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“IT MAY ALREADY BE TOO LATE!!" | New CENSORSHIP ADVANCES will KEEP YOU SILENCED - SF 425
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Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, where we address that most pre-evolent, pre-eminent, significant of issues, censorship and surveillance.
That's what got us here.
That's why we're on Rumble, because we can speak freely without being censored.
Why, I could say almost anything as long as it wasn't a transgression against existing laws, which we have to assume are there for some kind of reason.
But it's not just me that we're looking at today because we've got the contributions of Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, who's just biding his time, and Candace Owens on the subject of censorship surveillance.
And who is it that determines what is sayable and what cannot be said?
If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be there for about 10 minutes for obvious reasons.
Then you're gonna have to click the link in the description and join us over Thank you very much for joining us today.
Let's learn now why all of a sudden categories like misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation exist.
Who benefits from us being controlled?
There's no doubt that the internet generates a great deal of untrue information.
By God, I've been subject to a lot of it.
But does that mean that we should trust Dubious centralized authorities with the task of censoring what we're able to access?
Let me know in the comments in the chat what you think about that.
First of all, let's look at that most controversial online pundit and commentator.
The sigil and signifier of censored information.
Mr. Infowars himself, Alex Jones.
Now, of course, we have to be very sensitive what we broadcast when it comes to Alex Jones on YouTube.
He's the very kind of complex person that is loathed In the big tech world.
But I always remind myself, if you look at some of the things that guy said on tape prior to them happening, if they were attributed to like, I don't know, some Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, even if that Pulitzer Prize winning journalist had made some significant errors, you would consider them more a soothsayer and prophet than just online pundit.
What a complex man he is, but certainly he knows how censorship works.
Let's have a look at Alex Jones.
Alex Jones, it's actually happening.
InfoWars is being shut down.
The FBI appear to be involved, the CIA appear to be involved.
Can you tell us, do you see this as a pivotal moment?
If they can come for you and take you down, if they can reclaim your assets, does that mean that this is the first Domino, the next is Tucker, then it's Rogan, that this is, in a sense, the beginning of a series of attacks that will shut down the free speech space?
Well, that's right.
What they're doing to me is a beta test for everybody else.
And I'm just blessed they're doing it, because it shows we've been on the right side of history, on the right target.
But if I told you all what happened, and the FBI went in court, admitted they're running, and they have the CIA guy that got caught by Project Veritas spinoff group admitting it all, that's all well known now.
But what are we saying they're so scared of?
We love God.
We love humanity.
We love freedom.
We love justice.
So yes, Our message is scaring the system, so they're trying to shut us down right now.
And as bad as this is, I am extremely blessed to be in this position right now.
So yeah, I'm more concerned about why is the deep state trying to shut me down right now Is it a Trump assassination?
Is it World War III?
Is it economic collapse?
I don't know, but definitely big stuff's coming because they're so desperate to shut us down right now.
It's a long story, but two weeks ago, they tried to without a court order with the CRO and the bankruptcy gets into law, shut us down without a court order.
Now there's a court hearing tomorrow.
They may shut us down tomorrow, but there is a desperation to shut us off because they don't want us on air when we cover what is about to happen.
So I don't think about me.
Which, I'm fine.
I love talking about me.
But I'm not dumb.
This isn't about me.
Something big is about to happen.
Why are they so desperate to get me off air?
So you feel it is because of your ability to report and offer insights into stories that they're having to expedite and speed up this process.
So we should all hold our breath for something terrifying, which is, I don't even like thinking
in those terms Alex, I really don't, I do have enough anxiety.
But can you tell me how this unfolded?
How we went from the sort of trial that we all saw, where it was about compensation for
the victims of Sandy Hook, and I've reported on this before, in a sense, like the way this
has been reported on, is not that you said some things that were insensitive and untrue
about Sandy Hook.
It's almost been portrayed as if you did Sandy Hook.
That's the kind of, like, the way that the messaging has been kind of confused and mangled, the way that these kind of, the way these stories play out in the public sphere.
How have we gone from that to, we're claiming all of your assets, is it true they're taking your archives?
Who would ultimately own InfoWars in this instance?
Well, that's a great Russell Brand 2.0 cut right to the chase.
They bragged after they won these two court cases, but the judges already found me guilty two years ago in Texas and Connecticut in controlled jurisdictions.
The judges found me guilty.
They had show trials with HBO literally producing The Truth vs. Alex Jones scripts to the judges.
It was all literally a movie script, a movie scene.
And so now, they first said, oh, he's got hundreds of millions of hidden money.
That wasn't true.
Then they went, OK.
And now they were in Reuters last week saying, we don't want money.
We want him off the air.
So they're finally being completely honest.
So because they won't do a settlement and because all this is unfolding, the judge can shut us down tomorrow.
He may wait a few weeks.
We'll find out tomorrow.
But Russell, that's where we are, is pure desperation by the power structure.
And so it's very simple.
Sandy Hook is like a franchise, a money-raising thing, a Democratic Party fundraising deal.
I barely ever even talked about it, never even said the things that they said I said.
I have a right to say those things.
I didn't say those things.
So they basically built up this thing of, well, we've got a populist that's anti-globalist, is very popular.
We'll just say he's doing all these things he didn't do.
Pissing on graves, harassing families, doing all this.
And then they get a billion-and-a-half-dollar judgment.
They ask for $2.76 trillion.
Folks, I know that doesn't sound real.
Type in Alex Jones, $2.76 trillion.
They asked as if I ever had $10 million, just to create this wall of hysteria and fear.
And so now they're trying to take me off air right now with 140-something days left to the election.
They're trying to panic everyone because they're scared of populism.
They're scared of the people.
They're scared of archetypally Joseph Campbell, you know, the great psychologist Carl Jung, off what I represent.
So they believe if they can defeat and annihilate and tar and feather that populist image, somehow it will affect everything else.
But instead, it has turbocharged the show of 30, 40 million viewers a day.
We're as big as we were six years ago before all this started.
And so now they are in complete panic mode.
And two Fridays ago, so 13 days ago, I'm up here at five o'clock.
I'm about to go home to my wife and family.
