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	Hello you Awakening Wonders there on Spotify, Apple, Stink Whistle, Gurgle Dot, or wherever you download your podcasts these days to remain at least peripherally connected to some tendril of truth in a bewildering miasma of lies and propaganda.
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	Now please enjoy this episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	Thanks.
	Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand and indeed what a special day
	it is at the RNC.
	Before I tell you who my guest is, you're watching me now streaming live on Rumble, from what I'm sort of increasingly forced to accept as the Bongino Suite.
	Yeah, I see you, Dan Bongino.
	He's over there.
	Even when he's not streaming, he remains magnetic.
	A voice of authentic male truth, doesn't he?
	But before I tell you about my guest, don't reveal it, Dylan.
	Don't reveal it, Isaac.
	I'm doing a build-up.
	Those of you that are British will be familiar with these words.
	Stop your messing around.
	Better think of your future.
	This is a message to you, Rudy.
	Do you know that song?
	No!
	Oh my God!
	I do not know that.
	I think you're making it up.
	A message to you, Rudy.
	It's such a beautiful ska song.
	Rudy Giuliani, thank you so much for joining me.
	Thank you.
	That's so nice that it's a song.
	You should hear in the Democrat parts of America the songs about me.
	In fact, that is the first subject I wanted to discuss with you, sir.
	I wonder, because I've experienced it not to the degree that you have, what it is to be cherished and treasured at the heart of a culture.
	I'm thinking very much of the Rudy Giuliani post-9-11 America's Mayor.
	The mob boss prosecuting Rudy Giuliani, adored and fated.
	In show business, one has a sense that there is a capriciousness about the adulation that you receive, yet while you are its object, it's easy to believe.
	I'm fantastic!
	I'm fantastic!
	So how have you adjusted as being a public figure that's experienced so much admiration to the, I'm aware of that, the condemnation, the criticism, the attacks, and as you mentioned, in Democrat America, the songs are songs of mocking and condemnation.
	How does that feel just as a human and as a man?
	I guess, Russell, I'm very fortunate that my parents brought me up in the circumstances in which I was raised.
	I'm a pretty balanced person.
	I expect great achievement for myself because my mother told me, well, like when I would come home from school and I had an A, my mother said, did other kids get A plus?
	I said, yeah, next time it better be an A plus.
	So my mother used to say, I'm doing that because I know how much talent you have.
	And then she also taught me, just because you're smart or just because you're better at something than someone else, it doesn't make you any better as a person because they have other talents and always remain balanced.
	And sure, when you have great success, there are times, for me, I think there are times, sometimes you make more mistakes because you think you're infallible.
	You got to watch that.
	I was aware of that.
	I wrote a book about leadership before September 11.
	It was really good that I did, because it was like my own psychoanalysis.
	I went about thinking, what are all the things that led to my being a leader?
	And I sort of discovered the idea of balance.
	Never to be too high, never to be too low.
	And basically also, to operate from goals and principles.
	And be really hard on yourself about whether you believe you're right.
	If you're wrong, change it.
	But once you believe you're right, dammit, don't let anything stop you.
	That's very beautiful that you have that tenacity and that your mother was able to endow what sounds like quite a complex message.
	A message of strong encouragement but also one of the... Yeah, it was a balance and I had a father who had tremendous courage.
	He was a boxer.
	Alright.
	He also had been in prison as a young man and overcame it.
	Cool.
	Which is... and never told me.
	What prison?
	In the United States?
	In the United States for, you know, for a robbery.
	And it was maybe 15 years before I was born.
	So you're like a working class Italian.
	My family, you would describe very much as lower middle class.
	We were, I wouldn't say we were poor, but we were pretty close.
	We were closer to poor than rich, that's for sure.
	But hardworking and never without.
	While I recognize that that kind of your father's pugilism and potentially his ability to withstand whatever horrors the incarcerated must always know has clearly afforded you a certain robustness, I wonder how you feel when, like for example, if we take the issue of 9-11, at that time there was a kind of a simple available idea.
	America was under attack, there were assailants and there was a requirement for war.
	You must be aware of the media space that you're in, Rudy.
	I know you have your own YouTube channel that's very successful, and I know that you're infatuated with the kit.
	Now, in this world, people are extremely discerning when it comes to accepting narratives.
	Now, since 9-11, of course, you know, relatively contemporaneously, Someone like Michael Moore, who I know will be detested by the viewers, made the film Fahrenheit 9-11.
	It's been sort of demonstrated that there were connections between the Bush family and the Saudi Arabian royal family, but now the world, this space, is completely alive with the idea that there were some kind of awareness and deep state involvement.
	Now I just heard how sensitively Dan Bongino handled the idea The SS failure was somehow an inside job.
	Dan was like, how dare you say that?
	You know, her as a professional and devoted former member of those services.
	As a former mayor of New York and a man who has so much power, has had at different points such power within government, how do you feel about these kind of peripheral ideas about conspiracy, government corruption, deep state involvement and collaboration?
	How does that feel and how do you reframe and appreciate those ideas?
	It's a fascinating question because slight change in my outlook on it.
	So if you were to question me about these things, I don't know, maybe five, six years ago, I was the biggest rejector of conspiracy theory, either on the right or left.
	As a lawyer, I always wanted proof.
	I always wanted... Like, when I put out the story of Biden's criminality, and I was the first to do it, I interviewed all the Ukrainian witnesses.
	Nobody else has.
	I wanted to be sure I was right.
	And so, the short answer is, normally, I would have rejected all of these theories.
	I think we were all crazy to engage in conspiracy theories.
	I think both Donald Trump and I together, learned together that the government is far worse than we thought.
	The deep state is deeper than you can see down, right?
	I probably was more aware of it than he was when he came into office, but it's way beyond what I thought.
	So there is probably no conspiracy now that I would reject out of hand.
	There's also none that I would accept without I think of the conspiracies as I did when I investigated crime, which is what I did for more of my life than anything else, as hypotheticals.
	You look at the hypotheticals on the Kennedy assassination.
	O'Reilly wrote a really nice book about this, pretty much the way I look at it.
	Here are the four or five people with a motive.
	Who had the biggest motive?
	Where is the best evidence?
	He concluded you can't figure it out, but it was very very good.
	That's the way you should do it.
	I would not accept that the Secret Service was part of this or the government unless there was hard proof of that.
	I do accept that there are facts.
	You can call them circumstantial.
