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Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brown and Jay Russell Conspiracy Theorist trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
Hello there, you're awakening wonder.
Thanks for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brown.
We're having some complications over on Rumble because JD Vance sat in for the sadly departed Charlie Kirk on Charlie Kirk's posthumous show.
We'll show you a little of that later if you want to see it.
I feel like most people in this space are feeling a little bit of bewilderment at this point.
It's difficult not to, isn't it?
Because it's since the murder of Charlie Kirk on Thursday, God rest his eternal soul, there's been extreme reactions, extreme feelings, and even just here in the office where we are in the Florida panhandle.
There's like a 14-year-old kid out there, little dear old Gabe, who's got cerebral palsy, who's really like impacted and affected and frustrated by it.
I realize that since the murder of Charlie Kirk, a different Charlie Kirk has emerged, Charlie Kirk, as an emblem and token of rhetoric and argument for both sides.
People will vie for how the item, the object of Charlie Kirk is subsequently utilized through hagiography, eulogy, condemnation and criticism.
And I suppose in a way, that's no different than any other news event.
And when we were doing the show last Wednesday, which was the last live show we did prior to Charlie Kirk's murder, I was feeling a kind of sense of, I don't want to say fatigue because I'm not tired, but a kind of exhaustion that I periodically feel in this space.
This is prior to Charlie Kirk's murder, that just I think is, if I can try and explain it this way, when something seismic happens, an example of that would be the China and Russia meeting and the potential implications of new near-peer alliances that are opposed to America and Western interests, you might say.
It's almost impossible, impossible to analyze it.
And when cultural matters occur, whether they're insignificant events like Cracker Barrel changed its logo or somewhat more significant events like someone is murdered, there's such a fetid attempt to utilize it that it becomes, I think, if you're a participant, and in a way we are all participants now, that's what social media has done.
You know, here comes everyone being the sort of book that perhaps best outlined and defined that means that now we've all got a voice and there's aspects of us all having a voice that's tremendous.
It means you can't anymore ignore significant movements, whether that's conservatism or the kind of resurgent nationalism in the UK that's been celebrated, I would say, largely over the weekend.
We'll be talking to you about that in addition to matters related to Charlie Kirk.
It means that everyone now has a voice in a different way.
But also, as the people that are very keen to legitimize censorship in this space will tell you, a lot of information garners momentum prior to due process.
You know, like how you might, your first reaction, if someone cuts you up in traffic, might be angry and visceral, like, I'll kill you.
But then you might be, oh, hang on a minute.
This is not a life and death situation.
That's just a human being like me in that vehicle.
We can resolve this in conversation.
Well, I feel like we're being kind of sustained at that height now.
So we're going to talk about Charlie Kirk, obviously.
We're going to talk about this new political and cultural space that we're all participants in.
And I'm going to start by talking about something that is fascinating, but a bit grim and a bit bleak.
So we're going to have to be careful, okay?
And it's mostly, I want to talk about some of the reactions to Charlie Kirk's murder from the left, notably, and specifically, Bob Villain or Bobby Villain, which is a kind of, you know, when like a band is named after the main person, sometimes I can't tell.
Firstly, I don't think it's fair.
Like, I wouldn't want to be in a band if someone else in the band had named the whole band, like the Dave Matthews 5.
Like, I'm out.
Like, the band's got to be a composite of all of us, of all of our names, of all of our identity.
Anyway, that band, Bobby Villain, or Bob Villain, I can't remember, one's the name, one's the singer.
I think the band's called Bob Villain and the lead singer's called Bobby Villain, who at Glastonbury got into a kind of fra car for saying, hey, you want your country back and talking about Israel.
He has, like, I sort of kind of couldn't believe what I was watching.
I think he said, like, rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, you deserved it.
And like, well, this is what you get.
And I was firstly really shocked and disgusted.
Then I sort of got a few successive waves of, like, I remember reading last time that in spite of appearing like a kind of somewhat sexy and aggressive garage musician, he's, I think he went to like stage school and stuff like that.
So a lot of it's performant, it's performative.
And then I remembered that on September the 12th, 2001, I dressed up as Osama bin Laden and went to work that day when I was an MTV presenter.
And what was I thinking when I did that?
So I'm trying to hold in my mind my own tendency towards shock, prankster, inappropriate, foolish conduct myself.