And I know there's more security here.
I have a private security firm, but they're under the CRO, the bankruptcy.
I said, what's going on?
They go, we don't know.
At nine o'clock, they're locking the doors.
They're going to kick you out.
I called my lawyers.
They said, no, the CRO can't do that under law.
Stop it.
So I said, don't do it.
They said, yeah, we don't have a corridor.
We're not going to.
So they were so desperate.
They might have been trying to assassinate Trump last week.
I don't know.
But the point is, something was supposed to happen in the last 13 days
that they wanted me off the air. I'm not dumb enough to think, oh, this is about me.
No, this wasn't about me. Desperate, hysterical insanity to get me off the air in the last two
weeks, outside of court orders, was about something bigger, maybe a war. I don't know.
But clearly, it's not about me. But in their mindset, in this nexus, they thought I was going
to say or do something when this next event happens that could block them. And that's what I do.
So my only real power is that I understand politics, the world, how systems work, to a little extent, you know, most and most, but not that much.
I'm not trying to say I'm a grand poobah, but I've got an understanding.
So to me, it's not, oh, I'm so important.
It's like, If they're so desperate to shut me down, what are they planning?
So that's where we are now, and we could be shut down tomorrow.
The judge has said he may do it, but this is so crazy.
The plaintiffs, the Democratic Party that runs all this, said to Reuters, AP, and a bunch of other publications last week, they said, no, we don't want money.
We want to shut him down.
And so, again, I ask the question, okay, I reach 20 million people a day, 30 million some days.
Why are they so desperate?
To me, I don't think of me, I think, why are they so desperate, Russell?
Well, it's a big question in the event that you are, if they take your studio.
It seems like it's about taking your assets and taking your studio, slowing you down and preventing you from broadcasting.
It's a very strange time.
The Trump trial appears to have been built of a coagulation of misdemeanors, a couple
of alterations in state law, the eventual and inevitable imprisonment of Steve Bannon.
All important right-wing or popular political or commentarative figures are being attacked
using the law.
Few months ago I experienced my own attacks.
It seems like any institution is viable as a conduit for attack and now I'm, like you,
wondering what's coming.
Do you think that ultimately behind this is the CIA, as we saw in that video, where we saw that CIA operative saying, yeah, they want to drain his resources, they want to bankrupt him, we saw that, that's sort of something that was on camera, and it's weird that when we get those things on camera that they don't Have a greater impact.
I know they reach a lot of people and I think they galvanize a lot of people, but it seems that they don't have any kind of legal weight, that you're not able to use them in order to oppose this stuff.
What means of opposition do you have here, Alex?
What strategy do you have?
How are you going to protect your archive?
Because I've heard that they're coming for that.
And do you feel like incarceration is a serious and immediate risk?
Well, Russell, that's a great question.
There's a lot of points there.
Again, I just go back to they wouldn't be so hysterical trying to shut me down if something big is about to happen.
So they want me off air because something big is about to happen.
And I'm asking, what is that big event about to be?
But yeah, they.
They're trying to shut down the archives.
They told me, the court appointed people that said two days ago, they said, you're on air saying you have this archive that's free of all our shows.
We've always been free.
Stop that.
That's a crime.
Well, it's not.
It's always been free to air.
So they don't want our archives that predict all this stuff.
I mean, there's incredible predictions there.
And we know evergreen stuff is really powerful.
So they're really scared of what people are going to dig out of that.
And that's really why they wanted to shut me down because reading their own white papers and interviewing top experts and doing this, you know, 14 hours a day and being focused, we have basically predicted what was going to happen.
So they're already worried with billions of views of my predictions.
Well, they go and they watch these predictions.
They know that there's gold there in the fight.
So they are hysterical to shut us down because they say that victors write the history books.
Well, they're getting ready to write the history books.
They don't want records there.
That exposed them, and I appreciate all the support, and I love everybody, but I want people to know nothing about Alex Jones.
They should be thinking, what is it they're about to do that they're so insanely desperate?
That's really where I'm at right now, because this is crazy.
Outside of a court order, 13 days ago, they ordered the shutdown of our company, and tried to order my private security company.
I heard like seven years ago, to close the doors.
And they didn't do it, there was no court order.
So they are hysterical.
So we can go, oh great, our enemy's hysterical, they're weak.
But the fact that they're so weak is what makes them dangerous.
Why are they so hysterical?
Like, if it is about preempting some significant event, I'm guessing you're saying it's likely
that it pertains to the election.
I've heard you say before that you feel like the election might get cancelled, that there could be a race war in your country, that there could be some other reason to delegitimize or derail the electoral process.
If that were to happen, wouldn't it be reported on by Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson or other people in the space?
Why would it be so significant to remove you and your archive?
I'm not being facetious, Alex.
I know that there are a lot of things that are unique about you.
So it's surely in the uniqueness that the significance must lie, because any of us could report, all of us would see.
What's your intuition on that?
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Well, Russell, I'm always blown away by your insight.
I'm not saying it's true.
What an incredible response to what I just said.
Generals always fight to last war.
So if in 2016, and I didn't even know this at the time, but they said this and it's true, we had the RNC in Cleveland and a third of the people out there, hundreds of thousands, were wearing my shirts.
We sold like half a million t-shirts the month before.
That was selling at cost.
So the Democrats go there, the deep state goes there, and they see a third of the people wearing my shirts.
They're fighting the last war.
So they think if we shut down Alex Jones, we've shut down Russell Brand, Joe Ruggan, Tucker Carlson.
You know, Jimmy Dore, all the thousands of other amazing voices.
And so, yeah, they they're not that smart spiritually.
They attack whatever their last enemy was.
So I agree.
I'm almost obsolete.
A redundant, vestigial, ceremonial.
But I feel like I've got a little more work to do to warm people to the next front, because I don't want to keep doing this forever.
I want to live on a ranch and just fish all day and drive around and, you know, shoot guns and barbecue.
But Exactly.
They're worried about me.
They're fighting the last enemy, which they say generals always fight the last army.
So I think that's the answer, is I'm kind of blessed.