	You can call them coincidences that point to an incredible breakdown.
	And people search for a reason for a breakdown like that.
	So, unless this is investigated really thoroughly...
	People are going to be doing conspiracy theories on this 40 years from now.
	But you might notice that I'm wearing the Secret Service pin right here.
	I put it on this morning.
	Not for the upper level of Secret Service.
	Because I know those poor men and women of the Secret Service are walking around with their heads down.
	And they shouldn't.
	Because even if there was something wrong at the top of the Secret Service, these are some of the bravest people you ever met.
	Dan being one of them.
	I mean, I worked with these people, you know, for 17 years.
	I am the one who arrested Hinckley after he tried to kill Ronald Reagan.
	I got him arraigned that night.
	I handled his entire case.
	I did the after-action report on what the Secret Service did wrong.
	And then I guarded, for eight years, two presidents when they came to New York.
	In New York, I think Dan would tell you this, the New York City Police Department plays as big a role as the Secret Service.
	You were missing the New York City Police Department in Butler County.
	When I was mayor, we were 41,000 and the Secret Service is about 12,000.
	So, we have the luxury of covering everything, and we do.
	I've got quite a lot of questions, Rudy.
	Now, there's a few things I want to cover.
	You've already mentioned that you have a particular tenacity, an ability to, when you know, you said that your mother endowed you with this quality, if you know you are right, you hold on to it.
	There's a sort of a complexity though, because we know that dealing with law, whilst on one level it's about objectivity, it's also about narrative.
	It's about creating a compelling story with available evidence.
	No question about it.
	And in inducing inquiry and doubt into counter-narratives.
	One of the challenges I think we have now is the way that media functions so quickly is with, for example, the recent events in Butler, the immersion and availability of, why was the ladder up there?
	Why was the periphery, the roof slant?
	That's ridiculous.
	How do you imagine there can ever be, again, a kind of rigid control of information?
	And I wonder how you, while deploying the skills and experience of a lawyer, counterbalance the tenacity, the will to impose a desired outcome, if you're in the service of a client, for example.
	With the likelihood that truth is diverse and diffuse in some instances.
	I'm not saying that there's no such thing as right or wrong or God.
	I believe in God.
	But I'm saying that when it comes to something like 9-11 or the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, there are numerous narratives that might be rendered and the most skilled narrators will likely win.
	Indeed, we are in the middle of a war of narration.
	The old gatekeepers and the old authorities are dying.
	They are unable to cope with the new ability to create narratives.
	How do we ensure that strong narratives are marshalled correctly by the right minds?
	I mean, that's a big question.
	Yes.
	I should write a book about it.
	I'll take notes.
	I'll be your amanuensis.
	You and I could write it together.
	One of the things you could say is we're in the age of psyops.
	Yes.
	And I don't know that we... I think we'll be... Here's the one piece of good news.
	Many of us, including you and me and others, realize now we're in the age of PSYOPs.
	We were in the age of PSYOPs four or five years ago.
	We didn't know it.
	And they are way ahead of it.
	Meaning the Dems and the liberals and the left-oriented and the communists.
	I mean, the communists have been practicing PSYOPs for 150 years.
	And we tend to be, because of who we are, you know, honest, honorable, want things proven, When you're willing to be completely dishonest, you can practice psyops much easier than if you're going to be honest.
	What I try to do to keep balanced is to use my skills as an investigator.
	I use whiteboards a lot because I investigated the mafia on a whiteboard.
	So I put down the facts that I have.
	I always, like if it's a murder or a, let's say a murder, I start off with, I always start off with who has the biggest motive.
	One, two, three, four.
	Then you start putting the facts together.
	What does it look like?
	What does it look like?
	Who does it tie to?
	The problem that we have is, if you switch the facts, and you set up all the same facts, and we shot, somebody shot and almost killed Biden, and there were a whole bunch of Trump administration people around at the time guarding him, we'd be at, uh, we'd probably be in an arrest already.
	Certainly searches, uh, because they don't, they don't operate honestly.
	And the country is really very fortunate that it happened the other way because we're not like that.
	Uh, so what I, what I'll do with this is I'll keep gathering facts and, uh, See if I can come to a conclusion about it.
	I always use the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
	Yeah.
	And if I can't, then I'll give both sides and let people decide.
	I've been doing that with the Kennedy assassination since the beginning.
	I still don't have a one theory that I could definitively Buy, but I could I can give you the evidence for all of them Secretly I have one that I like better than others.
	Oh, yeah, but I can't but I can't I won't say it because I can't prove it yet and here Here I'll begin with It's too jarring and too hard to believe that this was anyway planned by the government So I'm not going to accept that Unless there's a definite proof the way I didn't accept although of course the left doesn't Biden's criminality.
	Now I have Biden's criminality with so much evidence that it's beyond absurd.
	And it could be proven in any court, anywhere, if we had a fair court system.
	We're running three tracks simultaneously.
	On one hand, I'm still interested in the shifting perspective of 9-11, and I would contest that PSYOPs have been around for a lot longer than five years, and you yourself said they're in the hands of the communists 150 years, but of course many people believe that 9-11 was to a degree an engineered event.
	it's difficult to corroborate.
	And I know that in a conversation with a man such as you with your pedigree and experience,
	it's not helpful to engage too fully in conjecture, but there are a huge number of people
	that have questioned about building seven and controlled demolition
	and the various complex aspects of that event.
	And what it has done like the Kennedy assassination, and even like the recent assassination attempt,
	is widened the fissure between the people of America and also the people of the world.
	If I may say as an English person, and the systems of authority
	and the systems of institutions that used to widely be referred to as democracy.
	And now we see that these have become somewhat intransigent institutions
	governed by deep state and permanent interests that have a relationship beyond the bureaucratic
	and national, it seems to me as an outsider.
	They also have a corporate and commercial component that is global, it appears to me.
	Do you think though, as you just implied, that there is an obvious line, you said like that, you said they, like that the Democrats are sort of fundamentally and essentially distinct from the Republicans, because of course, when it was, you know, during the Iraq war, when your country and mine went under the terms of a falsehood to war, it was under a Republican administration, it was under that neocon incarnation of the Republican Party, And it seems to me that the potential for this level of corruption goes way beyond the sort of partisan divide of Republican and Democrat, and seems to be what many people in this space call the uniparty.
	That most people, when they get sucked into this system, become corrupted by it.
	That the system almost demands it of you.
