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Britain is weighing a potential social media ban for under-16s, with Keir Starmer signalling tougher age limits and platform controls while facing accusations of inconsistency over voting rights and warnings that enforcement would require digital ID infrastructure. The debate opens wider questions about privacy, surveillance, and how far the state should reach into online life. Across the Atlantic, a cultural row in New York over comments describing dogs as “unclean” spirals into a broader clash over religion, identity, public space, and political double standards, turning what began as a tweet into a combustible debate about norms, tolerance, and urban reality.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
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Social media ban in the UK.
How are they dressing it up as helping people?
Well, by saying they're protecting youngsters, of course.
Marco Rubio, we've got a story to discuss with his growing popularity after his performance at the Munich Security Conference earlier in the week.
We'll be talking about big food and real food.
In fact, here I am, just earlier today, apologising to Mike Tyson.
Have a look at this.
Thanks so much.
Do you want to say something to Mike Tyson?
He's coming on next.
Yes, I'm glad he's coming on because I've been wanting to challenge Mike to a fight.
Oh, no, he's bringing it.
Hello, Mike.
How amazing to be.
I love you, brother.
I love you.
I love you.
Praise the Lord.
I hope that you are free and in recovery.
I pray for you regularly.
I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to you, Mike, for that time when I asked you a stupid question.
You probably don't even remember it.
You lived a big and busy life.
But I want to reiterate my respect and admiration for you as a champion and as a man in recovery and now as an advocate for these beautiful values.
And as I promised, I would tell Dr. Oz, your hair looks fantastic.
And I'm going to have to mean body hair by that because you're a shaved man.
But I also am confident that your body hair looks fantastic.
And I'll leave it there, Mike, because I don't want to, you know, re-cause the trauma.
Dollar, brother.
Dollar, brother.
Praise the Lord.
Cheers, Mike.
Thank you, brother.
God bless you.
It's good.
It's nice to know that any potential bad blood between me and all former heavyweight champions has been assuaged.
Votes at 1600:15:12
Let's get into the first story.
If you're British, and I am, so's Joe.
Massey, you're British, are you?
Yeah, English.
I can't even tell.
You're all over the place.
Dave and Jake, Americans, but nevertheless, you know, well.
Yeah, we're English.
Well, yeah, everyone's English.
We've got to find out.
Let's get that.
They're English.
Let's see what's going on in the UK with their social media ban.
Let's have a look firstly at what Keir Starmer, God Love Him, has announced.
Starmer has announced a consultation into setting a minimum age for social media.
Before that consultation takes place, however, ministers will write a clause into the existing children's well-being and schools bill that will enable them to enforce a ban quickly if that's what the consultation recommends.
These so-called Henry VIII powers allow the government to use secondary legislation to enforce an age limit rather than writing entirely new bill.
Now, I suppose what's interesting is they're lowering the age for voting.
They've always advocated for lower ages for consent, those weirdos.
At the same time, trying to restrict social media usage.
Let's have a look at this commentary on whether or not the UK should indeed wade into the waters already occupied by Australia and Spain, who have already imposed forms of social media control.
A social media ban for children under 16 has come into effect in Australia, representing a world first.
The move has been welcomed by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, but he has already warned it won't be easy to enforce.
The ban has already received mixed reactions across Australia, but it raises a wider question.
Should the UK enjoy I walked over that bridge once.
It's like a tourist experience you can do.
They sort of strap you on it.
You have to wear like a boiler suit, a jumpsuit.
Americans don't.
What do you call an all-in-one suit such as a plumber would wear?
You don't have a word for that.
A onesie.
Overalls.
They won't say overalls, Massey, though.
Overalls, yeah?
I think so, overalls.
Overalls, like Mario Brothers wear.
Yeah.
Overalls, that's what they say.
They say overalls.
Well, I wore overalls or a boiler suit in my language.
And I walked right over that bridge.
So I went right over that bridge.
And it was a strange experience.
It started off being terrifying.
Like, that was the first bit.
It was like, oh my god, this is so terrifying being up on this high steel bridge over Sydney Harbour.
And then after about 15 minutes, it was actually boring.
And it was the same experience.
It's interesting how quickly you adjust.
That's why I mustn't take drugs.
Because what starts off as terrifying quickly becomes boring.
Try Methyl.
Did you want to jump at any point?
Yeah, throughout.
I mean, that was to brighten it up.
Most of the time, this would liven the experience up.
A little jump into the abyss would cheer me right up.
All right, so look, we've all got children, and you just got to control yourself.
Do you want the government restricting your children's access to social media?
How are you going to do it then?
Yeah, we can do that.
We can do that.
Do it ourselves.
Parents, yeah.
Parents don't need a government.
So you think that that's not the real reason that they're doing it.
It's just like anything that they try to...
This is for your safety.
This is for your safety.
We care for you.
We love you.
Let's just come to the island and relax.
Here's Keir Starmer and Sadiq Khan.
Oh, wow, they've teamed up together at last.
Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London, and Keir Starmer teamed up to go, well, to a school.
Now, if I was a politician in the United Kingdom, the last place I'd be campaigning is a school.
I'm surprised them kids didn't flee for the fences immediately on sighting them.
Oh my god, there's a politician.
Protect your bums.
I was really glad to welcome the Prime Minister to Putney today to talk about immediate action to make the online world safer for children.
I've been campaigning on this.
I know that local parents, parents across the country want this action and the government is listening and putting in place new powers to keep children safe.
Ensure that no social media platform gets a free pass.
We selected this music to keep things bright and breezy while telling you that controlling you is for you.
We selected this like music so that you won't suspect that what you're watching is propaganda.
Listen to the nice head mistress.
I'm not saying she's not a nice head mistress.
I'm saying she's being exploited by that social media artefact.
That's designed to legitimise control.
And a new crackdown on AI chatbots.
I was here at St Mary's in Putney with the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, with the Secretary of State for Science and Technology, Liz Kendall, and with the Minister for Schools, Georgia Gould, all coming together to show how we can work across government to take the action needed.
