Stay Free - Russel Brand - Why Are Boxes of Ticks Appearing on Farms? — SF714
Aired: 2026-05-08
Duration: 58:58


=== Culture Collapsing Around Us (09:16) ===

[00:00:09]  Russell Brand, trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
[00:00:17]  Hello there, you awakening wonders.
[00:00:18]  Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
[00:00:21]  The culture is collapsing around us, and today we present the case for revolution.
[00:00:28]  As we watch the decadence of the Met Gala, the hopelessness of captured and reappropriated art counterculture belongs to the mainstream now.
[00:00:38]  Who knows?
[00:00:39]  Where new ideas will come from.
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[00:00:56]  Revolutionary is the word that a lot of people are using.
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[00:01:05]  Or you could start worshipping the neo pagan false gods of.
[00:01:10]  The culture.
[00:01:11]  I mean, let's have a look at what was going on at that Met Gala.
[00:01:15]  So as I wonder if
[00:01:45]  there is an unconscious force beneath such things, kind of indicating to us unintended truths.
[00:01:54]  And there were masks being worn, there were guts being worn like that.
[00:01:59]  That's like an intestine, I suppose.
[00:02:01]  That was Cardi B wearing that.
[00:02:04]  I suppose it's an explicitly kind of hedonic, decadent event, isn't it?
[00:02:12]  How do any of us deal with the charge of hypocrisy?
[00:02:16]  Because, say, in one way, What's ridiculous about something like the Met Ball or the Oscars or any of those kind of big cultural festivals is that at them, people will advocate for political ideas that are totally cool, actually being compassionate and looking after the vulnerable and the broken, and how do we protect people that need help.
[00:02:33]  But when there is so much overt expenditure and so much indulgence and so much luxury, it seems ridiculous.
[00:02:39]  But then I think, oh, well, you know, you've not given away everything you own to help people, you're still broken and fallen.
[00:02:45]  Let me know, does that sort of lead you into a kind of cul de sac, a dead end, sort of a moral dead end?
[00:02:50]  When spectacle gets that vivid and that lurid, it's hard to sort of maintain any kind of interest in the culture.
[00:02:58]  This is actress Sarah Paulson.
[00:03:02]  This is a.
[00:03:02]  Oh, let's have a look at this.
[00:03:03]  This is wearing a dollar bill thing.
[00:03:17]  It's sort of reveling in its own meaninglessness.
[00:03:20]  Wherever you're watching us, get over and join us.
[00:03:23]  On Rumble.
[00:03:24]  I'll be here with Jake and Massey and Dave talking about this as well as that new Banksy statue.
[00:03:29]  We're going to cover some vaccine information.
[00:03:32]  Secretary Kennedy's talked about SSRIs, you know, the sort of antidepressants that were prescribed to probably maybe even billions of people.
[00:03:39]  Certainly I took them at some point in my life and now we're learning about some of the consequences, which I felt like at the time that SSRIs weren't working.
[00:03:47]  Hey, while people are strutting around dressed as intestines and wearing dollar bills on their faces and doing their level best, I reckon, to recreate the Book of Kings, where you can see sort of overt.
[00:03:58]  Decadence, what's next?
[00:04:00]  A boyfriend's earrings.
[00:04:01]  I mean, where do we go from here?
[00:04:04]  Where do we go from here?
[00:04:05]  Certainly, we don't go to the Cannes Film Festival where Dominican actress Marcile Taveras was booted off the red carpet apparently for wearing some reference to Christianity.
[00:04:29]  Hey, I'm appearing in Florida doing my show.
[00:04:34]  A funny thing happened on the way to church.
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[00:04:39]  It's on the 18th and 19th.
[00:04:41]  Is that right, Jake?
[00:04:42]  Join me there.
[00:04:56]  I know a lot of you don't like the Christianity being pushed down your throat, like you feel like it's the evangelicism is like reductive and a bit like the imposition of something that doesn't make sense to you.
[00:05:06]  But when I see that, when I see even his face rendered like that, I feel some kind of comfort.
[00:05:11]  I know that the answer is going to come through this revival.
[00:05:16]  I know it.
[00:05:17]  Something has to supersede the madness of our times.
[00:05:21]  Something has to supersede it.
[00:05:23]  It was always going to be him.
[00:05:25]  It was always going to be him.
[00:05:27]  Hey, we've got loads.
[00:05:28]  To talk about over the next hour.
[00:05:29]  But I want to also let you know that on Monday, I'm talking to Jeremiah Johnson.
[00:05:33]  A little while ago, we made some content about him appearing on Tucker.
[00:05:36]  He was talking about the crown of thorns because I've always been sort of, what is it?
[00:05:41]  Like, I've never thought the verification of or authentication of Christ through artifacts has been that kind of important because you're dealing with mystery and miracles and something that's not verifiable within reason.
[00:05:55]  So when people go, look, this demonstrates, I've always been a bit, I don't know, it's not like I've been Christian for very long or anything.
[00:06:01]  But I'll be talking to Jeremiah Johnson, and he does believe in that.
[00:06:05]  He does believe that the Shroud of Turin might be evidence that there was a kind of a supernatural atomic explosion kind of event that demonstrates the resurrection of our Lord.
[00:06:15]  Some sort of historical authentication.
[00:06:18]  So join us on Monday for that.
[00:06:19]  I've been talking to him offline.
[00:06:20]  He's a really lovely person.
[00:06:23]  Anyway, let's carry on with the Met Gala man.
[00:06:27]  I just remember when I used to go to stuff like that and used to care about dressing up, and I don't think I can.
[00:06:32]  Well, I don't think I can ever do it again.
[00:06:34]  I don't even mean the spirit of it.
[00:06:36]  I don't think I can ever get it up for that madness again.
[00:06:39]  I don't think I ever can get it up for that madness again.
[00:06:42]  What's the craziest outfit you ever wore?
[00:06:45]  Hold on a minute.
[00:06:46]  Well, I've had problems with outfits in the past, haven't I?
[00:06:49]  I mean, this thing.
[00:06:51]  One of the strangest things and most regrettable things that I did is when I was making this documentary ages ago, when I was doing Getting to the Greek and all that, I was doing a documentary where I was exploring happiness.
[00:07:03]  Now, during that time, that's.
[00:07:04]  What it became, it became super loose, this documentary, because we couldn't, you know, because of me, because of me being an idiot, really.
[00:07:10]  Anyway, I started doing stuff like turning up on red carpets and holding an egg up and things like that.
[00:07:17]  Like doing weird stuff.
[00:07:18]  I go, let's just do weird stuff so that people will just like speculate on it.
[00:07:21]  Anyway, people now sort of go, that was satanic, or it's a neo pagan symbol or something like that.
[00:07:29]  So I can't remember a stupid outfit, although I know for a while they were all stupid.
[00:07:35]  I remember watching my hair expanding around between 2004 and 2006.
[00:07:39]  I was back combing and creating this bouffant at the back of my head.
[00:07:42]  And then I watched back this video that I did, like a special, a comedy special.
[00:07:46]  And I remember, you know, like when you see wedding photos of if your parents got married in the 70s and 80s, you think, God, what were those outfits they were wearing then?
[00:07:54]  I felt that about my own outfit the next day.
[00:07:57]  Like I looked at it, I was like, oh my God, what were you doing?
[00:08:00]  Why did you dress yourself up?
[00:08:01]  All covered in, like, sort of licorice and belts and buckles and with my own hair helmet.
[00:08:07]  Like, so it's mostly hair and carrying eggs around.
[00:08:12]  Those are some of the dumbest things I've done.
