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Feb. 13, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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JFK Files Released, Tulsi Confirmed, Trump Talks Peace – A New Era? – SF537

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wondersers.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's a very special show because it's an oracle show where I'm joined by Neil Oliver and Lara Logan and is all too common the case Lara Logan ain't here yet and she's currently represented by a black square.
	Not because we're in support of Black Lives Matter, although we are, or not because there's some weird black tile campaign going on, but just simply because Lara Logan isn't here yet.
	If you're watching us on X or YouTube or anywhere other than Rumble, we'll be with you for about 20 minutes.
	Then we'll be exclusively streaming there.
	We're talking about the biggest news stories of the week.
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	This is a new political era that we're entering into, whether for good or for ill, we don't yet fully understand.
	But one thing is for sure, there is a new candour and transparency.
	The first thing we're going to be talking about, Neil, is the revelations that there will be additional disclosure, maybe even full disclosure, around JFK, the RFK murders, MLK, I mean, like all of the Ks, the KKK and the UFK. You give me a free letter acronym and we'll give you some facts on it.
	Here is...
	She's called something like Paulina Luna.
	I can't remember her full name anymore.
	But here she is talking about...
	Look Laura sideways again.
	Laura, you're sideways.
	Let's see her.
	Let's open it up to the audience, Isaac.
	Open it up to the audience.
	Let's have a look at...
	Laura's entering.
	She's an interdimensional being as we've always known.
	Laura, welcome.
	Where have you been?
	Why do you play these games with our emotions?
	While Lara Logan freezes and unfreezes, let's have a look at the revelation that the JFK investigations will be made transparent to the American and global public, while Lara Logan, like a lone gunman on a grassy knoll, tries to find the right angle.
	Our first investigation will be announced, but it's going to be covering on a thorough investigation into the John F. Kennedy assassination.
	And I can tell you, based on what I've been seeing so far, the initial hearing that was actually held here in Congress was actually faulty in the single-bolt theory.
	I believe that there were two shooters.
	And we should be finding more information as we are able to gain access into the SCIF, hopefully before the files are actually released to the public.
	Conspiracy theory into conspiracy fact is a lexicon, an idiom developed here on this show and in these spaces.
	In our own way, Neil Oliver, Lara Logan and myself have all benefited from the changing perspective on conspiracy theories, whether it's UFOs, the truth behind 9-11, the murder of JFK, the origins of COVID, the efficacy of vaccines, or these new revelations around assassinations.
	Lara, thank you very much for joining us, albeit late.
	What did you welcome to the show?
	Well done for finding the right angle.
	I'm looking forward to seeing which one of your pets will slither out from beneath the frame over the course of our conversation.
	What do you think about the declassifications that are taking place and coming out of the White House right now?
	Is this an indication that we do have a new form of government?
	Can we trust them in ways that we could never trust previous administrations just based on these revelations?
	Mic, Lara.
	Lara, turn your mic on.
	How long have you been in this game?
	Get it together.
	You spent five minutes doing your hair and no time at all making sure your mic was turned on.
	You're worse than Neil.
	Still not.
	Is it our end?
	Like, Lara's done what she should do.
	Make sure it's not us.
	Lara?
	Come on.
	Is there a cross through there?
	It's me.
	It's me.
	I'm guilty.
	I'm guilty.
	We are all guilty, but we can be absolved only by him.
	Let's not let that guilt drive us apart, Lara.
	What do you think about these revelations?
	Is it an indication that we've got a new form of government at last?
	Well, it looks that way, although, you know, as my mother used to say, it ain't over until the fat lady sings.
	So let's see what happens over time.
	But what has already taken place, the actions that have already taken place, indicate that we've never seen anything like this in government before.
	And look at all the years, right?
	How much time has passed between JFK's assassination and where we are today?
	And yet, amazingly, we still don't have the truth.
	And don't you love how the FBI just magically found 14,000 pages of transcripts?
	That they had, you know, that they didn't know were there until, you know, that already happened when their back was against the wall.
	And those pages have been, you know, lost for how long?
	So there are strong indications that this is a new age in terms of government.
	How long will it last?
	What will they do to undermine it, subvert it?
	We don't know yet.
	So maybe my dogs are not slithering in, but yelling, honey, come here.
	They're bounding in.
	They're making a dreadful racket.
	There's more dogs than ever before.
	When you're not so physically attractive, I'd assume you're a person that had too many pets out of sheer loneliness.
	And I know that Neil Oliver's house is fully...
	Seething with wolfhounds, because I've been there.
	I've visited it in person myself.
	Neil, what do you make not only of the mad menagerie that houses Lara Logan, but the opening of the Zoo of Conspiracy?
	I'd long...
	Oh, God, that's ridiculous.
	Get it out.
	I'd long believed, I'd long believed, Neil, that if we truly knew what classified files contained, that we would become instantly disobedient.
	Most of us...
	Get it under control, Lara.
	That is out of control.
	That is madness.
	I've already got a YouTube strike.
	I need you to control that dog.
	So, JFK, I guess most of us now know that it's not the magic bullet theory and the lone gunman theory have all been discarded.
	But when it comes to 9-11 and COVID, Neil, is there a danger that this could disrupt permanently our faith in all systems of government and not be seen as a kind of mea culpa and affection?
	I would have to see something.
	I would have to see something before I would make any kind of judgment on it.
	I did wonder, in fact, I just said to Trudy an hour ago, why, after all this time, are they still trailing it?
	You know, saying this stuff is coming.
	Why don't they just put it up on some kind of worldwide notice board for anybody to see?
	Because they've got a thousand lawyers in there, Neil, giving them a thousand reasons why they can't do this.
	I'm shielding off.
	And they're combing through each document and they're, you know, what they're having to do is, I think, I would agree with you, just get it over with already, right?
	But, but, look at the two things that have happened.
	One, they put Representative Annalena Luna, right, in place, and that was significant for this reason.
	Luna is a, you know, she's a baller, right?
	She doesn't take any crap and she's not owned by the system.
	So they've chosen someone in each of these positions.
	They've chosen someone who's going to speak up.
	Then the other thing is you've got things like the FBI coming forward saying, we just found 14,000 transcripts no one's ever seen.
	So now what they did when they did that, they delayed the process because now the lawyers all have to go through the 14,000 pages.
	And make sure that everything there is okay.
	In the case of, let's say in the case of the John F. Kennedy and the Robert Kennedy senior assassinations, just to take those two, it's a lifetime since those deaths, those killings, those murders.
	And so nobody is left alive that was materially involved with any of that.
	And the fact that they can't just Lay out all of it.
	If you're going to say, we're going to declassify this stuff and we're just going to give the people, the American people or the people of the world, everything we've got about this, you either do that or you don't.
	And if anything that they have to go through and redact or hold back or whatever, means that it's some version of a limited hangout or it's a slightly disingenuous fulfilment of the promise to just declassify this.
	I can appreciate, I mean, I can, you know, I could be practical enough around something like 9-11 that clearly, clearly people are alive and walking around today that we're party to all of that.
	And I can imagine that there might be sensitivities around it, but all the way up to and including the, you know, the Epstein client list and the much-vaunted Diddy tapes and all of the rest of it.
	This constant promising of jam tomorrow.
	We're going to show you this.
	We are going to show you this soon.
	Honey today, Jim Marks.
	And I can't think of any reason to take the example of the Kennedy brothers' murders.
