This week, after many requests, Daniel and Jack take a look at cult-leader, ancap, blowhard, bullshit-artist, white-nationalist, misogynist, narcissist, and phoney-philosopher Stefan Molyneux. As always, warning apply. * Show Notes: Cantwell News! Chris Cantwell takes a break ...but not for long enough * Martin Sellner background (ironically, most of these links are in German): https://www.kleinezeitung.at/politik/innenpolitik/5607530/Identitaere_Martin-Sellner-klebte-Hakenkreuze-auf-Synagoge_Wollte https://kurier.at/politik/inland/identitaeren-chef-klebte-hakenkreuze-an-eine-synagoge/400457692 http://kuesselskameraden.blogsport.eu/2011/08/18/der-alpen-donau-dunstkreis/ https://www.nawartpress.com/were-not-nazis-say-austrias-sword-fighting-frat-boys-who-dream-of-a-germanic-europe/ * Stefan Molyneux, cult leader: Guardian article on Free Domain Radio, 'deFOOing', SM as cult-leader On SM as cult leader, FDR 'deFOOing', etc FDR Liberated - blog and forum for people who have escaped SM's influence; collates lots of info on SM FDR Liberated on Joe Rogan interviewing SM Stefan's wife, therapist Christina Papadopoulos, reprimanded by Ontario College of Psychiatrists for "professional misconduct" after encouraging SM's fans to sever connections with their families (i.e. 'deFOO'). SM later lied about this to Joe Rogan. Video from former Stefan fan detailing their disillusion * Stefan Molyneux, racist: The 100 Year March: A Philosopher in Poland Why I Was Wrong About Nationalism "An Honest Conversation About Race," with Jared Taylor "The Truth About Slavery" Stefan Molyneux on White Genocide in South Africa Interview with Lauren Southern Stefan Molyneux on Race and IQ Eric Turkheimer episode, October 2015 * Stefan Molyneux in Australia: "When Media Interview Goes Very Very Wrong!" * Recent Molyneux: SM is still giving internet therapy SM pushing eugenics Idiocracy-style SM is learning to play Minecraft from his daughter SM blames female suffrage for the invasion of white countries SM whines about antifascists opposing him Stefan Molyneux on the Gillette ad * Dirt and Debunks: Devastating review of SM's The Art of the Argument. And another. And another. Ben Burgis schools SM on what is and isn't an argument SM as anti-psychiatry and mental illness denialist SM at RationalWiki SM chronicled at We Hunted the Mammoth Descent of Manosphere on SM Potholer54 looks at SM's conversation with climate change denier Christopher Monckton Video documenting SM as liar and plagiarist Video on SM and IQ racism from The Serfs Video exposing SM as 'race realist' and white supremacist Video by José 'How Stefan Molyneux Repackages Social Darwinism' Sean debunks SM on Rome, the genocide of the Native Americans, and his ludicrous 'film criticism' re Star Wars and Wonder Woman and seriously just go watch every video by Sean. SM's video 'The Truth About Karl Marx' debunked
Welcome to episode 15 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast where blah-de-blah-de-blah-de-blah-de-blah.
Terrible people, but not us.
We talk about terrible people.
That's the gist of it.
You just heard Daniel.
How are you doing, Daniel?
I listened to about six hours of Stéphane Molyneux today, so you know.
So I take it you're inspired by the... I am inspired, I'm inspired by the blight, the blight, the bright, the blight, the blight, the bright flame of his reason and logic and evidence have just rendered me speechless and this is going to be a very pro-Stéphane Molyneux episode.
I think it's going to be very different than what people think it's going to be.
Yeah, I think people are expecting us to be You know he does an April Fool's episode every year and every year it's even more ridiculous than the last.
This year he claimed he was going to be running for high office in Canada.
Yeah, and put out like a 38-minute video and then at the end it was like, April Fools!
He wore a suit and everything.
It was, yeah.
It was great.
Well, it shows he's got a sense of humor, doesn't it?
Oh, yeah.
Well, that among many other things.
You don't know how delightful this man is.
I checked his Twitter feed, full of dad jokes.
Like, literally dad jokes.
Well, he is a dad, isn't he?
He is.
Which is a terrifying thought.
We're gonna get into that in a minute.
Even more terrifying thought that he's the father of a daughter.
Because he hates women so much.
He's doing Minecraft exploratory videos with his daughter, like adorable daddy-daughter internet time, only it's horrifyingly terrible versus Stefan Molyneux, who I'm sure is his lovely daughter, and they play Minecraft online together to his audience of 900,000 people.
I just find it.
I mean, I'm not necessarily saying there's anything wrong with that relationship.
I just find it worrying, you know, because this is a man with, the way I judge it, an intense animus towards anything female, you know.
I just find the idea chilling that he has anything to do with any woman ever, frankly.
It's pretty much an intense animus towards anyone that isn't a straight white male at this point, I think, so, you know.
Yeah.
A straight white cisgender male.
We're way ahead of ourselves here, but, like, there's just so much, there's so much Molyneux, it's just screaming out of the pores, so, you know.
Yeah, but before we get on to Mr. Molyneux, we do have, believe it or not, listeners, we do have some Cantwell news.
I hate that we do this in every episode, but, like, this was legitimately big enough to be worth reporting on, so, you know.
Um, Chris Cantwell, uh, he posted on his personal blog.
Now, first of all, since you heard my voice last, I have not heard Christopher Cantwell's voice since then.
Uh, that is not because I've decided to stop listening to him.
That's because he took a break!
So he's been on this, uh, kind of extended... That's good!
He could do with one.
I was so excited.
I was so excited for him, for me, for everybody.
Anyway, um, so he's...
He posts this thing.
He's been on this extended journey around the country, kind of traveling to meet his fans and supposedly doing some organizing.
Whatever.
I don't want to get into it, but he's been traveling around the country.
He posted a blog post, it's in the show notes, called Learning My Lesson.
And he basically says, you know, I've been neglecting to deal with some personal problems for a very long time.
I kept on telling myself that if I could just get beyond this or that obstacle, I would finally be able to decompress and lick my wounds and recover.
I need to stop, avoid recording devices, and pull myself together.
I'll be back as soon as I can be.
Lots of online speculation about what's going on here, most of which involve methamphetamine.
Most likely it's girl trouble, or he's just hated by everybody in the movement and just couldn't deal with the stress anymore.
And then a couple days ago, after all that conversation, he posts, the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
And he basically goes, yada yada yada, girl trouble, romantic problems, yada yada yada, and then God, at the end, he says, I have some lengthy audio already recorded, which I'll release next week, and I'll try to do that at least one live show as well.
Before the end of next week, I hope to make a more substantive announcement as to the broader future of my productions.
I thank you all for your patience and support, and I look forward to improving upon the important work we've done today.
Chris Cantwell, you have done no important work.
Please stay away.
Get a day job.
You will be happier.
The world will be better off without you in front of a microphone.
That's my plea to Christopher Cantwell.
He left for a week, a week and a half, and now he's coming back.
But in some unspecified format.
There's a lot of speculation about emotional issues or whatever.
Considering this man has put out three podcasts a week almost without fail for years, it was really kind of one of those like, oh, Chris Catwell has actually finally fallen apart.
That's sad for him, good for the world.
But he's coming back, or he says he is, so we'll see.
Yeah, as you say, I think it would be better if he just made it an indefinite holiday, really.
For himself as well as for everybody else.
But I suppose that was too much to hope for.
Clearly doing the show does not make him happy.
That's kind of what I get from listening to him.
Him doing it just makes him mad I mean one of the things that I mean I've been in conversation with some Former white nationalists in the last couple of weeks and one of the things that I mean it's fairly obvious But you know if you're in this mindset to where you can't go to a grocery store without seeing like Non-white people and getting like upset at their behavior or that they smell funny or whatever You're you're filled with this kind of constant kind of sense of like seething resentment towards just everyone around you and
And, um, it's just deeply, deeply unpleasant to live that way.
Um, and particularly if you're a content creator, if you're Chris Cantwell and you live in this world all the time, uh, you know, he can't be happy.
So, um, yeah, that's kind of, that's kind of the Cantwell news.
So I'll let you know when he comes back, or, I don't know, maybe he won't come back.
I would be really excited.
This might be the last time I ever have to say his name, so let's hope for that.
Yeah, let's hope this is the last ever edition of Cantwell News.
Anyway, moving on.
Moving on, exactly.
Now, last week we mentioned, sort of in passing really, Martin Sellner, the Austrian far-right leader of, is it Generation Identity or Identity Europa?
I keep getting them mixed up.
No, Generation Identity, Identity Europa is the American one, which we will do an episode about at some point in the unspecified future.
And we've had a communication.
Do we want to talk about the communication?
Yeah, so this person asked not to be identified for, I think, what are pretty clear reasons.
Not wanting to, you know, necessarily have to deal with the online thing that I deal with.
So I won't identify them.
But they did a ton of work in terms of, first of all, contacting me.
And letting me know that, you know, cause when I first did the when we did the episode, I kind of just threw in the oh, yes, Selenor is kind of a racist xenophobia is part of this identitarian movement in Austria and just kind of let it go.