They're spending all this time and energy on me while there's all these other... And then I have the paradox of, well, you shouldn't tell them what's really happening.
But that's my superpower, telling the truth.
So they're like, don't give the enemy intel.
Don't tell them what's happening.
They're not going to listen to me anyways.
They always are Machiavelli.
They think if I say the sky's blue, I must be lying.
So to me, I know what's happened.
They know we beat their ass before, Bubba Lies to People.
So they're thinking, beat him, we win.
But meanwhile, it wasn't me spurring all these people.
It was people waking up on their own.
So they're fighting a pyrrhic victory.
They're fighting a battle they already lost.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, that kind of does.
I mean, I suppose one of the moments that was most bizarre and defining when Trump took to the White House was his public call with you.
That's when I think a lot of people kind of recognised, whoa, politics is changing.
Media is changing.
Power is changing.
You weren't in the position you're in now but you were already a person that people had attacked and derided and people have said this guy's crazy and a conspiracy theorist.
And to see you lauded in that way is obviously an indication of great power and your point that generals fight their last battle is clearly a significant one.
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The media space is changing so rapidly and has continued to change.
Even when you see, like, a cultural artifact that doesn't contain much import in terms of what it literally symbolizes.
Literally symbolizes is a bit oxymoronic, but I mean, to see Trump with Logan Paul, you think, wow, the world's different now, man.
The world is different.
And the machinery of the establishment, and a lot of your viewers and a lot of mine will
say that, well hold on, a candidate from the Republican Party who's already had four years
in office is part of the establishment by virtue just of that small inventory of ideas.
My audience love Trump, I know your audience probably significantly love Trump.
So it seems to me that on a global scale, Alex, maybe things are stepping up.
Maybe this is, you know, do you see it as being connected to the Russian submarines in the Caribbean?
Do you see it connected to the failure of the WHO treaty?
Do you feel like what this precipitates... Well, that's it.
I totally agree.
The power structure's failing because they're losers and scum, and we want prosperity they don't.
And then they try to blame people that don't want to be slaves as if we did it.
No, the globalists did it.
They started a war with Russia.
They devalued the dollar.
They opened the borders.
And then they want to sit back and point at us that are against it and say, no, it's Russell Bland.
It's Alex Jones.
It's Joe Rogan.
It's Eric Carlson.
If they just shut up, this all goes away.
No, we're the ones pointing out the problem because we have families that want to fix it.
So yeah, that's it.
They think that they can shut us up and then it goes away.
No, we're the ones pointing the problem out.
We're not the ones that cause the problem.
So that's what I'm saying is they're pissed at me.
Because they were disconnected six, seven years ago and thought they were invincible.
And then that didn't happen.
So now they're in panic mode.
They think, well, we'll just crush this guy.
That'll fix it.
And instead, it makes us bigger, which I don't enjoy being stepped on or attacked or sued or harassed.
People come to my house at night and, you know, they don't come on my property because, you know, what's going to happen to them?
I mean, I'm out of pussy.
Let's just say that.
But at the same time, again, this is a blessing because these people Will not take responsibility for what they've done.
It's not Russell Brand or Joe Rogan or Alex Jones did this.
We're just wanting to survive and have a future.
They have totally screwed themselves.
And so that's where we are.
But we have to ask the question then, what are they willing to do to maintain control?
And I think the sky's the limit.
I am reminded for some reason, Alex, of a piece of footage I saw of Colonel Gaddafi addressing an Arab Congress, saying to the co-leaders of various Arabian and North African nations Hold on a minute!
They've just killed Saddam Hussein!
They've killed Saddam Hussein!
Anything is possible!
Now within a short period of time, Gaddafi was dead, various coups and resource wars have taken place in all of these territories.
This was the kind of the last version of co-opting power. This was the last version of
resource wars and wars of dominion, which could be the death throes of the dying corpse of
nationalism, or it could be the emergence of real globalism. But I feel like that whatever
they're doing against you, to be truly effective, has to be ultimately a part of a plan
that will shut down Rogan, will shut down.
Ta-ka.
They have to ultimately do that.
100%.
100%, Russell Brand.
When Trump says they're not after me, they're after you, they're going to get through me.
That's totally true.
I remember a Wall Street Journal article like six years ago before I got banned everywhere saying the left will accept our attack on Assange and the right will accept the attack on Jones.
It was a huge 30-page article and they said once they accept that we'll get them all.
So people need to know they're coming for everybody right now.
Candace Owens has been on an extraordinary journey, both spiritually, publicly, politically, and also as a celebrity.
Remember the Kanye West era?
But on the subject of censorship, she is forthright.
Obviously, for a while, she was working at the Daily Wire, which initially seemed like an incredible partnership, although it famously ended pretty badly.
Let's see what Candace Owens has to say on this subject.
I'm a provocateur in the sense that the truth is provocative.
The truth is provocative enough, you don't need to actually add anything to the truth, you just have to be willing to tell it.
and most people are not because when you start arriving at truth, and I'm talking about,
I always thought I was chasing truth, like, you know, Black Lives Matter, it's fraudulent,
you know, they're taking money, okay, that's a little truth, but what is the truth?
The truth, you're at the Bible suddenly, right?
And then you start to realize that it's not, these people are not attacking Donald Trump,
they're not attacking this, it's not about racism, sexism, it's always been about Jesus Christ, right?
It has always been about Jesus Christ, that is the person that has always been attacked.
And so for me, there were things politically that I would say catalyzed the inevitable leaning of me
into the Catholic faith, and one of the things was just, as you just mentioned, like genocide, right?
I was severely propagandized in school, everyone was, depends on where you grew up, but we were severely propagandized into this Now I look back and it's an absurd belief that the only people that have ever experienced genocide, it was World War II, it was done by the Nazis, and it happened to the Jews.
And what that does when you are traumatized in a classroom, and I'm saying traumatized for a reason because these are Soviet tactics, to introduce very heavy, scary concepts to a child traumatizes them.
Thomas Sowell wrote about this extensively, how the Soviets recognized this, and it leaves an indelible mark on your mind.
And so it transforms you into a person that defends things in your life that you don't even comprehend, right?
