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March 3, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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They Lied to Us – The Vaccine, Big Pharma & Global Corruption with Dr. Aseem Malhotra – SF546
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In this video, you're going to see the future.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
Thank you for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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It's a fantastic new way to access information on a brilliant new week with, hopefully, a brand new pandemic.
You've only just gone over your last pandemic.
Can't need another pandemic and yet they are discussing it.
How will legacy media figures handle this new information?
Will the mainstream media support it and go out to bat for new measures and new restrictions?
Or will in this changing global configuration alternative voices reign supreme?
Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that while you still can.
Because you know one of the things they tend to do with these new pandemics is just...
That's just one of the things I'll be talking to Dr. Asim Malhotra about.
He is a brilliant and significant voice when it comes to understanding the role of big pharma and the obligations of medics and doctors in a time of corruption and deception.
If you saw Trump make a rare misstep in front of a crowd when introducing CEO of Pfizer, Albert Baller, and the boo that went up, you'll know this is a subject that divides people precisely because it was an issue that awoke folk.
New coronavirus with potential to cause pandemic discovered in China.
Thank God the good people in Wuhan are still dedicating their time and effort to creating new novel viruses.
Did you learn anything in the last couple of years, guys?
Yeah, one thing I learned is we should definitely keep up gain-of-function research.
How else will we stay ahead of the curve when it comes to the creation of vaccines?
Just keep doing it.
I'm beginning to think we should withdraw funding from any...
In Wuhan, even if they're working on, I don't know, something like sort of cookies or air fresheners, just stop giving them money.
In a minute, we'll be talking about the revelation out of Yale that unique, rare and disturbing conditions have emerged in connection to the COVID vaccines.
And what we were calling long COVID was, as we had long suspected, Long vaccine.
It ain't long COVID that's making you ill.
It's the vaccine.
Let me know in the comments and chat if you ever took that thing because I'm proud to say that neither me or anyone in my family took it.
Maybe my parents took it.
I mean, they don't seem very well.
Are they going to be okay?
Damn that virus.
Now, thanks to this extraordinary conversation between Joe Rogan and Woody Halston, we're getting...
I suppose in the form of Woody Harrelson, from a somewhat mainstream figure, we're at least getting some honest debate.
Woody Harrelson was pretty bold when he went on SNL, wasn't he, and sort of pitched a thriller, and in so doing, described the actual conditions of the pandemic.
Here he is on Joe Rogan, claiming that Anthony Fauci is perhaps naked, raw, evil.
I mean, Bobby...
I really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply.
And I think really heroic how much he stood up for things that he didn't need to talk about, you know, that didn't help him in any way.
He just took one arrow after the other over it.
To me, even if he was wrong, which I don't think he was, Then it's heroic to do that.
Yeah, and he wasn't wrong.
The thing is, I was a victim of that propaganda.
And I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show.
I said, I always thought you were a kook.
I had always heard.
I bought into it.
I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people were saying about you.
Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines.
He's a nut.
He's some sort of an anti-science nut who's just a conspiracy theorist.
He's just like all these other nutty people.
And then I read his book.
And I was like, okay, well, this book is real.
Why isn't he getting sued if it's not real?
If it's not real, why is he getting sued?
If all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true, why is he not getting sued?
I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them.
I would sue you if that was not true.
Like, hey, you fucking liar.
I never did that.
This is a lie.
You can't prove it.
But it's not a lie.
If it was a lie, he'd get sued.
Be in truth, they just ignored it.
But man, that is...
A heavy tome.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
It's a heavy tome.
Wow.
Pretty extraordinary, isn't it, that now reality is caught up with the conspiracy theorists?
I see Malhotra's conversation is something that's going to really help you understand just how right you were.
Woody Harrelson, coming from that extraordinary kind of eco-hippie, liberal, pot-smoking, hemp-wearing perspective, is now on the same side as many people that were kind of oddly judged as being on the right.
This is a new political moment.
It's a new moment in truth.
And Bobby Kennedy, Senator...
No, excuse me.
Secretary Kennedy is perhaps the defining figure of this movement because of that book, among other things.
Now, this is an appraisal that's going to have to go pretty deep because...
Look at this story from the mainstream papers.
From the looks of it, it's the Mail Online.
Vaccine victims left disabled after taking COVID jab react to bombshell Yale study that found shots cause extreme body changes.
It's just revelation after revelation.
And this guest on Rogan, Chase Hughes, says that he believed the COVID response to be a full-blown psyop.
Now, how long will it be until we get the reckoning that's required?
Because the reckoning warranted by COVID, the pandemic and what we've subsequently learned, I believe means that regulatory bodies are going to have to be completely reinvigorated.
Pharmaceutical industries owe a lot of money to a lot of injured people and government officials right the way up to positions of leadership, I'm talking about the Prime Minister of the UK, I believe are vulnerable and indicted by these revelations.
How deep are their relationships with Big Pharma?
Why do people from Moderna keep getting jobs within government agencies and vice versa?
What are we being told or shown in plain sight?
By this entrenchant and unfurling corruption.
Here, Chase Hughes tells Joe Rogan that the entire COVID period was a psyop.
Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.
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Do you think that someone sat in a room?
And that people discuss the best ways to get people to comply?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
I would bet my career.
Because it was executed following textbook protocol.
I made a YouTube video on my channel of how to spot psyops, and there's like 20 different little things.
You only need one.
One thing, and you can spot whether or not you're standing in the middle of a psyop.
That one thing is, if the opinion that's coming out, Needs people to be silenced, it's a PSYOP. There are psychological operations in play.
Wow.
So if you can't question it, if you're supposed to just go along, it's a PSYOP. Yeah, and if people have to be silenced or publicly shamed because of their information, and they're not telling people the sky is falling, they're not saying crazy shit, they're just saying basic stuff and they need to be silenced.
That is a PSYOP. No matter what, you can go back any time in history during a PSYOP of our country, and if people needed to be silenced or shamed publicly, which is like the tribe, right?
That's why public speaking is our number one fear for humans.
It's not a fear of speaking, it's a fear of judgment.
So I'm just putting the threat of judgment out there.
That is a PSYOP. So if people have to be silenced, and they were Harvard doctors.
Kicked off of the internet or kicked off.