	I don't believe there's any reason why they, whoever it is that's got this 14,000 pages, Put it all out there.
	Just put it all out there and say, there it is.
	And if they don't do that, for me, that will be less than a fulfillment of that, you know, dangled promise.
	So what if it's not that the people who are responsible are still alive?
	Because obviously they're not.
	What if it's that the organization that did it, i.e. the CIA, is still alive?
	And that's what they're—I agree with you.
	They're also promising all that stuff, all that big headline stuff about draining swamps, all that stuff about clearing out the corruption.
	I'm as aware as the next vaguely sentient human being about the complexities of that and the likely consequences of doing any of that.
	I can see that.
	But if you say, we're going to tell you the truth, we're going to do the reveal, and you can make of it what you will, you either do that or you don't.
	Absolutely.
	At the moment, it's just like jam tomorrow.
	I think it's coming.
	I could be wrong, but I tell you what they are doing is they're doing it in a way where they can't be stopped.
	I think that's the critical thing here is that look what we've already seen with regards to USAID. Medicare, Medicaid, and all these revelations that are coming out, right?
	With the Treasury.
	I mean, can you imagine?
	They had to hack into the Treasury because the Treasury wouldn't give the executive branch to whom it reports access to their own records.
	So I do agree with you, Neil, that it's time to stop with the games and get it all out there.
	But I do also say that You have to give them some credit for the actions taken so far.
	All I really meant was, I don't know why they trailed it again.
	I wouldn't have said we are going to.
	I would just have waited until the big reveal.
	Without any kind of trailer, without any kind of building up expectation, I would just have put it out there.
	But when it comes to the Kennedy assassination, when it comes to the killing of Jack Kennedy, if that...
	If that is laid out, then I honestly don't know how...
	Well, I'd be very interested to watch how America, the Republic, comes to terms with it.
	Because if it was an inside job, then it means that Kennedy was the last American president.
	You mean John, right?
	Not Jack.
	It means that everything that has happened since...
	Was the consequence of an illegitimate act that was covered up.
	That is enormous.
	I don't know how you begin to get around that, that it has been an illegitimacy for the last lifetime.
	How do you get around that, Russell?
	Listen, Logan, don't turn up here late.
	Adjust your camera.
	You're late every week.
	You can't dominate me, Neil!
	We're grounded in Christ!
	Now listen, I want to say that chronology does play a significant part, but I love what Neil said about delegitimization from the murder of JFK onwards.
	And to the point of the people that are left alive affected by it, it seems to me that the point of classification was always either to protect a nation from external threat or to prevent the revelation of the government's true intentions and true...
	And when you work through this list, all of which we're told we're going to get total transparency and declassification around, JFK is, you know, which is almost a relatively vanilla conspiracy theory now.
	Is there anyone left who thinks that Lee Harvey Oswald unaided murdered JFK? I would say probably not.
	And then as you go through this list, 9-11, if like even 5% of what's been speculated upon is true, in fact, if it's anything other than entirely unaided, Aided, oddly Saudi-affiliated members of Al-Qaeda flew into those towers.
	Any additional detail before we get into the Pentagon, the disappearance of all that surveillance footage, Building 7. Ultimately, these aren't conspiracy theories about the delegitimization of power.
	And whatever we learn about 9-11, Epstein, UFOs, the origins of COVID and the way that COVID was handled.
	and some of these events are extremely recent in the cases of both COVID and the Epstein list, doesn't it amount to delegitimisation so absolute that even a new and somewhat renegade, at least in terms of its presentational style, at least in terms of its presentational style, administration will be delegitimised by it?
	I mean, in short, if you knew everything that the government knew about extraterrestrials and UFOs and how long they've been interacting with the government, if you knew exactly what went on in 9-11 and who was involved and how it happened, not to mention the even more vanilla and likely scenario where JFK was murdered by members of Because of the CIA either because of Vietnam or his relationship with Cuba or because of his father's relationship with the mob.
	It starts to make America unmanageable.
	It's kind of within black academia.
	It's understood that you could never give reparations for slavery or in our country, the UK, you could never give reparations for colonialism because the country is intrinsically built.
	Upon that exploitation, not just the racist component of it, because each country, first of all, tyrannises its domestic population.
	First and foremost, you have to do that.
	So, isn't it like, wouldn't true and full revelation delegitimize America itself?
	How can you have an America if you knew what really happened on 9-11, if half of what I believe is true?
	What do you say to that, Lara Logan?
	Lara, come lately.
	I say, read the Constitution.
	I think you'll be fine.
	I mean, you're not wrong.
	It's catastrophic.
	There's no question about it because it's not just the original act that you're talking about, right?
	I mean, the assassination is one thing.
	But what about the cover-up that's followed that has now spanned decades and, you know, Republican and Democrat governments?
	And people have been asking for the truth for a very long time.
	And not only that, but look at the pattern that's revealed.
	What are the chances?
	You've got a lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, and right before he can ever get to a court of law to tell his side of the story, lo and behold, he's assassinated, right?
	Well, supposedly Trump was killed by a lone, you know, was not killed, but was, you know, the assassination attempt was by a lone gunman.
	I mean, who believes that?
	They've used that lone gunman thing over and over and over again, and it's probably always been a lie.
	I mean, it's very obvious when you speak to people who know about ballistics and all the rest of it, that, you know, that guy that died on the roof in Butler, Pennsylvania, was not the only shooter at the Trump, you know, assassination attempt.
	So I would say that, yes, this is catastrophic, especially when you come to the more recent, well, they're catastrophic in different ways.
	The JFK thing, because it shows that the intelligence services of the United States that were set up Originally, born out of the Second World War, designed to protect this country from its enemies abroad, foreign enemies, Title 50, that's what governs the CIA, right?
	Title 50, look it up under U.S. law.
	They're not allowed, apart from the National Resources Division, they're not allowed to operate on U.S. soil.
	So when you have an intelligence agency that has been actively subverting and undermining The government of the United States of America, the Constitution and the will of the people, you have people who are supposed to be patriots who are really traitors and treasonous.
	And that legacy exists today.
	So it's not just that, you know, oh, the CIA did this terrible thing, you know, all those years ago.
	They're still doing it.
	They were involved in exactly the same thing with Donald Trump the first time around, with Russia collusion.
	You know, the CIA was involved in that.
	The CIA, I mean, John Brennan, former director of the CIA, was on television telling everyone that Trump was, you know, a Russian spy and that Vladimir Putin was his handler.
	And, you know, so did James Clapper, who was also, he was the DNI, director of national intelligence.
	You know, remember when Trump went after the intelligence agencies and he was warned at the beginning of his first term, you know, careful what you do because they're coming for you.
	Well, apparently, you know, Kennedy was the last president that the intelligence agencies sought to control and affect.
	So, yes, that has lasting consequences.
	But we still have soldiers alive.
	Today, some of them with their faces burned off, some of them with no legs, some with no legs, no arms, you know, and half a face, who literally are living, living evidence, you know, of the consequences of 9-11.
	And that's, you know, that is also catastrophic in another way, a completely different way.
	But can America withstand this?
	Of course it can.
	You know what, to me, the most facile...
	Talking point of the Marxists and the left and all the rest is that every empire has its day.
	America's empire is over.
	No, the America is not founded on John F. Kennedy, Russell.
	It's founded on the Constitution of the United States and a covenant with God and the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.
	It is a republic, not a democracy.
