BREAKING: JULIAN ASSANGE IS FREE, what does it really mean? With Neil Oliver - Stay Free 393
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Do you ever wonder where the joy might be, the glory and the optimism and the reasons to be cheerful and to reconnect with a deeper sense of truth and heaven-forfend even love?
Well hopefully this can be a place.
Sometimes while doing this I've...
Must have lost my own personal connection to joy pretty severely and seriously.
When you operate in this territory long term, I wonder if you feel the same.
You start to lose your sense of optimism.
Man, it requires faith.
It requires radical change.
Yesterday when we were doing the show, There were a few technical problems and challenges and it's very kind of I suppose it's made me confront that I'm often running on a kind of engine of
I don't want to say despair but it sometimes feels pretty close to that.
I feel very grateful today because I'm being joined by a friend of mine who I love communicating with and we've got some pretty interesting subjects to discuss because the almost The inconceivable has happened.
Julian Assange has been freed and I want to kind of understand that and it's going to take me a while to unpack it.
So I'm pretty grateful to be doing all of that with my friend.
You might know him as the Coast Guy or perhaps you've seen him in his recent interview with Tucker Carlson, but his actual name is Neil Oliver and he happens to be a Scottish person.
He's here now.
Hello, Neil.
How are you, mate?
Good to see you again.
I am well and I'm listening to what you're saying about despair and we can talk about that amongst many other things.
Well you think so?
You think we can actually get into despair together?
No, because what I was going to say just quickly was I think part of my awakening, my process of self-realisation that's been triggered over the last few years, I have, amongst other things, accepted that being sold the notion of being happy all the time is not actually helpful.
I have become accommodating to a full range of feelings that I go through, sometimes From morning through to the evening I can go from a high to a low, from a low to a high.
Sometimes that is spread out over a week.
I have a good Monday and a Tuesday and I'm despairing by the Thursday or the Friday or whatever.
But I think it's right and proper.
I think actually I've become more ready to engage with and get from Get some things out of all of the feelings, all of the emotions.
Thanks Neil.
I'm not craving happiness.
Don't crave anything baby.
There's a lot of people in the chat saying they can hardly hear Neil.
I can hear Neil perfectly in my studio, so perhaps it's something to do with the stream.
So maybe if whatever Neil's levels are on the stream I reckon is the important thing.
Can't hear Neil, can't hear Neil, can't hear Neil, Neil turn your mic up.
So, while you guys in the gallery lift up Neil's audio on the stream, as distinct from his audio as it plays in here, Neil, do you mind if I do what I'm going to call a take on Julian Assange's release, which will take about seven minutes.
We'll come back then, you and I will discuss it.
And then we'll get into subjects like war, the rise of Farage, the rise of populism more broadly.
Who is the real opposition now?
So guys in the studio, if you can turn Neil off my monitor, I'm going to just do this Julian Assange stuff and we'll be away.
Thanks guys.
Right, Bear, lay down.
You're doing that in and out.
So listen, Julian Assange has been released.
In a way, this seems epochal and extraordinary, and many people will see it as a victory.
Indeed, on a human level, on a personal level, it is a victory.
He's united with Stella, his wife, and his children.
Once more that's extraordinary to see this the images of Julian Assange getting on a jet and like looking at his face and wondering what he must be feeling is kind of exciting and inspiring.
It's curious that he has had to plead guilty in a bargain with the United States to the crime of espionage making him the first journalist to be Successfully prosecuted with that.
I think that's a fact of the map.
There'll be more details after he reaches a Pacific island where there will be a trial and presumably it seems a sentencing equivalent to the time he spent in Belmarsh without one.
You might be wondering...
Why Julian Assange is guilty of espionage.
You might be wondering why Julian Assange is guilty of anything.
This is what Julian Assange is guilty of.
People will say stuff like, Julian Assange is guilty of putting American troops and service personnel in danger.
That's the kind of thing people will say.
But this is what Julian Assange is actually guilty of.
Pay attention to this and think for a moment, I wonder when it was that Julian Assange was saying this.
I'm not sure, but it's probably like 10 years ago 'cause he weren't in the Ecuadorian embassy
when he was saying it, and he weren't in Belmarsh when he was saying it,
and it's about seven years accumulatively that he's been in one of those places,
maybe even a little longer.
Now, we live in a space now where perhaps all of us that occupy these spaces are, in a sense, the progeny of the likes of those early outliers in those spaces.
And you might say, you choose a hero.
Maybe you were really into the David Icke perspective.
Maybe you love Naomi Chomsky, Naomi Chomsky, Noam Chomsky, or Naomi Klein.
Maybe you were really into Alex Jones, 30 years deep.
Or maybe you are a fan of Julian Assange and what he has done and what he's subsequently been accused of.
Look at Julian Assange now.
Have a look at this clip of Julian Assange.
This is the Julian Assange that they jailed.
Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.
The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States, out of the tax bases of European countries, through Afghanistan, and back into the hands of a transnational security alliance.
That is the goal, i.e.
the goal is to have an endless war, not a successful war.
Gaz Fazz in the rumble chat.
I hope that plane they flew him out on wasn't a Boeing.