Let's have a little look at some of the comments and responses from the left and from the right and see if we can see if there is anything of benefit to be taken and learned from the murder of Charlie Kirk last week that doesn't really just generate more tension, more sadness, more pain.
Because that can't be the net result of this, can it?
Firstly, let's have a look at this Bob Villon video.
Okay, do what numbers that doesn't have a number on the article.
That's right, yeah.
So it might f- Thanks, man.
I want to dedicate this next one to an absolute piece of shit of a human being.
The pronouns was, were...
You can't shit!
You real get the piece of shit!
Oh, shit.
Look, in a way, I'm just chatting to sort of a war veteran outside before who was saying one of the main problems that we have now is people are reposting content that's antagonizing in spaces where people will have a visceral and negative response to it.
So I was kind of reluctant even to play that.
But you know, there's something familiar about that to me, like the kind of person I was when I was in my 20s and an agitator and an agent provocateur.
And I wonder this.
I wonder if, in part, Charlie Kirk taking his turning point talks to public places in order to literally create debate and to have conversations not with people who automatically agree with you, but people who vehemently disagree with you and oppose you, has in a sense created, has contributed to a heightening sense of tension.
Even though I would agree with the idea that if you're to diffuse these kind of tensions, the solution is to have conversations with people that disagree with you, to not objectify.
Remember what I said earlier that Charlie Kirk has become an object of both the left and right, to not objectify your opponents.
Because see the temptation after that.
Imagine if you're a person who really loves Charlie Kirk or knew Charlie Kirk or have a bunch of things in common with Charlie Kirk or saw Charlie as someone who was speaking for you and articulating things for you or a bit of a champion of your views.
And look at some of the things that people I really love and admire and respect, like JD Vance and Robert Kennedy in particular have said about Charlie.
And of course I'm like really impacted by my own personal personal connection to Charlie Kirk.
The fact that he was something that was really when I've been in trouble and being attacked, Charlie Kirk's person that's stuck up for me and defended me and like that's one less person in the world that's going to do that now.
So I've like a sort of a personal reaction to it, of course, which is a very low note in this vast symphony of incredible reactions.
But when I see, you know, I was thinking, am I able to watch Bobby Villain there sort of saying stuff that's deliberately provocative and rude and kind of mean spirited and delighting in the sort of death of Charlie Kirk there and be compassionate?
And I thought, yeah, I think I probably can.
I think I can look at him and not empathize because we know that's a word that Charlie Kirk detested and it's a very psychiatric word.
But look at Bobby Villan and think, yeah, I remember what it's like to act kind of crazy to get attention.
I remember what it's like to sort of risk saying things like that in order to get a reaction.
And actually, Charlie Kirk, of all people, would be totally down to have had a chat with him, wouldn't he?
He would have been totally down to sit across a table and say, what is it that you believe in particular about Palestine and the genocide in Gaza?
What is it that you particularly want to say about that?
Like Charlie Kirk didn't shy away from those kind of conversations.
And I reckon that Charlie Kirk would have the spiritual maturity and fortitude to approach even that with forgiveness.
And what I'll say as well is that a lot of people I've seen on the left that are delighting in Charlie Kirk's murder, I think it feels kind of performative and showy.
Let me put it this way.
I don't know what goes on in Bobby Villan's mind or anyone that's using this moment as a kind of for leverage for their own social media.
And believe me, there's points where I think, I don't even want to talk about it anymore because I don't want to be a participant in this even in a kind of somewhat mild and analytical way.
But what I can tell you firsthand is when I was like 25 and working on MTV and like 9-11 happened, which obviously now as an adult, I look at that and think, oh my God, what a sort of an epochal, tragic, extraordinary event.
How does that affect the survivors, people that knew victims of 9-11, first responders, people that were in New York, people that were alive at that time, people that have relatives in the military?
What set of interests are encompassed by those who genuinely grieve 9-11?
And the next day after that, I went to MTV with like a fake beard on, a combat jacket, a tea tail wrapped around my head, nativity play style, and instead I was dressed as Osama bin Laden.
I remember my motivation was a kind of excitement.
I was excited that the world was changing, that something extraordinary was happening.
I'd read a little bit about al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
I wouldn't have yet seen Alex Jones saying that a group called Al-Qaeda are going to blow up the Twin Towers, even though he had five years before talked about that publicly.
I sort of saw it as an indication that the world was changing.
And indeed, the world did change.
Iraq was invaded, Afghanistan was invaded, the Patriot Act was introduced.
