Stay Free - Russel Brand - A Conversation With Tommy Robinson — SF689
Aired: 2026-03-09
Duration: 59:58


=== Tommy Robinson and Dagenham (07:06) ===

[00:00:07]  Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
[00:00:16]  Hello there, you awakening wonders.
[00:00:18]  Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
[00:00:20]  Tommy Robinson remains one of the most controversial figures in British political life.
[00:00:24]  But as the world continues to change, as the subject of migration gets more traction, as the new political party, Restore UK, led by Rupert Lowe, comes to the forefront.
[00:00:33]  As we all sit around in peculiar bafflement at end us Middle Eastern wars and the revelations of the Epstein Files, surely now is a more important time than ever before to seek out new alliances, to recognize that politics has got to change, power's got to change, that we need direct participatory democracy.
[00:00:51]  That's one of the subjects I talked about, Tommy Robinson.
[00:00:54]  But see if you can spot the thing he was most interested in.
[00:00:56]  If you're a follower of our content, you'll have seen that it was a reference to my past.
[00:01:01]  Indeed, we're doing a watch-along of that very particular episode, Wanky Wanky, coming soon.
[00:01:08]  But for now, though, please enjoy this brilliant conversation with Tommy Robinson.
[00:01:16]  Be with us, Lord.
[00:01:17]  Be with us so that we don't fall into selfishness or manipulation or anything.
[00:01:21]  Just help me to listen, help me to put aside everything that I think I know or understand so that I can be present with you.
[00:01:26]  I know that there's a way that the world can improve.
[00:01:29]  I know you have a plan and a vision for us.
[00:01:31]  I know that you're real Jesus Christ and that you are within us and that you are guiding us and that you died for us and you rose again for us.
[00:01:37]  And there's something, Lord, that you're coming back.
[00:01:39]  You're doing something through all these things that are happening at the moment, whether it's disruption or strife across the world through the agriculture and these movements around migration.
[00:01:46]  Lord, show us how to keep your values of love and kindness in this conversation and in this fight, this spiritual war that I think we're all in.
[00:01:53]  In your name we pray.
[00:01:53]  Amen.
[00:01:54]  Amen.
[00:01:56]  Russell Brandt.
[00:01:58]  All right, mate.
[00:01:59]  I've got a million questions.
[00:02:00]  Go on.
[00:02:01]  A million questions.
[00:02:03]  Good to be here.
[00:02:03]  God bless you.
[00:02:04]  Yes, good to meet you in all.
[00:02:05]  I've watched your journey.
[00:02:06]  Ups, downs, highs, lows.
[00:02:08]  Obviously, now brought you to you're a devout Christian now.
[00:02:12]  So I want to get onto all of these things.
[00:02:14]  Obviously, AA as well.
[00:02:15]  I want to hear about all of this because I was a bit of an arsehole years ago when you were doing your, I used to mock you.
[00:02:20]  Did you?
[00:02:20]  Yeah.
[00:02:20]  Not mock you for I used to say I used to wear him make comments about crackhead but I didn't know about I didn't know about rehabilitation, I didn't know about addiction.
[00:02:27]  Yeah.
[00:02:28]  And then years on, I'm sitting thinking he's come through addiction, goes to meetings, great example to set to people.
[00:02:34]  But not back then.
[00:02:35]  So let's start at the beginning, Russell.
[00:02:36]  I just want to ask you lots of questions about who is Russell Brand?
[00:02:40]  Where does it start?
[00:02:41]  Where was you born?
[00:02:42]  I'm from Grays in Essex.
[00:02:44]  Gray's Kent.
[00:02:45]  Essex.
[00:02:46]  Grays is near like Basildon, Romford, all them.
[00:02:48]  Tilbury.
[00:02:48]  Las Vegas most near.
[00:02:49]  Yeah, Bas Vegas, all of that.
[00:02:51]  So that's where I'm from.
[00:02:52]  My family are a generation back, Ilford and Dagenham.
[00:02:56]  Before that, it's East London, all your steppanes in Bethnell Greens.
[00:02:59]  Before that, a little bit of Ireland and some other things.
[00:03:01]  So I'm like a typical Essex boy, really.
[00:03:05]  Me, when I was a little kid, I'm an only child of a single mum, grew up just with her.
[00:03:10]  Didn't really get on very well at school.
[00:03:12]  Was a kind of unusual little kid.
[00:03:16]  Was you a chubby kid?
[00:03:16]  Yeah.
[00:03:17]  I've heard you say that, yeah.
[00:03:18]  I was a chubby little boy, weren't good at sport.
[00:03:20]  You were a little fat.
[00:03:21]  Huh?
[00:03:22]  I'm trying to envisage you as a fact.
[00:03:24]  I was a tubby little kid.
[00:03:25]  Well, if you think about like, this will help you.
[00:03:27]  I did Bugsy Malone when I was a kid, like the school play at Gray's School where I went.
[00:03:32]  And Bugsy Malone has a character called Fat Sam in it.
[00:03:36]  And that's the character that I played.
[00:03:37]  That was the first bit of acting I ever done.
[00:03:39]  And that was the first time I thought there's something I'm good at.
[00:03:43]  There's something I'm good at.
[00:03:44]  How old were you?
[00:03:45]  15.
[00:03:46]  You didn't start okay, so you started acting at 15.
[00:03:48]  Yeah.
[00:03:49]  And then you found you enjoyed it.
[00:03:51]  Before that, the only thing I thought I would have been good at, I don't know, man.
[00:03:55]  I was a lost little boy.
[00:03:56]  I was a lost little boy.
[00:03:57]  Popular.
[00:03:58]  Did you get bullied?
[00:03:59]  A little bit, a little bit, but I was mouthy.
[00:04:01]  I had a lot of chat, a lot of lip.
[00:04:03]  But like, as I say, I'm not good at football.
[00:04:05]  I wasn't good at football as a little boy, and I wasn't good at fighting.
[00:04:09]  I was a bit like lost in the world, Tommy, tell you the truth.
[00:04:12]  I didn't feel like I fitted in.
[00:04:14]  And one of the things that's been very interesting, I suppose, is re-embracing who I am and where I'm from.
[00:04:19]  When I was from there, and when I was actually there, you know, like my stepdad works at Celcon, like a brick factory, doing nights in there.
[00:04:28]  My mum's like a secretary.
[00:04:29]  My dad, who like I didn't grow up with, but he's a like a self-made man from Dagenham.
[00:04:34]  Sometimes would be flush, sometimes would be broke.
[00:04:37]  I was part of, I'm from a similar world to you.
[00:04:40]  Grays, Luton, these places, these towns of the south, your Reddings, your Iwickams, your Sloughs, these nowhere places, you know?
[00:04:49]  They're not Manchester, they're not Newcastle, they're not London, they're not Glasgow, they're not Dublin, Belfast, all the cities of our islands have strong identities.
[00:04:58]  All them little suburban places, it can be a bit lost, a little bit broken.
[00:05:03]  Now, I think there's something very particular about Bedfordshire and Luton.
[00:05:05]  I think there is, Luton's got a strong identity.
[00:05:07]  Right, from the football and then from the clash.
[00:05:10]  I used to think, yeah, I used to look and think Luton's different to everywhere.
[00:05:13]  Yeah, I gather that because there's a few people.
[00:05:15]  I know some people that are from there and they're all pretty interesting people that seem to be carrying some conflict or whatever.
[00:05:22]  But what I was saying about these places, like Essex kind of came alive if you think about it, around the time I started getting famous, it weren't long after that that there were shows like The Only Way is Essex and like the idea of like birds and the Essex girl and Essex boy and there was a bit of an identity about it, you know, like a bit of sort of glamour and flashness.
[00:05:39]  But it's all really what was once called the white flight out of East London.
[00:05:43]  That's what them people are, the people that work at Ford's in Dagenham, the people that work in the docks around Tilbury, all the people that are like as urbanisation increases and as populations change, the tendency, ain't it, generally speaking, is for the white working class to sort of move outward.
[00:05:59]  And I'm the product of that time and of that movement.
[00:06:02]  Like, just to give you sort of like, you know, you've already said, you've already said in your intro what you thought about me, and I can understand it, because why wouldn't me and you see ourselves on different sides of the same coin, even though we're from places so similar, with concerns so aligned?
[00:06:15]  The differences are arbitrary.
[00:06:17]  I've probably got bigger arguments with my wife than I would have about you with certain political issues.
[00:06:22]  What I always thought was, this is interesting.
[00:06:25]  This person is garnering a lot of attention.
[00:06:27]  I also reckoned right early on that there was something very interesting about football culture around the time that football culture started getting a lot annihilated and dismantled around, like the introduction of sky raising of ticket prices, getting rid of standing seats after Hillsborough, and they got rid of football fans.
[00:06:46]  Well, they're sort of like they've took it away from football fans.
[00:06:48]  It's now all corporate.
[00:06:49]  Yeah, lots of people.
[00:06:49]  Well, not the lower leagues.
[00:06:50]  See, I love the lower leagues.
[00:06:51]  I've got up in some Premier League games and I sit and think I don't know if anyone actually here supports this team.
[00:06:56]  Yeah, most of them.
[00:06:57]  They're on business days out or corporate days out.
[00:06:59]  Where's the average fan?
[00:06:59]  Well, the average fan can't afford to go in Premier League, whereas you go to Luton, everyone's here for Luton, everyone's looting mad.
[00:07:04]  We go to lower league clubs, everyone's mad for their identity, that club, but not in the Premier League.
[00:07:09]  But okay, so you left you.
[00:07:10]  What did you when you left school at 15?
[00:07:12]  Did you get good grades?

=== Alcohol Addiction and Recovery (08:33) ===

[00:07:13]  No, none no.
[00:07:15]  What did you do at 15 16, when you left 15 16?
[00:07:18]  I went to a stage school for a year Italia, Conte.
[00:07:21]  I started doing, I started doing extra work on like things that you might have heard of, like the bill or whatever, and then, but I was starting to get addicted to drugs around that time 16 yeah, a little bit, just at first, just like weed and like recreational drugs that probably most people my age, where I'm from, would be taking.
[00:07:39]  But the thing is, if you're an addict, the way that you're using them is different.
[00:07:42]  In fact, I strongly believe now Tommy, that it's a.
[00:07:45]  In fact, I know that it's a spiritual condition, people to get addicted to drugs.
[00:07:48]  They're trying to solve something, they're trying to heal something inside themselves.
[00:07:52]  At the same time, on one hand, I was desperately trying to become like somebody, have an identity, be famous, mean something, and on the other hand, I had this calling this deep calling, like there's something beyond all this.
[00:08:03]  There's something more meaningful than this.
[00:08:05]  Once I got, it was years later that I got off drugs, years and years and years later, and by that I was 27.
[00:08:12]  So from 16, okay.
[00:08:13]  Yeah.
[00:08:14]  When you started using drugs, how bad was it?
[00:08:16]  Not that bad at first, but even though it was...
[00:08:19]  Did it start off...
[00:08:20]  Because most people start off and it's alright.
[00:08:23]  And at some point it becomes unsociable.
[00:08:25]  At some point it becomes the big addiction.
[00:08:27]  At some point it starts causing problems in the life.
[00:08:29]  How many years was it normal for like recreational drugs and then when did it become problematic?