Yeah Twitter for this stuff.
Yeah, that's Stanford MIT Yeah, that's all you need.
Yeah, the the Great Barrington Declaration People didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything and they were silenced and they were treated like fringe Quacks instead of respected physicians and It was openly discussed in emails That's what's really crazy they They talked about the strategy of silencing these people.
And then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter trying to get people removed, which is wild.
Didn't you have Mark Zuckerberg on?
He talked about Facebook doing it, about the FBI contacting them.
It's crazy to believe, but my hope is that people have learned from this past four years and that this is an eye-opener.
So there you have it.
The pandemic period was a window into which we were able to glimpse and see state corruption, globalism, pharmaceutical corruption, the tendency of big tech to collaborate with governments when it comes to censorship.
In short, it was an awakening for us all.
It was the period of my awakening.
Thank...
God, that I never took any of those products.
Let me know in the comments in chat if you did take them.
Let me know if you think you've got a right to sue your government because sure as hell the pharmaceutical companies aren't paying their own debts.
Governments are carrying the financial burdens that those pharmaceutical companies should be carrying.
Certainly in this new media landscape, it's going to be impossible for them to avoid the reckoning that's due.
I'll be talking about that and more with Asim Malhotra.
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But it's time now to introduce my fantastic guest, Dr. Asim Malhotra.
Dr. Asim Malhotra is a consultant cardiologist who had been boldly outspoken about various cardiological drugs earlier in his career.
career but in the pandemic he came to prominence through a very brave stance uh when it came to his own vaccine use and his the consequences on him personally and on his family from the vaccines uh you should support him in this endeavor there's a diabetes and metabolic drive that he's participating in there's a link to that in the description now and you should follow him on social media dr asim malhotra thanks so much for joining us today always great to see you my friend
I feel that you're one of the people that's defined my personal journey, both in independent media and as someone who's understood COVID, medicine, globalism, corruption, the relationship between government and big pharma, the way that media functions.
That's because when we first spoke, you were sort of almost still in the respected world of medicine that belongs to the mainstream.
Since then, you've been...
Rejected, turned into a pariah, but newly embraced as power appears to have shifted in a major way.
And medics and doctors and medical professionals like you, that are people of integrity, seem to be moving now to positions of prominence and new authority.
Dr. Malhotra, it must be astonishing to have gone on that rollercoaster ride.
And I suppose that what the pandemic did...
It was like being on the back of a dragon for a minute.
No one knew where it was going to lead us all.
We knew that something fundamental and pivotal was happening.
But for a minute, it seemed like...
That we were going to just have to live with it.
The idea that we'd been misled about the origins of COVID, the nature and impact of COVID, the nature of the vaccines, its impact and its side effects.
It's a story that's so vast and pulls in so many tendrils.
I wonder where you stand on it now, now that it appears we're at a new level of revelation when it comes to COVID and the vaccines and their impact, with even naysayers and cynics like Piers.
There's Morgan now getting on board in particular.
Can you tell us where you see us as being in this narrative and what you imagine will happen next, particularly as a result of the letter that you and I spoke about online that changed Piers' perspective?
Yeah, absolutely.
First of all, thank you.
I must say that I think we've had influence on each other, but you've certainly been one of the most outspoken people that has Brilliantly understood and then articulated the status quo in a way that countered the conventional narrative, but actually has been increasingly proven to be correct.
So for me, you know, it's an interesting one, this journey, because up until the pandemic, certainly I was probably one of the most outspoken people who was challenging the conventional narrative on Big Pharma, Big Food, exposing their manipulations and excesses.
However, the one blind spot I had...
Was over vaccines.
And therefore, you know, we've discussed this before, but just for people that don't know, you know, I was one of the first to adopt take two doses of Pfizer.
I went on Good Morning Britain at that stage because it was only being recommended for high risk patients.
It was good for them, even though I knew.
Low-risk people, people who were younger, certainly under 65 and healthy, didn't really need the vaccine.
But I didn't expect it to cause the damage that it did.
And of course, the situation evolved over time with lots of other bits of information coming out incrementally from 2021 with initial concerns about so-called rare side effects.
And we realized the side effects became more, you know, more common.
And then a personal story with me, I think, exacerbated my...
Interest, I think I would say, and deep dive into understanding exactly what happened when my father, who, as you know, was a deputy vice president of the BMA, suffered a sudden cardiac arrest, unexplained, and eventually we realised it was probably the vaccine.
So I think once, for me, once I fully understood what was going on with the vaccine in terms of its benefits and harms, and now we're in a situation, Russell, where it's very, very clear, in my view.
I think looking at it, you know, In an independent, evidence-based way, not just my opinion, connecting with other people, like the likes of Carl Hennigan, for example, the director of Center of Evidence-Based Medicine, Oxford, many eminent scientists around the world, the Jay Bhattacharyas of this world,
who's going to be the next, you know, God willing, the next director of the NIH. All these people consistently feel that either it's been significantly damaging for...
Certainly for more harm than benefit for people who are younger or think, like me, it should never have been injected into a single human in the first place.
But once I'd realised that about the Covid vaccine, Russell, it already fit into an understanding I already had and was concerned about pre-pandemic that there was too much power of big pharma to the extent where even if we exclude the vaccine discussion, you know, good evidence suggests that one of the leading causes of death After heart disease and cancer globally is too much medicine, prescribed medications.
And also the fact that if you want to explain what is at the root of the chronic disease pandemic, it is essentially the low-hanging fruit, the biggest driver of it is ultra-processed food, the food environment.
So I think, you know, in that journey that I've been on, when we come to the present day and where I'm at and obviously my links with the new administration potentially, You know, it really started in a way with a phone call, which I don't know if I told you about.
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At the end of 2022, I published a paper, spent nine months trying to analyze the data on the vaccine.
Two parts.
Journal of Instant Resistance.
This is what the vaccine we think is doing in terms of benefits and harms.
Overall, likely net harm.
Let's pause it.
But hold on a minute, that's a really big statement to make.
How do we get this so wrong?
And then go through all of the commercial corruption of medicine, interests, corporate capitalism, all of that together to explain how we got here.
The very first person to call me, because normally with every article I've published over the years, Russell, and being in this space, this particular area for what, over 10 years or so.