I did not particularly get to the nub of what's important about Martin Sellner and made a couple of factual errors.
I'm going to read just a little bit.
This person wrote several pages with copious footnotes, and I've put some of their footnotes in our show notes.
Those are in German from Austrian sources, so do with that as you will, but there are some important photos included here.
Um, and I'm just going to, um, kind of summarize.
I'm going to read a little bit of this and then summarize the rest.
Selner and his identitarians aren't just generic racists or xenophobes.
They are actual neo-Nazis.
Swastikas, Holocaust denial, close ties to elite anti-Semitic intellectuals, brown shirt self-image, the complete package.
In fact, as far as Austria is concerned, Selner and his group are THE neo-Nazis.
They have either absorbed or displaced every other group in the movement.
Selner is the result of a conscious, methodical drive to update neo-Nazi aesthetics for the era of hipsters, YouTube, and Instagram.
The strategy and its high level of sophistication are well documented.
There are at least two entire books on the subject published in 2014 and 2018.
The Identitarians are one of the financial hubs of the Austrian far-right.
Sellner is under investigation for alleged tax evasion and for alleged money laundering on the behalf of allied groups.
The fact that the authorities started monitoring Sellner's bank accounts months ago is the reason we know about the donation he received from the Christchurch shooter.
Sellner is in seriously hot water here, his defenses becoming increasingly convoluted and looking increasingly desperate.
Um, now, some of this was kind of already known, just sort of like, I just didn't find it in my, like, cursory Google search.
Um, but some of it has come out since, uh, in the couple, in the weeks since the shooting.
Um, more kind of like, um, revelations have come out about this.
But, um, just, uh, referencing, um, the Christchurch shooter specifically.
The Identitarians' links to the Christchurch Chiller are a lot closer than originally reported.
For one thing, the Austrian Identitarian the shooter donated money to, Antonin also gave money to their French sister group and to a German activist whose neck of the woods he had visited.
Originally, Sellner claimed he had no idea who Tarrant was and certainly never even met the guy.
This is widely considered unlikely considering Tarrant's 2016 visit to Sellner's allies in Slovenia and his 2018 visit to Vienna, the city Sellner was living in at the time.
Sellner further claimed that Tarrant must have been a double agent trying to discredit the Identitarians.
The conspiracy theory also somehow involves a mysterious bed of food poisoning.
So, um...
It's a giant clusterfuck.
Selner is obviously, A, obviously a fucking Nazi, which I didn't hit hard enough on in the last episode, but also very clearly floundering in his defense and has some kind of deeper ties to Tehran than I necessarily was aware of, and that wasn't aware, that really hadn't come out at the time that we had recorded that episode.
I guess we'll kind of keep posted on that, and this source of mine, any other news that comes out of Austria, I will definitely be reaching out.
So, awesome.
Yeah, and very, very big thanks to our anonymous source there for getting in touch and doing all this work and giving us this information.
Thank you very much.
Yes.
No, no, definitely.
Any corrections or addendums that you would like to give to this show, I am completely 100% on board with, because there's no way I can cover it all.
So thank you again for that.
Very, very... I expected a couple of paragraphs with a couple of links.
Now, this was way, way above the Call of Duty, and I appreciate every bit of it, so thank you very much.
Yeah, but now moving on to the main topic of this episode.
Can't even start talking about him without Daniel breaking into a fit of laughter.
I think people are really excited for this one, and I have no idea what they're going to think of the finished product, honestly.
Yeah, I think people are probably going to be a bit disappointed, really.
I mean, I've had sort of encouragement on Twitter saying, yeah, roast him, you know.
I don't know if people are going to get what they want out of this, because I'm not... I mean, we come to bury, not to praise, let's say that, but I don't think we're really going to be interested in bothering to sort of actually analyse anything this guy says, are we?
So we're doing Stéphane Molyneux.
Stéphane Molyneux, yes.
So there are a couple of issues here that are worth noting.
One is that my kind of standard thing when I start prep for one of these episodes Uh, is I just kind of immediately go and archive all the, like, easy-to-archive content that I can have for them.
Um, just so it just kind of goes into my little black box of, uh, beautiful racist shit.
Uh, Stefan Molyneux's YouTube channel, as of the time that I did that, uh, a few weeks ago, had 3,013 videos, most of which were north of an hour, most of which are north of two hours.
Uh, That level of content production, and that goes back something like 10 years, that level of content production would mean that doing the appropriate deep dive on Molyneux would mean it's on the scale of the entire rest of the thing I've been doing for two years.
It would take me literally years doing nothing else just to plow through all of Molyneux's stuff.
And trust me, he's not worth it.
The other thing is that plenty of other people, because he's such a huge figure, plenty of other people have already debunked him many, many, many times.
Go to YouTube and look for Stefan Molyneux debunked.
You will find many, many examples of this.
You will indeed find some of the best in the show notes because I've collated them.
Yeah, so normally when Jack and I are prepping these, like a little bit before we record the show, I send him a set of links and talking points and things that sort of guide the way the show's going to go.
In this case, Jack actually did it to me before I even had the chance to really start compiling, because there's just so much material on this guy.
And so I think it's worth noting that we're really going to skim the surface on this because he's been well covered.
I do want to get into detail on some of the things that he's been doing lately, and in particular I want to defend the statement, Stéphane Molyneux is a white nationalist, which is something that I kind of say pretty regularly on Twitter, and I do want to kind of justify that here in this episode.
I'm going to kind of focus on that and just kind of give kind of the big picture on some of the rest of it, if that works out for the audience.
Hopefully people will enjoy that.
Hopefully, yeah.
But Stefan Molyneux, he's been, yeah as you say, he's been on YouTube for a very long time now.
Almost as long as there's been a YouTube.
I mean he was podcasting, I think he was podcasting before like podcasting was even really easy to do.
I think his earliest podcast episodes go back to like 2005 and really like you don't get kind of easy podcasting apps and you know stuff until at least 2007 so he was doing this back in like the internet radio days this is just he's been at this forever and that's part of what makes him so huge is that he's he's this sort of formative figure he's kind of like the alt-rights uncle or something you know he's he's kind of he's kind of just always been there and he's this sort of like dominant
Presence that everybody in this movement, even if they don't really like Molyneux, know who he is.
They're familiar with his content.
And so he's just kind of part of the water they swim in.
It's just sort of Molyneux's content.
Yeah, and he's almost a personification in one person.
Of the phenomenon of the libertarian to alt-right pipeline, which we've talked about before.
Even more than Cantwell, and he has a similar kind of trajectory to Cantwell.
We'll get into that in a minute, but yeah.
Yeah, because Cantwell, I mean, still sometimes talks about being a libertarian in some sense, doesn't he?
Well, so does Molyneux, to be fair.
Well, yeah, but this is one of the problems we're talking about with Molyneux, because he's so completely inconsistent.
He just contradicts himself all the time.
But his trajectory is very much that he started out as a libertarian, voluntarist, anarcho-capitalist, whatever.
And then he took the Trump turn, didn't he?
Very much into white nationalism, as you say.
So he's almost like the syndrome personified.
It's really fascinating to me because one of the things I did was I went and listened to, I kind of just picked episodes and just kind of played a whole bunch of them.
Just to, you know, kind of out of order, just to kind of get a sense of like where he was previously.
And if you listen to him in like 2014, he sounds, his whole sense of priorities have shifted.
And I think part of that might be the sort of Trump catalyst effect but I think there's just a sense in which he's either chasing an audience that kind of went full-fash or he himself was converted and it's always a challenge particularly with people who are so invested in the kind of the the money-making that they get off of this stuff as to like what they really believe and what is just kind of chasing a dollar.
But you can definitely hear You know, for instance, he's done a ton of videos about interviews with scientists and various people about IQ and the kind of race and IQ question.
And he did, I was surprised to find this, that he did one interview with this guy Eric Turkheimer.
And this is, the whole playlist is in the show notes and I've definitely highlighted this episode.
This was done in October 2015.
Now, Turkheimer is an IQ researcher.
He has done a lot of research into sort of the race IQ debate.
He is one of the people who has published papers.
He's been published in Vox about this conversation, and he's really one of the good guys.
I mean, he's a guy who researches this stuff.
He believes that IQ is real, that it's heritable, but he's got all these sort of You know, qualifications around that, and he's definitely kind of, you know, on the right side of this issue.
And we are going to do, again, a whole episode on the race and IQ question, so we'll kind of get into the details of that as we move forward.
But Molly does the conversation with Turkheimer, and this is fairly early in his kind of doing conversations with people about IQ.
He had interviewed Flynn, James Flynn, who is the guy who coined the term Flynn Effect, and Flynn Effect is the noticeable trend in which basically IQs around the world in every country have been increasing at a monotonic rate for as long as we've been measuring IQ.
Across all demographics.
Across all demographics, yes, exactly.
To slightly varying degrees, it kind of depends.
And nobody is quite sure, like, why this is.
There are lots of competing hypotheses.
But Flynn, you know, went on Molyneux's show.
You know, kind of early on, back when, you know, Molyneux was kind of a smaller figure, I think, you know, Flynn didn't know who he was.