I'm a parent, in fact, my daughter came along with me today.
And I know that the Prime Minister is a parent as well.
And we know that parents cannot keep ahead and be the people who are expected to police the system online.
It's got to be the social media companies that now are forced to take the action.
Forced!
Forced to do it!
It's lovely because it's soft propaganda and as usual, the lubrication for this particular piece of legislative sodomy is your protection.
It will be always your protection rather than their erection.
But I've been around politicians and power long enough now to know that whatever it is they're saying, what the aim will be is control.
Does this legislation advance their ability to control you?
Once the answer is yes, that was the objective.
Elsewhere, Starma is talking about allowing kids to vote at 16.
Let's check out the evident hypocrisy in this pair of measures.
George, I'm 17.
I wanted to ask about the representation of the people bill, which is being put before Parliament and how giving 16 and 17 year olds the vote risks being incompatible with a social media ban under 16 because the majority of young people get their news from social media, from their TikTok feed.
So I wanted to ask, you know, what provisions will the government put in place for citizenship education in schools, for example?
Well, a lot bound up in that.
Firstly, I'm a big advocate of votes at 16 and 17.
At 16 and 17, you are old enough and mature enough to make a decision about a government that ought to be and will be a government for you.
So it's really important that we have those votes.
We do need that we have those votes.
The assumption is that those he accidentally said the quiet part out loud.
The assumption is that 16 and 17 year olds will vote specifically for Labour, that their policies are oriented in that direction, that they recognise that they've lost popular support among so many demographics.
Only children would consider voting for them.
And they wouldn't consider it if they knew what a lot of these politicians' hobbies were.
We do need to make sure the citizenship is part of what we look at.
We've broadened the curriculum in schools because I think children and young people ought to learn about citizenship and how we operate as a society more generally.
It's very important skills that they need for life.
I'm acutely aware of your point about news because in politics there's always been a heavy sort of focus on newspapers but frankly I don't think many people have young people certainly ever read newspapers anymore or even sit down as a family and watch the six or ten o'clock news.
It's much more likely to be through social media and really goes with the point this gentleman made.
We must make sure that we're not cutting off sensible and good access for young people.
What an extraordinary and sort of sweet man Keir Starmer is in a number of ways with his sort of clumsy blundering through the talking points he was briefed on prior to that conversation and he's recognized that people aren't reading newspapers anymore.
Under 16 social media ban would almost certainly require compulsory digital ID.
So the first attempt at getting digital ID normalized and passed, it was going to be mandatory, has failed.
So I guess you know how these things are engineered.
For what reason would people submit to greater authority and control?
Well if their children were under threat.
I suppose if their children were under threat.
They reverse engineer scenarios that legitimise control that they would like to take anyway.
Let's have a look at a reliable authority, the authority of a loving God.
This is from 1 John 5 to 19.
We know that we are children of God and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him who is true.
And we are in him who is true by being in his son Jesus Christ.
He is the true God and eternal life.
Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.
Well, there's a lot bound up in that to quote Keir Starmer, but it talks very clearly that first epistle of John does about authority.
Authority on earth from a scriptural and Christian perspective is said to be yielded to the devil, to evil.
And one of the things that surprised me most when coming to Christ is that my long learned and hard-earned understanding that the institutions of power, be they governmental or media or even smaller institutions, that these institutions were broadly speaking generally captured and corrupted, was underwritten by scripture.
That the Bible tells you clearly that we live in a fallen world, that there is such a thing as evil.
In our sort of rational time, to talk about the devil and evil and to talk about angels and goodness and even pure and essential ideas decoupled from this splendid and sometimes arcane seeming imagery is unpopular.
Look at the results of that.
You live in a bureaucratic and managerial world where a bureaucratic and managerial and I'm sure by God's grace a very sweet man like Keir Starmer wrestles with complex ideological notions using managerial and crass language with no certainty that there is such a thing as good or evil.
All there really is if there is no good or evil is expedience and power.
You need Christ.
You need to come to Christ personally.
You need to have an encounter with...
The real miracle of coming to Jesus is the understanding that within you is an access point to great, great power, to whole and total power.
One of the challenges that comes after that that I'm learning about is how to surrender yourself to that power and recognize that that power cannot be located on or directed towards false idols like that quote ends on in fact.
It ends with the warning that you must keep yourself from idols.
Idols being in our culture so evidently and obviously the idols that come at you through the culture that always leads you back to self and self-centeredness.
I'm very interested in where this sort of social media ban will go.
We know that ultimately what it will be used to do is control information under the auspices of protecting children.
But if you look at the way that the pandemic period was handled, we're all regarded as children by the state, vulnerable and capable of discerning truth from fiction ourselves, requiring of their constant guidance.
And that's precisely indeed how the Bible talks to us as well.
It recognizes our brokenness.
It recognizes throughout the Old Testament that the endeavors of prophets fail.
Kings are fallible.
And in the end, there is the requirement for God and man to align again, for a new covenant to be achieved, for our endless sin to be taken upon him, for a new frequency to be established.
This psychedelic aspect of Christ, what I mean by psychedelic, is something that's superior to, holy, set apart, divine, able to overwhelm this sort of static sense of self that I lived with, this cluster of memories and projections and fears and mount into a malleable self.
Look at them go through the world.
Note the bullshit.
Look at the vanity and deception of even that silly twinkling video.
Ding ding ding as they try to find ways to make sense of endless deception.
We're gonna over here we're gonna let kids vote.
Over here we're gonna control kids' access to social media.
This is why it all makes sense.
The game is up.
It's over.
And here's the answer.
As an individual, embrace Christ.
It's going to be strange for you and really hard for you.
And maybe like me, you'll require crisis.
Beyond that, believe in the power of democracy.
One person, one vote.
Use this technology that they're continually trying to implement to advance control to advance technology and democracy.
Technology and democracy are not opposed to one another.
They can align and work together.
As this idea becomes more popular, which it will over the next few years, you'll see it becoming more popular.