The internet went from being a place of inter-communication and openness to a place of surveillance and control.
Google realized that their business was not a search engine, but an advertising platform that would corral together information and pass it out to advertisers.
The world changed radically.
In my country, Tony Blair participated in the war against terror.
What I realize now is that an event in the news will never be allowed to be neutral.
People will find a way to deploy it and utilize it.
People will advertise their affection for Charlie Kirk, strengthen their feelings of grief, utilize his death to tell particular stories, or they will condemn him and attack him.
So I've watched people that are very much of the left talking about Charlie Kirk's death.
People on the right, I'm like, you, it's like all of us know this is something, isn't it?
This is a moment.
Because try and think of what's a comparable event.
There isn't one.
You might go, oh, what about the attempted shooting of Trump in Butler?
Because he's a right-wing figure.
Or you might probably, like Robert Kennedy did, you might have to reach back to the political assassinations of the 1960s to find something that resonates in this way.
But the truth is that even though Charlie Kirk's views were really traditional, conservative and Christian, he's a modern phenomenon as well because he's a social media activist.
And that's a pretty new phenomenon.
That's obviously contingent upon technology and new and independent media.
Whatever it is that motivated the person that murdered him, you know, do you feel like that's the most significant thing?
Because some people say, well, what do you expect with all of this?
This will be sort of a common trope now and a somewhat justifiable one.
With the constant condemnation of people of the right and the conflation of right-wing ideology with Nazis, isn't it clear that people would feel like that it was legitimate?
Indeed, all of us play around, don't we, with the idea of would it be right to go back in time and kill baby Hitler?
There's like a sort of a philosophical cliché.
And like most of us, you watching this and me now, are sort of within the margins of reason and normality on any given day, even though I recognize my own flexibility and vulnerability.
And if you're honest, you too, on your worst days, are fragile and have like moments of lashing vicissitude where you might reach out in anger.
Well, you know, what I suppose we're creating is environments where it becomes more and more permissible and likely that there will be events like this.
That's probably the biggest concern is the normalization of hateful vitriol as a ordinary method of communication.
And have you ever sent a text to someone or have you ever put a post in the comments?
I mean, there's posts in the comments right now.
I mean, I don't look at them sometimes.
He wasn't murder Russell.
The death was staged for us to have a reaction.
I would raise it.
That's pretty good.
I would raise Baby Hitler to be more strict with Jews.
I mean, look, sometimes you need a little bit of comedy to let the air out of some of this stuff.
But what I'm saying is, is online, we're all participating in creating communicative environments where extreme, that what passes as extreme is normal.
Think of something like, think of pornography.
When I was a kid, analog pornography was hard won and hard come by, forgive the pun.
Now pornography is abundant.
And not only is it more abundantly available, it's more extreme.
Like when I was a kid, first looking at pornography, I weren't looking at, you know, the kind of stuff that I understand is available now.
Thankfully, I've been freed from the need to look at pornography.
So do you think that something comparable has happened around rhetoric?
And do you think that's, yes, carry on with this porn analogy, actually?
This is pretty good.
Do you think that the availability and extremeness of porn affects people's actual sexuality in life?
It does, doesn't it?
Like kids can't get it up, I understand now, like young kids who are just beginning to be sexually active and are pursuing it as the culture dictates, promiscuous lifestyles were screwing around as normal.
Their understanding of sex and sexuality has been informed by porn.
Well, now people's political rhetoric has been informed by online rhetoric.
And I'm a participant in that.
You know, since I've been sort of quite young, not that long after even doing that Osama bin Laden stunt, I guess you would call it, sort of dressing up like that.
You know, that's where I felt like we need a revolution.
A revolution is what's required.
Now, like, even using language like that is, you know, it's incendiary.
Revolution, generally speaking, implies violence.
You have to put a prefix in front of it, like velvet revolution or peaceful revolution to dilute or undermine the idea that revolution is embedded with violence, or excuse me, violence is embedded within revolution.
I feel like this is going to be from now on, things are going to radicalize on both sides unless some people deliberately and actively participate in creating respect and decent, good-hearted dialectic.
And like that begins here, actually.
That begins here.
You know, you can't be disgusted, appalled, and kind of broken and confused by Charlie Kirk's assassination and then be angry and vitriolic about people that respond to it with delight.
In fact, I think the test is, the test is this.
Can you, if you're a person who admired Charlie Kirk or loved him even, be kind and compassionate when people are condemnatory?