Fingers crossed for Julian.
Let's hope it was an Airbus of some description.
Now what Julian Assange describes in that clip is something that we all well now understand.
Oh, there are provocations and causes for international wars that drain the coffers of independent sovereign nations.
Taxpayers fund these wars.
It seems that the money loops around somehow ends up in the hands of the military-industrial complex.
Do you imagine that there are similarities between the Afghanistan conflict and the Ukraine-Russia conflict and what's happening across the Middle East right now?
Let me know in the comments and the chat.
As well as declaring publicly, as well as providing evidence, thanks to the bravery of Chelsea Manning, that The American military in particular were behaving corruptly and, let's call it what it was, illegally.
He also said stuff like this.
This is another defining Julian Assange statement.
"What's the difference between Mark Zuckerberg and me?"
says Assange.
"I give private information on corporations to you for free and I'm a villain.
Zuckerberg gives your private information to corporations for money and he's man of the year."
Julian Assange is free for now and across the internet you can see numerous people posting how excited they are, how pleased they are, and yet what an injustice It remains.
Although there is a curious post from Mike Pence.
Now, have a look at this.
Julian Assange endangered the lives of our troops in a time of war
and should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
The Biden administration's plea deal with Assange is a miscarriage of justice
and dishonours the service and sacrifice of the men and women of our armed forces and their families.
There should be no plea deals to avoid prison for anyone that endangers the security of our
military or even the national security of the United States, ever.
What's extraordinary about this primarily is that is the perspective that prevails.
That is the idea that's led to Julian Assange being prosecuted successfully under the Espionage Act and having been incarcerated without trial for the last seven years.
Mike Pence's tone-deaf, out-of-tune madness, which you could unpack in myriad ways.
You could say, for example, well, isn't it pretty extraordinary that 22 American service personnel Take their own lives every single day?
Is that an indication that perhaps there are other ways we could honour and support the troops?
There are military families and military veterans watching this right now.
You know how you feel about your government.
You know how you feel about the United States and its relationship with large corporations and its plainly globalist agenda.
And you know whose side Julian Assange was on, and it's your side.
And that's the reason Julian Assange was incarcerated in the way that he was.
What's astonishing about Mike Pence's remarks is, even though to you, and to me, and surely to any right-thinking person, they would seem like the rantings of a lunatic, they are in effect the impriture and imprint of the mind of the establishment, and they are not theoretical.
That's how Assange was treated, and is using that mentality that people can perpetuate those ideas.
You can't speak out against the nation!
Why?
The average service personnel member would be put into all sorts of jeopardy.
How long will we allow them to divide us on that basis?
I would say not for a lot longer.
And that's thanks primarily to heroes like Julian Assange.
There are others, but Julian Assange today in particular we should celebrate.
Well, that's just what I think.
Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
And if you're watching this on YouTube right now, we're going to give you five minutes with our fantastic guest, with our dear, dear friend, with Tucker Carlson's, one of Tucker Carlson's recent, I'm going to say fetish.
Doesn't seem like the right word, really, unless you think of fetish in a religious sense.
You awakened wonders on locals.
We'll stay, and you'll be able to put your questions to both me and Neil directly.
We'll stay for 15 minutes, but first, let's have a wonderful conversation.
Let's talk about Assange.
Let's talk about war.
Let's talk about the freedom movement that is international, that's expressing itself in a number of extraordinary ways with the rise of, let's be honest, a lot of right-wing parties and politicians.
I wonder where this is going to go, and I would Rather hear the opinion of no one more than that of Coast Guy, that's how you can follow him on X, Neil Oliver.
Neil, welcome in earnest to the show.
Thank you very much, Russell.
Great to hear you.
Great to hear your thoughts on Julian Assange.
Thank you for sitting there, because when I do radio, or in the old days of promo, if I was promoting a movie or something, if I'd go on a radio show, and they'd go, OK, we'll be getting to you in a minute, and then I'd have to listen to the radio show.
I thought, I hate this.
I hate this, and I'm offended by it.
Come directly to me now.
I'll hang up.
I'll hang up.
Thank you for being so kind.
What do you feel we can learn, not only from the imprisonment of Assange, which I'm sure you and I are in alignment on, but why is he being released now?
Do you think it's connected to the November elections in the United States?
And do you think that it's connected even to the forthcoming debates?
Well I think it's hard to imagine that it wasn't done with some kind of political expediency.
I'm sure it is to do with the fact that we're in the run down to elections in November and everyone involved is trying to appeal to their base and to develop an idea in the public mind of the kind of people that they are, Joe Biden.
I'm sure that they have to get this prosecution because otherwise I can imagine there might be the possibility of appeals and demands for compensation for all that wrongful imprisonment without trial but I suppose if they get Julian Assange to plead guilty to something that lets them I mean, more than anything else, Trudy, my wife and I were talking about it this morning, you know, that it's 15 years that this has been going on for him.
This detention of one form or another.
My youngest child is 16 now.
I must have been about 42 when Julian Assange began this unbelievable odyssey of detention.
