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Sex, Power & OnlyFans: A Candid Conversation with Lily Phillips – SF534
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Hello there, you awakening wonder.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
It's a super special episode with Lily Phillips.
In a way, it's a kind of clash of the titans of promiscuity.
Me as a former denizen of that world of hedonism, epicureanism and mad lasciviousness, now redeemed, saved.
Listen, before coming to Christ, I recognised that a life of monogamy was going to be advantageous, but it's a brilliant conversation that talks about the commodification of sex, the objectification of people, and how that actually happens beyond.
Just sex.
You know, looking at people in just economic terms would be another example of that.
And we talk about Lily Phillips as a kind of entrepreneur and businesswoman.
And if you extract the sanctity and sacredness from sex, which many people from across the political and cultural spectrum are attempting to do, then what's wrong with wandering the streets with effluvia on your face?
It is an interesting question, and it's one of the questions that we discuss.
We'll also be looking at my island, the United Kingdom.
A man born there who loves the country and what's happening there under the bizarre stewardship of Keir Starmer, duplicitous authoritarian and legislator, a man who seems determined to turn the United Kingdom.
We'll be looking at that.
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Let's get into today's first story about Keir Starmer.
The Lily Phillips interview will be coming up soon, so be sure to stay.
With us for that, because Lily Phillips is a woman who can handle a marathon.
I'm a man who can handle a marathon.
Can you go the distance with us?
It's a pretty extraordinary conversation.
I will tell you that.
And with that, if you've not seen Break Bread yet, have a look at Break Bread with Russell Brand.
We've got Paul Kingsnorth coming up and available to Rumble premium members of my conversations with the apologist and theologian, Wes Huff, as well as my conversations with Tucker.
Loads of fantastic content there.
You may not have been able to visit a newborn baby or watch your grandmother die in hospital, but Keir Starmer, Prime Minister of the UK's larynx, why?
That is an issue of international importance.
Hello there, you awake and wonder.
Thank you for joining me every day, Monday to Thursday, for our Rumble stream on Stay Free, where we talk about things that matter, like hypocrisy and deception, like globalist leaders who claim they care for you, breaking the rules that they endorse.
During the pandemic...
The Labour Party, that's our centre-left globalist party that runs the UK, weren't in power.
And they derided and condemned Boris Johnson, centre-right politician, for breaking Covid rules.
They had parties.
They had fun.
They had a gay old time of it there in Westminster and Downing Street while you were locked in your home, surf, while you were told what to do, while you were taking medications that hadn't been trialled or tested in the manner that you were told they had been, while Pfizer and Moderna were making profits, while you were taking medications that hadn't been trialled or tested in the manner that you were told they had been, while Pfizer and Moderna were making profits, Keir Starmer was getting his larynx interfered with, and Boris Johnson was partying like it were 1999 and
So what is this story about?
It's a story about hypocrisy and deception.
is a story about leaders like Gavin Newsom or Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer across the Atlantic, across the Isles, across political divides, believing that they're different from us, believing that they can set laws, vague laws.
Then they can decide who on a paddleboard might have to be dragged off and imprisoned in Gavin Newsom's California, not necessarily imprisoned, and who is able to just do what they want.
Is it?
This is all of course, resurfacing and being discussed in light of the fact that Keir Starmer, on Christmas Eve, during the pandemic, had his voice...
Leonie Mellinger, a name that sounds like a kind of vocal exercise, Leonie Mellinger, Leonie Mellinger, Leonie Mellinger, over on Christmas Eve, while you couldn't watch, I don't know, elderly relatives die, or babies be born, or go to church, or do anything, because actually what was being advanced during that period, if you don't know yet, was the normalisation of mass control, the normalisation of mass medical programmes.
Things were put before us, I would say, and normalised.
And I would say that's something we have to be alert to to this day, regardless of what political party is in government, because Keir Starmer, who made bold claims that he would resign if ever he was found to have breached Covid laws, guess what?
Guess what?
Breached Covid laws.
How extraordinary that these people...
How extraordinary that these people that are not willing to do inquiries into actual rape gangs break laws.
How extraordinary that these people that have clandestine meetings with the CIA about Julian Assange, as some would say, don't act morally around issues like free speech or freedom more generally.
Let's have a look at how this story broke in the UK about Keir Starmer.
Two-tier Kia, Kia Starmageddon, having voice coaching during the pandemic.
And you might think, oh, this is a while ago, but it's a litmus test for how they conduct themselves.
We're always talking about moral authority and righteousness and ethics and how people behave now and how people behaved in the past.
Well, here are people with actual power.
And by power, I mean the ability to tax you and take your money.
And send it to a foreign country to perpetuate a war.
By power, I mean the ability to ensure that people without trial can be incarcerated in Belmarsh.
That's Julian Assange, of course.
I'm talking about real economic and military power.
So their morality matters.
At least that's what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
Let's take a look at this Keir Starmer story about lawbreaker Keir and his larynx adjustments.
During a time of respiratory pandemic, apparent respiratory pandemic.
Also, don't you always ask the question, what did they know that we didn't know?
Because remember, the lockdown wasn't meant to be a punishment.
They weren't locking you in your home to hurt you.
Remember, they were doing it to protect you.
So you're applying those protections to yourself and the people you love.
No.
Ha!
Ha!
Maybe we can't trust them.
When it comes to anything, if they knew, for example, that the coronavirus was not so serious that you shouldn't see people, they knew that then.
They didn't tell you because it weren't convenient.
Let's have a look at this story.
This is a British equivalent of one of those morning shows you have in America with a former Chancellor, I believe, Ed Balls, or at least Shadow Chancellor, who became secondarily famous when he went on one of those dancing shows that people go on and make you realise they were never serious about politics in the first place.
Let's see what he says now as a media stooge about this subject.
And I've not watched it yet, so maybe he gives a brilliant line of inquiry and analysis.
Let's see.
The Prime Minister was asked about it last night.
It's in a new book.
By Patrick Maguire, Gabriel Pogren, called Get In.
And it concerns what happened.
Get in.
That's what we've got to do.
Get in.
Once we get in, then we can govern fairly and justly and help people, which is what we're all about.
Get in.
So it's a new book about the tactics deployed by Labour to get in to office.
Astonishing.
Concerns what happened at Christmas 2020 during the lockdown.
Also, get in is what you had to do.
Get in your house.