	First of all, that's a very good correction and a very good thing to remind people of.
	Because, although you could very, very quickly divide this into Republican and Democrat, You have exceptions on both sides.
	So, you are right that my side, also Republican side, has people that are corrupted by the massive pressures toward corruption that happen to government officials the higher they go.
	It just so happens, and it may be a time in history, That the Democrat Party is the party in which it has spread much further.
	I mean, they've rotted from the top pretty deep.
	We have, you could say in their party, not their whole party, the upper level of their party is pretty close to systemically corrupt.
	The upper level of our party, I would say, is mostly not with exceptions.
	Could that change?
	I mean, Human nature is human nature, but you really can say there is a uniparty, and you see Republicans like Romney join it and become active parts of it, or Cheney, or... Makes me go back and wonder about Dick Cheney.
	I really admired Dick Cheney.
	Dick Cheney taught me how to be a chief of staff.
	I was in the Ford administration, I was appointed as the Chief of Staff to the Deputy Attorney General.
	Let me just ask, sir, was he a kindly and gentle mentor, or was he like, when I see him on the telly, he's like, this is how you be a Chief of Staff, you bastard!
	You better be a good Chief!
	And he didn't shoot me.
	Hey, that was an honest mistake!
	I'm just trying to have a little fun!
	So at 29, 30 years old, he actually was a, he was always a rather formal guy.
	But yeah, he was a nice, he wasn't a frightening man.
	He wasn't like, we were young, very young, and he was older, and he was the Chief of Staff to President Ford.
	I was the Chief of Staff to the second-ranking official in the Justice Department.
	I think I was 31.
	And it was a very intellectual, very well-done lecture.
	Which I remember to this day and have taught to my own people.
	So I always had a lot of admiration for him.
	I did think, as the administration progressed, with 41, uh, 43, that he had become a different person.
	I mean, he had become a harder person.
	Which one's 43?
	George W. Bush.
	The one who led us into the Iraq war.
	And I thought it was like a strange...
	I'm not sure they ever got that arrangement solid.
	You know, Bush selected him probably on the recommendation of his father to have an experienced hand with him because he had never run, he had run Texas, but he had never run the federal government.
	And I think Cheney thought and believed he had more power Well, either that he should have, or that he had.
	Maybe he did have.
	And there was kind of a bitterness, maybe, that he wasn't actually running things.
	So, I don't know that it was a very healthy situation.
	And he was a different person.
	He was much harder than he was 20 years earlier, when he was just teaching a bunch of young people.
	And I wish that Dick Cheney had remained, because he was quite a nice guy.
	It's a shame that we lost him.
	Look, I hired Comey.
	I hired Comey when he was a young man as an assistant U.S.
	attorney.
	I trained him for three years.
	If you told me that years later he would lie in a FISA report, I'd have probably punched you in the nose.
	I've got a series of questions that I've seen.
	And now I think he should be in jail.
	Right, okay, fair enough.
	We're gonna need evidence and a damn good narrative.
	And a good trial lawyer to try the case.
	I'm volunteering.
	You're available for it.
	There's several questions here.
	We mentioned briefly George W. Bush.
	In those days, electoral mismanagement seemed like an almost antique and somewhat arcane thing.
	Hanging chads and down in Florida.
	Do you remember that?
	Oh, I'll never forget them hanging chads.
	Now it's much more about faulty voting machines and dominion.
	Do you believe that election interference took place in the most recent election, in 2020, and do you think that election interference and indeed election fraud is a possibility, particularly given the seemingly unassailable position of this party, the Republican Party movement, Do you think that election interference is a genuine fear and a reality?
	And given your commitment to evidence-based inquiry, is there significant evidence for us to assert that it's a real problem?
	The answer to your questions are yes and yes.
	Thank you very much, Rudy Giuliani.
	There was, without question, election interference in 2020.
	That I can base on about the solidest evidence that you can and that is hundreds and hundreds of affidavits, interviews, video recordings, forensic tests that if we had had a fair and open judiciary would have been allowed in court.
	Most of it I was able to put before state legislatures to make it a matter of history.
	When we were rejected To have a hearing in the Pennsylvania court.
	The president, I was his lawyer, his group of lawyers and the president decided that, yeah, they'll pursue the cases, but we're going to go before the state legislatures because I wanted and President Trump wanted to make sure, win or lose, we had a historic record of what happened so it never happened again.
	Now, I had probably At that point, 800, 900 potential witnesses that were pressuring me to testify.
	So I wanted to do something with all of this.
	So what I did was I convinced the legislature, the Republicans in Pennsylvania, the Republicans in Michigan, the Republicans in Arizona, and the Republicans in Georgia to hold hearings.
	And we presented our witnesses to them And there's a record of all of that.
	So now when people go back and argue about it, we have actual testimony from people who say, for example, in Detroit, a very nice 68-year-old Indian American woman who says she was taken out of her job as an engineer.
	She's brought in for training by the Democrat Party, and she was taught how to take ballots that didn't appear to be real mail-in ballots because they weren't folded.
	And there was a whole group of registrations they had available.
	And to pick a registration and put it next to the ballot.
	The registrations turned out to be people that had moved out of Detroit.
	Preferably to another state.
	Sometimes 20 years ago.
	But they kept the names in the file.
	Sometimes dead people.
	Sometimes, now this didn't happen in Detroit, but it happened in states where 17-year-olds and 16-year-olds can get driver's licenses.
	So they would take driver's licenses, they'd turn it into a registration, and they'd register a person who was under the age of 18 because they'd never show up to vote.
	Because the real fear is you vote that person, the person shows up.
	So now you want the end result of it is the worst was in Pennsylvania.
	On election day, 17,000 people showed up in the city of Pittsburgh who had already voted.
	And I have a complete record of that, and all the evidence of that.
	And the chief witness who obtained that was a former CIA operative, a very professional person.
	I also have evidence from a...
	Exceptional lawyer, who when he was thrown out of the... When you were talking about the chads, I think if we remember that image, we remember they're poking the chads, and there's usually a person here and a person here.
	Republican, Democrat.
	And then they look at it, and they don't object, they put it in.
	Then all of a sudden one of them goes, and they put it aside.
	This has happened time in a memorial in American elections.
	I was part of it as a young guy.
	I was a poll watcher.
	We never got to see, Republicans, a single piece of paper in Pennsylvania.
	We were placed 100 to 400 yards away in stalls like cows.