People will start talking about it.
People will put aside their old left-v-right biases and start saying, Yeah, actually, you're right.
If we had decentralized control of our own community, that would solve the problem.
People will talk about it more and more.
You will hear it.
What they'll say is it's not safe, that the machines will get hacked.
Of course, when they're in control of surveillance technology and digital ID, there's no problem with them getting hacked.
The fact that cash machines and ATMs all over the world aren't ever hacked.
No one ever hacks an ATM, do they?
And empties it off all of its money.
Suddenly, there will be new concerns about technology.
You watch.
The minute we start saying we're going to turn these devices against you, instead of giving you all our data so you can market to us and control us, we're going to use these devices to run our towns, our communities, our hospitals, our schools, our lives and our roads.
It's just logistics and operations.
That's all it is.
That's all you need a government for.
Logistics and operations.
Minimize their power.
You've already seen what happens when they maximize it.
You have already seen what happens when you let them behave as gods.
They are not gods.
They are fallen and broken.
They're no better or worse than you or I. Sometimes I think they're a bit worse with all the Epstein Island stuff and all that kind of thing.
But hey, none of us are perfect.
The point is this: don't worship false idols, children, like any political figure or cultural figure.
Trust the God within you.
But that's just what I think.
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Have a look at this.
It was very funny.
Remember I was a drug addict for a long time.
Who are you nodding?
You was too, were you?
You look like you're on drugs right now, family sister, sir!
But Randy Sod, Henry VIII, couldn't get enough of it.
Couldn't get enough of it.
Listen.
Is your last pipe kicking in?
I'm about to say something that I consider to be quite funny.
Now, if I do, it also, it's always a risk that it's hurtful.
You never know.
I don't think so, though.
I think it's funny.
And I think we've established rapport you anyway.
Now, before I say it, are you willing to sort of stand up and rotate after I've said it?
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If Einstein ran a meth lab, let's see what it says in here.
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Dogs!
Everyone loves them.
Muslims!
Everyone loves them as well because we've all got to love one another.
But what happens when it's dogs versus Muslims?
There can be only one winner.
Let's have a look at this.
Apparently there's a lot of conflict going on because of a dog versus Muslim war.
Let's check it out.
Firstly, NYC is coming to Islam.
Dogs definitely have a place in society, just not as indoor pets.
Like we've said all along, they are unclean, says Nadine Kiswani.
Okay, so there's a pro-Palestinian NYC activist saying she don't like dogs.
Now me, I love dogs.
You won't get it.
You'll get nothing but unbiased decisions and insights from me.
If they force us to choose between dogs and Muslims, it's not a difficult choice.
Oh my word.
Look at the world we are living in.
It's dogs v Muslims.
There can be only one true winner.
Allah Akbar!
Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, this is generally one of the most disgusting statements I've ever seen issued by an American official.
It should not stop shocking us.
The Republican Party openly embraces this.
Fine should be censured and stripped of committees to ignore this, to accept it, and normalize it.
Just have democracies, then it'll be solved.
I believe you should, if people want to run their community according to the Quran and Islam, they should be able to democratically.
If people want to have mass deportations, they should be able to democratically.
If people want to have communities of no dogs, they should be able to democratically.
I'd say have a dog town.
I'd love to live there, dog town.
And in dog town, it's them that picks my shit up.
Dog town!
Okay, let's have a look at Piers Morgan's Get Stuck In or is it still a still?
Here's Piers Morgan.
He posted on it.
There are a lot of white English people I would happily trade for a good weekly chicken ticker masala.
Well, go to Epstein Island.
They're eating people there anyway.
I think you can probably get that.
You could probably get a little boy chopped up and made into a cormorant.
Massey, what are you saying, baby?
So that's a really old tweet there of Piers.
But if you go back to the AOC one, you see Piers Morgan reacting to the first tweet by the congressman.
And then I pulled that one up to show that he says stuff like this himself all the time.
Ah, there, here he is.
Right.
So dear Piers Morgan.
Yeah, well, one of the charges leveled at Piers Morgan is that he rides the coattails of trends.
I've heard Candace Owens, for example, say that with his significant pivot on the COVID issue.
But this is, hey, I guess people do have the right to change their minds.
Here's Sneeko, a Muslim streamer who lives in Miami, demands that Americans keep their dogs at home because they are gross.
Let's see what Sneeko's saying about those hounds.
Fuck your dog.
Fuck your dog.
Keep your dog home.
I don't care.
It's not cute.
It's not, it's, I don't want to pet it.
I don't want to touch your dog.
Dogs are haram for a reason, and this was a sign from Allah.
There's shit all over my fucking rug.
Dogs are gross.
Have a child.
God wants us to have kids, not to have a bunch of fucking dogs.
Everybody in Miami pushing around a little Frenchie, putting a dog in a stroller.
Have a kid.
You're weird.
Fuck dogs.
Fuck dogs.
Man, people cannot actually even come to a peaceable agreement on pets anymore.
We can't live in this communication model for much longer, can we?
This is the, we're on the edge when people are willing to go to the mat over a pug in a buggy.
Let's have a look at, okay, the streets of New York are filled with dog stools.
Let's have a look.
No, that's not very nice.
Oh, Mamdani.
Mamdani.
This shopwalk is filled with shit.
Mike, this is ridiculous.
I'll sit on a step in there.
But yeah.
I ain't never seen no shit like that.
Pun intended.
I ain't never seen no shit like that.
Oh, well, there we go.
The cultural war has drawn yet another boundary upon which to squabble and quarrel and fight.
I think we need to radically decentralize pretty, pretty quickly.
I don't think cities work anymore.
I don't think mass communication works anymore.
I don't think a model where two teams vie for supremacy with the other team being submitted for a term, you know, in your crazy country and my crazy country is viable anymore.
If we can't come to some peaceable agreement on pets and sanitation, it shows you how hopeless the model is.
These are the end times, and in a way, that's good news.
