THEY’RE CENSORING VACCINE HARM DATA | Dr Dave Martin EXPOSES Big Pharma Manipulation - SF 403
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Hello there, Dave.
Thank you so much for joining us.
It's brilliant to see you there and it's so fantastic that you could make it.
I'm excited to talk to you.
I've actually done notes.
I've done notes of questions I would ask Dave Martin.
Do you want to hear them, Dave?
Isn't it more fun when we just do it when it happens?
Thank you very much for that coffee.
This is somewhat a tease because we're still on YouTube so people are going to know that you wouldn't be able to answer these questions while we're on YouTube.
For example, look at this one.
Did vaccines kill more people than they saved and can we prove that?
You can't be answering that kind of thing on YouTube unless the answer is don't know, don't be ridiculous.
They saved countless lives and we should, as Bill Gates is suggesting, have a vaccine for everything.
We've got a brilliant clip of that as well.
I also wanted to ask you about the debate, Dave, whether or not it's plausible that it's part of a concerted effort to replace Biden, because I can't imagine that they put him in that position without knowing the likely ramifications.
Yeah, that wasn't a surprise.
There were no surprises there.
There are no surprises.
Thank you so much for joining us.
I saw your interview with Alex Jones recently and I also saw a clip from our last conversation where we talked about the WHO and in particular their immunity from prosecution was getting a lot of heat, a lot of love On the platform of X. So I'm very excited for us to have the conversations today about bird flu vaccines, about where we are with the pandemic, about the reason that the information is being delayed and whether or not the UK and French elections are simply a kind of a globalist beauty parade.
So there's quite a lot to talk to you about, Dave.
So much to talk about and so little time, but we're going to make a lot more of these times, so that's great.
We are going to collaborate more, you and I, and indeed Kim, your beautiful wife.
There's quite a lot for us to discuss.
There's a hell of a lot of future for us to discuss.
That's exactly right.
Alright, well, we're looking.
Thank you Dave, I love you. Thanks for joining us.
Okay, so first of all, I wanted to talk to you lot.
Thank you Dave, that's great.
If you don't mind, well done guys. Thank you.
So, first of all, this is what I want to talk to you about.
This is, I suppose because I'm British, this matters to me personally.
I live in this country.
That means there's all sorts of stuff that I don't talk to you about.
I'm not bothering you with my feelings about England's advance through the Euros tournament.
I'm not troubling you with what my personal opinions are on the formation or my admiration for Ivan Toni.
and his particular style of penalty taking.
I'm not bothering any of you with that because we've got important, revolutionary, radical matters
to discuss.
But when it comes to British politics, particularly as it seems that we've elected
another figure with strong connections to the WF, like Macron,
who's just assured himself a significant number of years, even though it's just two or three more years in the office
of President.
I think it's worth us looking at these leaders and what they represent.
We've talked to you before about Keir Starmer's relationship or lack of relationship with Julian Assange, his potential opinions on the Assange case, his authoritarian position.
On previous matters of unrest in political and social matters in the United Kingdom when he was head of the CPS.
But a new litmus test that's blessedly emerged in the post-pandemic era is we can see how authoritarian leaders are by looking at their response during the pandemic period.
We can look at whether or not they believe in independence, freedom, liberty, freedom of communication, censorship, surveillance, issues that you know are bound up in the incumbent and ancillary
issues that connect to the pandemic and the way that it was legislated. And here is a beautiful
montage of Keir Starmer, new UK globalist supremo, talking about the pandemic and in
particular offering us what solutions he agrees with. And I think the thing I really want you to
pay attention to here is the way he talks about how the degree to which he would be willing
to collaborate with the government.
Now, you know, in your country, they always say this is a bill that's so popular it has
support on both sides of the aisle and is always support for a war.
It's often that.
Or support for voting themselves a new pay rise.
It's, for me, not an indicator of a healthy democracy, but quite the opposite.
How democracy has become a mask for a kind of obfuscated, somehow vague, new form of tyranny.
This is an interesting example of how that works.
Let's look at Keir Starmer's position on the pandemic at different points throughout it.
Pay close attention, y'all.
The scientists are clear.
Our best defence is the booster jab.
The vaccine is safe and effective.
It protects us and those around us.
That's why Labour supports it.
But remember, no clinical trials for transmission.
Just bear that in mind.
I support the government's plan to get every adult boosted by the end of the month.
And personally, I want to urge every one of you to book an appointment or go to a walk-in centre as soon as you can.
I've just had my booster.
Quick, painless, no side effects.
And I would encourage absolutely everyone who is eligible to come forward and have their booster.
Don't be taken in by the misinformation.
Blue Nose Bob in the Rumble Chat calling him Keir Farmer.
That might overtake Starmageddon as the best available new nickname.
Look at the degree that he's going to to personally advocate for those medications.
Now remember, at the time, perhaps in good faith, you could believe, and I'm fascinated to hear what our guest Dave Martin says about this, that those political leaders, those media pundits, those endless advocates for Four pharmaceutical intervention that were willing to call it vaccines, not gene therapy, that were willing to pressurize and shame people that were vaccine hesitant or vaccine reluctant or downright cynical about globalist intervention and evident authoritarianism on the rise.
Remember the position that these leaders took.
And note how aligned they are with the current government.
This is Keir Starmer, of course, when he was in opposition.
But where is his opposition, obstructive, or opposing, or inquiring, or interrogating role as the official leader of the opposition?
Do you not feel that if it's the government's role not to represent you but to oppress you, Surely it's the role of the opposition to resist and enquire of the government as to what they're doing and how they're achieving their stated goals, their manifesto.
How often do you remember seeing Keir Starmer going, what's going on with Julian Assange?
Is he still in Belmarsh?
Are we going to do something about that?
You never saw it.
What you saw was more of this kind of stuff.
Come forward, have your booster.