	And that is the strongest form of government this...
	The planet has ever seen.
	And it's not going to be shaken.
	It'll be shaken by this, but it's not going to collapse.
	Well, I really like that you raised the idea of a covenant with God, because of course that would have to be bilateral.
	A country can't just claim it has a covenant with God without God participating in that covenant.
	And we'll talk about that a little more in a moment, Laura.
	But I want to ask, Neil, do we not detect...
	From the depth and breadth of these revelations that the business of government and media has always been the extraction of some information and the amplification of other information that, in short, there's...
	There's esoteric information that usually forms the sources of conspiracy theory and exoteric information.
	The very idea of conspiracy theory is a sort of, almost in itself, a propagandist and misinformation term.
	Because, of course, there's another narrative when it comes to a subject like COVID. That's where you and I, both in particular, came to Providence and broke away from what you might call the mainstream culture.
	Of course, there's an alternative narrative when it comes to the assassination of Jane.
	I mean, think about what's happened in the last four years around UFOs.
	So couldn't you almost pick any presumed piece of public information and demonstrate ulterior knowledge?
	I mean, what I'm saying is it's not a bug, it's a feature.
	The point of the CIA, of the FBI, of all of these deep state agencies is to ensure that the American public don't gain access to the information that would prevent them participating within the purview of these institutions.
	I think what's so confronting about the possible revelations that you talk about playing with fire in a sense, because if you were to follow this promise of honesty and openness all the way through, then ultimately it demands something of the individual citizen.
	And, you know, to think about that Jack Nicholson line in A Few Good Men about, you know, you can't handle the truth.
	It becomes a question of whether or not people want or can indeed process the totality of what might come.
	You know, we're all being invited to become familiar with the idea of the deep state.
	You know, this idea that not just in the...
	Not just in the US, but in every kind of functioning so-called democracy, that the only way you can get things done and have the kind of continuity of intent that enables things to keep moving forward in some or other direction, is that while you've got elected politicians and the executive and the president or the prime minister or whatever, in the background, something has to be permanent, regardless of...
	Republican or Democrat or Tory or Labour.
	They're the management of the holiday park that keep the chalets standing and decorate them.
	And the politicians just take up summer residence in them and then they're gone.
	But the people that run the park keep on going.
	But people are invited not to contemplate that.
	And people are gulled and lulled into thinking that they vote every four years.
	And that that's democracy and that that's them taking their responsibility and that's them enacting and preserving the freedoms and the rights that their ancestors fought for, blah, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, yada.
	But if this process works out and the deep state is unpicked, exposed...
	And stripped right back to its bare bones, if not cast out, then it will come back.
	The people will have to take responsibility for themselves because they turned a blind eye to this.
	That's right.
	Everybody knew somewhere deep down inside that there was a deep state, you know, that there was a management that kept the holiday park running.
	You know, while the here today, gone tomorrow, politicians came and went.
	It's very confronting.
	And people, if they want to do this, and I think it's worth doing, it will be agonising.
	It will be like sloughing off a skin or throwing off a carapace like a lobster or a crab in order to grow, in order to get bigger.
	It's going to demand...
	It won't be something that people can close their eyes to and turn deaf ears to.
	They're going to have to confront it themselves as individuals because what it means...
	What we're all going to be confronted with is that all this muckiness that went on, all this corruption, we knew it was going on and we let it go on because it meant the bins were emptied, the lights came on at night and the streets were relatively safe to walk.
	And if we want to walk into a different kind of republic or democracy, then we're going to have to confront what that actually means.
	And that means personal responsibility.
	It's not their fault that we're all neck deep in shit.
	It's our fault.
	Well, it is a bit their fault, Neil.
	No, but it's us.
	It comes back to us because we watched it happen and it happened on our watch.
	It's a very brilliant and cosmic appraisal of the situation.
	Whitney Webb.
	Did a brilliant post where she said, if you think that just by voting for MAGA and Elon Musk and Trump that you can create the kind of change that's required and that the deep state isn't mobile and plastic enough to accommodate these kind of transitions, you're being naive.
	And she also touched upon the idea that we all share in any kind of republic worthy of the name a degree of personal sovereignty.
	So I wonder, do you think, Lara, that what actually happens when disclosures...
	suggests with our own personal obligation that to a degree all of us have been like the um famous bystander as they came for the jews as they came for the gays as they came for the whoever they came for that in the end we all to some degree have been aware that we're participating in gentle and masked tyranny but kind of as again as neil said required men with guns to stand on a wall protecting us from external and internal threats and that we are somewhat culpable
	shouldn't our proper response to these revelations be we need a different form of government that has to be direct that has to be participatory that has to be decentralized wherever possible that has to involve the conscience and consciousness of the individual I think that's the whole point, right, of Trump and the MAGA movement, is a recognition that we do need to do that and a recognition that we do need to stand up.
	I mean, I've been, you know, for the past four years under the Biden administration, I worked on everything from election integrity to January 6th, and the resounding cry Around the U.S. was local action, national impact, right?
	This idea that if you don't want your kids having access to pornographic material in the schools, you have to go to your local school board meetings.
	And that, oh, by the way, even if your kids are not in school, you should still be going to that meeting because you're responsible for what happens in your society, in your community.
	I work a lot in counter-trafficking, as you know, Russell.
	And, you know, some people want to know the truth about it and some people are like, I can't deal with it.
	It's that kind of thing.
	I'm a person who's confronted.
	I'm not afraid of confrontation.
	When a bomb explodes, typically I'm running towards the scene and not away from it.
	So it's easier for me to say we have to confront this.
	My entire life has been about confronting the truth and dealing with it.
	So of course I believe in that and I believe that people ultimately want the truth.
	It's like when I had cancer, I didn't want my doctor to lie to me.
	I didn't want to hear I had cancer, but I wanted the opportunity to deal with it, right?
	I didn't want you to take that from me.
	Even if it was, you know, having a few weeks to say goodbye, I don't want to lose that opportunity to go out on my terms.
	And I think this is what it's really about right now.
	And people are starting to realize that this idea that we can, you know, just show up to vote, maybe even not show up to vote if it's inconvenient, and somehow there's an expectation that people are going to deliver what they say.
	And you don't have to hold them accountable.
	I think those days have come to an end.
	Now, there's a question.
	We're at the beginning of revelation, in a sense, right?
	We're just finding out what USAID has been doing.
	When I testified before Ron Johnson's committee, I talked about USAID. I talked about exactly what was exposed by Elon Musk and the Doge team.
	And so there's other people who've known about this.
	We've all been screaming about it.
	But because we get dismissed as conspiracy theorists, thanks to the CIA going back to the JFK assassination, you know, you get attacked for telling the truth and you get rewarded for lying or, you know, turning a blind eye.
	That's been our system.
	Punish those who tell the truth if we don't like it.
	And if the people in control with information dominance and all the power they have don't like it and then, you know, and reward those who go along with the deception.
	Well, what we have here is a crisis in the system because people have said when they voted for Donald Trump the first time around...
	They said, they send a message to the world, we don't like the system anymore.
	The system doesn't work for us.
	We've watched, we've heard the promises, you know, we've voted you in time and time again.
	We've gone along with it and we're not okay with it anymore.
	Now, does everybody know exactly what that means and exactly what's coming?
	Of course not.
	None of us really do, right?
	Because we don't know what we don't know.
	But, Neil is 100% correct.