To lose that much of your life You know, when I think that I've watched my little boy, my youngest, grow up from he first appeared to now he's in fifth year in high school, and Julian Assange has spent all of that time either in the embassy or in Belmarsh, it's just unthinkable.
As a fellow human being, Almost regardless of what he was accused of, I just find that an unthinkable prospect, you know, because you can't get that back.
You don't get those years back.
It has all of the implications that everyone has talked about for the longest time, about what it means for freedom of speech, the idea that a publisher, because he didn't hack that information, he was provided with information and he then published it, which is what publishers do.
The fact that he was singled out when a lot of the same content was published by other organs and other outlets and nothing happened to them, the whole weight of the attack against the publication of that material fell on the shoulders of one man.
Everything about it just absolutely reeks of injustice.
It reeks of threat to freedom of speech.
It raises all sorts of questions about democracy.
All of these things.
But again, basically, I just think about if I had missed the last 15 years of my life being stuck in one box or another, I don't know how you retain your sanity and how you get beyond it.
We do spend our lives moving from box to box, vehicle to room, incarcerated in many tangential and perhaps abstract ways, which are certainly preferable to the very real ways that Julian Assange was incarcerated in Belmarsh.
One of the aspects of this matter that intrigues me is the way that Julian Assange went from kind of darling of the legacy media, backed by the Guardian, New York Times, The Spiegel, all those things, like he was a kind of princeling, a radical.
I remember prior, in particular to the accusations of sexual assault that mysteriously emerged, that he was seen as a kind of, you know, an icon broadly speaking of, if not the left, but I would say the left, The anti-establishment figure.
Politics has changed so much in that time.
He's again one of those figures that you can use to track the way that the culture more broadly has changed.
Assange was abandoned by the left.
He was abandoned by the legacy media.
I'm not saying everyone on the left.
I know that, for example, someone like Jeremy Corbyn has always been very outspoken and supportive of Assange.
So that's too much for generalization.
But What do you think it tells us that all of those legacy media outlets turned their back on Assange?
Was that a pivotal moment?
Was that one of the moments when the legacy media was once more resolutely co-opting Chided by the establishment.
Chided and cowed by the power of the establishment.
I think some of us will recall, I think MI5 went into the Guardian offices with jigsaws and axe grinders and just, you know, terrified the legacy media.
So is Julian Assange a pivotal figure in the breakdown of the kind of journalism that him and Greenwald at that time, and who was similarly a darling of the left, Was it a pivotal moment, not just for him, not just for justice, not just for war reporting, but somehow for our whole culture, Neil?
I think it revealed a reality that was there for a long time, but that had been convenient or it had been possible or it had been expedient to keep it out of sight.
And then the time came, I think, when those days were over.
I'd also mention George Galloway was a trenchant supporter of Julian Assange right from the very beginning.
As you say, there were various voices, not enough, and I can't claim it.
I was inexcusably oblivious to a lot of it for the longest time, but there were voices out there who were doing the right thing.
But I think what was exposed, I genuinely think what was exposed We are, and for an unknown, unspecified period, we've been in the grip of a crime syndicate, or competing crime syndicates.
And when it finally suited, when those entities, when those syndicates were confident enough that they could just ride roughshod, then they did.
And the way in which Julian Assange was made a scapegoat and that he was targeted and the way that he was bullied and vilified, I think it demonstrated a way in which those crime syndicates had decided that, you know, we don't really need to pretend to be subject to democracy here.
We don't really need to pretend anymore that we will defend freedom and we'll defend freedom of speech.
I think to some extent it was an indication that those entities had decided, you know, I think we can go in hard.
I think that the time might be coming when we'll show the people that if we need to get something done, we'll just do it.
and we will ride roughshod over notions of justice and fair trial and all of the rest of it.
And I think Julian Assange was just incredibly unlucky in that respect in that he happened to be
the right person in the right place and he suited an objective which was for those
criminal syndicates to just start throwing their weight around and say
There's a new sheriff in town and it's our way or the highway.
I think you're right in a number of ways, also significantly in the way that various figures, symbols and ideas appear to line up appropriately as tectonic plates shift.
As the technology became available for publishing to reach the level it did, firstly, it favoured journalism and the type of journalism that may, as far as I know, have once emerged from institutions like the New York Times et al.
But now that kind of integrity has migrated elsewhere and Julian Assange was the sort of pivotal cartilage figure that connected those two worlds.
I think they were also, he crystallised a moment for everyone.
By what he was doing, because I've wondered for a long time if the long-term consequences of the internet were foreseen.
You know, back in the 60s and 70s, when between MIT and DARPA, the whole thing was set in motion.
I do wonder at the extent to which the unintended consequences were foreseen.
And I think by the time of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, it had become apparent to those Those crime syndicates that actually we thought that the internet was just going to be something that would serve us, that would enable us to harvest all the data, harvest all the information about people, you know, work towards 24 hour a day surveillance of people, know more about them than they knew about themselves, be able to get more information than previous iterations of the CIA and the FBI and anybody else might have ever dreamt of gathering about the general population.
But then I think it was unforeseen That there was another, that there was a flip side to the internet which favoured the likes of us.
