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June 17, 2024 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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	In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders, and thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, where we'll be talking about war, and democracy, and the delicate issue of political endorsement.
	Yes, you're right, I am wearing a tiny hat that appears to have garnered a great deal of fandom, particularly in the Rumble chat.
	Hello, Kyle Rhino.
	Hello, The Real Mix.
	Hello, Frustrated Vibration.
	Hello, Captain Chaos, and second...
	I'm sending my love and appreciation to all of you back in Stay Free HQ in the UK.
	Coming at you at 9 p.t.
	12 e.t.
	and whatever this is g.m.t.
	It's simply a number, a drift in chaos, a drift in a kind of madness.
	Joe Biden's inviting us to ignore time.
	We'll be looking later at the peace deal that Putin's proposed and what the point is in having a Ukraine peace summit when Putin simultaneously is offering terms of peace and being snubbed and denied.
	Frank Daniel.
	I love the hat.
	Thanks.
	I appreciate that, guys.
	You could become an awakened wonder like Sensitive Hearts or Purple Flower.
	If you were one, you'd be able to watch our Alex Jones interview right now.
	My mind was blown, as it continually is, by the shamanic evangelical skills of Alex Jones, who seems to be able to simultaneously convey information Invite forgiveness, because I was looking at, you know, they made a documentary about Alex Jones condemning his allegation that Sandy Hook was a false flag event, and I read an article on it in Legacy Media, and they said sort of like, you know, the distress that Alex Jones caused by alleging that, and of course, you know, excuse me, I'm a parent, but perhaps you don't have to be a parent to imagine the grief you would feel if your child lost their life, and then if someone subsequently said
	That the event had somehow been manufactured.
	But of course that is not the same as the event itself.
	And Alex Jones has always said that he didn't say precisely what he was accused of.
	My wife has that blouse.
	My wife bought me this blouse, as a matter of fact.
	I had a great conversation with her.
	I said, look, what about when people say that you're controlled opposition?
	People say I'm controlled opposition.
	People say that Joe Rogan's controlled opposition.
	They said that Elon Musk controlled opposition.
	What do you say to those people?
	His response to that was fantastic.
	I'm listening to Russell, but I'm watching the Belgium game.
	I'm going to try and make it like when you put on Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon while watching Wizard of Oz.
	This, what I'm saying, will perfectly align with Belgium.
	I'm not sure what Belgium are playing.
	I don't know who else is in that group.
	Stop wearing your children's hats, says Paleo Armoury.
	Russell Sawyer hat.
	Leave this out.
	Right, let's merchandise these tiny hats.
	Regular-sized hats.
	Let's merchandise them because people want them.
	So we'll be talking about the negotiation for peace.
	We'll be talking about the odd phenomena that none of us are able to discuss.
	We'll be talking about free speech more generally.
	And the point I wanted to make about Alex Jones is when he was being condemned in a legacy media organisation, a British newspaper called The Guardian, they said, like, he shills his products on there.
	If you look at any legacy media website, they're all selling products on there.
	They're all advertising.
	That's what they do.
	Do you know that they package and sell your data more prolifically even than pornography sites?
	Which, as you know, as a born-again saved man...
	I've got no time for looking at.
	I've got no time for looking at, baby.
	Blue Nose Bob 1874.
	It's a tiny mouse's hat.
	It is not a tiny hat.
	Slovakia won against Denmark.
	I don't know that result.
	I thought it might have been a draw.
	I've not looked at it.
	Look, I'm not here to do... I'm not here to do Euro results, okay?
	I'm here to talk about how an individual spiritual revolution, an ability for us to bind together with people from different cultures who have different political Different political beliefs from us is going to give us the power to bring about revolution.
	This is an opportunity for us to recognise that even emergent First Nation movements like, you know, they want Macron out in France.
	They want our government out in this country.
	And believe me, swapping Rishi Sunak for Keir Starmer is about as good as swapping Jimmy Savile for Rolf Harris.
	It's an improvement!
	But is it enough?
	Couldn't we do better than that?
	Could we not improve further?
	I am sure we could.
	I'm sure we could.
	Choose your own maniacs if you're watching this in the United States of America.
	I suppose it would be... I don't know.
	I don't know who's being convicted of those kind of crimes in your country, but it's happening thick and fast, baby!
	It's happening thick and fast.
	Trafficking seems to be the name of the game and the aim of the game seems to be keep you divided and...
	I don't know what's going on with the nature of trafficking.
	Certainly Alex Jones has got some extraordinary views.
	All of that is available, if you are an awakened wonder, if you watch the show on Locals.
	Okay, baby.
	So, guys, guys, there's 10,000 of you watching on Rumble right now.
	If you're watching us on YouTube and you want to see the show in its entirety, including our conversation with Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovsky, and I've never seen Chris Pavlovsky, Like this.
	I talked to him about his inspirations.
	I talked to him about how he stayed firm.
	And my favourite bit of the interview, you'll see this in a little while, we'll be putting the majority of it up a little bit on YouTube.
	No, you won't see any on YouTube.
	You'll see the majority on Rumble and we're holding a little bit back.
	When I asked him who you think is a genius that will surprise you.
	A surprising genius.
	In fact, let me know in the Rumble chat what surprising person Chris Pawlowski of Rumble think is a genius.
	Any of you get the right answer.
	Watch out for this Jim and Angie in the gallery.
	Any of you get the right answer, we will give you a year's free membership to our Locals channel.
	But you've got to get it right.
	Okay, so let me know.
	That's open to you in the Rumble chat.
	And if you're only on a month in the Locals chat, We'll give it to you as well, but not if you've already watched it.
	That would be, that would just be corruption.
	That would be the kind of cheating that we're opposed to because what we are all about is authenticity, integrity, transparency, clarity and mutual awakening together.
	My favourite bit of the Chris Pavlovsky conversation is when he said 20 years ago the internet was all about free speech, like Reddit, Instagram, Twitter, they were all about free speech.
	So how did we arrive at a point where the default is surveillance and censorship?
	How did it happen?
	Okay?
	If you are not subscribing to our YouTube channel yet, subscribe to it and turn on notifications.
	That's the only way you are ever going to know.
	If you are watching this on YouTube and you haven't turned on notifications yet, Turn on notifications now because the algorithm is gonna get you, the algorithm is gonna get you, and it's gonna ensure that you live in a reality that's entirely curated by media forces that want you compliant and subjugated.
	I'll be talking about that in a minute, as well as commenting on Ricky Gervais's brilliant attack on celebrity endorsements of politicians.
	You'll love that.
	You'll love my... What's his name?
	I did ask you guys.
	Is he called Alex de Tocqueville?
	Remember that?
	Let me know.
	Come down, write it down on a bit of paper for me, baby.
	I'd love to know the full name of the guy that I'm quoting in a minute.
	My friend sent me this quote from... I think he's called Alex de Tocqueville, but someone's going to tell me the actual answer.
	Brilliant.
	Alexis de Tocqueville, or just talk straight up Tocqueville.
	Alexis de Tocqueville.
	Alexis de Tocqueville.
	Like Alexis de Tocqueville's analysis of democracy.
	You're going to love that.
	But before we do any of that stuff, remember if you're watching this on YouTube, I'll be there for about another eight minutes.
	Then we're going to be streaming en route.
	We're going to be streaming like Joe Biden's pants at G7 Summit, baby.
	But what we will be streaming will not be bodily effluvia or diarrhoea.
	It will be truths, baby.
	Sweet Lady Truth herself will be Running freely.
	Recovering wanker.
	You could say, Gareth, all you want is having a day off because it's a travel day, but some of us...
	Some of us do not require a travel day.
	Because we go stronger from a jet land.
	We get stronger.
	Who does Chris Pavlovsky think is a genius?
	We'll give you one year.
	One year free.
	Roxanne, do you know the score?
	Z Warrior 27.
	It's not Musk.
	It's not Musk.
	Do a follow-up on Somerset Gimp, Russell.
	I remember that Somerset Gimp.
	I remember that story.
	That was weird.
	I don't not need... I don't... The locals chat's not moving.
	Can you make the locals chat move, guys?
	I need to see who's there in locals.
	We got... These people are our paid supporters and we've got to stay connected to them.
	Oh lord!
	Connection is what we need, right?
	That's it, baby.
	Keep it alive.
	Keep it alive.
	We're moving.
	Not Peterson.
	Not... That wasn't Andy Kaufman impression.
	Did you like that?
	And it wasn't Gareth.
	He said he's a genius.
	Oh.
	No, it's not Bill Hicks.
	It's not Alex Jones.
	It's not Joe Biden.
	It's not Putin.
	It's not even the world's number one tiny hat wearer.
	Oh Russ, I was pretty disappointed by that.
	That was Tony Clifton that I was doing an impression of.
	You're right.
	It's not Prince.
	None of you are gonna get it.
	It's a really surprising person to say is a genius.
	I miss your acting.
	Yeah, he was a good actor.
	I was one of the best.
	One of the best singers in the world!
	Okay let's have a look at um...
	When you meet the Holy Father, the Pope, the man who carries the mantle of Peter, the first Pope,
	what you don't want to do is sniff him so hard that a cynical man might have thought
	that a nine-year-old girl's shampoo was under that tiny Pope hat!
	I will sniff that sanctity right up my snout.
	Have a look at Javier Mille, populist libertarian leader of Argentina.
	You can see this dude is not impressed.
	What?
	What the?
	He's recoiling.
	He's recoiling as only a fellow Argentinian can.
	It's not Kamala Harris.
	It's not Kamala Harris.
	She's not a genius.
	I like when Tim Dillon says she talks like a gypsy, like everything sounds like a mad prediction.
	That was pretty dope.
	That was pretty dope.
	Now...
	My wife sticks up for me.
	That's why she allows me to wear this tiny hat.
	And that's why she bought me for Father's Day.
	Happy Father's Day to you fathers out there.
	You, I mean, I think we can say this quite literally, you glorious motherfuckers.
	I think we can say that to fathers, can we?
	I think we can say that.
	Forgive my language.
	Forgive my language.
	It was Andy.
	Yes, it was Tony Clifton.
	But the quiz, who is the genius?