You have a trigger-friendly, suddenly something happens in Israel, and you're just like, Israel can do whatever they want.
I don't care what Israel does at all.
And actually what I'm doing is I'm responding to a trigger, a childhood trigger.
Of this fear that's been instilled in me through the three years of programming about the Holocaust, right?
There's no question that, you know, what the Germans did or the German Nazis did was horrific.
All things that are done in wars are horrific.
But then as I started looking back and I stumbled across that BBC documentary, which I am challenging every person to watch, The Savage Peace, and I recognized that a Holocaust was committed against the Germans during peacetime by the Allies.
It ripped me into a new universe.
Shocking.
Children lined up and shot for the crime of speaking German.
These were not Nazis.
They did not vote for Nazis.
This took place in modern Czechoslovakia.
And to hear the Czech citizens talking about what happened and how they were basically This was done, and a large part of our conditioning in America is to make it so that we never peel back that onion and recognize what we were doing.
Twelve million Germans were ethnically cleansed.
These were innocent Christians.
They had nothing to do with Adolf Hitler.
They were removed out of their homes, their belongings were taken, they were lined up, they were shot, and then speech laws were passed so that they could never talk about what they experienced.
I have friends in Germany today.
They're telling me that my clips are going viral and it's like a quiet conversation.
The news won't cover it.
And they're just so grateful because a German friend with me shared what happened to his ancestors during this time.
And I said, how did you never share this with me?
You know, there's a fear of talking about what actually happened because of this version of history, which is very slim.
And if you question that narrative, which I have done and I'm doing, and because it's important for us to know the whole truth, And I want to talk about the way Christians were persecuted, which for some reason really deeply upsets people when you talk about Christian persecution.
They will attack you with everything that they have.
I am being attacked every single day, and I've never been more clear, more happy, and have never felt more strength and more certainty in terms of what I'm doing.
I think, Candice, but when you say that there are unexplored and seldom discussed narratives when it comes to ethnic cleansing or the extermination of peoples, the example you've just given of German-speaking people in Czechoslovakia, It is interesting that that's an argument that's also used by people with regard to this particular issue on the diametrically opposed side in that recent debate between Mehdi Hussein and Douglas Murray, both of whom I think are extremely well-equipped communicators.
Douglas Murray uses the idea that antisemitism in the sort of common dialectic Highlights Israeli war crimes in a way that this is of course not only his argument but a relatively popular argument in defending Israel's actions if that is indeed what the function of the debate is.
Is highlighting Israel's actions while ignoring sort of Muslim violence on other Muslims or the genocides in Syria.
Now, so when we say that the Holocaust is but one example of genocide, that genocide is not an event that was unique to World War II, I think all of us are kind of Peripherally aware of the Uyghurs being persecuted and executed in China or the various Congolese massacres and the Tutsi people across the continent of Africa.
We're aware that genocide appears to be a part of human history.
Are you saying that in some way and in particular the idea of holocaust and genocide has been appropriated and used to facilitate Israeli foreign policy?
And if that is what you're saying I wonder how we look at For example, as a British person, Britain's role in the balkanisation and re-bordering of that region, you know, the Balfour Treaty and the Second World War.
Because if we're going to start looking at various narratives, which I suppose we must, I suppose we must, then how is it that we find truth there when there are so many, it seems to me at least, potential truths?
Right, so one of the things that I did when I started becoming interested in this and recognizing that I had been severely lied to, and it was in large part again due to that BBC documentary, The Savage Peace, it's excellent, it's very hard to find, but I've shared it on my Twitter for people that are looking for it, is I wanted to make sure that I was reading sources that would not Be deemed anti-Semitic.
So I started reading Israeli historians and was very shocked to discover that Theodore Herzl wrote in his book, this is a person who's hailed as a hero, that he would kill as many Jews as he needed to to get Israel established as a state.
That was just something that he felt was a sacrifice that needed to happen if Israel needed to become a state.
And you know, this is long before World War II.
I think absolutely, just to be clear, that genocide and Holocaust has been appropriated to further Israel's interest.
There's no question about that.
Right now, there's a clip of me going viral.
I did an entire episode talking about the German genocide and the German Holocaust, and I raised one issue in that episode, which people should be Confounded by, which is that if Israel is the state that needed to exist, as we are told in America, because of the Holocaust, because Jews needed a home, and because they were put into concentration camps, then why is it that a Jewish man who ran a concentration camp in peacetime and mass murdered Christians in Czechoslovakia, why is it that that man was protected by the state of Israel?
Even though he was wanted for war crimes.
This is just a fact.
I just shared it on my Twitter as well.
He was protected by them until the day he died.
There's a lot of criminals who mass murdered Christians who were protected by the state of Israel.
If you have a right as a Jew to know your history, and I don't doubt that you do, I believe that you do, I've learned your history in the same way that you've learned it.
I understand that learning your history is traumatic.
It was traumatic for me to learn it as well.
Please do not stop Christians from winning their history.
Why don't we learn about the Bolsheviks?
Why don't we learn about Henrikh Yagoda?
He was the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century.
He was putting Christians into gulags.
The Bolsheviks were beheading priests.
They were burning down churches.
I believe that Christians in the West have been propagandized against Christians in the East.
And when you start to look at World War II history through the lens of Christianity, things become quite shocking.
The amount of, you know, cathedrals that the Allies bombed at the end of the war due to bad intel.
You may have seen that I did the charter Catholic retreat, the pilgrimage, hardest thing I've ever done physically,
but you eventually walk for three days, and this is another example,
and that cathedral is still standing because there was an American general
who, when he was given intel, vomit.
There's Nazis inside.
He thought that the intel was weird, and he volunteered himself to go behind enemy lines
and to actually look into the cathedral, and it was wrong intel, and that has happened a lot.
That happened a lot.
Why were Germans firebombed on Dresden?
Dresden was an objective war crime, but why were they firebombed on Ash Wednesday?
Why did we drop the bomb on Nagasaki?
We're not given an answer for that in American classrooms.
It's this sort of nebulous, well, we had to end the war.
We had to end the war by dropping a nuke on Catholics praying in Nagasaki and wiping out the entire Catholic population.