And Julian Assange was one of the, and WikiLeaks, they were one of the first people to make plain the way in which the internet could be used against them.
Yes.
That it could be turned back on them.
And very quickly, I think it was realised, do you know what, we have got to get a grip on this and we will make a point with this guy.
This is why at the beginning I mentioned the sort of that bizarre holy trinity of Alex Jones, David Icke and Assange and various other figures of course.
Chomsky, the people that were able to articulate, you know, quite lucid and sometimes occultist but certainly anti-establishment ideas suddenly had the capacity to aggregate enormous Now you mentioned the possibility that even at its advent in the 1960s there may have been those that were able to foretell the ultimate use of the internet in the way that C.C.S.
Lewis postulates that even at the Garden of Eden that our Lord foresaw the flies around the cross and the flagellated back And yet came anyway, atemporal, aspatial, outside of time and space, all things unfolding simultaneously without intersubjectivity.
There can be no chronology.
Extraordinary notions for us to unpack and indeed we shall unpack them because you've also spoken about crime syndicates and perhaps you and I shared a kind of public awakening, might we say, during the
pandemic period.
And perhaps one of the dons of the crime syndicate that came to prominence during the COVID period
was Anthony Fauci. I'm going to show you a clip of Anthony Fauci in a moment and his
fears about the next pandemic. Next pandemic, Anthony!
I'm still dealing with the last one!
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Neil, let's have a look at Anthony Fauci.
He's worried about you, he's worried about me, he's worried about everyone.
Fauci just wants us all to... It's Asset32, guys, if you can flip the page for me, mate, and then I'll be able to fire in dear Anthony Fauci to show Neil on my stream deck, if that's okay.
Thank you very much.
So, here we go.
Have a little look at this.
This is Anthony Fauci.
He's concerned.
Neil, as you and I watch this together, when you feel ready to react, or I feel ready to react, it's just like it's a game show, actually.
Like, we'll pit that buzzer and we'll comment on Fauci's activity.
Remember, if you're not on Awaken Wonder yet, if you're watching this in the stream like Flowerpower678 or Strongass or Froggy croaked.
Me and Neil are going to do an extra Q&A over on Locals with the likes of Astrid Tuch and Kellyanne Katz and Oinka Space and Surcharge.
So much to talk about, baby.
But let's start off with, well, whether you're suffering from HIV or a bit of a cough, Anthony Fauci has helped you along the way with his brilliant interventions in the last 50 years or so.
Here he is.
He's very concerned about the next pandemic.
I'm joined live by Neil Oliver.
So with this much of disinformation and anger and just flat-out vaccine hesitancy, how nervous are you about our ability to handle the next pandemic, whatever it might be?
I'm very concerned about that because the misinformation and disinformation about absolutely scientifically proven life-saving interventions It's astonishing to me that so many people by political ideology will make a decision that will actually endanger their lives.
I mean the facts are, and as a physician and a scientist this is very painful to me, that if you look at red states versus blue states, Because of people getting less vaccinated because you're a Republican versus a Democrat, there are more deaths and hospitalizations in red states versus blue states.
That's horrible that that happens, that people suffer and die because of misinformation that's related to a political ideology.
Before we watch this clip you spoke at length about criminal syndicates and Anthony Fauci has an extraordinary history and an extraordinary set of relationships through the NIH with various pharmaceutical companies.
Now you just saw him state very confidently once more that he's a doctor and he's a scientist and he claims that data suggests that Republicans and Conservatives are dying at a higher rate than Liberals precisely because they won't listen to Antony Fauci.
What's your first thoughts on that, Neil?
Well, he belongs in jail.
He speaks unmitigated nonsense.
Everything he said, everything he said during the so-called Covid, so-called pandemic was lies, followed by lies, followed by lies.
It crystallised into the whole safe and effective and everything about it, threatening people or promising people that if they took these products that they would stop the virus in its tracks and that it was imperative that people take these things to look after their loved ones and to look after their communities.
It was all nonsense.
It was all lies.
And then when we've learned over the last few years about Antony Fauci, the real Antony Fauci in the book and All of the things, the man's track record ought surely to be enough to take him out of public life forever, if not out of society forever and see the man incarcerated.
But I cannot believe that people would continue to listen to him.
At what point, how many lies do you have to listen to from an authority figure before you decide that you just won't listen to them anymore?
It's interesting that you mention Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, which I read pretty near to, I suppose, its publication.
It's a dense book with extensive footnotes And even reading it with the evident and obvious rigor, I still felt like this cannot be true.
It can't be true that the vaccine industry is sort of funded by the various defense interests of the people that organize Operation Warp Speed.
sort of like two-thirds of them were military personnel, that it can't even really be called
a vaccine because it's primarily a gene therapy, and then you start to unpack that the patents
were registered a significant time before, that they were waiting for an event like this.
In a way, it's almost, it's always a risk to compare anybody to Hitler, and I'm certainly
not comparing Antony Fauci to Hitler, but in fact it was Goebbels, I think, that said
the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it, and it just seems that the scale of the
pandemic Was so obviously extraordinary, as large as it possibly could have been by nature of the word.