[00:08:13]  From somebody from the general public.
[00:08:15]  Yeah, that's you, is it?
[00:08:16]  I thought it looked ridiculous.
[00:08:18]  At the time.
[00:08:18]  At the time.
[00:08:19]  Yeah.
[00:08:19]  I don't know what I was thinking.
[00:08:21]  I don't know what I was thinking.
[00:08:22]  It was smart.
[00:08:23]  It was marketing.
[00:08:24]  Yeah.
[00:08:24]  It's really what they, it's like a marketing event.
[00:08:26]  The whole thing's marketing, but don't you feel like it's saturated by it?
[00:08:29]  Like when you see something like a dollar bill or beloved Katy Perry there wearing a sort of a fencing mask, it's such a lot of effort, man.
[00:08:37]  Like when I've done, this is what I think.
[00:08:39]  This is why I'm very reluctant to even contemplate acting in any capacity, even in some redeemed future.
[00:08:45]  When I was like doing Arthur, and that lady, Jen Garner, who I really liked, she was such a lovely lady, you know, she's a famous movie star, married to Benefleck, at least she was at some point or another.
[00:08:54]  And I remember watching her getting all dressed up in a basque and being held up by a magnet in the film and thinking, this is not right.
[00:09:02]  You know, even though it's a very PG type movie, Arthur.
[00:09:04]  Or when Nick Nolte, all old, was being sort of directed by the guy, happened to be sort of quite a small guy.
[00:09:10]  He was a nice person and a good person, but he was like a little guy directing Nick Nolte.
[00:09:15]  And I feel like it's like watching a Jack Russell terrorizing a bear.
[00:09:18]  Like, it was a.
[00:09:19]  Nick Nolte, all sort of like.
[00:09:22]  Nick Nolte grabbing my nuts.

=== Reluctance to Act in Future (13:11) ===

[00:09:25]  For reals, by the way.
[00:09:27]  Method Act.
[00:09:27]  From Nick Nolte on that bit.
[00:09:30]  I just felt, what is this?
[00:09:33]  I feel like, you know, when Neo wakes up in the soap pod, I kept feeling like that all the time.
[00:09:39]  You know, like, oh God, what are you doing?
[00:09:41]  Why are you in this movie where, like, Jen Garner's been casually denigrated?
[00:09:45]  Why Nick Nolte's been prodded about like an old bear, sort of, in Suffolk, London in Elizabethan times?
[00:09:52]  The whole thing is stupid.
[00:09:54]  It's stupid.
[00:09:55]  We must wake up.
[00:09:57]  Wake up, I pray.
[00:09:58]  I pray, wake up.
[00:09:59]  Anyway, though, listen, we're part of a revolutionary movement.
[00:10:02]  In a minute, we'll be talking about Banksy, who was an innovative and brilliant artist for such a long time.
[00:10:06]  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that he has been co opted.
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[00:12:09]  Hey, There was a time where Banksy was a byword for true artistic integrity, anonymity, mystery.
[00:12:15]  Like the art can be exciting again.
[00:12:17]  People create things that are worthwhile that might change the world.
[00:12:21]  Now, though, I suppose people are questioning whether or not Banksy is working in alliance with state sanctioned interests because a new and pretty cool sculpture appeared in central London.
[00:12:33]  But many people are questioning how such a thing could appear overnight if it wasn't facilitated by the kind of bureaucratic forces that would normally stop a truck.
[00:12:42]  Entering into central London, a bunch of people putting up a statue, or I don't know, letting off some sort of gel ignite based device.
[00:12:50]  How this could be happening without state.
[00:12:53]  If it wasn't state approved, would it be happening?
[00:12:56]  And you could probably apply that to all art and propaganda, actually.
[00:12:59]  Most things you watch, you're watching propaganda.
[00:13:02]  Hopefully, not this, though.
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[00:13:10]  Let's have a look at Banksy.
[00:13:12]  This is the Banksy statue that everybody's talking about.
[00:13:15]  It first appeared today and it's on a plinth.
[00:13:18]  It's of a man dressed in a suit and he's got one foot as if he's stepping off.
[00:13:23]  The plinths.
[00:13:24]  In his right hand he's holding a flag which is covering his face.
[00:13:29]  Well, if we look just through here, towards the bottom of the plinths, there is a signature which appears to be Banksy's.
[00:13:35]  The statue has been put up in a prominent.
[00:13:38]  I like Banksy.
[00:13:39]  When I first saw his stuff I was living in not living in, staying in and working in Bristol in the UK, that's in the west country where he's from.
[00:13:46]  Bristol's one of the first places that started pulling down statues because it's a harbour town.
[00:13:50]  I mean, we live on a little island.
[00:13:52]  The British do, so most places have got Ports and harbours, and therefore, when the slave trade was kicking off and making a bunch of money for the British Empire and helping to formulate and establish your country, there was a lot of economic reward and enrichment as a result of the slave trade.
[00:14:06]  So, when all of the woke stuff happened and the statue pulling down time took place, there was a guy, I think his name was Edward Coulson, I think was his name, and he was a very significant sort of, I don't know, contributor to the city of Bristol.
[00:14:16]  There were statues of him.
[00:14:17]  People started pulling them statues down, you know.
[00:14:20]  And Banksy's art was up and around then.
[00:14:24]  Banksy's art felt radical and insightful.
[00:14:27]  Although there are a really good British comedy double act called Cardinal Burns, and they used to do these great riffs on Banksy because some of his stuff is just a pun.
[00:14:39]  Like, even just take the example of that statue, it's just a flag.
[00:14:43]  Hey, sometimes, man, aren't we being blinded by the flag of nationalism?
[00:14:49]  Like, it's such a sort of an easy.
[00:14:50]  And like, sometimes it's like him, like someone just shooting love out of a gun.
[00:14:54]  And they did this.
[00:14:55]  Sort of brilliant thing, these sketches where they would show Banksy just as if he was just some normal middle class guy living in a suburban home.
[00:15:04]  And he goes, There's one where, you know, it's like a sort of a cop kissing a guy.
[00:15:09]  He goes, Oh, here we go.
[00:15:10]  I've got a policeman kissing a black fella.
[00:15:13]  And it was something like Samuel L. Jackson, just referred to him as a black fella, more to amuse myself than anyone else.
[00:15:19]  Really sort of like funny sketches that highlighted the idea that while Banksy's looked at as all radical and stuff, and he certainly is an impact.
[00:15:28]  The most impactful artist, maybe you could say, of our generation in terms of reach and stuff.
[00:15:32]  Certainly, no one's questioning that.
[00:15:34]  But some of it's just visual puns.
[00:15:36]  Did you, Massey, you probably saw that Cardinal Burns stuff, did you?
[00:15:40]  I've seen clips of it, yeah.
[00:15:45]  Yeah, they were good.
[00:15:46]  I thought that was a really good take on the Banksy phenomena that, like, he's just sort of some dad.
[00:15:53]  And now I know people have sort of unmasked Banksy, so he's not like it.
[00:15:56]  Yeah, like, people are thinking he's cool, but when he's doing it, he's just.
[00:16:01]  Yeah.
[00:16:02]  We don't know who he is, do we?
[00:16:03]  Yeah, we do now.
[00:16:04]  It's all sort of like people sort of pot online who he was.
[00:16:07]  I like, let's say, the age I am, man, I've still got like a bunch of like real respect for what he's done.
[00:16:14]  But I guess you brought this up, did you, Massy?
[00:16:16]  Because you think, oh, well, like it's sanctioned because otherwise it wouldn't be up.
[00:16:21]  Yeah.