Also, get in is what those vaccines had to do into your arm.
Get in.
Get in line.
Do as you're told.
Don't ask any questions.
And if you do ask questions, we've got a policy for that as well.
Down.
Boris Johnson had announced that London, the South East had gone into full lockdown again.
And that book reports that on Christmas Eve, the prime minister had a visit from his voice.
Christmas Eve visit.
Who is he?
Scrooge!
On Christmas Eve, you will be visited by...
The ghost of Christmas present?
No, a voice coach.
No one likes that nasal droning voice you've got, Keir.
It's annoying, people.
Oh, well, it is annoying, isn't it?
Immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
The return of the sausages.
The hostages.
His voice coach called Leonie Melinger and that she qualified according to the book for key worker status.
At that time, we weren't allowed to meet families and friends in more than groups of six, and people weren't going to work other than for key workers.
When you look up...
The definition of key worker at the time, these were people delivering vital frontline services.
Now, you as a health minister...
Quick!
It's an emergency!
What is it?
Keir Starmer's voice is annoying!
That's...
It's not like food.
It's not like a St. Bernard rescuing someone in the snow on an alpine range.
Help me!
Help me!
Yes, what is it?
My voice is a bit annoying.
It's not like that guy that had to saw his arm off because he was trapped in a creek.
Help me.
Help me.
I need vocal support.
My voice is a bit annoying.
Keir Starmer's voice might be a bit annoying, but it's not an emergency, and helping it to be less annoying is not key work, particularly when what he says with his still annoying voice is mostly lies.
Incendiary rhetoric which prioritises the encroachment on free speech and the penalisation of free speech over, for example, inquiring into rape gangs.
Don't look into that rape gang.
No, no, what did you say?
Don't do an inquiry into those rape gangs.
Can you just...
I can't understand what you're saying.
I said...
I said, don't post that on Facebook or you're looking at five years!
As a health minister, talking all the time to nurses, to care workers, Key workers.
If they are angry that at the time the Prime Minister's voice coach was treated as a key worker and say, what are you talking about?
That's ridiculous.
What would you say to them?
Look, it was a terrible time for all of us, wasn't it?
And we're starting to see again the sort of mudslinging that we saw before by some of the Conservatives.
Yeah, it's a terrible time, you know, because the mudslinging, we all remember it was mostly the mudslinging.
No, it wasn't mudslinging that was annoying.
What it was was a globalist coup that put people in their homes, shamed people if they wouldn't take medicine, controlled information and normalised the control and censorship of free speech online, that demonstrated...
Integration of government agencies like the FBI, CIA and presumably British equivalents into social media sites that normalise the idea that the government should be in control of what you're able to discuss.
People that had vaccine injuries were shamed and censored and still to this day vaccine companies have indemnity and any payouts that the vaccine injured, because they have been injured, receive will come from the same government, ultimately making us pay for this stuff like two or three times while encroaching continually.
On our freedoms.
It weren't about mudslinging, it was about corruption.
...around that at this time when we know that there are actual real parties going on at this time.
Real parties, you know, real parties, real parties is the problem.
Real parties, voice coaches, it amounts to the same thing.
You lot do this.
We're going to do that because we're better than you.
We understand reality better than you.
How else could we make claims to be able to control your free speech or demand that you take medications or demand that you fund foreign wars or put you in jail for speaking openly or any of the...
Thousands of everyday corruptions that flow out of centralised power.
How could we legitimise it except unless we thought we were better than you and therefore exempted from rules that you, you surf class, have to obey?
We couldn't do it.
So what this story does is just exposes something that you all know to be true, that you've always known to be true.
They think they're better than you.
They think they should be out of control of you.
They say there is no God, so they can lay claim to the power that only that God can responsibly handle.
Going on at this time.
I'm not a conservative, and I'm just reporting what's in the book.
I'm just asking, factually, is the Prime Minister's voice coach a key worker on Christmas Eve?
His voice is quite annoying.
I mean, have you heard his voice?
Oh yeah, no, it's kind of an emergency.
The return of the sausages.
Please, please, it's Christmas Eve and we've got to do something about the sausages.
I mean hostages!
On Christmas Eve 2020, yes or no?
So my understanding of the Tier 4 at that time in London is that people were working and that this was part of working for presentations that the now Prime Minister had to make.
Well, I actually think if you look up the definition of key worker at the time, it was those needed to run the justice system, religious staff, charities and workers delivering key frontline services, and in government, administrative occupations, delivering effective delivery of the COVID-19 response.
Now, is the Prime Minister's voice...
Actually, your voice is quite annoying.
You should get a voice coach yourself.
Now, listen, this is what I consider to be, like, maybe voice coaches...
Maybe voice coaching is absolutely vital when these various conduits of propaganda and deception are conveying their duplicitous message.
Is the Prime Minister's voice coach vital to delivering a key frontline service or the effective delivery of the COVID-19 response?
Because that is a key worker.
So my understanding is that at that time, a tier four in London, that people were at work for work-related reasons.
So not just key workers.
My understanding is that people are at work for work-related reasons.
How exhausting.
How exhausting to be a contemporary politician and just have to hold aloft an umbrella of perpetual deception continually.
My understanding isn't as key words.
I'm just exhausted.
As a person who presumably had goals and aims in life to get into government, to make a difference, to represent maybe the interests of women or the dispossessed, there could be countless various ways that a person might, with idealism, enter into politics.
And what do you find yourself doing?
Just reiterating some dumb...
Emphatic lump of language to protect the corrupt and ensure that varieties of corruption can continue as usual, whoever is in a position of power.
Because while we're talking about that, what we're not talking about is, wait a minute, wait a minute, weren't we censoring people during that pandemic period for talking about their own actual vaccine injuries?
Weren't we locking people in their homes?
Doesn't this point to the fact that...
There is some kind of weird, ulterior global power that temporarily and inadvertently revealed itself during that COVID pandemic when governments across the world cooperated in merry tyranny, whether it was in Canada with the truckers, or in the UK with the lies, or Gavin Newsom with his parties, or the enormous corporations that made tremendous profits, or the revelation that Bill Gates...
This is somehow involved in all of this and manufacturing vaccines and donating to the WHO. And that across the world, there are systems of power that conceal themselves.
And this, even this explanation that this politician is offering, is part of the masquerade and facade that defines contemporary politics and power as the real forces manoeuvre behind it, ensuring that we remain controlled, unable to act with sovereignty and potency.
