Russell Brand and guests dissect King Charles III's US visit, mocking Trump's alleged security prank and speculating on occultist power behind the "special relationship." The conversation pivots to addiction recovery, contrasting ego-driven sobriety with selfless service exemplified by figures like Chuck C. and George Sanker. Ultimately, the episode argues that true spiritual healing requires active fellowship and helping others rather than indulging in self-pity or judgment. [Automatically generated summary]
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Elijah's Mantle and Verse00:04:13
Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist.
Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
We're going to be talking about the king's visit to your country, America, and Trump's inappropriate prank of dressing up the security staff there as revolutionary warriors.
We're going to be talking about a terrible terrorist attack in my country, the United Kingdom.
We might have a quick look at this.
Let me see.
Is that the Bible you took to court?
Sometimes I feel like you're not listening.
That's hurtful.
Sometimes I feel like you're not listening.
No, no, no.
I am listening.
I think you're cynical about human beings.
I do.
That's cynic.
I don't like that.
I do.
No.
I think you're.
I do.
No.
I think you're cynical about yourself.
Not at all.
I don't think you think you're capable of greatness.
It's pretty good.
Pretty good.
It's pretty good stuff.
Pretty good stuff.
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Here is a nurse with a verse.
Hello, Nurse Nikki.
The new light in is benefiting you tremendously.
You look fantastic.
What is the verse that you're going to share with us today?
Okay, we are reading from 1 Kings.
Chapter 19, and this is.
Hurry up and find it.
Find it quicker.
Take a long day.
Speed up.
Put the mic close to your mouth.
I'll do it.
I'll do it.
Speed up.
You've got no.
Get straight to that verse.
There's not a second to lose.
Don't you be leafing through that book now.
I found it right here.
Okay.
Do it in advance.
That's clever.
That's clever.
I'm going to make a note of that.
Find the verse before the show.
Clever.
Hold on.
Let me write that down.
Yeah.
Fuck you, Pierce.
Put a little tabs in there.
Go on.
Sorry, Nikki.
Sorry for cursing.
Just a little context.
Next, Elijah the prophet was told by God to go to this kid, Elisha.
So he departed from there and found Elisha, the son of Shaphat, while he was plowing with twelve pairs of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth.
And Elijah passed over him and threw his mantle on him.
He left the oxen and ran after Elijah and said, Please let me kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow you.
And he said to him, Go back again, for what have I done to you?
That was Elijah, just so you know.
So, Elisha returned from him, following him, and took the pair of oxen and sacrificed them and boiled their flesh with the implements of the oxen and gave it to the people and they ate it.
And then he arose and followed Elijah to minister to him.
So, real quick, implements is the plow that he was plowing with.
What's a mantle?
The mantle is like the cloak that Elijah was wearing, but in kind of Christian or spiritual context, it's like when they say, hey, he's passing his mantle on.
It's like the anointing that Elijah carried from God.
So he's anointing Elisha with his.
Before he was told by God to anoint Elisha, did he know him?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But no, you know, because here that came from that text where he's like, oh, woe is me.
Like I'm the only prophet left.
And he's like weeping.
And so maybe he didn't.
And then God goes, there's 7,000.
Passing the Spiritual Anointing00:04:18
Actually, that would have made it worse for me.
One of the things I like best is like, it's just the old rust.
I'm the old man.
Suffering on my own.
There's 7,000 of you.
Oh, what's the point?
I quit.
So why do you like that verse?
Well, we had just been talking about that yesterday, and I read it with my son.
I was just thinking about how there are times in our spiritual walk, because I think this is like a situational archetype in a sense that we run through as we mature, hit different things.
That the Lord and the Holy Spirit bring that question back to us when we're called into something of the Lord are we willing to leave behind what served us in the past season to go into the new thing that God's asking us to do?
And so I think that's a question to ask ourselves.
Again and again and again, because we have found new dependencies or new foundations, and the Lord wants us to always let Him be alone, the firm foundation that we stand on.
Thank you, Nurse Nikki.
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Let's have another quick look at this if it still hurts my feelings.
For greatness.
I've already achieved greatness.
I want to celebrate two apprentices with Donald Trump.
Oh, bless you, darling.
Can I ask you more?
Nope, hurtful.
Don't like that.
No sense of humour about it.
Let us know what you think in the comments and the chat.
If you want to be wounded as an Englishman, why not observe the visit of King Charles to the United States of America?
Our head of state, King Charles III, visited your head of state, Donald Trump, the one, the only.
Some will be saying thank God, some will be saying manifestation of God.
But let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
About Trump's abominable behaviour on this visit.
Firstly, dressing up people in the Rose Garden as Revolutionary Guards.
That's sarcastic and very, very hurtful.
Indeed, it was King Charles II, the literal last King Charles.
No, what was his name?
George.
No, it was George III.
It was George III of the Hanoverian dynasty that syphilitically and madly had to let go of the great colonies because he had, I think, gone insane in the old membrane.
But nevertheless, were it not for Cornwallis' foolish decisions, We could have kept hold of America, but it looks like it might be too late now because, well, actually, I shook hands with King Charles one time.
Did you know that?
Have I told you that?
No, I haven't heard that one.
Don't say it like you've heard all my stories.
Did you hear the story about when I went on Piers Morgan?
That's pretty good.
Have I told you the story about when I shook hands with King Charles?
You told me about the Queen, but I don't remember who she was.
That was a mistake.
There's a joke I could not get.
Whoa.
I mean, I'll do it again now.
You're not the Queen.
Right?
You better believe it.
Of course, I'm at the Queen, Joe.
What do you think you're at?
Who do you think is walking you through recovery?
Some mug, some dope off the street.
No, no, no.
These legs have been under the same table as kings and queens, mate.
It's only a matter of time before I'm knighted.
Only a matter of time.
I'm a noble by the holy hand.
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Right.
So, one time I've done something called the Royal Variety Performance in the United Kingdom.
So, you know, acrobats, all that kind of stuff, clap trap.
Anyway, this was in the old ascendancy era of old Russ in the mainstream.
And, like, I'd done a performance in front of the Queen.
It was in Liverpool.
I can't remember the name of the theatre, but it was like, I don't know, a couple of thousand people or whatever.
And Her Majesty the Queen and Prince Philip were there.
And, I Like, I could tell, see, the Queen, she didn't get where she was today.
Well, she, you know, just born into it.
Actually, let's face it, that's the way monarchy works.
But she could tell a nutter at 100 yards.
So I could see, actually, like, when the show ends, you stand in a semicircle, the performers do, you know.
So I'm just near some glittery acrobats in, like, leotards and all that.
And Prince Philip, God rest his soul, he was right up for that.
I could see him going, whoa, hello, and they were next to me.
And I was near James Blunt.
Yeah.
You're a beautiful fan.
Remember him?
It's true.
Yeah, James Blunt, he was right next to me.
Now, he's Been in the Royal Guard, so you could see that the Queen they were all over him, ex military.
He's a nice guy, actually.
James Bunn, he's all right, but he'd sung that song, he'd sung that, and everyone liked it, so like that's a safer one.
