Russell Brand and Megyn Kelly dissect Trump's alleged $250 million sale to Miriam Adelson for Israel's interests, debating whether his border policies outweigh his moral flaws. They explore Epstein conspiracies, the dangers of counterfeit kingdoms, and Brand's Christian faith against systemic evil. The discussion shifts to financial freedom via Bitcoin versus fiat control, critiques Trudeau's handling of truckers and Nazi invitations, and concludes that resisting state coercion requires bold truth-telling rather than fetishized hatred or idolizing false gods. [Automatically generated summary]
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Independent Media Migration00:04:19
Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist.
Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
Right now, I'm in New York City with Piers Morgan and Megyn Kelly doing content to promote this book, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days.
This book, I've actually, you know, whenever you do anything creative, what you're trying to actually do is deliver on some premise that you intuitively felt.
In this book, I have done it.
I have written what I intended to write.
I have explained how I went from not being a Christian to being a Christian.
The profound change.
I reckon if there's one thing that I want you to understand about it, it's that all of the things that I carried with me up to the point of getting to know Christ have remained, i.e., the world is controlled by evil forces.
There is some extraordinary mystery that we're participating in through consciousness.
That's what's been profound about, firstly, the sort of psychedelic experience of knowing Christ, a kind of visceral, kinetic experience.
Psychedelia, and then the process of getting to know God through reading the Bible.
It's been a sort of awesome and transformative process that I couldn't have anticipated.
So, over the course of this show, we're going to share with you some of the mad things that happened while I was with Piers Morgan and Megyn Kelly in New York City.
Maybe I'll, you know, I once went to that mayor's residence when that last guy was mayor, because then I was much more of a sort of, you know, when you're a kind of advocating for left wing stuff, you get a lot of access.
You get access, man.
Back in those days, I was in that mayoral mansion.
What's maybe we'll pass by?
Bill was his name then, the mayor.
Now it's Mamdani's mayor.
I kind of quite like him.
I don't know, man.
I mean, I kind of like seeing that sort of tapping on the glass, tax the rich kind of stuff.
Although, I've got to tell you, I don't like it when I'm getting taxed.
So, yeah, there's some hypocrisy right there.
So, thanks for joining us.
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If you're on locals, hello.
I love you, you beautiful people.
Order my book now, please.
And over the next hour, we're going to be showing you some insights and behind the scenes activity from this extraordinary trip to the great metropolis.
See you in a second.
I don't know who this person is sitting next to me.
I've asked several times that they be removed.
The language has been abominable, at times, Islamophobic, anti Semitic, a lot of the phobias.
But no one will do anything to move her.
What's your name, young lady?
Very interesting.
Interesting, I'm gonna be keeping my eye on you.
We're on our way to New York City, we're above, I think, upstate New York or Connecticut or New Jersey.
I don't know much about geography.
I mean, look out the window.
I bet if anyone can identify that from looking at it, I'd be very impressed.
I mean, I don't even know the names of all those rivers Hudson River, East River.
I don't know, you know, I know when they're around Manhattan.
Anyway, we're on our way in there.
We're gonna be speaking to Megan Kelly, Piers Morgan.
One of the challenges I have is someone's called Megan Kelly, Megan.
Fox because she was on Fox and let's face it she's a bit of a Fox.
Piers Morgan.
I think you know he's a peer.
These are two people that, like me, lived in mainstream media and now have migrated into independent media.
They're like me, cockroach.
Power can't be killed.
So it's gonna be interesting conversations.
I'll be talking to him about my book.
I'm gonna be talking to him about well, running for mayor of London and I'm gonna be telling the absolute truth.
I'm gonna tell the truth all the time and that's gonna be interesting because what's the what?
The most famous Buildings in New York.
Yes, the Statue of Liberty, not really a building, it's a monument.
What's the most famous building?
It's the Empire State.
So it's the kind of heart of Empire.
And we must bring the kingdom to the Empire.
We mustn't get caught up in the attitudes and the feelings and the mindset of Empire.
And also, you know, I want to say a big thanks to everyone on Delta, particularly, and I think this is Coach Comfort.
Empire State Heart00:03:19
I've been very comfortable.
I could do a bit more coaching.
But some of the other passengers, I mean, look at this one.
And look at that one, and that lady there.
So a lot of very Troubling clientele.
Excuse me, I specifically asked not to be seated near a child.
Specifically asked.
Particularly ugly children.
Ugh, revolting.
They build an empire on the backs and bones of many.
But look at that seascape.
It's never not exciting to come into New York from The Guardian or JFK.
I went somewhere by helicopter once in New York.
I've told you before, Laura, it was a Sort of amazing.
And we flew to New Jersey.
Oh my god, we flew in a helicopter.
Thank you.
It's beautiful.
It's springtime in New York.
You can't go wrong, can you?
There's blossoms everywhere we look.
My children are making like small town comments the whole time.
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I went to the Essex Hotel.
Where I used to stay in the days of silly, silly fame.
It's one of those New York hotels where there's bars, and those of you that have lived in big cities will know what happens in bars, in hotels at night, and the desperate occupants that make pacts there in attempts to synthesize an intimacy that is only available elsewhere.
Storm Before Calm00:14:46
And today happens to be the 22nd of April.
And I was baptized on the 23rd of April, 2023, I think.
Oh, 2024, I get confused about the years actually, but it was like.
But on one side, when I was in that River Thames with the vicar standing on the bank in a frankly unnecessary wetsuit, because he actually wasn't even in the river, I was in the River Thames.
One side, my man Joe McCann, Catholic.
On the other side, Bear Grylls, the explorer, adventurer, and I would say sort of.
Christian leader and sort of leader in general.
I'm just now he and I talked about baptism because I'm in New York, as you surely by now know, to go on Piers Morgan and Meghan Kelly's shows.
