Stay Free - Russel Brand - Why We’re Sick — And How to Fix It: A Deep Dive with Paul Saladino - SF651

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	Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
	Hello there, you awakening wonders.
	Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand today with Paul Saladino MD.
	You are going to love this interview.
	I became a carnivore because of this man.
	He's written books about being a carnivore and he convinced me to go from vegan all the way to carnivore.
	It's brilliant.
	It's a fantastic conversation that covers the kind of holiness that comes to mind when you hear the intricate beauty of the way that the human body works right down to the subcellular level and what I would have to describe as a kind of demonic evil in institutionalized food production.
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	Okay, let's get into the Paul Saladino interview right now.
	Paul Saladino, thank you so much for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's good to see you again, my friend.
	You look well.
	Now, last time we spoke, I was a vegan.
	I wasn't a Christian yet.
	Obviously, I've been through quite a lot publicly as well.
	And we can touch upon that if you want to.
	But I've got one thing I want to say is I just can't believe how radically eating meat has changed me constitutionally.
	But don't take my word for it.
	I was going to say, that's amazing.
	I didn't use that.
	That's the first time I've had abs in my whole life.
	What's going on?
	Tell me the science behind this.
	Well, I'll tell you the science and then I want to hear more about how you feel because I remember seeing you in DC and you told me in January of this year that you'd start eating meat again.
	And I thought that was so cool.
	So, I mean, you just think about it.
	Humans throughout our history have always treasured meat.
	You look at any group of hunter-gatherers on the planet now and they treasure meat.
	It's at the top of their sort of hierarchy of foods they want to eat and they eat animals from nose to tail.
	And so on the first podcast that we did, we talked a little bit about these nutrients in meat, but there are so many unique nutrients in animal foods, whether you're eating chicken or beef or fish or whatever, that just don't occur in plants.
	Plants are great, but a lot of nutrients don't occur in plants or they don't occur in any appreciable quantities in plants.
	So when you are not eating meat as a vegan, which is, you know, that's you're right.
	You're a sovereign human.
	You can make an intentional choice.
	It's very, very hard to get these nutrients that are central to human thriving, right?
	And I listed them out last time and I'll give you a sense of them again.
	Things are things like creatine, which gets a lot of press today, but whether things like carnitine or anserine or taurine, all of these nutrients, they're critical.
	Did I lose you?
	No, I'm really focused because in a sense, what's fascinating is this is a time where people are reluctant to make essential or universal claims, i.e., well, at the chemical level, a man is a man, a woman is a woman.
	And I suppose, like, as we discussed previously, I was a vegetarian from the age of 14 because I love Morrissey and I love the Smiths and someone showed me footage of abattoirs and the way that animals are treated, which I thought was appalling then and I think is appalling now.
	And I suppose there's been a spike of documentaries, even within the last five years, that sort of made the claim that you don't need meat.
	And in fact, meat is bad for you.
	And it's actually, oh, your arteries and cholesterol.
	But what I can tell you empirically is since like, you know, what I always felt when I was a vegan is I like the fucking, excuse my language, taste of meat.
	So I was always eating, like, I was a sucker for all that beyond stuff, which I now kind of would regard as a sort of a globalist imperialist consumer like scam.
	Like, you know, I liked all that fake meat.
	Even earlier versions, like Linda McCartney, God rest her eternal soul.
	I was always chomping down on a Linda McCartney sausage, the late wife of the great Beatle Paul McCartney.
	They had a brand of vegetarian sausages.
	Then when I went from vegetarian to vegan, Paul, it's like, oh my word, I can't eat anything.
	I was making these bizarre concoctions to get like some sort of paste that had meatiness to it.
	It's like I was trying to synthesize it the whole time.
	Now, I still have the kind of moral quandaries, but I suppose that's sort of separate from diet.
	But and in a way, what is morally and ethically suggested is that you should be eating meat that is reared locally and killed respectfully.
	Even though death is always terrible and there's something brutal about, you know, death, life eats death.
	That's the price, man.
	And like making those universal claims in this climate seems somehow to be challenging.
	I mean, I heard a, I read this book when I was younger.
	It was called The Tracker.
	There's a guy who grew up on the East Coast in the Pine Barrens in New Jersey named Tom Brown.
	And he was apprenticed to this.
	It's a true story, I believe, is he was apprenticed to this Apache Indian gentleman who sort of gave him Native American philosophy, ways of life, and hunting.
	And he told this Native American elder told Tom Brown something that in order for something to live, something else must die.
	This is the way of life.
	And so this ethical quandary around eating meat, I think is, I think that we have it because we are removed from nature.
	If you and I were in a tribe in the jungle here in Costa Rica or in the forest of, you know, the northern United States where Native Americans were, wherever, we would not have an ethical qualm about eating meat.
	What we would do is we would hunt it respectfully.
	And because we hunted it, we would eat it from nose to tail.
	We would eat all of the organs.
	We would eat the bone marrow.
	We would use the hide and the hooves and we would eat all of the animal.
	We would waste nothing and we would be very grateful to this sort of cycle of life.
	You know, all of these sort of indigenous tribes have some sort of cosmology.
	They all see themselves as something, a part of something bigger, right?
	We've lost that.
	You go to the grocery store, you have a disembodied steak, and we've lost, dare I say, the spirituality of eating meat.
	It was part of, it was, I mean, perhaps it may sound overblown, but it's sacramental in some ways.
	And the nutrients in meat, like I said earlier, are so unique for humans that when you go from not eating meat to eating meat, you have a step function change in the way that you think, the way that your energy is, your libido, your vitality.
	And the other thing I would mention here is that I think that as much as humans have an ethical imperative to re sort of re-participate in that cycle of life and understand and respect the nutrients that these animals give us and to live accordingly, I think that as humans, and I think this, you know, this is very, this is sort of a Christian perspective.
	Like our purpose is also to do the most good in the world.
	And so how do you do the most good in the world?
	How are you the best conduit for the ideas that you believe need to go into the world?
	You need to nourish yourself, right?
	You need to nourish your brain and your body.
	And so I've always thought eating meat is part of supporting myself.
	I do a lot of things in my life.
	We don't know each other that well personally yet, but I'm very intentional about the way that I live my life across all aspects because I sort of see so many aspects of my life as sacred and I want to I want to protect this vessel.
	You know, I don't drink.
	I don't smoke.
	I think about these things.
	I try to get good sleep.
	You know, like I'm trying to be a good vessel for something bigger than me, for something in the world, and to put ideas into the world that help people.
	And so nutrition is a part of that.
	And I think you've seen that now.
	And so there is this other ethical side of it that, hey, if you are a more lit up human, if you are a more energetic, clear thinking human, you're doing good in the world.
	That's what, that's really, I think, a very high purpose for these animals in your life.
	They're nourishing you and you're putting it back into the world.
	And one day you will die and go back to the earth too.
	These are excellent points.