And that we're unable to grant that period the reckoning it deserves, Neil.
Perhaps precisely because to assess the degree of ineptitude, the degree of corruption, the censorship of true information.
The bold and brazen attempts to use it to legitimize surveillance, the digital ID, to use it obviously as a kind of harbinger of new models of control, whether that's around digital currencies or 15-minute cities.
It's sort of such a vast nebulae of nefariousness, Neil, that we almost can't deal with it.
We can't.
And it's the fact that there is this sustained attempt at the moment to get beyond it.
So many of the perpetrators of everything that happened want to step straight into the forgive and forget period without pausing to admit the wrongs.
I don't really buy the ineptitude.
I suppose there was ineptitude lowered down in the food chain by people who had not been fully informed and didn't know what they were doing necessarily, although ignorance is no defence.
But I think there was malevolence in play and I think that what we're going to see now, I genuinely feel that what we're going to see now is the playing out of the biggest experiment that's been carried out so far on the human species.
And it will take years for the full effects to cascade down until we see what was actually done to people.
You know, there's plenty of viable, believable, credible research out there that's saying that you're already looking at tens of millions of people killed by these gene therapies and uncountable numbers more who have been damaged by them.
And yet even given that, all of the people that were in place and insisted upon the rollout of those products, all of the people who stood in defiance of the mounting evidence, all of the people that to this day refuse to countenance serious debate and a reckoning of the excess deaths and the vaccine harms, the so-called vaccine harms, and yet We're confronted with this absolutely Kafkaesque, surreal situation where all of the guilty parties are standing for re-election now, without any of them even mentioning the harm
That they were that they were party to during the last three, four years.
It's as though it never happened.
It's absolutely beyond my comprehension that all of the usual suspects are up there suggesting that we that we hand them another that some of them another four years of power or that we hand some of them four years of power when they when they were part of when they were part of the harm when they did it.
And they haven't even paused to hold their hands up and say, yes, that was us, that was our fault.
Yes, in, for example, our country, the United Kingdom, the idea that the solution to the problems of the last four or twelve, or however you want to look at it, but, you know, let's stay perhaps with the theme of a reckoning around the pandemic, that this can be absolved or even improved with the Implementation of a Keir Starmer administration, which many are calling Starmageddon, perhaps because he's a centralist, authoritarian, I base that assertion on his conduct when head of the Crown Prosecution Service, that's like being an Attorney General in the United States,
Where he opened the courts 24 hours a day to imprison rioters across the UK abandoning their right to anonymity and that of course he had meetings while Jeremy Corbyn was still head of the Labour Party with the CIA and then he seems to be being groomed forgive the word in much Much the same way that Blair was by a billionaire class and media magnates and that he's also declared publicly that he prefers Davos.
Is it any wonder that figures like Nigel Farage are garnering such incredible support with a bloke-ish affability and what looks like a degree of perspigacity on matters around war and immigration?
Before we jump into that particular subject, I wonder what you feel about the limitations of any A bi-partisan or bi-party democratic model that most people would see as a kind of a uni-party glom when it comes to dealing with the kind of problems that have been exposed in the last few years.
Well, the idea, I mean, yes, I mean, I suppose I describe Stalin as, I hear myself, you know, talking about him in terms of being authoritarian or whatever, but then I remind myself that as far as I'm concerned, the reality is that he is just a mouthpiece.
I don't believe he has any practical power or decision-making options of his own.
And I would say the same about Rishi Sunak and any of the front bench of the ruling Conservative Party.
These people don't.
They're just puppets.
They are just sock puppets with somebody else's hand up inside them, moving their lips so that the relevant words can come out.
So, in many respects, these people are not even the problem.
They're just factotums.
They're just avatars for people whose names we don't know and whose faces we have never seen.
It's almost pointless.
It's part of the distraction game that we're invited to have these strong feelings.
And I have them as well, about Zakir Starmer and Rishi Sunak and the rest of them.
But they're meaningless manifestations.
They are just there for us.
They're Aunt Sally's for people to throw coconuts at.
They don't mean anything.
They don't mean anything.
And I think, although I'll probably vote, but if I do, then I will simply seek an independent voice.
I will simply look for a name on the ballot sheet that isn't affiliated to a party and I'll put my cross against a name like that.
That would be the most that I would do.
But I'll never vote for any of the... I believe the party system, which crystallised into being in this country, I don't know, 150, 200 years ago, is the root of all evil.
Because the factotums, they just represent their own careers, and they represent the party, and they don't represent the electorate, and they don't represent their constituencies.
I could go on.
The sense of futility that I feel Around the electoral process that we have at the moment, I struggle to find adjectives strong enough to define how I feel.
Well, I'm astonished that you struggle to find any words at all, Neil.
You always seem to have a few to hand and it's delightful really to feel that we have such a beautiful shared territory to explore and enjoy together, whether that's our delight in Villifying, but perhaps not sufficiently, a figure like Anthony Fauci who perhaps epitomizes the peculiar relationships between corporations and the state, who demonstrates the dangers of globalism, who also can be an interesting indicator of the dangers of
Falling blithely and blindly into the hero worship of an establishment-appointed idol, as so many did during that giddy period, and plainly from his appearance on MSNBC mourning Joe there, there are a significant constituency that are still willing to bow that altar.
