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Watch With Us: Tommy Robinson – Silenced (Part 2) - SF608

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	Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Bran acting to bring real journalism to the American people.
	Hello there, you sick paedophiles.
	No, you're Awakening Wonders and I love you.
	Today is part two of our old Tommy Tommy.
	Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy Robinson special where we look at Tommy Robinson's documentary that was reposted by Elon Musk, which meant that in the UK, the government did do an inquiry into rape gangs rather than not doing an inquiry into rape gangs.
	So whatever they say about Tommy Robinson and whatever they say about Elon Musk, they are dictating and directing policy.
	And let me know in the comments and chat.
	I would say that if there are rape gangs in the UK raping young British women and have been for decades to the tune of thousands of victims, that maybe should have an inquiry into it.
	Hey, maybe the media should invest some time into that.
	Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
	We'll be with you wherever you're watching us, YouTube, X, whatever, for the first 20 minutes or so.
	Then we'll be exclusively available on our home.
	Rumble, advocates for free speech.
	When the government came for me, Rumble stood firm.
	When the old school legacy media stood up as judge during executioner, maybe they got some skinning game.
	The old legacy media was falling apart as a result of emergent independent media voices when it was exposed.
	They lied to us during the pandemic.
	When it was exposed that basically the establishment of the what is that media organization, global media organization that ensures that they are all in tune with one another, that the BBC, the New York Times, Google Alphabet are all members of, I'll do some research, I'll find out about it.
	But you'd think once someone's life's on the line, you'd learn it.
	But I hand over my life today to Christ Jesus and the men around me now.
	For example, Jake's here producing the show.
	You're right, Jake?
	I'm doing good.
	I'm falling in love with wearing glasses inside.
	Why not, man?
	You look cool.
	Who cares?
	And unbuttoning the shirt.
	It feels good.
	Yeah, we're sexy.
	We're sexy.
	Hey, if being sexy is a crime, turns out it is, actually.
	I'll tell you more about that over the coming months.
	Over here, Isaac, affectionately known as APAC.
	How's it doing, you beautiful member of the 12 tribes?
	Well, 10 of the tribes were annihilated and wiped out.
	The only two remained.
	That's what I understand.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you're obviously one of those two.
	That's good stuff.
	Now, I heard a rumor that one of the lost tribes are the English.
	Did you ever hear that conspiracy theory?
	I like the idea.
	I think I even saw that yesterday on like X or something.
	I think that's where I saw that.
	It was like, oh yeah, did you know that they actually ended up going to Europe and they ended up becoming the British?
	know, but I don't know how Have you ever had, oh, they're certainly in Hollywood, I'll tell you that much.
	Free Diddy!
	Like, you know, did you hear that, have you ever had one of them genealogy tests done where they nickel your bio data?
	Have you ever done one?
	I don't trust that.
	You don't trust it.
	I have one to someone.
	Whenever the company goes like, hey, we're not doing this anymore.
	Didn't that just happen?
	It was a scam.
	It was a mess.
	Yeah, you're basically giving your genetic data over to a company and you don't know what they're going to do with that after.
	So I don't trust that.
	I don't like it.
	Like, I would get it done if I knew that it was like locally stored data, but knowing that it isn't.
	You know what the Mormons actually apparently like ran like ancestry.com or one of those genealogies?
	Oh yeah, the Mormons.
	They've got fingers in a lot of pieces.
	The Mormons.
	Maybe the Mormons are running the global financial system.
	Maybe the Mormons are running the banks.
	Maybe the Mormons are running Hollywood.
	Who are all the heads of the major studios?
	Is it people like the Amish?
	Is it?
	Is that what we've got to watch out for?
	Well, who owns Bank of America?
	Look, I'm not going to sit and listen to you, Isaac APAC, blaming other religions for having a disproportionate impact.
	Bank of America, Berkshire Hathaway is a major shareholder.
	I don't know what that means.
	That's Warren Buffett.
	Buffett's a Protestant.
	All right, mate.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	God, he's not a Mormon.
	Rape, gang, jail.
	So what did your test prove?
	What did it show?
	Yeah, that's what I was trying to say before he started piping up.
	I was going to say, I got that type of Jewish inn that's really good, like the really smart ones.
	Saying like, Azzi Bajackadack, that one.
	Oh, Shkenazizi.
	I'm one of them.
	So try that on.
	How deep?
	It's deep, baby.
	It's deep.
	So you might actually be one of us, huh?
	Well, it wasn't that much.
	I don't know, but it was a little bit.
	It was a little bit of that.
	And I was pretty happy with it because they're the clever ones.
	Isn't like Freud a bit of that and Marx and all those great Jews of the 20s.
	Yeah, all the European Jews are labelled as Ashkenazi.
	And then the ones that were in Spain and Portugal are the Sephardic and they ended up after being expelled from Muslims.
	And he goes on, doesn't he?
	Yeah.
	Look, we're not interested in that crap.
	We're actually interested in Muslims because this is Tommy Robinson.
	Now, the thing that I love Tommy Robinson, actually, well, he's intense, isn't he?
	And I love the British working class.
	It's a class that I come from.
	I didn't feel like I fitted in when I was in it.
	Go look at my biography.
	The photographs are there of me being working class.
	You can see them if you want to.
	But the thing is this.
	The thing is this.
	I'm not like down with blanket condemnation of all Muslims.
	But I do generally believe, like, this is the way I look at it.
	If I moved to Japan, I'd go, okay, what are we doing then?
	This is it.
	Dressing up like little schoolgirls.
	Is that the thing we do here?
	And being really into kittens and cat cafes and being all a bit like sort of scarred by Hiroshima.
	Okay, I'd fit right in with a Japanese.
	I wouldn't say, oh wait, why don't we try, you know, supporting West Ham United, Ray Winston.
	Crack on with that, Japanese people.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So where do you stand?
	Let me know in the comments and chat where you stand on native cultures.
	The problem is with Britain is that the indigenous culture of Britain has been dissolved anyway.
	Now, a lot of people, say Tommy Robinson, would focus on the threat of mass migration.
	And why not?
	People can focus on whatever they want.
	I've always, as a person whose background comes somewhat from the cultural, if not economic, left, focused on the invasion of corporate market forces.
	Every time you see a mall somewhere, the one near where I lived last time I lived in the UK was called the Eden Center.
	And it was near, it was in High Wickham.
	The Eden Centre.
	They named it after sort of the perfection of God's early creation, a walled area where we might live freely.
	So I've always thought those sort of spaceships that are dropped from above, corporatised spaces, globally owned corporations that don't pay their taxes in the UK, Uber running the black cabs out of business.
	I've always thought economic and corporate power was the biggest threat, whilst I acknowledge people's concerns about mass migration, in particular in the last 20 years, I think is what people are talking about.
	Although in my country, Enoch Powell was talking about it from the 70s onwards and he's held up as a kind of hero of the right to some degree.