[00:08:34]  The thing was is even when it was recreational drugs it was being done in a way that was unhealthy.
[00:08:39]  Like I liked to be on my own smoking weed or on my own drinking or I would drink before I spoke to anybody.
[00:08:44]  It was never like a laugh.
[00:08:46]  My mates were like sociable and party folk but for me it was always this is I'm doing something to remedy some loss, some emptiness, some sadness.
[00:08:57]  But the thing is is you can get away with it a bit with weed and booze so they can get into a lot of trouble with alcohol.
[00:09:02]  It's a nasty, nasty drug I think alcohol.
[00:09:05]  But by the time I was like started with brown and white with the crack and the smack with the heroin and the crack, by the time that that was what I was doing, the wheels come off fast.
[00:09:15]  In a way it's a blessing because you won't be able to do that for very long.
[00:09:18]  It tears you apart very, very quickly.
[00:09:20]  And once I did that, enough people knew that I was good at the performing, the stand-up comedy and all of that.
[00:09:26]  So by that time I had some support and those people I have to acknowledge really helped me.
[00:09:31]  Like John Noel was like a normal bloke from Manchester who managed me at that time.
[00:09:35]  He was the first person that put me like an only person that's had to put me into a treatment center for drugs and alcohol.
[00:09:41]  I got clean then and I've not drunk or used since then.
[00:09:43]  What from one treatment center?
[00:09:44]  So you went for the first time you went to a treatment center you got clean?
[00:09:47]  That's right.
[00:09:48]  28 days?
[00:09:50]  90 odd.
[00:09:50]  90 odd.
[00:09:51]  You've done 90 days in a treatment center.
[00:09:52]  I've done 90 odd in there and it was a place called Focus 12 up in Bury St Edmunds up in Suffolk.
[00:09:58]  But the thing they teach you is you've got to be in the 12 steps for the rest of your life.
[00:10:02]  Even though this is just a three month period, you now can never drink again or take drugs one day at a time for the rest of your life.
[00:10:09]  And in order to do that, you will need to regularly attend 12-step support groups and you will have to investigate what's caused you to be like this in the first place.
[00:10:17]  What is this brokenness in you?
[00:10:18]  What are you looking for?
[00:10:20]  They give you that kit.
[00:10:21]  For people who don't understand the 12 steps, you go to a treatment centre, you write out all your resentments, everything that's upset you, basically you're trying to break you down to get to the bottom of the root cause of why you're, would you call it self-harm?
[00:10:35]  When you were taking drugs, would you call it a form of self-harm?
[00:10:37]  I would.
[00:10:37]  I'd call it more than that, almost an incremental suicide, like suicide by installments.
[00:10:42]  It's like you would kill yourself.
[00:10:43]  You've had enough.
[00:10:45]  It's like you've had enough.
[00:10:46]  Kind of, mate, yeah.
[00:10:47]  But you don't do the inventory when you're in a treatment centre.
[00:10:49]  The 12 steps, the first step is admit you've got a problem.
[00:10:52]  Like if you've got a problem with alcohol, i.e. it's causing you legal, medical or relationship problems or it's preventing you working, that's a problem.
[00:11:00]  A lot of people won't admit it though.
[00:11:02]  They'll lie about it.
[00:11:02]  I'm okay.
[00:11:03]  I can handle it.
[00:11:03]  The second step, if you're willing to admit, yeah, this is a problem.
[00:11:06]  I'm out of control of this and it is causing problems in my relationships in my life.
[00:11:09]  That's step one.
[00:11:10]  you're willing to admit that.
[00:11:11]  Normally the way we get people to do that is go give us examples of dangerous situations you've put yourself in as a result of alcohol.
[00:11:18]  Give us five examples and five examples where you've been in chaotic situations.
[00:11:22]  Once someone will tell you that they've anchored their alcohol and drug use in serious situations like I got arrested and that never would have happened if I'd not been drinking.
[00:11:30]  I had this row with my missus.
[00:11:31]  I lost this job.
[00:11:32]  Those kind of examples.
[00:11:33]  It might not even be as serious as those things, but you know, those kind of examples really help.
[00:11:37]  Step two is came to believe that a power greater than yourself could restore your sanity.
[00:11:42]  That amounts to hope.
[00:11:43]  That's the first time you meet people that have got worse drug problems and worse alcohol problems than you, but they're clean now and they don't drink no more.
[00:11:51]  And like one of the first people I met, he like in this situation, he'd been in jail for armed robbery.
[00:11:55]  He was a much worse drug addict than me.
[00:11:57]  He'd had much worse consequences than me and he didn't use no more.
[00:12:00]  And that's when I thought, oh, it's possible to change.
[00:12:02]  And then the third step is you have to hand your life over.
[00:12:05]  You make a decision to turn your will and your life over to the care of God as you understand God.
[00:12:08]  Sounds pretty religious, that, don't it?
[00:12:10]  They take the word God out of it, though.
[00:12:11]  Sometimes they do.
[00:12:12]  They say higher power and they say a God of your understanding.
[00:12:16]  Whoever you choose to believe.
[00:12:17]  That's what I went.
[00:12:18]  I went to a 28-day rehab.
[00:12:20]  But when I went to a break.
[00:12:22]  I'll be honest, when I went for a break, I just lost my court case where they bankrupted me, which was the film I made, Silence.
[00:12:28]  My divorce had gone through, start of COVID.
[00:12:30]  I'd come out.
[00:12:31]  I was in a terrible place.
[00:12:32]  I was nosediving.
[00:12:34]  I felt broken.
[00:12:35]  Was you drinking a lot, though?
[00:12:36]  Yeah, I was drinking a lot.
[00:12:37]  I was drinking a lot, but I wasn't drinking every day.
[00:12:39]  But I'd go a week without drink, two weeks without drink, and then I'd go bang.
[00:12:42]  And then I'd be drinking for a couple of days.
[00:12:44]  So I was trying to, I was in a bad place, but I'd never spoke about any of the problems or fears I had.
[00:12:49]  I'd come out of solitary confinement, I was diagnosed with PTSD, I had all these things going on.
[00:12:54]  And when I went to a rehab, I went, my family said, look, you just need to, you need to get your head straight.
[00:12:58]  So I thought, I need a break.
[00:13:00]  So I went there for a break, and then I sat around a room with 30 people, 20 people, however many it was.
[00:13:05]  And I'm listening to them all talk.
[00:13:07]  And when they said, why are you there?
[00:13:08]  I said, I'm just here for a break, man.
[00:13:09]  Because they take your phone.
[00:13:11]  I said, I need to sort my head out.
[00:13:12]  But I didn't think I was an addict.
[00:13:15]  I hadn't admitted I was an addict.
[00:13:16]  And as I'm sitting listening to what people were saying, I'm thinking, fuck, I do.
[00:13:20]  I do that.
[00:13:21]  She says, yeah, I've done that.
[00:13:22]  Yeah, my mum said that.
[00:13:23]  Yeah, I've affected my family like that.
[00:13:25]  And as I'm looking, and they say, look for things, because I would always look down my nose upon crackheads, junkies, heroin addicts.
[00:13:32]  I used to think they're scum.
[00:13:34]  And then they say, look for things you have in common, not things you have different.
[00:13:37]  And as I'm sitting there, and then I think I found out more about myself in that 28 days.
[00:13:42]  Because you have to, they break.
[00:13:43]  And do you know what they said?
[00:13:44]  What was fascinating for me?
[00:13:45]  I found it amazing experience in the sense that you have to go there and they ask you what your problems are and how much do you drink and what do you do.
[00:13:54]  And then I used to watch them and I thought the psychiatrist, whatever I want to call him, the counsellor, I thought he was an arsehole.
[00:14:01]  Scottish fella.
[00:14:02]  Really strong, but you could relate with him, tough man.
[00:14:05]  And then as I listened to him, they'd bring this out and then you'd sit there and you'd say, yeah, this is what I do and this is the problems I've caused.
[00:14:12]  And then he'd say, no, it's fucking not.
[00:14:14]  And they'd say, wait there.
[00:14:15]  And they'd come in with a letter from the wife.
[00:14:17]  Yeah.
[00:14:18]  And they'd say, you beat your missus up.
[00:14:20]  You do this.
[00:14:21]  And you're sitting there, 20 people.
[00:14:22]  I'm like, oh, fuck.
[00:14:23]  Oh, fuck.
[00:14:24]  So if you lied, they had letters from all of your family that would tell the truth about the effect of what your addiction is doing.
[00:14:32]  And I sat and thought when he's doing that, I thought, oh, you're an arsehole, man.
[00:14:35]  And people, the men are crying and the man stormed off.
[00:14:38]  Some people didn't take it.
[00:14:38]  And as they're walking off, he'd say, you're going, fuck off.
[00:14:40]  Because it's not, we don't, it's not me that needs help.
[00:14:43]  You need to sort your shit out.
[00:14:44]  It's you that needs to break.
[00:14:45]  So I watched as they broke people.
[00:14:47]  And in this period, I found it fascinating seeing the whole thing.
[00:14:50]  And people who you'd see on the fur and realizing that some of these people, top business people, top jobs, successful, but behind closed doors when you hear what they're doing, you realise that, fuck, I'm a bit mental, but everyone's mental.
[00:15:03]  And everyone's got these problems.
[00:15:04]  So I watched all of that.
[00:15:05]  And that's why I think in Addiction Later, I think I said some really unsavory things about you when you were clean.
[00:15:11]  And when you were in the 12 steps, I used to always refer to you as a crackhead.
[00:15:15]  Or that's why I used to just, when I was trying to belittle you, because I think you was on the other side of politics at the time when we were demonstrating.
[00:15:20]  So I'd always make comments.
[00:15:22]  But yeah, I found the 12 steps that you're right.
[00:15:25]  You have to go for the rest of your life because that's why at times you nosedive anyone who, anyone who falls off the wagon is because they're not following the 12 steps.
[00:15:32]  I always respected you.
[00:15:33]  I respect anyone that's willing to go to jail for what they believe in and to die for what they believe in.
[00:15:40]  And I know that you would and you know that you might die for what you believe in.
[00:15:44]  That's the most important thing a man can do.

=== Love, Anger, and Recovery (15:20) ===

[00:15:47]  What I've always thought, Tommy, is that because of, in matter of fact, now we're talking about recovery, because I think you've probably taken a lot of injuries in your life as a young man that I would put down to not receiving the love that you deserved as a child of God, that that anger and hate finds its way into your political perspective.
[00:16:09]  I think you're right about a lot of things.
[00:16:11]  And I think the world of British politics in particular needs you.
[00:16:15]  But I think my prayer is that we find the version of you that has the compassion that's required of the type of leadership that you might be gifted with.
[00:16:26]  We can't make this content without the support of our partners.
[00:16:28]  Here's a message from one now.
[00:16:29]  We're going to briefly suspend this interview with Tommy Robinson to give you this important message.
[00:16:35]  Censorship is back and it's happening everywhere.
[00:16:37]  Platforms are controlling the narratives and pushing the stuff they want us to see.
[00:16:40]  We've got to fight back.
[00:16:40]  Rumble is the only company that stood the test of time and they deserve our support.
[00:16:45]  On one side, Rumble is challenging big tech censorship.
[00:16:48]  And now on the other side, they've introduced something that will give us protection from big banks shutting us off.