He just kind of went on to kind of discuss, oh, we're just going to have a reasoned conversation about, like, a technical topic to a general audience.
Later on, he was asked about Molyneux once he knew who Molyneux was, and Flynn described him.
Sorry, I don't have the link in front of me, but he did not have kind words to say.
I think he described him as a hanger-on, you know, someone who's clinging to relevance by pretending to be as smart as the people who actually have expertise in these topics, which is very apt.
But anyway, he interviews Turkheimer.
This is after he had already interviewed Charles Murray.
Charles Murray is the author of The Bell Curve.
And, you know, Molyneux both has very nice things, you know, kind of responds to Charles Murray, gives him kind of a soft interview, and kind of agrees with everything he says, and then Turkheimer comes on and he kind of agrees with everything Turkheimer says, and it's, you know, it's a very kind of a loose kind of thing, and Turkheimer's definitely, like, everything Turkheimer has to say is like, yeah, Charles Murray is full of shit, but, like, he's a professional, he can't actually say it in that many words, because he has to at least, you know,
I don't want to put words in Turkheimer's mouth, but it's pretty clear that Turkheimer disagrees strongly with Charles Murray on almost all of Charles Murray's major conclusions.
So the fact that Molyneux is bringing both of them on at separate times and agreeing with both of them reflects a certain openness, a certain degree of Either that's just sort of the angle he was taking, or he's in kind of the headspace of, like, he really was trying to figure it out at that point.
As things go on, you never see him interviewing anyone like Turkheimer ever again.
It's always someone from a far-right, hereditary and race and IQ perspective.
He's done interviews with people about, you know, black crime rates, and he, like, quotes all the talking points.
And as you kind of go on further and further down that line, you get further and further into kind of explicitly hereditary and like white nationalist talking points until you can... He interviewed Jerry Taylor, Jerry Taylor of American Renaissance and the New Century Foundation, who is an absolute white nationalist.
Um, who literally said, in the interview that I re-listened to today, Jerry Taylor says the words, like, this is, uh, right before the Trump election, this is October 2016, and he says, you know, we don't know if Trump's gonna be elected, but what I really like about him is that he combines this sort of, like, socialist impulse to take care of people with a strong nationalism.
I think that's a really nice thing.
That's the thing that I really like about Donald Trump.
And Molyneux noted libertarian anarcho-capitalist Stéphane Molyneux goes, yeah, I kind of agree with that.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's the kind of, that's Jerry Taylor's opinion of... Jerry Taylor and Stéphane Molyneux's opinion of Donald Trump in October 2016 is that he would be the good kind of socialist, the nationalist kind of socialist.
Yeah, I've heard that before somewhere.
Yeah.
And it's not a slip of the tongue.
I mean, Jared Taylor repeats it twice.
It's amazing.
I was like, whoa, holy shit.
Nazi Jared Taylor.
Wasn't expecting that to come up in today's research, but there it was.
But yeah, one of the problems with talking about Molyneux is that he is just radically inconsistent and incoherent.
I mean, he agrees.
I mean, he went on Alex Jones Show.
He was interviewed by Alex Jones.
And Alex Jones is coming out with like crazy shit.
And Molyneux is saying, yes, yes, I agree.
And then he will go off on his own tangent.
And it's really got very little to do with anything Jones just said.
And I've seen Molyneux do that several times.
He's been on Joe Rogan and he does the same thing.
He does it when he interviews people as well.
He just, and he does it to himself.
He sort of agrees with himself and then contradicts himself a little bit later.
It's really, the man is not, he's not consistent or coherent at all.
He just says whatever.
He has a talent for word salad, I think.
And this is something that Jordan Peterson also kind of does.
And I think, you know, not to connect it, Trump kind of has the same phenomenon where
Um, you know, he's kind of got certain talking points down, and then he kind of drifts off into this sort of, like, almost free association of, you know, kind of, like, vaguely connected logic that sounds like he's saying something, but doesn't actually cohere into anything, and then, like, at the end he gets back to the, like, kind of grounded talking points that he kind of has more firmly, and you think that he's made some connection from one to the other, but really there's, you know, 20 minutes of just nothing.
In the midst there, and you know, that's where the disconnection arises.
I mean, some of that is kind of speaking extemporaneously.
Some of that is just kind of the nature of, like, you know, human speech.
But, like, this is also a guy who produces, like, several hours of content.
You know, like, something like 10 to 20 hours of content a week.
Then again, it goes back to that process that I was talking about last week.
This idea that this world kind of envelops people who kind of get involved because there's always more content to consume.
Molyneux kind of is that by himself.
That's why it's the perfect because his business model is basically just pump out content keep on pumping out content and his content is essentially just him talking so that it's the perfect business model for somebody like him just this inveterate.
Bullshitter who just says whatever sounds good in his own head or what he thinks is going to sound good to the punters at any given moment.
Just keep the camera switched on.
Keep on talking.
There you go.
I've been going for 40, 50 minutes.
There's another episode.
Just stick it up and righteously fume if anybody calls you inconsistent.
There's also this thing, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or NLP, which I'm not sure where the status of the hard science is on this, so don't take me too seriously.
There's a cadence that some of these guys get to that gets stuck in your head.
Molyneux is very, very good at that.
If you listen to him at normal speed, he's Got a very deliberate tone you see and he kind of rises and falls in particular patterns and there's a there's a sense of you know whereas you know me I just kind of talk into a microphone and joke around and like you know I'm not I'm not looking to kind of convince people by you know like intoning at them.
Um, but I think that is an intentional thing that's going on with Molyneux, um, in terms of, and that, that's where I think some of the, uh, which will, I think we're, we're kind of edging towards that.
That's where some of the, um, cult leader aspects seem to come from.
It's just that, that kind of ability that he has to just envelop people in, in this sort of like pseudo logic and with his voice and kind of personality, there's a totality, um, a totalism there that, that some of these guys are able to, um, exude.
And, and I think Molyneux is definitely one of them.
Yes.
And another one, another part of his shtick is to stare unblinkingly into the camera for long periods of time, you know, to fix you with what I suppose he imagines is sort of this intense Rasputin stare.
They say, don't they, that the leader of a cult is also a member of a cult?
Right.
Well, I mean, there's no one more in love with Molyneux than Molyneux.
That's that's pretty obvious.
I will I will say I mean again one of the things that I do to kind of distance myself from this is I do play these guys at high speed both to get through the material faster so I can absorb more material to be clear and so that you know I'm less kind of Absorbed by that kind of technique, because he's not the only one who does something similar to that.
Cantwell is kind of terrible at it, but Cantwell tries.
It is worth, I think, slowing Molyneux down or, you know, just taking a short bit of it every now and again to just really pay attention to what he's actually saying, because he's not, you know, a great deal of the time he's not saying anything, but he says it and Metaphors and similes and things will just tumble past you and it's just gibberish a lot of it if you actually stop to think about it it's just gibberish.
Right.
And so much of it is, you know, kind of like unsourced or half-sourced facts, or it's he's kind of drawing a connection.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of this that there really is no there there.
And this is a guy who, like, he wrote a book about the art of the argument.
And, you know, the idea being that he has invented a new form of symbolic and formal logic.
that will allow you to build the kind of best version of your life or whatever and allow you to reach the kind of correct conclusions.
And the second, anyone with any kind of background and actual form of logic got a hold of it is like he's not even consistent about the terms he uses.
Like that's one thing.
I took a couple of classes in symbolic logic.
I mean way back in the day.
You have to use terms consistently.
It's like mathematical syllogisms.
You can't change your language.
You've got to use the same word over and over and over again, which is not fun writing and not fun reading, but like it's the way this shit works.
And Molyneux can't keep himself straight for three paragraphs.
He's already kind of off I was just going to say, I have a degree in English and Philosophy.
One of the modules I took was Formal Logic.
I wasn't particularly good at it, I had to re-sit the exam.
But I did pass, but it was a long time ago, and I wasn't very good at it, etc.
etc.
etc.
Even I know what valid means in terms of logical arguments.
He gets valid and sound wrong.
He defines them for himself and then doesn't use either the real meaning or his invented meaning consistently.
Exactly.
He wrote and published a book about logic where he defines the word valid wrongly in terms of a valid argument.
Yeah, and there's a link to a logician taking this apart in the show notes.
I know that you have that one, Jack.
Several amusingly negative links to reviews.
You could go down the deep dive of people throwing shit on to Molyneux in our show notes.
I can assure you there's plenty of that.
Like, um, we were talking about his, um, his style of speaking extemporary.
Um, when he does more structured videos, he often openly plagiarizes people.