	And I think your early remark that we are detached from nature is an important one, that we've been decoupled from a deep reality that we have to live in harmony with because of recent deep education into how systems of control operate.
	I know that whether it's the choice that was made to use blue light instead of red light behind these screens or any number of nutritional choices, I know that what you talk about, a kind of nutritional state of subjugation, is what's required by the systems that seem to emulate, seek to emulate and counterfeit the divine power that you're describing is not an accident, but deliberate.
	It's deliberate that you eat food that makes you tired and bloated and ineffective.
	It's deliberate that you stare at screens that hypnotize you and dumb you down.
	That certain chemicals are to be found in the water sources.
	You can see that while looking at your bright face that you're a person that's coursing with creatine and nutrition and collagen.
	And for all I know, methylene blue and tallow.
	Not methylene blue, but the other ones, yes.
	Tell me why I know methylene blue, Paul.
	Methylene blue is an interesting one.
	This gets a little technical.
	So, but I love what you're saying there.
	And I wonder about that.
	You know, I think that it's a very sinister reality that we're living in if there are powers that be that are actually trying to subjugate us and make us dumber.
	It's very possible.
	Certainly with the devices, I think that the blue lights and the flickering of the devices is designed to addict us.
	As far as the food goes, yeah, we can talk about this too.
	I don't know.
	I think that nourished humans are likely to be free thinking humans.
	And free thinking humans are a little more difficult to control than tired and, you know, humans that are just fatigued.
	And they're, yeah, I mean, that humans that are thinking clearly are going to question the system.
	So there's a very sinister potential reality there.
	As far as the methylene blue conversation goes, so methylene blue is a complex molecule that actually moves electrons down the electron transport chain in the mitochondria.
	So I don't want to get too technical here, but the way that we make energy as humans is we harvest electrons from the food that we eat.
	We pass those electrons through a transport chain in the inner mitochondrial membrane of every cell of our body, except the red blood cells.
	And at the end of that mitochondrial electron transport chain, those electrons end up in water.
	And that electromotive force, so passing the electrons down the chain creates a gradient of hydrogen, basically protons, hydrogen ions.
	And then moving down the concentration gradient creates ATP.
	So there's a little nanomotor inside your mitochondria.
	And the hydrogen, the protons moving back down their concentration gradient creates ATP.
	It's a really exquisitely elegant system.
	But the movement of electrons between all of those complexes and they're numbered is how we create an electromotive force to move protons and to create a concentration gradient.
	Now, methylene blue will move the electron down the electron transport chain, which is a good thing if you have a blockage in your electron transport chain.
	But most of us don't.
	There are definitely some people with severe neurodegenerative diseases that have, I would say, severe mitochondrial issues.
	And in that case, methylene blue can be this adjunct and it can move the electron around the blockage.
	But if you don't have a blockage in your electron transport chain, methylene blue is making less energy per electron.
	So you're actually getting less energy out of the food you eat, which is a bad thing.
	You want that electron transport chain to function optimally.
	So I think for most people, methylene blue is probably not something you want to be using at a mitochondrial level.
	The reason it gets a little tricky is because methylene blue also has effects on the neurotransmitters.
	It's a monoamine oxidase A inhibitor, and so it's going to affect serotonin levels in the brain.
	And so I think some people feel good with methylene blue.
	It doesn't mean that your energy production at the level of the mitochondria is better.
	And, you know, remarkably, at high doses, methylene blue will turn your heart blue.
	This has been shown, like, and your brain.
	So, I mean, I see it's done some wonderful things to my urine and my tongue.
	Like, I do enjoy looking down and seeing sweet blue urine.
	I think that's pretty fascinating that something so fundamental can be adapted and altered.
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	Back to the content.
	I enjoyed very much your description of the elegance of the mitochondrial system and the complexity of electron manipulation and conveyance.
	And whenever I hear something articulated by someone who understands it, I feel the approximate awe of a heavenly creator.
	I think such complexity could not occur as a result of randomized events, even over billions of years.
	Elsewise, why would we regard patterns with such wonder, whether in mathematics, which by the way, why would it exist if there was no intelligence, and music and symmetry and art, the hallmark and presence of God is evident in all God's creation.
	And I am just in awe of the wonder of that.
	And thank you for explaining it so beautifully and clearly.
	Now, when you said that about the potential impact and like that methylene blue might make you feel better, but it might not necessarily be doing it in a way that's ultimately beneficial.
	It reminded me of once someone telling me that what caffeine is doing is kind of stretching you and creating a sort of a stimulated state that you're going to pay a price for down the line.
	I mean, in the Buddhists say, borrowing from your future self.
	Do you think it belongs in that kind of category?
	Is that what your concern is?
	Yes, in some ways.
	And I mean, it would be, we can talk about caffeine.
	It's very, no one likes it when we talk about caffeine, Russell, because 90% of the people do taste coffee.
	What's that?
	Because we're all addicted to it.
	I remember that study where they tried to study the efficacy of caffeine.
	And as I recall, the control group were able to drink caffeine.
	But the group that didn't have caffeine were not only not having caffeine, they were also in withdrawal.
	And that was the, like, this study didn't account for the fact that everyone was in a doubly suboptimal state.
	And so, I mean, I don't want to depress people.
	I mean, I needn't, I might as well tell you that this is caffeine in its purest and most wonderful form in that drink.
	Do you drink caffeine, Paul?
	I do not.
	I do not.
	I have in the past.
	So when I was in, when I was in my medical training, I used caffeine some and I would get like heart palpitations, heart fluttering, and I stopped it many years ago.
	I went through bad withdrawals.
	But, you know, it's tricky.
	So there are a few things about caffeine.
	The first is to know that the half-life of caffeine is five to six hours.
	So the caffeine that you're drinking now, Russell, will not be even, it will perhaps be half metabolized by the time you go to sleep in 10 hours, depending when you go to sleep.
	I mean, it's, you know, it's probably three or four o'clock wherever you are.
	You know, if you go to sleep in eight hours at midnight, the caffeine you're drinking now is not even half metabolized.
	It's still in your system.
	And what caffeine does is it has multichemisms, but it blocks the adenosine receptors in your brain.
	Adenosine is a compound that builds up in our brains throughout the day and it causes some sense of fatigue.
	It's not a bad thing.
	It's just how our bodies are telling us you are awake.
	We have this wake-sleep cycling and while we're sleeping, our brains are regenerating in some ways.
	We have this incredible network of lymphatic drainage in the brain called the lymphatic system that pulls waste products out of our brain.
	And so it's important that we know when we are sleepy.
	Caffeine is masking that, but your brain is still sleepy under the surface.
	And so if you're drinking caffeine at eight in the morning, by the time you go to sleep, you may have a quarter of that caffeine in your system, which can still disrupt sleep architecture.
	Drinking caffeine at three or four in the afternoon is a little bit more of a dangerous proposition in terms of sleep architecture.