[00:16:21]  I mean, I just remember the last bit of artwork that he did was on the courts of justice or whatever in London.
[00:16:29]  And it was like a judge with a hammer knocking like someone down.
[00:16:32]  It was like an anti free speech thing.
[00:16:35]  And they immediately covered that up with like barriers so you couldn't see it.
[00:16:39]  And then when the barriers came down, it was painted over.
[00:16:42]  And whereas this one, they put barriers up to protect it.
[00:16:45]  And when they asked the council about it, they're like, we love that Banksy has put his thing up here.
[00:16:50]  So it just feels like very state sanctioned.
[00:16:52]  Although the flag over the face, you could say it's the Union Jack, but you could also say, you know, it's the Palestine flag or whatever.
[00:16:59]  So it's not necessarily political in one direction.
[00:17:02]  But I think the government sees it as, oh, this is clearly the proles, the kind of plebs, you know, with the flag in front of them.
[00:17:10]  It's not anything about government, whereas the hammer on the judge was clearly like attacking the government.
[00:17:15]  So it feels like he's doing the government's bidding a little bit.
[00:17:18]  He's certainly sanctioned and approved because they haven't taken it down yet.
[00:17:21]  So, whether he was or not, the proof is in the pudding, isn't it?
[00:17:26]  Yeah, it's still up there now.
[00:17:28]  Here's some other assets on here.
[00:17:30]  Westminster Council has told the BBC it didn't grant permission to Banksy.
[00:17:34]  We're excited to see it.
[00:17:35]  We like it.
[00:17:37]  And yeah, that's what Massey was just referencing there.
[00:17:41]  There's that previous mural which they got rid of pretty quickly.
[00:17:45]  You know, I'm sort of basically saying that the judge is using that hammer.
[00:17:49]  To hammer down like a protester.
[00:17:52]  I really kind of like that take on him.
[00:17:55]  Let's have a look at that.
[00:17:56]  Yeah, like, so in one case, the message was covered.
[00:17:58]  In another instance, it was elevated.
[00:18:01]  I mean, hey, it's only a couple of weeks till I think there's another Tommy Robinson march in London.
[00:18:06]  I wonder if it were like, oh, man.
[00:18:09]  I was at a protest, that protest where they put the green Mohican on Churchill.
[00:18:14]  I was sort of really, I was zealous that day.
[00:18:16]  It was a really prominent and well remembered protest.
[00:18:20]  Protest in Britain, right?
[00:18:21]  Because it sort of outraged people, like the desecration of a statue of Churchill.
[00:18:25]  And I think even at the time, I felt see Churchill, of course, in one way, you know, warmonger, Dresden, all of that, alcoholic, depressive.
[00:18:33]  But I sort of like that old dude, Churchill, taking on Hitler and whatnot.
[00:18:41]  And it was a sort of a pretty postmodern moment, a bit of green turf being put as a mohawk on the head of Churchill.
[00:18:49]  I'm still really.
[00:18:51]  Trying to work out my position when it comes to all that because the world's unraveling so quickly these days, i.e., look at what we're talking about now.
[00:19:00]  Banksy, who was a criminal at the beginning of his career, his anonymity was to protect him from arrest.
[00:19:07]  Like he would have literally been arrested for crimes.
[00:19:10]  And now it sort of seems like, as long as his message is in alignment with state messaging, he'll be left alone.
[00:19:17]  And that's pretty true of any intellectual or public figure, actually.
[00:19:20]  If you are a public figure, it's probably because, in some way or another, Your message is being used by the state, whether you're an intellectual or a pop star or whatever.
[00:19:30]  I mean, just look at that mad, lurid Met Gala.
[00:19:33]  Whatever they think they're there protesting with a dollar bill over their eyes or whatever, what they're actually advocating for is selfishness, individualism, materialism, and a kind of hollow, vacuous superficiality instead of a really deep, sort of blood-soaked, painful culture, which could be our real legacy.
[00:19:54]  Anyway, if you're sort of a person that's getting propped up by the culture, it's because you're carrying the culture's message.
[00:19:59]  I guess the whole thing just makes me feel like we're chewing through reality faster than we can cope with.
[00:20:06]  You know, like, what message do you trust in now?
[00:20:09]  Like, everything I hear, it just sort of goes through me and by me very, very quickly.
[00:20:14]  I find it hard to sort of quantify or take seriously anything at all.
[00:20:19]  Maybe that's sort of how they, you know, when I say they, that's how, maybe that's how they want it to be.
[00:20:24]  They want us to be sort of disillusioned to the point where we don't trust nothing.
[00:20:29]  All right, so on that note, let me just plow on with this stuff.
[00:20:36]  So, hey, what do you think we should look at out of this lot?
[00:20:39]  Miriam Margoyles says Hitler has triumphed.
[00:20:42]  Brenier Brown on Dire of a CEO says tech elites prioritize deep thinking for their kids while others are pushed towards passive consumption.
[00:20:49]  Yeah, that seems pretty good.
[00:20:50]  Ilan Omar faces demand to hand over communications in $250 million Feeding Our Future fraud probe.
[00:20:57]  Vladimir Pune condemns Kirk's death, praising his defense of traditional values.
[00:21:02]  Yeah, what do we belong to now?
[00:21:03]  And Trump asks a kid if he thinks he could take him in a fight.
[00:21:07]  I mean, how can you resist that?
[00:21:08]  Let's just go with that.
[00:21:09]  I don't think we have to worry about you.
[00:21:11]  Yes, sir.
[00:21:12]  You're going to do good.
[00:21:13]  Are you a strong person?
[00:21:14]  Yes, sir.
[00:21:14]  But you think you can take me in a fight?
[00:21:17]  I think you could.
[00:21:19]  Hey, that would be embarrassing, wouldn't it?
[00:21:25]  How about you?
[00:21:26]  That would be embarrassing.
[00:21:28]  He's still pretty good.
[00:21:29]  Still good, and he's good on camera.
[00:21:31]  He goes, No, now let's have a look at him doing some dancing.
[00:21:47]  Oh, there we go.
[00:21:48]  This is where we are now.
[00:21:50]  This is where we are now.
[00:21:53]  Hey, let's see what Polymarket's saying.
[00:21:55]  Who will follow Trump in the next election?
[00:21:57]  People seem to think he'll be JD Vance, maybe Newsom.
[00:22:00]  What about the French election?
[00:22:03]  There you go.
[00:22:03]  Bet on real world events at Polymarket.
[00:22:07]  Okay, where shall we take this, fellas?
[00:22:09]  Should we jump into a big topic or should we keep sort of just grazing through this stuff?
[00:22:14]  I do like old Brene Brown.
[00:22:16]  You've interviewed her a couple of times, huh?
[00:22:18]  I love her.
[00:22:19]  She was pretty great.
[00:22:21]  She was pretty great.
[00:22:21]  You know, like, what I liked about Brene Brown is, well, firstly, when I met her, she was really beautiful and lovely and enchanting.
[00:22:30]  And see, everyone now talks about vulnerability and, like, the through vulnerability, you kind of get power.

=== Betting on Real World Events (07:23) ===

[00:22:37]  It's not very easy to do that when it's actually happening, when you're actually feeling vulnerable and weak, and then you have to sort of stand up and talk.
[00:22:45]  Like, we were at an event for Joby.
[00:22:47]  You know, we really love Joby Weeks, the Bitcoin entrepreneur.
[00:22:51]  Under house arrest now for six, seven years.
[00:22:53]  And we went to what I'm going to call a kind of crazy event.
[00:22:57]  I mean, it was unusual, wasn't it, Dave?