But he just happened to be here.
He just happened to be here.
So in the night, he texted and went, I'm in New York.
I just ran into Piers Morgan.
You're in New York.
And he said, Come see me.
So I went to the Essex Hotel.
Last time I was there, I was.
Sloshing about, sloshing about like a sloppy steak in the silliness and sin, trying to baptize myself in all the wrong fluids.
And I had breakfast with him there and prayed with him.
And he said to me, Be calm and be vulnerable.
Be calm and be vulnerable.
He really spoke so clearly, Jake.
Like when you first got famous, it was like someone coming from your background looking like you look.
And I think he said, a scruffy drug addict.
He said it was like the brilliant people couldn't understand the brilliance.
They couldn't understand how you could talk like that.
But you're famous now.
And everyone knows you can talk like that.
And it's time to do a different thing.
So in a minute, we'll be at Megyn Kelly.
I think she does her show live on Sirius.
So, anything that happens will happen.
And I suppose my challenge is whether or not I can be there.
Can I be in an environment with stimulants and not give in to the stimulation?
The stimulations might include fear, they might include excitement.
They will include, there will be stimulants because we're not dead when we're in God, we're dead when we're in the world.
And I can see what that actually means, you know, dead in sin.
Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.
Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and what the show we have for you today.
Democracy, if it doesn't mean that we govern in accordance with the will of the people, means nothing.
What democracy means, I have been taught these days, is these institutions that we control constitute democracy.
We're going to put them all around the world and control them there.
But we could have democracy.
The technology exists.
I mean, look, we thought we were getting that when we elected Trump and we thought that.
Did you?
Yeah, I did.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm naive.
I'm old, but I'm naive.
I just thought that Trump really meant it when he promised to buck the system.
He promised he couldn't be bought.
He was bought.
I mean, like the Miriam Madison $250 million bought him on Iran and Israel.
And he's doing exactly what she wanted him to do.
He was manipulated by Netanyahu.
She's thrilled.
This is not what his base wanted.
And it's unfortunate.
I didn't think Trump could be bought.
I really believed that he couldn't.
It's hugely disappointing.
And I feel as many do, which is it's a betrayal.
A lot of my audience disagrees with me, and I understand their POV too, but that's how I feel on Trump.
What do you think they love about Trump still once the migration from America First politics becomes evident?
What is it?
The charisma, the figure?
Because what I like about him is his energy.
I was like, Trump was coming into a set.
When I was in 2015, I was like, this guy's crazy.
That's ridiculous.
It's not possible.
But the second time, but I liked it that the central powers didn't get what they wanted.
I liked that.
Same was with Brexit.
I don't care about Brexit, EU, not EU.
I don't care about admin.
But what I like is when you see the people not behave as they're supposed to.
I love that.
And what is it this time?
What's happened, Megan?
And people that still love him, what is it that they still love?
There's a lot.
I think his sense of humor is very endearing, it's very charming.
And, um, You know, he can actually be very self deprecating, which is charming too, especially given the amount of power that he has.
I think the amount of shit that's been thrown at him and his unwillingness to stay down, you know, he just gets back up no matter what people do to him.
No, I mean, try to put him in jail multiple times.
They tried to ruin his family.
They tried to kill him.
You know, I mean, so much has happened to him and he just keeps going.
Like you just cannot stand him down.
And that's very admirable.
For most of his time in the public eye, he has had all the right enemies.
You know, he stood up against.
The race dogma, the trans dogma, the xenophobe dogma about having a southern border in a way that was very admirable and we needed desperately because we were losing those wars.
You know, the woke thing was taking over in every department with our children, with our lives, and our employment.
And Trump was the bulwark against us, saying, hell no.
And he had this sheer strength and power to turn it all around.
He really did.
Like, you know, it was like the parting of the seas.
Like, I will just make this happen despite all odds with my immense power.
So, all of that has been, you know, just inspirational.
Inspirational.
I think many of us just like Trump.
You know, we like his personality.
But then the other truth of it is, there are aspects of his personality which are obviously not good and that we've mostly just chosen to overlook.
You know, he's not a moral man.
He's obviously not the greatest husband in the world.
And he's extremely petty and thin skinned, extremely petty and thin skinned.
And what we're seeing right now is he's turning on his most loyal supporters because they don't.
Support this war and getting in bed with people who fucking hate him and have hated him from the beginning and were the original never Trumpers, as though that's what MAGA is.
That's what his core support should look like.
Meanwhile, there are many who are over here who have loved Trump for many, many years.
We've had our skirmishes in the past.
Tucker's had skirmishes with him.
I have too, but who fought harder than a lot of others during the lawfare against him to make sure people knew that it was bullshit, stood up for him during the actual electoral contest to make sure people understood what was at stake and why he had to be the choice.
Who he just, you know, there's no loyalty in return ever from Trump, ever.
If you have a principled disagreement with something he does, you're otherwise, you're the enemy.
And at this particular moment, he's alienating so many of his core supporters, biggest believers and boosters, and running to people who have not been able to stand him for 10 years, like a Mark Levin or a Ben Shapiro who actively was against Trump.
He was a total DeSantis guy.
He only went on board with Trump when DeSantis was, of course, toast and he had no.
Choice, but to save his audience and get on board with the Republican nominee.
Whatever.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
But there's still, in my view, a lot to like about Trump.
It's just some of those darker demons are much more in the front view right now because he's like a cornered animal.
He's got no support in this Iran war.
He can't bring it to an end.
These are tough motherfuckers who are not doing what we want them to and coming to the negotiating table and giving us what we want so we can get out and just declare it a win.
He sees his poll numbers are now, his latest poll approval on Iran was 30.
At 30%.
I mean, his job approval in like the last five polls has been in the low thirties, low thirties.
So his legacy is on the line and you can tell he can tell.