	That personal responsibility...
	That is what it's saying to each and every one of us now.
	Just as you're responsible in your local community, you're responsible for being aware, you're responsible for making informed decisions, and you can't escape that responsibility.
	Why?
	Because when you put a veil of secrecy over power, it never ends well.
	And it just doesn't.
	History shows us time and time and time again, it never ends well.
	You know, thank you so much.
	I'm so glad that our conversation covered the idea of personal culpability and responsibility.
	Politics doesn't need to be an entirely abstract facade, even as these new players enter onto the stage.
	And I feel like I'm experiencing political spectacle that I've never seen before, whether it's something like Elon Musk in the Oval Office, the $50 million worth of condom stuff.
	I mean, it just seems so novel and unusual to me.
	It's heartening to be reminded.
	It is unusual.
	Yeah, that we're participants in power.
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	Later on in the show, we're going to be talking about the Tulsi Gabbard confirmation and Trump's declaration that he's begun negotiations with Putin to bring about peace.
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	You're joining me, perhaps belatedly, for my conversation with Neil Oliver and the incomparable Lara Logan on Russell Brand's Day Free Oracles.
	We've already talked somewhat about the conspiratorial revelations that are flowing forth and only now will we pivot to the confirmation of Tulsi Gabbard's Some have said that Tulsi Gabbard's confirmation is the most significant, or at least her appointment is the most significant, of the Trump's second administration.
	Let's have a quick look before we move into that topic.
	All right, we have breaking news now.
	We have been watching, monitoring while that hearing was going on on Doge.
	We will get right back to it.
	But for now, Tulsi Gabbard.
	Has enough votes to become the next director of national intelligence?
	This would be the 14th member confirmed of Trump's choices for the cabinet.
	Six more to go.
	She's probably, and I don't want to jinx anything, she's probably the most important appointment of the Trump administration.
	Does it seem that way?
	I know there have been numerous things that have happened since Trump took office, Neil, that have concerned you, the mRNA.
	AI stuff, the purported takeover of Gaza with Trump saying things like we'll just take it over, that the three of us discussed last week, but surely something like the confirmation of Tulsi Gabbard's calls for optimism, broadly speaking.
	Do you reckon that that, along with these revelations, Neil, is an indication that this is a different type of government?
	If we had a different type of legacy media now, wouldn't we be saying, you know, wow, Tulsi Gabbard's part of the Trump administration.
	This is so much more effective than anything we would have experienced under a kind of Kamala first term or an Obama's ninth term.
	What do you say, Neil?
	I've listened, I suppose, to enough of the Of the back and forth around, you know, Tulsi Gabbard good, Tulsi Gabbard bad.
	You know, to know that, again, as we keep on saying ad nauseum, you know, it's a wait and see, see what actually happens.
	But the amount of dust that was kicked up by the mere suggestion of Tulsi Gabbard, I think, is meaningful.
	And I think on the face of it, it's absolutely a good thing.
	Absolutely a good thing.
	That she's been confirmed.
	I also, I very much defer to somebody, you played a clip there of Jeffrey Sachs.
	I very much am prepared to listen to someone like him.
	He's been an advisor to the UN Secretary General in his time.
	He's been someone that's had access.
	He's been someone to whom powerful people have gone to in search of wisdom and suggested direction.
	And if he thinks that Tulsi Gabbard is the most important appointment of the, you know, of Trump 2.0, then I'm going to be, I would be open-minded about that.
	I was also encouraged, you know, I've spoken in recent times, you know, to Kvork Almassian, who's Syrian.
	A Syrian investigative journalist.
	He was very interested in the fact that Tulsi Gabbard had put herself out there as having spoken to Assad and had spoken to the Assad regime and she drew a lot of flack for having been someone she was accused of being an Assad puppet or an Assad apologist.
	Speaking from personal experience, if you're accused of being a so-and-so puppet or a so-and-so asset, then you're attracting flat because you're over the target.
	And also, again, another voice like Kavor Kalmassian.
	I listen to him because I think he's got wisdom that I don't have.
	Majid Nawaz, of Pakistani heritage, Englishman, extremely knowledgeable, extremely insightful.
	And he has sounded, he said to me in conversation that he is positive about the likes of Tulsi Gabbard being there.
	And so I'm always ready to listen at least to what people whose opinions I respect are saying.
	And I certainly think there's enough excitement around her.
	But unless and until it actually became apparent what she was actually going to do, what she was actually going to be able to do, I'll just wait and see.
	But I think she's a good sign.
	Do you think, Lara, that Tulsi Gabbard is the type of appointee that can impact the permanent state interest that many of us believe are at least being disrupted by this administration?
	I think that's why she was chosen.
	I mean, if you look at Tulsi Gabbard, she doesn't have a history in intelligence, right?
	That's not her background.
	So she wasn't picked for that reason.
	And if you look at the Trump appointments, I think what's kind of interesting about this, right?
	You hear about Pete Hegset.
	Well, Pete Hegset, you know, was a captain.
	I mean, he's now in charge of generals and in charge of inchaya battlefields and wars and so on, right?
	He has a massive undertaking and a massive agency.
	He's never run anything like that.
	But why did Trump choose him?
	He chose him for the same reason he chose Kelsey Gabbard, for the same reason he chose RFK Jr. He chose these people to clean out the deep state.
	He knew exactly what experience they had and didn't have.
	And the old system, the old way of doing things, would have been to choose the person.
	You know, that sort of was consistent with a typical kind of choice in the past.
	You know, okay, Lloyd Austin, one of the worst defense secretaries ever in the history of the United States, who gave Afghanistan to terrorists.
	Okay, that guy is, you know, a more typical kind of appointee, right?
	Kelsey Gabbard is a very unusual appointee.
	And what I think is particularly valuable about her is the fact that she came from the Democratic Party.
	She comes from a more libertarian outlook.
	She did go and talk to Assad, as Neil pointed out.
	What this shows is that Trump is not just looking for sort of monolithic political reamplification, right?
	He's not just trying to be in an echo chamber.
	You're going to hear, I mean, I know Tulsi Gabbard.
	She's not going to keep quiet about her opinions.
	If she doesn't agree or she doesn't think something's right or she looks at something in a different way, she's going to make that known and heard.
	And that, to me, It's very important coming out of government.
	That's what RFK Jr. is going to do.
	He's not coming from the conservative movement or from the Republicans.
	He's also a lifelong Democrat.
	So having that difference of opinion, having a range of views being built into the executive branch, I think that's an incredible thing.
	I don't know how it's going to play out.
	I'm not sitting here as some cheerleader, but I do think it's worth mentioning.
	And then what's consistent about these appointments is that yet again, just like Luna in charge of the release of the JFK files and so on.
	These are all outliers, right?
	These are people who have made it very clear that they march to their own drum.
	You're not going to tell Tulsi Gabbard to fall in line and do this and do that because you chose her because she's the type who doesn't just fall in line.
	It doesn't mean she's not going to be a team player.
	Of course she is.
	But what it means is that Trump really has people here who also have been attacked, right?
	I mean, these people have shown themselves over and over again.
	They've been attacked.
	And you know what they didn't do?
	They didn't run and hide.
	And so you have a combination here of a range of views, and then you have people who have made it very, very clear that they're going to stand their ground and they're going to fulfill their mission.
	And then I think what you see happening is they're being selected not because they fit the typical profile, but because they don't fit that profile.