Think of yourself, think of others, think of your communities.
Places like this are open, it's quick, it's easy.
Please do it.
Anti-vaxxers getting platforms and so on.
Well we have to deal with the anti-vax campaigns because they will cost lives and if we need to pass emergency legislation to deal with them I'd be quite prepared to work with the government on that.
We could pass it in a couple of days in Parliament and...
Misinformation costs lives and if we have to create emergency legislation to deal with them, I'm happy to work with the government on that.
We can draw it up in a couple of days.
That's talking about censorship.
Do you have any idea what's being discussed there?
The ability to newly censor, novel new ways to censor and control information just being blithely discussed On morning television in the UK.
As if freedom of speech ain't a thing.
As if individual freedom isn't a thing.
As if the right to be cynical about a product that has shown us more and more that we were correct to be cynical isn't a legitimate right of all of us individually and almost a duty of us now collectively.
The sooner we do that, frankly, the better, because for many NHS staff it is really distressing.
They're under huge pressure and it's been building over the last few weeks and months.
They're all doing their level best.
They're all seeing that it's getting very, very difficult and to come out and to have to confront that or even hear that, Is against the national interest and if we need legislation, I'll sit down with Boris Johnson.
We can draft it.
We can pass it very, very quickly because that misinformation will cost lives.
We need as many people vaccinated as possible.
Even if your argument is this is Kyostarma in response to a crisis, we live in a time of omni-incessant unending crisis now.
So how do you imagine Kyostarma will respond if NATO say we need troops from every NATO member country?
Or how do you imagine that Kyostarma will respond if the WHO say we need you to participate in this treaty and we'll be taking taxes from your country?
How do you imagine with the escalation of war, with the escalation of digital IDs, Digital currencies, new measures and means for individual control, new measures and ideas predicated on saving the environment or protecting the climate or whatever a seemingly worthy cause.
How do you imagine this man as leader will take it and how significant do you let me know in the chat?
How significant do you think it is that he is a fully paid up and maybe fully purchased member of the World Economic Forum?
Let me know.
We all need to give people confidence to be vaccinated and that is pulling together as part of the programme.
It is also dealing with this misinformation that is out there.
As the Prime Minister knows, we've got the highest regulatory and medical safety standards in the world.
But it's really important we do everything possible to counter dangerous.
Met Police calls for common sense over Christmas.
Let's just settle down into some common sense and celebrate the birth of Lord Jesus in a sensible way though, not like God is incarnate among us and that the whole festival has been commodified and the people are having massive Christmas parties in government Including, actually, Keir Starmer, although his party was a little more muted.
I seem to recall long-lens shots of him clutching a beer while working.
While working.
Because they're so different.
This is a wonderful new hue of authoritarianism that's been ushered in, same as in France.
Vive la France.
Vive la revolution.
Vive the march towards globalisation and authoritarianism.
Frankly, life-threatening disinformation about vaccines.
We on this side have called for legislation to be introduced to clamp down on this with financial penalties for companies that fail to act.
So will the Prime Minister work with us on this and bring forward emergency legislation in the coming days which I think the whole House would support?
Well, Mr Speaker, we are, of course, working to tackle all kinds of disinformation across the internet and he's right to single out the anti-vaxxers.
There you are.
That is how Keir Starmer was in opposition.
How might you imagine that he will govern?
Presumably in accordance with global edicts.
Presumably kowtowing to institutions such as the WHO and NATO and financial institutions of a global nature.
Presumably he will be inviting and enticing Bill Gates at all to contribute.
This to me does not seem like a departure from the last 14 years for all of their ineptitude and Obvious corruption.
Rishi Sunak with his connections to Moderna even prior to entering government extraordinarily.
Although this might be a variation, it's not a significant change, is it?
And this taken in step with France's recent political machinations where it seems the system can be manoeuvred to create the desired results while maintaining for us the spectacle of democracy or representative electoral systems.
Choose your own idiom.
It seems to me, more than ever, we have to start recognising that radical change is what's required.
And where does radical change begin?
I would offer you, it begins within.
It begins by listening to your own heart.
It begins by connecting to nature and one another and rejecting the information that we get from Keir Starmer and his globalist media But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
If you're watching us on YouTube right now, we're going to be available for a matter of seconds more because I'm joined by our fantastic guest, Dave Martin.
Dave Martin has torn up the rule book when it comes to reporting on matters of globalism and global health, the power of Big Pharma, the corruption of regulatory bodies, and I'm today going to ask him the questions that matter.
Starting with this one, Dave Martin.
Dave Martin, once and for all, can you tell us For an actual fact, do you believe that those medications killed more people than they saved?
Let's do a very simple math exercise, shall we?
Yes!
The math exercise that we're told in the world of public health is really simple.
We do what's called a cost and benefit analysis.
And in the world of public health, the cost is, if you don't take measures, if you don't do things, what will the outcome be?
And the benefit is supposed to be, is there a social gain in the world of public health, where if we take a measure, is there a public gain that we're going to get from that measure?
And unfortunately, in this particular case, the whole system from the outset was set up to actually, unfortunately for the whole world, never answer the social question is, as we just heard from Keir Starmer, is there A social benefit.
Are you helping grandma?
Are you helping your neighbor?
Are you helping your community?
Are you helping other people?
And the answer is very simple.
This injection was designed to genetically modify your body so that your body manufactured a toxin to which your body may, may, and the may we didn't have any evidence to support, May develop some sort of a immune like response.
Tiny little problem.
The clinical trial specifically said it wasn't measuring transmission.
It wasn't measuring infection.
It was measuring only the severity of capriciously defined symptoms.
In other words, This shot only had an effect on you.
It didn't have an effect on the community.
It was not a public health measure.
As the Ninth Circuit Court recently found, it was actually a medical procedure, not a vaccination.
As the companies themselves reported, this was gene therapy, not immunotherapy.