	It's not Thomas Massey.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	You're going to get a year's free thing.
	You can do it.
	He had to get close to smell his tiny amount of hair.
	Now listen, while my wife loyally sticks up for me and adorns me in a leopard-skin jacket that could be worn by a middle-aged prostitute of either gender, of either, here's Jill Biden making some extraordinary claims about Biden's age.
	This election is most certainly not about age.
	Joe and that other guy... Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they've got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just about the gibberish and got motherfuckers act like it's not about age.
	...are essentially the same age.
	Let's not be... The same age!
	It's not age!
	People aren't...
	Bemused by the numerical demonstration, the calendrical indicator, by a number on a page, it's the head-sniffing!
	It's the self-defecating!
	It's the stage-wandering!
	It's not the number, it's the behaviour!
	It's the conduct and possibly it's the hypocrisy and corruption as NATO nations march us towards Armageddon.
	How do you think they're going to avoid this election?
	How?
	Do you think that there's going to be some kind of...
	A public incident?
	Do you think there's going to be a kind of civil war?
	How do you think they're going to avoid it?
	I'm fascinated to find out.
	If you're watching this on YouTube, we're going to be here for a couple more minutes.
	Then become an awakened wonder like Tiger Tiger.
	Yeah, I wish it had been me that Chris Pavlovsky said was a genius, but he did not.
	It was somebody else.
	But you're getting warmer because it was a rumble creator.
	Yeah, probably the most.
	Is it maybe the most famous rumble creator?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You tell me.
	You tell me.
	Now, this is a time where, with elections in my country, with emergency elections in France, with elections across the world, as populism Is on the rise, plainly, whether or not you think it's the right kind of populism, whether you think centralised democracies or institutions that claim to be democratic can succeed anymore.
	We're certainly seeing a quaking and a shaking.
	It's not Bongino.
	It's not Greenwald.
	It's not Bongino or Greenwald.
	Nah.
	And I've given you a clue now.
	It's not Tucker, critical thoughts.
	It's not Greenwald, copper steel coat.
	You won't believe it.
	I didn't believe it.
	But it kind of makes sense when you think about it.
	Yes!
	Bob Matthews 43.
	Send us your email.
	Andrew Tate.
	It was... Well, you're gonna have to watch it.
	Shit, I've given away the surprise.
	But you won't believe this.
	He believes Tate is a genius.
	It's a good... It's a good conversation.
	You, mate, I've said your name out loud so that will have been captured.
	Send your email in and we will send you a year's membership and you can watch the Alex Jones conversation.
	Now, you'll be able to see my conversation with Jonathan Rumi coming up.
	You'll be able to see my conversation with Elon Musk and Donald Trump for Lord alone knows.
	We've got a...
	Book that stuff!
	Steve Banner's not a bad guest.
	That guy understands social movement.
	But it's a brilliant conversation with Chris.
	That's coming up soon, baby.
	That is coming up soon.
	Let's have a look at this though.
	Many of us were so Charmed and enchanted by Ricky Gervais's Golden Globe performances, that forever now we'll be in Ricky Gervais's thrall.
	Now there may be a bunch of things, well not a bunch of things, one thing in particular that I would say, well I know about that Ricky Gervais, and that thing is of course atheism.
	I'm a believer as you guys know.
	But when it comes to the role of celebrity in culture, there's few people that have a more interesting take on it than Ricky Gervais.
	Here's Ricky Gervais now condemning the celebrity political endorsement.
	Have you ever wondered why Taylor Swift is so important?
	Like, she's on the chessboard of politics.
	She's the queen.
	She can go in every direction.
	Hip-hop, country, endorsing Joe Biden.
	You know?
	But do you care anymore about celebrity endorsements?
	Do you care anymore?
	Does it matter to you that Kid Rock endorses Donald Trump or who's the dude, Dennis Quaid?
	Do you care anymore?
	Ricky Gervais thinks that, and it's always said, one of his angles is, Ricky Gervais, you come from a normal background, you know.
	Ricky Gervais has always said, what are you listening to celebrities for?
	But I've not watched this yet.
	This is my first time watching it with you.
	If you're watching this on YouTube, remember, click the link in the description.
	We're going to be with you for another 40 minutes streaming live on Rumble.
	Join the chat with Sharkbait and Parsnip Farmer and Moe Van and Strongus and Mark LG.
	Russell, you're siding with the wrong people, says Sam in a THC.
	Do you think I'm siding with anybody?
	I'm on your side.
	I'm on the side of individual sovereignty and liberty.
	I don't want you to tell me what to do.
	You don't want me telling you what to do.
	There's no reason for centralised institutions, governmental or corporate, to be in control of your life.
	There's no reason.
	For a legacy media to be bombarding you with false information continually to curate a reality for you where you are compliant and subjugated.
	There's no reason for us to participate in the illusion of democracy anymore.
	And as Ricky Gervais says, there's no reason for any of us to take celebrity endorsements seriously.
	For the past few years, we've seen a massive pushback.
	Now, I did say, guys, get the original Ricky Gervais video, not the thing I'm posting you.
	So I'm going to give you a few minutes to grab the original Ricky Gervais video and to stick it on the deck for me.
	The original Ricky Gervais video, which he would have posted on X. So you'll have to go on X. You'll have to look up Ricky Gervais' account.
	You'll have to scroll through it.
	You'll find the original video.
	You'll have to rip it.
	You'll have to put it on a deck.
	But you could have done that earlier, but it's okay.
	I recognise these things happen in life.
	We're going to come back to that Ricky Gervais video.
	And this is a brilliant opportunity for me to go into Alexis de Tocqueville's analysis of democracy.
	Let's have a little look at that while these guys pull that out of the stream and stick it on.
	Maybe stick it on button five.
	I don't know what you've got to do.
	You can tell me that bit.
	That bit I'm going to hand over to you guys.
	Now let's have a look at this.
	This is...
	A brilliant appraisal of what we should really fear when it comes to tyranny.
	Technological dictatorships and real tyranny.
	You're gonna love this.
	It's extraordinary.
	Calm down, Russell.
	Your team works hard.
	You think they weren't calm?
	I once saw, um...
	Amma!
	Sort of saying to people that they couldn't play, they weren't playing a keyboard properly.
	She was like, man, she were cold.
	There is nothing wrong with communicating standards, guys.
	You do it respectfully, you do it lovingly, but you communicate standards.
	How do you think we changed the world?
	Well, by analysing this kind of information from Alexius to Tocqueville.
	Let's have a look.
	Let me do a bit of a...
	Is that the bit that was in an image?
	Is that the bit that was in an image?
	Six, seven, eight... Where this is it?
	This is the element.
	Okay, so this is Alexis de Tocqueville on equality.
	When citizens are all equal, almost equal, it becomes difficult for them When citizens are all almost equal, it becomes difficult for them to defend their independence against the aggressions of power.
	As none of them is strong enough to fight alone with advantage, the only guarantee of liberty is for everyone to combine forces.
	Modern democracy, de Tocqueville feared, would become adept at new forms of tyranny.
	This is the bit that I really want to focus on.
	New forms of tyranny.
	In such conditions, we might become so enamoured with the relaxed love of present enjoyments that we lose interest in the future of our descendants and meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force, all the more powerful because it does not resemble one.
	I love that.
	I love this.
	Think of how tyranny is masked and veiled now.
	with the relaxed love of present enjoyments, that we lose interest in the future of our
	descendants and meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force all
	the more powerful because it does not resemble one.
	Think of what, think of how tyranny is masked and veiled now.
	Think of how tyranny claims to care about you.
	That they come, not to control you, but to protect you.
	We're just going to lock you in your houses to protect you.
	We're just proposing 15 minute cities to protect you.
	We just need you to carry this vaccine passport in order to know that you are safe and that we can keep others safe.
	Brilliant.
	And our present enjoyments so distracted by pleasure, so adrift in not joy but distraction and a kind of numbness that we have lost all connection and vision of our duties.
	Meekly allow ourselves to be led in ignorance by a despotic force all the more powerful because it does not resemble one.
	Talk feel worried that despotism in a democracy Would be a much more dangerous version than the oppression under the tyrants of the past.
	Despotism under a democracy could see a multitude of men, uniformly alike, equal, constantly circling for petty pleasures, unaware of fellow citizens, and subject to the will of a powerful state which exerted an immense protective power.
	That is the power that's being asserted upon you.
	Let us protect you.
	You are vulnerable.
	You don't know what information's true.
	Let us protect you from that information.
	You're too stupid.
	You're too infantile.
	You're like a child.
	Let us gather you up in our arms.
	Tocqueville predicted, thank you, Tocqueville predicted a potentially a potentially despotic democratic government that wants to
	keep its citizens as perpetual children. We are being continually infantilised. You're
	seeing this, you're feeling it, and which does not break men's wills, but rather guides it and
	presides over people in the same way as a shepherd looking after a flock of timid
	animals. And the most nefarious thing I think about it is the assertion as the central image, the
	idea of the shepherd and the flock, a key Christian image, a key image in many faiths because
	of the agricultural realities of the time that many of those religions were devised or at
	least inscribed.
	The state has indeed replaced the Lord at the centre of our culture while telling us that all of our answers can come from materialism and imperialism and examination.
	No need for faith, no need for unity, no need for redemption or salvation.
	Let us replace the Lord.
	All the qualities of a religion except for atonement and salvation and glory and joy.
	Where we're numbly ushered into a Huxley-esque dystopia that tells us it's utopic through the soma.
	Not just SOMA alone, but through screens and distractions too.
	Whilst you will recognise Orwell's boot when it lands on your face, you'll be more baffled yet by Kafka's bureaucratic entanglement.
	You don't know what it is you did wrong, but you are to be a child forever.
	When we look at those three pieces of literature, the trial by Kafka, Brave New World by Huxley, 1984 by Orwell.
	We see what the Tocqueville is telling us.
	That it is a form of democracy that will present us with new tyranny.
	You can vote for this guy or this guy.
	You can vote for Keir Starmer or Rishi Sunak as if that's any kind of choice at all.
	You can vote for Joe Biden or whatever else is put up before you.
	It's a long way till November, baby.