[00:22:59]  I mean, we'd only been there 10 seconds of people who were offering us lightsabers and smoking joints, you know, sort of downstairs outside that.
[00:23:07]  It was one of those Trump buildings.
[00:23:08]  It was a weird mix because you had a lot of people there who were almost like networking type event.
[00:23:14]  So it was kind of that static business.
[00:23:17]  But then they're walking around like, you said it was like the Star Wars bar.
[00:23:22]  Yeah, not just because of the Jedi's, but because everyone there was really quite eclectic.
[00:23:26]  Our friend Deepak was there, covered in sequins.
[00:23:29]  I mean, it's not Met Gala level, but there were some people wearing some unusual outfits.
[00:23:33]  There was a lot of flesh on show.
[00:23:36]  But really, I think when it really peaked was when this guy came over to me and said, Listen, I've got to let you know that woman over there is a witch and she's trying to put a spell on you.
[00:23:48]  And we said it in the same sort of way that if it was like a threat from an assailant, Like how you got to watch over there at three o'clock, there's a person that's armed.
[00:23:56]  He sort of said it in that same way.
[00:23:58]  Now, that I wasn't mad about coming to Christ is the belief in the supernatural.
[00:24:06]  And scripture is full of false idolatry and spells and magicians and wizards and stuff.
[00:24:11]  So when someone says someone's putting a curse on you, there's still enough of me that's like, I don't believe in things like that.
[00:24:16]  You know, there's quite a lot of me that sort of just naturally thinks, that's rhubarb, witches, these things are hocus pocus.
[00:24:24]  You know, once you are surrendering to the supernatural, you're saying, I don't understand the mystery.
[00:24:28]  And the way this guy told me it, I was like, whoa.
[00:24:31]  And then I looked at the woman that had been adjudged a witch, and it was a bit kind of, she was looking at me in a pretty crazy way.
[00:24:38]  Not witchy.
[00:24:39]  It was witchy.
[00:24:41]  It was Wishy Woman.
[00:24:42]  And then, Dave, you take over now.
[00:24:45]  Well, so I had walked before he came over to you.
[00:24:49]  I was walking over there.
[00:24:50]  I was in this back corner area.
[00:24:53]  And I'm stepping around her.
[00:24:55]  And as I'm stepping around her, she just kicks me in the shin like hard.
[00:25:01]  That was amazing.
[00:25:03]  I thought it caught me off guard where I was like, what?
[00:25:07]  I mean, like purposely kicked me in the shin hard.
[00:25:10]  And I thought, maybe.
[00:25:13]  Did I. Get close to stepping on her foot or something, and maybe she's just having a bad day.
[00:25:19]  I didn't really know, but then when you came over, I knew exactly which woman it was.
[00:25:23]  I got a witch move.
[00:25:24]  That's a witch move.
[00:25:25]  Well, a shin kick.
[00:25:26]  Oh, yeah.
[00:25:27]  I feel like that's in there somewhere.
[00:25:28]  Of course it is.
[00:25:30]  That's witch or a pointy little witch boot.
[00:25:33]  A little straight in the shins.
[00:25:36]  Dave had to take the role of the armor bearer while I wasn't there.
[00:25:39]  So, did you take the spell for him?
[00:25:42]  Maybe I did.
[00:25:43]  I don't know.
[00:25:44]  I mean, If I'm you, I'd be like, hey, I don't need any more curses.
[00:25:48]  Yeah, that's enough cursing.
[00:25:50]  I mean, actually, I prayed right there and then and repudiated and rebuked all demonic and evil forces.
[00:25:54]  It's interesting, isn't it?
[00:25:55]  Because I suppose since coming to the Lord, you know, as a person who's always enjoyed and taken seriously your David Icke and your Alex Jones and people that talk about demonic forces and dark power and dark energy, and then seeing how that matches scripture.
[00:26:12]  I don't know.
[00:26:12]  However, you approach it, do you approach it from a pantheistic perspective?
[00:26:17]  Obviously, if you're a Christian, you approach from a Christian perspective.
[00:26:19]  Unless you are an out and out naturalist that doesn't believe in anything, I don't believe in anything unless I can measure it and see it.
[00:26:28]  Unless I can measure it and see it.
[00:26:29]  But then I wonder what people do with the placebo effect.
[00:26:34]  The very idea, check this out.
[00:26:36]  The reason you have double blind experiments and double blind clinical trials is because if anyone given a medication is told with a pure placebo, hey, this is going to make you run faster and make your penis bigger.
[00:26:51]  In like 20% of cases, people will just do it.
[00:26:54]  Like the placebo effect has a margin of up to between 20 and 25%.
[00:26:58]  Sorry, I'm doing this mime now when I've just said the penis thing.
[00:27:00]  Like the placebo effect has a 20 to 25% inference rate.
[00:27:05]  So, isn't it curious and interesting that consciousness itself is impacting and affecting reality in a measurable way?
[00:27:15]  That's why you have double blind testing.
[00:27:17]  So that you, because if the person administering a drug knows that that's the actual drug, Or the placebo, the people or the recipient of it know it nullifies the results because people will behave in a.
[00:27:29]  So it's kind of, in a way, when you believe in the supernatural, all you're really saying is, I believe in a reality that goes beyond what's measurable within the realm of the senses.
[00:27:42]  That's the sort of entry point.
[00:27:44]  And then if you believe in any particular ideology, it's giving you a vocabulary for it and examples of it and all that kind of stuff.
[00:27:51]  And then if you're actually out and about, Just trying to attend a Bitcoin event to campaign for the freedom of dear old Joe B. Weeks, a man who should be freed, a very sort of brilliant and entrepreneurial man who's done no real discernible crime, as far as I can work out.
[00:28:04]  And then you encounter actual shin kicking witches booting about the place, casting out hexes.
[00:28:10]  It's interesting.
[00:28:11]  It's interesting.
[00:28:13]  And as Tucker Carlson always says, you know, when you're around powerful people, they're all into some crazy stuff.
[00:28:18]  They believe in things, they believe in dark, weird occultist power.
[00:28:22]  Something's going on.
[00:28:23]  And all this to say, here's Brene Brown.
[00:28:27]  Talking about how the practical application of this is like tech elites, and we've known this for some time, I suppose.
[00:28:34]  You know, like while our kids are staring at screens, dumbing themselves into giddy idiocy, the most powerful people in the world are protecting their children from it.
[00:28:43]  Like Dave has to protect me from little witch kicks.
[00:28:46]  But let me tell you what scares me the most.
[00:28:50]  I'm in some weird rooms because of the nature of my job.
[00:28:53]  I'm in rooms where the people who run these platforms and, you know, that own the CEOs of these businesses and the founders are in these rooms.
[00:29:01]  And I hear them talking and I hear things that are so misaligned that it panics me.
[00:29:09]  So I hear someone say, Hey, you know, tech billionaire, what should my kids study?
[00:29:15]  I'm worried for my kids.
[00:29:16]  Well, they should study coding, physics, you know.
[00:29:19]  And then five minutes later, as if that answer didn't happen, someone will say, To what do you attribute your success?
[00:29:26]  I mean, deeply when you think about it.
[00:29:28]  And the same person will say, My deep reading of philosophy and the Stoics.
[00:29:34]  And so then I'm thinking to myself, well, which is it, dude?
[00:29:38]  And then I start to extrapolate from there and wonder if there is a thinking class that's emerging where they're like, we're going to read philosophy and we're going to read the liberal arts and we're going to study history.
[00:29:56]  And the rest of you just keep scrolling.
[00:29:58]  Don't worry about the big words.