	But I'm always great, I always like to point out that the early waves of immigration from like West Indies and people from India and Pakistan and Bangladesh, whilst of course there's always been tension between human beings in general, it gave birth to this new kind of movement of ska in music and white working class and West Indian working class people got together and created great cultural artifacts together.
	And the school I went to is more like lots of white kids, but more Indian, Bangladeshi and Pakistani kids.
	And I think there was some racism thinking about it now.
	I won't sort of gloss over it.
	But in general, people cracked along, got on with it.
	And what I feel like is how can we address the evident problems of a media exploiting an incident, which is where Tommy Robinson starts his film, like the playground spat between a couple of kids that was exploited, it looks like, by the media.
	And the real problem, the cultural problems that appear to exist if what Tommy Robinson says about rape grooming gangs is true.
	And look, lots of people are getting convicted of that now.
	So it seems like it is true if you can trust the British justice system.
	And with regard to these matters, you can let me know in the comments and chat what you feel about it.
	Who cares what I think?
	Anyway, so what I want is for us to be able to talk about Tommy Robinson, the reason his voice is relevant, the reason his work is relevant, the reason he's a significant and important character, and indeed why he's so consistently attacked by the media.
	And I think that I will tell you this, that I'm also a divisive person, of course, now more than ever, perhaps in the public eye.
	But I'll tell you something I really noticed that scarred me and I'll never forget is when I sort of stepped out of being just a relatively vanilla person appearing in movies on TV, radio, online, live stand-up, all that, and started talking about politics more explicitly, the people that were most condemnatory, cruel and mean, like, were the lead.
	The British liberal establishment was so condescending and so mean.
	Like, they actually made things about the way I talk.
	Like, you know, it like sort of like, you can't talk like that with that accent.
	Honestly, I swear to God, then they realized what a faux pas that was.
	And I, like, they did.
	There's a blur song called Park Life.
	And Park Life was like sort of like a British actor called Phil Daniels talking about a load of stuff from like his diary and then going, Park Life, the band blur would do that.
	And when I first started doing online videos, there was this Park Life meme saying, whenever Russell Brand's talking about politics, don't you just hear Park Life at the end of every time he finishes a sentence?
	And I did like this really riposte video with a couple of good Jewish lads, as a matter of fact, that went on to work with James Corden, made this wicked video saying like, oh, when working class people have opinions on politics and you're from university, you like to condemn it, don't you?
	Park Life.
	And then like, wouldn't it be nice if working class people didn't have a perspective on political opinions and didn't come together or like a park life did this?
	I sort of owned it.
	It was good.
	Anyway, but what I've never forgotten is the sneering contempt from Newsnight.
	In fact, I'd like to watch that one day.
	I'd like to watch them Newsnight videos.
	The one with Paxman, where I took him to task with the old sort of autodidactic vernacular clap track attacks.
	And also I'd like to look at the one where it was this guy, Evan, something or another, where they really bombarded me with statistics.
	And sort of even Douglas Murray relatively recently mentioned that.
	Anyway, not favourably, might I add.
	Okay, so the reason I mention all of that is because I think a good percentage of the hatred and ire directed at Tommy Robinson is because deep down, the professional media classes think working class people should shut the fuck up and do as they're told.
	And I think that the hatred of Trump supporters is the same thing.
	And I think the hatred heaped on people that vote for Brexit was the same thing.
	And in this area, in particular, Tommy Robinson's our ally.
	What are we on?
	Number one, then, APAC?
	You can just press play.
	Just press play.
	Simple as that.
	Here we go.
	This is the second part.
	But if you, we didn't watch that much of it.
	We just established the central idea.
	A British playground.
	There was a spat between a Syrian refugee kid and a British native kid, and the media jumped on it and blew it up.
	It involved people like Piers Morgan, Jeremy Vine, who's a BBC sort of commentator and sort of pundit.
	So this is Tommy Robinson's documentary that Elon Musk posted that showed that the British government can be manoeuvred.
	And indeed, that's why the categories of misinformation and disinformation have been created, because some people somewhere have recognised, wait a minute, the minute the independent media and independent politics align, we are fucked because they'll be able to change the direction of entire nations.
	This is just the beginning of a phenomenon which I believe will change the world, i.e.
	activism, independent media, attacking and changing existing political institutions.
	Let me know what you think about that.
	If you haven't got Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium now.
	Problem in the school and well, no, I don't think there was.
	What about other Syrian refugees?
	Do you think what happened to Jamal?
	Tommy Robinson's tooled himself up with hidden cameras.
	He's going around talking to people about the case because no one would talk to him on camera.
	He's been to the headmaster at the school, filmed him saying that he'd signed NDAs.
	A lot of the people that were at this school that became the centre of this furore wouldn't talk about it publicly.
	Tommy Robinson got like cameras off, I think, his mate Steve or something delightful that he had a meeting he conducted on a forecourt outside of McDonald's and now he's going around interviewing people.
	But that's what it's like, man.
	That's what it's like.
	Do you think what happened to Jamal in the school was because he was a Syrian refugee?
	Not at all.
	I told you before.
	That would have happened if the child was white, big, blue, whatever the colour.
	They're all scared.
	A lot of creers, aren't they?
	I work for probation service now.
	You do now?
	Yeah.
	So I don't know where I stand with it.
	I've got a lot of friends that are British Muslims that have that accent.
	And I don't want this to lead to a sense that there is no way that British Muslims and British Christians and British atheists, Sikhs, whatever, can all live together harmoniously.
	I think they can.
	I wonder what the compromise is.
	I wonder what the conversations are.
	Sorry, I've took my dressing gown off.
	You know me, I'm like this now, but also I'm saying it back together.
	No, I know, and I wouldn't.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	I get it, bro.
	I work for probation service now.
	You see if I didn't work for...
	You see if you were someone's talkman.
	They can't.
	You know what I mean?
	So they seem to be pretty keen on these NDAs.
	Who is that?
	The police council.
	But I can't disclose that with you.
	That for?
	Lords.
	I won't say I can't disclose it because I signed it.
	That incident was talked about by Theresa May at a G20 summit.
	Somebody asked her a question about it.
	We were then off-steaded by five of the top inspectors in the country.
	But only from one registered inspector.
	We had the head of safeguarding.
	I had Amanda Spielman speaking to me about it.
	If you want my honest opinion, they said, get up there, this is...
	I don't know who they is, get up there and shut that school.
	Get up there and get rid of this.
	Get rid of the problem.
	Over the Bailey.
	Correct.
	Over Jamal.
	Correct.
	Get up there and get rid of it.
	But why do you think that is?
	Do you think, because I'm into Jamal, because he came here two years ago, I've got so many negative things said about it now by so many people.
	Well, I mean so many.
	I mean, I've got children at school.
	I've said it to you before.
	We had nine Syrian children, nine families.
	Yep.
	We only had one issue.
	Well, my view is that you won't get much of an answer out of Rob because he worked there and he's bound by various confidentialities.
	None of the scows are doing this.
	Can you get paid as well?
	Not going to come.
	They all have.
	Every teacher got paid not to tell the truth.
	And the head teacher can't even talk about Jamal at all.