As it is gene therapy, as it is an experimental gene therapy, what we can say is every single adverse effect was in fact An effect that happened without a social benefit.
In other words, the cost to society and the cost to the individual taking the injection outweighed any proposed benefit whatsoever.
My God.
And that is an absolute statement.
Yes.
More people died from the intervention.
More people got sick from the intervention than had no intervention been taken whatsoever.
I'm sure you've already seen this clip of Bill Gates advocating for vaccination for everything.
It only takes about 30 seconds, Dave.
I'd love for us to watch it together.
I believe it's Asset 37.
That's not on my board.
So guys, could you play that in from the gallery so me and Dave can watch it in full together and then we'll comment on this.
Because this is Bill Gates saying vaccines for everything now.
Let's have a look.
Making the mRNA is really easy and really cheap, and that's the magic of this thing.
But there's no doubt in the next five years, we just need to mess around.
There's a lot of lipid nanoparticles, and some are very self-assembly.
There's no inherent reason it's not thermal stable, it's not cheap, and it's not scalable.
And so as over the five years, we fix that part of it, mature it, which is very typical.
We'll be able to build factories worldwide that can make $2 vaccines with even less lead time
than we've had to have here during this pandemic.
And we'll use those as you suggest.
For every disease that we don't have vaccines, we will try mRNA.
In fact, for HIV, we have multiple ways.
One that's more of a B-cell approach, one that's more of a T-cell approach.
For malaria, we have multiple ideas.
For TB, we have multiple ideas.
And so to fill in the missing vaccines, we'll make a lot of our bets of the Gates Foundation and others who care about global health will be mRNA-focused.
What do you make of that, Dave?
Does this seem like the part of a broader plan being introduced to us more widely?
Well, as you know, Russell, we have no question that the Gates Foundation has, for its entire existence, been promoting experimental therapies of every variety.
And the mRNA platform, which he just got done advocating, saying that we could just mess around Just mess around with human genome.
Let's just mess around with it, play around, and over the next five years, we're going to come up with the way we can take this mess of the mRNA platform, and we can fix it so that we can get everybody treated, is a sociopath telling you that he is going to experiment with the death and destruction of humanity, and he is going to do it with impunity.
I can't still understand how this amount of power has coagulated around these individuals, how it's happened so... Well, I guess when I listen to you, Dave, I recognise that it's not happened rapidly when you explain to me the history of the WHO, when you give me some insights to how these bureaucracies have been formed.
What's remarkable about the way that media works nowadays is it's possible for us over the course of one conversation to see Biden advocating enthusiastically For the shots, to see the legacy media carrying that message, and then to see, as we have done, as we can see now, that the Biden administration are seeking to delay the release of data relating to COVID vaccines and their side effects.
How do you imagine that they will be able to maintain control of the narrative when it seems pretty clear that the measures that they're taking now are an attempt to obscure the truth That they have, you know, up till now denied.
Well, Russell, remember, and I try to remind people that the clinical trials for the mRNA shots are a matter of public record.
This is not something that is hidden.
It's not something that requires a FOIA request.
The clinical trials for this particular intervention are still open in their second phase.
We are not into...
and post-approval programs, we're still in the clinical trials phase and we will be in that phase
until 2027. So when we talk about we're not disclosing and we're not letting all this
information get released, we need to understand we're still in the middle of the clinical trial.
As recently as two months ago, the Moderna clinical trials were updated because there were all kinds of changes to the protocol.
So, not only are we not going to see the data, but we remember that in 2016 to 2018, the pharmaceutical industry collaborated with the World Health Organization to change the definition of adverse events.
They literally ripped the definition out of the dictionary and said that adverse events can only be counted if there is published scientific literature that shows that the adverse event is shown to have been in scientific studies validly associated with the alleged intervention.
Here's a tiny problem.
When you have Gates on the one hand, and you had in the COVID case, this manufacture of an experimental gene therapy, the injection of it into billions of people's arms, and then you change the definition of adverse event to say that adverse events aren't adverse if they have not been published before.
Listen to what I just said.
If they haven't been published before, they don't exist.
And now we're not going to publish them.
So, great news!
There will be no adverse events.
It's an amazing racket and this is why we have to see that when they changed the legal definition of adverse event in 2018, they actually wrote the law so that there can be no adverse event to any of Bill Gates's mRNA platforms.
There will be no adverse events because we don't have published scientific literature showing causality and as such they don't exist.
It's extraordinary to see those kind of legislative changes taking place prior to 2019.
I recently saw you describing the significance of event 201 or 210.
I find it 201, yeah.
201.
Thank you, Dave.
I find it so hard, even after all these years, even after having the privilege of having conversation with people like you, to accept that these staged events precipitated and preceded the pandemic, meaning that this is in fact That the worst possible appraisal of what took place in those couple of years is the truth.
That it was pre-planned, that it was designed to create opportunity for authority, to create profit, and probably even more malfeasant goals than that.
How do you interpret the fact that that legislation was made, that legislative change was made in 2018.
Event 201 happens in 2019.
How do you interpret that, Dave?
Remember, I don't have to interpret it.
Remember, I don't have to because September 18th, 2019 is the day that lives in infamy and will live in infamy For all of human history.
It is the date when the World Health Organization said there would be a accidental or intentional release of a lethal respiratory pathogen so that by September 2020 the world would accept the universal vaccine.
The World Health Organization stated on September 18th in publication in the document a world at risk.
They stated that there would be a release of a lethal respiratory pathogen for the purpose of a universal vaccine by September 2020.
Russell, I don't have to guess.
I don't have to state my opinion.
I just have to read their plan.
It's, I suppose, comparable to the Project for the New American Century, where it was written down, we need a Pearl Harbor-like event to legitimize a spate of Middle Eastern wars.
There's a kind of theme developing, there is now a kind of bureaucratic paper trail available to us.