	So that's just the first thing to consider about caffeine.
	There was a recent study that I saw that talked about in sleep deprivation, which is a time when a lot of people use caffeine.
	If you don't give someone caffeine, there are changes in the gray matter in the brain, right?
	So you have white matter and gray matter in the brain.
	And there are certain regions of the brain where the gray matter sort of expands when you are sleep deprived.
	It's just probably the brain trying to heal itself and push back against the damage that sleep deprivation is doing to your brain.
	Caffeine blunts that.
	So the concern here is that if you're using caffeine to ameliorate your sensation of a sleep deprived state, you could be preventing your brain from doing the necessary healing that it's trying to do when you are sleep deprived because caffeine is blunting the expansion of gray matter in certain parts of the brain when you are sleep deprived.
	So it's a very powerful substance for humans that I think has been used throughout history for good and bad.
	I mean, I think I'm no history buff, but I think a lot of amazing, beautiful art and things have happened throughout history because of caffeine and coffee.
	And so great, fantastic, and other compounds related to caffeine, methyl xanthines that occur in chocolate and things like this.
	It can certainly put humans into ecstatic states or creative states, but we just need to be very honest with ourselves about what it might be doing to our brains long term if we use it for sleep deprivation or if we're using it too close to sleep, it could be causing issues.
	The last thing I'll say is that the coffee that a lot of people drink caffeine and not necessarily tea, but the coffee can be moldy, right?
	So you want to find a coffee that's mold-free, pesticide-free.
	You got to be careful with the vessel through which you're drinking the caffeine.
	And then I'm just a bundle of joya.
	When people hear me talk, they just say, oh, you ruin everything for me.
	There are certain tea bags that are made from plastic.
	So if you're using a caffeinated tea, please do not use a tea bag made from plastic because those are known to release millions or sometimes an order of magnitude greater than that billions of microplastics into your water.
	So putting plastic into hot or boiling water is the worst thing we could do for microplastics.
	And so there are all sorts of considerations around caffeine that I just, thanks for letting me share that.
	But when we have this like level of individual diligence that you are blessedly offering us the opportunity to be that aware of, well, are you sure that this, do you want to eat this tea back?
	You know, I like, I can imagine that if I spent, and I'm going to actually, maybe like, you know, I'm going to say if I spent an hour listening to you or a week listening to you, and I know there's far too much knowledge in you for you to get across in one podcast, but I suppose really I've sort of changed my agenda in the course of just the first 20 minutes to I'm going to need to maximally benefit from this time that I have with Paul.
	Because I remember you saying before, like, even if you only ate McDonald's meat, that's better than not eating meat at all.
	That's one of the things that kind of struck me about our last interaction.
	What I would say, I'd like to learn now is like, you know, I do like, say, I've got a boy, my little boy, he's two.
	He had like a heart condition.
	He's got a condition called DeGeorge.
	Like, say, I eat sometimes, and when I say sometimes, I meant last night, Tony's chocolate, right?
	I was eating it cold out of the fridge.
	Oh, man, it's so delicious.
	Like, anyway, my little boy comes up to me and my wife don't like him to have chocolate, but he knows what chocolate is now.
	And so, you know, the genie's out of the bottle.
	I'm letting him have, like, I'm giving him like bits of this Tony's chocolate, which I feel like is kind of branding itself as, this is good for you, chocolate.
	If I knew everything that you know about chocolate, would I give my son with a heart condition?
	He had like surgery and everything.
	Would I give him like, would I give him chocolate or not?
	What time was it that you were giving him chocolate?
	Was it early in the day or late in the day?
	It was like, oh, gosh, I'm sorry to say that it might have been, it was 8 p.m.
	Late in the day is tough for kids because like I mentioned, chocolate does have these methyl xanthines, which are the same compounds, similar compounds to caffeine.
	So it can affect his sleep, which is then going to affect your sleep if he's not sleeping well.
	Chocolate is an interesting thing.
	So chocolate's tricky.
	There definitely are studies suggesting that chocolate has compounds, flavonoids, that could be beneficial at a vascular health level at the endothelium in your blood vessels.
	And it may have benefits long term.
	Most chocolate is packaged with processed sugar, which is a little tricky, right?
	We can pretty confidently say that a processed sugar sucrose is not a great thing for humans.
	I think the Tony's chocolate, all these chocolates have sucrose.
	If you really wanted to make chocolate the healthiest way you could, you could get a 100% dark chocolate and combine it with something like honey.
	And I think there's a really interesting divergence between the outcomes in humans and the way that natural sugars like honey and fruit affect us versus a processed sugar like a sucrose or a table sugar.
	These are really different things.
	And so if you took a dark chocolate and you combine it with honey, I would argue that's better for humans than it is than like a processed sugar containing chocolate.
	The other considerations with chocolate are that chocolate can be fairly high in heavy metals.
	It's not going to kill you.
	And we're talking about things like lead, mercury, and arsenic and cadmium, cadmium especially in chocolate.
	But if you eat a lot of chocolate, it's just meaning check your heavy metals because the seeds of plants, and chocolate is made from plant cacao seeds that are roasted, the seeds of plants do tend to concentrate heavy metals.
	And again, I don't mean to be a killjoy.
	I'm just, I'm equipping people as much as I can with the tools to make their own sovereign decisions in their life.
	Nothing is quite black and white.
	So if you're eating a chocolate, just check that it is tested for heavy metals and these kind of things also.
	And potentially be aware that the sucrose in there, the processed sugar in the chocolate is not great, but there's an easy way to fix that, which is you take 100% dark chocolate and you combine it with honey.
	And I can speak about that if you'd like.
	But there are ways to make it better and there are some considerations with chocolate as well.
	What do you think?
	You know, even though I know it's sort of like partly shtick, I am actually getting angry with you because you're one by one like removing so many of the sort of you're demolishing the architecture of my comfort with your every announcement.
	But like, but also, Paul, we do need to wake up.
	We need to wake up.
	I don't want to live in darkness.
	So like you've already, you were a significant factor.
	You and bear grills were probably the most significant influences in me deciding to start eating meat.
	And it was kind of concomitant with my coming to Christ as well.
	So, you know, I'm so quite actually interestingly having listened to the earlier part of the conversation when you've talked about the sacraments and sanctity with the idea of the flesh and the blood and the blood of Christ, that there is some kind of spiritual correlative to this incontrovertibility, not incontrovertibly, but somehow inextricably.
	I'd like to ask you this then.
	I'd like to ask you this.
	In general, say me, I am drinking a lot of caffeine.
	I'm drinking like sparkling water.
	I know there's probably microplastics in this.
	If at an individual level, we're like being polluted, even if you're someone like me who's economically advantaged, albeit autodidactically educated, like what chance have we got?
	And I mean this in a Maha context, I guess it was a DC event where we encountered each other briefly other than our interview there.
	Like what should be the role of make America healthy again?