	And all we could see is the paper, but we couldn't see what was on it.
	So the lawyer in charge had been the head of the Bar Association.
	He rounded up all his lawyers, and he said, look, we're never going to see it, but I want you to count.
	I want you to keep a count.
	Because ultimately, I want to be able to show how many ballots were entered that we never got a chance to see.
	Because they're invalid.
	So we had 700,000 over four days.
	We go to court.
	The first lower court we lose, we go to intermediate court.
	This poor judge has probably been thrown off the bench.
	She actually ruled for us.
	She said, well, that was illegal.
	Because the Democrats said, oh, all the law says they have to be present.
	The law says both parties have to have someone present for the recounting.
	But they don't have to say anything.
	And she said, well, of course, they're not supposed to be there as a potted plant.
	It goes up to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.
	Logically, present should mean you get to see something.
	Supreme Court of Pennsylvania said, no, present, you can just be in the room, you don't have to see anything.
	Now, the point of it is, same thing in Georgia.
	In Georgia, I never got to see a piece of paper.
	By me, I mean Republicans.
	No Trump person ever got to see a piece of paper.
	They fought us like hell.
	Every time they did a recount, if we were right, and there were 100,000 phony ballots in there, they were recounting the same 100,000 phony ballots that were put together like that woman said.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay?
	And the fact that they would never let me see it Proved to me that there was something wrong with it, because if you're accusing me of doing that, and my ballots are pristine, I say, Russell, look at them forever!
	I might have ten people watch you.
	Now, here's something very interesting not covered.
	Two months ago, it was revealed that 375,000 paper ballots in Georgia are missing.
	They're gone.
	Do you think I have any doubt that those 375,000 paper ballots are gone because they're incriminating?
	Because some of them were probably done by machines.
	We have evidence from witnesses, but not what you would call solid proof, like three witnesses who say, three blocks away from the arena in Fulton County, Georgia, where the big vote takes place, there's a small little factory And they were producing ballots there because they didn't know how many they needed.
	And in some cases, they would actually use a machine because they had to get it done quickly.
	So the machine put the X or cross on the name Biden, did not vote the rest of the ballot.
	They didn't have time for it.
	So they said, if you go into the paper, you're going to find probably about 30 or 40,000 of these.
	But we never got to see the paper!
	Listen, I've got to ask you two questions.
	I have detailed evidence of this.
	It sounds like it.
	Extraordinarily detailed.
	I've never known detail like it, but I've got to tell you.
	When you're in New York, I'll take you to my little music room.
	I have it all filled up.
	I want to ask you this though.
	Rudy, if deception of that magnitude can be practiced, doesn't it in a sense undermine the entire process that we're currently undertaking?
	All of the giddy euphoria that surrounds this event and the presumed assent of Donald Trump, it would appear according to your analysis, could easily be undone by institutional electoral corruption.
	So what is going to prevent that according Since then and now, we have put together as many things as we could think of to stop it.
	The law in Georgia has been changed so that the absentee ballots, when they come in, are going to be examined already.
	And that's because we have a Republican legislature.
	And we have an enormous number of people now, volunteers, trained.
	Turning Point, Charlie Kirk's organization, has taken on this mission.
	They're going to focus just on Michigan.
	The good part is, it isn't the whole country.
	The Democrats were very smart.
	They cheated in crooked Democratic cities, so they get crooked judges to decide the cases.
	And anybody that thinks that the lower court system in New York is really a court system is ridiculous.
	It's an appendage of the Democrat Party.
	It has been for 200 years since Boss Tweed was there.
	You become a judge in New York because the Democratic county leader appoints you, and there were times in which you paid him money.
	I put a few of them in jail.
	Those two judges on Trump's case Have never been selected in any sensible way.
	The guy who says that Mar-a-Lago was worth 18 million when it's actually worth a billion.
	He's been elected three times.
	Without opposition.
	Which is like not being elected.
	The other guy is never elected.
	He's just appointed by the Democratic county leader.
	And in a political case, he has to rule for the Democratic Party or they'll bury him.
	I learned that in law school.
	I don't even learn that in law practice.
	My law professor used to say that.
	One thing you can't win in New York and the New York Supreme Court is a political case, forget it.
	No matter how good a lawyer you are, you're gonna lose.
	He used to make a joke out of it.
	The New York court system is completely corrupted by the fact that it's dominated by the political clubs.
	Rudy, how can the... And those are the cities.
	When I heard the names of the cities where they stopped the counting, I was with Newt Gingrich, I went crazy.
	I said, damn it, they picked the most corrupt cities in America, because they're going to go before courts that say the present means you can be a potted plant, you don't have to say anything.
	They picked Philadelphia, an incredibly corrupt democratic city.
	Atlanta, Georgia, every other mayor goes to jail.
	Detroit, Michigan, it could be a joke.
	They didn't need to pick Chicago because Chicago was there.
	They probably cheated in Chicago for practice in case they'd be needed in another election.
	Milwaukee, where we are, pretty damn bad as a corrupt democratic city.
	And Maricopa County, Arizona.
	They didn't cheat in the entire state.
	They cheated in the counties, the cities, that really are not terribly different than a communist dictatorship.
	They're run by one party.
	Chicago has been run by one party for 60 years.
	They haven't had a Republican mayor in 60 years.
	200 years, there have been four Republican mayors of New York.
	I'm one of them.
	If you want to look at when New York was honest, it was pretty much when the Republican mayors were in charge.
	We go back to Boss Tweed.
	We have a statue to the most corrupt... I mean, they don't even make a joke out of it.
	They have a statue to Boss Tweed.
	We're taking down all these statues and we have a major criminal that we have a courthouse named after.
	So, they were very smart.
	This was very intelligently done.
	They basically cheated.
	In their home court.
	But this, you believe, cannot be practiced again because of regulatory measures, including those induced by a turning point, have been put in place.
	Mr Giuliani... Could I just say... Of course.
	It can't be stopped completely.
	I think we can reduce it.
	...to an acceptable number that we can overcome.
	There will be cheating.
	I lost my first election, people thought, on cheating.
	I wasn't sure.
	Second election, I spent a million dollars on election integrity.
	And the people who did it said, we cut it in half.
	If you overcome 30,000 votes, you win.
	But I can show you 30,000 votes that were stolen.
	You know, the other side, though, think that the evil dwells solely in the domains of the Republicans, and they will point to recordings of Donald Trump saying, you've got to find me 10,000 votes.