Every single medical journal article I've published, I've written for the sake of saying something that I felt was important, not for the sake of being published, which has hit the news.
This one did not make the mainstream news because a journalist, and I won't name him to protect him, who I've worked with for many, many years, had this as an exclusive, knew two months in advance before I was publishing this paper, mainstream newspaper, and I knew, predicting, that if this went into a mainstream newspaper at the end of 2022, it was game over for the rest of the world.
It would have stopped the vaccine, end of story.
Last minute, he obviously got...
I was scared or pressured by his editor, and I was gutted it wasn't published.
I had to think outside the box.
I went to Indian newspapers, I got it in Spanish newspapers, and I got it on GB News, which is semi-mainstream, but not mainstream.
And I was thinking at that point, without over-dramatising it, I was thinking of the words of Martin Luther King, if you can't...
He said, if you can't drive, you run.
If you can't run, you walk.
If you can't walk, you crawl, but keep moving forward.
I thought, well, I have to do something to at least get this out, start the ripple effects, and eventually we'll get there.
I went on GB News, and the first person to call me out of the blue when I came out of the studio was Robert Kennedy Jr. He got my number from Robert Malone, as you know, the brilliant scientist who's one of the co-inventors of mRNA.
And he called me and he said, Dr. Malhotra, I want to thank you for your courage with what you've done.
Let's connect.
And then that's how our friendship and relationship started.
We met several times.
We spoke at conferences.
I supported him wholeheartedly, as you know, when he ran for president.
But of course, strategically, and that was probably almost certainly the right move at the time, he decided to then align with President Trump.
I stuck with him.
And we've been in touch.
And really, that's how I think I'm now in a position where, with my experience and background and understanding and coming from Britain, probably in a unique way compared to anybody else, really, in that sense, having been through this process, having taken on Big Pharma with statins, having been a campaigner behind the sugary drinks tax in the UK, I'm probably quite uniquely positioned to understand how we get to where we need to get to.
Yes, I would agree that you are.
And I hope that...
That something comes to fruition, because I could see how you could be a benefit to this extraordinary movement in the United States, which, of course, coalesces around Bobby Kennedy.
Now, when you say that prior to the pandemic, you were outspoken about the areas in Big Pharma that you were kind of qualified to, given that your background's in cardiology, obviously, yeah, I know that.
I didn't know it.
You know, at the time, but like, what is interesting is there's always been a kind of tolerated level of dissent when it comes to big pharma, and even occasionally extraordinary scandals, notably and most obviously the opioid crisis in the country that I'm in, the United States, but also peripheral stories that are difficult to talk about.
Entirely explicitly, because some of them involve out-of-court settlements.
For example, Johnson& Johnson.
Baby powder out-of-court settlements due to some people alleging that the baby powder may have had carcinogenic qualities.
So there's always been this sort of ability to, to some degree, talk about big pharma.
And on a global macro level, almost so vast that it becomes invisible due to its magnitude, is something like the third biggest cause of death might be the over-medication of the population, something you listed in your answer just a minute.
Now, with someone like Robert Kennedy being in this position of unprecedented power over there, guys, unprecedented power in the HHS, then there's actually now a significant and real possibility that even the kind of radical discourse that emerged during the pandemic,
where we started to acknowledge, like you, I'm at the point where I think, Probably the vaccine did more harm than good, and I'm glad that I never took one of those things.
I'm glad, because you came to it with, as you say, a certain degree of cynicism, or at least scepticism, because of your position on other areas of Big Pharma.
Me, because of my general position towards authority and power, I arrived with a kind of, hold on, isn't this the government and Big Pharma?
After the initial wave of, you know, we're in a movie.
Dread had subsided.
Like I started to think, this is still all those people that I don't trust.
So what I reckon I'm asking you is, given that we believe in general that people would become healthier, as in a make America healthy again way, if they ate better food, rather than, you know, not ultra-processed food, but sort of locally sourced food, that people...
We ought to be more circumspect about the medications they're taking.
The big pharma needs to be reined in.
The indemnity around the vaccine industry should be withdrawn and retracted.
The conversation's changed so significantly, and it's not a peripheral conversation anymore.
It's a conversation where there are representatives within government.
Do you feel that we could be on the verge of an epochal shift where people are actually like...
Two personal examples to fold into your answer.
One, once I was on Bill Maher, and I sort of talked about the pandemic, and he said, you know, one thing we know is it saved millions of lives, right?
And I sort of remember at the time thinking, I just don't see it that way.
And another different but distinct thing is, I've got a friend, it's obviously very moving whenever you mention your father, because his picture's there always when you do these interviews.
I've got a friend who's older, and he was fully on board, got all of the shots and stuff, and subsequently, about six months later, had a heart attack.
And I feel like, even though he's male and he's in his 70s, and you kind of think, well, those are the people that have heart attacks, I feel...
That's related to the vaccine.
Do you think that something as significant and as personal as your father's death and all of these sort of heart conditions that it's difficult to prove because who's doing the clinical trials?
Maybe now that Jay Bhattacharya is at the NIH, maybe clinical trials will take place.
So the two things are related, even though I'm using personal examples.
Whether it comes to the public discourse conducted on media...
Or people that believe that they have been personally impacted by vaccines.
Do you think that these movements, Bobby being in that, Bobby Kennedy being, Secretary Kennedy being in the position that he's in, or Jay Bhattacharya, head of NIH, or Marty Makkari, head of FDA, and please, Lord, you potentially even working with the government, that there will be an appraisal where the received and accepted wisdom is that was full-on corrupt.
We were lied to.
Let's start looking at compensation and breaking up whatever relationships between regulatory bodies and big pharma existed that allowed this thing to happen.
Yeah, absolutely, Russell.
And what gives me the most confidence that that's going to happen is if you look at the executive order from the White House presidential order about make America healthy again, you know, no stone.
I mean, I was...
I'm pretty pleasantly surprised by reading that no stone has been left unturned, where at the heart of the issue is very clear that we understand, if you read between the lines, that commercial interests have corrupted health, healthcare and, you know, and this isn't just for the US, this applies to all around the world.
And you've got the right players in.
You're absolutely right.
You know, Bobby Kennedy hasn't pulled any punches already when he's come in.