	And we are in the phase of government here of cleaning up.
	I mean, this is decades, if not longer than that, more than a century in the making, this deep state infrastructure that he's cleaning out.
	And so that's going to take people who are not of the faint of heart, people who are willing to be attacked, who are willing to be savaged across the media, if that's what happens, and who are going to stand their ground.
	So, you know, I can tell you in all my personal dealings with Tulsi, She is definitely a very interesting person.
	And I agree with Neil that when someone is over the target, that's when you hear the loudest noise.
	The louder they shout about how much they don't want Telsey, the more interested I am in seeing what Telsey's able to do.
	Because the one and most important thing it tells me is that she's not owned by the deep state.
	Russell, you already mentioned Whitney Webb.
	And I'm guessing like you, I... I pay a lot of attention to what Whitney Webb has said and what she continues to say.
	You've already alluded to her more recent comments about if you think it's that easy to get rid of the deep state, you've got another thing coming.
	And I think that has to underlie everything that I'm thinking, everything that I am saying.
	And I'm not ready.
	I'm certainly not about to say that I can make a value judgment about the integrity of someone like What she really means and what she really intends to do.
	But I would be absolutely prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt.
	It all comes down to whether or not it's, if that person realistically has their foot on pedals and their hands on the steering wheel, you know, or have they been equipped with, you know, the toy steering wheel and whatever that you give to a toddler in the passenger seat so that they can feel like they're driving.
	Time will tell.
	Are they actually able to do that?
	And there's also that analogy that I made before about the staff of the holiday resort compared to the guests that pass on through.
	There's also the idea of the brave soul that will, when asked, go over the top and run.
	You know, towards the enemy guns.
	Yeah, that's a great analogy.
	Compared to the behaviour of the generals five miles back in the chateau, you know, making the decisions and they're not going to get killed.
	You know, Tulsi Gabbard could be, you know, a cipher for that kind of person who is wholehearted and is prepared to charge the guns.
	But are they being given the covering fire genuinely and wholeheartedly by the people that are making the decisions?
	Unfortunately, we're still in this...
	In this limbo period in relation to the documents that were being promised they're going to be released, all the corruption that's going to get aired, the cleaning of the Ogian stables and all of the rest of it.
	But it's not happening yet.
	But you certainly, with Whitney Webb's wisdom in mind, it's only an opportunity to hope for the best, but always be prepared for more of the same.
	In the campaign period when...
	These characters began to coalesce around Trump.
	It was noticeable that there was a...
	Kind of vivacity and colour to his campaign with J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy that was absent from that sort of bland, sterile, anodyne, bureaucratic, democratic organisation that felt like a kind of conglomerate of empty ciphers and owned phantoms.
	And it does seem, at least whilst none of us can tell until they are in government to what degree To what degree they will be transparent, to what degree they will be anomalous, to what degree they will respond to the will of the public.
	But I can't help but think that, as Lara points out, with these kind of renegades that have been battle-tested and bulletproofed by adversity and abuse, if that is coupled with a diminishing of the permanent powers, which appears to be not the sole function, because there's a...
	Clearly an economic component, but an aspect of all of this sort of firing and slashing and 20,000 employees and voluntary redundancies, it seems like the strong intention is to create a very different type of government and to empower unusual leaders and individuals.
	And what's certainly sort of personally unique is like, you know, like Lara's saying and like you as well, Neil, I suppose, is some of these people now we know and we've spoken to and you, like...
	They don't seem like when I've encountered, say, Tony Blair or Gordon Brown or various other kind of political figures from the UK or Hillary Clinton, and you can almost feel the tremulous dread of deep state power oozing out of them like uranium.
	I feel like...
	Shoot, this is going to be different, isn't it?
	It seems to me that it's at least different.
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	I think it's quite a unique place that we're in culturally because...
	Before the modern period, everywhere on earth, whatever the different religion or culture was, every culture thought that they owed something to God or to the gods.
	They thought they owed something to the realm of the divine, which was real and which was intertwined with their life.
	And we pretend that isn't true now.
	We pretend that we can sort everything out ourselves.
	And incidentally, if you want to look at the book of Genesis, that's the offer that the devil makes to Adam and Eve in the garden.
	This is the offer that the snake makes to our ancestors.
	He says, you don't need to listen to God.
	You don't need to obey God.
	You don't need to take your power from above and follow his teachings.
	You can do it yourself.
	You can be gods.
	You shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
	That's the offer.
	And that's what we're doing.
	So, I mean, in that sense, it's literally satanic, the offer, right?
	Right.
	So we're in the point where we replaced God's will with human will.
	Just when you thought Trump could surprise you no further, he out of nowhere makes a post on his very own truth social saying war is over like a latter day lacquered John Lennon.
	Here is that Truth Social post where Trump says, and I can't read all of it, Neil and Lara, but the sort of gist of it is, I mean, this is like vintage Trump already.
	I had a lengthy and highly productive phone call with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
	We both reflected on the great history of our nations and the fact we fought so successfully in World War II. In short, Trump is saying we're on the precipice of a new peace deal and a type of new alliance with Putin.
	There's so much to unpack here, not least the fact that Trump seems to be able to intuitively construct propaganda on the fly.
	I wouldn't mind betting though, Lara, that we are probably closer to...
	A peace deal between Ukraine and Russia than at any point since Boris Johnson, Prime Minister of Britain, went over there and scuppered the last incarnation, presumably at the behest of Biden.
	Do you think, in spite of the extraordinary colours that appear in a post like this, not least Trump's claim to have invented the concept of common sense, that's buried in there somewhere, it's rather lovely.
	Do you think that we're sort of quite close to...
	Essentially believe that this is authentic and we're closer to achieving peace between Russia and Ukraine than at any point since this conflict began.
	Well, the Russia-Ukraine war should have been over a long time ago.
	I mean, if it was really just a fight between Russia and Ukraine, it wouldn't have lasted very long.
	It's only, you know, it's been sort of protracted because the West has been helping Vladimir Zelensky.
	And he's been dragging his own people out of their towns and cities and homes and forcing them at gunpoint to go to the front line and fight.
	So, I mean, this is a horrible war.
	The breadth of death and destruction is just awful.
	And it shouldn't have dragged on this long in the first place.
	And Trump, if you look at what he said on the campaign trail, he referred repeatedly to the fact that he was going to end this war as soon as he got into office.
	And if you look at what's been done, very little effort has been made to end this war up until this point.
	And it's really quite interesting because, you know, we have a very myopic view of the war in Ukraine.
	We just sort of very conveniently forget about the tens of thousands of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the East who have been massacred, you know, since the Maidan Revolution.
	We just, you know, sort of want to sweep that under the rug, the Crimea.
	The referendum, you know, that took place under Obama when people voted to go back to Russia.
	You know, Obama administration just dismissed that as if it was irrelevant.
	You know, and we ignore the history.
	We ignore the fact that Ukraine is a territory and not even a country.
	And we ignore the meddling of the West, the bio labs and all the other stuff, the CIA that's gone on there.
	And I mean, obviously, I'm not a prophet.
	I'm not talking to Trump.
	But so far.
	You know, what we have seen when Trump said, I'm getting the hostages out, you know, he's working hard to deliver on that.
	When he says that we're going to end the war in Ukraine, well, I mean, we have no reason to believe that he's not serious about that.
	Every indication that we have is that he is serious.