Why is it so hard, when this kind of information is available, to make a reasoned argument about the ongoing assent and death grip of globalist governments on civilised and significant nations around the world?
Why have the UK just voted in with a pretty significant mandate, a centrist, WEF-oriented Labour Party?
How have France been able to manoeuvre to ensure Macron remains President?
And what is happening, I mean this is a lot of questions, but what is happening in the United States right now to either ensure that Biden is able to continue to run as president or that minimal change and impact takes place during and around the next election?
Well Russell, you and I have had this conversation and I celebrate the fact that we continue to have it and I will celebrate that we continue to have it as long as we can, which is That we, the people, have allowed these systems to go into near autopilot.
The complacency and the acquiescence of the masses to get steamrolled into this belief that says, well, I don't know how it happened, but it just happened.
We allegedly changed the UK government But apparently what we got was an apologist for Boris Johnson.
You know, that doesn't feel like change at all.
That doesn't feel like any alteration in the status quo.
And then you realize, oh, hold on a minute.
That's because Boris Johnson didn't represent himself or his ideology any more than the current government represents itself or its ideology.
The fact of the matter is, And I've said this, you know, that I talked about this back in 2010 and 11 and 12.
But this goes all the way back to the first Bush presidency when I said when investors, largely pharmaceutical and defense, bought both sides of the ticket, meaning the Democrats and the Republicans were in fact owned by the same people.
Then it doesn't actually matter what puppet you put into whatever position you ascribe having power because it is merely puppetry.
At that point in time, the marionette strings are what we should be paying attention to, not the thing that we see dancing on the stage.
And the thing we see dancing on the stage looks like, oh, my goodness, he's wearing different clothes.
Oh, my gosh, he doesn't have any clothes at all.
And we watch the puppet and we forget that it's a puppet.
And we forget that the same hand is pulling on both sides of the string.
So we've got the puppet string on this side, the puppet string on this side, and lo and behold, if we look up, we see it's the exact same hand running the puppet.
And it doesn't matter which side they're on.
Macron could not be a better example of what I just said.
There's no way that he actually has a mandate But he's helpful for the people who mandate what's going to happen.
And this is the point.
The point is we still are living in the illusion that goes all the way back to what we fantasized about.
In the 13th century, where we fantasized about maybe we would have rights as people to actually live and have liberty and have livelihood and have all of the things that matter.
We live in that fantasy only to find out that the reality is that a very small group of people are the people who are actually managing the theater.
And we are merely observers of the theater until we choose to stop playing along.
And we must stop playing along.
We must actually leave the theater.
I love it!
And I wonder what this new resistance movement is going to look like.
Early indications suggest that populism is on the rise, primarily across Europe, and I believe in your country, in the form of right-wing populism.
But I have a sense that what we need to come up with is a little more sophisticated, a little more inclusive, and a little more anti-big finance and big corporations.
Dave, after a short break, I want to ask you about what the next event will likely be to legitimise further authority through crisis.
Will it be war?
Will it be bird flu?
How will we organise in the way that we surely must against it?
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While we're doing that, let me show you something that I want to talk to Dave about.
While we wait for Dave, let's have a quick look at this bird flu clip.
Asset 28.
That's actually just one over the page.
Nice one, guys.
Let's have a look at this.
I'm going to ask Dave about bird flu.
He's just dropped off Zoom.
It's presumably...
Will bird flu be one of the next measures deployed against us?
Let's have a look.
We turn now to the growing concerns over the spread of bird flu.
A third human case has now been reported in the US.
Another farm worker in Michigan.
While officials say the risk to the general public remains low, work on vaccines is already underway.
Better believe they're working on vaccines because it seems, as Bill Gates said, you name it, and even if you can't name it because it's unpronounceable, we will have a gene therapy for it.
It's enough to send you dancing into the arms of the Lord.
That's why over on Locals the other day, I don't know if you saw it yet, it's up already, I had a conversation with Bishop Robert barren. We talked about theology, we talked about personal
relationship with Christ, and we talked about interpreting the Bible, we talked about a whole lot
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becoming an Awakened Wonder and joining us. I suppose that I've come to faith through addiction,
through despair, through suffering, through loss, through isolation, through disappointment,
through heartbreak, heartache, and personal ruin. You came to it through addiction,
through a kind of spiritual, moral crisis, and that's a classical path to God.
You know, when something falls apart in this world and then a deeper, higher world opens up in that process.
Or when you hit the bottom of an addiction and you realize, this is taking me nowhere, it can open you up then to what's beyond all addictive desire, which is the desire for God.
And what's disguised in all addictive desire is ultimately a desire for God.
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Now, having gone through that, then you are better suited to be an active presence and
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Dave, I'd be very grateful to talk to you about your spiritual journey and your faith.
But when we left off, we were discussing the next likely outbreak and the next measures to be able to implement We can assume that at least part of that will be cyber attacks because Dave Martin appears to have been yanked right off of Zoom again.
When Dave comes back, I want to talk to him about this.
Actually, it's up to you.
I could talk to you about Remdesivir, or I could talk to you about the latest media scramble and the latest attempt to reframe... Dave's back, thankfully, but I've got some good stuff to show you.
Dave, before you were cyber-attacked right off of Zoom, I was asking you about what you considered would be the next event.
Now that we can track these patterns, now that you are able to observe the paper trails, what do you imagine is going to be the next event?
Is it going to be bird flu?
Is it going to be increasing war?
How will they, through crisis, legitimise further controls?
What's your opinion on that, sir?
Well, let's double check.
First of all, can you hear me, Russell?
Because I want to make sure you can hear me.
I hear you loud and clear, and I see you in Technicolor, and you're more beautiful than ever, if such a thing were possible.
Beautiful.
There you go.
So I said on the show I did with Alex Jones the other day that we're in the middle of World War III.