And, you know, I know Jay Bhattacharya very well.
I consider him a great friend.
Marty, I've got to know recently.
Mehmet Oz as well.
I've had interaction with him, been texting him back and forth.
So, you know, all these people, I think, are very much aligned with what actually needs to happen, this inflection point, or I would say the...
The corporate tyrannical bubble bursting.
I think that's the best way to describe it.
Because, you know, what they've also mentioned in this objective order, which really heartened me, is the fact that they're organising this commission on looking at health through all sectors, Department of Housing, Department of Education, because actually that's another narrative that needs a lot more of a discussion, is that when you look at the evidence, Russell, and it's something I'm working on and writing about soon, probably...
To have some influence in the new administration.
Is that...
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Dr. S. Malhotra has got so many revelations and the ultimate revelation being, of course, that we need to have a spiritual awakening in order to make the kind of changes that are required.
80% of the variation in outcomes for people's health, okay?
Let me just give you an example of what that means.
If you look at the...
Differences in the wealthiest versus the poorest people in America in terms of life expectancy, it's about 10 years on average.
If you look at healthy life expectancy, it's 20 years.
And 80% of the variation in that difference is related to what we call the social determinants of health, but a better way to describe it is the building blocks for a healthy society.
We have to go back to square one and start from the beginning.
And that means, you know, good quality housing.
It means kids having, all kids having access to education.
It means having a decent income, right?
If you are, Michael Marmot is a professor in the UK, he's a world guru, a researcher in this area.
And he's written, I wrote about this in an article for the Kings when he said, if you are in a stressful job, you know, a low pay, High demand, low control job.
That can be more damaging to health because of stress than being unemployed.
The minimum wage in the United States at the moment is $7.25.
It certainly was pre-pandemic.
You have 30% less purchasing power on the minimum wage now in the US than you had 50 years ago.
So we talk about all these things about food and you're absolutely right.
And food is actually going to be key for sure in reversing the chronic disease pandemic.
But for a lot of people...
One, the food environment has more influence on our behaviour than what we think.
And ultra-processed food has saturated the whole food environment.
But this isn't just about people who are unfairly disadvantaged, Russell.
If you remember during the pandemic, Boris Johnson got hospitalised with COVID. I was the one that went public and made international news saying that it was likely because of his weight, because I spoke on Good Morning Britain, etc.
That's when Matt Hancock asked me to advise him.
And what we should do on COVID and obesity, etc.
And Boris is not someone who's from a poor background.
He's got everything available to him, right?
Let's be honest.
But the reason I'm saying that is, clearly it's something that is so...
What's the word?
It's permeated every aspect of our culture and our environment, that even people who are well-off are addicted to ultra-processed food.
So this conversation that we're having, of course we want to make sure that we have...
Everybody has a fair chance to lead the optimal life they want in terms of their health, and there are people who are more disadvantaged, but ultimately this affects everybody.
93% now of American adults, Russell, have what we call sub-optimal metabolic health.
93% of our adult Americans, that's extraordinary, are not in their optimal health at a basic level, at a basic level, right?
So this is something that...
We're all stakeholders in this.
And if you think about it, even if you put the jigsaw together, I look at this philosophically, I'm sure you agree with me.
Our individual health is also linked to our family's health, our friends' health, our community's health, our state's health.
We're all interconnected.
And therefore, it's like thinking about a football team, if you like.
You're only as strong as your weakest link.
So it is in all our interests that everybody else is also in the best possible position they can be for their health, in my view.
That's how you make America healthy again, and that's how you make America great again.
That was good.
That was a good ending.
We'll clip that.
People are like that.
We'll send that directly to the government.
There's a lot in that, mate.
Because it has permeated every level of society, and it's interesting to use an example of someone that, by most measures, you would, of course, have to regard as privileged, still falling foul to bad diet.
I customarily was thinking about myself and thinking, well, I'm a pretty tuned-in guy that's aware that you're meant to, you know, I... Do a bunch of physical exercise.
I eat pretty healthy.
I'm conscious of what I do.
And I still reckon I end up eating dumb things.
I still let my kids eat things that turn their fingers orange.
It's very difficult when something is systemic and immersive not to be impacted by it.
And one has to ask what is spiritually at the root?
Of such a pervasive problem.
Why would a culture do that to itself?
And you can sort of see, I'm becoming increasingly fascinated with the United States and was looking at the origins of its three branches of government, looking at the Constitution and how distinct the United States is on that basis from a country like ours.
It's sort of a wild said that, you know, we're two nations separated by a common language.
And because we speak the same language, I seem, as the Americans, I think we think...
Their country is the same, and plainly, it's not.
And it's peculiar to see how such comparatively modern and explicitly great ideals were over time corrupted, I believe, by industrialization and the subsequent...
in American industry were able to have on government and how that began to bias and bend the trajectory of American politics and cultural life.
Because you wouldn't have a situation where people were ingesting poison, both orally and in a variety of other ways for a big farmer, if there wasn't something way out of line.
They say, don't they, in our kind of independent media circles, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
But when you sort of pull back and look at, well, why would that happen?
Why would 70% of the world's calories come out of ultra-processed food?
Why would, you know, the source cited Dr. Asim Malhotra, the third biggest...
Cause of death globally be over-prescription of medicines or misdiagnosis or prescription of wrong medicines.
Well, it must be somehow the system's benefiting from it.
And to heart on about the coronavirus pandemic, whilst it was unique in some ways, what's most peculiar to me is that it simply revealed, due to the nature of the scale, something that was always present and hidden in plain sight.
If the interests of the state and the interests of, let's call them global corporations, align, the version of reality we receive will be highly curated and highly biased.
So, you know, as George Carly in the American comic says, Interests converge.
No conspiracy is necessary.
It just turned out that during the pandemic, it was beneficial to the state to have the opportunity to regulate, to keep people in their homes.
It was beneficial to Big Pharma to be able to create these profitable medicines that just so happen to grant them legal immunity.
So that's the only immunity anyone got, is the illegal immunity that they got for their product.
It was, in a sense, a perfect storm, but not unique.
I believe it was like a window that appeared for a moment.
That's why I think subsequently the world has changed so much.
So someone like you who could have been on their way out for being outspoken in areas where you're not supposed to be outspoken is actually now, because of the apocal shift that's taken place, on their way into a position of new power.