	And Vladimir Putin has been fighting pretty much the same globalist power that Trump is fighting.
	I mean, they're fighting it in different ways.
	But that's the reality.
	I mean, Putin's stance on transgenderism.
	Is exactly the same as Trump's.
	His stance on global institutions is the same as Trump's.
	His stance on climate is the same as Trump.
	I mean, you can keep going down the line.
	So it's not hard to see how there can be common ground.
	And one thing that we know is that the globalists do not want the United States and Russia working together in any way.
	How do we know that?
	Well, because the entire effort...
	From the first Trump administration was designed to make it impossible for Trump to work with Putin in any way because that would have been used as affirming the false narrative that Trump was somehow a Russian spy who owed his presidency to Vladimir Putin.
	So by putting that label on it...
	They made sure that they tied Trump's hands with respect to Russia in many ways.
	And when you look at the way the world is aligning right now, you look at the role of the North Koreans, you know, and their relationship with the Russians, you look at the role of the CCP, and how all these things are positioned, the US and Russia working together would be a very important strategic relationship, but it's been crippled and hindered by a false narrative.
	Well that's a brilliant take isn't it Neil?
	To see Putin and Trump as natural allies.
	Against globalism.
	How do you imagine the interests that clearly were backing the perpetuation of this war, whether they were media or corporate, the famous BlackRock proposals to rebuild a digital Ukraine, how are they going to respond to this new kind of diplomacy?
	And what does it tell us, Neil, when Trump seems to be able to translate his campaigning excellence, which was built on wit and spontaneity, Whether it be Donald Trump or anyone else,
	I am exhausted by the position that I was born and raised to subliminally accept that the world is supposed to run the way America says it does.
	I mean, what the hell is America doing in Ukraine?
	It's Europe.
	And that was the business, well, as far as you could, hypothetically, that was the business of European powers.
	You know, you go all the way back to the late 1990s when there were promises made that NATO wouldn't expand an inch into the east, expanded a thousand miles.
	What the hell is America doing there anyway?
	Yes.
	And that's before you get into all the intrigue about, you know, bioweapons labs and BlackRock and Vanguard up to their knees in it and Dick Cheney, you know, getting ready to take advantage of infrastructure and natural resources and all of the rest of it.
	And likewise, you know, there's Donald Trump.
	But again, I just mean him standing in for, you know, America saying we'll have the Israeli hostages back by the weekend or all hell will break loose.
	Again, why do we take it for granted that America, whoever the president is, is just going to step in and tell us how it's going to be, or else?
	I am definitely over that.
	And I think it's very interesting to watch Donald Trump playing brinkmanship at the moment, if he is, because you've got to wonder, has he already spent hours on the phone with Putin?
	Before and after he was elected and inaugurated and all of the rest of it.
	You know, is there in fact already something laid out that's just going to be revealed to us?
	I mean, who knows?
	But you would have to, having listened to people like Jeffrey Sachs, already mentioned, Colonel Douglas MacGregor and a host of other commentators besides, that Putin's in a very strong position.
	Militarily.
	The sanctions didn't break them, anything but.
	The ruble was supposed to be turned to rubble.
	It wasn't.
	You've got the machinations of the BRICS nations and all of the rest of it.
	You've got multi-polarity.
	And it's very interesting to watch an American president continuing to play brinkmanship in that arena and saying, I'm going to bring peace within five minutes of me getting into the Oval Office and that's just how it's going to be.
	Again, I say again, it is exhausting at my age and after all this time to continue to have to listen to a President of the United States say how the world is going to be.
	And Putin is strong.
	You know, Russia is battle-hardened after a couple of years of fighting.
	It has demonstrated its battlefield capacity.
	There's the Russian supersonic, hypersonic missile technology that's already...
	You know, unveiled to underline its potential without the need to fall back on nuclear armaments and all of the rest of it.
	But I think that is my take on it.
	I have been upset about and have questioned the legality of and the rightness of the war in Ukraine.
	From the minute it started, because it took five minutes online to find out about the US-led coup in 2014 and everything else that had happened since.
	It wasn't difficult to work out that the narrative that we were being fed was bollocks and that something else entirely was there readily to be understood.
	I don't know just the extent to which it has worked for Trump.
	In the past, you know, he throws something out there and it splashes cold water into everybody's face and everybody kind of reacts to it.
	You know, whether or not he's able to play the same game.
	But there are all sorts of reasons to be wondering about what on earth is going on in Ukraine.
	Again, I say, what on earth was America doing there?
	Why was America at war with Russia in Ukraine?
	You know, there's been plenty of questions asked about just exactly what on earth was going on there.
	And to come in now and say, well, I'm just going to say that the war's over and I'm going to declare peace in Europe.
	Really?
	Are we still supposed to accept that that is the gift of a US president?
	I'm over it.
	Well, Lara Logan claimed earlier that there's a covenant between God and the United States of America as, in a sense, they're an angel nation.
	Well, okay.
	We'll get into that.
	But also, I think that's an interesting point that Neil's making.
	What is the international role of America?
	Certainly, as America rescinds its set of obligations, both military and economic, to countries outside of you guys' nation, seems increasingly reasonable to ask whether or not American isolationism would be beneficial to both America and potentially the world.
	And also...
	When we began this conversation, we were talking about submerged narratives around everything from 9-11 to the murder of JFK. Why was there a conflict between Ukraine and Russia in the first place, in particular vis-a-vis the involvement of the United States of America?
	In short, there's surely a tale to be told about America's true interests in this conflict.
	And in a way, whatever we think about...
	Donald Trump's extraordinary diplomatic style certainly seems like it's a war that shouldn't be continuing, that needn't have ever involved the United States of America.
	It's costing a bunch of money, and it's difficult, other than the sort of obvious contenders listed by Neil there, to think of who's benefiting from it anyway.
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	Well, there's something very odd about Ukraine in this moment of where we are.
	There's so many roads that lead back to Ukraine.
	And for a tiny little territory in Europe, it has an outsized impact and role in many different aspects of what we're looking at.
	So one, for example, is, well, why did Alan Dulles, the former head of the CIA, protect the Nazis of Ukraine from the Nuremberg trials?
	Why was that?
	I mean, when Hitler invaded Ukraine, established Western Ukraine as the headquarters of the Nazi SS, Western Ukraine played a very, very, very big role in much of the bloodshed.
	And murder that happened during the Second World War.
	And yet the CIA protected the Nazis of Ukraine.
	And we find that out in Operation Paperclip and in the finest papers.
	You know, we find it out years later when these documents are declassified.
	But no one's ever held accountable for that.
	Nobody ever answers for that.
	And then, you know, Putin says, I'm going into Ukraine to get rid of the Nazis.
	And everybody jumps up and down in outrage and says, how dare he, you know, sort of disregard the...
	I mean, there were a lot of Ukrainian Nazis who participated in those murders.
	And by the way, they got away with it because of the CIA and the U.S. playing a big role in that.
	And then also, their descendants are still there.
	They're not neo-Nazis.
	They're not some new creation.
	If you look at the media before the Russians invaded, you will see a plethora.
	of stories all about the Nazis of Ukraine.
	I have saved, you know, countless photographs of the Azov battalion, which is more like a division if you look at the numbers, or Ukrainian division, that had the Nazi Schwarz sticker as their symbol.
	I have photographs of them flying the Schwarz sticker and doing the Nazi salute and so on.