	No, neither can I. Can you?
	What's your name?
	Well, if you work it out, there must be a good one.
	Oh, yes.
	Did you work there as well?
	No, I was the chair of governors there.
	So, it's not...
	My issue is...
	You're not going to get anywhere, really?
	No, no, no, yeah.
	And Rob wouldn't talk to you either, so it's pointless...
	They're trying to...
	It's pointless me even giving you this...
	I told the truth.
	I told the truth about what happened today.
	I am not even.
	His life was destroyed.
	That's not fair, either is it.
	As a racist bully, he won't.
	He wasn't.
	How much money is it?
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	Because mate.
	18.
	18.
	I've just found out.
	Well, the head teacher's told us already that he was blackmailed and threatened.
	I've just found out of Kumar, he was paid £18,000.
	He said, I can't take...
	I was paid.
	He said, paid what?
	He was paid money by the local council.
	So he can't tell the truth about what's going on in that school.
	They've given everyone non-disclosure agreements.
	From school staff to governors.
	And Paul Kumar to get £18,000.
	He's not even involved.
	If you live here, if you live in this area, your tax money, he's got $18,000.
	What must the head teacher have got?
	He must have got six figures.
	How much money have they spent on this lie?
	We put in a freedom of information request to Kirkley's council to find out exactly how much they'd spent of taxpayers' money to get the silence of their staff.
	They didn't answer the first request.
	They avoided the second.
	Only when we sent them legal letters, because they have to by law answer these questions, did we get our answer?
	They had spent over a quarter of a million pounds.
	nearly £275,000 of taxpayers'money was spent making people remain silent.
	But they've spent money silencing everybody, so no one can ever...
	Why don't you sign that?
	What I also like about watching this is you see Tommy Robinson in environments that are very familiar to me.
	Like the street I grew up in and the streets around my house and my nan's house, them kind of hedges, them kind of windows, them kind of houses.
	Then Freedom of Information Act requests, this is the kind of stuff that we're dealing with as a result of a lot of things that, you know, I'm going through.
	If you're a fan of this show and the work that we do, you'll know.
	So it's so interesting to see this world, you know, like where there's this guy that has to be tenacious and persistent pursuing counsels to find out if the council has spent money silencing people or legal fees or however they dress it up, I don't know.
	What I think is, it's a bit like when I'm talking about that guy, Mamdani, who let's face it, is from a difficult, a different political perspective in an entirely different environment.
	I think it's positive that he's emerged because look at the conversations people are having now about the way that you can run New York.
	You know, you don't have to just go, well, you could either have Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.
	You know, like there's so many different ways of running a nation, of running a state, of conducting an investigation of what a journalist looks like, of what an activist looks like, of essentially ways of confronting power that are very, very good at remaining stasis.
	The primary function of the system is to maintain itself.
	The way that it does that is it offers a false dichotomy, false choices, so that even when you think you're making a selection, you're just choosing one of them.
	Now, someone like Tommy Robinson is rattling sabres and shaking it up a little bit because they've wanted this to go away.
	They took the bold gambit of trying to use this to, in a sense, that general agenda of vilifying the working class, which is a way of, I would say, neutralising the kind of political change that would meaningfully impact the vast majority of people.
	Because if the left-wing, inverted commas, left-wing parties are fixated on identity issues, those are by definition issues that affect minorities.
	And it stopped being racial minorities or women's rights in the 70s, 80s, 90s and started to focus on trans issues and a variety of more niche issues.
	And I'm not suggesting Those issues aren't important.
	They are important, but what's the most important thing are the political issues that are going to meaningfully impact the lives of most people.
	And in a way, it comes down to economics, the ability of ordinary people to earn good money to control their lives.
	And maybe beyond that, and get this: that your life might not totally be dictated by the amount of money you earn.
	Like earlier today, someone's saying, you know, like that America used to be held together by what was written on the dollar bills in God We Trust.
	But actually, it's the dollar bills themselves that provide the cohesion in the United States of America.
	And given that one of the main crises in American culture right now is the debt crisis that's, you know, even caused a conflict between two of the most powerful men in the world today, Trump and Musk, it kind of shows you that our systems are faltering, failing.
	Debt and usury are forbidden throughout scripture.
	There's probably a good reason for it, whether you're a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew.
	Usury and debt are forbidden.
	We could be living very, very different lives.
	So why not watch Tommy Robinson in environments that are visually very familiar to me, using jargon that's become latterly familiar to me, for Freedom of Information Act requests from various newspaper entities, online entities, government departments, stuff that I'm involved in now.
	It's fascinating to see that the system, whilst powerful, has a fragility that's in particular brought to the forefront by independent media, by independent activism, by the threat that someone like Tommy Robinson presents.
	That's what I reckon.
	Yeah, I think there's enough historical documentation to show that if you underestimate the lower class, the working class, the people who you just sort of ride off as simple, that it doesn't go well for the establishment.
	If you actually underestimate the people, not what people are trying to show as the people, but the actual people.
	I mean, I think we got July 4th coming up.
	That's a big deal.
	For the British, I think there's probably an underestimating of the people.
	I don't like the way this is going.
	I was enjoying this video.
	And you need to take it.
	Don't underestimate the people.
	Those generals were British.
	Washington was trained by the British Army.
	It was his failure against the French that taught him, taught him guerrilla tactics.
	How dare you?
	Why, George?
	Listen, America, it's not too late for you guys to come back.
	It's going very well in Britain.
	Don't trust everything you read on the internet.
	It's a good country.
	Please, give us just some taxes, please.
	We could do a few quid.
	Yeah, I feel you, mate.
	I feel you.
	That's true.
	This is what's amazing about living where I do now and the redneck, Red Rick, Redneck, Riviera.
	It's like, these people are good, decent, Christian people.
	You won't meet a Democrat among them.
	You won't meet one.
	Everyone's totally pro-Trump, up and down all day long.
	Christians, decent, normal, ordinary people.
	They want their guns.
	They don't want to be fucked with.
	And like, you see the same thing.
	What people, like, the reason people are trying to disarm their population is not because they care about you.
	The same reason they didn't try and vaccinate you because they care about you.
	They don't care about you.
	They're trying to make care, they're trying to make their control and authority look like care.
	And someone like this dude, Toby Robertson, he's a chippy, aggressive person who's not going to have it.
	And it's sort of the last kind of energy they need.
	I've got a different role, I believe, in the culture.
	My role is, can you have this kind of voice heard?
	And can you have the legitimate issues that he brings to the forefront explored and responded to without it leading to a kind of lateral hatred between members of the same economic class and same communities?
	That would be where I'd be interested in taking this conversation.
	No one can ever, this is forever, once you sign that agreement, no one can ever tell the truth while they push this manufactured lie that destroyed lives, schools, communities, everyone's life.
	I've seen life after life after life, person after person's life destroyed, while the council, your local council, Kirk Police Council, give away hundreds of thousands.
	Someone doing a literal wheelie in the background.
	That's England, man.
	And someone filming over there.