And I'm going to just take a quick little framing response, because if we understand that in war, The enemy is always going to be using multiple strategies at any point in time.
It's going to be information warfare.
It's going to be kinetic warfare.
So what we saw just recently with the Ukraine, what we see that's going on in Israel and Gaza, what we see that's going on across the destabilization of parts of right now South America, where we see resurgence of this alleged kind of anti-government force activity that's going on.
We're going to see kinetic warfare, but we're also going to see the now biological warfare, which is going to be vast and, and without question, the greatest deployment that we have on this earth, because it becomes so easy to deploy.
All you do is you create the illusion of fear.
And ironically, rather than running away from the battlefield, You actually see people running to the clinic to get shot.
Literally running to get shot.
This is the weirdest war that we could ever imagine.
It's the only one that we've seen in human history where the victims of the war have run into the live fire zone.
It's called a clinic.
It's called a hospital.
It's called a Pharmacy.
It's called a drugstore.
You are running into the bullets.
Don't run into the bullets.
Think about how ridiculous the H5N2 bird flu story is when I tell you, Russell, that in patents that we have identified, The H5N2 bird flu was available for commercial sale.
Listen to what I just said!
Available for commercial sale from EEI Resources, which is a company owned by, are you ready for this?
NIAID.
Who would have seen it coming?
A company It was started by the Rockefeller Foundation, owned by NIAID, a for-profit business that calls itself non-profit because only for research purposes, but they have a catalog, Russell, from which you can buy H5N2.
You can just, kind of like Amazon, just flip through it and go, yeah, I'll have H5N2 please, and then I'll have Ebola over here, and I'll have this modification of something else.
When I actually first said, That H5N2 was actually found in a patent.
And then in the patent it said, purchased from BEI Resources.
And then you go back and you look, who's BEI Resources?
And you read that this is a Rockefeller Foundation started, NIAID owned, commercial venture of selling pathogens I don't know how you feel about the whole pandemic version of this story, but I'm sitting there going, if Walmart got into the business of shipping pathogens, or if Amazon got into the business of shipping monkeypox to your front door, maybe you'd fall for it too.
But I wouldn't fall for it if I actually saw that you could buy it off of a catalog.
That's extraordinary and I suppose it's now increasingly obvious why there are such virulent and potent attempts to control communication and information.
Why the categories of misinformation had to be created because I suppose we're at the point that now everyone watching this live stream, everyone that's watching this on demand, everyone that's watching this cut up and posted on X is now aware That you can go to a kind of pathogen catalogue and order diseases.
So we are now forearmed.
But how is it, I suppose, Dave, that we are able to resist these ongoing attempts to increase censorship, the apparent victories of authoritarian and globalist governments around the world, when it seems that what we're confronted with Might be an urgent matter.
I know you're an optimistic man.
I can tell it from your demeanour, your manner, the way that you communicate.
You're not a pessimist.
You remain... To me, when I talk to you, I always feel there's the possibility of change.
There's a possibility for revolution.
I wonder though...
I wonder, though, how you envisage that unfolding when in every area of life, whether it's the judiciary, whether it's the media, big pharma, the military-industrial complex, we seem to be seeing urgent exacerbation of crisis.
You know, I used the metaphor before, so I won't bore you with it again, but the rhinoceros in the movie 300.
The fact of the matter is, as we get towards the end of any period, and it doesn't matter what the period is, it can be a natural cycle, it can be a manufactured cycle, but when we get to the end of a period, what happens is frenetic behavior becomes the norm, meaning that the reflexes that the organism once used are going to just fire off.
And so what you have is this cacophony of activity, which on the one hand looks like it's very complicated and organized because you have a missile blast at a hospital here, and then you have a bird flu here, and then you have somebody in Mexico falling over, and then you have a shark bite somewhere else, and we just bounce this thing all over the place without pausing for just a moment and saying, oh, that's like an animal that's dying.
When all of a sudden it starts twitching, you know, and you start having these things that appear to be action, but they're not coordinated action.
They have lost the plot.
And bird flu is a beautiful example of this.
We were all supposed to line up for shots for bird flu.
I don't know if you know, but we were supposed to line up a couple weeks ago.
To start getting experimental injections around bird flu, but the fear porn didn't work this time.
If you look at how much money the United States government allocated for bird flu, ironically, it's about 125 or 135 million dollars.
So, so the billions of dollars that was the warp speed number.
versus what they're doing for bird flu is telling you a very important thing, and that is we are prevailing.
That's the message.
We're prevailing.
If we had not done the outspoken work we did during COVID, they would have gone for a billion dollars worth of bird flu shots.
But here's the problem.
The problem is, as Del Bigtree loves to celebrate, others love to celebrate, those of us who kept our ground, During this last attempt, instilled enough uncertainty that now they're uncertain about their own effectiveness.
And that's why I, when I saw the announcement of the bird flu injection program for Moderna, I celebrated.
It's an order of magnitude smaller number.
And these are the, these are the encouraging things.
You have to look at these things and look at them and go, oh my gosh, that's good news, not bad news.
It's great news that it was In the hundreds of millions of dollars range, not in the billions of dollars range.
What does it tell you?
It tells you that they know that there are not going to be enough people falling for this to jeopardize that much capital.
So, I'm actually enthusiastic about it.
That's the weirdest thing to be happy about, but I'm weird and I'm happy about it.
I'm weird about the happiness I have that says a few people And Russell, you know your budget, your magnificent budget that you and your rumble cronies have.
These billions that you spend to promote yourself.
Oh, that's right.
No, you know how much I'm actually spending to promote my massive studio here.
Listen, a few of us prevailed against the forces of darkness.
That's an amazing win.
And that's the reason why I'm so energized, because the facts are That if H5N2 was going to be the world ender that it was forecast to be, that number would have been $12 billion.