Um, for instance, in the, the big video that he did about, uh, modern parallels with ancient Rome, there's a wonderful video by Sean where he just absolutely fucking takes that to pieces and loads of it is just, openly plagiarized um from uh go watch the videos in the show notes and there's another video in the show notes which documents him doing very much the same thing on another topic
um i i think a lot of those like the truth about videos like what i gather um is that he does have some like researchers some interns or i don't know maybe cult members who know you know uh anyway um he's got some people who kind of put together that research for him um i get the impression just from like watching the vids that a lot of this he's kind of seeing
for the first time like i don't feel like this is like he's put together a presentation as much as he's reading a powerpoint that someone else has prepared and then like just sort of riffing on it um that's what a lot of these i mean i i re-watched one like the truth about slavery and it's full and i put it in the show notes so you can watch it if you want to but it's full of you know
You know, uh, all the, all the, like, super right-wing talking points of, like, actually, white people were the first slaves, and the, uh, term originally comes from Slav, bet you didn't know that, and, uh, white people ended slavery, and let me list all the, uh, years in which all these European countries ended slavery, and only two countries actually had to, uh, actually had to fight a war over slavery, and that was the United States and Haiti, and boy, those didn't go well, did they?
And it's like, oh my god, you fucking...
Chud.
I mean, it's literally just a list of... it feels like a list of, like, Wikipedia facts, you know?
It talks for 45 minutes, and obviously it's completely disconnected, and, like, it's one of those, like, well, we'll get to this down the line next episode, but a lot of it is, like, true things that are completely out of context and meaningless, you know?
And irrelevant, yeah.
Right.
Or open distortions.
Like in the truth about the Native American genocide, you know where he again, there's another video by Sean where he takes that to pieces, right?
I mean one of the things that I really like with these guys is when someone does didn't kind of do the deep dive on like no Let's fact-check till this one video and do a full like debunking of it to demonstrate as sort of like a microcosm of the whole that You could do this to any one of these videos.
And with Molyneux, almost any topic that he's touched, there are a dozen people who have done debunkings of various quality on them.
But it's definitely a thing that I enjoy seeing, and that's just kind of not what we're doing here.
We're kind of giving you the big picture on Molyneux.
eventually we'll do the race and iq episode and that will like stand in for that for for molyneux but um yeah um i think it's worth i mentioned um cult a couple of times and i i do want to kind of cover that um here if if you're okay with kind of transition to that um this is something that's been well known for for i mean a decade um there's a There's quite a good piece of The Guardian, and again, this is in the show notes, literally titled, You'll Never See Me Again.
And, you know, the subheading is, Barbara Weed's son, Tom, 18, cut himself off from his family after getting drawn into a controversial online community.
She has not seen him since.
This is absolutely worth a read.
It's kind of a slice-of-life story about, you know, nobody really knew who Molyneux was at that point.
He's just this kind of weird, obscure guy on the internet.
But this 18-year-old kid just stops talking to his family.
Just completely did and and even you know literally this woman says like she knew where her son worked And if she went like he works it like a tea shop So if she wouldn't ordered a cup of tea he would be forced to talk to her for like a minute that the minute that it took him to make the cup of tea in the process of doing his job and then he would let's just refuse to talk to her anymore and This is a process that Molyneux describes as defooing.
That's D-F-O-O.
F-O-O is family of origin.
And the basic concept seems to be that Molyneux feels that, or felt at the time anyway, that family relationships are inherently coercive.
that being invested in a family is kind of this inherent thing that, like, interferes with your sort of free ability to kind of move about your life as an independent person, and that family relationships are almost inherently abusive, and that that abuse ultimately causes kind of any and that that abuse ultimately causes kind of any kind of general problem that you have in your life.
I say he used to kind of – he doesn't really kind of talk about this much anymore.
He still does online therapy sessions.
One of the things I did in preparing for this episode was just kind of watch a few of the most recent episodes just to kind of see what he's doing, like, today.
There's literally a – I'm going to kind of read the title here, but there's literally one released, you know, three days ago as we're recording this.
I blew over $100,000 on prostitutes, and I'm lonely!
And this is a part of the – there's a free domain radio, which is the name of his, you know, blog, network, radio show, whatever – There's a call-in show, so essentially you can get on Skype and call into this guy and he'll sit and talk to you for two and a half hours about whatever your kind of emotion, basically giving like his version of therapy.
Stefan Molyneux is not a licensed therapist.
His wife is.
His wife is, and got brought up on ethical charges.
She encouraged his listeners to sever connections with their families and she was found guilty of professional misconduct by the Ontario College of Psychiatrists, which he subsequently lied about.
Believe it or not, on Joe Rogan's show, Joe Rogan was the voice of reason.
That should tell you something.
I know, I know.
Although this was back in the days before Joe Rogan had gone quite as far off the deep end as he has today.
Anyway, don't get me wrong, he was still kind of a chet, but 2015 did a number on a lot of these guys.
You watch this video like literally the first thing Stefan Molyneux and I didn't watch the whole thing I kind of skimmed through it just to kind of see kind of what the tone was.
Literally the first thing he says is so tell me about your mother and then when the guy starts talking about like I was I was upset and you know whatever and then you know he kind of he blames himself and he said well why are you blaming yourself for something your mother did?
I mean it's it's this very like kind of concrete I mean he so he's still doing this shit like it's not he's just kind of de-emphasizing it right?
Well, con men keep doing the shtick that works, don't they?
Right, right, yeah.
And I mean, if this guy's, you know, call... I mean, I can't imagine, like, what it would take to actually kind of get on the, you know, like, supposedly, like, you can just kind of, like, give him your Skype and say, this is my issue and I've kind of got going on.
I would believe that the people who had kind of given him a lot of donations probably get, you know, like, bumped up that queue.
It would be really interesting to kind of, like, get on that process and see if I could get on a show and see exactly what that process is like.
I'm not willing to go to that level for Stefan Molyneux.
I've got other things to do, but I would wonder.
I don't have any direct evidence of that, but I would wonder if you're encouraged to make a few donations along that process.
Oh, I'm quite sure you are, because it's worth saying that he is apparently a financial con man.
I mean, he seems to be, according to some evidence, very, very rich.
He's a Bitcoin millionaire, apparently.
He was a software, like, he had like a small-sized software company, kind of a mid-level software company in the 90s, and apparently cashed that out and then kind of started this empire after that.
So, and Molyneux, you know, I was thinking about it today, kind of listening to him for a while, it's like, yeah, you definitely sound like a guy who got rich in software in the 90s, kind of that like, you know, Yeah.
around in a polo shirt and a lanyard and just kind of that pontificating boss who just kind of got fuck you money and decided to start a cult that's exactly what balling himself yeah yeah and he continues to you know e-beg from his followers constantly yeah there's a there's a twitter it's like a neo-nazi bitcoin wallets and uh kind of tracks like the known wallets of some of these guys and like kind of all the transactions that have gone on
and uh if you uh kind of go and look through their feed and kind of find molyneux i mean he's gotten millions of dollars worth of bitcoin even at like current prices like so so i mean you know molyneux is it has made millions off of his donations alone just just off of bitcoin let alone whatever they're giving him in in you know actual money Yeah, but he will continue to tell his followers that the site, which is entirely funded by listener donations, needs your help.
Right, which is like such the standard thing that, you know, I mean, you know, all these guys are grifters on that level, you know.
Yeah, it's still, it's still scummy though, isn't it?
Yeah, no, no, and Molyneux is particularly bad about it because he is, I mean, he does have that kind of independent sense of wealth, I mean, um, yeah, no, it's, you know, begging for money is, is, uh, It's a thing.
It's what you do on the internet.
Hey, you notice I have a Patreon.
Go put a dollar in there.
Yeah, me too.
No, I mean, you're saying he starts off with, you know, tell me about your mother.
This guy is...
Quite scary on the subject of women or at least I don't know if he's dialed this back a little bit recently but if you go back to some of the older stuff I mean he has talked about his mother in homicidally hateful terms.
I didn't look at that angle but yeah go ahead tell me what you tell me what you found.
Well I mean he's talked about the fact that he's talked about wanting to murder her you know and people and saying he said to people well the only reason she's still alive is because it's precisely because she was my mother and if there wasn't a If there wasn't that connection, you know, I would have murdered her.
Stuff like that.
But then, I was going to say, you can't trust anything this guy says, because he gives all sorts of, as I say, incoherent and inconsistent accounts.
You know, he talks about having been raised in poverty, and then he talks about having gone to public school.
He talks about his family having this wonderful heritage of high IQ, and then he talks about how there's insanity in his family.
Those two things are not necessarily, I mean, you know, one of the things that high IQ does like track with like schizophrenia, for instance.
But in his understanding of the world, he's talking about, you know, good heritage, isn't it?
Right.
I mean, it's hard to it's hard to sort of take.
I mean, certainly, you know.
One of the kind of things that I've kind of come across from following these guys at all is this kind of conception of, like, just assume they're always lying.
Like, they're lying unless I have two sources that independently verify their shit.
And so, you know, everything always kind of comes with a caveat.
But yeah, I mean, Molyneux kind of talking about his past or his home life or even his motivations is sort of, you know, is always kind of fuzzy.
On the on the kind of like the misogyny question and uh you know Stefan Molyneux probably most came to fame kind of in that like 2012 to 2015 era as part of that kind of larger manosphere is this sort of like misogyny and he's still kind of.
Um covers that stuff, you know, he still kind of comes back to that occasionally, but he's he's kind of moved on into The kind of more explicitly racial like white genocide stuff but the Again, kind of one of the more recent videos.
I'm just gonna and and again I just wanted to pull up something that he's doing right now that sort of like justifies, you know, what he's been doing and He put up a video two weeks ago, as of this recording, Thought Bites, Women, Open Borders, and Warfare.