	I'm going to go and do a wheelie in the background.
	I love that.
	I love people misbehaving on the news.
	I love all of that stuff.
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	Thousands of pounds.
	To make sure that the truth can never be told.
	And I can't believe it.
	I knew from day dot, I asked myself the question when this was blowing up and I knew the truth.
	I kept saying, How come no teacher's telling the truth?
	If all those teachers know what's gone on in that school, how come none of them are coming out and saying, Well, now we know now, the whole world's going to know.
	Because Coatley Council paid them not to.
	Unbelievable.
	unbelievable Jamal was in New Year.
	Yeah, he was in the same year as me.
	What was Jamal's attitude like at school?
	He wasn't very nice.
	He called female teachers bitches.
	He just didn't really have respect for the female students, to be honest.
	Yeah, basically, we were in a P lesson and we were playing hockey with a teacher called Mr. Cattell.
	I had taken the hockey puck off of Jamal because I was on the other team and sent it to the other side of the room where my teammates were.
	I then turned around and just felt a really sharp pain in my back.
	He'd swung the hockey stick over his head and hit me in the spine with it.
	Is there, do you think there's any way that could have been an accident?
	No.
	It knocked me to my knees.
	It knocked you to your knees.
	How long had Jamail been at school when this happened?
	About two weeks.
	I've had lasting injuries from it.
	It's caused me to have severe pain in my top, in the top of my back, and I'm on medication for the pain.
	Still now?
	Yeah.
	Did Jamail get in trouble for this?
	Not that I'm aware of.
	First, I want to apologise to anyone I've been forced to record with a hidden camera.
	Sadly, people are terrified to tell the truth because of the potential consequences.
	But the truth.
	Do you like that journalistic proviso, Massey?
	It's pretty funny, isn't it?
	This is one thing I want to point out is that in the end, woke kind of ideology, it breaks down, as it does ludicrously when people advocate, like queers for Palestine, say.
	I'm not saying that the oppressed people of the world don't have a shared problem.
	Indeed, that's one of the key tenets of communism, the sort of internationalist idea that all of the world's oppressed should unite together.
	That is an interesting idea.
	Were it under God, were it under the divine principles of the Holy One.
	But what you're continually exposed to is a sort of hypocrisy, because the attacks that followed and the media furore that followed this incident when it was initially reported on by the mainstream media was all about, oh, this refugee kid, he should be shiltered, he could be sanctioned.
	But if what Tommy Robinson and that young woman suggest that he was actually a little bit of a misogynistic bully, oh, so which minority, oh, so what if a refugee is a bully?
	What do we care about now?
	Refugees or misogyny or the rights of women and girls?
	And that's obviously the whole transgender sport issue is brought to the forefront, the hypocrisy and impossibility of rational human-oriented philosophy being used as the set of principles and doctrine by which we run our lives.
	We're meant to be creatures.
	We're told what to do.
	God tells us, this is what you should do.
	This is what you should not do.
	You won't be able to do it because you're not God and you'll mess it up every day.
	But if you negate God, neglect God and say instead, we're going to just do what we think's right.
	You'll end up with contradiction, hypocrisy and all sorts of nonsense.
	Why is it you was laughing about that, Massey?
	Did you just like the like wait?
	Sorry if you want to film them without their consent, but it's a tough job.
	Pretty much, isn't it?
	All these people are clearly scared.
	And he's just like, well, I've got to get to the truth.
	So he goes and films them, like secretly films.
	I'm wondering, do they get in trouble for breach of the NDAs over that?
	Or is it because it's kind of covert and they didn't say they were doing it?
	Yeah, they can like what happens to those people who spoke out.
	Hey, Peck now, it's going.
	Well, my question was, was in the UK, what are the laws of like recording somebody without their consent?
	Because I know that in the United States, there are some states that are like a one-party consent state where you can film them.
	If one person knows it's filming, it's all right.
	Then there's others where it's two-party where like if you're in a court case and the other person didn't know they were being recorded, it can't be admissed into as evidence.
	So what's like the UK standard for recording people?
	Well, it's very interesting that there is such a thing as non-disclosure agreements, but often them non-disclosure agreements are sort of not really worth their paper they're written on.
	But then you're talking about the principle of admissibility and that's significant because there's information.
	This is partly relates to the situation I'm in because journalists can behave in a certain way, ask certain questions, present information in a particular way because they're not lawyers in a court of law.
	But the police can't conduct an investigation in that way.
	So if you find yourself in a situation where the police are relying on material generated, for example, by newspapers and media groups, you're going to find yourself in contradictory and troubling jams, you know, because there are different standards and sets of rules and principles that apply.
	So I suppose Tommy Robinson, he's operating in the field of PR.
	And you can see he's getting traction in the media because Elon Musk reposts his thing, now there's an inquiry.
	But parallel and in tandem, he keeps getting arrested.
	He's just off of a year or near enough a year for contempt of court.
	He will have to go to court again for something else.
	So what I believe this is, is institutional power is recognizing that it faces new threats and it's trying to re-examine its armaments and artillery.
	Oh my God.
	If this continues, I think they've worked out, and this is what Martin Guri's brilliant book, The Revolt of the Public, is about, if we have mass communication to this degree, not only are you going to get the collapse of NAPSTA, because the music industry doesn't know how to cope.
	Obviously, it's readjusted since then.
	You're not only going to get the Arab Spring, the rise of the Occupy movement, you're not just going to get Brexit or Trump, which many people put down to groups like Cambridge Analytica and targeted advertising.
	No, the biggest threat is you're going to get mass uprising and mass awakening.
	A big incident happens that viscerally impacts people.
	The Southport murder of those three girls being one such example, the kind of thing that people, that reaches people like, oh my God, three kids got murdered.
	That best not be a migrant.
	And it wasn't a first generation migrant.
	It was a second generation migrant.
	And they really tried to cover that up.
	A Welsh man has done a murder.
	And it's like when you see it, like, you know, I do believe in variety, inclusivity.
	I do believe in all of those ideas, actually, but I also believe more in truth.
	If you ain't got the belt of truth on first, then the breastplate of righteousness ain't coming.
	Forget the good news on your feet, forget the sword of faith.
	Yes, Jake, I'm not sure.
	Well, what they're saying is if you're doing it correctly or you're trying to find, make sure you're, you know, got in your I's, crossing your T's, that only matters if you're actually trying to seek the truth.
	So they're not trying to seek the truth.
	They don't want to know all the details.
	They want the narrative to be what the narrative is.
	So it's way easier just to pay people to not talk and then, you know, scare people into not uncovering the truth.
	So if you can get somebody like Tommy to just go to jail and then give up, it makes me think about the scripture that says, don't grow weary in doing good.
	Like, don't grow tired of, they're going to keep trying to bombard you with stuff, but keep fighting for the truth.
	Keep fighting for the truth.
	And I think the more people that rise up, that's when it's going to get harder for them to continue to knock people back down.
	And so I think, you know, what we do on the show and what you are so good at doing is about empowering people while you continue to say stay free.