So he's acting out in a very, very bad way.
And I, my prayer every night, every night, Russell, is that he will get back on track.
He will reconnect with what, you know, the agenda that we put him in office to enact.
He will extract himself from this very money driven agenda by the Miriam Adelsons of the world.
You know, she's purchasing what she wants and Trump's being manipulated into doing it, which is infuriating.
And that the country, or at least those of us who are on what I call Team Sanity, can come back together and work to defeat these crazy leftists like James Carville, who wants to pack the Supreme Court and add Puerto Rico and DC as states, right?
Like the Republicans will never win another national election if we do that.
Anyway, it's a very tumultuous time.
It sounded like you, at points, feel like personally betrayed as an advocate for Trump, and at other times ideologically betrayed.
And with this war, Some of the larger points I've seen sort of play out over a long time because I don't have anything like the granular detail or the journalistic excellence that you've just displayed in describing that.
But from my sort of more vague and hazy perspective, like what I've seen, I've just seen people saying, oh, well, Trump always had those views about Iran.
Trump always said that Iran was stupid.
That's what they say.
And that Iran, if they were ever to develop a nuclear capacity.
Now, for me, those arguments seem, in one case, irrelevant that he's always felt it.
And in the second instance, It, it, it, very similar to the weapons of mass destruction argument that was used.
That's it, exactly.
So I wonder then, what is this force, this power that is so sufficient that it would see, don't you sometimes think with great leaders and great people, all it is is just for a moment, they're the temporary conductor.
You know, Churchill, very fallible, broken, alcoholic, depressive, lunatic, who not necessarily lunatic, but for a moment was able to carry world opposition against as best we can understand this great force for evil.
So, with Trump, what do you suppose is happening?
Do you think bored in a sort of financial and economic way?
Do you think compromised in the post Epstein world?
We all have to assume that it seems that people largely are.
Or what is this power that is so large that it can wrangle this gargantuan male away from what seemed to be his evident trajectory to at least continue to consolidate a very large group of supporters?
I mean, I think on Israel.
In the Republican Party, there's never been any downside to being 100% pro Israel.
From the time I started at Fox News in 2004 until only very recently, in the Republican Party, there was no downside to saying you were 100% on Team Israel, to promote Israel, to go visit Israel, to take money from AIPAC.
That was no one in the Republican politics would ever second guess it or judge it.
It's only been more recent because, well, I mean, Gaza, I mean, that's really one of the main things.
It was happening on the left prior to Gaza, but the violence that Israel unleashed.
On civilians in Gaza just got past the point where you could overlook it as a friend who was like looking at your friend who got attacked viciously on 10 7 and trying to look the other way.
Like, some of these civilian casualties are going to happen.
It's war.
It happened when we did wars too.
But like, to the point where it's like, geez, like, this is out of control.
Like, it defended you a lot of times on the genocide claim, you know, tens of thousands more and more and more.
You're kind of undermining my ability to root for you, never mind defend you.
And I think Republicans started to feel it too, young Republicans first.
And they started to migrate away from Israel.
So the stakes changed.
Like this ardent support of Israel no longer became totally acceptable within Republican politics.
And the coalition that was totally pro Israel started to fracture.
The Democrats left, the independents left, the Republicans started to trickle away with the youth first going entirely, entirely.
And now the only people who really support Israel are senior citizen Republicans, people basically who are 65 or around there or older and Republican.
Those are the ones who are still pro Israel, which includes Trump.
And he didn't get it.
Like he did not have his finger on the pulse of where the party was on Israel and still, I think, thought.
He could do something that would be great for Israel, which is start a war with Iran, and it would go over well, that his core base would applaud him for it.
And I believe him that he never wanted Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
I think those statements were sincere.
But more than that, he promised no new wars and no wars in the Middle East, which last time I checked includes Iran.
And so, but if Trump had looked at us and said, and Tulsi Gabbard had looked at us, and Joe Kent had looked at us, and the IAEA had looked at us and said, Iran is within a month of getting a nuclear bomb.
The country would have stood behind Trump.
We would have believed them.
But that's not what happened.
The IAEA and Tulsi and Joe Kent, they all said no.
They're not.
They don't have the capacity to get a nuclear bomb.
They're nowhere close to getting a nuclear bomb.
And by the way, those strikes we did last June were very effective in dismantling whatever nuclear program they had, whether it was civilian or not, and they'd been enriching beyond civilian needs.
So it wasn't true that they were about to get it.
If it had been, the country would have gotten behind him, and we would have looked at that secret escape hatch from No New Wars.
Unless Iran's about to get a nuclear weapon.
It wasn't true.
He used that, that excuse that he had always said, uh, they can't have a nuclear bomb to do what Netanyahu wanted him to do and what Netanyahu convinced Trump to do, which was to start a war with them.
And he did that because he was razzle dazzled by Netanyahu into believing that the Ayatollah is going to be above ground.
So are his top emissaries.
We can take them out.
They tried to kill you.
Now you can get him before he gets you.
It'll be like Venezuela.
You'll get in, you'll get out.
You'll be a hero.
You'll change the whole world because a kinder, gentler Jeb Bartlett type is going to take over in Iran and be the new Ayatollah, the sweet, loving one who sends his cookies upon his ascension.
And, and Trump listened.
He, he, Netanyahu playing him like a fiddle.
He played to his hubris, which is exactly how you're supposed to manipulate Trump.
All these world leaders know it.
Look how they bend the knee at NATO now.
You know, it's ridiculous.
Oh, my daddy, our daddy.
It's like, oh my God.
That's what they do.
Look at the, look at the cabinet members at the cabinet meetings.
Thanks to you, Mr. President.
It's like they all have to kiss his ass before they give their updates because they're trying to manipulate him into keeping them in their roles and into liking them.
And that's all well and good.