	It's a long way till November.
	Let me tell you my deep heartfelt belief that unless we awaken, unless we become units of revolution and radicalism ourselves, and the most radical thing we'll be able to do is reach out in love and in faith to one another, to put aside our fears of one another, to find our own journey to divinity inwardly, so strong and so bold that we will not be a feared or controlled by those systems of despotism that want to protect us To within an inch of our lives.
	But that's just what I think.
	Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
	Whether you're watching this on YouTube, where you should subscribe right now and click that link in the description and get on over.
	In fact, start the countdown.
	I'm going to do that Ricky Gervais thing.
	Then we're going to talk about that crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy war we're being ushered into.
	So if you're watching us on YouTube, we're leaving now.
	Chris Pawlowski's interview where he talks about how he's built Rumble.
	Do you want to become a tech billionaire?
	Do you remember when being a tech billionaire was a pretty innocuous thing?
	Like, they're eligible bachelors!
	Now, They're CIA maniacs!
	They're working for the CIA!
	Pulling strings?
	Are we the baddies now, Hans?
	Click the link in the description if you watch us on YouTube.
	Get on over to Rumble for this fantastic interview.
	If you're not an awakened wonder yet, become an awakened wonder now.
	Let's have a look at Ricky Gervais.
	Massey, you can use the intro that I was doing before we found out we didn't have it.
	Hi, guys.
	Ricky G here.
	Wellness and beauty influencer.
	As a celebrity, I know all about stuff.
	Like science and politics.
	So trust me when I tell you who you should vote for.
	If you don't vote the right way, it's like a hate crime.
	And it makes me sad and angry.
	And I'll leave the country.
	And you don't want that.
	My favourite bit is the lingering ending where I'm assuming Ricky Gervais is shooting this on his own phone in what sounds like a pretty large bathroom to me.
	And then just lets it run down.
	Because, of course, what Ricky Gervais has always been good on is remembering who he is and where he's from.
	A lot of the time, when someone gets super famous, you think, where did they come from?
	Ricky Gervais was, I feel like, maybe 40 when the British office became a big hit.
	So he's a person that's never lost his connection with his working class roots.
	And maybe the sense that comes along with that, that the world of celebrity is pretty Bloody stupid and empty and vacuous and it's trying to make you delirious and it's just part of the distractions that we were describing a minute ago when we were analysing the Tocqueville because here on Rumble we talk about philosophy.
	We talk about sociology.
	We're awakening together.
	Click the link in the description.
	Let me know what you think about Ricky Gervais there.
	Would you trust Ricky Gervais?
	Is there a celebrity in the public eye that you would trust above Ricky Gervais?
	Let me know what you think in the chat below.
	War!
	What is it good for?
	It's good for controlling people, it's good for generating revenue.
	That's why when Putin proposes a peace deal that's pretty much in alignment with what Russian leaders have always said since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War, it's granted as some extraordinary slur.
	And an attack on the sacred Zelensky, that modern Saint Zelensky.
	Oh Zelensky, why don't you light up the golden globes with another plea for another few billions?
	Oh Zelensky, why aren't you presented as a hero for cancelling elections?
	For playing the piano with erections?
	For condemning Jan 6th insurrections?
	Oh sweet Zelensky, how can I love thee more?
	Now he might be alright, I don't know why I got into that so much.
	He's a comedian that ended up leading a country and lord alone knows that's a path that Many comedians have contemplated from time to time, but imagine the assassination attempts.
	Who wants to put up with that bullshit?
	What I would say is this...
	What the hell's going on between Ukraine and Russia?
	It's certainly a lot more complicated than what you'll read in the legacy media.
	We know that in 2014, the CIA intervened to bring about an insurrection and to bring down a democratically elected government.
	There are complex regional and ethnic relationships between Ukraine and Russia at various points in its history.
	It hasn't even been a nation.
	In fact, let's pause for a moment and reflect and remember that a nation is a construct.
	That's perhaps why there's so much tension across the United States of America right now, because Texas is indeed different from California, which is different from Florida, which is different from Minnesota.
	There are at least 50 potential Americas out there, and I'm starting to get an inkling that the more power centralizes at the level of the state and the nation, the easier it is to do global corporate deals these days with technology companies that will be interested in surveillance and censorship and control.
	And when we talk about Mussolini's terrifying vision that fascism would ultimately become state and corporate power combined, and he knows a thing or two about fascism.
	He was the first out of the bloc.
	He was very much the Bill Haley to Hitler's Elvis, if you want to be reductive about military dictators.
	So, when Putin says all we want is Ukraine not to join NATO and for Ukrainian troops to withdraw out of the territories that have currently been conquered by Russian forces, We might consider whether or not that is a better deal than continuing to fund this war.
	Because you know what Julian Assange said about Afghanistan?
	They don't want quick wars.
	They want expensive wars.
	The function of war and the function of government is one function.
	To transfer your money, public money, into private hands.
	Let me know what you think about that in the chat.
	And that's what happened in Afghanistan.
	Two trillion dollars of your money, it's American money, transferred into... I wonder where that ended up.
	Do you imagine that it... Who do you think got it?
	Was it a troop somewhere?
	Is that why 22 former service people a day commit suicide?
	Was it a member of the American military?
	Is that why many of them are still in active service?
	Let me know if you are a service person.
	Are still having to use food banks.
	I think it's 40% of them.
	So let me know where you think these trillions of dollars are ending up and I'll give you a couple of clues.
	Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
	They are certainly better at controlling your government than they are installing doors on aeroplanes if recent events are anything to go by.
	So let's have a look at Putin's peace deal and the reason that it might be rejected.
	Straight after that we're going to Chris Pavlovsky.
	We asked you, in fact can you play this in because it's on asset number 40, we asked you do you think instead of having a Ukraine peace conference should NATO countries just accept Putin's deal?
	And most of you said Yeah, that would be a good way of not having a nuclear war.
	Chatter X in the rumble chat, their goal is to have endless war, not a successful war.
	Julian Assange, where's he now?
	He's on a beach somewhere.
	He's in Belmarsh prison, as you know.
	Evil Wendy Bird, I'm a reservist in the military.
	Respect!
	I have massive respect for all service personnel, because sacrifice and service are the values we have to return to.
	Lord alone knows that's what I'm working on.
	So, This becomes all the more relevant and interesting because if indeed they do have a 10-year plan and at the G7 they've just agreed 10 years of funding using your money and my money to continue to fund a war that's costing Ukrainian lives and I pray, I pray for the end of the deaths of Ukrainian people, I pray for the end of the destruction of Ukrainian territory, I pray for peace oh lord in Jesus name we pray.
	This is not anti-Ukrainian, this is not pro-Putin, this is pro-you, Me and humanity.
	As your man Donald Trump said controversially, I just want people to stop dying.
	And I remember a time when that didn't be, it didn't used to be a controversial opinion to hold.
	And is it a cause for concern that we are seeing now?
	It's not a sad hat, it's a fantastic hat.
	Fuck you, E.H.L.
	Howard.
	Fuck you!
	Oh no, it wasn't, it's not the first person.
	Burnslot.
	Sorry H. Howard, you were praying.
	I got off the The stream was going past so fast I told the wrong person to fuck himself!
	And then there's an Epstein quote in there somewhere.
	I mean, that's the kind of problem that dude had too!
	So, let's have a look at this.
	Let's have a look at the fact that the House of Representatives has passed a measure automatically registering men aged 18 to 26 for selective service.
	And you'll remember, guys, that I asked for the rest of the article to be printed out, so I guess that's here somewhere.
	Okay, so the House of Representatives passed a measure on Friday automatically registering men aged 18 to 26 for selective service.
	It was part of the annual National Defence Authorisation Act which sets out the US government's military and national security priorities for the next fiscal year.
	This year's NDAA authorises $895.2 billion in military spending and a $9 billion increase from 24.
	While it hasn't been invoked in over half a century, it's mandatory for all male US citizens to register for the Selective Service, also known for the military draft when they turn 18.
	Failure to register is classified as a felony and comes with a host of legal charges.
	Do you think that that's just a coincidence, or do you think that's important?
	Now, we're seeing this on Fox News, it's legacy media, it's right-wing.
	What do you guys think?
	Let me know in the chat if you think that's significant.
	I'm talking to you, sensitive hearts, I'm talking to all of you guys.
	Let me know when you've got that article that I requested, guys, and maybe let me know on the mic how long that's going to be.
	Your hat is great, Russell.
	27.
	Thank you.
	In 27 minutes, I can have it.
	Oh, it's on an asset.
	It's registered as an asset.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Your hat is great, Russ, if you're a stripper named Cheyenne, says Paul Schober.
	Stripper's hat.
	They're taking this thing in another fucking direction.
	I can't believe this stuff.
	All right, let's have a look at the rest of this.
	Well, before we get into the rest of this story and how significant it is that a bill has just been passed that automatically registers fighting-age men to fight in wars, and whenever I hear in right-wing spaces people saying, do you notice that fighting-age males are being criminalized and demoralized and attacked and diminished and diminutized in a thousand ways and decimated and destroyed and annihilated?
	I think this has got to be a conspiracy, but hmm.
	Hmm, is it a conspiracy though?
	Is it though?
	Now, let's have a look at Putin's, uh, let's have a look at how the legacy... We're still fighting in these troops!
	Excuse me, let's have a look at how the legacy media, I'm going to play that again, let's have a look at how the legacy media handled Putin's offer of a ceasefire.
	With the fighting in eastern Ukraine largely remaining a stalemate, Vladimir Putin is trying a new round of diplomacy.
	The Russian president floating a new peace proposal on Friday calling for an immediate halt to the Russian offensive in exchange for the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from areas already controlled by Moscow and an end to Ukraine's NATO membership process.
	Russia is offering an option that will make it possible to In a way you might not want to cede the idea that Vladimir Putin is dictating the terms, but for a moment, and I'm really interested in what you guys think about this,
	Do you believe that Russia, with its history, with its military, with its nuclear capacity, is a kind of, you know, what Donald Trump might call a shithole country, or some adversarial nation that might be dismissed or brushed aside, some Afghanistan, some Iraq or Iran, some Vietnam, some place, some plaything nation on the chessboard of reality?