	It's about the people rising up because the more people that rise up, you'll have to expose the truth, right?
	Yes.
	Thank you, mate.
	What are you saying, Messi, my friend?
	Yeah, you're saying about them using basically lawfare against Tommy Robinson.
	I'm sure he's done some things which are illegal, as I'm sure all of us have done things, which are illegal, like inadvertently.
	If you want to find a problem with somebody, if someone becomes an enemy of the state or the media, which are basically the same thing, you can go and just, I'll just audit that person every year until I find they've done something wrong with their taxes and then I'll do them for tax fraud or mortgage fraud or anything like that.
	It was interesting after the Southport stuff, you know, this was a backlash to people, backlash on the government because people were sick of hearing about, you know, Muslim rape gangs and terrorist attacks and stuff like that.
	And the police weren't really doing anything against that.
	But as soon as there was a backlash, that was a threat to the state and a threat to the establishment.
	And Keir Starmer immediately, well, we will stop people from rioting and we'll even go after the people whipping up stuff online.
	So when anything threatens the state, they go against it.
	Tommy Robertson's threatened the state.
	He's also threatened the media.
	And so have you, mate?
	You've threatened the state and the media.
	So it's no wonder why people go after these people.
	They will use absolutely anything they can.
	And, you know, the state and the media go in lockstep, especially in England, especially.
	It's also kind of contagious, isn't it?
	Like that if you see the example of Tommy Robinson, if you're like, yeah, I could do that.
	He's brave, this geezer.
	And even though there'll be loads of things I would disagree with Tommy Robinson on, and I keep mentioning what they might be probably, you know, but I'd love to talk to him directly about it.
	I do agree that we need people like Tommy Robinson that are brave.
	That's what I'd say about the Mam Darni thing.
	I might not agree with him on a million things, but like I do believe in political opportunity and political choice and variety and actually democracy.
	So what's, I suppose, excited about him is he's a nightmare because he has tenacity.
	Most people, but I get pretty scared.
	I don't want to go to jail.
	I don't want to be called a rapist.
	I don't like this stuff very much.
	But like, you know, Tommy Robinson, he's got a kind of tenacity to him.
	Yeah, he's got a grit.
	Yeah.
	He's a kind of grit, fearlessness, which is like you could say about Candace and Tucker.
	There's a fearlessness that's like, all right, I'm just going to try to uncover it.
	And I don't think any of them are saying they're perfect.
	I mean, we'll talk to Tommy when he comes on the show.
	I don't think he's like, I've got all the answers.
	I mean, I could be wrong.
	I'm trying to find some things I don't like about it so far.
	Right.
	What I can't find in it.
	Right.
	Because for all I know, the things that I am concerned about might not be true.
	Like, what I'm concerned about is the idea that, look, now Britain has a large Muslim population.
	I wouldn't agree that it was right to deport people.
	It's clear there are migration issues and cultural and social tensions that appear to center around mass migration and in particular what people would refer to as Islamic extremism.
	But I would believe and do believe that there has to be a way of creating genuine cohesion between people of a variety of races and a variety of religions while simultaneously acknowledging the indigenous and original faith of the islands of the UK, i.e.
	it was for a long time a Christian country.
	Maybe you can argue it was a Celtic country before that.
	Who knows what arguments you want to make?
	But if you don't have an agreement about what a country is, you're going to have a bunch of disagreement and a bunch of conflict and social configuration.
	And it's difficult to instantiate, I would suggest and suspect, conscription.
	Because if you've got conscriptions, for example, in Israel, it's like, well, we know what Israel stands for and we know what Israel's going through.
	And a lot of people hate Israel and a lot of people love Israel.
	But none of us have got any doubts about what the religion is, what the agenda is, what the goals are.
	And you can say the same about Palestine or in the form of Hamas.
	And if you can envisage sort of a less militant version of Palestine, what do they want?
	Sovereignty, the right to control and govern their own territory.
	I don't know, man.
	But what seems to be happening in France, the UK, Germany, is a dissolution and a bureaucratization above the level of the nation of the principles upon which those nations were founded.
	And I'm even simply the argument that maybe that needed to happen.
	Because there were some pre, in the case of Germany, literally barbaric countries, in the case of our country, UK, you know, plundering, colonial, imperialist, exploitative, usually done under the auspices of, you know, we're going to bring democracy in railroad tracks around the world.
	Now, get on board, Ranjit.
	You know, like it was all sort of like, you know, like power and creation of institutional power kills people, man.
	And like, we're at a point where there's a requirement for a reckoning because when you see an FA Cup final where the players are taking the knee to take a stand against racism in front of the royal family, you might Have some hypocrisy and contradiction that needs to be addressed because you don't have a royal family without not only racism,
	like someone using the N-word or the P-word, going to countries and butchering people and taking the country and then dressing up and saying this was our country, it always is our country.
	In like in the film Gandhi, like the sort of Raj sort of says to Gandhi, but India is British and Gandhi's like, mate, it ain't.
	We were here.
	But it's British, though.
	You kind of have it back or anything.
	So like we've got to have a good look at what it is we want and what we believe in.
	And that's why I've turned to the Lord because I know that human power is fundamentally corrupt, including, obviously, my own.
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	You lunatic you.
	I'm just sewing this up.
	You know, sorry that I've not got a top on.
	I'm just doing a bit of sewing.
	Makes me think of my grandma.
	Let's have a look at Tommy, tell me.
	But the truth still needs to be told.
	Do you remember of any incidents specifically with Jamal with girls?
	Well, do you know that one where he hit that girl with hockey stick, wasn't it?
	Yeah, Charlie.
	Charlie.
	Don't give up a name then.
	Yeah, you must go.
	Lovely little girl that.
	Yeah.
	It just ruled to him, not so true.
	Nasty, no respect for ladies, no respect for girls.
	Expected everybody to bow down to him.
	Because he was like to decide of me, so he'd like tried like pushing.
	I think all of these are sort of like, no respect for girls, it's sort of like their Yorkshire accents, would you say, Messy?
	Yes, almost a squared to me.
	I love it.
	I love all the different accents.
	We'll get you over it, Britt.
	I know.
	Come for one of my trials.
	Pushing me and like, so I quickly moved out of there because obviously I knew what he was like, he would have actually hit me in the store.
	So I moved and then he moved his arm as if he was going to try to stop me.
	But he did have on that day he spat at you multiple times.
	Where'd you spit that?
	Like literally all I mean if I'm outside and all down the school bag.
	Because when I went home I told him we were disgusted in it.
	But the school said that because it was outside of school time she can't really do much about it.
	Okay.
	He's a nasty little piece of shit.
	Was he?
	Yeah.
	And I told you to listen to that when she run away.
	Okay.
	Horrible boy.
	Was he?
	Yeah.
	And it's all that.
	What was he like at school then?
	What's there?
	Two.
	Everybody and anybody.
	He does he had no respect for women at all.
	None.
	Did you even snap?
	No respect for him.
	No.
	I told you something to try with something.