[00:16:53]  Banks can cancel our accounts, freeze our cards.
[00:16:56]  So that's why we've launched Rumble Wallet.
[00:17:00]  A wallet no one can cancel and a wallet that supporters can use to instantly tip creators like old Russ without any middlemen taking cuts.
[00:17:07]  I don't want no middleman taking a cut of my Rumble wallet.
[00:17:10]  Give us some money.
[00:17:11]  Give us it.
[00:17:12]  Give us it now.
[00:17:13]  You can buy and save digital assets like Bitcoin and Tether Gold in one place.
[00:17:17]  Tether Gold is real gold on the blockchain with ownership of physical gold bars.
[00:17:22]  I like the sound of that.
[00:17:23]  It's a digital currency and it's gold.
[00:17:24]  That's Joe all over.
[00:17:26]  It's not only a wallet to buy and save, it also allows you to support your favorite creators by easily tipping them with a click of a button.
[00:17:30]  There'll be no fees when you tip my channel or others and we actually receive the tip instantly, unlike other platforms where we have to wait for payouts.
[00:17:37]  Support my show and other creators by clicking the tip button on my Rumble channel.
[00:17:40]  It's wallet.rumble.com.
[00:17:42]  Tip us on there.
[00:17:43]  Even don't tip me.
[00:17:44]  I'm alright, man.
[00:17:45]  But, you know, use it.
[00:17:46]  It's good.
[00:17:47]  Download Rumble Wallet today.
[00:17:48]  Open an account and step away from the big banks for good.
[00:17:50]  Wallet.rumble.com.
[00:17:52]  Wallet.rumble.com.
[00:17:54]  Get out of the system.
[00:17:56]  Get into Rumble Wallet.
[00:17:58]  Yeah.
[00:17:59]  I don't think any of it's out of hate.
[00:18:01]  Obviously, I'll get angry on issues, but I think most of the what it would be impossible to do what we do out of hate.
[00:18:07]  You just couldn't do it out of hate.
[00:18:08]  I'll do it out of anger then.
[00:18:09]  Anger, anger, but I do most of my things out of love.
[00:18:11]  I love my kids.
[00:18:12]  I love my country.
[00:18:12]  I love my town.
[00:18:14]  I love all of it.
[00:18:15]  And it's in danger.
[00:18:16]  That's it.
[00:18:16]  And we must stop it.
[00:18:17]  So it's born out of love.
[00:18:19]  It's hard.
[00:18:20]  It's hard when you're clashing.
[00:18:21]  Say you're clashing, which we did very early on.
[00:18:23]  Early on, it was the set, the scene was set.
[00:18:26]  We were young Englishmen.
[00:18:27]  We're going into towns and cities.
[00:18:28]  Young Muslim men are coming out.
[00:18:29]  It's understandable.
[00:18:30]  Groups are clashing.
[00:18:32]  It's pretty hard not to have that mentality on demonstration day where you're under attack and then you feel constantly under attack.
[00:18:38]  I feel constantly under attack.
[00:18:40]  I don't hear actually.
[00:18:41]  I think actually I feel here.
[00:18:42]  John says I've been here.
[00:18:43]  I feel like a different person.
[00:18:45]  It's insane.
[00:18:46]  I'm sitting thinking, I'm always thinking negatively back home.
[00:18:50]  Yeah.
[00:18:50]  All the time.
[00:18:50]  Which at times drives me like that.
[00:18:53]  And it drives me like that.
[00:18:55]  And the other thing, I'd never spoke about my issues.
[00:18:57]  And I used to view someone who speaks about their issues as a wanker.
[00:19:00]  Yeah, it's weak.
[00:19:01]  I know what you mean.
[00:19:01]  I used to think it's weak.
[00:19:02]  So I used to think, and I used to say to my son, but men don't cry.
[00:19:05]  What are you doing?
[00:19:06]  We don't cry.
[00:19:07]  We're tough.
[00:19:07]  Men are tough.
[00:19:08]  You fight.
[00:19:09]  You do this.
[00:19:10]  And then when I went to that thing, I thought, I don't want to talk about this shit.
[00:19:13]  And I'm looking at everyone talking.
[00:19:15]  And now I got a bit engrossed in the whole psychology of it as I was watching and understanding as I sat and didn't talk for the first few and I watched what was going on in the meetings.
[00:19:23]  And I watched them break people down, but they broke them down to build them back up.
[00:19:27]  So I watched it all.
[00:19:28]  And then when I tried to talk, so I thought, right, because you have to address your fears, what's your fears?
[00:19:34]  And they say on the first day, write 10 positive things about yourself.
[00:19:37]  I couldn't write one.
[00:19:37]  Oh, my God.
[00:19:38]  Not at the time.
[00:19:39]  Because I felt like I'd put my family through so much.
[00:19:41]  I felt like I was in this.
[00:19:42]  I thought, fucking hell, man.
[00:19:44]  And then I'm drinking.
[00:19:45]  I'm fighting.
[00:19:45]  This is a youngster.
[00:19:46]  I thought, my life's immoral.
[00:19:48]  It's been immoral.
[00:19:49]  But by the end of it, I thought, no, I'm a good man.
[00:19:52]  I'm a good father.
[00:19:53]  I'm blessed.
[00:19:54]  I'm this.
[00:19:54]  I'm that.
[00:19:55]  By the end of it, you're coming out looking at things and they tell you to write 10 positive things about yourself a day, things you love.
[00:20:01]  But yeah, I went through, I watched all sorts of, and when I tried to talk, I couldn't talk.
[00:20:05]  I broke down.
[00:20:06]  What happened?
[00:20:06]  What the fuck's happening?
[00:20:07]  What happened when they went, the thing that you said about being confronted with letters from your loved ones?
[00:20:13]  What happened when that happened to you?
[00:20:14]  Yeah, mine was about I'd caused upset or worry or fear to the family.
[00:20:20]  It wasn't that they couldn't deal with, we lived under a lot of threat.
[00:20:24]  Yeah.
[00:20:24]  My ex-wife, it was that I'd be missing for two days out with a lad to turn my phone off, which I thought was normal.
[00:20:30]  Do you know why I thought it was normal?
[00:20:31]  Because all the lads do it.
[00:20:32]  I was thinking, fuck off, what are you talking about?
[00:20:33]  But then, and then looking on and evaluating it and thinking how unfair it is.
[00:20:37]  And you think about all of that.
[00:20:39]  And then you have the letters and worries and fears.
[00:20:41]  And then the personality, you go out and you drink and party for two, three days.
[00:20:46]  You're not right for a week.
[00:20:47]  So then by the time you're right again, you do it again.
[00:20:50]  And I was in a period of that.
[00:20:52]  I was in a period of thinking that's normal.
[00:20:55]  And I guess my thing was, whether it's escapism, I think when I drink and party like that, I'm not thinking about all the other shit.
[00:21:04]  So I'm sort of like, my phone goes off.
[00:21:06]  I don't care.
[00:21:07]  I'm not worrying about all that.
[00:21:09]  I'm just lost for a couple of days.
[00:21:11]  And then when it comes to coming around or getting back to life, then it's even worse.
[00:21:18]  And I'd never found the gym.
[00:21:20]  At this time, so when I come out of rehab, I come out of rehabilitation after 28 days and I went abroad to a martial arts camp and I spent three, I went, I went for three weeks.
[00:21:29]  I stayed for three months and I found fitness and I found health and I found that if I trained and I still find that now, if I train, I can face the day.
[00:21:38]  If I go four or five days without physical exercise, the clouds start coming over and I start all the panic.
[00:21:44]  I have a lot of worry anyway.
[00:21:46]  I've had a lot of worry and then I sort of look at what I've done to my kids, my family.
[00:21:49]  I start look at all these things.
[00:21:50]  So I'm talking too much about myself.
[00:21:51]  I'm here to interview you.
[00:21:53]  So I had all that.
[00:21:54]  But getting back to yourself, sorry.
[00:21:57]  I think it's good for us to have this conversation because I feel, I was watching you then, I'm listening to you.
[00:22:03]  I've watched you for a long time.
[00:22:05]  And I feel sometimes that there's obviously a kind of greatness in you.
[00:22:11]  And I don't want to try.
[00:22:13]  I don't, no one can tell you nothing about yourself.
[00:22:15]  You've lived your life.
[00:22:16]  You know yourself.
[00:22:17]  But I feel like that if we could make the adjustment, the people that care about our country, that care about the UK, that care about dismantling, disrupting and ultimately overturning and kicking out the elites that are in control of our country, if we could find ways among ourselves of aligning, they are in serious trouble.
[00:22:37]  And if we are in any way fighting one another, they can continue to dominate and govern us.
[00:22:43]  And when I see that, I think you're alcoholic.
[00:22:46]  I think you should not drink.
[00:22:47]  No, I shouldn't.
[00:22:48]  No.
[00:22:48]  No, no, no, I come out.
[00:22:50]  I know that.
[00:22:51]  It turns me into a different person and it has no possibility.
[00:22:53]  So do you drink now?
[00:22:55]  No, I don't know, but that's not to say about the other stuff.
[00:22:57]  No, I don't smoke.
[00:22:58]  I've never smoked them.
[00:22:59]  No, I never smoked.
[00:23:00]  But I would say, like, I never drunk to enjoy myself.
[00:23:03]  It's a very different sort of thing.
[00:23:05]  I drink to blackout.
[00:23:06]  So I never, it's not enjoyable for me.
[00:23:08]  I'm quite sociable anyway.
[00:23:10]  I prefer Dr. Pepper.
[00:23:12]  I prefer that.
[00:23:13]  My drinks, I like a lot of people.
[00:23:14]  There's plenty more where that comes from, Tommy.
[00:23:17]  We can look after that.
[00:23:17]  And if I had one now, if I had one now, we luckily turned it down.
[00:23:21]  We got an invite to a top club.
[00:23:22]  But a VIP, free everything when we was just where we were.
[00:23:25]  Had an invite, come along.
[00:23:26]  I was close, man.
[00:23:27]  I was close.
[00:23:28]  But then I just said, look, I know myself.
[00:23:30]  And the insanity of addiction is that you tell yourself it's going to be different this time.
[00:23:35]  But I know if I went to a club, the next day and the next day, they're gone.
[00:23:40]  No, I can't do it.
[00:23:41]  Like, I just can't.
[00:23:42]  I know that.
[00:23:43]  So I managed not to.
[00:23:44]  But I don't always manage not to.
[00:23:45]  So I'm not going to say, have you been clean since you were 27 years old without an alcoholic?
[00:23:48]  Yeah.
[00:23:49]  Yeah, that's great.
[00:23:49]  You're good.
[00:23:50]  And you still go to meetings now?
[00:23:52]  Yeah.
[00:23:52]  I went to one today.
[00:23:53]  I went to one this morning.
[00:23:54]  Step one.
[00:23:54]  How often do you go to meetings?
[00:23:56]  I try, I need probably four a week.
[00:23:58]  Sometimes I get to three because I need to know that other people feel the same way that I feel, that what I feel is not that important.
[00:24:07]  I need to know that God is paramount in my life.
[00:24:10]  I have to have a regular refreshing.
[00:24:13]  Like, see you, what I reckon, mate, is that you're somewhat self-sustaining.