It was okay because she was a key worker.
You're saying it was okay because she was a worker, whether she's a key worker or not.
I can't comment on the book or where the journalists had that information from.
I mean, that is a bit of a hypothetical for me at this point.
Okay.
Yeah, it's all hypothetical if there is no actual moral authority at the heart of leadership.
Here is Keir Starmer, the man with the most flexible larynx in Westminster.
Saying that if he was ever found guilty of breaking Covid rules, he would resign.
But if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice, I would, of course, do the right thing and step down.
It was politically expedient to say that then because Boris Johnson was found to have done wrong in having all those parties when he was the Prime Minister.
One thing I would say is that Keir Starmer's voice during that sounded...
Ever since the first Covid lockdown, I've always followed the rules.
In that time, the British people have made heart-wrenching sacrifices.
People were left desperately...
He's so close to saying sausages again, isn't he?
Keir Starmer famously said sausages when he meant hostages.
That means that he can probably never be allowed in Middle Eastern peace negotiations again.
I will not leave here till I get every last sausage.
Just give him the sausages.
Make sure they're halal.
No, don't even do that!
The sausages were separately lonely.
They were separated from family and friends.
Tragically, many were unable to see dying loved ones.
Many were unable to have even the most rudimentary vocal...
Coaching.
And one man I know in Leicestershire was at least an octave too low when speaking to his greengrocer from six feet away through an unnecessary mask.
Six feet was unnecessary at all.
La la la la!
Dying loved ones.
This was a collective sacrifice.
I was involved.
I barely had any voice listens.
La la la la!
Sacrifice.
People were entitled to expect.
That politicians would follow the same rules as everyone else.
La la la la!
Everyone else.
When my mother-in-law passed away suddenly just before the lockdown, I immediately went to a voice coach and said, can you please coach some sort of never-ending living spirit out of this woman?
Can you raise her up from the dead?
How good a voice coach!
Are you?
Do you even know it's Christmas?
My wife and I were unable to provide her father with the support we wanted to afterwards.
Because we followed the rules.
Barely a day has passed where we haven't agonised over that decision.
But we did it.
Because we followed the rules.
So you better hope those rules are not being set by...
Corrupt globalist interests by unelected bodies like NATO or the WEF. I will do whatever my overlords demand I do.
La la la la!
Because we followed the rules.
We all found the rules frustrating at times, and I'm no exception to that.
I had to isolate six times during Covid.
I wish you'd fucking isolate now!
Pulling me away from my work.
And the things that I love.
I could barely put anyone in prison for free speech or condone any rape gangs at all.
For the entire time I was on lockdown.
La la la la!
But I did it because we followed the rules.
The idea that I would then casually break those rules is wrong.
And frankly, I don't believe those accusing me believe it themselves.
They are just trying to feed cynicism to get the public to believe all politicians are the same.
I mean, they are, though, aren't they?
And that does feed cynicism.
My cynicism feels really nourished by that, by that speech, by that grandiosity, by the poor delivery of the sentiment.
They're just trying to be like gits.
They're worms.
They're worms.
They're worms in Satan's bum.
I'm here to say that they're not.
I believe in honour.
Integrity and the principle that those who make the laws must follow them.
Some people actually do know what you're supposed to do.
It's just they don't do it.
And I believe that politicians who undermine that principle undermine trust in politics.
Here we go.
He's getting somewhere.
He's going to say something now that he's going to have to act on.
Trust in politics undermine our democracy and undermine Britain.
And should therefore...
I'm absolutely clear that no laws were broken.
They were followed at all times.
I simply had something to eat while working late in the evening.
I was simply snacking away on a voice coach.
She tickling my larynx.
I have an unusual shaped family.
Hey, who's to judge the way I get my clothes or what donations are made and what I consider to be vital?
All corruption can be understood in one man's piety and righteousness, in his confidence and certainty that it's his opponents that feed cynicism while he feeds hope.
How must he reframe that speech made then, now that we know that he did break the rules?
And wouldn't a person...
With the integrity that he lays claim to there, absolutely resign right now.
Or are we going to believe that a vocal coach is a key worker and that Keir Starmer's voice is like the harp of David?
Playing mellifluous melodies of absolute truth into the heart of the governed.
I find that a little difficult to believe, but maybe I just ain't got the right voice coach.
But that's just what I think.
Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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Now, you've seen that the United Kingdom is in a place of disrepute and disrepair, perhaps because of bad globalist governors and leaders.
Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.
Wherever you're watching us now, X, YouTube, or wherever, surely you have the appetite to see some authentic English voices talking about something that matters.
And what matters more than sex, the power of creation and creativity itself, perhaps the act in which we are most like God, where there is a requirement for sanctity, where there is a requirement to acknowledge sanctity and beauty and love and truth.
I haven't always lived like that.
Of course, I was a very promiscuous, hedonistic individual.
That's why I was fascinated to talk to Lily Phillips.
Lily Phillips is a...
Lily Phillips is an OnlyFans model and cultural phenomenon undertaking online escapades that celebrate the orgiastic, having it off with like 35 guys one day, having sex with 100 men in an afternoon, reaching numerical records in a place that many people still consider to be sacred.
But wow, I remember there was a time where I felt like I was being celebrated as a womanizer, celebrated for sleeping with hundreds and...
It's something that for a number of reasons, some of which are pretty obvious, I've come to regard in a very, very different light.
That's why I'm fascinated to speak with Lily Phillips, my fellow English person, my fellow person potentially caught in a whirlwind of the power of carnality.
Lily Phillips, thanks so much for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
No, thank you so much for having me on.
I appreciate it.
I'm obviously fascinated to talk to you on this basis.
You know, I've been famous, I guess, for a long time and so much of my fame has been connected to sex and sexuality.
The books that I wrote, like my autobiography, really cover, I think it begins with me in a sex addiction treatment centre.
When I was a famous person, I was notorious, famous for my promiscuity.
I've acknowledged that in the past I paid for sex and openly admit that I've had addiction issues around sex.
It's been further complicated by the fact that some pretty serious allegations in our country have been made against me, which are untrue.
I recognised that I created conditions through my misuse of sexual power.
My misuse of sexual power.
Like sex is a, I believe now, and this is what I want to talk to you about, that sex is sacred and extremely powerful.
