like, I'm not looking to have a conversation with the guy.
But, you know, I feel, you know, an affinity for other people who like to watch old movies.
It's just sort of a thing.
Paul Kersey came to prominence originally writing a blog.
And I found this, the earliest save on the Internet Archive is from January 2010.
And it had already been up for about a year at that point.
Because there are archives going back to early 2009.
227 entries in 2009.
This blog is still updated, although it has been redirected to something called Unz Review.
That's kind of beyond the scope of this, but it's kind of one of the more sort of... Ron Unz is actually a Jewish person who basically runs an alt-right literary thing.
Unz Review is one of the first places that the original Discussion of the Alternative Right Concept by Paul Gottfried in 2009 was published.
So, very old school guy.
Paul Kersey's been at this since 2009, and his blog, in case you're interested in kind of old-school internet memes, is called Stuff Black People Don't Like, sbpdl.com.
His email address to this day is sbpdl1 at gmail.com.
If you want to go email him, he says that all the time on the podcast.
I am not, you know, doxing him or sending people his way or whatever.
He says all the time on Radio Renaissance.
Just to give you a sense, this entry, the first one that comes up, if you look at the earliest Internet Archive, from Sunday, January 17th, 2010, pants on the ground.
Thanks to American Idol, stuff black people don't like continues to show off our prescient ability of preparing the nation for the next cultural phenomenon that takes the country by storm.
Remember when we discussed black people's complete disgust at the prospects of belts almost three months ago?
And now, thanks to American Idol, people everywhere get to see black people in Atlanta at their finest.
And then it goes on to talk about how one of the figures on American Idol apparently...
Didn't wear a belt and his pants were sagging on the show and that just goes to show the obvious genetic and cultural inferiority of black people.
This blog has been updated, you know, a couple of times a week for a decade.
And it's entirely this kind of bullshit.
That's the entire thing.
It's all like we're telling the obvious truths about like what n-words are actually like and they're just these stupid blacks and they're just stupid and they just shouldn't be a part of our society and we just need to separate and look at all the welfare dollars that we spent on this and you know Paul Kersey is a guy who um you hear this sometimes uh kind of around the um around the kind of
Far right internet, but you know that we could have we could have gone to space if it hadn't been for You know the welfare programs and talk about how the Apollo program talk about Stokely Carmichael who?
you know protested the the 1969 moon launch kind of wrote in a donkey and saying I Very reasonable things like, well, our government is going to spend millions, or like a billion dollars going to the moon.
I support going to the moon, I support the Apollo program, etc, etc.
But, you know, the argument that we will spend all this money but not actually, like, feed poor black people, you know, etc, etc.
And the fact that he rides in on a donkey and makes a stunt out of it is like, And look at, you know, what white people are able to accomplish with this feat of technology that's literally going to go to space versus, you know, the black people literally riding donkeys.
The contrast could not be more clear, you see.
He made an entire meal of it.
If you remember the Hidden Figures film from a couple of years ago, where the African-American mathematicians, the African-American women, you know, working in the Apollo program.
He made an absolute shitshow of himself complaining about how inaccurate and terrible it is that the idea that some, you know, that some, again I'm going to use a bit of, you know, that some mulatto or Negress is going to be able to, you know, do this kind of higher math.
These are people, they were just doing instructions.
They were just doing, they were essentially just adding sums.
They were not doing real mathematics and certainly the program didn't depend Yeah, this is Paul Kersey.
He's a terrible, terrible, terrible human being.
He's one of my least favorite people in this movement.
He is absolutely terribly racist, really, really dumb, and he's probably going to be the next, you know, it definitely feels like he's being groomed to kind of take over American Renaissance when Jerry Taylor doesn't want to do it anymore.
That's my surmise there.
At least he's been the kind of regular co-host of the Amaran podcast for a couple years now.
Interestingly, again, he's never been doxed.
He's never been, as far as I know, he's never been photographed.
At least it's not a photograph that kind of identifies him.
And I think that's really interesting that he's been able to do this for 10 years and has not been found.
And I would like to, you know, suggest that anti-fascists who might be interested in finding this guy, send me a DM.