But right next to him is old Russ, all the lacquered up hair and all that kind of stuff, lasciviousness, crazy concupiscence at the tips of my crazy fingers.
And I like, I just like shook the hands.
And like, the Queen actually, she wears gloves, she she bolts by me like I was on fire.
But like, afterwards, I used to do this sort of stand up because.
It's like you're watching them come down the line.
And it's a sort of a very sort of nerve wracking feeling because also they tell you in advance how you have to deal with a member of the royal family.
Like someone comes to your dressing room.
Let me line that up.
Like when you meet Her Majesty the Queen, they say you have to bow from the head, not from the waist.
And you call her ma'am as in jam, not mom as in arm, right?
They give instructions so you don't mess it up.
So I'm like, I'll bow from the head, not from the waist.
Mam is in jam, not mam is in arm.
And that's what I'm thinking as she's coming around the semicircle, approaching Prince Philip, flirting with a trapeze artist, all that kind of stuff.
James Bond, as they're getting sort of closer and closer, I'm thinking, bow from the head, not from the waist, mam is in jam, not mam is in arm.
But in the back.
This is a bit of stand up.
This is what I love.
The bit of stand up that I used to do was, but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, grab her fucking tits.
That was a bit of stand up that I used to do.
I used to do that stand up publicly.
Oh man, oh man.
Because, no, but it was like a vertigo joke.
It was a kind of the point of the joke is you know how you think mad stuff, don't you?
Don't you think mad stuff?
You know, like you sort of like, I could jump off that balcony, or what if I just tip over this tray of drinks?
Everything will go all crazy.
Like stuff that occurs to you.
And most of us are like, I'll throw this hot tea at this person, like that.
You know, like it was that kind of thought.
It's like, this is such a potentially mad situation that the Queen's going to be standing just there.
It's too much.
Pressure like I could do something crazy, and obviously, I didn't do anything crazy.
But now, even making that joke.
Yeah.
Oh my God, in the crazy old world of today.
Anyway, I didn't do those things.
And when I subsequently met King Charles, or Prince Charles, he was then, I remember he had a bit of a clicky wrist.
You know, like his wrist was clicking during the handshake.
And that was just from an old Russ handshake, not from the famous Donald Trump handshake.
Let's see how that goes down.
The door is closed, re shut, replaced, or parted.
Pretty good job, I think King Charles did there of withstanding that handshake.
Joe, when you're doing things like, say, touching gloves, you know, in a fight, a boxing match, do you think those things are important?
Do you think a lot of people have lost the fight before they even get in the ring?
Yeah, it's traditionally you've got to do it.
But I think it's a little bit of mind games as well.
Depends about how you carry yourself.
Stamp a little bit of authority on them.
Good eye contact.
Yeah, you've got to.
He's done well, I think, Charles, there.
I think he's put in a.
Like a good, like now that may the day may come where us three in particular meet Trump, right?
Now, the handshake's gonna happen.
Is he gonna do that to us?
And are you do you want to practice it?
I think Charles probably went somewhere and hid and he was just like, Oh, like, I mean, I don't like people used to say he didn't have very big cat.
I mean, what do you think it's like?
What do you think he's actually doing?
Like, do you think in a jujitsu way, just go with it?
Do you want to try one on let's try to see what you do to me?
And I'm going to do my normal handshake.
You do to me what you think Trump does.
He goes, That's all right.
I don't mind that.
Just moving it.
It's like you see, he's still talking.
It's like yours is clicking.
I think it was yours clicking.
You got a clicky wrist.
That was actually, that was my skin.
That was just my penis emerging from my foreskin.
Now, I think that he's doing this.
I'm now you just be normal, you, and I'll do what I think Trump does.
I think he does this.
I think he tries to take you off your balance.
Go do it to me what you think he does.
I think he pulls it down.
I don't like that.
It's a downward pull.
Oh, a downward pull.
It pulls it.
It's a downward pull.
That fucks you up.
You need a tight core.
All right, I'm locking my core.
Go on, do a downward pull.
That's it.
Well, that's strong.
Oh, what happens if you fight against it?
All right, go on.
Does he like.
Oh!
Then he can do the push.
Like, if you resist, he might do the push.
One little.
Find out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How many times in your life have you had men actually grab your crotch?
Like, men.
I've got twice it's happened to me.
I won't name them because it's actually a form of sexual assault.
But I have had.
Two different men grab my crotch.
Grab it?
I grabbed your butt yesterday.
That was okay.
I didn't mind it.
You mean I have a nut tap?
Just a nut.
I mean, I have a nut tip.
Where they smack you.
You've not had a full grab.
Like in a weird way?
You've got a flick.
Well, it wasn't very nice.
Like, look, how did that cut?
Like, hey, hi, like that.
I think it was at that time I had a certain type of reputation.
And I think they wanted to see if they could get any of its magic off it.
Like Excalibur.
And he felt his power leave his body.
That's the hem of the Lord's coat.
Right, let's get back to this now.
Right, so Trump, when meeting the great King Charles III of the United Kingdom and all of her empires, I think he'd done a good job on that handshake.
But how would he have dealt with this little insult?
Americans are really laughing.
Like, Dave's laughing, Jake's laughing.
I just think he's trolling.
I mean, it's just.
It's out of order.
You're out of order!
Like, all right, what would that be?
What's the equivalent there?
What's the equivalent if, like, what if you went to Vietnam and they had, like, loads of heroin there and threw you down a tunnel?
Like, you know.
I don't know.
What's the equivalent?
There is no equivalent.
There is equivalent because America's misadventures since the Second World War have been really bad.
Let's keep thinking about it over the course of the show.
I don't want to offend Americans.
Knock the building down.
Knock the building down.
Oh, oh, oh, no, no, Massey.
This makes you feel at home, guys?
I want to distance myself.
I want to distance myself.
Oh, too soon.
Too soon.
Too soon.
It's in 20 years.
No, I'm not over it yet.
I was dressed as Osama bin Laden the next day.
If anyone dealt with it quickly, it was old Rusty, back in the MTV era.
I was a silly boy back then.
The old drugs, they'll do that to a fella.
And they're doing them patriot drums and everything.
They're taking the actual piss.
But that's nothing compared to Alex Jones' response to the people.
Save our king.
Land of Islamic pantomimes.
Land of satanic evil.
Destroying Ireland and Scotland too.
Those are not the actual lyrics, Alex.
The lyrics are send her victorious happiness.
Happy and glorious land of paedophilia.
No, yeah, I mean, those are not the lyrics.
Pretty funny, pretty funny from Alex Jones.
It's interesting, isn't it?
Because what is the special relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States now?
What is the City of London?
Why is the City of London protected from jurisdiction?
Why have they got weird different tax laws there?
What on earth is going on?
Where is real power?
Certainly, many people now don't believe that real power is held within the executive branch of the presidential office itself, even if when it comes to.
Significant stuff like, you know, I don't know, advancing holy wars in the Middle East.
But let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
What is this ceremony truly about?
Certainly not chivalry, because here is Camilla being cut down in her prime by an advancing, handshaking Donald Trump.
Although, as a true Brit, you know, Camilla is a difficult pill to swallow because many of the Brits, it's still Diana.