And it was $125 million.
What a great win.
And the next one's going to be $12 million and Moderna will be bankrupt.
Here's the point.
The point is, we are already seeing the foundation crumble.
And we're watching as the building looks like there's cracks.
And we're watching, for example, in the United States, we're watching the cracks in the electoral system.
You know, right now, the Democrats can't figure out exactly how to save themselves from themselves.
That's hilarious.
It's fun to watch, because it's fun to see them on the one hand, Dial the dollars as soon as the debate was over and say, well, just an off night.
When you go, oh, no, no, no, no.
This is the same off night, off day, off evening, off morning, off every moment of time that we've seen him in front of a camera.
And God help you when he's not in front of a camera.
I'm sure it's worse because that's probably his best behavior.
What has happened is the cracks are growing.
I look at the elections in Europe.
And I look at the fact that right now we've seen the World Economic Forum sanctioned individuals ascend once again, but that just galvanizes the ability to do what you alluded to, which is there is a better us.
There is a representational us, and it is not reactionary extreme right extremists, and it's not what we saw in Switzerland back 20 years ago.
What this is, is a fat middle of the population, which are decent, hard-working, ethical, moral, good human beings.
They do not have a voice yet, but the hum is beginning.
The hum is beginning, and that's the sweeter song.
This is like Orpheus as he's coming out of hell, right?
It's just, you just get the faint whispers of it, But we know how many there are, and it is at least a third of the world's population that will stand in solidarity to a good, moral, correct, ethical, transparent, humble, powerful voice of the people who say, you know what?
We want a little more tolerance than the extreme right has been willing to offer.
But we want a little more accountability and discipline than the left has been able to offer.
We want to actually have a conversation about the emergent representation of the moral compass that is essentially human.
And that sound is growing, Russell, and I'm so thrilled that all it took was a few voices to keep the tone going during the darkness, and now the chorus is rising.
That's a very beautiful soliloquy of hope there, and some wonderful references.
And it's clear now, even in the retrospect afforded by just a couple of years, that it was an attempt to seize complete control.
And you're right, what would be, had the plan succeeded, an escalation of authoritarianism Exactly as you described with the bird flu measures, precisely as we observed with the failed WHO treaty would have escalated further, but the voices and perhaps more importantly the connection of voices, the sort of symphonic impact of various nodes finding a kind of harmony was able to create sufficient opposition.
I wonder then how much more cultural division we will see around issues that have always been hot-button topics in your country, the subjects that have always been able to rouse people.
I wonder how the deep state will be able to continue to manage media spaces and how a candidate like Bobby Kennedy will be managed Just curtailed, eliminated, silenced, because just in preparation for today's conversation I was watching Bobby Kennedy talking about Remdesivir and Fauci and for how long Anthony Fauci has been involved in sort of epic corruption that's kind of staggering to listen to.
If someone gave us all of that information which I know you were privy to At the point that Fauci was being heralded as the voice of the pandemic response, he in holy triumvirate with Bill Gates and other figures that were less visible but still lauded, that we would have regarded him from the beginning as criminal.
Sometimes I'm Still astonished to hear your admonishing assessments of organisations like the WHO, WEF.
Last time we spoke, you talked to me about the indemnity that they were granted, that they granted themselves at the point of their inception, which is somewhat reminiscent, I suppose, of vaccine manufacturers always having been granted Indemnity.
I wonder what you think will happen because currently our mainstream media spaces are in a cyclone of analysis of Biden's debate performance.
Bobby Kennedy is being, as all independent candidates are, ridiculed.
There is a populist uprising that continues around Trump and what he represents.
He's certainly very popular in some of the spaces we work in.
I wonder how you feel we might see shifts in those spaces.
For example, do you think it's significant that you might now see Jake Tapper openly ridiculing Biden on CNN or Van Jones?
Like the kind of choir choristers of the establishment are now openly criticising establishment figures.
Do you see that as part of the string twitches of the marionettes before some new stooge is ushered in?
And where do you see the potential for Bobby Kennedy to make an impact, and indeed the opposite of that, the potential for him to be controlled?
Well, there's a lot in that, but let's start with the...
Kind of post-debate performance and what's happened.
And I'm glad you brought up Van Jones.
Van Jones and I had the opportunity to interact years ago on a whole other level when we were working with the NFL to try to deal with the financial crimes that were being committed by financial advisors who were stealing vast wealth from NFL players who were financially illiterate.
And that's where I got to meet him.
And here's the thing I will say is, I was not surprised to see Van Jones come out after the debate going, we've got a problem.
And that's because, albeit the apologist he is for the mainstream narrative, he also knows that he has to have his own future.
And it turns out that self-interest does play a role in this.
And self-interest is something where at a certain point in time, your credibility Does in fact matter.
Now, obviously I would suggest that MSNBC has selectively procured individuals for whom they've eliminated that gene.
And I don't know what the mRNA therapy was, but they eliminated the self-aware gene for just sheer stupidity.
But the vast majority of people who are commentators in this particular narrative are starting to realize that they have to live outside of this election cycle.
And as a result, they're starting to pull back from the just full-on apologists that they've been.
But Bobby's an interesting one, and he's interesting in that an enormous amount of the material that he is now coming out with in the last few months was presented to him when he and others were part of our efforts in early 2020 and mid-2020 to bring public awareness to a number of the things that are now news items that he's bringing out.
And I sit back and ask the question, well, I know, for example, when he got the proposal from me, because I sent it to him, I know when he got the proposal to actually take a direct hit on Pfizer.
And I know what his response was then.
And the fact is that there were a number of steps that he could have taken early on to use his voice and his platform to actually mitigate some of the harm that's done.
And when people do the, well, Bobby Kennedy would do this or do that, I sit there going, well, I don't have a theoretical on this one because I have personal experience.
And I know the decisions that were made in expediency.