Entrenched Political Interests00:15:57
It never really bothered me that much.
I don't love it, but it doesn't.
But when it's working to start wars, it's deeply problematic.
And it's how we got in this mess.
With people like, say, Thomas Massey, who would have long contested this would play out in this manner, or any average pick-a-mut random Democrat that would have said, if Well, don't you remember what they were saying is if you vote for Trump, it's going to bring about global annihilation and the world, all of the, you know, what they call Trump derangement syndrome.
Now, do you say that your adjustment is as a result of action and therefore legitimate?
And anyone, like whether it's you or Tucker or Candace or people whose opinions matter in this country, you have a responsibility to alter your perspective on the basis of new information and evidence.
Or do you, or is there a concession to be made to those people that prior to Trump?
0.20, however you say that thing, were saying, You can't have this guy in charge, he's an arsonist, you know, all of the stuff that they said.
Do you feel any of that?
Or is it like, because where I am, not that you've asked, but like, you know, just to add this, is that we all feel that politicians like Barack Obama, Netanyahu, Tony Blair, not we all, some people feel that those people are kind of, whether they're the sort of compromised political class that is epitomised by the Epstein stuff or not, there is some way that they are controlled.
That's what people feel.
They're controlled.
They're not really in charge.
There's a set of powers that are beyond and behind them, and maybe it's a cultist, maybe not.
Difficult to corroborate, who knows.
Where do you stand on that?
And do you not feel, what do you feel now?
Like, where do we go now?
Because you're not going to get another Trump.
You're not going to get another populist like that.
So, like, where do you put your political vigor and influence in light of all this?
Well, I certainly am not thinking, gee, we should have gone with Kamala at all.
I mean, because as upset as many of us are about this war, Trump closed the border, which saved Countless lives.
Trump did issue a bunch of executive orders on the trans issue, which saved a bunch of children's lives.
And Trump Kennedy, HHS, that's all good.
Huge.
I mean, we could do more.
I have to be honest.
Like, there's more that Kennedy could do.
So, we were talking about Trump when we last left off, which is that's all we've been talking about for 10 years.
Like, Trump dominates every thought and every conversation.
But what were you trying to ask me?
I wasn't trying to ask you anything.
I was successfully asking you.
Sorry, sorry.
Put your political enthusiasm if you've been disabused of the notion that any political leader, no matter how charismatic and demagogic, is going to achieve anything, ultimately, that they will ultimately be subsumed by some invisible interest that appears to steer world power.
What do you think?
Yeah, and you were saying, could it happen to like a Thomas Massey?
I actually don't think it could happen to a Thomas Massey.
I don't think it could happen to a Rand Paul.
No, I was using Thomas Massey as an example of someone that sort of trod the line.
Like that guy, he's no, this is my views, this is my views.
They're trying to buy me.
I'm not doing it.
Like someone that's sort of shown kind of an integrity.
And I mean integrity in the sense of he's remained sort of in alignment with.
And I think there was a red flag on Trump because what was he at heart?
A dealmaker.
Right.
He's been a dealmaker his whole life.
And that should have been maybe more of a red flag that he would say there's no core principles in there that are driving him on most issues.
Like there were a couple.
Like I do believe he's against illegal immigration.
I do believe he saw genuine concerns around the trade war and manufacturing and what China was doing.
I think that was sincere, and we've seen him try to do something about that.
He's got sincere beliefs about doing business with other nations and how we can make America richer.
And I think, like, all that glad Henning he did with his Saudi Arabia summit, where he's like, Yeah, you're going to invest in America.
Great.
We're all going to get rich.
We don't have to hate each other anymore.
I think that was sincere.
But that deal maker thing is probably what.
Got us into trouble on the Iran thing.
So I don't know.
I rarely put my faith in politicians.
I'm not sure I ever really totally put it in Trump.
I fell in love with Trump's professional promises to us.
Like, I really believed he would close the border, he would kick out the illegals, that he would stop the trans mania.
I believe that he would crack down on crime to the extent you can at the federal level.
And I have to say, he's lived up to those promises, except for the deportations.
He has closed the border.
He has done a lot on trans.
He has tried to do what Of President Ken on crime.
And I'm grateful for all those things.
But, you know, this other stuff Epstein, Iran, the economy have been pretty disastrous.
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Okay, so it's like you are quite objective.
And while I'm listening to you, I'm remembering that famous moment, I think, in the primaries where he said red eyes and red.
Blood coming out of my eyes and out of my wherever.
So it's kind of like that's kind of one of the most memorable and like, whoa, Trump kind of pop culture moments.
But now, from a.
It seems from a well versed, studied, and journalistic perspective, you're saying that Trump isn't fulfilling his pledge to his voter base.
And what I'm curious about is the problem we have, Megan, as content creators, is that we can just live in the mad vicissitudes of never ending conflicts and just sort of find a path through it.
Someone was telling me, oh, a lot of people think that Tucker has become more expressive or condemnatory of Trump, and in particular regarding foreign policy in Israel, obviously.
That there's a kind of a tactical move, there's a strategic move, there's a way of garnering audience.
And yeah, I really don't feel that either about Tucker at all or anyone actually, or people we're discussing.
But what I'm trying to ask, and I suppose now I am trying to ask, is where do you put your enthusiasm now?
Because 28, JD Vance, where do you go?
Okay, but this time, because me, I've reverted to where I was as a kid.
Kid and a smackhead, a drug addict, saying, You can't vote, trust any of them because there are systems that control them.
And it doesn't matter how, as long as these systems are fundamentally controlled by the same interests, whether they're global, bureaucratic, or deep state.
They call that being black pilled.
So, where do we, if we're black pilled then, and me as a follower of Jesus and you're Christian, hey?
Yeah.
Right.
So, where do we go?
Where do we go when it comes to advocacy?
What are you saying?