And that when I lived a life where I used sex like it was a kind of leisure activity and used my fame to access sex in ways that are spiritually It's difficult, spiritually difficult, because you have a kind of power when you're famous.
You'll start to experience it now, I suppose, your own version of it.
And when you have that power, it allows things to happen that are perhaps beyond certain moral boundaries, I would call it.
So the reason I want to talk to you is because...
In a way, you're an example of so many modern phenomena.
Internet fame, you know, you didn't used to get people being famous because of Instagram, and it's even more niche to be famous from OnlyFans.
And because what you've done is so sort of explicit and overt.
And I wanted to talk to you human to human about the impact and power of sex.
And I suppose let's start with, how did you...
Get into being an OnlyFans model and what's been your experience of how that's escalated?
Yeah so I mean growing up I was always very very sexual.
I could tell amongst my friends like I always loved sex a lot more than my friends even.
Like when I was 12, 13, I was always so much more curious than my mates were.
And then when it got to around, I was like 18 and I started to hear about this OnlyFans.
For me, I thought it was like the perfect job because it, you know, combines something I love, sex, with, you know, a job and like, you know, being able to monetize off that and being creative.
And so when I went off to university, I knew that what I went to university for wasn't quite what I wanted to do.
I wasn't really sure why I went to university.
I just kind of went because everyone else was.
And then that's when I was like, you know, I'm going to start an OnlyFans.
And at that time, this was like four and a half years ago.
So I didn't really know that it could do as well as it did.
I thought it might just be like a little side job while I'm at university and then yeah as soon as I got on the platform it kind of took off and I was able to kind of make good money and the job really wasn't taxing and so I kind of thought it was it was perfect.
Okay, we're going to continue our conversation exclusively on Rumble now, so click the link in the description.
I'm going to be talking to Lily more about the moral implications, the spiritual implications, and whether or not there are any boundaries to what she would do in the name of fulfilling and satiating her OnlyFans audience and whatever other drives are at the heart of this extraordinary phenomena.
Click the link in the description.
Remember, if you support us on Rumble Premium using the code BRAND, you get additional content, early access, So, initially, you've said like that...
You find sex joyful.
You enjoy it.
And, of course, sex is supposed to be joyful.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But also you've talked about money.
And I wonder about, like, of course, the arguments around the monetization of sex are long and ongoing moral arguments.
And I wonder why that even exists as a conversation.
I wonder why people even discuss the monetization of sex as opposed to the monetization of...
Making food.
I wonder why it's regarded as distinct from that.
When you went to university, mate, what was it that you went there to study?
It was nutrition.
So you're thinking maybe that you might become like a chef or something, I guess?
Yeah, something like that.
I just like to eat well and working out, so I thought maybe I can do that.
So fitness and wellness, you probably, I guess the age that you are, you're the kind of first generation of adults that it's conceivable that you can be an influencer, that you could be like, say, Joe Wicks, like in the world of health, or like all of the various stars that have emerged essentially out of online spaces, whether it's food or fitness, and there are incredibly niche areas now.
But I suppose because...
Sex, as I said in my introduction, is so uniquely powerful.
It seems that it requires a kind of reverence or respect.
Now, I don't know if you know, I became Christian quite recently.
And I always felt like the...
Controls around sex and rules around sex were about puritanism and control.
I really, when I was living hedonistically, I thought, oh my god, this is what it was like for me.
I felt like it was something I was really good at.
And suddenly it made me feel powerful as well and joyous and in love.
Even when I was sleeping around with lots of strangers, Lily, it felt kind of loving.
I felt like, I love these people.
This is amazing.
But sometimes it did take me to places that were pretty despairing and despondent.
I can remember occasions of having...
Sex with, like, multiple people at once.
All women, in my case.
You know, pretty vanilla, I guess.
And, like, afterwards feeling kind of broken.
And, like, you know, like, sometimes it would make me feel amazing.
Like, oh, we're all one.
This is incredible.
We're creating all of this pleasure.
But then sometimes afterwards I would feel like, whoa, I don't know about that.
Like, as if I'd been...
Contaminated, not by the individuals necessarily, but almost as if I'd been near some essence or something that shouldn't have been messed around with.
Have you ever had those feelings?
No, I do really enjoy sex.
Like you said, I get off on being with lots of people and things like that.
I feed off everyone's energy and things like that.
So for me, it is enjoyment and it is also a job.
So it's just kind of perfect for me.
I'm thinking about the moment in the film that you made when I feel like it was the day that you slept with a hundred men.
And I feel like there was a moment where you cried and were overwhelmed.
And I wonder when you reflect on that.
What do you feel that that was about, Lily?
I mean, obviously, now I look back on it, I was definitely exhausted.
And I feel as though, you know, I should have maybe set more boundaries with maybe the camera crew as to, like, give me, you know, a day to kind of actually, like...
you know take it all in because I think I kind of came straight out of having like a 14-hour sex marathon and went straight into questioning and yeah I mean it was I was definitely exhausted that's for sure and I think it was hard because with the time limit then created like sometimes people were unpleased And obviously these are people who have waited and
you know have maybe traveled far and are also like maybe fans of me and things like that and I didn't want to be...
I like to be a bit of a people pleaser.
I didn't want to let them down so I think that also created some like hostile situations where the guys were a bit like you're not going to give me more time like I've come far and I was like you know I'm trying to fuck 100 guys like I'm on a bit of a time crunch here.
So yeah that was also tricky to navigate.
It's interesting, Lily, that you say that the intimacy of being observed by a camera crew was intrusive.
So that's an acknowledgement that there are some things that require bounding and protecting.
And it's also interesting that you say that many of the male participants felt unfulfilled.
Now, what I would say is there's kind of no way that anybody could...
Be fulfilled.
Like, it's interesting when I speak to, I guess certainly before everything got on top for me in the United Kingdom with documentaries and attacks and stuff, like young men would say to me, oh my God, what's it like?
What's it like to be able to sleep with as many women as you want to?
And I would sort of say, it's kind of in some ways really, really amazing, but it's amazing mostly to know.
Something that most people will never know.
That you cannot be fulfilled by the pursuit of carnal pleasure.
That sex is not an object in itself, but a condiment, a kind of an accompaniment to love.
And also, sex is the act of the creator.
It's the act of creation, creating life.
I believe that sex is pleasurable.
Pleasurable, excuse me, Lily, because it's the act by which we create life.
It's when we are perhaps most like God.