And I welcome AI and constant synthetic reality because, as you've said before, Jake, perhaps that will encourage people to return to in real life physical contact, handshakes, and communities that we run together.
You know, you know that on one hand, you want to be able to get on with Muslim folk, you want to be able to get on with dog owners.
If that's going to start becoming separate camps, you know, my God, when it was like Israel-Palestine, it's like, well, these are ancient and difficult theological and geographical conflicts that are going to be playing out in the new world, in the new technological world.
But dogs, oh, God help us all.
Personally, I'm on the side of dogs.
I prefer to people.
I mean, and I mean that all people in general.
In fact, that's just my dog.
It's not all dogs.
You're part of the problem.
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Right?
I'm part of the problem.
I'm sick of it.
I'm part.
Fuck you.
Where's my fire?
I'll kill you.
I'll shoot you dead.
Yeah, listen.
We need to change our attitudes to one another.
Okay, let's have a look.
What was the next one?
We don't need to worry about Marco Rubio, do we, right now?
Surely there can't be more Epstein file releases.
How about, well, Dave, it seems to me that you should contribute to this show and life in general.
What have you got, darling?
I've had my clip for a while.
Yes, lemons is what it says.
We've got a couple in there for you.
Introduce it, Dave.
Have you even seen it?
Yeah.
What is it, darling?
It's a guy that talks about lemons and he talks about taking over the worlds with a lemon empire.
Well, fair enough.
Let's have a look at Dave's clip, taking over the world with Lemon Empire, because, you know, at least it's not people scrolling about dogs.
Dog poo.
Here we go.
Life hands you lemons.
Make lemonade?
No.
First, you roll out a multimedia campaign to convince people lemons are incredibly scarce, which only works if you stockpile lemons, control the supply, then a media blitz.
Lemons are the only way to say I love you.
A must-have accessory for engagements or anniversaries.
Roses are out, lemons are in.
Billboards that say she won't have sex with you unless you've got lemons.
You cut the beers in on it.
Limited edition lemon bracelets, yellow diamonds called lemon drops.
You get Apple to call their new operating system OS Lemon, little accent over the oat.
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Well, you charge 40% more for organic lemons, 50% more for conflict-free lemons.
You pack the capital with lemon lobbyists, you get a Kardashian to suck a lemon wedge in a leaked sex tape.
Timothy Chalabay wears lemon shoes at Can get a hashtag campaign.
Something isn't cool or tight or awesome.
No, it's lemon.
Did you see that movie?
Did you go to that concert?
It was F lemon.
Billy Heilish, O MG Hashtag Lemon.
You get Dr. Oz to recommend four lemons a day and a lemon suppository supplement to get rid of toxins because there is nothing scarier than toxins.
Then you patent the seeds.
You write a line of genetic code that makes lemons look just a little more like tits.
And you get a gene patent for the titlemon DNA sequence.
You cross-pollinate.
You get those seeds circulating in the wild.
And then you sue the farmers for copyright infringement when that genetic code shows up on their land.
Sit back, rake in the millions, and then when you're done and you've sold your lempire for a few billion dollars, then and only then you make some fucking lemonade.
There they go That's a way to organize a campaign with the old lemons.
Now, what about the I want to talk about this image of Bail being burned in Iran?
Check it out.
Yeah, the world's clapping.
It's pretty interesting, isn't it?
Like, kind of could be good from a spiritual perspective, not to feel freighted and weighed down by the past, but with history kind of living and all of these sigils and signs and endless AI.
It's interesting.
We're right in the midst of an absolute cyclone.
And Joe McCann, there happily beneath his own rosary, was about to tell us that Satan will masquerade as an angel.
Why?
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I mean, yeah, I wouldn't dispute it.
Why, Joe, why are you saying this?
I believe it says in somewhere in Revelations, didn't it?
That Satan will masquerade as an angel.
That's my understanding of it.
Anyway, I should have pulled this up really.
I'd have been more prepared.
Oh, right.
Yeah, I didn't tell you that we were going to do this all of a sudden.
I forget that not everyone's inside of my mind all of the time.
Well, this is why we've chosen it, because I guess we have this asset that illustrates it.
Let's check that out and then we'll talk about it.
All these little breadcrumbs that they're dropping, these Epstein files that so many of you are just gobbling up, not only are they a distraction from whatever else is going on, but they are being done strategically.
They are being dropped intentionally to get the world sick and tired, to get the world fed up, to get the world disgusted at this satanic system.
So that when the AC arrives and exposes it all and tears it all down, he will be seen as a Christian.
He will be seen as doing the Lord's work because he's tearing down a satanic system that everybody is sick of.
And see, what the enemy is doing is he is propping up people on the world stage to do that exact thing, but on a much smaller scale.
And when they do, they are instantly seen as a Christian.
They are instantly seen as somebody who is saved.
They are instantly seen as somebody who follows Jesus because they are now on our side.
They are talking about the evil.
How can they not be saved?
How can they not be a Christian?
How can they serve Satan when they are talking about the very system?
See, I think the church has just forgotten that the word of God warns us that Satan masquerades as an angel of light, that his followers masquerade as servants of righteousness.
And see, that paves the way for the Antichrist because when he steps out onto the scene, he's going to expose and tear down the satanic system and the world is going to applaud him because he's a Christian.
He's tearing down evil.
I address this on my ex account and half the comment section now thinks she's Christian.
Half the comment section thinks that she's saved, that she's on our side now because she's addressing the evil.
Satan is crafty, y'all.
He is clever and he masquerades as an angel of light.
Lucifer is the angel of false light.
And if you, I think sometimes that we are continually spellbound in the dark black mirror of endless narcissistic technology.
Man, I want to attack this addiction head on.
It's time for crack on with Russell, Dave, and Joe.
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Did you bring us a reading today, mate?
Yeah, this is from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, page 25.
That's very early in the book.
So like, why, firstly, so that I know how to listen to it and why I'm listening to it.
Like, I know that page 25, early in AA, like, I mean, obviously early in the book, it's a formative page.
You still talk about alcohol and dependence on alcohol.