	What should be the role of government in facing up to big food, big agriculture, and I guess big pharma as well, of course.
	But like if we lived like just you explaining to me as an individual, well, this is what you should feed your children.
	I'm immediately thinking, don't give your children anything other than organic whole food.
	And we've thankfully got a really good water filter in our house already for even the shower water and the drinking water.
	Probably there's got to be some supplementation.
	If that's what, you know, you can do that as an individual and we can do that as a family.
	And by God, I will.
	But what does that tell us our culture where what's been normalized is junk food and food dyes and preservatives and pesticides in the food chain.
	Aren't we like ultimately poisoning and toxifying ourselves beyond an industrial level, almost at a universal level?
	Absolutely, we are.
	And it sounds hyperbolic when we say it or it sounds inflammatory, but it's really, I think it's really true.
	I think people.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think I've begun to see it like this, Russell.
	I've begun to see it as like there are foods that are for humans and there are foods that are not for humans.
	And if you eat food for humans, which I would define as single ingredient foods, so meat and plants, right?
	Single ingredient foods, milk, eggs, fish, chicken, you know, Brussels sprouts, whatever, potatoes.
	These are single ingredient foods.
	Or foods with labels that your great grandmother would recognize everything on the label.
	That's that's sort of just my working framework for food for humans.
	If you do that, and you know, based on our previous part of the conversation, this is important to share with your audience.
	Like, I'm not trying to take away things from people or make it impossible.
	So the food for humans framework is quite broad, but I want people to understand this.
	I strongly believe, and this is something that I am so passionate about at this moment in my life and my career.
	And I think this is in line with the Maha movement.
	The Western medical system will not tell you this, but I believe that if you eat food for humans, you can correct or reverse the majority of chronic illness that we suffer from as humans today.
	And it's as simple as that.
	I mean, I'm writing a book about this now, and I want to get that message out there because as a traditionally trained medical doctor, I have an MD that was never taught to me in medical school, that so many of the chronic health conditions that we suffer from from autoimmune conditions like multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, chogrens, autoimmune thyroid conditions.
	I had eczema.
	Some people have skin conditions like psoriasis.
	Autoimmune conditions are rampant.
	Chronic illnesses like obesity, diabetes, atherosclerosis.
	So many of these conditions that we suffer from chronically as humans are fixable if we just eat food for humans.
	And so this is wild to me that the Western medical system is not doing this.
	And I think this is exactly the intersection of the government and Maha in this problem is that, hey, look, if you're making it okay, or you're not at least telling people, hey, if you eat food that is not for humans, which is this, you know, this myriad of ultra-processed foods, you are going to be sick.
	It's as simple as that.
	I think we've been trying, I think that in some ways the calories model has been quite misleading for people.
	We've thought, oh, as long as I just don't eat too many calories, I'm going to be okay.
	No, you cannot out-exercise the toxins and the sort of artificial, confusing ingredients and compounds in an Oreo simply by doing the amount of exercise that burns off the calories in an Oreo.
	These things get stuck in our cells and our membranes.
	They affect our gut flora, which is the problem with sucrose, processed sugar.
	It affects your gut flora in a negative way.
	So we need, I want people to understand that, hey, you can, if you, you have the right as an American to go to Dunkin' Donuts and to and to eat a donut, right?
	But if you, you simply cannot just exercise to burn off those 200 calories.
	It doesn't work that way.
	All those toxins are negatively affecting your cells and your body in a way that has amplified effects long term, or at least reverberating effects long term.
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	We lost Paul for a moment there, but he's back.
	And I'm really glad of the opportunity to talk to you.
	Paul, I wanted to run you through some of my new products from Reborn and to get your absolute insight.
	Now, I know there's going to be a lot of variation in this.
	So, like, you know, as far, I just mean in general, the product, bovine colostrum.
	Is that a good idea?
	Colostrum is great.
	There's actually good data with doses of two to three grams of colostrum per day in terms of gut health, immune health.
	Yeah, colostrum is the first milk from cows.
	And usually when they're collecting colostrum, I mean, they always leave enough for the calves.
	It's just, it's interesting that across species, the immunoglobulins and colostrum are beneficial for humans, probably for the gut and recovery in general.
	So yeah, colostrum is amazing.
	Like animals are incredibly valuable for humans, man.
	They make all kinds of nutrient-rich foods.
	What about creatine powder?
	Is that good?
	Creatine is great.
	There's been a lot of buzz about creatine recently.
	Doses from five to 20 grams a day have been studied to find benefit.
	Five grams a day of creatine is beneficial probably for muscle strength, recovery, explosivity.
	10 grams a day has been studied for osteoporosis in women.
	So I think about this from my mom, who's 75 years old.
	So if you have someone in your life who has bone density issues, you might go up a little bit, eight or 10 grams of creatine a day.
	20 grams of creatine is a mega dose that I wouldn't do every day, but there is some evidence that in the setting of sleep deprivation, 20 grams of creatine might push more creatine across the blood-brain barrier and help with cognition.
	Now, I mentioned creatine earlier in the podcast.
	What's cool about this is that creatine is something that only occurs in animal foods.
	But in order for you to get five grams of creatine a day, you'd have to eat probably two pounds of meat per day.
	Most of us are not eating two pounds of meat per day.
	So it's a valuable compound that is made by the body, but supplementation appears to be very beneficial for humans and it's incredibly safe.
	There's really no evidence that it has any issues with the kidneys or anything.
	So creatine is amazing.
	Because I was a bit worried about my kidneys.
	I went to have a test to see whether or not I should get supplemented testosterone and it came back that I had a word that sounds a bit like creatine, but isn't creatine.
	I bet you know what that word is.
	Like creatinine.
	Creatine.
	Yeah, that.
	And I was like, oh, no.
	And the doctor said, come off the creatine for a bit.
	And I'm really regretting.
	I want to get back on the creatine.
	I want to get back on it.
	Do you think it does affect the kidneys, can affect the kidneys?
	No, no, it doesn't affect the kidneys at all.
	So I need to counsel your doctor on this.
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	So one of the breakdown products of creatine is creatinine, but creatinine is not harmful to the body itself.
	Creatinine is a compound that we use to estimate your glomerular filtration rate.
	So in kidney disease, people's creatinine will go up.
	Creatinine is a breakdown product from the muscles, from the creatine in the muscles.
	But creatinine is just a marker for kidney function.
	So if you're eating more meat, if you have more muscles or you are taking more creatine, your creatinine will go up, but that doesn't mean you have any issues with your kidneys.
	Your doctor needs to get a separate test.
	It's called a cystatin C, which doesn't, it's not affected by creatine at all.
	So creatine will falsely elevate creatinine.
	Creatinine is not harmful for you, but because we use creatinine levels to estimate your glomerular filtration rate, the glomeruli are these little, these little apper, these little cellular organelles, you know, macrocellular organelles in the kidney where you filter your blood and it turns into urine.