	Is the argument for what people are saying about Tommy Robinson, is he saying all Muslims are like...
	I think how people sort of try and frame it is, yeah, like he's racist, but he's very clear he ain't racist.
	It's in particular Islam.
	He talks about growing up in Luton and how Luton was radically changed by Islam and that there were gangs and a gang culture and then obviously moved into like the rape gang stuff and like how extreme this gets.
	But like, is there a tendency to conflate?
	Well, think of anti-Semitism.
	The idea that there is a disproportionate amount of financial power in banks or whatever institutions, you know, the claims of anti-Semitism.
	Well, hold on.
	What are we saying then?
	Where are we going?
	I don't know, man.
	Are there like, well, how you can look at different racial characteristics or cultural groups across the world and make all sorts of potential observations.
	But when you start to use that to persecute an entire group of people, that's a problem.
	And I guess that's what I'm wondering when it comes to Muslims.
	But I don't, I didn't, I don't think I've ever heard him say all Muslims should be deported.
	I think I've heard him say Britain is a Christian country and all stuff like that, you know, which it isn't because it's a secular country.
	But, you know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I guess, but that would be.
	That's probably the argument.
	That's probably what they're trying to say against him.
	Yeah.
	He's against all Muslims.
	Instead of saying, like, sin is universal.
	It doesn't matter if you're Muslim, black, white, whatever.
	You know, if a kid's hitting somebody with a hockey stick, to be treated fairly would to be, hey, you're going to get in trouble just like the white kid's going to get in trouble.
	But I think that's hard for people because it all becomes a bigger issue.
	I've heard him talk about this when he was on Jordan Peterson.
	And he said that basically the initial bit of video that created the media storm of the white lad Bailey pouring water on Jamal's face was itself a response to a series of other altercations, including, I think, if I remember rightly, him threatening that Bailey's little sister or something.
	So it's not like a, I'm a racist and I hate refugees.
	It was more like, you little bastard, you fucking started on my sister.
	It's much more like normal kid stuff that was exploited by the media because they like telling a very, very particular story.
	And was this like boiling water?
	I believe it was.
	No, it was just a water bottle.
	It was just a water bottle.
	Water in Fiji.
	Not in that school, but it would have been, it was just a sort of a bottle of water.
	Pretty tame.
	I think there's also this idea that like, you know, people, especially on the left, like to protect these groups, these minority groups and these people.
	But like, this is something that I always thought is like, you know, you can be a minority.
	You can be protected.
	You could be under refugee status, whatever, but you could also be an asshole.
	You can also be just not a good person.
	And that has nothing to do with your faith, your background, or anything.
	That's just your upbringing.
	That's just how you are.
	The counter-argument is that some people publicly say that Islam in particular encourages traits and attributes due directly to its tenets that bring to the forefront aspects of human nature.
	Now, though, I've got another point that I think right important, which is initially the function of the left, the emergence of what you would call the communist left, the literal Marxist left, was a response to industrialization, which in itself is an evolution of the serf class of peasant agriculture, both chronologically and in terms of evolving markets.
	That when you have industry, you have a requirement for a working class that does working class jobs in factories, shipyards, etc., etc.
	And they were exploited.
	And the part of the point of Marxism was why is it that you have these hierarchies where at the bottom of it, the people are doing all the work that's bone, soul-crushing and bone-breaking, and they never get to see a completed bicycle.
	They'd only work on one cog.
	I was part of a bicycle.
	There are aspects even within Das Capital, I think, where he says, you know, people should have leisure time, that your life shouldn't be completely defined by what you do for a living.
	When the left, the political left, like social democracies of the modern age, abandon the working class, so there's no way that Bill Clinton's party was about the working class or Tony Blair's party was about the working class.
	They have to now go, oh, what is it we do?
	What's our point of difference from the Conservative Party and the Republican Party?
	We protect not the vast majority of working people.
	No, we don't have to.
	They're villains.
	They're scum.
	They're racist.
	We don't have to protect them anymore.
	We hate them.
	We represent the intelligentsia, the metropolitan elites, the professional classes, and we will protect trans people, refugees, the most vulnerable people.
	So they had to really create that category of these minorities in order to continue to legitimize their whole political perspective, which was now redundant once they'd accepted we don't care about working class people no more.
	Like indeed, a sort of an out-and-out communist has more moral authority than a social democratic sort of like because at least.
	Yeah, at least they believe something that's real.
	But really, I would say our political models can no longer be born of the response to industrialization, i.e.
	capitalism.
	Oh my God, we can produce all this stuff.
	Capitalism went all crazy as a result of it and became mass global capitalism, disposability, disregard for the planet, throwing everything away, built-in obsolescence, all sorts of dumb, stupid ideas.
	And communism became sort of like state control to the degree where people were getting gulaged and executed.
	What we need are political systems that are a response to our new technology, which is why I always return to decentralization because industrialization afforded concentration and centralization and technology, decentralization.
	There's no reason why we actually could run Florida or even Fertier or Manchester or wherever.
	You could run it like that.
	That's what the imperative should be.
	How much of our food can we grow ourselves?
	Oh my God, that creates more jobs.
	Oh, brilliant.
	We're growing all this stuff here.
	Well, how much of stuff can be repaired now?
	But what would that affect in the end?
	The model of mass production.
	So who has most to lose, actually?
	Global corporations and the beneficiaries of...
	Like it's disposable.
	Get a new one every six months.
	You've got a phone, that's that one.
	That's your phone until you're fucking dead.
	Or you lose the fucking thing.
	No, it's the mentality that's the problem.
	And how do you change mentality?
	The spirit.
	So what kind of revolution does it have to be?
	A spiritual revolution.
	And why would we invent a new one when the one we've got works perfectly well if you fucking well listen to it?
	Excuse my language.
	That's a good clip, I think.
	That is good.
	Very good.
	Part 13.
	No.
	Welcome to season 9 of Game of Tommy Robinson.
	I am Tommy Robinson in Bradford.
	No.
	I told his first child.
	Okay.
	Jamal grabbed him by his tie, which just threw him against the wall, cracked his head open against the back wall, and just kept throwing him against the wall.
	This kid was out on c*****.
	Like it's a documentary.
	Because I don't remember at school, kids that was just like little bastards that would beat you up and everything.
	Wow, them kids.
	What about Vinnie Moulton though?
	Jehovah's Witness.
	What about the...
	That's when someone would try to excuse the anti-Semitism.
	Throw a penny in the playground.
	That was it.
	You called it Jew Rush?
	It was anti-Semitic.
	That's what it was called in Grace.
	Jew rush!
	The good old days.
	Jew fishing.
	Jew fishing.
	I'm anti-Semitic.
	That shouldn't have happened.
	That was wrong.
	I apologise for that.
	That was wrong and it was racist.
	People, at lunchtime, where did we go?
	It was the, I have to say, packy shop.
	I mean, that was just Britain in the 80s.
	It was a racist, anti-Semitic place.
	But I don't think it was in any sort of real way.