Am I wrong for knowing that?
Yes, that's what they say.
You knowing the history is what's wrong if you step outside of the bounds of what we put into your textbook.
Well, I'm stepping outside of those boundaries.
I am demanding to know more, and I'm spending a lot of time studying, and I want other people to be encouraged to pursue truth, not what is being told to you in a classroom that is being run like a Soviet propaganda cell.
You're a phenomenal iconoclast and I suppose early in your career in punditry you addressed the most immediate issue, I suppose, as a black woman talking about the cultural use of blackness and the various political ideas that have been utilized, exploited, criticized, maybe ignored, it depends on your position.
We've argued about that before in some weird bizarro world where I As a proud black woman to defend the rights of my sisters against you, you racist!
And now it's like you've moved into a sort of new terrain of iconoclasm.
And I suppose just to sort of mention in passing, because as you must be, I'm aware Of the avalanche of commentary that will no doubt surround this conversation in success, that might be drawing attention to the distinctions when it comes to the holocaust of matters of race, that the Jews are a race as well as a religion, the concentrated time period and their scale, that all of those issues are probably, you know, that we could spend hours on all of those things.
But I'm actually very, very interested, Candice, in what you are saying when you talk about the persecution and Execution of Christians.
Are you suggesting that there is something significant and a story untold when it comes to the persecution of Christians?
Yes, I believe Christians have been intentionally persecuted and I believe that Christians in the West were not aware of these persecutions because of severe propagandist successful efforts that have happened in our school system and the more that you, like I said, peel back the onion and I've spent time and I know that you know that I was baptized in London I've spent time speaking to a lot of European priests and I believe that Catholics have been holding the candle.
And when I sat down with one of them, because I wanted to ask every question, you know, and I wanted to, you know, poke the bear, play devil's advocate, say bad things about Catholics and say, well, what about this?
You know, as I was...
In this period of study in London and it was just incredible to have this priest, one in particular, look at me and just say, you Americans know nothing.
I mean, you know nothing about your own history.
You don't know about the Freemasons.
You Christians know nothing in America.
America has become a playground for Protestantism intentionally because what does the Bible tell us?
Anything that is not whole necessarily becomes polluted and becomes devilish, right?
So the idea is to continually divide, right?
The Christians as being divided amongst thousands of Protestant faiths, all believing my truth, my truth, my truth, which is a form of leftism.
Actually, it's a form of Marxism.
It's my truth.
What is the truth?
We need to be one holy apostolic church.
That is what I believe.
And I believe that that has always been a threat.
I believe that all of the wars have been about breaking up Christian empires.
And when even examining, you know, the start of the Russian Revolution, the assassination of the Tsar, most Americans don't know that, but they do know the part where they're like, well, there were these Jewish pogroms and, you know, Jews left Russia and they came to America.
Okay, well, how were we able to sift through which Jews that left Russia, as they did, Were the ones that were terrorists who were mass killing Christians.
I think it's part of a relevant part.
How did we go through that process?
Oh, there is no process.
When you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and just in the first couple of pages of his book about the gulags, he speaks about how, isn't it amazing that there were trials for the Nazis in the Nuremberg trials, trials, trials, trials, but the Bolsheviks got away with it.
There were no trials.
Many of them went to America.
Many of them went to Israel.
They had been protected.
They got to live out the rest of their lives and die.
That should make you ask a lot of questions.
How is it possible that they ran gulags, they created gulag systems, they mass killed Christians, they mass drowned us in barges, they tortured us, and there were no consequences?
How is it possible when he says that they looked up at the end of World War II and recognized and were able to see people that were going, this is it, the heroes have won, and these people were still being persecuted and mass killed and we did nothing?
Why?
These are questions everybody should want to know.
You've read in your textbook that we were the heroes, the allies won, we put an end to concentration camps, but we locked arms with Stalin?
He was able to just go on doing what he was doing?
In fact, you gave him land?
You allowed him to storm into German land and mass kill more Christians and establish more concentration camps?
Does this make any sense to you?
Have we all been lied to?
Have we all been deluded?
Yes, I believe so.
I think Americans in particular.
We've been drugged, so that's a piece of it too.
I think big pharma.
Right now we're having children in school that 40% of kids in America cannot pass a basic reading exam.
So the future will be, I will tell you what history is.
You won't even be able to read a book.
At least right now I can go back and I can find old history books and learn more about history and sit down with priests who I believe have been holding the candle for Christians for a very long time.
In the future, your history will be told to you.
These are the bad guys.
The Christians are always the bad guys.
Every time you learn about Christian history, we're always the bad guys.
You learn about the Spanish Inquisition, we're lied about what actually took place then because it makes Catholics and Christians look bad.
You know, we're told about the Dark Ages and then the Age of Enlightenment.
The Dark Ages weren't dark.
It was an age of remarkable Christian progress, a remarkable Christian experimentation.
I am just very passionate now about using my platform to awaken Christians around the world because I believe that when Christians are awakened a lot of the evils in the world will stop.
I wanted to ask you about the Christ is King stuff though because that's another one of those moments that has taken to potentially be anti-semitic, deliberately provocative.
You did a lot with your eyes there and your eyebrows.
That was very efficient.
So can you tell me, and do you sometimes delight in that?
Do you like saying things that are provocative?
And if not, why do you keep saying things like, Macron's wife's got a willy, Obama's wife's got... Why do you keep saying everyone's wife's got penises?
I never said Obama's wife had a penis.
That came from you.
You did!
I heard you!
We know they're recording on their end because they slated it!
So good!
So to unpack that, first and foremost, I was shocked when Andrew Clavin came out with that episode.
I guess that was going to be the agreed upon attack on me.
The ADL on the very same day kind of ran with this Christ is King bit.
It was a very coordinated attack and I think what it was was that there was actually nothing that I said That you could present to the public as Candace as an awful human being.
So you just kind of went back and found something and Andrew Klavan went back to a tweet of an actual biblical passage that I shared back in November and said, look, she said Christ is King and this must be a rallying cry.
It was bonkers.
Honestly, it was bonkers.