	But the amount of sort of plasma that the glomeruli in your kidneys can filter is how we estimate how well your kidneys are functioning.
	And creatinine can cause confusion there, but it's not harmful.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes, it does make sense.
	I'm actually struggling not to fall in love with you, especially when I'm looking at your biceps.
	And I say that as a heterosexual man.
	I'm looking at the vascularity and the muscle mass.
	I'm using this for such obvious personal stuff now.
	I literally will start taking creatine again.
	Thankfully, I've got my own brand of it now because I'd stopped it during that time.
	Now, what about this product, beef cooking tallow?
	Why is beef cooking tallow better than seed oils, or is it better than seed oils?
	I mean, obviously, I have seed oils.
	I think it's much better than seed oils.
	I think it's much better than seed oils.
	So, when you heat an oil up, the more fragile oils are the oils that have more polyunsaturate, more degrees of unsaturation in the oil.
	They're more fragile.
	This is just basic organic chemistry.
	This is called like the peroxide index of an oil.
	And so, seed oils, one of the reasons seed oils are problematic is that they're highly polyunsaturated.
	And polyunsaturated fats per se are not bad for humans in the right amounts.
	Historically, I don't think humans have eaten a lot of polyunsaturated fats.
	If you look at hunter-gatherer tribes like the Chimine of Bolivia or other tribes, they get maybe, you know, a very, very small amount of their calories from polyunsaturated fats, one, two, three percent.
	Because we are swimming in seed oils, almost literally today, we're getting 10 to 15 percent of our calories from soybean oil, canola oil.
	They're in everything.
	They're in salad dressings, they're in bread, they're in cookies, they're in cakes, they're in their, you know, McDonald's fries are fried in a mixture of four different seed oils, canola and soybean, and all these things.
	When we're getting that many polyunsaturated fats into our bodies, we have to work, our body has to work really hard to keep these fats from oxidizing because of all the unsaturation points, which are double bonds in the molecules.
	So, it gets a little technical here, but fats are long chains of carbons.
	And at one end, it's a carboxylic acid.
	But the long chain of carbons, if there's a double bond between two of those carbons, it's called an unsaturation.
	A double bond between two of the carbons makes the molecule kinked and it makes it more susceptible to oxidation, which is a loss of electrons.
	This is just to say that polyunsaturated fats are more fragile, and saturated fats are more robust.
	And so, what have humans eaten throughout all of our history?
	A pretty significant amount of saturated fat.
	We never feared animal fat.
	Tallow is a tried and true fat.
	In 1900, for instance, there were essentially very, very few, essentially vanishingly small amounts of seed oils in the human food supply.
	99% of the fat that we ate was butter, lard, and tallow.
	And rates of heart disease were essentially zero.
	So, this is really interesting to me.
	Now, correlation is not causation.
	Seed oils come into the human food chain in around 1911.
	Proctor and Gamble created Crisco and we kind of went downhill from there.
	But they're very fragile fats, especially when you cook with them.
	So, for cooking, you want stable fats like butter or ghee or tallow because they're more saturated.
	Tallow is essentially a 50-50 mixture of monounsaturated and saturated fat.
	It has maybe 1% polyunsaturated fat, but it's a very stable fat for cooking because those saturated fats don't become oxidized.
	That is broken when they're heated.
	There's a crazy study, I'll just say this and then I'll pause, where they actually looked at seed oils in the fryers of restaurants that made french fries.
	And when you heat a seed oil, whether it's corn or canola or soybean, they break down into molecules that are found in cigarettes.
	One of these molecules is called acrolein.
	These are known carcinogens, they're aldehydes.
	And the amount of these carcinogenic compounds found in a large serving of french fries was equivalent to smoking 20 cigarettes.
	So, people lose their mind when I say this and they misquote me and say, you know, I'm saying seed oils are worse than cigarettes.
	But if you are eating French fries cooked in seed oils, which most of the U.S. population is, you are essentially getting an equivalent dose of smoking a pack of cigarettes of many of these carcinogenic compounds.
	This is the problem with heating seed oils.
	You don't want to do that.
	Tallow doesn't have that problem.
	That's unbelievable.
	It's crazy, right?
	In a minute, I want to ask you how much we'll get away with, but I just want to run through the rest of my brand because I'm never going to get the opportunity for this consultation with you again.
	Well, I will, I hope I will, but I want to take this one.
	So these are tallow balms for the face.
	This one's a nighttime one with lavender essential oils, and this is morning with vanilla and citrus.
	Is there any evidence to suggest it's good for the skin?
	Is that a good idea for us to use these?
	There's a lot of anecdotal evidence.
	I don't think there's any controlled trials for tallow.
	I put tallow on my face all the time.
	There's a lot of anecdotal evidence now for people putting tallow on your face.
	The idea here is interesting to me because if you, I mean, you know, if you live in a place that's that has humidity, you can tell that your skin is hydrated and it has oils in it.
	And the cell membranes of your cells are made from essentially oils or derivatives of oils.
	So when you put an oil onto your skin, those oils become incorporated into the epidermis.
	And the concern here is that if you're putting things on your face that are full of these polyunsaturated fats, is that affecting the epidermal skin, the cell membranes, and making those membranes more fragile?
	They've shown this in animal models.
	When they feed mice or rats or rabbits seed oils, they are much more prone to getting skin cancer when exposed to ultraviolet light.
	And you can put these seed oils on the skin and show that it creates DNA damage and oxidative stress in epidermal cells.
	So people might not think like, I'm not putting seed oils on my skin.
	Well, look at what's in your skincare.
	A lot of skincare does have seed oils and some sunscreens contain seed oils.
	So we need to be careful about what we're putting on our skin.
	Tallow, I think, anecdotally is great.
	And historically, a lot of cultures have also always put olive oil on their skin.
	And olive oil has much lower levels of polyunsaturated fat than most seed oils.
	Olive oil is really a fruit oil.
	Seed oils are refined, bleached, deodorized.
	If you look at a seed oil factory, it looks like a tire factory.
	There's black smoke billowing out.
	It's a huge thing.
	They have to like heat the oils to 450 degrees.
	They use hexane and other solvents to extract it.
	It's a chemical plant.
	This is not, you know, when you make tallow, you just heat beef fat and there it is.
	When you make olive oil, you press olives.
	The same way that when you were talking earlier about the complexity of the mitochondria, I felt the presence of God in the evident ingenuity.
	Indeed, what is ingenuity other than the felt presence of some divine power that seems to supersede even the upper echelons of our great gift reason?
	I feel when I hear you describing seed oils, like the presence of actual evil, because I don't think that even if Procter ⁇ Gamble with that first early seed oil, even if it was just blunt profit at the beginning of it, once we know these are like, you know this, why is Paul Saladino not working for the UK government or the US government?
	Why is this information not being implemented at the level of policy?