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Now, before that, Neil, we were talking somewhat about your dismay and despair at the sort of mandarins and marionettes that collectively run our world.
And before we move on to approaching Armageddon, I wondered if you wanted to finish your point, sir.
Yeah, I feel as if I can offer a certain degree of encouragement and reassurance to many people who are as rattled as I am by the last few years.
I have only come to this in the last, you know, three, four years.
I spent my life, I spent 53 years at least, believing, or if not believing, vaguely turning a blind eye to so much of what was going on.
I've voted for all of these people in the past.
I have voted Conservative.
I have voted Labour.
I have voted Liberal.
I did vote Green, I think at least once.
I've never voted SNP.
I have been carried along by some or other nonsense that was being spouted by some or other of these factotums over the years.
This period that I'm in now, this awakened, wondering, I'm as guilty as the next person.
I bought it.
I believed it.
I had the hook in my face for all the years and thought that, broadly speaking, these people, whether they were red or blue or yellow or green or whatever colour their t-shirts were, that they were essentially benign and that they would ultimately, at the end of the day, have my family's best interests at heart.
You know, so I haven't been, I wasn't a protester, I wasn't outspoken, I wasn't a contrarian.
I've come to this relatively recently so, you know, for anybody else out there that's finding it hard to admit to themselves that they've, you know, they've woken up someday and thought that the world had shifted on its axis or the tectonic plates had moved under them, you know, let's hold our, let's hold hands, let's link arms and walk into this uncertain future together because I'm there too.
You certainly won't find any of those doubtful Prevaricaine types on Rumble.
All they're saying on the chat is, More!
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Like, on this lot, like, almost every single one, I don't know what we would have to do to not be accused of being controlled opposition.
I mean, oh my god!
Oh yeah!
Yeah, oh god, yeah.
Yeah, that's one of my favourite topics.
I would have thought if I was controlled opposition that I wouldn't have a mortgage to choke a horse and I'd have a car that wasn't 16 years old with the sign falling off the back of it.
But apparently no, apparently you're still controlled opposition when you're fighting to keep your head above water.
So yeah, that's been a revelation for me as well.
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All these guys seem like they're trying their best.
The pharmaceutical industry seems to be working well, incentivizing people to keep people ill.
And what about that big food that sickens you with cancer and diabetes and heart conditions?
That all seems pretty fantastic and the pandemic was a glorious Have you not been astonished to see how a template that appears to have been in place for a good many years, i.e.
let's find some sort of apparently humanitarian reason to attack Iraq Iran, Libya, Afghanistan.
Are you astonished that when this was applied to Russia that many people, just a casual observer, might say you're not going to be able to use that playbook on Russia.
They're a nuclear superpower with their own unique history, with their own sets of relationships, their own international diplomacy, their own Pretty potent and perhaps even bellicose leader.
To see that conflict escalate in precisely the way you might anticipate and even just to perhaps reflect in real time on the transgressions that have taken place that we were assured never would.
Biden for example saying there would never be American military equipment deployed on Russian territory or weaponry used or being told You know, 14 years ago by Condoleezza Rice, but there had to be a way found to stop the Nord Stream Pipeline project, which, you know, obviously happened at the early part of this war.
How do you see this war continuing to escalate?
Are you staggered that when there was a peace deal on the table, our very own Boris Johnson, presumably at the behest of Biden, went over to scupper it?
And why do you think that legacy media outlets like the BBC in our country, MSNBC, CNN and all of those in the United States don't cover obvious things like Ukraine doesn't have elections anymore, conscription is extremely unpopular there, people are dying across that region, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives are being lost in a war that cannot be won, and a war that seems to be significantly supported by the kind of globalist corporate interests that at the beginning of the pandemic Should have caused us to go, what?
Pfizer are the goodies now?
When you see Zelensky making pleas at the Golden Globes to global giants like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and BlackRock, when there's plainly an endeavour to rebuild Ukraine in any post-war scenario, when it's obvious that that war, to a degree, Was caused by NATO impinging on former Soviet territories.
Are you surprised that there is still a willingness in the legacy media to push the idea that this is a one-way story and it's a story about Putin's imperialism and transgressions?
Well, I mean, as the one and only Gerald Salenti says, when all else fails, they'll take you to war.
That's the one.
When they run out of all the other ideas, when the baddies run out of all the other ideas, they take their nations to war.
And the entities that might be struggling crawl in thin and they crawl out fat, you know, bloated on the profits that are to be made by, you know, always to be made by the same entities and the same people on account of war.
And plainly, my wife and I talked at the time that when Covid ran out of steam, was blatantly running out of steam, suddenly we were all terribly excited about war in Ukraine.
Which cleared the decks for a lot of people.
That fragile coalition of people, and I was among them, that had come together to ask what seemed to be increasingly relevant questions about corruption and all of the rest of it and all of the lying around Covid.
When Zelensky emerged and when the tanks rolled across the border in 2022, suddenly so many people just snapped back into place.