What was it about this?
No, really.
No, I don't think so.
So the reason why I say that is, right?
So this book, the first 164 pages, is where the program of recovery comes from.
The program is summarized in the 12 steps, okay?
Four chapters, if you include the doctor's opinion, four chapters are dedicated to step one.
So that's like a third of the program.
So not only is it saying you are powerless over alcohol and your life's become unmanageable, within these four chapters, it's showing you there is no other way for you to recover other than a spiritual solution.
So really, really, if you break it down, it's kind of saying step one and two come together.
Like you can't do this on your own power.
Now that you've read through these four chapters, you realize how hopeless this condition is.
You need a spiritual solution.
You're now ready to take step three.
And this is like pretty early on in there is a solution.
And it goes from this reading into telling you about Roland Hazard, who spent a lot of time under the care of Carl Jung.
Obviously, he was a hopeless alcoholic, but he got sober for a year under the care of Carl Jung, right?
And there's even a reading there.
It says like the thought of relapse was unthinkable.
He understood the inner workings of his mind and all its secret trapdoors and all that, right?
He couldn't imagine drinking again.
Nevertheless, he leaves and within a short time he's drunk and he's been sectioned back in a mental home and he can't understand why.
So he goes back to see Carl Jung and he tells him straight, I've never seen anyone recover from this state of mind and body.
You're hopeless.
You're a chronic alcoholic.
And he says to him, the necessity of a spiritual awakening is the only way you can recover.
And he says to him, well, how?
You must know someone this has happened to.
He says, nah, I haven't.
They're a rare phenomenon.
I've heard of it happening here and there throughout history.
They're coming to great spiritual experience that rearranges old thoughts and ideas, old beliefs.
And these people live new lives on a spiritual basis.
And subsequently, that happens for Roland Hazard.
He finds the Oxford group as a result of joining the Oxford group.
I think they're looking for people to help, right?
So they're actively out on the front foot trying to find drunks.
And they're going to courtrooms and places like that.
On one of these court hearings, I think it's Ebby Thatcher, who's a friend of Bill Wilson.
He's about to get sentenced for something, right?
I don't know the exact details of that.
We'll have to pull it up.
But Roland Hazard steps in, says, don't send him to jail.
We can help him.
We'll help him.
Send him to us.
He goes off with them, gets sober.
Then he finds Bill Wilson.
Tells Bill Wilson that he's found God and all the rest of it.
Explains a little bit to him about the program recovery.
And then Bill Wilson gets sober.
And that's pretty much the beginning of Alcoholics Anonymous from there.
All right, so that bit of pre-history is to illustrate that there is a fundamental connection between addiction or in this case, explicitly and definitively, alcohol, dependency and spirituality.
That those two things are inextricable, inseparable, that you can't talk about addiction separate from spirit.
I suppose in a way that's kind of obvious because it's your inner state that you're trying to, anyone who drinks, even people that drink recreationally, they're doing it to feel a certain feeling.
And of course, one of the more sort of prosaic statements in that big book is people drink because they like the effect.
They like the effect.
So like anyone who's just having a pint or a couple of shots likes the effect.
That's why they're doing it.
Well, what is that effect?
It's altering your state.
And people that have a tendency to dependency just will do it all the time to the point of destruction and won't notice when the process has become warped, won't be able to intervene and recognize, oh my God, this has gone crazy.
All right.
Okay.
Hit us with a reading then, Joe.
Yeah.
If you're seriously alcoholic as we were, we believe there is no middle of the road solution.
We were in a position where life has become impossible.
And if we passed into the region from which there is no return through human aid, we had but two alternatives.
One was to go on to the bitter end, blotting out the consciousness of our intolerable situation as best we could.
And the other to accept spiritual help.
I like that blotting out there, Joe, blotting out, because I feel that even when we looked at that mouse experiment a little while ago, a couple of shows back, or maybe it was the last show, the sense I get is that of a whole culture blotting out its awareness of reality.
Not just obviously through substance and consuming orally, but just a constant process of consuming information.
How often are you alone with God?
How often are you just in nature?
How often do you stop and have no interface at all?
Not a screen, nothing.
Prayer, meditation.
I think for a lot of people, it might be never.
Look, that job of spirit, of being connected to spirit has been replaced by some kind of substance use.
Is that the end of the reading or is there more?
That's the end of that reading.
Then you turn over the page and it starts talking about the story I was just saying there, Roland Hazard, a certain American businessman.
There's also a reference at the bottom.
It says fully explained appendix two.
So I'll have a little look and see what it says at the appendix at the back.
Oh yeah, it talks about the types of spiritual experience that are available.
Sort of sudden epiphanies or theophanies, encounters with God, urgent and immediate, such as anyone who's not a fae with spirituality will regard as necessary even to qualify.
That you want, you know, almost C.S. Lewis's definition, when the train left Paddington station, I wasn't a Christian.
When I arrived, I was Christian.
I'd accepted Christ.
A spiritual conversion has taken place.
A very likely way that those conversions, whether it's from drugs and alcohol to abstinence or from believing that the world can provide you with solutions to not believing that anymore, believing only God can save you, is crisis.
The reason I think that the reason that I'm interested in 12-step ideology beyond my own requirement for it is because I think it's a brilliant way of recognizing that all of us have to make some powerful transformation and some powerful transition from dependency on things to dependency on God.
And one of the things I'm experiencing a lot lately is I'm trying to stay in, I'm trying to notice when my self-will kicks in.
I'm trying to notice it.
I'm trying to observe what the conditions are when I go, I'm going to make these decisions.
I'm going to take this course of action.
And the program provides a lot of checks for that.
One, lateral community.
See, in a normal church, they'd say relationships of accountability, where before I do anything, I check.
I check, where's this coming from?
There's a way of doing it, and it talks about it later in the book that is more sort of spiritual and internal, where it says, you know, you will get used to relying on your instincts and intuitions, but be careful because you'll pay for it in all sorts of crazy mistakes early on, like believing that your instincts.