	So the US and Europe and Canada, the West, has been arming And equipping the Nazis of Ukraine for decades.
	Boris Johnson hosted the Azov Battalion in a private members club in London.
	And Vladimir Zelensky gave a standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament to an actual veteran of the SS in the Canadian Parliament and called him a hero for fighting.
	For fighting World War II. That's right.
	Against Russia, so that we were invited to walk through the Looking Glass and join Alice in Wonderland.
	Who won the Second World War?
	Well, that's a very good question.
	Was there intention to defeat fascism and Nazism?
	Or was it just uplifted and transplanted to somewhere else until it was needed again?
	But yes, you're absolutely right.
	You know, the Nazism that was not neo-Nazism, but Nazism in Ukraine was there for all to see.
	And remember, all of that is happening while, you know, anyone who believes in nationalism or Donald Trump or whatever is being demonized as a Nazi by the people who are funding the real Nazis and protecting the real Nazis in Ukraine and other places.
	So you kind of can't make it up.
	And you really wonder why, when that history comes out, you don't even hear the Jewish lobby.
	Standing up in outrage and saying, hey, how could this be?
	This is wrong.
	We need a full accounting and we need a full reckoning and a full record of history.
	We need the whole truth.
	So that's extraordinary.
	And then if you remember, diplomatic protocol in the West is that foreign ambassadors do not involve themselves in elections and partisan local politics because it's against the diplomatic code.
	It's how you get yourself kicked out of the country.
	But the Ukrainian ambassador to the US in 2016, during the campaign against Hillary Clinton, he didn't feel anything about writing an editorial weighing in and basically saying that Ukraine stood with Hillary Clinton and they wouldn't work with Donald Trump.
	Well, that's kind of odd, isn't it?
	For a small territory in Europe that is, you know, extremely dependent on US tax dollars.
	To take a position like that that broke with more than a century of diplomatic protocol.
	And then what do you find out?
	Well, you find out that this woman, Alexandra Chalupa, who was a democratic operative for the DNC, was very involved in the whole Russia collusion narrative.
	And then you find out the U.S. finally admits that it did have bio labs all over Ukraine.
	And then you start to look at, well, what is this going on with...
	With the Maidan revolution, you got Victoria Nuland, Obama's Secretary of State, handing out bloody cookies on the streets.
	Are you kidding me?
	And then you have leaked conversations of Newland and, you know, a senior diplomat, U.S. diplomat at the time, you know, talking about selecting who was going to lead Ukraine and who wasn't.
	You have John Solomon's reporting.
	John Solomon from Just the News who got eviterated on the floor of the House during the first impeachment because what did he dare to do?
	He dared to expose that, you know, the Open Society Foundation under George Soros.
	An NGO, for goodness sake, was directing U.S. policy through the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, telling the U.S. ambassador to tell the Ukrainian government who they could and couldn't investigate for corruption.
	And then, by the way, you have Joe Biden saying, you know, boasting at the Council on Foreign Relations that I told them, do this, do that, and if you don't do it, you're not getting the billion dollars.
	And don't you think it's kind of odd that then Hunter Biden turns up and he's on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian oil company, and it's like all these roads constantly lead you back to Ukraine.
	Maria Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador, who, can I just say, you know, actually works for the United States people, right?
	She tells the government in Ukraine, don't worry about Donald Trump.
	Back in 2016-17, she says, he's not the real leader of America.
	We've got this.
	What the hell did she mean by that?
	You know?
	And why wasn't she ever held accountable for subversion and treason?
	And so you have this tiny territory that is now the recipient, and I don't know, how many billions are they?
	Why do we care so much about what is happening in Ukraine?
	This country that has been laundering money for the elites for an extraordinary period of time, it has an outsized level of importance that really doesn't add up.
	Plainly, I would say, I mean, that's before you get to, well, obviously, Zelensky's been on.
	Trumpeting, whatever it is, $14 trillion worth of rare earth metals, you know, in the very part of Ukrainian territory that Putin has occupied and all of the rest of it.
	But I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that that part of Europe, that part of Eastern Europe, and call it Ukraine, call it anything else, has an almost mythical importance for the great powers.
	Because as you say, Lara, You look on at it, at the intensity of the determination to be involved in that part of the world, and all of the strangeness that is inherent in it, be it the Nazism and all of the rest of it that is in that part of the world, you almost have to begin to wonder if there isn't some other unspoken ideological determination to be in control of that person.
	Absolutely.
	Apparently Putin took the remains of Potemkin out of a burial ground in Ukraine and repatriated it back to Russia because of the personal significance that Potemkin had for him.
	But there's more to it.
	it feels like there's a missing piece in the puzzle.
	That as you say, the great powers are circling, vulture-like around that part of Europe.
	It doesn't add up unless we get to hear exactly something else that we're not being told.
	And by the way, if you look at Odessa and Lugansk and all of these cities across eastern Ukraine, when you start to dig into it, you find that thousands and thousands of Russian citizens have been murdered by the Ukrainian government and nobody says a word.
	It's like none of those people matter.
	And then, by the way, people who mostly speak Russian, they stand up and they vote in their own referendum.
	And going back to your thing, Neil, that you're tired of hearing U.S. presidents say this and say that, and Obama sits there and says, well, that's not a legitimate election.
	Who the hell are you?
	Who the hell are you to say that when people, you know, stand up and vote and say, this is what we want, we want to go back to Mother Russia, that there's no merit in that?
	How do you know that?
	You know, I just feel like there's been so much dishonesty around this.
	Oliver Stone did, of course, a great, you know, documentary about the Maidan revolution, the color revolution carried out in Ukraine.
	And it's interesting, not just because of what it tells you about the region, but because the tactics that were used.
	You know, and when you start to dig a little deeper, what you find is it's not just that we're killing people in the crowd to make them angry and to make them rise up.
	They were also killing people, you know, on the Ukrainian military side.
	And what you increasingly find when you dig a little bit deeper is that these people find both sides of the conflict.
	And they, you know, they really do pit people against each other.
	You're told the Second World War they were fighting to stop fascism.
	Okay, but then you look at the communists.
	Well, let's see.
	Do the communists believe in God?
	No.
	Do fascists believe in God?
	No.
	Do they believe in free markets?
	No, neither of them believe in free markets.
	Freedom of thought?
	No, no, that's not allowed.
	Freedom of speech?
	Good God, no.
	Are you kidding me?
	And what you start to see is that they're not really very different at all.
	You know, they're two sides of the same coin.
	And so you start to feel sort of increasingly manipulated.
	I bet when you scratch the surface, you'll find that the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, you know, it's full of people who are funded by the George Soroses of this world, right?
	Adolf Hitler was on the record saying that the best recruiting ground, you know, for new Nazis was the Communist Party.
	There you go.
	You're dealing with people opposite ends of a straight line.
	It's a circle.
	And the closer you get to midnight, the fascists and the communists are right there.
	They start to look more and more alike.
	And you just snatch them across that little boundary and they're in the opposite camp because they're just dissatisfied people.
	Of the extreme left.
	And it doesn't really matter to them what side of that divide they're on.
	No, you know, they've made Hitler, right?
	Hitler's the big sort of great orator, the great demon.
	But, you know, you were just, you know, rounded up and executed if you didn't cheer for Hitler, right?
	I mean, and he was a low-level officer or a low-level member of the German military.
	Was he really this great orator?
	Or was it the power that was behind him?