You ask about the mainstream media, It's become completely apparent, blatant, that the mainstream media, the titles like the Telegraph, like the Daily Mail, like the Guardian, whatever, like the New York Times, like the Washington Post and all of the rest of them, they just print what they're told to print.
There's no journalism left.
And I don't know when that happened.
I don't know.
I honestly don't know when journalists in the mainstream stopped being journalists and just stopped being propagandists, rewriting press releases from wherever they were getting the information about the various narratives from.
And I spoke to Jimmy Dore.
I had Jimmy Dore on my show a few weeks back and he expressed it very well that we were invited to join the war in Ukraine in the third act.
The people were only invited to get excited about it because Putin launched his military operation and the military vehicle started crossing the border into Ukraine.
People were invited to think that the whole thing had gone from a standing start.
But it was the third act, it was the third reel of the movie and there was a whole hour and a half of movie before that point.
That people just blithely ignored, and that the mainstream media just blithely ignored.
And yet, as you say, you can go back even further, never mind the third act, the NATO creep towards Russia since the end of the Cold War, a thousand miles of territory had just disappeared between the West and Russia.
And yet people were surprised when finally You know, when finally it came to blows, how will it escalate?
I've been listening to incredibly mature voices like Lieutenant Colonel McGregor, you know, the US retired colonel, sometime White House advisor.
And when he speaks, it's like listening to a grown-up.
I find that when he talks about the realities, he's been saying for ages that the war is over in Ukraine.
Ukraine has been defeated.
Russia is victorious.
That people were prepared, as you say, to be bellicose towards Russia did surprise me.
People like Rishi Sunak and Grant Shapps here in the UK and others on the other side of the Atlantic making fighting talk towards Russia.
I always think, and in this context especially, that Russia looked hard.
It looked serious.
By the time vehicles started crossing the border into Ukraine, they had already tooled up.
They were on a war footing.
And by now, two years in, they are seriously on a war footing.
They've been at war, in the business of war, fighting a land war in Europe for two years.
And the people in Westminster, it's cringe making that they're talking about confronting Russia
on the ground.
As though anyone believes that that is possible.
For me, it just beggars belief.
I don't believe, people say, "Oh, well, it will go nuclear."
Yeah, I suppose hypothetically it could, but I really don't think so,
because I think the people, the puppet masters, the people are actually telling our factotums what to say,
that are actually pulling the strings.
They don't want their holidays ruined.
They don't want their cars scratched, their windows broken by thermonuclear war.
I don't believe that that is a realistic threat, but what I do believe is realistic is an ever-increasing escalation of, you know, kinetic war involving, well, conventional weapons.
You know, the thing that just happened in, you know, Crimea, the US attack on, you know, killing people on a beach in Crimea.
All of those things are going to keep going.
The meat grinder is going to keep turning.
Young Ukrainians, young Russians are going to keep on getting cycled through that meat grinder.
And I can quite well believe that in the fullness of time, it'll occur to somebody that there ought to be a full-scale draft in the US, a full-scale draft in Europe, a draft in the UK.
And, you know, if this goes on much longer, the other young people of other nationalities will end up being Pushed through the meat grinder as well.
I think conscription has been discussed in Sweden, in the United Kingdom, in Australia and in the United States.
A bill has just been pushed through to make conscription by default part of a process of registration.
So certainly... To bring it closer, yeah.
Those kind of moves are taking place and what you're describing is obviously quite literally Orwellian in the sense, mate, that The forever wars are the necessary and sustained climax of ongoing tyranny.
It's always interesting to see this play out in late post-capitalist states, I suppose, rather than the presumed centralist, socialist depictions of 84, but What we do have is a kind, if you sort of somehow are able to hybridize Julian Assange saying the aim is not to win wars, it's to sustain wars.
Economically that makes sense, and from the perspective of social control that makes sense.
And what I find alarming, Neil, is that in the pandemic period we learned that enough interests converged, as George Carlin would say, to mean that conspiracy was not necessary.
The state was able to regulate Big Pharma was able to profit, Big Tech was able to surveil and censor, and ideas that would have been inconceivable were able to advance, and if indeed the type of war that you're describing becomes advantageous to the same sets of interest, it's quite likely that we'll see that there too.
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Neil, you are about to, I feel like, solve this issue once and for all.
Only in as much as you mentioned Orwell, and Orwell's name comes up a lot, obviously, at the moment.
In 1984, you know, the people of the three continents, East Asia, Eurasia and Oceania, were always being told that they were at war with somebody and they were allied with the other.
And so if Oceania was at war with East Asia, then the people were invited to think they had always been at war with East Asia.
And the doublethink came in because a lot of them could remember a time when East Asia had been their allies.
But although they simultaneously knew that, they would not allow themselves to think it and they certainly wouldn't remember it because that had been a memory hold.
And that was made real for me in that event in the Canadian Parliament when the SS Veteran Nazi was given a standing ovation and he was introduced to the Canadian Parliament for his standing ovation on the grounds that he had fought Russia during World War Two.
Hang on.
Canada, like the rest of us, we were allied with Russia, you know, for most of World War Two.