Now, so me, when I'm making decisions now about pretty much anything, I'm trying to go in myself and go, where's this coming from?
And God, is this what you want?
Is this what you want, God?
Is this what you want for me?
Because otherwise, I'm worshiping me.
It's me that's making those decisions.
And as Chesterton famously said in response to the Times' inquiry in 1914 when he was still alive, what is the problem with the world?
Chesterton responded, Dear Times, you asked what was the problem of the world.
I am yours, GK Chesterton.
That really the problems all begin with you.
And what alcohol and alcoholism and addiction do is they make it kind of clear that if you don't take this action and become abstinent, your life is not going to change.
And most people can grasp that idea.
It's harder when it's not just one compound, but when it is your compounded sense of self and your whole life is the problem.
This is the way I regard my family.
This is the way I regard my work.
This is the way I treat people.
This is what I believe.
This is what is triggered if someone says this or if this happens or if I'm tired or all of that.
To detach from all of it requires a kind of personal resurrection and a personal kind of death.
And where I always end up now, and I suppose it's understandable because I've not taken drugs or had a drink for 23 years, is how do I continue to apply these ideas now when it's not going to be by God's eternal grace, I'm going to just go get drunk.
It's going to be I'm going to make a decision.
And I think for me now, I need to be sort of immersed in continual community.
Like that I have to straight away watch as like for me is speed is probably the observable thing.
Like I start to speed up.
I become impatient.
So my defect of character in a six and seven way that tells me where I most easily fall into self and therefore I'm vulnerable to Satan is impatience.
I start to think this is taking too long.
Hurry up.
And like I'm always looking for a way where I can take control.
Drive-ins and obvious example.
I'm just going to turn right.
I can just drive around this person.
I do stuff like that all the time.
I drive around people that are waiting for things that I consider to be imaginary.
And the part of it that I like, I like is I've not accepted the world's rules.
I've not accepted that.
I don't agree with it.
I believe in, but I do, I have to abide by God's rules.
And the problem is, is different people disagree about where God's dominion and man's dominion ends.
I like some of that about you, I'll be honest.
Like where you just ignore a red light and just take off.
And I think what's hard though, and I relate to a lot of that, is it's hard when you're an entrepreneur.
It's hard when you own your own business, when you're your own boss in this world.
It's hard to step.
And I mean, it just takes, for me, that active time in the morning, especially in the morning with me, before I even start going, so that I'm not running on self-will.
Must Become Ourselves00:15:24
You mentioned 86 to 88.
It talks about God consciousness and it becomes almost a sixth sense to us.
And that we, it says we can exercise our willpower along these lines.
It's the proper use of the will.
Yes, I like having instruction on the proper use of the will.
That's 86 to 88.
Joe, you find that section like where it says that, but not the whole thing, but just the bit where it sort of talks about what starts as the occasional hunch becomes a reliable way of living.
I think it's top of 87.
Top of 87.
What used to be the hunch or the occasional inspiration gradually becomes a working part of the mind.
Being still inexperienced and having just made conscious contact with God, it is not probable that we are going to be inspired at all times.
We might pay for this presumption in all sorts of absurd actions and ideas.
Nevertheless, we find that our thinking will, as time passes, be more and more on the plane of inspiration.
We come to rely upon it.
Yeah, getting on that plane of inspiration is the goal.
And absurd actions is sort of something, you know, when I think about it, Jake, how often in my life I might just be in some mad scenario because I've gone, yeah, because of a total lack of trust in the world and a total lack of trust in self and an inability to tell the difference between that's divine.
I'm being divinely directed to do this.
Like there's been loads of times in my life where it's like I felt you're being guided.
Follow it.
Go with the spontaneity.
Trust the Lord.
And it's led to amazing things.
But also it has led to, as it said in that passage, absurd situations and messed up relationships and chaos of like, because me just going, yeah, this is the right thing to do.
Like it becomes, I think, it can become a sort of superstition if you're not careful.
Yeah, there is a filter.
We talk about it all the time, like the fruits of the spirit, the things that come from it.
Like, yeah, there's going to be unknown, but you will know that's at least godly characteristics that flow from it.
You know, that it's not going to be anti-God, what he leads you to do.
Yes.
And I think the hard part is, for you, is that you've built this thing on you because that's your Russell Brand.
And that's, you know, sometimes you feel like who else can you lean on?
And that's what Dave's talking about with being an entrepreneur.
But I think you have to have good support people around you because the reality is it's not just an individual game.
If it was just an individual game, you would do everything and you would have to do everything.
And you can go get lost in the woods and then come do a video.
You would have to do everything.
But that's not what this is.
So even in a setting like this, Dave's got insight.
Joe has insight.
You can lean on those guys.
And it doesn't have to all come from you.
And I think that's freeing.
Yeah.
And also that in the brokenness, like that when you own your brokenness, it I think facilitates what you are calling and are called the fruits of the spirit mentality.
One of the ways of checking, oh, am I in the flow of God now is, well, are you being an asshole?
Because like if you are, you probably aren't.
Like if it doesn't feel like you are being beautiful and gracious, you know, like it's not always going to be Mary Martha.
It's not always going to be, listen, while you think it's double important to be fussing in the kitchen and all that, it's not.
Get with Christ.
Sit at the feet of Christ and listen and hear.
And I suppose the challenge is, is because we are living in this sort of post-structuralist and dismantling time where statues are being pulled down, where history is being rewritten, where whole genders and races are being condemned in an attempt to redress assumed, the assumed reverse, to have something you can say, no, this I rely on.
This is true.
This is Christ.
This is what goodness is.
That's what I will, that I will not do.
And, you know, this has been very helpful for me reading this book, Faith and Reason, because in it, the Southern Baptist academic Andrew Lawrence, using cultural events, makes claims for universal good in the same way any apologist does, in the same way that C.S. Lewis does, in the same way that C.S. Lewis says that we all know good and bad.
And he illustrates it with like betrayal and traitors.