This is a 9 minute and 58 second video, so this is one that he intends people to actually watch all the way through, I assume.
Which I did.
Come on, it's almost two Sargons.
Yeah, it's a little bit less than two Sargons, so Sargon got halfway through it, I guess.
No.
The argument that he makes here, it's an anti-women's suffrage argument, because what happens is women are more prone to want to be kind to outsiders, to people who might kind of provide resources or whatever because of their kind-hearted biological nature to be nurturing, etc.
And men, because they are more apt to be sent to war, are more apt to be defensive and to want to kind of defend their own family and to be much harder towards outsiders and outgroups.
And then he goes into kind of RK selection theory and yada yada yada and argues that if women weren't allowed to vote, we would not have The migrant crisis in Europe and in the United States, and so therefore nationalism requires that women not be allowed to vote.
You'll recognize this if you have spent any amount of time in the larger Manosphere, is exactly what every single one of these chuds was saying in 2014, except it's now kind of got a little bit of an open Nazi vibe, which it kind of did then, but like this is pretty explicit.
And again, this is a vicious, vicious misogyny built around this entire ideology.
Everything that he's always said, if you ever want to say, oh he's not really a misogynist anymore, whatever, this was posted two weeks ago.
Yeah, so he's still doing it, you know.
I was amazed at the degree at which all the things that I kind of wanted to talk about with this guy were literally on his Twitter feed or in his posts, in his videos, Just on the front page, just easily findable.
You know, there's usually a sense of like these guys kind of moving away from previous positions or you kind of have to dig a while to kind of find some of this stuff.
No, it was right there.
It's just it's just right there with Molyneux.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
If anything, he's in the last couple of years, I think he's gotten more open about it, to be honest.
Well, he's definitely gone.
He's definitely moved further towards this sort of like open white nationalism.
And yeah, we'll definitely kind of Kind of get to that.
I mean, I think we kind of covered a little bit of the, you know, it does seem like the race and IQ stuff was really kind of where he went in that direction.
And, um, the logic that, you know, he kind of gives, I mean, there's a video again linked in the show notes if you want to watch it, you know, um, it's, uh, why I was wrong about nationalism.
And, uh, in this, I think, 50 minute video, I don't have the video up in front of me, but I have the, I just have the link there.
Uh, if you if you watch the video, he literally is talking about, you know, the people who I am a private property, libertarian, small government kind of guy, and the people who vote and the people who support those kinds of values just happen to be white men.
And so I want to be surrounded in a society with white men and not.
People of other races and ethnicities and genders.
Or he only believes in men and women.
But, you know, he says, you know, if it was green-haired women who supported small government, I would be in favor of being around green-haired women.
But it's not the case, and so, therefore, I want to live in a society that's largely run by white men.
This is the exact, I mean, this is basically the logic, in a nutshell, of the Libertarian to Alt-Right pipeline, like, right there.
This is the exact argument that Cantwell will give, this is the exact kind of justification that, like, a whole lot of these guys give when you kind of ask them, like, so what brought you from Libertarianism to To fascism, basically.
And the answer is, well, you know, I wanted to keep my tax money, I wanted to keep my taxes low, and brown people want to take my tax money, and so let's just get rid of them.
So that's the nexus point, isn't it?
Right there.
I mean, this is an older video, but I've got it linked in the show notes, so you can go watch it and make sure that I'm not oversimplifying, but trust me, I'm not.
Yeah.
If you believe that certain kinds of political or socio-political beliefs are essentially hard-coded in your heredity, then a lot of this just follows from there.
While I want to live in this particular kind of society, only this kind of person really is ever going to support this for yada yada genetics, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, etc.
et cetera, et cetera.
And, uh, therefore if I want to have, if I want to live in this kind of society that I have to live around people who are very much like me and, um, that's going to mean like outright exclusion of other people.
And I mean, you know, Hans Hermann Hoppe, a democracy, the God that failed explicitly stated right there.
And, you know, that's, that's hugely influential book for a whole lot of these guys, you know?
Absolutely.
And it's just, it's just kind of right there.
I mean you see like hints of this in like Rothbard.
I mean you see it in like the Ron Paul, the racist Ron Paul newsletters.
I mean this is, this is the libertarian to alt-right pipeline like, like right there in a nutshell.
Yeah, absolutely.
And Stefan Molyneux is one of these people who does this more in sorrow than in anger sort of thing.
This, this performance of sadness about the whole thing.
I think he does it on, I think he did an interview with Dave Rubin And he does it on there we does this all you know i hated it makes me so sad and unhappy and angry that when i realized that you know some people are just naturally clever than others and it goes through all these all these statistics about.
All these different racial groups and their average iqs and stuff and he says you know it makes me so unhappy i hated it i didn't want it to be true.
And that's something you see from a lot of these guys, where, you know, they do want to say, like, oh no, I don't like this idea, I don't want this to be true, but unfortunately it is, and if we're going to, you know, kind of look at reality square in the face, we have to accept these uncomfortable truths, which is, of course, the exact psychology of the red pill.
That's it, yeah.
And a very clear illustration, I think, of this shift in, I don't think shift in ideology really, but shift in the way he performs his shtick, is him going on this Polish national identity march, or whatever it was, and bursting into tears about his people, apparently on the basis of the fact that his first name is Stefan.
Did you re-watch that or have you seen that video?
I re-watched it today and oh wow.
It's uh, you know, unfortunately I was I was told when that kind of first came out that he actually said the words, I am a white nationalist and I was really like kind of hoping when I was really looking for like that little moment where I could just like point people to it.
He technically never says I'm a white nationalist.
He says for a long time I was very skeptical of white nationalism and you know identity politics and white identity politics etc etc but uh and then he kind of goes off and sort of like It says, but dot, dot, dot, and goes on sort of a tirade about the meaning of freedom and the protection of freedom requiring future generations to stoke the flame, etc.
And basically kind of drives the support.
It's like, I have now changed my opinion.
I used to be against this, but now I'm for it.
But I didn't say it in that many words, and therefore you can't pin that label on me.
Yeah I can't remember if it's the same video but he does this thing where he sort of where he sort of says well you know I've been very critical of white nationalism but I'm an empiricist and there I was in Poland and there's no crime and nobody gets called a racist.
I mean, if you're going to watch one bit of Stéphane Molyneux, it's probably that video because it's just such all the douchebaggery of Stéphane Molyneux in one little bit.
I mean it absolutely like once he says I'm not a white national or I I was very skeptical of white nationalism but dot dot dot and then let me repeat 20 white nationalist talking points about crime.
Look it's it's it's you know I I just want homogeneous societies you know there is there is a a value to this there is a there's an honor to this unlike the you know multicultural west you know and um
There is something to the one of the things that I chatted that I mentioned with in the episode with Samantha Kuttner is you know kind of Gavin McInnes and is a you know, he has this like squid ink effect, you know where when you when you ask him a Pointed question about this stuff he just starts like kind of memeing and dissembling and just kind of like throwing chum in the water to distance himself from having to really answer the question and There's a great example of this.
There's, again, a link in the show notes.
This is like the most link-heavy episode ever.
You know, when media interview goes very, very wrong!
And it's an interview with, it looks like kind of a pre-interview that they set up a camera for, released for some reason, because it's really just kind of like a just sort of an Australian journalist kind of sitting and asking kind of basic background questions.
And this is when Molyneux and Lauren Southern, who have been doing a lot of shit together lately, basically around kind of the white genocide bullshit, white genocide in South Africa stuff.
And they had traveled to Australia and they tried to travel to New Zealand.
New Zealand didn't let them in because New Zealand is a good country.
So in this interview, like at the very beginning, so the guy basically, the journalist sits down and he says, you know, he's got kind of a list of questions and he's got some notes.
And, you know, he's very casually, I mean, not in that like an accusatory way.
And he's like, so you guys wouldn't call yourselves like white supremacists.
So like, what would you call yourselves?
And immediately, Stéphane Molyneux is on the 100% defensive.
Like, why would you think that we would call ourselves that?
That's certainly not, that's just a smear that you and the media are using against us.
Yada, yada, yada.
I don't think I have a label.
You should call me a philosopher, an empiricist.
I'm a person who's like examining facts and evidence and coming to reasonable conclusions.
I don't believe I should have a label.
And then Lauren Southern kind of responds and she's like, you know, we'll do an episode on Lauren Southern, believe me.
But, you know, in kind of similar language in the more, you know, I kind of take my beliefs from all over the political spectrum and, you know, I can't control who follows me or who retweets me.
And a lot of these are bots and kind of people that are designed to make me look bad anyway.
And it's just this very, you know, and you can watch that interview.
And, I mean, the guy gets very little usable information out of them because it just becomes this, like, sparring battle from Molyneux mostly, but a little bit of Lauren Southern.
Just, you know, picking on the guy and just, you know, completely kind of refusing to really engage with the concept of the question.
Like challenging the assumptions that are built into it in a way that's like spinning the narrative in his way.
And Molyneux is very good at it in kind of that context.
And I think partly it's because the journalist really is just kind of trying to, you know, trying to understand them and trying to, I mean, he's giving them softballs ultimately.