I wonder if you can.
I wonder if you can.
Do you think it's done for attention or hatred, Russell?
Jim FC, in the case of the man there, in the case of the Bobby villain, my guess would be it's a kind of attention seeking.
Like, indeed, one might argue, even though if you watch images coming out of Gaza and then you run the normal test of, is this legitimate?
Is that legitimate?
Is that real?
Is that real?
How's this being used?
How's that been exploited?
Of course you feel deep compassion and a desperation for peace, a kind of desperation for peace in that region.
But I feel like if you're once you start to mobilize that issue for your own personal gain, I know, look, can I tell you something about social media?
What's interesting about working in social media?
You start in there and you're authentic.
You're just talking about what you actually care about.
So like for me, I've been doing this for a long time now.
Did you know I was doing this in the UK talking about British politics, talked a lot about Israel, talked a lot about the very, mostly British politics because I was living in Britain.
That was kind of different then because it weren't a viable business model.
Once it started to become viable for me was in COVID and in COVID, like I was like, oh my God, loads of people are watching these videos on YouTube then.
That was before Rumble.
And people were watching it.
So I was like, oh, right, let's just keep making this stuff.
And all of us are like, you're familiar with B.F. Skinner, the behavioralist.
All of us in a way are rats in a maze responding to rewards.
And the kind of videos that do well and the kind of thumbnails that do well and the kind of titles that do well, you do more of them.
And then you start to notice that these subjects and these views are more successful than these subjects and these views.
before you even made a decision, just in the sort of incentivized pursuit of success, which by the way is not a hideous motivation.
It's not like in the pursuit of screwing around, which is a pretty dumb motivation that I've pursued for a lot of my life.
You find that you've actually been molded and shaped by your culture and your conditions in ways that you sort of might not have consciously done if you'd had a better resource.
That's, I suppose, why I strongly believe that each of us individually, I'll speak for myself, but I think this is important for the culture as well, have to return to God.
Because when you accept Christ, it puts you, or obviously in my case, me, in a position of submission, not passive inaction, but I'm not in charge anymore of what I do.
It would be real disingenuous of me to suggest that I don't sort of try to claim control and authorship of my own life pretty regularly.
But I've submitted to Christ and I know what Christ means.
Christ means self-sacrifice.
He means kindness and compassion, forgiveness and the highest good.
Charlie Kirk was a Christian and a pretty serious Christian.
He was theologically extremely well informed and devout.
He obviously operated in a space where the alliance of Christianity and republicanism was explored and expressed and communicated.
That's what he was about.
Christian principles is what undergirds the Constitution.
These things are inextricable.
I am like, you know, I'm an Englishman living in your country, the United States of America, and I'm a patriot to the kingdom of Jesus Christ.
That's easy for me to do because I don't live in the country I'm from anymore.
And in the country I'm from, I've experienced such serious attacks from the culture, some of which is warranted actually because of my own selfishness and greed and foolishness and hedonism, that I can't, it sort of breaks my heart even to watch the football team I grew up watching, to tell you the truth.
You know, I can't love West Ham the way I loved West Ham before because I've sort of been attacked and drowned in the culture.
And the thing that I've emerged with from whether you want to see it as a drowning or a desert that's of great value is the culture is not real.
The culture has been captured.
The culture is controlled by the evil one.
This is obviously a Christian idea, but it's pretty clear too.
Why does the culture want you to eat bad food?
Why does the culture want you to argue about Charlie Kirk's death?
Why does the culture delight in amplifying exchanges of hate?
Because it is evil.
I'm not suggesting that any particular individual is evil, whether that's Keir Starmer or Donald Trump or Joe Biden or Macron or Trudeau.
We're all kind of like light bulbs plugged into a circuitry that fills us all with dark ideas unless we find another source.
And in my experience and my particular experience, that source can only be accessed when you're broken, when you have been broken.
And I think the Charlie Kirk murder may contribute to a lot of people's brokenness.
And in fact, I hope it does because it's the brokenness that's required.
If this generates nothing but exploitation and doubling down, with some people saying, well, you know, violence isn't ever justified, but let's face it, Charlie Kirk was pretty despicable and he was a provocateur and an agitator.
And in some ways, he got what he deserved.
Any version of that, I don't know how you can have that view and hold in your mind the idea that his wife and kids were there, like his wife and kids were there.
It's like such a reset.