	The answer, obviously, is profitability, but perhaps it's something even darker than that.
	That's what I sometimes think.
	They say wisdom is acting on knowledge.
	Once you know that seed oils have a carcinogenic component, why would you not immediately say, right, well, we better stop that?
	And then you only have to look at the way that they behaved around Johnson ⁇ Johnson baby powder, the way that they behaved around Purdue and the opioid crisis, what seems to be the obfuscation of truth around the pandemic era and the issue of various vaccines.
	Paul, can I ask you what seems in this crazy climate to be, I suppose, a personal question.
	Do you take vaccines at all?
	Did you take COVID vaccines?
	Would you, I don't know if you have children or not, would you, do you vaccinate your children?
	Okay.
	This is the lightning rod issue.
	So when I was a child, I didn't get to make a choice.
	And my parents gave me what in the 1970s and 80s was a full set of vaccines.
	I'm 48 years old.
	So when I was growing up, I had a much smaller number of vaccinations than are given to children today.
	Since I have had agency over what goes into my body, I have chosen to not receive vaccines.
	And that includes the COVID vaccine.
	So I did not receive the COVID vaccination and I chose to leverage my metabolic health, you know, and I did get COVID and it was fine.
	And so that's a sort of a really important conversation.
	The vaccination conversation is very personal.
	And I'll just say this to frame it.
	I think that this is up to any individual parent.
	And I wouldn't want my intentions around this to affect anyone's judgment.
	It's very, very personal.
	But I will say that I don't have children right now, Russell, but I'm hoping to create them very soon.
	I have a really, really wonderful girlfriend.
	And we're hoping that, hopefully we're going to work on that soon.
	Using penis and sperm and uterus and ovum, the technique.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You're not the only scientist, Paul.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'll tell her that tonight.
	We'll get to work.
	And so the thing about vaccinations is that the more that I learn about the history of illness and the potential negative downsides of vaccinations, the more concerned I am about vaccinating, the more concerned I am about giving my children vaccinations.
	I think that there is a lot there for me to learn increasingly.
	And I think that there are people who know much more about this than I do.
	And so it's a real tricky issue.
	But I think that at this point, I have some pretty big concerns about vaccinations for children in general.
	And I will say this.
	I think that anytime that people are not allowed to talk about side effects from medications or vaccinations, there's something sinister going on beneath the surface.
	Why is it that during COVID and during even now, anyone that talks about vaccine-related side effects or negative consequences is immediately silenced and derided.
	That to me is just very concerning.
	So there's a lot to question about these for humans.
	And I think that no matter what we decide about vaccinations for our families, we should be very clear about the fact that there do appear to be some children that are harmed negatively by vaccinations.
	And I think we need to try and understand how we know which children those might be, how we treat them in those situations.
	And we need to give presence to those voices in society and say, why are these, you know, why are these voices being silenced?
	Like if a mother really thinks that their child was harmed by a vaccination, we need to learn about that and try and understand if there's something about that child's history or physiology or physiognomy that is making them more susceptible to these things.
	This is a big deal for humans.
	I think that there are many children that receive vaccinations that don't appear to have any negative consequences.
	But how tragic is it when a child is vaccinated and that could cause a negative thing for the child?
	So there's, it's a very, I think it's a more complex road to navigate than it's made out to be.
	Yes, I think you're quite right about that.
	This book, Forbidden Facts by Gavin DeBecker, is an extraordinary series of beautifully, beautifully rendered accounts of, among other things, the way that the Institute of Medicines has been used to verify a variety of harmful commodities and chemicals, starting with Agent Orange and maybe going all the way up to the COVID vaccine.
	And what Gavin DeBeker has done rather brilliantly as an author is provide all of his working out access through QR codes to all of the studies that he's using.
	And also, when it comes to the manufacture of vaccines, which you alluded to your own studies of the inception and development of, he points out how many extraordinary chemicals, aluminium, mercury, and a variety of other sort of Macbeth, well, you know, Macbeth-like sort of substances that have been, I'm an actor still at heart, deployed, excuse me, peculiar chemicals and concoctions that have found their way into vaccines.
	And yeah, the very fact that there's so much heat around it, Paul, indicates something's going on, doesn't it?
	I think it does, Russell.
	It doesn't seem, why can't we talk about it?
	You know, why can't I understand?
	It was silenced during COVID.
	It's being silenced now.
	It's just, it's concerning to me.
	So there's more to learn there.
	On the personal level, then, because I want to make sure that I don't leave this conversation without the full benefit of your excellence, when it comes to me and my wife and my three children, whole foods, organ, whole foods, organic, minimum amount of chemical intervention is what you would suggest.
	Avoid sucrose, avoid processed.
	And if that's true, and I know that it is, I know, I know, can see actually just from looking at you, one, that you're extremely healthy, and two, that you're telling the truth.
	If that's true, what does that sort of suggest?
	Doesn't it sort of suggest that we are sort of designed to be in total harmony with nature and that our attempts to counterfeit, manipulate, control, synthesize are, if not demonic, because it's such a loaded word, certainly bad for us and maybe bad beyond that, that once we have this knowledge base, that we don't act on it.
	So is it basically eat natural food?
	Is that essentially the message for me and my family and for our audience today?
	Eat food for humans.
	I would say eat food for humans, you know, and like we said, you know, that's single ingredient foods, foods with labels your great grandmother would recognize, eat food for humans.
	And that's, that's really, that's the first step, but that's a huge step.
	That's a step function change.
	You know, you do that and watch what happens.
	And I know that your health has improved radically.
	I mean, your physique looks amazing now.
	Does it?
	And yeah, it's incredible, dude.
	That's incredible.
	It's incredible.
	And I mean, I, you know, I didn't see your abs when you were a vegan or vegetarian, but like, this is amazing.
	And I just want people to understand that so much of what we are suffering from as humans is fixable by simply going back to eating food for humans.
	So eating like humans and living like a human.
	Which, and, you know, living like a human is more obvious, but we could, you know, mention like go outside, get sunlight in your eyes, you know, be careful of, you know, your screens and touch the earth with your bare feet every once in a while and play with your children outdoors.
	Live like a human, have community, but then eat like a human.
	And that gets so complicated.
	But you're a great testament to the fact that meat, animal foods are at the center of every human diet if you want to thrive.
	And so that's just such an important thing for people to understand.
	Like you said, documentaries have convinced many of us otherwise.
	And I think that's just tragic because so many people have had their health suffer or had their health decline when they eliminate meat.
	Oftentimes with the best intentions, they reclaim their health when they reincorporate meat.
	And to me, that's a huge victory.
	So yeah, it doesn't need to be overly complex.
	Eat food for humans, you know, and make sure that animal foods are at the center of your diet.
	They don't have to be all of your diet.
	You know, if you want to eat rice or you want to eat sourdough bread or you want to eat potatoes, great.
	But just, you know, you want to eat salad, fantastic.