	Or do you think that Russia are also a player on the global stage and that you have to negotiate differently with them?
	Do you back the project that appears to be behind this, a globalist project, a unipower, one world state where both Russia and China are destabilised militarily because economically and financially American power is waning?
	That what we still think of as the United States of America is essentially a veil for globalist corporate interests, your black rocks, your military-industrial complex, your big pharma, and all of this will disappear down the tunnel of time while you will own nothing and be happy, perhaps on the side of various apocalypses, various apocalypses that lay waste Really end the war in Ukraine.
	of the population and significantly control those that survive. I was about to say the
	rest of us like I know for sure that I'm going to like totally live through Armageddon. But
	I have been saved baby!
	And even with fighting intensifying along the Eastern Front, they say they're in a good position to stage a counter-offensive in the summer.
	I've heard all this, good position to stage a counter-offensive in the summer stuff, before.
	Where was that?
	Last summer!
	They're always telling us there's going to be this counter-offensive, aren't they?
	And that is a war, that's a war lyric as old as time.
	In the First World War it was always, we'll be owned by Christmas, we'll be owned by Christmas, you know?
	And then in the Second World War, oh that Hitler, do you know he's only got one bollock?
	What difference is that going to make if he's developing UFO Nazi spaceships?
	I don't know, he's just going to make it harder to kick him in the bollock.
	...attempt to agree on peace and have no relevance to any negotiations.
	There is no possibility to find compromise.
	The new diplomatic push by Russia comes as NATO defense ministers meet in Brussels.
	The United States stands behind NATO's continued support, and our allies and partners will stand by Ukraine for the long haul.
	Today's announcement... Stand behind Ukraine, stand behind the concept of Ukraine, use Ukraine as a vassal to generate control, to create a bulwark state on the edge of Russia, to generate opportunity for Black Rock, to create opportunity for conscription and control, to maybe usher us towards nuclear war in order to institute more control.
	Hey, I pray I'm wrong!
	I pray this is a conspiracy theory but so many of those conspiracy theories have turned out to be conspiracy facts and indeed if this is a conflict between Ukraine and Russia and Ukraine are not yet a member of NATO and if one of Putin's conditions is don't let Ukraine join NATO on the basis of the agreement that was made between Gorbachev and Reagan of not letting US territories or NATO territories impede on former Soviet borders by even one inch since which time that Agreement has been transgressed by I think a thousand miles and many many countries have been invited to join NATO and that amounts to impinging upon former Soviet territory.
	That amounts to acts of aggression towards Russia that preceded his invasion of Ukraine and yet of course we continually hear that Putin is the aggressor and as I have to say every time we bring this stuff up I don't like Vladimir Putin either!
	I don't want that dude in charge of the world but It's odd when you start to imagine that Vladimir Putin's interests might be more closely aligned with yours than Joe Biden's because Vladimir Putin don't want your taxes to fund the military-industrial complex.
	I don't know.
	Let me know how you think about it in the chat, guys.
	And indeed, if this is a conflict, between Ukraine and Russia rather than NATO and Russia.
	How come the person that responds to the peace deal, first of all, most publicly and most vocally, is Jens Stoltenberg, who's the head of, not Ukraine, but NATO.
	There's an amazing moment that you should see when India declared its independence from Britain.
	The new Prime Minister, President or Prime Minister Nehru, the first leader of the Free India, gave his speech to the people of India.
	We're free now of British tyranny.
	We're free now of British control.
	The only thing is, he gave that speech in English.
	So who was he talking to really?
	You've got to get more astute when you're watching politics.
	You've got to see whose power plays are playing out in your reality.
	We've got to learn to see from history how these things roll out.
	Let's have a look at Jens Stoltenberg, President of Ukraine.
	Oh no, he's leader of NATO.
	Well, that's weird.
	It's not for Ukraine to withdraw forces from Ukrainian territory.
	It's for Russia to withdraw their forces from occupied Ukrainian land.
	So this is not a peace proposal.
	This is a proposal of more aggression, more occupation.
	And it demonstrates in a way that Russia's aim is to control Ukraine.
	Look at his body language, though.
	Look at his body language, though.
	He's got his arms folded.
	He's got his arms folded across the heart chakra.
	He's got his arms folded across the heart chakra, cos he's telling a lie.
	Are there any 666s in that NATO thing?
	What does that star mean?
	Let me know in the chat, guys.
	And I don't trust this Jens Stoltenberg, motherfucker.
	I don't trust him!
	I don't trust him!
	And that has been the purpose of Russia since the beginning of this war.
	And that's a blatant violation of international law and that's also the reason why NATO allies continue to support Ukraine.
	So it's a violation of international law.
	And there have been no NATO countries involved in violation of international law.
	I don't know what happened in Iraq.
	Probably there was weapons of mass destruction.
	So why don't you shut up?
	The New York Times have taken a mere two years to observe that there was a peace deal between Zelensky and Putin.
	Then Boris Johnson, living cream cake, Former Prime Minister of Britain went there and scuppered it all up.
	And do you imagine for a single second that Rishi Sunak would have done anything different?
	Or do you imagine for a single second that Keir Starmer, next Prime Minister of Britain, would do anything different?
	Of course not!
	They are all globalists, they are all ultimately controlled by the same forces, supping from the same resources, and by that I mean the teeth of Satan.
	Let's have a look at the New York Times.
	This is Glenn Deeson on X. There they are, the New York Times saying, oh well look there was a there was a peace deal in 2022 but it was scuppered by western leaders.
	Keep up New York Times!
	Keep up!
	We ain't got all bleeding day!
	We ain't got all day darling!
	Here's fellow rumbler Glenn Greenwald on the subject.
	The evidence that Biden and NATO and especially Boris Johnson That great giant chick, you know like a little fluffy baby hen, impeded the peace deal is now overwhelming and conclusive.
	They wanted a prolonged war.
	The proof includes multiple statements from various world leaders attempting to mediate an agreement.
	That peace deal was a surprise for your birthday and you've ruined it!
	You're just like...
	Putin?
	Let's have a look at what David Sachs is saying.
	In January 2022 there was a last-ditch effort at diplomacy to prevent the Ukraine war between Secretary of State Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister... Excuse me, let me slow down a bit.
	Secretary of State Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.
	At that meeting, Blinken not only declared that NATO's door would remain open to Ukraine, he reversed a previous concession by stating that the US reserved the right to place nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil.
	This was a massive provocation.
	In fact, it was the same provocation that the Soviet Union committed against the US, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	When will Congressional Republicans subpoena Blinken and get to the bottom Is that what politics is now?
	I will subpoena you.
	I will subpoena you so hard, you won't sit down for a week!
	No, you subpoena me, I'll subpoena you.
	Can I have a look at your subpoenas?
	Show me those subpoenas!
	Get your hands off my subpoenas!
	I did not give you consent to look at my subpoenas, baby!
	Well, there you go.
	These are your leaders.
	This is your politics.
	This is your Armageddon.
	This is your war.
	This is our opportunity to rise up in unison against these disgusting Luciferian forces that seem to be asserting control on our planet.
	Now, I know a lot of you condemn dear Bobby Kennedy, my mate, for his Position in particular on Israel.
	But I plorate for peace everywhere!
	An end to violence!
	An end to war!
	Here's Bobby Kennedy pretty much summing up the entire damn thing.
	And let me know what you think.
	Do you feel like outsiders?
	And I know that's how you see Donald Trump and that's why you love Donald Trump because you think he's a wrecking ball in these democratic institutions.
	Do you think that it's the likes of Bobby Kennedy and the likes of Donald Trump that are required?
	Where are the heroes going to rise from?
	It's got to be from within, isn't it?
	It's got to be all of us, isn't it?
	It's not going to be some external hero, is there?
	It's going to be us.
	We've got to participate.
	We've got to do what we can, can't we?
	Contribute together.
	Let's have a look at Bobby Kennedy on this and tell me in the chat anything you disagree with.
	Put it in the chat right now, Blue Nose Bob.
	Blue Nose Bob, 1978-74.
	Stephen Coco, Ooga Booga, I'm talking to you.
	All of you.
	Let me know what you disagree with in this.
	The chat might need refreshing over here.
	The rumble chat, guys.
	Let me know what you think, Kellyanne Katz, and Claude, and all you guys.
	We've got Chris Pavlovsky coming up in a minute.
	Let's have a look at this from Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby Kennedy.
	You know, Putin every day says, I want to settle the war.
	Let's negotiate.
	And Zelensky has said, we're not going to negotiate.
	But in 92, the wall came down in the Soviet Union.
	Gorbachev said, I'm going- Slim Feezy says, I have a small subpoenas, but it's still bigger than Russell's hat.
	Damn you!
	Leave my hat alone!
	I'm going to allow you to reunify Germany, but I want your commitment.
	After that, you will not move NATO one inch to the east, and we solemnly swore we wouldn't do it.
	Well then, in 97, we're gonna move NATO a thousand miles to the east, and take 15 countries into it, and surround the Soviet Union.
	We then overthrow the government.
	In 2014, they're elected government and put in a Western sympathetic government.
	Russia then has to go into Crimea because they have a port at Vladivostok.
	It's their only warm water port and they know.
	I like that stuff, like warm water port stuff.
	That's what I like learning.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like when they say that's a strategic and necessary thing.
	That you can't take Crimea, or access to Crimea, away from Russia.
	It's strategically too important.
	Now look, a lot of you guys... Don't be anti-Semitic!
	Don't be Islamophobic!
	Don't be anti-anything!
	Become pro-love.
	Reach out in love.
	It's a frequency.
	It's beyond the object of the hatred.
	You know this surely.
	Come on!
	Come on!
	We can do it.
	I like Bobby, but I love Trump, says Deanne Ross.
	Well then, get ready baby, because here is your chosen one on the same subject.
	Talking about Zelensky as a salesperson and talking about, obviously, how he would be able to bring about peace.
	RFK sounds like Audrey Hepburn.
	That is unkind!
	Do not criticise people for things that they cannot control.
	RFK, I happen to know him personally.
	I've sat with him with people.