=== Emerging Thinking Class Debate (05:08) ===

[00:30:00]  We'll handle all the big words for you.
[00:30:02]  Like, it's like when they asked Steve Jobs, well, your kids must love the iPad.
[00:30:09]  Steve Jobs said, My kids don't have an iPad.
[00:30:14]  Okay, there you go.
[00:30:15]  There's some interesting insights into oligarchical classes.
[00:30:19]  Let us know what you think in the comments and chat.
[00:30:20]  If you don't have Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium now.
[00:30:26]  And then his biographer, who spent time with his family, said, He wasn't kidding.
[00:30:31]  There's no technology.
[00:30:32]  At dinner, they're talking about art and history.
[00:30:37]  Hey, every Sunday, me and my wife, Laura, do a little.
[00:30:42]  Sunday service.
[00:30:43]  We talk about our journey to faith, we talk about our marriage, and we look at the Bible together.
[00:30:50]  Join me for Sunday service.
[00:31:00]  God that cannot lie promised.
[00:31:03]  Faith is not working up by willpower a sort of certainty that something is coming to pass, but it is seeing as an actual fact that God has said that this thing shall come to pass and that it is true, and then rejoicing to know that it is true and just resting because God has said it.
[00:31:24]  Faith turns the promise into a prophecy.
[00:31:27]  While it's merely a promise, it is contingent upon our cooperation.
[00:31:32]  But when faith claims it, Excuse me, it becomes a prophecy.
[00:31:37]  And we go from feeling that it is something that must be done because God cannot lie.
[00:31:42]  I hear men praying everywhere for more faith, but when I listen to them carefully and get at the real heart of their prayer, very often it is not more faith at all that they are wanting, but a change from faith to sight.
[00:31:54]  Faith says not, I see that it is good for me, so God must have sent it, but God sent it, so it must be good for me.
[00:32:03]  Faith, walking in the dark with God, Only praise him to clasp its hand more closely.
[00:32:11]  And I feel like that reading reminded me a little bit of the book of Samuel that you found something in.
[00:32:18]  What was that?
[00:32:18]  Well, I, in the week, was feeling probably like inevitably when there's a lot of attention on something, whether you're looking at it or not, it can disturb your energy.
[00:32:32]  Or like you feel it.
[00:32:33]  Yeah, like you can feel it.
[00:32:34]  The moon pulling or something.
[00:32:35]  Yeah, I do think that.
[00:32:37]  I think you can feel.
[00:32:41]  I think about this a lot, actually.
[00:32:42]  That saying, when they say, like, oh, you've got a hot ear, must mean someone's talking about you.
[00:32:46]  What's that thing again?
[00:32:47]  My ears will have been burning.
[00:32:49]  Your ears will have been burning, not you've got a hot ear.
[00:32:52]  That's not a saying.
[00:32:53]  Okay, I didn't actually, couldn't remember it.
[00:32:56]  As the old saying goes, you've got a hot ear.
[00:32:59]  I've got a hot ear.
[00:33:01]  No, you know, your ears would have been burning.
[00:33:03]  My ears were burning.
[00:33:05]  But actually.
[00:33:05]  But you aren't the person that says that.
[00:33:07]  It's like, you're like, this is it.
[00:33:08]  You're like, all right, I'll be my mum.
[00:33:10]  All right.
[00:33:11]  Hello?
[00:33:12]  Hello?
[00:33:14]  Why are you picking up Russell's phone?
[00:33:16]  Get your hands up.
[00:33:19]  She'll go like, Your ears would have been burning.
[00:33:22]  Your ears would have been burning, Russell.
[00:33:24]  We were talking about you, me, and Ange, Greg.
[00:33:30]  That's right.
[00:33:31]  And I think that, obviously, we could look into why.
[00:33:34]  Where does that come from?
[00:33:35]  I'm sure there's something.
[00:33:36]  But I genuinely do feel, and I think of that saying a lot, except for I've been thinking about it as a hot ear.
[00:33:44]  Okay, that's it.
[00:33:45]  When the ears are burning, presumably that comes from somewhere, I know that I can feel, I feel like a sense, not just because you've told me there's something on X, not just because, just because I feel like it changes, uh, the sort of ecosystem of the energy around you.
[00:34:03]  And obviously that's like, there's been a lot of eyes on us at times, you know, specifically in the three, you know, last three years.
[00:34:10]  And I could say that like you have to, you have to fight that with your own, you have to, you have to fight that.
[00:34:17]  With a spiritual fight.
[00:34:18]  It's a spiritual fight.
[00:34:20]  It's not like you have to go and read all the comments and start combating and texting and messaging people and doing.
[00:34:25]  It's not like that.
[00:34:26]  It's literally like you have to almost put your armor on.
[00:34:29]  You have to build a resilience.
[00:34:31]  You have to.
[00:34:33]  So, this is where this came from.
[00:34:34]  In the week, I was really trying to find comfort in feeling like, honestly, that the judgment, people's judgment should not affect me as a person.
[00:34:45]  I felt judged.
[00:34:46]  I felt judged.
[00:34:46]  Like you're in an ambience of.
[00:34:48]  Hot ear judgment.
[00:34:49]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:34:50]  Blazing away at the lobes.
[00:34:51]  The ears were blazing.
[00:34:53]  And I just felt like what I'm really looking for is to not feel that if you get a good text, you're in a good mood.
[00:34:58]  If you get a bad text, you're in a bad mood.
[00:35:00]  I wanted comfort against all, like, and amidst all.
[00:35:04]  Because really, otherwise, it's just, obviously, it is a roller coaster.

=== Spiritual Fight for Resilience (15:46) ===

[00:35:09]  It is hot.
[00:35:09]  Yeah.
[00:35:10]  Oh, yeah.
[00:35:11]  Oh, my goodness.
[00:35:11]  So I was looking for comfort.
[00:35:14]  I wanted, so I'm going to read 1 Samuel 16, 7.
[00:35:18]  I'm talking about hot ears and read the quote.
[00:35:21]  I was crying.
[00:35:22]  I know, because I tell you what.
[00:35:24]  44 18 on Piers Morgan.
[00:35:25]  He wouldn't like how long I take to get to something.
[00:35:36]  Ticks!
[00:35:36]  Have you ever had a tick?
[00:35:37]  Have you ever seen a tick?
[00:35:39]  Have you ever had a tick on your skin?
[00:35:41]  Have you ever watched those things looming and blooming amidst a pet's fur?
[00:35:45]  They start off like tiny little black spiders, then they balloon themselves up, heavy little dirty filthy sacks of pet blood off their backs.
[00:35:52]  I don't like them.
[00:35:53]  Why are boxes of ticks appearing on farms all over the United States of America?
[00:36:00]  Was Lyme disease something that was designed in a lab?
[00:36:03]  Was COVID something that was made in a lab?
[00:36:06]  What's going on?
[00:36:07]  Let's look into this extraordinary story.
[00:36:10]  About ticks.
[00:36:12]  I'm out here mushroom hunting and I found there it is right there the tick box.
[00:36:21]  I'm not going to touch it because there's ticks all over that thing.
[00:36:26]  I know there is.
[00:36:27]  Look at them crawling out of it.
[00:36:29]  Millions of them.
[00:36:30]  You can see the tick.
[00:36:32]  Ugh, that's disgusting.
[00:36:33]  That's revolting.
[00:36:35]  The only thing that could make it worse if you were to discover that at some point Bill Gates funded research into genetically engineered cattle ticks.
[00:36:42]  Now, 450,000 Americans.
[00:36:44]  Have read me allergies from AlphaGal syndrome caused by tick bites.