Well, the next step is relative evils.
Oh, great.
Well, I don't like that.
I know.
It's unfortunate, but that's the next logical step because.
It is a binary system.
One of them is going to ascend to power, and you have to choose the lesser of two evils.
That's really what it's always been about.
You know, I mean, even with Trump, you know, he asked me to come speak for him and go to that rally and sort of endorse him the night before the vote.
And I did wrestle with it, but something inside of me told me, you have to do it.
Because I knew, I knew we'd be in far worse shape if Kamala Harris won.
She could not win.
There was just absolutely no way we could allow that.
So it wasn't like I love and adore Trump.
You know, personally, he and I have always had a friction between us.
You know, it's been very complicated between us for many, many years.
Which is good.
I would take complicated.
I'm a journalist.
You know, I never wanted to be his bootlicker, and I never have been.
I never have been.
He and I have had ups and downs, and I've been critical at times and very, very promotional at other times.
But I knew that he was better than she was.
Yeah.
And I still feel like we'll have to make that choice next time around.
But look, I have voted in nine presidential elections five of them I voted Republican, and four of them I voted Democrat.
And they have, it wasn't all like, The four when I was super young.
You know, like I am a true independent.
I will make up my mind based on the person who gets the nomination and go from there.
And what does the country look like?
What are the issues that are really important right now?
But, Megan, from where we are now, what level of independence does that demonstrate really when surely what we have agreed on is that there is no meaningful transaction taking place in the tension of a bipartisan system?
Well, but take what I just said.
Like, what if your top issue is, and my two top issues were the border and the trans thing.
And Trump did a good job on those.
I'd like the deportations to happen, but like we've made so much progress on the trans thing.
We're not, we are still cutting off the penises of little boys, but not as often as we used to.
I did one this morning.
And the whole messaging around it has changed.
The Olympics changed.
This is all thanks to Trump.
All these hospitals are stopping the procedures.
That's thanks to Trump.
So we've gotten something.
But compared to potential Armageddon and yielding to perhaps the supreme forces that ultimately control the world, those are.
Empiric victories indeed.
And don't somebody had to ascend.
So, what are you going to do?
Like, completely withdraw from the process altogether, seed the arguments, let the Democrats make two new states so we'll never see a Republican in national power again?
Like, no, I have to fight those battles.
What if the can we not generate new battles by proposing radical systemic change and the radical decentralization of political power?
I'm asking you this.
We have to get rid of the two party system.
Yeah, the first thing you'd have to do is get rid of the two party primary system.
Cool, just do that.
I mean, you know, so like, you know, why are people not acknowledging that if the technology exists for all of us to carry digital ID, essentially 70% of the global population to get vaccinated overnight from either a made up or potentially not as threatening as it was presented disease, then why don't we collectively, particularly people that have extraordinary sway, and indeed if you are about to face extraordinary attacks, it's precisely as a result of the influence and impact you could have.
Why?
I'm curious, genuinely, it's a real question because I'm trying to understand it myself.
What if these voices in independent media became overtly and deliberately active in politics?
Doesn't that have the extraordinary salve of resolving these cultural issues instantly?
I.e., if there is a community that wants to be run in accordance with Sharia law within some state somewhere, then allow them to democratically do it.
If there is a community, That want to have a sort of a trans utopia, allow them to do it.
However, in these communities, we want to maximally run them in accordance with these principles.
In a sense, what is the point of nations of this size and scale?
Do you not consider that the rise of nationalism was itself a response to globalism and people beginning to sense that there was no national sovereignty in France or in Germany or in Sri Lanka or in the United States of America?
And if you look at trends like, for example, the rise of agricultural protests, it's an indication.
That through global bureaucratic edicts, they're trying to control food sourcing.
And indeed, then, if there is a global problem, perhaps because of the miracle of this new communication in which you are a leader, that we could be advocating not just for a different incumbent in a corrupt system, but a different system entirely.
And it's not that long ago, 250 years or wherever it was since the establishment of your great country, that even when the War of Independence was won against that other country, don't remember who lost it, but I'm sure they had some good points and a reasonable king.
Who was not syphilitic and mad?
Many, isn't it?
Patrick Henry said, We've got to go further.
Too much centralization.
Empower states, and then the states empower communities, and the communities empower the individual.
And you have to end the problem of donation, has to end.
Lobbying has to end.
Unless you make those kind of proposals, unless you make the position of leadership a position of service so that you don't even attract.
Or just smaller, or just smaller.
Whatever possible.
Yeah, much, much smaller.
De ideologize it.
Look, I love your optimism.
I guess I'm just a cynical mofo at heart, where I'm like, that's never going to happen.
The corporate money.
I'm a little cynical on this front.
I just feel like there's too much money.
There are too many entrenched interests that control all of this that I feel no cogs in the wheel are going to change it.
But maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I should be more optimistic.
No cogs in the wheel.
But I will say one thing to your point I think that this little ecosystem of independent voices is important.
People are getting killed for it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
People are getting shot dead in public because of the impact, it seems to me.
People are having their reputations tarnished, I think, precisely because of that.
So, what my interest is, is why are we pretending that we are at an advantage when you centralize power?
Of course, there are areas where central coordination is beneficial, but the principle ought to be decentralization and democracy.
These are not new ideas.
If the technology that existed today existed when this nation was founded, How much power would they have afforded at the local level?
They would have afforded more.
Yeah, a lot.
Now that technology does.
That, of course, was the original ideal anyway.
That was the whole goal of having these little states that were experimental and a very small national federal government that we'd all join and that would be sort of, we'd have some basic ideals that would be enforced at that level, but that each state could have its own personality and its own laws and its own culture.
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That was always the vision for America.
It's only.
As the country went on, that we got a more bloated and empowered federal government, that we then ceded a bunch of powers from the congressional branch, which is the people's representative, to the executive branch.