I'm just very curious about how that's going to be sustained.
Perhaps this is a good way of analysing this, Doctor, might be to say this.
The United States has clearly taken a different path.
We can see that when it comes to the Ukraine war.
We can see it when it's come to the executive order that you've referred to with regards to COVID or the appointment of some of these peripheral...
Heroes, like the men whose names we keep listing, from the outskirts to the heart of government.
But that's not happening everywhere.
In the United Kingdom, there was a kind of a very sort of insipid inquiry that took place, and I find it difficult to imagine the type of reckoning we're discussing in America taking place in the UK. But also, it's unavoidable.
We live in a global society, for good or for bad, now anyway.
So, if the US reappraises its entire approach, we've kind of come to a conclusion that not only was the pandemic The pandemic mishandled when it came to social and political initiatives.
initiatives it was mishandled through the remedies and covid do you think that the uk and its different direction when it comes to covid but a whole variety of other matters is going to be exposed as a result of what's happening and could it even be something that brings down keir starmer's government because let's face it in the uk people you know like moderna are getting good deals people are moving between government and moderna in particular
do you think this is the kind of thing that the differences between the uk and the us might expose some interesting trends and might bring about um conflict and surprise Yes.
Yeah, Russell, well, before I answer that question, just coming back to your earlier point which I think you're absolutely spot on about and we need to discuss is about this spiritual battle, if you like, because part of what has driven us to this point in terms of culturally is that we have become more disconnected, more materialistic, you know, and it's been exacerbated by these industries that make us believe that...
We can be the best or happiest versions of ourselves from eating junk food and various addictions that are going to give us these short-term dopamine hits.
But actually, when it comes back to what it means to be human, we know that ultimately, over time, that brings you into more of a state of depression.
I know you've gone through that yourself.
You've gone through that journey.
So you've got your own insight and understanding of this in a lot of depth.
And I think part of the conversation needs to happen.
To overcome this situation, to change the trajectory of the world and health is actually, what does it mean to be human?
And we've got a wealth of evidence.
We've got ancient wisdom.
We've got modern psychology that tells us that actually, you know, living, loving, learning, being connected to other people, quality of our relationships, contributing back to the community, you know, Doing work that you're passionate about.
Being honest with each other.
Speaking truthfully.
Being the best, you know, authentic selves.
This is how you get to a higher state of being.
And that is very much intertwined with everything else that's been going on.
And we're losing that.
And I think there is a groundswell of people that are pushing now, who are more spiritually connected, who through whatever journey or through their upbringing actually understand that better than other people.
And that's how we need a cultural shift to happen.
And of course, I've said this before and just briefly before I answer your question about the UK. I've given this diagnosis.
When you look at the upstream causes of the current health crisis, one of them is known as the commercial determinants or drivers of ill health, which is defined by strategies and approaches adopted by the private sector to promote products and choices.
That are detrimental or damaging to health.
Think about that.
They actually have a strategy to do that, to make money through deception, through getting you addicted to whatever.
Social media, whether it's junk food, whether it's online porn or whatever you want to talk about.
But there was an offshoot of that, which I came up with, based upon the big corporations, which are really the dominant power in the world right now.
More than most governments, right?
And that is that their diagnosis as legal entities is because it's so narrowly focused on producing profit.
They don't care about human values.
They care about human profit alone.
And they have been diagnosed as being psychopathic in their pursuit for money.
So you can understand the downstream effects of that is also going to have a negative effect on our culture and the way people behave and is going to take us away from those basic human values and principles of what it means to be human.
So I think it's just important to mention that.
So you're absolutely spot on in that diagnosis you've come to yourself, Russell.
In terms of the UK, I think in many ways it's interesting.
I've had some insights myself, personal insights, because I've taken my knowledge and understanding of what's happened with the COVID vaccine, the root cause of it, to politicians, to the Conservative Party, to members of the Labour Party, to senior members of the Labour Party, who in their own right have listened to me and understood it and been shocked and have been convinced.
But themselves have been too scared to speak out.
Right?
And therefore, what is the way around this?
And what's happened?
How can we explain what happened in America versus what happened in the UK? Thinking aloud, I think some of it could be that Americans' health has been, to a large degree, worse than that of the UK. And we know when population health gets worse, you have less trust in government.
So there was that opportunity for a change to happen.
But I think what also has been massively influential in even the presidential election are the likes of Robert Kennedy Jr.
But being given a platform from the likes of Tucker Carlson, from Joe Rogan, who have got now more influence and reach.
Russell Brand, right, having more impact and reach.
Speaking the truth in a way that resonates with people's souls, which is way more powerful and kind of breaks through for many people this kind of cloud of ignorance that has been so dominant in our lives.
But in a way that is articulated, that makes sense, that they think, hold on a minute, this is exactly, you know, they've had more skepticism of the mainstream media now.
I think a lot of it has also become more apparent to people, and I predicted this from the COVID vaccine being given to so many people and so many people being harmed, that once it gets out through a Joe Rogan podcast with Robert Malone or Peter McCullough...
Suddenly there's a ripple effect, and then everybody else comes in and gives their explanation of what's going on, and then suddenly you get Trump almost from the underdog, from everything that he went through in the four years of the Democrat government after he was president to try and even jail him.
He comes almost as an underdog because of everything that happened as a result of this awakening.
Him saying something that I never thought he would say is almost contradicting the neoliberal economic model of Milton Friedman, which is where all of this really started to go wrong in the 80s in the United States, where he said, essentially, corporations, rather than being stakeholders for everybody, should really be narrowly focused on private profits.
He said, essentially, that it is immoral for big corporations to put...
People ahead of profits.
In other words, profits should be always ahead of people.
Trump comes out on the Joe Rogan podcast and makes a speech and says, if we find that these big corporations and big pharma have been putting profits ahead of people, they will be held accountable.
And he may not have even realized that, but that is a massive shift for him.
So I think we have all the ingredients, Russell.
We're not going to be complacent about it to really change the system, but we need to understand the root cause.
And the real root cause...
That everything else is permeated down from is the economic system.
It's crony capitalism.
I'm for free markets completely.
Let me make this clear.