He looks like he's about to reverse through that hedge right out of there.
I suppose that's what Trump is about power in such an overt and readable and obvious ways, whether it's power plays like handshakes, glib announcements on Truth Social, power, vivid, lurid power.
And I suppose, isn't that what was appealing in the first instance?
Oh, this guy is playing about it.
Obvious, not like them insidious, caring, sharing, peculiar figures, your Bidens, even your Obamas, that kind of a newly emergent and evolved form of power, slick and charismatic, but still leads to the financial crash, still leads to droning in Syria, still leads to the same kind of interest.
I mean, if all this concern that seems to be defining the American political space right now, if we say, for example, it's either, is it the total lack of trust in the post Epstein Files era?
Is it the sense that Israel has undue influence?
What What is it?
What is the issue that's defining American politics right now?
Well, whatever it actually is, it seems to span the Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Bush.
It goes beyond that.
So, you know, what are we going to do with all this paraphernalia, all this mad pageantry, whether it's the lunacy of our country, the United Kingdom, and all of our, what I want to say, like our cenotaphs and our emblems and our livery or yours?
Where is real power?
Is real power.
Here, Trump, Charles also addressed Congress, I feel.
Yeah, that's what this one is.
And let's have a, and Trump does a nice little joke because of the No Kings protest, I guess.
Members of Congress, I have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you His Majesty Charles III.
See a state visit like this.
I wonder how long in advance they plan it.
I wonder how explicit they are of the intentions.
Do you wonder that it might be motivated by an awareness that the British government is deeply unpopular and that, in all likelihood, Nigel Farage will be the next Prime Minister of our country, a coalition between the Conservative Party and Reform Party, and that the monarchy have to position themselves favourably for those forthcoming events?
Furthermore, what do you Americans think?
Because it seems like the Americans there were right turned on and into our British power.
They were.
They were foaming at the gack to get their fingers all over Charles.
What do you think?
You'd be still a bit turned on by British monarchy?
I don't know, not by Charles.
I think it had its moment.
Everybody loves the Queen.
Yeah, she was good.
Everybody loved Diana.
Beautiful.
They don't really care about that.
The boys are, I mean, they're still kind of interesting.
The boys.
The boys.
Harry and Willie.
Yeah.
Those lads.
I think they've even lost a little something.
Lost a little luster when they went bold.
Needs to be a woman.
You want a woman one?
What?
It's better with a woman?
What?
Victoria, Elizabeth I, Elizabeth II?
You think women, queens?
Yeah, queens should have been.
Yeah, because there's someone to fight for, for Queen and Country.
You feel like you're doing it for like this chick, this sublime chick.
Whereas for Charles, he gives a shit.
He would have done, get out there.
They set him up for years to be like a weak, like kind of squirrely, like everything that we even saw on TV.
Well, the crown.
You're talking about the crown.
Or even before.
That's not real life, you know.
Anytime you ever saw him, even with.
Because I guess from Diana, I mean, that's ultimately where he went.
Wrong.
It's weird.
Hey, do you know what I heard the other day?
I heard that the social network, brilliant film.
Is it Fincher that made that?
I really love it.
But I just saw someone, I think maybe on Sean Ryan, saying that whole film's a total blag.
Zuckerberg's an asset.
He's owned the whole idea of some entrepreneurial figure.
Like, oh, he's a genius.
He came up with Facebook and he explained it.
This man said, look, the CIA already had this thing.
It was called Life Fun or something.
And it was all of the tech that was required for Facebook.
He goes, look, they just Look, you can see it exists.
It's registered before Facebook.
The technology exists.
And look, you can almost, I think he said, you can see that it's been given to Zuckerberg.
So, like, all those sort of figures, even something like I can't imagine that Finch is doing this, but we know when you hear that Hollywood is the propaganda arm of power, do you think it kind of works in that way?
Like, let's make a film that makes Zuckerberg look like a weird genius when really he's just a Fed, just an asset.
Do you think that's how it works?
Look at Asset 35 on the show.
That's Buzz Aldrin telling Conan O'Brien that he actually saw an animation of the moon landing, which reminds me of people saying, Did Stanley Kubrick do the fake moon landing thing?
Yeah, so little trust.
I mean, before the show started, we were talking about how even events like the assassination attempt at the press correspondence, we don't care really anymore.
It's like, oh, there's so much going on.
And even then, things are real serious, like the Iran war.
It's like, I ain't got time to care about this.
Bewilderment, so much comments.
I mean, you know, with the thing with me on Piers Morgan the other day, if something sort of somewhat innocuous, like me leafing through the Bible trying to find a quote, can glean that much attention, it starts to make you wonder about what the hierarchy of interest is really built around.
What appetites are being fulfilled?
And, you know, do we care about the monarchy?
I'm talking about Brits.
Or do we care about the crown?
Do we think that Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, et cetera, et cetera, there are these weird entrepreneurial geniuses?
Or are we starting to suspect that actually.
In the same way that the electromagnetic light range is limited by our sensory capacities, our understanding of real global politics is similarly limited.
And all of the real power and all of the real decisions are taking place beyond our control, whether that's who's going to be president and whether or not that president's going to go to a war or not commit a country to war.
Monarchs, Musk, and Public Eye00:08:23
The real power is moving invisibly and insidiously beyond our reach.
Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
I think increasingly that's what people generally think.
And hasn't it induced the sort of fatigue where you can't even really care about massive wars that will, in various economic and maybe even Mortal ways affect your life.
Here on Conan, is Buzz Aldrin saying that he saw an animation of the moon landing?
Is he saying that?
I mean, I've not watched this yet, but Massey thinks that it's an appropriate asset to help us understand our kind of fatigue and weariness and the abundance of information and the lack of trust, really, in any of it.
Let's talk about this because this is fascinating.
I remember very clearly, I think anybody who was alive at the time does.
I remember my parents waking me up and we went down and we watched you guys land on the moon.
No, you didn't.
What?
Because.
There wasn't any television.
There wasn't anybody taking a picture.
You watched animation.
See, you associated what you saw with.
I have very hazy memories.
I know.
Well, no, but what we saw was we all were gathered around the old curve top radio and listened.
And we were talking about, you know, how many feet we were going to the left and right.
And then I said, contact light, engine stop.
It was exciting.
A few other things.
And then Neil said, Houston, Tranquility Base, the Eagle has landed.
Man, how about that?
That was very exciting.
Not a bad line.
Yeah, yeah.
This was.
Buzz Aldrin does there appear to be inadvertently revealing that whatever the footage was that America watched on that famous night, it was not direct footage.
And many people who question the veracity of the moon landings similarly say, well, the tech weren't available then.
You can't get a phone signal, all that kind of stuff.
And that's an interesting and unusual moment that's difficult to find.
What on earth was Buzz Aldrin saying if not it was an animation?
Pretty clear.
Further evidence to the mistrust and distrust of that.
Situation.
Immediate aftermath of 9 11 when NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time.
It's weird to consider what Charles is going to say.
Who writes this?
What is the intention?
Where does it get approved?
Because, in a sense, our king doesn't have any constitutional power.
A monarch is a symbol.
So, what we're watching is PR.
We're watching PR.