	I think, thinking about it, were those Indian and Pakistani and Bangladeshi kids bullied?
	I don't know.
	Certainly Vincent Moulton took some hard hits and Melvin Jiggins.
	And if a lot of the poorer, smellier kids really took some rough lies.
	It's pretty standard.
	That's standard, isn't it?
	It's not on the basis.
	Jehovah's Witness, I will say, if you're not going to get no Christmas presents or a blood transfusion, you are exposing yourself to potential ridicule at school, I would say.
	Yeah, I mean, we had, back in the day, I think you just, everybody was gay.
	You just called everybody gay.
	God help you if you were gay.
	Yeah, if you're actually gay, that's fair.
	You know, fuck your gay, you're royalty.
	They can't do anything.
	They can't judge you.
	Nothing.
	Oh, my God.
	God forbid.
	Yeah.
	I've really shifted up the system.
	We just swung.
	We just swung to the, I mean, the bullies are like all of the liberal kids that are going against the conservative, like the kids that have more traditional.
	Like if the kids are not like, yeah, I don't want to be taught like all, you know, transgender stuff, whatever.
	They're like, you're a bigot.
	Well, it's that scene on, is it 22 Jump Street or whatever?
	Yes.
	Where he calls them a fag.
	Yeah, no, like you can't do that.
	It's 22 Jump Street.
	21, whatever.
	Yeah, he calls him a fag because he goes back to high school and that's what you used to do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you fag and the guy's like, whoa, whoa, like I'm actually, like he was actually gay.
	It's a brilliant scene.
	Like the whole point of it.
	And the whole thing and they turned on him because he wasn't a popular kid anymore.
	Yeah, well, that was the whole dynamic of that is that Jonah Hill's character was like a nerd and bullied by James Adams' character and they go back to school and now Jonah Hill, because he was a nerd, is not the most popular character.
	I want to watch it.
	It's a great movie.
	That is a great green.
	I think I didn't watch it out of maybe resentment against Jonah, having just done that film.
	But that clip is so good and so accurate.
	And think about when was that?
	I mean, that was, what, how many years?
	2014.
	Yeah, I mean, that's 10 years ago already.
	And that was the beginning of that shift where it was like, now we're on some.
	Well, like, I remember being in high school and, like, the shift had just happened.
	And, like, there was like girls that were having like seminars in the auditorium about like different gender ideology and sexual orientation and whatever, talking about, like, pansexual and all this stuff.
	And I'm like, what is going on here?
	You know, I'm like, what is, what is like.
	I'm glad I missed all that at school.
	At my school, all they got was one day to talk about tampons.
	One morning, you go have the girls are going off to work.
	What are they doing in here?
	The girls talked about tampons.
	Yeah.
	And I think that should be allowed.
	That was it.
	That was all they got.
	The gay kids, fucking good luck out there.
	Good luck.
	They can fend for themselves.
	You're going to have to work out like me.
	You're gay if you basically weren't good at football.
	That's the threshold for gay.
	Let alone if you want to have sex with people the same gender as you not good at your football, not good enough.
	Well, you're fucking puffed then.
	Now fuck off.
	Oh, the good old days.
	Simpler times.
	I can't believe that we're at the good old days age.
	I can't believe.
	I was a progressive avatar of a glorious new era.
	Now look at me just sewing up a dressing gown, topless, celebrating Tommy Robinson on the internet.
	Against the wall.
	This kid was out unconscious already.
	That's just malicious.
	That's just intent to kill.
	They had Damn a Gunlad.
	The one, huh?
	Oh, yeah, because I've got to go and do a bunch of work.
	Oh, shit.
	Damn it, young lad.
	And go.
	They were absolutely horrendous.
	The kids, they were just horrific.
	The couple of kids that they had, they used to bully the kids.
	This is probably like a bit of a low note to have kind of almost ended on, but like with importing so many people into the UK, I'm like a direct product of that.
	Obviously, my dad came here.
	And if my dad hadn't come here during like mass migration, then my mum and my dad and I wouldn't exist.
	But that being said, like the history of humanity is just a history of people with differences killing each other, especially when you look at the history of Europe.
	Thousands of years of people just killing each other.
	French people and Italian people killing each other because they're different.
	But like someone from the Middle East looking at French and Italian people, they're like as similar as us looking at people from the Middle East.
	You look Irish people killing each other like within Ireland.
	So I just don't see where this goes when you import people from the other side of the world over in like crazy numbers where they clearly can't assimilate.
	And we expect, well, all of a sudden, human nature is just going to change because we're progressive.
	I don't see where this goes.
	What do you guys think?
	Decentralized power, because a lot of those things are not resource wars or ideological wars.
	Now, look, there's a famous phrase that, you know, if everyone had the same religion and the same nationality, within days, the right-handed would declare war against the left-handed.
	But I think that a lot of tension is sort of generated and stoked.
	And even though we know from our own lives that conflict is somewhat regular, isn't it also astonishing that there ain't more?
	Like when I think about like about, when I actually directly get involved in conflict, like because I put my own interests ahead of someone else's, generally, that's what causes it, or someone else, I perceive them to put their interests ahead of mine, the confrontation can normally be resolved.
	Well, you did that, you pulled in there, that was my parking space, you know, like sort of that kind of stuff.
	There's normally some sort of resolution achievable unless both of you.
	So there is a requirement for adjudication, there is a requirement for cohesion, there is a requirement for a set of shared ideals.
	But probably now more than ever, whilst we're living in this kind of mad and giddying diaspora and blizzard of opposing opinions, the potential for treaties, for mass treaties, really exists now.
	I think it would be possible using the technology that creates the centralization that allows Uber to operate or Airbnb to operate, you could have cohesive political systems where you have maximal control over community budgets, maximal control over political rule and governance in a community.
	The ideas that would have to be put aside were the point of life is to work and consume, the point of life is to progress and control.
	Once people, like when you've passed, if you've ever participated in any direct democracy, and I've got limited experience of it, I belong to sort of support groups that are essentially anarchist in the right way, meaning everything has to be discussed and voted on and agreed upon.
	That's what anarchy means, smallest level of management and rule.
	It doesn't mean chaos.
	And I've also participated, albeit briefly, In the Occupy Wall Street movement, because I happened to be filming there while that was going on, and I popped down a couple of times.
	And what you'll learn is assembly, and if you've ever been a part of a synagogue or a church or whatever where people discuss stuff, it takes ages.
	And you think, I wish I could just take this over with charisma and do it my way, but you can't.
	You have to listen to everyone.
	So the idea that we're all progressing and like we're going to have this next object and that next object, that goes out the window.
	You have to slow down and accept that you're in a different gig.
	You have to move with the rhythms of nature.
	And what I think we should do is move towards the fundamentals where possible, i.e.
	we are food independent, every group fully self-supporting.
	Like we can grow our own food, we can rear our own food, control our own territories, manage our own budgets.
	That's the principle.
	Then where is that not going to be possible?
	Oh, this area, you can't grow food.
	Well, should it still be habitable?
	But like, you know, like if you started to move in that direction, then it'll be elective.