It's such a reset of your reality.
It's such an etcher sketch of your reality.
Or if you're like, well, because this has happened, we have to annihilate free speech and this legitimizes further sanctions and controls and shutting people down and people on the left should be ashamed of themselves.
Like, that's not the right idea either.
If you're like, this is a no more bullshit time.
This is a no more bullshit time.
There's no question.
But that no more bullshit is not let's enhance hate and attacks on others.
That no more bullshit is what am I going to give up in myself now?
Am I going to give up financial security?
Am I going to give up wanting attention?
Am I going to give up caring that I'm getting older and that I'm going to die and that you're going to die?
What is it that I've got to give up here?
What have I got to give up?
Have I got to give up doing this show?
Like, what have I got to give up?
And I reckon watch yourself.
Watch if what you want from this is control or love.
I reckon this might be important to you.
Control is where you see yourself as a kind of personal sovereign of your own energy system.
Love is where you see yourself as a participant in a greater energy system.
I tried to keep that vague so that it was somewhat inviting.
But love is the instruction of God, is the nature of God, is the nature of Christ.
And real love means sacrifice.
That's what it means.
It means sacrifice and obedience.
And all these terms eventually collapse.
It means feel the gift of life that's within you, the gift of your breath, the gift of your body, all of these things that you didn't give yourself and be willing to act in the kind of grace that you have been the recipient of.
What does that look like?
That looks like, I suppose, praying for the soul of Charlie Kirk and the widow of Charlie Kirk and the children of Charlie Kirk, praying for Bob Villen and for his followers or fans or however you describe it,
and ensuring and ensuring that we are not, in spite of our colours, tribe or livery, just participants in polarization that will lead to further hate.
That we are not, that we at least are neutralized and stepping out of it.
But we're not doing that.
That we don't allow polar vitriol to determine normal discourse.
Remember back then in 9-11 when I was dressing up as Osama bin Laden, someone said to me, it's like there's extreme Muslims on one side that want to blow shit up.
And then there's extreme Christians, you know, because the rhetoric of George W. Bush and Tony Blair was Christian rhetoric and they were kind of, whether they know it or not, they were reaching to and relying on the language of Christianity for their war and part of their empire is dependent upon that.
The extremists on both sides are...
We have to step away from the extremists on both sides and really we have to probably acknowledge that that extremism is within us.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
If you're watching this on YouTube, we'll be with you for a little bit longer, but then we'll be exclusively available on Rumble.
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Over the past, this is out of modernity.
If you're watching this anywhere other than Rumble, come over to Rumble.
Although I'm aware that Charlie Kirk shows on it right now, innit with RFK.
Is it streaming now, Isaac?
Over the past several years.
I'm just reading this from modernity.
If it is, just let me know.
Over the past several years, Democratic leaders and their allies in the legacy media have relentlessly labeled conservative figures like Charlie Kirk as fascists, creating a toxic atmosphere that dehumanizes political opponents and implicitly justifies extreme actions against them.
Implicitly.
Implicitly, I suppose when you're saying someone's a Yeah, in a way, when you say someone's fascist or evil, you're in a way getting towards, you know, like they're like rats or they're like insects.
I mean, I don't know, like dehumanizing language or language where you say that a certain group are evil.
That's the beginning of legitimizing extreme responses.
Kamala Harris, for instance, repeatedly called Donald Trump a fascist during her abysmal 2024 campaign, a term echoed by commentators on MSNBC and CNN who painted Kirk and his turning point USA organization as a threat to democracy.
People, there is no democracy.
There is no democracy.
There are sets of institutions that remain unassailable and unavailable to the directives of public will, regardless of which political party is in power.
When people say democracy, they don't mean the ballot box and the will of the people.
They mean these very institutions that are protected and unassailable.
Make use where Curtin's, I need zero distraction.
Thanks, man.
This rhetoric amplified through social media cesspits such as Reddit, Blue Sky.
Is that Blue Sky or Blue Ski?
I've been like, yeah, I'd call it Blueski.
Portrays conservatives not as ideological rivals, but as existential dangers that must be eradicated.
In the case of Kirk's assassination, we now have it confirmed that the 22-year-old suspect Tyler Robinson was found with Antifa literature and had used ammunition inscribed with six scrollings about Kirk being a fascist, directly tying his motives to the very narratives pushed by leftist outlets.
Right, now, when we make this content later, I want you to put it together with this, Massey.