[00:24:17]  Like, you know, if I keep myself fit, if I do this, if I do that.
[00:24:19]  Now you're trying to find another solution to.
[00:24:21]  Where are you going for sort of compassion?
[00:24:23]  Where are you going for connection?
[00:24:24]  Who is it that you're talking to that's letting you know that you're okay and that you're loved?
[00:24:28]  Step one, admit we've got a problem.
[00:24:30]  Step two, it's possible for it to improve.
[00:24:32]  Step three, I can't do this no more.
[00:24:34]  I need help.
[00:24:35]  Now, see, even after I've been doing that all them years, Tommy, I like, the truth is, I slept around too much.
[00:24:41]  I was very, very promiscuous.
[00:24:42]  And when I was famous, women were attracted to me and I took the piss.
[00:24:45]  I want to get on to that.
[00:24:46]  Yeah, fair enough.
[00:24:47]  Tell me, what was it like going from a 15-year-old fat kid to women throwing themselves at you?
[00:24:51]  It's unbelievable.
[00:24:52]  You know, in Willie Wonker and a chocolate factory, Augustus Gloop, when he gets in that chocolate river, I'm like him.
[00:24:58]  Like, suddenly you're in the chocolate factory and you've got access to endless candy and chocolate, although it's not candy and chocolate.
[00:25:05]  There's some disgusting jokes I could do, but I'm in the edit, Tommy.
[00:25:08]  I'm in the edit and I don't want to make them jokes, mate.
[00:25:10]  So what is a very, very strange thing to go from feelings of weakness and ugliness to feelings of attractiveness.
[00:25:18]  Those are like, that's a pretty extreme thing.
[00:25:20]  Home at lows, almost highs.
[00:25:21]  Do you think during the addiction you was using women as?
[00:25:24]  Yes.
[00:25:24]  Oh, yeah.
[00:25:25]  It was exploitative.
[00:25:26]  It was definitely the thing is, the truth is, it was wrong.
[00:25:29]  It ain't rape or sexual assault, but it's wrong.
[00:25:32]  You was always quite open and honest.
[00:25:34]  Yeah.
[00:25:34]  About you.
[00:25:36]  It's all in the shows.
[00:25:37]  It's all in the stand-up shows.
[00:25:38]  Like at the end of the shows, mate, I was going like, if you, you might think, oh, Russell Brandy's so attractive and he's a big star.
[00:25:44]  If only I was good enough to have sex with him.
[00:25:45]  Give it, go.
[00:25:46]  You probably are.
[00:25:46]  Come backstage.
[00:25:47]  Anyone aged between 18 and death, give it a whirl.
[00:25:50]  I was just saying that at the end of the shows.
[00:25:51]  It's not for an autograph though, unless you want that autograph on the wall of your uterus in sperm.
[00:25:55]  Like, man, the gear was pretty clear.
[00:25:58]  Was you just saying that or was you participating in that?
[00:26:00]  Was you taking girls, if you see a girl you like, was you...
[00:26:02]  Yeah, do you want to come backstage?
[00:26:03]  You up for it?
[00:26:04]  What are you saying, love?
[00:26:05]  That's why I lived.
[00:26:07]  Now, look, me, as a 50-year-old man, father of three, that's not a good way to live.
[00:26:12]  My job is to protect women, to love women, and with men, to let them know that it's okay to be who they are and to be vulnerable and that you are loved.
[00:26:19]  That's my job here.
[00:26:20]  My job's not, I'm important, adore me.
[00:26:22]  So you was right to say I was a dick because when you were saying I was, that is what I was.
[00:26:26]  I was self-aggrandising, self-consumed person, living on the culture, living on the sugar and sweets of the culture like an imbecile.
[00:26:34]  And that's when I was fine.
[00:26:35]  That's when they're willing to pay you.
[00:26:36]  The minute you stop and start going, what's going on with Moderna?
[00:26:38]  What's going on with Pfizer?
[00:26:39]  What's going on with all these wars?
[00:26:40]  I remembered where I'm from.
[00:26:42]  I remembered who I am.
[00:26:43]  And when that happens, they're not interested no more.
[00:26:47]  Okay, I want to rewind.
[00:26:48]  16, you go, you start doing acting, you start becoming successful.
[00:26:52]  It took a while, mate.
[00:26:53]  Did it?
[00:26:54]  Tell me, tell me how much work it took.
[00:26:56]  A lot.
[00:26:56]  A lot.
[00:26:57]  And one of the hard things is...
[00:26:58]  And especially if you're on drugs during this period...
[00:27:00]  See, between 16 and 27, I'd get occasional breaks, but I'd mess everything up because I was on drugs.
[00:27:04]  So I'd get into drama schools.
[00:27:07]  Charities would pay me.
[00:27:09]  I did really well.
[00:27:10]  Got a grant off Essex Council to go to drama school.
[00:27:12]  They only give three of them out a year across all of the arts, painters, actors, the works, three a year.
[00:27:17]  I got one of them.
[00:27:17]  It's one of the things I was most proud of near the beginning.
[00:27:20]  But then I was on it the old time.
[00:27:22]  So I got thrown out of that place and I couldn't behave myself.
[00:27:25]  I was a troublemaker, self-harming, punching windows, being an idiot, getting arrested, stealing things, drunk all the time.
[00:27:30]  I was a lunatic.
[00:27:31]  There was two competing drives in me.
[00:27:33]  The drive, I consider it to be the drive for God or greatness.
[00:27:35]  You can see it the same thing in a way because all greatness surely belongs to him.
[00:27:39]  And then the other side of things was selfishness, stupidity, being a bloody idiot.
[00:27:43]  So I got thrown out of that drama school, got thrown out of everywhere.
[00:27:45]  I got thrown out of England.
[00:27:46]  I got thrown out of Hollywood.
[00:27:47]  I'm always getting thrown out of places.
[00:27:48]  That's my pattern, mate.
[00:27:50]  So, but when I stopped, when I stopped using, well, a little bit.
[00:27:55]  When I got thrown out of, when at 27, I got kicked out of that.
[00:27:58]  When I got thrown out of drama school when I was about 22, even though they'd been like, oh, this kid's good, you know what I mean?
[00:28:03]  They was backing me.
[00:28:04]  They were really, they were lovely to me, actually, those people at Drama Centre.
[00:28:07]  When I stopped using at 27 because I met someone that was strong enough in the form of John Noel to tell me you need to sort yourself out, he was like really a father figure.
[00:28:18]  And then in Chip Summers, who was a person that had lived abstinent for a while, he had about 15, 16 years and ran the treatment centre that I ended up going to.
[00:28:25]  He's a person that said, if you carry on like you are, you're going to be dead in six months' time.
[00:28:29]  Did he become your sponsor?
[00:28:30]  He did, actually, yeah.
[00:28:31]  Yeah, he did.
[00:28:32]  He did.
[00:28:32]  So people understand when you go into a rehab centre or you do the 12 steps, you need to find a sponsor.
[00:28:36]  A sponsor is usually someone who's lived that exact life.
[00:28:39]  So they understand they've been an addict, they've done the mad stuff, they've been in the police cells, they've done it all, they've lived the chaotic life that you've lived, so they understand.
[00:28:46]  So you need someone like that that you can relate with.
[00:28:48]  You can't relate with most people.
[00:28:50]  Did your mum ask you to stop drugs?
[00:28:52]  Yeah.
[00:28:52]  Your missus asked you to stop drugs?
[00:28:54]  Everyone, I mean, you didn't stop drugs.
[00:28:56]  And then you end up in a rehab centre.
[00:28:57]  So that's when they say there's a power greater than you because all the people you dearly love haven't been able to make you stop.
[00:29:03]  Makes no difference.
[00:29:04]  You'd think you'd stop for your kids.
[00:29:05]  You'd think, I didn't have kids then.
[00:29:06]  I wasn't married then.
[00:29:07]  I was like, you know, when I was 27, I was, you know.
[00:29:09]  So had you made it at 27?
[00:29:10]  Had you made it?
[00:29:11]  At which point do you end up...
[00:29:14]  It was Big Brother, mate.
[00:29:15]  Like when I was like, that's what, like, when I'd done that, I'd done a show where you talk about Big Brother called Big Brother's Big Mouth.
[00:29:21]  So the main show of Big Brother would be on, then there'd be another show talking about Big Brother.
[00:29:24]  And then they got you on it.
[00:29:25]  That's your break.
[00:29:26]  Yeah.
[00:29:26]  That was funny.
[00:29:27]  And I was funny on that thing.
[00:29:28]  And like, and after that, like, I've been doing stand-up all that time.
[00:29:31]  So my stand-up went from doing shows in front of 50 people or 100 people.
[00:29:34]  Mate, this was one of the most amazing ones.
[00:29:36]  So that show, Big Brother's Big Mouth, was on, it became real popular.
[00:29:39]  And like comedians that I loved were into it.
[00:29:42]  Like comedians like Frank Skinner and Bob Mortimer and Jonathan Ross and all people I'd admired when I was a kid liked it and were like, oh, this kid's funny and stuff.
[00:29:50]  I was 30.
[00:29:50]  I'm really a kid.
[00:29:51]  Anyway, so like, um, but...
[00:29:52]  So you didn't make your break till you're 30?
[00:29:53]  30.
[00:29:54]  30, man.
[00:29:55]  Until 30, he was probably broke.
[00:29:56]  A lot of grafts, signing on, doing like stand-up above pubs, 50 quid here, 20 quid.
[00:30:02]  They just kept going, kept grinding.
[00:30:03]  I've got a grind in me, mate.
[00:30:04]  I don't give up easy.
[00:30:05]  I don't give up easy by God's grace.
[00:30:07]  Anyway, like then, after that, like, what was this was what was mental.
[00:30:12]  I went on, like, that big brother show started getting big.
[00:30:14]  I went on Jonathan Ross and like he interviewed me and I was funny on his talk show.
[00:30:18]  Like he used to have one on Saturday, Friday night or whatever on BBC.
[00:30:21]  What was it tonight with Jonathan Ross?
[00:30:23]  That's the one.
[00:30:23]  And then like, and then check this out.
[00:30:26]  Like, a friend of a friend ran goes, Kate Moss wants to go on a date with you.
[00:30:31]  Kate.
[00:30:32]  And I'm like, hello, this is all turning around.
[00:30:34]  Hi, hi.
[00:30:34]  Oh, Russ.
[00:30:35]  Oh, Russ.
[00:30:36]  And then this was an amazing moment in my life.
[00:30:38]  I was at Upton Park, West Anvy.
[00:30:41]  I can't remember the game.
[00:30:42]  You're a West Ham fan, yeah?
[00:30:44]  Yeah.
[00:30:44]  And I can't remember the game.
[00:30:46]  But like, Pete, I got recognized at Upton Park.
[00:30:49]  So a place that I'd been going since I was five years old and just be with my dad or be with my mates when I was a little bit older.
[00:30:55]  Suddenly, I was recognised there.
[00:30:58]  And that was a mad moment.
[00:30:59]  It seemed like it happened in one weekend.
[00:31:01]  Went on that, got that phone call from Kate Moss, went West Ham, everyone recognising me.
[00:31:06]  From that moment on, famous.

=== Surprised by the Reception (03:40) ===

[00:31:08]  And there was a bit where it was brilliant.