	He's a beautiful person.
	Right, okay.
	Let's get into this thing.
	I think Zelensky is maybe the greatest salesman of any politician that's ever lived.
	Every time he comes to our country, he walks away with 60 billion dollars.
	And I like him, you know, on the impeachment hoax number one.
	He was very good.
	He said no.
	The president didn't threaten me at all.
	He could have been a grandstander and said, I was threatened, right, Matt?
	He could have said, I was threatened.
	So I like him.
	But he's the greatest salesman of all time.
	He walks in.
	So now here's the beauty.
	He just- Plantsheel.
	Plantsheel.
	Not Plantsheel.
	Plantsheel in the rumble chat.
	Trump didn't change anything.
	What do you guys think about that?
	Do you think that in the four years from 2016 to 2020, did your life improve?
	Did the world improve?
	Did America improve?
	Let me know in the chat, because there's a lot of people that think you need a lot more than changing the figurehead at the front of the movement.
	Let me know.
	Scrooge McDuck.
	Yeah, I feel you, baby.
	Let me know what you guys think.
	He's the greatest actor.
	Let me know what you think, because this is a time for a radical change.
	Oh my gosh, get Donald Trump in here, says the Red.
	We're trying, actually.
	We're pretty close.
	We are pretty close.
	We're pretty close.
	We're pretty close.
	We've, in fact, We've not locked down a date.
	I want to speak to him.
	I want to speak to Biden.
	I want to speak to all of them.
	Okay, let's let him round up.
	Left four days ago with 60 billion and he gets home and he announces that he needs another 60 billion.
	I said it never ends.
	It never ends.
	I will have that settled prior to taking the White House as President-elect.
	I will have that settled.
	Gotta stop it.
	Would it never happen?
	Remember we started this item talking about the renewed bill that means that every man aged between 18 and 26 could be subject to uh what was it again let me hold on a minute let me find the thing then excuse me let me pull that up again guys Uh yeah like that look let me say again.
	Mandatory for all male U.S.
	citizens to register for selective service known as the military draft when they turn to 18.
	Failure to register is classified as a felony and comes with a host of legal challenges.
	Supporters of the amendment argued cut down on bureaucratic red tape and help U.S.
	citizens to avoid unnecessary legal issues as well as cutting down on the taxpayer dollars going towards prosecuting those cases.
	It was led by Chrissy Houlihan and passed in the House Armed Services Committee's version
	of the NDAA in May.
	The NDAA advanced through the committee by an overwhelming 57 to 1.
	By using available federal databases, the agency will be able to register all the individuals required
	and thus help ensure that any future military draft is fair and equitable, said Houlihan during a debate.
	This will allow us to rededicate resources.
	Basically, that means money towards reading readiness, towards mobilization, rather than towards education and advertising campaigns.
	Hmm, sounds a little bit like they're at least considering the potential necessity for more troops, more war, more opportunity for control and profit.
	And remember, what I believe is this.
	They often claim that their actions are based on compassion.
	We have to lock you in your homes.
	You simply must take this medication.
	Why?
	Because life is sacred.
	Every human life is sacred and we must protect the vulnerable.
	These are important and beautiful principles.
	I don't believe they operate from that place.
	I don't believe they believe that.
	Do you believe that?
	I feel that what they do is they say we have to intervene in this geopolitical crisis between Russia and Ukraine in order to protect Ukrainian people when in fact there's another agenda.
	Agendas of dominion, agendas of resource, agendas of finance, agendas ultimately of control.
	Control of a domestic population and ultimately perhaps control of a global population.
	But they can't come out and just tell us that out front can they?
	They have to always be saying We're protecting you, or we are working in support of some higher principle that no one but a fool would refute.
	How dare you to impugn us?
	We're basically Christian soldiers on the march across the world.
	Well, I simply don't trust them, I don't believe them, there's no reason to trust or believe them, and I feel that There was a peace deal on the table.
	Putin is saying he will withdraw.
	Why don't we accept that peace deal and work out the details from there?
	Work out democracy, if that's so important for the world and for Ukraine.
	Remember, that's the whole reason we're in this conflict, is in order to support democracy.
	Even though there are no elections in Ukraine, even though there's only one political party in Ukraine, even though American journalists like Gonzalo Lira are dying in prison in Ukraine, even though BlackRock have already done a deal to rebuild Ukraine, we have to believe that when they say democracy, they mean the right of the citizenry to control their nation, rather than a set of institutions that control the citizenry.
	Hey!
	You remember earlier when we were looking at the Tocqueville?
	What did he tell you?
	That there will be great a tyranny under democracy because we won't notice the tyranny because we're so beleaguered and baffled, wandering through malls, tired of it all, consuming sugar, lost and bewildered, shepherded not by a good shepherd but by the Luciferian forces of Consumerism and commodification.
	But that is just what I think.
	Let me know what you think in the comments in the chat.
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	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	I'm joined by Chris Pawlowski, CEO and founder of Rumble for what I'm going to call an informal yet in-depth conversation.
	There's a lot of things I want to ask you about, Chris.
	Thanks for joining us today.
	Thank you for having me again.
	Thanks for having me in your building and allowing me to host you in your premises.
	Chris, there's a lot for us to talk about.
	I want to start off with a conversation we were having when we were on our way to Don Jr's house for some cigar smoking and controversy generation.
	Now, I asked you about Alexander the Great, this I asked you about because of your Macedonian roots, your family's from Macedonia, and you talked to me a little about your fascination with history and the crossover of history with religion.
	Now over the course of this conversation we'll of course talk about Rumble's role in free speech, we'll obviously talk about how you founded Rumble, How you become a tech billionaire, what the obligations are if you are a tech magnate these days and how it's inherently political and an inherently political space.
	I want to sort of understand a little bit about how you think and is your fascination with Alexander the Great just based on your shared Macedonian nationality or is it because of the more sort of esoteric and unusual qualities of Alexander the Great, sort of a living, well now dead, but at the time living god king?
	Yeah, no, that's one of the most passionate topics, something that I've taken hours and days and weeks of studying on my own and kind of trying to understand everything with respect to Alexander and religion and both those things and how they intersect and how that time period.
	It's more the time period that I'm more interested in, from, you know, 1000 BC to you know, 100, 200 AD. I think that time period is like
	super interesting. So much happened.
	And it's really, it's really good to kind of understand what happened there.
	So Alexander has been a huge fascination.
	It's kind of like the pinnacle.
	It's the center of, you know, pre-date Christianity time.
	Kind of when religion was starting to blossom and start to come into society.
	So I've had a huge fascination, obviously, because both my parents were born in Macedonia.
	I was born in Canada.
	But it's been stories being told from family generation to generation about Alexander.
	And, uh, it's just been around me for, you know, since I was basically born, uh, hearing about it.
	So I've had a deep fascination with it.
	And then once you kind of dive in and you kind of start really digging in and understanding everything, um, with respect to the ancient Macedonian history, you get, uh, well, for me anyways, it just gets so captivated.
	And then all these things that he did do and his father did, Um, to get where they were is really unique and really interesting.
	Yeah, because I suppose he became a near-mythic figure and made some extraordinary claims, but claims that are, I suppose, underwritten by the fact that he conquered the known world and was like a living deity.
	I know that these days a lot of military strategists as well as business strategists look at Alexander the Great's methodologies and policies and Some of them, it seems, remain relevant when it comes to conquering territory and how to organize territory.
	Do you see, like, when you're running a billion-dollar, multi-billion-dollar organization, do you think strategically, do you think about how Alexander the Great organizes resources and manages a vast, well, in his case, empire, and I suppose, in your sense, a free speech platform?
	How do you utilize or are you able to utilize your understanding of his strategies?
	I think that applies to pretty much like every business owner, successful business owner uses the past and uses a strategy from the past to apply to the future.
	You know, It's... I have this saying, like, stupid people don't learn from mistakes, smart people will learn from mistakes, but the geniuses can learn from others, and they don't make any mistakes whatsoever, and they just learn from others' mistakes without even making them themselves.
	And, you know, when it comes to myself and, like, building Rumble and building businesses that I've done in the past, A lot of it is based on what I see from other people and the way they've done things.
	Obviously Alexander is like a...
	massive achievement, you know, conquering the known world at the time. That's
	something that's never been done by anyone before, so there's nothing
	even comparable to that. But definitely, like, you know, he was cutting edge with
	like how to do strategy in terms of logistics, in terms of actual war. His
	father came up with the phalanx and I think it was a sarissa, the sword, made it
	extra long and it was ahead of its time.
	So even on the technology side, they were ahead of their time and the way they just moved their armies logistically was way ahead of their time.
	they knew how to manage water and horses and make sure people don't ride the horses
	so they don't consume as much water on the carry.
	Like there's a lot of different things that they did and like using these,
	obviously not using these exact techniques in today's world, but like trying to be cutting edge
	and trying to come up with solutions that will beat the competition
	is exactly what you have to do in any business.
	And then at the same time, being rumbled and getting attacked all the time
	by other businesses, media, predominantly corporate media,
	you gotta know how to play that game too.
	And you need to be strategic.
	It's in a different way, but essentially it's the same attack in a different method, you know, and you got to know how to handle it.
	The media space has become first politicized and almost militarized in the sense that it is a very combative space these days.
	People recognize, I think, at the advent of social media that the possibility for silos and the intensification of rhetoric, that that was going to be somehow inevitable.
	But I think all of us are surprised as to where it's got.
	You're involved in, I think, various legal battles with a whole set of institutions I suppose it would be good to start on the common enemy.
	God, enemy is a harsh word, but, you know, like Google, Alphabet, YouTube, you're in a lawsuit, I figure, around competitive practices and monopolization.
	Why is antitrust regulation important?
	And what's it like facing, when you have a platform like Rumble, Is it like, are there algorithms against us?
	I remember like when you were doing some of the Republican primary debates or whatever, they shut that stuff down.
	You know, because there are people that say that what YouTube are able to do is, in a sense, curate reality.
	That you only see certain stories, you only have access to certain ideas.
	And in a sense, the whole perception of reality can be controlled by something with that much power.
	And obviously you've got skin in the game because you're a rival and a competitor.