	You know, the Himmlers and the Goerings and the Goebbels.
	Were they the real power?
	Was he a puppet like AOC who was plucked from a bar, you know, and is like a little talking monkey.
	She does whatever she's told.
	How many talking monkeys are there in Congress right now?
	There's, you know, and I'm not saying that in a racial sense.
	I mean as a puppet.
	You know, as a little puppet that's just doing what it's told.
	It seems like, I mean, half these people, they're halfwits.
	How on earth could they get elected?
	They get selected.
	And they get boosted and they get put forward.
	And they dance when they're told to dance.
	And then they change the dance when it's a different one.
	I mean, now you start to dig up these videos and you see them all parroting.
	We're in a constitutional crisis.
	Well, they said that last time.
	It's literally the same playbook over and over again.
	And you wonder how far back it goes.
	Because it's very familiar now.
	And it's not working anymore.
	That's the good news.
	But, you know, the deep state is like a snake shedding its skin right now.
	And snakes have a habit of slithering in little corners and hanging out in the dark.
	And, you know, they come back looking very different, right?
	And that's what you're dealing with here.
	We haven't even begun to take the lid off.
	All of this has been happening.
	And we don't know if it's going to hold because we don't know what form that snake then takes and what, you know, bill of goods we get sold next and how that emerges.
	But the one thing I would say to you, Russell, that I don't agree with, when you keep on saying we're on the verge of a new form of government, I think we're on the verge of an old form of government.
	We're just being true to it.
	If you look at the Constitution...
	And this country, as it was founded, and you look at the Republic, all we have to do is uphold what was already created for us.
	We don't have to invent a new form of government.
	What's new is if people are actually telling the truth, if people actually stay true to those principles, and they actually uphold and fulfill the oath of office, and they do what they said they would do, and their actions match their promises and their words.
	Would be a revolution.
	That's a beautiful analysis, as always.
	It strikes me as intriguing that the Ukraine conflict inherited the cynicism and type of scrutiny that we'd become familiar with in the pandemic.
	In particular, I mean, independent and online journalism.
	We're due to technology and the miracle of modern communications.
	In real time, we were inquiring and exposing false narratives almost as they were being unleashed upon us.
	The Nord Stream pipeline story being one that comes to mind as an idea that was initially pushed, as well as those missiles that were said to have come from Poland, which appeared to be an initial attempt to exacerbate the conflict.
	It fell away when people were able, like, you know, significant and verifiable trusted voices like, I think it was Seymour Hoffman, were able to sort of point out through their reporting that we were being lied to almost as it was happening.
	And I feel that, you know, we began our conversation talking about conspiracy theories, and in a sense, maybe the reason that the categories of misinformation and disinformation have had to be created is because now it's impossible.
	If a sitting president were murdered now, The proliferation and dissemination of dissenting information would be so immediate and so thorough that you would have a significant early opposition.
	What struck me too when you were talking about the kind of time frame that these events are taking place over when you look at the Nazi involvement in the history of Ukraine and you mentioned Project Paperclip is sometimes while listening to you both I get a glimpse of an ulterior and obfuscated history that likely takes place,
	as you said, serpentine and reptilian in the shadows and that perhaps these revelations that we discussed in part one will puncture, permeate and prevent From proceeding.
	So what I mean by a new type of politics is it seems like since the advent of the Constitution, there have been forces working continually against it.
	And I'm reading a bit about that at the moment and the Congressional Pact that it emerged out of, or the Confederate Pact, rather, excuse me, that it emerged out of.
	And it seems that there's always been a tension in the United States of America between centralised power and regionalised power.
	And one of my hopes is that all of this anti- Bureaucratic and end to autonomous bureaucracy conversation will lead precisely to empowered individuals and communities like Neil suggested it, or if it's to mean anything at all, it surely must.
	Thank you both of us, both of you.
	I'm not one of you two.
	Thank you both of you for being so lucid and articulate as always.
	I want to mention to our audience that we're at Mar-a-Lago next week.
	When I say we, I mean me, although you two are, of course, both in...
	I'm going to be there, Russell.
	I'll see you there.
	Are you not going to be there?
	Neil, we should get you.
	Neil, you should come.
	Neil, you should come and we'll do the show from there.
	It's a long way from Sterling, Russell.
	So right for you.
	Everything's a long way from...
	Everything's a long way from Sterling, Neil.
	That's why we put you there.
	But this could be a chance for you to...
	It's Lara live from Mar-a-Lago.
	There's a gargoyle gurgling live with Lara at Mar-a-Lago.
	Why don't you come?
	We'll pay for you, Neil.
	We'll pay for you to come to Mar-a-Lago.
	Come on, Neil.
	What day of the week is it?
	It's February 18th.
	And we did a competition.
	Obviously, like, I don't know why you don't know this, Neil.
	Mike Tyson and myself are quite rightly, and some would say all too late, being honoured.
	Are you squaring off against one another?
	We're going to fight naked at Mar-a-Lago.
	Winner takes all.
	It's winner takes all.
	I feel like...
	Fantastic.
	Yes, well, I'll have to speak to my social convener, but let me get back to you.
	That's brilliant.
	That's my wife.
	So, and you, beloved audience member, if you're a member of Rumble Premium, you could be joining us as well.
	I asked you, when did the original founder of Mar-a-Lago start their business?
	If you can answer that question and you're a member of Rumble Premium, you could be joining us next Tuesday at Mar-a-Lago.
	And by us, I mean me, Lara Logan, and hopefully Neil Oliver too, flown in especially from Stirling, from one castle to another, from the sublime to the ridiculous.
	Join us for Oracle's Live at Mar-a-Lago next week.
	I mean, that sounds good.
	Our shows are going to be from there next week.
	Please become a member of Rumble Premium if you can.
	Thank you, Lara Logan, for joining us.
	I'm looking forward to seeing Lara Logan and Mar-a-Lago.
	Wow, Neil.
	Yeah, that's like Jabberwocky stuff.
	Thanks for today, Lara Logan.
	Thank you, Russell.
	Thank you, Neil.
	Neil, you've been on safari again.
	I think it's high blood pressure, Lara.
	One last question.
	How far at Mar-a-Lago?
	Mar-a-Lago's not that far.
	Not for Lara Logan, or for me.
	Mar-a-Lago's relatively recent.
	We're going to do Othello at Mar-a-Lago.
	I'm going to play Iago with Lara Logan in the part of Othello at Mar-a-Lago.
	It's going to be brilliant.
	Come, Neil.
	You should be there.
	Is there a bar at Mar-a-Lago?
	Of course there's a bar at Mar-a-Lago.
	You're going to have to have a bar at Mar-a-Lago.
	Is there a bar?
	There's more than one, Neil.
	It's not that far, then, to meet Lara at Mar-a-Lago.
	If there's a bar at Mar-a-Lago, you've got to meet Lara at Mar-a-Lago.
	Come on.
	I'm not even going to try.
	I'm going to sit this one out and leave it to you two experts.
	Well, thank you very much, both of you, for joining us.
	Come on, Neil.
	Are you there?
	We want you there, Neil.
	Come get me.
	A safari at Mar-a-Lago with Neil Oliver, clad for safari as always.
	Thank you very much for joining us for Stay Free Oracles with Lara Largo.
	Oh no, with Lara Logan and Neil Oliver.
	We'll be at Mar-a-Lago next week.
	See you there.
	Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
	Until then, if you can, stay free.
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