And to misappropriate and misuse that power is transgressive, and to use a sort of a bit of an old-fashioned word, sinful.
Now, it's sort of different because men have...
I wonder what you think about this, Lily.
For men, if you didn't believe in God, from a biological perspective, men sleeping with lots of women kind of makes sense because a man don't get pregnant, a man's not going to bear the responsibility.
A man, if he wanted to, could just leave and his genes are passed on, his job's done.
For a woman, the act of sex carries a potentially quite high price as well as a potential for a great blessing of pregnancy.
And I wonder how you feel about...
How the act of sex could ever be anything else for you again?
Like, do you look at what you're...
I know this is not an absolute argument because we all do things when we're young that would not be appropriate when we're old, full stop.
But in particular, with regard to your attitude towards sex, can you imagine sex ever being sanctified again and an expression of unique and special love between you and someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with?
Not in that way.
I don't really believe in...
What's the word?
Like, I believe in...
Sorry, I'm trying to think of what's the word.
Like, I believe in having multiple partners.
I don't believe in monogamy.
That's the right word.
And so, not really.
I think sex can be special.
It doesn't necessarily mean, like, you have to just have sex with this one person for the rest of your life and make love and, you know, you're only having sex to have children.
I'm guessing is that something that you think is true, like, you only have to have sex if you want to make babies?
I've been thinking about it a lot, actually, and trying to understand it, particularly as a new Christian, because it seems like, Lily, if there is any censure against sex, Just for pleasure, then that would apply to everyone.
Because as a Christian, I'm looking at stuff around what it says in Scripture, around homosexuality, for example, and what it says in Scripture.
When I'm looking, it makes sense to me as an individual, with the experiences I've had, that the power of sex is sort of so great that it needs...
Managing, that it isn't something...
This might be a weird example, but it's sort of...
Demystifies it a little.
Like, phone use.
Because, like, the phone is such a powerful thing.
If you don't have a program around your phone, like, if you're going to, I'm just going to look at my phone whenever I feel like it, you might end up looking at your phone all the time.
You might end up looking at your phone in the dead of night.
You might end up looking at your phone instead of your children's faces.
And what I feel like with sex, like, when I was little, mate, not little, teenager and growing up, pornography...
This is going to make me sound so dreadfully old, and there's some little part of me, Lily, that's reluctant even to say it, so there's my vanity.
That pornography was analogue and on bits of paper and magazines, and you had to get it like Indiana Jones.
Right there, I've got a pornographic magazine from my dad's bedroom or some lads at school.
It was not like something that was just...
Instantaneously accessible.
And so sex, even the feeling of sex and the wonder and the sort of magic of sex and the excitement of sex, it was hard won.
So, like, to go from that to then being able to get sort of pornography, then getting famous in sort of my, like, you know, I was like 30 really before I got famous.
But also I got kind of, if I dare say it, I found it easier to attract mates from when I was around 16, 17, 18. You know, sort of women liked me.
Like, it really felt like, oh, wow, this is incredible.
And I don't think I was capable of having a clear and objective perspective of what sex was doing for me, what it was doing for the other person involved, and it's...
Power in a general way.
Because I think our culture doesn't handle sex very well.
Like, most young men, like now, there's going to be generations of men growing up, and their understanding of sex, or one of the first things that's going to be hitting them around sex, is your escapades, if I may call them that, Lily, I don't want to be at all derisory about it, or judgmental, or judgmental, because I'm in no position to judge you.
I mean, nor is anyone, actually.
Nor is anyone in any position to judge you.
So, like, what I feel like is that, you know, having, when the floodgates opened and I could just have sex whenever I wanted to, it's not dissimilar to what you're describing of, like, oh, I went to college and maybe I was going to do nutrition and then I'm realising that OnlyFans is making money and I kind of like it.
Well, for me, I've always had this joy of exuberance in performance and the exuberance of performance and the exuberance of sex felt pretty well aligned, I have to say.
They felt like they...
We're commensurate and good accompaniments for one another.
But there's two things I'm really interested in.
One is the impact of sex and sex for money and sex as performance.
On your soul, you Lily Phillips, on your precious soul and your spirit.
And also, all of us as human beings, like me, everyone, like what it does to us if we start to use sex as a kind of currency.
But that's, everyone's doing that.
I'm going to say everyone.
I mean, whenever attractive women are used to sell chocolate or yogurt or automobiles, it's on the spectrum with what you and I are discussing.
So, again, there's no sort of moral high ground.
But one thing I wanted to bring to you is, my wife actually was talking about someone she knew where there was an exercise or fitness instructor who was also one of my OnlyFans.
When I heard that, this is what I felt, mate.
I was like, whoa!
That means, I'm thinking about myself when I'm 17. If it would have been possible that you could see a mum at a school or a...
Teacher or anyone, actually, and then somewhere else you could go and pay money and see that person take their clothes off and perform the most intimate things.
I don't know what would have happened to me psychologically.
That's just so overwhelming and so ridiculous and so exciting.
But also, it's reducing everybody to a kind of object.
Now, I don't think sex is the only way we do that.
I think we look at relationships transactionally in a general way.
What can you do for me?
Can you...
Can you get me money?
Can you get me power?
You know, you now, I guess you're in LA, so you're going to be hooking up with people that are influential.
And if I do this with that person, sooner or later someone's going to suggest that you have sex with Jake Paul and Logan Paul or everyone in the Paul family.
You know, all of these things are available to us.
But this is it.
Oh gosh, I can't believe I'm going to quote scripture.
But in Corinthians, Paul says, did you not know that your body is a temple?
Did you not know that your body is a temple?
And he says that to the people of Corinth, I figure, because they're all out there thinking, let's get on it!
And when I heard, do you not know that your body is a temple, I thought about the things that I've done sexually over my life.
There's just the multiple partners, the transactional nature, sleeping with people in bathrooms, all completely consensual.
It's not about the consensual component.
It's about...
What is it, what it was doing to me and what it's done to me and what it's done to other people, actually, the impact it's had on people.
And I feel like this is something that we, I feel like we have to, we have to discuss because I, I believe that it's, I believe that it's real, mate.
And when you said the thing about, like, not wanting to disappoint the men that travel a long way to sleep with you or feeling encroached upon by the camera crew, I wonder what you, Recognise that feeling as being in yourself, where you feel like it comes from.