It's gotten bigger and bigger under Obama, under Biden, and now under Trump.
I'd love to get back to where we have a very, very, very tiny, disempowered executive who really can't do much.
That'd be great.
That would be much more consistent with the way the founders wanted the country to be run.
And now, with the technology that we have, that flow, that charge could.
Be reversed.
It's absolutely possible that people could participate in democracy.
When I've had to do it, like in 12 step groups that I'm a member of, they're democratic and it's slow and it's boring.
And it doesn't matter how well you think you talk or how charismatic you think you are, you only have one vote and you only have one voice.
And so, if they want a coffee machine, they'll get one.
If they don't want a coffee machine, they won't get one.
It's humbling and it's cohesive.
And He has no favorites, our Lord.
He sees us all.
You're all just my kids.
I love you all.
I made you perfect as an individual.
You're exactly as you're meant to be.
And then we won't dislocate into bizarre crazes like wokeism the important principle of kindness and compassion.
We know that our Lord, if He were here, Would love people that were confused and broken and concerned and trying to align their inner self with an outer world that they felt didn't understand them.
We know that the broken that were lost in the fentanyl crisis would find comfort in him.
I feel that he has to have the government resting on his shoulders.
We can't let human beings run society through rationalism with the idea that human authority and the human mind is the supreme system of judgment.
And I feel like.
I know what I'm asking actually because I don't know anything.
What the last few years has taught me is how little I know about anything.
But what I'm wondering, oh my god, same, why not have dissolve power wherever possible?
Wherever possible, allow people to run their own communities locally, grow food locally, do not put poisonous substances into food or water or the air, do not try to control nature, have independence when it comes to the manufacturing of your food and utilities, lose your obsession and fixation with gadgets and endless progress.
It's not going to answer the Problem.
Even the mad and giddy progress and ascent of the false gods of Neuralink et al. will come tumbling down eventually.
We are made to be custodians and stewards to the land, and we're here to love one another.
And these ideas are perfectly expressed.
And the miracle of my Christianity let me for one second talk about this book and not do my trial practice, which you have been very good at.
And thank you for being a compassionate and judicious interrogator when it's come to those complex matters.
But what I really want to say is that the reason I became Christian is because what I had learned as an addict in recovery.
That this world can never give you what you think it can give you, not through drugs, not through sex, not through fame, not through approval, applause, or anything.
Christ has it for you already and he's waiting to give it to you.
And I thought I was so smart.
I thought I was so smart.
I'm countercultural.
Before you were talking about red pills and blue pills, I'd already taken so many hallucinogens.
I'd seen through all of the veils and walls of your phony systems.
Then I read that book, the holy book.
I read the Bible.
And what does it say in there throughout the New Testament?
Be careful in this world.
The devil's in control.
It's fallen into the control of someone who's going to create systems that seem like God's kingdom, but they're actually false, completely false.
Don't trust any leaders.
They're all broken and fallen.
Even the wisest kings we've ever had may fall into corruption and concubines and idiocy because of hubris, because of vanity, vanity, all is vanity.
What do I learn in there?
That God loves us so much that not only does he create us to be in relationship with one another, that he is willing to absorb all of our sins and our brokenness and the worst things you could say about yourself and think about yourself.
He knows them all and he loves you anyway.
And it doesn't matter if you think you're born in the wrong body and it doesn't matter if you think you don't fit in with this tribe or that tribe or you don't fit in or you don't belong.
He loves you.
He made you to be as you are.
And we can't outsource power anymore to ideologues who don't understand the most basic principles of unison.
We are all his son.
He loves all of us.
He don't want us hating Muslims.
He don't want us hating gay people or trans people or people south of the border or north of the border.
He wants us to be one family and reason decoupled from the divine.
Leads to a kind of insanity.
But reason is a perfect and beautiful tool for organizing resources if we recognize our place as his children.
But when we start to clamber above him, which by the way was the floor of Satan, Satan's self, the fallen one who wants to run his own counterfeit kingdom, who thinks there is no God, who poses as a God, then we get into very, very deep trouble.
So I don't even really care if this book gets read or not read or creates one Christian or no Christians or many, many Christians.
All I'm really interested in is participating in something truthful and valuable.
Even when I come on your podcast, I don't want to sit here and try and persuade people that I am something that I'm not, although I wasn't something that other people say I am.
I'm going to die.
You're going to die.
We're all going to die.
That's the truth of our situation.
Now, while we're here, do you want to stay in some stupid, fetishized hatred or do you want to participate in the coming of his kingdom, which is what you are called to do?
And if ideas occur to you that might bring that about, don't be afraid to openly share them.
Don't be afraid to notice that the technology that you vote for pop idols or X Factors or some dumb thing for could be used to say, I don't want to have a war with Iran.
I don't want one.
I'm not sending you my taxes.
I'm not doing that anymore.
We're not being radical enough.
We're not being Christian enough.
We've forgotten who the God is that died for us.
You have to be bold and you have to be willing to die for it.
And given what you're saying on your show right now, it seems like you're willing to die for what you believe in.
So we'll die for something worth believing.
It's a risk we're all taking every day these days.
I mean, just being bold with our opinions and saying them unapologetically, given the environment we're in.
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See, I told you that I was going to be on Meghan Kelly.
Megan, it went quite well, I thought, did it?
I thought you were brilliant.
Thank you.
I could have done better.
No, you were excellent as well.
You really explained the dissent of Trump pretty beautifully.
I really understood it in a different way then.
Also, we had it was such good fun when you started to speculate on the jail time that I'll be doing.
That was a really nice, light hearted moment.
It was concerned.
I'm worried that the UK is crazy.
I just feel like we can't trust them and this probably isn't going to end well, and that scares me.
Buy the book while you can.