	Would you say that that's just sort of colloquial vernacular rhetoric, Donald Trump said
	just find 10,000 votes.
	Like, do you know this tendency to regard the errors of your opponents in the most negative light
	and the potentially the errors of your tribal allies in the best possible light,
	does that not contribute to this general sense of decay and decline that you must have experienced
	over the course of your time in various forms of government?
	It does seem like a fully immersive corrupt system when I hear you describe it right down to the sort of smallest roles and the smallest courts everywhere.
	Electoral interference.
	Can't trust 9-11.
	Can't trust the JFK assassination.
	Can't trust the recent assassination attempt.
	Do you sometimes feel that when you think of the simplicity of the messaging of your own mother that there might be sort of a spiritual pathway that is being neglected and negated throughout government because we've been caught up in this kind of vile partisanship?
	Well, there's a lot to that.
	And there's a lot to it and very many times it's true.
	Here's the danger of it.
	Every once in a while it's real.
	In all of that misattribution of motive and exaggeration, in that world, very, very crooked, very dishonest, very evil people operate.
	And therefore you have to have the ability to separate one from the other.
	Which means you have to be a person who's willing to sit back like we are with the Secret Service, listen to all the evidence, and don't get persuaded until it's just beyond any doubt.
	I'll give you an example of what that 50,000 votes that saying to Rosenberger, find me 50,000 votes.
	Donald Trump knew there were 200,000 Questionable votes in Georgia.
	Dead people who had voted.
	People from out of town who had voted.
	The ballots that I told you about that were printed After the election was over, he had a whole list of them, not just from me, from Peter Navarro, other sources as well.
	So when he said that, he was saying, you know there are two to three hundred thousand phony ballots.
	You can't find twenty thousand?
	That's what he was saying.
	Now here's the interesting thing.
	The guy on the other side knew it too.
	He had a report in his desk of all the irregularities in the election that wasn't discovered Until a year and a half later with an FOIA request, which he hid.
	He had a report from his own people telling him how bad the election was, and he never disclosed it.
	We now have it, but the press pays no attention to it.
	But as historians get a chance to look at this, the place where you will most certainly be able to show fraud is Georgia.
	Some of them will be harder.
	But that's probably the best case.
	Like, Michigan.
	Michigan, I can tell you they were cheating.
	But I can't tell you it absolutely got to the number to affect the election.
	I can tell you it did in Georgia.
	I can tell you it did in Pennsylvania.
	I can tell you it's in Arizona, but I can't tell you that it's in Michigan.
	Rudy Giuliani, thank you for your tenacity.
	Thank you for your verbiosity and your loquacity.
	What a joy it is to be around you.
	You see, this lady, the good doctor, she has been eyeing us for a while.
	She's my president!
	Your president?
	This position, this glorious human being.
	Who's operating that one?
	Thank you, Jenna, very much.
	This person here is quite insistent that you make your departure.
	I would happily listen to you because it seems like you have so beautifully chronicled your experience in government.
	I wish we had time to cover so many things.
	I'm going to be on your side of the pond.
	Will you come and see us?
	I hate when they say pond.
	On the other side of the ocean.
	Yeah, because that's the ocean.
	It's not a pond.
	That's a contained... You know, I think very, very... It's derisory!
	People want to, like, feel very important.
	I'm going to cross the pond.
	It's only a pond.
	I'm enormous!
	Okay, let me see you swim it, Jackass.
	Yeah, we'll walk across it like our Lord and Saviour.
	Rudy, thank you so much for your time.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I hope we will speak again soon, sir.
	You are!
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	Afterwards, I'll be speaking to Jack Percivick about a good variety of things, and we'll be streaming for a little while.
	I wonder if you'll consider becoming an Awakened Wonder?
	Because this is going to be an extraordinary show.
	Rudy Giuliani.
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	We're with Jack Prasovich right now.
	Thank you, Jack, for being with us today.
	And thank you for your... You're so kind the way that you inquired about my wellness immediately.
	Thank you for being so human in this extraordinary overstimulating environment at this very, very heightened time when there's a sort of a lot of sense that we're...
	There's euphoria and excitement because it seems like the electoral victory is a foregone conclusion due to the extraordinary events of recent days.
	I don't know that I would agree with that.
	Go on, please.
	No, I don't know.
	I would agree with you on the sense of the euphoria and the energy.
	There's a palpable energy here and you're surrounded by it, you're caught in those currents right now, but at the same time, And I don't know if it's because I was in the Navy or whatever, but you have to look to the horizon and say, I see clouds.
	I see potential clouds.
	Well, would you, from your perspective of a former naval intelligence officer, describe to me... Don't patronize me, Jack!
	I would never dream.
	Would you tell me, what do you mean by clouds on the horizon?
	What are the, from your perspective, the potential threats?
	So, well, I mean, the obvious, of course, you know, the bullet of an assassin almost took out Donald Trump on Saturday night.
	And, you know, when you see one of those things in a massive lapse in security, the question comes up, could it happen again?
	Could it potentially happen?
	He's not going to stop doing rallies.
	He's not going to stop holding these things.
	And so, and there was even some discussion, you know, maybe move digital, move online, do virtual.
	I said, no, absolutely not.
	I'm going to go with the people.
	Now, I don't know if he'll be doing as many outdoor rallies, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went back to Butler Penn.
	I'm from Pennsylvania and I, I'm from the other side of the state, but yeah.
	And so I wouldn't be surprised if he went back to Butler, Pennsylvania, because that's just how he is.
	Then I look at, Joe Biden, the collapse, the decline.
	I've got my sources on the Democrat side as well who say they are working night and day.
	They want him out.
	They want him gone.
	The money's dried up.
	And they're saying, look, if you stay, the money is out.
	And so they are now working to craft whatever dream team they can think of to put up against him and JD Vance going into the fall.
	And they've got He's got the story. Donald Trump has got the story. J.D. Vance
	has got the story.
	So they have the power of the story. They have the power of narrative. They have the power of truth.
	However, the other side, the regime, the establishment, they have a lot of institutional
	power. And that institutional power will still be a challenge to overcome, even with the wind
	behind your sails and even with the momentum and even with the power of story. And you're a
	storyteller, so you know that. But it's still going to be, you know, this rock and a hard place
	kind of situation. Yeah, I recognize that, of course, the power of narrative. And of course,
	it would be naive now not to be alert to the potential of even the most extraordinary
	obstacles because it...