It's like, so you don't want to be called white supremacist, what do you want to be called?
And then like to get like berated for 15 minutes over Right, right.
It's just sort of this, you know, it's just the standard strategy these guys use.
But Molyneux is particularly bad about it.
And also, they're always so desperate to play the victim as well, aren't they?
Right, right.
You're victimizing me by saying you know I would not like to be called a white supremacist.
Okay.
He's very...
I've had a couple of interactions with him myself on Twitter, actually, where he's actually come back at me with his famous catchphrase, not an argument, which was one of my great moments on Twitter, actually.
I was deeply honoured.
But he is very Twitter active.
Indeed, he is.
I'm going to highlight some of his tweets here.
And again, this is just what I find interesting.
I mean, to the degree that Malini was interesting, which he's kind of not.
But he is in the sense of his reach and kind of the length of time that he spends on, on the amount of time that he's kind of spent doing this stuff.
And some of the kind of highlights.
I just, it's interesting to me that like how overt he is about this stuff.
And so, again, I kind of talked about like I watched like a few of his videos from the last couple of weeks and found a whole bunch of like damning shit about him.
I also went and I scrolled through his Twitter timeline.
Among Among the many dad jokes, which by the way, apparently his no doubt lovely daughter is doing like daddy-daughter time, and they're playing Minecraft together to its 900,000 followers, which is...
Certainly a thing.
Down the line he's going to be doing makeup tutorials, I assume.
That's kind of the next step for our good old friend Stefan there.
Because he's just going to always be reaching for the next big thing in sort of the YouTube ad revenue.
Like once this white nationalist thing goes out, he's just going to seek out the next thing.
Um, but I would, I mean, I've got some screenshots and I hope Jack puts these in the, um, you know, puts these on the, uh, kind of the, the show notes there so, so people can see.
Uh, but I did screenshot a lot of this stuff and, um, so for instance, he retweets somebody with a, uh, with the, with the Twitter, uh, handle or the name.
It's a clown's world saying diversity will be the cause of the Civil War, meaning kind of the upcoming Civil War, the racial holy war.
That's essentially what this guy is suggesting.
Stefan Molyneux retweets and says it certainly was last time.
Diversity was the cause of the American Civil War.
That's Stefan Molyneux's official opinion as of 2356 on the 11th of April 2019.
Africa is going to end up being owned by China.
China is woke on race realism.
It will not be pretty.
He retweeted that recently, but originally on the 22nd of February.
It's interesting coming from somebody who would doubtless deny that European imperialism had anything to do with what's wrong with Africa.
Well, well, you know, white people are completely justified in any case that we did because we made the modern world.
Right.
And so, you know, anyway, so it's not fair to blame any, you know, any European for New World slavery because, you know, some Muslims enslaved people before.
So.
Right.
Right.
Because, you know, ultimately, slavery was a Muslim problem.
He even slips in the talking point about and most of those slave ships were owned by Jewish people.
I mean, just very briefly, very briefly that slips in.
Such a subtle thing.
I mean, so we'll come back to that in a second.
Um, he retweets something called Barstool Sports, which I guess is just like a kind of a sports, like, news mag kind of Twitter feed, anyway, um, talking about, uh, Charlize Theron, the actress.
Um, Charlize Theron says she's shockingly single and somebody just needs to grow a pair and step up to ask her out, and then a link to some clickbaity article with a photo of, uh, Charlize Theron.
Stefan Molyneux's, uh, comment on this.
She's a single mom.
Again, he has this like philosophy that single mothers are like inherently damaged and that they are, you know, they have severe emotional problems and that single motherhood is this kind of fundamental thing that just fucks men up because they become feminized, yadda yadda yadda.
So it's all just kind of encoded in that one tweet.
But like, that's his response.
Like, Charlize Theron is like, hey, I might like to date a little bit on a clickbaity article.
You know, Stefan Molyneux.
Oh, you're a single mom.
Obviously nobody would want to fuck you.
One of the most conventionally attractive people on the planet.
God, there's an entire psychological conference here in one skull.
Exactly!
Okay, another one.
Roush V. The former pick-up artist, sort of Iranian Nazi, not white, but a white nationalist, whatever.
Now apparently a Christian bread scientist or something.
We might have to do one on Rouge down the line.
I don't... God, I don't... Like, some of these are just like... I don't want to talk about Rouge.
Don't make me talk about Rouge, please.
Don't make me.
Sephora, a makeup company owned by massive French conglomerate LVMH, is helping an 11-year-old boy put on makeup, cross-dress, and stylish hair like a girl.
And then he kind of goes on, um, and then there's a photo of a, uh, like an ad cam, like this Again, clickbait-y thing, and it's a little boy dressing like a girl.
Or, you know, gender-bending like an 11-year-old.
Stefan Molyneux, always a white kid!
Yeah, this this is this is again very standard issue talking point for these guys that you know Oh, it seems like they're the people that the cultural Marxists quote-unquote in parentheses are certainly not pushing this kind of Feminization of men on other races.
It's always the white kids who end up in major ad campaigns and who get highlighted in major media and somehow that's an anti white position like it's really like Yeah, okay, anyway.
Yeah, because they're trying to encourage white men to become... To become soyboys.
Yeah, soyboy, cuck, transgender, genderqueer, non-reproducing, genetic... Yeah, yeah, it's all part of the white genocide thing.
So the white race dies out and... Notice how deniable that is, right?
Like, if you don't know that that's the, you know, it looks bizarre.
Yeah.
It's just like, what do you mean, always a white kid?
You have to be plugged into this stuff to get it, and then you get the message that he's trying to seed.
Or, you might see that, and you're kind of a Stefan Molyneux fan, and you go Google around about it, or you find in the comments where people are being more explicit about it, and you get further and further radicalized.
All right.
Yeah, but if you're a journalist, you know, and you can say, well, isn't that, and you can say, how dare you?
How dare you call me a white supreme?
How dare you think I'm a white nationalist?
All right.
Yeah.
More vicious misogyny here.
Slate posts a piece, why is it so hard for a young single woman to find good guys just for sex?
And then a link, it's obviously like a trend piece about dating.
Molyneux's response, because good guys don't want to go bowling in the Grand Canyon.
Yeah.
That's not how it works, Stefan.
That's definitely not how it works, you know.
My favorite response to, like, that general idea is, you know, like, you know, I wouldn't want to have, you know, women saying, you know, again, this is kind of heteronormative, etc., but, you know, women saying, like, I definitely wouldn't want to have sex with a guy who's, like, had too many women in his life, because you know how the penis just shrinks more and more the more sex you have?
It just gets worn away.
Yeah, it just gets worn away.
It turns into a nub.
That's just the thing.
Yeah, I know.
And then one more which kind of leads us to this, you know, so Molyneux retweets Ann Coulter.
And Ann Coulter is tweeting about this Steve Miller-Jared Kushner clash over immigration policy.
It's a link to a... Anyway, whatever.
So, Coulter tweets, Jared was hoping to use immigration reform to better his personal relationships with some of the top CEOs and tech leaders.
The fact that this is basically, you know, Jared Kushner is secretly in control of the White House and is kind of, you know, that's Ann Coulter kind of engaging in some of that kind of casual alt-right anti-Semitism, which is again defended.
You know, like, like, you know, she's not saying the Jews are in control of the White House.
She's saying, don't you think that, like, Jared Kushner That might have too much influence on immigration policy and, like, top tech leaders.
It seems like maybe there's something we should be investigating there.
That's what she's suggesting.
Without explicitly, kind of, so, you know, clearly there's nothing undergoing on there.
And Stephan Molyneux just kind of openly retweets it.
So, uh, you know, he doesn't comment on it or anything, but he retweeted it.
And I thought, you know, interesting, Stefan Molyneux, retweeting the, you know, Queen Anne, as she's called in the, in the, uh, in this kind of space.
So one of the things that's interesting here is that, um, Molyneux has, uh, so far as I know, he is, he's been kind of like banned from countries and he's kind of not been allowed to do his, um, uh, speaking engagements, uh,
There's a recent video he did where he released just days after the Christchurch shooting where he, the anti-fascists were kind of chasing him down in one of his speaking tours and he kind of talks about like how the violent left will not kind of tolerate dissent and debate and they, you know, you don't want to have an argument, you just want to use Force!
Of course, you know, yadda yadda yadda.
But he really hasn't seen the kind of like, you know, kind of massivity platform.
Like, he has a Twitter feed.
He has a YouTube channel.
He's spouting pretty openly white nationalist propaganda.
And the way he manages to do that is by, A, never saying anything about Jewish people.
Um, I think, you know, I couldn't find him saying any any kind of positive or negative except like he'll say like Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs, etc, etc.
But like anytime he's ever like he explicitly kind of like a he equates Nazism with communism So, you know, there's there's that kind of like standard rhetoric that you know, that's yeah That's politically literate.
Well done.
Exactly.
I mean, you know, that's just kind of standard issue, like kind of like boomer politics in the United States.
So it's kind of, you know, but but I mean, he sort of masks himself in that way.
But he never kind of explicitly talks about like he doesn't use like gas chamber memes.