Just had an amazing conversation with Meghan Kelly.
It was confronting because Meghan Kelly has obviously a very different perspective on my.
Promiscuous sexual past, and I was really actually very grateful of the opportunity to talk to someone who sees that behavior as I do as exploitative.
And I think one of the, look, this is the macro actual challenge.
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When the state becomes the most powerful entity in the world, the empire state, let's call it, we're in New York after all, it is given the role of deciding right and wrong.
But God decides right and wrong.
Now, obviously, in any reality, whether I suppose you had God as its epicenter or some conglomeration of reason, which is what the atheist and secular perspective is, it's not God that makes things right or wrong.
That's their position, not mine.
Our collective reason makes things right or wrong, but you know, collective reason would probably help us arrive at murder being wrong and rape being wrong, and all those things would be regarded as wrong.
The challenge comes, I think, when the state is an instrument of and aligned with other sets of powers, and you retrospectively, and what I mean by retrospectively is 25 or 30 years or 15 years or 20 years later, look at a consensual act which was immoral and wrong because.
One person in this case, me, should have known better and should have done better and shouldn't have been going around sleeping with people just because I'm super famous, right?
I was super famous.
But if some time down the line, 20 years later, 15 years later, 30 years later, someone says, actually, in retrospect, after watching this documentary that's made by the subject's worst enemies that actually have a vested interest in destroying the reputation of anyone in the public eye that's an opponent of get this mainstream media, just even if you left it at that.
Let's continue their government, big pharma, etc.
They can't make an objective documentary.
Burger King can't make an objective documentary.
If your Burger King made a documentary called This Is Why I Hate Big Macs, they've got poo in them, like you'd go, Well, if that's true, I'm not going to eat McDonald's ever again.
And by the way, I've heard people say that there's a lot worse things in McDonald's.
Have you heard that, Jake?
There's terrible conspiracy theories out there, and I don't even want to repeat them because if they are true, it's too much.
But you'd want to check the source of the information.
You'd want to check the source of the information.
Anyway, why it's good with Megyn Kelly is even though she's sort of now a countercultural figure, i.e., she's not in the master culture, the dominator empire culture, she's an on, you might call her a, I don't know, what they call it, alternative media, but now alternative media is not alternative enough for some.
Some people say that areas of it have been captured and are controlled and all of that.
She's still a person that's, I would say, she interrogated me.
She interrogated me.
And like it, Sort of made me confront a reality that I don't like confronting.
I feel very sad about all of this stuff because, you know, my enemy is not like a bit like I wish I could be in a position of neutrality and therefore benevolence when it comes to vulnerable women being exploited.
But as the person that exploited those vulnerable women, I'm at something of a disadvantage, particularly when there are claims that not only did you exploit them by sleeping with people who sleep with famous people after only knowing them for 25 seconds, say, right, that's an exploitation on my part.
No, we want to upgrade that.
We're just going to click the dial on from exploitation into coercion.
Coercion is different.
Coercion, that's a real crime.
That's violence.
That's a violation.
We all know what that looks like.
We all know what it feels like.
We all know what that is.
We know what the word for it is.
It's rape.
And that is, I say, a cataclysmic, catastrophic, terrible, terrible thing to do.
So it was kind of good to Thugman and Kelly because she weren't afraid to get into it, you know?
She wasn't afraid to get into it.
Also, in the conversation, she asked me about Katy Perry, and it was pretty funny.
I hope I was respectful to Katy Perry because why not be respectful and loving to, especially to someone that you've really loved before?
So have a look at that.
And speaking of Katy Perry, hold on.
That was pretty skillful.
Come on, Ann.
Go on.
Well, I wonder.
Because I've met Doug now and I like him.
Yeah.
I'm going to read them books of Doug.
I think you'll really enjoy them.
Historical novelist.
Plus, he's double handsome.
Yeah, right?
Double Dutch handsome, you said.
He looks like a Dutch.
He looks like a Dutch.
He is Dutch and he looks Dutch.
He's tall.
He's got the wide set eyes.
He's got the angular face.
Touch that Dutch.
Now, check first.
Don't put them clogs on without asking.
Don't you put that finger in that dike without asking.
Don't you spin them windmills without.
Don't you go to that Anne Frank Museum?
Who talked about a finger in a dike?
That's a that story.
I'm just kidding.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Gotta be careful these days.
I went with it.
Although, look about where you're going to go and you'll see a double joke.
Because you're going to go back to your subject.
Yes.
Right.
And the last thing I said was finger in a dike.
Oh, that's true.
You're not going to say.
Okay.
So, well, what is it like to have your ex wife dating Dyke Justin Trudeau?
I've put up with a lot with that ex wife of mine, but you took it too far, KP, with Trudeau.
Orlando Bloom.
Yeah, respectable.
Legolas.
I love that guy.
Yeah.
Brilliant.
Good for him.
Trudeau, though.
Potentially Fidel Castro's spawn.
No.
There we draw the line.
It's horrible.
Trudeau.
I did not like that Trudeau because, no, he's a son of God and he's beloved.
But what I will say is I didn't like it when he was having a go at them truckers.
I didn't like they kept blacking up inexplicably and then sort of pretending to be ultra woke.
Does have fantastic hair.
I didn't like it when they invited an actual Nazi into the Canadian parliament.
Yes, they did.
I specifically don't like what is typified by those good looking politicians Obama, Macron, Blair.
They're sort of good looking and they're charming.
But you think, who do you work for really?
Who's running this?
Because it can't be you.
And I don't like that sort of pose of compassion that's absolutely undergirded by selfishness, probably because I recognise it myself.
I'm so selfish sometimes.
But I don't like that.
The trucker bit's what got me.
They called them Nazis.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
They were just being sort of.
Bold and brave and stuff.
So, yes, is she still going out with him?
Yeah.