And genuinely, I feel bad for him because the backlash was severe and it was swept.
But that to me is what happens when you just you thought you were going to take on Jesus Christ during Easter week.
I mean, the whole plan was just weird and maniacal.
But what I will say is I was so grateful for that because I just saw that I genuinely believe that God inspired Andrew to attack me in that way.
I see beauty in the way that he attacked me because I was already on this path internally of realizing that I have this platform and I'm a Christian.
I have not been using this platform to speak about Christianity and I was just becoming more and more committed into my faith and then that attack To me, it was like a sign from God.
Like, look at this!
Look at this!
You can't even say Christ is King!
I was going, what?
What do you say?
Why can't I say Christ is King?
I mean, obviously after sharing, saying Christ is King of my heart, this is what I believe in.
How dare you say it?
This is like anti-Semitism.
I mean, it was just bonkers.
So that was, it was interesting, but I appreciate what he did because it further committed me to my path.
I genuinely believe God put that in his mind and made him attack me in that way.
Look, given what you've said about shadow governments and the way that power operates, it seems less and less relevant the differences between someone that might have cultural pedigree or heritage on the left versus on the right.
And given as well that both of us have come to Christ in the time since we last communicated, the affiliations or affinity with various cultural or political institutions seem less relevant when, of course, the priority becomes a relationship with Christ The willingness to surrender, everything about yourself, the willingness to take on his burden, to carry his cross, to wear his yoke, all of these things now become a priority.
But I still wonder, Candice, how Given that in the last year, in a way that we hadn't seen before, there are divisions emerging in the anti-establishment space and your story is perhaps the most obvious example of that.
There was this sort of, let's call it conservative or right-wing movement forming that had a sort of an advocacy expression through Turning Point and had a media presence, most notably through Daily Wire, I think we'd have to say.
What does this the kind of these recent ramifications suggest and is it possible and is it desirable for us to create new forms of alliance in media as new and independent media increasingly becomes About political advocacy and indeed isn't that why it's being surveilled, censored, shut down, prominent voices being subject to smearing.
I mean that's what we're kind of obviously experiencing, the legitimization of censorship through new categories like disinformation etc.
Is there, what do you think the obligation is for us to try to find ways to work together and how possible is that?
It's very possible, and we just do it.
I mean, we obviously know who the media fears, the people that they attack the hardest.
They absolutely detest you because you're not a controlled actor, as you once were, and you're talking about real issues.
They absolutely detest Tucker Carlson.
I mean, that's got to be public enemy number one, you know, Freed Tucker.
And me, I get it.
I totally get it.
I love it.
We are so prepared for this.
It's a wonderful thing to be persecuted because you're telling the truth.
It is a wonderful thing.
It's weird how wonderful I feel being persecuted every day by the media.
It doesn't make any sense other than to know that that's what it means to come to Christ.
And I think that we all do work together.
I mean, that is why I'm like, you want to book me on your show?
I'll do your show once a week.
I'll do your show 10 times a week.
And we have to do that.
We have to network.
We have to promote each other.
Well, we're going to cancel her now.
She's talking about topics that we don't care about.
We're going to cancel Russell Bram.
We're going to cancel Tucker.
How dare he go out and talk about Putin?
And the public is aware that there's a reason why we are so successful.
There's a reason why our podcasts are so successful.
People are still watching our show because they know they're being lied to by the establishment, and they know that the voices that are willing to keep talking about these topics are the ones that they can trust.
And so I think in the future, I think next year, I don't know.
I just think a lot of us are going to come together.
I think it's going to be like me, you, Tucker, some other independent voices.
And we're just going to we will be the new media and we'll be independent from one another, but somehow together that that is my vision for the future.
Steve Bannon is a controversial figure, but he's one of those rare individuals that understands how culture operates.
Let's have a look now at Steve Bannon's contributions to this conversation, obviously made prior to his incarceration.
If I've heard you use the phrase techno-feudalism and I think that's what many people wherever they find themselves culturally or politically fear is that we're being guided, manipulated, maneuvered in fact into a new form of globalism where technological power is utilized to control Our consciousness, our understanding of the public sphere, to manipulate consent and communication.
Can you tell me what you mean by techno-feudalism, how it relates to globalism, and who sits at the top of that baronial class in this model of feudalism?
Well, if you go back even to the Oxford speech, I tell, I'm kind of calling out younger people who have had a tendency just to vote for progressive neoliberalism, right, and really be led by the cultural side, that you're nothing but Russian serfs.
You're the equivalent of Russian serfs.
You don't own anything and you're not going to own anything.
The triad that controls The deal is really what I call the easy money overlords of Wall Street or the City of London or Frankfurt or, you know, Tokyo, Shanghai, but particularly the City of London and Wall Street.
Then you have the corporatists, both the American corporatists, but also the multinational corporatists.
And on top of that, you've got what I call the sociopathic tech overlords.
And right now, we basically have passed, I think, late-stage capitalism.
What I would call finance capitalism.
I think you saw that that was kind of the collapse in 2008.
And you've seen the rise since then of what I call techno feudalism, which is now we're basically going back to almost the Middle Ages in a feudal society where you're a digital surf.
Right.
You're essentially not going to own your own content.
You don't own your own digital self.
You're going to kind of labor away.
And as long as you don't come off of the being an indentured servant or being a serf, you can get along.
But once you stray outside this and you saw a perfect example, and I think it was one of your great awakenings was during the pandemic of what you saw about what public health officials did and kind of the combination of big tech Working with big government and of course the biopharmaceutical industrial complex, that was a perfect example of techno-feudalism.
And unless we start to break this by democratic means, that means the ballot box and people getting very focused on after you have victories of how you start to take apart these apparatuses, then I think this world is really headed to a new dark age.
What do we do about the big tech monopolies and their evident, and indeed we've touched upon it, albeit fleetingly, ability to control and censor open conversation and free speech?
How do you break those things down?
With what mandate?
From where?
Using what force?
Europe is starting, but I think you're seeing here, even the TikTok debate, these entities have to, first of all, two things have to happen.
Number one, you have to begin the breakup, like you broke up the Bell system and other massive communications platforms we have.