We'll just leave it at that, you know, I certainly would never support the open doxxing of people But you know been a white supremacist for like 10 years free prominent in the movement I think I think maybe people around him should know what kind of shit he gets up to yeah Yeah, I'd be interested to see if if he actually looks like Charles Bronson Yeah, I would imagine that's exactly why I imagine it's not you know Kind of a desire to go and like kill black people that makes him take that maybe it's
Maybe it's Liam Neeson.
Or Bruce Willis did the remake a couple of years ago.
Did he?
I didn't even know there'd been a remake.
Yeah, there was a remake and they whined about it because Bruce Willis didn't go around killing black people.
He went around killing more white people.
This is not an accurate representation on who's committing violent crime in Chicago.
I don't think, it's been a while since I saw it, but I don't think he kills just black people in the original actually.
No, no.
Jeff Goldblum is actually one of the hoods in the original Death Wish.
That's it, bonus episode, Death Wish.
No, we're not going to do that.
Actually, that might be kind of awful, but we'll see.
It might actually be kind of interesting to do a commentary or something on Death Wish.
I don't know.
Tell us, listeners.
Do you want to hear us do a commentary?
Do you want to hear us talk about how racist Death Wish is?
Because we've been looking to lighten the mood a little bit in terms of our conversations, and I think that might be a fun thing to do.
Yeah, so that's basically all I've got.
I do want to just kind of say, kind of wrapping up, we are going fortnightly moving forward with maybe some bonus content here and there, but kind of lighter episodes.
I consider the real work of this podcast to be in the show notes.
I highly recommend that if you have not gone through the show notes of the previous episodes, please do so and let me know if any links don't work or if there's an issue or if you find that I said something that I didn't document clearly enough.
Part of the goal here is to put all this in one place so that people can find it.
So yeah, please go check out the show notes.
There's a lot of great information there.
That we really don't even get to on the actual show.
Most of these episodes we have one or two links that I just forget to mention.
So, you know, it is worth kind of going through that.
Yes, indeed.
Okay, so next week, not next week, next two week, we are going to be doing Sam Harris, as we said.
Sam Harris and the Intellectual Dark Web, yep.
And the IDW, yippee!
And yeah, so until then, you can find me at underscore Jack underscore Graham underscore.
You can find Daniel at Daniel E Harper.
That's the best place to go to find all our stuff, because we have other stuff too, including other podcasts where we talk to each other about other things, if you can believe it or not.
Yeah, things that are not white nationalism, although sometimes connected to white nationalism.
We usually work it around to white nationalism, to be honest.
Yeah, so do that, and if you would like to get in touch with us, we'd be very happy to hear comments, suggestions, corrections, questions, etc.
We very much encourage you, as Daniel said, to look through the show notes.
And we very much encourage you to donate to our Patreons as well, because in all seriousness, it really genuinely does help us to do this work.
But if you don't, or you don't want to, or you can't do that, Thanks for listening.
Anyway, it really is appreciated that you just turn up and listen and Absolutely.
I mean certainly I mean we've kind of you know, we kind of fight about like or not fight but there's sort of a struggle of like not feeling like we want to you know, kind of make money off of awful people and sort of like like, you know, like that there were in some sense trying to be learned about it or That's not the point of this, but both Jack and I do incur costs in terms of doing this work, both in terms of literal financial costs and emotional and time costs.
You would be shocked at the number of hours I spend working on this every week.
A few bucks on Patreon does kind of give me that vote of support, so it is very much appreciated.
Yeah, I do want to thank my patrons and Daniels.
It is very encouraging and it does help.
You will be astonished to hear being funded to the tune of large amounts of money by Atlanta rich people.
No, it's Detroit.
It's the Detroit wealthy people.
That's right.
Yeah, we get the Soros check, of course.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that.
Yeah, so that's it for episode 19.
See you next Fortnite.
For episode 20.
Cheers, thanks a lot.
Bye.
And it's worth noting, I don't speak German, but I have been drinking a German beer all this episode, so... It's close enough.
Germans communicate mainly through beer.
Yeah, that's what I've learned.
Yeah, and sausages.
Beer and sausages.
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