[00:31:11]  A bit where it was brilliant for a little bit because suddenly you've got like lots and lots of women.
[00:31:16]  It's just sort of crazy.
[00:31:17]  It's unbelievable.
[00:31:19]  Because I don't know, that's what I thought we were meant to be doing.
[00:31:21]  I thought if you're like a young man, you're meant to be pulling birds.
[00:31:24]  That's what the culture's telling you.
[00:31:26]  And it went from normal life of, you know, having to chat women up and all that.
[00:31:30]  Sometimes you will, sometimes you won't, all of that, to just all of a sudden, the reverse polarity, they're coming at you.
[00:31:36]  It's just sort of unbelievable and brilliant and fantastic.
[00:31:40]  But it does, what happens as well when you experience that?
[00:31:43]  And I wonder what version of it you would have experienced in your way, in your life.
[00:31:47]  There's something missing from it.
[00:31:49]  cannot get what God wants us to have from this world.
[00:31:53]  You can't get it from drink, you can't get it from drugs, you can't get it from money, you can't get it from fame, can't get it from celebrity, can't get it from sex, can't get it from other people approving of you, can't get it from all the people that imagine on this trip or wherever you go in certain towns in London people going thank you Tommy like I see on my comments people that love you people that think you're fantastic but in the end it's not enough the only thing that really matters is God and sometimes when I think like when you're saying like You know that you're fighting for British people, you're fighting for your family, you're fighting for your towns and for the communities of Britain, I believe you.
[00:32:20]  I really, really believe you.
[00:32:21]  What are those towns about?
[00:32:23]  What is Britain?
[00:32:24]  If God isn't in there, if Britain isn't England's green and pleasant lands, if there isn't a sense that Christ and justice and dignity and humanity are present in our country, then what is Britain?
[00:32:35]  I know it's the football culture, is it the food?
[00:32:37]  What is Britain anymore?
[00:32:39]  Like, in addition to the aspect that you focus on, and I recognise we've all got our little part to play in what I consider to be the fight, you're very focused on the issue of migration and the Islamification of Britain, it seems to me, for watching from the outside, I know you'll correct me.
[00:32:52]  I know you ain't shy about doing stuff like that.
[00:32:53]  But like, there's other things as well I consider the kind of things that are coming out in these Epstein files that we know that like elite organisations, institutions, families and corporations have much more power than the ordinary people of Britain.
[00:33:05]  If the ordinary people of Britain vote one way, but the elites want you going another way, you are going the other way.
[00:33:10]  Don't matter if you vote for Kier Starmer of Labour or David Cameron of the Conservative Party or Tony Blair of Labour or maybe they choose who makes it, they choose it.
[00:33:17]  They choose who makes it.
[00:33:18]  And it seems to me from the outside that even like reform might be moving a little bit close to the centre, getting ready for reform and the Conservatives, the former coalition and Nigel Farrar coming in.
[00:33:26]  Next Prime Minister of Britain.
[00:33:28]  Who is it that is going to fight for the British people?
[00:33:30]  And how are they going to fight for the British people?
[00:33:33]  And how are we together going to overcome some of the challenges?
[00:33:35]  Like a significant number of Muslims live in Britain now and deserve to live there happily and safely.
[00:33:42]  When it comes to a subject like illegal immigration, the clue's in the question.
[00:33:45]  If it's illegal, then they, you know, that's illegal.
[00:33:48]  Don't have laws if you're not going to enforce them.
[00:33:50]  But when it comes to finding harmony, I feel like because you are the most prominent voice and significant figure in this area, we have to find a way of having that conversation in a way that gives people room and a way back.
[00:34:02]  Like, don't you want to be able to sort of walk past Finsbury Park Mosque or East London Mosque and be cool?
[00:34:09]  You'd be quite surprised.
[00:34:10]  I get not Muslims don't.
[00:34:12]  You'd be quite surprised.
[00:34:13]  Obviously, you get to see the little 60-second video when someone's wanting to hit me or fight me.
[00:34:17]  Yeah.
[00:34:17]  You'd be quite surprised by the reception I receive.
[00:34:19]  People respect you.
[00:34:20]  Yeah, you'd be surprised.
[00:34:21]  Maybe I see Muslims.
[00:34:22]  What?
[00:34:23]  Good.
[00:34:23]  Yeah, you'd be surprised.
[00:34:24]  Many people have some fascinating conversations.
[00:34:26]  Like I say, I don't hate Muslims, but I don't want Islam to take over my country.
[00:34:29]  I don't want the influence of it.
[00:34:30]  I don't want Sharia.
[00:34:31]  I don't want these problems.
[00:34:32]  So can I ask you, just rewinding a bit, before we get onto the whole Islamic issue?
[00:34:36]  Because I know you went to demonstrations on that side of the fence.
[00:34:38]  I was at one on this side of the fence.
[00:34:40]  So I want to get there.
[00:34:41]  Did you ever see yourself as part of the elite?
[00:34:43]  When you went to, say, for example, from outside in, from us, did a couple of questions.

=== Katie Perry's Strange Hollywood Stories (15:22) ===

[00:34:48]  When do you end up in Hollywood?
[00:34:50]  When does that happen?
[00:34:51]  It's a good story.
[00:34:51]  When does Katie Perry happen?
[00:34:53]  Oh, it's a good story.
[00:34:53]  All these stories are happening.
[00:34:54]  And how much did you get in a divorce with her?
[00:34:56]  Anyway, we're going to.
[00:34:57]  I've literally done a sniff on that.
[00:34:59]  That's why I picked it up.
[00:35:00]  Well, the women always take the money, so I hope you're going to go.
[00:35:02]  Let's go.
[00:35:04]  Well, I can tell you the answer to all them questions.
[00:35:06]  How I ended up in Hollywood is like I got a job on MTV.
[00:35:09]  My mate Gareth, God love him, he was producing a show on MTV where they wanted UK MTV to have a cool show on it.
[00:35:17]  And by that time, I was getting famous off the Big Brother thing.
[00:35:19]  And they went, Do you want to have a show One Leicester Square?
[00:35:22]  And all them big stars that come over from America, like, you know, big movie stars, Tom Cruise came on it, Christine Aganier, Aguilera, Britney Spears, all that mob.
[00:35:31]  They all came on, right?
[00:35:32]  Pink, people that were famous in them days, they all came on this show, One Leicester Square, right?
[00:35:38]  And on that show, big movie stars come.
[00:35:41]  One of them that came on was Adam Sandler.
[00:35:43]  And when Adam Sandler come on, yeah, he came on with his agent, and like his agent, obviously in the background, I'm chatting with Adam Sandler.
[00:35:50]  Normally, if you have like a big star on your show, you shut up and let them chat.
[00:35:53]  Not me, though.
[00:35:54]  I was mugging him off, chatting away, making loads of jokes.
[00:35:57]  Adam Sandler was laughing because Adam Sandler's cool.
[00:35:59]  He's a lovely, lovely person.
[00:36:01]  Right?
[00:36:01]  And afterwards, his agent goes to him, what do you think of that, Giza?
[00:36:04]  Like, half expecting that Adam Sandler.
[00:36:06]  I'm going, he's a cunt.
[00:36:07]  Like, and excuse my language, Adam Sandler goes, no, I liked him.
[00:36:10]  And this fellow, the agent, goes, let's get him over to Los Angeles.
[00:36:12]  So I got one of them amazing phone calls where it's like, oh, the Hollywood agent of Adam Sandler wants you to come to Los Angeles.
[00:36:20]  Like a few years before, I'm like signing on, I'm like doing gigs above pubs and all that.
[00:36:25]  Now I've glamoured myself up.
[00:36:27]  You're clean at this point.
[00:36:28]  You've done rehab?
[00:36:29]  Three years clean.
[00:36:30]  Can I ask you quickly?
[00:36:31]  You know, when you went to rehab and you come out and you found your high power, was it God then?
[00:36:35]  Because you're very religious now.
[00:36:36]  I knew God was real.
[00:36:38]  I knew God was real before.
[00:36:39]  I knew God for a true.
[00:36:40]  Have you ever took acid, Tommy?
[00:36:41]  No.
[00:36:42]  All right.
[00:36:42]  Well, that was too long of a pause.
[00:36:44]  So like, um.
[00:36:48]  Like, anyway, when I took.
[00:36:50]  My son sat there.
[00:36:50]  Oh, yeah.
[00:36:51]  Have you done Ayoshka?
[00:36:52]  Have you done Ayoshka?
[00:36:53]  I haven't because I've not taken no drugs since I've been clean.
[00:36:56]  When I was a kid, I like just over the wreck, over the park, little blotters of acid, like everyone was doing.
[00:37:01]  When I took stuff like that, I knew even when I was a little boy, I knew God, yeah.
[00:37:06]  And not only sourcing, I don't mean hallucinations, I mean the cracking apart of the self, like the feeling that who you think you are can be regarded as some memories, projections, and fears, that you can kind of change it.
[00:37:18]  It's not permanent.
[00:37:19]  That like Christ is born again, we are born again.
[00:37:23]  We are changeable.
[00:37:24]  Like the original man, Adam, the man made from dirt, eventually becomes the man made of spirit, Christ Jesus, fully embodied, fully man, but fully spirit, fully God.
[00:37:34]  This journey shows us what we are able to do and supposed to do.
[00:37:38]  Now, I never put it in Christian terms before because I thought Christianity was about shutting people up and controlling people, nonsera down the Vatican and bullshit with the Anglicans.
[00:37:48]  I never thought it was very interesting.
[00:37:50]  I thought it was about conditioning, Tommy, right?
[00:37:53]  But when I was tripping in that and smoking loads of weed, the kind of experiences I was having is there are other layers of reality.
[00:37:59]  There are other dimensions to reality.
[00:38:01]  There's a deeper truth that we're not being shown.
[00:38:03]  So when I got clean from drugs, and it talks about having a higher power, I was recognizing, yeah, who did create, you know, like all the kind of questions everyone asks themselves: who did create the universe, even if you believe in the Big Bang, what happened on the Tuesday before the Big Bang.
[00:38:16]  All those things started to become very relevant to me when I came off drugs.
[00:38:19]  Now, it's okay to have the idea of a God, but you've got to recognize too, and you need to know that that God loves you.
[00:38:24]  It's not enough to just know there is some God, but he don't care what happens to Tommy or Russell or any of us.
[00:38:28]  That's no bloody use to me.
[00:38:30]  That's no use to me.
[00:38:31]  I can't cling on just for that.
[00:38:33]  And I think drug addicts are very, very spiritual people.
[00:38:35]  I think they're people with a calling.
[00:38:37]  If you're willing to die for what you believe in, by definition, you know there's something bigger than yourself.
[00:38:43]  That's why everyone in the world on some level recognizes the beauty of that position.
[00:38:48]  People that are willing to suffer for what they believe in, even if they're on the other side of the camp from you.
[00:38:53]  One side might be the IRA, other side might be the British squaddy.
[00:38:56]  Both of them are willing to fight and die for what they believe in.
[00:38:58]  There's got to be some kind of mutual respect there.
[00:39:00]  On one side, you've got the people in Gaza, Hamas, or whatever.
[00:39:04]  On the other side, you've got the IDF.
[00:39:05]  Both of them are willing to kill and die for what they believe in.