These companies have to be broken up into smaller pieces.
We have to get back to their entrepreneurial benefit, not almost their state capitalism controls.
They have to be broken up.
Number two, a whole series of rights, I think people's digital selves Right now, I think that people have a, you have an analog self and you have a digital self.
The digital self is almost raped and pillaged economically.
I think that that has to be much more controlled by the individual, that they're going to actually give those rights and those rights are going to have certain economic benefits to them.
This has to happen right away.
The other thing is I took a couple of simple things.
Number one, I think all TV advertising, like for pharmaceuticals, and I think in Canada and Britain, you don't have it.
In the United States, MSNBC and CNN is virtually, if you cut it on, it's virtually a little bit of news between a biopharmaceutical advertisement, right?
It's unbelievable.
That has to cease.
I think all types of programming, all types of almost political support for that has to come away.
You have to restrict your ability to advertise.
You have to, same with the defense industry.
You cut on these Sunday shows and the thought-provoking shows in the United States, it's always a Grumman, or it's always Northrop, or it's always the defense contractors.
That has to be limited.
You have to get their money out of politics to have a fighting chance.
Then we have to have very tough antitrust, and I mean antitrust to the last part of breaking it down.
Now, the hardest part, and the one that overlays our entire conversation we haven't gotten into, maybe it'll be next time, this whole issue of transhumanism.
We are literally, I think, five or six years away from the singularity.
And that's just not AI.
That's the convergence of CRISPR, biotechnology, quantum computing, advanced chip design, regenerative robotics, artificial intelligence, where on this side you have Homo sapien, you have humanity.
On the other side, at minimum, you have Humanity Plus, or what they call Enhanced Man, and I actually think leading to Homo Sapien 2.0.
That is the brightest line we've ever had in since recorded history.
It's going to happen in your, not just your audience's lifetime, it's going to be a major political issue in the next three to five years.
That's why we must break the tech oligarch state.
I am a proud, what I call Neo-Luddite.
Right?
I am all for, I would have treaties and stop this immediately because I think what's happening in transhumanism right now, led by artificial intelligence, and you see the flood to capital and artificial intelligence, well once that happens it gets out of control.
There are things that are going to happen that are so far beyond the Shire's ability to control it.
That'll make a farce of everything else we're working on.
All the other populist structures we put in it, things to try to get down to subsidiarity, it'll be overwhelmed by this.
And I'm to the point, I believe, of some of these guys that you have to have actual, if you need to, direct military intervention into data centers, water supplies that would supply this.
What is happening behind the scenes in these big research labs, what's happening behind the scenes in these big companies, and what's happening overseas in places like South Korea, North Korea, Romania, Russia, China, the CCP.
You have no idea how advanced some of this stuff is and how it's hurting.
Once it comes, it's going to be too late to control.
On top of all the issues we have, trying to take back and trying to not be tech-feudalistic, On top of that is really what could be the end of the human era.
And I think that's why to be alive today is to say, hey, Divine Providence put me here for a reason, right?
For every one of your audience members, what is that reason?
And I think the greatest epoch in mankind's history in the, what, 10,000 years or 15,000 years or 20,000 years is about to be upon us, and I think in the next five.
If we are indeed facing something as apocalyptic and isypocal as the end of human supremacy and the ability to control reality into the scale that you've just described, don't our political and cultural affiliations that have either been formed around agriculture, i.e.
monotheistic Abrahamic faiths, Or are the political ideologies that have emerged from industrialisation, i.e.
capitalism and all of its late and failing expressions, or socialism and all of its derivatives, somewhat redundant, and all and we be looking for extreme subsidiarity as local as possible, new alliances to oppose that potential immediately, because I believe you that it's a real threat.
This is what I think you're awakening your show, other shows, War Room, and remember, we have a principally a conservative, blue-collar, deeply religious audience.
They would rather watch Russell Brand and our audience watches you more than they watch Fox News, right?
And here's the reason.
Innately know something's up and that's why populism is getting to be that people are putting their time into populism and trying to put in time at the school boards, at the district level to take things back because they understand there's a dark specter that's over us.
And the only way to combat that, you're not going to combat that with equal structures.
It has to be, if it's going to be defeated, it has to be defeated by essentially an uprising of the Shire.
I mean, is this not what Lord of the Rings was about?
I mean, remember, Tolkien was, it was the trenches of World War I. We saw the inhumanity of the mechanized German army and what happened to the basic You know, British Tommy and those great, you know, working men that he'd seen from the Shire and the destruction and how much agony it caused when he went back home.
That's what gave him the whole vision of it.
That's to me the vision of the Neo-Luddite movement.
I'm not anti-technology.
I'm anti-out-of-control technology that could end mankind.
And we're playing right now with fire and we're empowering Because it comes with so much money, and I just go back to... Remember, Chad GPT just happened.
It was just revealed in Davos last year, 14 months ago.
Right now, you have Sam Altman trying to raise $7 trillion, and people are not laughing.
They're not saying he's going to raise it, but they're not laughing it off like it's ridiculous.
He's actually out there.
Who is he going to?
Some of the worst people on earth.
The hedge fund managers in the United States and the City of London.
The Gulf Emirates that dictate the monarchs there to raise this money.
Well, they're not actually going to be that.
They don't really put the shire at the top of their priority, right?
What happens to the good folks in the shire?
They put money in control.
And that's what you've seen on Wall Street right now.
As soon as artificial intelligence, Merged up with the speculative nature of late-stage finance capitalism.
That's where you get techno-feudalism to the 10th power, and that is our great fight.
We've got to take it one at a time.
The hour is late in doing this and combating this.
Right now, we don't even have an operating philosophy of what I call neo-Luddites.
It's very ill-formed.
I think I'm one of the leaders of the movement, and I can't really give you any more depth and explanation than Russell Brand, who's also one of the leaders of this.
So, it's all a warning right now, as humanity is under pressure to essentially be overwhelmed by enhanced humanity, controlled by the ultimate puppet masters.
Well, firstly, Steve, we've got to brainstorm the name because I bow to no one in my admiration for Ned Ludd and his attacks on industrialization and his understanding of what it was about to do to the peasant class of the United Kingdom.