Even though, in a military situation, if intel can be achieved from a spy or a traitor, everyone knows what that person's that person's a rat.
Everyone knows what that is.
Everyone knows that's not a cool thing that's going on.
And my man there said, only I think it's important, Andrew Lawrence, in this book about faith and reason, that when the culture tells you, becomes God, when the culture says we will decide what's right and what's wrong.
And it note for one thing how it changes all the time, that it's not consistent.
It's no consistency in one minute, this is our cherished set of ideals.
Oh, now this is our cherished set of ideals.
And notice how often in the political space people switch up who believes what.
Hold on, aren't you the free speech ones?
No, we're the free speech ones.
Oh, aren't you the ones that believe in individual bodily autonomy?
No, we're the ones that believe in individual bodily autonomy because there's no persistent or consistent principle.
There's just materialism and control at work there.
He uses the sort of example of this like defining recent moment in our culture when Elliot Page went on Oprah Wimfrey to declare their sex change.
That Oprah Wimphrey's default position is one that the culture cedes to quite frequently.
That you in yourself must become yourself.
You know who you are, and you must become who you are.
And all of us must, Elliot Page, you know, you were Ellen Page, now be Elliot Page.
And from a compassionate perspective, I obviously anyone will be sympathetic about not pretending to be someone that you're not, masklessness.
But this idea that who you are is fundamentally and essentially good and should be pursued at all costs is actually a satanic idea, a Luciferian idea, a false light idea.
The false light of self must not be allowed to bleach out the true light of Christ.
Because if the greatest expression of yourself and the fullest expression of yourself was pedophilia or murder or rape, everyone knows you're not meant to do that.
Oprah Wimphrey knows you're not meant to do that.
Everyone knows you're not meant to do that.
So now we know there's a line.
Now we have to agree where the line should be drawn.
Is it going to be by a human?
No, because if it's a human, you're going to end up in quarrels and arguments and conflict.
So when it says here that through the crisis of alcoholism, we will eventually over time if we practice the program and remain abstinent and take from the see how Indiana Jones moves that stone off the thing and like puts the bag of sand there.
If you take from the driving seat of your reality self and replace it with God, you are going to become able to know instinctively how to behave in different situations.
But there is still in the same way that there are the fruits of the spirit, there are the challenges of the flesh.
In 12-step lit, it's the promises are you will become all these things if you practice the program.
And the bedevilments are this is what you are when you're in your disease.
You're selfish.
You're not capable of being any use to anybody.
Like these two pairs live together.
And I feel that the spirits are the fruits of the spirit and sin are similar.
And what I notice in myself is that I'm all of these things.
At any point, I could drift into anything.
So I suppose, yeah, the more I submit, the better it is.
The less like, yeah, like John early John, like John the Baptist, he must become greater and I must become lesser.
The more I'm living in my rustleness, the more at risk we all are.
Joe, do you have anything to add there, my dear friend?
No, I think it's interesting that you mentioned the sort of text step 10 protocol.
Like watch for fear, resentment, and selfishness.
Like when these crop up, ask God to remove them at once.
That's like a clear indicator, innit?
That you sort of cut off from the spirit.
And it's just such a practical way to live.
Like you can recognize when you're falling into self, take action, and then it sort of clears your path for connection.
It's not always easy, is it?
It's not always easy.
And like these instructions here for like how to start your day.
But man, you've got to restart your day from time to time in recovery, I've found.
Do the start of your day instructions, Joe.
Read them out.
So this is on awakening.
So that was a little bit we just had there, top of 87, but it begins here.
Look, on awakening, let's think about the 24 hours ahead.
We consider our plans for the day.
Before we begin, we ask God to direct our thinking, especially asking that it be divorced from self-pity, dishonest or self-seeking motives.
Under these conditions, we can employ our mental faculties with assurance.
For after all, God gave us brains to use.
I thought life will be placed on a much higher plane when our thinking is cleared of wrong motives.
In thinking about our day ahead, we may face indecision.
We may not be able to determine which course to take.
Here we ask God for inspiration, an intuitive thought or decision.
We relax and take it easy.
We don't struggle.
We are often surprised how the right answer comes after we have tried this for a while.
Then it rolls over the bit we were just talking about.
I like that it begins with on awakening.
And someone said to me once in AA, one of the things that's been good that's great about going to 12-step groups is like it starts off with just, oh, I can't drink, I can't drink, I can't take drugs, can't take drugs.
And then you start to encounter people that are incredibly wise, like all over the world, whose job is nothing to do with how wise they are.
They're just some bloke or some woman who, like, I've had it happen around here.
Someone just give me incredible insights.
Like, and it happened the whole time I've been in recovery because they're people that are forced to live outside of the world.
They're forced to live their life upon spiritual lines.
And one of them around there said to me that on that reading begins with, upon awakening, it says in it, like the first words of it, Joe.
He said, that might not mean in the morning.
That might not mean in the morning.
It might mean you awaken.
As you awaken to, oh, wow, I'm living in a different reality now.
You'll be cool as long as your motives are divorced from self-pity.
It's very beautiful.
And it reminds me of this verse from scripture that I've been thinking about a lot from John's Gospel, chapter 3.
After Christ has spoken to Nicodemus in his nocturnal soiree with a sadducee, an informed student of the law, we have this encounter where John the Baptist's disciples sort of almost try and goad him a little bit, Joe.
Like, I see everyone's off with this new guy.
And John the Baptist says, the bride belongs to the bridegroom.
The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice.
That joy is mine.
And it is now complete.
He must become greater.
I must become less.
John the Baptist, like it may see with the joyful mysteries, I've always wondered, like the first mystery is Gabriel telling Mary, get ready.
And the next one is she goes to visit her cousin and the baby jumps in Elizabeth's belly.
And I've always thought, how's that made it all the way to the rosary this moment?
And I can't claim to understand it, but I feel like it must be to do with the nascent in utero John knows then.
He knows even before he's born that the Messiah is coming, that his cousin is the Messiah, that he's the one that has to make straight the ways.