[00:39:08]  In every conflict, there's the idea that there's a supreme idea that's stronger than your life, whether it's your family or your wife or your nation or whatever.
[00:39:15]  Or the supreme idea is God.
[00:39:17]  When I'm in that treatment center, I'm still worshiping myself, really.
[00:39:20]  I'm still worshiping myself.
[00:39:22]  I stopped taking drugs because I thought you ain't going to make it on drugs.
[00:39:26]  I can see you keep fucking up, you keep losing jobs.
[00:39:29]  I was deteriorating.
[00:39:30]  You did this gesture earlier.
[00:39:31]  I was falling apart.
[00:39:32]  I started to recognize that I would be more successful.
[00:39:36]  But I'd been introduced to the idea of God, but I didn't learn enough because if I'd learned enough, I'd have known don't sleep around.
[00:39:42]  I'd have learned that lesson as well.
[00:39:43]  And I didn't learn that lesson.
[00:39:44]  I got famous.
[00:39:46]  I went from being poor to having money.
[00:39:48]  I went from being unhappy.
[00:39:48]  I didn't know you were Queen at the time that you blew up.
[00:39:51]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:39:51]  So you'd already gone for it.
[00:39:53]  Yeah, well, you were calling me a crackhead.
[00:39:55]  That was out of bounds.
[00:39:55]  It was actually libel.
[00:39:57]  If I had time, I'd sue you.
[00:39:59]  I've got a trial every 50 years.
[00:40:00]  I've got no money.
[00:40:01]  Contrary to the Mossad Bulls.
[00:40:03]  Let me have that.
[00:40:04]  Dr. Pepper's coming back across the table.
[00:40:06]  Come on, then, so you end up in Hollywood.
[00:40:08]  Well, oh, yes, Katie Perry.
[00:40:11]  Adam Sandler.
[00:40:12]  So I went over there and I went for like two or Adam Sanders stuck me in his film, Bedtime Stories, lovely little kids' film.
[00:40:17]  And I'm on the first trip, met all the people around Judd Appetow.
[00:40:20]  They had a people who made like 40-year-old Virgin and the film that I'd done, Sarah Marshall.
[00:40:24]  The thing that I'm good at, right, by God's grace, is spontaneity and improvising.
[00:40:28]  So in the audition, they go improvise a scene.
[00:40:32]  And like, I've improvised it.
[00:40:33]  It was funny.
[00:40:33]  It's on the internet.
[00:40:34]  You can watch the Sarah Marshall, Sarah Marshall audition.
[00:40:36]  In fact, we'll put a link to it in the description.
[00:40:37]  Have a look at that.
[00:40:38]  So like I'd done good in that, and they put me in that film.
[00:40:41]  But even that, that was one of the prime examples of the hollowness and emptiness of it all.
[00:40:45]  I got a part in a big Hollywood film.
[00:40:47]  They asked me to host the MTV VMA awards two years running.
[00:40:51]  The first one, a mug off George Bush and like say, in my country, that guy wouldn't be allowed to, oh, he's got access to the nuclear button.
[00:40:57]  In my country, we wouldn't give him a remote control.
[00:40:59]  He wouldn't be trusted with a pair of scissors, is what I said.
[00:41:01]  Them Jonas brother, Jonas brothers with their virginity rings, I don't see that means much.
[00:41:06]  They should start wearing them around their cocks if they're serious.
[00:41:08]  And like the next day, mate, I'd said, I want to be the most famous person in America.
[00:41:11]  I said something like that.
[00:41:13]  This is funny, like that agent geezer that flown me over there.
[00:41:16]  He goes, I goes, I want everyone, you know, I want to be famous in America.
[00:41:19]  And like the next day, when all the comments started coming in and all the newspaper goes, well, you wanted everyone in America to know who you are.
[00:41:24]  And now they do.
[00:41:25]  And they don't like you.
[00:41:29]  And all the balloons I'd had in my room for the celebration were half filled with helium and floating like jellyfish in the room.
[00:41:35]  And it felt eerie and creepy and scary.
[00:41:37]  So you'd done the big show and everyone ate it.
[00:41:39]  They ate it.
[00:41:39]  Everyone ate me.
[00:41:40]  Why did they ate it?
[00:41:41]  Because you because you went over them, you overstepped the market.
[00:41:43]  I overstepped the market.
[00:41:45]  For the conservative views of America, which were very different to Britain.
[00:41:48]  You're probably right.
[00:41:49]  Yeah, that is what it was.
[00:41:50]  That is what it was.
[00:41:50]  I didn't really think about it anymore.
[00:41:51]  Did they see you as a degenerate?
[00:41:53]  Yeah.
[00:41:54]  Quite rightly in some ways.
[00:41:55]  But then the next year, though, they had me back.
[00:41:57]  Katie Perry didn't see you as a girl.
[00:41:58]  Katie Perry was the next year.
[00:41:59]  The next year, Katie Perry, that's all we can show you right now on YouTube.
[00:42:03]  If we can show any of you on YouTube, me and Tommy are so banned all over the gaff.
[00:42:07]  Click the link in the description.
[00:42:08]  Join us here on Rumble.
[00:42:09]  And if you don't have Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium Now.
[00:42:12]  Let us know in the comments and chats who else you want to see us talk to.
[00:42:15]  Thanks for being a member of our community, whether you're on locals or Rumble Premium.
[00:42:18]  Remember, sign up to Rumble Premium right now.
[00:42:21]  Let's get back to the content.
[00:42:22]  Right?
[00:42:22]  I was at the Radio City Hall, massive venue in New York.
[00:42:25]  Thousands of people is where the Rockettes place.
[00:42:27]  Glamorous as it's mad, mate.
[00:42:29]  It's beautiful in there.
[00:42:30]  Thousands of seats says, over there's Jay-Z, Beyonce, all these famous people.
[00:42:34]  When you see it, it's all it was the year when Kanye nicked the thing off Taylor Swift.
[00:42:38]  That was the year.
[00:42:39]  I never saw that bit because the teleprompter had gone down.
[00:42:41]  And I was like, what's up with the teleprompter?
[00:42:43]  Because I had to improvise it because the teleprompter went down.
[00:42:45]  I couldn't remember, you know, I had to come up with a load of stuff anyway.
[00:42:48]  I was dealing with that kind of thing.
[00:42:50]  Anyway, in the rehearsal of that, Katie Perry, God lover, she lobbed a bottle at my head, a plastic bottle it was.
[00:42:59]  Tames is like, to flirt.
[00:43:03]  Katie, we're flirting.
[00:43:05]  Katie frozen.
[00:43:06]  She threw a bottle at my head.
[00:43:07]  She happened to go up and chatting to someone.
[00:43:08]  Well, that's not the way she rolls, old Katie P.
[00:43:10]  She threw that bottle at her.
[00:43:11]  She was a religious girl, no?
[00:43:12]  Shit, her back.
[00:43:13]  Her dad's a pastor, no?
[00:43:14]  Her dad, yeah, Keith, I stayed friends with her father, Keith, Pastor Keith, Goodman, and her mum, Mary Goodman.
[00:43:19]  What did he think of you, though?
[00:43:20]  Because of Frozen.
[00:43:21]  He was alright.
[00:43:22]  He says to me now, I always knew you were a man of God.
[00:43:25]  I knew God was on your case.
[00:43:26]  I knew the Lord would get you.
[00:43:28]  Now, Katie, she's lovely.
[00:43:29]  I mean, we went, it was amazing to fall in love with a pop star.
[00:43:32]  You're something like, I'm from Gray's in Essex.
[00:43:35]  I'm from Grey.
[00:43:35]  You're going to end up working.
[00:43:36]  I was a little fat kid at school.
[00:43:37]  I was a little fat kid at school.
[00:43:38]  You're going to work at a call centre or you're going to work at Ford's or whatever.
[00:43:41]  You're not even good enough to be in the football team.
[00:43:43]  Pop stars now.
[00:43:44]  It's amazing.
[00:43:45]  It's amazing.
[00:43:46]  It's sort of incredible.
[00:43:47]  And she was a lovely person, but it was my fault, really, because I wanted to marry her.
[00:43:51]  I wanted to marry her because I've sort of wanted to hold on to her, I suppose.
[00:43:55]  So I guess I rushed it.
[00:43:56]  When it came to the divorce, mate, it was because I think both of us realized we were sort of different people on different.
[00:44:02]  How long was you with her?
[00:44:03]  I think in total, it might have been just under a couple of years.
[00:44:07]  Do you think if you had a kid, it might have lasted?
[00:44:09]  Oh, I know.
[00:44:09]  Because some people have a kid and then they stay together for the family.
[00:44:11]  Thank the Lord there wasn't a kid.
[00:44:13]  Thank the Lord there wasn't.
[00:44:14]  But like, you know, I pray for her.
[00:44:16]  I pray that she's happy.
[00:44:17]  I pray for her.
[00:44:18]  Well, your prayers ain't gone very well.
[00:44:19]  She's ended up with fucking Justin Trudeau.
[00:44:21]  That is what I prayed for.
[00:44:22]  I said, let her marry a Melt God.
[00:44:24]  Let her marry a Meltman.
[00:44:25]  Let her marry a globalist little son of a man.
[00:44:27]  he's going i mean my guess would be i don't know thanks going on Saying it's, mate, I don't know.
[00:44:34]  I just his beard.
[00:44:35]  But what I would say.
[00:44:37]  But I, um, Justin Trudeau, yeah, he's not a person I feel naturally drawn to, I've got to tell you.
[00:44:42]  But although he might be naturally drawn to us from on the basis of what you're saying, given his tendency.
[00:44:47]  But there he is.
[00:44:47]  He's with Katie now.
[00:44:48]  When I got divorced, mate, what I've done was, in California, if you get divorced, you're entitled to have 50% of your spouse's gear.
[00:44:56]  And I, like, and at that time, Katie Perry, and at this time, Katie Perry was double, double rich.
[00:45:02]  She'd had all that fireworks and all them songs, you know, she was minted.
[00:45:06]  And I went, look, this ain't worked out.
[00:45:08]  I don't need no money or nothing.
[00:45:10]  Let's just try and do this in the night.
[00:45:11]  What was you worth at that time?
[00:45:12]  Do you know what I'm asking?
[00:45:13]  I don't know.
[00:45:14]  I don't know.
[00:45:14]  How much?
[00:45:15]  I'm not good with money, mate.
[00:45:16]  Okay.
[00:45:16]  Do you have someone manage money?
[00:45:18]  Thank the Lord now.
[00:45:18]  I've got good people backing me.
[00:45:20]  But at that time.
[00:45:21]  Yeah, of course I did.
[00:45:22]  Oh, you have all them Hollywood agents, mate.
[00:45:24]  At that time, compared to her, you'd be 10 times less than her.
[00:45:27]  Yeah, easily.
[00:45:28]  10 times less than her, and you just walked away with what was yours?
[00:45:31]  Yeah, I'll be alright.
[00:45:32]  You didn't take...
[00:45:33]  No, I didn't need it.
[00:45:35]  Okay, fair play.
[00:45:36]  Yeah, no, you don't, yeah, also, that's not my, see, in spite of, look, like, I'm trying to tell you this, sort of, I'm trying to give you.
[00:45:41]  Women, you can learn a lot from this.
[00:45:45]  Although, you know, I'm in no position to be talking about women right now, Tommy.