[00:36:49]  That's the only thing that could make it more disturbing.
[00:36:53]  Now, Alex Jones, soothsayer, shaman, priestly being, for some time has been talking about genetically engineered ticks.
[00:37:01]  That don't mean, of course, that it's absolutely true and verifiable, but you'd be a fool to turn your attention away from a story like this one when we've just been through an extraordinary pandemic where a genetically modified condition shut the world down and advanced the interests of the world's most.
[00:37:18]  Powerful elites.
[00:37:19]  Let's have a look at Alex Jones on these claims that declassified documents prove that the CIA created Lyme disease at Plum Island using infected ticks and Nazi sinus.
[00:37:31]  Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about these extraordinary tick boxes appearing on farms.
[00:37:36]  It makes my skin crawl, baby.
[00:37:38]  And this Lone Star tick, suddenly just in the last decade, doesn't just bite you and give you Lyme's disease, syphilis.
[00:37:44]  No, it gives you Alpha Gal syndrome.
[00:37:47]  It's been genetically modified.
[00:37:48]  And who's on record genetically modifying ticks?
[00:37:52]  With AlphaGal in the name of studying cattle herds and things.
[00:37:55]  Bill Gates.
[00:37:56]  There it is, the tick that causes the red meat allergy.
[00:37:58]  And it's the exact one Bill Gates has been studying for over a decade and releasing into the wild, just like he's on record in Texas, in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and other states, and in Brazil and a bunch of other places, releasing hundreds of millions of mosquitoes that are GMO modified to deliver vaccines for malaria and other things.
[00:38:16]  And then all it does is make you get ultra sick because they don't just try to make you and pressure you to take their COVID shots.
[00:38:23]  They're looking for ways, flying syringes, crawling syringes, ticks, to force this on the public.
[00:38:30]  These are control freaks.
[00:38:30]  They want to rape your health, rape your future.
[00:38:33]  They want to depopulate you on record because they think you're so stupid.
[00:38:36]  They brag in all these white papers and medical studies and Bill Gates statements and WEF statements about, oh, you think you're going to keep eating beef?
[00:38:44]  We're just going to weaponize into insects because they're trying it with mosquitoes and studies too, to then genetically engineer them where.
[00:38:53]  This pathogen gets into you, and then now you have an allergic reaction to any red meat.
[00:38:58]  I wish we lived in a world where you could dismiss as implausible a story like that, but you simply can't.
[00:39:08]  Here, Dr. Robert Malone, who's been on the show, who was so far ahead of the narrative when it came to COVID and COVID vaccines, perhaps because of his own involvement in the development of mRNA technology, has a comment on this, suggesting that government backed experiments involving ticks may have played a role in the spread.
[00:39:27]  Of tick borne diseases.
[00:39:29]  His claims are based on a study of declassified government documents, Cold War biological weapons records, and scientific research on tick borne infections.
[00:39:37]  Malone said the documents point to a series of experiments during the 1960s where scientists released ticks into the environment to track how they spread disease.
[00:39:44]  One of the most striking claims involves an experiment where more than 282,000 ticks were released in the US state of Virginia.
[00:39:51]  According to Malone's report, the ticks were marked with a radioactive substance known as carbon 14.
[00:39:56]  This allowed science to track the insects using Geiger counters.
[00:40:00]  Which detect radiation.
[00:40:01]  The goal of the experiment was to study how ticks move through the environment and how animals such as birds could carry them across long distances.
[00:40:08]  The ticks themselves were not radioactive in a harmful way.
[00:40:11]  Instead, the carbon 14 label similarly helped researchers to track them.
[00:40:15]  Malone believes the same areas where these experiments took place late saw a major rise in tick borne diseases, including Lyme disease.
[00:40:21]  There was a time where that would be purely the confines of the aluminum foil hat wearing brigade, but now it appears that those are the kind of stories you have to take.
[00:40:33]  Seriously.
[00:40:33]  So, isn't it weird that, like, just in a few moments, we look at Brene Brown, who's like a sort of a sanctioned public intellectual and public figure on that podcast, Diary of the CEO, say something that many of you will have heard before that tech elites don't allow their children to use the devices that we're casually handing over to our kids.
[00:40:52]  Like, that's a very sort of normal, ubiquitous idea that's somewhat verifiable, like that you sort of know in your half heart, oh, it's not good that my kids are looking at those screens.
[00:41:01]  You sort of feel it.
[00:41:02]  There's something like Lyme disease, if you've ever sort of been around it, or perhaps you will recall the first time you got.
[00:41:07]  COVID.
[00:41:07]  There was something sort of eerie and unnatural, parasitic and peculiar about his possession.
[00:41:12]  So when I hear a story like Lyme's disease, that's genetically engineered.
[00:41:16]  There are records of experiments where mosquitoes and ticks are being released in environments, you know, like the bioweapons and scientific research are closely aligned, like when they're looking for and developing new vaccines, it's the same funding as weapon research technology.
[00:41:33]  It's so sort of plain that you would be Ill advised to dismiss it.
[00:41:40]  You'd be more foolish to dismiss it than to explore it, even though if you do explore it, certainly publicly, you'll be called a crackpot and a lunatic still to this day.
[00:41:49]  It's kind of terrifying.
[00:41:51]  Dave, mate, when you're.
[00:41:54]  What are you thinking about these ticks, baby?
[00:41:58]  You can't, you're right.
[00:41:59]  You can't completely dismiss it nowadays.
[00:42:02]  I mean, when you read some, you see some light and you think, ah, I don't know, that's drawing a lot of conclusions and.
[00:42:08]  They're maybe making a jump, and then you're like, well, but I mean, look at COVID.
[00:42:13]  Yeah.
[00:42:14]  Yeah.
[00:42:15]  It's not very easy or wise anymore to dismiss as propaganda and lies stories that seem increasingly plausible.
[00:42:25]  Even though me, I can't keep carrying what I feel like is, oh God, another thing now ticks, mosquitoes.
[00:42:32]  So, like, it's a sort of a, I reckon that the system can kind of accommodate a certain level of a quite significant level of dissent.
[00:42:42]  Because it's all so sort of bewildering, it's hard to take it seriously.
[00:42:45]  How are you navigating here now, Jake?
[00:42:48]  I mean, in my house, anything we try to eat seems to have something wrong with it.
[00:42:52]  Allie's like on top of it.
[00:42:54]  My wife, she's just like, don't eat it.
[00:42:57]  No, it's got this in it.
[00:42:58]  So we kind of all feel like, what can we do?
[00:43:01]  Yeah.
[00:43:01]  Yeah, I still participate in these like Maha calls, you know, like the campaign and activist group that supported Secretary Kennedy when he was running as an independent.
[00:43:12]  And Now, continue to ensure that there is at least some positive media coverage available for Secretary Kennedy.
[00:43:23]  You know, that's because there's aspects of it that are simple.
[00:43:26]  Like, can you grow food organically?
[00:43:30]  Is that possible?
[00:43:31]  Is it possible to grow food locally?
[00:43:34]  Is it possible to rear animals in a way that's not got all manner of hormonal intervention?
[00:43:40]  And you would think that something as simple as transparency and clarity around medications, transparency and clarity around food, being able to somewhat control what's going into your food source.
[00:43:51]  You'd think these things would be like that.
[00:43:54]  One of the reasons I suppose I sort of remain optimistic about the Maha movement is it's not about religion, it's not about ideology, it's about things that affect everybody what you eat and medicine.
[00:44:07]  But like, it's to try and leverage any kind of interventions near impossible, like such little victories.
[00:44:13]  We've managed to get this one die out of the food supply.