You know what, I'm just a people pleaser and it was making me feel awkward, the kind of conversation.
That's kind of all really.
It wasn't necessarily this massive thing.
I just wanted to please these guys and I felt kind of bad that I'd invited them to this thing and I couldn't do that for them.
But yeah, that's all I can say on that really.
Is there a limit to where you believe this could go, Lily?
Is there stuff like, I'm not going to do that, I won't do that, I'm only going to do it for this long?
In your mind, do you have a sense of limitation around it?
Do you have a plan?
Like when I do these gang bangs and stuff like that?
The whole way of life, I suppose, but it's certainly, yes, certainly gangbangs for sure.
Like, have you got a sort of a perspective on it of like, I'm just going to do it for this amount of time, then I'm going to stop?
Or do you have a vision and an image for how long this is going to go on for?
No, not at all.
I have no clue.
I kind of always said to myself, I'll stop when I stop enjoying it.
Do you drink or take drugs or anything?
I drink.
And some drugs.
Very limited.
Do you drink and take drugs when you're working?
No, no, no, no.
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Forgive me asking, mate.
Are there any times when you sort of, what do you do to kind of make yourself feel refreshed and cleansed?
Who do you talk to openly?
Because see that word people-pleaser, that's a phrase that comes out of, I don't know if you know this, like 12-step fellowships.
And in 12-step fellowships, we talk about like addiction.
Obvious addictions are drugs and alcohol.
Another less obvious but still prevalent addiction is sex and sexual behaviours.
Another addiction is food and the relationship we have with food.
And I'd be very interested to know if when you were young you ever had any problems with food, eating and purging or control around food.
And other areas of addiction include the way we relate to others and the way that we make ourselves feel better through relationship.
Lily, have you ever had any Issues around food?
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
And with that people-pleasing thing, who have you got, like, who is your support in your life?
Who are your best friends and your best relationships, and how do they work?
Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't...
I talk to my friends and my family a lot, not necessarily about my work, because when I see them, like, I want it to be like...
I'm not always, like, an OnlyFans whore.
You know what I mean?
Like, sometimes it's just nice just to, like, talk to them and be with them and not have to talk about work.
So sometimes when I see them, I won't really talk about it.
But usually with my, like, work staff, I'll always, like, go through things and talk about stuff.
With, like, your mum?
As in, no, with my mum, I won't really, like, talk about work much or parents or anything like that.
Just my staff.
I'll talk about work to them.
You have a team around you.
And what about, in addition to work, just talking about how you're feeling and what's happening for you emotionally?
Who did you chat to about that sort of thing?
Yeah, just friends, family.
I've got, like, me, see, I go to 12-step groups.
Also, on top of that, I have friends that I can speak to really plainly about what I feel.
Also, may I say, like mentors and people that have got more experience than me.
And I think without those kind of relationships, I don't know what I would do with the challenges that I face in life.
I reckon what it is, Lily, when you become aware of someone in the environment...
You get an initial impression of them.
And if someone's doing something as striking as you're doing, it's difficult for me.
I feel like a sense I want to reach out to you a little bit because I suppose in the past, when I was younger and before I was married and before I had children, I suppose if I'd heard of you, I would have been happy to see you as an object and not to investigate that any further.
But as an adult, And as a man of God, how I see you is a fellow child of God.
And part of me feels like I wonder if there is any way I can offer you some protection.
Or service or counsel.
And it's very interesting because I deal with drug addicts all the time and I know if someone ain't asking for help, that means they don't want help.
If someone's taking a bunch of drugs and they're having a wild old time, then they don't want you.
They want you to just mind your own business.
I felt like, mate, I put on X and you were walking around in public with sperm on your face.
And I felt like...
I'm not completely divorced from the part of myself that sees something like that and an antenna goes up, to use an image of, wow, that's an energy that I know would change my consciousness.
That energy would change my state.
Another part of me feels like, where are we going, Lily?
Where are we going?
Where do we go from here?
Talk me through why you did that, how that felt.
And whether or not that's given you cause for reflection?
To be honest, I was just finished filming a threesome with two guys and they both finished on my face.
So I thought it might be fun to see if I can go out in public with this on and anyone will say anything or anything like that.
But you know, everyone in England is very polite and no one said a thing.
But yeah.
That was kind of the reason and not much thought went into it.
No, crazy, I suppose, if you thought about it a little.
Because that's a mad thing to do, mate.
It's a mad thing to do, I feel.
Is there like an amount of money, an amount of success that you feel like, alright, this might sort of stabilise me?
And is there a vision even economically?
Like, oh, maybe I'll make a film.
Or is this sort of revenue stream so abundant that you're not even thinking beyond it?
They're just going to carry on doing stuff like this?
I definitely, there's no amount of money that would make me a stop or anything like that.
For me, I don't feel as though I'm doing it for the money or anything.
I just...
I think...
I'm maybe just, like, obsessed with sex and really enjoy my job.
I guess I'm quite job-obsessed.
And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
But no, there's no kind of, like, money or anything like that that I ever think, like, would make me stop.
I used to do, on OnlyFans, before I did, like, this kind of extreme stuff where I did a lot of, like, gangbangs and...
Fucking fans and things like that.
I used to do, like, solo stuff.
So, like, I very much started out just like, just me.
And I would still make good money doing that.
And so I could have lived, like, the same life doing that.
So it wasn't, like, a money thing that was, like, I need to earn more and do this crazy stuff.
It was more just, like, something that I wanted to do and explore.
I guess I'm into like exhibitioner, being like an exhibitioner.
So I love like putting my sex online and people watching it and joining themselves to it.
And this was just another part of that.
When did it change?
What was the first thing you did where it stopped being standard, solitary, only fans and got more extreme?
what happened um I think I did uh I fucked 37 guys in a day I I did like a 23-man gangbang.
I was probably fucking for like, yeah, probably like 10 hours or something like that.
That was kind of like the first thing.
What made you have that idea, Lily?
How did we go from what I'm...
When I was still living in that world, things like Babe Station had started.
And I remember thinking, well, this is pretty mad.
I remember I think I went out with some women from Babe Station and stuff.
Anyway, so I'm familiar with that kind of pornography, OnlyFans style pornography.
But how did you go, actually, do you know what I'm going to do?
That's already an extreme idea.
Where is that coming from?
How?
Why?
So, to be honest, I was already doing very extreme stuff in my personal life anyway.