But Adam Smith, the brainchild in 7076 of the free market economy, said markets function best on perfect information.
We have an economic system where big corporations and millionaires and oligarchs, in many cases, are not making their money through merit, through doing good things, through giving you a product or a drug.
That is going to serve the interests of you and the public, but through mass deception.
And once people understand that, and I don't think Trump fully gets that yet, but I think he will, then we can actually create a better economic system that actually benefits everybody.
Does that answer your question?
It answers a lot of questions.
But I don't think we're there in the UK because we haven't, it's interesting, we had a Conservative government.
Now, you say could, you know, Could this collapse the Labour government eventually?
Listen, they're not particularly popular, but what we need is we need an alternative.
I've had a meeting with Nigel Farage, I've spoken to senior members of the Conservative Party who are very interested in what I'm potentially doing in America and want this to understand how we can influence health in the UK. If the Labour government is going to do anything about this, there needs to be a massive change in understanding from within.
Okay, we're going down the wrong trajectory here.
We shouldn't be having, you know, alliances with the likes of, you know, strong alliances and influential alliances with the likes of Bill Gates, who is actually part of the old order.
Now, I'm all for people changing.
If Bill Gates suddenly comes out and says, listen, I've just realized that everything I've been doing or a proportion of my work and my influence is actually having a negative impact and I'm going to change my trajectory, good for him.
I will be the first to embrace it and say, you know what, let's give people the benefit of the doubt that they can change their mind.
You know, people can break good as well as people can break bad.
So, but, until all of that happens systemically, I don't think that, you know, we need a strong opposition that is going to change the narrative in the UK. And I can't see that yet, Russell.
So I think there's potential, but I can't see that happening yet.
Because this, again, to my point that the COVID period, Granted us, in the same way that light striking a prison might be broken down into its component parts, or at least we might see the different ways that information can be dissected.
The pandemic provided just such an opportunity and I think that's why the consequences are so far-reaching and the fact that you arrived at the name of Bill Gates must surely be significant because he's one of the avatars of globalism and it seems that what sort of fundamentally happened in the UK is the UK are choosing the path of ongoing bureaucratic globalism as opposed to sort of emergent nationalism.
One of the questions we've been talking about is whether nationalism can be...
Inclusive, and my personal belief is that it is, that nationalism needn't necessarily be racist or exclusive, that nationalism...
I believe in a thing called national socialism, that as long as it's a socialist form of nationalism, that there'll be absolutely no problems.
But what I mean to say...
I see.
Is that with Trump's sort of casual and maybe inadvertent remark on Rogan that he would invert the principles of Friedman economics, i.e.
that of course profit is a likely outcome of business conducted well, but what we've experienced is incremental biases to the point of...
That indeed, the first thing you remove is perfect information.
Because if you have control over the media environment, you can ensure that the information is not perfect, but beneficial and advantageous to those same elite interests.
This has been happening again and again and again over time, to the point where technology...
Ultimately, it's created the change.
I say this a lot, I seem, that Andrew Breitbart is credited with the phrase that politics is downstream from culture.
But I would add, culture is downstream from technology.
One of the first things that's shifted as a result of technological change is the type of media that you described, which is decentralized, diffuse, difficult to control.
And I would say, curiously, It gives us the opportunity to access something like perfect information when we aggregate it.
Of course, it requires aggregation.
But what we're experiencing now in the information sphere, Doctor, is an attempt for them to control that process of aggregation via the creation of the categories of disinformation and misinformation.
But that's very much at odds with what's happening organically.
What we...
What is sometimes hard for me to comprehend when we consider how we've gotten into this position is that you said near the beginning of your answer that we have to go back to step one.
The health of any nation, America or the UK or any nation, is connected to matters like poverty, nutrition, and these issues are connected to such...
Powerful and entrenchant interests that to address them, it requires something very radical.
I met someone you must be familiar with, Jim O'Brien, who works with Robert Kennedy at the HHS, I believe his deputy secretary.
At least that's the last time I checked in, that's what was going on.
I said to him, even if you just take one sort of pathway, look at what tangentially this might take us to see.
If you take just one pathway, like they say that 20% of food stamps are cashed in order to get sugary drinks.
You know, like people that are on welfare in the US use their food stamps to acquire sugary drinks, the very kind of food that you, Cali means, everyone will tell us we shouldn't be drinking.
The reason they get sugary drinks, probably there's economic reasons for that, and there's all sorts of imperatives that are pretty entrenched, probably just to do with lobbying and donations.
If you were to sort of try and alter just that...
One issue and say, we want food stamps to primarily be exchanged for organic, locally sourced food that will be healthy and beneficial.
But now you've looped in big agriculture, big pharma, big food.
So many interests are benefiting.
It's not accidental that what you described with poverty creating, like sort of making people sick.
Poverty makes people sick.
Bad food makes people sick.
Bad medicine makes people sick.
And back to my...
My sort of chief point of the day.
Whilst the pandemic might have been dreadful for you because, you know, you lost your dad and you took a medication that weren't good for you.
It might have been bad for me because I got locked in my house.
And it might have been bad for all those people that died as a result of vaccine injuries or died as a result of the virus itself.
Some people benefit hugely.
There was a massive wealth transfer.
So if, whether it's an apparently unique event, And a crisis that is beneficial to elites and the system as a whole while being hugely detrimental to the whole population or you consider that taking place over time and exacerbating over time.
If the interests of the people are at odds with the most powerful institutions in the world only revolution can address that.
The way that government appears to work is by increment, is by compromise, whether that's the UK government, which I think is corrupt, or the American government that started off pretty fantastic and well and has become corrupted over time.
So, you know, I feel sort of oddly optimistic now, and you feel optimistic now, but in a way, it's going to require, like...
Odd and anomalous creatures like Trump that are radical in the most bizarre way.
He's not a career politician.
So, one, are you confident that even the men like Bhattacharya, Amai Makkari, Dr Oz, you, Kali Means, all are in Siri?
All these sort of powerful radical figures, do you think that they're going to be able to wrench and manoeuvre this vast and corrupt system?
And again, if you could fold into that answer, what does a country like the UK do where there is no comparable movement and maybe not even the possibility for such a movement unless you had something really bizarre like Andrew Bridgen, Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn, people from weird and tangential political backgrounds aligning for some sort of essentially populist, anti-globalist kind of party that was drawn from the left and right.