[00:44:17]  And when you talk to Ron Paul, did you see our conversation with Dr. Ron Paul?
[00:44:23]  It's like you really need.
[00:44:26]  Particular constitution to live in this world and to sort of remain open hearted and optimistic.
[00:44:32]  And I don't know how people are doing it.
[00:44:34]  I think the point he said in that interview was when he was in his neighborhood and looking at where he lived locally, he felt good about people, which we ultimately in smaller communities, I don't feel like, oh, I hate all these people around me where I live.
[00:44:50]  It's when you see too much that you're not supposed to see.
[00:44:52]  And I think the same thing is probably true for food.
[00:44:55]  Convenience can't be the main.
[00:44:58]  Goal, and just because it's you know, for I have six kids, they always want to grab something easy out of the pantry, but maybe we're looking at it wrong, you know.
[00:45:08]  Well, yeah, certainly the one thing that is continues to be comforting and inspiring is when you're actually around human beings, it's not the same as living in the thin, desperate online world.
[00:45:22]  When we went to the crazy, witch infested Jeffrey Joby Weeks event the other day.
[00:45:29]  I met some people that are working on technology that can transform waste into energy.
[00:45:40]  And what I feel like is the, you know, aside from one's personal investigation in being able to sustain yourself through spiritual nutrition, for me, like following Jesus, like I feel like if there's any political solution at all, it has to be based on exactly what you just said, Jake the ability to meaningfully live in a community.
[00:46:04]  Like to be able to say, well, this community, we're going to eat this food and we're going to sustain ourselves in these ways.
[00:46:11]  I actually think that you can't penetrate or go through this system anymore.
[00:46:16]  I think it converts everything.
[00:46:17]  In fact, that's what I was going to say about Banksy.
[00:46:19]  Like that, whether it's punk or hip hop or any peripheral art movement, as soon as it is effective, it becomes co opted and controlled and commodified.
[00:46:30]  Nothing can remain truly anti establishment for long, because the establishment will either destroy it.
[00:46:38]  Or assimilate it, and so the only route to change is decentralization.
[00:46:44]  As long as this system exists, it will sustain itself above all else.
[00:46:48]  And it's so radical and mad that you can't rule out that ticks are being released into farms, diseases are being engineered that, uh that inhibit you, control you, affect you or reduce your efficacy.
[00:47:00]  The food supply is being annihilated that it's so um diabolical it's almost hard to contemplate where its outer edges might be.
[00:47:09]  So It's hard not to advocate for a kind of just get out of here.
[00:47:13]  Just burn your sm, do what the people who understand do.
[00:47:17]  Don't operate within, don't operate on social media.
[00:47:20]  Don't let your kids have fun.
[00:47:21]  Phones eat food that where you know that where you can recognize where it's come from and how it's been grown, you know, unless we start investigating those kind of things seriously, radically, and immediately, we're in serious trouble.
[00:47:31]  But that's just what I think.
[00:47:32]  Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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[00:47:39]  Maybe then I'll just do this vaccine medicine thing.
[00:47:42]  Yeah, that's good.
[00:47:43]  And then we're that study from about 10 years ago where Bill Gates was releasing witches, he's genetically engineering witches, Bill Gates is, and then just releasing them out in the Parties, random parties, kicking people.
[00:47:58]  That's what they do.
[00:47:58]  They've got genetically engineered booties and they will kick you.
[00:48:02]  So Dave's got something.
[00:48:04]  He's caught.
[00:48:04]  He'll be carrying that right.
[00:48:06]  His shins, you should see them now.
[00:48:08]  They're absolutely crawling with limes.
[00:48:14]  Okay, over medicalization.
[00:48:17]  Are you depressed?
[00:48:19]  I'm not surprised.
[00:48:20]  But maybe even your government prescribed, pharmacologically approved antidepressants.
[00:48:26]  Are making things worse.
[00:48:28]  Certainly, that's part of the conversation now because one of the victories, ongoing victories of 2024, 2025, is the contribution of Secretary Kennedy when it comes to the debate around big pharma and the ability of ordinary folks to oppose it.
[00:48:41]  Here he is now talking about the over medicalization crisis.
[00:48:46]  Let's have a look.
[00:48:47]  The United States does not just face a mental health crisis, we face a dependency crisis driven by over medicalization.
[00:48:56]  The data is clear one in six American adults. takes an antidepressant.
[00:49:01]  One in 10 children are on prescription medication for their mental health.
[00:49:07]  30% of college students report using psychiatric medications in the past year.
[00:49:12]  And in nursing homes, more than half of the residents are on prescribed antidepressants.
[00:49:20]  That's not a marginal issue.
[00:49:21]  This is a system level pattern.
[00:49:25]  Too many patients begin treatment without a clear understanding of the risks.
[00:49:30]  And how long they will stay on these drugs or how to come off of them.
[00:49:35]  And that's not informed consent.
[00:49:37]  We are going to fix it.
[00:49:40]  Oh, man, how do people keep it up?
[00:49:43]  Hey, so I've taken SSRIs.
[00:49:46]  I've been prescribed all manner of medication when I was younger.
[00:49:49]  Now I try not to take anything at all, except the sweet, sweet glories of Mephylene Blue to get the old mitochondria functioning good.
[00:49:57]  You, Dave, you have to take drugs to cope?
[00:50:00]  No, I don't take them now, but I've taken them before.
[00:50:03]  I don't.
[00:50:05]  I have seen a couple cases where it helped for a time.
[00:50:10]  Or just to incubate you from suicide, maybe.
[00:50:12]  Yeah, honestly.
[00:50:13]  Yeah.
[00:50:14]  What about you, Massy?
[00:50:14]  What are you saying, mate?
[00:50:17]  Yeah, I had a tinnitus once and I went to the doctors about it.
[00:50:21]  And first thing he did was go, just gave me some SSRIs.
[00:50:24]  He was like, I'll just take these.
[00:50:25]  It might go away.
[00:50:27]  So I did a bit more research into it.
[00:50:28]  And he didn't ask any questions.
[00:50:30]  I had like a problem with a nerve in my neck.
[00:50:32]  So when I moved my neck, the tinnitus went away.
[00:50:34]  He didn't ask me any of the questions on this.
[00:50:36]  He was like, Just take this powerful mind drug, you may kill yourself.
[00:50:39]  He gives you just get out of my office, and there's one for Pfizer.
[00:50:42]  I couldn't believe it, just they just hand them out like nothing.
[00:50:45]  But that's the Western medical system.
[00:50:48]  Wow, what about you, mate?
[00:50:49]  All natural, baby, all natural, all all day.
[00:50:53]  Yeah, never took anything.
[00:50:55]  Yeah, yeah.

=== Heroin Withdrawal vs SSRIs (08:02) ===

[00:50:56]  I'm I've taken like heroin actually, not today, but like, uh, it's it's really extraordinary.
[00:51:07]  Your country, I mean, America.
[00:51:10]  He's right, your Secretary of Health and Human Services, when he says there's an over medicalization, there is an appetite to prescribe.
[00:51:19]  And yeah, obviously, it goes beyond America, but it's pretty vivid here.
[00:51:23]  Here, Kennedy, who's himself in recovery, compares heroin and SSRI withdrawal.
[00:51:29]  I feel like he's saying that SSRI is worse to withdraw from heroin.
[00:51:33]  It's not that bad, heroin withdrawal, after the first 48 hours.
[00:51:36]  Yeah, the first little bit.
[00:51:39]  But then you're pretty much clear after that it's the mental.
[00:51:41]  After that, it's just a mental dependency.
[00:51:44]  Really, once it's out of your system, 48 hours, you should be.