And I understand, let me be very clear, I understand that every political calculus has to have an expediency component to it.
But I live in a world where right still exists, where the right thing to do Is the right thing to do, and it may cost you a lot, it may cost you everything, and it's still the right thing to do.
And I also know that that's in rare supply in the political arena.
As I was asked by Alex Jones what I thought about the Trump situation, specifically around Operation Warp Speed, I've said many times there's no question in my mind that when he signed the executive order on September 19th, 2019 and you heard the date right that's when the executive order was signed for DNA-based vaccines which I don't know if you remember but during the summer of 2019 we were all suffering from a myriad of
Ailments and maladies and I think rickets and scurvy were running amok among all the sailing class.
I don't know why we needed to have DNA-based vaccines in an executive order on September 19th, 2019, except for the fact that the coup that was going to happen to overthrow the Trump administration from inside was actually putting its teeth into the system and putting its plan in motion.
And, as I said before, I think it would be fabulous for Trump to say, guess what?
Corruption inside of my administration led to a series of events for which I can publicly apologize.
You know what that takes?
That takes a moral compass.
That takes a sense of identity.
That takes a sense of humility and, and, are you ready for this?
Power.
Because you find out that real power comes from Being that self-aware character that says, hey, guess what?
I got misinformation.
I had evil actors that were working behind the scenes to harm me.
And I have the ability to stand up and say, I was duped.
I was wrong.
Whatever.
Come up with something.
And lo and behold, what he'd find is his popularity would rise.
It would rise.
It would rise by virtue of being humble.
But what we have right now in all three candidates, Russell, all three of them, not just Trump, not just Biden, and not just Kennedy, it's important to point out all three of them suffer from exactly the same problem, which is they double down.
when the information comes out that suggests that they could have made a better decision.
And this is a fascinating problem, because the public knows, and by the way, everyone in the public knows, that the cleanest, most appropriate way to address a problem is head-on, at the moment it happens, with candor.
And the public, remarkably, is resilient, remarkably is forgiving, Remarkably is understanding because they themselves have these exact same issues.
And this is the fundamental issue at a character level that we currently have with no possible option in any public arena right now.
Which is, can we find the humility and the power and grace to say, I was mistaken, I am sorry, and I will do better.
You're talking about humility, candour and grace.
And in that line of inquiry, which I know from various sectors will generate resistance based on partisanship and personal affinity and affiliation, you indicated that perhaps Yes, the systems and institutions themselves have been co-opted by a type of psychic force that is immune to the type of morality that you're describing.
This may seem tangential, Dave, but I think you can handle it.
When I was reading about Christianity yesterday, C.S.
Lewis was talking about usury and systems of And he said from a specifically Christian perspective, these things are outlined again and again as wrong.
That's not unique to the Christian faith, it sort of crops up to in Islam and in Judaism.
He said it's extraordinary that this financial system that is again and again condemned in Christianity is the entire basis for our economies of debt. I wonder if you see a kind of
psychic correlative in the strains and strands of energy that appear to dominate systems of power
that could be compared to economic systems themselves that are antithetical to moral
systems of financial governance.
Do you feel that what we create are systems that preclude the potential for true human evolution?
Growth or awakening? Well, so let's unpack the very last statement you made.
Number one, yes, the debt-denominated system, which we have lived with for a long time, is a system that unfortunately celebrates decoupling the human condition and the environmental condition and everything else from the monetary system, because money becomes its own god in the debt-denominated system.
We often mistake These words, we confuse the words credit because we have credit cards, which are in fact debt.
We actually mistake the word credit for debt.
And I spent a lot of time in my blog Inverted Alchemy.
If you ever want to read it, it's geeky and wonderful and it's lovely.
But in Inverted Alchemy, I talk about this.
Credit was a beautiful construct that said that, for example, I'm going to sow 100 seeds of grain and I'm going to harvest a crop.
That's going to each one of those seeds become itself a hundred seeds.
And so credit was what do I deposit today for a future yield that I know about?
And a whole credit system.
The last, by the way, the last bank that was established on this basis was the Dutch bank Rabobank.
It's the last one that was ever established on a credit system.
But credit was about what do I plant today for a harvest tomorrow?
And it worked because we knew what natural growth cycles were.
Debt, unfortunately, a legacy once again of the unholy convergence between life insurance, a essentially Christian phenomenon that was born out of the UK and Scottish and other Presbyterian cultures, but life insurance and debt ironically uncoupled productivity.
Most people don't know that debt and The construct of usury, the acceptance of it, was actually sold on the back of life insurance because life insurance was in fact the church's ability to pay priests little amounts, too little as a matter of fact, so that the widows and orphans of parish priests could actually survive after their parish priest husband died.
That's where the Scottish Presbyterians came up with the idea of life insurance in the first place.
But the debt system And the life insurance system came together after the Civil War in the United States, and our current economic system decoupled itself from productivity.
Now, what happens when that happens is really important, and this gets to the second part of this, which is when you decouple yourself from the natural scale of life, you open yourself up to shame.
Shame is at the heart.
The reason why we are incapable of getting to the transparency and the truth that we would in fact celebrate and love.
And here's the problem.
The problem is when you know you have done something wrong and that wrong might be a large scale social wrong.
Maybe it is the impoverishment of nations like we did with the wealth of nations with Adam Smith.
Maybe it's knowing that the lithium battery that you put into your electronic appliance came at the unconsidered cost of the lithium miner in South
America who's going to die at 37 years of age so that you can have an extended life battery in your cell
phone, right?
Maybe we've got a problem where socially we've anesthetized ourselves to the things that we
should have cared about but because we decoupled our life and our economy from our productivity
and our accountability what we got was a collective shame.
We know we're living wrongly.
We don't.
We know we are.
We don't want to be introduced with, God forbid, evidence that an extended life battery means somebody else's life literally has to end at half of its life expectancy so you can have your extended life battery.