Okay, so look, here you've heard Tyler Robinson was found with Antifa literature and used ammunition inscribed with six scrollings about Kirk being a fascist.
Well, look at this from Daniel Pinchbeck's substack.
I want you to find these photographs where they've found Tyler Robinson dressed as Pepe the Frog.
Now, I've got to show you guys it.
I mean, I would say, isn't that just a track suit?
I mean, I think that's a sort of a bit of a reach, but elsewhere in the article it says he was described as a far-right groper who grew up in a gun-loving, Trump-loving Mormon family in Utah under the leadership of FBI director Cash Patel, a former extremist podcaster and conspiracy theorist.
The FBI flubbed their investigation, failing to find the shooter despite many clues.
Robinson's father, a minister, figured out it was his son from the photographs caught by security cameras and turned him in.
For those who don't know, gropers are an ultra-radicalized group of primarily young white men led by rabid extremist Nick Fuentes, a 28-year-old podcaster who screeches, cackles, and spews contempt like a, this is the writer's words, of course, like a tormented goblin.
Notable statements from Fuentes include, I am just like Hitler, being right-wing is all about hating women, being racist, being anti-Semitic, and the ever popular your body, my choice.
Unfortunately, we're seeing the ongoing mainstreaming of hate speech in the US, which ultimately leads to stochastic, I don't know that word, terrorism, vigilante violence, and it may get much worse.
So here, you have one source saying that Robinson, the murderer, is Tyler Robinson was found with Antifa literature and used ammunition inscribed with six scrollings about Kirk being a fascist.
And here, he is a supporter of Nick Fuentes.
Now, he can't be both of those things.
So which sources are being used by modernity and which sources are being used here by Pinchbeck?
What I reckon you might like, I know I do this myself.
I do it, where I'm more likely to do it is with, where I'm more likely to do it is around British politics.
Like when there are stories connected to British politics, say something about Keir Starmer, I'm like, I hope that that's true.
And like, why?
Why do I think it, why do I have a hope about like a negative thing about Kierstama being true?
I suppose because I want my sense that the British government is corrupt and that the British government collude with media and that we're living in an age of mass establishment tyranny through technocracy, which is, you know, a cadre of aristocratic experts in control and technological dictatorship.
We're in this formative moment where because of independent media's success and its measurable success in significant things like elections, centralized establishment are maneuvering to control it.
Whether that's with alliances with people in independent media, like, hang on a minute, we can just use independent media, which will be, say, for example, the Trump MAGA movement recognized that they weren't going to get good coverage on CNN, CMS, CBS, MSNBC or any of that.
So they started to form relationships with various right-wing podcasters.
That's kind of a sensible strategy and a natural one because people like Bongino and Crowder and God rest his soul, Charlie Kirk, were natural affiliates and activists.
And I know now from reading about it that Charlie Kirk's connection to the Trump family goes back a long time.
But I'm talking about Charlie Kirk as a podcaster and a media operator.
And it's understandable that people would seek alliances to broadcast and amplify their message.
That's what anyway, don't you see what I was saying?
Wouldn't it be nice if government were doing what they were meant to be doing, which is organizing utility and municipality, which by the way can't be done on a scale of 330 million people.
It has to be localized and decentralized maximally.
Wouldn't it be amazing if media were doing what they were supposed to be doing?
Here's the information.
You do what you want with it.
Wouldn't it be amazing if the judiciary were doing what they were meant to be doing?
Let's assess this information based on evidence.
But don't you know by now that everything has been captured?
And if we continue in the way that we have been operating, we're just quarreling about whether or not your team is in charge of these institutions or the other team.
That's just not a good long-term solution.
What we have now as a result of technology is a fractured media space and that is emphasizing the fractures in political spaces.
It's going to continue.
It's going to continue unless political alliances form that are not about opposition, but are in a sense about making themselves redundant.
The agenda must be to make themselves redundant.
Unless, and I'm just going to say this plainly, unless the political operatives you're affiliated with are saying, we are going to get money out of politics.
We're not going to accept donations.
We're not going to accept lobbying money.
Unless they're saying that, they're going to end up being controlled by the people that make donations and the people that fund lobbying.
So that's really significant.
If that doesn't happen, ultimately, these institutions have to either be decentralized or they're going to continue to legitimize their own fortification, legitimize centralizing their power.
That's happening in my country, the UK.