And it says here that what he's going to talk about is Ukraine, Russia.
It's interesting.
He's going to advocate for war and war spending.
The United Nations Security Council was united in the face of terror.
We answered the call together, as our people have done so for more than a century, shoulder to shoulder through two world wars the Cold War, Afghanistan, and moments that have defined our shared security.
Today, Mr. Speaker, that same unyielding resolve is needed for the defense of Ukraine.
and her most courageous people.
Pelosi's well into it.
You know, I sometimes think we're like ducklings imprinting our affections on what we see while we're vulnerable before our eyes are barely yet open.
A monarch, a king, I reckon, even if you're someone that's important and powerful and you meet a king, part of you can't help but feel, oh, wow, like when I was a kid and I saw this royal wedding or the death of this person.
I'm part of the continuum now.
Look, here I am meeting Leonardo DiCaprio or here I am meeting Grace Kelly.
Or whoever you have personally anointed and appointed to be powerful.
Of course, though, a king is literally supposed to be God's chosen one.
And the crowning ceremony, the coronation ceremony of a British monarch, includes a very mysterious moment that is veiled and an oil anoints them out of sight.
I don't know if the crucifix is applied actually because you're not allowed to see it because it is literally meant to be a cult, set apart, sacred.
Now, if you watch a lot of peripheral, less peripheral these days, online content, you're Be aware that many people believe that these powerful families, including the British monarchy, are connected to real peculiar occultist power.
That's difficult for me because, you know, I had those meetings with them, of course, real fleeting.
That wouldn't be enough to tell if someone was a reptile or not.
But I also know people that are like good friends with, like Charles, like friends of my wife, for example.
And I remain friends with one particular woman who I really love, actually, who's married into the royal family.
And it's a little bit like, you know, having been.
Around and married to Katy Perry, and people say she's got a handler, CIA handler.
And because I know that that isn't true, it kind of muddies, or at least if it's true, it's not something I've got any evidence or experience of.
It muddies the water, even with things that I myself believe, i.e., that there is a cultist power.
Like, I wonder if you know, I've met you know, the sort of some of the Trumps and stuff like that, and been in Mar a Lago and been in those environments.
Are we saying and are we believing, and is it important?
They've got these occultist interests.
I mean, that's the stuff, isn't it?
Are they in robes?
Are they worshiping Moloch?
Does that stuff matter?
Is it enough to just rationally understand how power is maneuvering and what gets done and what doesn't get done?
Or do we need some kind of mad occultist myth to motivate us?
I don't know.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
What we can say for certain is Donald Trump did a sarcastic parade of people dressed in revolutionary paraphernalia.
The king advocated for more war expenditure.
And.
I suppose you sort of don't you in a moment when you see Nancy Pelosi furiously applauding, advocating for prolonging a war that probably can't be won by Ukraine against Russia, that we're all just in some mad simulation?
Let me know what you think in the comments chat.
I think we sort of more or less are.
I think maybe the real powerful people are you're not seeing those guys.
Yeah.
Like they're not probably in the public eye as much or hide it a lot more.
They're using the people in the public eye in some sort of way or fashion.
I think those guys are behind the scenes.
You know, it's not that long since they threw formerly Prince Andrew, not Prince Andrew anymore, because of his involvement in the Epstein files.
And my general sense is if the person can be sacrificed, they're not that close to power.
I've heard people say that probably Epstein weren't really that powerful, it was just a broker, an agent, whatever.
How far does this stuff go?
How deep does it go?
And how can we sort of even maintain an interest in something like this type of pageantry when we really can't even be bothered to pay attention to?
Horrific, terrible wars in which some Americans have already died.
If only there was some way of knowing what's actually going on, maybe via lip reading you can tell by lip reading apparently, at least that's what's claimed here.
A lip reader has revealed what President Donald Trump and King Charles whispered about in the opening moments of the British monarch's trip to the White House on Monday.
Nicola Hickling told the Daily Mail that the president brought up both Saturday's shooting at the White House correspondence dinner and disturbing news about Russian President Vladimir Putin during the brief exchange.
Told the king on the shooting, I wasn't prepared, but now I am prepared, before telling him that Putin wants war.
The king tries to brush it off with, We will discuss this later, before the president warns, I've got a feeling if he did what he said, he will wipe out the population.
Once again, the king tries to end the conversation on.
There's a real small talk disjunct between those two, and they're like, Trump's small talk is, I got a feeling it's going to wipe out a whole population.
And Charles's like, Can we just go inside?
Like, that's not a good rapport.
Like, one person saying there's going to be a genocide, and another person saying, I'm here for tea.
Okay, genocide, you say.
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Ah, the wrists, they're chalking into naught but dust.
Let's see if I'm ready to watch this yet.
Is that the Bible you took to court?
Sometimes I feel like you're not listening.
No, still hurtful.
Don't like that.
Don't like that.
It's not nice.
Hurtful, very hurtful.
Very unfair.
Especially me, a person with.
Addiction issues, especially me, an author of How to Become Christian in seven days, available now from Tucker Carlson Books.
Get your copy, let me know.
Hey, let's do a book club.
Let's do a read along.
In fact, I'll read a passage from it now that I've prepared.
Yeah, I'm not doing that joke again today.
Hey, it's time now for crack on.
Let's crack on.
Some of us are struggling with addiction.
Are you struggling with addiction?
And let me know too if you watch Sunday service, me and my wife, just chilling and being with the Lord together.
We're trying to make content that's a little bit more enriching.
One thing I did feel when I was sort of like the Piers Morgan thing.
Right.
I like you when you're holding a guitar.
It makes me really feel like I'm the lead singer.
You're the lead guitarist.
Dave, he's now Joe's playing the drums because the drummer's always on the brink of Cause the Fight.
Massey would play some sort of instrument like a sitar that no one ever likes.
He's the actual drummer.
That's the one thing I can bring to the table.
Yeah, he's an actual drummer, isn't he?
No, he brings a lot to the table.
He makes those things.
Dave, what's Dave doing?
Managing the whole band or is he rhythm section?
I don't know.
Anyway, my point is like, what's compromising?
Is when you're when you sort of know that the culture is broken in every kind of con in every conceivable way that it's a kind of an evil thing.
When you go into it, you have to acknowledge that you are going into it.
Why are you going into it?
What do you want?
What are your motivations?
You have to check your own motivations.
You have to, you know, and if your own motivations aren't good, and I suppose sometimes mine aren't, at least your only motivation should be serve God.
And if you're not doing that, you're in serious trouble.
Um, all right, let's do uh, let's do it's time now for.
Crack on.
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Joe, I see you've bought Working with Others is what we're going to focus on today.
And could you talk us through that and what that is?
Do you want to do the reading?
Have you got it, or shall I do it, mate?
You do the reading.
All right.
Two days later.
I'll bring up another bit that's relevant to it.
All right.
Two days later, a future fellow of Alcoholics Anonymous stared glassily at the strangers beside his bed.
Who are you fellas?
And why this private room?
I was always in a ward before.
Said one of the visitors, We're giving you a treatment for alcoholism.
Hopelessness was written large on the man's face as he replied, Oh, but that's no use.
Nothing would fix me.