[00:45:48]  Okay, we're going to get.
[00:45:49]  Stant trial, June, and John.
[00:45:50]  I want to cut those remember.
[00:45:51]  But let's, let's hit.
[00:45:52]  We've hit Katy Perry.
[00:45:54]  I'm not going to go into details.
[00:45:56]  I just want to know Hollywood.
[00:45:58]  At which point do you realise there's a big, massive Hollywood?
[00:46:01]  You said when we were walking in here satanic, at which point do you realise this is dirty, this is filth?
[00:46:06]  And again, from an outside view in, you're with Katy Perry.
[00:46:10]  You're in Hollywood.
[00:46:11]  Elite.
[00:46:11]  You're in the films.
[00:46:12]  You think elite?
[00:46:13]  Sounds pretty elite.
[00:46:14]  I'm watching you thinking he is the elite.
[00:46:17]  You are elite.
[00:46:18]  Well, yeah, I was, I suppose, in that moment.
[00:46:20]  But I'm also...
[00:46:21]  A working class kid.
[00:46:22]  From Graves.
[00:46:23]  So, like, but while you're there.
[00:46:24]  So what it was like when I was there.
[00:46:25]  And do you have to pass initiation skin in Hollywood?
[00:46:27]  You hear all these things about rituals.
[00:46:28]  You hear all these things about people shaming themselves.
[00:46:30]  You see people.
[00:46:31]  You drink a little bit of blood and you dance around the pentagram.
[00:46:34]  Now, I never had to do like, I went to a divi party and nothing happened.
[00:46:37]  Let me tell you, I wanted to tell you this thing.
[00:46:39]  see how a minute ago we tagged the idea that i was 30 well the thing was remember see when you've been a smack in the crackhead for a little bit of a while you lost seven years when you if you i was i was 27 when i got clean and i was about 30 when i got famous But for that period of time that I was an active drug addict, you're living in a very, very different world.
[00:46:55]  You're living in a world where you're obviously going to crack houses.
[00:46:58]  You're in a world where, obviously, sometimes, because I didn't have any real money then, you're having to scrape together pennies and sort it out to score.
[00:47:05]  You're having to do unusual, weird shit to get drugs sometimes.
[00:47:08]  So what weird shit?
[00:47:10]  Well, I guess being around people.
[00:47:12]  I never like, you know, crossed the line when it came to.
[00:47:14]  I never had to, like, do no iron jobs, although I did do one in that documentary that you see that documentary series where I...
[00:47:22]  Mark Collette.
[00:47:23]  One of the other ones was I tossed off homeless fella.
[00:47:25]  No, hold on a minute.
[00:47:26]  mixing the streams i had a bath i had a bath with a homeless guy and i i think this was on the tv and i like i wanked off a geezer in a toilet What?
[00:47:37]  Yeah, tough times.
[00:47:38]  Tough times.
[00:47:39]  You want to fucking take it?
[00:47:40]  It was at the time that Jackass was out.
[00:47:42]  You know that show, Jackass?
[00:47:44]  You thought, I'll beat them.
[00:47:44]  I'll wank someone off in the toilet.
[00:47:46]  You think you're brave falling off a skateboard on a boiled egg?
[00:47:49]  I'll toss off this fella in the toilet.
[00:47:51]  Try that on Versage Drew in Oxford.
[00:47:52]  You wanked off to it.
[00:47:53]  Yeah, I did.
[00:47:54]  In a Soho toilet.
[00:47:55]  Yeah, in a Soho toilet.
[00:47:58]  Yeah, crazy days.
[00:47:59]  Who did you wank off in the toilet?
[00:48:00]  I can't remember his name, mate, to tell you the absolute truth.
[00:48:02]  But like, he was a lovely fella.
[00:48:04]  I met him in a, like, you see around Dean Street.
[00:48:06]  You can't work that if you're fucking up.
[00:48:07]  No, no, no.
[00:48:08]  Are you serious?
[00:48:08]  Yeah.
[00:48:08]  It was like in them gay bars around Dean Street.
[00:48:11]  It's on the television.
[00:48:13]  You wanking off a bloke something to?
[00:48:14]  I think the episode was called Wanky Wank.
[00:48:16]  Because you used to be pretty pro-LGBTQ?
[00:48:20]  You was back in Dan?
[00:48:21]  Yeah.
[00:48:22]  He was in that circle move.
[00:48:23]  This is what I mean, using that sort of side of the, what I'd say is the wrong side.
[00:48:27]  All right, hold on.
[00:48:28]  Let's get this straight.
[00:48:30]  Let's get this straight.
[00:48:30]  You wagged off a bloke in the toilet.
[00:48:32]  The video's out there.
[00:48:33]  I can't deny that.
[00:48:34]  You can't calf straight in the same sentence as I.
[00:48:36]  I was wanked off a man in the toilet.
[00:48:37]  That's fair enough.
[00:48:37]  But what I'm saying about myself and about maybe woke is a more general, the idea of being compassionate and kind and non-judgmental and loving to all is supremely important.
[00:48:49]  I know what it says in here about same-sex relationships, but it also says stuff about promiscuity in here.
[00:48:53]  So I don't have the problem of same-sex relationships, except for, as we've just discussed, I did wank off a man in the toilet for a television programme.
[00:49:00]  But the problem that I did have was I was very, very promiscuous.
[00:49:04]  What the fuck?
[00:49:06]  How hold on?
[00:49:06]  How old were you when you wanked off a man in the toilet?
[00:49:09]  25.
[00:49:10]  Oh, when you was a junkie?
[00:49:12]  Yeah, I was a junkie.
[00:49:14]  Oh, so you're doing anything?
[00:49:15]  Well, I wasn't doing that for drugs.
[00:49:17]  But you were doing it for the show.
[00:49:18]  You wouldn't have.
[00:49:19]  Did you do that?
[00:49:20]  Because it would blow up your name?
[00:49:22]  Yeah.
[00:49:23]  So that's what prostitutes yourself.
[00:49:24]  I suppose so.
[00:49:26]  But in the same...
[00:49:27]  Hold on a minute.
[00:49:28]  Do you want to hear...
[00:49:29]  What?
[00:49:30]  In the toilet or so on.
[00:49:31]  Fuck off.
[00:49:32]  Tommy, you've gotten a bit caught up on this.
[00:49:33]  I'm caught up in it.
[00:49:34]  I wasn't expecting it.
[00:49:35]  It came out of nowhere.
[00:49:37]  That's how it ended as well.
[00:49:40]  So listen, mate.
[00:49:41]  Right, I'll tell you every episode because you're interested in this show.
[00:49:43]  One, I had a fight with my dad, like because like a boxing match with my dad before Ricky Gervais had had that fight, and before celebrity boxing things, I wasn't even a celebrity.
[00:49:50]  I had a little show on MTV.
[00:49:52]  I didn't have a beard then.
[00:49:53]  This is when I was on MTV, but I was a smack and crackhead.
[00:49:55]  You would never have seen that.
[00:49:56]  I was doing it, I was going around people at the nightclubs, like Cream and Dream, and all them ibifa Pasha places, and people were all peeled up.
[00:50:03]  I'd interview them while they were like gurning and off their nut.
[00:50:06]  I was on Smack and Crack, and I'd just say really weird stuff to them, like and get honest.

=== Exploring the Awful (03:18) ===

[00:50:11]  Yeah, and they'd be filtered, but people would say really, really funny stuff.
[00:50:14]  See, I go like, I remember one that I really, really remember that was lovely and funny.
[00:50:18]  I go to this guy once, you know, that walking in the air, that song by the snowman, that snowman, Ali Jones.
[00:50:23]  He goes, Yeah, yeah, we're walking in the air.
[00:50:26]  It was like a famous song when we were kids, Christmas song.
[00:50:28]  Right?
[00:50:29]  And I go to the geezer, do you know that song?
[00:50:30]  He goes, Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:31]  I goes, What if you was walking in the air with a snowman while he was up there, tried to like have it off with you and that?
[00:50:36]  He goes, I'd fuck him off, wouldn't I?
[00:50:38]  Like, he answered it really seriously.
[00:50:39]  And that was like the whole basis of the show is people pulled up really getting into these chats with me.
[00:50:43]  Now, while I was doing that, this show called this channel called UK TV, which was a BBC little spin-off channel just when all the digital channels started.
[00:50:50]  Goes, you can have your own show.
[00:50:52]  What do you want to do?
[00:50:52]  And I go, I'll do these psychological stunts.
[00:50:55]  One of them is I'll hang out of a kid that's a Nazi.
[00:50:58]  That's Mark Colette.
[00:50:59]  Another one, I'll hang out of a homeless person, James.
[00:51:01]  Me and him were using Smack together, me and this kid James, right?
[00:51:05]  Lovely guy, dead now, Scottish geezer.
[00:51:07]  I'll go and live with a brass, and like at the end of living with her, I'll go, here you go, love, let's go.
[00:51:12]  And I lived with her.
[00:51:13]  They were all proper smackheads out in Norfolk.
[00:51:15]  That one never got screened because it was too intense and too heavy to watch this woman.
[00:51:18]  Like, all their teeth were falling out.
[00:51:20]  They were in a state that lot.
[00:51:21]  Did you bang her?
[00:51:22]  No, mate.
[00:51:22]  I couldn't.
[00:51:23]  I mean, you didn't bang her, but you wanked on the bloke in the toilet.
[00:51:26]  You have to roll with your punches, Tommy.
[00:51:28]  It was the railings.
[00:51:29]  It was the Nash's.
[00:51:30]  They were all over the gas.
[00:51:31]  No, also, no, that was because it was a tragic and painful situation.
[00:51:34]  They had their little kid, they were in a mess.
[00:51:36]  It was awful.
[00:51:36]  It was awful.
[00:51:37]  That was dark.
[00:51:38]  They couldn't show that thing even on the television.
[00:51:39]  Good though.
[00:51:39]  It was good.
[00:51:40]  Because it was an exploration.
[00:51:41]  I was trying to explore.
[00:51:43]  Do you think she was being exploited for the show?
[00:51:44]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:51:45]  He was being exploited.
[00:51:46]  In a way, but.
[00:51:46]  Well, you're being exploited if they were getting your wang man off.
[00:51:48]  Come on.
[00:51:49]  Well, in a way, Tommy, at that point, I know, let go of it.
[00:51:53]  You're tweeting it when I'm walking.
[00:51:54]  Don't, mate.
[00:51:56]  Don't worry.
[00:51:57]  It's a context.
[00:51:58]  Right into context.
[00:51:59]  The context is, is that I was doing TV shows that were about challenging different prejudices.
[00:52:04]  And my idea is a little lefty kid that was all into liberalism and, like you said, then LGBTQ stuff.
[00:52:11]  You sort of like represented the face of the movement, really.
[00:52:13]  I didn't realise that's what I was doing.
[00:52:15]  But let me two saying, this is where me and you get back on the same page.
[00:52:18]  Is when I like, and it's a little bit down the line, when I was making that show, what I was looking at is, why don't we, what is this?
[00:52:25]  I'm trying to explore stuff and understand it.
[00:52:27]  What are these feelings of rage that I feel towards my dad?
[00:52:30]  Instead of just having these feelings, why do you have rage towards me?
[00:52:32]  Because I think right of him and all the usual stuff.