	In the immediate aftermath of an event, because we consume so much news and information, sometimes it can sound hyperbolic to imagine that you are actually in the midst of real history.
	But I'm now just getting the sense of the...
	Deep significance of what has just happened and what might be about to happen.
	Now, I obviously come from a very different political and cultural, I imagine, perspective from you, other than I'm virulently anti-establishment, extremely pro-freedom, deeply cynical and suspicious about the nature of power and its ability to coalesce around corrupt forces and institutions.
	So I have, you know, my own cynicism about all forms of party politics just accrued from a lifetime of witnessing corruption after corruption, lie after lie, deception after deception.
	Corruption in politics and lies and deception?
	What are you talking about?
	I don't know any lies.
	Did you know, for example, number one, the good guys have won every war, every politician has been great, and every time the CIA has investigated itself, it has not found any wrongdoing?
	Isn't it extraordinary?
	It's incredible.
	It's amazing.
	It's very difficult, isn't it, for me at least, to kind of, forgive the term, get it up for what amounts to an institution that's got such long entrenched ties to power and to corporatism, if not the kind of nefarious globalism and bureaucratic power that terrifies me more than any other form of tyranny.
	The kind of tyranny that I think is being augured in the name of compassion.
	The kind of citizen management that we're being confronted with.
	We're just helping.
	We're just helping.
	And we're doing this for your goat.
	We're doing this for your safety.
	Because we care.
	Nurse Ratchet, this is the most terrifying person and figure that you will ever come up against.
	Yes, I completely agree with that.
	But when you say that the Democrat Party might be maneuvering in order to put in a more appealing set of candidates... I don't know that they have one, but they certainly... I'm not quite sure that they have any because, you know, I look at their bench and I don't see a lot to like.
	But I do see a lot of formidable opponents out there, I do.
	Really, who would make you, who would give you consternation?
	Also, it's not so much the candidates themselves.
	So Kamala Harris, I don't think she's formidable, but she will have an establishment behind her.
	And the same way that you've seen, so there's been this sense, unity has been, you know, kind of the watchword of this convention that we are uniting, reuniting around, reuniting around the people.
	And as you just said, by the way, the Republican ticket now, Is an anti-war ticket for the first time, I think, in American history, that you've got two anti-war candidates, the president and vice president, one of whom, by the way, served in the war and came out of it saying, I have questions.
	Like myself, I came out of the military and I said, you know, I, I don't think that the things that we're doing line up with
	the things, the goals that we espouse.
	And so to see that repudiation of the corporatism and the globalism and the entrenched bureaucracy
	when Donald Trump made that pick of JD Vance was stunning, was absolutely stunning.
	So you asked me about the formidable opponents on the other side.
	Actually, that's a bit more interesting than my question.
	But I see all of that lining up with the other side now.
	That's what I think is going to happen.
	Because I want to say, Jack, right, when you say like anti-war candidates in Trump and Vance, one of the hardest recalibrations for me is to look at the Republican Party as an anti-war party.
	It's insane, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's almost, it's inexplicable.
	And one of the things experientially that I've had is like that, you know, when I spend more time, I spend a lot of time in your beautiful country.
	And I spend a lot of time around service personnel.
	And one of the things that really started to shift my perspective was that people that are in the military have become anti-government and not necessarily anti-authoritarian.
	They come from hierarchies and chains of command and all that.
	But I'm talking about pretty high up people in the military.
	I'll tell you exactly what I mean.
	When I was a kid, if I'd criticised America or criticised the American wars, when I was in my 20s, when I'm like a drug addict and I'm crazy, I'm dressing up as Osama bin Laden.
	I'm anti-American corporate power.
	Like, I would have assumed that Americans would say, don't disrespect the troops, don't disrespect the military.
	Now, I would never be disrespectful of anybody that is willing to sacrifice and serve.
	These are the highest goals and the highest values.
	But what I see is the people that are in those positions detest their government, detest authority, and are deeply suspicious.
	How have we found ourselves in this position, where people like you, a veteran, and people like J.D.
	Vance, and powerful figures like Donald Trump, with all of these former ties to corporatism and commerce and power, have become Anti-war voices and what does that tell us about the type of power that is ultimately?
	Controlling the current establishment and if I can just add one more thing to that great pile of language How could we be sure that in power the Republican Party will be able to resist those forces?
	Because you know what would commonly be referred to as the military-industrial complex.
	This is the fight This is the big fight that we find ourselves in and look you you had a one key point that we just saw was that Donald Trump just stood up to them and This past weekend, all of the forces that you were talking about through the vessels of people like Senator Lindsey Graham was sitting on the plane next to Donald Trump.
	You can't choose J.D.
	Vance.
	You couldn't possibly choose.
	J.D.
	Vance is going to be terrible for this country.
	J.D.
	Vance is wrong.
	J.D.
	Vance stands for all the things that are wrong with America.
	He's going to turn America into the wrong place.
	And Donald Trump, as he flew here to Milwaukee, was listening to this person.
	Powerful senator, direct ties to the military-industrial complex, J.D.
	Vance with all of the industrial base of South Carolina behind him.
	That's why you see J.D.
	Vance, Nikki Haley, and Tim Scott, huge ties to that base because it's all in South Carolina and they're all from South Carolina.
	That is the thread to look at when you look at American power politics.
	It's even geographical.
	Oh, it's entirely geographical because there's so much industry based in South Carolina there.
	And so, Virginia as well is another one.
	I see.
	And so they will then support the candidates through donations that represent their interests, not necessarily the interests of their state.
	And of course, Rupert Murdoch comes in, the entire Murdoch empire, which, by the way, is sort of emblematic of, in many ways, the old media.
	So, you know, you have your Fox News, you have your Wall Street Journal, you have New York Post, you have The Sun, you have Sky, et cetera, et cetera.
	This is all the Murdoch empire.
	And so they're constantly putting up these, Karl Rove attacking JD Vance, and it's just full spectrum.
	Warfare against this pick and Donald Trump says no.
	No.
	Yeah, I can tell you though how that's interpreted on the outside is like this dude, Donald Trump is so now certain of his power and ascendancy that he was empowered to pick a MAGA candidate because he didn't have nobody to acquiesce or no requirement for alliances.
	Now, you know that the GM, these kind of conferences, these kind of conventions, I've never been to one before, man, like they're like insidious vipers.
	There's creatures walking around here.
	Have you seen the creatures?