And yet it seems to be 1984 happening in 2024.
They seem to be nudging the idea that if Russia are the enemy now, then it's then it's due to reason that they must always have been the enemy.
Even though people with any kind of interest in history, far less a memory of actual events, knew that, hang on, we were allied with Russia.
We didn't used to hate Russia.
We used to be their allies.
And so that was all.
It was just that idea.
When you say Orwellian, that's not hyperbole.
What happened there in that Canadian Parliament was Orwellian in point of fact.
Because it seems we have lost our actual connection to virtue, because of the despair and nihilism that is all-pervasive, because we're invited only to seek pleasure at the level of the individual and have rather lost our connection to joy, because we live in a de facto materialistic culture that tells us that there are no deeper Fruits to be enjoyed, that you are on your way through the molecular billiard game into nothing, back to the nothing from which you came.
You can move these pieces around on the chessboard, you know, oh yeah we're funding Nazis over here in this war, we're supportive of a Nazi here, that we overcome the kind of what would have once pre-poststructuralism been regarded as universal ideas like We're all human beings.
Whilst there has always been conflict, there's never been conflict at this scale or potential for conflict that's potentially this destructive.
We've never been invited to abandon ideas like free speech.
We've never been invited To pretend that what's happening in Ukraine, whether it's regard to the conscription, or the support of the Azov battalion, or the abandonment of elections in that country, or the persecution of journalists over there, all because what we are supposed to focus on is the humanitarian defense of Ukrainian people, which of course remains a significant thing, but once you start contemplating that, you have to think, well, what's happening to Russian people over there in that war?
All the hell's going on In the Middle East, what are we going to do about this endless, this unending devastation that we are funding and not addressing and pretending that there are not recourse to higher ideas, that the might of these various alliances that appear to be benefiting from these various conflicts and could be deployed to ensure that diplomacy was at least considered and hopefully enacted.
I honestly think, you know, you mentioned, you've used the word despair a couple of times this evening, and I honestly am aware, in a way that encourages me right down at the fundamental basal level, that so many people are tuning into, awakening to, taking cognizance of The Eternal Verities again.
So many people are talking to me about having rediscovered, or indeed having discovered for the first time, faith.
People are talking to me about this all being in terms of a fight between good and evil, light and dark, right and wrong.
That people are, I think, turning away Because it feels as if what's happening at the moment is juddering to some kind of halt.
The machines are running out of oil and the whole massive machine is grinding to a halt or the skeleton is losing all mobility and ossifying and fossilizing into something that can't move anymore and people are moving away from it.
And the whole idea of You know, unrestricted capitalism and materialism, you know, we're not, you know, to be materialists, we would have to, you'd have to have some kind of respect, some kind of demonstrable respect for the material of the world, but we don't, you know, there's just this, we're aware of this when it comes to the renewable energies, that they're going to have to increase mining
Digging into Mother Earth by, I don't know, a thousand percent more mining to get to the rare earth metals and the rare earth minerals.
We're going to have to destroy more ecosystems.
We're going to have to cast aside more wildlife.
So we're not materialists at all.
We treat material with all the contempt that we treat each other.
And I think that It's reaching its absolute point of entropy.
We can't go on like this.
And I think more and more people are feeling it.
And so when you talk about despair, I think that's only a natural sensitivity to the need to look at the world in different ways.
And too many of us as well are seeing the patterns and it's courtesy of the information that we've been able to get from the internet.
We've been able to do our own research and for those of us, and I count myself among them, that would not have spotted the patterns without having them pointed out to us.
We have had the patterns pointed out.
The cyclical nature Of all of this pointed out to us that, you know, we would seem to be, economic systems would seem to run for maybe 80 years or 100 years and then they hit a brick wall and then you have to have a world war or some kind of massive reset or massive catastrophe so that the same people get the chance to, you know, to rig the game for the second time and roll all out again without, and set us all out like hamsters on the wheels without losing their power and without losing their wealth.
But for the first time, perhaps, on account of the information that we're all sharing or we've all been able to share so far before they probably take the internet away from us as well but before that happens so many of us have realized and seen the patterns
And I don't think the game will ever be able to be used against us in quite the same way that it has been for, I don't know, a couple of hundred years, maybe a whole lot longer.
I do think there's a paradigm shift upon us.
It's going to be huge for the next 10 years, maybe.
It's going to be a time of great change and great upheaval.
But as a friend of mine the other day said to me, there's everything to play for.
Yes, on that beautiful note of optimism, we will be discussing the distinctions that are emerging between the right and left, the rise of populism, the new alliances that are occurring.
We'll be talking about Neil Oliver's extraordinary, but yet somewhat industrial metaphors where we could be using Glitching digital paradigms as well because it seems to me that what's taking place in this new information age is the potential for movements that would never have emerged with old communication models and it's precisely this war that is being fought and we perhaps are seeing a
The emergence of these movements and we'll be discussing them as well as perhaps some rather more arcane models.
We'd love to talk to you a little bit about spirituality.
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That was very good.
We're beginning to understand the model, aren't we?
Neil, I'll see you in a second on Locals.
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