So in America, Which is further along with these arguments.
Do you think you can be successful using the levers of government?
And in the UK, could this lead to a kind of new populism, even if it was this single issue that was the inflection point?
Yeah, well, I think in terms of UK, you know, we tend to follow what America does.
And I think, you know, if America gets this sorted, the rest of the world will follow, Russell.
I just think because it's such a powerful country and has so much influence over the world, I think that's going to...
and these issues are actually systemic in probably most of the western world if not even some of the emerging developing countries India is just as bad now in terms of this issue of ultra-processed food for example the largest democracy in the world and they've got massive explosion of type 2 diabetes heart disease etc etc so I think other other countries will follow for sure in terms of whether I feel confident I'm as confident as I've ever been to be honest I think because we've got the I think the other thing is they've set targets.
They're not going into this vague.
Bobby Kennedy, if you remember...
When he was running for president, he says if he's not reversed the chronic disease epidemic in children or in adults by the first term as president, he will resign.
He said again that we want to see demonstrable results within two years.
So as long as we have the right minds and we address the root cause and everybody's talking to each other.
And also I think there's another interesting area which I think needs to be explored a little bit, Russell.
He said that people benefited.
They benefited financially, but they didn't benefit morally or spiritually.
And I think that...
No, but it's true, because these people, I don't think these people are particularly happy.
We actually look at the evidence base, and I meet many people who are so-called very wealthy and famous, and they're some of the most miserable people I've ever met, to be perfectly honest with you.
So I think giving them also a solution that they can actually be in a position where they genuinely feel happier.
And realize that a lot of that happiness isn't going to come from exploiting vulnerable people, but actually changing the way that they approach life.
I think all of that is actually going to help change the system.
But also, even from an economic perspective, it's market failure.
Because, you know, as we said, if you're producing a product that doesn't do what it says on the tin, and we're medicating masses of the population with drugs that can do more harm than good, everybody's affected.
It's all going to ultimately collapse.
So we've got to...
I think still at the very highest level are the likes of Gates and maybe Zuckerberg, you know, and Jeff Bezos, for example.
I think a lot of these people don't fully understand the situation.
Nobody understands the big picture.
I think once that conversation starts happening...
In addition to the grassroots movement, in addition to the podcasts and the discussions and the cultural shift and families talking about it, and the legacy media, I think, is now lagging behind.
Alternative media, in a way, in terms of its popularity and influence.
They're going to have to start catching up and shifting.
I think we're in the right trajectory.
We've got to just hope and pray that things will move in the right direction.
You know, I didn't expect to be in this position, to be honest, that I've got potential influence over the health of the United States.
You know, Bobby Kennedy, I remember him saying these words, which resonated with me, and I know it resonates with you.
When you speak the truth, which is most important, you've got to let go of the outcome.
What's interesting about where this conversation is continually bending is that...
The spiritual component is not sort of peripheral or secondary.
It's ulterior, absolute and defining.
You can't make even small changes last or impactful unless they are undergirded by an absolute principle.
There's a theological singularity that arrives where even apparently and almost definitively Diffuse ideas such as secularism and a spiritual perspective ultimately combine when you consider that when someone talks about common sense, like I can imagine that the kind of conversations you'll be having, that Bobby Kennedy, Dr. Ross et al.
will be having, will...
Kind of coalesce around an idea of common sense.
I mean it's common sense to eat healthy food.
It's common sense not to take drugs indefinitely.
It's common sense to exercise.
It's common sense that large corporations should be accountable and that government bureaucracy should be transparent.
But when you say common sense, what you're actually saying is there's an absolute principle.
If there's an absolute principle, if there's such a thing as right and wrong, that's an indication that there are laws in the universe.
Now, it seems ridiculous that we would even have to iterate such a fact because the universe is almost by definition laws.
That's how you have a universe because of gravity and molecular magnetism, etc.
So we're having to kind of accept, one, whether you believe in God or not.
There appear to be some absolute principles.
And from those absolute principles, you kind of derive ideas like rights and duty and justice.
And those ideas have been, by secularism and materialism and rationalism, a whole host of post-enlightenment values, have been sort of managed and manipulated primarily to lead us to a place where human power is the apex and what humans decide and determine can constitute the way that systems are set up.
When you say something like Bill Gates, the reason I laugh is because I sort of...
I agree with you that on some level, even when someone's got a great deal of power, like Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Elon Musk or anyone that's got a great deal of power, it's easy for me to sort of see them as sort of a separate entity from me.
They're not subject to what I'm subject to.
But when we have this conversation, I seem we vacillate continually between I can when we talk about like this is so personal and intimate as it affects me and my family and my mates.
They're drinking too much sugar or eating crap food or have become drug addicts or having heart attacks.
It's you know, it's anecdotal.
It's personal.
It's immediate.
But it's so macro that it affects the most powerful, powerful institutions and forces on Earth, the U.S. government, big pharma, NGOs that have a great deal of power and influence.
Bureaucratic entities like the World Health Organization that have a great deal of power and influence.
But there's a bigger power even than that.
And that is God.
And in the end, that's where if we don't find our way to either actually God or an agreement that it's inverted commas might as well be God because it means values like kindness and love and service and acting in good faith.
You know, it just amounts to God because it's God-inspired ethics.
You know, it just makes me feel like, like you said, there's hope while significantly recognising...
Nothing short of an individual contribution from each of us and radical change from all of us is the required outcome here.
And I guess the reason I keep moving between the UK and the US is because I stay in the US a lot these days and I love it here.
And because I actually know some of these people in government like you.
So I'm like, hold on a minute.
Not only are these sort of competent people, these are...
Actual beautiful people.
Beautiful people that I would, like, sort of turn to for, like, advice on how to raise my kids and stuff.
You know, like, what should I do about my...
I'm worried about my daughter.
You know, like, decent, decent, decent people.
Not like, you know, when I've...
Like, some of the people I've interacted with in the UK, I seem.
And it's like, you know you're dealing with ciphers.
They're not bad people, but they've been co-opted and captured by sort of an ideology that doesn't afford them real power.
You know, because you've spoke to some of these people.
Well, they don't have real power.