We don't want to have that conversation, Russell, but the fact of the matter is the decoupling of accountability and productivity and natural cycles From our monetary system allows all of us to have the monetary system be the basis for change.
Not surprising.
Not surprisingly.
At the same time we have a pandemic, we start outlawing the use of cash.
Why?
Why?
Because cash isn't essentially democratic.
It's an essentially egalitarian means of engagement.
We push everybody into what?
Indebtedness.
We see record levels of consumer credit.
We see record levels of real estate credit.
We see record levels of these things.
And what we don't do is we don't put the pieces together and say, oh, this was never about an influenza from the Wuhan region of China.
This was about a planned demolition on humanity's ability to self-organize and to operate in democratic and socially acceptable principles.
And that's the reason why, literally, I go into shops and I carry cash.
I do it not because I don't have a credit card.
I do.
But I carry cash because I want to make my social statement that says, guess what?
I'm not playing the game.
I want this dollar that I spent for this particular item to live its own life with some other transaction somewhere else.
And I want to know that I am making The currency, remember the word currency, the flow of energy, I'm going to make the currency work.
These are simple things, Russell, but they're profoundly important.
And by unpacking the association, we can understand that politically, we are allowing the most shame-carrying candidates to be the candidates that rise to the surface.
And what we could do Is we could, once again, and as you said this at the beginning of the show, start by the internal examination.
Do the inner work.
Be accountable for your own activity, your own life, your own responsibility, your own choices, and lo and behold, you then have the prophetic ability to ask for others to be equally accountable.
But we cannot, to borrow from the parable, remove the speck in our brother's eye if we have to take the plank out of our own.
Find our own planks and turn them into benches and deck work and use those planks for good purposes before we start looking outside at what everybody else has wrong.
I'm a huge fan of doing the inner examination so that you have the credibility to have a voice for the outer critique.
That's beautiful, that's a very beautiful way of stitching together or at least demonstrating the connections between the psychic terrain and what it obliviates and forbids and systems primarily economic and how they induce states.
I'd not heard that shame connection demonstrated or illustrated so cleverly before and how something that seems so personal as surely shame must to us all being systemically deployed.
I think it's a very good service you did by explaining that.
Well, think about what you played in your clip.
Right?
If you go back and you listen to the clip, get your booster, get your booster, get your booster.
For what purpose?
It's appealing to shame.
People pretended like this was a social beneficence.
But remember that the shot was only for your hospitalization and your disease severity.
It wasn't to stop anything.
Yeah.
Right?
Australia is losing its mind right now because there's rampant, rampant cases of COVID in the most injected population, probably in most countries around the world.
And lo and behold, they're having these massive outbreaks of COVID.
No one can credibly say, get your shot and take care of your neighbor.
This was selfishness for individual self-interest.
And you heard it in his own voice.
The World Economic Forum would collapse tomorrow.
If we had the right shame conversation.
Because they're only currency.
They're only currency.
I want to talk to you more about that.
I think that's really important and powerful because obviously I've been attacked on a public level using precisely this weapon.
they have on people. If we had the right conversation about shame, the World Economic Forum would
end tomorrow.
I want to talk to you more about that. I think that's really important and powerful because
obviously I've been attacked on a public level using precisely this weapon. It's very interesting.
Exactly.
It's very interesting.
Thank you, Dave.
That was an amazing conversation.
I'm so glad that we have the opportunity to further augment and fortify our connection, our collaboration, and our growing unified mission to, through decentralized power, confront these forces that you have so beautifully researched, understood, and relayed to us as an audience.
Thank you.
It's always an honor, and Russell, I want everybody to come to expect.
Expect the best.
Expect the best from yourself, from us, from these conversations.
Expect to be honored.
Expect to be respected.
Expect to come and be enriched.
So this is not some sort of experience where you kind of get the drive-by adrenaline hit and then you move on.
Expect excellence.
Because if you do, Our quality will only rise.
Amen.
Amen.
Give my love to Kim, please.
And thank you once again for her doing those drawings with my little daughter.
And thank you for that coin for my biggest daughter.
That was a very beautiful occasion when we hung out that day.
Well, I have a whole bag for your daughters so nobody has to choose coins next time.
Haha, excellent.
Thanks, man.
It's lovely to see you, and I'm coming to Milwaukee, actually, next week.
I don't know where you're going to be.
I'm being at the Russian... not Russian.
Certainly the Republican Party is not controlled by Russia.
I'll be at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee.
Great.
Well, I'll be in South Dakota, so I won't be far away.
No, I'll be in Iowa, so I won't be far away.
We may be able to hook up.
We'll be together soon.
So much love to you and gratitude.
Thanks as always, Dave.
Speak again soon.
You bet.
Loads of love to you.
Thank you.
That was Dave Martin.
Thank you very much, everyone, for participating in that conversation.
Remember the conversation we had with Bishop Barron?
That's up there already if you want to check it out.
There's a link in the description if you guys want to come and see me in Milwaukee doing a couple of little shows there, and I'm doing one little show in the UK.
If you want to come and see me, Get the tickets to see me.
I'm in the south of the UK, just outside of London, doing a little show.
Friday!
So, yeah, please come.
You're most welcome.
Thanks for joining us.
Tomorrow, am I allowed to say who the guest is tomorrow?
We've got Candice Owens on tomorrow, but we'll be available first for you Awakened Wonders on Locals for a week.
Friday, is that when we're...?
Okay, yeah, they'll be available for Awakened Wonders on Friday.
Let me know what questions you have for Candice and we'll pass on the ones that are appropriate and polite.
And thanks very much.
It was a good conversation, that, with Dave Martin.
That shame thing he said was very, very important, I think, guys.
There's your tickets.
There's your tickets.
So, love yous, guys.
Take it easy.
See you tomorrow.
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