I'm a goner.
The last three times I got drunk on the way home from here, I'm afraid to go out the door.
I can't understand it.
For an hour, the two friends told him about their drinking experiences.
Over and over, he would say, That's me.
That's me.
I drink like that.
Joe, why?
Well, there's a little bit more of that reading.
What page was that on, Jake?
Oh, hold on.
Another page.
Sorry, sorry.
I was having some trail mix.
I was having some trail mix, all right?
Is that a crime now?
Russell Brand, add some trail mix.
Russell Brand grabs nuts by the nuts.
Yeah, let me get some of those.
And berries by the berries.
The man in the bed was told of the acute poisoning from which he suffered, how it deteriorates the body of an alcoholic and warps his mind.
There was much talk about the mental state preceding the first drink.
Yeah, that's me, said the sick man.
The very image.
You fellows know your stuff, all right, but I don't see what good it'll do.
You fellows are somebody.
I was once, but I'm a nobody now.
From what y'all tell me, I know more than ever that I can't stop.
At this, both the visitors burst into a laugh.
Said the future fellow Anonymous, Damn little to laugh about that I can see.
The two friends spoke of their spiritual experience and told him about the course of action they carried out.
That's page 157 of the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous.
So, that little bit there towards the end, right?
He said, I used to be somebody and I'm a nobody now.
And then they laugh, right?
They're laughing and it mentions they share their spiritual experience.
And it's like, I think people overlook that.
So they're laughing because what he's sort of saying is, I used to be someone, I had this identity, I had this job, this role, and I was someone in society.
But he was an alcoholic, couldn't stop drinking, right?
So the whole idea of the process of the 12 steps and having a spiritual awakening is the complete detachment from the illusion of the little self, the little avatar that you've built up.
And they're laughing, like, oh, you think you were someone, dear?
Well, look at the state here.
You've got to let go of all that.
That's the whole idea of these steps.
And I like that little bit there.
So, like, I think a lot of people when they first get sober, Fall under the illusion that now I'm going to get sober and I'm going to achieve this and that and I'm going to be someone, I'm going to do something.
And it's the complete opposite.
You've got to let go of that because that, I think, feeds into the illness.
And sometimes it's what keeps us trapped in addiction, is that wanting more.
But I was listening to a talk today from Tim M.
I know we mentioned him a lot on this podcast.
And he likens it to playing a character.
Yeah.
Like if you were, if you're an actor and you were playing a character and saying, like Macbeth, yeah.
And your character gets murdered in it, yeah?
And you're playing that show every night and you're getting so attached to it, like it'd be torture.
Do you know what I mean?
If you didn't know you were the actor, like, oh, I'm going to die again and again and again and again.
And it's learning to, like, oh, we're spirit, we're spirit having a human experience.
And I guess that's the idea of the spiritual awakening is to let go of who you think you are.
And I like in the book, there's another reading which I didn't know whether to use this one instead, but this sort of emphasizes the extent you should go to with carrying.
The message and practicing the 12th step.
It says here, page 97 helping others is the foundational stone of your recovery.
A kindly act once in a while isn't enough.
You may have to act the good Samaritan every day.
If needed, it may mean the loss of many nights' sleep, great interference with your pleasures, interruptions to your business.
It may mean sharing your money and your home, counseling frantic wives and relatives.
Innumerable trips to police courts, sanitariums, hospitals, jails, and asylums.
Your telephone may jangle at any time of the day or night.
Your wife may sometimes say she's neglected.
A drunk may smash the furniture in your home or burn a mattress.
You may have to fight with him if he is violent.
Sometimes you'll have to call a doctor and administer sedatives under his direction.
Another time, you may have to send for the police.
Or an ambulance.
Occasionally you'll have to meet such conditions.
Like this week, I've been all fucked up over like work stuff and trying to set up a new little business and dealing with all like bureaucracy and all that sort of stuff and attaching all sorts of like self worth to external bullshit.
And like, really, what it's saying is if you're practicing your 12 step, living it to that extreme.
Like, if I'm doing that, will everything else sort itself out?
Or do I just not care that it won't sort itself out?
I really don't know.
I find it so hard sometimes.
I can pull one way or another.
Do you know what I mean?
And this week it's been like too much worldliness and concentrated on the external.
But I feel like God wants me to be well off and in a good position, ultimately, so that I can help other people.
But it's always hard, isn't it, to find the balance, you know?
I love it.
I love that your first observation is, which I'd not seen before, and you know how clever I am, was that that guy has like gone.
You know, he's attached to his old identity.
And yeah, we do do that sometimes, don't we?
Lament, you know, lament.
Oh, I used to be this, I used to be that, I used to have this, I used to have that, not recognizing that we were kind of dead in sin or lost in addiction, however you want to look at it.
That's a great observation that, you know, I like it that they laugh as well, that they sort of crack up at him and like how insensitive that is when you're visiting a man.
That gaze is beating up nurses on the ward and all sorts of things, like an handful, that fella.
And I'm like, so.
Though, when you sort of then reconcile or counterpoise, as the program indeed does, that false identity in the world with what is required actually to be a genuine person who's walking the spiritual path, like that list, as it gets increasingly specific, is madly hilarious, isn't it?
Look, oh, you might have to, your missus might complain, your phone might jangle day or night, someone might set fire to a mattress.
I mean, that one must have happened, didn't it?
Someone's got set fire to a mattress.
In his house.
One of my favourite AA 12 step stories was like a guy saying he fell asleep with a fag on, a cigarette on.
It caught fire first to his clothes and then the bed while he was asleep.
He woke up to find his bed sort of on fire and smoking, got up, pissed all over it to put it out, and then got back in the bed and went to sleep and said, I'm a genius.
Only a few people in the world would have thought of that.
That's a sort of a mad insight.
But like, you know, we might have to issue a sedative, that you might have to fight with someone.
I'm thinking of some of what are the hardest things I've had to do.
As a person in recovery.
And like at the beginning, it says something like it's not the occasional act of kindness.
I'm quite inclined towards that modality, Joe.
I'm quite inclined to, oh, this is getting shit.
I better do an act of kindness.
You know, because I get consumed myself, like getting, you know, teased on the internet, say, for not finding the old Bible passage there.
Like that's like, ah, I don't like that.
You know, but if you were living a life where you were continued, like, I just was totally devoted to, you know, there's people up and down where I live, there's, Treatment centers where there's like women that have been brassing themselves, have had a bunch of abortions from being on the game.
There's geezers that have had the shit kicked out of them by life.
You know, if I spent, I don't know, three hours a week, an hour a day, like directly in the weeds with them, like how am I going to get it up to go, I don't like it when that happens?
I won't be able to get it.
I won't be able to get wood for my own self pity.
What about you, Dave?
Do you do enough, or are you, as we've always suspected, a very selfish fellow?
I'll go through seasons.
I think of, well, there's a couple things with that passage.
One, I love how if you've ever had the experience of having someone that you've struggled with something that all these other people are like, dude, just stop doing that or just curve it down or, you know, what are you taught?
They don't understand it.
And then you have two guys come in there and they don't preach at you, they just explain.
themselves.
They tell their own story.