We checked this morning and it appears that they are still together.
Keep checking.
She could come to her senses any minute.
It is disappointing, isn't it, when your ex gets together with somebody who doesn't make you look good at all, doesn't increase the average at all.
Look at the category I'm in now.
I'm in with Trudeau.
It'll be a relief to be in a rape trial.
See?
Phew.
Never lose your sense of humor.
Not even about the darkest things.
Don't take that away from your baby.
Do you guys keep in touch?
She said you never contacted her again after you sent her a note saying you wanted a divorce.
Look, that is true.
Wow.
Never anything, not a text?
I stay in touch with her father, Keith, and her mother, Mary, because they're good Christian folks.
And I must say, I feel a good deal of sympathy with the recent allegations around Katie.
She's been accused of sexually assaulting Ruby Rose by allegedly exposing her vag to this gal's face.
Uh, she's denied, but there's a criminal inquiry underway in Australia as a result of these allegations.
To me, that doesn't mean this is probably the old school man in me.
I don't, I don't even hear the crime there.
What happened?
I don't even, I can't even hear where it is.
Like someone would have to poke me with a stick.
There, that's the bit.
There's a crime.
Ah, no, no 20 year old girl wants another woman rubbing her badge on her face uninvited.
That's the crime.
There it is, Russell.
I got it.
I got you.
I got you.
Okay, you available for the trial?
The Tucker's coming.
Yes, I will come.
Thank you.
Is she, um, She denies, again, Katie Fury denies.
I didn't handle that marriage very well.
I can see in retrospect absolutely what the problem was.
In fact, I explained that in the book.
What it was was.
Well, you said you were married to a celebrity itself.
I worked it out.
So, how so?
Well, because I, you know, look, when you fall in love with someone, like, isn't it amazing to be in love?
Isn't it so amazing?
Well, imagine that sort of compounded with everyone else acting like it's important.
It's like, oh my God, this is a woman.
Plus, she's a really lovely, you know what there is about her?
She has an innocence.
She's a very beautiful person.
She's also incredibly driven and worked really, really hard.
I saw her working really, really hard.
Here's me taking total responsibility for all the mistakes I made in that marriage.
I like wanted to grab her, like, a kind of, there.
Got it.
You know, like I wanted, I felt like I was inadequate and not enough on my own.
So I saw this big, glorious thing.
And even though I knew her as a person as well, and supposedly she was a normal person, like everyone's a normal person.
You've been around famous people, you know, who's famous when it comes to shower time, picking your nose, scratching your ass?
Like everyone just breaks down into mundanity and flesh and fallenness in the end.
But she was really, really, really, really lovely.
But it was my fault because I pushed to get married early because I felt inadequate and insecure and like I wasn't enough.
And if I was married to her, That I would somehow be a better person and more important.
And that put her under an unnecessary amount of pressure and strain.
And then, when she was unable, as a very young woman, like she was 25 or 26, she was young herself there, she couldn't fulfill those obligations because she was quite rightly, one might argue, certainly from a materialist and humanistic and celebrity oriented perspective, pursuing her dream, which she successfully did, of becoming the world's most famous pop star.
And when she was doing that, I was in sort of a crisis of like, hold on a minute, I'm lonely and this isn't working.
This isn't working.
Why do I not feel we've married a pop star?
I did it.
Come on.
Why is this not working?
So, do you feel like if she weren't a celebrity, it could have worked?
Probably not, because I was fated to marry my incredible wife, Laura Brand, who is sort of who I already knew and had already married.
But I didn't learn the lesson then.
I went on to go with Jemima Khan, who was married to the now jailed former leader of Pakistan, who went out to grant a bunch.
She's like a billionaire and glorious.
Amazing hair and a 300 acre estate and riches.
And I thought, yes, yes, this.
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Then I will be okay.
Yes, that's it.
I got some of the details wrong.
It wasn't American pop star, it was British aristocrat.
And then, of course, once again, she's a human being and I'd, in my own foolish way, objectified her.
So I had to learn that lesson.
Finally, I think now I have learned don't try to take things from people, just leave people alone, be happy in your marriage and serve God.
As best you can, and remember you're going to forget that all the time like an idiot and go back to thinking life's about you.
But then you're now hopefully a part of a community.
See Jake there who's with me.
I have people around me now who are following God in their own broken way, and I just can look at them how they're doing it, you know.
It's good to Piers Morgan right now, but the revolving door is too good a metaphor to pass up.
Hi, Piers.
It's Jake.
It's Jake, yes, sir.
You're live today?
I'm not late, am I?
Don't you find me?
Sometimes I can't tell.
Yeah.
I'm freed off other people's faces.
There's no problem.
It's the first time we've used this studio.
It's the AP studio here.
It's quite a nice setup, isn't it?
I would like to talk about what you want to talk about in advance if you're open to.
Sure, but I'd rather not do it.
Well, I hope you've enjoyed my trip to New York as much as I have, which has been a bit.
I've enjoyed it a bit.
Like, once I.
That guy from Flight of the Concourse, you remember them?
He's called Jermaine Clement, right?
I met him one time and I go, Do you want to come on my radio show?
I had a radio show then, it's when I was in the mainstream.
He went, Yeah, yeah.
And I saw him a couple of weeks later and he'd not text me back or anything.
I was like, Hey, do you want to come on a radio show?
He went, Yeah, yes, yes, I do.
And he still didn't come on.
I saw about a week later.
I go, Do you want to come on my radio show?
He went, Yes.
I go, What?
But just not that much?
He went, Yes, yes, just not that much.
Hope you've enjoyed this extraordinary show.
Potentially you saw a conversation with Piers Morgan, a conversation with Megyn Kelly, us loose in the streets of New York City.
Prayer, meditation, literature, philosophy, theology, all of theologies.
Join us on Wednesday, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.