And I just wanted to kind of...
I wanted to...
Show people what I actually do.
I mean obviously before that I hadn't fucked 37 guys in a day but I was already doing some pretty extreme stuff and it was also just like you know what I'm kind of bored with maybe doing like the boy girl kind of like very just quite normal porn like very average kind of porn and I thought it would be a great way to kind of Interact with fans and yeah,
just something fun to do.
I just shared my address online and said, kind of like, turn up.
And that's kind of how it went down.
Oh, wow.
I bet people couldn't believe it.
What were you doing in your, if I can ask, because I know it's literally obviously your private life.
What were you doing in your private life that meant that a transition from solitary pornography to group pornography was relatively effortless for you?
What kind of sexual experiences were you having when you were young?
And may I ask, what were your first sexual experiences or experiences of abuse?
Because I would say any prepubescent experience of sex is, by definition, abuse.
I mean, for me, I was quite a late bloomer, funnily enough.
Well, you made up for it, mate!
You bloomed pretty!
So what happened to you?
Yeah, well, you had sex when you were like 16 or 17 or something.
Yeah, 17 with a boyfriend at the time.
And then when I went off to university, that's when I kind of started to do, like, have threesomes and gangbangs and explore my really, like, sexual side.
So you're right.
Where did you go to university?
Sheffield.
You went to Sheffield University, good little university, and you started just hanging out with guys and probably while your friends were, I don't know, people watching this were able to discern for themselves.
I feel like a lot of times when I'm talking about one person that's had threesomes and had sex with multiple women at the same time, a bunch, because of being famous and stuff, I feel like when I'm talking about that, most people I talk to aren't like, yeah, I've done, most people have not done that.
Most people haven't.
Like, yeah, when I was having sex with five people at once or three people, people were just meeting each other the first time around my house and crawling all over my body like I was in an amusement park.
I'm speaking about myself.
I'm speaking about myself.
Most people don't know what that's like.
It's an extreme thing to do.
So at some point here, mate, there's a sort of a little bit of a departure.
Now, I don't want to be prurient or like, ooh, tell me your stuff.
Believe me, I'm not trying to get off on that stuff.
What I'm interested in is when your understanding of your own extreme nature starts to be practiced.
When do you start doing stuff that's out of the norm?
You're saying at university.
Because I'm trying to, even looking at this as a grown man, I'm thinking if when I was 16 or 17, I would have been terrified of you actually.
But if when I was like, I don't know, 20, 25, if I met someone that was like, I'm right up for it.
Because obviously that happened to me a bunch, and those are the women that I had, but real incredible, what I would have regarded then as adventures with, and now I'd perhaps have a different perspective on.
But tell me, mate, what's going on in college where you're departing from the vanilla path, let's call it?
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, coming from a girl's perspective, it's so much easier as a girl to be able to...
get sex and have sex with a lot of people so much easier and genuinely just going out like drinking and it wasn't usually even like planned or anything like that I'd just end up back at a party there'd be some guys there and I would fuck them kind of thing and that was kind of that really honestly though it was just like I guess When I started to,
like, have casual sex, like, after my first boyfriend, I kind of realised, like, how much I loved it.
I think, especially in comparison to my friends who, you know, were kind of not having sex with as many partners as me, you know.
I kind of just realised that this was for me and I did enjoy having sex with a lot of people.
Were you drunk in them early experiences?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Have you ever had your heart broken, Lily?
Like, have you ever had your heart broken?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, tell us about it.
Just an ex-boyfriend.
He just cheated on me, but that's all.
It's not that much of a deep story.
I don't know.
It's very...
Would that happen when you were like, when was that?
That was when I actually had already started OnlyFans.
That was probably six months to...
Into doing OnlyFans.
And you loved someone, you loved him, and then he cheated on you.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's really, really painful, I think, for everyone, isn't it?
Just as a standard experience.
Do you feel, you might be aware, I don't know if you are, that there's a kind of cultural argument, Lily, around whether...
Women that are doing what you're doing are being exploited and in particular and obviously exploited by men.
And I would say it's sort of a fair argument.
The other side of it is that part of female empowerment is taking ownership of sex and that in a sexual dynamic it's sort of easy to think if men are travelling around the world or paying money that you have the power in that dynamic.
It's easy to see how that argument would be made.
Do you feel exploited?
No, not at all.
It's funny, really, because before OnlyFans, obviously, the porn industry was really booming.
And at that point, that was when girls like me had, like, agents or pimps that would get them these jobs.
And kind of, I wouldn't be surprised forcing them into having these jobs and doing the more extreme stuff.
You know, now you're going to go on to do an anal, double anal, triple anal, like, it goes on.
And now, obviously, we have OnlyFans, which I think, personally, is a great platform to be able to explore your kinks without someone telling you what to do and, you know, without the man there taking that percentage of you and kind of egging you on to do things.
Yeah, I like that argument.
That's really good.
I mean, as I've acknowledged in the past, I've paid for sex.
And you kind of have a feeling that...
The women in that dynamic, in fact, a near certainty that the women in that dynamic are being exploited, that it's not an empowered and direct transaction, I suppose.
But I would say that looking at things now, I don't see how it ever could be.
What you're doing with OnlyFans, in a sense, is comparable to what's happening online everywhere, that there ain't layers of brokerage anymore.
Even in media, the world has exploded because now centralised organisations like the BBC or New York Times aren't able to pimp information, aren't able to gatekeep and control information.
But I'd never thought before of how that...
When you apply that to the commodification of sex, one aspect of that is you now, what you're saying is you're the top of your hierarchy.
There's no, and I suppose OnlyFans extract some kind of commission as a result of their software or whatever.
But you should be getting a special deal with them, by the way, because you're in a sense of brand.
You've got a brand ambassador.
You want to renegotiate that.
So that's one thing an agent could do.
But you're saying that you're not part of a, there's not an agent.
Everyone that works with you works for you as employees.
Is that right?
Yeah, correct, correct.
All my staff is outsourced.
What do you mean?
That's cutting the content and who's...
Yeah, so I've just gone on the internet and found staff and outsourced them and they're self-employed so I just pay them their invoice kind of thing.
There's no percentage being taken or anything like that.
I have no management or anything like that.
In a way, you're an entrepreneur and a businesswoman and it's kind of super impressive.
And I try to look at it like, well, if it was a food blog and your food blog had blown up and you were like, I'm going to cook for 100 people.