	Don't eat seed oils.
	That's not food for humans.
	You know, your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize that.
	You know, don't eat processed sugars.
	Those are really problematic for the gut flora.
	But most other things work for many people.
	Like if you just eat animal foods and unprocessed plant foods, you're going to do great.
	And so many of the things that you're suffering from are going to be reversed.
	And you're going to go see your doctor and they're just going to kind of wide-eyed look at you and go, what are you doing?
	And you just say, I'm eating food for humans, dummy.
	You never told me to do this.
	It was the simplest thing ever.
	Like I've been told by you and other friends in medicine, you spend very little time in your medical training focusing on food because the medical profession has been captured by pharmacology, it seems, and industrialized aspects of medicine for reasons that are plain, profitability and perhaps something beyond that.
	I'm getting right back on the creatine.
	I'm going for the top-level stuff.
	I want to touch before I get, I would love to touch on methylene blue once more.
	Like when I heard about SSRIs and how ineffective they were and how potentially dangerous they were and for how long SSRIs and various other antidepressants dominated the marketplace and was prescribed, it makes me wonder about what you said about methylene blue, which, by the way, I'm bringing up again because I have some of those in my brand.
	What it makes me think is that I'm probably one of those people that you say would potentially benefit from it even with even when you account for its complexity, Paul.
	Because, you know, I don't know how to best describe it.
	I've had a lot of problems with addiction.
	I've had a lot of problems with mental health most of my life.
	Listening to you, I feel like, oh my God, if my mum hadn't been feeding me on Finders Krispy pancakes and burgers, frozen foods, the food that everyone ate where I grew up and the food we were all told that we were supposed to eat when I grew up, you know, then maybe it would be different.
	But in the same way that when you were talking about veganism then, I sort of thought that there probably should be a priest class of like almost Jain people that, you know, wouldn't literally wouldn't hurt a fly or a flea and don't eat meat because it's their religion.
	I can see why some people would be that devout in a kind of Greta Thunberg way, like someone that's just super devout and really believes in what they believe in.
	But ow.
	Oh, crap, Paul.
	Electrolytes.
	I need the electrolytes.
	Idiocracy.
	Idiocracy.
	I need the electrolytes.
	Oh man, I've done so much.
	I've done hot yoga today.
	Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
	I need the electrolytes.
	I said to the people making my brand, I need electrolytes.
	But like, yeah, like that's what it's like.
	Do you think that it's possible that people say with addiction issues or people that are marginal, what do you think is the difference when it, because we've talked a lot about nutrition and observable anatomical health.
	Now, I know mental health is obviously a subset of overall health because it's all in the body.
	All these systems are obviously holistic and interconnected.
	But I wonder what you feel, like people that have had addiction issues and mental health issues.
	Do you think there's a dietary or supplementary component that needs to be specifically addressed?
	Certainly, it's very complicated.
	And I think it's probably a bio-individuality thing, you know, on a case-by-case basis.
	But yeah, I think that, you know, there's things.
	Is it methylation?
	You know, do you need more of methylated B vitamins?
	Is it something in the mitochondria?
	And there definitely are people who have, let's just say, like impaired mitochondrial cellular respiration for whom methylene blue can be helpful.
	I just think it's important to understand the mechanism.
	And so, yeah, these things are possible at the cellular level and it's very individual.
	That's another thing that's a piece of this.
	And this is humbling for me because I've sort of changed my mind about this over the years.
	Like, I don't think there's any one size fits all formula for people other than just eat food for humans, right?
	Like love your family, be outside, do something that makes you feel awe and just eat food for humans.
	That's a good start.
	But otherwise, there are definitely individual differences between humans.
	What works for me may not work for you and vice versa.
	So there is some sort of a process, which is a beautiful thing of every human going through this individual hero's journey to understand what your body needs to be most optimally healthy at a cellular level.
	I can't believe the success of your books, the Carnivore Code and the Carnivore Code Cookbook.
	And now, what is your latest book and what are you tackling?
	How are you going to change society now?
	You've turned me from a vegan to a carnivore with your meddling.
	Now, where are you dragging us next, Saladino?
	So, you mentioned it earlier in the podcast.
	There are too many propaganda vegan documentaries.
	So, I'm working on a documentary.
	It's going to be out next year, probably in the summer.
	And it's a documentary about eating food for humans.
	And I, you know, it's a documentary about how returning to what we've always known as humans, how remembering where we've come from can really heal us.
	So, that's exciting.
	So, I'm working on a documentary.
	I'm also working on a book.
	The book is getting close.
	The book will probably be out late next year sort of, you know, timeframe.
	So, those two things are coming.
	And I just, I'm excited about those things because there is a need, I think, for humans to just have some sort of guidance there.
	And I want more people to understand that their medical issues are fixable with simple means, you know, not with pharmaceuticals, but by just returning to real food.
	More specifically, here at home in Costa Rica, I just bought a sort of run-down hotel on the beach and I'm going to renovate it.
	And I'm going to make it into what I think will be the most based hotel in the world.
	We're going to have red lights and sauna cold plunge, a pool with no chlorine, ozone.
	We're going to serve grass-fed meat and raw milk.
	So I'll keep you posted about that.
	You guys got to come down and see my hotel.
	It's going to be a few months to renovate it, but I bought a hotel on the beach here and it needs a little renovation.
	And then I'm going to make a place for people to come together because I feel like the other piece of this is community.
	And we're going to this increasingly digitized world and that bothers me.
	You know, I wish we could do this in person.
	I hope we get to hang out again in person soon, but humans need community and we need to be together in person with people.
	And so I wanted to create a space in the world.
	It's going to be humble.
	It's not grand.
	I didn't buy like a freaking, you know, four seasons, but I bought a small space for people to come together and just be united around shared values on the beach here in Dominicao, Costa Rica.
	So that's exciting.
	Dominicao.
	Do you think it's going to be more like retreats rather than just rock up and come and stay at Paul Saladino's hotel?
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	I kind of like the idea of both.
	I do an animal-based gathering every year, which isn't really a retreat as much as it is just a community building thing here in Costa Rica.
	Anyone can come.
	Yeah, the details of that are at AB.
	Actually, you go to animalbasedgathering.com, I think, or dot org, animal-basedgathering.org if you want details about that.
	I don't make any money from that.
	All the money goes to my nonprofit.
	But I do sort of like a retreat type thing every year in Costa Rica.
	I think I want to do them quarterly at the hotel, but I also just want to have a space where people can just arrive and you're you, the chances that you're going to meet people that have shared values around living a certain way and prioritizing health, community, nutrient-dense foods and probably other values of living, getting out of the matrix, non-digital, you know, life.
	That's exciting to me because I think that that would be cool to me.
	You know, if I knew there were somewhere in the world, whether it's Costa Rica or Sweden or wherever, that I could go and there's going to be people that are just there that have shared values, that's amazing.