But the Neo-Luddite movement, you've got to come up with some more White House gear that's going to be a little more catchy.
And also, I want to point out this.
While we're using image systems that are derived from early political structures, i.e.
neo-feudalism and techno-feudalism rather, it seems to me that what we are actually being opposed by now is something that is a dark power but, and yet, Luciferian.
We are talking about the apex of evil, potentially, and I believe that, as you indicated earlier, that to oppose that, you're not going to be able to bolt something together from these sort of half-arsed, neoliberal, secularised, rationalistic structures.
You're going to have to reach down into the very thing that makes us human, our The realization of the divine, the expression of God, God's self, living Christ on earth, transcendence of the individual self, and a willingness to sacrifice all in order to carry the great fight.
Now if we are gonna practice that kind of a war, Doesn't it seem that economic models that are somewhat, if not arcane, arcane's not the right word, nostalgic, are they going to be enough to get people up on their feet and out onto the street?
And can I add to that question, do you really believe that Trump is about to impose the kind of demonopolising regulations that are required across the big tech?
Finance and military industrial complex spaces?
Or will he, when in office, as he has been in 2016, ultimately find himself bound and held in the chokehold structures that exist only to perpetuate their own existence?
But I believe sometimes, Steve, on both sides.
What's the hysteria about?
If you want to know what a Trump presidency is going to be like, look at the Trump presidency there's already been.
I feel that we have to break beyond these models and my willingness to even look at something as sanctified, though it need not be so, as the Westphalian Treaty and the idea of nation, is because we have got to unlock something extremely powerful, Steve!
Extremely quickly!
Well, I think the first thing you know, you gotta look it's it's about a process, right?
We would love to be able to wish it away and wave a magic wand and have some have somebody come down and help us and do it.
We're going to have to do it ourselves.
There's there's nobody coming to save us.
That's why I think the power of your show and your audience, and remember, they've tried to cancel you like crazy,
also the Warment and others.
People will search this information out.
And the one thing we know about our viewers, the hardest thing we have to do
is keep ahead of the viewers because they're out there all day long
getting more information and connecting more dots.
That's where they're cutting edge.
We have to, in the process, take care of first things first.
The reality is we have to take care of the economic structures,
and that's gonna be a battle all of its own.
We have to also take of the connective tissue of all this, which is deep state or administrative state actors.
On that note, I can tell you Trump's going to come in like a crusader from the 11th century.
The thing about tech and all that, it's complicated.
I know that even people that are with me in the populist movement, there's a lot of divergence about tech.
A lot of people don't want to get too hard on that.
I actually want to shatter it and get it back to human scale, even if we have to lose 40 or 50 years of potential innovation.
I'm all for losing.
A generation of innovation, as long as this time we do it right and we don't let technology spin out of control, spin out of control of the people's ability to do it.
And like I said, this is all, and I use Neil Luddite as the best term I can come up with, but you bring up a great point.
I believe the Luddites lost, right?
And on this one, Russell, as you know, I'm up here.
I'm just a hard-headed Irishman.
I am 100% confident, not just in Trump returning to power, but that the populist movement in Europe and other places in the United States will start to take on the vested interests of corporate power and the financial power of the City of London and Wall Street.
I tell everybody all the time, I am not I'm overly optimistic on the issue about transhumanism and to take that on.
And I'm a fighter that can often see the sunlit uplands.
On this one, it's being formed right now and it's going to be a fight because the power in it is so ultimately powerful.
It's so much money and power for these tech oligarchs to control essentially what it is to be human.
What it means to be have immortal life, what it means to actually be human, to create, to step into the purpose of God.
Remember, I'm a Catholic, so as a believer in the Judeo-Christian West, I believe we're made in the image and likeness of God, and the one thing I always refer to is the most difficult verse in the New Testament in the Gospel of Mark when the apostles, he sent the disciples, the apostles out very early in Mark to go out and to cure the blind and to heal the sick and make the lame walk and they come back to him and he said, how'd it go?
And they go, it was good, we did all these things.
But the people said, people were saying, We weren't good guys, and you weren't God.
They were saying you were Baals above, and we're just taking the power of the devil and doing this.
And Christ tells them, He says, hey, don't worry about what people call you.
Don't worry about what they call me.
That's not the important thing.
The only thing that's a mortal sin.
He says the only thing that's an unforgivable sin.
Is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
To blaspheme that thing that makes us totally human.
Is we're made in the image and likeness of God, but we're endowed with the Holy Spirit.
That spirit, the Dao De Jing, or whatever you want to call it.
That is what makes us fully human, and that connects us, that's the transcendent connection to God.
Christ said it's unforgivable, the only mortal sin.
Is that, and that's what, in essence, is transhumanism.
The power of these oligarchs is to actually be God.
And we saw, if you believe in the, at least the story of the Garden of Eden and what it was about, it's the fruit of knowledge, right?
The knowledge of good and evil.
And this is what we're seeing right now.
That fight is the central fight we have, but we have other battles we have to win in the process to take that on.
Well, that's all we've got time for today.
Thank you very much for joining us.
Tomorrow's show is mind-blowing.
Do you ever wonder how social media power could be deployed to disrupt existing political systems?
It seems like a crazy endeavor, yet it's already happened.
Remember when Trump first used Twitter?
People were like, he shouldn't be allowed to use Twitter!
And now we have presidents just resigning on X and disappearing ethereally, never to be seen again, just to exist as a disembodied voice somewhere.
Now we have Some, and you know I think there are a few, but perhaps the most prominent social media commentator-cum-politician is Cyprus' own Phidias, who won the popular vote to become a member of the European Parliament in his country and then promptly went about revealing exactly the kind of hypocrisy and corruption we've long suspected.
This man can call Ursula von der Leyen his boss, the woman that did private tech deals with Albert Baller of Pfizer to the tune of millions, some of which may have raised questions and indeed eyebrows, particularly when you consider her husband runs a big pharma company.
So much to explore and explore all of it with Phidias, who could be the future of popular politics.
Join us tomorrow for that conversation.
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