I suppose I would look at it like, and maybe culturally we would look at it as kind of, I don't know, just a straight out plain success story.
But on some level, I reckon we all...
No, that sex is powerful.
And what we're discussing is whether or not sex is sacred.
No one's arguing about whether sex is powerful or not.
We're discussing whether or not it's sacred.
Like, the power of sex is enough that the whole culture, even people that will be condemning you, because you're aware of that, aren't you, Lily?
Yeah.
Has any of that impacted you, people condemning you?
Not really.
What are these people who are religious and...
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think there'll be loads of ways.
Like, I'm guessing.
Like, I suppose some of it, but I'm religious, and that's why it's from the position of a religious position that I would 100% not condemn you, and why I am reaching out to you with a kind of...
What's the definition of condemning?
Condemn means you are wrong, you are disgusting, you are bad, you are in trouble.
That is condemn.
I mean, it's definitely not been the religious people that's been like that.
Who is it?
Who's done that?
Who is it then?
You know what?
It's a lot of men online.
That's all I see.
Which is funnily enough because they're my number one customers.
What kind of men and what kind of things are they saying?
Just...
Every name under the sun, disgusting.
You will never be able to find happiness.
This is just the worst thing they can think of and they think it's vile.
That's interesting.
It's interesting.
That's very interesting.
How do you feel about that?
Well, it's just funny really because, you know, without men watching porn...
Or buying sex or doing anything like that, I wouldn't have a job.
So it's just funny to me that, you know, people watch porn and consume it, but they dislike it and don't agree with it.
But then they're adding to it.
I don't like this.
This is disgusting.
What am I doing?
Yeah, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
People are condemning it, but, yeah.
Do you know what?
I'm realising, no, I've not thought about this before, Lily.
Like, people talk a lot about, have you heard what incels is?
You know that word.
Is that common in your, sort of, because I guess a lot of men that are looking, I'm sure all sorts of men look at OnlyFans.
Of course they do.
It's a massive market.
I've never looked at it.
I don't look at pornography.
But, like, I would say, That some of the people that are condemning you, like, oh, this is disgusting, have themselves looked at OnlyFans and potentially look at pornography.
That's probably true, isn't it?
Oh, 110%, yeah, definitely.
So they're disgusted about something that's in themselves.
And I wonder what kind of partner you think it is.
That on one hand you have this phenomena of men that are paying a bunch of money online that are afraid of women, that don't know how to talk to women, how to charm women, and are very sort of hateful of women.
And then this sort of...
You kind of emerging like some extraordinary pornographic phoenix, not from the ashes, but from another substance I won't put too much time into describing.
You're a very interesting...
Creation, Lily.
And, like, who are any of us to predict what might happen?
And I know some of the arguments that will be made or some of the statements that will get said.
Like, what about when you're older?
But people could say the same thing about getting a tattoo when you're young.
What do you think about the thing that most interests me is not, like, damning and judgment.
Because I think a lot of that damning and judgment comes from prurience.
Prurience means that they're kind of excited about it and don't want to own their own excitement.
And I can feel that on the edge of my own mind.
On the edge of my own mind, I can feel the part of me that's like, oh, my God, this woman is so, like, this is fascinating and compelling that a woman would do this.
And I know that if I was younger and if I was in the game, as it were, in inverted commas, I would be fascinated and I'd want to be involved.
That's how I would be.
But I can feel that like a shadow on the edge of myself.
As a man who believes above all else in the sacred, that there is something glorious and special about human beings, that there is something, that you are a child of God, that you are a child of God, that's what I want to say to you, that you are special and that you are beautiful and that you are sacred and you deserve to be cherished and treasured in every aspect of your life and that any choices you make, they are your choices to make, but there is somewhere for you to go.
Where you will be loved, embraced and accepted and cleansed.
And I want you to know that that's real, Lily, beyond all of this.
Because when I look at now myself and what my sexual adventures and my sexual excitement did for me and where it led, I wish that someone, me or God or someone, could reach through time and say, you are special.
You are special, and you deserve to be looked after and loved.
Be careful with yourselves.
Be careful with one another.
I didn't receive that.
The culture didn't give that to me.
Do you know that about yourself, that you are special?
I guess I don't think of myself as special.
Just another girl.
And I'm not religious or anything like that, so I don't really read into it.
One day you will.
One day you will read into it, Lily.
One day you will.
Because one day we all have to.
We all have to look inside ourselves.
And I think that what you're doing is novel.
And I think that what you're doing is incredible in many ways.
But I feel that why I wanted to talk to you, because I recognise you.
How old are you?
Like 22 or something?
Yeah, 23. So you're so young, and you're a baby, actually, from my perspective.
So I didn't, like, when I was speaking to you, I thought, this is like, I'm speaking to any 23-year-old.
If I was speaking to myself when I was 23, you know, I wouldn't expect to get a lot back over the net when it comes to the nature of God and salvation and the depths of my sexual, and what the consequences could be of my sexual conduct.
I recognise something of a gulf between us.
But what I do want to leave you with is someone that says that you're not religious.
You are spiritual because it's your nature.
That is your nature.
The person that's experiencing the joy behind the sex, the power behind the sex, the power behind the attention that you're getting, the possibility that this is worthwhile, exciting, will lead to things, is fulfilling.
The person that's experiencing that is sanctified and in God.
I just want to leave you, Lily, with the invitation and possibility that one day you might want to have a conversation about how you feel, moments of quietness and stillness where something comes to you and you feel like you need comfort or you feel lost or you feel a brokenness.
That's not unique to you.
That's what it is to be a human.
And in that, I want you to know that there is a path for you and that you are special and that you are lovely and beloved and that you don't have to do anything that you don't want to do.
And I know you aren't doing anything you don't want to do.
If ever you find yourself in that position, then know that there is a path and a light for you.
That's very kind.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Well, nice one, Lily.
I mean, I just, you know, it's so lovely to meet you as a married, grown-up man.
I can't imagine what would have happened if the paths had crossed without the intervening decades.
I really wish you all of the best, and I'll be praying for you, Lily.
I'm praying for you, not because of judgment, but because I think you're a lovely young woman.
With a lot of energy and I recognize that you're looking for something because we all are.
Bless you.
Well, thank you so much for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
If you ever need me, Lily Phillips, remember that I said that.
Thank you.
Take care, young lady.
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