	You know, meeting new people is so valuable for humans.
	So it'll be both.
	I want to come there.
	I'd like to do a retreat for our whole organization at your hotel when it opens and cover.
	Because for me, that's like I spend all my time, like when I'm traveling or touring, I'm like, I want to be able to have saunas.
	I want to be able to have cold plunges.
	And it's nice when you find yourself in an environment where these kind of synthesized versions are not required, where you can't just get in cold water because it's cold or you can be outside because it's warm or whatever it is.
	But I've got to say that since I got cleaned from drugs, since I've come to our Lord, like these things are, these kind of obsessions, it almost shows me what the addiction was if it had been correctly directed.
	It's not a malfunction.
	It's just misdirected.
	It's just, it's appetite, it's energy is what it really is.
	It's spirit.
	Like if you have a lot of spirit and you live in environments where it's like, oh, probably you should just watch porn and eat chocolate, then you're going to eat chocolate and watch porn in a very kind of capacious and enthusiastic manner.
	Really, if we're directed towards health and vitality, then we will flourish and thrive.
	So thank you, Paul Saladino, for taking responsibility for that, for en masse and reaching so many people, changing so many lives, including my own.
	Thank you.
	You're very welcome.
	I'm humbled and honored to get to do it.
	You know, like I said in the beginning, I just see myself as a conduit.
	I don't think necessarily that any of the ideas come from me.
	I think it's something bigger.
	And I'm just trying to be the best conduit that I can be for those things.
	And I'm honored to get to be that conduit.
	And I just, I'm excited to keep doing it.
	Good.
	Hopefully you'll come to Jesus soon.
	You know, I grew up Catholic and I certainly appreciate beauty, you know, and I think that's the first step.
	I don't think that I've completely gone away from Christianity.
	I tend to be more of just church's nature, but I definitely believe in something bigger than me.
	You know, when I'm out in the ocean, I'm in the jungle and in these places, I hope you do come to Dominical and I can show you the river below my house and these ocean and the waves that I surf in.
	It's a beautiful place.
	So I'm close.
	Of course you are.
	And I'm not surprised you surf either.
	Of course, of course, naturally.
	Hey, what was the last disgusting thing you ate?
	What was the last time you ate something wrong?
	I don't mean disgusting like a kangaroo's bollock.
	I bet you do that all the time.
	I mean like something like, oh, that you thought, oh no, I shouldn't be eating that.
	I think that one of the things that I've been blessed with, Russell, is discipline.
	It's been a long time.
	It's been more than a decade, perhaps 15 or 20 years.
	Who knows?
	You know, I remember.
	You're a priest.
	You're a monk.
	You're a monk.
	You've not eaten like a bag of Doritos or a can of Coke.
	You just, that'll be again, it's against your religion.
	It doesn't work for me.
	It doesn't do anything for me psychologically.
	For me, the negative salience of that is very strong and it's never appealed to me.
	I think it's just, it's a blessing and a curse.
	You know, I'm very, I'm very disciplined with that.
	And I would rather not eat.
	And you'll see, I mean, if you talk to people that I travel with, I just bring all of my food everywhere with me.
	I don't, I don't mess around with this because I just feel so bad.
	It's been such a long time.
	I'll tell you, I've never really been a big drinker.
	The last time I had half a beer was when I was a freshman in medical school, which was many, many years ago.
	So I haven't had, and that was probably the last, I mean, probably sometime in medical school, I had something like that.
	That was, you know, over 15 years ago, long time ago.
	I'd like to think that your girlfriend works at like KFC and like eats like Twizzlers and like nerds and like cans of tab.
	Paul Saladino falls in love with like a woman that can't, that lives entirely on red dye and fake foods.
	Oh man, it's so like, it's so useful.
	I tell you, you're going to make even more.
	I know you've made an incredible impact and had incredible success already.
	I know that you righteously understand it to be something that's kind of flowing through you, but I'm very, very interested in seeing what future success you have and what else you do.
	Come to Costa Rica, brother.
	I'll see you here.
	I went like, I mean, I've just got back from El Salvador, man.
	That place is pretty crazy.
	And I went to Costa Rica not that long ago.
	I'm going to come there.
	I'm going to come over with like Hiram Gracie and some like bear grills.
	I'm going to come there with a bunch of badasses.
	We the the hotel that I bought has a huge yoga deck upstairs.
	So we could put mats down.
	You guys could just roll.
	That's it's a huge open space.
	We could put mats.
	We could do a big jiu-jitsu seminar there.
	It's amazing.
	And it looks right out at the ocean.
	It's incredible.
	It's a huge space.
	Yeah, we'll have grass-fed meat, raw milk.
	It's going to be amazing.
	Yeah, that's for me.
	That's the kind of thing I dream about now.
	It used to be like cocaine and heroin and sex workers.
	Now it's like, oh, Paul Saladino and a cold plunge.
	That'll do me.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	And some jiu-jitsu is sweaty dudes.
	Yep.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like they're very good at jiu-jitsu.
	Oh, man.
	All right.
	Well, Paul, thank you very much for joining us today on stay free.
	Thank you for having me on.
	Thank you for having me on.
	I'll just tell you this, guys, because we don't even, the hotel is so new.
	I don't even have a website, but it's going to be called Humano, like human in Spanish.
	So the hotel is going to be called Humano.
	So if you just search Humano, Dominicao, Costa Rica, eventually we will have a website and people will be able to come in a few months once we get it renovated.
	It's going to be amazing.
	It's going to be great.
	It's great.
	It's going to be great.
	I'm going to be in touch with you.
	I'm serious about that thing.
	Thank you.
	Absolutely, man.
	It's great to connect with you.
	I hope we get to hang out in person again soon.
	Sometimes I'm in Florida.
	Are you up?
	Are you North Florida?
	Yeah, my girlfriend is from South Florida.
	I'm in the Panhandle.
	I'm in like between Destiny and Panama City around that bit.
	So Tallahassee.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I get down there.
	My girlfriend's going to see the Palm Springs folks.
	Like Dr. Oz is down there sometimes and Kennedy and that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Maybe I'll cross paths with you there.
	I may spend some time in Miami.
	My girlfriend is right now living in St. Pete, but she's going to be here in Costa Rica with me.
	So I'll let you know anytime I'm in Florida, maybe we cross paths.
	I'd love to.
	I'm going to tell you plainly.
	All right, Paul, send me a text.
	I'm going to come see you in Costa Rica.
	Cheers, man.
	All right, brother.
	Thank you so much.
	I'll talk to you soon.
	Praise Jesus.
	See you later.
	Thanks, Russell.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Well, that's all the time that we've got.
	What an interview.
	What an ending.
	What a show.
	What a guy.
	The abs are coming through.
	I've never felt healthier.
	Thank you so much to Paul Saladino and thanks for you.
	We will be back for a live show at this time, at this date, on this day.
	Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

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