	You could say, look, look, if you are a fundamentalist Muslim and you absolutely aren't going to negotiate on that, go live in one of the fundamentalist Muslim fucking communities.
	Or if you're absolutely totally down with Christianity to such a degree that you can't bear X, Y, Z, go live in one of them.
	Or if you are an absolute secularist or you want to live a hedonistic lifestyle where it's just all people sucking each other off all day, go live in one of them.
	Like in the end, it would have to have some sort of geographical corollary, but there would have to be an agreement that where you live physically is governed democratically at the smallest possible unit.
	And that's like, I don't, you know what I mean?
	I don't, obviously, I've not worked out how to solve the problems of world power, but I do know that the tendency shouldn't be towards global domination and global governance.
	It should be towards community governance and individual sovereignty.
	So in a way, all them people that are social justice warriors are right.
	They should be out.
	If they want to be like that, they should be able to.
	If it was one of my fucking kids or someone I cared about, I'd go, yeah, crack on, we'll support you in it.
	You know, and I'd help them to achieve that.
	But the level of decentralization.
	Trying to get a lot of people.
	500 people, 1,000 people, that kind of thing.
	Well, yeah, small.
	Like, small as possible, I reckon.
	I mean, like, that's what you can handle.
	You can't handle it.
	Like, don't you even feel over it?
	I was thinking, how do we, I can't deal with the number of people bothering me on here.
	I don't want to.
	I don't want fuel to.
	It's too much news.
	You're too connected to things you don't need to be connected to.
	And I think even the natural flows of nature, like you said, when we lived in Pittsburgh and it was winter and you had snow and you had ice and things had to slow down.
	And even because of technology, we could change our tires and drive through the snow and things can stay up.
	But back in the day, you would shut down.
	Like things would rest.
	The land would rest.
	You would have to had work to store up for that cold time.
	And if you didn't store up for it, you'd die.
	There was some natural ebbs and flows.
	And so if God created it to flow that way for all of time and we've all of a sudden decided, no, we're going to work through all that time.
	Well, here's the result of that.
	We're depressed, anxious, tired.
	We're spending too much money.
	We're going into debt.
	Yeah.
	Most of it is an unconscious expression of something else.
	Most of the time you'll eat food or buy something.
	You're not eating food because you're hungry.
	You're eating food because you're sad.
	You're not looking at your phone because you're going to communicate with someone.
	You're looking at your phone because you're bored or you want to be numb.
	You're not looking at pornography because you're turned on.
	You're looking at pornography because you want to distract yourself from the way that you feel.
	Like when our first baby was born, like my wife went and learned all about like what was the general term seemed to be hypnobirthing, but what it really meant was sort of conscientious birthing practices that got right down to even the language you use to describe sensations of the process of contraction and even labor.
	And the process of her educating herself led me to understand that medicalization of childbirth is obviously helpful because there used to be a lot more child mortality prior to medical excellence.
	But what that in the end led to was almost a desacralization of the process of birth, which generally speaking, the majority of the time, God willing, is something that women can conduct themselves with men as sort of peripheral participants.
	Like women have the knowledge, women have the experience.
	It's a female-centric endeavor and area, obviously.
	Over time, because of child mortality and medical reasons that are totally legitimate, the tendency was to control it.
	And you realise there's this weird balance because it's not like, well, we want to go back to Victorian levels of infant mortality or do you, in your pursuit of these noble ideas of mother nature and the power of the divine feminine?
	And it's no, it's not that, it's some kind of balance where we acknowledge and accept that tech is technology being you do you now in retrospect believe that the COVID pandemic and the measures taken were put in place because human life is so sacred and so special we must do everything we can to protect one another and love one another or do you think it was a wealth grab a power grab an opportunity to pilot how much you can control people legitimize censorship shut down communication what was it it was obviously the latter they used
	the idea of the sanctity of life to legitimize control.
	And that's what they're doing with this story.
	This poor kid is a refugee.
	He was probably a little bit of a little bastard, but he's only a kid who, I was a little bastard, you know?
	Like, so in a way, stop pretending to get that.
	The fact is, I think you can't use that stuff at scale.
	You can't at scale use that mentality.
	In a community where I know your kids and I know Isaac's wife and kid, you can sort of trust me.
	But like, if I'm dealing with kids that have thousands of miles away, I'm going to stop fucking being selfish.
	Yeah, part of the problem is, is like, we're talking about it now and we should never even know about it.
	I shouldn't even know about a story of a random town in the UK that a kid poured water on himself at a playground.
	Yeah, I've been stuff like that.
	It's happened to be all over the place.
	Five kids.
	If like, y'all knew every time my kids got in a fight and then y'all started to go, I don't know.
	What color was the kid?
	Was the kid a Democrat?
	Way in on it.
	Yeah, like we had these kids.
	So like in Pittsburgh, you know, the Indian population was pretty big.
	And so, um we had just just the kids were just kids it doesn't matter what race they were where they came from but you know one day the kids rode all over a car with a rock and scratched into the side of a random car and we Had to work that out, and I could tell, like, it had nothing to do with like bad kids because this kid was a you know, from a different background.
	It was just they made the wrong decision, and there was even people trying to tiptoe like who did this, who did this?
	Was it this kid or I bet it was that kid?
	And you're like, No, it could be any of the kids that were all hanging out together.
	They just made a stupid decision.
	And now, as parents, our responsibilities are to help them not do that again.
	Yeah, and that was just a yeah, we can't extrapolate the principles that you used to manage a sort of a community of kids, to manage a nation of kids, let alone international.
	So, I think that all roads lead to, ironically, not Rome, but the opposite of Rome, the mass decentralization of power wherever possible.
	Like, that's the principle.
	The principle is in that community, like a jury of peers decided to handle it in that way.
	Like, I would decouple political power from economic power immediately.
	Make sort of political powers like a dreary trudge through, oh my God, we've got to spend this money on the drains or filling these potholes.
	Or now we've got to make a decision whether our community is going to allow farmers to use this pesticide because the EU, they're saying that they want to ban this pesticide, but we've decided we're using it.
	And then I suppose there will be issues where it's like, well, that in 12 steps and 12 traditions more important, it says every group is fully autonomous and fully self-supporting, fully autonomous, except in matters affecting other groups or the 12 steps as a whole.
	So if we make a decision in our little group, we're going to go rampaging around causing fucking chaos, that affects the whole.
	So we're not going to have that.
	So that's where you require law enforcement, military, whatever.
	But can you think how much this stuff could be reduced when half of Pentagon budgets, over half, end up going to military-industrial complex companies who pay those lobbyists for a start?
	And I know, like, it's not cheap to make the brilliant equipment they make, but the lobbyists, draw their salaries, that's fucking gone on day one.
	No more of that.
	The Maharishi it was, it says, do what you know to be right.
	Don't do what you know to be wrong.
	That's 90% done.
	That's the majority now is okay.
	You can apply that individually and culturally, I think.
	All right, I guess we better go.
	I mean, I don't know.
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