[00:52:33]  You weren't living at home, you've had resentment.
[00:52:35]  Yeah.
[00:52:35]  Again, resentment.
[00:52:36]  So I thought, why don't we just have a fight?
[00:52:37]  We'll fight each other.
[00:52:38]  And that was an intense episode.
[00:52:40]  And then I won.
[00:52:41]  Did he get you back?
[00:52:42]  Did he go for it or did he let you in?
[00:52:43]  Bless him.
[00:52:43]  He was quite sweet, actually.
[00:52:45]  It was Ronnie Brand.
[00:52:46]  And then like, and then another one, yeah, the tossing off a fella in the toilet.
[00:52:50]  That was actually the hardest one.
[00:52:52]  It was not enjoyable.
[00:52:54]  It was not enjoyable.
[00:52:54]  I've got to tell you that.
[00:52:56]  How much got paid for that episode?
[00:52:58]  They weren't paying me for individual episodes.
[00:53:00]  I think the budget for the whole show might have been a quarter of a million quid.
[00:53:03]  I don't know what I walked away with, mate, because you had the production and everything like that.
[00:53:07]  20 years ago.
[00:53:08]  Older and I'm still using.
[00:53:09]  So it's probably about 25 years ago.
[00:53:11]  Yeah, 25 years ago.
[00:53:12]  But what it was is, remember, I'm like a little punk artist kid.
[00:53:15]  I'm trying to do weird, interesting stuff, hanging out with prostitutes, like, tossing off a geezer in the toilet, hanging out, went up to Leeds with Mark Collette and all them going, what was you, like...
[00:53:25]  Mark Collette, if you don't know Mark Collette, he's a little mong, pisses me off.
[00:53:29]  I'll tell you what he is.

=== White Nationalism and Direct Democracy (06:28) ===

[00:53:30]  He's educated, middle class, university graduated, and he draws working class kids in to manipulate them into a Nazi ideology.
[00:53:38]  They end up ruining their life.
[00:53:40]  He stays there quite articulate, clever, sitting back whilst he fucks all of them.
[00:53:44]  That's what that's my description of Mark Collette.
[00:53:46]  He was in the BMP.
[00:53:48]  He then become a prominent, he never goes to prison.
[00:53:51]  All the groups he runs or works with end up prescribed terrorist organisations, but he always sits there smiling.
[00:53:56]  There's the other dickheads who get involved.
[00:53:58]  So are you saying about Mark Collette then?
[00:54:00]  Because you see me as an outsider of it, the difference between like Tommy Robinson and Mark Collette, what's the difference?
[00:54:07]  White nationalism, all that kind of stuff.
[00:54:09]  What's the difference?
[00:54:10]  What's Mark Collette believe in that you don't believe in?
[00:54:13]  He believes in white supremacy.
[00:54:15]  Right.
[00:54:16]  So that's like all races are inferior.
[00:54:18]  To him.
[00:54:19]  To white race.
[00:54:20]  And you don't believe that.
[00:54:21]  I'm from Luton town, so I've never explained.
[00:54:23]  Black people seek them.
[00:54:25]  It's just.
[00:54:27]  I don't give monkeys, but I believe that as a nation, we're losing our identity and our culture due to us becoming a minority in many towns and cities.
[00:54:34]  So as England needs to remain and Britain needs to remain a majority white nation, because if Nigeria become if Nigeria needs to remain a majority black nation.
[00:54:43]  If they start becoming a minority in their own country, it's wrong.
[00:54:45]  And if the Japanese start becoming a minority in their own country, it's wrong.
[00:54:47]  So that demographical change and replacement, every way you want to look at it, 33% of London's white English now.
[00:54:54]  That's not right for the capital city of our country.
[00:54:56]  And along with that comes the problems that we're all witnessing.
[00:54:58]  But hold on, Nick.
[00:54:59]  If you're not a white supremacist, why are we drawing the distinction of white English and black English?
[00:55:05]  Who cares?
[00:55:06]  Like, white English, black English?
[00:55:08]  Exactly the point I just made.
[00:55:09]  So if I moved to Nigeria and white people started moving to Nigeria, would it be acceptable that they become a minority in their own country?
[00:55:15]  Historically, this is a thousand years of history of white Christian nation.
[00:55:19]  That doesn't mean that I don't believe So I've got most of my mates who are black who are growing up in Luton, they're English.
[00:55:24]  They cast themselves as English.
[00:55:26]  Ethnically, they're not English.
[00:55:27]  Culturally, they are.
[00:55:29]  They're brought up as English.
[00:55:30]  So I'd say my mates are English.
[00:55:32]  I'll stand with them.
[00:55:33]  But don't you think it gets where this gets comico for me, right, is say like Nigeria there, they're not going to have, you know, no one's going to move to Nigeria because there ain't no bleeding reason to move to Nigeria for cultural, political, and it's only the white nations that are being flooded with mass immigration.
[00:55:46]  Only the white nations are supposed to tolerate it except for it.
[00:55:49]  It's interesting.
[00:55:50]  But Nigeria took some pretty hard hits in colonialism and loads of other ways that Nigeria got all striped up.
[00:55:56]  What I'm interested in is what the future of the nation is in general.
[00:56:02]  What I believe, Tommy, is I'm very, very sick and tired of ordinary people being lied to by people that are exploiting them.
[00:56:09]  I'm tired of that.
[00:56:11]  And I'm starting to wonder if even the concept of one nation with a centralized government is ever going to work again.
[00:56:18]  I don't think it can, is the answer.
[00:56:20]  I think as long as you're able to replace the Labour Party with a reform Tory conglomerate, it's going to be basically the same for the majority of people.
[00:56:29]  You might see a little bit of change in the direction of whatever.
[00:56:32]  What do you replace it with?
[00:56:34]  Decentralised, direct participatory democracy.
[00:56:38]  Direct democracy, which is so the five-star, did you look at the five-star movement and then?
[00:56:41]  Literally, yeah, Bepe Grillo.
[00:56:42]  Yeah, they fucked it.
[00:56:43]  So direct.
[00:56:45]  They're Italians, Tommy.
[00:56:46]  They wouldn't have been our focus.
[00:56:47]  They're all mamma mia negging as pastors, and they out in the vespers.
[00:56:50]  Hey, mamma mia, chica tabareta.
[00:56:52]  You can't rely on them.
[00:56:54]  Don't judge the English from the qualities of the Irish.
[00:56:56]  Historically, we always spoke about direct democracy, or political figures did, until we had the technology to do it.
[00:57:01]  And then they've stopped talking about it.
[00:57:02]  Yeah, man.
[00:57:03]  So you could do direct democracy.
[00:57:04]  If you had direct democracy, they could ask you right now as a British public, which technology could let us have it.
[00:57:09]  And we could all say, do you want mass immigration?
[00:57:12]  And then it's to you, the people.
[00:57:13]  We don't need 650 lying politicians who don't represent you anyway.
[00:57:16]  They're the Labour Party now about all the things they're bringing in and we're not in their manifesto.
[00:57:19]  They can ask you, do you want to fund the war in Ukraine?
[00:57:21]  No.
[00:57:22]  Do you want to take the vaccine?
[00:57:23]  No.
[00:57:24]  Mass immigration?
[00:57:25]  No.
[00:57:26]  And then you can have your voice.
[00:57:28]  And then it's direct democracy.
[00:57:29]  So I agree.
[00:57:30]  I agree, but there's going to come a point in this country now where...
[00:57:33]  UK, you mean, yeah?
[00:57:34]  In the UK, where in another 10 or 15 years, if we had direct democracy, we'll all end up living under Sharia.
[00:57:39]  Because they'll vote, they'll vote, they'll use democracy to end democracy.
[00:57:42]  So we've got a time period here.
[00:57:43]  I just wrote in my most recent book saying that, yeah, we need direct democracy and we need it now.
[00:57:48]  And I agree with you.
[00:57:48]  And if the demographic continues, we lose our cultural identity, which again cannot be allowed to happen in England.
[00:57:55]  It can't.
[00:57:55]  It's a Christian nation.
[00:57:56]  It cannot be allowed to happen.
[00:57:57]  So whatever we have to do to prevent that, and I don't see us preventing it without chaos.
[00:58:02]  Anyone that's come to our country is a guest of our country.
[00:58:04]  My mother comes to our country as a guest of our country.
[00:58:06]  Irish.
[00:58:06]  Yeah, my mother came.
[00:58:08]  But all my mates, but they love the country.
[00:58:10]  They've embraced it.
[00:58:11]  How do you reconcile?
[00:58:12]  Just a quick question, because we've got a few windows open, things that we've got to cover.
[00:58:15]  We've still got to cover satanic Hollywood.
[00:58:17]  Direct democracy direct democracy, satanic Hollywood, we've got a cover.
[00:58:23]  And there's a few other things.
[00:58:24]  But how do you reconcile, for example, say, I'm making a lot of assumptions here, but like if your mum's Irish, I wonder what her idea, her attitude, and is she a Catholic lady?
[00:58:33]  My mum's Catholic.
[00:58:34]  So, what's her feeling about British imperialism?
[00:58:37]  My mum's brought me up.
[00:58:38]  My mum's brought me up to love Britain.
[00:58:40]  Say, my cousin Kev, his dad sat him down with the Irish flag and the English flag.
[00:58:43]  This is my flag.
[00:58:44]  You're from this nation.
[00:58:46]  This is your flag.
[00:58:47]  You're bought up here.
[00:58:47]  You're grown up here.
[00:58:48]  You're educated here.
[00:58:49]  This is your country.
[00:58:50]  So that was Kev.
[00:58:51]  So my mum's one of eight children.
[00:58:54]  All of the sons, some of her brothers were born in England.
[00:58:58]  They're all patriotic English.
[00:59:00]  Amazing.
[00:59:01]  And I always say, but I said when the Polish come to Lutland, I remember saying, they're just going to be the new Irish.
[00:59:06]  So when they have kids and kids, and they're of kids, they're going to be proud of their Polish heritage.
[00:59:11]  But they're going to support the country.
[00:59:12]  Now, yeah, they're going to love England.
[00:59:14]  They're going to be born in the country.
[00:59:15]  They're going to adapt to it.
[00:59:15]  They're going to culturally be the same as it.
[00:59:17]  So those sort of successful.
[00:59:20]  And where the Irish aren't wanting to blow shit up, still going on about historic grievances with Britain.
[00:59:25]  Well, they were with the IRA, but the Irish in England, the Irish that are bought there, the Irish that love the country.
[00:59:29]  They've integrated and assimilated.
[00:59:30]  They're not still.
[00:59:31]  Well, they'd have Irish pubs or whatever.
[00:59:33]  Yeah, that's where we all go.
[00:59:36]  So hold on, hold on.
[00:59:38]  So we're allowed to, like, there's, because I'm actually, these are not questions where I'm trying to trip you up.
[00:59:41]  I'm actually trying to work out a way to move forward, right?
[00:59:44]  See, like, Irish, it's good that there's some Irish culture in Britain, and that Irish culture comes from Irish people successfully assimilating.
[00:59:51]  I do think that we're being fucked up by migration.
[00:59:54]  I do think that.
[00:59:55]  I do think they're trying to destabilise domestic populations.
[00:59:57]  I don't think you're wrong about that.