	Have you seen them?
	I'm astonished by it.
	One thing is that it's like a, I don't mean this in a condemnatory way because I've also met really, really lovely people, but I would say this, this is not to do with party political persuasions because actually you could say the same thing about Hollywood or the Oscars or anything.
	These kind of institutions are like insidious vipers nests of power plays.
	Oh this person's on the rise, this person's in decline.
	Can I just ask you the question?
	Because you know what it is?
	It's these types of institutions, they attract the sort of people who their greatest contribution
	is loyalty to the party, their greatest contribution, and this is on both sides, and so their greatest
	contribution is that.
	It's not something in their personal life, it's not something where they, you know, successful this, successful that.
	No, it's contributions to the party and then the climbing, the climbing, the climbing, the backstabbing and all of that.
	And you can feel it, and you can see it.
	You can see it.
	Obviously, I'm not immune to it.
	I feel like I could get sucked into it at any moment.
	And I sort of feel like, hold yourself together, man.
	Stay close to God.
	Stay close to Christ.
	Remember, there is no real power but His.
	That is the only true and real authority.
	And the power is only the ability to do things in His holy name.
	But I've also heard like a lot of crazy sort of weird gossip and stuff like him from various sources and I heard that RFK was very very close to being the VP pick and had it not been for that leaked footage.
	Supposedly he's here.
	Well, I believe that is the case.
	And I understand that had it not been for that leaked footage
	of the Trump phone call, that that might have happened.
	What do you think about that?
	And what kind of, how would that have changed the trajectory of this movement
	at this moment in this election?
	I don't know if he was really close to the VP pick.
	From everything that I had heard in my, just dealings with people and discussions in this,
	tiny, small role that I may have had, it was that JD was the favorite going into the weekend.
	Saturday happens, the assassination attempt, this very suspicious assassination attempt.
	Then the question comes up again on Sunday, Monday, because the forcing function is that the party
	must nominate formally a vice presidential candidate on the first day of the convention.
	So even in the midst of all of this going on.
	the rules are the rules, you must nominate. Now, you could have postponed, but that would,
	of course, cost how much money and everyone's flying in, etc. So I believe the RFK play was
	a slight misdirection on one hand to say that because Trump, eternal showman that he is,
	knew that throwing more names into the mix would create these headlines, would create the buzz,
	would create the... That's The Apprentice, he did it for 12 years.
	But I think the goal really is, and you're right, the leaked footage...
	It dented but not as much this the RFK relationship because Trump came across great I think in the
	footage itself. I posted it myself I said I'm gonna post it if it's like sees you know going
	off I thought it was fantastic what he was saying he stood by his comments on early childhood
	vaccinations he stood by his comments. Wow I mean that's pretty amazing.
	He said forcefully, he said, look, I tweeted what I tweeted all the way back in 2012, by the way, when this was not a popular, you know, thing to talk about the idea that you give these vaccines to these little children.
	He said, and he's very graphic imagery.
	He always uses their little bodies, only 10, 12 pounds, and they're pumping them up with medicine like a horse.
	Open him up like a horse.
	Did you see Shane Gillis doing... I would say there's a role for RFK.
	I think there's a role.
	Please, God, please.
	I know Bobby and I really love him.
	And I think that when everyone's talking about unity, it's important.
	I just wanted to tag.
	Did you see Shane Gillis doing Trump on Kill Tony?
	I did see it.
	And then they had the Biden, too, right?
	Was that the one with the Biden?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's very, very funny.
	Excuse me.
	My next question.
	Hold on.
	This is an important one.
	Oh, yeah.
	You talked about the assassination sort of being suspicious.
	Of course, at this point now, there's so many peculiar anomalies that seem like at points
	ineptitude.
	I think it's important to mention that there are rank and file members of the Secret Service
	like any people in positions of that kind of authority.
	Dan Bongino was pointing out a little earlier, people are doing their best and people deserve
	respect.
	So when you say suspicious, do you mean suspicious in a JFK assassination type way?
	Do you mean suspicious as in, oh, this would be incredibly convenient to some of the most
	powerful interests in the world?
	Because when you were just saying that about vaccines, for a minute, I allowed myself this gentle shudder that you could have someone in a position of presidential power and authority that is anti-Big Pharma and anti-military-industrial complex, anti-some of the most powerful forces, and God knows what awful, occultist forces ultimately operate them.
	Precisely.
	I wonder, do you think that that is a reality, and what lengths would people go to to prevent that reality?
	And do you think the anomalies in the events in Butler point to it being in some way coordinated?
	Well, you know, and I've been thinking about this a lot, and...
	I don't know if, and as an investigator, you have to say, okay, what's the evidence that we have?
	And I don't know that we have enough evidence yet.
	The anomalies are astounding to me that, and this is someone, I have a military background.
	If someone's suspicious, you don't let them walk around with their range finder for three hours, scaling buildings directly adjacent to where the president's going to be speaking.
	Who's the man up there with the rangefinder?
	Oh, he's fine.
	He certainly comes to assume the best of people.
	He could be finding a range for any number of things.
	He could be climbing that... He could be painting!
	Ornithology, I would say.
	Ornithology, yeah, birdwatching the birds of Western Pennsylvania and...
	There's some interesting species.
	Of course, of course.
	It is extraordinary, isn't it Jack?
	It's extraordinary.
	I've never heard anything like this since the events of 1963 in November in Dealey Plaza with JFK.
	I've never heard of such a thing and I've done presidential events on both sides of this.
	I've done presidential visits as a military member and then so many more as a Just as a supporter and attending these things, it's inexplicable to me.
	And we know, by the way, when you hold an outdoor event or an outdoor rally, something like that, the first question always comes up, where are all the high buildings?
	It's the first question.
	It's not even the second question.
	It's not the third question.
	It is question number one.
	That is the biggest risk, the biggest concern.
	It's just obvious there.
	And I've been at events, for example.
	Did you notice that he had that farm equipment that was kind of right next to him in the footage?
	Have you seen that?
	Yes.
	And he had the hanging flag?
	Yes.
	Those are security implements.
	So people might think that, okay, that's just an accoutrement, that's a decoration, that's, okay, it's an American rally, the president, it's Trump, he wants the American flag.
	And he's showing a tie with, you know, with farmers, so you throw some farm equipment there.
	But if you notice, those are strategically positioned for The potential ability to create what we call cover and concealment of a potential sniper.