They tell their own mental obsession.
You know, working with others, when it starts going through it, it talks about how we match their mental states.
And so you're not even supposed to talk about the steps until they ask, you know, ask for it.
Like, what'd you do?
And then you just explain your experience, but you don't go, hey, this is what you need to do, recover.
Right.
Which I've done that wrong, you know, a ton of times too.
I've come in hard and didn't.
Didn't it tell my story to have them relate and go, this guy knows?
This guy knows.
You have to build a deal where you're going, okay, Joe understands what it's like to live with this mental obsession.
I love that.
I think they laugh also because if you've ever had the experience of when you're seeing someone in it, you get it.
You were there.
And so they're like, yeah, brother, like that hopelessness, you know, it's almost laughing at themselves of like where they are today of seeing themselves back then.
I think that, but.
I've had crazy experiences.
So when it says burn the mattress, you know, and bite them and send it, like, I've had just about all that.
I've had guys catch themselves on fire.
I've had, I mean, I have story after story because I ran sober living homes for years.
And so I had thousands of guys that came through there.
And then I was also so active in AA.
I was taking the phone lines at night.
Oh, I got plenty.
One guy caught himself on fire up in the gymnasium because he was praying for his girlfriend, is what he said when I put the fire and put out the fire on his pants and threw him into the car and took him to the emergency room.
And as we're driving, I'm like, what happened?
He's like, I don't know.
I was just upstairs.
I was praying for my girlfriend and I just caught on fire.
Turns out he was huffing paint thinner to light a cigarette.
His hands caught on fire.
Yeah, my sister calls him liar, liar, pants on fire.
Brilliant.
Perfect.
Another one, I had a guy call.
I was taking the AA lines at night, and this guy calls and he says, I'm going to kill myself, and then hangs up.
Mick Ferret and Honest Stories00:15:42
And then I thought for a minute, hey, surely I need to call back this number and see who it was.
And so I called back.
It's a bar, it's city over.
And I said, hey, someone called Alcoholics Anonymous.
And before I could even finish, they said, yeah, we know who it is here.
And they give this guy a number, and I said, Hey, I'm going to come.
I'm going to come there and talk with you.
You know, there's a, I looked it up and I'm like, Hey, there's a IHOP nearby.
I'll take you over and get you a cup of coffee and talk with you.
He said, I'll be in the guy, I'm the guy in the bar that looks like Gary Busey.
Sure enough, the dude looked just like Gary Busey.
And I spent the whole night, I mean, whole night just keeping the guy alive.
To be honest, I mean, he tried to jump out of the vehicle going down the highway multiple times, pulled out a knife on me at one point.
He tried to start a fight with a gang at a gas station.
You know, it was quite a night, you know, and I wouldn't let him drive his car.
And so, but then I got a call from him about a month later, just randomly.
He's like, you know, remember that guy?
He's like, I've been plugged in, I just did my four step, and, you know, Which is really cool.
I haven't heard from him since, but I have story after story of things like that.
I've had to take a lot of guys to the hospital that have OD'd.
Some have made it, some of them we didn't get there in time and they died in my car.
I've woken dudes up that were dead.
I mean, I just had a lot of those experiences, which was so helpful for me at the time because I could, it's almost like you, if there's a scale on that, I was so weighed on this side, right?
Where, and especially.
Early in sobriety, if you're going to go one way or the other, go more into helping with others than worry about career and job and getting my life.
And amazingly, in some ways, that elevated my life.
Like just getting out of self, helping others.
Like, I don't know if I'd be where I am today worldly if it wasn't for that.
I think God will handle those other things.
But I do think you can't, I mean, the book even says you can't make a soul vocation of it.
You know, you have to take care of your family.
You have to have.
Breaks and go on date night with your wife and do stuff like that too.
Joe, you got some good ones of getting stuck in?
No, only one.
I've been on one little 12 step call to a fella who was drinking, and me and my mate went around there and it was just to sit with him.
I think his wife had called my friend, and we went around there and sat with him and took the vodka off of him and all that.
I actually felt quite guilty for taking it off him because he still wanted to drink.
Do you know what I mean?
So I was a little bit conflicted with it.
I kind of thought, really, you've got to let this run its course.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's the same.
You know, when people get up and leave meetings and stuff when they're new in and all that.
Like, I've done that.
I remember doing it when I was a year sober.
It was one of those meetings where it goes round and it shared one person shares, then the next person, the next person going around the room clockwise.
And I was like, I didn't really want to share, I half wanted to drink, and it got to the person next to me, they shared, and then they opened it up for open sharing.
I've like lost my head, got up and walked out.
I went to drink, but the only place I could find was an Indian restaurant, and it just shut as I went to get in.
But I did drink the next day anyway, and it was chaos, and it lasted a good few days.
But ultimately, like that was going to happen anyway.
Do you know what I mean?
And even if someone did.
Follow me out and I'll come back in and listen.
Like, you're not going to do it.
Do you know what I mean?
Maybe you're done when you're done.
And I think in that story, there, the guy's like, he's had enough.
And he even said to him, Look, I'm a goner.
Last time I was here, I couldn't even make it down the road without getting drunk.
And I don't know why.
Like, he knows he's done and he knows he don't want to drink.
But he also knows that he's going to.
And I think that's when that's when step one starting to land, really, because you're acknowledging the absolute futility of it.
Like, no matter what I do, I'm going to drink and I don't want to drink and I don't know why.
And then it's like you're receptive to, Recovery, I think, like that's the little window of opportunity.
But I haven't really got many stories of that, to be honest with you.
And I think, like, on the topic of living the 12 step predominantly, like that is your main focus in life, carrying this message and the other stuff, the worldliness, it'll either come or it won't.
You'll either get successful with a business or whatever.
Maybe it comes, maybe it don't.
I don't know.
And I'm curious to know what you two think.
Has this changed in AA or any 12 step fellowship over the years?
Like, Where I'm a little bit younger for some of the meetings that I go to, all that look, I'm five years and the obsession to drink and use drugs has been removed.
And for me, that's a miracle.
I couldn't have imagined that in the beginning.
So that's what everyone's there for, right?
And if you're new and you can't stop drinking, it shouldn't matter who it is that carries that message to you.
It's just you need it, right?
But I think a lot of people look at sponsorship and they think, well, what have you got?
What makes you attractive to me?
Do I want what you've got?
Do you know what I mean?
It's almost like that old thing that guy's saying, I used to be someone and I'm going to be like that little delusion that you're going to be something is still there and it's so strong that sometimes people might look at someone like me and think, not him.
You want someone who's pulling up in a fucking Rolls Royce or you know what I mean?
Looks like they've got their shit together in the material sense because you think, oh, I want a bit of that.
It appeals to the ego still, you know?
So I find it quite difficult to find enough people to help, although I am willing.
Although maybe I need to be more willing and I don't know, go to some sanitariums or jails or something by the sound of it.
We've all got to face that fissure, that contradiction, that dichotomy between worldliness and the world of the spirit and check our motivations.
What is it that's making you cross the room?
What's it that's making you get out of bed?
Someone like, say, Nick the ferret, who's got, I guess he's probably got 50 years now.