And I like that what it comes down to is as, as always, a death of self.
That even John, like even John, who's, you know, by Christ reckoning the greatest prophet that ever lived, says, I must become less.
He must become greater.
And that wisdom is parroted throughout that 12-step thing.
That what we eventually want to do is like, you know, we want a good antidote to whenever we have a resentment at some point in the past, we usually find we've made a decision based on self that's put us in a position to be hurt.
Like every time, what have you done?
Why is this happening?
Is this happening to you because of a corrupt and evil world or because of exploitative people?
Or did you make some decision at some point, Russell, because you wanted something for yourself?
Even sometimes when it's like when my kids are crying, actually I'm like, shut up.
Like, you know, I don't want, it's not even their problem I'm trying to solve.
It's mine.
I'm trying to solve my problem of kids crying.
Almost always.
Almost always.
It's whatever's going on with me is getting elevated.
Whatever's happening externally is just elevating something that is already happening in me internally.
Yes.
Yeah, I think that's where, but that's where you grow in that God consciousness.
So I've the last, God, several months, I've been going back and I've almost consistently done 86 through 88 in the morning, which is like foundational for me.
And like sitting down, taking that time, going, okay, the first couple of things it says is on awakening, we think about the 24 hours ahead.
So think.
Then it says we consider and then we ask.
And so it's like, we think, we consider and ask.
Those are three things that I usually don't do before acting.
I'm like, I act and then I consider it and think about what happened afterwards.
It's like, when I took the positional change in step three, I said, you're going to be the director.
So the very first thing you ask him in 86 is to direct my thinking.
And so when I'm asking him to direct my thinking, that's where I'm considering my plans for the day.
Like his thinking, I want him to interrupt my day with stuff that he would have me be because I want the life that he wants me to have versus what I think I need, which is tough.
I think it's super tough with being entrepreneurial.
Like, and especially in your case, because, yes, we do have the community part, but in your case, like, I mean, it would be even more difficult.
Like, I already struggle with trusting people or having anyone trying to control me.
Like, I don't necessarily want to control anyone else, but don't try and control me.
And for you, it's like, especially your experience in Hollywood and stuff, you had people, I mean, everyone.
Alternative Motives Unveiled00:02:33
That's the culture.
It's just using, just using you.
And so did not have your best interest in mind at all.
Always full of shit.
There's always some alternative motive.
And so I think it takes a while building up genuine friendships and recovery that you can trust.
That if Joe comes to me and says something, calls me out on something, that I know that I can trust him, that it's really for my good.
And it's not for him in some sort of way or to, you know, that he doesn't have some alternative motive for it, which to me has been, that's been really helpful.
When you're trying to grow in like a God consciousness, I don't think, I mean a big part of it is that listening to God throughout the day and not being blocked off with resentments and stuff like that.
But I think a lot of that, I mean, I get a lot through my good friends that tell me things through 10-stepping stuff and even just good friends just sharing with me.
And I think I think I understand some of that.
I think you probably understand that to a whole other degree just because of your background and experience.
I wonder.
I can't tell how it's different.
All I know is that it's non-negotiable.
There has to be a state of continual surrender and that the game becomes how quickly can I spot that I'm starting to go into it.
And it's really, it's happened.
See, alcohol and drugs is baby steps because it's so obvious.
If you drink or take drugs, it's so obvious.
Then the next one will be something like sex.
And then it's obvious if you're having promiscuous encounters or it's obvious if you're looking at pornography.
It's less obvious if you're having sexual thoughts about people.
And when what I've started to notice about that is the self-regulation of sexual thoughts is like just transformed.
It's transformed like that.
If I, in my field of vision, if attractive woman, I've spent so long and I think you're culturally, geometrically almost predisposed to sort of notice attractive woman, like it's like a scan.
And I've noticed that there's some secondary thing now.
It's like, no, no.
And then alone in my mind, if I wake in the night, no.
And now I'm starting to notice with something that's even subtler than that because it's, it's like you said, the thing's already in you.
Attractive Women Scan00:02:17
That's what you said.
It's already in you.
And some stimulant or provocative event or situation will bring out what's already in you.
Think, Joe, rage, think self-pity, whatever.
You know, like it's waiting to come out.
And then it's sort of like some sort of drag of reality goes like that, nicks it.
And ah, right, this is it.
It's coming out now.
Could be a nice thing, could be a bad thing.
I don't know.
You know, like it says in, you know, in the director bit, he'll have a variety of traits that get expressed.
But what I've started to see now is even with, as I start to become, I've become more observant of, oh, you're tired.
You're tired.
Just calm down.
Don't deal with tiredness by speeding up.
Don't do that.
Just be tired, relax, be peaceful.
There's nothing to get.
There is nothing to get.
It's already over.
That doesn't mean we're not going to do things.
We are going to do things.
We're going to do a lot of things.
This bit is a nascent period, a period of incubation and reflection and discovery and learning that will include podcasts where we just sit around and sort of talk quite gently.
Because the next bit, I've got a feeling is going to involve the implementation of direct democracies, powerful evangelism, frontline cultural warfare, spiritual warfare, exhausting, potent stuff if it's his will.
And if it's not his will, if his will is go live in a shed somewhere, I'm starting to find that idea quite attractive.
Actually, go and live in a shed somewhere, grow vegetables, you know, hunt stuff.
I'll be cool with that as well.
So I'm good with either outcome.
And so thank you for walking this path and having these conversations.
Joe and Massey and beloved Dave and my dear brother Jake.
That's all we're going to do today.
It's not all we have time for.
It could go on forever, but we're not going to.
People outside.
I'm going to take a week off and go to the United Kingdom to go to a preliminary hearing for the trials that I'm undertaking later on this year.
So I'm going to take a week off.
We'll be back the following week.
Of course, we'll be posting content all over Rumble and all over everywhere, of course.
It's the way the game is these days.
But we won't be doing live shows next week.
We'll be back the following week, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.
If you want to come and get tickets to come see me in Florida in the Panhandle, do.