They'll use probably this march to say, oh, look, there's a rise of right-wing fascism.
Even actually, the fact that they always put a second prefix or unnecessary adjective in front of right-wing.
Right-wing just used to be a thing.
Right-wing, left-wing.
Now it's hard-right, far-right.
Do you think that the people could break down those terms?
What's right-wing and what's far-right?
And what's hard-right?
What do these things mean?
They're just ways of actually purguring, polluting, and tainting the term itself.
Those people are participating in the escalation.
Where I found myself now is this isn't, you're not going to, you know, like the famous Irish joke, I wouldn't start here if I were you.
I wouldn't start here if I were you.
Ongoing contributions and participation in the political conversation in itself is not going to resolve it.
There has to be an influx and importation of new energy and new power.
That's not going to come from you.
It's not going to come from the government.
It's not going to come from the media.
It can only come from God.
We need to receive a kind of bypass.
Let's have a look, though, at some of the, let's have a look to see if it will see what it does for us.
Let's have a look at what some of the left-wing commentary.
And then we'll talk about, but we'll talk also about the, we'll talk about what's coming out of the right also.
Let me ask you tonight.
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Yes, I do.
This is what kicking the shit out of fascism looks like.
Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the fascist chaos that's been unleashed against us.
So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism, a huge component of fascism, is uniting racism, bigotry, a form of racist nationalism.
We are now living in a fascist dictatorship.
We are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country.
We're worried about our democracy falling to an authoritarian and potentially fascist form of government.
Not only to roll over to Donald Trump's will, but to roll over our democracy and allow him to take over this country as a fascist dictator.
When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here.
The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, said, no one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist to his core.
Okay, so that's sort of like the priming and branding of the Republican and MAGA movement as fascist.
Some people like really, really truly believe that as well.
Here's, this is interesting.
This is Jimmy Kimmon's response to Charlie Kirk's death.
Let's see if this is a contribution that's likely to ease or escalate tension.
Because those kind of late night shows, even though they're in decline generally, they still represent what you might call a media mainstream.
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the senseless murder of the popular podcaster and conservative activist Charlie Kirk yesterday, whose death has amplified our anger, our differences.
And I've seen a lot of extraordinarily vile responses to this from both sides of the political spectrum.
Some people are cheering this, which is something I won't ever understand.
And we had another school shooting yesterday in Colorado, the 100th one of the year.
And with all these terrible things happening, you would think that our president will at least make an attempt to bring us together, but he didn't.
President Obama did.
President Biden did.
Presidents Bush and Clinton did.
President Trump did not.
Instead, he blamed Democrats for their rhetoric.
I suppose, um, I suppose I've said what I feel about this now.
Charlie Kirk represented a bunch of things.
Open discourse, speaking to people that you disagreed with, conservatism, republicanism, capitalism, and Christianity.
You love Jesus.
I'll talk more in a video that I'm going to make later about my connection with him and the conversations I've had with him and his encouragement around Christ.
I feel that the aspect of Charlie Kirk's legacy that's of most interest to me is his faith in Jesus.
Because I feel that we, in order to not be trapped forever in the static and tension of the culture war and political disputes, we have to transcend.
And I believe that there's only one pathway for that.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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So there was protest marches in the UK this weekend.
Let's have a look at that.
I think it was pretty surprising.
I'd like to start with the Trevor Phillips thing.
Where is that, mate?
Do you know what number that is, Isaac?
No, that was the one that was in the clip chat.
That was an ex post that we talked about just before.
We went live.
I think it's Extra, right, Jamie?
That's it.
62.
Britain is in an unstable state.
There are no political parties that represent the majority of people.
At the march this weekend to unite the kingdom, there are, of course, patriotic folk who will be affiliated with the right who will be condemned as racists for celebrating and campaigning for a degree, a modicum of control in their country.
There were also counter-protesters, as is always the case these days, who claim that these folks have no right to protest and that they're, well, no, they have the right to protest.
I'm sure they're not making that claim, but that they're lacking in decency and compassion.
We sent reporters actually there.
My mate Joe, he went to report on the matter.
What's interesting about this is that whether it's the people that are affiliated with nationalism and patriotism or the people that are affiliated with the rights of migrants.
And by the way, of course, as a Christian, being compassionate to vulnerable people is, well, there's nothing more important that you can be doing, actually, other than loving God.
And from love of God, this love of the vulnerable, the poor, the broken will flow naturally and organically.