In 12 step programs, he's not a person who, um, there's a few things that I find very interesting about Mick the Ferret.
He's probably 80, I bet.
He used to be like a poacher, you know, poach animals in the UK.
As you know, gun laws are different and hunting is different.
Essentially, it's not easy to get involved in guns and hunting unless you've got money in the UK, really.
But once in a while, you'll encounter people on the edges, like people that got BB guns or people that have like hustled with rabbits and ferrets and weasels and stuff like that.
And Mick.
The ferret is one such, like they do beat in for the main shoots that cost, I don't know, 500 quid a gun and 50 quid a bird to shoot pheasants.
Yeah.
Like, Mick the ferret is one such.
My uncle was a gunsmith, as a matter of fact, so he was sort of around that and around that kind of rural activity.
My cousin, he works over here and is connected to gun stuff.
Mick the Ferret, hey, he's a kind of mystic of the land, actually, like an old guy that's got loads and loads of time.
And the other thing about him is he's not, you wouldn't call him an intellectual either.
He's not like, he's not dealing with you from a place of intellect.
Now, twice today, I've felt about the idea of you can't transmit what you don't have, and the idea of seek thee first the kingdom of God, actually, somewhat in relation to.
What could be without the program I have and the support I have, a kind of a resentment about the experience of going on Piers Morgan.
But what you realise when you have a program is what is it that you can learn and could do differently if you've got a particular aim.
And what's really come to me is that someone like Mick the Ferret, he would, I reckon, if dealing with a drinking alcoholic, just like listen.
And then tell them his story.
Or someone like Tim M., who is a robust intellectual.
And anyone that goes to 12 step meetings anywhere, you'll encounter all these types.
You know, someone like Sandy B., who was like a very mystical but warm, avuncular storyteller, but sort of so clever.
And then like sharp intellectuals like Tim M., that have a kind of a priestly Jesuit hardness.
You meet all these kind of folk prophets.
I sort of think of them as have you had that, Dave, like in your recovery?
Yeah, like mentors that like know it.
Now, when I'm in my, like, all of us have this priestly aspect, this prophetic aspect, this divine, what you might call in a Jamie Winship way, author of Living Fearless and guest of the show, like, an identity that is your true identity in Christ.
And right at the beginning, Joe was talking about identity.
Our man there, Bill Dodds, I think was his name, in the bed, that alcoholic number three, he's like talking about his earthly identity.
And he's up out of that bed and participating in a political campaign within a week, I think, like, sort of campaign this anchor or another.
I'm like, but your identity, what is your identity in the world?
When you hear about another identity, Of 12 steps or AA specifically, in this case, Chuck C. I was always really moved by this story that I heard on a Sandy B speaker tape that his job, his world job, was the installation of the kind of freezers that you find in grocery stores and supermarkets where the frozen goods are kept.
And but that when he would do his work, he would conduct it in the spirit of the program, which the more I get into it is indistinguishable from the spirit of Christ for me, other than obviously the explicit declaration of Christ, which is a you know requirement of.
True Christianity, Christian faith is like you got to live your life in God, whatever it is you're doing, and all the time know what it is you're doing and be rigorously honest with yourself.
And if you're coming from fear or desire, if you don't take that to the Lord, you know, to your higher power, like it says in sort of step 10, first pray for God to remove it.
Oh, God, I think I'm in fear.
I think I'm in desire.
If that don't work, talk to another person.
If that don't work, inventory it.
If that don't work, lean right into helping someone immediately.
Stop.
Get out of yourself.
Start helping somebody.
Now, I've been doing this program for a long, long time, and I still don't naturally behave like that or think like that.
I still like to double down and drill deeper into self, Chuck C, though, one time, as the story goes, he installed a whole set of freezer units in some grocery store, and they went, Oh, we don't want them there.
We want them on the other side, even though they'd clearly asked for them where he'd installed them.
And he, Chuck C, just went, No problem, and set it all up on the other side.
And like they say that Chuck C wouldn't go, You're best.
Cover my costs for this.
No, he would like, wouldn't even mention it.
In the end, they insist on paying him.
Like, it's such a faith in God.
And I heard a thing about, like, sort of, what's his name?
Is it George?
He's one of them sort of Christians that's around the time of Spurgeon.
It might be like, or maybe even earlier.
But anyway, this dude, George Sanker, runs an orphanage and would make a point of never asking for human, like, never would ask human beings for help or funding ever.
Just would go, God, this orphanage, we're going to run it with you.
Like, that commitment, like, what I've encountered in saintly people, and the one that comes to mind mostly is Amma.
Like, she runs that ashram, 10,000 people.
Someone said of her, she don't have a private life.
And I thought that was interesting because what they're sort of saying is there's not a bit of her life.
Where she goes, and now, though, time for me.
Like, one can imagine that Mother Teresa of Calcutta was like that.
That Mother Teresa of Calcutta ain't going to go from doing all her devotional work at the hospital and then going, do you know what?
I'm just going to go online and look at some new shoes or there's a geezer I like.
I'm going to check him out on Bumble or Hinge or whatever.
Like, she ain't ever turning away from God, ever.
And that's what that Emma, I felt like that around Emma.
She's obviously not a Christian, she's a Hindu, and the Brahmin class around her believed that it'd be a reincarnation of an aspect of Kali.
And certainly she was godly, I'll tell you that.
And really, like, the reason I love 12 steps into the Lord, into Christianity, into Christ is because I think it's so foundational, 12 steps, in that it tells you, yes, you've got to stop drinking, right, or taking drugs or whatever.
And then you do that, and it's like, oh my God, oh my, I can't cope.
Right.
Why can't you cope?
I don't like myself.
I don't like life.
I don't like the world.
Like, it exposes everything.
It exposes, I think, the core issue of addiction, a spiritual thirst and hunger, which obviously was Jung's diagnosis of.
You know, sort of a 0.0 alcoholic, also.
So, like, of course, in the end, it starts, you're lucky, blessed, that you start with a really clear object drink or drugs.
But the problem is, like, all of us, we dismount too early.
We get off the train too early.
Because it's like, oh, actually, I'm doing sort of all right now.
And, like, I see the sounds think that your sort of, you know, your situation, your circumstances, Joe, where you're doing a five year stretch of, ah, I don't know why.
Why can't I go back to the railways and earn this and that and have a Mercedes and, ah, you're Bill Dodds, man.
I was someone.
I used to be someone.
But really, God's like, not yet, not yet.
It's all from God.
It's all from God.
That's what I like about the mentorship I'm getting out of Jamie Winship, huh?
He's like, when I ring him, he's not like Piers Morgan.
Oh, you should have said this, you should have said that.
Or why don't you, you know?
He's just like, good.
That's exactly what you needed.
Well done.
Excellent.
Excellent.
What did you learn?
Cool.
Brilliant.
Well done.
Excellent.
You took all that for two days.
They weren't saying gays or trans people or refugees or Muslims or Jews or whatever for 72 days.
It was all about you.
And those people will be doing that now about something else.
And they were doing it before about something else.
You took it for 72 days.
Nice work.
Toughen you up, son.
Did it toughen you up?
Get ready.
Get ready.
Might not be your last fight.