[00:51:48]  I mean, it's just that really, why were you taking heroin in the first place?
[00:51:51]  Well, because.
[00:51:52]  I'm in total despair.
[00:51:54]  Why?
[00:51:55]  Because I've realized that life is futile and we're in a terrible, terrible, terrible and corrupt system.
[00:52:02]  Is it like train spotting, the withdrawal scene and that with the baby on the ceiling and stuff like that?
[00:52:08]  No, I didn't get no hallucinations.
[00:52:10]  I'd have liked that.
[00:52:11]  I'd have sustained that happily.
[00:52:13]  No, for me, it's the kicky legs, it's the hot and cold, not being able to get the right temperature.
[00:52:18]  That's what it was like for me.
[00:52:19]  What about you, Dave?
[00:52:20]  Extreme, restless, irritable discontent.
[00:52:22]  Yeah, they're kicky legs.
[00:52:24]  Now, a lot of people, I think, bail on that and take some heroin.
[00:52:28]  I drank and smoked weed for the first couple that I did.
[00:52:31]  When you do it without any other drugs, oh man, that's a nightmare.
[00:52:34]  It also depends how long they've been on it, the extent of it.
[00:52:38]  And I think IV users get it a little bit worse just because they've gotten more potent.
[00:52:43]  But I will say alcohol and benzos are notoriously a lot worse.
[00:52:50]  Nicotine's no fun to withdraw from.
[00:52:53]  Caffeine, like my wife, like when we were on this trip just now to Miami, she was so, like, she was like, in the morning, she was like ill.
[00:53:01]  So I was like, Have you drank, when did you last drink coffee?
[00:53:04]  And she was like, It was over 24 hours.
[00:53:05]  I guess you ain't actual, you're in withdrawal, you poor, desperate junkie of a woman.
[00:53:11]  Here's Secretary Kennedy comparing SSRI and heroin withdrawal.
[00:53:18]  Let's check.
[00:53:20]  I happen to be an actual expert on this because.
[00:53:25]  I was addicted to heroin for 14 years.
[00:53:27]  I never wanted to be.
[00:53:29]  Oh, I was constantly getting off.
[00:53:31]  I mean, the world has changed, doesn't it?
[00:53:33]  You could have the Secretary of Health and Human Services say, I'm actually an expert.
[00:53:38]  I was addicted to heroin.
[00:53:39]  Well, get the fuck out, you mad junkie.
[00:53:43]  That's actual progress.
[00:53:44]  And then getting back on.
[00:53:46]  And I went through cold turkey withdrawal probably over 100 times.
[00:53:51]  And so I know what it's like.
[00:53:52]  And it's not fun.
[00:53:54]  But it is limited, it is finite in time.
[00:54:00]  After 72 hours, it's over.
[00:54:02]  So you just have to steal yourself for 72 bad hours.
[00:54:06]  But I've watched people come off of SSRIs, and it is not even comparable.
[00:54:13]  And I watched a family member get off of them after a couple years on them, and she was suicidal literally every day.
[00:54:23]  She woke up every morning and said, I don't want to live.
[00:54:27]  And she said, The only reason I'm staying alive is for you guys, for the family.
[00:54:33]  And that's heartbreaking to hear from a family member.
[00:54:38]  And I've heard that from hundreds and hundreds of people.
[00:54:43]  The same story again and again.
[00:54:46]  It can be prolonged, and for many patients, it's completely unexpected.
[00:54:51]  And the physicians handle this by saying, oh, this is your original symptom, reasserting yourself, you need to get back on the SSRIs.
[00:55:02]  And they get locked in a lifetime cycle that is, that for many patients is absolutely cataclysmic.
[00:55:10]  This is a system failure.
[00:55:14]  I feel a pretty encouraging level of vulnerability and honesty from a powerful political figure.
[00:55:23]  I suppose we spend so.
[00:55:24]  You love him.
[00:55:24]  Yeah, I love him.
[00:55:26]  I love him.
[00:55:27]  I think out of the whole crew, he's the most legit.
[00:55:32]  Before, when all this was happening, that election, Tulsi Gabbard, I remember thinking, this is a sincere and beautiful person.
[00:55:39]  Bobby Kennedy, I know him to be a beautiful and sincere person.
[00:55:43]  And I reckon it's an indication of the inexhaustible appetite of the machine that Tulsi Gabbard didn't see her so much now and don't hear from her so much.
[00:55:52]  And I guess there's a singularity of purpose to a degree in what Bobby Kennedy is doing that means that he's not going to be involved in every single issue all of the time.
[00:56:03]  He's got a particular portfolio, doesn't he?
[00:56:06]  But you see how hard it is for him to get stuff done.
[00:56:09]  I mean, you have someone, I think he genuinely wants to just help people be healthy.
[00:56:15]  Yeah.
[00:56:15]  He genuinely does.
[00:56:16]  Yeah.
[00:56:17]  And especially kids.
[00:56:19]  I mean, he's really focused on the next generations to come and like how hard it is for him to get things through, and he's doing his best.
[00:56:28]  Yeah.
[00:56:28]  I think he's an amazing example of what can be achieved through great leadership, but also an example of what can't be achieved because of systemic bias and resistance.
[00:56:42]  I reckon that the kind of vulnerability that he just role modeled is really, really important.
[00:56:48]  Honest conversations about addiction, clarity around how dangerous the normalization of that kind of high pharmacology is that people like that.
[00:56:58]  He just said what he gave the statistics.
[00:57:00]  All of these people that are dealing with it, and it's an industry that's already been on numerous occasions exposed as extraordinarily and almost unimaginably corrupt.
[00:57:10]  The opioid crisis, what we've learned since the pandemic.
[00:57:15]  It's interesting.
[00:57:16]  Every day is another spur for revolution, a revolution that.
[00:57:22]  Don't seem to be coming, but I suppose we're not in charge of it, huh?
[00:57:28]  We're just sort of people on a stream.
[00:57:31]  We're in it.
[00:57:33]  We're in it.
[00:57:33]  It's coming.
[00:57:35]  It's coming.
[00:57:35]  Well, okay.
[00:57:36]  Well, listen, let's be heartened by Secretary Kennedy's honest admission that he himself knows what it's like to withdraw from heroin and his openness and vulnerability about a family member coming off SSRI.
[00:57:48]  It's a ubiquitous problem that whoever you are, you likely know someone that's dealing with either addiction to.
[00:57:55]  Illicit drugs or prescribed drugs, and in the end, all of those people are dealing with pain and emptiness and despair and lack of purpose.
[00:58:03]  And there is a solution, the 12 steps work.
[00:58:05]  I wish we were doing crack on this week now, but our beloved Joe is estranged out there, lost in the universe.
[00:58:12]  We'll do more of those crack ons.
[00:58:14]  And if you are suffering from addiction, please know at least this there is hope, there is a way out, and there is a spiritual solution.
[00:58:20]  It's the only solution that I know and is available to you, it's available to all of us.
[00:58:25]  So, there is.
[00:58:26]  There is a fuel and an energy and a possibility of change.
[00:58:28]  But that's just what I think.
[00:58:29]  Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
[00:58:33]  We will be back on Monday for a conversation with Jeremiah Johnson, theologian, Christian, historian, who's going to talk us through some artifacts that he believes demonstrate the historical veracity of Jesus Christ.
[00:58:45]  Who some say there is more evidence for his historical existence than Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.
[00:58:51]  No one's questioning those guys.
[00:58:53]  Anyway, we'll be back, not with more of the same, but with more of the different on Monday.
[00:58:57]  Till then, if you can, stay free.