They're in some sort of quivering, high-frequency state of just trying to maintain their role within a particular system.
But if they did speak out honestly and go, actually, I'm a bit worried about these vaccines.
My kid took these shots and then they were different the next day.
You know, I'm not even talking about COVID vaccines now.
I'm talking about sort of general vaccine schedule.
Anyway, so we have to approach this, don't we, whether it's in media or in medicine, from a place of good faith.
And it seems to me that's something that's quite natural to you, Asim, that you'd look at this as a man of God one way or another.
Yeah, I know for sure.
And I think, yeah, we have to have.
I mean, ultimately, I think there is something very resilient about the human spirit, you know, that we can overcome tragedies and obstacles and keep moving forward.
It's just innate in us.
And I think in the same way.
Although people can be cynical, and that's fine.
I think a healthy cynicism, there's nothing wrong with that.
It keeps us on our toes.
I think that I feel, certainly when I've been going around the world giving lectures and kind of exposing the big picture to people, and a lot of them are shocked, people come away saying, I feel hopeful.
But it does need the right kind of leadership to guide people as well, to give them that hope and give them that.
Because what's happened really during the pandemic, and certainly with the COVID vaccine, Russell, if you break it down, there's nothing short of horrific.
I mean, it's an absolute horror of what's happened with this mass injection of something that should never have been put into a single human in the first place, most likely.
So, you know, it's a lot to take in.
I mean, I have dark moments when I sit there and think, bloody hell, it's a living nightmare.
But there's something that keeps me going, something that keeps us going, and that's hope for a different future.
And the other thing as well, you know, it's interesting to talk about God.
I think Buddha taught us that you don't have to believe in God to lead the moral life.
And in my own spiritual journey, and certainly becoming probably more aligned with Buddhist principles that make sense to me, because it's science of the mind, it's more almost like psychiatry or psychology, really, when you read Buddhism, is that the importance of free speech and allowing everybody to have their say is you don't get to a greater truth until everybody is allowed to give their opinion.
And that's what you alluded to earlier.
And getting to a greater truth also means listening, and it means having the ability to change your mind.
And having your ability to change your mind is also linked to compassion and humility, right?
So that's why it's important, even from a rational perspective, it's important for us to listen to each other and understand and be not afraid and create a culture where...
You know, people shouldn't be afraid to say, you know what, I thought this at a certain time.
I believed it strongly.
I was vociferous about saying, you know, we should mandate vaccines.
But you know what?
Information's changed.
I realized I didn't, you know, I was thinking with good intent, but I realized that was wrong.
And let's have a discussion on how we move forward.
And sorry, the point I was going to make, which is quite interesting, when we talk about God, in Hinduism, the word for God is Bhagavan.
You might know that, right?
Bhagavan.
But the literal translation of Bhagavan, It's all-knowing.
All-knowing.
So, actually, what we are all, ideally, to get to a higher state of being, to progress, to a greater truth, is through information, and information that's shared freely amongst everybody.
And that's what, in my view, that's another way of looking at what, you know, sort of the direction towards God is, right?
That's what it is.
It's actually knowledge.
But that knowledge, you can only get to a greater knowledge through having a compassionate mind.
Yes, and I agree with you that virtue is potentially possible without God.
I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.
I believe that when you hear in Exodus...
God's discourse with Moses, he says, I am.
There is something deeply personal, present, and immediate, and outside of time that's accessible.
The reality isn't what we think it is.
Reality is what we perceive through our limited senses and our sub-optimal capacity to process knowledge.
Yet, via something discreet from the senses, we can access the awareness that there is another reality.
And when I say another reality, an all-encompassing, ever-present reality that is not confined by the senses, of course it couldn't be.
It would be preposterous to assume that the exact number of instruments we have are sufficient to consume all potential realities.
I mean, we already know just through magnification and through animals that receive different light ranges that there are other present realities that we...
We cannot detect due to the limitations of our instruments.
And I think if you can sort of cogitate on that, just even within the language and lexicon of the senses, imagine what's beyond our vocabulary and our ability to even discern.
Yet somehow within it all, there is love, there is justice.
I guess where this conversation has taken me, Doctor, is that we are at an exciting and pivotal moment because the crisis of the pandemic showed us that the way that information was being used was beneficial to existing institutions.
They took it too far.
It's created a fissure and a fracture.
And as a result of that, people that were on the edges have been put in the centre.
And people that were in the centre might now be moving to the edges.
That's not entirely happened, I suppose, because Ursula von der Leyen is still powerful.
Albert Baller is still powerful.
Keir Starmer is the Prime Minister in the UK. But I feel that we might be about to experience something that's, as you said, radical.
Dr. Malhotra, I've got to wrap it up now.
I just want to reiterate, as I told everyone at the beginning of the interview, that Dr. Malhotra's latest health program is a five-ingredient diet that helps to reverse diabetes and lower blood pressure called Metabolic Reset.
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Remember, we must embrace and celebrate physicians and medics like...
Dr. Asim Malhotra, because the combination of science and decency and kindness now appears to be on its way back to the centre, blessedly, but for a while it seemed to me like the scientific and medical profession had been captured and co-opted, and blessedly that appears to be over now, so we must embrace and support Dr. Malhotra wherever we can.
Thank you for joining us today, Doc.
Thank you, Russell.
Always lovely to speak to you.
Thank you, Dr. C. Malhotra, for joining us today.
You're always a brilliant guest.
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I don't know.
Is it a mental illness or is it a spiritual awakening?
It's difficult to tell at this point.
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One of our offerings is Break Bread with Russell Brand.
Tomorrow, I'll be with Sean Foy.
Join me for that conversation.
And last week, I had this beautiful conversation with Lecrae.
Have a look.
What may be the implications of historic trauma or tragedies and how that affects us today?
It's not to say...
You know, I'm trying to make you feel guilty or you're better than me or I'm better than you.
It's just to say, hey, man, you've been through some trauma.
Russell's been through trauma.
Do I consider that when I'm addressing Russell?
Or do I just say, oh, man, you're a human.
I'm a human.
Who cares if you were addicted to drugs before?
That has no bearing on your life today.
I don't think that's wise and I don't think that's compassionate or kind.
But more important than any of that, if you can, please stay free.
*Main's song* *Main's
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