	Tell me how you are strategizing and organizing that conflict.
	Yeah, no, it's a constant battle.
	The antitrust playing field, the monopolization of different sectors in tech, is incredibly... What's the word I'm looking for?
	It's incredibly unfair, for sure, but it also prevents Good companies from emerging, it prevents a real good market.
	It really threatens the market in a massive way.
	And when it comes to like dissemination of information and information flow and having monopolies surrounding information flow, it gets really bad.
	You were talking about how it's like political, but these become weapons for certain people.
	They use the flow of information, and they weaponize the flow of information
	to kind of like control people and create perceptions that are not realities.
	And it's really scary.
	So no single entity for the flow of information is a good thing, no matter how you look at it.
	You need like, you need local media, you need local journalists,
	you need independent journalists, you need everybody kind of like disseminating information
	and bringing it out there.
	You can't have like three or four large entities controlling information flow in corporate media.
	That's the, then for sure, they're giving you what they wanna give you.
	For sure.
	They have no incentive at that point to tell you the truth in most of the matters.
	Their incentive is to just push their agendas constantly.
	Now, when it comes to technology, You know, we're moving into a time now where corporate media is kind of threatened by technology in a way.
	And you have monopolies both in video and the online video sharing market, which is YouTube.
	You have a monopoly in search, which is, you know, Google.
	And you know, you got one company that controls both these entities.
	You know it's it's the there's lots of arguments that they have monopolies and in various other sectors they for sure have it in the advertising industry as well.
	So as as rumble you know our job is to call this out when we see something that's unfair and when it's a you know.
	Bad for the market.
	And when we see a monopoly, and we have, we're suing Alphabet for their monopolization of their with YouTube and their advertising industry.
	We have two separate lawsuits attacking them from two different ways on items that are extremely important for the market.
	One, the control of money through advertising and online advertising is a huge incentive of how you provide information flow.
	And if Google controls the money flow through advertising to all these properties, which are like, let's say, the New York Times is running Google.
	I don't know if they are, but maybe they're running Google ads.
	Is the New York Post running Google ads?
	If all these publishing websites are now using Google, and Google has a policy where it says you can't contest whether or not the election is You know, rigged or not rigged, then of course it's only going to be one narrative across every single publishing site.
	You're not even going to be able to question it.
	The ability of questioning, like, this is a something that, you know, I grew up with.
	I'm sure you grew up with.
	Like, questioning is a good thing.
	You should question everything.
	You shouldn't take everything for face value.
	You should, you know, always ask the question.
	You know, there's always possibility of something.
	And hearing different sides of the story is incredibly important.
	But when you have an overarching You have to start from a point of skepticism when it comes to authoritarianism or authority, generally.
	Two of the things that I've noticed and that I have experience of now is that even when we were first coming up on YouTube, we were doing stuff in 2015.
	By us, I mean me and Gareth over there, we're making like little videos talking about the news and in particular, like around the COVID time, The ascent on that platform was extraordinary.
	We just was growing and growing and growing and then we saw policies take place where they promoted deliberately and no doubt algorithmically what we would call legacy media news channels and stifled and choked independent news media.
	If there are relationships like you described that are monetary, that's one thing.
	Certainly there are ideological Um, correlatives and alliances that are even more playing.
	They are part of, like, YouTube are part of the legacy media now.
	They promote legacy media ideas, they have legacy media interest.
	There was a minute where demonopolization seemed likely, where there was a threat right out of Congress, like, we're gonna break up Facebook, we're gonna break up these guys.
	But now they have sets of contracts with Meta, they have contracts with Alphabet, they have contracts with Microsoft, and other tech entities that make it likely in, uh, They are, in a sense, has been an exchange.
	We won't break up your monopolies as long as you grant us back channel access.
	I think that's really likely.
	And then when it comes to, we all know that the reason that Big Pharma advertise so consistently and heavily on legacy media and corporate media channels, it's not just because they want us to know about their Viagra pills or their sleeping pills or whatever medications they're pushing, it's in order to operate and exert some control over those So when they have financial relationships, when they have contracts with the government, when they have contracts with vendors, what you start to get is beyond the monopoly, you have ultimately, I suppose, a system, an establishment.
	And when you're trying to crack your way into that, whether that's as a content creator or as a rival platform, you start to realize, oh my God, this is real power.
	It's very difficult to maneuver around.
	Yeah, think about that though.
	When YouTube started, well, if we go back to when YouTube actually started, they started on the backs of stolen content.
	So they grew their business off of people stealing content.
	You saw the Viacom lawsuits, the countless lawsuits they had for copyright infringement.
	So they had their first like a growth on a means that is very disingenuous and illegal
	by violating copyright.
	But their second phase was built on the backs of creators, people like yourself and just, you know,
	random creators creating content, creating their own shows, creating their own stuff.
	This is how Joe Rogan kind of became really big on the podcast thing.
	This is how you've blossomed as well.
	A lot of creators created their own shows.
	And then over time, they realized, you know, all these small creators that are now having huge voices
	are garnering such influence.
	They start now preferencing the big corporations.
	The corporations start demanding.
	Now you start to see CNN coming on, you start to see Fox News come on,
	and you start to see their video content appearing a lot more than the independent creators.
	So the independent voices start getting pushed aside.
	Now that marriage between both those corporate entities happens, they start promoting that.
	Now they move into YouTube TV and they start accelerating that.
	And they're walking away.
	They are essentially like preferencing, in my opinion, all these corporate entities and large entities,
	brands, et cetera, over the small crater.
	And that was the difference between YouTube 15 years ago and YouTube today.
	That transition seemed to happen in the last 10 years, 15 years, and it happened Slowly at first and then it really kind of accelerated in the last five to ten years I would say but like that that was the that's the the marriage between these partnerships and corporations that I think absolutely you know
	put back, it absolutely hindered the small creator from growing and becoming and taking over.
	They're doing everything they can to suppress the independent voice in my mind.
	And it's across all platforms. They loved that user-generated content at first, but then once
	the brands and once the corporations and once the corporate media started not liking that the content
	was being delivered by independent people, they put the pressure on and something changed.
	It's interesting that there appear to be these phases.
	The first phase, piracy.
	Piracy!
	It was piracy.
	YouTube was built all built most of its growth on piracy. That's how it
	started. It was the most disingenuous way to grow a video platform. And Rumble has had far more attacks
	by the corporate media for building it genuinely on just people giving their opinions about
	politics and COVID. And were the enemy?
	Think about that. They were creators...
	You had lawsuits, billion-dollar lawsuits, I think, hundreds of millions of dollars from Viacom, from music entities, all over the place in 2006.
	And Google came in and acquired them, provided that shield, negotiated with these companies.
	I forget the outcome of the Viacom lawsuit, but I think Google may have, I don't want to say because I don't remember the outcome, but there was, they had a big piracy problem, a massive piracy problem.
	That's how they, that's how they grew their users.
	All these, all this pirated content was then indexed in the Google search engine.
	Google was then feeding the traffic into this pirated content that they had no business in having.
	And that's how this platform grew.
	That was the early stages.
	This is like, most people know this.
	Well, maybe most people don't.
	It's extraordinary, isn't it?
	Because the corporate acquisition obviously equates to control.
	And one might imagine, and this is obviously pure conjecture, that when Google acquire YouTube and have to settle those lawsuits, they might have had conversations along the lines of, this is where media lives now.
	If you want to succeed in these new territories, You're going to require relationships with platforms like this.
	You're not going to be able to afford adversarial relationships with YouTube because we've been through Napster.
	We saw what happened to the music industry.
	The music industry falls in on itself and then they work out how do we tile over This wild terrain where anyone can start creating, where anyone can pipe out, utilize, or use piracy to convey anybody's content.
	They work out how do we control it.
	But when you're dealing with the information space as well as the entertainment space, the kind of deals that are made, particularly as you say with that important relationship between the search capacity of Google and the video provision of YouTube, you're into the reality business, I think.
	You're into controlling people's reality.
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	Think about the mouse trap that Google has created.
	And this is kind of where I diverge with Elon.
	He seems to pay a lot of attention to Apple.
	I feel that Google is far more evil than Apple.
	The mouse traps that Google has created, if you're an individual and you're seeking information, You're going to Google to seek that information.
	You're now typing in what you want to seek, and then Google will then provide you with what they believe.
	Well, essentially, the bag of goods that they sold us is that when you go to search, you're going to get a really good results that are independent, that are, you know, No bias in the results whatsoever, and it's going to be a free and fair search engine where you're basically going to be able to find anything you want.
	That's the bag of goods they sold us for the last, you know, several decades when they came out.
	You could find anything.
	You can go into bad places, you go into good places, and you can kind of discern what you think is good or bad.
	Um, what's happened here in the last few years, uh, I would say the last couple years more so, is that now you're going into Google search and they are basically creating an environment that preferences and biases for them.
	For example, when you went to search for the, when you went to search for the GOP debate, which the live stream, um, it was on rumble and it was exclusive to rumble.
	They didn't have us at the top.
	They didn't want you to find it.
	They did not put us at the top, even though we were the place that had it.
	It's very easy.
	They knew we were the place that had it, and they didn't put us at the top.
	They instead put something else there.
	I can't remember, but it was definitely some corporate media entity that wasn't playing.
	A corporate media entity that wasn't the exclusive livestream provider.
	Yeah, and I think that it was paid for.
	You had to pay for it on Fox and it was free on Rumble.
	So they're not only disadvantaging you as a platform, they're disadvantaging the audience as well.
	Is that not election interference?
	In some capacity, you're not allowing the constituents of your country to Find the GOP debate for the, you know, one of the two largest parties in the country.
	You're not making that easily accessible.
	That's, see, this is the problem.
	They have this mouse trap where they control the search and then when they then take you to, you know, let's say, You're always going to find a YouTube video when you're searching.
	It seems like every single time I type something in there, there's a YouTube video that falls in.
	Then it takes you to their next property, or it takes you to their Google Maps thing, or it takes it there.
	It's just staying in their funnel all the time, and they're capturing you, following you, what you do, and you're stuck in that funnel.
	They get to control that.