He doesn't use that kind of humor.
He isn't using the three parentheses.
He isn't doing, he's doing race realism, but he's leaving Jewish people out of it.
He's like ignoring that kind of like Jewish question thing, but he's also avoiding kind of the direct engagement with someone.
Like he's not interviewing Richard Spencer.
He's not bringing like J.F.
Garayepi or you know whoever.
Some of these like kind of more explicit white nationalist figures into his orbit, and he's kind of like maintaining his own kind of separate presence.
And I think that's really, like, there's not one thing that's 15 seconds long that you can point to and say, like, this is why, you know, this is why he should be de-platformed YouTube or Twitter.
It's just sort of like, he's just, because he's not spewing kind of openly hateful rhetoric, he's just kind of pushing like, oh, I just want to have a conversation about immigration policy that requires us to have a homogeneous population.
It's it's uh, it's really insidious and that's what makes Stefan Molyneux both as big as he is and kind of as Worrying because he is oftentimes, you know I talked about this in the in the Faraday speaks video, you know on a lot of times he is kind of the first sort of source that people find when they kind of fall down this rabbit hole and the fact that he isn't
As far as aggressive about it as the daily show for instance gives him both a kind of quote-unquote plausible deniability but also allows him to kind of maintain his status in this kind of less regulated space and it's kind of open internet.
Yeah well that's a stick isn't it to pose is not one of the sort of.
The frog people, or the Kekistan flag people, if they still use that.
I think most of you in the open races think the Kekistanis are a little bit poser losers at this point.
Sure, yeah, but Stefan isn't in that group.
His shtick is very much to pose as a philosopher, despite the fact that he's not a philosopher.
He has no standing, no qualification.
Well, I mean... He tells himself, like, I'm a public intellectual, you see.
Yeah.
What his qualifications are, I haven't gone into that, but he claims to have a master's degree, I believe.
I find that very implausible, to be honest, based on the way he talks.
But, because he doesn't, he doesn't appear to know anything, frankly.
About philosophy but yeah that's his pose at any rate somewhere between a sort of cult leader and a and a self help guy and a philosopher he's he's sort of like.
You know he's like jordan peterson except the jordan peterson has more legitimacy so.
Well, Jordan Peterson has succeeded bigger on the market because he has more apparent legitimacy.
But it's the sort of thing, I get the sense, it's the sort of thing Stefan Molyneux was aiming for.
Yeah, I mean, well, and the thing with, I mean, you know, someone like Jordan Peterson is that he's even more incoherent and out to lunch than Molyneux is.
That Molyneux at least sort of has a general sort of, like, you can describe a, like, specific political position that he holds.
You know, I could justify, yeah, Stéphane Molyneux is either a white nationalist or aping is one.
Jordan Peterson seems to have no coherent sort of political philosophy at all.
Or no kind of apparent, like, ability to defend anything except, like, trans people icky.
And, like, being anti-the left, which is obviously, you know, kind of one of those, you know, SJWs and trans people.
And, you know, anybody who opposes a quote unquote free speech,icky, that that's sort of like Jordan Peterson in a nutshell.
Right.
Well, yeah, he doesn't really have anything to say other than that.
You know, I'm not even really I'm not even really talking about content at this point.
The thing that unites them all is opposition to the left.
And, you know, which is the defense of.
Yeah, exactly.
The defense of established power and privilege is what unites all of them.
But I'm talking about aesthetics.
You know, Jordan Peterson at least can.
You know, he is a professor.
He has published an academic work, et cetera, et cetera.
He's like that he's like genuinely the sort of thing that Stefan is a cargo cult of.
Right, exactly.
Jordan Peterson at least has some academic credentials.
According to Wikipedia, Molyneux does have a BA in History and then a Masters in History from the University of Toronto.
There is a link to some profile back in the mid-90s from when he was just a tech guy.
Maybe he's bullshitting about that.
I mean, clearly, if so, it just indicates that it's entirely possible to get a master's degree in history from the University of Toronto and have no real conception of historical process at all.
Yeah, I think that's something that warrants further investigation.
But, you know, maybe, maybe.
But yeah, I mean, in one of the videos I put in the show notes this time, I found one of his former fans, who's clearly not fully out of the whole sort of Libertarian mindset yet but they managed to extricate themselves from stephans orbit and they talk about the fact that he was.
He was really what got them indeed i don't think he says of himself that he was red pill but he was stephan molyneux that got him involved in politics really at all and.
You hear this from an awful lot of people, and a hell of a lot of these people that get red-pilled or whatever you want to call it, Stefan Molyneux is the guy that brought them in.
He's the doorway through which they came in.
He's incredibly influential.
He looms very large, given that he barely has anything coherent or consistent or interesting to say.
He looms incredibly large.
Absolutely.
And I mean, again, and part of that is just kind of early entry and, you know, he's just kind of been at it forever.
But a lot of it is just just he's he's just there.
I don't know.
Like like finding him now, it's kind of hard to.
Well, I guess I should say, like, he's he's big enough that he's got, you know, sort of like name like scientist will come on and like talk to him about like race and IQ, for instance.
And he sounds like he's kind of citing real data.
He sounds like he's kind of actually engaging in an argument.
Now, you know, in this sort of like facts and reason crowd, this sort of like kind of skeptic community kind of like embraces this, you know, to its to its detriment, it embraces often the appearance of Rigor above the sort of reality of rigor, you know?
And so if you're someone who's like, I'm interested in, you know, looking at sort of the real science about IQ data among the races, and I want to believe the thing that's actually true, and you have someone kind of coming out and pushing a, you know, this kind of like, well, you know, we've got all these kind of ideas about the tests, and the tests turn out to be pretty accurate because they're repeatable, and We've done all these studies, and let me quote, you know, kind of chapter and verse, and I've got some numbers and graphs, etc., etc.
It sounds really convincing.
But you're not talking to, like, a sociologist or an education researcher or, you know, someone who can describe in detail, well, actually, we can raise people's IQs by, like, 15 points by just putting them in a proper school, you know?
Actually, we can do, you know, all kinds of things, and actually, like, if you look at, you know, kind of the socioeconomic situation of African Americans and the kind of wealth gaps and that sort of thing, All of this completely overwhelms any kind of sense that you've got a real kind of genetic argument in favor of this.
Sorry, this is a subject I have done a very lot of reading in, so, you know, it's sort of the one that comes to my mind most easily, but you can, any one of these topics, you know, talking about the Native American genocide, and he's got like kind of factoids that he's gonna repeat at you, but the second you do any kind of looking into the historical background behind that, it falls apart instantly.
Yeah, but that's the product he's delivering, isn't it?
It's the dopamine hit thing again, on two fronts.
You get to hear somebody who seems to be extremely intelligent and extremely learned and knowledgeable, who seems to have done all the reading and have all the... there's the notes, there's the footnotes, etc.
It all looks and feels very legit, so you get that lovely dopamine hit from You know, sort of vicariously vicarious scholarship or pseudo scholarship.
And the point of the exit, you know, more so the point of the exercise is that you're at the same moment that what's that what that is legitimizing is, you know, relief from having to worry about something or, you know, you can write off slavery, you can write off the Native American issue, all these things you've heard about that sort of
Good i don't need to think about that anymore don't need to worry about that anymore that's not something that has to impinge upon my view of the world anymore i can just say oh well that's because this and that and the other and i can just put it away so that that's what he's selling to people and i think he's probably probably selling it to himself as well i think.
Plus, of course, he's making an awful lot of money and getting an awful lot of attention, and he's obviously a raging narcissist.
A raging narcissist and a raging misogynist, and pretty much a pretty raging racist at this point.
Raging Islamophobe, you know?
I don't know like it's funny like I don't know how often he's uh kind of talked about like for instance trans people um I don't know I didn't like see a video off the top of my head kind of watching that but um you know well that would be interesting if like he's actually like oh trans people are fine that would be you know that never happens they always are like vicious transphobes in addition to all the rest of it and obviously that tweet is is very obviously kind of pointing in that direction so you know um Yeah.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, if people know, get in touch because I'd be interested.
But I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's contradictory statements.
If like, you know, there's there's two, three videos where he says, you know, because they do this all the time.
They point to the supposed intolerance of Islamic civilizations and Muslim people towards LGBT people as proof of why there's a clash of civilizations and the West is superior, etc.
And then they will come out with disgusting transphobia and homophobia and stuff like that themselves and stefan is nothing if not incredibly inconsistent so i would not be surprised at all if you could find if you picked through the hours and hours and hours of him just blathering um you'd be able to find examples of both yeah no um you know one of the one of the definite uh you know things about him is just the uh just i mean the sheer amount of stuff he's got out there
I'm also going to say, I suspect this is the episode in which we're going to get the most mail of, oh, look at this thing you missed.
I guarantee you that's going to happen, and believe me, there could be a whole separate podcast that just covers it.
I said this about Cantwell.
It's true of Cantwell, but it's even more true of Molyneux.
We could analyze everything this guy has ever said, and that would be the most soul-crushing thing imaginable to try to go through.
I listened to this guy for six hours today, and I'm like, I'm done with Stéphane Molyneux for ever now.