	Now, there was some blockage of him, but from this specific building to Trump, there was no blockage.
	So he had the time to go and check, okay, this building, no, that's not gonna work.
	There's a tractor in the way.
	There's a crane over here.
	There's a flag over here.
	Ah, but that building, that building is perfect.
	And we know that security saw him and we know that security was there.
	And so we have no idea why it could be that they didn't respond.
	And when they did respond, why was the information then not passed?
	They knew, think of this, they knew 10 minutes before Donald Trump walked on that stage that someone was on that building.
	Why do you let him go out?
	Why do you let him go out?
	And so here's what I'll say.
	Hypothetically.
	Let's go hypothetical here.
	We can do hypotheticals, right?
	It's a hypothetical.
	We're allowed to do that.
	We're free.
	Free speech platform on a free speech day at the RNC.
	So hypothetically, let's say you were one of these nefarious forces that wanted to do anything you could to stop Donald Trump's rise.
	Well, at first you think, okay, you know, we've got enough structural power, we've got enough ability through the mainstream media, we've got enough ability on the ground through our ballot processing machines to, you know, the printers are running, he'll be fine.
	And then the debate happens.
	And you lose your avatar of Joe Biden, the one man holding the Democrats precariously together.
	And then you think, okay, well, we'll get our guy, we'll get our man in as vice president and we'll get our man in or our woman in as vice president and that'll be our way to derail it.
	And then you hear that that's not working either.
	And then you hear that he's shifting in another direction.
	And all of this happens within a 10-day period.
	Oh, God, it's such a mess.
	So even within the Republican Party, like the Lindsey Graham sort of moves.
	You've got to take this person!
	Yeah, they don't come out.
	Nikki Haley, or potentially this Doug Burgum, who's very, you know, very corporatist, close with Bill Gates, by the way.
	Oh, shit.
	Sold all the farmland of North Dakota to Bill Gates.
	Very, very corporatist, WAF kind of guy.
	And...
	And then you say, well, the Lawfare didn't work, and the derailing didn't work, and we don't have a candidate against him.
	What would you do?
	What's the last play that you have?
	What's the last card in your deck?
	Take him out.
	One of the information problems is now, because I didn't go on X for a bunch of time, right?
	And so I still follow people from a long, long while ago.
	So I'm still accessing all of the information.
	Oh yeah, you're peeking behind the veil.
	Yeah, I can see the other side of it.
	I exist in this space now, free speech, anti-establishment spaces that are very much born out of the right or explicitly right-wing and conservative.
	But on the other side, and I must say, I don't know why I'm telling you this, vanity really, I preempted that you would see coming out of liberal establishment places vernacular around conspiracy, false flag events, this is staged, this couldn't happen.
	Because of the type of information age we live in, Of course.
	There is such an appetite to find ways of repurposing this event.
	You know, like you've seen people say inappropriate things, and then you've seen people that are usually free speech
	saying, hey, you shouldn't say inappropriate things.
	Do you see that sometimes there seems to be an odd moral void in our culture?
	No certainty when it comes to truth and authenticity.
	But the use of...
	We have become...
	And I just wrote a whole book about this.
	We are totally unbalanced.
	We're totally unbalanced as a country and as a society because this carries to the UK as well.
	What is your book?
	So the book is, it's all about communism.
	The book is Unhumans, The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them.
	And it's this idea that when you have a political force that rises up through the pranks, rises up through the power, that views the other side as subhuman, unhuman, not deserving of human rights, stripping them of their human rights, and we see this in every single communist revolution throughout history, that then you treat them as, as one might say, treat an invasive species in your garden, or an invasive species on your farm, You, you would attempt to eradicate them.
	You would attempt to drive them out.
	And we see this in revolution after revolution, whether it's Spain, whether it's France, whether it's Russia in 1917, whether it is, of course, China and the events there under Chairman Mao all across the, um, all across the third world.
	And so this is the real danger.
	And that's what you're, you're tapping into because when you lose your moral core and your moral core becomes those people are standing in the way of my utopia.
	It's a shame, isn't it?
	Because revolutions against oligarchical corruption I think are necessary and fantastic.
	And it's unfortunate that if there is not a divine principle somehow guiding that you place a human being as the apex and then you are in a position to do God's work of determining this from evil and killing like a God.
	And who do the communists come for first?
	They come for the Christians, they come for the priests, they come for the nuns,
	Yeah.
	because they know that in order to completely destabilize and take out a country,
	you must strip the moral core first.
	And the moral core is always Christianity.
	So stripping the moral core, pushing it away, replacing it with their own.
	And my wife's from the Soviet Union.
	She'll tell you all about this.
	And Solzhenitsyn will?
	Of course Solzhenitsyn will.
	When Solzhenitsyn was asked to sum up all of his work, he said, how could this happen?
	And he said, we forgot God.
	Yeah.
	We forgot God.
	And so that's what, look, I'm a Rosary a Day guy.
	Yeah, I'm doing the rosary every day.
	Luminous Mysteries Thursday.
	Luminous Mysteries Thursday, there you go.
	Luminous Mysteries!
	So I was gonna do this.
	Gotta do them luminous mysteries!
	I actually have something for you.
	This is a rugged rosary.
	Oh my god, what does that mean, rugged rosary?
	So this thing is tough.
	This thing here, so this is 550 cord.
	This is what they use in the paratroopers use.
	This is what they use when people are downrange.
	This is the rosary that you can take into the fires of hell and will protect you.
	Oh my God, Jack, that's made me love you a little bit.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much for this rugged rosary that will... I don't want to go into the fires of hell.
	I want to be in the light of the Lord.
	But they may come for you.
	They may come for you.
	Mate, I've had a good go.
	I swear it ain't over.
	Thank you.
	Praise Jesus.
	Thank you so much for your kindness.
	I really appreciate it.
	I will carry on talking, but we have to do a pre-recorded show with Kerry Lake, and she's here already.
	I don't want to be rude to her.
	Hey, everyone.
	Thanks for watching.
	Jack, thanks so much for coming on.
	What a joy to talk with you, my brother in Christ.
	I hope we can find ways of communicating further about the complexity of centralized and institutional power.
	Thanks for joining me today.
	God is great.
	Thanks, man.
	Hey, you lot, thanks for joining us.
	I've got to go now to do a pre-recorded interview with Kerry Lake.
	We'll be back tomorrow, not with more of the same, but for more of the different, baby!
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	Hmm?

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