Might not be your last fight.
You know?
And I'm like, that's what I feel like I'm going through.
And the job is don't ever try and take it back for Russell.
I feel it even now like I've jazzed myself up and I want it for Russell.
You know?
So I guess we've got to take everything as being from his hands, schooling us.
Preparing us.
And that's in a way I can see that all my conversations, whether it's with Joe Kent or Joe McCann or Piers Morgan or Megan Kelly, it's like the same thing I'm saying is what are we doing here?
Like, what are we fucking doing here?
Like, you know, what do you want?
A blowjob?
A billion dollars?
Like, it's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
And like that, we're lucky, blessed, because we've been the shit, we had the shit kicked out of us again and again and again.
And every time I try and go back into, Make me look good, make me look good.
Bang!
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
I remember, Just God, just God, just God.
If you think about the early days, I love the passage in the book where it says, The desperation of a drowning man.
My sponsor would always say, Give me desperation over willingness any day.
There's the thought of throwing out a life raft for someone.
They don't care what color it is, they don't care what it looks like.
They're drowning.
They're drowning.
Give me anything that will help.
You know, will it save me?
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And I think like my sponsor runs a book bindery business, you know, but man, the hundreds, possibly millions of people he's helped, he's a worldwide speaker.
And man, that dude, that dude helps more on a daily basis than I'll help in months.
Yeah.
Maybe a year, you know, like he, it's like he's, and I look to that and I go, I want that.
You know, I'm not looking, going, okay, what's his bank account?
What's he driving?
What's he's, you know, I'm looking, it's like, man, this dude's got wisdom.
Tim M says, like, an hour meeting and then, like, two hours on the phone with sponsees every day.
And then I see, like, who was it out there?
Like, that dude Clancy that runs all of the Pacific groups out there in LA.
That guy, his meetings, everyone wears a suit.
He's, God rest his soul.
Like, everyone used to, like, dress 50s style, like, for their meetings, like, how you would get a suit on, you know, It's become sort of big, and some people within AA go, Oh, it's a cult within AA.
You know how little cults can start within it.
But like I heard that that guy just lived it with the same devotion that you would expect of an entrepreneur or a business person, like on it, doing it, but working for God.
We can all say that.
And I always feel like when people participate in, say, even very big charity things, I think this is bollocks because charity is a subset of the system.
It's probably a tax break.
Basically, bollocks, you're not affecting the system, you know.
That's how I think, and the thing about the direct action aspect of 12 steps, I like as well.
And, like, you know, I've got men that I could be helping, I see bliss people that go to meetings that I attend that are regularly in a treatment centers, and I know I should be doing that, and I don't because I'm too selfish, like, you know.
And I, well, when you do, I think there's times that I mean, we all could be doing it better.
I can be doing better.
Joe can, Russell can.
But like when there's seasons though, when I am doing it, I'm like, why have I not been doing this every single day and getting it?
Why don't I start my day with thinking about others and starting to.
It's like pornography.
When you stop looking at pornography, you're like, oh God, why would I ever do that?
It's disgusting.
And I've not looked at it for about five years.
And then you watch a bit of porn, you're like, oh my God, this is amazing.
Why don't I do this all the time?
Like, it's the spiritual version of pornography.
Porn.
When you do good things for others, you realize, oh my God, this is it, this is it.
And then you, you know, and then you sort of stop.
I always stop because I feel good.
I'm like, I feel right now.
Let's go back to me again.
Yeah.
The path, it's pretty clear, really.
I mean, they call it a broad highway, don't they, in 12 step literature.
And yet they say, narrow is the path as we go along it, as we proceed.
As we proceed, it becomes narrow.
Somehow, this must all make sense.
I guess it's like, I suppose the broad highway part is if Dave is particularly called to do X and Joe Y and me Z, yeah, that's right, Z, not Z, then like, you know, that it can accommodate that.
It can accommodate that.
But there isn't really what we have to watch out for is the diabolical fallenness of a human being and the tendency just to unconsciously migrate back to self centered, selfish, self centered, selfish, self centered.
What does he call it?
Jamie Winship in his Living Fearless self promote, self protect mentality.
That you go back to self promote, self protect.
That from that mindset, you can't succeed.
That's what I really like.
The actual fellowship it talks about in the big book isn't that we see each other in an hour meeting.
Right.
That, oh, I see.
Are you making the eight o'clock this morning?
Okay, I'll be there.
That's not really the fellowship it talks about.
The fellowship's like when me, Russell, and you go to London and what we're going through, we're talking about our own stuff, but also we're looking for people we can help.
When we're in Boca Raton, what, three weeks ago?
And the drivers, he was in AA and then he's got someone that's struggling that we call her up on the phone and 12 step on the way that like, When you're around other guys in 12 stepping people and looking for opportunities to be on mission together, that's where I think the real fellowship is.
Two things I heard one is if it's not inconvenient, it's not service.
I hate that.
And also, I don't like that.
And God has enough saints, but He always needs drivers.
Man, get on, put the yards in, put the yards in.
Okay, well, Jake has selected.
Did us a beautiful bit of scripture.
I'm sure it's beautiful.
I ain't looked at it yet to round us off.
On hearing this, Jesus said to him, It's not the health you need, a doctor, for the sick.
I've not come to call the righteous, the sinners.
Why this?
Why now, Jake?
It's just a reminder we're all in that same place together.
It's just a reminder that we're all in that same place together, and that's what Jesus is after.
So anybody across any part of their journey, if there's ever like a sense of judgment, Or, you know, we feel like we're better off than anyone else.
That's the reminder.
It's like he's come for the sick, for the broken.
That should be our focus as well to help others and bring them to Jesus.
Yeah, and like not be repulsed, hey, when someone is like, because I still now get really annoyed when people are in their addiction or in their sin, in their flesh, as you would say, Jake, or in their brokenness.
It's like, oh, I don't like this.
Get off.
I can handle like, You know, I'm very good at spot checking a junkie.
Like, you know, send me in.
I'd like to be Delta Force 12 steps.
Like, you know, like when people are really messed up.
Send me in for that.
All right, how's it going?
Razmataz, razmataz.
But the grind of dealing with the disappointments and all of that kind of stuff.
But usually that is a two way thing, isn't it?
Anyway, I've got a bit of scripture that I think sums this up perfectly.
And it's better actually than Jake's one.
Excuse me.
I'll be there in a minute.
Just a moment.
Just give me a second.
No, that's not it.
It's my new thing that I can do now.
All right.
Well, thanks for joining us for Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell.
If you have got addiction issues with chemicals, there's a whole bunch of anonymous fellowships that deal with that.
But for behavioral things, sex, food, gambling, debt, hoarding, you name it, people are addicted to it because we live in a fallen world.
But thankfully, there is a way out if you have a spiritual awakening and the ongoing support of a like minded community.
Good to be reminded today by Dave that fellowship's not just occasionally turning up somewhere, fellowship is you've got skin in the game.
You've got skin in the game, like you're willing to fight and die and bleed alongside the people that you love.
And, you know, we're not getting out alive anyway, so it'd be good to have something to believe in.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
We will be back next time.
Not with more of the same, but with more of the different.