I don't need anymore Molyneux in my life.
For a long, long time.
But if you do, I do, there is one very amusing Stéphane Molyneux video that I put in the show notes.
And if you remember that Gillette Talks at Masculinity ad, the kind of the woke brands kind of idea where Gillette is going to tell us, you know, how great it is that we're kind of challenging traditional standards of masculinity.
I actually thought the little short film, I thought it was, you know, It's a Razer ad, but I really enjoyed it.
I thought it was legitimately like, oh, that's such a sweet little short film, it's a shame that it's selling Razer.
But, you know, you go, Gillette, for doing that.
Nearly every right-wing channel on the internet did a response video.
They mostly had the same talking points.
And I think Stefan Molyneux was my absolute favorite of them.
Because he had not watched the video in advance.
I assume he didn't, because he never does any fucking exome research.
He watches the video, pauses it, and then examines people's body language.
He'd be like, well in that kid it's obviously a weakling, and that woman, she should have just stood up for herself.
And that's why the gender pay gap exists.
It's just it's like this man is 52 years old and he spends like 35 minutes going through a two-minute short film selling a razor and proving that it's just all about how you know like men are being feminized into cucks or so you know it's it's uh it's it's completely silly and uh
Yeah, if you want a little bit of hilarity in your life and you can stomach this guy, that would be the one I'd tell you to watch, because it really is something else, and it encapsulates so much of just who Molyneux is, so check it out.
Yeah, this is something we haven't really hit upon, it's just the extent to which this is a ludicrous person.
He is just ridiculous.
I mean, they all are and that's kind of something that kind of we kind of come back to over and over again is just that these people are kind of, you know, they're terrifying in the sense that they're kind of pushing this kind of like very far right wing, you know, political ideology that's going to cause immense material harm to everyone around them.
And he's completely ridiculous at the same time.
He does remind me very strongly of Glenn Beck in some respects.
He is an ex-actor and he's very clearly still a frustrated actor.
And a very bad one, I'm afraid.
Imagine if he had just gotten to be a Canadian character actor.
He'd been on a couple of sitcoms in the 90s and he hadn't gone down this path.
Imagine how much better the world would be.
He should be the running villain in a Canadian daytime soap.
That was the niche that Stefan Molyneux was genetically supposed to fill.
Let's not make the hereditary argument that some chad is going to use that as a reason to discount everything that we've said.
Clearly you believe that people are genetically predisposed to be actors in certain kind of roles.
Oh God, please, nobody send me that, you know?
Okay, so, are we done with Molly?
I think we're done, you know.
So, you can find me on Twitter at Daniel Lee Harper.
I do have an email address in my profile there.
You can send me email, you can send me DMs.
It has come up that, so, because I get targeted by white nationalist douchebags wanting to harass me on the internet, I take advantage of a pre-made block list with something like 50,000 names on it.
Some people have tried to follow me and then have found that they're on that list.
If you're in the list in airhorse, send me an email with your tour handle and I will take you off my block list unless you turn out to be an asshole, in which case you're gonna go back on it.
But yeah, that has happened to a couple people, so just let me know.
And I'm on Twitter too, at Jack underscore Graham underscore.
As ever, if you have some information or some insights or some observations or something relevant to the show, please do get in touch with Daniel and or myself.
It's appreciated.
I am going through my DMs and my email now.
I'm going to have to just like slot in a couple hours a week to do that at this point.
I get a lot of messages.
I did get your email.
I am trying to respond.
Just letting you know that that's just kind of the reality here.
But anyway.
Yep.
And I've acquired a couple more Patreon sponsors since the last time we recorded, which is lovely.
Thank you very much.
It means a great deal and it really genuinely does help.
So if you want to bung either of us or both of us some cash, we both have Patreons.
I'm not saying you have to, but you can if you like.
It's voluntary.
If you were going to give Stéphane Molyneux a little bit of cash, why don't you give it to us instead?
Yeah.
Or just burn it.
Alright, I think we're done.
So, what are we doing next week?
Oh, fun times!
Next, next.
Oh, fun times.
We're, we're, we're getting, we're getting, we're going to pick a very light, easy to, easy to get along with topic.
We're going to do a two-parter of this.
You know, we're, we're, we're going to do a two-parter of this.
We're going to cover Holocaust denial.
I feel emotionally ready to do that.
We're going to do this a little bit differently.
For the first episode, we're going to actually cover some of the historical roots of Holocaust denial.
And the way we're going to do that is we're actually going to be kind of discussing and reviewing the film Mr. Death.
It's an Errol Morris documentary.
I would never tell anyone to pirate the film, but I believe it is on YouTube in a couple of different versions.
But officially I can't tell you to view it that way.
I own the DVD, which is how I'm going to be watching it.
So we are going to be discussing that film and sort of the historical roots of Holocaust denial in the next episode.
And then sort of the more modern incarnation of it is the word I was looking for in the episode after that.
So this will be a two-parter about Holocaust denial.
And it's going to be a lot of fun, I promise you.
Yeah, yeah.
And the second part, I tweeted this out years ago, literally.
And we're going to learn what Revenge of the Nerds 2 can tell you about the Holocaust.
And on that... Just to let you know, there will be light in this tunnel, I promise you.
I feel like this is our and your other podcasts all crashing together somehow.
Because you and I have been talking about doing a podcast about Mr. Death for a very long time.
It was originally going to be part of Wrong With Authority, I think, wasn't it?
Yeah, we've been talking because we both... I'll just say Mr. Death is like one of my all-time favorite films and that tells you a lot about me that Mr. Death is one of my favorite films.
Yeah, I just put it on like a relaxing Saturday afternoon, you know, like on the beach, you know, drinking Mai Tai's, watching Mr. Death.
No, that's not how it works, but I think it's an astonishing film, and I would like, I've been wanting to get the excuse to discuss it with Jack for a long time now, literally years, and so we're kind of using this as a way to do that, and to take a, ironically enough, a bit of a break by getting to talk about a film that we both really enjoy.
And it also gives us a way into some of the historical roots of that.
So that's what we're doing.
Hopefully the audience will appreciate it.
So if you do want to watch the film, I would definitely recommend doing that before listening to the next episode, because we're going to kind of spoil stuff.
Yeah.
OK, so that's it.
That's it.
That's it.
Goodbye.
That's it.
Awesome.
I'm out.
I'm just out.
This project is so like... Oh my god.
It's off the rails.
It's just...
I wish Stefan Molyneux didn't exist, I really... I'm not saying I wish him dead, I'm just saying I wish he didn't exist.
No, no, I wish, I wish... I just, like, I suddenly had the image of him, like, as, like, the Ted McGinley guy on, like, a series of, like, sitcoms in Canada, like, the wacky next door neighbor in, like, a clown wig or something, and I was just like, that's exactly, that's who Stefan Molyneux should have been, like, over in the better universe, I would not have to think about him.
He could still be a Nazi, but he'd just kind of be like a goofy Nazi, you know, instead of, you know, having 900,000 people watching his channel.
Yeah, he'd be that terrible actor in that show that you love and then one day you read an interview with him and he'd be talking about IQ and you'd be going, oh no, he's an asshole!
Right, yeah, and he'd just be that guy, you know.
Yeah.
It'd be like finding out William Shatner doesn't like trans people, and it's like, aww, well, that was suspected, but... Yeah.
It's sad, though, isn't it?
No, we didn't talk about the Karl... There's nothing to talk about with the Karl Marx video.
There genuinely isn't anything to talk about.
There's nothing there.
Yeah, I mean, I guess we could have, but it's also just... I mean, it's like all of his other videos, there's no content there, too.
Like, it's not... Like, it's just... I hope people enjoy this.
I found a debunked video for the Karl Marx thing, so that's in the show notes, so that's fine.
Okay, yeah.
Please put whatever you want to.
I mean, I kind of provided a bunch of links.
I'm assuming this is going to be the one with literally 400 links in it, where, you know, watch all the different things that Stéphane Molyneux has said that are bad.
Everyone debunks Stefan Molyneux, so I don't have to.
So I can just talk about how he fits into white nationalism.
Really, just go to Stefan's channel, pick one at random, and put it on.
That'll be fine.
Hold on!
Any random five minute, any random Sargon from any random Stefan video, he will say something horrific and something ludicrous and openly contradict himself.
Put a Stefan video on, wait for him to state any fact that you can check in a book, and then check that fact.
And it will be either misquoted, misinterpreted, or completely irrelevant to the larger point.
And probably plagiarized as well.
Probably plagiarized from his like interns who are sitting and making powerpoint videos for him to like read on camera badly.
I'm soft on cribbing.
I think that's a very minor sin.
Crib away.
You know, as long as you put the effort into changing the wording and, you know, mention the source you're cribbing from, I'm very disposed to say, ah, alright.
But he just openly snicks whole fucking paragraphs!
Of course he does!
Of course he does!
Oh god.
I think you should leave all of this in.
I might just do that.
It's...
I think people need a little bit of a joy at the end of this episode, leading into the next two.
Yeah, to tide them over, you know.
Oh god.
The next episode is Daniel and Jack giggle their way through like making fun of Holocaust deniers.