	They get to control what you see, what you're reading, what you're watching now, because they have this funnel.
	And that's one of the reasons why we have a lawsuit against them.
	It's very difficult for you to go and search something that's relevant and find Rumble near the top.
	It's very difficult.
	As soon as you create something that is viable, as soon as you create something that draws people, as soon as you create an audience, a community, then you become a threat.
	What the real fear for me is, is that when you have entities of an unfathomable, unimaginable, unprecedented size that are able to, I imagine, do deals either tacitly or explicitly with states where they're able to say, We control this many people's eyes.
	We control the way they search.
	We control the content they're watching.
	We can therefore control the outcome of elections.
	Their values are aligned with the corporate media.
	So whatever relationship the state has traditionally had with legacy media, it's pretty clear from the Twitter files that the state now enjoys With social media platforms, they have staff embedded, they have agents embedded, they have content that they want shut down, like the Hunter Biden laptop story, which is just recently, you know, Hunter Biden's been convicted of the gun charges.
	We're talking even like election interference is big enough, but we're talking about reality interference.
	We're talking about the entire, the ability to control people's entire understanding of international politics, of consumerism, of what products they use, what party to vote for.
	The advertising is where the initial revenue comes, because you can say, we've got this many data points on these people, we can direct them in all these ways.
	But in the end, it becomes more than that.
	It becomes politics and power.
	It becomes the politics of actual life, doesn't it?
	It's the control of people's consciousness.
	No, absolutely.
	That's exactly what it becomes.
	They're creating the reality for people now.
	They're creating perception, which turns into what people believe.
	And they're not allowing, these entities, a lot of them are not allowing people to seek information that otherwise opposes their opinions and views.
	And that's like...
	That's the craziest thing that we're at a point right now where the internet is like being it's like a tug of war right now to try to open it up for some people and trying to close it and control it for other people and where that goes I think is is pivotal.
	If we want to be in a free society, we need a free flow of information.
	We cannot give that up.
	The second we give that up, then all is lost, in my opinion.
	We have to defend that.
	That's the core value that we're defending.
	It's the core value that you're defending.
	It means everything.
	It means everything in terms of Any future events that we have and how our families are going to live in the future, it means everything.
	It's the most important thing.
	It's the most important fight that we have right now is to keep this internet free and open because otherwise corporate media will control it.
	Big tech will control it.
	And I'm sure more than half the people won't like the way they do it, and that's a problem.
	In my conversation with Mike Benz, I was very struck with the information that Serge Brin and Larry Page had their PhD funded by a CIA carve-out, in the same way that there are relationships between USAID and various other institutions and organizations, in the same way that we found out recently That there are CIA carve-outs that fund Ukrainian media that have said that me, Greenwald, and a bunch of other people, Schellenberger, are, you know, Putin apologists and Russian assets.
	You know, they're creating in Ukrainian language various pieces of content that are essentially propagandist and certainly untrue.
	I'm speaking personally about my relationship with Russia, for sure, and for certain.
	What fascinates me is how deep the relationships between the state and a private entity like Google may go when you have CIA carve-outs likely providing them with some funding right when they were still at Stanford, and when Google plainly were provided with technology in order to establish Google Maps, presumably in exchange for back-channel information.
	You're never going to get demonopolization regulation And it's unlikely, I wonder, I wonder how likely it is that you'll get justice when we're seeing now that the judiciary is likely deployed also as a sort of a weaponized entity rather than an arbiter of what's fair.
	Not to mention the various financial institutions that have to be engaged with in order to be a public company.
	What can, you know, happen to your share prices, the way that share prices can be tanked, the way that you can be prohibited from entering into certain markets.
	It seems like ultimately, if you are a renegade outlaw organisation, that rumble at this phase is, to a degree, and I think that's a good thing because free speech at the moment is something that's being maligned, marginalised and legislated against.
	How often do you find yourself confronted by either a judicial force or a financial force or a regulatory body that likely shares the same interests and has comparable relationships to the kind of relationships we've been describing with Google there?
	Well, we deal with governments at the various highest levels trying to censor creators on our platform.
	I'm sure you're aware.
	And we defend that vigorously and it's a core principle of ours.
	We deal with states as well.
	We've fought the Attorney General of the New York State on hate speech laws that they were trying to propose and we got it overturned and then it's now in appeal.
	They've appealed it now.
	So we've done it on the state level.
	We are in a new battle on the financial side, I think.
	No, not I think, it's fact.
	The most recent thing is that the London Stock Exchange, I believe, was,
	I forget the exact company, but I think it's the London Stock Exchange
	that owns or does the evaluations for companies that go into the Russell 3000 Index.
	No relation?
	Yeah, no relation to Russell Brand.
	I'd let you in!
	So the Russell 3000 index has a criteria in which they, you know, pick companies to go into the index.
	And then once you're in the index, it's very helpful to a company because then institutions then have to buy that stock and put them part of their funds, etc.
	So, you know, we've been trying to get into the, we should be in the Russell 3000 Index based on our, you know, the criteria that they allow companies in.
	And unfortunately, after trying to speak with them and talk with them and try to correct their mistake, that is a glaring mistake, they will not allow us in the Russell 3000 Index.
	What their motivation is behind that, I am unsure.
	But I can tell you that they are wrong, dead wrong.
	They are claiming that our float is only 13 million shares.
	That is not true.
	Dan Bongino himself, just himself, owns 16 million shares.
	So how is it possible that our float is only 13?
	Our SPAC owners that are, you know, that when we went public a few years ago,
	had 30 million shares.
	So just these two facts alone are run in the face of them saying
	that we have 13 million shares in our float, which they have a threshold of,
	you need to have over 5% and we're above that 5%.
	And they're trying to tell us that no, you're not, you only have 13 million shares, which I think is like less than a percent.
	So they're wrong, dead wrong.
	They're misleading investors of the Russell 3000 by saying that's the Russell 3000 because we belong there and they are finding every way in which they can keep us out of it.
	And that's another fight that we have to do that is unfair and is, in my eyes, in my view, is very malicious.
	It's so misleading to all their investors.
	They're claiming that it's the Russell 3000 index and this is the criteria and they're saying you don't belong in there when we fit the criteria.
	So, and they're coming up with some process way to say that we only have 13 million shares when it shows you right on the form that Dan Bongino has 16 million.
	So how could you even use the 13 million?
	Like, you know, it's wrong because Dan Bongino is not a director of our board.
	He's not part of management.
	Own 16 million.
	So, you know, these are these Stupid fights that we have to deal with all the time.
	Unfair fights.
	And it never ends.
	And it happens from government levels, happens on the financial levels, happens in state levels, happens with corporate media.
	It's every vector, every way.
	Yeah, it's the weaponization of bureaucracy.
	You can see how if you want to stifle, strangle and choke an entity that is in any way a threat, whether it's a financial threat or if it's an ideological threat.
	And in this case, it's probably both a threat to establishment institutions like Google, but also a platform that has made a commitment in countries like Brazil and France and Russia to continue to allow content to be on it in spite of what the state or Globalist interests might demand.
	I include globalist interests because obviously WHO are able to impose regulation on a platform like YouTube.
	It shows you, as you say Chris, that from every vector, even if you're not using overt tyranny, using bureaucracy, you can control financial institutions and financial progress.
	You can control the ability to compete through antitrust and monopolization.
	It just shows how Challenging and difficult it is and how real this sort of edifice of power is.
	I'm struck by this, Chris, because I've thought like that maybe 10 years ago, you know, people like entrepreneurs in the tech space were like, it's a tech entrepreneur.
	It was sort of seen as a kind of Celebrity, you know, like it was like a friendly thing, like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.
	Now, over time, these figures have become more controversial, loved or loathed, depending where you lie on the spectrum of various social ideals.
	But now you have sort of like gone straight in at the level where like many of your endeavors are criminalized.
	I remember when that stuff went down with me, they were saying that if you came into the UK, you might be arrested.
	It was like, it seems to me that Things are really really hotting up and I wonder if that's impeded your enjoyment of what must have been pretty exciting to like build a company and like to set up Rumble and to see it blow up and get big investment and suddenly you're running something that I'm presuming you start must have started pretty small.
	So has it taken the shine off of this?
	Can you tell us a little bit about how you founded Rumble and how you stay optimistic about it and whether or not it's become sort of somewhat tainted by the fact that it's near criminalized and continually attacked?
	Yeah, no.
	First off, I never thought I'd be in this type of fight.
	Never thought that The world would be where it is right now and I certainly didn't believe that I would be at the tip of the spear fighting for this.
	So yeah, you know, 10 years ago running a tech company was fun and not very political at all and kind of nice that way.
	And today it seems like every tech company is driving politics or doing something with politics and it's quite disgusting in my view.
	It should never have been and it should never have gone like this.
	Uh, but that's not to say I don't love what I do.
	I actually really love what I do and I have more purpose now than I ever have.
	And I really, when you're fighting for freedom and you're fighting for people's freedom, I don't know what else could be more rewarding.
	That's like the most rewarding thing to do.
	When you tell a government to say it when they come to you, and you know they're coming to you that's violating a human right, they're doing something wrong, and you're able to tell them, you know, get out of here.
	Like, that's a good feeling.
	And you feel like you're doing something really good.
	And, you know, I kind of You know, that gives me a lot of motivation in what I do because like I really enjoy fighting for that freedom and freedom for others and the ability for people to speak freely and authentically and I've always been the kind of the contrarian that never really trusted the news, you know, never really.
	I didn't really buy everything that I was being told.
	I was questioning things from, you know, childhood and on.
	So, you know, now coming to where we are right now, seeing that there is a lot of garbage, you know, half the conspiracies end up being true now.
	You know, it feels really good to be at the forefront of that and fighting for that.
	You know, would I pick to be here?
	You know, That's more of a complicated question.
	It'd be really nice to run a huge tech company and not be involved in politics, but at the same time, there's not many people to trust out there that are going to do it right.
	You see a lot of companies that fail.
	You wonder, why did Why did Jack Dorsey totally fail at, you know, standing up for free speech?
	Why did that happen?
	Why did Mark Zuckerberg fail at standing up for free speech?
	Why did all these guys just roll over?
	Why did they let the bureaucracy control them and roll over?
	Why did that happen?
	And, you know, I can never really understand that because for me, in my perspective, it's pretty easy to stand up for the right thing and stand up for basic human right, which is freedom of expression, free speech.
	The First Amendment of the U.S.
	Constitution.
	This is so easy in my mind.
	It's not hard.
	It's a pretty simple thing to do.
	But no one has been able to do it.
	And that's concerning.
	So, yeah.
	At the end of the day, I'm happy where I am.
	And I love leading this fight.
	I love fighting it.
	And it's for a great cause.
	But when I started, what is it, you know, on the internet over 25 years ago, 20 years ago, it was just to make websites and have fun doing it and make some money on the side.
	So it wasn't, you know, to be fighting for this cause, but where it's gone has been pretty phenomenal.
	And to take you back to answer your other question, like how it started is, uh, I've been in the space for, for 20, 25 years.
	Um, it was back in 2004, 2005, one of my really good friends, uh, owned, uh, one of the top 50 websites in video.
	And he sends me a message.
	I think it was in 2005.
	It was ICQ at the time or something like that, or MSN messenger.
	And he's like, Hey, Check these guys out.
	They're gonna end up dominating.
	I'm gonna end up folding because I'm spending half a million dollars a month on hosting and I was like How are you gonna fold and why are they gonna do well and that site was actually YouTube He's like they got unlimited money to host from Sequoia.
	So they're gonna end up being able to you know grow it. And I'm like, okay, so, you know, comes, you know,
	fast forward a couple of years, Google acquires YouTube, YouTube ends up, you know,
	dominating the video space.
	And then by 2010, I started to notice there was a lot of, a lot of people were starting to get disenfranchised with
	the, with YouTube.
	They started preferencing those big corporations, multi-channel networks, influencers.
	And it created this opportunity where Rumble can kind of enter the market to help the small creator.
	We were built on the premise of helping the small creator.
	So we started in 2013 to help that small creator because we felt like they were being deprioritized by the big incumbent platforms.
	Um, specifically YouTube, and we just wanted to bring the monetization and distribution had nothing to do with politics, you know, free speech was, you know, everyone was at this time was talking about free speech, like Jack Dorsey, the Reddit founders, like everybody free speech was like, so important.
	Net neutrality was a big thing, you know, if you remember that, like it.
	All the values that Rumble's fighting for today seemed to be everywhere when I started Rumble, so it wasn't that specific value.
	It was just about treating creators fairly, because you started to see the preferencing happen, and the selection process.
	Who were the kind of early content creators, when it was still just when free speech was more of a neutral issue, who were the people that were on Rumble first, before Rumble became more politicized?
	Just like, you know, I remember it was a police officer in a small town in Ontario that was filming awesome wildlife videos, viral videos of that nature.
	So we had all, we had, it was all viral videos, home-based content, people like, you know, friends and family, aunts and uncles that would just upload content, you know, Just the regular people that you see on social media.
	It's just they're contributing content and we're just helping them maximize the value of their content and giving them a fair shake, like treating everybody fairly and equally based on the terms and conditions that we had in 2013.
	And then what happens is that over the next six years, the goalposts start moving.
	Rumble didn't change.
	We didn't move.
	Our policies didn't move.
	We just stuck to the current policies that we had.
	And the other platforms started saying, you can't talk about this, you can't talk about that.
	And then we just had a rush of new users start coming into our platform.
	I get a call from, at the time, the ranking member of the US House Intel Committee, Congressman Devin Nunes.
	Who's now the CEO of Truth Social.
	He calls me and he just like he's like, hey, if I bring my content to Rumble and I search for my name, am I going to find it?
	And I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking under I'm under some kind of investigation by the House Intel Committee as a Canadian.
	And I'm like, of course.
	So he brings his content on.
	And then a few months later, Dan Bongino comes on and then everything kind of just explodes from there.
	And we just, you know, we take off.
	And it was, you know, It was simply just by being fair and not changing and moving the goalposts like the other platforms did.
	As you know, COVID came, as you know, the elections happened, and this created all kinds of issues for a lot of different creators.
	Unjustified issues, like things that shouldn't have happened.
	And these platforms just They thought they should happen.
	And just by being fair and just holding our ground the way everyone would have from Reddit to YouTube 15, 20 years ago, we succeeded.
	But they moved the goalposts.
	And they moved them so far.
	Like, it baffles my mind that, you know, most people don't realize how—well, I guess a lot of creators realize how much the goalposts move, but half the country still doesn't realize what happened in the last 10 years.
	It just, like, happened so fast, and they don't realize that, like, 10 years ago, this was, like, normal.
	And then, all of a sudden, it's like, you're the worst person in the world if you allow people to speak their mind.
	And as you can see, most of the time when people speak their mind, they have something good to say, and it's very helpful.
	But a lot of people don't think that, and the platforms certainly don't.
	The big ones.
	It's really weird how everything became politically charged, and it is strange that in such a short period of time, Politics became so toxic that you know you obviously this is the area that you're an expert and pioneering but even socially and culturally it felt like they are some people are conservative and right-wing some people are liberal and left-wing in the same family you sit around at Christmas dinner or Thanksgiving people air their grievances and differences
	Suddenly, these kind of ordinary political distinctions became sort of tarnished with a great deal of invective and a great deal of loathing that to be right-wing now was suddenly like, oh, you're not allowed to be right-wing.
	I'm feeling like they sort of snowballed pretty fast, Chris.
	And you're right that all of them social media platforms, it was normal that that was what it was built upon.
	Hey, everyone's got a voice now.
	Everyone can communicate.
	The marketplace of ideas is a real thing.
	And I suppose, I don't know if it's a problem of scale or what it was, whether or not Facebook became too powerful, whether or not Google became too powerful, but at some point a new mentality entered into it.
	Certainly the pandemic was a critical period, wasn't it, where we recognised that true information was being censored, that people that had valid scientific and medical perspectives were being censored and controlled, and yet somehow the perception still remains that the goodies are the people that have been Acting in this authoritarian, sensorial, surveilling way, and the baddies are the people that are going, well, let's just let people work it out and say what they want to say.
	It's a weird thing.
	It's like the opposite of what should be true.
	Didn't you grow up, you know, in the schoolyards and you could say whatever you want.
	We live in a free country.
	I remember people screaming that in the schoolyards when I was growing up.
	And now it's like you can't say whatever you want.
	Does that mean it's not a free country?
	I guess it does mean it's not a free country if you can't say whatever you want.
	Um, but like, that core idea growing up is, you know, is different now, I feel like, and that's not good.
	We, that core idea is a basic human right.
	It's a basic human right at the level of the United Nations.
	It's a basic human right at the level of the US Constitution.
	These are like, you can't, you can't pretend that this is bad.
	You can't say that free speech is bad.
	It's not.
	It's the only good thing.
	It's the most important thing that we have in order to make society better.
	There's nothing else that's going to allow society to progress in the way that free speech does.
	Free speech is the cornerstone of freedom.
	And without it, you know, we're in big trouble.
	So everything we can do to fight for it is what we need to do.
	When you have very powerful organizations like we've discussed earlier, institutions, gargantuan entities that can control entire realities for global populations, can curate what news feeds you see, can curate and control your perspective, no wonder the removal of free speech becomes integral because then they can control your entire perception and there is no opposition.
	You can't even stand on the sideline throwing dice.
	Correct.
	It preserves their monopolies.
	The idea of removing free speech and allowing people to authentically speak preserves the monopolies that they have.
	They are creating a moat that makes it impossible for anybody else to compete in that market.
	When they say, you know, You need to, by law, you need to moderate your social media platform and you can't have this and that and this and that.
	You need to invest in massive technology to do that.
	You need to invest in massive resources to do that.
	It allows them to create, to preserve their monopolistic power.
	And that's bad.
	We don't want any monopolies in our society.
	We want it to be a free market where people can freely express their opinions and ideas and them, these large corporations, they're incentivized to
	have rules that don't allow competition to emerge.
	So you have to look at it in different lenses sometimes to understand what the motivations
	could be.
	But in a lot of cases, let's say we're talking social media like Facebook and stuff like
	It's very difficult to replicate a Facebook if you have to have thousands upon thousands of people moderating content and hire thousands of thousands of people to do that.
	Or invest in AI technologies that, you know, require enormous amount of hardware costs and compute costs.
	These are barriers to entry in the market.
	They're trying to add barriers so that no one can do what they're doing.
	And this is why we can't allow that to happen.
	Yeah, what George Carlin says is, when interests converge, conspiracy isn't necessary.
	So that benefits groups like Facebook, Google, et cetera, because it prevents the barriers that you've just described.
	And it benefits the state because it allows and facilitates the ability for censorship, for surveillance, and for control.
	Correct.
	So there's a complete line.
	So it's like, in a sense, the COVID period, it generated Possibility is an opportunity to legitimise regulation, to create a cashless society, to justify censorship, to justify new credit score systems.
	If so many interests were able to coalesce around it, that we could watch in real time how power operates.
	Hold on a minute, they're trying to shut down free speech.
	They're saying they're helping us and they're actually controlling it, like it all unfolded.
	It was amazing, wasn't it?
	at the expense of everyone else. Yeah, all the time. Always at the expense and all right,
	always, they're always saying that they're benefiting you, that they care about your safety
	when always that is at the expense of freedom and it grants them further authority. Now, Chris,
	before we go over to locals, these are the questions that I'm pretty excited to ask you.
	There's probably one Rumble creator that people are more familiar with than any other.
	He is the self-proclaimed most famous man in the world, he said at certain times.
	This person is probably the most, certainly the most controversial man in the world.
	I'm not talking about Donald Trump.
	I'm talking about a man who is facing a series of litigations, a man who's become very controversial on the world stage, but that you believe, Chris, is a genius.
	Now, to help us understand that, we're going to have to look at a very unique take On a very, very famous Rumble creator.
	To watch the answer to that question, click the link in the description for one month free.
	With this special code offer, you get one month free on local.
	So, what is it about Andrew Tate that you consider makes him a genius?
	Click the link in the description and join us over there.
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